From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct  1 00:31:10 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:31:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] This is weird - what's the cause?
In-Reply-To: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIIEFKHBAB.kathryn@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <3F7AF33E.14003.19E6DAF@localhost>

On 30 Sep 2003 at 20:33, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> The A2K race database is zipped and available at:
> http://ac100.com/finish/2003Ac100.zip
> It's been brought to my attention that runner with bib #69 doesn't show up on either Most Current Times (Bib Order) or on Most Current Times (Who's Ahead). Both of those use qryProgressReport which is based on calculations from some of the others.
>  
> qryRunnerTimes1A and qryRunnerTimes2 and qryRunnerTimes2A and qryRunnerTimes3 all show runner with bib 69, but qryProgressReport dumps that bib number. I never noticed it myself, but someone tracking the runner called it to my attention when asking why he wasn't on website.
> 
> So, what causes him to get dumped from the list?
> 

Record 16747 in tblRunnersTimes has no RT-IDCP.
That is the linking record for Runner 69 through  qryRunner2A.
You have an inner join on RT-IDCP and tblCheckpoint in 
qryProgressReport.








  
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 01:17:13 2003
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 01:17:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This is weird - what's the cause?
References: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIIEFKHBAB.kathryn@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c387e3$a77710f0$15ba5041@hive>

Kathryn,

It might not the answer to why its not populated but its the cause: #69 is
missing because of of a nonmatch in the join for LINK. Look at row 16747 in
tblRunnerTimes, which is missing an entry in RT-IDCP. It's the only one like
that in the table, and when its populated 69 appears in qryProgressReport.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "dbAdvisors (AccessD)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: [AccessD] This is weird - what's the cause?


> The A2K race database is zipped and available at:
> http://ac100.com/finish/2003Ac100.zip
> It's been brought to my attention that runner with bib #69 doesn't show up
on either Most Current Times (Bib Order) or on Most Current Times (Who's
Ahead). Both of those use qryProgressReport which is based on calculations
from some of the others.
>
> qryRunnerTimes1A and qryRunnerTimes2 and qryRunnerTimes2A and
qryRunnerTimes3 all show runner with bib 69, but qryProgressReport dumps
that bib number. I never noticed it myself, but someone tracking the runner
called it to my attention when asking why he wasn't on website.
>
> So, what causes him to get dumped from the list?
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  1 01:34:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:34:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Info Interesting use of InfoPath
References: <3F7AF33E.14003.19E6DAF@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F7A7578.9000007@shaw.ca>

If you were wondering about uses for InfoPath.
Rather than use Access to link to a webservice. This method with 
InfoPath allows a user to quickly link to a webservice via XML with no 
coding. The webservice could be a ASP.Net hook to an old Cobol legacy 
app to edit or add data..
Dynamically Data-bind in InfoPath By Thiru Thangarathinam
http://www.developer.com/net/article.php/3082431


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 03:10:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:10:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
In-Reply-To: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFICLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
Message-ID: <00da01c387f3$8b473c10$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Talk of walking away is fine if you have someone else to walk to. If you
have a choice, say, of this client or going out of business then you
have to carry on.

We had a client who wanted to do this and we managed to talk them out of
the penalty clause thing. Don't try to impose one on them (they won't
agree) but instead explain that it's not in THEIR best interest. It goes
like this:

With a penalty clause in place you will be forced to turn down ALL
change requests. Financially you will HAVE to do what is in the spec
(which they will have to agree and sign up for before the clock starts
ticking of course) and not a jot more. Add this field? No, sorry. Knock
up an extra report? No chance. Say that while normally there would be
some latitude to be flexible in this case you won't be able to. You will
bring it in on-time, sure, and they'll be pleased about that, but will
they get just what they want? Your experience (and everyone else's)
shows that when a customer sees a system, or just a screen, the first
thing he wants to do is ask for this or that to change. With financial
penalties in the frame this will not be an option. And spell that out in
the contract. And if something works as per spec but is not what they
imagined - tough.

It might scare them off the idea. It did ours.

If it doesn't work then the other question is, of course, can you do it
in the time? Do you have people working on it who will bust a gut to
make sure you're inside the time limit?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hadyn Morgan
> Sent: 01 October 2003 05:39
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec. 
>  We have spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost.  
> It is based on a web application that was built and paid for 
> on an hourly basis, because again they did not want to pay 
> for a spec.  ~40% of the cost of it could have been avoided 
> on the stuff they requested then changed their minds about.
> 
> They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to 
> date), and I would like to keep them as a client.  Then again 
> I don't want to be royally screwed either :(
> 
> Hadyn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Hawkins
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 
> 1999 be damned.
> 
> IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses 
> before defining what it is the developer is supposed to be 
> developing is a client looking to screw a developer and get 
> something for nothing. This is a HUGE red flag.
> 
> -Christopher-
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: Developer at ultradnt.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400
> 
> >Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk 
> away from a
> >client like this?
> >
> >BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
> >contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I 
> can't get 
> >out of it, a little networking)
> >
> >Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
> >
> >As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in 
> writing ... I 
> >have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old 
> system's data
> >because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
> >and
> >they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
> >...
> >This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
> >keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
> >... As
> >long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though,
> >since
> >they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
> >stops"
> >when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
> >whatever.
> >Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
> >you
> >could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
> >the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
> >this
> >contract", for example).
> >
> >Hth,
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hadyn Morgan
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
> >To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> >
> >
> >When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that 
> has said 
> >'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the 
> quote, and
> >now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
> >deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
> >project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
> >late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
> >have
> >suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
> >allowed
> >to charge them for the extra time.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Kind regards
> >Hadyn
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  1 03:04:23 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:04:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
In-Reply-To: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
References: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>

Hi Hadyn

This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
its own has some value though not being an agreement.

I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as
these are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or
the client carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.

Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3%
or 8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the
specs (do include a list of these in the final agreement) should
release this penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling
errors in menu items and the like. 

Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
what is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the
same amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of,
say, one week per approval after which your app will be regarded as
approved whether the client has signed or not.

/gustav


> When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 'Yes'
> to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and now wants
> to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't deliver on time
> to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of project) they reduce total
> payment by 8% for each full week we are late).  I have managed to get them
> to exclude Acts of God etc, and have suggested that if they are to blame for
> the delay we should be allowed to charge them for the extra time.

> Any thoughts?

> Kind regards
> Hadyn


From sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct  1 04:39:21 2003
From: sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:39:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
	<1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002f01c387ff$e5291170$6501a8c0@user>

Great advice from Gustav and Andy - with this client I think the spec is going to be an absolute must.....without it, how will you agree that the system (as commissioned) has been delivered? It's going to be as much for you as them - they could keep coming back to you otherwise and that could prove very costly if you have a penalty clause. (and 8% sounds way too high.....)

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


  Hi Hadyn

  This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
  its own has some value though not being an agreement.

  I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as
  these are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or
  the client carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.

  Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
  avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
  about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3%
  or 8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the
  specs (do include a list of these in the final agreement) should
  release this penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling
  errors in menu items and the like. 

  Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
  approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
  the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
  what is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the
  same amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of,
  say, one week per approval after which your app will be regarded as
  approved whether the client has signed or not.

  /gustav


  > When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 'Yes'
  > to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and now wants
  > to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't deliver on time
  > to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of project) they reduce total
  > payment by 8% for each full week we are late).  I have managed to get them
  > to exclude Acts of God etc, and have suggested that if they are to blame for
  > the delay we should be allowed to charge them for the extra time.

  > Any thoughts?

  > Kind regards
  > Hadyn

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From sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct  1 04:50:27 2003
From: sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:50:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: 	<DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz><1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>
	<002f01c387ff$e5291170$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <001e01c38801$71cdbf80$6501a8c0@user>

Haydn, and if the time spent in coming up with a proper spec is going to make the whole thing unprofitable for you, I would at least consider doing:

a) - Lists of fields to be stored    
b) - Sample screen designs (even if it's just in pen - but better if mocked up electronically)
c) - Sample report designs.

d) Make sure that the criteria and sorts / filters for reports are mentioned. (eg. this report will be able to be run for a) one client or b) all clients, and will be sorted (ascending) by client surname.

e) Same for forms if applicable and if filters are to be used, explain how they will work and how they can be reset etc.

f) Any processing (eg. input or output processes / links to external systems / files) should be detailed if applic.

Once the client sees this and are asked to sign off the designs then they will have a very good idea of their commitment to you and may even ask for a more detailed spec.

HTH
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kath Pelletti 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


  Great advice from Gustav and Andy - with this client I think the spec is going to be an absolute must.....without it, how will you agree that the system (as commissioned) has been delivered? It's going to be as much for you as them - they could keep coming back to you otherwise and that could prove very costly if you have a penalty clause. (and 8% sounds way too high.....)

  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gustav Brock 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


    Hi Hadyn

    This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
    its own has some value though not being an agreement.

    I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as
    these are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or
    the client carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.

    Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
    avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
    about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3%
    or 8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the
    specs (do include a list of these in the final agreement) should
    release this penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling
    errors in menu items and the like. 

    Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
    approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
    the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
    what is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the
    same amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of,
    say, one week per approval after which your app will be regarded as
    approved whether the client has signed or not.

    /gustav


    > When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 'Yes'
    > to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and now wants
    > to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't deliver on time
    > to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of project) they reduce total
    > payment by 8% for each full week we are late).  I have managed to get them
    > to exclude Acts of God etc, and have suggested that if they are to blame for
    > the delay we should be allowed to charge them for the extra time.

    > Any thoughts?

    > Kind regards
    > Hadyn

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    AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct  1 04:54:16 2003
From: sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:54:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
Message-ID: <003c01c38801$f9cef2a0$6501a8c0@user>

I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com addressed to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD] Project Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as spam.

Is everyone getting this?


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  1 04:58:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:58:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Pull Most Recent
In-Reply-To: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FD20@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
References:  <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FD20@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <8411758037.20031001115831@cactus.dk>

Hi Gowey

On a more serious note, here is a function taking advantage of the
nice ParamArray feature. It can be used for any (reasonable) amount
(including zero) input values:

<code>

Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date

' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
' array avarDates().
' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
'
' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Return value for an empty array.
  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
  
  Dim varDate     As Variant
  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
    
  For Each varDate In avarDates()
    If IsDate(varDate) Then
      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
        varDate = CDate(varDate)
      End If
      If varDate > varDateMax Then
        varDateMax = varDate
      End If
    End If
  Next
  
  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
  End If
  
  DateMax = varDateMax
  
End Function

</code>

For your display textbox, use

  =DateMax(Me!txtBox1, Me!txtBox2, ... , Me!txtBox6)
  
/gustav


>         This is probably an easy one but I am stumped...
         
>         I have 6 fields within my table that have dates in them, how can
> I pull and display on a form which field has the most recent date in it?


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 05:12:36 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:12:36 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C648F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

not me

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 10:54
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam


I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>  addressed to
postman at afsweb.com <mailto:postman at afsweb.com>   re (Archive Copy) Re:
[AccessD] Project Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as
spam.
 
Is everyone getting this?
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au <mailto:sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au> 

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Oct  1 05:26:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:26:06 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29620@nnse14.nns.com>

Robert,

Not sure exactly what you were looking for.  A search on MSDN turned up this
(watch for wrap):

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaxctrl/ht
ml/msdn_firstax.asp

...but the title reads "Microsoft(r) Internet Explorer WebControls are not
currently supported.".


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


Hoooowdy All,

A2K

Where might I find information about properties and such

Are there any examples around?

Thanks.....
Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 05:31:11 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:31:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C648F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00f701c38807$222a4510$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Nor me. Which of us have they fingered as a spammer? I plead not guilty
m'lud.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: 01 October 2003 11:13
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Messages re spam


not me

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 10:54
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam


I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
addressed to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD] Project
Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as spam.
 
Is everyone getting this?
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 06:04:39 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:04:39 +0100 
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6494@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Forwarded message due to auto-discard. I don't know why it would have been
discarded...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Robert at servicexp.com] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 11:22
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


Drew, 
 The last copy I have is from April 2001, and I can't seem to find anything
on it in this version. However I'm not exactly sure what key words to use.. 
 
Any ideas!!
 
Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com> 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


Do you have the MSDN?  It's explained in there.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


Hoooowdy All,
 
A2K
 
Where might I find information about properties and such
 
Are there any examples around?
 
Thanks.....
Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com> 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct  1 06:46:05 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:46:05 +1000
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6494@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F7B4B1D.11883.2F5AEB8@localhost>

> 
> Drew, 
>  The last copy I have is from April 2001, and I can't seem to find anything
> on it in this version. However I'm not exactly sure what key words to use.. 
>  
> Any ideas!!
>  
> Robert Gracie
> www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com> 
>  

Try searching on "webbrowser" 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 06:53:39 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:53:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227271@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <006801c38813$84098b40$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Well, right now, I just don't have any place to put another screen, even a
flat one -- without seriously reworking my office layout. I have a corner
desk and I keep books and files and etc. on either side of me. It would be a
real nuisance for no more than I would use it. But, I admit, it is an
intriguing idea. I want another desk just like this one put beside it -- and
then, it might be possible.

Oh Bill................ ;)

Susan H.


> Buy another video card, and a flat screen.  <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] form on top question
>
>
> Sounds like an interesting solution, but would require a major overhaul
for
> me here -- my office just isn't set up that way. I wouldn't know how to
> implement it anyway -- but sounds cool. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > I use two monitors.
> > One for the form - one for the code.  I can then effectively change the
> code
> > while the form is open.  I can also copy/cut and paste from two separate
> > documents.  Web page, Word, Excel or even two code windows from Access.
> >
>
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 06:55:09 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:55:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222726C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c38813$87854480$220110ac@SUSANONE>

I'll take a look -- thank you Drew. Smells like an article to me. :)

Susan H.


> Susan, I just sent you (off list) an Access 97 database that does what you
> want.  There's a form and a module involved (don't really need the module,
> you could put all of the code on the form, just got lazy and used a module
> from the old version of the MiniCalendar).



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 06:56:45 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:56:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFICLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
Message-ID: <007001c38813$8af2a5e0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

> They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
would
> like to keep them as a client.  Then again I don't want to be royally
> screwed either :(

=========OK, then you've done business with them before and I gather this is
the first time you've had either problem -- with both the specs and the
penalty clause. Any idea what's put that bee in their bonnet?

Although I like Andy's idea -- genius. :)

Susan H.


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  1 09:12:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:12:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
In-Reply-To: <003c01c38801$f9cef2a0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEOMFBAA.john@winhaven.net>

Kathy,
A similr thing happened to me a few years ago. I was having client mail show
up with "SPAM" in the subject. It took awhile but I found out my ISP was
beginning a free(and mandatory) SPAM filtering service and had failed to
mention it to anyone! You might want to check with your ISP/Mail Server
Administrator (whichever you have).

HTH
John B.

"SPAM Filtering is an exact guess - not an exact science"
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:54 AM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam


  I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com addressed
to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD] Project Official
Startsaying that a message has been identified as spam.

  Is everyone getting this?


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 09:24:34 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:24:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <Law12-F47C4wgKuu8FZ000037a7@hotmail.com>

I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last attempt. 
None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has been 
...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can anyone 
provide me the command line for the decompile?
Thanks as always,
_D


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
Elliker

_________________________________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  1 09:12:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:12:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
In-Reply-To: <003c01c38801$f9cef2a0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEOMFBAA.john@winhaven.net>

Kathy,
A similr thing happened to me a few years ago. I was having client mail show
up with "SPAM" in the subject. It took awhile but I found out my ISP was
beginning a free(and mandatory) SPAM filtering service and had failed to
mention it to anyone! You might want to check with your ISP/Mail Server
Administrator (whichever you have).

HTH
John B.

"SPAM Filtering is an exact guess - not an exact science"
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:54 AM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam


  I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com addressed
to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD] Project Official
Startsaying that a message has been identified as spam.

  Is everyone getting this?


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Wed Oct  1 09:32:35 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:32:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48026B1DEF@NEWMAN_EXC>

It should just be the {database path} /decompile.

I use the {full path to the executable} {database path} /decompile

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K

I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last attempt. 
None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has been 
...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can anyone 
provide me the command line for the decompile?
Thanks as always,
_D


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
Elliker

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  1 10:15:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:15:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631232D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

For Access to process a command line switch like /decompile, you must
include the path to the Access executable in the shortcut.  Here's a
typical shortcut I have in my SendTo folder so it's available from the
shortcut menu:

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE" "%1"
/decompile

That allows me to specify the database to be decompiled on the fly.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K


It should just be the {database path} /decompile.

I use the {full path to the executable} {database path} /decompile

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K

I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last
attempt. 
None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has
been 
...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can
anyone 
provide me the command line for the decompile?
Thanks as always,
_D


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
Elliker

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From tomadatn at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 10:15:51 2003
From: tomadatn at bellsouth.net (Tom)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:15:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
	<1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001f01c3882e$e6e8b770$a0cdfea9@AdamsXP1>

Just say no.  However if you can't ...

>if the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
>what is missing according to the specs

This is a big - big deal here.  Your having to go back to the specs and
rethink everything is a bummer - time waster - and a crock.

I usually ask for this each step of the way - as I stage my projects.
I define what's released and ready for them to test each step of
the way - they have 1 week to test and submit a list of problems.

I'm usually lenient on letting them add stuff until the final submission.
Then
their list becomes IT!!!! and I work through all the items.

Be sure to mark new and revised requirements as such and put on a change
order that is outside the cost and time deadline.

Document each step thoroughly and keep 3 1/2 copies at least.

Also make sure you're getting paid in stages.

After all this, they will still try to screw you.  Be afraid.  Be very
afraid.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


> Hi Hadyn
>
> This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
> its own has some value though not being an agreement.
>
> I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as
> these are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or
> the client carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.
>
> Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
> avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
> about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3%
> or 8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the
> specs (do include a list of these in the final agreement) should
> release this penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling
> errors in menu items and the like.
>
> Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
> approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
> the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
> what is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the
> same amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of,
> say, one week per approval after which your app will be regarded as
> approved whether the client has signed or not.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said
'Yes'
> > to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and now
wants
> > to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't deliver on
time
> > to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of project) they reduce
total
> > payment by 8% for each full week we are late).  I have managed to get
them
> > to exclude Acts of God etc, and have suggested that if they are to blame
for
> > the delay we should be allowed to charge them for the extra time.
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> > Kind regards
> > Hadyn
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Oct  1 10:30:16 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:30:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F654@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Let's not forget the registry tweak that adds Compact and Decompile options on right-click of an mdb.  Available on Dev Ashish's site at http://www.mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm.  Look for Access Reg.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K


For Access to process a command line switch like /decompile, you must
include the path to the Access executable in the shortcut.  Here's a
typical shortcut I have in my SendTo folder so it's available from the
shortcut menu:

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE" "%1"
/decompile

That allows me to specify the database to be decompiled on the fly.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K


It should just be the {database path} /decompile.

I use the {full path to the executable} {database path} /decompile

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K

I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last
attempt. 
None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has
been 
...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can
anyone 
provide me the command line for the decompile?
Thanks as always,
_D


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
Elliker

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct  1 11:21:47 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:21:47 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227286@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, let me know how it goes.  Also, if you aren't using Access 97, let me
know, I'll see what works in 2000.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/1/03 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] form on top question

I'll take a look -- thank you Drew. Smells like an article to me. :)

Susan H.


> Susan, I just sent you (off list) an Access 97 database that does what
you
> want.  There's a form and a module involved (don't really need the
module,
> you could put all of the code on the form, just got lazy and used a
module
> from the old version of the MiniCalendar).


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  1 11:22:57 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:22:57 -0700
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
References: <3F7B4B1D.11883.2F5AEB8@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F7AFF61.3040800@shaw.ca>

http://www.microsoft.com/officedev/index/webbrows.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/AccessDev/Articles/SolFrm97.htm#PROGRAMMINGTHEWEBBROWSERACTIVEX
Or you should have a sample mdb with the Access install called 
solutions.mdb with webbrowser control form samples.
Unhide the database window and look for forms starting with Web if you 
go through the splash form selection it does a check for IE4.0
to install solutions if you cant find it
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/bapp2000/html/mdbdownload.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;165212


Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>>Drew, 
>> The last copy I have is from April 2001, and I can't seem to find anything
>>on it in this version. However I'm not exactly sure what key words to use.. 
>> 
>>Any ideas!!
>> 
>>Robert Gracie
>>www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com> 
>> 
>>    
>>
>
>Try searching on "webbrowser" 
>  
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 13:37:18 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:37:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <00e601c3884b$0b1cd6f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct  1 14:24:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:24:54 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222728E@main2.marlow.com>

Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If
MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then
have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Dear List:
 
I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to
run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying
"Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's
something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes
up.
 
What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key -
which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying
"Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to
continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Wed Oct  1 17:29:45 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:29:45 -0400
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
In-Reply-To: <3F7AFF61.3040800@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEAADEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>



A big thanks to everyone!!

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


http://www.microsoft.com/officedev/index/webbrows.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/AccessDev/Articles/SolFrm97.htm#PROGRAMMINGTHEWEBBR
OWSERACTIVEX
Or you should have a sample mdb with the Access install called
solutions.mdb with webbrowser control form samples.
Unhide the database window and look for forms starting with Web if you
go through the splash form selection it does a check for IE4.0
to install solutions if you cant find it
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/bapp2000/ht
ml/mdbdownload.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;165212


Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>>Drew,
>> The last copy I have is from April 2001, and I can't seem to find
anything
>>on it in this version. However I'm not exactly sure what key words to
use..
>>
>>Any ideas!!
>>
>>Robert Gracie
>>www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Try searching on "webbrowser"
>
>


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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Wed Oct  1 17:29:56 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:29:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE1@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

I have a ACC2002 db that opens many forms and queries etc. I don't believe I am anywhere near the 2048 max table references.
It's a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of it's open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs). I can happily click on a couple of the tabs and everything is fine. As soon as I click on one of the last tabs which contain 3 subforms I get the dreaded "Can't open any more databases" message.

I have read a lot of posts on this (incl. www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm) and have thoroughly checked my code to ensure that all my recordset objects are closed after use. I temporarily rectified it by closing the calling form (Form A) instead of hiding it, thus closing some of the table references. Form B works perfectly now. I only get the error if too many forms are open which have obviously opened too many table references. The drawback is that it is slow to open Form B because it is closing Form A and when I close Form B, I have to wait for it to re-open Form A again and filter to the record the user was working on before they clicked the button to take then to Form B.

My question: Is there anything else that I could do that I may not have considered? I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open at any instant (knowing that it's a split database let's double that to 160 references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of 2048. I believe it is a hardcoded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the wrong tree completely?

Cheers in advance for any assistance or advice.
David ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 17:38:19 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:38:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
References: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE1@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <003701c3886c$b75bfb50$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Can't open any more databasesThe one time I ran into this, I ended up redoing my form to get rid of the subforms -- never did find the culprit. I was told it could be resolved with a simple switch on the Novell server (which did seem to be the culprit) -- but IT refused. 

Susan H. 

It's a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of it's open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs). I can happily click on a couple of the tabs and everything is fine. As soon as I click on one of the last tabs which contain 3 subforms I get the dreaded "Can't open any more databases" message.

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:27:04 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:27:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <BAY1-F22tDnYWPidlML00004911@hotmail.com>

msaccess.exe /decompile "c:\database_name.mdb"


>From: "Don Elliker" <delliker at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
>Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:24:34 -0400
>
>I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last attempt. 
>None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has been 
>...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can anyone 
>provide me the command line for the decompile?
>Thanks as always,
>_D
>
>
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
>Elliker
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct  1 18:30:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:30:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE1@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at
least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos,
lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran
into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on the
tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on and
unload them as the next tab is clicked on.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:30 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


  I have a ACC2002 db that opens many forms and queries etc. I don?t believe
I am anywhere near the 2048 max table references.

  It?s a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab
control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking
on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of
it?s open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and
a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs). I can happily click on a couple of
the tabs and everything is fine. As soon as I click on one of the last tabs
which contain 3 subforms I get the dreaded ?Can?t open any more databases?
message.

  I have read a lot of posts on this (incl.
www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm) and have thoroughly checked my code
to ensure that all my recordset objects are closed after use. I temporarily
rectified it by closing the calling form (Form A) instead of hiding it, thus
closing some of the table references. Form B works perfectly now. I only get
the error if too many forms are open which have obviously opened too many
table references. The drawback is that it is slow to open Form B because it
is closing Form A and when I close Form B, I have to wait for it to re-open
Form A again and filter to the record the user was working on before they
clicked the button to take then to Form B.

  My question: Is there anything else that I could do that I may not have
considered? I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open
at any instant (knowing that it?s a split database let?s double that to 160
references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table
references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of
2048. I believe it is a hardcoded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the
wrong tree completely?

  Cheers in advance for any assistance or advice.
  David ????
  Brisbane

  Australia

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 19:16:26 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:16:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222728E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <01c801c3887a$6bb7a150$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the hotkey?

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    Dear List:

    I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

    What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

    MTIA,

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software



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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  1 21:01:34 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:01:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
In-Reply-To: <003c01c38801$f9cef2a0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <3F7B4EBE.15962.1A161F8@localhost>

On 1 Oct 2003 at 19:54, Kath Pelletti wrote:

> I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> addressed to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD]
> Project Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as
> spam.
> 
> Is everyone getting this?

I'm not getting this either.

If you still have the e-mail and could forward it directly to me, 
making sure the complete set of internet headers are intact, I will 
look into it.

You can send it to carbonnb at sympatico.ca

--
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Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never 
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From demulling at centurytel.net  Wed Oct  1 21:56:56 2003
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:56:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <00e601c3884b$0b1cd6f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002901c38890$d8826c00$38c4e6cf@bedroom>

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0030.htm
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  Dear List:

  I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

  What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 23:20:25 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:20:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <00e601c3884b$0b1cd6f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<002901c38890$d8826c00$38c4e6cf@bedroom>
Message-ID: <024f01c3889c$80cdc2f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Aha!  That works perfectly.  I  made the declare Public in a module so that it would work for all of the reports.

Many thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Demulling 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0030.htm
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    Dear List:

    I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

    What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

    MTIA,

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software



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From demulling at centurytel.net  Wed Oct  1 23:34:57 2003
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:34:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: 	<00e601c3884b$0b1cd6f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002><002901c38890$d8826c00$38c4e6cf@bedroom>
	<024f01c3889c$80cdc2f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002501c3889e$89959dc0$c9cbe6cf@bedroom>

No problem, about time I gave something back to a list that has helped me out so much.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  Aha!  That works perfectly.  I  made the declare Public in a module so that it would work for all of the reports.

  Many thanks and regards,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Demulling 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:56 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0030.htm
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


      Dear List:

      I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

      What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

      MTIA,

      Rocky Smolin
      Beach Access Software



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From sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  2 01:47:54 2003
From: sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:47:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
References: <3F7B4EBE.15962.1A161F8@localhost>
Message-ID: <001b01c388b1$1b8425a0$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks Bryan - it looks like it was only me - I got two but haven't kept them.

If they re-appear then I will forward one on to you.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bryan Carbonnell 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Messages re spam


  On 1 Oct 2003 at 19:54, Kath Pelletti wrote:

  > I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > addressed to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD]
  > Project Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as
  > spam.
  > 
  > Is everyone getting this?

  I'm not getting this either.

  If you still have the e-mail and could forward it directly to me, 
  making sure the complete set of internet headers are intact, I will 
  look into it.

  You can send it to carbonnb at sympatico.ca

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  2 01:56:37 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:56:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEAEFCAA.john@winhaven.net>

Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference is it going
to make if I declare this:
Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
versus this:
Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Oct  2 01:25:57 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:25:57 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Clipper
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088474@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Well, much ado about nothing - they got it sorted before I could get there.  
 
Thanks for the input all.
 
Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond 
Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 9:04 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Clipper



Thanks Andy and Arthur - probably later this week after I've been to have a look-see. 

Stephen Bond 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller [ mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2003 6:12 a.m. 
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Clipper 


I wrote two books about Clipper, and am close friends with its original 
author. I can probably tell you anything you need to know. 

Your dBASE skills will port to the extent that the authors of the system 
did not exploit Clipper-specific language. By version 5 Clipper was a 
lot different than dBASE, with OOP constructs, UDFs and a lot more. 

As for fixing the indexes, that depends on the RDD that was used. 
(Replaceable Database Driver). You can discover this by looking at the 
#include files. In most cases, you could write a simple program that 
walks through the list of tables and recreates the indexes, but that 
assumes that you know which columns were indexed. 

Let me know if you need further assistance. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[ mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:40 PM 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Clipper 


I have had a request to look at a Clipper system where (apparently) the 
indexes have become corrupted.  The prospective client is a distance 
away and I want to evaluate my chances of succeeding before I travel. 

I did a lot of dBaseIII / IV  stuff quite a few years ago, but nothing 
in Clipper.  Back in those days, I had the impression that dBase and 
Clipper were very similar, and with Clipper you could 'compile' the 
processing module(s). 

Can someone tell me how well my dBase skills will port to Clipper?  And 
if it's a 'compiled' system, is the source held separately?  And are the 
indexes in Clipper like the indexes in dBase which are easy to 
re-construct? 

Any middle-aged fellow travellers out there who can help?  Tips, Tricks, 
Traps? 

Cheers 

Stephen 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct  2 04:39:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:39:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEAEFCAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3F7C7EE6.24982.2968C7B@localhost>

On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:

> Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference is it going
> to make if I declare this:
> Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> versus this:
> Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> 

If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant 
with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.

How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the 
constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare 
all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its 
purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.







 
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  2 05:45:54 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:45:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE1@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEECMHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Can't open any more databasesDavid,

<<I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open at any
instant (knowing that it?s a split database let?s double that to 160
references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table
references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of
2048. I believe it is a hardcoded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the
wrong tree completely?>>

  Yes but "table references" is probably not what you think it is.  Not only
does it mean every open table, but it also applies to every field reference
(which is in of itself a table reference).  It can add up a lot quicker then
you think, especially with multiple subforms.

<<It?s a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab
control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking
on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of
it?s open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and
a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs).>>

  From what you describe, it certainly sounds like you are bumping into the
limit. And yes, the bad news is that the limit is internal to Access and
cannot be modified.  Your only choice is to reduce the complexity of what's
going on.

  The other then that Susan mentioned is in regards to locks.  It is
possible that you are running out of locks and therefore cannot open another
database because you can't place a user lock.  This applies only to Novell
environments.  To test this out, place both the FE and BE on the same
station and try the operation again.  If the error still occurs, then it's
not related to locking.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:30 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


  I have a ACC2002 db that opens many forms and queries etc. I don?t believe
I am anywhere near the 2048 max table references.

  It?s a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab
control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking
on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of
it?s open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and
a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs). I can happily click on a couple of
the tabs and everything is fine. As soon as I click on one of the last tabs
which contain 3 subforms I get the dreaded ?Can?t open any more databases?
message.

  I have read a lot of posts on this (incl.
www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm) and have thoroughly checked my code
to ensure that all my recordset objects are closed after use. I temporarily
rectified it by closing the calling form (Form A) instead of hiding it, thus
closing some of the table references. Form B works perfectly now. I only get
the error if too many forms are open which have obviously opened too many
table references. The drawback is that it is slow to open Form B because it
is closing Form A and when I close Form B, I have to wait for it to re-open
Form A again and filter to the record the user was working on before they
clicked the button to take then to Form B.

  My question: Is there anything else that I could do that I may not have
considered? I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open
at any instant (knowing that it?s a split database let?s double that to 160
references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table
references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of
2048. I believe it is a hardcoded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the
wrong tree completely?

  Cheers in advance for any assistance or advice.
  David ????
  Brisbane

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 08:29:40 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the person
searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.

However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out and
trigger the NotInList.

It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
combo should have been built this way to begin with.

Has anyone ever done this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  2 08:56:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:56:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <427315647.20031002155649@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Have a look in the archive for "Type Ahead in ListBox", Feb. 2002.

I guess you could use the same technique for a combobox perhaps by
setting AutoExpand to False.

Insert a DoCmd.Beep after this line:

       If .NoMatch Then

/gustav


> I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the person
> searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
> have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
> to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.

> However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
> person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
> the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
> user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
> the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
> beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
> NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out and
> trigger the NotInList.

> It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
> the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
> point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
> soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
> data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
> are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
> combo should have been built this way to begin with.

> Has anyone ever done this?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 09:06:12 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:06:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005901c388ee$56412610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

In the OnChange even of a combo box called cboAssetType I put the following
code:

    rstAssetType.FindFirst "fldAssetTypeDescription LIKE '" &
cboAssetType.Text & "*'"

    If rstAssetType.NoMatch = True Then
        MsgBox "There is No Asset Type With That Description", vbExclamation
        SendKeys Chr(8)
        cboAssetType.Dropdown
    End If

Of course, the recordset rstAssetType has already beed opened in the OnOpen
event of the form which maintains asdsset types.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:29 AM
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


> I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
person
> searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.
I
> have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after
update
> to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.
>
> However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
> person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
> the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
> user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
> the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
> beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
> NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out
and
> trigger the NotInList.
>
> It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
> the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
> point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
> soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
> data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then
we
> are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like
the
> combo should have been built this way to begin with.
>
> Has anyone ever done this?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  2 09:51:12 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:51:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <3F7C7EE6.24982.2968C7B@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEIKELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Stuart,
Thanks, I can't even remember what my issue was now, wrote that a 2:00 AM...

I ran FMS Analyzer on an app and found that none of my constants have ever
been explicitly typed - even those from procedures I obtained from other
people, ADH, etc. Maybe that was the issue: Why don't they do it why?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] explicit type
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:
>
> > Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference
> is it going
> > to make if I declare this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> > versus this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> >
>
> If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant
> with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.
>
> How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the
> constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare
> all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its
> purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  2 10:04:03 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:04:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F66B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I've only just got into that habit in the past year or so.  A lot code in articles and books seems to be written without explicitly typing constants especially with regard to API calls.  Maybe that's got a bit to do with it (not blaming authors here just making an observation).

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Stuart,
Thanks, I can't even remember what my issue was now, wrote that a 2:00 AM...

I ran FMS Analyzer on an app and found that none of my constants have ever
been explicitly typed - even those from procedures I obtained from other
people, ADH, etc. Maybe that was the issue: Why don't they do it why?

JB

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] explicit type
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:
>
> > Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference
> is it going
> > to make if I declare this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> > versus this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> >
>
> If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant
> with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.
>
> How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the
> constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare
> all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its
> purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Support.
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 10:04:53 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:04:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <Sea2-F5FrYILoygXLsx000000ed@hotmail.com>

I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.  When 
the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and as items 
are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a progressively 
wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the method was that users 
spent over 95% of their time working on active records but occasionally 
needed to look up records that might become active, records that have been 
closed and records that have been archived all from a single lookup.  It the 
item ulimately was 'not in list', the procedure allowed for adding the item. 
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for each 
globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached locally 
and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the necessity 
resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in list 
is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the contents of 
the combo when the list fires and I always use this parameter to populate 
fields in the new record.  It would be very annoying to users accustomed to 
entering new records in a combo to have it beep 30 or 50 times at them as 
they add new records.  I believe that the purpose of the implementation of 
the event is to allow users to enter new records directly into the combo 
rather than notify them to get out, yet still use the combo as a record 
locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that 
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as 
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type' record 
checking routine to search for likely matches and for the ultimate not in 
list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from which to choose 
before permitting the addition of the record.  None of my data entry forms 
have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add new records via combo 
boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that those who argue that 
misspellings and the ease of adding new records in this fashion makes for 
the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it is just as easy for a 
person to punch the new record button on a data entry form and never see 
whether the record had been previously entered.  Also, the use of a single 
record table flag to indicate that records have been edited or added ensures 
that if the possiblity exists of multiple users getting the same data 
concurrently and each adding the same record since there combo was last 
filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are 
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is 
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the 
>person
>searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
>have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
>to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
>person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
>the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
>user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
>the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
>beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
>NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out 
>and
>trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
>the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
>point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
>soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
>data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
>are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
>combo should have been built this way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 10:13:42 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:13:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEIFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ok, my solution:

Where cboperson is a combo box, with AutoExpand and LimitToList set true, of
a list of people in the database.  tfrmPeople is a tabbed form of people in
the database, and frmPAIntake is a form for entering new people in the
database.

Basically the combo change event checks the selected length.  As you type in
the combo, if a match is being found there is selected text after the
cursor.  If you reach a point where the data entered no longer matches
anything in the list, there is no selected length so pop up a message box
asking if they want to open an IDE form.  If they find the person desired
they just hit enter or tab and AfterUpdate fires, causing the tab form to
open, with a where clause that finds the PE ID (goes to that person).

'
'If AfterUpdate fires, then the user selected existing data to edit.
'
Private Sub cboPerson_AfterUpdate()
    DoCmd.OpenForm "tfrmPeople", , , "PE_ID=" & cboPerson
End Sub
'
'The change event fires only when the data in the combo changes in response
to keyboard input
'
'Check for data selected.  If data is still selected then we are still
finding matching data
'
Private Sub cboPerson_Change()
    If cboPerson.SelLength = 0 Then
        cboPerson = ""
        DoCmd.Beep
        If MsgBox("Person not found.  Open intake form?", vbDefaultButton1 +
vbYesNo, "DATABASE SEARCH") = vbYes Then
            DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPAIntake"
        End If
    End If
End Sub
'
'Performing the checks above should minimize actually getting the NotInList
'However if we do, then "Ask and Open"
'
Private Sub cboPerson_NotInList(NewData As String, Response As Integer)
    Response = acDataErrContinue
    cboPerson = ""
    If MsgBox("Person not found.  Open intake form?", vbDefaultButton1 +
vbYesNo, "DATABASE SEARCH") = vbYes Then
        DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPAIntake"
    End If
End Sub

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:30 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the person
searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.

However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out and
trigger the NotInList.

It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
combo should have been built this way to begin with.

Has anyone ever done this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 10:16:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:16:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEIKELAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEEIFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't know why developers don't do this but I do.  Much of the reason of
using a specific type is to force VB to use a specific data type to hold
whatever is being stored, which in turn prevents doing stupid things like
storing currency in strings etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B.
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Stuart,
Thanks, I can't even remember what my issue was now, wrote that a 2:00 AM...

I ran FMS Analyzer on an app and found that none of my constants have ever
been explicitly typed - even those from procedures I obtained from other
people, ADH, etc. Maybe that was the issue: Why don't they do it why?

JB

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] explicit type
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:
>
> > Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference
> is it going
> > to make if I declare this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> > versus this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> >
>
> If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant
> with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.
>
> How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the
> constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare
> all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its
> purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Support.
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 10:22:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:22:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F5FrYILoygXLsx000000ed@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEJFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the combo.
In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the combo and
the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to me to not fire
immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.  When
the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and as items
are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a progressively
wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the method was that users
spent over 95% of their time working on active records but occasionally
needed to look up records that might become active, records that have been
closed and records that have been archived all from a single lookup.  It the
item ulimately was 'not in list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for each
globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached locally
and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the necessity
resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in list
is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the contents of
the combo when the list fires and I always use this parameter to populate
fields in the new record.  It would be very annoying to users accustomed to
entering new records in a combo to have it beep 30 or 50 times at them as
they add new records.  I believe that the purpose of the implementation of
the event is to allow users to enter new records directly into the combo
rather than notify them to get out, yet still use the combo as a record
locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type' record
checking routine to search for likely matches and for the ultimate not in
list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from which to choose
before permitting the addition of the record.  None of my data entry forms
have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add new records via combo
boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that those who argue that
misspellings and the ease of adding new records in this fashion makes for
the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it is just as easy for a
person to punch the new record button on a data entry form and never see
whether the record had been previously entered.  Also, the use of a single
record table flag to indicate that records have been edited or added ensures
that if the possiblity exists of multiple users getting the same data
concurrently and each adding the same record since there combo was last
filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person
>searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
>have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
>to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
>person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
>the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
>user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
>the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
>beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
>NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out
>and
>trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
>the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
>point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
>soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
>data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
>are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
>combo should have been built this way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Thu Oct  2 10:41:37 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:41:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

> I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No
> problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 . 
> What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the
> database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent
> openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track
> openings of database? Thanks
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 10:45:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:45:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the 
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if 
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person 
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as 
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only 
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by 
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, 
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop 
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form - 
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point 
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the 
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is 
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion 
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger 
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 10:48:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:48:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312337@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I generally type my constants, but I think it is unusual in printed code
for the same reason that error handling is often left out.  Since
constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Stuart,
Thanks, I can't even remember what my issue was now, wrote that a 2:00
AM...

I ran FMS Analyzer on an app and found that none of my constants have
ever been explicitly typed - even those from procedures I obtained from
other people, ADH, etc. Maybe that was the issue: Why don't they do it
why?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] explicit type
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:
>
> > Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference
> is it going
> > to make if I declare this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> > versus this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> >
>
> If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant 
> with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.
>
> How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the 
> constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare 
> all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its 
> purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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> Support.
>
>
>
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Oct  2 11:03:06 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:03:06 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D3A@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hallo Chester,
 
For this sort of thing I use a table with a date field,
when I run the code or update data I write the date to this field
then in the code check to see if todays date = the date in the field.
if true exit sub
if false run code
 
hth
alun

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2003 17:42
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag



I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 . 
What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track openings of database? Thanks

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  2 11:04:58 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:04:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References:  <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <18035004163.20031002180458@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

Set a flag (field in table) to today's date when finished.
Then, run only if weekday = Wednesday and Date > datFlag.

/gustav


>> I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No
>> problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 . 
>> What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the
>> database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent
>> openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track
>> openings of database? Thanks


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 11:11:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:11:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312337@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEELFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Charlotte,

>Since constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

One of the reasons for even having typed data is to prevent inadvertently
assigning the data to a variable of the wrong type.  If you don't type a
constant, AFAIK it ends up a variant.  Variants are horribly slow, and can
cause (or allow) coercion to a different data type etc.  By stating that
"this constant is a string", or "this constant is a currency", you prevent
programming bugs creeping in.  And then there is the speed issue of using
variants, memory storage of the variant etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


I generally type my constants, but I think it is unusual in printed code
for the same reason that error handling is often left out.  Since
constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 11:12:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:12:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hmmm... I suppose so.

OTOH many people (touch typists) don't watch the screen as they are typing
so they don't know they have entered a mistake - or found data not in the
list - until they finally look at the combo some time later.  If something
happened IMMEDIATELY... I could beep the user, prevent the excess characters
from being entered in the combo (so they don't have to visually find the
error point) etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Thu Oct  2 11:17:08 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:17:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGEAAEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

FW: How to set flagEverytime it opens you could check the day and the flag.
If the day <> Wednesday then set the flag = false (or whatever) and exit the
function.  If day = Wednesday and flag = false then run the code and set the
flag = true.  Next time day = Wednesday and flag = true so skip the code.

The reason I say to set the flag = false any other day of the week is that
this would almost gaurantee that the flag is reset even if the app isn't
opened every day.

Of course, to avoid that you could store the number of the week when the
code last ran and compare it to the the new week number on the next
Wednesday.  If the week numbers do not match then run the code.
Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
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  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:42 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag


  I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No problem
do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 .
  What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the
database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent openings. I
am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track openings of database?
Thanks

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 11:19:51 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:19:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
References: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
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FW: How to set flagSimplest thing, I think would be to create a one field table where, when you run the code, it stores the current date.  Then every time the database is opened you could check that date and run the code if it hadn't already been run that day.

Rocky

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  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag


  I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 . 
  What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track openings of database? Thanks

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 11:36:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:36:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I agree on the speed issue and variants, but we are talking about
constants, not variables, and constants are not dynamic.  Since the
programmer has to populate the constant and logically does so when
he/she creates the thing, is it really likely they will assign the wrong
kind of data to it?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Charlotte,

>Since constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to 
>skip
typing them.

One of the reasons for even having typed data is to prevent
inadvertently assigning the data to a variable of the wrong type.  If
you don't type a constant, AFAIK it ends up a variant.  Variants are
horribly slow, and can cause (or allow) coercion to a different data
type etc.  By stating that "this constant is a string", or "this
constant is a currency", you prevent programming bugs creeping in.  And
then there is the speed issue of using variants, memory storage of the
variant etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


I generally type my constants, but I think it is unusual in printed code
for the same reason that error handling is often left out.  Since
constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct  2 11:41:26 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:41:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003b01c38904$06196d30$7001a8c0@COA3>

As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if 
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only 
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by 
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, 
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop 
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form - 
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the 
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is 
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion 
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 11:50:31 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:50:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the 
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if 
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person 
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as 
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only 
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by 
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, 
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop 
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form - 
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point 
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the 
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is 
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion 
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger 
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Thu Oct  2 12:12:13 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:12:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <3F7C5C6C.F1620A21@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
Hope this is of some help.

If you use the On Change event of the combo box you can check to see if
the info typed in exists
.

Simple example

Dim Db as database
Dim Rst as recordset
Dim Sql as string

sql="select store from company where store=""" &  me!mycombo.text & "*"
& """;"

set db=currentdb()
set rst=db.openrecordset(sql,dbopendynaset)

if rst.recordcount=0 then
    docmd.beep
endif

rst.close




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 12:00:12 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:00:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEEOFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 12:07:13 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:07:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3D8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You mean the search is on multiple fields or the user can enter a value
like either a numeric ID or a customer name?  I handled the latter
situation in the past by using a "pre-combo" textbox to enter the first
characters of the search criteria and then populated the combo with the
matching list so they could continue the search there.  That way, if
they entered numbers, I could populate the combo differently than if
they entered letters.  It also reduced the items in the list to a
manageable number.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data
that is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the 
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if 
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person 
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as 
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only 
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list. 
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by 
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, 
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop 
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form - 
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point 
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the 
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is 
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion 
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger 
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  2 12:33:15 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:33:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: How to set flag
In-Reply-To: <200310021548.h92Fmpe25030@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031002122851.024172a0@pop3.highstream.net>

Chester,

Create a table called tsys_SystemSettings
Have one field in it  LastRunDate, Date datatype

After running your process, replace the last run date
with the current date.  When opening the
database, check to see if it is today() or
LastRunDate + 7 then take the appropriate action.
Today - Ignore
Not LastRunDate + 7 - Ignore
= LastRunDate + 7 - Run again

Robert

At 10:48 AM 10/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:41:37 -0500
>From: "Kaup, Chester A" <kaupca at chevrontexaco.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID:
> 
><193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5 at bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> > I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No
> > problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 .
> > What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the
> > database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent
> > openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track
> > openings of database? Thanks
> >
> > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 12:35:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFAFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No, constants are not dynamic however AFAIK if you don't state their type,
then they are created using a variant.  That variant can be passed to an
integer or a string or a date or a currency.  Thus you could cause type
conversions that were unintended by passing the constant to a function (for
example).  If the constant is currency stored as a string, you cannot pass
it to a currency variable without specifically typecasting it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


I agree on the speed issue and variants, but we are talking about
constants, not variables, and constants are not dynamic.  Since the
programmer has to populate the constant and logically does so when
he/she creates the thing, is it really likely they will assign the wrong
kind of data to it?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Charlotte,

>Since constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to
>skip
typing them.

One of the reasons for even having typed data is to prevent
inadvertently assigning the data to a variable of the wrong type.  If
you don't type a constant, AFAIK it ends up a variant.  Variants are
horribly slow, and can cause (or allow) coercion to a different data
type etc.  By stating that "this constant is a string", or "this
constant is a currency", you prevent programming bugs creeping in.  And
then there is the speed issue of using variants, memory storage of the
variant etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


I generally type my constants, but I think it is unusual in printed code
for the same reason that error handling is often left out.  Since
constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 12:42:04 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3D8@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFBFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The search is on something like: LastName & ", " & FirstName & " : " & Zip

They would have to enter it all correctly (and it not be in there) in order
to open a data entry form and then parse it out into the correct fields etc.

I just find that it isn't in the list and ask if they want the form opened.
If they do they have to enter ALL the data from scratch.  I tried the parse
and start with that in the form and it just wasn't worth my time to do it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


You mean the search is on multiple fields or the user can enter a value
like either a numeric ID or a customer name?  I handled the latter
situation in the past by using a "pre-combo" textbox to enter the first
characters of the search criteria and then populated the combo with the
matching list so they could continue the search there.  That way, if
they entered numbers, I could populate the combo differently than if
they entered letters.  It also reduced the items in the list to a
manageable number.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data
that is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 12:48:38 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:48:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227296@main2.marlow.com>

Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a
'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  
 
But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview
turned on.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the
hotkey?
 
Rocky
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If
MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then
have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Dear List:
 
I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to
run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying
"Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's
something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes
up.
 
What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key -
which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying
"Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to
continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  2 12:55:09 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:55:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: CBO Not in List
In-Reply-To: <200310021700.h92H0Ye25764@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031002125325.0241eaf0@pop3.highstream.net>

Tony,

You need to be careful of using recordcount.
It is better to do this:

if rs.eof and rs.bof then

The only time both are true is if the recordset
is empty.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:55:26 -0700
>From: Tony Septav <iggy at nanaimo.ark.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not in List
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID: <3F714DED.907D33D2 at nanaimo.ark.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hey All
>Hope this is of some help.
>
>If you use the On Change event of the combo box you can check to see if
>the info typed in exists
>.
>
>Simple example
>
>Dim Db as database
>Dim Rst as recordset
>Dim Sql as string
>
>sql="select store from company where store=""" &  me!mycombo.text & "*"
>& """;"
>
>set db=currentdb()
>set rst=db.openrecordset(sql,dbopendynaset)
>
>if rst.recordcount=0 then
>     docmd.beep
>endif
>
>rst.close



From askolits at ot.com  Thu Oct  2 13:24:35 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:24:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
In-Reply-To: <16626259.1064921087446.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAELDDEAA.askolits@ot.com>

Here ya' go. Found this on the web. To use it, just paste all the code below
the line into a module. Then, run the code:

call RegDLL("c:\winnt\system32\COMDLG32.OCX",TRUE).

You can put any dll file in there you want. Include the path.

Place a true or false in there if you want a message box to show up.

John Skolits
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  Option Compare Database

  Option Explicit

  Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lLibFileName
As String) As Long
  Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32" (lThreadAttributes As
Any, _
      ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As Long, ByVal larameter
As Long, _
      ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hHandle
As Long, _
      ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hModule As
Long, _
      ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
  Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32" Alias
"CallWindowProcA" _
      (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal Msg As Long, _
      ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hLibModule As
Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As
Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hThread
As Long, lExitCode As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lExitCode As Long)

  Function RegDLL(strDLL_Name As String, Optional bolShowMsg As Boolean)
      If RegisterComponent(strDLL_Name) = True Then
          If bolShowMsg Then MsgBox "Component Successfully Registered"
      Else
          If bolShowMsg Then MsgBox "Failed to Registered Component"
      End If
  End Function


  'Purpose   :    This function registers and Unregisters OLE components
  'Inputs    :    sFilePath       The path to the DLL/OCX or ActiveX EXE
  '               bRegister                       If True Registers the
control,
  '               else unregisters control
  'Outputs   :    Returns True if successful
  'Author    :    Andrewb
  'Date      :    04/09/2000
  'Notes     :    This is the API equivalent of RegSvr32.exe.
  'Revisions :    1/Jan/2002. Updated to include code for registering
ActiveX Exes.

  Function RegisterComponent(ByVal sFilePath As String, Optional bRegister
As Boolean = True) As Boolean
      Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long, lThreadID As Long, _
          lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As Long
      Dim sRegister As String
      Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20 secs for register to
complete

      On Error GoTo ErrFailed
      If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0 Then
          'File exists
          If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
              'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
              If bRegister Then
                  'Register EXE
                  Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
              Else
                  'Unregister ActiveX EXE
                  Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER", vbHide
              End If
              RegisterComponent = True
          Else
              'Register/Unregister DLL
              If bRegister Then
                  sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
              Else
                  sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
              End If

              'Load library into current process
              lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)

              If lLibAddress Then
                  'Get address of the DLL function
                  lProcAddress = GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
                  If lProcAddress Then
                      lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&, ByVal
lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
                      If lThread Then
                          'Created thread and wait for it to terminate
                          lSuccess = (WaitForSingleObject(lThread,
clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
                          If Not lSuccess Then
                              'Failed to register, close thread
                              Call GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
                              Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
                              RegisterComponent = False
                          Else
                              'Successfully registered component
                              RegisterComponent = True
                              Call CloseHandle(lThread)
                          End If
                      End If
                      Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
                  Else
                      'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
                      Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
                  End If
              End If
          End If
      End If
      Exit Function

  ErrFailed:
      Debug.Print Err.Description
      Debug.Assert False
      On Error GoTo 0
  End Function
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 13:36:22 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:36:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227296@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <014401c38914$14582ca0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Drew:

Is the button Click event active while the program is in a long loop?

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:48 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a 'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  

  But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview turned on.

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the hotkey?

    Rocky

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Drew Wutka 
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
      Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


      Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.

      Drew
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
        To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


        Dear List:

        I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

        What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

        MTIA,

        Rocky Smolin
        Beach Access Software



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 13:38:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:38:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] control labels
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In my framework I use the background color of a combo to denote that the
combo has dbl-click (open a data entry form) functionality.

In order to do this I use the following function to find any given control's
label:

'.Comments  :
'.Parameters:
'.Sets      :
'.Returns   :
'.Created by: John W. Colby
'.Created   : 6/17/02 11:22:19 AM
'
'Finds the label that "belongs to" any given control.
'
Function CtlLbl(ctlFindLbl As Control) As Label
On Error GoTo Err_CtlLbl
Dim ctl As Control
    For Each ctl In ctlFindLbl.Controls
        If ctl.ControlType = acLabel Then
            Set CtlLbl = ctl
        End If
    Next ctl
Exit_CtlLbl:
Exit Function
Err_CtlLbl:
    Select Case err
    Case 0      '.insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   '.All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox err.Description, , "Error in Function Utils.CtlLbl"
        Resume Exit_CtlLbl
    End Select
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function

My combo class has a private label variable.  I use the function above to
find the label and set the class' label variable.

dim mlbl as label
    Set mlbl = CtlLbl(mcbo)

Having done this, the class can now directly manipulate the properties of
the label associated with the combo such as back color, forecolor, font etc.
For example

	if mcbo.text < 0 then
		mlbl.backcolor = vbRed
	else
		mlbl.backcolor = vbGreen
	endif

The problem is controls on a continuous form where the label is in the page
or form header don't have a label per se (in their controls collection), and
thus the function returns a null.  IOW I can't manipulate a label for a
COLUMN of controls the same way I can for an independent label directly
attached to a control.  And yes, I know the example above makes no sense for
a column of combos since different records could plus or negative.  However
I want to be able to say a column of combos can be dbl-clicked to open a
data entry form, and in this context it does make sense.

So I added a function to the combo class to allow me to pass in a reference
to a label, which is then stored in the label variable in the class.

'
'Connects a label to a combo - used for continuous forms where the label is
in the header etc.
'
Function ConnectLabel(llbl As Label)
    Set mlbl = llbl
End Function

I can now "assign" a label to a class instance using the syntax:

  colCombos.Item("cboIDPT").ConnectLabel lblIDPT

Therefore any code in the class that attempts to manipulate the label of the
control (combo in this case) "finds" a label to manipulate even though there
isn't one in the control.controls collection.

And IT WORKS!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From chizotz at charter.net  Thu Oct  2 13:43:38 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:43:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Engagement Pictures
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEEOFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-5633287@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

Hello Everyone,

At the request of my fiance (still feels odd to say 
that<g>) I put some of our engagement evening pictures on 
the web for her family to see. Here is the link if anyone 
here is interested.

http://webpages.charter.net/chizotz/engaged.html

Yeah, the hairy-faced guy is me and the older lady in one 
picture is my mom.

Ron

From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 14:20:40 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:20:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <Sea2-F65NTAbAWFswl30000051a@hotmail.com>

I concluded the opposite when it came to the names of people.  I did not 
concatenate a zip code because I didn't want duplicate person records 
everytime someone uses a different address (mailing vs physical vs work vs 
weekend vs summer...).  As I don't generally use a 'New Record' button, the 
only annomaly is that it is necessary to misspell a name if there really are 
two people with identical names.  This is especially true for things like 
companies with the same name but different locations.  Users appreciate the 
fact that you parse names so they need not rekey things twice.

I didn't consider it not 'worth my time' because it is used in every 
application I write.  When I was first working with Access 97, I read a Wrox 
book called something like Beginning Access VBA and it had an example of an 
elaborate parser that pulled Mr/Mrs - Names - middle names - last names - 
Jr/Sr and then titles and degrees.  I dummied that one down about 500%  back 
in '97 and still use it today and it still works just as satifactorily now 
as it did then.  I probably invested over an hour into the routine at the 
time because coding was new to me and Access 97 didn't have some of the 
newer string functions that more recent versions have, but I learned 
something and built a reusable tool.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:04 -0400
>
>The search is on something like: LastName & ", " & FirstName & " : " & Zip
>
>They would have to enter it all correctly (and it not be in there) in order
>to open a data entry form and then parse it out into the correct fields 
>etc.
>
>I just find that it isn't in the list and ask if they want the form opened.
>If they do they have to enter ALL the data from scratch.  I tried the parse
>and start with that in the form and it just wasn't worth my time to do it.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>

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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 14:20:40 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:20:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <Sea2-F65NTAbAWFswl30000051a@hotmail.com>

I concluded the opposite when it came to the names of people.  I did not 
concatenate a zip code because I didn't want duplicate person records 
everytime someone uses a different address (mailing vs physical vs work vs 
weekend vs summer...).  As I don't generally use a 'New Record' button, the 
only annomaly is that it is necessary to misspell a name if there really are 
two people with identical names.  This is especially true for things like 
companies with the same name but different locations.  Users appreciate the 
fact that you parse names so they need not rekey things twice.

I didn't consider it not 'worth my time' because it is used in every 
application I write.  When I was first working with Access 97, I read a Wrox 
book called something like Beginning Access VBA and it had an example of an 
elaborate parser that pulled Mr/Mrs - Names - middle names - last names - 
Jr/Sr and then titles and degrees.  I dummied that one down about 500%  back 
in '97 and still use it today and it still works just as satifactorily now 
as it did then.  I probably invested over an hour into the routine at the 
time because coding was new to me and Access 97 didn't have some of the 
newer string functions that more recent versions have, but I learned 
something and built a reusable tool.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:04 -0400
>
>The search is on something like: LastName & ", " & FirstName & " : " & Zip
>
>They would have to enter it all correctly (and it not be in there) in order
>to open a data entry form and then parse it out into the correct fields 
>etc.
>
>I just find that it isn't in the list and ask if they want the form opened.
>If they do they have to enter ALL the data from scratch.  I tried the parse
>and start with that in the form and it just wasn't worth my time to do it.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>

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From greggs at msn.com  Thu Oct  2 14:41:54 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:41:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Autosave????
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F2542oaPth2AQV00032d30@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIIEBCDAAA.greggs@msn.com>

In A97 when editing forms, reports, and queries they automatically save on
exit... I get no choice.  What causes that? I can move th DB to another
system and the problem goes away.

Thanks!

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct  2 14:41:05 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:41:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F96E0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

should that not be regsvr32 ???
I always used this.

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Skolits
	Verzonden: donderdag 2 oktober 2003 20:25
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
	
	
	Here ya' go. Found this on the web. To use it, just paste all
the code below the line into a module. Then, run the code:
	 
	call RegDLL("c:\winnt\system32\COMDLG32.OCX",TRUE). 
	 
	You can put any dll file in there you want. Include the path.
	 
	Place a true or false in there if you want a message box to show
up.
	 
	John Skolits
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		Option Compare Database
		 
		Option Explicit
		 
		Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal lLibFileName As String) As Long
		Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32"
(lThreadAttributes As Any, _
		    ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As
Long, ByVal larameter As Long, _
		    ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As
Long
		Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib
"kernel32" (ByVal hHandle As Long, _
		    ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hModule As Long, _
		    ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
		Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32"
Alias "CallWindowProcA" _
		    (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long,
ByVal Msg As Long, _
		    ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hLibModule As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hObject As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib
"kernel32" (ByVal hThread As Long, lExitCode As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal
lExitCode As Long)
		 
		Function RegDLL(strDLL_Name As String, Optional
bolShowMsg As Boolean)
		    If RegisterComponent(strDLL_Name) = True Then
		        If bolShowMsg Then MsgBox "Component
Successfully Registered"
		    Else
		        If bolShowMsg Then MsgBox "Failed to Registered
Component"
		    End If
		End Function
		 
		

		'Purpose   :    This function registers and Unregisters
OLE components
		'Inputs    :    sFilePath       The path to the DLL/OCX
or ActiveX EXE
		'               bRegister                       If True
Registers the control,
		'               else unregisters control
		'Outputs   :    Returns True if successful
		'Author    :    Andrewb
		'Date      :    04/09/2000
		'Notes     :    This is the API equivalent of
RegSvr32.exe.
		'Revisions :    1/Jan/2002. Updated to include code for
registering ActiveX Exes.
		 
		Function RegisterComponent(ByVal sFilePath As String,
Optional bRegister As Boolean = True) As Boolean
		    Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long,
lThreadID As Long, _
		        lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As
Long
		    Dim sRegister As String
		    Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20
secs for register to complete
		    
		    On Error GoTo ErrFailed
		    If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0
Then
		        'File exists
		        If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
		            'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
		            If bRegister Then
		                'Register EXE
		                Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
		            Else
		                'Unregister ActiveX EXE
		                Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER",
vbHide
		            End If
		            RegisterComponent = True
		        Else
		            'Register/Unregister DLL
		            If bRegister Then
		                sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
		            Else
		                sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
		            End If
		            
		            'Load library into current process
		            lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)
		            
		            If lLibAddress Then
		                'Get address of the DLL function
		                lProcAddress =
GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
		                If lProcAddress Then
		                    lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&,
ByVal lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
		                    If lThread Then
		                        'Created thread and wait for it
to terminate
		                        lSuccess =
(WaitForSingleObject(lThread, clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
		                        If Not lSuccess Then
		                            'Failed to register, close
thread
		                            Call
GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
		                            Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
		                            RegisterComponent = False
		                        Else
		                            'Successfully registered
component
		                            RegisterComponent = True
		                            Call CloseHandle(lThread)
		                        End If
		                    End If
		                    Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
		                Else
		                    'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
		                    Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
		                End If
		            End If
		        End If
		    End If
		    Exit Function
		 
		ErrFailed:
		    Debug.Print Err.Description
		    Debug.Assert False
		    On Error GoTo 0
		End Function
		

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 14:51:20 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:51:20 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227297@main2.marlow.com>

Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 14:52:01 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:52:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Autosave????
In-Reply-To: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIIEBCDAAA.greggs@msn.com>
Message-ID: <00cf01c3891e$a57ea330$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Gregg
I think this happens when you've Set Warnings Off and not set them back
on.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> Sent: 02 October 2003 20:42
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Autosave????
> 
> 
> In A97 when editing forms, reports, and queries they 
> automatically save on exit... I get no choice.  What causes 
> that? I can move th DB to another system and the problem goes away.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Gregg
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 15:00:38 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:00:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227298@main2.marlow.com>

It's active whenever your loop hit's a doevents statement.  That's what
DoEvents is for! <grin>
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Drew:
 
Is the button Click event active while the program is in a long loop?
 
Rocky
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
problem solving' 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a
'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  
 
But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview
turned on.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the
hotkey?
 
Rocky
 

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From: Drew  <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com> Wutka 
To: 'Access Developers discussion  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If
MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then
have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Dear List:
 
I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to
run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying
"Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's
something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes
up.
 
What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key -
which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying
"Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to
continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  2 15:01:42 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:01:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBCC0@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Are you implying that you've successfully done this?  Any custom ocx I've written (and others) don't quite work as well in Access  as VB (A97 in my experience).  

I can't remember the shortcomings offhand but as an example, I was at an Advisor.com event a few years back and the topic was creating custom controls in VB6.  The speaker got bold after mentioning how this control would work in any development tool that supported ActiveX and decided to show us how he could drop it on an Access form and use it.  I had already tried this bright idea and had a strong feeling it would fail and it did.  

Sorry for no details.  I guess if someone wanted I could dig up my results.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 15:11:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:11:21 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227299@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, I have written custom controls that work in Access 97. (Not a combo box
though...)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Are you implying that you've successfully done this?  Any custom ocx I've
written (and others) don't quite work as well in Access  as VB (A97 in my
experience).  

I can't remember the shortcomings offhand but as an example, I was at an
Advisor.com event a few years back and the topic was creating custom
controls in VB6.  The speaker got bold after mentioning how this control
would work in any development tool that supported ActiveX and decided to
show us how he could drop it on an Access form and use it.  I had already
tried this bright idea and had a strong feeling it would fail and it did.  

Sorry for no details.  I guess if someone wanted I could dig up my results.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 15:50:50 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:50:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227298@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <01a401c38926$dcfee240$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

aha.  got it.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  It's active whenever your loop hit's a doevents statement.  That's what DoEvents is for! <grin>

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
    Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:36 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    Drew:

    Is the button Click event active while the program is in a long loop?

    Rocky

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Drew Wutka 
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
      Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:48 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


      Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a 'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  

      But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview turned on.

      Drew
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


        Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the hotkey?

        Rocky

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Drew Wutka 
          To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
          Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


          Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.

          Drew
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
            To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
            Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


            Dear List:

            I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

            What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

            MTIA,

            Rocky Smolin
            Beach Access Software



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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 15:54:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:54:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEIFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001601c38927$67df8ea0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...hhhmmm ...I approach this differently JC ...I almost always use a
separate text box to set the cbo row source ...using the change event on the
text box to count the records found as each character beyond two or three
(choose your number) is typed into the text box ...if the ListCount is zero,
I can do a number of things depending upon the app ...this way I can limit
the records found to a reasonable size and still have be very responsive to
the user making changes ...watch the wrap :)

Me!txtSearchExpression = Me!txtEntry.Text & "*"
    lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblCompany.CompanyID,
tblCompany.CompanyName, tblCompany.City, tblCompany.StateOrProvince,
tblCompany.Country FROM tblCompany WHERE (((tblCompany.CompanyName) Like
[txtSearchExpression])) ORDER BY tblCompany.CompanyName;"
    lstFound.Requery
        Dim i As Integer
        i = lstFound.ListCount
    Me!txtCount = i

William Hindman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


> Ok, my solution:
>
> Where cboperson is a combo box, with AutoExpand and LimitToList set true,
of
> a list of people in the database.  tfrmPeople is a tabbed form of people
in
> the database, and frmPAIntake is a form for entering new people in the
> database.
>
> Basically the combo change event checks the selected length.  As you type
in
> the combo, if a match is being found there is selected text after the
> cursor.  If you reach a point where the data entered no longer matches
> anything in the list, there is no selected length so pop up a message box
> asking if they want to open an IDE form.  If they find the person desired
> they just hit enter or tab and AfterUpdate fires, causing the tab form to
> open, with a where clause that finds the PE ID (goes to that person).
>
> '
> 'If AfterUpdate fires, then the user selected existing data to edit.
> '
> Private Sub cboPerson_AfterUpdate()
>     DoCmd.OpenForm "tfrmPeople", , , "PE_ID=" & cboPerson
> End Sub
> '
> 'The change event fires only when the data in the combo changes in
response
> to keyboard input
> '
> 'Check for data selected.  If data is still selected then we are still
> finding matching data
> '
> Private Sub cboPerson_Change()
>     If cboPerson.SelLength = 0 Then
>         cboPerson = ""
>         DoCmd.Beep
>         If MsgBox("Person not found.  Open intake form?", vbDefaultButton1
+
> vbYesNo, "DATABASE SEARCH") = vbYes Then
>             DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPAIntake"
>         End If
>     End If
> End Sub
> '
> 'Performing the checks above should minimize actually getting the
NotInList
> 'However if we do, then "Ask and Open"
> '
> Private Sub cboPerson_NotInList(NewData As String, Response As Integer)
>     Response = acDataErrContinue
>     cboPerson = ""
>     If MsgBox("Person not found.  Open intake form?", vbDefaultButton1 +
> vbYesNo, "DATABASE SEARCH") = vbYes Then
>         DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPAIntake"
>     End If
> End Sub
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:30 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>
>
> I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
person
> searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.
I
> have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after
update
> to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.
>
> However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
> person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
> the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
> user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
> the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
> beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
> NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out
and
> trigger the NotInList.
>
> It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
> the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
> point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
> soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
> data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then
we
> are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like
the
> combo should have been built this way to begin with.
>
> Has anyone ever done this?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 15:57:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:57:14 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222729B@main2.marlow.com>

Sounds like a plan.  Does it do what you wanted it to do?

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] form on top question


I'll take a look -- thank you Drew. Smells like an article to me. :)

Susan H.


> Susan, I just sent you (off list) an Access 97 database that does what you
> want.  There's a form and a module involved (don't really need the module,
> you could put all of the code on the form, just got lazy and used a module
> from the old version of the MiniCalendar).


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 15:57:32 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:57:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Engagement Pictures
References: <web-5633287@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c38927$cc99d7b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...ok ...so now we know two things ...you have great taste ...she has poor
taste!

...congratulations :)

William Hindman
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:43 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Engagement Pictures


> Hello Everyone,
>
> At the request of my fiance (still feels odd to say
> that<g>) I put some of our engagement evening pictures on
> the web for her family to see. Here is the link if anyone
> here is interested.
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/chizotz/engaged.html
>
> Yeah, the hairy-faced guy is me and the older lady in one
> picture is my mom.
>
> Ron
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From greggs at msn.com  Thu Oct  2 16:19:23 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:19:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Autosave????
In-Reply-To: <00cf01c3891e$a57ea330$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLICEBFDAAA.greggs@msn.com>

That was it!  Can't tell you how long I would have looked for that.  Thanks
Andy!

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Autosave????


Gregg
I think this happens when you've Set Warnings Off and not set them back
on.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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> Sent: 02 October 2003 20:42
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> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Autosave????
>
>
> In A97 when editing forms, reports, and queries they
> automatically save on exit... I get no choice.  What causes
> that? I can move th DB to another system and the problem goes away.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Gregg
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 16:18:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:18:45 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222729E@main2.marlow.com>

Just be careful with that statement, because a LOT of events can occur, when
you call DoEvents, so if you have something that may interfere, watch
out.... <grin>
 
Drew

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aha.  got it.
 
Rocky
 

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

It's active whenever your loop hit's a doevents statement.  That's what
DoEvents is for! <grin>
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Drew:
 
Is the button Click event active while the program is in a long loop?
 
Rocky
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew  <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com> Wutka 
To: 'Access Developers discussion  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> and
problem solving' 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a
'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  
 
But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview
turned on.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the
hotkey?
 
Rocky
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew  <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com> Wutka 
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If
MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then
have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Dear List:
 
I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to
run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying
"Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's
something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes
up.
 
What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key -
which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying
"Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to
continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 17:11:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:11:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227297@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFMFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

My combo box class is part of my framework.  In essence I do extend the
functionality of the combo by loading a class to handle it.  If I build an
OCX I have to distribute it, register it etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 17:12:24 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:12:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222729B@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c38932$d097b840$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Haven't even tried it yet Drew. I'm sorry! I'm off on something completely
different now.

Susan H.

> Sounds like a plan.  Does it do what you wanted it to do?
>
> Drew



From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Thu Oct  2 17:17:49 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:17:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE2@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Thanks for your feedback and advice John. The MVPS <http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm>  article (although referring to ACC97) indirectly led me to believe that Jet 3.6 allowed 2048 references since the old Jet allowed 1024. Given what you have mentioned, I would be most definitely over the 128 limit then. I have tried the 'Just in time' method and have found it to be painfully slow. The user clicks on a tab and has to wait for the records to be filtered into the subform. I put the recordsource SQL string in a Case statement linked to the tab control. Perhaps I need to review the filtering or something.

Cheers 
David ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 


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Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos, lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on the tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on and unload them as the next tab is clicked on. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 17:22:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:22:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272A1@main2.marlow.com>

True.  Just an option though.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


My combo box class is part of my framework.  In essence I do extend the
functionality of the combo by loading a class to handle it.  If I build an
OCX I have to distribute it, register it etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Thu Oct  2 17:23:03 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:23:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE3@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Thanks for your advice and feedback Susan. 
I'm running on Win 2000 server, not Novell. I am satisfied that I am overstressing the Jet engine because of the number of forms, queries and other things that I have open at the same time. I have tried the 'Just in Time' method of reducing the number of open table references, but it was very slow. I will let you know how I solved it properly, if I ever do. The MVPS <http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm>  site had an interesting article which explained the problem, but Jet 3.6 didn't seem to solve it.

Cheers 
David ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:38:19 -0400
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Can't open any more databases. The one time I ran into this, I ended up redoing my form to get rid of the subforms -- never did find the culprit. I was told it could be resolved with a simple switch on the Novell server (which did seem to be the culprit) -- but IT refused. 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 17:31:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:31:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312342@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Why are they waiting for records to be filtered?  Aren't you also setting the master and child links for the subforms?  That is generally a much faster way to filter a subform than changing the recordsource.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: David Fenton [mailto:dfe at nudgeeinternational.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
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Thanks for your feedback and advice John. The MVPS <http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm>  article (although referring to ACC97) indirectly led me to believe that Jet 3.6 allowed 2048 references since the old Jet allowed 1024. Given what you have mentioned, I would be most definitely over the 128 limit then. I have tried the 'Just in time' method and have found it to be painfully slow. The user clicks on a tab and has to wait for the records to be filtered into the subform. I put the recordsource SQL string in a Case statement linked to the tab control. Perhaps I need to review the filtering or something.

Cheers
David ????
Brisbane

Australia 

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:30:02 -0400

From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

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Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos, lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on the tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on and unload them as the next tab is clicked on. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com <file://www.colbyconsulting.com> 



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 17:33:26 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
References: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE2@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <002601c38935$321980b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases...something wrong there David ...I use JIT to speed up a db, not slow it down :(((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Fenton 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:17 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


  Thanks for your feedback and advice John. The MVPS article (although referring to ACC97) indirectly led me to believe that Jet 3.6 allowed 2048 references since the old Jet allowed 1024. Given what you have mentioned, I would be most definitely over the 128 limit then. I have tried the 'Just in time' method and have found it to be painfully slow. The user clicks on a tab and has to wait for the records to be filtered into the subform. I put the recordsource SQL string in a Case statement linked to the tab control. Perhaps I need to review the filtering or something.


  Cheers
  David ????
  Brisbane

  Australia 


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  Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos, lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

  One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on the tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on and unload them as the next tab is clicked on. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com





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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Thu Oct  2 17:33:50 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:33:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases (Concluded)
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Thank you for your excellent insights Jim,
Looks like it's back to the drawing board. I'm definitely pushing the limits of the table references then. What do you make of the MVPS <http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm>  article the, where they refer to 1024 references?  When I noticed that Susan was referring to a specific problem that occurs on Novell, I knew that since I'm on Win2000 server it wouldn't help.

I have temporarily solved the problem by closing other forms that happened to be open at the same time, thereby closing some references. I will experiment with refining the record source under the open subforms on the offending form. But since I can never predict what forms the user might have open, I'd prefer to work towards a more robust solution so that I can be 100% certain the user will never see the error message.

Anyway, thanks for your valued help.

Cheers 
David Fenton ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 

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Can't open any more databases

David,

<<I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open at any
instant (knowing that it's a split database let's double that to 160
references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table
references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of
2048. I believe it is a hard-coded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the
wrong tree completely?>>

  Yes but "table references" is probably not what you think it is.  Not only
does it mean every open table, but it also applies to every field reference
(which is in of itself a table reference).  It can add up a lot quicker then
you think, especially with multiple subforms.

<<It's a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab
control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking
on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of
it's open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and
a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs).>>

  From what you describe, it certainly sounds like you are bumping into the
limit. And yes, the bad news is that the limit is internal to Access and
cannot be modified.  Your only choice is to reduce the complexity of what's
going on.

  The other then that Susan mentioned is in regards to locks.  It is
possible that you are running out of locks and therefore cannot open another
database because you can't place a user lock.  This applies only to Novell
environments.  To test this out, place both the FE and BE on the same
station and try the operation again.  If the error still occurs, then it's
not related to locking.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 17:36:42 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:36:42 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272A2@main2.marlow.com>

Oh well, that was fun to make!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] form on top question


Haven't even tried it yet Drew. I'm sorry! I'm off on something completely
different now.

Susan H.

> Sounds like a plan.  Does it do what you wanted it to do?
>
> Drew


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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Thu Oct  2 17:56:38 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:56:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE5@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Charlotte and William, you have both got me thinking! 
Yes I do use the Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource). 

When the user clicks on each tab I assign an SQL string to the recordsource of the subforms under that tabb, the form opens the record source and each child subform does it's master/child filtering. All is well, but it IS slow. Is this the accepted way to do it? Because if you are saying it should be faster, then I'd like to do it properly so that it IS faster on my application. I must be doing something wrong.

A sample of my code:
  ...
        Case 6   ' Transfers IN
	'Simple procedure to remove recordsources from forms hidden when user leaves previous tab
          	ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferOUT.Form)
          	ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsOUT.Form)
          	ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsIN.Form)

	'Set up the recordsource strings for the three visible subforms (master and two children)
            Dim rsIN As String 'Master subform recordsource
    	Dim rsINfromDetails As String  'child 1 subform recordsource
    	Dim rsINtoDetails As String 'child 2 subform recordsource

	'Assign the strings to the variables
		rsIN = "SELECT tbl_Transfer.Trf_ID AS TransferID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Num AS TrfNumber, 
		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Printed AS Printed, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Date AS DateIssued, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Description,
		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_out AS fromEnrolID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_in AS toEnrolID, 
		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Amount AS AmtTransferred FROM tbl_Transfer;"
    	rsINfromDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsOUT"
    	rsINtoDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsIN"
    
	'Assign recordsources to the three subforms under tab user just clicked on
    	mainTrfINfrm.RecordSource = rsIN    'Where mainTrfINform is a form object previously set
    	detailTrfINfrom.RecordSource = rsINfromDetails
    	detailTrfINto.RecordSource = rsINtoDetails
	etc....

Any ideas?

Cheers 
David ???? 
Ext 0751 
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:31:12 -0700
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Why are they waiting for records to be filtered?  Aren't you also setting the master and child links for the subforms?  That is generally a much faster way to filter a subform than changing the recordsource.

Charlotte Foust

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:26 -0400
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases...something wrong there David ...I use JIT to speed up a db, not slow it down :(((

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 18:02:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:02:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312343@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No, the fast way is to use an unbound subform control and set its sourceobject in code to a particular subform, not a bound subform control with a change to the recordsource.  If you use SQL strings like that, it means that the SELECT statements are not optimized in Access 2000 and 2002 and can lead to significant delays in loading the form.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: David Fenton [mailto:dfe at nudgeeinternational.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)


Charlotte and William, you have both got me thinking! 

Yes I do use the Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource). 

When the user clicks on each tab I assign an SQL string to the recordsource of the subforms under that tabb, the form opens the record source and each child subform does it's master/child filtering. All is well, but it IS slow. Is this the accepted way to do it? Because if you are saying it should be faster, then I'd like to do it properly so that it IS faster on my application. I must be doing something wrong.

A sample of my code:

  ...

        Case 6   ' Transfers IN

        'Simple procedure to remove recordsources from forms hidden when user leaves previous tab

                ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferOUT.Form)

                ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsOUT.Form)

                ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsIN.Form)

        'Set up the recordsource strings for the three visible subforms (master and two children)

            Dim rsIN As String 'Master subform recordsource

        Dim rsINfromDetails As String  'child 1 subform recordsource

        Dim rsINtoDetails As String 'child 2 subform recordsource

        'Assign the strings to the variables

		rsIN = "SELECT tbl_Transfer.Trf_ID AS TransferID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Num AS TrfNumber, 

		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Printed AS Printed, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Date AS DateIssued, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Description,

		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_out AS fromEnrolID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_in AS toEnrolID, 

		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Amount AS AmtTransferred FROM tbl_Transfer;"

        rsINfromDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsOUT"

        rsINtoDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsIN"

    

        'Assign recordsources to the three subforms under tab user just clicked on

        mainTrfINfrm.RecordSource = rsIN    'Where mainTrfINform is a form object previously set

        detailTrfINfrom.RecordSource = rsINfromDetails

        detailTrfINto.RecordSource = rsINtoDetails

        etc....

Any ideas?

Cheers
David ????
Ext 0751 

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:31:12 -0700

From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

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Why are they waiting for records to be filtered?  Aren't you also setting the master and child links for the subforms?  That is generally a much faster way to filter a subform than changing the recordsource.

Charlotte Foust

........................................................................................................................................................................

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:26 -0400

From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Message-ID: <002601c38935$321980b0$6001a8c0 at dejpolsys>

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RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases...something wrong there David ...I use JIT to speed up a db, not slow it down :(((

William Hindman


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 18:48:29 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:48:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE5@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFOFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)>Yes I do use the
Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms
sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource).

I think you are not using JIT at all.  JIT means that the SOURCE OBJECT
property of the subform control on a tab is empty.  IOW, if you could see
the tab, the entire subform would not be there at all, you couldn't see the
text boxes on the subform etc.

It sounds like you are saying that you have the subforms loaded, but then
load the RECORDSOURCE (DATA) to the subform?  I don't mess with the
recordsource of the subform at all under normal circumstances.  Each subform
has a recordsource that is usually a saved query.  The recoursource property
always references the query - and is saved that way, i.e. if you open the
subform in design view you would see the query name or SQL statement.  I
assign the form name to the SOURCE OBJECT property.  What this does is
actually LOAD the subform into the tab at the instant that the source object
property is set.  Since the subform has a recordsource property, it loads
its data when the form loads.

For some reason I then have to read out the Link child and master field
properties and write them right back in.

I don't know what you consider painfully slow of course but in general a
subform takes 1/2 second to one second to load.  It can be more of course
depending on how many combos and lists are on the subform - they also have
to load their data.  Of course if the subforms have tabs (Yep, I've done
that) then they are also JIT to avoid having to load all of those subforms
at one time.

The entire point of JIT subforms is to reduce load time of the parent form,
since any tab the user never clicks on never loads the subforms on that tab.
It can make a world of difference.  Bottom line, if the user is going to see
the subform, then it has to load and they have to wait for that load.  The
point is that in forms where they only NORMALLY use a few of many tabs, the
subforms on the other tabs never load so the user never has to wait for
those subforms to load.

I actually use an application global sysvar to decide whether to unload the
subforms once loaded (when the user clicks to another tab).  Sometimes it
makes sense, others it doesn't.  I then use form specific sysvars to
over-ride the global sysvar if I need a specific form to buck the global
trend.  IOW I can decide that in general, the subforms WILL unload when the
user clicks on a different tab, but for frmXXX the subforms will NOT unload.
Application SysVars are a real neat trick for customizing an app in this
manner.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:57 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
databases)


  Charlotte and William, you have both got me thinking!

  Yes I do use the Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded
all of its subforms sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with
no recordsource).

  When the user clicks on each tab I assign an SQL string to the
recordsource of the subforms under that tabb, the form opens the record
source and each child subform does it?s master/child filtering. All is well,
but it IS slow. Is this the accepted way to do it? Because if you are saying
it should be faster, then I?d like to do it properly so that it IS faster on
my application. I must be doing something wrong.

  A sample of my code:

    


          Case 6   ' Transfers IN

          ?Simple procedure to remove recordsources from forms hidden when
user leaves previous tab

                  ClearRecordSource
(Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferOUT.Form)

                  ClearRecordSource
(Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsOUT.Form)

                  ClearRecordSource
(Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsIN.Form)

          ?Set up the recordsource strings for the three visible subforms
(master and two children)

              Dim rsIN As String ?Master subform recordsource

          Dim rsINfromDetails As String  ?child 1 subform recordsource

          Dim rsINtoDetails As String ?child 2 subform recordsource

          ?Assign the strings to the variables

      rsIN = "SELECT tbl_Transfer.Trf_ID AS TransferID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Num
AS TrfNumber,

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Printed AS Printed, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Date AS
DateIssued, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Description,

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_out AS fromEnrolID,
tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_in AS toEnrolID,

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Amount AS AmtTransferred FROM tbl_Transfer;"

          rsINfromDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsOUT"

          rsINtoDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsIN"



          ?Assign recordsources to the three subforms under tab user just
clicked on

          mainTrfINfrm.RecordSource = rsIN    ?Where mainTrfINform is a form
object previously set

          detailTrfINfrom.RecordSource = rsINfromDetails

          detailTrfINto.RecordSource = rsINtoDetails

          etc
.

  Any ideas?

  Cheers
  David ????
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  2 18:56:46 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:56:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F67F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

...and all custom properties, methods, and events appeared where they should be?  As I recall the issue I had (and the speaker at the event I mentioned) was either custom events not appearing in the custom object's event list (and not appearing in the property window's event list) were therefore inaccessible.

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Yes, I have written custom controls that work in Access 97. (Not a combo box
though...)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Are you implying that you've successfully done this?  Any custom ocx I've
written (and others) don't quite work as well in Access  as VB (A97 in my
experience).  

I can't remember the shortcomings offhand but as an example, I was at an
Advisor.com event a few years back and the topic was creating custom
controls in VB6.  The speaker got bold after mentioning how this control
would work in any development tool that supported ActiveX and decided to
show us how he could drop it on an Access form and use it.  I had already
tried this bright idea and had a strong feeling it would fail and it did.  
Sorry for no details.  I guess if someone wanted I could dig up my results.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 19:15:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:15:31 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272A6@main2.marlow.com>

Events showed up on the code page, but the property page didn't show
anything....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


...and all custom properties, methods, and events appeared where they should
be?  As I recall the issue I had (and the speaker at the event I mentioned)
was either custom events not appearing in the custom object's event list
(and not appearing in the property window's event list) were therefore
inaccessible.

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Yes, I have written custom controls that work in Access 97. (Not a combo box
though...)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Are you implying that you've successfully done this?  Any custom ocx I've
written (and others) don't quite work as well in Access  as VB (A97 in my
experience).  

I can't remember the shortcomings offhand but as an example, I was at an
Advisor.com event a few years back and the topic was creating custom
controls in VB6.  The speaker got bold after mentioning how this control
would work in any development tool that supported ActiveX and decided to
show us how he could drop it on an Access form and use it.  I had already
tried this bright idea and had a strong feeling it would fail and it did.  
Sorry for no details.  I guess if someone wanted I could dig up my results.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu Oct  2 19:29:23 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:29:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
In-Reply-To: <1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <022101c38945$658a5860$7d1b8a90@bbb888>

Also, ask them if they are willing to pay you 8% per day BONUS for
completion early.  When they give you the usual reply you can then start
negotiating the completion requirements - i.e. no bonus then no penalty.
Otherwise thank them for the opportunity for discussing a good example
of a win-lose negotiation technique and refer them to any of the
management skills courses offered after 1640.

Bruce

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 6:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


Hi Hadyn

This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
its own has some value though not being an agreement.

I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as these
are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or the client
carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.

Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3% or
8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the specs
(do include a list of these in the final agreement) should release this
penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling errors in menu items
and the like. 

Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly what
is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the same
amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of, say, one
week per approval after which your app will be regarded as approved
whether the client has signed or not.

/gustav


> When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 
> 'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and

> now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't 
> deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of 
> project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are 
> late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and 
> have suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be 
> allowed to charge them for the extra time.

> Any thoughts?

> Kind regards
> Hadyn

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu Oct  2 19:34:22 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:34:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
In-Reply-To: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFICLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
Message-ID: <022201c38946$17fabc10$7d1b8a90@bbb888>

This may help, see especially the reference to C3 in the wiki
www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html

Rgrds
Bruce

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec.  We have
spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost.  It is based on a web
application that was built and paid for on an hourly basis, because
again they did not want to pay for a spec.  ~40% of the cost of it could
have been avoided on the stuff they requested then changed their minds
about.

They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
would like to keep them as a client.  Then again I don't want to be
royally screwed either :(

Hadyn

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 1999 be
damned.

IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses before
defining what it is the developer is supposed to be developing is a
client looking to screw a developer and get something for nothing. This
is a HUGE red flag.

-Christopher-

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400

>Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk away from a
>client like this?
>
>BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
>contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I can't get 
>out of it, a little networking)
>
>Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
>
>As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in writing ... I 
>have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old system's data
>because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
>and
>they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
>...
>This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
>keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
>... As
>long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though,
>since
>they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
>stops"
>when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
>whatever.
>Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
>you
>could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
>the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
>this
>contract", for example).
>
>Hth,
>Steve
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
>
>
>When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 
>'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and
>now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
>deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
>project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
>late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
>have
>suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
>allowed
>to charge them for the extra time.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Kind regards
>Hadyn
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 19:38:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:38:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)
References: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE5@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <003301c38946$9e338b40$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)David

...rather than write a tome on what you are and are not doing, please go to www.colbyconsulting.com and dl JC's JIT sample db ...its documented pretty well ...each of us has their own flavor of this but JC's will get you on a much faster path ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Fenton 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:56 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)


  Charlotte and William, you have both got me thinking! 

  Yes I do use the Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource). 

  When the user clicks on each tab I assign an SQL string to the recordsource of the subforms under that tabb, the form opens the record source and each child subform does it's master/child filtering. All is well, but it IS slow. Is this the accepted way to do it? Because if you are saying it should be faster, then I'd like to do it properly so that it IS faster on my application. I must be doing something wrong.

  A sample of my code:

    .

          Case 6   ' Transfers IN

          'Simple procedure to remove recordsources from forms hidden when user leaves previous tab

                  ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferOUT.Form)

                  ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsOUT.Form)

                  ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsIN.Form)

          'Set up the recordsource strings for the three visible subforms (master and two children)

              Dim rsIN As String 'Master subform recordsource

          Dim rsINfromDetails As String  'child 1 subform recordsource

          Dim rsINtoDetails As String 'child 2 subform recordsource

          'Assign the strings to the variables

      rsIN = "SELECT tbl_Transfer.Trf_ID AS TransferID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Num AS TrfNumber, 

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Printed AS Printed, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Date AS DateIssued, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Description,

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_out AS fromEnrolID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_in AS toEnrolID, 

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Amount AS AmtTransferred FROM tbl_Transfer;"

          rsINfromDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsOUT"

          rsINtoDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsIN"

      

          'Assign recordsources to the three subforms under tab user just clicked on

          mainTrfINfrm.RecordSource = rsIN    'Where mainTrfINform is a form object previously set

          detailTrfINfrom.RecordSource = rsINfromDetails

          detailTrfINto.RecordSource = rsINtoDetails

          etc..

  Any ideas?

  Cheers
  David ????
  Ext 0751 

  Your messages:

  Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:31:12 -0700

  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

          <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

  Message-ID:

          <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312342 at infoserver01.infostat.local>

  Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

  Why are they waiting for records to be filtered?  Aren't you also setting the master and child links for the subforms?  That is generally a much faster way to filter a subform than changing the recordsource.

  Charlotte Foust

  ........................................................

  Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:26 -0400

  From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>

  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

          <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

  Message-ID: <002601c38935$321980b0$6001a8c0 at dejpolsys>

  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases...something wrong there David ...I use JIT to speed up a db, not slow it down :(((

  William Hindman



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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 19:46:56 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:46:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
Message-ID: <002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

Susan H.


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu Oct  2 20:16:26 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:16:26 +1000
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Project Official Start
Message-ID: <000001c3894b$f917b9a0$7d1b8a90@bbb888>

Woops!  Too quick on the send button.

I am currently neck deep in a consultancy project for a large company
who are looking to "shortcut" system development methods as there
current methods have become too bogged down in detail and have resulted
in a situation where the price of a development is too high because of
the development methodology, the number of people involved and the level
of detail required in every deliverable at each stage of a process that
has become soooo waterfall it's crippling.  

They however, have a good attitude to the fact that systems must be
built from a design which comes from an agreed set of requirements.  The
problem is that the process has become and end in itself - i.e. every
issue has a resolution of "follow the process" but the process itself
doesn't answer the questions:
	1) What are we trying to build
	2) How are we going to build it
	3) How long will it take

When I arrived the developers, strangely enough, are the ones that were
crying - "we don't need requirements and design documents".  After some
weeks of getting them to explain how they were going to answer the above
fundamental questions without some level of documentation and providing
them with options that may just allow that - the so called "agile"
methods like eXtreme programming and the like - we came across the
following amusing little tale: www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html

Of particular interest regarding the "don't want to pay for a spec"
clients is section 25.  However the real point of this message is the
spectacular failure of the C3 project at Chrysler - so much for extreme
programming!  The link for that story is at
http://c2.com.cgi.wiki?CthreeProjectTerminated and relates the tale of
woe (?) Kent Beck is spreading about the failure of that project and as
far as I'm concerned the failure of the "its 2 o'clock, why aren't we
coding" brigade and all their fancy ideas...

I would also like to point out to Hadyn the famous CHAOS report from The
Standish Group, which although a bit dated still is relevant regarding
the facts:
	1) MOST IT projects fail - in their study in 1996 only 26% of
projects completed on time and within budget.
	2) A significant number of the failures were due to REQUIREMENTS
related aspects, such as "unclear requirements", "incomplete
requirements", "realistic expectations", "clear vision and objectives".
(these total around a third of the cited primary failure reasons)

I would like to include the site for the "Chaos report" but I cant find
it.

Hth
Bruce



-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 10:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


This may help, see especially the reference to C3 in the wiki
www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html

Rgrds
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec.  We have
spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost.  It is based on a web
application that was built and paid for on an hourly basis, because
again they did not want to pay for a spec.  ~40% of the cost of it could
have been avoided on the stuff they requested then changed their minds
about.

They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
would like to keep them as a client.  Then again I don't want to be
royally screwed either :(

Hadyn

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 1999 be
damned.

IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses before
defining what it is the developer is supposed to be developing is a
client looking to screw a developer and get something for nothing. This
is a HUGE red flag.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: Developer at ultradnt.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400

>Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk away from a

>client like this?
>
>BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
>contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I can't get
>out of it, a little networking)
>
>Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
>
>As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in writing ... I
>have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old system's data
>because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
>and
>they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
>...
>This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
>keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
>... As
>long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though,
>since
>they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
>stops"
>when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
>whatever.
>Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
>you
>could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
>the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
>this
>contract", for example).
>
>Hth,
>Steve
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
>
>
>When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said
>'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and
>now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
>deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
>project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
>late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
>have
>suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
>allowed
>to charge them for the extra time.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Kind regards
>Hadyn
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 20:32:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:32:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: <000001c3894b$f917b9a0$7d1b8a90@bbb888>
Message-ID: <000801c3894e$3f6dca00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

http://www.standishgroup.com/chaos/toc.php

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: "'AccessD'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:16 PM
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Project Official Start


> Woops!  Too quick on the send button.
> 
> I am currently neck deep in a consultancy project for a large company
> who are looking to "shortcut" system development methods as there
> current methods have become too bogged down in detail and have resulted
> in a situation where the price of a development is too high because of
> the development methodology, the number of people involved and the level
> of detail required in every deliverable at each stage of a process that
> has become soooo waterfall it's crippling.  
> 
> They however, have a good attitude to the fact that systems must be
> built from a design which comes from an agreed set of requirements.  The
> problem is that the process has become and end in itself - i.e. every
> issue has a resolution of "follow the process" but the process itself
> doesn't answer the questions:
> 1) What are we trying to build
> 2) How are we going to build it
> 3) How long will it take
> 
> When I arrived the developers, strangely enough, are the ones that were
> crying - "we don't need requirements and design documents".  After some
> weeks of getting them to explain how they were going to answer the above
> fundamental questions without some level of documentation and providing
> them with options that may just allow that - the so called "agile"
> methods like eXtreme programming and the like - we came across the
> following amusing little tale: www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html
> 
> Of particular interest regarding the "don't want to pay for a spec"
> clients is section 25.  However the real point of this message is the
> spectacular failure of the C3 project at Chrysler - so much for extreme
> programming!  The link for that story is at
> http://c2.com.cgi.wiki?CthreeProjectTerminated and relates the tale of
> woe (?) Kent Beck is spreading about the failure of that project and as
> far as I'm concerned the failure of the "its 2 o'clock, why aren't we
> coding" brigade and all their fancy ideas...
> 
> I would also like to point out to Hadyn the famous CHAOS report from The
> Standish Group, which although a bit dated still is relevant regarding
> the facts:
> 1) MOST IT projects fail - in their study in 1996 only 26% of
> projects completed on time and within budget.
> 2) A significant number of the failures were due to REQUIREMENTS
> related aspects, such as "unclear requirements", "incomplete
> requirements", "realistic expectations", "clear vision and objectives".
> (these total around a third of the cited primary failure reasons)
> 
> I would like to include the site for the "Chaos report" but I cant find
> it.
> 
> Hth
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
> Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 10:34 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> This may help, see especially the reference to C3 in the wiki
> www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html
> 
> Rgrds
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 2:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec.  We have
> spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost.  It is based on a web
> application that was built and paid for on an hourly basis, because
> again they did not want to pay for a spec.  ~40% of the cost of it could
> have been avoided on the stuff they requested then changed their minds
> about.
> 
> They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
> would like to keep them as a client.  Then again I don't want to be
> royally screwed either :(
> 
> Hadyn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
> Hawkins
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 1999 be
> damned.
> 
> IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses before
> defining what it is the developer is supposed to be developing is a
> client looking to screw a developer and get something for nothing. This
> is a HUGE red flag.
> 
> -Christopher-
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: Developer at ultradnt.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400
> 
> >Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk away from a
> 
> >client like this?
> >
> >BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
> >contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I can't get
> >out of it, a little networking)
> >
> >Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
> >
> >As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in writing ... I
> >have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old system's data
> >because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
> >and
> >they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
> >...
> >This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
> >keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
> >... As
> >long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though,
> >since
> >they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
> >stops"
> >when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
> >whatever.
> >Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
> >you
> >could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
> >the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
> >this
> >contract", for example).
> >
> >Hth,
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
> >To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> >
> >
> >When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said
> >'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and
> >now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
> >deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
> >project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
> >late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
> >have
> >suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
> >allowed
> >to charge them for the extra time.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Kind regards
> >Hadyn
> >
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Fri Oct  3 00:28:01 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:58:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
References: <002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <002101c3896f$596e1e70$e3edf73d@winxp>

Susan,

    Let the table T_Books consist of fields Author(text), Title(text) and RefDate(date type). Both the following statements will append a record having Null value in the date field -

    (a) If default value of RefDate is not Null -
        DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                "(Author, Title, RefDate)  " & _
                "Values('AAA',  'TTT' , Null) ;"

    (b) If default value of RefDate is already set as Null -    
        DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
            "(Author, Title)  " & _
            "Values('AAA',  'TTT') ;"

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
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  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 06:16
  Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


  I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
  appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
  no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

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From liam at energyexhausts.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 01:23:15 2003
From: liam at energyexhausts.co.uk (Liam Meadows)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:23:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MDB vs SQL ODBC
Message-ID: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB782@energys1.energy.local>

Hi All
Just a quick Question, Am I right in thinking that if you use an Access
MDB with FE/BE over a network the Front End has to pull the Back End
over to the local machine then action it ?
If so does an SQL Server ODBC Back End Behave in the same way ?

Regards

Liam

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct  3 01:25:23 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:25:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDB vs SQL ODBC
In-Reply-To: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB782@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <3F7DA2F3.24241.54291A5B@localhost>

On 3 Oct 2003 at 7:23, Liam Meadows wrote:

> Hi All
> Just a quick Question, Am I right in thinking that if you use an Access
> MDB with FE/BE over a network the Front End has to pull the Back End
> over to the local machine then action it ?
> If so does an SQL Server ODBC Back End Behave in the same way ?
> 

It behaves the same way if you just link the tables and manipulate the 
data in your front end using standard queries, recordsets etc

The big advantage of SQL Server is that you can use Views and Stored 
Procedures. In that case, the work is done by the BE and all that gets 
sent over the network is the result set


-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Oct  3 04:13:00 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:13:00 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] A97 OpenRecordSet
Message-ID: <52339DF8DCA2A544AF660C8217EB7DCD0227F283@MAILGATE.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

When you open a DAO recordset

Set rs=db.OpenRecordSet(MySQL,dbOpenDynaset,[options],[lockedits])

does anyone know the default settings for the other two parameters options
and lockedits

Many thanks

Richard


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 04:59:55 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:59:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 OpenRecordSet
Message-ID: <20031003095952.E6C722346C8@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  3 05:28:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:28:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MDB vs SQL ODBC
In-Reply-To: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB782@energys1.energy.local>
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB782@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <8912798262.20031003122806@cactus.dk>

Hi Liam

> Just a quick Question, Am I right in thinking that if you use an Access
> MDB with FE/BE over a network the Front End has to pull the Back End
> over to the local machine then action it ?

No, only data needed are retrieved. What data is needed is strongly
dependant of what data you request and which indexes you have built.

/gustav


From askolits at ot.com  Fri Oct  3 06:20:06 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:20:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFEEMBDEAA.askolits@ot.com>

Bericht Shell with regserv32" That does in fact work but this is cleaner.
On occasion I have had problems with it not registering the dll. I never
figured out why. This worked. So I rather than spend a lot of time figuring
it out,
I just use this code. The other nice thing is this will tell me if the
registration was successful. I never figured out how to get the 'shell'
command to do that.
There probably is an obvious answer to that but I never saw it.

John


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:41 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


  should that not be regsvr32 ???
  I always used this.
    -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
    Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Skolits
    Verzonden: donderdag 2 oktober 2003 20:25
    Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


    Here ya' go. Found this on the web. To use it, just paste all the code
below the line into a module. Then, run the code:

    call RegDLL("c:\winnt\system32\COMDLG32.OCX",TRUE).

    You can put any dll file in there you want. Include the path.

    Place a true or false in there if you want a message box to show up.

    John Skolits
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  3 07:49:08 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:49:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE2@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEEMHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databasesDavid,

  The table reference limit is 2048 for JET 3.6 and up.  See my earlier
post.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:18 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


  Thanks for your feedback and advice John. The MVPS article (although
referring to ACC97) indirectly led me to believe that Jet 3.6 allowed 2048
references since the old Jet allowed 1024. Given what you have mentioned, I
would be most definitely over the 128 limit then. I have tried the ?Just in
time? method and have found it to be painfully slow. The user clicks on a
tab and has to wait for the records to be filtered into the subform. I put
the recordsource SQL string in a Case statement linked to the tab control.
Perhaps I need to review the filtering or something.


  Cheers
  David ????
  Brisbane

  Australia


  Your message was:

  Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:30:02 -0400

  From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

          <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

  Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBFDAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at
least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos,
lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran
into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

  One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on
the tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on
and unload them as the next tab is clicked on. John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From liam at energyexhausts.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 08:04:35 2003
From: liam at energyexhausts.co.uk (Liam Meadows)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:04:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
Message-ID: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>

Bit light on post's today or is it just me ?
 
Also
 
What would be the best way to do a scrolling marquee kind of thin in an
access form, like a ticker news thingy ?
 
Liam
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct  3 08:13:05 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 08:13:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: A97 OpenRecordSet
In-Reply-To: <200310030913.h939Dpe26181@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003080908.0254a888@pop3.highstream.net>

Direct from HELP (MSA 2002):

Settings
You can use one of the following constants for the type argument.
ConstantDescription
dbOpenTableOpens a table-type Recordset object (Microsoft Jet workspaces 
only).
dbOpenDynamicOpens a dynamic-type Recordset object, which is similar to an 
ODBC dynamic cursor. (ODBCDirect workspaces only)
dbOpenDynasetOpens a dynaset-type Recordset object, which is similar to an 
ODBC keyset cursor.
dbOpenSnapshotOpens a snapshot-type Recordset object, which is similar to 
an ODBC static cursor.
dbOpenForwardOnly Opens a forward-only-type Recordset object.
Note If you open a Recordset in a Microsoft Jet workspace and you don't 
specify a type, OpenRecordset creates a table-type Recordset, if possible. 
If you specify a linked table or query, OpenRecordset creates a 
dynaset-type Recordset. In an ODBCDirect workspace, the default setting is 
dbOpenForwardOnly.
You can use a combination of the following constants for the options argument.
ConstantDescription
dbAppendOnlyAllows users to append new records to the Recordset, but 
prevents them from editing or deleting existing records (Microsoft Jet 
dynaset-type Recordset only).
dbSQLPassThroughPasses an SQL statement to a Microsoft Jet-connected ODBC 
data source for processing (Microsoft Jet snapshot-type Recordset only).
dbSeeChangesGenerates a run-time error if one user is changing data that 
another user is editing (Microsoft Jet dynaset-type Recordset only). This 
is useful in applications where multiple users have simultaneous read/write 
access to the same data.
dbDenyWritePrevents other users from modifying or adding records (Microsoft 
Jet Recordset objects only).
dbDenyReadPrevents other users from reading data in a table (Microsoft Jet 
table-type Recordset only).
dbForwardOnlyCreates a forward-only Recordset (Microsoft Jet snapshot-type 
Recordset only). It is provided only for backward compatibility, and you 
should use the dbOpenForwardOnly constant in the type argument instead of 
using this option.
dbReadOnlyPrevents users from making changes to the Recordset (Microsoft 
Jet only). The dbReadOnly constant in the lockedits argument replaces this 
option, which is provided only for backward compatibility.
dbRunAsyncRuns an asynchronous query (ODBCDirect workspaces only).
dbExecDirectRuns a query by skipping SQLPrepare and directly calling 
SQLExecDirect (ODBCDirect workspaces only). Use this option only when 
you?re not opening a Recordset based on a parameter query. For more 
information, see the "Microsoft ODBC 3.0 Programmer?s Reference."
dbInconsistentAllows inconsistent updates (Microsoft Jet dynaset-type and 
snapshot-type Recordset objects only).
dbConsistentAllows only consistent updates (Microsoft Jet dynaset-type and 
snapshot-type Recordset objects only).
Note The constants dbConsistent and dbInconsistent are mutually exclusive, 
and using both causes an error. Supplying a lockedits argument when options 
uses the dbReadOnly constant also causes an error.
You can use the following constants for the lockedits argument.
ConstantDescription
dbReadOnlyPrevents users from making changes to the Recordset (default for 
ODBCDirect workspaces). You can use dbReadOnly in either the options 
argument or the lockedits argument, but not both. If you use it for both 
arguments, a run-time error occurs.
dbPessimisticUses pessimistic locking to determine how changes are made to 
the Recordset in a multiuser environment. The page containing the record 
you're editing is locked as soon as you use the Edit method (default for 
Microsoft Jet workspaces).
dbOptimisticUses optimistic locking to determine how changes are made to 
the Recordset in a multiuser environment. The page containing the record is 
not locked until the Update method is executed.
dbOptimisticValueUses optimistic concurrency based on row values 
(ODBCDirect workspaces only).
dbOptimisticBatchEnables batch optimistic updating (ODBCDirect workspaces 
only).
Remarks
In a Microsoft Jet workspace, if object refers to a QueryDef object, or a 
dynaset- or snapshot-type Recordset, or if source refers to an SQL 
statement or a TableDef that represents a linked table, you can't use 
dbOpenTable for the type argument; if you do, a run-time error occurs. If 
you want to use an SQL pass-through query on a linked table in a Microsoft 
Jet-connected ODBC data source, you must first set the Connect property of 
the linked table's database to a valid ODBC connection string. If you only 
need to make a single pass through a Recordset opened from a Microsoft 
Jet-connected ODBC data source, you can improve performance by using 
dbOpenForwardOnly for the type argument.
If object refers to a dynaset- or snapshot-type Recordset, the new 
Recordset is of the same type object. If object refers to a table-type 
Recordset object, the type of the new object is a dynaset-type Recordset. 
You can't open new Recordset objects from forward-only?type or ODBCDirect 
Recordset objects.

At 04:13 AM 10/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:13:00 +0100
>From: "Griffiths, Richard" <R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk>
>Subject: [AccessD] A97 OpenRecordSet
>To: "'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <52339DF8DCA2A544AF660C8217EB7DCD0227F283 at MAILGATE.bury.gov.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>Hi Group
>
>When you open a DAO recordset
>
>Set rs=db.OpenRecordSet(MySQL,dbOpenDynaset,[options],[lockedits])
>
>does anyone know the default settings for the other two parameters options
>and lockedits
>
>Many thanks
>
>Richard



From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri Oct  3 08:27:47 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:27:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Friday humour!  ;-)
Message-ID: <OFAFD2CF7B.009085EB-ON86256DB4.0049C6C0@cbsol.com>


Client afflictions - sound familiar?  ;-)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20030929

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20030930

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20031001

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20031002

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20031003

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions



From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Fri Oct  3 08:27:07 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:27:07 -0400 
Subject: FW: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03085CF450@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

Why are these text files being attached to some emails from this list?  I
ask because our system is set up to rescan all email when a new virus
definition update is applied, and opening these emails is delayed while they
are rescanned.  This is a pain, especially when the attachment has nothing
of value (and I include vcards with no value attachments.)
 
Christian Brock
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Thursday, 02 October 2003 15:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct  3 08:33:16 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:33:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F683@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

AFAIK it's got to do with not posting using plain text format.  I changed mine to plain text a while back and no more attachments with my posts.

HTH, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria [mailto:Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: FW: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


Why are these text files being attached to some emails from this list?  I ask because our system is set up to rescan all email when a new virus definition update is applied, and opening these emails is delayed while they are rescanned.  This is a pain, especially when the attachment has nothing of value (and I include vcards with no value attachments.)
 
Christian Brock
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Thursday, 02 October 2003 15:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


 



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  3 08:41:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:41:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F683@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEGPFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Uhhhh... this email came in with an attachment.   8-)

The contents read:

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


AFAIK it's got to do with not posting using plain text format.  I changed
mine to plain text a while back and no more attachments with my posts.
HTH,
Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
-----Original Message-----
From: Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria
[mailto:Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: FW: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


Why are these text files being attached to some emails from this list?  I
ask because our system is set up to rescan all email when a new virus
definition update is applied, and opening these emails is delayed while they
are rescanned.  This is a pain, especially when the attachment has nothing
of value (and I include vcards with no value attachments.)

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, 02 October 2003 15:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's





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contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct  3 09:01:33 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:01:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
References: <002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE>
	<002101c3896f$596e1e70$e3edf73d@winxp>
Message-ID: <007201c389b7$7a8bd230$220110ac@SUSANONE>

I tried inserting Null and it didn't seem to work -- but let me try again! ;) I want to avoid changing the actual structure, because some records will have a date, some won't -- but that is an option I've considered, but am hoping to avoid if possible. Thanks!

Susan H. 


  Susan,

      Let the table T_Books consist of fields Author(text), Title(text) and RefDate(date type). Both the following statements will append a record having Null value in the date field -

      (a) If default value of RefDate is not Null -
          DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                  "(Author, Title, RefDate)  " & _
                  "Values('AAA',  'TTT' , Null) ;"

      (b) If default value of RefDate is already set as Null -    
          DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
              "(Author, Title)  " & _
              "Values('AAA',  'TTT') ;"

  Regards,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Susan Harkins 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 06:16
    Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


    I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
    appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
    no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

    Susan H.



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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri Oct  3 09:14:24 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:14:24 -0400
Subject: Attachments was (RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's)
Message-ID: <sf7d4c13.065@cbc.ca>

Yep.  If the poster sends HTML mail to the list only then the list
fotter comes across as an attachement to the HTML mail.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> jcolby at colbyconsulting.com 03-Oct-03 9:41:05 AM >>>
Uhhhh... this email came in with an attachment.   8-)

The contents read:

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


AFAIK it's got to do with not posting using plain text format.  I
changed
mine to plain text a while back and no more attachments with my posts.
HTH,


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct  3 09:55:37 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:55:37 -0400
Subject: Follow up: Re: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
References: 	<002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE><002101c3896f$596e1e70$e3edf73d@winxp>
	<007201c389b7$7a8bd230$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <001c01c389be$6956e5c0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Thanks -- forcing the Null did work after all. I guess when I was working on it last night I just didn't follow through long enough. I tried a Date and a String variable and neither seemed to work. This morning I changed the variable to a Variant and set it to "Null" -- and it's working now. Thanks so much.

Susan H. 


  I tried inserting Null and it didn't seem to work -- but let me try again! ;) I want to avoid changing the actual structure, because some records will have a date, some won't -- but that is an option I've considered, but am hoping to avoid if possible. Thanks!

  Susan H. 

   
    Susan,

        Let the table T_Books consist of fields Author(text), Title(text) and RefDate(date type). Both the following statements will append a record having Null value in the date field -

        (a) If default value of RefDate is not Null -
            DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                    "(Author, Title, RefDate)  " & _
                    "Values('AAA',  'TTT' , Null) ;"

        (b) If default value of RefDate is already set as Null -    
            DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                "(Author, Title)  " & _
                "Values('AAA',  'TTT') ;"

    Regards,
    A.D.Tejpal
    --------------
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Susan Harkins 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 06:16
      Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


      I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
      appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
      no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

      Susan H.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 09:56:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:56:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312344@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I can't honestly say that there is a best way.  In VB, you do it with a
timer, but timers in Access are built into the forms and tend to have
annoying side effects.  Your best bet might be a third party activex
control.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Liam Meadows [mailto:liam at energyexhausts.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee


Bit light on post's today or is it just me ?
 
Also
 
What would be the best way to do a scrolling marquee kind of thin in an
access form, like a ticker news thingy ?
 
Liam

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct  3 09:58:53 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:58:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F685@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Funny I set it to plain text yet it showed up as Rich Text.  Let's see how this one makes it.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


Uhhhh... this email came in with an attachment.   8-)

The contents read:

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


AFAIK it's got to do with not posting using plain text format.  I changed
mine to plain text a while back and no more attachments with my posts.
HTH,
Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
-----Original Message-----
From: Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria
[mailto:Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: FW: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


Why are these text files being attached to some emails from this list?  I
ask because our system is set up to rescan all email when a new virus
definition update is applied, and opening these emails is delayed while they
are rescanned.  This is a pain, especially when the attachment has nothing
of value (and I include vcards with no value attachments.)

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, 02 October 2003 15:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's





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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  3 10:22:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:22:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <11130434562.20031003172203@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 10:30:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:30:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312348@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFL  Unbiased comparison indeed!  I wonder if the author ever built an
Access database.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Oct  3 10:41:13 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:41:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
In-Reply-To: <11130434562.20031003172203@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000001c389c4$c6e2bf10$de1811d8@DanWaters>

This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that Alpha-5
is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  3 10:42:50 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:42:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312348@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312348@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1431681986.20031003174250@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

I guess not. How on Earth could he/she have accomplished that?

For a further laugh - revealing another heavy competitor to Alpha,
browse this:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031005.htm

Note close to the bottom this gem which which proves that Alt+F11 was
disabled during the "test":

"Build scripts or access a full programming language to process data
and build user fully customized professional user interfaces."

/gustav


> ROTFL  Unbiased comparison indeed!  I wonder if the author ever built an
> Access database.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


> Hi all

> Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
> Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

>   http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

> /gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 10:50:01 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:50:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, but only developers know the difference!  Actually, I've had emails
from people I steered to Alpha5 because they wanted something that
anyone could build in 5 minutes and insisted Access should be able to do
it if the programmers weren't trying to keep the novices out by making
it complicated.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that
Alpha-5 is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 10:52:39 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:52:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Nothing like comparing apples to oranges, is there?   Especially when
you're colorblind and have no tastebuds!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi Charlotte

I guess not. How on Earth could he/she have accomplished that?

For a further laugh - revealing another heavy competitor to Alpha,
browse this:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031005.htm

Note close to the bottom this gem which which proves that Alt+F11 was
disabled during the "test":

"Build scripts or access a full programming language to process data and
build user fully customized professional user interfaces."

/gustav


> ROTFL  Unbiased comparison indeed!  I wonder if the author ever built 
> an Access database.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


> Hi all

> Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
> Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

>   http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

> /gustav

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  3 10:57:08 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:57:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
In-Reply-To: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEJGELAA.john@winhaven.net>

MessageLiam
I've used the FMS marquee control and it works fine on NT OSs. It also works
OK on 9x OSs but when mouse is moved irradically the speed of the marquee
changes-nothing that's a show stopper, just a bit odd. It's part of their
Total Access Components pack.

HTH
John B.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Liam Meadows
  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:05 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee


  Bit light on post's today or is it just me ?

  Also

  What would be the best way to do a scrolling marquee kind of thin in an
access form, like a ticker news thingy ?

  Liam
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct  3 11:06:32 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:06:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
In-Reply-To: <200310031543.h93Fh6e15628@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003110352.025d9e90@pop3.highstream.net>

Gee, does that mean that I can get my record of 6 hours from scratch to a 
fully working and deployed application in Access down to just over 1 hour 
if I use Alpha 5.

Now isn't that poetic.

;-))))

Robert

At 10:43 AM 10/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:30:26 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312348 at infoserver01.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>ROTFL  Unbiased comparison indeed!  I wonder if the author ever built an
>Access database.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
>
>
>Hi all
>
>Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
>Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:
>
>   http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm
>
>/gustav



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 11:11:18 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:11:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Here's a quote from a coworker after viewing the comparison:

Don't scoff!  I've heard that using Alpha can help regrow hair, build
lean muscle and melt fat away while you not program.  There are many
testimonials that people met their soul-mate and unexpectedly received 2
million dollars from a long lost relative that they didn't know they
had!  It also keeps your toaster from breaking!  Besides, it uses fonts
- can Access do that??


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Fri Oct  3 11:50:36 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:36 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
References: 	<002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE><002101c3896f$596e1e70$e3edf73d@winxp>
	<007201c389b7$7a8bd230$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <004e01c389ce$b0de41d0$18f95f3d@winxp>

Susan,

    Apparently you are yet to try out the suggestions. It would be nice if you could kindly do so and  then  confirm the outcome.

    It may kindly be noted that there is no need at all to worry about  changing the structure of data table. If you  know  that the table does not carry any default value in the date field, go for the simpler statement i.e. (b). If in any doubt, stick to the one at (a) which is effective in all cases.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 19:31
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


  I tried inserting Null and it didn't seem to work -- but let me try again! ;) I want to avoid changing the actual structure, because some records will have a date, some won't -- but that is an option I've considered, but am hoping to avoid if possible. Thanks!

  Susan H. 
   
    Susan,

        Let the table T_Books consist of fields Author(text), Title(text) and RefDate(date type). Both the following statements will append a record having Null value in the date field -

        (a) If default value of RefDate is not Null -
            DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                    "(Author, Title, RefDate)  " & _
                    "Values('AAA',  'TTT' , Null) ;"

        (b) If default value of RefDate is already set as Null -    
            DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                "(Author, Title)  " & _
                "Values('AAA',  'TTT') ;"

    Regards,
    A.D.Tejpal
    --------------
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Susan Harkins 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 06:16
      Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


      I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
      appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
      no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

      Susan H.
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From lists at theopg.com  Fri Oct  3 13:01:29 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:01:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008201c389d8$5ebcab30$6439fc3e@netboxxp>

Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that?s in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct  3 13:08:30 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:08:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F689@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that?s in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From lists at theopg.com  Fri Oct  3 13:21:43 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:21:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F689@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <008301c389db$327c83d0$6439fc3e@netboxxp>

Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that?s in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 13:30:17 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:30:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From lists at theopg.com  Fri Oct  3 13:34:11 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:34:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008401c389dc$f04f86e0$6439fc3e@netboxxp>

Great! Perfect.

Thanks very much Charlotte, have a good weekend everyone...

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:30
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Oct  3 14:27:47 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:27:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000601c389e4$6db28270$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Charlotte -

Did any of those people get back to you later?  What were their comments?

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Ah, but only developers know the difference!  Actually, I've had emails from
people I steered to Alpha5 because they wanted something that anyone could
build in 5 minutes and insisted Access should be able to do it if the
programmers weren't trying to keep the novices out by making it complicated.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that Alpha-5
is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Oct  3 14:36:33 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:36:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing a Table in an Application
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D176070AD@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi List,
Quiet day, good time to ask what is probably a simple question.  I have
a table in an application that contains information about agency
Executive Directors, Program Directors, phone numbers, etc.  This table
has a relationship with other tables.  I would like to get an updated
table every month so the info stays current.  How does one go about
replacing the old table with the new one without deleting relationships
and recreating them after importing the updated table.  I know this must
be a common task but not sure how to accomplish this.  Any ideas late on
a Friday afternoon....
TIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri Oct  3 15:06:30 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:06:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing a Table in an Application
Message-ID: <OFB89B7756.F30B7278-ON86256DB4.006E4FDD-86256DB4.006E753A@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


About ready to leave for the day but how about this series of events:

1 - Remove old information from table in db
2 - Append new data information into table in db

Just a quick thought.


                                                                                                                                 
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Hi List,
Quiet day, good time to ask what is probably a simple question.  I have a
table in an application that contains information about agency Executive
Directors, Program Directors, phone numbers, etc.  This table has a
relationship with other tables.  I would like to get an updated table every
month so the info stays current.  How does one go about replacing the old
table with the new one without deleting relationships and recreating them
after importing the updated table.  I know this must be a common task but
not sure how to accomplish this.  Any ideas late on a Friday afternoon....
TIA
Ed

Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Oct  3 15:21:11 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:21:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing a Table in an Application
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03305FA3@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Ed,
You can just delete the records from the existing table (without deleting
the table itself), then import the new records from the new table.  A simple
delete query will handle clearing out the old records.  As far as getting
the new records in, if you can link a table to the new data, an append query
will do the trick.
 
 
HTH
 
Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing a Table in an Application


Hi List,
Quiet day, good time to ask what is probably a simple question.  I have a
table in an application that contains information about agency Executive
Directors, Program Directors, phone numbers, etc.  This table has a
relationship with other tables.  I would like to get an updated table every
month so the info stays current.  How does one go about replacing the old
table with the new one without deleting relationships and recreating them
after importing the updated table.  I know this must be a common task but
not sure how to accomplish this.  Any ideas late on a Friday afternoon....
TIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct  3 17:28:39 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:28:39 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272BF@main2.marlow.com>

If you are using a shortcut, you can include a password too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 19:46:33 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:46:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <007801c38a10$ff9105f0$1b06d018@W2k>

Liam,

FWIW, here's something you could try.

1) Place an unbound Text Box on the form and name it something like txtMarquee.
2) Set the form's Timer Interval to, say, 200 milliseconds.
3) In the form's Load event procedure put this line of code:
    txtMarquee = "Eat at Joe's...Eat at Joe's...Eat at Joe's..."
4) In the form's Timer event procedure put this code:
   Dim str As String
   str = txtMarquee
   txtMarquee = Right(str, Len(str) - 1) & Left(str, 1)
5) Save and run the form.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"The press must learn that misguided use of a computer is no more amazing than drunk driving of an automobile." - Ken Thompson (co-inventor of UNIX), 1984
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 19:47:21 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:47:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312344@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <007901c38a11$13fc8820$1b06d018@W2k>

Charlotte,

>> timers in Access are built into the forms and tend to have
annoying side effects. <<

Could you elaborate on that a bit, please?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"The press must learn that misguided use of a computer is no more amazing
than drunk driving of an automobile." - Ken Thompson (co-inventor of UNIX),
1984



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  3 21:51:06 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:51:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
In-Reply-To: <007901c38a11$13fc8820$1b06d018@W2k>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEIEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

For developers the timer running in a form while you are entering code may
cause compile errors on the partially entered line of code you are typing,
will cause words in comments to lose their space between them as you are
entering them, and can cause flickering of other forms.  VBA is single
threaded, so if the code that runs in the timer takes awhile the form that
the user is working on may become unresponsive.

Etc.
Etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee


Charlotte,

>> timers in Access are built into the forms and tend to have
annoying side effects. <<

Could you elaborate on that a bit, please?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com  Sat Oct  4 07:21:32 2003
From: JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com (JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:21:32 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Access TAPI
Message-ID: <151.24db509e.2cb0154c@aol.com>

I looking for a book(s) on TAPI  in Access or VB. Any suggestions?

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct  4 08:27:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:27:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
In-Reply-To: <007801c38a10$ff9105f0$1b06d018@W2k>
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>
 <007801c38a10$ff9105f0$1b06d018@W2k>
Message-ID: <7322388963.20031004152714@cactus.dk>

Hi Liam

There was a marquee.ocx included with the old versions of Internet
Explorer, version 3 and 4 I believe, thus with Win98 and WinNT too.

Don't know, however, if it could be of any use; I have never used it
for anything.

/gustav


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct  5 10:19:52 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:19:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
References: <11130434562.20031003172203@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002201c38b54$201b0020$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...this guy's nose must be five times as long as Pinocchio's :))))))

...obviously written by used car salesmen who wouldn't recognize an Access
VBE window if they slammed their heads through it :)

William Hindman
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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


> Hi all
>
> Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
> Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:
>
>   http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm
>
> /gustav
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct  5 10:27:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:27:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>
	<007801c38a10$ff9105f0$1b06d018@W2k> <7322388963.20031004152714@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000401c38b55$3fa0f520$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Liam

http://www.lebans.com/hscroller.htm

...his Horizontal Scrolling Text Marquee code sample uses the API instead of
a timer or ocx ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee


> Hi Liam
>
> There was a marquee.ocx included with the old versions of Internet
> Explorer, version 3 and 4 I believe, thus with Win98 and WinNT too.
>
> Don't know, however, if it could be of any use; I have never used it
> for anything.
>
> /gustav
>
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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Sun Oct  5 20:11:57 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:11:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 
	RE: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases) -
	Thank you
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE6@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Hello Charlotte and John,

You have both solved my hassles with the Can't load anymore databases. 

I implemented JIT properly this time and it seems to have fixed the problem. When the user clicks on a tab, the unbound subform takes about a second or so to refresh itself after my code assigns the SourceObject, but the users will have to live with that.

John, I like your idea of unloading (when the user clicks on a different tab) the SourceObject from the subforms using a global sysvar and may also implement that in my application.

I am grateful for you help.

Cheers 
David ???? 
Brisbane Australia

Your messages:
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:02:12 -0700
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)

No, the fast way is to use an unbound subform control and set its sourceobject in code to a particular subform, not a bound subform control with a change to the recordsource.  If you use SQL strings like that, it means that the SELECT statements are not optimized in Access 2000 and 2002 and can lead to significant delays in loading the form.

Charlotte Foust


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:48:29 -0400
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)>Yes I do use the
Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms
sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource).

I think you are not using JIT at all.  JIT means that the SOURCE OBJECT
property of the subform control on a tab is empty.  IOW, if you could see
the tab, the entire subform would not be there at all, you couldn't see the
text boxes on the subform etc.

It sounds like you are saying that you have the subforms loaded, but then
load the RECORDSOURCE (DATA) to the subform?  I don't mess with the
recordsource of the subform at all under normal circumstances.  Each subform
has a recordsource that is usually a saved query.  The recoursource property
always references the query - and is saved that way, i.e. if you open the
subform in design view you would see the query name or SQL statement.  I
assign the form name to the SOURCE OBJECT property.  What this does is
actually LOAD the subform into the tab at the instant that the source object
property is set.  Since the subform has a recordsource property, it loads
its data when the form loads.

For some reason I then have to read out the Link child and master field
properties and write them right back in.

I don't know what you consider painfully slow of course but in general a
subform takes 1/2 second to one second to load.  It can be more of course
depending on how many combos and lists are on the subform - they also have
to load their data.  Of course if the subforms have tabs (Yep, I've done
that) then they are also JIT to avoid having to load all of those subforms
at one time.

The entire point of JIT subforms is to reduce load time of the parent form,
since any tab the user never clicks on never loads the subforms on that tab.
It can make a world of difference.  Bottom line, if the user is going to see
the subform, then it has to load and they have to wait for that load.  The
point is that in forms where they only NORMALLY use a few of many tabs, the
subforms on the other tabs never load so the user never has to wait for
those subforms to load.

I actually use an application global sysvar to decide whether to unload the
subforms once loaded (when the user clicks to another tab).  Sometimes it
makes sense, others it doesn't.  I then use form specific sysvars to
over-ride the global sysvar if I need a specific form to buck the global
trend.  IOW I can decide that in general, the subforms WILL unload when the
user clicks on a different tab, but for frmXXX the subforms will NOT unload.
Application SysVars are a real neat trick for customizing an app in this
manner.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
************

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct  5 21:16:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:16:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
	SysVars - was: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases) -Thank you
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE6@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOELEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

David,

Yes, the short load time as the tab is clicked on is simply the result of
not suffering that load time when the form first opens.  Either way the user
has to wait, up front or if they use a tab.

As for the Sysvars...

As the list old-timers know, I use a framework to speed my development time.
I have a class for each control that Access offers, which means I have a
class for the tab control, the subform control, the combo, list text box
etc.  And of course all of these control / form classes sink the events that
the control generates so that the class handles all generic event
processing - Withevents.  In addition I have other   classes such as a
SysVar class, which BTW you can find the basis of in the articles I wrote
for Database Advisors.

My tab control is what implements the JIT functionality for me.  IOW, the
tab class sinks the click event.  It determines if the user has just moved
to another tab, and if so it asks the parent form class if it is supposed to
use JIT - in fact it asks this at class load time.  The parent form has
loaded a Sysvar that says whether the application in general uses JIT, if
so, does it unload the subform as the user clicks off the tab.  However the
form can also look for and find SysVars SPECIFIC TO ITSELF that over-rides
the generic behavior.

IOW:

gJITSFrms		true	Global Just In Time SubFrms.  True = turn on JIT subforms,
False = turn them off.
gJITSFrmUnload	False	Global - True means unload JIT subforms when you tab
away from the tab.  False means once loaded, leave them loaded

However each form class (as it loads) looks for a sysvar with its name
embedded in the sysvar that over-rides the application wide preferences.

fJITSFrmUnloadtfrmEmployee	True	Local - True means FOR THIS FORM... unload
JIT subforms when you tab away from the tab.  False means once loaded, leave
them loaded

The g prefix in the sysvar name means that is the global behavior.  A f
prefix means that this behavior over-rides the global behavior only for the
form whose name is embedded in the SysVar.

This allows me to have a set of SysVars (a SysVar table) for my framework
that resides out in my framework library - called usystblFWSysVars.  That is
loaded first, and sets up the framework to work a "default" way.  IF I wish
to do so, I then add usystblFEFWSysVars - notice it is the same name with FE
embedded in there.  This table physically resides in the FE itself and I can
place any or all of the exact same name SysVars in this table but with a
value different from the one residing in the Framework library.  The load
order is Lib table then FE table, with the value in the FE table over-riding
(overwriting the value) from the framework library table if it exists in the
FE.  Same SysVar name, different value, loaded last, overrides the original.
Thus each FE can decide that the default functionality of the framework
should differ.

Of course the values specific to forms then override the values generic to
the FE or the framework.  The form specific values are searched for and
loaded BY THE FORM CLASS as the form loads, whereas the global SysVars, both
Framework and FE are loaded as the FE opens.

Because of the fact that the last value loaded into the class overwrites any
previous value loaded, and because the control / form class knows how to use
any generic sysvar but also look for the control or form name in the SysVar
name and use that to overwrite the generic SysVar, I can overload ANY
Sysvar, ANY behavior, on a case by case, form by form, control by control
basis.  Thus the app for company A can be completely generic, whereas the
App for company B can be customized to a T, all by doing nothing more than
throwing in a bunch of Sysvars into the FE sysvar table with object names
embedded in (at the end of) the SysVar name.

I have even toyed with the idea of setting up a USER LEVEL over-ride to
allow each user to decide whether they want the behavior, but I decided that
would be a dangerous thing to do.

OK, I've no doubt bored you to tears, but if you are thinking of using
SysVars, think about how to allow turning on / off functionality at the
library level.  Once you can do that, allow over-riding that in each app,
then once that works, allow over-riding that for any given control / form.

Works great, and makes application customization a snap.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 9:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
databases) -Thank you


Hello Charlotte and John,

You have both solved my hassles with the Can't load anymore databases.

I implemented JIT properly this time and it seems to have fixed the problem.
When the user clicks on a tab, the unbound subform takes about a second or
so to refresh itself after my code assigns the SourceObject, but the users
will have to live with that.

John, I like your idea of unloading (when the user clicks on a different
tab) the SourceObject from the subforms using a global sysvar and may also
implement that in my application.

I am grateful for you help.

Cheers
David ????
Brisbane Australia





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct  6 01:06:13 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:06:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0BD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

U can use msacces.Exe "MyDB.MDB" /USER %USERNAME% to start access with
the network user account.
U must have windows NT/2K or XP for this.
The network acccount must also be in the workgroup file.

U can also use "%HOMEDRIVE%\MyFolder\Mydb.mdb" if you put a front end in
the homefolder of the user.

Again, only for NT/2K and XP

The workgroup file you can specify also at command lie option or in a
ini file located int he same folder as the app.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Dan Waters
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 oktober 2003 21:28
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Charlotte -

Did any of those people get back to you later?  What were their
comments?

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Ah, but only developers know the difference!  Actually, I've had emails
from people I steered to Alpha5 because they wanted something that
anyone could build in 5 minutes and insisted Access should be able to do
it if the programmers weren't trying to keep the novices out by making
it complicated.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that
Alpha-5 is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 01:33:56 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:33:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272BF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002601c38bd3$d1695f50$298e6351@netboxxp>

Thanks Drew

Mark

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 03 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


If you are using a shortcut, you can include a password too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct  6 05:47:40 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:47:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9700@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

U can use msacces.Exe "MyDB.MDB" /USER %USERNAME% to start access with
the network user account. U must have windows NT/2K or XP for this. The
network acccount must also be in the workgroup file.

U can also use "%HOMEDRIVE%\MyFolder\Mydb.mdb" if you put a front end in
the homefolder of the user.

Again, only for NT/2K and XP

The workgroup file you can specify also at command lie option or in a
ini file located int he same folder as the app.

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Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks Drew

Mark

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 03 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


If you are using a shortcut, you can include a password too.

Drew

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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:30 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

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Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Oct  6 06:46:10 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:46:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
Message-ID: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
'drop' it onto a form
The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to create
a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know

So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.

Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?

Many thanks
Darren




From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 08:03:42 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
In-Reply-To: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <20031006130342.71497.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com>

Just curious....
 
Why can't you use a subform control?


Darren DICK <d.dick at uws.edu.au> wrote:
Hello all
I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
'drop' it onto a form
The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to create
a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know

So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.

Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?

Many thanks
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From Goran.Pajnic at skanska.se  Mon Oct  6 08:52:54 2003
From: Goran.Pajnic at skanska.se (Pajnic, Goran)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:52:54 +0200 
Subject: SV: [AccessD] Syntax problem in Access 2000
Message-ID: <7E990A94B715D5119B0400B0D068C13B02DB303E@swe12.data.skanska.se>

Hej p? Dig Liz!

Excuse me for delay. I was out of office in two weeks.
I have changed our code according to your suggestion and moved the code to a
public module. It worked very well.

The problem was that this application is an very old and advanced
application created of an developer who doesn't work for us any more and I
didn't feel like to change much in his code but now it works.

Thank you very much for your help.

H?lsningar
Goran

>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Fr?n: Liz Doering [mailto:liz at symphonyinfo.com]
>Skickat: den 30 september 2003 16:28
>Till: goran.pajnic at skanska.se
>?mne: RE: [AccessD] Syntax problem in Access 2000
>
>
>Did you get it figured out?
>
>Liz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Liz Doering [mailto:liz at symphonyinfo.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:30 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Syntax problem in Access 2000
>
>
>Hej p? dig, Goran!
>
>One form can't see the code associated with another form.
>
>If you move the code you want to run to a public module, you 
>will be able to
>call it from anywhere in your application.
>
>So instead of
>
>Private Sub cmdUpdate_Click()
>'do some stuff here
>End Sub
>
>You'll have in a module
>
>Public Sub UpdateRoutine()
>'do your same stuff here
>End Sub
>
>and, on form X
>
>Private Sub cmdUpdate_Click()
>Call UpdateRoutine
>End Sub
>
>and, on form Y
>
>Private Sub Form_Close()
>Call UpdateRoutine
>End Sub
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Liz Doering
>Symphony Information Services
>liz at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pajnic, Goran
>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:02 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: [AccessD] Syntax problem in Access 2000
>
>
>
>Hi group!
>
>Greetings from Sweden!
>
>Syntax problem in Access 2000:
>
>I have a forms called x and y.
>The form X is open and the form Y is open too. On the form X I 
>have a button
>called "cmdUpdate" and some code in On click property for this button -
>cmdUpdate_Click(), in other words. When I close Y (On Close) I will run
>cmdUpdate_Click().
>
> I can't get this work...some suggestions?
>
>Thanks
>
>Goran Pajnic
>Skanska IT Solutions AB
>205 33 MALM?
>Sweden
>e-mail: goran.pajnic at skanska.se
> <http://www.itsolutions.skanska.com/> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 09:44:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:44:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEMGFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Mon Oct  6 09:51:35 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:51:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form and Control Size in Pixels
Message-ID: <sf814946.078@cbc.ca>

In A2K, is there anyway to change the properties sheet to display forma
nd size information in pixels and not inches?

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Oct  6 09:54:40 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:54:40 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29632@nnse14.nns.com>

Would they accept the default set to =date()?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 10:11:08 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:11:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEMGFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c38c1c$11d76e90$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Can you use the OnChange event of the date text box to see if they've
entered a valid date and month yet and then help them fill in the year?

Or in the GotFocus event if the current date is blank fill it in with four
blanks and an '03' then set SelStart to zero?

Rocky

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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:44 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


> I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
> understand this as I personally hate them, but...
>
> What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
> year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
> filled in.
>
> Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 10:30:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:30:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29632@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMKFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Would they accept the default set to =date()?

Where logical I do that, however in these cases they are entering dates out
in the future or in the past.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


Would they accept the default set to =date()?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  6 10:32:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:32:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The one I was really thinking of kept emailing me for awhile, trying to
get me to admit Access could be automated to do what he wanted.  I
finally just blocked his emails.  I have no idea whether he tried
anything else.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Charlotte -

Did any of those people get back to you later?  What were their
comments?

Dan


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Foust
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Ah, but only developers know the difference!  Actually, I've had emails
from people I steered to Alpha5 because they wanted something that
anyone could build in 5 minutes and insisted Access should be able to do
it if the programmers weren't trying to keep the novices out by making
it complicated.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that
Alpha-5 is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Oct  6 10:32:15 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:32:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keep focus on record until valid entry
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D77F3@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

This seems like a simple task.

I have a continuous form with the following fields:
[AcctNum],[Charges],[Payments],[Balance].

I do not want the user to be able to move off of the record if [Balance]
<> [Charges]-[Payments].

I put the following code in the AfterUpdate event of the [Balance]
field:

If Me.Balance <> (Nz(Me.Charges) - Nz(Me.Payments)) Then

   MsgBox "Current Balance does not equal Total Charges minus
Payments.", vbCritical, "Error"

   Me.Balance.SetFocus

End If

I receive the message box, but the focus automatically moves to the next
record.

How can I keep the focus on the current record?  I tried moving the code
to the BeforeUpdate event, but the same results.

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Oct  6 10:43:19 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:43:19 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03305FAA@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

When I've had this sort of request in the past, I use separate text boxes
for the parts of the date (ie one for mm, one for dd, and one for year).
Default the year box to the current year, then after the month and day have
been filled in, concatenate and convert the field values into a date format
and store that value in the actual date field.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:44 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  6 10:54:32 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:54:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Keep focus on record until valid entry
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D77F3@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D77F3@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <733434566.20031006175432@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

You should be able to set Cancel = True in the Before Update event.
If not for the control, you can do for the form.

/gustav


> This seems like a simple task.

> I have a continuous form with the following fields:
> [AcctNum],[Charges],[Payments],[Balance].

> I do not want the user to be able to move off of the record if [Balance]
> <> [Charges]-[Payments].

> I put the following code in the AfterUpdate event of the [Balance]
> field:

> If Me.Balance <> (Nz(Me.Charges) - Nz(Me.Payments)) Then

>    MsgBox "Current Balance does not equal Total Charges minus
> Payments.", vbCritical, "Error"

>    Me.Balance.SetFocus

> End If

> I receive the message box, but the focus automatically moves to the next
> record.

> How can I keep the focus on the current record?  I tried moving the code
> to the BeforeUpdate event, but the same results.


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Oct  6 10:57:57 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:57:57 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29633@nnse14.nns.com>

I realize that this approach is not ideal, however the ease of this solution
may outweigh the elegance given that it does achieve the end goal...filling
in the current year.  I liken it to a combo-box that is defaulted to the
first entry...in most every case you are going to type right over it anyway,
but that doesn't stop people from using it.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


>Would they accept the default set to =date()?

Where logical I do that, however in these cases they are entering dates out
in the future or in the past.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


Would they accept the default set to =date()?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Oct  6 11:00:13 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:00:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keep focus on record until valid entry
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1896BF@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Perfect!
Thanks Gustav.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keep focus on record until valid entry

Hi Mark

You should be able to set Cancel = True in the Before Update event.
If not for the control, you can do for the form.

/gustav


> This seems like a simple task.

> I have a continuous form with the following fields:
> [AcctNum],[Charges],[Payments],[Balance].

> I do not want the user to be able to move off of the record if
[Balance]
> <> [Charges]-[Payments].

> I put the following code in the AfterUpdate event of the [Balance]
> field:

> If Me.Balance <> (Nz(Me.Charges) - Nz(Me.Payments)) Then

>    MsgBox "Current Balance does not equal Total Charges minus
> Payments.", vbCritical, "Error"

>    Me.Balance.SetFocus

> End If

> I receive the message box, but the focus automatically moves to the
next
> record.

> How can I keep the focus on the current record?  I tried moving the
code
> to the BeforeUpdate event, but the same results.

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Oct  6 11:20:54 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:20:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
In-Reply-To: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEIFDIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Check out

http://www.devexpress.com/downloads/activex/xgrid.asp?prodid=22

Its a 3rd party product (and not cheap)but they do offer a newsgroup which
answers questions (even on the demo)

What is it that you specifically need from the data grid control that the
list box and or sub form cant do?

One of my reasons was the ability to display pictures, and to merge grouped
cells (kind of like a treeview)

HTH

David

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:46 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus


Hello all
I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
'drop' it onto a form
The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to
create
a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know

So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.

Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?

Many thanks
Darren



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  6 11:50:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 09:50:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
References: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3F819D58.4090809@shaw.ca>

I have only used  the hirearchical flexgrid control. but you should be 
able to fill it via following code
To create a udl  file if you need it, open a blank file in notepad save 
it as myudl.udl then double click in explorer.

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
  Dim cnNWind As New ADODB.Connection
   Dim rsOrders As New ADODB.Recordset

       Dim strConn As String
'set reference to ADO and/or change to OLEDB.4.00
       strConn = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.3.51;" & _
                 "Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft 
Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb;"
       'If using an Access 2000 mdb use "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"

       cnNWind.CursorLocation = adUseClient
       cnNWind.Open strConn

       rsOrders.Open "SELECT OrderID, EmployeeID, OrderDate FROM Orders", _
                     cnNWind, adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdText
       'assumes name of control DataGrid1 set recordset to control

       Set DataGrid1.DataSource = rsOrders

End Sub

Darren DICK wrote:

>Hello all
>I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
>the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
>'drop' it onto a form
>The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to create
>a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know
>
>So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.
>
>Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?
>
>Many thanks
>Darren
>
>
>
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>  
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 12:09:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:09:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENAFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know where the conditional format info is stored?  Is it a form
property?  Is there a collection somewhere?  Can it be set by code?  With
Access2K conditional formatting becomes helpful and I would like to know a
little more about how it can be utilized.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct  6 12:20:06 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:20:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENAFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002301c38c2e$17531150$42f66e51@martin1>

John

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/odc_conformat.asp


Better example

http://www.lebans.com/conditionalformatting.htm


Martin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


> Does anyone know where the conditional format info is stored?  Is it a
form
> property?  Is there a collection somewhere?  Can it be set by code?  With
> Access2K conditional formatting becomes helpful and I would like to know a
> little more about how it can be utilized.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Mon Oct  6 12:53:40 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:53:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Family Addition
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B07C8ED@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

I just wanted to thank everyone for the warm comments.  I showed them to
my wife and she was pleased/impressed with the tight community feeling
of the group.  I have mentioned this list to her on many occasions but I
think it really sank in for her this time.  Again, from my whole family,
thank you for your best wishes.
 
 

Ken Stoker

Technology Commercialization

Information Systems Administrator

PH: (509) 375-3758

FAX: (509) 375-6731

E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Stoker, Kenneth E 
	Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:11 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] New Family Addition
	
	

	Hello Everyone, 

	Today, I get to bring home my wife, Anna, and our new baby
daughter, Saoirse Ann (pronounced Seer-sha), from the hospital.  We
delivered on Sunday evening at 7:12 pm.  Saoirse is 21 in. long and 8
lbs. 8 oz.  Lots of black hair.  My wife is doing great, probably the
easiest labor we have had, she only ended up pushing for 10 min, unlike
the hours we have had with previous children.  My three children, two
daughters and one son, are excited.  I guess the hardest part we are
going to have right now is reminding them every minute for a while that
Saoirse is not a doll.

	Thank you for allowing me to share.  My work has been great
letting me take the week off and be able to continue to smile from ear
to ear for a while.

	Ken Stoker 

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct  6 12:54:24 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:54:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Date data entry
In-Reply-To: <200310061700.h96H0ae18563@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031006125149.02547080@pop3.highstream.net>

John,

Separate the data entry into 3 text boxes
enter the day, month then year with the
year defaulted to DATEPART("yyyy",date()).

That is the simplest.

Another way is to check the length of the
string for the date on keyup and fill
in the year after 4 keystrokes.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:44 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
>
>
> > I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
> > understand this as I personally hate them, but...
> >
> > What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
> > year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
> > filled in.
> >
> > Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?
> >
> > John W. Colby



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 13:12:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:12:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info
In-Reply-To: <002301c38c2e$17531150$42f66e51@martin1>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENFFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Martin,

Thanks for that, exactly what I was looking for.  It was annoying that I
could only do 3 conditions.  Now I can do more!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


John

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/ht
ml/odc_conformat.asp


Better example

http://www.lebans.com/conditionalformatting.htm


Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


> Does anyone know where the conditional format info is stored?  Is it a
form
> property?  Is there a collection somewhere?  Can it be set by code?  With
> Access2K conditional formatting becomes helpful and I would like to know a
> little more about how it can be utilized.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 13:25:06 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:25:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENFFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKENFFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Now I can do more!

Kinda!  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional format info


Martin,

Thanks for that, exactly what I was looking for.  It was annoying that I
could only do 3 conditions.  Now I can do more!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


John

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/ht
ml/odc_conformat.asp


Better example

http://www.lebans.com/conditionalformatting.htm


Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


> Does anyone know where the conditional format info is stored?  Is it a
form
> property?  Is there a collection somewhere?  Can it be set by code?  With
> Access2K conditional formatting becomes helpful and I would like to know a
> little more about how it can be utilized.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 14:47:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:47:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db (employee
pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull these images out
and store them on disk.

Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and saving
the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a link to the
image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save that path back in
another field?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 16:04:05 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:04:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because... You and
	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A9821995E@AARDBEI>
Message-ID: <000701c38c4d$61e1bc20$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open. 

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  6 16:21:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:21:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
	You andanother user are""
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312350@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What file format is the file in, 2000 or 2002?  I've heard of this
problem using XP with the 2000 format.  You may be able to convert it to
2002 format and then open it.  If you can't, you aren't any worse off.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You andanother user are""


Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open. 

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 17:13:31 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:13:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You andanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312350@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000b01c38c57$13d67110$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

2000, tried that and it didn't work, thanks anyway 

mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 06 October 2003 22:21
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You andanother user are""


What file format is the file in, 2000 or 2002?  I've heard of this
problem using XP with the 2000 format.  You may be able to convert it to
2002 format and then open it.  If you can't, you aren't any worse off.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You andanother user are""


Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open. 

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct  6 17:43:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:43:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F81B7DF.20734.8D6000@localhost>

On 6 Oct 2003 at 15:47, John Colby wrote:

> I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db
> (employee pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull
> these images out and store them on disk.
> 
> Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and
> saving the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a
> link to the image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save
> that path back in another field?

John,

Check out Stephen Lebanns site. http://www.lebans.com/oletodisk.htm

Specifically  A2KExportOLEtoJPEG.zip

I haven't used it, but it was all I could find.

I used to have a site that posted all the code in all it's gory 
details. The site I was thinking of show how to use GetChunk to get 
chunks of the OLE object.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That the easiest way for me to grow as a person is to surround myself 
with people smarter than I am.



From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Mon Oct  6 18:08:23 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:08:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RE: SysVars - was: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351142D45E@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Wow John,
Thanks heaps for your mammoth epistle. I was not bored at all. Quite fascinating reading! I will investigate further...

Cheers 
David Fenton ???? 
Brisbane Australia


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:16:35 -0400
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Subject: [AccessD] 	SysVars - was: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't
	open any more	databases) -Thank you
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOELEFDAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

David,

Yes, the short load time as the tab is clicked on is simply the result of
not suffering that load time when the form first opens.  Either way the user
has to wait, up front or if they use a tab.

As for the Sysvars...

As the list old-timers know, I use a framework to speed my development time.
I have a class for each control that Access offers, which means I have a
class for the tab control, the subform control, the combo, list text box
etc.  And of course all of these control / form classes sink the events that
the control generates so that the class handles all generic event
processing - Withevents.  In addition I have other   classes such as a
SysVar class, which BTW you can find the basis of in the articles I wrote
for Database Advisors.

<SNIP>

Works great, and makes application customization a snap.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Mon Oct  6 18:30:06 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:30:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE7@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Hello again,
I have searched archives and looked through recent newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem to hit the mark I'm after.

I found this:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/ARptTip.htm#PREVIEW
but it doesn't quite suit.

Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag. But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed' flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to sections of the report, not the entire report itself.

I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust...
Any ideas folks?
Cheers 
David ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 18:42:36 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:42:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
	You and	another user are""
References: <000701c38c4d$61e1bc20$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <017d01c38c63$85a1a4c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one that's
causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which you could
import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because... You
and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
> because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
> the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  6 19:34:29 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:34:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
References: <3F81B7DF.20734.8D6000@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F820A15.2050301@shaw.ca>

There is also this one
http://www.lebans.com/loadsavejpeg.htm

But I don't think Intel's latest version of this dll lib is free
  Version 3.0 of Intel Integrated Performance Primitives
http://developer.intel.com/software/products/ipp/ipp30/index.htm
However the old one here works fine on Win XP.


Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

>On 6 Oct 2003 at 15:47, John Colby wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db
>>(employee pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull
>>these images out and store them on disk.
>>
>>Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and
>>saving the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a
>>link to the image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save
>>that path back in another field?
>>    
>>
>
>John,
>
>Check out Stephen Lebanns site. http://www.lebans.com/oletodisk.htm
>
>Specifically  A2KExportOLEtoJPEG.zip
>
>I haven't used it, but it was all I could find.
>
>I used to have a site that posted all the code in all it's gory 
>details. The site I was thinking of show how to use GetChunk to get 
>chunks of the OLE object.
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>I've learned....
>That the easiest way for me to grow as a person is to surround myself 
>with people smarter than I am.
>
>
>  
>



From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 19:48:29 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You and	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <017d01c38c63$85a1a4c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct  6 19:50:31 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:50:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE7@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <3F829A77.17324.14E45D@localhost>

On 7 Oct 2003 at 9:30, David Fenton wrote:

> Hello again, I have searched archives and looked through recent
> newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining
> if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem
> to hit the mark I'm after. 
> 
> Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report
> has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
> printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag.
> But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not
> the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her
> mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed'
> flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print
> preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview
> page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to
> sections of the report, not the entire report itself. 
> 
The on_print event fires when the report is displayed on screen as well. 
As far as Access is concerned printing to the screen or saving the report 
to a file is the same as printing to a printer.

> I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
> putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of
> the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust... Any ideas folks? Cheers
> David ???? Brisbane Australia 
> 
The trouble with that option is that the user can still print  from the 
preview in which case the flag won't be set.

The other problem with any method of setting a flag programmatically is , 
what happens when the printer is not available/ has a paper jam/ runs out 
of paper etc. Although some printer drivers with two way communication 
can tell you some of these things, in many cases there is *no* way within 
Access to be sure that the report was in fact printed.
 




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct  6 20:03:15 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:03:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause...You
	and	another user are""
References: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <000f01c38c6e$cc6ad330$6501a8c0@user>

Mark - have you tried JetComp on it yet?

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2002/articles/acRepairDamagedDbWithJetcomp.aspx

Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MarkH 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:48 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause...You and another user are""


  Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
  same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
  particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

  Cheers

  Mark

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  - Beach Access Software
  Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
  because...You and another user are""


  Mark:

  I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
  that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
  you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

  Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
  You and another user are""


  > Hello...
  >
  > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
  >
  > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
  > process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

  > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
  >
  > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
  > objects... :O(
  >
  > Any ideas much appreciated
  >
  > mark
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Mon Oct  6 13:44:26 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:14:26 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMKFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002001c38c3a$120f4bd0$9cedf73d@winxp>

John,

    The following course of action is suggested -

    (a) Input Mask property of the text box may be set as -
            99-99-9999; ; _
    (b) The code given below may be used in the Enter and BeforeUpdate events of the text box (named TxtDt). The latter is needed in order to ensure  compliance with mm-dd-yyyy. (Had we been able to adopt 00-00-0000; ; _ as the input mask straightaway,  this validation would not have been called for).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
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Code Start
-------------
Private Sub TxtDt_Enter()
    If Len(TxtDt) > 0 Then
    Else
        TxtDt = "  -  -" & Year(Date)
        TxtDt.SelStart = 0
        TxtDt.SelLength = 0
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub TxtDt_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
    Dim TXT As String
    
    ' Replace space in TXT variable with zero length string
    TXT = Replace(TxtDt.Text, " ", "")
    If Len(TXT) > 0 And Len(TXT) < 10 Then
        MsgBox "Date And Month Parts " & _
                        "Should be Two Digits Each" & _
                        vbCrLf & "Year Part Should Be Four Digits"
        Cancel = 1
    End If
End Sub
-------------
Code End
-------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Colby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 21:00
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


  >Would they accept the default set to =date()?

  Where logical I do that, however in these cases they are entering dates out
  in the future or in the past.

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:55 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


  Would they accept the default set to =date()?



  Mark


  -----Original Message-----
  From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
  To: AccessD
  Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


  I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
  understand this as I personally hate them, but...

  What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
  year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
  filled in.

  Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You and	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <017d01c38c63$85a1a4c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  6 22:56:05 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:56:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
References: <3F829A77.17324.14E45D@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F823955.4090406@shaw.ca>

Here is some vb 6 code to monitor the print queue
with some caveats
 Microsoft print reports like word documents, may not give you correct 
no of pages.
 It only monitors the print drivers unless the print driver for that 
specific printer continuously polls the machine. You wont get info about 
paper jams or low toner. Very few low end and medium printers
do.
http://www.merrioncomputing.com/Programming/index.htm
there is a mail list at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MerrionComputing/


Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 7 Oct 2003 at 9:30, David Fenton wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hello again, I have searched archives and looked through recent
>>newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining
>>if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem
>>to hit the mark I'm after. 
>>
>>Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report
>>has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
>>printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag.
>>But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not
>>the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her
>>mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed'
>>flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print
>>preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview
>>page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to
>>sections of the report, not the entire report itself. 
>>
>>    
>>
>The on_print event fires when the report is displayed on screen as well. 
>As far as Access is concerned printing to the screen or saving the report 
>to a file is the same as printing to a printer.
>
>  
>
>>I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
>>putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of
>>the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust... Any ideas folks? Cheers
>>David ???? Brisbane Australia 
>>
>>    
>>
>The trouble with that option is that the user can still print  from the 
>preview in which case the flag won't be set.
>
>The other problem with any method of setting a flag programmatically is , 
>what happens when the printer is not available/ has a paper jam/ runs out 
>of paper etc. Although some printer drivers with two way communication 
>can tell you some of these things, in many cases there is *no* way within 
>Access to be sure that the report was in fact printed.
> 
>
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 23:17:00 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:17:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You and	another user are""
References: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <00bc01c38c89$daf0acc0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Decompile?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


> Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
> same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
> particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
> because...You and another user are""
>
>
> Mark:
>
> I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
> that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
> you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
> You and another user are""
>
>
> > Hello...
> >
> > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
> >
> > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the
> > process because you and another user are attempting to change the same
>
> > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
> >
> > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
> > objects... :O(
> >
> > Any ideas much appreciated
> >
> > mark
> >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 23:18:11 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:18:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
References: <3F829A77.17324.14E45D@localhost>
Message-ID: <00c201c38c8a$056b00e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Plus, ironically, you can't preview a report if there's no printer
installed.  I hate when that happens.

Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)


> On 7 Oct 2003 at 9:30, David Fenton wrote:
>
> > Hello again, I have searched archives and looked through recent
> > newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining
> > if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem
> > to hit the mark I'm after.
> >
> > Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report
> > has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
> > printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag.
> > But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not
> > the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her
> > mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed'
> > flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print
> > preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview
> > page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to
> > sections of the report, not the entire report itself.
> >
> The on_print event fires when the report is displayed on screen as well.
> As far as Access is concerned printing to the screen or saving the report
> to a file is the same as printing to a printer.
>
> > I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
> > putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of
> > the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust... Any ideas folks? Cheers
> > David ???? Brisbane Australia
> >
> The trouble with that option is that the user can still print  from the
> preview in which case the flag won't be set.
>
> The other problem with any method of setting a flag programmatically is ,
> what happens when the printer is not available/ has a paper jam/ runs out
> of paper etc. Although some printer drivers with two way communication
> can tell you some of these things, in many cases there is *no* way within
> Access to be sure that the report was in fact printed.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  6 23:50:19 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:50:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
References: <3F829A77.17324.14E45D@localhost>
 <00c201c38c8a$056b00e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3F82460B.5090708@shaw.ca>

I think you can with Access 2003, you get a virtual printer called 
Microsoft Document Image Writer or you could install a PDF printer 
driver. There are a couple of free ones.

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Plus, ironically, you can't preview a report if there's no printer
>installed.  I hate when that happens.
>
>Go figure.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
>
>
>  
>
>>On 7 Oct 2003 at 9:30, David Fenton wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hello again, I have searched archives and looked through recent
>>>newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining
>>>if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem
>>>to hit the mark I'm after.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report
>>>has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
>>>printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag.
>>>But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not
>>>the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her
>>>mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed'
>>>flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print
>>>preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview
>>>page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to
>>>sections of the report, not the entire report itself.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>The on_print event fires when the report is displayed on screen as well.
>>As far as Access is concerned printing to the screen or saving the report
>>to a file is the same as printing to a printer.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
>>>putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of
>>>the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust... Any ideas folks? Cheers
>>>David ???? Brisbane Australia
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>The trouble with that option is that the user can still print  from the
>>preview in which case the flag won't be set.
>>
>>The other problem with any method of setting a flag programmatically is ,
>>what happens when the printer is not available/ has a paper jam/ runs out
>>of paper etc. Although some printer drivers with two way communication
>>can tell you some of these things, in many cases there is *no* way within
>>Access to be sure that the report was in fact printed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Stuart McLachlan
>>Lexacorp Ltd
>>Application Development,  IT Consultancy
>>http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>    
>>
>
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>  
>

-- 
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Canada




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 02:26:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:26:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs before
I start applying them?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Oct  7 02:36:24 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:36:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
References: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK> <3F819D58.4090809@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <017801c38ca5$b999c220$9f449a89@DDICK>

Hi Marty et al
Just what I was looking for many thanks

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus


> I have only used  the hirearchical flexgrid control. but you should be 
> able to fill it via following code
> To create a udl  file if you need it, open a blank file in notepad save 
> it as myudl.udl then double click in explorer.
> 
> Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
>   Dim cnNWind As New ADODB.Connection
>    Dim rsOrders As New ADODB.Recordset
> 
>        Dim strConn As String
> 'set reference to ADO and/or change to OLEDB.4.00
>        strConn = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.3.51;" & _
>                  "Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft 
> Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb;"
>        'If using an Access 2000 mdb use "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
> 
>        cnNWind.CursorLocation = adUseClient
>        cnNWind.Open strConn
> 
>        rsOrders.Open "SELECT OrderID, EmployeeID, OrderDate FROM Orders", _
>                      cnNWind, adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdText
>        'assumes name of control DataGrid1 set recordset to control
> 
>        Set DataGrid1.DataSource = rsOrders
> 
> End Sub
> 
> Darren DICK wrote:
> 
> >Hello all
> >I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
> >the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
> >'drop' it onto a form
> >The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to create
> >a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know
> >
> >So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.
> >
> >Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?
> >
> >Many thanks
> >Darren
> >
> >
> >
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> >  
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 02:49:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:49:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEOIFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Oct  7 04:22:49 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:22:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F970D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thank you David
Great controls, gonna get me some...
Pretty expensive but very worth it...
 

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens David McAfee (Home)
Verzonden: maandag 6 oktober 2003 18:21
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus


Check out

http://www.devexpress.com/downloads/activex/xgrid.asp?prodid=22

Its a 3rd party product (and not cheap)but they do offer a newsgroup
which answers questions (even on the demo)

What is it that you specifically need from the data grid control that
the list box and or sub form cant do?

One of my reasons was the ability to display pictures, and to merge
grouped cells (kind of like a treeview)

HTH

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:46 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus


Hello all
I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form. the
one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you 'drop' it
onto a form The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me
I have to create a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only)
Buggered if I know

So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.

Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?

Many thanks
Darren



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  7 04:26:43 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:26:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <2510089958.20031007112643@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Although having another (broader) perspective, the PhotoTrue tool may
be useful too:

  http://www.phototrue.net/

/gustav


> I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db (employee
> pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull these images out
> and store them on disk.

> Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and saving
> the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a link to the
> image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save that path back in
> another field?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com


From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Tue Oct  7 05:10:37 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:10:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which Event opened the form?
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A08059C@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hello all,

how can a form know how it was opened, 
or rather which event was used to open the form?

for ex. cmd1_click from form1 or txt1_doubleClick from form2
both these events open form_info.

is it possible to capture the event and pass it to the form?

TIA

alun



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 05:14:35 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:14:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000401c38cbb$cf4eb240$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I've had no problems with any office xp sps JC ...working with WinXP and
W2k Server ...set a restore point before you apply just to be sure ...and
its best to dl the sp to your local disk and then apply them rather than
letting MS stream them ...otherwise, nothing I'm aware of ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:26 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


> OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
> blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
> am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
> there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
before
> I start applying them?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct  7 05:28:34 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:28:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Which Event opened the form?
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A08059C@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <3F8321F2.12949.2C42779@localhost>

On 7 Oct 2003 at 12:10, Garraway, Alun wrote:

> hello all,
> 
> how can a form know how it was opened, 
> or rather which event was used to open the form?
> 
> for ex. cmd1_click from form1 or txt1_doubleClick from form2
> both these events open form_info.
> 
> is it possible to capture the event and pass it to the form?
> 

Pass an OpenArgs argument in the Docmd.OpenForm and read it in the 
form's "On_Open"





 
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Tue Oct  7 05:43:41 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:43:41 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Which Event opened the form?
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D3F@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

BINGO :-)

tvm

alun

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McLachlan
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Oktober 2003 12:29
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Which Event opened the form?


On 7 Oct 2003 at 12:10, Garraway, Alun wrote:

> hello all,
> 
> how can a form know how it was opened, 
> or rather which event was used to open the form?
> 
> for ex. cmd1_click from form1 or txt1_doubleClick from form2
> both these events open form_info.
> 
> is it possible to capture the event and pass it to the form?
> 

Pass an OpenArgs argument in the Docmd.OpenForm and read it in the 
form's "On_Open"





 
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Support.



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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 06:05:35 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:05:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <009401c38cc2$eec185b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...one other thing ... www.woodyswatch.com ...I usually wait until he's
approved any office patch before I apply it ...he's caught a couple of real
bummers that MS subsequently fixed. :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:26 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


> OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
> blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
> am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
> there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
before
> I start applying them?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  7 08:01:29 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:01:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
	You andanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <000701c38c4d$61e1bc20$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEJJHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  That error message generally indicates that the MDB is corrupt.  Import
evetying into a new MDB container.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You andanother user are""


Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  7 08:06:43 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:06:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause...You
	and	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEJKHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours already
trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct  7 08:27:34 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:27:34 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2963E@nnse14.nns.com>

Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 08:49:14 2003
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:49:14 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Updating a table 
Message-ID: <1760BC98927AD51181A60002A51EF7315B1DA8@SUMMIT01S003>

150 records are filtered from a table (tblMyTable) which holds about 1500
records. 120 of them are selected by the User and now I must enter the
phrase "bb3" into a field called "TheField" in the table. 

Is there a way to have a Query (or code) enter this in the correct 120
records, please, gurus?

paul

Paul Rodgers
Online Strategy and e-PR
Summit Media
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 08:38:48 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:38:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2963E@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <007501c38cd8$56a3dd30$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...that was shameless :)))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


> Write a macro?
>
> ...sorry couldn't resist;)
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
> I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP.
> It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms,
reports
> etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to
VB
> at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
> single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.
>
> Anyone know how this is done?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Tue Oct  7 08:47:52 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:47:52 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Updating a table 
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D43@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

have you tried using an update query??
 
alun

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Oktober 2003 15:49
An: AccessD (E-mail)
Betreff: [AccessD] Updating a table 


150 records are filtered from a table (tblMyTable) which holds about 1500 records. 120 of them are selected by the User and now I must enter the phrase "bb3" into a field called "TheField" in the table. 

Is there a way to have a Query (or code) enter this in the correct 120 records, please, gurus?

paul

Paul Rodgers
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  7 09:01:52 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:01:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You may wish to contact Shamil or Jim Dettman - they worked with the
same task 1? years ago ... as quoted below.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-10-06 21:47

> I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db (employee
> pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull these images out
> and store them on disk.

> Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and saving
> the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a link to the
> image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save that path back in
> another field?

<quote>

  It's not much as far as technique goes.  Since the OLE wrapper is not
documented anywhere, the only way to get a graphic is through a form
control.  From there, it's either sendkeys or OLE automation to control an
app (such as MS paint) to save the file.

  If you want a copy of what I sent to Shamil, just send me an e-mail
off-list.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net


> How about a working version?<g>
>
> I'll send it along in a few minutes.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net


>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:AccessD-
>     owner at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov
>     Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:18 PM
>     To: AccessD
>     Subject: [AccessD] Getting picture part of OLE object...
>
>     Hi All,
>
> Is the subj an easy task, which solution I'm missing?
>
> - let's imagine I manually inserted a .bmp, .gif, ... picture into OLE
> field of a table.
>
> Now, I'd like to perform "stripping" everything but picture and
> saving this pictureinto a file, i.e. I need to restore the original
> picture file and I need to do that BY CODE.
>
> Is there an easy solution of the subj?
>
> TALIA for any hints,
> Shamil

</quote>


From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Tue Oct  7 10:17:52 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:17:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E0F9729@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

When I try to run the following query access displays the error message
subquery returned multiple records 

SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD
FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
WHERE (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND
((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
(T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

If I change the query to the following no records are returned

SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD
FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
WHERE (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND
((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
(T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

What am I missing here. There should be records returned. Thanks

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  7 10:30:20 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:30:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E0F9729@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References:  <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E0F9729@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <16231906549.20031007173020@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

> When I try to run the following query access displays the error message
> subquery returned multiple records 

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD
> FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
> WHERE (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> If I change the query to the following no records are returned

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD
> FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
> WHERE (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> What am I missing here. There should be records returned.

Not if sum doesn't equal one record and the remaining are all zero ...

Try this using this condition as the last in the Where clause:

  .. AND T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD IN (SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
  where USRFLD1 ="Y");

/gustav


From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Tue Oct  7 10:50:57 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:50:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3EE2@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

Tried your suggestion with no change in the result. I checked and there
are 21 records on the subject date. I want to sum the records that meet
the subquery criteria. Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records


Hi Chester

> When I try to run the following query access displays the error 
> message subquery returned multiple records

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")

> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> If I change the query to the following no records are returned

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS") AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> What am I missing here. There should be records returned.

Not if sum doesn't equal one record and the remaining are all zero ...

Try this using this condition as the last in the Where clause:

  .. AND T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD IN (SELECT BOPD from
T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
  where USRFLD1 ="Y");

/gustav

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From Tony.Yeatman at creditlyonnais.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 10:56:28 2003
From: Tony.Yeatman at creditlyonnais.co.uk (Yeatman, Tony)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:56:28 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
Message-ID: <9FBDCD9CEFBAD611AA9600B0D03E86AB02949D9F@LNN052>

Try 

(SELECT MAX(BOPD) 
	From T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
	where USRFLD1 ="Y"
	)

Tony.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com]
Sent: 07 October 2003 16:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records


Tried your suggestion with no change in the result. I checked and there
are 21 records on the subject date. I want to sum the records that meet
the subquery criteria. Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records


Hi Chester

> When I try to run the following query access displays the error 
> message subquery returned multiple records

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")

> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> If I change the query to the following no records are returned

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS") AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> What am I missing here. There should be records returned.

Not if sum doesn't equal one record and the remaining are all zero ...

Try this using this condition as the last in the Where clause:

  .. AND T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD IN (SELECT BOPD from
T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
  where USRFLD1 ="Y");

/gustav

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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Tue Oct  7 11:14:33 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:14:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3EE3@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

Bad news. Still no records returned. Thanks for the idea.
-----Original Message-----
From: Yeatman, Tony [mailto:Tony.Yeatman at creditlyonnais.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records



Try 

(SELECT MAX(BOPD) 
        From T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
        where USRFLD1 ="Y" 
        ) 

Tony. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com] 
Sent: 07 October 2003 16:51 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records 


Tried your suggestion with no change in the result. I checked and there 
are 21 records on the subject date. I want to sum the records that meet 
the subquery criteria. Thanks 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:30 AM 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records 


Hi Chester 

> When I try to run the following query access displays the error 
> message subquery returned multiple records 

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")


> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT")); 

> If I change the query to the following no records are returned 

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS") AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT")); 

> What am I missing here. There should be records returned. 

Not if sum doesn't equal one record and the remaining are all zero ... 

Try this using this condition as the last in the Where clause: 

  .. AND T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD IN (SELECT BOPD from 
T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
  where USRFLD1 ="Y"); 

/gustav 

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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Oct  7 11:35:01 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:35:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65701@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the database.
This form has a Restore Window button in the top right corner than I cannot
seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to No, the Min Max Buttons set
to None.  I have searched the Options, Tools and Help and not found anything.
Does anyone know how to remove the restore window button?  

Also, there is a Help question box that is on the Access Menu Bar.  I'd like
to remove that as well.

Thanks,

Paula Wright
Programmer/Analyst
paulawright at boddienoell.com
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Tue Oct  7 12:06:13 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1896C9@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Paula -

Try changing the form's 'Border Style' property to Dialog.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Wright [mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button

 

I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the
database.  This form has a Restore Window button in the top right corner
than I cannot seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to No, the
Min Max Buttons set to None.  I have searched the Options, Tools and
Help and not found anything.  Does anyone know how to remove the restore
window button?  

Also, there is a Help question box that is on the Access Menu Bar.  I'd
like to remove that as well. 

Thanks, 

Paula Wright 
Programmer/Analyst 
paulawright at boddienoell.com <mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com>  
(252)937-2800 ext.1355 

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 12:40:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:40:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2963E@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPJFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  7 12:50:12 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:50:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPJFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPJFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <13140298616.20031007195012@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Ask a user to show you ...

/gustav


> Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


> Write a macro?

> ...sorry couldn't resist;)


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 12:58:06 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <13140298616.20031007195012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEPKFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

rotfl.

I have to assume from the responses I am getting that no one has code (or a
macro) to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Hi John

Ask a user to show you ...

/gustav


> Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


> Write a macro?

> ...sorry couldn't resist;)

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  7 13:02:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:02:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312355@infoserver01.infostat.local>

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP. It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open
forms, reports etc.  I thought there was something that would convert
ALL the macros to VB at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the
wizard converts that single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at
once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct  7 13:20:26 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:20:26 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29643@nnse14.nns.com>

Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000/htm
l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct  7 13:58:39 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:58:39 -0700 
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C36@EXCHMAIL>

I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I guess MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only. 

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs before
I start applying them?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  7 14:16:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:16:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312357@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Facetitious??  Moi??  For shame! <G>

Charlotte Foust

PS/  The link doesn't work, at least not any more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000
/htm
l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP. It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open
forms, reports etc.  I thought there was something that would convert
ALL the macros to VB at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the
wizard converts that single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at
once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Oct  7 14:31:13 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:31:13 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E21@NT04.karta.com>


I installed Office XP Professional without any difficulty on my machine at
home.
I also have Office 2000 professional on the same machine.
HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: David McAfee [mailto:DMcAfee at haascnc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not sure
whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I guess MS
wants everyone to start using Outlook Only. 

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs before
I start applying them?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Oct  7 14:32:53 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:32:53 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E22@NT04.karta.com>


It worked for me.  I had to try it twice, but it did work.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Facetitious??  Moi??  For shame! <G>

Charlotte Foust

PS/  The link doesn't work, at least not any more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000
/htm
l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP. It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open
forms, reports etc.  I thought there was something that would convert
ALL the macros to VB at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the
wizard converts that single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at
once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct  7 14:40:35 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:40:35 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29645@nnse14.nns.com>

It should work...I did a search on your constant and worked from there to
get to the "RunCommand Method Constants" page, then copied the url from the
address window.  But, if that link didn't work for some reason, a search on
all of MSDN for "RunCommand Method Constants" should return a list of hits.
When I did the search, the seventh link down was "RunCommand Method
Constants (Microsoft Office 2000 Language Reference)".  It shows
"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/off2000/html/accstRunMethodConstant
s.asp" as the link.  The same link as below...



Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Facetitious??  Moi??  For shame! <G>

Charlotte Foust

PS/  The link doesn't work, at least not any more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000
/htm
l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jonsulli at swbell.net  Tue Oct  7 14:51:05 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:51:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP - it didn't work
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29645@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29645@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3F831929.1030309@swbell.net>

Watch for word wrap. The link begins with "http" (duh) and ends with 
"asp" a line or 2 below .  Your word wrap mileage may vary.

John Sullivan

Mitsules, Mark wrote:

>It should work...I did a search on your constant and worked from there to
>get to the "RunCommand Method Constants" page, then copied the url from the
>address window.  But, if that link didn't work for some reason, a search on
>all of MSDN for "RunCommand Method Constants" should return a list of hits.
>When I did the search, the seventh link down was "RunCommand Method
>Constants (Microsoft Office 2000 Language Reference)".  It shows
>"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/off2000/html/accstRunMethodConstant
>s.asp" as the link.  The same link as below...
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:16 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>Facetitious??  Moi??  For shame! <G>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>PS/  The link doesn't work, at least not any more.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:20 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000
>/htm
>l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>Believe me, I would (If I knew how).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>Write a macro?
>
>...sorry couldn't resist;)
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
>To: AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
>It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
>etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
>at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
>single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.
>
>Anyone know how this is done?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 15:01:52 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:01:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C36@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


> I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I guess
MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>
>
> OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
> blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
> am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
> there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
before
> I start applying them?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  7 15:03:12 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:03:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <009401c38cc2$eec185b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <3F831C00.9000409@shaw.ca>

Don't forget this. It is also a cumulative patch I believe for SP-4-5-6
Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7) for Windows XP
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6c1780c0-3f8f-4650-b6ad-11badf3f4dab&DisplayLang=en

William Hindman wrote:

>...one other thing ... www.woodyswatch.com ...I usually wait until he's
>approved any office patch before I apply it ...he's caught a couple of real
>bummers that MS subsequently fixed. :)
>
>William Hindman
><http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:26 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>
>
>  
>
>>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
>>blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
>>am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
>>there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
>>    
>>
>before
>  
>
>>I start applying them?
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct  7 15:20:46 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:20:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed
In-Reply-To: <200310070356.h973uUe21300@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007151727.025c5248@pop3.highstream.net>

David,

If you are not using an MDE you could do the following:

Right-click on the report and go to properties.
Enter No Print;No Preview in the description.
Change the description in code on the line
before opening it in Preview or Print mode.

If you need help with the code, let me know
and I will post it to the list.

I don't think you can change this property in an MDE.

Robert

At 10:56 PM 10/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:30:06 +1000
>From: "David Fenton" <dfe at nudgeeinternational.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed
>         only)
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE7 at phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hello again,
>I have searched archives and looked through recent newsgroups for Access 
>Reports and found only a few tips on determining if a report is printed 
>rather than just previewed. None of them seem to hit the mark I'm after.
>
>I found this:
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/ARptTip.htm#PREVIEW
>but it doesn't quite suit.
>
>Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report has 
>been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from 
>printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag. But 
>one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not the same 
>as printing it. She can look at the report but change her mind and NOT 
>print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed' flag to be set. I 
>guess she's after a Cancel button on the print preview. I am not aware of 
>any cancel methods on the print preview page. I know there is an OnPrint 
>event, but it seems to apply to sections of the report, not the entire 
>report itself.
>
>I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then 
>putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of the 
>report itself, but it doesn't feel robust...
>Any ideas folks?
>Cheers
>David ????
>Brisbane
>Australia



From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Oct  7 16:02:37 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:02:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
In-Reply-To: <014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C36@EXCHMAIL>
	<014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <3F8329ED.6010202@verizon.net>

Using Windows XP, and Office XP, OE is disabled, and no longer 
functions, you "MUST" use Outlook.  It may be different in W2K, but this 
is an issue in XP.  In my scenario, I've just done away w/ both clients 
and use Mozilla Thunderbird.


William Hindman wrote:

> ...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> 
> 
> 
>>I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
> 
> sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I guess
> MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
> 
>>D
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
>>To: AccessD
>>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>>
>>
>>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
>>blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
>>am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
>>there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
> 
> before
> 
>>I start applying them?
>>

-- 
-Francisco



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  7 16:02:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:02:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312358@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've got OXP on WinXP with the latest service packs and OE still shows
up as an option.  I never use it so I don't know what the symptoms of
its being unavailable would be.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


Using Windows XP, and Office XP, OE is disabled, and no longer 
functions, you "MUST" use Outlook.  It may be different in W2K, but this

is an issue in XP.  In my scenario, I've just done away w/ both clients 
and use Mozilla Thunderbird.


William Hindman wrote:

> ...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
> lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> 
> 
> 
>>I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
> 
> sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I

> guess MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
> 
>>D
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
>>To: AccessD
>>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>>
>>
>>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my 
>>eyes to blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses 
>>Office XP and I am installing it on my server so I have a place to do 
>>XP development.  Is there anything (negative) I should know about 
>>Office XP service packs
> 
> before
> 
>>I start applying them?
>>

-- 
-Francisco


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 16:14:47 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:14:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: 	<657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C36@EXCHMAIL><014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<3F8329ED.6010202@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <018b01c38d18$0972b5f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I hate to tell you different Francisco but I have WinXP, OfficeXP, and
OE6 working just fine on multiple systems on and off networks ...don't know
where the "disabled" stuff is coming from but it certainly isn't so on my
systems :))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


> Using Windows XP, and Office XP, OE is disabled, and no longer
> functions, you "MUST" use Outlook.  It may be different in W2K, but this
> is an issue in XP.  In my scenario, I've just done away w/ both clients
> and use Mozilla Thunderbird.
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>
> > ...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
> >
> > sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I
guess
> > MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
> >
> >>D
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
> >>To: AccessD
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> >>
> >>
> >>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes
to
> >>blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and
I
> >>am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.
Is
> >>there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
> >
> > before
> >
> >>I start applying them?
> >>
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Oct  7 16:28:21 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:28:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312358@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312358@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F832FF5.2050605@verizon.net>

My sister in law was using OE with her windows XP system until she 
bought OXP.  I installed it and didn't think twice, but then she called 
me the next day to comment that her email wasn't working, upon 
investigating and running a repair on IE, and even attempting to install 
the latest IE6 sp1, OE was dead, it had a ton of errors you could not 
send any email nor received them.  I then set up Outlook for retreiving 
her email and everything has worked fine.  I remember when the RC2 
release for OXP that many users commented that their OE was breaking 
upon installing OXP.

of course her copy of XP is sans sp1.

Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I've got OXP on WinXP with the latest service packs and OE still shows
> up as an option.  I never use it so I don't know what the symptoms of
> its being unavailable would be.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> 
> 
> Using Windows XP, and Office XP, OE is disabled, and no longer 
> functions, you "MUST" use Outlook.  It may be different in W2K, but this
> 
> is an issue in XP.  In my scenario, I've just done away w/ both clients 
> and use Mozilla Thunderbird.
> 
> 
> William Hindman wrote:
> 
> 
>>...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))
>>
>>William Hindman
>><http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
>>lifetime?
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
>>
>>sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I
> 
> 
>>guess MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
>>
>>
>>>D
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
>>>To: AccessD
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>>>
>>>
>>>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my 
>>>eyes to blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses 
>>>Office XP and I am installing it on my server so I have a place to do 
>>>XP development.  Is there anything (negative) I should know about 
>>>Office XP service packs
>>
>>before
>>
>>
>>>I start applying them?
>>>
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco



From lists at theopg.com  Tue Oct  7 17:43:41 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:43:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You andanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEJJHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000201c38d24$74b8e800$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Any attempt to import, compact and repair etc. all gave the same error
message. I rewrote the code :O( The database is dead... Long live the
database :O)

Thanks anyway

mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You andanother user are""


Mark,

  That error message generally indicates that the MDB is corrupt.
Import evetying into a new MDB container.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You andanother user are""


Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Oct  7 17:47:23 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:47:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause...You
	and	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c38c89$daf0acc0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
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Tried that too... Same problem. I even sent it off to a company that
claims to be able to recover 90% of corrupt databases... All they could
get to was the tables... No forms, macros or modules.

This was my first real fatality... It was rough, I rewrote the code I
lost. I am now exporting the objects more or less every time I save
them... Backup mania :O)

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 05:17
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Decompile?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
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> Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the 
> same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those 
> particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
> because...You and another user are""
>
>
> Mark:
>
> I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one 
> that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from 
> which you could import the object that's corrupted in the current 
> version?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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> Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...
> You and another user are""
>
>
> > Hello...
> >
> > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont 
> > open.
> >
> > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> > process because you and another user are attempting to change the 
> > same
>
> > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
> >
> > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> > objects... :O(
> >
> > Any ideas much appreciated
> >
> > mark
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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Oct  7 17:48:37 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:48:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
	processbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <000f01c38c6e$cc6ad330$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000401c38d25$2564df60$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Yep :O) Tried that too... just got errors there too.
 
Thanks anyway
 
mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 07 October 2003 02:03
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - have you tried JetComp on it yet?
 
HYPERLINK
"http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2002/articles/acRepairDamagedDbW
ithJetcomp.aspx"http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2002/articles/acR
epairDamagedDbWithJetcomp.aspx
 
Kath
 
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To: HYPERLINK "mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""

Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
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> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Oct  7 17:52:09 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:52:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
	processbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEJKHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000901c38d25$a3649450$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 18:34:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:34:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
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Well... that runs IF you are in the macro window (command not available
otherwise) and converts the SINGLE macro that is currently selected.

There are ~50 different macros in the macro window.  I am trying to convert
ALL of them at once.  Sounds like I need to bracket that with code that
selects each macro in turn and then runs that line.  I was hoping someone
had done this already.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP. It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open
forms, reports etc.  I thought there was something that would convert
ALL the macros to VB at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the
wizard converts that single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at
once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Tue Oct  7 20:24:41 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:24:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
	theprocessbecause...Youand	another user are""
References: <000901c38d25$a3649450$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <001401c38d3a$f2ff67f0$6501a8c0@user>

Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


  Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
  several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
  hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

  Cheers

  Mark

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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
  Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
  processbecause...Youand another user are""


  Mark,

    Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
  already trying to get the old file to work.

  Jim Dettman
  President,
  Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
  (315) 699-3443
  jimdettman at earthlink.net

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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
  processbecause...You and another user are""


  Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
  same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
  particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

  Cheers

  Mark

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  - Beach Access Software
  Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
  because...You and another user are""


  Mark:

  I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
  that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
  you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

  Rocky

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  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
  You and another user are""


  > Hello...
  >
  > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
  >
  > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
  > process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

  > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
  >
  > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
  > objects... :O(
  >
  > Any ideas much appreciated
  >
  > mark
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct  7 20:48:02 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:48:02 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause..
	.Youand	another user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272DB@main2.marlow.com>

I think we have all been there.  My last one was when I was working on the
first release of the latest MiniCalendar version.  I had gotten a lot of
coding done on the form, and then I went to lock my desktop, and go have a
smoke, so I went to hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, then Enter, and by accident, I hit
delete just a hair to fast, but didn't catch myself before I hit the enter
key.

By by form.  A reputable recovery firm said no go on getting it back too.
Now I have a button on my keyboard that locks the desktop....no room for
error now.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Wed Oct  8 00:00:22 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:00:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE9@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Thanks Marty,
I think the code at that URL may come close to helping solve the problem.
I haven't had a chance to put it to use and test it yet.

The idea of looking for a document in the print queue sounds like the solution. If I can send the report name to a Boolean function which simply tells me if it's in the queue or not, I'd know if the document was printed or simply previewed. My only hope is that it is in the printer queue long enough to be picked up by the code.

I may end up with a hybrid, since some of these posted solutions are quite clever.

Thank you for your help.

Cheers for now
David ???? 
Brisbane Australia

Your message:
Message: 21
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:56:05 -0700
From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re:When is a report actually printed (vs previewed	only)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F823955.4090406 at shaw.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Here is some vb 6 code to monitor the print queue with some caveats.

Microsoft print reports like word documents, may not give you correct 
no of pages.

It only monitors the print drivers unless the print driver for that 
specific printer continuously polls the machine. You wont get info about 
paper jams or low toner. Very few low end and medium printers do.
http://www.merrioncomputing.com/Programming/index.htm


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  8 04:33:27 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:33:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65701@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <3F83A1A7.31325.19A22B@localhost>

On 7 Oct 2003 at 12:35, Paula Wright wrote:

> I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the
> database. This form has a Restore Window button in the top right
> corner than I cannot seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to
> No, the Min Max Buttons set to None.  I have searched the Options,
> Tools and Help and not found anything. Does anyone know how to remove
> the restore window button?  

Have a look at http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0022.htm

That should give you what you need.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't 
matter and those who matter don't mind - Dr.Seuss



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  8 05:00:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:00:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEAGFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEAGFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <13110231712.20031008120002@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Could this list of the macros' names help you:

  Select Name From MSysObjects Where Type = -32766

Or a series of (gosh) SendKeys commands and
Files, Save As/Export,
Save as Visual Basic module,
OK.

/gustav


> Well... that runs IF you are in the macro window (command not available
> otherwise) and converts the SINGLE macro that is currently selected.

> There are ~50 different macros in the macro window.  I am trying to convert
> ALL of them at once.  Sounds like I need to bracket that with code that
> selects each macro in turn and then runs that line.  I was hoping someone
> had done this already.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  8 05:08:35 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:08:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed (vs previewed
	only)
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE9@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
References: 	<A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE9@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <16210744680.20031008120835@cactus.dk>

Hi David

If you print directly to a network queue - as you often do using
Novell NetWare - I guess this method wouldn't be useful.

/gustav


> Thanks Marty,
> I think the code at that URL may come close to helping solve the problem.
> I haven't had a chance to put it to use and test it yet.

> The idea of looking for a document in the print queue sounds like the solution. If I can send the report name to a Boolean function which simply tells me if it's in the queue or not, I'd know if
> the document was printed or simply previewed. My only hope is that it is in the printer queue long enough to be picked up by the code.

> I may end up with a hybrid, since some of these posted solutions are quite clever.

> Thank you for your help.

> Cheers for now
> David ???? 
> Brisbane Australia

> Your message:
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:56:05 -0700
> From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re:When is a report actually printed (vs previewed     only)
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <3F823955.4090406 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

> Here is some vb 6 code to monitor the print queue with some caveats.

> Microsoft print reports like word documents, may not give you correct 
> no of pages.

> It only monitors the print drivers unless the print driver for that 
> specific printer continuously polls the machine. You wont get info about 
> paper jams or low toner. Very few low end and medium printers do.
> http://www.merrioncomputing.com/Programming/index.htm


From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct  8 07:05:10 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:05:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: When is a report actually printed
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE8@phoenix.student.nud
 geeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008070007.0259e300@pop3.highstream.net>

David,

You opened it in design view.  If your right click
on it in the database window and go to properties,
you will see what I was talking about.

What I was proposing was a way to determine if the
report had ever been printed or previewed.  Is
that what you want to track?  Or is it just for the
current user?

I use the description property because I do not have
to open the report in design view to read it.  I can
use the document collection to read the information.
I use it for displaying a list of reports and the
report category so I can use a single form to print
all reports.  Oh, and I also store the name of the form
to open for criteria if the report needs that also.
It is really handy.

Robert

At 02:54 PM 10/8/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>Thanks Robert,
>I looked at the properties of the report, but can find no description. 
>There's a Caption.
>
>I'm not sure I follow your line of thought. How will this help me 
>determine if the user actually printed the report rather than simply 
>previewed it and just closed the preview?
>
>I'd love to see your code - it may help me towards a solution.
>
>Marty Connelly from Canada posted a possible solution with this URL
>http://www.merrioncomputing.com/Programming/index.htm
>but I haven't had time to check it thoroughly yet.
>
>Cheers
>David ????
>Brisbane
>Australia
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert L. Stewart [mailto:rl_stewart at highstream.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 6:21 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Cc: David Fenton
>Subject: Re: When is a report actually printed
>
>David,
>
>If you are not using an MDE you could do the following:
>
>Right-click on the report and go to properties.
>Enter No Print;No Preview in the description.
>Change the description in code on the line
>before opening it in Preview or Print mode.
>
>If you need help with the code, let me know
>and I will post it to the list.
>
>I don't think you can change this property in an MDE.
>
>Robert
>
>At 10:56 PM 10/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:30:06 +1000
> >From: "David Fenton" <dfe at nudgeeinternational.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed
> >         only)
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID:
> >
> ><A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE7 at phoenix.student.nudgeeinternation 
> al.com>
> >
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >Hello again,
> >I have searched archives and looked through recent newsgroups for Access
> >Reports and found only a few tips on determining if a report is printed
> >rather than just previewed. None of them seem to hit the mark I'm after.
> >
> >I found this:
> >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/ARptTip.htm#PREVIEW
> >but it doesn't quite suit.
> >
> >Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report has
> >been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
> >printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag. But
> >one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not the same
> >as printing it. She can look at the report but change her mind and NOT
> >print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed' flag to be set. I
> >guess she's after a Cancel button on the print preview. I am not aware of
> >any cancel methods on the print preview page. I know there is an OnPrint
> >event, but it seems to apply to sections of the report, not the entire
> >report itself.
> >
> >I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
> >putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of the
> >report itself, but it doesn't feel robust...
> >Any ideas folks?
> >Cheers
> >David ????
> >Brisbane
> >Australia



From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Wed Oct  8 07:32:11 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65718@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

No.  That didn't affect anything.

Paula

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:13 -0400
From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Restore button
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID:
	<B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1896C9 at wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Paula -

Try changing the form's 'Border Style' property to Dialog.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Wright [mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button

 

I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the database.
This form has a Restore Window button in the top right corner than I cannot
seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to No, the Min Max Buttons set
to None.  I have searched the Options, Tools and Help and not found anything.
Does anyone know how to remove the restore window button?  

Also, there is a Help question box that is on the Access Menu Bar.  I'd like
to remove that as well. 

Thanks, 

Paula Wright 
Programmer/Analyst 
paulawright at boddienoell.com <mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com>  
(252)937-2800 ext.1355 


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 08:35:14 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same 
size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 08:35:14 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same 
size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 08:35:14 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same 
size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 08:47:22 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:47:22 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D3064128823@mail2.wrsystems.com>

Without looking at the error codes, it sounds like you're not dumping your
transaction log.  SQL has two settings for backing up files, one were it's
cumulative (which sounds like what you have set) and one where the file is
dumped before the backup is created (and you can set the frequency).

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:35 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com; dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same

size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 08:35:14 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same 
size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed Oct  8 10:17:20 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:17:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB -
  Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008111353.031736a0@mail.psu.edu>

We ran into this once, and here is what was causing our problems.  If you 
look at the properties of your database in Enterpirse Manager,  there is a 
tab that says Options.  On this tab, there is a dropdown for recovery 
model.  Our logs were growing huge because we chose Full in the Recovery 
Model dropdown.  To fix the problem we chose Simple and this significantly 
reduced the size of our Transaction Logs.

Paul Liadis
University Budget Office
Penn State University

At 09:35 AM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi Group,
>
>All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
>log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
>message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same
>size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
>no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
>causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
>space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>www.pro-soft.net
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct  8 10:35:03 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:35:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001901c38db1$be37c680$9111758f@aine>

Running a major cross tab report

A lot of the values are null

Problem

The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)

when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1

how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is tossing out my
calculations.



Martin



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 10:38:00 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:38:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk>
	<001901c38db1$be37c680$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <017501c38db2$87cab610$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?

Susan H. 


> Running a major cross tab report
> 
> A lot of the values are null
> 
> Problem
> 
> The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
> 
> when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
> 
> how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is tossing out my
> calculations.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct  8 10:47:03 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:47:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk><001901c38db1$be37c680$9111758f@aine>
	<017501c38db2$87cab610$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <000b01c38db3$6b342df0$9111758f@aine>

I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab


> Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Running a major cross tab report
> >
> > A lot of the values are null
> >
> > Problem
> >
> > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
> >
> > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
> >
> > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is tossing out my
> > calculations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 10:51:15 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:51:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk><001901c38db1$be37c680$9111758f@aine><017501c38db2$87cab610$220110ac@SUSANONE>
	<000b01c38db3$6b342df0$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <019501c38db4$02f164f0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Yeah, but what I mean is, can't you mask them via the query so that the
query handles them instead of letting them muck up the report?

NZ(value, "")

Or am I misunderstanding the problem? The report doesn't care if they're
really Null values or empty strings does it?

Susan H.


> I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.
>
> Martin



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 10:55:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:55:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Is the crosstab using the values as the column headings?  If so, you
could use a calculated field to return an IsNull expression.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 


I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab


> Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Running a major cross tab report
> >
> > A lot of the values are null
> >
> > Problem
> >
> > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
> >
> > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
> >
> > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is tossing out 
> > my calculations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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> >
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct  8 11:11:00 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:11:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge!
In-Reply-To: <200310081556.h98FuEe18371@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008110804.025a0058@pop3.highstream.net>

Julie,

Here is the SQL code that I use for the log file:

CREATE PROCEDURE [DBO].[usp_Truncate_Log] AS
BEGIN
      EXEC sp_dboption 'DB_NAME' , 'trunc. log on chkpt.','TRUE'
END
BEGIN
      CHECKPOINT
END
BEGIN
      EXEC sp_dboption 'DB_NAME' , 'trunc. log on chkpt.','FALSE'
END
BEGIN
      DBCC SHRINKFILE(LogFileName,1)
END

GO

Replace DB_Name with the name of your database
Replace LogFileName with the name of your log file and do not put quotes 
around it like DB_Name has.

Robert

At 10:56 AM 10/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
>From: "Julie Reardon-Taylor" <prosoft6 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com, dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d at hotmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>
>Hi Group,
>
>All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
>log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
>message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same
>size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
>no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
>causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
>space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>www.pro-soft.net



From James at fcidms.com  Wed Oct  8 11:18:11 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:18:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D925196219@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211B9@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

Hi all,
	I'm having a strange problem with Access 2000 SR-3, Windows 2000
Pro SP-3. I can no longer get the shortcut menu to popup when
right-clicking on a table or query in the database window of any
database using Access 2000. Right-Clicking selects the Table/Query but
does not popup a menu. The shortcut menu works for
forms/reports/macros/modules, just not for tables/queries. I've tried
deselecting/reselecting Allow Default Shortcut Menus but that had no
effect.  I've tried repairing and deleting and re-installing Office but
it still does not work correctly. I've deleted all Add-ins in case that
was the problem but nothing seems to fix this. I also have Access 97 and
XP loaded on the same machine and the shortcuts work correctly using
those, just not in Access 2000. Everything else seems to work correctly,
including custom shortcut menus for some forms. 
	Has anyone else had this problem and is there a solution? It
worked correctly last week and I don't think I've installed anything
since. 
	Any and all suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

James Barash


From melissasener at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  8 11:23:53 2003
From: melissasener at earthlink.net (Melissa F. Sener)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:23:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB -  Help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008111353.031736a0@mail.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <LBEBJJLKEGHCCNDDMHCICEMIEMAA.melissasener@earthlink.net>

What are the benefits of choosing Full Recovery Model?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Liadis
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help


We ran into this once, and here is what was causing our problems.  If you
look at the properties of your database in Enterpirse Manager,  there is a
tab that says Options.  On this tab, there is a dropdown for recovery
model.  Our logs were growing huge because we chose Full in the Recovery
Model dropdown.  To fix the problem we chose Simple and this significantly
reduced the size of our Transaction Logs.

Paul Liadis
University Budget Office
Penn State University

At 09:35 AM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi Group,
>
>All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
>log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
>message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the
same
>size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
>no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
>causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
>space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>www.pro-soft.net
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>service providers in your area). Click here.   https://broadband.msn.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 12:03:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:03:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've seen this bizarre behavior as well on the same kind of setup.
Oddly enough, in my case switching to Excel or Word and popping up a
shortcut menu there seems to kick Office in the pants and give me back
my shortcut menus in Access .

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: James Barash [mailto:James at fcidms.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared


Hi all,
	I'm having a strange problem with Access 2000 SR-3, Windows 2000
Pro SP-3. I can no longer get the shortcut menu to popup when
right-clicking on a table or query in the database window of any
database using Access 2000. Right-Clicking selects the Table/Query but
does not popup a menu. The shortcut menu works for
forms/reports/macros/modules, just not for tables/queries. I've tried
deselecting/reselecting Allow Default Shortcut Menus but that had no
effect.  I've tried repairing and deleting and re-installing Office but
it still does not work correctly. I've deleted all Add-ins in case that
was the problem but nothing seems to fix this. I also have Access 97 and
XP loaded on the same machine and the shortcuts work correctly using
those, just not in Access 2000. Everything else seems to work correctly,
including custom shortcut menus for some forms. 
	Has anyone else had this problem and is there a solution? It
worked correctly last week and I don't think I've installed anything
since. 
	Any and all suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

James Barash

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Oct  8 12:05:14 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3063B5EC@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF04@ADGSERVER>

Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97 on
their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up to
about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I want
to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 12:16:45 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:16:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You'd be better of using the Wise Installer instead of the setup wizard.
You can include the runtime files with Wise as well, not just with a
package created by the setup wizard.  You will have to change the Wise
script, however.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an
install using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97
on their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried
the set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that
total up to about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for
testing?  All I want to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be
a moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Oct  8 13:06:14 2003
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:06:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF04@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <002101c38dc6$dce71a80$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

If this is a one time installation and the target computer does not have
any other versions of Access on it I'd go with the MS Deployment Wizard
built package.  We used this for distributing a package that went on
many different computers some with other versions of Access and we did
not have any problems.  The caveat is that I went through all the
knowledgebase articles on the 97 P&D wizard and made all the recommended
modifications.  I don't know that these articles are still available.
You might look.  If you want I can send a list of the article numbers
offline.

We have since moved to Wise and Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.  For a
large number of installations on unknown systems that seems to be the
most bullet proof way to go. I don't think that developing your own Wise
scripts would be cost effective.

Bottom line is that what ever you do should be tested on a similar
system to the target before deploying.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an
install using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97
on their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried
the set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that
total up to about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for
testing?  All I want to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be
a moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed Oct  8 13:08:38 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:08:38 -0800 
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120F01@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

You can also investigate the 'Switch' command, switching a <NULL> value for
an actual text string like "Null".

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 
> 
> 
> Is the crosstab using the values as the column headings?  If so, you
> could use a calculated field to return an IsNull expression.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 
> 
> 
> I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab
> 
> 
> > Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > > Running a major cross tab report
> > >
> > > A lot of the values are null
> > >
> > > Problem
> > >
> > > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
> > >
> > > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
> > >
> > > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is 
> tossing out 
> > > my calculations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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> >
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 13:21:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:21:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I ran into issues using the setup wizard packages for 97 on machines
that had Office 2000 (not Access 2000) installed.  That permanently
cured any lingering affection I had for the MS wizard.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


If this is a one time installation and the target computer does not have
any other versions of Access on it I'd go with the MS Deployment Wizard
built package.  We used this for distributing a package that went on
many different computers some with other versions of Access and we did
not have any problems.  The caveat is that I went through all the
knowledgebase articles on the 97 P&D wizard and made all the recommended
modifications.  I don't know that these articles are still available.
You might look.  If you want I can send a list of the article numbers
offline.

We have since moved to Wise and Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.  For a
large number of installations on unknown systems that seems to be the
most bullet proof way to go. I don't think that developing your own Wise
scripts would be cost effective.

Bottom line is that what ever you do should be tested on a similar
system to the target before deploying.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an
install using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97
on their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried
the set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that
total up to about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for
testing?  All I want to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be
a moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed Oct  8 13:23:49 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:23:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB
  -  Help
In-Reply-To: <LBEBJJLKEGHCCNDDMHCICEMIEMAA.melissasener@earthlink.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008111353.031736a0@mail.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008142050.03eeda78@mail.psu.edu>

I believe Full Recovery Model gives the best chance to recover from a 
failure in a transactional environment.  I copied the following from SQL 
Server Books Online:

"Full Recovery provides the ability to recover the database to the point of 
failure or to a specific point in time. To guarantee this degree of 
recoverability, all operations, including bulk operations such as SELECT 
INTO, CREATE INDEX, and bulk loading data, are fully logged. "

My organization doesn't really need Full Recovery because our data doesn't 
change very often, and we aren't doing a lot of transactions.  With tape 
backups, we can recover from the previous day, which is ok for us.

Paul Liadis
Penn State University


At 09:23 AM 10/8/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>What are the benefits of choosing Full Recovery Model?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Liadis
>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:17 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help
>
>
>We ran into this once, and here is what was causing our problems.  If you
>look at the properties of your database in Enterpirse Manager,  there is a
>tab that says Options.  On this tab, there is a dropdown for recovery
>model.  Our logs were growing huge because we chose Full in the Recovery
>Model dropdown.  To fix the problem we chose Simple and this significantly
>reduced the size of our Transaction Logs.
>
>Paul Liadis
>University Budget Office
>Penn State University
>
>At 09:35 AM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Group,
> >
> >All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
> >log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
> >message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the
>same
> >size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
> >no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
> >causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
> >space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
> >
> >
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct  8 13:30:45 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:30:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Book Recommendation
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001e01c38dca$4b3d13b0$42f66e51@martin1>

I dont normally push books but this one will be good. I know some list
members are working with .NET

Developing Killer Web Apps with Dreamweaver MX? and C#T

Due out in Jan. Published by Sybex.

You actually dont need Dreamweaver to use it. Some of the stuff is the best
intro to .NET programming I have seen. I am the technical editor for the
book. Its all C sharp stuff and some is fairly complex but for anyone using
dreamweaver and .net and want a good intro to dreamweaver and C Sharp its a
good book.


Martin


From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct  8 13:32:55 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:32:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't Find"
In-Reply-To: <009901c37d4e$14ba7170$5d0ed018@W2k>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEDCDFAA.askolits@ot.com>


I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
'using a macro'.

But I can call it from the Immediate window.

The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

John Skolits



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Oct  8 13:34:00 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:34:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3063B666@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF09@ADGSERVER>

Thanks Charlotte and Doug for the information.

This is more of an exception install at that location.  I do not know if
they have Off2k, OffXP, or Off2003.  I was just looking for a simple way of
getting the runtime onto their system.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


I ran into issues using the setup wizard packages for 97 on machines that
had Office 2000 (not Access 2000) installed.  That permanently cured any
lingering affection I had for the MS wizard.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


If this is a one time installation and the target computer does not have any
other versions of Access on it I'd go with the MS Deployment Wizard built
package.  We used this for distributing a package that went on many
different computers some with other versions of Access and we did not have
any problems.  The caveat is that I went through all the knowledgebase
articles on the 97 P&D wizard and made all the recommended modifications.  I
don't know that these articles are still available. You might look.  If you
want I can send a list of the article numbers offline.

We have since moved to Wise and Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.  For a
large number of installations on unknown systems that seems to be the most
bullet proof way to go. I don't think that developing your own Wise scripts
would be cost effective.

Bottom line is that what ever you do should be tested on a similar system to
the target before deploying.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97 on
their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up to
about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I want
to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  8 13:39:49 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:39:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007151727.025c5248@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <3F8459F5.6000809@shaw.ca>

If anyone wants to play around with interogating the Print Spooler and Queue
Here is some starter code to examine it through WMI otherwise you have 
to use winSpool.dll
WMI needs an install for Win9x and works remotely in Win2000 WinXP

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'Private Enum PrinterStatus
'    PrinterIdle = 3
'    PrinterPrinting = 4
'    PrinterWarmingUp = 5
'    ' For more states see WMI docs.
'End Enum
Sub LookthruWinSpooler()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object
'The Win32_PrintJob WMI class represents a print job generated
'by a Windows application. Any unit of work generated
'by the print command of an application running on a
'Windows system is a descendent (or member) of this class.
'Documentation of WMI classes:
' set reference to WMICntl 1.0 class library wbemcntl.dll

'http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wmisdk/wmi/wmi_classes.asp
'http://www.activxperts.com/activmonitor/windowsmanagement/wmisamples/
On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "." 'local computer
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_PrintJob", , 48)
For Each objItem In colItems
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
    Debug.Print "DataType: " & objItem.DataType
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objItem.Description
    Debug.Print "Document: " & objItem.Document
    Debug.Print "DriverName: " & objItem.DriverName
    Debug.Print "ElapsedTime: " & objItem.ElapsedTime
    Debug.Print "HostPrintQueue: " & objItem.HostPrintQueue
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objItem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "JobId: " & objItem.JobId
    Debug.Print "JobStatus: " & objItem.JobStatus
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objItem.Name
    Debug.Print "Notify: " & objItem.Notify
    Debug.Print "Owner: " & objItem.Owner
    Debug.Print "PagesPrinted: " & objItem.PagesPrinted
    Debug.Print "Parameters: " & objItem.Parameters
    Debug.Print "PrintProcessor: " & objItem.PrintProcessor
    Debug.Print "Priority: " & objItem.Priority
    Debug.Print "Size: " & objItem.Size
    Debug.Print "StartTime: " & WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.StartTime)
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objItem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusMask: " & objItem.StatusMask
    Debug.Print "TimeSubmitted: " & 
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.TimeSubmitted)
    Debug.Print "TotalPages: " & objItem.TotalPages
    Debug.Print "UntilTime: " & objItem.UntilTime
Next
End Sub

Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String
WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/" & _
  Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _
  & " " & Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _
  Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" & Mid(dtmInstallDate, 13, 2))
End Function

Sub Win32_Printer()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object

'The Win32_Printer WMI class represents a device connected
'to a Windows computer system that can reproduce a
'visual image on paper or other medium.

On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_Printer", , 48)
For Each objItem In colItems
    Debug.Print "Attributes: " & objItem.Attributes
    Debug.Print "Availability: " & objItem.Availability
    Debug.Print "AveragePagesPerMinute: " & objItem.AveragePagesPerMinute
    Debug.Print "Capabilities: " & objItem.Capabilities
    Debug.Print "CapabilityDescriptions: " & objItem.CapabilityDescriptions
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerErrorCode: " & objItem.ConfigManagerErrorCode
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerUserConfig: " & 
objItem.ConfigManagerUserConfig
    Debug.Print "CreationClassName: " & objItem.CreationClassName
    Debug.Print "DefaultPriority: " & objItem.DefaultPriority
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objItem.Description
    Debug.Print "DetectedErrorState: " & objItem.DetectedErrorState
    Debug.Print "DeviceID: " & objItem.DeviceID
    Debug.Print "DriverName: " & objItem.DriverName
    Debug.Print "ErrorCleared: " & objItem.ErrorCleared
    Debug.Print "ErrorDescription: " & objItem.ErrorDescription
    Debug.Print "HorizontalResolution: " & objItem.HorizontalResolution
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objItem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "JobCountSinceLastReset: " & objItem.JobCountSinceLastReset
    Debug.Print "LanguagesSupported: " & objItem.LanguagesSupported
    Debug.Print "LastErrorCode: " & objItem.LastErrorCode
    Debug.Print "Location: " & objItem.Location
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objItem.Name
    Debug.Print "PaperSizesSupported: " & objItem.PaperSizesSupported
    Debug.Print "PNPDeviceID: " & objItem.PNPDeviceID
    Debug.Print "PortName: " & objItem.PortName
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementCapabilities: " & 
objItem.PowerManagementCapabilities
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementSupported: " & 
objItem.PowerManagementSupported
    Debug.Print "PrinterPaperNames: " & objItem.PrinterPaperNames
    Debug.Print "PrinterState: " & objItem.PrinterState
    Debug.Print "PrinterStatus: " & objItem.Printerstatus
    Debug.Print "PrintJobDataType: " & objItem.PrintJobDataType
    Debug.Print "PrintProcessor: " & objItem.PrintProcessor
    Debug.Print "SeparatorFile: " & objItem.SeparatorFile
    Debug.Print "ServerName: " & objItem.ServerName
    Debug.Print "ShareName: " & objItem.ShareName
    Debug.Print "SpoolEnabled: " & objItem.SpoolEnabled
    Debug.Print "StartTime: " & objItem.StartTime
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objItem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusInfo: " & objItem.StatusInfo
    Debug.Print "SystemCreationClassName: " & 
objItem.SystemCreationClassName
    Debug.Print "SystemName: " & objItem.SystemName
    Debug.Print "TimeOfLastReset: " & objItem.TimeOfLastReset
    Debug.Print "UntilTime: " & objItem.UntilTime
    Debug.Print "VerticalResolution: " & objItem.VerticalResolution
Next
End Sub

Sub PrintQueueStats()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colPrintJobs As Object
Dim objPrintJob As Object
Dim intTotalJobs As Long
Dim intTotalPages As Long
Dim intMaxPrintJob As Long
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:" _
    & "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colPrintJobs = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
    ("SELECT * FROM Win32_PrintJob")
For Each objPrintJob In colPrintJobs
    intTotalJobs = intTotalJobs + 1
    intTotalPages = intTotalPages + objPrintJob.TotalPages
    If objPrintJob.TotalPages > intMaxPrintJob Then
        intMaxPrintJob = objPrintJob.TotalPages
    End If
Next
Debug.Print "Total print jobs in queue: " & intTotalJobs
Debug.Print "Total pages in queue: " & intTotalPages
Debug.Print "Largest print job pages in queue: " & intMaxPrintJob
End Sub




From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Oct  8 13:58:47 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:58:47 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2964C@nnse14.nns.com>

I've messed with this in the past...if only I had administrator privileges
on those remote print servers:(


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed


If anyone wants to play around with interogating the Print Spooler and Queue
Here is some starter code to examine it through WMI otherwise you have 
to use winSpool.dll
WMI needs an install for Win9x and works remotely in Win2000 WinXP

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'Private Enum PrinterStatus
'    PrinterIdle = 3
'    PrinterPrinting = 4
'    PrinterWarmingUp = 5
'    ' For more states see WMI docs.
'End Enum
Sub LookthruWinSpooler()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object
'The Win32_PrintJob WMI class represents a print job generated 'by a Windows
application. Any unit of work generated 'by the print command of an
application running on a 'Windows system is a descendent (or member) of this
class. 'Documentation of WMI classes: ' set reference to WMICntl 1.0 class
library wbemcntl.dll

'http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wmisdk/wmi
/wmi_classes.asp
'http://www.activxperts.com/activmonitor/windowsmanagement/wmisamples/
On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "." 'local computer
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_PrintJob", , 48)
For Each objItem In colItems
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
    Debug.Print "DataType: " & objItem.DataType
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objItem.Description
    Debug.Print "Document: " & objItem.Document
    Debug.Print "DriverName: " & objItem.DriverName
    Debug.Print "ElapsedTime: " & objItem.ElapsedTime
    Debug.Print "HostPrintQueue: " & objItem.HostPrintQueue
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objItem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "JobId: " & objItem.JobId
    Debug.Print "JobStatus: " & objItem.JobStatus
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objItem.Name
    Debug.Print "Notify: " & objItem.Notify
    Debug.Print "Owner: " & objItem.Owner
    Debug.Print "PagesPrinted: " & objItem.PagesPrinted
    Debug.Print "Parameters: " & objItem.Parameters
    Debug.Print "PrintProcessor: " & objItem.PrintProcessor
    Debug.Print "Priority: " & objItem.Priority
    Debug.Print "Size: " & objItem.Size
    Debug.Print "StartTime: " & WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.StartTime)
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objItem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusMask: " & objItem.StatusMask
    Debug.Print "TimeSubmitted: " & 
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.TimeSubmitted)
    Debug.Print "TotalPages: " & objItem.TotalPages
    Debug.Print "UntilTime: " & objItem.UntilTime
Next
End Sub

Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String WMIDateStringToDate =
CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/" & _
  Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _
  & " " & Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _
  Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" & Mid(dtmInstallDate, 13, 2)) End
Function

Sub Win32_Printer()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object

'The Win32_Printer WMI class represents a device connected
'to a Windows computer system that can reproduce a
'visual image on paper or other medium.

On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_Printer", , 48)
For Each objItem In colItems
    Debug.Print "Attributes: " & objItem.Attributes
    Debug.Print "Availability: " & objItem.Availability
    Debug.Print "AveragePagesPerMinute: " & objItem.AveragePagesPerMinute
    Debug.Print "Capabilities: " & objItem.Capabilities
    Debug.Print "CapabilityDescriptions: " & objItem.CapabilityDescriptions
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerErrorCode: " & objItem.ConfigManagerErrorCode
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerUserConfig: " & 
objItem.ConfigManagerUserConfig
    Debug.Print "CreationClassName: " & objItem.CreationClassName
    Debug.Print "DefaultPriority: " & objItem.DefaultPriority
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objItem.Description
    Debug.Print "DetectedErrorState: " & objItem.DetectedErrorState
    Debug.Print "DeviceID: " & objItem.DeviceID
    Debug.Print "DriverName: " & objItem.DriverName
    Debug.Print "ErrorCleared: " & objItem.ErrorCleared
    Debug.Print "ErrorDescription: " & objItem.ErrorDescription
    Debug.Print "HorizontalResolution: " & objItem.HorizontalResolution
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objItem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "JobCountSinceLastReset: " & objItem.JobCountSinceLastReset
    Debug.Print "LanguagesSupported: " & objItem.LanguagesSupported
    Debug.Print "LastErrorCode: " & objItem.LastErrorCode
    Debug.Print "Location: " & objItem.Location
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objItem.Name
    Debug.Print "PaperSizesSupported: " & objItem.PaperSizesSupported
    Debug.Print "PNPDeviceID: " & objItem.PNPDeviceID
    Debug.Print "PortName: " & objItem.PortName
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementCapabilities: " & 
objItem.PowerManagementCapabilities
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementSupported: " & 
objItem.PowerManagementSupported
    Debug.Print "PrinterPaperNames: " & objItem.PrinterPaperNames
    Debug.Print "PrinterState: " & objItem.PrinterState
    Debug.Print "PrinterStatus: " & objItem.Printerstatus
    Debug.Print "PrintJobDataType: " & objItem.PrintJobDataType
    Debug.Print "PrintProcessor: " & objItem.PrintProcessor
    Debug.Print "SeparatorFile: " & objItem.SeparatorFile
    Debug.Print "ServerName: " & objItem.ServerName
    Debug.Print "ShareName: " & objItem.ShareName
    Debug.Print "SpoolEnabled: " & objItem.SpoolEnabled
    Debug.Print "StartTime: " & objItem.StartTime
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objItem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusInfo: " & objItem.StatusInfo
    Debug.Print "SystemCreationClassName: " & 
objItem.SystemCreationClassName
    Debug.Print "SystemName: " & objItem.SystemName
    Debug.Print "TimeOfLastReset: " & objItem.TimeOfLastReset
    Debug.Print "UntilTime: " & objItem.UntilTime
    Debug.Print "VerticalResolution: " & objItem.VerticalResolution Next End
Sub

Sub PrintQueueStats()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colPrintJobs As Object
Dim objPrintJob As Object
Dim intTotalJobs As Long
Dim intTotalPages As Long
Dim intMaxPrintJob As Long
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:" _
    & "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colPrintJobs = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
    ("SELECT * FROM Win32_PrintJob")
For Each objPrintJob In colPrintJobs
    intTotalJobs = intTotalJobs + 1
    intTotalPages = intTotalPages + objPrintJob.TotalPages
    If objPrintJob.TotalPages > intMaxPrintJob Then
        intMaxPrintJob = objPrintJob.TotalPages
    End If
Next
Debug.Print "Total print jobs in queue: " & intTotalJobs Debug.Print "Total
pages in queue: " & intTotalPages Debug.Print "Largest print job pages in
queue: " & intMaxPrintJob End Sub



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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 14:01:40 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:01:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help Thank You!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY10-F95cSrjIqI1OZ00016ab3@hotmail.com>

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  I have worked all day to clear 
up the problem, and have managed to shrink the transaction log as well as 
the database back to their normal size.  Still not sure what caused it 
though.

I will look at each of your suggestions to prevent this from happening in 
the future.  Really appreciate all of your responses!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From bobbedell15 at msn.com  Wed Oct  8 14:02:35 2003
From: bobbedell15 at msn.com (Bob Bedell)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:02:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY4-F25EgJXOxJagXT00004133@hotmail.com>

Pardon me for jumping in, but a similar issue has been bugging me too. I'm 
not quite sure how this is supposed to work. When you perform a backup in 
SQL Server, all of the committed transactions are supposed to be cleard from 
the transaction log, right? So after performing a backup, I can run a 
function to view the active portion of the log, and there are only a few 
entries in it. But the physical size of the log hasn't gotten any smaller on 
disk. I have the log set to auto-grow. Is it the case that the physical 
allocation of the log grows as the log grows, and then when a backup is 
performed and the comitted transactions are cleared, the physical allocation 
of the log remains at the same siza it grew to, its just empty now. Or if I 
backup a 10 MG log, is the physical size of the log supposed to shrink to 
1MG or whatever. Any clarification regarding this would really help.

Thanks,

Bob


>From: Randall Anthony <ranthony at wrsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
>Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:47:22 -0400
>
>Without looking at the error codes, it sounds like you're not dumping your
>transaction log.  SQL has two settings for backing up files, one were it's
>cumulative (which sounds like what you have set) and one where the file is
>dumped before the backup is created (and you can set the frequency).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:35 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com; dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help
>
>
>Hi Group,
>
>All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
>log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
>message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the 
>same
>
>size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
>no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
>causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
>space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
>
>
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 14:02:37 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:02:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help Thank You!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY10-F31RAxoQMhstP00016aa6@hotmail.com>

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  I have worked all day to clear 
up the problem, and have managed to shrink the transaction log as well as 
the database back to their normal size.  Still not sure what caused it 
though.

I will look at each of your suggestions to prevent this from happening in 
the future.  Really appreciate all of your responses!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From James at fcidms.com  Wed Oct  8 14:09:45 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:09:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D92519628D@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250DF532@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

Charlotte:
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately it didn't work. Maybe because
Access is the only Office 2000 product I have loaded. At least it gave
me something new to try.

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared


I've seen this bizarre behavior as well on the same kind of setup. Oddly
enough, in my case switching to Excel or Word and popping up a shortcut
menu there seems to kick Office in the pants and give me back my
shortcut menus in Access .

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared


Hi all,
	I'm having a strange problem with Access 2000 SR-3, Windows 2000
Pro SP-3. I can no longer get the shortcut menu to popup when
right-clicking on a table or query in the database window of any
database using Access 2000. Right-Clicking selects the Table/Query but
does not popup a menu. The shortcut menu works for
forms/reports/macros/modules, just not for tables/queries. I've tried
deselecting/reselecting Allow Default Shortcut Menus but that had no
effect.  I've tried repairing and deleting and re-installing Office but
it still does not work correctly. I've deleted all Add-ins in case that
was the problem but nothing seems to fix this. I also have Access 97 and
XP loaded on the same machine and the shortcuts work correctly using
those, just not in Access 2000. Everything else seems to work correctly,
including custom shortcut menus for some forms. 
	Has anyone else had this problem and is there a solution? It
worked correctly last week and I don't think I've installed anything
since. 
	Any and all suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

James Barash

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 14:02:37 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:02:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]
	Re: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help Thank You!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY10-F31RAxoQMhstP00016aa6@hotmail.com>

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  I have worked all day to clear 
up the problem, and have managed to shrink the transaction log as well as 
the database back to their normal size.  Still not sure what caused it 
though.

I will look at each of your suggestions to prevent this from happening in 
the future.  Really appreciate all of your responses!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Wed Oct  8 14:52:51 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:52:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <BAY4-F28JKs8TAGUjGn00018ee4@hotmail.com>

Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is all you 
need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way to 
know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that is not 
built into Access97.

Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it and 
try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work before you 
release it.  Even the install.


Todd.


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400

Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
using an older copy of Wise Installer.

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97 on
their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up to
about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I want
to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Wed Oct  8 14:52:51 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:52:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <BAY4-F28JKs8TAGUjGn00018ee4@hotmail.com>

Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is all you 
need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way to 
know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that is not 
built into Access97.

Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it and 
try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work before you 
release it.  Even the install.


Todd.


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400

Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
using an older copy of Wise Installer.

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97 on
their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up to
about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I want
to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From lists at theopg.com  Wed Oct  8 15:03:30 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:03:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -
	..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <001401c38d3a$f2ff67f0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000401c38dd7$3eb83310$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg
in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that
was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work
out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct  8 15:32:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:32:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
	Find"
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEDCDFAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECKFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

Shoot the user.

It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it will
damned sure make the next user think twice before...

Uhhh....

Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
Find"



I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
'using a macro'.

But I can call it from the Immediate window.

The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 15:42:49 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:42:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECKFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00e901c38ddc$bd1a12f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...I got half way through posting a suggestion that he "Colbyize" the
user as his first step ...then it dawned on me that I'd probably have to
explain that and that's just too damn much trouble these days :)))

...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the door
...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))

William Hindman
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> >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> Shoot the user.
>
> It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
will
> damned sure make the next user think twice before...
>
> Uhhh....
>
> Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
> Find"
>
>
>
> I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
> 'using a macro'.
>
> But I can call it from the Immediate window.
>
> The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> John Skolits
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 15:46:53 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:46:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
References: <BAY4-F28JKs8TAGUjGn00018ee4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f401c38ddd$4e945a60$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...you absolutely have to do a trial install on a clean system ...there are
a number of things that work in Access that don't work in the runtime
installs ...and damned little info from MS on them :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Buttrey" <todd_5036 at msn.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


> Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is all
you
> need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way
to
> know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that is
not
> built into Access97.
>
> Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it and
> try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work before you
> release it.  Even the install.
>
>
> Todd.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400
>
> Hey,
>
> Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
> have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
> using an older copy of Wise Installer.
>
> Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97
on
> their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
> set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up
to
> about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I
want
> to do is load the run-time on their PCs.
>
> We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
> moot point later.  But for now...
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct  8 16:30:01 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:30:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECKFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFIEDHDFAA.askolits@ot.com>

I will pass your suggestion onto my customer.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


>The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

Shoot the user.

It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it will
damned sure make the next user think twice before...

Uhhh....

Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
Find"



I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
'using a macro'.

But I can call it from the Immediate window.

The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

John Skolits


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 16:45:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:45:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFIEDHDFAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <012501c38de5$8a4c4fb0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...actually John, I'd first see if there was a system restore point set by
XP before the reload began ...if there was its quite possible you can return
the system to full functionality without any further ado ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> I will pass your suggestion onto my customer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> Shoot the user.
>
> It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
will
> damned sure make the next user think twice before...
>
> Uhhh....
>
> Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Skolits
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
> Find"
>
>
>
> I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
> 'using a macro'.
>
> But I can call it from the Immediate window.
>
> The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> John Skolits
>
>
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 16:46:52 2003
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:46:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] amortization
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008142050.03eeda78@mail.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEAEDFCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

I am looking for some code/examples of creating an amortization
table/report.
I will have a beginning date, loan amount, a rate, and a period of time.
How can I make a report/table that reads:

Date   Payment Number   Payment Amount   Balance


TIA

Bob Heygood




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 17:02:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:02:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] amortization
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3D9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I used to regularly crib the formulas for stuff like this from my HP
calculator book! <VBG>  Actually VBA has a whole bunch of Financial
functions like NPV FV and PV that should work to give you what you want.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Heygood [mailto:bheygood at abestsystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] amortization


I am looking for some code/examples of creating an amortization
table/report. I will have a beginning date, loan amount, a rate, and a
period of time. How can I make a report/table that reads:

Date   Payment Number   Payment Amount   Balance


TIA

Bob Heygood



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct  8 17:28:36 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:28:36 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Y
	ouand	another user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F3@main2.marlow.com>

It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem.
Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The
laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an
hour later. 
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out
how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net> 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
< accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct  8 17:54:26 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:54:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] amortization
In-Reply-To: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEAEDFCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008142050.03eeda78@mail.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <3F852242.5397.2080B6@localhost>

On 8 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Bob Heygood wrote:

> I am looking for some code/examples of creating an amortization
> table/report.
> I will have a beginning date, loan amount, a rate, and a period of time.
> How can I make a report/table that reads:
> 
> Date   Payment Number   Payment Amount   Balance
> 
> 
Take a loook at the example for the PPMT function in Help. 

 
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From LYTLEN at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct  8 18:00:43 2003
From: LYTLEN at peoplepc.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
	What to do when subreport used as textbox source has no data
Message-ID: <005801c38df0$033f3f90$459595ce@servone>

I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related by the field
ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports (Main and 2
subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values in the subreports
to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- sub3.field -
sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where the ProgramCode has
no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show and the textbox is
filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use txtAB = Sub1.field +
sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked field.

Hope I explained this okay.
TIA
Nancy L

N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
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From djkr at msn.com  Wed Oct  8 18:10:20 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:10:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
	Find"
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEDCDFAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c38df1$581323f0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

No, but when you said WIN XP, did you mean Office XP?

John


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Skolits
> Sent: 08 October 2003 19:33
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft 
> Access Can't Find"
> 
> 
> 
> I get this message when I simply call a basic function from 
> within Access 'using a macro'.
> 
> But I can call it from the Immediate window.
> 
> The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he 
> cancelled the process. XP was already on it so there was no 
> need for him to run the setup. Once he realized it he 
> cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any ideas?
> 
> John Skolits
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct  8 18:22:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:22:41 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  What to do when subreport used as textbox source h
	as no data
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F6@main2.marlow.com>

Just a thought, on the OnFormat of each subreport, go and 'add' the fields
to that other textbox, that way, if there is no data for a subreport, there
won't be an OnFormat event.
 
Drew

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From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:LYTLEN at peoplepc.com]
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To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has no
data



I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related by the field
ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports (Main and 2
subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values in the subreports
to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- sub3.field -
sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where the ProgramCode has
no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show and the textbox is
filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use txtAB = Sub1.field +
sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked field.

Hope I explained this okay.
TIA
Nancy L


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From lists at theopg.com  Wed Oct  8 18:32:44 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:32:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -
	..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F3@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001201c38df4$79a774a0$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not
just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you
mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg
in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that
was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work
out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
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Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
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> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
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>
> Any ideas much appreciated
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 18:34:29 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:34:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has no
	data
References: <005801c38df0$033f3f90$459595ce@servone>
Message-ID: <004401c38df4$b86613e0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...sounds like an IIF to me :)))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nancy Lytle 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:00 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has no data


  I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related by the field
  ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports (Main and 2
  subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values in the subreports
  to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- sub3.field -
  sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where the ProgramCode has
  no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show and the textbox is
  filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use txtAB = Sub1.field +
  sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked field.

  Hope I explained this okay.
  TIA
  Nancy L

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From chizotz at charter.net  Wed Oct  8 18:39:25 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:39:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 	What to do when subreport used as textbox
 source has no data
In-Reply-To: <005801c38df0$033f3f90$459595ce@servone>
Message-ID: <web-33978719@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>

Hi Nancy,

The problem, I believe, is that when there is a null value 
the whole expression evaluates to null. I have solved this 
a few ways, but the easiest in most cases is something 
like this: txtAB = iif(Sub1.field,Sub1.field,0) + 
iif(sub2.field,sub2.field,0)- iif(sub3.field, 
sub3.field,0). I work mainly in Acc97, but in Acc2k and 
above there is also a NV function you could look at. This 
isn't perfect for all cases, but it does work for me.

HTH,

Ron



On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
  "Nancy Lytle" <LYTLEN at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related 
>by the field
>ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports 
>(Main and 2
>subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values 
>in the subreports
>to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- 
>sub3.field -
>sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where 
>the ProgramCode has
>no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show 
>and the textbox is
>filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use 
>txtAB = Sub1.field +
>sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked 
>field.
>
>Hope I explained this okay.
>TIA
>Nancy L
>
>N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
>240-274-0069
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 19:13:47 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:13:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand
	another user are""
References: <001201c38df4$79a774a0$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <006d01c38dfa$356619d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Message...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow the be mdb ime.

William Hindman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MarkH 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


  Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?

  Cheers

  Mark
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    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
    Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


    It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.

    Drew
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      From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


      Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an hour later. 

      Mark
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        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
        Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


        Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
        Kath
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          To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
          Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


          Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
          several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
          hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

          Cheers

          Mark

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          From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
          Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
          processbecause...Youand another user are""


          Mark,

            Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
          already trying to get the old file to work.

          Jim Dettman
          President,
          Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
          (315) 699-3443
          jimdettman at earthlink.net

          -----Original Message-----
          From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
          Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
          To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
          processbecause...You and another user are""


          Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
          same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
          particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

          Cheers

          Mark

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          From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
          - Beach Access Software
          Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
          because...You and another user are""


          Mark:

          I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
          that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
          you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

          Rocky

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
          To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
          <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
          Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
          Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
          You and another user are""


          > Hello...
          >
          > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
          >
          > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
          > process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

          > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
          >
          > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
          > objects... :O(
          >
          > Any ideas much appreciated
          >
          > mark
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 19:15:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:15:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 	What to do when subreport used as textbox source has
	no data
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3DA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Do you possibly mean an Nz function?  If so, it was also available in
Access 97, as is IsNull.  I've never seen an NV function in Access.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source
has no data


Hi Nancy,

The problem, I believe, is that when there is a null value 
the whole expression evaluates to null. I have solved this 
a few ways, but the easiest in most cases is something 
like this: txtAB = iif(Sub1.field,Sub1.field,0) + 
iif(sub2.field,sub2.field,0)- iif(sub3.field, 
sub3.field,0). I work mainly in Acc97, but in Acc2k and 
above there is also a NV function you could look at. This 
isn't perfect for all cases, but it does work for me.

HTH,

Ron



On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
  "Nancy Lytle" <LYTLEN at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related
>by the field
>ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports 
>(Main and 2
>subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values 
>in the subreports
>to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- 
>sub3.field -
>sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where 
>the ProgramCode has
>no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show 
>and the textbox is
>filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use 
>txtAB = Sub1.field +
>sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked 
>field.
>
>Hope I explained this okay.
>TIA
>Nancy L
>
>N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
>240-274-0069
>
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Wed Oct  8 19:40:47 2003
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:40:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question
Message-ID: <009401c38dfd$ff276500$53c2f63f@Desktop>

Does anyone know how I could hide one of the combobox records on a form? 
example is I need to hide * All Programs *  from being displayed when 
the combobox gets focus. Also is there a way to autofill the combobox 
with the 1st record in a table when the combobox gets focus?

Thanks in advance
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From LYTLEN at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct  8 20:01:37 2003
From: LYTLEN at peoplepc.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:01:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 	What to do when subreport used as textbox source has
	no data
References: <web-33978719@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c38e00$e8dbd0d0$459595ce@servone>

Thanks everyone, I used the IIf statement and it works for the Sections that
have no subreport data, but for the sections with it, it nows comes up
"error#".

Code I used for the txtAB Control Source

=[njl_qryProgInitAuth].[Report]![Initial
Authorization]+[njl_qryProgChanges].[Report]![SumOfAuthorizationChanges]-IIf
([rptExec_SP].[Report].[HasData],[rptExec_Sp].[Report]![SumComm],0)-IIf([rpt
Exec_SP].[Report].[HasData],[rptExec_Sp].[Report]![SumOblig],0)

I guess I should have said that this subreport is in the ProgramCode Footer
section. Could that be a problem?

TIA,
Nancy
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has
no data


> Hi Nancy,
>
> The problem, I believe, is that when there is a null value
> the whole expression evaluates to null. I have solved this
> a few ways, but the easiest in most cases is something
> like this: txtAB = iif(Sub1.field,Sub1.field,0) +
> iif(sub2.field,sub2.field,0)- iif(sub3.field,
> sub3.field,0). I work mainly in Acc97, but in Acc2k and
> above there is also a NV function you could look at. This
> isn't perfect for all cases, but it does work for me.
>
> HTH,
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
>   "Nancy Lytle" <LYTLEN at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related
> >by the field
> >ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports
> >(Main and 2
> >subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values
> >in the subreports
> >to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field-
> >sub3.field -
> >sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where
> >the ProgramCode has
> >no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show
> >and the textbox is
> >filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use
> >txtAB = Sub1.field +
> >sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked
> >field.
> >
> >Hope I explained this okay.
> >TIA
> >Nancy L
> >
> >N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
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From lists at theopg.com  Wed Oct  8 20:14:41 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:14:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
	-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <006d01c38dfa$356619d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <002d01c38e02$b782fe80$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks for that...
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: 09 October 2003 01:14
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing
as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now
...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it
tends to blow the be mdb ime.
 
William Hindman
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you want liberty in your lifetime?
 
 

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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:lists at theopg.com"MarkH 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not
just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you
mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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isors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg
in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that
was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work
out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:lists at theopg.com"MarkH 
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discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  8 21:51:20 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:51:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question
In-Reply-To: <009401c38dfd$ff276500$53c2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEHKFCAA.john@winhaven.net>

John:

If Me.cboPrograms.ListCount > 0 Then
    Me.cboPrograms.Value = Me.cboPrograms.ItemData(0)
End If

HTH
John B.
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:41 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question


  Does anyone know how I could hide one of the combobox records on a form?
  example is I need to hide * All Programs *  from being displayed when
  the combobox gets focus. Also is there a way to autofill the combobox
  with the 1st record in a table when the combobox gets focus?

  Thanks in advance
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Oct  8 21:59:41 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:59:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help, date diff
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1561.24.187.36.171.1065668381.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group
I have to do procedure that checks if macro was already executed today (in
the last 14 hrs) and if yes doesn't do it again. I am taking last time it
was created from a table that contains only one record. Can someone please
remind me on how do I put the new value back into the table ? Write now I
get the error message that current database doesn't support update...
Also, do  Ineed to use ADO, or can do without if the table with date value
is in the same database ?

Option Compare Database
Dim ss As New ADODB.Connection
Dim rr As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim last_time As Date
Dim nnow As Date
Dim andy


Private Sub Command1_Click()
ss.ConnectionString = "DSN=Gina"
ss.Open
Set rr = ss.Execute("select * from Table1")

last_time = rr("gina")
nnow = Now()

andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)

If andy > 14 Then
 'XXX
  rr("gina").Value = nnow
   Else
    MsgBox ("The function was already performed today")
End If

End Sub


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct  8 22:48:59 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:48:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Help, date diff
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On 8 Oct 2003 at 22:59, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Hey Group
> I have to do procedure that checks if macro was already executed today (in
> the last 14 hrs) and if yes doesn't do it again. I am taking last time it
> was created from a table that contains only one record. Can someone please
> remind me on how do I put the new value back into the table ? Write now I
> get the error message that current database doesn't support update...

It doesn't if you get if as you have done below.

> Also, do  Ineed to use ADO, or can do without if the table with date value
> is in the same database ?

If the tables are either in the same mdb or linked, you can do it without 
ADO like this (assuming that Table1 is a single record  "System File":

last_time = DLookup("gina","Table1")
nnow = Now()
andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
 
 If andy > 14 Then
     DoCmd.Setwarnings False
     DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()"
     DoCmd.Setwarnings True
    Else
     MsgBox ("The function was already performed today")
 End If

Alternatively, using ADO, you can:
 
ss.Execute(""Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()")


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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 00:04:24 2003
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:04:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] amortization
In-Reply-To: <3F852242.5397.2080B6@localhost>
Message-ID: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEEEDKCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Terrific.

I forget about Access help sometimes because I hate A2K's implementation.
But I just fired up A97 and viola.

Thanks,

Bob

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] amortization


On 8 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Bob Heygood wrote:

> I am looking for some code/examples of creating an amortization
> table/report.
> I will have a beginning date, loan amount, a rate, and a period of time.
> How can I make a report/table that reads:
>
> Date   Payment Number   Payment Amount   Balance
>
>
Take a loook at the example for the PPMT function in Help.


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From askolits at ot.com  Thu Oct  9 00:11:30 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:11:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
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Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEEADFAA.askolits@ot.com>

I mean Win XP.

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Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


No, but when you said WIN XP, did you mean Office XP?

John


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> John Skolits
> Sent: 08 October 2003 19:33
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft 
> Access Can't Find"
> 
> 
> 
> I get this message when I simply call a basic function from 
> within Access 'using a macro'.
> 
> But I can call it from the Immediate window.
> 
> The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he 
> cancelled the process. XP was already on it so there was no 
> need for him to run the setup. Once he realized it he 
> cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any ideas?
> 
> John Skolits
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 01:47:01 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
Message-ID: <20031009064701.31112.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,
I've got a question regarding the form
frmMultiPickMSForms in Chapter 07 from the book
ADHK2K.

It uses listboxes and some controls to move items from
left to right, up and down, etc. I need a lot of this
functionality.

It uses a reference called: Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object
Library.

In short: I do not understand HOW it works.
First: when I open a new database I do NOT have this
reference. Why is that?

Second: How can these controls be 'controled'? It only
uses the code below. In wich MultiPikMSForms is a
class and RegisterControls and SetData are methods of
that class. How is it possible that when I click a
button action is taken? There are no events or
something like it connected to the control?!?!?!

Could somebody please explain? TIA!

SD

'------------------------------------
Private mmp As MultiPikMSForms
'------------------------------------
Private Sub Form_Load()
    ' Using MultiPikMSForms requires
    ' three steps:
    
    ' 1. Instantiate the object
    ' 2. Register the 8 controls with the object
    ' 3. Tell it where your data comes from
    
    Set mmp = New MultiPikMSForms
    
    mmp.RegisterControls lstAvailable, lstSelected, _
     cmdSelectOne, cmdSelectAll, cmdDeselectOne,
cmdDeselectAll, _
     cmdUp, cmdDown
     
    mmp.SetData "tblCustomer", "LastName"
End Sub
 
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From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:10:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F971C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

 
Does anyone know if the PlaySound API library also plays MP3/WMA files
or only WAV?
I like to use this API for reasons of speed. It plays files instantly
with any load delay, which is crucial for my app.
And for not beeing a control that needs to be installed on a pc.
 
 

 

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 04:26:06 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report doesn't show data?!
Message-ID: <20031009092606.65970.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,
I created a report. Recordsource is a query. 
The report has a report header and a report detail.
In the report header I have 12 labels named:
lblHeaderx (x = a number between 1 through 12)

In the report detail section I have 12 textboxes
named:
txtDatax (x = a number between 1 through 12)

In the forms On_Open event I've got the code below
(from ADHB2K). However I cannot seem to get any
data?!?! Any idea why not?

TIA

SD

Private Sub Report_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    ' You didn't know how many columns, or what
    ' their names would be, until now.
    ' Fill in the label captions,
    ' and control ControlSources.
    
    Dim intColCount As Integer
    Dim intControlCount As Integer
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim strName As String
    
    On Error Resume Next
    
    Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset
    
    Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
    rst.Open _
     Source:=Me.RecordSource, _
     ActiveConnection:=CurrentProject.Connection, _
     Options:=adCmdTable
    
    intColCount = rst.Fields.Count
    intControlCount = Me.Detail.Controls.Count
    
    If intControlCount < intColCount Then
        intColCount = intControlCount
    End If
    
    ' Fill in information for the necessary controls.
    For i = 1 To intColCount
        strName = rst.Fields(i - 1).Name
        Me.Controls("lblHeader" & i).Caption = strName
        Me.Controls("txtData" & i).ControlSource =
strName
    Next i
    
    ' Hide the extra controls.
    For i = intColCount + 1 To intControlCount
        Me.Controls("txtData" & i).Visible = False
        Me.Controls("lblHeader" & i).Visible = False
    Next i
    
    ' Close the recordset.
    rst.Close
End Sub


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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 04:40:34 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report doesn't show data?! <SOLVED>
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Message-ID: <20031009094034.83252.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry...the visible prop was NO!!

SD

PS: 14.400 records with 26 fields (12 was a test) in 2
seconds. Formatted, Moved and Coloured!!
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> I created a report. Recordsource is a query. 
> The report has a report header and a report detail.
> In the report header I have 12 labels named:
> lblHeaderx (x = a number between 1 through 12)
> 
> In the report detail section I have 12 textboxes
> named:
> txtDatax (x = a number between 1 through 12)
> 
> In the forms On_Open event I've got the code below
> (from ADHB2K). However I cannot seem to get any
> data?!?! Any idea why not?
> 
> TIA
> 
> SD
> 
> Private Sub Report_Open(Cancel As Integer)
>     ' You didn't know how many columns, or what
>     ' their names would be, until now.
>     ' Fill in the label captions,
>     ' and control ControlSources.
>     
>     Dim intColCount As Integer
>     Dim intControlCount As Integer
>     Dim i As Integer
>     Dim strName As String
>     
>     On Error Resume Next
>     
>     Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset
>     
>     Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
>     rst.Open _
>      Source:=Me.RecordSource, _
>      ActiveConnection:=CurrentProject.Connection, _
>      Options:=adCmdTable
>     
>     intColCount = rst.Fields.Count
>     intControlCount = Me.Detail.Controls.Count
>     
>     If intControlCount < intColCount Then
>         intColCount = intControlCount
>     End If
>     
>     ' Fill in information for the necessary
> controls.
>     For i = 1 To intColCount
>         strName = rst.Fields(i - 1).Name
>         Me.Controls("lblHeader" & i).Caption =
> strName
>         Me.Controls("txtData" & i).ControlSource =
> strName
>     Next i
>     
>     ' Hide the extra controls.
>     For i = intColCount + 1 To intControlCount
>         Me.Controls("txtData" & i).Visible = False
>         Me.Controls("lblHeader" & i).Visible = False
>     Next i
>     
>     ' Close the recordset.
>     rst.Close
> End Sub
> 
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From info at sdconsult.com.au  Thu Oct  9 07:21:59 2003
From: info at sdconsult.com.au (SDC)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:21:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Cant access code in Access2002
Message-ID: <001601c38e5f$f0762de0$3200a8c0@sdconsult.com.au>

I have encountered a new problem - when I open any database in Access
2002 (including Microsoft samples and new database) when I click on the
Code button, Access just hangs and wont open the code window. I have
tried re-installing Office XP 3 times, have blown away every extraneous
program, purchased registry cleaners and cleaned out registry, and
anything else you care to think of. Short of wiping my hard disk and
starting again, has anyone experienced this problem and does anyone have
any suggestions as to what I do next (I am running a Pentium III
1133MHz with dual processors each with 1MB RAM under Windows 2000
Service Pack 2)

 

Many thanks

 

David Denham

Gold Coast

Australia

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Oct  9 07:31:01 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:31:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3063B707@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF10@ADGSERVER>

I would never think about just releasing it w/o testing it.  The client has
a test system that we can use.  

I talked to the client yesterday and we determined that the office has
office XP on their systems.  So I suggested to them that there have been
problems loading the runtime onto systems with the full different version of
Office (per Charlotte).  So I think that I have nixed that idea for them.

Basically, the whole gist of what I was trying to do was to load the runtime
on a system without loading any programs other than the runtime.  When I ran
the setup wizard with an empty database as the program to install, it only
created 1MB of files.   I figured that the runtime would be much larger than
that.

Anyway, I do not have to worry about it now.  But thanks to all that
replied.

Bobby


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


...you absolutely have to do a trial install on a clean system ...there are
a number of things that work in Access that don't work in the runtime
installs ...and damned little info from MS on them :(

William Hindman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Buttrey" <todd_5036 at msn.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


> Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is 
> all
you
> need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way
to
> know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that 
> is
not
> built into Access97.
>
> Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it 
> and try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work 
> before you release it.  Even the install.
>
>
> Todd.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400
>
> Hey,
>
> Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO 
> I have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an 
> install using an older copy of Wise Installer.
>
> Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 
> 97
on
> their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the 
> set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total 
> up
to
> about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I
want
> to do is load the run-time on their PCs.
>
> We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will 
> be a moot point later.  But for now...
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  9 07:39:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:39:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
In-Reply-To: <20031009064701.31112.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEEBFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

SD,

I have just finished taking this stuff (from adh 97 apparently) and turning
it into a class.  In my case I use Withevents which means that the events
for the controls are handled right inside of the class.  It appears that
this is probably how this (your) version works as well.

Withevents is a keyword used with a dim statement for controls.  The syntax
looks like:

Private WithEvents mcmdAddOne As CommandButton

The Withevent keywords can only be used in a class, which the form module is
by the way.  Withevents says essentially, "this control is dimensioned 'with
its events' being handled in this class".

Once you dimension a control in this manner, then when an event for that
control fires, control CAN be passed to code in your class.  I stress the
word CAN because it won't necessarily be done.  In order for control for a
given event to be passed to your class, the event stub has to be present in
the class AND the exact text "[Event Procedure]" has to be present in the
corresponding control event property.

Any Access developer who programs the events for forms or controls is
already familiar with these restraints, although you may not have ever
thought about them.  When you want to use some event, you usually dbl-click
in the form or control's property.  Let's take a command button as an
example.

You dbl-click in the "On Click" property of the control.
The words "[Event Procedure]" magically appear in the property.  Nothing
else has happened so far.
You click on the ellipsis off to the right of the event.
You are magically transported to the code editor and the following text is
magically inserted into the form's module (which remember is a class).

Private Sub cmdOK_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As
Single, Y As Single)
End Sub

Remember I said that in order for control to be passed to a class you had to
have three things.

1) The control dimensioned "Withevents".
2) The exact text "[Event Procedure]" inserted in the event property of
interest in the control.
3) An event stub inserted in your class to gain control of (sink) the event
when it fires.

In essence the wizard behind the property box takes care of doing these
three things for you.

One thing to note here is that ALL controls (and the form itself) are
automatically "dimmed withevents" in a form's class module, i.e. it doesn't
have to be explicitly done.  In YOUR classes it will have to be done!

Once these three things are done, then when THAT event fires, control will
eventually be passed to your class and you can do whatever you want inside
that event stub.

So that my friend is Withevents, and that is probably why you don't see any
event handlers as you are accustomed to seeing in the form's class.  If you
don't understand this stuff, LEARN IT.  It will take your Access abilities
to a whole new level.  It's very easy to use and opens up a whole new world
of possibilities in your applications.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:47 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms


Hi group,
I've got a question regarding the form
frmMultiPickMSForms in Chapter 07 from the book
ADHK2K.

It uses listboxes and some controls to move items from
left to right, up and down, etc. I need a lot of this
functionality.

It uses a reference called: Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object
Library.

In short: I do not understand HOW it works.
First: when I open a new database I do NOT have this
reference. Why is that?

Second: How can these controls be 'controled'? It only
uses the code below. In wich MultiPikMSForms is a
class and RegisterControls and SetData are methods of
that class. How is it possible that when I click a
button action is taken? There are no events or
something like it connected to the control?!?!?!

Could somebody please explain? TIA!

SD

'------------------------------------
Private mmp As MultiPikMSForms
'------------------------------------
Private Sub Form_Load()
    ' Using MultiPikMSForms requires
    ' three steps:

    ' 1. Instantiate the object
    ' 2. Register the 8 controls with the object
    ' 3. Tell it where your data comes from

    Set mmp = New MultiPikMSForms

    mmp.RegisterControls lstAvailable, lstSelected, _
     cmdSelectOne, cmdSelectAll, cmdDeselectOne,
cmdDeselectAll, _
     cmdUp, cmdDown

    mmp.SetData "tblCustomer", "LastName"
End Sub

'------------------------------------


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  9 07:59:24 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:59:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF10@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <002b01c38e65$2a05cc50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...Charlotte's point was re loading an Access97 runtime on top of an
installed OfficeXP ...the only solution there that I know of is to uninstall
OXP, install the A97 runtime, and then reinstall OXP.

...if the client OfficeXP systems have AccessXP installed already, you can
install and use an A97 mdb in "enabled" mode without the runtime ...note
that I've not done this ...supposedly it works but you can't make any object
changes from XP.

...the runtime install will be MUCH larger than 1Mb but the size is really
dependent on a number of factors which as Charlotte suggested, you have not
provided.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


> I would never think about just releasing it w/o testing it.  The client
has
> a test system that we can use.
>
> I talked to the client yesterday and we determined that the office has
> office XP on their systems.  So I suggested to them that there have been
> problems loading the runtime onto systems with the full different version
of
> Office (per Charlotte).  So I think that I have nixed that idea for them.
>
> Basically, the whole gist of what I was trying to do was to load the
runtime
> on a system without loading any programs other than the runtime.  When I
ran
> the setup wizard with an empty database as the program to install, it only
> created 1MB of files.   I figured that the runtime would be much larger
than
> that.
>
> Anyway, I do not have to worry about it now.  But thanks to all that
> replied.
>
> Bobby
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
>
>
> ...you absolutely have to do a trial install on a clean system ...there
are
> a number of things that work in Access that don't work in the runtime
> installs ...and damned little info from MS on them :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd Buttrey" <todd_5036 at msn.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
>
>
> > Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is
> > all
> you
> > need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way
> to
> > know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that
> > is
> not
> > built into Access97.
> >
> > Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it
> > and try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work
> > before you release it.  Even the install.
> >
> >
> > Todd.
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> > Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
> > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO
> > I have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an
> > install using an older copy of Wise Installer.
> >
> > Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access
> > 97
> on
> > their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
> > set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total
> > up
> to
> > about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I
> want
> > to do is load the run-time on their PCs.
> >
> > We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will
> > be a moot point later.  But for now...
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Oct  9 08:52:41 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:52:41 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
	-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D4E@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

out of interest, what is a NIC?
 
alun
btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think of nothing :-(

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow the be mdb ime.
 
William Hindman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  9 08:56:48 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:56:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead
	MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D4E@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
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Message
  "NIC" - Network Interface Card

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


  out of interest, what is a NIC?

  alun
  btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
of nothing :-(
    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William Hindman
    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
    An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


    ...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing
as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if
Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow
the be mdb ime.

    William Hindman
    <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: MarkH
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
      Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


      Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not
just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you
mention it?

      Cheers

      Mark
        -----Original Message-----
        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
        Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
        To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


        It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.

        Drew
          -----Original Message-----
          From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
          Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
          To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


          Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in
size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was
more than an hour later.

          Mark
            -----Original Message-----
            From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
            Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
            To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
            Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


            Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you
work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
            Kath
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: MarkH
              To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
              Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
              Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


              Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering
code from
              several different projects and merging it into one new one...
I was
              hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning
...

              Cheers

              Mark

              -----Original Message-----
              From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
              [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
              Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
              To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
              Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
              processbecause...Youand another user are""


              Mark,

                Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3
hours
              already trying to get the old file to work.

              Jim Dettman
              President,
              Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
              (315) 699-3443
              jimdettman at earthlink.net

              -----Original Message-----
              From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
              [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
MarkH
              Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
              To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
              Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
              processbecause...You and another user are""


              Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I
get the
              same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose
those
              particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice
:O(

              Cheers

              Mark

              -----Original Message-----
              From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
              [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
              - Beach Access Software
              Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
              To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
              Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
process
              because...You and another user are""


              Mark:

              I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find
the one
              that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions
from which
              you could import the object that's corrupted in the current
version?

              Rocky

              ----- Original Message -----
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              To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
              <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
              Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
              Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...
              You and another user are""


              > Hello...
              >
              > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that
wont open.
              >
              > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped
the
              > process because you and another user are attempting to
change the same

              > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
              >
              > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and
import the
              > objects... :O(
              >
              > Any ideas much appreciated
              >
              > mark
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct  9 09:00:36 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:00:36 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD778D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

NIC: Network Interface Card

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Garraway, Alun [SMTP:Alun.Garraway at otto.de]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	AW: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
> -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
> 
> out of interest, what is a NIC?
>  
> alun
> btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
> of nothing :-(
> 
> 	-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> 	Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William
> Hindman
> 	Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
> 	An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 	Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
> -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
> 	
> 	
> 	...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me
> ...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look
> for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails,
> it tends to blow the be mdb ime.
> 	 
> 	William Hindman
> 	< <http://www.freestateproject.org>> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> 	 
> 	 
> 
> 		----- Original Message ----- 
> 		From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com> 
> 		To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
> 		Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
> 		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
> -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 
> 		Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever
> since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what
> makes you mention it?
> 		 
> 		Cheers
> 		 
> 		Mark
> 
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> 			Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
> 			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
> 			 
> 			Drew
> 
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
> 			Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
> 			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no
> indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so,
> not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down
> though, but that was more than an hour later. 
> 			 
> 			Mark
> 
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> 			Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
> 			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that
> stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place?
> Anything specific?
> 			Kath
> 
> 			----- Original Message ----- 
> 			From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com> 
> 			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving' <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
> 			Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 
> 			Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours
> butchering code from
> 			several different projects and merging it into one
> new one... I was
> 			hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it
> this morning ... 
> 			
> 			Cheers
> 			
> 			Mark
> 			
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> 			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> 			Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
> 			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stopped the
> 			processbecause...Youand another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Mark,
> 			
> 			  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've
> probably wasted 3 hours
> 			already trying to get the old file to work.
> 			
> 			Jim Dettman
> 			President,
> 			Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> 			(315) 699-3443
> 			jimdettman at earthlink.net
> <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> 			
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> 			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of MarkH
> 			Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
> 			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stopped the
> 			processbecause...You and another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Thanks... But I can't even import one object.
> Whatever I do I get the
> 			same error. I have a backup at work, but I don't
> want to lose those
> 			particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same
> thing twice :O(
> 			
> 			Cheers
> 			
> 			Mark
> 			
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> 			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> 			- Beach Access Software
> 			Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
> 			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stopped the process
> 			because...You and another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Mark:
> 			
> 			I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try
> to find the one
> 			that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous
> versions from which
> 			you could import the object that's corrupted in the
> current version?
> 			
> 			Rocky
> 			
> 			----- Original Message -----
> 			From: "MarkH" < lists at theopg.com
> <mailto:lists at theopg.com>>
> 			To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'"
> 			< accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>
> 			Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
> 			Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
> the process because...
> 			You and another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			> Hello...
> 			>
> 			> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB
> in XP that wont open.
> 			>
> 			> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database
> engine stopped the 
> 			> process because you and another user are
> attempting to change the same
> 			
> 			> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any
> further.
> 			>
> 			> I get the same error if I compact and repair or
> try and import the 
> 			> objects... :O(
> 			>
> 			> Any ideas much appreciated
> 			>
> 			> mark
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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Oct  9 09:02:56 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:02:56 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E2C@NT04.karta.com>

Alun,
See the below web site for LOL and other Chat Abbreviations.
http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci211776,00.ht
ml
<http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci211776,00.h
tml> 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Garraway, Alun [mailto:Alun.Garraway at otto.de]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


out of interest, what is a NIC?
 
alun
btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
of nothing :-(

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William Hindman
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing as
bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if
Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow
the be mdb ime.
 
William Hindman
< http://www.freestateproject.org <http://www.freestateproject.org> > - Do
you want liberty in your lifetime?
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just
backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem.
Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The
laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an
hour later. 
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out
how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net> 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct  9 09:07:20 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help, date diff
In-Reply-To: <3F85674B.21616.D97306@localhost>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<3F85674B.21616.D97306@localhost>
Message-ID: <48692.12.3.132.98.1065708440.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Thanks Stuart,
this works goo, exsept I am still not able to update the table...
With this line commented, it works
DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"

Also, I'd like it to be performed on opening of the database. Is that
possible ?


Private Sub Command1_Click()

last_time = DLookup("ldate", "Date")
nnow = Now()

andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)

If andy > 14 Then
   DoCmd.SetWarnings False
  ' DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
    msgbox ("ok")
   DoCmd.SetWarnings True
Else
    msgbox ("The function was already performed today")
End If

End Sub



> On 8 Oct 2003 at 22:59, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Group
>> I have to do procedure that checks if macro was already executed today
>> (in the last 14 hrs) and if yes doesn't do it again. I am taking last
>> time it was created from a table that contains only one record. Can
>> someone please remind me on how do I put the new value back into the
>> table ? Write now I get the error message that current database
>> doesn't support update...
>
> It doesn't if you get if as you have done below.
>
>> Also, do  Ineed to use ADO, or can do without if the table with date
>> value is in the same database ?
>
> If the tables are either in the same mdb or linked, you can do it
> without  ADO like this (assuming that Table1 is a single record  "System
> File":
>
> last_time = DLookup("gina","Table1")
> nnow = Now()
> andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
>
>  If andy > 14 Then
>      DoCmd.Setwarnings False
>      DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()"
>      DoCmd.Setwarnings True
>     Else
>      MsgBox ("The function was already performed today")
>  End If
>
> Alternatively, using ADO, you can:
>
> ss.Execute(""Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()")
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  9 09:13:04 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:13:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Report doesn't show data?!
In-Reply-To: <200310091357.h99Dv6e03990@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091209.027852a8@pop3.highstream.net>

SD,

Change it to the OnFormat event of the detail section and it will probably 
work.

Robert

At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Report doesn't show data?!
>To: Acces User Group <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20031009092606.65970.qmail at web60208.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hi group,
>I created a report. Recordsource is a query.
>The report has a report header and a report detail.
>In the report header I have 12 labels named:
>lblHeaderx (x = a number between 1 through 12)
>
>In the report detail section I have 12 textboxes
>named:
>txtDatax (x = a number between 1 through 12)
>
>In the forms On_Open event I've got the code below
>(from ADHB2K). However I cannot seem to get any
>data?!?! Any idea why not?
>
>TIA



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  9 09:19:20 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:19:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <200310091357.h99Dv6e03990@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091703.0259fc18@pop3.highstream.net>

NIC - Network Interface Card
LOL - Lots of Laughter
ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
IMO - In My Opinion

etc.



At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
>MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>
>
>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
>
>   alun
>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
>of nothing :-(



From chizotz at charter.net  Thu Oct  9 09:37:11 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:37:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091703.0259fc18@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <web-5778597@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

I though LOL was "laughing out loud" but YMMV (your milage 
may vary) :)

HTH (hope this helps)

Acronymically Yours,

Ron (who wants to believe its Friday, but no one else is 
cooperating)


On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:19:20 -0500
  "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net> wrote:
>NIC - Network Interface Card
>LOL - Lots of Laughter
>ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
>IMO - In My Opinion

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 09:54:29 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:54:29 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F9@main2.marlow.com>

I've always considered LOL to be Laugh Out Loud!

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Stewart
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 10/9/03 9:19 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)

NIC - Network Interface Card
LOL - Lots of Laughter
ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
IMO - In My Opinion

etc.



At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway,
Alun
>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
>MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>
>
>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
>
>   alun
>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still
think
>of nothing :-(


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From dan at rivercity.org  Thu Oct  9 10:07:56 2003
From: dan at rivercity.org (Dan Jeffery)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:07:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
	-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
Message-ID: <825F1757FD951F4187941C8534FA5048070B55@rcccserver.rcccadmin.org>

For future questions of a similar nature...
 
 
http://www.acronymfinder.com/
 
 
Dan
 
 
************************************************************************
**** 
 
 out of interest, what is a NIC?

 
alun
btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still
think of nothing :-(

 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 10:14:32 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:14:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] chk File
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD7D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Just a major HD glitch and I'm busy trying to recover my files.  I've got .chk file that simply contains the following:

Sub Main() 
DBEngine.SystemDB = "c:\windows\system\YourWorkgroupFile.mdw" 
DBEngine.DefaultUser = "brad" 
DBEngine.DefaultPassword = "orange" 
End Sub 

Does anyone have any idea if this is an actual complete file or just a lost piece of a file?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Oct  9 10:16:31 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:16:31 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29651@nnse14.nns.com>

> Ron (who wants to believe its Friday, but no one else is 
cooperating)

I'll cooperate...I won't be in tomorrow.


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Abbreviations (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)


I though LOL was "laughing out loud" but YMMV (your milage 
may vary) :)

HTH (hope this helps)

Acronymically Yours,

Ron (who wants to believe its Friday, but no one else is 
cooperating)


On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:19:20 -0500
  "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net> wrote:
>NIC - Network Interface Card
>LOL - Lots of Laughter
>ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
>IMO - In My Opinion
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 10:27:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:27:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312364@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Actually, we do this all the time with our commercial applications.
They include the Access 97 runtime (we're still migrating the products
to XP) and they install just fine with OXP in place, with or without
Access.  I wouldn't try it with a package created by the wizard, but we
use Wise and SageKey scripts for the purpose.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


...Charlotte's point was re loading an Access97 runtime on top of an
installed OfficeXP ...the only solution there that I know of is to
uninstall OXP, install the A97 runtime, and then reinstall OXP.

...if the client OfficeXP systems have AccessXP installed already, you
can install and use an A97 mdb in "enabled" mode without the runtime
...note that I've not done this ...supposedly it works but you can't
make any object changes from XP.

...the runtime install will be MUCH larger than 1Mb but the size is
really dependent on a number of factors which as Charlotte suggested,
you have not provided.
<snip>

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 10:31:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:31:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312365@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Unless you have ColumnHeads set to Yes, in which case, it's ItemData(1)

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access combobox question


John:
 
If Me.cboPrograms.ListCount > 0 Then
    Me.cboPrograms.Value = Me.cboPrograms.ItemData(0)
End If
 
HTH
John B.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
	Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:41 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question
	
	
	Does anyone know how I could hide one of the combobox records on
a form? 
	example is I need to hide * All Programs *  from being displayed
when 
	the combobox gets focus. Also is there a way to autofill the
combobox 
	with the 1st record in a table when the combobox gets focus?
	
	Thanks in advance
	John Eget 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  9 10:58:09 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:58:09 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtBY2Nlc3NEXSAgSW50ZXJTeXN0ZW1zIENhY2jpIGRhdGFiYXNl?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?IGVuZ2luZQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <6032405206.20030916174213@cactus.dk>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEFICNAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
 <6032405206.20030916174213@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <17330923014.20031009175809@cactus.dk>

Hi group

Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
engine next to the speed of the engine itself.

Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
application-like running in a browser.

The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
remember.

The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
next release - requiring modest hardware only.

/gustav


>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
>> otherwise?

>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>> not time limited.


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 11:11:19 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:11:19 -0400
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BAccessD=5D__InterSystems_Cach=E9_database_engine?=
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6C8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Gustav.  They're also having one near Boston next week but my boss doesn't see the value (at least not to spend the money for a one night trip up there). :-(.  Hopefully they'll come to the NYC area and I can check it out too.  The little time I did have to play with it was impressive.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


Hi group

Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
engine next to the speed of the engine itself.

Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
application-like running in a browser.

The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
remember.

The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
next release - requiring modest hardware only.

/gustav


>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
>> otherwise?

>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>> not time limited.

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  9 11:15:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:15:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312364@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008701c38e80$9da37840$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"but we use Wise and SageKey scripts for the purpose." Charlotte

...if you can afford them, they're obviously the way to go :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


> Actually, we do this all the time with our commercial applications.
> They include the Access 97 runtime (we're still migrating the products
> to XP) and they install just fine with OXP in place, with or without
> Access.  I wouldn't try it with a package created by the wizard, but we
> use Wise and SageKey scripts for the purpose.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
>
>
> ...Charlotte's point was re loading an Access97 runtime on top of an
> installed OfficeXP ...the only solution there that I know of is to
> uninstall OXP, install the A97 runtime, and then reinstall OXP.
>
> ...if the client OfficeXP systems have AccessXP installed already, you
> can install and use an A97 mdb in "enabled" mode without the runtime
> ...note that I've not done this ...supposedly it works but you can't
> make any object changes from XP.
>
> ...the runtime install will be MUCH larger than 1Mb but the size is
> really dependent on a number of factors which as Charlotte suggested,
> you have not provided.
> <snip>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 11:44:40 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:44:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded 
Message-ID: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I am getting an error in a loop which says:

File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.

I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.

Here's the code:

'********************************************************************************
Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")

With rstRecoveryTable

If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:

.MoveLast
txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
.MoveFirst
lngCount = 0

Do While Not .EOF

    lngCount = lngCount + 1
    If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
        txtRecordNumber = lngCount
        Me.Repaint
    End If
    
    .Edit

    If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
        !PriceError = 0
        !TotalDue = 0
    End If
    
    If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
        !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
        !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
    End If
    
    If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
        
        ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
        rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
            & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
        
        If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
            !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
            !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
        End If
        
    End If
    
    .Update
    
    .MoveNext
Loop

End With
'*************************************************************************

Any hints?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  9 11:45:26 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:45:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
In-Reply-To: <00e901c38ddc$bd1a12f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFAFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
door ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))

And before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig...

In the mid to late 90s my family and I lived in Puebla Mexico, about 60
miles East South East of Mexico City for about 5 years.  I love Mexico and
would be there today had I been able to find enough work over the internet
to keep me employed.

The "up in a plane ...out the door ...no parachute" actually came from the
practices of a Chilean dictator who allegedly got rid of his opponents in
that fashion.  Back when I lived in Mexico I used to facetiously suggest
that treatment for users who gave list members grief, and thus it became
known as "Colbyizing the user".

I have since become far more tolerant...

Yea, right!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


...lol ...I got half way through posting a suggestion that he "Colbyize" the
user as his first step ...then it dawned on me that I'd probably have to
explain that and that's just too damn much trouble these days :)))

...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the door
...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> Shoot the user.
>
> It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
will
> damned sure make the next user think twice before...
>
> Uhhh....
>
> Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com



From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct  9 11:49:47 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:49:47 -0400
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BAccessD=5D__InterSystems_Cach=E9_database_engine?=
In-Reply-To: <17330923014.20031009175809@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c38e85$59a843a0$7001a8c0@COA3>

Anyone know the pricing?  The site requires you to fill out a survey to
get pricing ... If the price isn't on the site, for anything, it?s
ususally way too expensive.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


Hi group

Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like language
- classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are at once
compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC, classes
via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access the data
simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly efficient
they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the engine next to
the speed of the engine itself.

Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as they
offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a hidden
frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is avoided -
this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious application-like
running in a browser.

The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
remember.

The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no more
efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and really
have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to anything
including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS, Tru64,
HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the next release
- requiring modest hardware only.

/gustav


>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or 
>> otherwise?

>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,

>> not time limited.

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Oct  9 11:48:13 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:18:13 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source hasno
	data
References: <web-33978719@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
	<00ac01c38e00$e8dbd0d0$459595ce@servone>
Message-ID: <004601c38e85$723bebb0$18edf73d@winxp>

Nancy,

    If the RecordSource for a subreport has no data, the only event that gets fired (for the report acting as SourceObject for the subreport control) is its open event. The subreport behaves as if its various sections (and controls located thereon) do not exist. Calculations referring to such controls are therefore bound to return an error.

    In order to overcome such a situation, the formula to be used in the parent report (either in a calculated text box or in VBA code) has to be as follows (Q_SR is the name of query acting as RecorSource for subreport, SR is the name of subreport control on parent report, and TxtSR is the name of control on subreport whose value is to be obtained) -

    ReqdValue = IIf(DCount("*","Q_SR") > 0, SR("TxtSR"), 0)

    It would be nice if you could kindly try it out and let me know.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nancy Lytle 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 06:31
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source hasno data


  Thanks everyone, I used the IIf statement and it works for the Sections that
  have no subreport data, but for the sections with it, it nows comes up
  "error#".

  Code I used for the txtAB Control Source

  =[njl_qryProgInitAuth].[Report]![Initial
  Authorization]+[njl_qryProgChanges].[Report]![SumOfAuthorizationChanges]-IIf
  ([rptExec_SP].[Report].[HasData],[rptExec_Sp].[Report]![SumComm],0)-IIf([rpt
  Exec_SP].[Report].[HasData],[rptExec_Sp].[Report]![SumOblig],0)

  I guess I should have said that this subreport is in the ProgramCode Footer
  section. Could that be a problem?

  TIA,
  Nancy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Ron Allen" <chizotz at charter.net>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has
  no data


  > Hi Nancy,
  >
  > The problem, I believe, is that when there is a null value
  > the whole expression evaluates to null. I have solved this
  > a few ways, but the easiest in most cases is something
  > like this: txtAB = iif(Sub1.field,Sub1.field,0) +
  > iif(sub2.field,sub2.field,0)- iif(sub3.field,
  > sub3.field,0). I work mainly in Acc97, but in Acc2k and
  > above there is also a NV function you could look at. This
  > isn't perfect for all cases, but it does work for me.
  >
  > HTH,
  >
  > Ron
  >
  >
  >
  > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
  >   "Nancy Lytle" <LYTLEN at peoplepc.com> wrote:
  > >I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related
  > >by the field
  > >ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports
  > >(Main and 2
  > >subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values
  > >in the subreports
  > >to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field-
  > >sub3.field -
  > >sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where
  > >the ProgramCode has
  > >no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show
  > >and the textbox is
  > >filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use
  > >txtAB = Sub1.field +
  > >sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked
  > >field.
  > >
  > >Hope I explained this okay.
  > >TIA
  > >Nancy L
  > >
  > >N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
  > >240-274-0069

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  9 11:56:58 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:56:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFAFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c38e86$5a189c30$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig" JC

...you mean you're not? ...I always pictured you with a curly tail! :(((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> >...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
> door ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))
>
> And before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig...
>
> In the mid to late 90s my family and I lived in Puebla Mexico, about 60
> miles East South East of Mexico City for about 5 years.  I love Mexico and
> would be there today had I been able to find enough work over the internet
> to keep me employed.
>
> The "up in a plane ...out the door ...no parachute" actually came from the
> practices of a Chilean dictator who allegedly got rid of his opponents in
> that fashion.  Back when I lived in Mexico I used to facetiously suggest
> that treatment for users who gave list members grief, and thus it became
> known as "Colbyizing the user".
>
> I have since become far more tolerant...
>
> Yea, right!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> ...lol ...I got half way through posting a suggestion that he "Colbyize"
the
> user as his first step ...then it dawned on me that I'd probably have to
> explain that and that's just too damn much trouble these days :)))
>
> ...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
door
> ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> > >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> > process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
> setup.
> > Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly.
Any
> > ideas?
> >
> > Shoot the user.
> >
> > It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
> will
> > damned sure make the next user think twice before...
> >
> > Uhhh....
> >
> > Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  9 12:06:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:06:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] The End of DLL Hell (was: OT - Registrering DLL's)
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAELDDEAA.askolits@ot.com>
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAELDDEAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <2834995991.20031009190602@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I've never heard of "Private DLLs" and zero-byte .local files like

  "SuperApp.exe.local"

Anyway, here's a link:

  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsetup/html/dlldanger1.asp

Is this really to be trusted?
Anyone having experience with this?

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  9 12:09:13 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:09:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
In-Reply-To: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <635186986.20031009190913@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

You did cut away in the code snip:

  Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
  Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing

?

/gustav


> Dear List:

> I am getting an error in a loop which says:

> File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.

> I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different
> counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.

> Here's the code:

> '********************************************************************************
> Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
> Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")

> With rstRecoveryTable

> If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:

> .MoveLast
> txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
> .MoveFirst
> lngCount = 0

> Do While Not .EOF

>     lngCount = lngCount + 1
>     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
>         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
>         Me.Repaint
>     End If
    
>     .Edit

>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
>         !PriceError = 0
>         !TotalDue = 0
>     End If
    
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
>         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
>         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>     End If
    
>     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
        
>         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
>         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
>             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
        
>         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
>             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
>             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>         End If
        
>     End If
    
>     .Update
    
>     .MoveNext
> Loop

> End With
> '*************************************************************************

> Any hints?

> MTIA,

> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct  9 12:27:09 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:27:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
In-Reply-To: <635186986.20031009190913@cactus.dk>
References: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
        <635186986.20031009190913@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <14306.12.3.132.98.1065720429.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey,

Can I have code to execute on Database open in Access ? Or somehow insert
VBA in autoxec macro ?




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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  9 12:34:12 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:34:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F9@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEMBELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oh, Man! Here I thought it meant "Lots of Love"...

Not only does it hurt to find out that you aren't all loving me but to know
that my mom is just laughing at me all the time!
:o(

<big grin>
Not Friday yet but wishing...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com '
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Abbreviations (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
>
>
> I've always considered LOL to be Laugh Out Loud!
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert L. Stewart
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: 10/9/03 9:19 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
>
> NIC - Network Interface Card
> LOL - Lots of Laughter
> ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
> IMO - In My Opinion
>
> etc.
>
>
>
> At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway,
> Alun
> >   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
> >   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
> >MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
> >
> >
> >   out of interest, what is a NIC?
> >
> >   alun
> >   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still
> think
> >of nothing :-(
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 12:35:17 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:35:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The End of DLL Hell (was: OT - Registrering DLL's)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312368@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I have heard of private dlls, which is essentially what you do with a
runtime install, but I hadn't gotten into the details of the local
files.  Interesting.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The End of DLL Hell (was: OT - Registrering
DLL's)


Hi all

I've never heard of "Private DLLs" and zero-byte .local files like

  "SuperApp.exe.local"

Anyway, here's a link:

  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsetup/html/dlldanger1.asp

Is this really to be trusted?
Anyone having experience with this?

/gustav

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 12:36:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:36:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312369@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can use a RunCode action in an autoexec macro to call a function at
startup or you can set a startup form and put code in its Open event.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening


Hey,

Can I have code to execute on Database open in Access ? Or somehow
insert VBA in autoxec macro ?




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From jonsulli at swbell.net  Thu Oct  9 12:36:32 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:36:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091703.0259fc18@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091703.0259fc18@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <3F859CA0.8060606@swbell.net>

Let's add one more that may not show up on your list:

    LTOTMTAB   Lazy Typist Obfuscating the Meaning To Appear Brilliant

John Sullivan

Robert L. Stewart wrote:

> NIC - Network Interface Card
> LOL - Lots of Laughter
> ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
> IMO - In My Opinion
>
> etc.
>
>
>
> At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
>>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
>>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
>> MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>>
>>
>>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
>>
>>   alun
>>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can 
>> still think
>> of nothing :-(
>
>
>
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu Oct  9 12:37:39 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:37:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
Message-ID: <OFCFD64C6A.51AFAE59-ON86256DBA.0060B50E-86256DBA.0060D0B5@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


You can create a "Splash" screen and set the db properties to open the form
when starting the db.  You can look in the "Samples.mdb" db for A97 or
maybe even the help in A2K and AXP


                                                                                                                                 
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Hey,

Can I have code to execute on Database open in Access ? Or somehow insert
VBA in autoxec macro ?




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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 12:39:56 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:39:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
References: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
	<635186986.20031009190913@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <017a01c38e8c$5b095610$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Gustav:

Yeah.  But the problem comes before there anyway.  It's in the loop.

Rocky

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


> Hi Rocky
>
> You did cut away in the code snip:
>
>   Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
>   Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing
>
> ?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Dear List:
>
> > I am getting an error in a loop which says:
>
> > File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry
entry.
>
> > I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be
exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is
there a trick to doing that? It blows at different
> > counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes
40,000.
>
> > Here's the code:
>
> >
'***************************************************************************
*****
> > Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
> > Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM
tblPrintRecoveryForm")
>
> > With rstRecoveryTable
>
> > If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
>
> > .MoveLast
> > txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
> > .MoveFirst
> > lngCount = 0
>
> > Do While Not .EOF
>
> >     lngCount = lngCount + 1
> >     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
> >         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
> >         Me.Repaint
> >     End If
>
> >     .Edit
>
> >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
> >         !PriceError = 0
> >         !TotalDue = 0
> >     End If
>
> >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
> >         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
> >         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> >     End If
>
> >     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
>
> >         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
> >         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" &
!fldInvoiceDate _
> >             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
>
> >         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
> >             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
> >             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) *
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> >         End If
>
> >     End If
>
> >     .Update
>
> >     .MoveNext
> > Loop
>
> > End With
> >
'*************************************************************************
>
> > Any hints?
>
> > MTIA,
>
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 12:54:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:54:03 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227301@main2.marlow.com>

Put a command button on your form called cmdAlwaysOnTop, then paste the
following code behind your form...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private Declare Function SetWindowPos Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
ByVal hWndInsertAfter As Long, ByVal x As Long, ByVal y As Long, ByVal _
cx As Long, ByVal cy As Long, ByVal wFlags As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function IsWindowVisible Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long)
As Long
Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Private Const SW_SHOW = 5
Private Const SWP_NOMOVE = &H2
Private Const SWP_NOSIZE = &H1
Private Const HWND_TOPMOST = -1
Private Const HWND_NOTOPMOST = -2

Private Sub cmdAlwaysOnTop_Click()
If IsWindowVisible(Application.hWndAccessApp) Then
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_TOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
    ShowWindow Me.hwnd, SW_SHOW 'Not needed in Access 97
    Me.Repaint 'Not needed in Access 97
Else
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOW
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_NOTOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
End If
End Sub
Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)
If IsWindowVisible(Application.hWndAccessApp) = False Then
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOW
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_NOTOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
End If
End Sub


This code works in 97 and 2000, and Susan is testing it in XP.  You'll need
to Popup property set to Yes.  NOTE:  Access 2000 and up required the Modal
property to be set to yes also, but that caused this code to not work.  The
two lines that are commented with 'Not needed in Access 97 are what I used
to get around having to set the Modal property to Yes.

Drew

From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct  9 12:58:11 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:58:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0C9@stekelbes.ithelps.local>



Set nothing is not sufficient.

Recordsets/tabls need to be closed to.

   rstTaxRate.close
   rstRecoveryTable.close

   Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
   Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing

Is the correct syntax.

Set nothing terminates the object container but not the underlying
table. This could result in lock that stay open and is why you sometimes
can not close access...


Also replace !fieldname With .fields("fieldname")
It sounds funny but your routine will run faster, tell me how much you
won...


>

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Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


Gustav:

Yeah.  But the problem comes before there anyway.  It's in the loop.

Rocky

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


> Hi Rocky
>
> You did cut away in the code snip:
>
>   Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
>   Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing
>
> ?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Dear List:
>
> > I am getting an error in a loop which says:
>
> > File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry
entry.
>
> > I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be
exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.
Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different
> > counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes
40,000.
>
> > Here's the code:
>
> >
'***********************************************************************
****
*****
> > Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates") Set 
> > rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM
tblPrintRecoveryForm")
>
> > With rstRecoveryTable
>
> > If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
>
> > .MoveLast
> > txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
> > .MoveFirst
> > lngCount = 0
>
> > Do While Not .EOF
>
> >     lngCount = lngCount + 1
> >     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
> >         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
> >         Me.Repaint
> >     End If
>
> >     .Edit
>
> >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
> >         !PriceError = 0
> >         !TotalDue = 0
> >     End If
>
> >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
> >         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
> >         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> >     End If
>
> >     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
>
> >         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is
zero
> >         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" &
!fldInvoiceDate _
> >             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
>
> >         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
> >             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
> >             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) *
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> >         End If
>
> >     End If
>
> >     .Update
>
> >     .MoveNext
> > Loop
>
> > End With
> >
'***********************************************************************
**
>
> > Any hints?
>
> > MTIA,
>
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct  9 13:01:41 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:01:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9730@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You can create an autoexec marco that is run when openening the
database.
In the autoexec you can use "ProcedureUitvoeren" thats dutch I supose it
will be ExecuteProcedure in enlgish.
There you can specify the name of a function, it MUST be a function not
a sub and must end with ()

example AreTablesAttached() is one I use.

 

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Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] code on Database Opening



You can create a "Splash" screen and set the db properties to open the
form when starting the db.  You can look in the "Samples.mdb" db for A97
or maybe even the help in A2K and AXP


 

                    Oleg_123 at xuppa.com

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct  9 13:02:55 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <3F859CA0.8060606@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20031009180255.58196.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
GMTA = Great Minds Think Alike
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly

--- John Sullivan <jonsulli at swbell.net> wrote:
> Let's add one more that may not show up on your
> list:
> 
>     LTOTMTAB   Lazy Typist Obfuscating the Meaning
> To Appear Brilliant
> 
> John Sullivan
> 
> Robert L. Stewart wrote:
> 
> > NIC - Network Interface Card
> > LOL - Lots of Laughter
> > ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A**
> off
> > IMO - In My Opinion
> >
> > etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
> >>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
> >>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> >>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
> >> MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother
> user are""
> >>
> >>
> >>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
> >>
> >>   alun
> >>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after
> 3 months I can 
> >> still think
> >> of nothing :-(
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
> 
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Oct  9 13:08:12 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:08:12 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29658@nnse14.nns.com>

Excellent.  If I were to make an observation...could similar code be placed
in a module and called from checkboxes located on multiple forms...toggle
on/off as desired?  Don't waste any time on it...just curious given the
problems you've overcome thus far.



Mark



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From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:54 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)


Put a command button on your form called cmdAlwaysOnTop, then paste the
following code behind your form...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private Declare Function SetWindowPos Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
ByVal hWndInsertAfter As Long, ByVal x As Long, ByVal y As Long, ByVal _ cx
As Long, ByVal cy As Long, ByVal wFlags As Long) As Long Private Declare
Function IsWindowVisible Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long) As Long Private
Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _ ByVal
nCmdShow As Long) As Long Const SW_HIDE = 0 Private Const SW_SHOW = 5
Private Const SWP_NOMOVE = &H2 Private Const SWP_NOSIZE = &H1 Private Const
HWND_TOPMOST = -1 Private Const HWND_NOTOPMOST = -2

Private Sub cmdAlwaysOnTop_Click()
If IsWindowVisible(Application.hWndAccessApp) Then
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_TOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
    ShowWindow Me.hwnd, SW_SHOW 'Not needed in Access 97
    Me.Repaint 'Not needed in Access 97
Else
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOW
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_NOTOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
End If
End Sub
Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)
If IsWindowVisible(Application.hWndAccessApp) = False Then
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOW
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_NOTOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
End If
End Sub


This code works in 97 and 2000, and Susan is testing it in XP.  You'll need
to Popup property set to Yes.  NOTE:  Access 2000 and up required the Modal
property to be set to yes also, but that caused this code to not work.  The
two lines that are commented with 'Not needed in Access 97 are what I used
to get around having to set the Modal property to Yes.

Drew
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 13:19:28 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:19:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Pretty Code Print
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD8D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

And the good news is that PCP v2.0 is just released and supports Office 2K and higher.  Bad news... it's no longer a freebie ($49 US).  They've added a few new decent features as well - http://www.prettycode.com/pcp

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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Thu Oct  9 13:23:57 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:23:57 -0700 
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C4D@EXCHMAIL>

http://www.al6400.com/resources/acronyms.shtml



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Abbreviations (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)


IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
GMTA = Great Minds Think Alike
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly

--- John Sullivan <jonsulli at swbell.net> wrote:
> Let's add one more that may not show up on your
> list:
> 
>     LTOTMTAB   Lazy Typist Obfuscating the Meaning
> To Appear Brilliant
> 
> John Sullivan
> 
> Robert L. Stewart wrote:
> 
> > NIC - Network Interface Card
> > LOL - Lots of Laughter
> > ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A**
> off
> > IMO - In My Opinion
> >
> > etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
> >>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
> >>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> >>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
> >> MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother
> user are""
> >>
> >>
> >>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
> >>
> >>   alun
> >>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after
> 3 months I can 
> >> still think
> >> of nothing :-(
> >
> >
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  9 13:26:36 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:26:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Help, date diff
In-Reply-To: <200310091645.h99Gj0e26907@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009131240.02644c60@pop3.highstream.net>

Oleg,

You need to rename your table.  DATE is a reserved word in Access and you 
are probably hitting that as an issue.

I would recommend naming it tsys_LastDate.  You know it is a table 
(t).  You know the system uses it (sys).  And, you know it's function (Last 
Date).

Also, I would name your command button something other than Command1.

Something like this would work:

Sub Check_Run_Date()
      dim db as database, rs as recordset
      set db = currentdb()
      set rs = db.openrecordset("SELECT * FROM tsys_LastDate;", dbopendynaset)
      if DateDiff("h", rs!LDate, now()) > 14 then
           rs.edit
                rs!LDate = now()
           rs.update
      Else
           msgbox ("The function was already performed today")
      End If
      rs.close
      set db = nothing
End Sub


At 11:45 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT)
>From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help, date diff
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <48692.12.3.132.98.1065708440.squirrel at heck.bay9.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Thanks Stuart,
>this works goo, exsept I am still not able to update the table...
>With this line commented, it works
>DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
>
>Also, I'd like it to be performed on opening of the database. Is that
>possible ?
>
>
>Private Sub Command1_Click()
>
>last_time = DLookup("ldate", "Date")
>nnow = Now()
>
>andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
>
>If andy > 14 Then
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>   ' DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
>     msgbox ("ok")
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>Else
>     msgbox ("The function was already performed today")
>End If
>
>End Sub



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Oct  9 13:51:13 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:21:13 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120F01@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <005701c38e96$9a63b490$fcedf73d@winxp>

Martin,

    While making a crosstab query, automatic creation of a column with heading  <>  signifies that it contains a mixture of nameless  columns corresponding to Null values in the field designated to provide the column headings.

    As a simple illustration, let table T_Test have three fields with values as follows -
    F_1 (Text)        F_2(Text)        F_3(Number)
        A                        L                        3
        A                                                   4
        B                                                   6
        B                        R                        2
        C                        L                        5
        C                        R                        7

    If a crosstab query is created in a routine manner, F_1(group by) as row, F_2(group by) as column and F_3(Sum) as value, it will look like -
    F_1                <>                L                R
        A                  4                 3                
        B                  6                                    2
        C                                     5                 7

    Normally, this can be left as it is - while taking care to interpret the column headed <> as follows -
    Item A has 4 numbers where field F_2 has Null value.
    Item B has 6 numbers where field F_2 has Null value.

    However, if due to some reason, you are very keen to have more descriptive headings (in lieu of  <>) without interfering with basic data, calculated field F_2M can be used instead of  field F_2 -
    F_2M: IIf(Len([F_2])>0, [F_2], [F_1] & "_NULL")

    The crosstab query will now give the following display -
        F_1        A_NULL        B_NULL        L               R 
        A                  4                                        3                
        B                                          6                                   2
        C                                                             5                7

    It will be nice if you could kindly try it out and let me know.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Porter, Mark 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 23:38
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 


  You can also investigate the 'Switch' command, switching a <NULL> value for
  an actual text string like "Null".

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:56 AM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 
  > 
  > 
  > Is the crosstab using the values as the column headings?  If so, you
  > could use a calculated field to return an IsNull expression.
  > 
  > Charlotte Foust
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:47 AM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 
  > 
  > 
  > I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.
  > 
  > Martin
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab
  > 
  > 
  > > Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
  > >
  > > Susan H.
  > >
  > >
  > > > Running a major cross tab report
  > > >
  > > > A lot of the values are null
  > > >
  > > > Problem
  > > >
  > > > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
  > > >
  > > > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
  > > >
  > > > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is 
  > tossing out 
  > > > my calculations.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Martin

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 14:15:22 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:15:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0C9@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <01f801c38e99$afa766f0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Erwin:

I closed the table before setting the objects to nothing.  Tried the .fields
approach but, at least in this case, it didn't make any difference in the
time.

I don't think closing the objects is the problem because the error occurs in
the loop before I get to the close.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


>
>
> Set nothing is not sufficient.
>
> Recordsets/tabls need to be closed to.
>
>    rstTaxRate.close
>    rstRecoveryTable.close
>
>    Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
>    Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing
>
> Is the correct syntax.
>
> Set nothing terminates the object container but not the underlying
> table. This could result in lock that stay open and is why you sometimes
> can not close access...
>
>
> Also replace !fieldname With .fields("fieldname")
> It sounds funny but your routine will run faster, tell me how much you
> won...
>
>
> >
>
> Erwin Craps
>
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> Verzonden: donderdag 9 oktober 2003 19:40
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
>
>
> Gustav:
>
> Yeah.  But the problem comes before there anyway.  It's in the loop.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > You did cut away in the code snip:
> >
> >   Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
> >   Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing
> >
> > ?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Dear List:
> >
> > > I am getting an error in a loop which says:
> >
> > > File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry
> entry.
> >
> > > I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be
> exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.
> Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different
> > > counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes
> 40,000.
> >
> > > Here's the code:
> >
> > >
> '***********************************************************************
> ****
> *****
> > > Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates") Set
> > > rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM
> tblPrintRecoveryForm")
> >
> > > With rstRecoveryTable
> >
> > > If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
> >
> > > .MoveLast
> > > txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
> > > .MoveFirst
> > > lngCount = 0
> >
> > > Do While Not .EOF
> >
> > >     lngCount = lngCount + 1
> > >     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
> > >         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
> > >         Me.Repaint
> > >     End If
> >
> > >     .Edit
> >
> > >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
> > >         !PriceError = 0
> > >         !TotalDue = 0
> > >     End If
> >
> > >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
> > >         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
> > >         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> > >     End If
> >
> > >     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
> >
> > >         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is
> zero
> > >         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" &
> !fldInvoiceDate _
> > >             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
> >
> > >         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
> > >             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
> > >             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) *
> !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> > >         End If
> >
> > >     End If
> >
> > >     .Update
> >
> > >     .MoveNext
> > > Loop
> >
> > > End With
> > >
> '***********************************************************************
> **
> >
> > > Any hints?
> >
> > > MTIA,
> >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> >
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  9 14:24:30 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:24:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: File Sharing lock count exceeded
In-Reply-To: <200310091645.h99Gj0e26907@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009133519.02642460@pop3.highstream.net>

Rocky,

Break your process into steps.

The following should be close but I think the term is air code.

dim db as database, rs as recordset, rsTax as recordset
dim strSQL as string
dim curSalesTax as currency
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE Nz(fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0;)
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      rs.close
      strsql = "UPDATE tblPrintRecoveryForm SET PriceError = 0,"
      strsql = strsql & " TotalDue = 0"
      strsql = strsql & " WHERE Nz(fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0;)
      docmd.runsql strsql
end if
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid < 0;)"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      rs.close
      strsql = "UPDATE tblPrintRecoveryForm"
      strsql = strsql & " SET PriceError = fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid,"
      strsql = strsql & " TotalDue = PriceError * fldInvoiceDetailQuantity"
      strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid < 0;)"
      docmd.runsql strsql
end if
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = 'Y';)"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      with rs
           .movefirst
           do until .eof
                strsql = SELECT *"
                strsql = strsql & " FROM tblTaxRates
                strsql = strsql & " WEHRE fldTaxRateStartDate <= #"
                strsql = strsql &  !fldInvoiceDate & "# AND 
fldTaxRateEndDate >= #"
                strsql = strsql & !fldInvoiceDate & "#;"
                set rstax = db.openrecordset(strsql, dbopensnapshot)
                if not(rstax.eof and rstax.bof) then  ' a tax rate was found
                     .edit
                          curSalesTax = !PriceError * rsTax!fldTaxRate
                          !SalesTax = curSalesTax
                          !TotalDue = (!PriceError + curSalesTax) * 
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
                     .update
                end if
                .movenext
           loop
      end with
end if
rs.close
rstax.close
set db=nothing


Watch for line wraps
HTH

Robert

At 11:45 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:44:40 -0700
>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0 at HAL9002>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Dear List:
>
>I am getting an error in a loop which says:
>
>File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.
>
>I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be 
>exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being 
>created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, 
>too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.
>
>Here's the code:
>
>'********************************************************************************
>Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
>Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")
>
>With rstRecoveryTable
>
>If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
>
>.MoveLast
>txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
>.MoveFirst
>lngCount = 0
>
>Do While Not .EOF
>
>     lngCount = lngCount + 1
>     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
>         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
>         Me.Repaint
>     End If
>
>     .Edit
>
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
>         !PriceError = 0
>         !TotalDue = 0
>     End If
>
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
>         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
>         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>     End If
>
>     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
>
>         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
>         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
>             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
>
>         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
>             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
>             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>         End If
>
>     End If
>
>     .Update
>
>     .MoveNext
>Loop
>
>End With
>'*************************************************************************
>
>Any hints?
>
>MTIA,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 14:32:22 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:32:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD96@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA Extensibility and Excel libraries.

<code>
Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook

Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent


Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject

Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form module


For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
Next
</code>

TIA,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 14:37:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:37:14 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Y
	ouand	another user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227304@main2.marlow.com>

Because we had a faulty NIC, on a laptop docking station, that was
corrupting one of my databases every week.  (It read it fine, but everyone's
machine has a VB .exe that dumps the current info about that machine
(memory, disk space, etc.) into the database every 7 days.).  So when you
mentioned your laptop, it just brought that too mind.  We put a PCMCIA NIC
into the laptop, and didn't have anymore problems.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just
backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem.
Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The
laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an
hour later. 
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out
how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net> 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 14:42:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:42:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227306@main2.marlow.com>

It is Friday for me...cause I'm off until Tuesday after tonight! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Abbreviations (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)


I though LOL was "laughing out loud" but YMMV (your milage 
may vary) :)

HTH (hope this helps)

Acronymically Yours,

Ron (who wants to believe its Friday, but no one else is 
cooperating)


On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:19:20 -0500
  "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net> wrote:
>NIC - Network Interface Card
>LOL - Lots of Laughter
>ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
>IMO - In My Opinion
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 14:43:49 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:43:49 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227307@main2.marlow.com>

PCMCIA actually means Personal Computer Memory Card Interactive Association.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
uandanother user are""


Alun,
See the below web site for LOL and other Chat Abbreviations.
http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci211776,00.ht
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Oct  9 14:44:04 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:44:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: 	<BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120F01@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
	<005701c38e96$9a63b490$fcedf73d@winxp>
Message-ID: <001701c38e9d$b3c815f0$5b0b6351@martin1>

Great

Learn something on this list every day

Will try this in the morning and let you know how it goes

Martin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.Tejpal 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 


  Martin,

      While making a crosstab query, automatic creation of a column with heading  <>  signifies that it contains a mixture of nameless  columns corresponding to Null values in the field designated to provide the column headings.

      As a simple illustration, let table T_Test have three fields with values as follows -
      F_1 (Text)        F_2(Text)        F_3(Number)
          A                        L                        3
          A                                                   4
          B                                                   6
          B                        R                        2
          C                        L                        5
          C                        R                        7

      If a crosstab query is created in a routine manner, F_1(group by) as row, F_2(group by) as column and F_3(Sum) as value, it will look like -
      F_1                <>                L                R
          A                  4                 3                
          B                  6                                    2
          C                                     5                 7

      Normally, this can be left as it is - while taking care to interpret the column headed <> as follows -
      Item A has 4 numbers where field F_2 has Null value.
      Item B has 6 numbers where field F_2 has Null value.

      However, if due to some reason, you are very keen to have more descriptive headings (in lieu of  <>) without interfering with basic data, calculated field F_2M can be used instead of  field F_2 -
      F_2M: IIf(Len([F_2])>0, [F_2], [F_1] & "_NULL")

      The crosstab query will now give the following display -
          F_1        A_NULL        B_NULL        L               R 
          A                  4                                        3                
          B                                          6                                   2
          C                                                             5                7

      It will be nice if you could kindly try it out and let me know.

  Regards,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Porter, Mark 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 23:38
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 


    You can also investigate the 'Switch' command, switching a <NULL> value for
    an actual text string like "Null".

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:56 AM
    > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    > Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 
    > 
    > 
    > Is the crosstab using the values as the column headings?  If so, you
    > could use a calculated field to return an IsNull expression.
    > 
    > Charlotte Foust
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:47 AM
    > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    > Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 
    > 
    > 
    > I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.
    > 
    > Martin
    > 
    > 
    > ----- Original Message ----- 
    > From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
    > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
    > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
    > Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab
    > 
    > 
    > > Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
    > >
    > > Susan H.
    > >
    > >
    > > > Running a major cross tab report
    > > >
    > > > A lot of the values are null
    > > >
    > > > Problem
    > > >
    > > > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
    > > >
    > > > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
    > > >
    > > > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is 
    > tossing out 
    > > > my calculations.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Martin



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 14:47:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:47:44 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227308@main2.marlow.com>

That might be a bit difficult, since it hides the Access window, but you
could have multiple popup forms visible, the one that's active would be on
top of the others, and they would ALL be on top of other windows on your
machine.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)


Excellent.  If I were to make an observation...could similar code be placed
in a module and called from checkboxes located on multiple forms...toggle
on/off as desired?  Don't waste any time on it...just curious given the
problems you've overcome thus far.



Mark



From jonsulli at swbell.net  Thu Oct  9 15:05:26 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:05:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD96@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD96@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3F85BF86.1050200@swbell.net>

Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the 
references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  9 16:03:00 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:03:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded 
In-Reply-To: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKAEDMHJAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Rocky,

<<Any hints?>>

 The database(s) are all on a station or split between a client and server?

 Besides that, don't use SQL statements when opening the tables, just open
them directly.

Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("tblTaxRates")
Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("tblPrintRecoveryForm")

  JET's trying to use an implicit transaction to handle the update because
of that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:45 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


  Dear List:

  I am getting an error in a loop which says:

  File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry
entry.

  I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be exceeded.
Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is there a
trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, too.  Sometimes over
70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.

  Here's the code:


'***************************************************************************
*****
  Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
  Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM
tblPrintRecoveryForm")

  With rstRecoveryTable

  If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:

  .MoveLast
  txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
  .MoveFirst
  lngCount = 0

  Do While Not .EOF

      lngCount = lngCount + 1
      If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
          txtRecordNumber = lngCount
          Me.Repaint
      End If

      .Edit

      If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
          !PriceError = 0
          !TotalDue = 0
      End If

      If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
          !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
          !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
      End If

      If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then

          ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
          rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate
_
              & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"

          If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
              !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
              !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) *
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
          End If

      End If

      .Update

      .MoveNext
  Loop

  End With
  '*************************************************************************

  Any hints?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  9 16:15:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:15:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
In-Reply-To: <00a801c38e86$5a189c30$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
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I never mentioned not being a pig...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


"before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig" JC

...you mean you're not? ...I always pictured you with a curly tail! :(((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> >...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
> door ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))
>
> And before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig...
>
> In the mid to late 90s my family and I lived in Puebla Mexico, about 60
> miles East South East of Mexico City for about 5 years.  I love Mexico and
> would be there today had I been able to find enough work over the internet
> to keep me employed.
>
> The "up in a plane ...out the door ...no parachute" actually came from the
> practices of a Chilean dictator who allegedly got rid of his opponents in
> that fashion.  Back when I lived in Mexico I used to facetiously suggest
> that treatment for users who gave list members grief, and thus it became
> known as "Colbyizing the user".
>
> I have since become far more tolerant...
>
> Yea, right!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> ...lol ...I got half way through posting a suggestion that he "Colbyize"
the
> user as his first step ...then it dawned on me that I'd probably have to
> explain that and that's just too damn much trouble these days :)))
>
> ...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
door
> ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> > >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> > process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
> setup.
> > Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly.
Any
> > ideas?
> >
> > Shoot the user.
> >
> > It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
> will
> > damned sure make the next user think twice before...
> >
> > Uhhh....
> >
> > Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct  9 16:38:40 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:38:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Help, date diff
In-Reply-To: <48692.12.3.132.98.1065708440.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <3F85674B.21616.D97306@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F866200.11305.120058@localhost>

Could be because of the table name. Date is a reserved word, that may 
be screwing up the interpretation of the SQL string.  Avoid using 
reserved words for objects - it creates all sorts of problems.


On 9 Oct 2003 at 10:07, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Thanks Stuart,
> this works goo, exsept I am still not able to update the table...
> With this line commented, it works
> DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
> 
> Also, I'd like it to be performed on opening of the database. Is that
> possible ?
> 
> 
> Private Sub Command1_Click()
> 
> last_time = DLookup("ldate", "Date")
> nnow = Now()
> 
> andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
> 
> If andy > 14 Then
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>   ' DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
>     msgbox ("ok")
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
> Else
>     msgbox ("The function was already performed today")
> End If
> 
> End Sub
> 
> 
> 
> > On 8 Oct 2003 at 22:59, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Group
> >> I have to do procedure that checks if macro was already executed today
> >> (in the last 14 hrs) and if yes doesn't do it again. I am taking last
> >> time it was created from a table that contains only one record. Can
> >> someone please remind me on how do I put the new value back into the
> >> table ? Write now I get the error message that current database
> >> doesn't support update...
> >
> > It doesn't if you get if as you have done below.
> >
> >> Also, do  Ineed to use ADO, or can do without if the table with date
> >> value is in the same database ?
> >
> > If the tables are either in the same mdb or linked, you can do it
> > without  ADO like this (assuming that Table1 is a single record  "System
> > File":
> >
> > last_time = DLookup("gina","Table1")
> > nnow = Now()
> > andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
> >
> >  If andy > 14 Then
> >      DoCmd.Setwarnings False
> >      DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()"
> >      DoCmd.Setwarnings True
> >     Else
> >      MsgBox ("The function was already performed today")
> >  End If
> >
> > Alternatively, using ADO, you can:
> >
> > ss.Execute(""Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()")
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart McLachlan
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> >
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> 
> 
> 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  9 17:39:58 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:39:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
References: <20031009064701.31112.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F85E3BE.5010804@shaw.ca>

Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object Library was one of MS stillborn ideas. I thought it ended with Access97. Or maybe it migrated eventually into InfoPath.



Sad Der wrote:

>Hi group,
>I've got a question regarding the form
>frmMultiPickMSForms in Chapter 07 from the book
>ADHK2K.
>
>It uses listboxes and some controls to move items from
>left to right, up and down, etc. I need a lot of this
>functionality.
>
>It uses a reference called: Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object
>Library.
>
>In short: I do not understand HOW it works.
>First: when I open a new database I do NOT have this
>reference. Why is that?
>
>Second: How can these controls be 'controled'? It only
>uses the code below. In wich MultiPikMSForms is a
>class and RegisterControls and SetData are methods of
>that class. How is it possible that when I click a
>button action is taken? There are no events or
>something like it connected to the control?!?!?!
>
>Could somebody please explain? TIA!
>
>SD
>
>'------------------------------------
>Private mmp As MultiPikMSForms
>'------------------------------------
>Private Sub Form_Load()
>    ' Using MultiPikMSForms requires
>    ' three steps:
>    
>    ' 1. Instantiate the object
>    ' 2. Register the 8 controls with the object
>    ' 3. Tell it where your data comes from
>    
>    Set mmp = New MultiPikMSForms
>    
>    mmp.RegisterControls lstAvailable, lstSelected, _
>     cmdSelectOne, cmdSelectAll, cmdDeselectOne,
>cmdDeselectAll, _
>     cmdUp, cmdDown
>     
>    mmp.SetData "tblCustomer", "LastName"
>End Sub
> 
>'------------------------------------
>
>
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  9 17:53:26 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:53:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
In-Reply-To: <3F85E3BE.5010804@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3F85AEA6.9459.25490C5@localhost>

On 9 Oct 2003 at 15:39, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object Library was one of MS stillborn ideas. I
> thought it ended with Access97. Or maybe it migrated eventually into
> InfoPath.

Nope. It's still around in OXP.

It's the control library of UserForms in Word and Excel. Probably 
Powerpoint as well.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me 
at once.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  9 17:53:27 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:53:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227307@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3F85AEA7.28316.2549166@localhost>

On 9 Oct 2003 at 14:43, Drew Wutka wrote:

> PCMCIA actually means Personal Computer Memory Card Interactive
> Association.

I always though it was:

People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms

<BSEG>

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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Oct  9 08:52:41 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:52:41 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
	-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D4E@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

out of interest, what is a NIC?
 
alun
btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think of nothing :-(

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William Hindman
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow the be mdb ime.
 
William Hindman
< http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "MarkH" < lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
< accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  9 18:40:23 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:40:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
 -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo uandanother user are""
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD778D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3F85F1E7.5090506@shaw.ca>

There is a counter in the NIC Rom that can be interrogated for errors or 
incomplete packets, You can get at this counter to check for a high 
error rate via Network Admin Tools or WMI.
If you have network admin privileges run first routine if not run second 
and third sub on suspected machine as testallnics(".")
Look at counts for TcpMaxConnectRetransmissions:  and 
TcpMaxDataRetransmissions:
 They may give you some indication of errors.
Sub testsystem()
'add reference to WMI extension
Dim locator As Object
Dim service As Object
Dim system As Object
Dim SystemSet As Object
Dim SystemSetAll As Object
Dim VarInstance As Object
'You must be member of administrator group
Set locator = CreateObject("WbemScripting.SWbemLocator")
Set service = locator.connectserver
Set SystemSet = service.Get("Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration")
Set VarInstance = SystemSet.Instances_
For Each system In VarInstance
    If system.Index = 0 Then
        Debug.Print (system.Description)
        Debug.Print (system.ServiceName)
        Debug.Print (system.IPAddress(0))
        Debug.Print (system.IPSubnet(0))
        Debug.Print (system.MACAddress)
Else
        Debug.Print (system.Description)
        Debug.Print (system.ServiceName)
        Debug.Print (system.IPAddress(0))
        Debug.Print (system.IPSubnet(0))
        Debug.Print (system.MACAddress)
End If
Next
Set SystemSetAll = 
GetObject("winmgmts:").InstancesOf("Win32_ComputerSystem")
For Each system In SystemSetAll
      Debug.Print "Computername " & system.Name
      testallnics (system.Name)
 Next

End Sub

Sub testallnics(strComputer As String)
'Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colitems As Object
Dim objitem As Object
On Error Resume Next
'strComputer = "." 'initial test
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
Win32_NetworkAdapter", , 48)
For Each objitem In colitems
    Debug.Print "AdapterType: " & objitem.AdapterType
    Debug.Print "AutoSense: " & objitem.AutoSense
    Debug.Print "Availability: " & objitem.Availability
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objitem.Caption
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerErrorCode: " & objitem.ConfigManagerErrorCode
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerUserConfig: " & 
objitem.ConfigManagerUserConfig
    Debug.Print "CreationClassName: " & objitem.CreationClassName
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objitem.Description
    Debug.Print "DeviceID: " & objitem.DeviceID
    Debug.Print "ErrorCleared: " & objitem.ErrorCleared
    Debug.Print "ErrorDescription: " & objitem.ErrorDescription
    Debug.Print "Index: " & objitem.Index
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objitem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "Installed: " & objitem.Installed
    Debug.Print "LastErrorCode: " & objitem.LastErrorCode
    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
    Debug.Print "Manufacturer: " & objitem.Manufacturer
    Debug.Print "MaxNumberControlled: " & objitem.MaxNumberControlled
    Debug.Print "MaxSpeed: " & objitem.MaxSpeed
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objitem.Name
    Debug.Print "NetworkAddresses: " & objitem.NetworkAddresses
    Debug.Print "PermanentAddress: " & objitem.PermanentAddress
    Debug.Print "PNPDeviceID: " & objitem.PNPDeviceID
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementCapabilities: " & 
objitem.PowerManagementCapabilities
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementSupported: " & 
objitem.PowerManagementSupported
    Debug.Print "ProductName: " & objitem.ProductName
    Debug.Print "ServiceName: " & objitem.ServiceName
    Debug.Print "Speed: " & objitem.Speed
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objitem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusInfo: " & objitem.StatusInfo
    Debug.Print "SystemCreationClassName: " & 
objitem.SystemCreationClassName
    Debug.Print "SystemName: " & objitem.SystemName
    Debug.Print "TimeOfLastReset: " & objitem.TimeOfLastReset
Next
End Sub

Sub testnicconfig()

'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents
'the attributes and behaviors of a network adapter.
'This class has been extended to include extra properties and methods
'that support the management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet 
Exchange (IPX)
'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter).
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colitems As Object
Dim objitem As Object
On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)
For Each objitem In colitems
    Debug.Print "ArpAlwaysSourceRoute: " & objitem.ArpAlwaysSourceRoute
    Debug.Print "ArpUseEtherSNAP: " & objitem.ArpUseEtherSNAP
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objitem.Caption
    Debug.Print "DatabasePath: " & objitem.DatabasePath
    Debug.Print "DeadGWDetectEnabled: " & objitem.DeadGWDetectEnabled
    Debug.Print "DefaultIPGateway: " & objitem.DefaultIPGateway
    Debug.Print "DefaultTOS: " & objitem.DefaultTOS
    Debug.Print "DefaultTTL: " & objitem.DefaultTTL
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objitem.Description
    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained
    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain
    Debug.Print "DNSDomainSuffixSearchOrder: " & 
objitem.DNSDomainSuffixSearchOrder
    Debug.Print "DNSEnabledForWINSResolution: " & 
objitem.DNSEnabledForWINSResolution
    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName
    Debug.Print "DNSServerSearchOrder: " & objitem.DNSServerSearchOrder
    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " & 
objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled
    Debug.Print "ForwardBufferMemory: " & objitem.ForwardBufferMemory
    Debug.Print "FullDNSRegistrationEnabled: " & 
objitem.FullDNSRegistrationEnabled
    Debug.Print "GatewayCostMetric: " & objitem.GatewayCostMetric
    Debug.Print "IGMPLevel: " & objitem.IGMPLevel
    Debug.Print "Index: " & objitem.Index
    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress
    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
    Debug.Print "IPFilterSecurityEnabled: " & 
objitem.IPFilterSecurityEnabled
    Debug.Print "IPPortSecurityEnabled: " & objitem.IPPortSecurityEnabled
    Debug.Print "IPSecPermitIPProtocols: " & objitem.IPSecPermitIPProtocols
    Debug.Print "IPSecPermitTCPPorts: " & objitem.IPSecPermitTCPPorts
    Debug.Print "IPSecPermitUDPPorts: " & objitem.IPSecPermitUDPPorts
    Debug.Print "IPSubnet: " & objitem.IPSubnet
    Debug.Print "IPUseZeroBroadcast: " & objitem.IPUseZeroBroadcast
    Debug.Print "IPXAddress: " & objitem.IPXAddress
    Debug.Print "IPXEnabled: " & objitem.IPXEnabled
    Debug.Print "IPXFrameType: " & objitem.IPXFrameType
    Debug.Print "IPXMediaType: " & objitem.IPXMediaType
    Debug.Print "IPXNetworkNumber: " & objitem.IPXNetworkNumber
    Debug.Print "IPXVirtualNetNumber: " & objitem.IPXVirtualNetNumber
    Debug.Print "KeepAliveInterval: " & objitem.KeepAliveInterval
    Debug.Print "KeepAliveTime: " & objitem.KeepAliveTime
    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU
    Debug.Print "NumForwardPackets: " & objitem.NumForwardPackets
    Debug.Print "PMTUBHDetectEnabled: " & objitem.PMTUBHDetectEnabled
    Debug.Print "PMTUDiscoveryEnabled: " & objitem.PMTUDiscoveryEnabled
    Debug.Print "ServiceName: " & objitem.ServiceName
    Debug.Print "SettingID: " & objitem.SettingID
    Debug.Print "TcpipNetbiosOptions: " & objitem.TcpipNetbiosOptions
    Debug.Print "TcpMaxConnectRetransmissions: " & 
objitem.TcpMaxConnectRetransmissions
    Debug.Print "TcpMaxDataRetransmissions: " & 
objitem.TcpMaxDataRetransmissions
    Debug.Print "TcpNumConnections: " & objitem.TcpNumConnections
    Debug.Print "TcpUseRFC1122UrgentPointer: " & 
objitem.TcpUseRFC1122UrgentPointer
    Debug.Print "TcpWindowSize: " & objitem.TcpWindowSize
    Debug.Print "WINSEnableLMHostsLookup: " & 
objitem.WINSEnableLMHostsLookup
    Debug.Print "WINSHostLookupFile: " & objitem.WINSHostLookupFile
    Debug.Print "WINSPrimaryServer: " & objitem.WINSPrimaryServer
    Debug.Print "WINSScopeID: " & objitem.WINSScopeID
    Debug.Print "WINSSecondaryServer: " & objitem.WINSSecondaryServer
Next
End Sub
Heenan, Lambert wrote:

>NIC: Network Interface Card
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	Garraway, Alun [SMTP:Alun.Garraway at otto.de]
>>Sent:	Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
>>To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject:	AW: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
>>-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>>
>>out of interest, what is a NIC?
>> 
>>alun
>>btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
>>of nothing :-(
>>
>>	-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>	Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William
>>Hindman
>>	Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
>>	An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>	Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
>>-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>>	
>>	
>>	...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me
>>...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look
>>for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails,
>>it tends to blow the be mdb ime.
>>	 
>>	William Hindman
>>	< <http://www.freestateproject.org>> - Do you want liberty in your
>>lifetime?
>>	 
>>	 
>>
>>		----- Original Message ----- 
>>		From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com> 
>>		To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>><mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
>>		Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
>>		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
>>-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>
>>		Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever
>>since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what
>>makes you mention it?
>>		 
>>		Cheers
>>		 
>>		Mark
>>
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>			Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
>>			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
>>			 
>>			Drew
>>
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
>>			Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
>>			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no
>>indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so,
>>not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down
>>though, but that was more than an hour later. 
>>			 
>>			Mark
>>
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>>			Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
>>			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that
>>stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place?
>>Anything specific?
>>			Kath
>>
>>			----- Original Message ----- 
>>			From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com> 
>>			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving' <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
>>			Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>
>>			Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours
>>butchering code from
>>			several different projects and merging it into one
>>new one... I was
>>			hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it
>>this morning ... 
>>			
>>			Cheers
>>			
>>			Mark
>>			
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>>Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>>			Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
>>			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stopped the
>>			processbecause...Youand another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Mark,
>>			
>>			  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've
>>probably wasted 3 hours
>>			already trying to get the old file to work.
>>			
>>			Jim Dettman
>>			President,
>>			Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>>			(315) 699-3443
>>			jimdettman at earthlink.net
>><mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>>			
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
>>Behalf Of MarkH
>>			Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
>>			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stopped the
>>			processbecause...You and another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Thanks... But I can't even import one object.
>>Whatever I do I get the
>>			same error. I have a backup at work, but I don't
>>want to lose those
>>			particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same
>>thing twice :O(
>>			
>>			Cheers
>>			
>>			Mark
>>			
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>>Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>>			- Beach Access Software
>>			Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
>>			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stopped the process
>>			because...You and another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Mark:
>>			
>>			I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try
>>to find the one
>>			that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous
>>versions from which
>>			you could import the object that's corrupted in the
>>current version?
>>			
>>			Rocky
>>			
>>			----- Original Message -----
>>			From: "MarkH" < lists at theopg.com
>><mailto:lists at theopg.com>>
>>			To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'"
>>			< accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>
>>			Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
>>			Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
>>the process because...
>>			You and another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			> Hello...
>>			>
>>			> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB
>>in XP that wont open.
>>			>
>>			> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database
>>engine stopped the 
>>			> process because you and another user are
>>attempting to change the same
>>			
>>			> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any
>>further.
>>			>
>>			> I get the same error if I compact and repair or
>>try and import the 
>>			> objects... :O(
>>			>
>>			> Any ideas much appreciated
>>			>
>>			> mark
>>
>>    
>>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  9 18:44:41 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:44:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] chk File
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD7D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3F85F2E9.3050901@shaw.ca>

.chk files are lost clusters that the OS has recovered with no index 
back to the FAT. They generally only contain parts of a file.

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Just a major HD glitch and I'm busy trying to recover my files.  I've got .chk file that simply contains the following:
>
>Sub Main() 
>DBEngine.SystemDB = "c:\windows\system\YourWorkgroupFile.mdw" 
>DBEngine.DefaultUser = "brad" 
>DBEngine.DefaultPassword = "orange" 
>End Sub 
>
>Does anyone have any idea if this is an actual complete file or just a lost piece of a file?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 18:45:45 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:45:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKAEDMHJAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <027101c38ebf$75b01e80$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Well.  Simple solutions for simple people, I always say.  That seems to have done it.  That "Select *... syntax is just a habit with me.  Thank you.

The other solution that Robert Steward sent me also works although I'm not sure why.  But it slows down the processing considerably - like a factor of five.  I need to figure out what he did because it looks like a good technique when needed.

Is there ever a reason to "Select * FROM tblXYZ"?

Tanks again and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Dettman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


  Rocky,

  <<Any hints?>>

   The database(s) are all on a station or split between a client and server?

   Besides that, don't use SQL statements when opening the tables, just open them directly.

  Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("tblTaxRates")
  Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("tblPrintRecoveryForm")

    JET's trying to use an implicit transaction to handle the update because of that.

  Jim Dettman
  President,
  Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
  (315) 699-3443
  jimdettman at earthlink.net 
    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
    Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:45 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded 


    Dear List:

    I am getting an error in a loop which says:

    File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.

    I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.

    Here's the code:

    '********************************************************************************
    Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
    Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")

    With rstRecoveryTable

    If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:

    .MoveLast
    txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
    .MoveFirst
    lngCount = 0

    Do While Not .EOF

        lngCount = lngCount + 1
        If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
            txtRecordNumber = lngCount
            Me.Repaint
        End If
        
        .Edit

        If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
            !PriceError = 0
            !TotalDue = 0
        End If
        
        If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
            !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
            !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
        End If
        
        If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
            
            ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
            rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
                & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
            
            If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
                !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
                !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
            End If
            
        End If
        
        .Update
        
        .MoveNext
    Loop

    End With
    '*************************************************************************

    Any hints?

    MTIA,

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  9 19:18:04 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:18:04 -0700
Subject:  =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BAccessD=5D__InterSystems_Cach=E9_database_engine?=
In-Reply-To: <17330923014.20031009175809@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFECOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Gustav:

Your comments are so timely. Today I went to lunch with a Database
programming acquaintance and he was raving about this new database, Cach?.
He has worked extensively with Sybase right through to SQL2000 and Oracle
from 5.1 to 9i and he is now working with this DB. He is totally impressed.
He says that it runs about 50% faster for simple queries but when working
with large Cubes experiences a steady 600 plus percent performance gain.

He strongly recommended that I download the free evaluation copy, work my
way through the tutorials and says they have been supplying excellent email
support (free) when he has been running into problems.

It was a very interesting lunch that extended almost a couple of hours.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


Hi group

Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
engine next to the speed of the engine itself.

Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
application-like running in a browser.

The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
remember.

The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
next release - requiring modest hardware only.

/gustav


>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
>> otherwise?

>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>> not time limited.

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Oct  9 19:37:02 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:37:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030924102510.00b1b148@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010132741.020f9dd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
>Group,
>
>Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that 
>basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 
>reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 
>independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in two 
>years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread 
>throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 
>their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records in 
>total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
>
>My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done 
>easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 
>time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their 
>client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so 
>budget is an issue.
>
>The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any 
>web server would be outsourced.
>
>I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done 
>anything with web based databases.

My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions, and 
the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 
server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept in 
the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).

If anyone is interested please email me.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  9 19:50:07 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:50:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010132741.020f9dd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001101c38ec8$75d17310$6501a8c0@user>

David - why not try to find someone locally who can help you with the web side / asp etc. and keep the management of the project yourself. You keep control - cost in some learning time for yourself but find someone who you are subcontracting the web stuff to. You obviously know their business and their database and that knowledge is very valuable. 

I know someone here in Melbourne who can help you but I think you would be better off with someone local?
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Emerson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)


  At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
  >Group,
  >
  >Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that 
  >basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 
  >reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 
  >independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in two 
  >years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread 
  >throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 
  >their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records in 
  >total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
  >
  >My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done 
  >easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 
  >time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their 
  >client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so 
  >budget is an issue.
  >
  >The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any 
  >web server would be outsourced.
  >
  >I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done 
  >anything with web based databases.

  My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions, and 
  the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 
  server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept in 
  the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).

  If anyone is interested please email me.

  Regards

  David Emerson
  DALYN Software Ltd
  25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
  Wellington, New Zealand
  Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Oct  9 20:08:47 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:08:47 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <001101c38ec8$75d17310$6501a8c0@user>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010132741.020f9dd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010140420.00b77310@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Kath - That is what I would like to do.  Distance isn't a problem (My 
clients are in the States and I am in NZ - it has worked for the last 5 
years).  Since I don't know of anyone specifically who could do the job 
locally I figured that I might as well use someone from the list (keep it 
in the family).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>David - why not try to find someone locally who can help you with the web 
>side / asp etc. and keep the management of the project yourself. You keep 
>control - cost in some learning time for yourself but find someone who you 
>are subcontracting the web stuff to. You obviously know their business and 
>their database and that knowledge is very valuable.
>
>I know someone here in Melbourne who can help you but I think you would be 
>better off with someone local?
>Kath
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz>David Emerson
>To: <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>Access Developers discussion and 
>problem solving
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
> >Group,
> >
> >Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that
> >basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints
> >reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are
> >independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in two
> >years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread
> >throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access
> >their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records in
> >total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
> >
> >My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done
> >easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each
> >time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their
> >client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so
> >budget is an issue.
> >
> >The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any
> >web server would be outsourced.
> >
> >I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done
> >anything with web based databases.
>
>My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions, and
>the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the
>server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept in
>the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).
>
>If anyone is interested please email me.
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  9 20:19:14 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:19:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010132741.020f9dd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031010140420.00b77310@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <003e01c38ecc$8541a410$6501a8c0@user>

David - in that case I have contacted someone on your behalf and if they are interested I will send you the contact details.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Emerson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)


  Kath - That is what I would like to do.  Distance isn't a problem (My clients are in the States and I am in NZ - it has worked for the last 5 years).  Since I don't know of anyone specifically who could do the job locally I figured that I might as well use someone from the list (keep it in the family).

  David

  At 10/10/2003, you wrote:

    David - why not try to find someone locally who can help you with the web side / asp etc. and keep the management of the project yourself. You keep control - cost in some learning time for yourself but find someone who you are subcontracting the web stuff to. You obviously know their business and their database and that knowledge is very valuable. 
     
    I know someone here in Melbourne who can help you but I think you would be better off with someone local?
    Kath

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: David Emerson 

      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 

      Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:37 AM

      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)


      At 23/09/2003, I wrote:

      >Group,

      >

      >Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that 

      >basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 

      >reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 

      >independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in two 

      >years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread 

      >throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 

      >their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records in 

      >total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.

      >

      >My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done 

      >easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 

      >time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their 

      >client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so 

      >budget is an issue.

      >

      >The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any 

      >web server would be outsourced.

      >

      >I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done 

      >anything with web based databases.


      My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions, and 

      the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 

      server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept in 

      the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).


      If anyone is interested please email me.


      Regards


      David Emerson

      DALYN Software Ltd

      25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville

      Wellington, New Zealand

      Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 21:35:59 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:35:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6DC@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sullivan [mailto:jonsulli at swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the 
references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Thu Oct  9 23:41:29 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:41:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Serene Japanese Computer Error Messages
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509261@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

I thought you might enjoy this:

------------------------ 
Here are 16 actual error messages seen on the computer 
screens in Japan, where some are written in Haiku. Aren't 
these better than "your computer has performed an illegal 
operation"? 

-------------------------------------------- 

The Web site you seek cannot be located, 
but countless more exist. 

-------------------------------------------- 

Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. 
Order shall return. 

----------------------------------------------- 

Program aborting: Close all that you have worked on. 
You ask far too much. 

------------------------------------------------ 

Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. 
No one hears your screams. 

------------------------------------------------ 

Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. 
Windows is like that. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Your file was so big. It might be very useful. 
But now it is gone. 

------------------------------------------- 

Stay the patient course. Of little worth is your ire. 
The network is down. 

------------------------------------------------- 

A crash reduces your expensive computer to a simple stone. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Three things are certain: Death, taxes and lost data. 
Guess which has occurred? 

------------------------------------------------- 

You step in the stream, but the water has moved on. 
This page is not here. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Out of memory. We wish to hold the whole sky, 
But we never will. 

------------------------------------------------ 

Having been erased, 
The document you're seeking must now be retyped. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Serious error. All shortcuts have disappeared. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Screen. 

Mind. 

Both are blank. 

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
I have no idea of their authenticity or original source, but I also
found them posted on the Web on several sites including: 

http://www.tashitagg.co.za/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=3183&posts=1

 

 

Jeff Barrows

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 10 00:55:54 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:55:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms <SOLVED> 
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEEBFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031010055554.4616.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>

....and then there was silence!
John, thanx for this incredible explenation. Can I ask
you something? Do you walk around in a magical cloak?
:-) 

Once again thanx for you're detailed answer. I've got
some new stuff to try. This is why I love this list!

Regards,

Sander

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> SD,
> 
> I have just finished taking this stuff (from adh 97
> apparently) and turning
> it into a class.  In my case I use Withevents which
> means that the events
> for the controls are handled right inside of the
> class.  It appears that
> this is probably how this (your) version works as
> well.
> 
> Withevents is a keyword used with a dim statement
> for controls.  The syntax
> looks like:
> 
> Private WithEvents mcmdAddOne As CommandButton
> 
> The Withevent keywords can only be used in a class,
> which the form module is
> by the way.  Withevents says essentially, "this
> control is dimensioned 'with
> its events' being handled in this class".
> 
> Once you dimension a control in this manner, then
> when an event for that
> control fires, control CAN be passed to code in your
> class.  I stress the
> word CAN because it won't necessarily be done.  In
> order for control for a
> given event to be passed to your class, the event
> stub has to be present in
> the class AND the exact text "[Event Procedure]" has
> to be present in the
> corresponding control event property.
> 
> Any Access developer who programs the events for
> forms or controls is
> already familiar with these restraints, although you
> may not have ever
> thought about them.  When you want to use some
> event, you usually dbl-click
> in the form or control's property.  Let's take a
> command button as an
> example.
> 
> You dbl-click in the "On Click" property of the
> control.
> The words "[Event Procedure]" magically appear in
> the property.  Nothing
> else has happened so far.
> You click on the ellipsis off to the right of the
> event.
> You are magically transported to the code editor and
> the following text is
> magically inserted into the form's module (which
> remember is a class).
> 
> Private Sub cmdOK_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift
> As Integer, X As
> Single, Y As Single)
> End Sub
> 
> Remember I said that in order for control to be
> passed to a class you had to
> have three things.
> 
> 1) The control dimensioned "Withevents".
> 2) The exact text "[Event Procedure]" inserted in
> the event property of
> interest in the control.
> 3) An event stub inserted in your class to gain
> control of (sink) the event
> when it fires.
> 
> In essence the wizard behind the property box takes
> care of doing these
> three things for you.
> 
> One thing to note here is that ALL controls (and the
> form itself) are
> automatically "dimmed withevents" in a form's class
> module, i.e. it doesn't
> have to be explicitly done.  In YOUR classes it will
> have to be done!
> 
> Once these three things are done, then when THAT
> event fires, control will
> eventually be passed to your class and you can do
> whatever you want inside
> that event stub.
> 
> So that my friend is Withevents, and that is
> probably why you don't see any
> event handlers as you are accustomed to seeing in
> the form's class.  If you
> don't understand this stuff, LEARN IT.  It will take
> your Access abilities
> to a whole new level.  It's very easy to use and
> opens up a whole new world
> of possibilities in your applications.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Sad Der
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:47 AM
> To: Acces User Group
> Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
> 
> 
> Hi group,
> I've got a question regarding the form
> frmMultiPickMSForms in Chapter 07 from the book
> ADHK2K.
> 
> It uses listboxes and some controls to move items
> from
> left to right, up and down, etc. I need a lot of
> this
> functionality.
> 
> It uses a reference called: Microsoft Forms 2.0
> Object
> Library.
> 
> In short: I do not understand HOW it works.
> First: when I open a new database I do NOT have this
> reference. Why is that?
> 
> Second: How can these controls be 'controled'? It
> only
> uses the code below. In wich MultiPikMSForms is a
> class and RegisterControls and SetData are methods
> of
> that class. How is it possible that when I click a
> button action is taken? There are no events or
> something like it connected to the control?!?!?!
> 
> Could somebody please explain? TIA!
> 
> SD
> 
> '------------------------------------
> Private mmp As MultiPikMSForms
> '------------------------------------
> Private Sub Form_Load()
>     ' Using MultiPikMSForms requires
>     ' three steps:
> 
>     ' 1. Instantiate the object
>     ' 2. Register the 8 controls with the object
>     ' 3. Tell it where your data comes from
> 
>     Set mmp = New MultiPikMSForms
> 
>     mmp.RegisterControls lstAvailable, lstSelected,
> _
>      cmdSelectOne, cmdSelectAll, cmdDeselectOne,
> cmdDeselectAll, _
>      cmdUp, cmdDown
> 
>     mmp.SetData "tblCustomer", "LastName"
> End Sub
> 
> '------------------------------------
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 01:09:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:09:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222730B@main2.marlow.com>

Kind of funny on that.  My Dad used to be really involved with PCMCIA.  He
was the technical chairman for a while, and one year I believe he was the
board chairman.  He actually made up the 'People Can't Memorize Computer
Industry Acronyms' at a meeting one time, and it sorta caught on....

Honest.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/9/03 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
uandanother user are""

On 9 Oct 2003 at 14:43, Drew Wutka wrote:

> PCMCIA actually means Personal Computer Memory Card Interactive
> Association.

I always though it was:

People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms

<BSEG>

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 01:12:34 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:12:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222730C@main2.marlow.com>

Sounds up my alley.  I'll contact you offline.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: David Emerson
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/9/03 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)

At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
>Group,
>
>Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that 
>basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 
>reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 
>independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in
two 
>years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread 
>throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 
>their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records
in 
>total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
>
>My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done 
>easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 
>time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their

>client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so 
>budget is an issue.
>
>The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any

>web server would be outsourced.
>
>I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done 
>anything with web based databases.

My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions,
and 
the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 
server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept
in 
the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).

If anyone is interested please email me.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 01:39:09 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:39:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0CF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors.
When you close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

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Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sullivan [mailto:jonsulli at swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support 
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form 
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 01:44:16 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Just a little remark.

If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
access from local and internet network.

Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
complexity developing apps).


 

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Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)


Sounds up my alley.  I'll contact you offline.

Drew

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Sent: 10/9/03 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)

At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
>Group,
>
>Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that
>basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 
>reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 
>independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in
two 
>years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread
>throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 
>their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records
in 
>total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
>
>My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done
>easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 
>time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their

>client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so
>budget is an issue.
>
>The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any

>web server would be outsourced.
>
>I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done
>anything with web based databases.

My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions,
and 
the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 
server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept
in 
the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).

If anyone is interested please email me.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 10 03:31:52 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:31:52 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtBY2Nlc3NEXSAgSW50ZXJTeXN0ZW1zIENhY2jpIGRhdGFiYXNl?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?IGVuZ2luZQ==?=
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Hi Anonymous

Here a simple end user license fee is EUR 240.
However, they offer alternative pricing schemes, like

  Power Units (don't ask)
  Value based

These are intended for OEM and embedded use of the engine.
Further, due to the diverted use of the engine, pricing should be
negotiable. This you will, of course, have to discuss with your local
contact.

How or if this covers a developer license for commercial use, I don't
know yet.

/gustav


> Anyone know the pricing?  The site requires you to fill out a survey to
> get pricing ... If the price isn't on the site, for anything, it?s
> ususally way too expensive.


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> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


> Hi group

> Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

> The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
> easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like language
> - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are at once
> compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC, classes
> via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access the data
> simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly efficient
> they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the engine next to
> the speed of the engine itself.

> Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
> direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
> with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as they
> offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a hidden
> frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is avoided -
> this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious application-like
> running in a browser.

> The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
> the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
> moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
> interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
> remember.

> The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no more
> efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and really
> have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to anything
> including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS, Tru64,
> HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the next release
> - requiring modest hardware only.

> /gustav


>>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or 
>>> otherwise?

>>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>>> not time limited.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 10 04:04:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:04:59 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtBY2Nlc3NEXSAgSW50ZXJTeXN0ZW1zIENhY2jpIGRhdGFiYXNl?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?IGVuZ2luZQ==?=
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Hi Jim

Interesting observations because I haven't been able to get hand on
any benchmark results.

However, it is not new, it has been around for several years, since
1997 I believe. Before that the engine ancestors lived outside the pc
world under the name MOMS. Some of our fellow list members may be able
to elaborate on that - I've never heard of it.

/gustav


> Gustav:

> Your comments are so timely. Today I went to lunch with a Database
> programming acquaintance and he was raving about this new database, Cach?.
> He has worked extensively with Sybase right through to SQL2000 and Oracle
> from 5.1 to 9i and he is now working with this DB. He is totally impressed.
> He says that it runs about 50% faster for simple queries but when working
> with large Cubes experiences a steady 600 plus percent performance gain.

> He strongly recommended that I download the free evaluation copy, work my
> way through the tutorials and says they have been supplying excellent email
> support (free) when he has been running into problems.

> It was a very interesting lunch that extended almost a couple of hours.

> Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


> Hi group

> Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

> The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
> easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
> language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
> at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
> classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
> the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
> efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
> engine next to the speed of the engine itself.

> Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
> direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
> with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
> they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
> hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
> avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
> application-like running in a browser.

> The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
> the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
> moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
> interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
> remember.

> The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
> more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
> really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
> anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
> Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
> next release - requiring modest hardware only.

> /gustav


>>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
>>> otherwise?

>>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>>> not time limited.


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 04:26:53 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:26:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a form.
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F973B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

 
I tought it was posible to load an activex control in VBA so a form is
not needed.
I cant seem to find the right command for this.
Maybe I'm mistaking that this is only posible in VB.
 
 

 

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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Fri Oct 10 05:25:22 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:25:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting MDB app to MDB in web
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We are using an MDB on a web that we actualice with and FTP process from our
application. This run correctly but have some problem to synchronice when
more than 1 user is working. We pretend connect the user to the main
database on the web like a simple MDB on a network.

On ASP pages is too easy make this but, from an application in MDB or MDE??

Thanks

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 10 07:11:26 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:11:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a
    form.
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6DE@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Don't controls (ActiveX or otherwise) always need a host (form)?  How is it possible in VB?

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

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Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a form.



I tought it was posible to load an activex control in VBA so a form is not needed.
I cant seem to find the right command for this.
Maybe I'm mistaking that this is only posible in VB.



Erwin Craps
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From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:19:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] chk File
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That's what I thought.  I did manage to find a couple of complete files in the .chks but there are a bunch of binary clips that are probably useless.

Thanks,

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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] chk File


.chk files are lost clusters that the OS has recovered with no index 
back to the FAT. They generally only contain parts of a file.

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Just a major HD glitch and I'm busy trying to recover my files.  I've got .chk file that simply contains the following:
>
>Sub Main() 
>DBEngine.SystemDB = "c:\windows\system\YourWorkgroupFile.mdw" 
>DBEngine.DefaultUser = "brad" 
>DBEngine.DefaultPassword = "orange" 
>End Sub 
>
>Does anyone have any idea if this is an actual complete file or just a lost piece of a file?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim DeMarco
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Fri Oct 10 07:53:00 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:53:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
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Thanks a lot, I did that
>
> You can create a "Splash" screen and set the db properties to open the
> form when starting the db.  You can look in the "Samples.mdb" db for A97
> or maybe even the help in A2K and AXP
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct 10 07:56:16 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:56:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: File Sharing lock count exceeded
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010074404.0267cfb8@pop3.highstream.net>

Rocky,

I am sending this again with comments this time.
I think that will help you (and others) to see
what I did.

Break your process into steps.

The following should be close but I think the
term is air code.


' If you had a flag of some kind that showed
' that the process had already been run against
' the records, we could reduce the number of
' records and get some blazing speed out of it.

' The basic problem is that we are reprocessing
' records that have already been done before
' instead of just processing those that need it

' Once the flag is added and set, we would be
' processing a much smaller set of data.

dim db as database, rs as recordset, rsTax as recordset
dim strSQL as string
dim curSalesTax as currency
' set up the SQL string to use for opening
' the recordset
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE Nz(fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0;)
' Open the recordset
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
' check to see if there are records in it
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      ' close the recordset
      rs.close
      ' setup the SQL string to do the update
      strsql = "UPDATE tblPrintRecoveryForm SET PriceError = 0,"
      strsql = strsql & " TotalDue = 0"
      strsql = strsql & " WHERE Nz(fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0;)
      ' run the SQL directly to perform the update
      docmd.runsql strsql
end if
' set up the SQL string to use for opening
' the next recordset
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid < 0;)"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      rs.close
      ' setup the SQL string to do the update
      strsql = "UPDATE tblPrintRecoveryForm"
      strsql = strsql & " SET PriceError = fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid,"
      strsql = strsql & " TotalDue = PriceError * fldInvoiceDetailQuantity"
      strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid < 0;)"
      ' run the SQL directly to perform the update
      docmd.runsql strsql
end if
' set up the SQL string to use for opening
' the next recordset
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = 'Y';)"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
' since we are limiting the records here instead of
' checking the value as we move through the recordset
' we are actually process less records
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      ' here is where it will be slow
      ' we are having to move through all of the records
      ' and then check for the tax rate for each individual
      ' record
      with rs
           .movefirst
           do until .eof
                ' this SQL string should return a single record
                ' if there is a tax rate for the date range
                strsql = SELECT *"
                strsql = strsql & " FROM tblTaxRates
                strsql = strsql & " WEHRE fldTaxRateStartDate <= #"
                strsql = strsql &  !fldInvoiceDate & "# AND 
fldTaxRateEndDate >= #"
                strsql = strsql & !fldInvoiceDate & "#;"
                set rstax = db.openrecordset(strsql, dbopensnapshot)
                if not(rstax.eof and rstax.bof) then  ' a tax rate was found
                     .edit
                     ' now we can edit and update the record
                     ' with the tax info
                          curSalesTax = !PriceError * rsTax!fldTaxRate
                          !SalesTax = curSalesTax
                          !TotalDue = (!PriceError + curSalesTax) * 
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
                     .update
                end if
                ' now we can go to the next record and
                ' check it
                .movenext
           loop
      end with
end if
rs.close
rstax.close
set db=nothing


Watch for line wraps
HTH

Robert

At 11:45 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:44:40 -0700
>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0 at HAL9002>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Dear List:
>
>I am getting an error in a loop which says:
>
>File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.
>
>I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be 
>exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being 
>created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, 
>too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.
>
>Here's the code:
>
>'********************************************************************************
>Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
>Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")
>
>With rstRecoveryTable
>
>If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
>
>.MoveLast
>txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
>.MoveFirst
>lngCount = 0
>
>Do While Not .EOF
>
>     lngCount = lngCount + 1
>     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
>         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
>         Me.Repaint
>     End If
>
>     .Edit
>
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
>         !PriceError = 0
>         !TotalDue = 0
>     End If
>
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
>         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
>         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>     End If
>
>     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
>
>         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
>         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
>             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
>
>         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
>             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
>             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>         End If
>
>     End If
>
>     .Update
>
>     .MoveNext
>Loop
>
>End With
>'*************************************************************************
>
>Any hints?
>
>MTIA,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 08:03:12 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:03:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
Message-ID: <20031010130308.8865324DBDB@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 10 08:21:10 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:21:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
Message-ID: <3F867A06.2367.94B617@localhost>

A quick question about classes and events

If I create a class that has a loop in one of the methods and raise 
an event in that loop. 

If I have used WithEvents to dim the class and created an event 
handler to deal with this event, does the loop code in the class 
"pause" while the event handler handles the raised event?

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a 
mistake when you make it again.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 10 08:23:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:23:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms <SOLVED> 
In-Reply-To: <20031010055554.4616.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEHDFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>John, thanx for this incredible explanation. Can I ask you something? Do
you walk around in a magical cloak?

LOL.  As the saying goes, we all stand on the shoulders of giants.

The shoulders I stand on are my Russian friend Shamil's.  I knew nothing of
Withevents until I started listening to little hints that Shamil would drop
in the list several years ago.  Shamil was truly one of the pioneers in
using Withevents, before him there was damned little published on the
subject.

I went to his web site and studied his code examples, and eventually, after
about the third attempt at understanding it, it all just clicked.  In my
case I never used classes (with Access) and you can't use WithEvents without
using Classes so I had to figure out the "why would you use classes" as well
as the "How do you use Withevents".

BTW, there are Withevent demos on the www.DatabaseAdvisors.com web site.  Go
to the newsletters page, then look in:

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newletters/newsletter092001.htm
The newsletter "Adding a treeview control" for the article "TextBox Class"

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newletters/newsletter112001.htm
The newsletter "Color matching in forms" for the article "Form class demo"

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newletters/newsletter022002.htm
The newsletter "Binary bits and bytes" for the article "Creating a record
selector class"

and finally

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newletters/newsletter052002.htm
The newsletter "What's That Form" for an article I wrote on "combining
Withevents and Raiseevents".

That should give you a little info to get you started using Withevents (and
RaiseEvents).

Good luck and enjoy.  Withevents are really cool stuff that let you do
things that could be difficult to do otherwise.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms <SOLVED>


....and then there was silence!
John, thanx for this incredible explenation. Can I ask
you something? Do you walk around in a magical cloak?
:-)

Once again thanx for you're detailed answer. I've got
some new stuff to try. This is why I love this list!

Regards,

Sander

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> SD,
>
> I have just finished taking this stuff (from adh 97
> apparently) and turning
> it into a class.  In my case I use Withevents which
> means that the events
> for the controls are handled right inside of the
> class.  It appears that
> this is probably how this (your) version works as
> well.
>
> Withevents is a keyword used with a dim statement
> for controls.  The syntax
> looks like:
>
> Private WithEvents mcmdAddOne As CommandButton
>
> The Withevent keywords can only be used in a class,
> which the form module is
> by the way.  Withevents says essentially, "this
> control is dimensioned 'with
> its events' being handled in this class".
>
> Once you dimension a control in this manner, then
> when an event for that
> control fires, control CAN be passed to code in your
> class.  I stress the
> word CAN because it won't necessarily be done.  In
> order for control for a
> given event to be passed to your class, the event
> stub has to be present in
> the class AND the exact text "[Event Procedure]" has
> to be present in the
> corresponding control event property.
>
> Any Access developer who programs the events for
> forms or controls is
> already familiar with these restraints, although you
> may not have ever
> thought about them.  When you want to use some
> event, you usually dbl-click
> in the form or control's property.  Let's take a
> command button as an
> example.
>
> You dbl-click in the "On Click" property of the
> control.
> The words "[Event Procedure]" magically appear in
> the property.  Nothing
> else has happened so far.
> You click on the ellipsis off to the right of the
> event.
> You are magically transported to the code editor and
> the following text is
> magically inserted into the form's module (which
> remember is a class).
>
> Private Sub cmdOK_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift
> As Integer, X As
> Single, Y As Single)
> End Sub
>
> Remember I said that in order for control to be
> passed to a class you had to
> have three things.
>
> 1) The control dimensioned "Withevents".
> 2) The exact text "[Event Procedure]" inserted in
> the event property of
> interest in the control.
> 3) An event stub inserted in your class to gain
> control of (sink) the event
> when it fires.
>
> In essence the wizard behind the property box takes
> care of doing these
> three things for you.
>
> One thing to note here is that ALL controls (and the
> form itself) are
> automatically "dimmed withevents" in a form's class
> module, i.e. it doesn't
> have to be explicitly done.  In YOUR classes it will
> have to be done!
>
> Once these three things are done, then when THAT
> event fires, control will
> eventually be passed to your class and you can do
> whatever you want inside
> that event stub.
>
> So that my friend is Withevents, and that is
> probably why you don't see any
> event handlers as you are accustomed to seeing in
> the form's class.  If you
> don't understand this stuff, LEARN IT.  It will take
> your Access abilities
> to a whole new level.  It's very easy to use and
> opens up a whole new world
> of possibilities in your applications.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 10 08:24:31 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:24:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7798@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Probably so. But wouldn't it be simple enough just to try it out and see
what actually happens?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bryan Carbonnell [SMTP:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> Sent:	Friday, October 10, 2003 9:21 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
> 
> A quick question about classes and events
> 
> If I create a class that has a loop in one of the methods and raise 
> an event in that loop. 
> 
> If I have used WithEvents to dim the class and created an event 
> handler to deal with this event, does the loop code in the class 
> "pause" while the event handler handles the raised event?
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a 
> mistake when you make it again.
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 10 08:28:17 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:28:17 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A use for Switch()
Message-ID: <8722992691.20031010152817@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I've never found a use for Switch() but the other day a client asked
me to sort a small combobox in a weird way without adding a new column
with a sort index.

Here you can use Switch().
An example is how to sort colours by description:

<SQL>

  SELECT
    ID,
    Description
  FROM
    tblColours
  ORDER BY
    Switch(
      [Description]="Red",1,
      [Description]="Yellow",2,
      [Description]="Green",3,
      [Description]="Cyan",4,
      [Description]="Blue",5,
      [Description]="Magenta",6,
      True,9);

</SQL>

Note the last item for "catch any not listed".

/gustav


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 10 08:49:14 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:49:14 -0500
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BAccessD=5D__InterSystems_Cach=E9_database_engine?=
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFECOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEMNELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Jim,
Cach? isn't really very new. I don't know when it first arrived on the scene
but I have been laughing at their adds for at least a couple of years now.
(Dr. Dobbs Journal)

They have adds where a picture shows the front of a Cheetah with a Cow's
back end and legs (morphed together) and a slogan of something like - Is
your database holding your application back from its true potential?

The latest one is the front of a Grand Prix car morphed into the back end of
a farm tractor. Good stuff.

I've read some good reviews about it too.

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine
>
>
> Gustav:
>
> Your comments are so timely. Today I went to lunch with a Database
> programming acquaintance and he was raving about this new database, Cach?.
> He has worked extensively with Sybase right through to SQL2000 and Oracle
> from 5.1 to 9i and he is now working with this DB. He is totally
> impressed.
> He says that it runs about 50% faster for simple queries but when working
> with large Cubes experiences a steady 600 plus percent performance gain.
>
> He strongly recommended that I download the free evaluation copy, work my
> way through the tutorials and says they have been supplying
> excellent email
> support (free) when he has been running into problems.
>
> It was a very interesting lunch that extended almost a couple of hours.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine
>
>
> Hi group
>
> Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.
>
> The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
> easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
> language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
> at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
> classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
> the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
> efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
> engine next to the speed of the engine itself.
>
> Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
> direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
> with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
> they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
> hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
> avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
> application-like running in a browser.
>
> The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
> the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
> moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
> interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
> remember.
>
> The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
> more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
> really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
> anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
> Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
> next release - requiring modest hardware only.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:
>
> >>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html
>
> >> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
> >> otherwise?
>
> >> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
> >> not time limited.
>
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>



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct 10 09:10:36 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:10:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <200310101349.h9ADnpe30579@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010090814.026b5028@pop3.highstream.net>

Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
It will connect to any SQL Server.

Robert

P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
ADP, let me know if you need any help with
it.  I am in the final stages of converting
a large application into it and can fill you
in on some of the things to look for.

At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Just a little remark.
>
>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
>access from local and internet network.
>
>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
>complexity developing apps).
>
>
>
>
>Erwin Craps



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 09:12:08 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:12:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A use for Switch()
Message-ID: <20031010141204.9A28424FDAC@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 10 09:35:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:35:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
In-Reply-To: <3F867A06.2367.94B617@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHIFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Bryan,

Yes, it will.  VBA is single threaded, meaning that only a single thread of
code is executing at any given time.  It isn't just your raising events
however, if you were to place a message box asking a user a question in any
event of any form or control, ALL processing stops until the user answers
the question.  If you fire a query in an event that updates a million
records, and that query takes 2 minutes, ALL code stops executing until that
query finishes processing.  Etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:21 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes


A quick question about classes and events

If I create a class that has a loop in one of the methods and raise
an event in that loop.

If I have used WithEvents to dim the class and created an event
handler to deal with this event, does the loop code in the class
"pause" while the event handler handles the raised event?

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a
mistake when you make it again.


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 10 09:42:03 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:42:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7798@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3F868CFB.17425.DEC404@localhost>

On 10 Oct 2003 at 9:24, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

> Probably so. But wouldn't it be simple enough just to try it out and
> see what actually happens?

It probably would, but I'm in the conceptual design stage of the code 
at the moment, and if it doesn't it would be much easier to rethink 
the whole implementation now rather than later.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 10 09:42:03 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:42:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHIFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3F867A06.2367.94B617@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F868CFB.28689.DEC36E@localhost>

On 10 Oct 2003 at 10:35, John Colby wrote:

> Yes, it will.  VBA is single threaded, meaning that only a single
> thread of code is executing at any given time.  It isn't just your
> raising events however, if you were to place a message box asking a
> user a question in any event of any form or control, ALL processing
> stops until the user answers the question.  If you fire a query in an
> event that updates a million records, and that query takes 2 minutes,
> ALL code stops executing until that query finishes processing.  Etc.

Thanks John. This was the answer I was hoping for :-))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what the 
hell happened. - Cora Harvey Armstrong



From greggs at msn.com  Fri Oct 10 10:03:33 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:03:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open one database from another in A97
In-Reply-To: <014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIAEKCDAAA.greggs@msn.com>

I have a database that opens a second database using sendkeys (ugly huh?).
I need to switch to DAO so I can open a password protected database.  I have
used the code from the knowledge base
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;161016&Product=acc97
but I can't get it to close the first database and open a form in the
second.

here's the code from the Knowledge base...

Sub OpenDB()
       Dim db As Database
       Dim ws As WorkSpace
       Dim rst As Recordset
       Set ws = DBEngine.WorkSpaces(0)
       Set db = ws.OpenDatabase _
       ("C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb", _
       False, False, "MS Access;PWD=northwind")
       Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("Customers", dbOpenDynaset)
       If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
         rst.MoveLast
         MsgBox rst!CustomerID
       End If
       rst.Close
       db.Close
      End Sub

Do I have to open an application first?



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct 10 10:27:28 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:27:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Capture Milliseconds
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010102416.0277c238@pop3.highstream.net>

List,

Does anyone out there have a function
that will give you the milliseconds?
Specifically, what I am looking for
is a function that could calculate
the number of milliseconds from a
specific date and time to a specific
date and time where the time portion
is in milliseconds and not just seconds.

Thanks,

Robert



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 10 10:37:39 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:37:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6EB@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors.
When you close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support 
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form 
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
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>TIA,
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 10 10:57:06 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:57:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Capture Milliseconds
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Message-ID: <002b01c38f47$27ad3aa0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...look at KB 172338 ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Capture Milliseconds


> List,
> 
> Does anyone out there have a function
> that will give you the milliseconds?
> Specifically, what I am looking for
> is a function that could calculate
> the number of milliseconds from a
> specific date and time to a specific
> date and time where the time portion
> is in milliseconds and not just seconds.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert
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From lists at theopg.com  Fri Oct 10 11:52:52 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:52:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -
	..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand	another user are""
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Message-ID: <007201c38f4e$f66178f0$5d0d6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks for that... I will check it out 
 
mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 09 October 2003 20:37
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Because we had a faulty NIC, on a laptop docking station, that was
corrupting one of my databases every week.  (It read it fine, but
everyone's machine has a VB .exe that dumps the current info about that
machine (memory, disk space, etc.) into the database every 7 days.).  So
when you mentioned your laptop, it just brought that too mind.  We put a
PCMCIA NIC into the laptop, and didn't have anymore problems.
 
Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not
just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you
mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg
in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that
was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work
out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 10 12:31:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:31:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A use for Switch()
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Hi Andy

I don't think you'll be able to notice any difference.

But an IIf construction handling more than a couple of items is
horrible.

> That's neat Gustav. I'd have used IIF but I know that that's hard on
> resources. Is SWITCH any better?

/gustav


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Oct 10 13:49:09 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:49:09 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program 
wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the 
situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but 
access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for 
them).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
>It will connect to any SQL Server.
>
>Robert
>
>P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
>ADP, let me know if you need any help with
>it.  I am in the final stages of converting
>a large application into it and can fill you
>in on some of the things to look for.
>
>At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
>>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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>>Just a little remark.
>>
>>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
>>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
>>access from local and internet network.
>>
>>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
>>complexity developing apps).
>>
>>
>>
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Fri Oct 10 14:02:27 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:02:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Some optical illusions to blow your mind
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http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/index-e.html

Mark Whittinghill
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 14:01:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:01:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9749@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


You can use object type to. 
This will result in not having the autosuggest while developing.
I noticed that this solved some issues to. Al hase to do with late/early
binding.


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Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 17:38
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning
up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a
Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to
Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors. When you
close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

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John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Oct 10 14:07:48 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:07:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
References: <200310101349.h9ADnpe30579@databaseadvisors.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <002401c38f61$cc6a3ce0$5b0b6351@martin1>

Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
Access reports almost as is via the web.

If you need anymore information email me.

Martin


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> Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
> access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for
> them).
>
> David
>
> At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> >a large application into it and can fill you
> >in on some of the things to look for.
> >
> >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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> >>
> >>Just a little remark.
> >>
> >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> >>access from local and internet network.
> >>
> >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> >>complexity developing apps).
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> >>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 10 14:09:19 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:09:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6FA@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

>>You can use object type to<< 
Sorry don't understand what you mean.

BTW - it works on her machine now if she uses a Variant for the VBIDE objects.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:02 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails



You can use object type to. 
This will result in not having the autosuggest while developing.
I noticed that this solved some issues to. Al hase to do with late/early
binding.


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Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning
up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a
Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to
Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors. When you
close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

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John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 10 14:23:00 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:23:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting MDB app to MDB in web
References: <000901c38f18$d020e670$0000fea9@servercafe>
Message-ID: <3F870714.7010708@shaw.ca>

how about uploading a recordset in Access via a Soap service ?

MastercafeCTV wrote:

>We are using an MDB on a web that we actualice with and FTP process from our
>application. This run correctly but have some problem to synchronice when
>more than 1 user is working. We pretend connect the user to the main
>database on the web like a simple MDB on a network.
>
>On ASP pages is too easy make this but, from an application in MDB or MDE??
>
>Thanks
>
>Juan Menendez
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 10 14:34:07 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:34:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Open one database from another in A97
References: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIAEKCDAAA.greggs@msn.com>
Message-ID: <3F8709AF.9080207@shaw.ca>

You could try TSI SOON
http://www.trigeminal.com/lang/1033/utility.asp?ItemID=8#8

Greggs wrote:

>I have a database that opens a second database using sendkeys (ugly huh?).
>I need to switch to DAO so I can open a password protected database.  I have
>used the code from the knowledge base
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;161016&Product=acc97
>but I can't get it to close the first database and open a form in the
>second.
>
>here's the code from the Knowledge base...
>
>Sub OpenDB()
>       Dim db As Database
>       Dim ws As WorkSpace
>       Dim rst As Recordset
>       Set ws = DBEngine.WorkSpaces(0)
>       Set db = ws.OpenDatabase _
>       ("C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb", _
>       False, False, "MS Access;PWD=northwind")
>       Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("Customers", dbOpenDynaset)
>       If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
>         rst.MoveLast
>         MsgBox rst!CustomerID
>       End If
>       rst.Close
>       db.Close
>      End Sub
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>Do I have to open an application first?
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Oct 10 14:43:37 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:43:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C629127@natexch.jenkens.com>

I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.  Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.  Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to fix
it?

Debbie


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 14:52:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:52:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222730F@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, because an event can return values....so it's 'modal'.

That way if you raise a 'ImportAboutToBegin' event, with a Cancel argument,
you can check for the Cancel argument value on the next line to determine if
you want to begin or not.

Drew

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Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes

A quick question about classes and events

If I create a class that has a loop in one of the methods and raise 
an event in that loop. 

If I have used WithEvents to dim the class and created an event 
handler to deal with this event, does the loop code in the class 
"pause" while the event handler handles the raised event?

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 14:56:58 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:56:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227310@main2.marlow.com>

Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move to a
SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data dumping into
SQL Server.

TIA,

Drew

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Oct 10 15:01:31 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:01:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227310@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003501c38f69$4df29f30$5b0b6351@martin1>

Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.


Martin



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> Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move to a
> SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data dumping
into
> SQL Server.
>
> TIA,
>
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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Oct 10 15:06:08 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:06:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E31@NT04.karta.com>


Have you upgraded your print driver?

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.  Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.  Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to fix
it?

Debbie


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 10 15:13:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:13:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C629127@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c38f6b$07501fb0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...have you installed the latest driver from HP? ...the default install uses
the MS unidrivers and they are problematic with a number of printers in XP
...I've got a large format/high speed Minolta that works fine in 98/2K but
is a real pita w/XP :(

William Hindman
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Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


> I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
> recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.
Using
> NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now it
> does not.
>
> The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
> legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can force
> the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts
off
> to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
> record to another page.
>
> I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.  Printers
of
> other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to
fix
> it?
>
> Debbie
>
>
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Oct 10 15:16:11 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:16:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C629128@natexch.jenkens.com>

The XP installation was from scratch.  We did not upgrade over top of the NT
workstation.  All printer drivers would be those in XP.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems



Have you upgraded your print driver?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.  Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.  Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to fix
it?

Debbie


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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Oct 10 15:22:52 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:22:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D176070B7@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Debbie,
We also have 4 HP 8100Ns. Another thing to check, assuming it's a
networked printer are the drivers that the network folks loaded.  You
can have PCL or Postscript or both.  We had some problems with documents
created using a default printer as postscript and then having to print
it on a PCL printer when one of our print servers went South.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.
Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now
it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can
force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts
off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.
Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to
fix
it?

Debbie


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 15:28:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:28:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227311@main2.marlow.com>

I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain to
my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to come
in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
looking for industry standard pricing.....

Make sense?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?

Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.


Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
to a
> SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
dumping
into
> SQL Server.
>
> TIA,
>
> Drew
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Oct 10 15:33:43 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:33:43 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <002401c38f61$cc6a3ce0$5b0b6351@martin1>
References: <200310101349.h9ADnpe30579@databaseadvisors.com>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031011093149.00b3e260@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

What are the reporting problems?  The primary purpose of the application is 
to generate the reports.  The idea is to enter the data via a web interface 
but print out the reports on the users printer.

David


At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
>Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
>have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
>software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
>Access reports almost as is via the web.
>
>If you need anymore information email me.
>
>Martin
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> > wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> > situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
> > access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for
> > them).
> >
> > David
> >
> > At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > >
> > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >>Message-ID:
> > >>
><DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > >>
> > >>Just a little remark.
> > >>
> > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> > >>access from local and internet network.
> > >>
> > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > >>complexity developing apps).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Erwin Craps
> > >
> > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 10 15:36:18 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:36:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227311@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004301c38f6e$28a6cb20$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain
to
> my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
> problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to come
> in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
> looking for industry standard pricing.....
>
> Make sense?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
> Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> to a
> > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> dumping
> into
> > SQL Server.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org  Fri Oct 10 15:57:23 2003
From: KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org (KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:57:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
Message-ID: <OFC94D8447.4D460423-ON05256DBB.007311D4@parkcenter.org>

Haven't seen the whole thread, but is Citrix an option here?    Works 
beautifully for us.






David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
10/10/2003 03:33 PM
Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving 

 
        To:     Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
        cc: 
        Subject:        Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)


What are the reporting problems?  The primary purpose of the application 
is 
to generate the reports.  The idea is to enter the data via a web 
interface 
but print out the reports on the users printer.

David


At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
>Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
>have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
>software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
>Access reports almost as is via the web.
>
>If you need anymore information email me.
>
>Martin
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the 
program
> > wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> > situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines 
but
> > access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple 
for
> > them).
> >
> > David
> >
> > At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > >
> > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >>Message-ID:
> > >>
><DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > >>
> > >>Just a little remark.
> > >>
> > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for 
simultaneous
> > >>access from local and internet network.
> > >>
> > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > >>complexity developing apps).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Erwin Craps
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >AccessD mailing list
> > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Fri Oct 10 15:56:54 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:56:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting MDB app to MDB in web
In-Reply-To: <3F870714.7010708@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001501c38f71$0a43fc90$0000fea9@servercafe>

We use a FTP ActiveX control to upload the database, for control some
synchro problems we use some boolean fields (domestic solution, we are study
replications in access). When we actualized the main, go to the Upload
process and 5 min later is ready to use on the web.

Simply but not many professional, we use ASP on the web, and MDE aplication
on PC's. We are looking information who to use the same database from ASP or
MDE local aplication.

Juan

===========================================
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Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: viernes, 10 de octubre de 2003 21:23
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connecting MDB app to MDB in web


how about uploading a recordset in Access via a Soap service ?

MastercafeCTV wrote:

>We are using an MDB on a web that we actualice with and FTP process 
>from our application. This run correctly but have some problem to 
>synchronice when more than 1 user is working. We pretend connect the 
>user to the main database on the web like a simple MDB on a network.
>
>On ASP pages is too easy make this but, from an application in MDB or 
>MDE??
>
>Thanks
>
>Juan Menendez
>
>===========================================
>MASTERCAFE SL - NIF B-82.617.614
>www.mastercafe.com
>Deleg. Asturias
>Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
>Fax 627.500.205
>info at mastercafe.com
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>  
>

-- 
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From rfv at entelix.com  Fri Oct 10 17:09:23 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:09:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <200310102109.h9AL9ae07563@databaseadvisors.com>

Why not simply use MS Terminal Services!
Rudolf F. Vanek

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2003 12:49 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving

Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program 
wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the 
situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but 
access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for 
them).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
>It will connect to any SQL Server.
>
>Robert
>
>P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
>ADP, let me know if you need any help with
>it.  I am in the final stages of converting
>a large application into it and can fill you
>in on some of the things to look for.
>
>At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
>>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID:
>>         <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>Just a little remark.
>>
>>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
>>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
>>access from local and internet network.
>>
>>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
>>complexity developing apps).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps
>
>
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Oct 10 16:12:48 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:12:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C62912A@natexch.jenkens.com>

I will give this a try.  Unfortunately I need to get the network guys to do
it.  My attempts at tests showed that I did not have enough permissions.  I
could not even use a local printer driver.  Well we shall see.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


Debbie,
We also have 4 HP 8100Ns. Another thing to check, assuming it's a
networked printer are the drivers that the network folks loaded.  You
can have PCL or Postscript or both.  We had some problems with documents
created using a default printer as postscript and then having to print
it on a PCL printer when one of our print servers went South.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.
Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now
it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can
force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts
off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.
Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to
fix
it?

Debbie


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 16:57:06 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:57:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A use for Switch()
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True so true

Andy

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> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> I don't think you'll be able to notice any difference.
> 
> But an IIf construction handling more than a couple of items 
> is horrible.
> 
> > That's neat Gustav. I'd have used IIF but I know that 
> that's hard on 
> > resources. Is SWITCH any better?
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 17:52:20 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:52:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F974A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Dim objExcel as object
Dim objWorksheet as object

This is more clear than variant.

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>>You can use object type to<<
Sorry don't understand what you mean.

BTW - it works on her machine now if she uses a Variant for the VBIDE
objects.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails



You can use object type to. 
This will result in not having the autosuggest while developing.
I noticed that this solved some issues to. Al hase to do with late/early
binding.


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Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning
up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a
Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to
Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors. When you
close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

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John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
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Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
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>TIA,
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 17:56:47 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:56:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F974B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

IF you previously saved your report with a specific printer,your saved
settings will reset when it detects you don't have that pprinter no
more.

Edit the report (design mode), choose default printer, set landscape
options...save report and try again.

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Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I will give this a try.  Unfortunately I need to get the network guys to
do it.  My attempts at tests showed that I did not have enough
permissions.  I could not even use a local printer driver.  Well we
shall see.

Debbie

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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


Debbie,
We also have 4 HP 8100Ns. Another thing to check, assuming it's a
networked printer are the drivers that the network folks loaded.  You
can have PCL or Postscript or both.  We had some problems with documents
created using a default printer as postscript and then having to print
it on a PCL printer when one of our print servers went South.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.
Using NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly,
now it does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can
force the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing
still cuts off to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves
the rest of the record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this. Printers
of other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done
to fix it?

Debbie


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From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Oct 10 22:15:30 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:15:30 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
Message-ID: <oprwuzb4sceuy8y3@localhost>

Dear Mates:
I?d like to have your opinion on this matter. An app of mine has a form 
with a graph object based on a query. End-users want to export this graph 
in order to use it in a PowerPoint slide; so it might be exported as .BMP, 
.JPG, .GIF or .WMF. I tried the code below in a cmdbutton?

Dim objGraph as object
Set objGraph = Me![Graph_Name].object
ObjGraph.Export ?c:\temp\Graph_Name.JPG?
?objGraph.Action = acOLECopy
Set objGraph = Nothing

Appropriate reference to MS Graph 9 has been set.
The Export method worked fine and the graph was correctly exported. The 
Action method didn?t work at all. My real problem is that both methods 
generate an error msg stating ?OLE server must be re-installed? and Access 
itself crashed. Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I found one (sometimes two or three) 
instances (processes?) ?Graph9? still opened. Another important 
consideration is that end-users will work with Access 2000 but other 
components of Office 97.
TIA,
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 10 22:23:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:23:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
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...just a wag ...bmp is the native Access graphic filter ...the jpg graphic
filter is installed with the other office components and not native to
Access ...thus trying to use the O97 jpg filter with A2K may be a problem.

William Hindman
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Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object


> Dear Mates:
> I?d like to have your opinion on this matter. An app of mine has a form
> with a graph object based on a query. End-users want to export this graph
> in order to use it in a PowerPoint slide; so it might be exported as .BMP,
> .JPG, .GIF or .WMF. I tried the code below in a cmdbutton?
>
> Dim objGraph as object
> Set objGraph = Me![Graph_Name].object
> ObjGraph.Export ?c:\temp\Graph_Name.JPG?
> ?objGraph.Action = acOLECopy
> Set objGraph = Nothing
>
> Appropriate reference to MS Graph 9 has been set.
> The Export method worked fine and the graph was correctly exported. The
> Action method didn?t work at all. My real problem is that both methods
> generate an error msg stating ?OLE server must be re-installed? and Access
> itself crashed. Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I found one (sometimes two or three)
> instances (processes?) ?Graph9? still opened. Another important
> consideration is that end-users will work with Access 2000 but other
> components of Office 97.
> TIA,
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From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Oct 10 22:54:17 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:54:17 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:23:50 -0400, William Hindman 
<wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> ...just a wag ...bmp is the native Access graphic filter ...the jpg 
> graphic
> filter is installed with the other office components and not native to
> Access ...thus trying to use the O97 jpg filter with A2K may be a 
> problem.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Alberto Alves" 
> <caa at highway.com.br>
> To: "AccessD List" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:15 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
>
>
>> Dear Mates:
>> I?d like to have your opinion on this matter. An app of mine has a form
>> with a graph object based on a query. End-users want to export this 
>> graph
>> in order to use it in a PowerPoint slide; so it might be exported as 
>> .BMP,
>> .JPG, .GIF or .WMF. I tried the code below in a cmdbutton?
>>
>> Dim objGraph as object
>> Set objGraph = Me![Graph_Name].object
>> ObjGraph.Export ?c:\temp\Graph_Name.JPG?
>> ?objGraph.Action = acOLECopy
>> Set objGraph = Nothing
>>
>> Appropriate reference to MS Graph 9 has been set.
>> The Export method worked fine and the graph was correctly exported. The
>> Action method didn?t work at all. My real problem is that both methods
>> generate an error msg stating ?OLE server must be re-installed? and 
>> Access
>> itself crashed. Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I found one (sometimes two or three)
>> instances (processes?) ?Graph9? still opened. Another important
>> consideration is that end-users will work with Access 2000 but other
>> components of Office 97.

I will try .BMP format and let you know the outcome.
Thanks for your reply,
-- 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Oct 10 17:31:31 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:31:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
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Message-ID: <000001c38fd0$ce66a9b0$5b0b6351@martin1>

Drew

as william says

How many tables
Whats the data like
What is the data
Lot of  dates there
How "valid" is the data

etc etc

I found again as William says its either simple and things go well or you
end up with one or two manual changes to make.

If I can see the mdb I will give you my price for it and you can take it
from there at whatever rate u charge.


Martin


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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> ...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
> structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
> ...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
> full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(
>
> William Hindman
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>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain
> to
> > my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> > before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
> > problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to
come
> > in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
> > looking for industry standard pricing.....
> >
> > Make sense?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Reid
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> > Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
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> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> >
> > > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> > to a
> > > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> > > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> > dumping
> > into
> > > SQL Server.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 11 04:06:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:06:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
In-Reply-To: <3F79700E0010BB12@cpfe9.be.tisc.dk>
References: <3F79700E0010BB12@cpfe9.be.tisc.dk> (added by
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Message-ID: <1843120867.20031011110659@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Joel Spolsky has some comments on PHP, internationalization, Unicode
and character sets.

/gustav

---

From: Joel On Software <fogcreek at whatcounts.com>
Date: Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:47:53 AM
Subject: [JoelOnSoftware] Unicode and Character Sets

When I discovered that the popular web development tool PHP 
has almost complete ignorance of character encoding issues, 
blithely using 8 bits for characters, making it darn near 
impossible to develop good international web applications, 
I thought, enough is enough. 

So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer 
working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters, 
character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm 
going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in 
a submarine. I swear I will.

 The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer 
 Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and 
 Character Sets (No Excuses!)

 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

Joel Spolsky
spolsky at fogcreek.com


From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sat Oct 11 04:28:06 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:58:06 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A421@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Because you don't have a native reporting tool available (such as Access).

Much harder to produce custom reports in HTML with the flexibility you are
used to with Access.  This is the reason that there are producst such as
"Crystal Reports' on the market.

(PS.  MS are about to release a new (web based) reporting tool linked to SQL
Server but using a similar design interface as Access.  Currently in BETA)

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 6:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)


What are the reporting problems?  The primary purpose of the application is 
to generate the reports.  The idea is to enter the data via a web interface 
but print out the reports on the users printer.

David


At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
>Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
>have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
>software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
>Access reports almost as is via the web.
>
>If you need anymore information email me.
>
>Martin
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> > wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> > situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines
but
> > access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple
for
> > them).
> >
> > David
> >
> > At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > >
> > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >>Message-ID:
> > >>
><DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > >>
> > >>Just a little remark.
> > >>
> > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> > >>access from local and internet network.
> > >>
> > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > >>complexity developing apps).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Erwin Craps
> > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 11 05:45:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:45:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3EE2@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
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Message-ID: <1379049352.20031011124547@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

> Tried your suggestion with no change in the result. I checked and there
> are 21 records on the subject date. I want to sum the records that meet
> the subquery criteria. Thanks

I think you need to elaborate a little (well, much) on this to get any
useful answers.
Not quite sure what you're after and why and which criteria for what
and if these are generic or for the sum only ...

/gustav


>> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT,
>> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
>> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
>> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
>> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
>> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
>> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

>> If I change the query to the following no records are returned

>> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
>> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
>> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
>> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from 
>> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND 
>> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS") AND 
>> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
>> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 07:16:32 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:16:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65718@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <004401c38ff1$8200d9d0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Paula
See previous thread on 19 Sept subject "Restore box". It's maximizing
the window that is the problem. If you don't max then you can control
whether Restore, Close etc appear. If you max then you can't. the trick
is to size the window to almost max but not actually maximize. The link
Bryan's given you is to do just that.
 
HTH
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>  

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paula Wright
Sent: 08 October 2003 13:32
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Restore button



No.  That didn't affect anything. 

Paula 

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:13 -0400 
From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com> 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Restore button 
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Message-ID: 
        <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1896C9 at wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

Paula - 

Try changing the form's 'Border Style' property to Dialog. 



Mark 



-----Original Message----- 
From: Paula Wright [ <mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com>
mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:35 PM 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button 



I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the
database.  This form has a Restore Window button in the top right corner
than I cannot seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to No, the
Min Max Buttons set to None.  I have searched the Options, Tools and
Help and not found anything.  Does anyone know how to remove the restore
window button?  

Also, there is a Help question box that is on the Access Menu Bar.  I'd
like to remove that as well. 

Thanks, 

Paula Wright 
Programmer/Analyst 
paulawright at boddienoell.com < <mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 07:20:55 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:20:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Updating a table 
In-Reply-To: <1760BC98927AD51181A60002A51EF7315B1DA8@SUMMIT01S003>
Message-ID: <004e01c38ff2$1ee7ef40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Paul
When you say "selected by the User", how are they selected? How for that
matter are they originally filtered from the main table? What you need
is to use the criteria which filtered them, plus the criteria which
defines "selected by user", in an uopdate query which will update
TheField with the value "bb3". Beyond that we'd need more info to be
more specific.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>  

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Updating a table 


150 records are filtered from a table (tblMyTable) which holds about
1500 records. 120 of them are selected by the User and now I must enter
the phrase "bb3" into a field called "TheField" in the table. 

Is there a way to have a Query (or code) enter this in the correct 120
records, please, gurus?

paul

Paul Rodgers
Online Strategy and e-PR
Summit Media
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat Oct 11 08:11:06 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:11:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F971C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <0c8801c38ff9$215b8320$0200a8c0@S856>

Berichtit does play MP3
have not tried WMA however

Lembit Soobik

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  From: Erwin Craps 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:10 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?



  Does anyone know if the PlaySound API library also plays MP3/WMA files or only WAV?
  I like to use this API for reasons of speed. It plays files instantly with any load delay, which is crucial for my app.
  And for not beeing a control that needs to be installed on a pc.




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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Oct 11 08:22:28 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:22:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F971C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
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Bericht...how did you manage that Lembit ...I get an error if I spec anything other than a wav file?

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lembit Soobik 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?


  it does play MP3
  have not tried WMA however

  Lembit Soobik

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    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:10 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?



    Does anyone know if the PlaySound API library also plays MP3/WMA files or only WAV?
    I like to use this API for reasons of speed. It plays files instantly with any load delay, which is crucial for my app.
    And for not beeing a control that needs to be installed on a pc.




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    Zaakvoerder 

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Sat Oct 11 10:33:34 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:33:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Format Field
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0025@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I am having problems with a formatted field. The FailureReportNo is a number
field.
 
On a search form, I want to double-click on the failure report number and
open another form that contains all the failure data.
 
On the search form I have the FailureReportNo with the Control Source:
=Format([FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
 
On the double-click of the FailureReportNo I have:
 
    stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
Me![FailureReportNo]
    DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
    DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmFind"
 
The problem is the search form FailureReportNo field contains #Error & if I
double click on the field (to test it anyway) I get Type Mismatch. Do I have
my quotes wrong?
 
Virginia
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Sat Oct 11 10:47:35 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:47:35 -0500
Subject: FW: Out of Office AutoReply: [AccessD] Format Field
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0026@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Alright this makes the second Out of Office message today....
 
May need to remind everyone again to unsubscribe temporarily when the are
out.
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 10:46 AM
To: Hollis,Virginia
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [AccessD] Format Field



I am out of the office on Thursday October 9th --Monday October 21st. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 11 13:13:54 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:13:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
In-Reply-To: <1843120867.20031011110659@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEGCCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

<rant mode on>
Eight months ago, I was brought into a project that required English and
Japanese. In addition to this the client had kindly bought a full shopping
cart and affiliate program written in Perl. My job was simply to design the
graphical front-end for a web site. The front end was fairly simple but
attention had to be paid to the back-end.

We had difficulty getting the ISP to upgrade to Perl version 5.x, so that it
would recognize encoding. The package was finally completed but for one
outstanding set of issues. The designer of the Perl code did not use a SQL
back-end but some kind of flat-base filing system. English worked fine but
there was no way I could get the Japanese to work, period. None of the Perl
sorting or importing routines worked right, not without a complete re-write.

The current project is now on hold. We did finally move the project to a PHP
and SQL back-end arrangement. No-one I know can get the thing resurrected,
it is so far over budget and I am simply out of time and patience.

In the future, when someone comes to me with a UTF-8 project the price will
be triple and that will be after I have under gone a complete mental
examination.
<rant mode off>

...and that is my two cents worth.
Jim

PS That is a great article/site on Unicode and character sets. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets


Hi all

Joel Spolsky has some comments on PHP, internationalization, Unicode
and character sets.

/gustav

---

From: Joel On Software <fogcreek at whatcounts.com>
Date: Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:47:53 AM
Subject: [JoelOnSoftware] Unicode and Character Sets

When I discovered that the popular web development tool PHP
has almost complete ignorance of character encoding issues,
blithely using 8 bits for characters, making it darn near
impossible to develop good international web applications,
I thought, enough is enough.

So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer
working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters,
character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm
going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in
a submarine. I swear I will.

 The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
 Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and
 Character Sets (No Excuses!)

 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

Joel Spolsky
spolsky at fogcreek.com

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Oct 11 17:42:46 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:42:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Format Field
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0025@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3F891406.2581.DB07E@localhost>

On 11 Oct 2003 at 10:33, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> I am having problems with a formatted field. The FailureReportNo is a number
> field.
>  
> On a search form, I want to double-click on the failure report number and
> open another form that contains all the failure data.
>  
> On the search form I have the FailureReportNo with the Control Source:
> =Format([FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
>  
> On the double-click of the FailureReportNo I have:
>  
>     stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
> Me![FailureReportNo]
>     DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
>     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmFind"
>  
> The problem is the search form FailureReportNo field contains #Error & if I
> double click on the field (to test it anyway) I get Type Mismatch. Do I have
> my quotes wrong?
>  

My guess:
You created the textbox by dragggin it from the FieldView window andf 
then change dthe control source afterwards. 

As a result, you have the textbox named "FailureReportNo" and are 
using the field "FailureReportNo" in a function as the control source 
(causing a circular reference)

When you double click, it use the textbox name 
(Me![FailuyreReportNo]) to build the string stLinkCriteria which 
becomes "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=EF-1234"

Either - rename the textbox to txtFailureReportNo
or - reset the control source to  a simple "FailureReportNo" and 
format it using the format property of the textbox.


 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Oct 11 22:55:51 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:55:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227314@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, thanks for the offer, I'll let my client know.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


Drew

as william says

How many tables
Whats the data like
What is the data
Lot of  dates there
How "valid" is the data

etc etc

I found again as William says its either simple and things go well or you
end up with one or two manual changes to make.

If I can see the mdb I will give you my price for it and you can take it
from there at whatever rate u charge.


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> ...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
> structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
> ...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
> full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain
> to
> > my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> > before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
> > problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to
come
> > in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
> > looking for industry standard pricing.....
> >
> > Make sense?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Reid
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> > Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> >
> > > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> > to a
> > > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> > > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> > dumping
> > into
> > > SQL Server.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Drew
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Oct 11 23:23:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:23:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227318@main2.marlow.com>

What address should I send it too, it's about a meg, zipped.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


Drew

as william says

How many tables
Whats the data like
What is the data
Lot of  dates there
How "valid" is the data

etc etc

I found again as William says its either simple and things go well or you
end up with one or two manual changes to make.

If I can see the mdb I will give you my price for it and you can take it
from there at whatever rate u charge.


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> ...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
> structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
> ...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
> full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain
> to
> > my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> > before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
> > problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to
come
> > in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
> > looking for industry standard pricing.....
> >
> > Make sense?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Reid
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> > Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> >
> > > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> > to a
> > > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> > > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> > dumping
> > into
> > > SQL Server.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Drew
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Oct 12 00:47:52 2003
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:47:52 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEGCCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00c401c39084$62ae51a0$0100a8c0@kost36>

HI Jim,
I am very happy hearing someone to describe a problem that I had some months
ago....
The difference between us was that I tried hardly  to do the same for a
client in both Greek and Arabic....
I will never again take any job like this....

Be well
Kostas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets


> Hi Gustav:
>
> <rant mode on>
> Eight months ago, I was brought into a project that required English and
> Japanese. In addition to this the client had kindly bought a full shopping
> cart and affiliate program written in Perl. My job was simply to design
the
> graphical front-end for a web site. The front end was fairly simple but
> attention had to be paid to the back-end.
>
> We had difficulty getting the ISP to upgrade to Perl version 5.x, so that
it
> would recognize encoding. The package was finally completed but for one
> outstanding set of issues. The designer of the Perl code did not use a SQL
> back-end but some kind of flat-base filing system. English worked fine but
> there was no way I could get the Japanese to work, period. None of the
Perl
> sorting or importing routines worked right, not without a complete
re-write.
>
> The current project is now on hold. We did finally move the project to a
PHP
> and SQL back-end arrangement. No-one I know can get the thing resurrected,
> it is so far over budget and I am simply out of time and patience.
>
> In the future, when someone comes to me with a UTF-8 project the price
will
> be triple and that will be after I have under gone a complete mental
> examination.
> <rant mode off>
>
> ...and that is my two cents worth.
> Jim
>
> PS That is a great article/site on Unicode and character sets. :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Joel Spolsky has some comments on PHP, internationalization, Unicode
> and character sets.
>
> /gustav
>
> ---
>
> From: Joel On Software <fogcreek at whatcounts.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:47:53 AM
> Subject: [JoelOnSoftware] Unicode and Character Sets
>
> When I discovered that the popular web development tool PHP
> has almost complete ignorance of character encoding issues,
> blithely using 8 bits for characters, making it darn near
> impossible to develop good international web applications,
> I thought, enough is enough.
>
> So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer
> working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters,
> character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm
> going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in
> a submarine. I swear I will.
>
>  The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
>  Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and
>  Character Sets (No Excuses!)
>
>  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
>
> Joel Spolsky
> spolsky at fogcreek.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 12 03:11:46 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:11:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Retrieval of picture from an html page (solved)
In-Reply-To: <3B5C70B0.AF287C2C@cactus.dk>
References: <3B5C70B0.AF287C2C@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1165582286.20031012101146@cactus.dk>

Well, looks like I never posted the solution I found.

1. Add a reference to MSInet.ocx.
2. Create a form.
3. Add the ActiveX control MSInet.ocx to this form.
4. Add a button or something else to run this function:

<code>

Public Function RetrieveURLfile( _
  ByVal strURLFile As String, _
  ByVal strFilename As String) _
  As Boolean

' Example:
'
'   strURLFile: "http://www.somedomain.com/files/myfile.zip"
'   strFilename: "c:\myfiles\myfile.zip"

  Const clngTimeout As Long = 30

  Dim ctlInet?????? As Control
  Dim abytFile()??? As Byte
  Dim intFreeFile?? As Integer

  If Len(strURLFile) = 0 Or Len(strFilename) = 0 Then
    ' Nothing to do.
  Else
    ' Retrieve file.
    Set ctlInet = Me!axctlInet
    intFreeFile = FreeFile

    With ctlInet
      .RequestTimeout = clngTimeout
      .Protocol = icHTTP
      .URL = strURLFile
      abytFile() = .OpenURL(, icByteArray)
    End With

    Open strFilename For Binary Access Write As #intFreeFile
    Put #intFreeFile, , abytFile()
    Close #intFreeFile

    Set ctlInet = Nothing

    RetrieveURLfile = True

  End If

End Function

</code>


How should I retrieve one specific jpg file from an html page?

The file name is always the same but the picture (file) is updated
frequently. The task is to download the file automatically and (that's
the easy part) save it using a different name built from the date
information.

I imagine using a form with a timer event to initiate a download and
add an entry in a log table.
But how do I "connect" to the page?


From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 12 06:48:13 2003
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:48:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Retrieval of picture from an html page (solved)
References: <3B5C70B0.AF287C2C@cactus.dk>
	<1165582286.20031012101146@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE208u4xIt1Ytx00001cc4@hotmail.com>

...hah! ...it works! ...another useful bit of code that goes into my stash
...thanks for posting it :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Retrieval of picture from an html page (solved)


> Well, looks like I never posted the solution I found.
>
> 1. Add a reference to MSInet.ocx.
> 2. Create a form.
> 3. Add the ActiveX control MSInet.ocx to this form.
> 4. Add a button or something else to run this function:
>
> <code>
>
> Public Function RetrieveURLfile( _
>   ByVal strURLFile As String, _
>   ByVal strFilename As String) _
>   As Boolean
>
> ' Example:
> '
> '   strURLFile: "http://www.somedomain.com/files/myfile.zip"
> '   strFilename: "c:\myfiles\myfile.zip"
>
>   Const clngTimeout As Long = 30
>
>   Dim ctlInet As Control
>   Dim abytFile() As Byte
>   Dim intFreeFile As Integer
>
>   If Len(strURLFile) = 0 Or Len(strFilename) = 0 Then
>     ' Nothing to do.
>   Else
>     ' Retrieve file.
>     Set ctlInet = Me!axctlInet
>     intFreeFile = FreeFile
>
>     With ctlInet
>       .RequestTimeout = clngTimeout
>       .Protocol = icHTTP
>       .URL = strURLFile
>       abytFile() = .OpenURL(, icByteArray)
>     End With
>
>     Open strFilename For Binary Access Write As #intFreeFile
>     Put #intFreeFile, , abytFile()
>     Close #intFreeFile
>
>     Set ctlInet = Nothing
>
>     RetrieveURLfile = True
>
>   End If
>
> End Function
>
> </code>
>
>
> How should I retrieve one specific jpg file from an html page?
>
> The file name is always the same but the picture (file) is updated
> frequently. The task is to download the file automatically and (that's
> the easy part) save it using a different name built from the date
> information.
>
> I imagine using a form with a timer event to initiate a download and
> add an entry in a log table.
> But how do I "connect" to the page?
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From caa at highway.com.br  Sun Oct 12 10:01:18 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:01:18 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
In-Reply-To: <000d01c38fa7$17126de0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <oprwuzb4sceuy8y3@localhost>
	<000d01c38fa7$17126de0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <oprwxqogiweuy8y3@localhost>

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:23:50 -0400, William Hindman 
<wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> ...just a wag ...bmp is the native Access graphic filter ...the jpg 
> graphic
> filter is installed with the other office components and not native to
> Access ...thus trying to use the O97 jpg filter with A2K may be a 
> problem.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Alberto Alves" 
> <caa at highway.com.br>
> To: "AccessD List" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:15 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
>
>
>> Dear Mates:
>> I?d like to have your opinion on this matter. An app of mine has a form
>> with a graph object based on a query. End-users want to export this 
>> graph
>> in order to use it in a PowerPoint slide; so it might be exported as 
>> .BMP,
>> .JPG, .GIF or .WMF. I tried the code below in a cmdbutton?
>>
>> Dim objGraph as object
>> Set objGraph = Me![Graph_Name].object
>> ObjGraph.Export ?c:\temp\Graph_Name.JPG?
>> ?objGraph.Action = acOLECopy
>> Set objGraph = Nothing
>>
>> Appropriate reference to MS Graph 9 has been set.
>> The Export method worked fine and the graph was correctly exported. The
>> Action method didn?t work at all. My real problem is that both methods
>> generate an error msg stating ?OLE server must be re-installed? and 
>> Access
>> itself crashed. Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I found one (sometimes two or three)
>> instances (processes?) ?Graph9? still opened. Another important
>> consideration is that end-users will work with Access 2000 but other
>> components of Office 97.

Hi William!
I tried that code using .BMP as file format, but i have got same error 
message.
:(
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 12 10:18:33 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:18:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Software entrepreneur prevails against ex-client 
Message-ID: <004001c390d4$19de2040$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

FYI - 

http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/sun/business/news_1b12verdict.html

Although the article is unclear about some of the legal details, there appears to have been no contract.  And in the absence of a contract, if I understand the law correctly, ownership the work product stays with the developer.

I personally have never had to sign a contract with a client specifying that ownership of the software I develop belongs to the client.


Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Oct 12 11:50:53 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:50:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227318@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000901c390e1$00fd56b0$5b0b6351@martin1>

Send it to mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

Of put it on the web and I can download it from work in the morning. That
would be the best way.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> What address should I send it too, it's about a meg, zipped.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> Drew
>
> as william says
>
> How many tables
> Whats the data like
> What is the data
> Lot of  dates there
> How "valid" is the data
>
> etc etc
>
> I found again as William says its either simple and things go well or you
> end up with one or two manual changes to make.
>
> If I can see the mdb I will give you my price for it and you can take it
> from there at whatever rate u charge.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > ...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
> > structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
> > ...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
> > full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> >
> > > I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least
explain
> > to
> > > my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> > > before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't
a
> > > problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to
> come
> > > in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I
am
> > > looking for industry standard pricing.....
> > >
> > > Make sense?
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Reid
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> > >
> > > Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
> > >
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> > > to a
> > > > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm
just
> > > > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> > > dumping
> > > into
> > > > SQL Server.
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Drew
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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Oct 12 15:24:50 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:24:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
Message-ID: <000001c390fe$eb88cd50$6501a8c0@rock>

When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Oct 12 15:06:14 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:06:14 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <200310102109.h9AL9ae07563@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031013085855.00b37e30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

What is involved with this?  Do the users need to do any setting up?  If so 
then it is probably a no-go.  The client wants as little work as possible 
for the users.  Any installation of software would need to be so simple my 
95 yr old grand mother could do it (and she has never even touched a 
computer before in her life).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Why not simply use MS Terminal Services!
>Rudolf F. Vanek
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2003 12:49 p.m.
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>
>Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
>wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
>situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
>access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for
>them).
>
>David
>
>At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> >a large application into it and can fill you
> >in on some of the things to look for.
> >
> >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Message-ID:
> >>         <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >>Just a little remark.
> >>
> >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> >>access from local and internet network.
> >>
> >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> >>complexity developing apps).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Erwin Craps


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Oct 12 15:09:53 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:09:53 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <OFC94D8447.4D460423-ON05256DBB.007311D4@parkcenter.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031013090816.01b7faa0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

That may be an option however it seems to involve setting up software on 
the users machines.  The client wants as little work as possible for the 
users.  Any installation of software would need to be so simple my 95 yr 
old grand mother could do it (and she has never even touched a computer 
before in her life).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:

>Haven't seen the whole thread, but is Citrix an option here?    Works 
>beautifully for us.
>
>
>
>
>David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>10/10/2003 03:33 PM
>Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>
>         To:        Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>
>What are the reporting problems?  The primary purpose of the application is
>to generate the reports.  The idea is to enter the data via a web interface
>but print out the reports on the users printer.
>
>David
>
>
>At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
> >Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
> >have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
> >software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
> >Access reports almost as is via the web.
> >
> >If you need anymore information email me.
> >
> >Martin
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> >
> >
> > > Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> > > wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> > > situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
> > > access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it 
> simple for
> > > them).
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > > >
> > > >Robert
> > > >
> > > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > > >
> > > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >>Message-ID:
> > > >>
> ><DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > > >>
> > > >>Just a little remark.
> > > >>
> > > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> > > >>access from local and internet network.
> > > >>
> > > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > > >>complexity developing apps).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Erwin Craps
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sun Oct 12 15:32:33 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:32:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
References: 	<DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F971C@stekelbes.ithelps.local><0c8801c38ff9$215b8320$0200a8c0@S856>
	<002501c38ffa$b7d03f20$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <0e0001c390ff$fda42880$0200a8c0@S856>

Berichthmmmm... I did not realize there is a problem. I will dig into the code tomorrow and let you all know. it is a pretty old db and I have since modified that part, but I rmember Playsound to work with mp3 as well as wav. too late today.
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 3:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?


  ...how did you manage that Lembit ...I get an error if I spec anything other than a wav file?

  William Hindman
  <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lembit Soobik 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?


    it does play MP3
    have not tried WMA however

    Lembit Soobik

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Erwin Craps 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:10 AM
      Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?



      Does anyone know if the PlaySound API library also plays MP3/WMA files or only WAV?
      I like to use this API for reasons of speed. It plays files instantly with any load delay, which is crucial for my app.
      And for not beeing a control that needs to be installed on a pc.




      Erwin Craps

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 12 15:44:56 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:44:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031013085855.00b37e30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000901c39101$b25eadd0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...if your client has IE 5 or better its a very simple dl and auto
install/config ...you can dl the Citrix client from the Citrix site and test
it yourself against a live demo db ...the same goes for TS although as with
anything MS, its not quite as straight forward ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)


> What is involved with this?  Do the users need to do any setting up?  If
so
> then it is probably a no-go.  The client wants as little work as possible
> for the users.  Any installation of software would need to be so simple my
> 95 yr old grand mother could do it (and she has never even touched a
> computer before in her life).
>
> David
>
> At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Why not simply use MS Terminal Services!
> >Rudolf F. Vanek
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
> >Sent: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2003 12:49 p.m.
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >
> >Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> >wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> >situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
> >access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple
for
> >them).
> >
> >David
> >
> >At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > >
> > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >>Message-ID:
> > >>
<DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > >>
> > >>Just a little remark.
> > >>
> > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> > >>access from local and internet network.
> > >>
> > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > >>complexity developing apps).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Erwin Craps
>
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From cclenright at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 16:09:44 2003
From: cclenright at yahoo.com (Chris Enright)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour - Why Men lie...
In-Reply-To: <20030920160313.51945.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031012210944.35905.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>



One day, while a woodcutter was cutting a branch off a tree above a river, his axe fell into the river. 

When he cried out, the Lord appeared and asked, ?Why are you crying?" The woodcutter replied that his axe has fallen into water, and he needed the axe to make his living.

The Lord went down into the water and reappeared with a golden axe. "Is this your axe?" the Lord asked. The woodcutter replied, "No." The Lord again went down and came up with a silver axe. ?Is this your axe?" the Lord asked. Again, the woodcutter replied, "No." The Lord went down again and came up with an iron axe. ?Is this your axe?" the Lord asked. The woodcutter replied, "Yes."

The Lord was pleased with the man's honesty and gave him all three axes to keep, and the woodcutter went home happy. Some time later the woodcutter was walking with his wife along the riverbank, and his wife fell into the river.

When he cried out, the Lord again appeared and asked him, "Why are you crying?"

"Oh Lord, my wife has fallen into the water!" The Lord went down into the water and came up with Jennifer Lopez. "Is this your wife?" the Lord asked. "Yes," cried the woodcutter. The Lord was furious. "You lied! That is an untruth!" 

The woodcutter replied, "Oh, forgive me, my Lord. It is a misunderstanding. You see, if I had said 'no' to Jennifer Lopez, You would have come up with Catherine Zeta-Jones. Then if I also said 'no' to her, you would have come up with my wife. Had I then said 'yes,' you would have given me all three. Lord, I am a poor man, and am not able to take care of all three wives, so THAT'S why I said yes to Jennifer Lopez." 
The moral of this story is: Whenever a man lies, it is for a good and honorable reason, and for the benefit of others.

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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Oct 12 16:10:32 2003
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:10:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
In-Reply-To: <000001c390fe$eb88cd50$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEAEGCCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Usually the reason we use a function is to return a value. 
So
 X = myFunc("StrParm", intParm)
is the way to do so. Where x is the value returned by the function.

Bob Heygood




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 1:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question


When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 12 17:33:07 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:33:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
In-Reply-To: <00c401c39084$62ae51a0$0100a8c0@kost36>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEGICOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kostas:

It is good to hear that I am not the only one 'caught' by this issue. As the
world becomes more connected, individuals that have been able to master
systems in multiple language and not just the extended ASCII versions, will
become in higher demand. Unfortunately there are no books (that I am aware
of) and very few people who have either the time or deep-enough-pockets to
become skilled in this converging art form.

Is anyone out there that is a UTF-8 expert? ...there is plenty of
opportunities to pick the ball on new and abandoned projects.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 10:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets


HI Jim,
I am very happy hearing someone to describe a problem that I had some months
ago....
The difference between us was that I tried hardly  to do the same for a
client in both Greek and Arabic....
I will never again take any job like this....

Be well
Kostas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets


> Hi Gustav:
>
> <rant mode on>
> Eight months ago, I was brought into a project that required English and
> Japanese. In addition to this the client had kindly bought a full shopping
> cart and affiliate program written in Perl. My job was simply to design
the
> graphical front-end for a web site. The front end was fairly simple but
> attention had to be paid to the back-end.
>
> We had difficulty getting the ISP to upgrade to Perl version 5.x, so that
it
> would recognize encoding. The package was finally completed but for one
> outstanding set of issues. The designer of the Perl code did not use a SQL
> back-end but some kind of flat-base filing system. English worked fine but
> there was no way I could get the Japanese to work, period. None of the
Perl
> sorting or importing routines worked right, not without a complete
re-write.
>
> The current project is now on hold. We did finally move the project to a
PHP
> and SQL back-end arrangement. No-one I know can get the thing resurrected,
> it is so far over budget and I am simply out of time and patience.
>
> In the future, when someone comes to me with a UTF-8 project the price
will
> be triple and that will be after I have under gone a complete mental
> examination.
> <rant mode off>
>
> ...and that is my two cents worth.
> Jim
>
> PS That is a great article/site on Unicode and character sets. :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Joel Spolsky has some comments on PHP, internationalization, Unicode
> and character sets.
>
> /gustav
>
> ---
>
> From: Joel On Software <fogcreek at whatcounts.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:47:53 AM
> Subject: [JoelOnSoftware] Unicode and Character Sets
>
> When I discovered that the popular web development tool PHP
> has almost complete ignorance of character encoding issues,
> blithely using 8 bits for characters, making it darn near
> impossible to develop good international web applications,
> I thought, enough is enough.
>
> So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer
> working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters,
> character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm
> going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in
> a submarine. I swear I will.
>
>  The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
>  Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and
>  Character Sets (No Excuses!)
>
>  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
>
> Joel Spolsky
> spolsky at fogcreek.com
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct 13 01:16:49 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:16:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F974D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

The Windows Media player control plays MP3/WMA , but I stoppped using
that because I had some delay on it (using .WAV).
This when loading the file.
 
Erwin

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	Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
	
	
	hmmmm... I did not realize there is a problem. I will dig into
the code tomorrow and let you all know. it is a pretty old db and I have
since modified that part, but I rmember Playsound to work with mp3 as
well as wav. too late today.
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		...how did you manage that Lembit ...I get an error if I
spec anything other than a wav file?
		 
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			it does play MP3
			have not tried WMA however
			 
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				Does anyone know if the PlaySound API
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				I like to use this API for reasons of
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				And for not beeing a control that needs
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct 13 01:33:21 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:33:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0D5@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Here it is Arthr.
 Case conCmdRunCode
 If Nz(rst!Options) <> "" Then
    If InStr(1, rst!Options, ",") Then
            varResult = Application.Run(rst![Argument],
Mid(Nz(rst!Options), 1, InStr(1, rst!Options, ",") - 1),
Mid(Nz(rst!Options), InStr(1, rst!Options, ",") + 1))
        Else
            varResult = Application.Run(rst![Argument], Nz(rst!Options))
    End If
    Else
        varResult = Application.Run(rst![Argument])
End If


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Verzonden: zondag 12 oktober 2003 22:25
Aan: AccessD
Onderwerp: [AccessD] Switchboard question


When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 06:24:51 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:24:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a5353.081@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).  Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text, but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

TIA,
Cindy Spell  



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Mon Oct 13 06:32:57 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:32:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Format Field
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E002B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

No, I named the field EFRNo in the search form (where I would double-click).

I do not want to use the Format of the field because when you click in the
field the formatting disappears. Instead of EF-00011, when you click in the
field it shows 11. I want it to show the complete number with the EF-.
However, when I do use the Format of the field it works, the form displaying
all the data does open.

I am not sure what I did now... when I double click the failure number on
the search form, I get a box with EF & wanting me to enter a parameter & the
form opens blank.

I even tried adding the format to the query for the search form and using
that as the control source. EFRNo:
Format([tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")

What am I missing?

Virginia



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From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 5:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format Field


On 11 Oct 2003 at 10:33, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> I am having problems with a formatted field. The FailureReportNo is a
number
> field.
>  
> On a search form, I want to double-click on the failure report number and
> open another form that contains all the failure data.
>  
> On the search form I have the FailureReportNo with the Control Source:
> =Format([FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
>  
> On the double-click of the FailureReportNo I have:
>  
>     stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
> Me![FailureReportNo]
>     DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
>     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmFind"
>  
> The problem is the search form FailureReportNo field contains #Error & if
I
> double click on the field (to test it anyway) I get Type Mismatch. Do I
have
> my quotes wrong?
>  

My guess:
You created the textbox by dragggin it from the FieldView window andf 
then change dthe control source afterwards. 

As a result, you have the textbox named "FailureReportNo" and are 
using the field "FailureReportNo" in a function as the control source 
(causing a circular reference)

When you double click, it use the textbox name 
(Me![FailuyreReportNo]) to build the string stLinkCriteria which 
becomes "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=EF-1234"

Either - rename the textbox to txtFailureReportNo
or - reset the control source to  a simple "FailureReportNo" and 
format it using the format property of the textbox.


 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 13 06:36:46 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:36:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a5353.081@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
References: <sf8a5353.081@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <14818990256.20031013133646@cactus.dk>

Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).  Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav


From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 06:44:46 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:44:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a5803.096@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Thanks, Gustav!

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).  Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Oct 13 10:26:39 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:26:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
In-Reply-To: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEAEGCCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3919e$6f993e00$6501a8c0@rock>

This syntax also doesn't work within the Switchboard Manager.

A.

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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Switchboard question


Usually the reason we use a function is to return a value. 
So
 X = myFunc("StrParm", intParm)
is the way to do so. Where x is the value returned by the function.

Bob Heygood




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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 1:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question


When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 07:43:49 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:43:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 07:58:30 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:58:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a6948.080@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the change and I've been resisting....  



>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
Cynthia
If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text is a problem. You get ansers like:

1
10
11
12
2
20
200
21
3

and so on

I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Date: 13/10/03 11:54


Thanks, Gustav!

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text. The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Oct 13 08:21:43 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:21:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Learning ASP
Message-ID: <20722120.1066051303430.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

To all,
 
I would like to start getting into ASP, I have done very little HTML so really don?t know where to start.  We are going to transfer our main booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a back-end to an Intranet/Internet page.  What I am really after is a way to create a logon page that grants access via a user table, I think if someone could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. designing the logon page and connecting to the database to check the logins) I may be able to get a better understanding before we go to far.
 
Also does anyone know any good books for this, I am currently programming in VB/VBA on XP machines with a Windows 2000 server.
 
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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:21:43 +0200 (CEST)
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To all,
 
I would like to start getting into ASP, I have done very little HTML so really don?t know where to start.  We are going to transfer our main booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a back-end to an Intranet/Internet page.  What I am really after is a way to create a logon page that grants access via a user table, I think if someone could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. designing the logon page and connecting to the database to check the logins) I may be able to get a better understanding before we go to far.
 
Also does anyone know any good books for this, I am currently programming in VB/VBA on XP machines with a Windows 2000 server.
 
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Mon Oct 13 08:27:35 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:27:35 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D5A@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

<My database administrator wants me to make the change>??

tell your boss he needs a new DBA <grin>



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An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the change and I've been resisting....  



>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
Cynthia
If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text is a problem. You get ansers like:

1
10
11
12
2
20
200
21
3

and so on

I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Date: 13/10/03 11:54


Thanks, Gustav!

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text. The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct 13 08:33:50 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:33:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77AE@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

No question that numbers will sort faster than text. The CPU was designed to
handle numbers, a 32bit Long Integer is stored in a single register on the
CPU and it's value can very quickly be compare to another 32 bit long in
another register. The compare is all over in a single clock cycle at most.
With strings, each individual byte in the string has to be compared with the
corresponding byte in another string, and this process repeated for the
whole length of the strings. That involves a lot of shuffling of data around
in the cpu.

Lambert

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> From:	CYNTHIA SPELL [SMTP:CSPELL at jhuccp.org]
> Sent:	Monday, October 13, 2003 7:25 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit
> number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).
> Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm
> considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links
> to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other
> places.  Is there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data
> type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice
> between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster
> than text, but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> 
> TIA,
> Cindy Spell  
> 
> 
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 08:38:31 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:38:31 -0400
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a72ac.002@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I really don't mind making changes that make sense, but I wasn't winning this one and needed some outside advice.  Thanks again!


>>> Alun.Garraway at otto.de 10/13/03 09:27AM >>>
<My database administrator wants me to make the change>??

tell your boss he needs a new DBA <grin>



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Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the change and I've been resisting....  



>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
Cynthia
If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text is a problem. You get ansers like:

1
10
11
12
2
20
200
21
3

and so on

I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Date: 13/10/03 11:54


Thanks, Gustav!

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text. The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav

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From gray at utah.gov  Mon Oct 13 08:44:53 2003
From: gray at utah.gov (Gary Ray)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:44:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] OT Learning ASP
Message-ID: <sf8a5800.008@gwia2.state.ut.us>

Paul,
 
There are several issues to consider before you take this step:
 
1.  Are you the only one who will be doing web development for your
company?
2.  Are there existing web sites in ASP?
3.  Are you going to try to integrate your web logon with your network
ID's?
4.  Is MS Site Server available to you?
 
My personal suggestion would be that you skip ASP and go to ASP.NET. 
There are a number of compelling reasons for this, but ultimately it
depends on what your company will support.
 
As far as ASP classic books, my favorites were the WROX ASP series. 
You can skip Beginning ASP; go straight to Professional ASP.  I believe
there was also an  ASP databases book in the series.
 
Before you but the books try www.4guysfromrolla.com - the best ASP site
on the web.  Search their site for Authentication or Authorization to
find possible answers to your specific problem.
 
Gary Ray - Application Developer
Workforce Information Systems R & D
E-Mail gray at utah.gov 

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 10/13/03 07:21AM >>>

To all, I would like to start getting into ASP, I have done very little
HTML so really don't know where to start.  We are going to transfer our
main booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a
back-end to an Intranet/Internet page.  What I am really after is a way
to create a logon page that grants access via a user table, I think if
someone could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. designing the
logon page and connecting to the database to check the logins) I may be
able to get a better understanding before we go to far. Also does anyone
know any good books for this, I am currently programming in VB/VBA on XP
machines with a Windows 2000 server. Paul Hartland
 
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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Mon Oct 13 08:40:06 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:40:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <sf8a64f2.039@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I do and why is this happening?
 
Thanks for any help you can give.
 
Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 08:58:28 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a775b.052@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

This helps me a lot.  Thanks, Lambert!

>>> Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com 10/13/03 09:33AM >>>
No question that numbers will sort faster than text. The CPU was designed to
handle numbers, a 32bit Long Integer is stored in a single register on the
CPU and it's value can very quickly be compare to another 32 bit long in
another register. The compare is all over in a single clock cycle at most.
With strings, each individual byte in the string has to be compared with the
corresponding byte in another string, and this process repeated for the
whole length of the strings. That involves a lot of shuffling of data around
in the cpu.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	CYNTHIA SPELL [SMTP:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
> Sent:	Monday, October 13, 2003 7:25 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Subject:	[AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit
> number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).
> Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm
> considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links
> to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other
> places.  Is there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data
> type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice
> between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster
> than text, but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> 
> TIA,
> Cindy Spell  
> 
> 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Oct 13 09:08:40 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:08:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] OT Learning ASP
Message-ID: <846983.1066054120036.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

Thanks, I will look into this a bit more thoroughly now




Message date : Oct 13 2003, 03:01 PM 
>From : Gary Ray 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] OT Learning ASP 






Paul,





There are several issues to consider before you take this step:





1.  Are you the only one who will be doing web development for your 
company?


2.  Are there existing web sites in ASP?


3.  Are you going to try to integrate your web logon with your network 
ID's?


4.  Is MS Site Server available to you?





My personal suggestion would be that you skip ASP and go to ASP.NET.  
There are a number of compelling reasons for this, but ultimately it depends on 
what your company will support.





As far as ASP classic books, my favorites were the WROX ASP series.  
You can skip Beginning ASP; go straight to Professional ASP.  I believe 
there was also an  ASP databases book in the series.





Before you but the books try href="http://www.4guysfromrolla.com">www.4guysfromrolla.com - the best ASP 
site on the web.  Search their site for Authentication or Authorization to 
find possible answers to your specific problem.





Gary Ray - Application Developer
Workforce Information Systems R & 
D
E-Mail gray at utah.gov

>>> 
paul.hartland at fsmail.net 10/13/03 07:21AM >>>



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ASP, I have done very little HTML so really don?t know where to start.style="mso-spacerun: yes">  We are going to transfer our main 
booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a back-end to an 
Intranet/Internet page.  What I am 
really after is a way to create a logon page that grants access via a user 
table, I think if someone could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. 
designing the logon page and connecting to the database to check the logins) I 
may be able to get a better understanding before we go to 
far.


style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> 


style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Also does anyone know any good 
books for this, I am currently programming in VB/VBA on XP machines with a 
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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:15:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <1786887.1066054506692.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

Although I can't think how I resolved this issue in the past, I had it happen quite a few times.  What was happening was records we're being deleted thus leaving gaps in the autonumber field like so
100001
100003
and sometimes when the database was compacted, and a user tried to make a booking, it would use 100002 and would allow them to complete & save the booking, but then it would think that the next number in sequence was 100003 and get the same error as yourself.....I'll try and look how I resolved this
Paul Hartland




Message date : Oct 13 2003, 03:10 PM 
>From : Terri Jarus 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers 






My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, 
the records aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What 
should I do and why is this happening?





Thanks for any help you can give.





Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
href="mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com">jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 09:18:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:18:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a6948.080@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAENOELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it alone), you
might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it. There may be
something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every now nad then
this can happen :o)

JB

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> change and I've been resisting....
>
>
>
> >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> Cynthia
> If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> is a problem. You get ansers like:
>
> 1
> 10
> 11
> 12
> 2
> 20
> 200
> 21
> 3
>
> and so on
>
> I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> Date: 13/10/03 11:54
>
>
> Thanks, Gustav!
>
> >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> Hi CYNTHIA
>
> > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
>
> He did.
>
> With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> interesting tasks!
>
> /gustav
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 09:42:15 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.  Even if all that is true, I don't see the need to change what's there already.  And, again, the sort will be faster using a number data type.


>>> john at winhaven.net 10/13/03 10:18AM >>>
Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it alone), you
might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it. There may be
something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every now nad then
this can happen :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> change and I've been resisting....
>
>
>
> >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> Cynthia
> If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> is a problem. You get ansers like:
>
> 1
> 10
> 11
> 12
> 2
> 20
> 200
> 21
> 3
>
> and so on
>
> I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> Date: 13/10/03 11:54
>
>
> Thanks, Gustav!
>
> >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> Hi CYNTHIA
>
> > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
>
> He did.
>
> With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> interesting tasks!
>
> /gustav
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 13 09:54:07 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:54:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
References: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <19130831132.20031013165407@cactus.dk>

Hi CYNTHIA

You have certainly not heard any of that from this list.

/gustav


> ..  What I've heard so far is that logic tells you that if you don't
> need to calculate, you should use text. And that a number data type
> requires additional resources in order for the field to have the
> ability to do the calculating. .. 


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct 13 10:14:36 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:14:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9753@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I believe thats a bug that has been solved in x or z service pack...

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
	Verzonden: maandag 13 oktober 2003 16:15
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating
Duplicate Numbers
	
	

	Although I can't think how I resolved this issue in the past, I
had it happen quite a few times.  What was happening was records we're
being deleted thus leaving gaps in the autonumber field like so

	100001

	100003

	and sometimes when the database was compacted, and a user tried
to make a booking, it would use 100002 and would allow them to complete
& save the booking, but then it would think that the next number in
sequence was 100003 and get the same error as yourself.....I'll try and
look how I resolved this

	Paul Hartland
	
	
	
	

		Message date : Oct 13 2003, 03:10 PM 
		From : Terri Jarus 
		To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Copy to : 
		Subject : [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating
Duplicate Numbers 
		
		
		
		


		My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, 
		the records aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs
to be unique.  What 
		should I do and why is this happening?

		 

		Thanks for any help you can give.

		 

		Terri Jarus
		Director, Contract Support Services
		
	
href="mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com">jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
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From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 10:27:19 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:27:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
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Message-ID: <web-6276956@rems10.cluster1.charter.net>

That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the 
old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes 
everything text unless an actual calculation must be 
performed, even when that doesn't necessarily make sense 
in context. I believe that if its a number it should be 
treated as a number unless there is a very compelling 
reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and 
probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells 
you that if the data is numeric you should use a number 
data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a 
number field needing "additional resources", especially 
for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some 
number types may take additional storage space as compared 
to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and 
that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working 
under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't 
think of a resource reason.

Ron

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
  CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
>I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is 
>that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, 
>you should use text.  And that a number data type 
>requires additional resources in order for the field to 
>have the ability to do the calculating.  

From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 13 10:32:15 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:32:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: <web-6276956@rems10.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <01dd01c3919f$7c67c970$220110ac@SUSANONE>

What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes
> everything text unless an actual calculation must be
> performed, even when that doesn't necessarily make sense
> in context. I believe that if its a number it should be
> treated as a number unless there is a very compelling
> reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate,
> >you should use text.  And that a number data type
> >requires additional resources in order for the field to
> >have the ability to do the calculating.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 10:37:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:37:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed?  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers


My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
do and why is this happening?
 
Thanks for any help you can give.
 
Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
314-542-1902

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 13 10:39:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:39:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: <web-6276956@rems10.cluster1.charter.net>
	<01dd01c3919f$7c67c970$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <00f001c391a0$226ab800$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...but postal codes are not numeric per se a la Canada, etc ...granted the
US five digit zips are but who has just a US db anymore?

William Hindman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> treating such an entry as a number?
>
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes
> > everything text unless an actual calculation must be
> > performed, even when that doesn't necessarily make sense
> > in context. I believe that if its a number it should be
> > treated as a number unless there is a very compelling
> > reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate,
> > >you should use text.  And that a number data type
> > >requires additional resources in order for the field to
> > >have the ability to do the calculating.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 10:45:30 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:45:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3DC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Arthur,

You can do it if you modify the structure of the Switchboard Items
table, but that means you can no longer use the Switchboard Manager
add-in to modify your switchboard in that particular database.  If you
add a Param field to the table,  you can use the following RunCode case
to make use of that parameter:

        ' Run code.
        Case conCmdRunCode
          If IsNull(rst![Param]) Then
            Application.Run rst![Argument]
          Else
            Application.Run rst![Argument], rst![Param]
          End If

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Switchboard question


This syntax also doesn't work within the Switchboard Manager.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Switchboard question


Usually the reason we use a function is to return a value. 
So
 X = myFunc("StrParm", intParm)
is the way to do so. Where x is the value returned by the function.

Bob Heygood




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 1:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question


When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 10:47:11 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access
Message-ID: <20031013154711.39275.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a request where the user has to have an image embedded within his email that he sends out using MS Access. He dose not want a linked file, but an image. 

My first choice was to use the outlook object and the .HTMLBody = blah blah blah method. However, if I use the <img> tag within the body, it shows at some destinations as an image and some as html code. I would assume this is because of the settings of the email of the receiver. 

Is there another way to programmatically embed an image into an email?



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 10:47:57 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Mon Oct 13 10:49:10 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:49:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate
	Numbers
Message-ID: <sf8a8336.055@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack I'm using?
 
Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
 
To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
 
Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
314-542-1902

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed?  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers


My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
do and why is this happening?

Thanks for any help you can give.

Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com 
314-542-1902

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 13 10:55:54 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:55:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: 	<web-6276956@rems10.cluster1.charter.net><01dd01c3919f$7c67c970$220110ac@SUSANONE>
	<00f001c391a0$226ab800$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <003e01c391a2$7f704720$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Do you think you're arguing with me? I think you're agreeing with me. :)

Susan H.


> ...but postal codes are not numeric per se a la Canada, etc ...granted the
> US five digit zips are but who has just a US db anymore?
>
> > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > treating such an entry as a number?
> >
> > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> >
> > Susan H.



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Oct 13 10:58:38 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:58:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F974D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <0e9801c391a2$e740f7f0$0200a8c0@S856>

BerichtI found that I have changed it to mci, but I remember at the beginning I had used Playsound, jsut cnnot find whether I have the old code still somewhere.
anyway, if youare interested, here is the module with MCI.
--------------------------------------------
Public Declare Function mciSendString Lib "winmm.dll" Alias "mciSendStringA" (ByVal _
    lpszCommand As String, ByVal lpszReturnString As String, ByVal cchReturnLength _
    As Long, ByVal hwndCallback As Long) As Long
Public Declare Function mciGetErrorString Lib "winmm.dll" Alias "mciGetErrorStringA" (ByVal _
    fdwError As Long, ByVal lpszErrorText As String, ByVal cchErrorText As Long) As Long

Public Function DisplayError(ByVal errcode As Long)
    ' This subroutine displays a dialog box with the text of the MCI error.  There's
    ' no reason to use the MessageBox API function; VB's MsgBox function will suffice.
    Dim errstr As String  ' MCI error message text
    Dim retval As Long    ' return value
    
    ' Get a string explaining the MCI error.
    errstr = Space(128)
    retval = mciGetErrorString(errcode, errstr, Len(errstr))
    ' Remove the terminating null and empty space at the end.
    errstr = Left(errstr, InStr(errstr, vbNullChar) - 1)
    ' Display a simple error message box.
    retval = MsgBox(errstr, vbOKOnly Or vbCritical)
End Function

Public Function lsPlayMusic(strFilePath As String) As Boolean
    ' Open the file "C:\Music\MusicPlaying.mid" for later use in the example.
    ' Give it an alias of "MusicPlaying" so we don't need to refer to the filename again.
    ' Begin playback of the MIDI file when this button is pressed.
    Dim errcode As Long  ' MCI error code
    Dim strOpen As String
    Debug.Print strFilePath
    If strFilePath <> "" Then
        strOpen = "open """ & strFilePath & """ alias MusicPlaying"
    Else
        Exit Function
    End If
    errcode = mciSendString(strOpen, "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then DisplayError errcode
    errcode = mciSendString("play MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then
        lsPlayMusic = False
        'DisplayError errcode
    Else
        lsPlayMusic = True
    End If
End Function

Public Function lsPlayMusicToEnd(strFilePath As String) As Boolean
    ' Open the file.
    ' Give it an alias of "MusicPlaying" so we don't need to refer to the filename again.
    Dim errcode As Long  ' MCI error code
    Dim strOpen As String
    If strFilePath <> "" Then
        strOpen = "open """ & strFilePath & """ alias MusicPlaying"
    Else
        Exit Function
    End If
    errcode = mciSendString(strOpen, "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then DisplayError errcode
    ' Begin playback of the file. The 'wait' keyword causes MCIsendString to return after
    ' the playback is finished
    errcode = mciSendString("play MusicPlaying wait", "", 0, 0)
    ' Stop playback of the file.
    errcode = mciSendString("stop MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
    ' Close the file.  This is important, because the
    ' driver can only work with one file at a time.  There's no need to check
    ' for an error here, since we're just closing the file.
    errcode = mciSendString("close MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then DisplayError errcode
End Function


Public Function lsStopMusic() As Boolean
    ' Stop playback of the file.
    Dim errcode As Long  ' MCI error code
    errcode = mciSendString("stop MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then
        lsStopMusic = False
        'DisplayError errcode
    Else
        lsStopMusic = True
    End If
    ' Close the file.  This is important, because the
    ' driver can only work with one file at a time.  There's no need to check
    ' for an error here, since we're just closing the file.
    errcode = mciSendString("close MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
End Function


Public Function lsOpenFileForMusic()
    lsOpenFileForMusic = GetFilePath(, "|mp3 Files|*.mp3|WAV Files|*.wav")
End Function

--------------------------------------------
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 


  The Windows Media player control plays MP3/WMA , but I stoppped using that because I had some delay on it (using .WAV).
  This when loading the file.

  Erwin
    hmmmm... I did not realize there is a problem. I will dig into the code tomorrow and let you all know. it is a pretty old db and I have since modified that part, but I rmember Playsound to work with mp3 as well as wav. too late today.
    Lembit

    Lembit Soobik

      ----- Original Message ----- 


      ...how did you manage that Lembit ...I get an error if I spec anything other than a wav file?

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 11:02:13 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:02:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMENPELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Use a number type rather than a text type if the number was used in
calculations BUT it also sorts cleaner than a text field of numbers.
1
2
3
10
20
100
200..

The native sorting of a text field containing numbers sorts it as text not
numbers:
1
10
100
2
20
200
3...

A number type does not require additional processing, a text type would.
Without getting technical :o?
When defined as a Long Integer 123,456 would be stored as one unit.
When defined as text 123,456, would be stored as six individual units that
have no idea what the next units means until combined with a function that
converts it to a number (one unit) and then processed.

If a number is actually a label and not a number then you can choose either
data type but beware of the above limitations. Also down the if the label
may include text then you must choose a text type. For instance 100a, 100b.

I generally use Long Number for items that are indicating a value and Text
for items that are identifying a value. For instance age indicates a value -
phone#s identify a value. You wouldn't add, average or multiple a set of
phone numbers but you might wish to do that with age.

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:42 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic
> tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use
> text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources
> in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
>  Even if all that is true, I don't see the need to change what's
> there already.  And, again, the sort will be faster using a
> number data type.
>
>
> >>> john at winhaven.net 10/13/03 10:18AM >>>
> Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it
> alone), you
> might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it. There may be
> something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every
> now nad then
> this can happen :o)
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> > looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> > change and I've been resisting....
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> > Cynthia
> > If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> > point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> > hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> > is a problem. You get ansers like:
> >
> > 1
> > 10
> > 11
> > 12
> > 2
> > 20
> > 200
> > 21
> > 3
> >
> > and so on
> >
> > I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > Date: 13/10/03 11:54
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Gustav!
> >
> > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> > Hi CYNTHIA
> >
> > > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> > a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> > (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> > The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> > I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> > instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> > text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> >
> > He did.
> >
> > With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> > interesting tasks!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Mon Oct 13 11:13:37 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:13:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D5885@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

Sorting is not really an issue, except for the time to sort. To sort
variable length numerical text cleanly, sort it formatted to the maximum
number of digits.  For an example, variable length serial numbers of up to
eight digits using Format(SN,"00000000") would all sort in proper numerical
order.  

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 12:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Use a number type rather than a text type if the number was used in
calculations BUT it also sorts cleaner than a text field of numbers.
1
2
3
10
20
100
200..

The native sorting of a text field containing numbers sorts it as text not
numbers:
1
10
100
2
20
200
3...

A number type does not require additional processing, a text type would.
Without getting technical :o?
When defined as a Long Integer 123,456 would be stored as one unit.
When defined as text 123,456, would be stored as six individual units that
have no idea what the next units means until combined with a function that
converts it to a number (one unit) and then processed.

If a number is actually a label and not a number then you can choose either
data type but beware of the above limitations. Also down the if the label
may include text then you must choose a text type. For instance 100a, 100b.

I generally use Long Number for items that are indicating a value and Text
for items that are identifying a value. For instance age indicates a value -
phone#s identify a value. You wouldn't add, average or multiple a set of
phone numbers but you might wish to do that with age.

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:42 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic
> tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use
> text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources
> in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
>  Even if all that is true, I don't see the need to change what's
> there already.  And, again, the sort will be faster using a
> number data type.
>
>
> >>> john at winhaven.net 10/13/03 10:18AM >>>
> Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it
> alone), you
> might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it. There may be
> something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every
> now nad then
> this can happen :o)
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> > looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> > change and I've been resisting....
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> > Cynthia
> > If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> > point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> > hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> > is a problem. You get ansers like:
> >
> > 1
> > 10
> > 11
> > 12
> > 2
> > 20
> > 200
> > 21
> > 3
> >
> > and so on
> >
> > I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > Date: 13/10/03 11:54
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Gustav!
> >
> > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> > Hi CYNTHIA
> >
> > > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> > a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> > (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> > The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> > I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> > instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> > text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> >
> > He did.
> >
> > With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> > interesting tasks!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
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From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 11:20:57 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:20:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <web-21373056@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>

Whoa, whoa, wait a second! I didn't mean to imply that 
there are never cases where storing a number as text 
doesn't make sense, in fact I said exactly that in my 
message (granted, in just one line, but sheesh!). What you 
cite are "compelling reasons" to store a number as text. 
But when there is no compelling reason to store a numeric 
value as text it should be stored as a number, I believe 
that and have far fewer problems by following that 
strategy. 

Ron


On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
  "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and 
>for telephone
>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use 
>numbers for some
>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the 
>argument comes from
>in the first place, that and the old approach of 
>squeezing everything
>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage 
>bytes.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would 
>you have for
>treating such an entry as a number?
>
>I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive 
>and with us.
>
>Susan H.

From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Oct 13 11:25:02 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:25:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE07A@TAPPEEXCH01>

I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an excellent article
on Unicode and character encoding:
 
 <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html> The Absolute Minimum
Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and
Character Sets (No Excuses!)

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 11:33:51 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:33:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312373@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Consider yourself agreed with! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Whoa, whoa, wait a second! I didn't mean to imply that 
there are never cases where storing a number as text 
doesn't make sense, in fact I said exactly that in my 
message (granted, in just one line, but sheesh!). What you 
cite are "compelling reasons" to store a number as text. 
But when there is no compelling reason to store a numeric 
value as text it should be stored as a number, I believe 
that and have far fewer problems by following that 
strategy. 

Ron


On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
  "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and
>for telephone
>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use 
>numbers for some
>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the 
>argument comes from
>in the first place, that and the old approach of 
>squeezing everything
>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage 
>bytes.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would
>you have for
>treating such an entry as a number?
>
>I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive
>and with us.
>
>Susan H.
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Oct 13 12:06:26 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:06:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306488C7@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF27@ADGSERVER>

Lonnie,
I don't have an answer for you.  But if a user's e-mail is not set up to
receive HTML or RTF, then no matter what method you use, they will not be
able to see an inline image.  It would have to be an attachment.
 
Only thing that I can think of would be to have the users "opt in" to a
particular version.  That is, they could choose the HTML version with the
inline images or text with an image attachment.
 
HTH,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:47 AM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; ms_access; AccessD
solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access


 
I have a request where the user has to have an image embedded within his
email that he sends out using MS Access. He dose not want a linked file, but
an image. 

My first choice was to use the outlook object and the .HTMLBody = blah blah
blah method. However, if I use the <img> tag within the body, it shows at
some destinations as an image and some as html code. I would assume this is
because of the settings of the email of the receiver. 

Is there another way to programmatically embed an image into an email?



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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 13 12:16:57 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:16:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310131700.h9DH0Ie28779@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013121233.026b84c8@pop3.highstream.net>

List,

Simple rule...

If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.

All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
Everything will be sorted correctly.

The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
>in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
>treating such an entry as a number?
>
>I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 12:19:14 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:19:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D5885@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEMDFCAA.john@winhaven.net>

Yes, but then you have to find the longest string first and feed it to the
format function and you have the issue of leading zeros or (whatever), etc.

I realize there are many reasons to type a field one way or the other and
there are always gray areas...
therefore I'll revise my previous statement - its cleaner (and easier) to
sort your data if you first properly type your data fields. In general use a
number type for items that indicate a numeric value and a text type for
items that just happen to include numbers.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brock,
> Christian T, HRC-Alexandria
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:14 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Sorting is not really an issue, except for the time to sort. To sort
> variable length numerical text cleanly, sort it formatted to the maximum
> number of digits.  For an example, variable length serial numbers of up to
> eight digits using Format(SN,"00000000") would all sort in proper
> numerical
> order.
>
> Christian Brock
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 12:02
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Use a number type rather than a text type if the number was used in
> calculations BUT it also sorts cleaner than a text field of numbers.
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 10
> 20
> 100
> 200..
>
> The native sorting of a text field containing numbers sorts it as text not
> numbers:
> 1
> 10
> 100
> 2
> 20
> 200
> 3...
>
> A number type does not require additional processing, a text type would.
> Without getting technical :o?
> When defined as a Long Integer 123,456 would be stored as one unit.
> When defined as text 123,456, would be stored as six individual units that
> have no idea what the next units means until combined with a function that
> converts it to a number (one unit) and then processed.
>
> If a number is actually a label and not a number then you can
> choose either
> data type but beware of the above limitations. Also down the if the label
> may include text then you must choose a text type. For instance
> 100a, 100b.
>
> I generally use Long Number for items that are indicating a value and Text
> for items that are identifying a value. For instance age
> indicates a value -
> phone#s identify a value. You wouldn't add, average or multiple a set of
> phone numbers but you might wish to do that with age.
>
> HTH
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:42 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic
> > tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use
> > text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources
> > in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
> >  Even if all that is true, I don't see the need to change what's
> > there already.  And, again, the sort will be faster using a
> > number data type.
> >
> >
> > >>> john at winhaven.net 10/13/03 10:18AM >>>
> > Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it
> > alone), you
> > might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it.
> There may be
> > something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every
> > now nad then
> > this can happen :o)
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> CYNTHIA SPELL
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> > > looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> > > change and I've been resisting....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> > > Cynthia
> > > If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> > > point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> > > hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> > > is a problem. You get ansers like:
> > >
> > > 1
> > > 10
> > > 11
> > > 12
> > > 2
> > > 20
> > > 200
> > > 21
> > > 3
> > >
> > > and so on
> > >
> > > I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave
> well alone.
> > > --
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --------- Original Message --------
> > > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > Date: 13/10/03 11:54
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Gustav!
> > >
> > > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> > > Hi CYNTHIA
> > >
> > > > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> > > a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> > > (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > > > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> > > The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> > > I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > > > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> > > instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> > > text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > > > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> > >
> > > He did.
> > >
> > > With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> > > interesting tasks!
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 12:26:41 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:26:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF27@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <20031013172641.77583.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com>



Thanks Bobby, I just wanted to check any other options before replying with such.



Bobby Heid <bheid at appdevgrp.com> wrote: Lonnie,
I don't have an answer for you.  But if a user's e-mail is not set up to receive HTML or RTF, then no matter what method you use, they will not be able to see an inline image.  It would have to be an attachment.
 
Only thing that I can think of would be to have the users "opt in" to a particular version.  That is, they could choose the HTML version with the inline images or text with an image attachment.
 
HTH,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:47 AM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; ms_access; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access


I have a request where the user has to have an image embedded within his email that he sends out using MS Access. He dose not want a linked file, but an image. 

My first choice was to use the outlook object and the .HTMLBody = blah blah blah method. However, if I use the <img> tag within the body, it shows at some destinations as an image and some as html code. I would assume this is because of the settings of the email of the receiver. 

Is there another way to programmatically embed an image into an email?



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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 13:06:07 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:06:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013121233.026b84c8@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEOBELAA.john@winhaven.net>

How do you indicate to pad with a space(s) in Format()?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
> Stewart
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:17 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> Simple rule...
> 
> If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
> except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.
> 
> All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
> if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
> properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
> Everything will be sorted correctly.
> 
> The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
> the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.
> 
> Robert
> 
> At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
> >From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID:
> >         
> <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> >numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> >kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> >in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> >into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> >
> >Charlotte Foust
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> >What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> >treating such an entry as a number?
> >
> >I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> >
> >Susan H.
> >
> >
> > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > think of a resource reason.
> > >
> > > Ron
> 
> 
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> 


From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 13:16:19 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:16:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <SEA1-F44TqusAIaTDL400009899@hotmail.com>

I need to build a report that uses a table for grouping criteria.  The table 
has two fields, Area and CenterRange.  So, Area might be ESKIND LIBRARY and 
the CenterRange is between "108694*" and "108699*".  I need my report to 
Group by each area and use the CenterRange as the criteria. I'm using a 
DLookup but everything I'm trying fails.  Can someone give me a direction on 
this?

Thanks,
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct 13 13:23:31 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:23:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77BF@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Format *always* pads with one space, to get more just include spaces in the
format string, thus...

format(2,"0") will display (without the quotes) " 2"
format(2," 0") will display "  2"

if you don't want any padding use Cstr instead of Format.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John B. [SMTP:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent:	Monday, October 13, 2003 2:06 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> 
> How do you indicate to pad with a space(s) in Format()?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
> > Stewart
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:17 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > Simple rule...
> > 
> > If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
> > except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.
> > 
> > All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
> > if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
> > properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
> > Everything will be sorted correctly.
> > 
> > The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
> > the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
> > >From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >         
> > <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > >Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> > >numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> > >kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > >in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > >into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > >
> > >Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > >What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > >treating such an entry as a number?
> > >
> > >I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > >
> > >Susan H.
> > >
> > >
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 13 14:08:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:08:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate	Numbers
References: <sf8a8336.055@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <3F8AF822.7060106@shaw.ca>

You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL 
hell database
but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer 
and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1

So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010

Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File 
Name           Version        Size
   -----------------------------------------
   Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
   Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
   Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
   Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
   Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
   Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
   Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
   Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
   Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
   Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
   Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
   Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
   Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
   Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
   Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
   Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
   Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749

Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
of msjet40.dll directly
You can have the code if you want to update it.

 Case 9 'Access 2000
        Select Case CStr(VerNum)
        Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
        Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
        Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
        Case Else
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
        End Select
    Case Else
        VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
    End Select

NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft 
Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5 
(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).

Terri Jarus wrote:

> I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack 
> I'm using?
>  
> Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my 
> computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
>  
> To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
> new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
> field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
> users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
>  
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> 314-542-1902
>
> >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed? 
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
>
>
> My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> do and why is this happening?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> 314-542-1902
>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 14:10:57 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <SEA1-F44TqusAIaTDL400009899@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031013191057.13041.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>




Use the report's Sorting and Grouping properties to do the "Grouping by Area". 

Create a query as the underlying record source for the report and set the prompts for the criteria in there like below:

Between "*" & [What is the start of the range?] & "*" AND  "*" & [What is the end of the range?] & "*" 



Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote: I need to build a report that uses a table for grouping criteria. The table 
has two fields, Area and CenterRange. So, Area might be ESKIND LIBRARY and 
the CenterRange is between "108694*" and "108699*". I need my report to 
Group by each area and use the CenterRange as the criteria. I'm using a 
DLookup but everything I'm trying fails. Can someone give me a direction on 
this?

Thanks,
Gina

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From backroad at idir.net  Mon Oct 13 14:26:02 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:26:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
Message-ID: <001901c391bf$d948bdf0$6501a8c0@Julie>

Hello all,

We'll be modifying an app built for U.S. customers to be used in other countries (primarily Europe and Australia, but possibly others as well).  I'm aware of date issues (both displayed and for SQL), currency issues, and address / phone formatting issues.

Currently considering the impact to reports... in the U.S. the standard paper size is 8.5" x 11" (letter size).  To get a sense of how many variations there are, please let me know your country and the size of standard paper used there.

Also, if you have such information at your fingertips, I'd be interested in info about window envelopes as well - not custom sizes, just the kind anyone could buy in an office supply store.

Thanks very much!

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 14:26:12 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <Sea1-F13883alUohIi600009aa2@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the solution, but I need one report that groups all of my records 
by Area, and there are 50 Areas.  Using your solution I would prompt the 
user for a particular CenterRange and the report would deliver the 
information for that Area.  I'm trying to set up the grouping in the 
report's code so I can avoid 50 queries or 50 reports/subreports.  Does that 
explain the issue more clearly?

Thanks,
Gina


Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:

Use the report's Sorting and Grouping properties to do the "Grouping by 
Area".

Create a query as the underlying record source for the report and set the 
prompts for the criteria in there like below:

Between "*" & [What is the start of the range?] & "*" AND  "*" & [What is 
the end of the range?] & "*"

Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote:
I need to build a report that uses a table for grouping criteria. The table
has two fields, Area and CenterRange. So, Area might be ESKIND LIBRARY and
the CenterRange is between "108694*" and "108699*". I need my report to
Group by each area and use the CenterRange as the criteria. I'm using a
DLookup but everything I'm trying fails. Can someone give me a direction on
this?

Thanks,
Gina

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 13 14:08:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:08:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate	Numbers
References: <sf8a8336.055@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <3F8AF822.7060106@shaw.ca>

You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL 
hell database
but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer 
and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1

So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010

Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File 
Name           Version        Size
   -----------------------------------------
   Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
   Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
   Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
   Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
   Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
   Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
   Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
   Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
   Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
   Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
   Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
   Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
   Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
   Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
   Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
   Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
   Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749

Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
of msjet40.dll directly
You can have the code if you want to update it.

 Case 9 'Access 2000
        Select Case CStr(VerNum)
        Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
        Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
        Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
        Case Else
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
        End Select
    Case Else
        VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
    End Select

NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft 
Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5 
(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).

Terri Jarus wrote:

> I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack 
> I'm using?
>  
> Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my 
> computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
>  
> To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
> new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
> field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
> users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
>  
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> 314-542-1902
>
> >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed? 
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
>
>
> My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> do and why is this happening?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> 314-542-1902
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
> it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof.
>
> Copyright 2003 AmeriNet 1nc.
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 13 14:38:04 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:38:04 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your  country?
In-Reply-To: <001901c391bf$d948bdf0$6501a8c0@Julie>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031014083337.00b3c078@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Julie,

New Zealand uses A4 size (21 cm x 29.7 cm which approx = 8.27" x 11.69').

Envelopes 22.6 cm x 11.5 cm (8.9" x 4.53")

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205

At 13/10/2003, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>We'll be modifying an app built for U.S. customers to be used in other 
>countries (primarily Europe and Australia, but possibly others as 
>well).  I'm aware of date issues (both displayed and for SQL), currency 
>issues, and address / phone formatting issues.
>
>Currently considering the impact to reports... in the U.S. the standard 
>paper size is 8.5" x 11" (letter size).  To get a sense of how many 
>variations there are, please let me know your country and the size of 
>standard paper used there.
>
>Also, if you have such information at your fingertips, I'd be interested 
>in info about window envelopes as well - not custom sizes, just the kind 
>anyone could buy in an office supply store.
>
>Thanks very much!
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Julie Schwalm
>Backroads Data
><http://www.backroadsdata.com>www.backroadsdata.com
>785-594-6807
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 14:45:51 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:45:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312377@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You'll find that most of the world (except the US) uses A4 as its
standard paper.  We offer reports formatted for legal, letter or A4.  If
they choose an A4 paper size, it applies to all reports in the
application.  Otherwise, they're allowed to switch between letter and
legal.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Backroads Data [mailto:backroad at idir.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:26 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?


Hello all,
 
We'll be modifying an app built for U.S. customers to be used in other
countries (primarily Europe and Australia, but possibly others as well).
I'm aware of date issues (both displayed and for SQL), currency issues,
and address / phone formatting issues.
 
Currently considering the impact to reports... in the U.S. the standard
paper size is 8.5" x 11" (letter size).  To get a sense of how many
variations there are, please let me know your country and the size of
standard paper used there.
 
Also, if you have such information at your fingertips, I'd be interested
in info about window envelopes as well - not custom sizes, just the kind
anyone could buy in an office supply store.
 
Thanks very much!
 
Best Regards,
 
Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807

From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 14:51:03 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:51:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77BF@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEOCELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks,
I couldn't (and still can't) find that anywhere in the A97 help.

Problem is if padded with spaces it doesn't sort numerically correct as it
does when padding with 0s.
Cstr sorts the same as the text field.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
> Lambert
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:24 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
>
>
> Format *always* pads with one space, to get more just include
> spaces in the
> format string, thus...
>
> format(2,"0") will display (without the quotes) " 2"
> format(2," 0") will display "  2"
>
> if you don't want any padding use Cstr instead of Format.
>
> Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	John B. [SMTP:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent:	Monday, October 13, 2003 2:06 PM
> > To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> >
> > How do you indicate to pad with a space(s) in Format()?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
> > > Stewart
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:17 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > List,
> > >
> > > Simple rule...
> > >
> > > If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
> > > except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.
> > >
> > > All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
> > > if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
> > > properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
> > > Everything will be sorted correctly.
> > >
> > > The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
> > > the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
> > > >From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > >         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Message-ID:
> > > >
> > > <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
> > > >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> > > >
> > > >Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and
> for telephone
> > > >numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use
> numbers for some
> > > >kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument
> comes from
> > > >in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > >into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > >
> > > >Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > > >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > >treating such an entry as a number?
> > > >
> > > >I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive
> and with us.
> > > >
> > > >Susan H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even
> when that
> > > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > >
> > >
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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Mon Oct 13 14:59:30 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating
	Duplicate	Numbers
Message-ID: <sf8abddc.085@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when I go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need any updates relative to Jet??
 
I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
 
 
Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com 
314-542-1902

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL 
hell database
but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer 
and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1 

So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010 

Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File 
Name           Version        Size
   -----------------------------------------
   Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
   Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
   Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
   Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
   Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
   Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
   Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
   Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
   Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
   Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
   Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
   Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
   Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
   Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
   Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
   Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
   Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749

Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
of msjet40.dll directly
You can have the code if you want to update it.

Case 9 'Access 2000
        Select Case CStr(VerNum)
        Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
        Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
        Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
        Case Else
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
        End Select
    Case Else
        VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
    End Select

NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft 
Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5 
(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).

Terri Jarus wrote:

> I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack 
> I'm using?
>  
> Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my 
> computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
>  
> To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
> new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
> field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
> users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
>  
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> 314-542-1902
>
> >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed? 
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
>
>
> My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> do and why is this happening?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com 
> 314-542-1902
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
> it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof.
>
> Copyright 2003 AmeriNet 1nc.
>
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>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 15:00:16 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:00:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312377@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002b01c391c4$9ee8cba0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Yea, UK's A4.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 13 October 2003 20:46
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in 
> your country?
> 
> 
> You'll find that most of the world (except the US) uses A4 as 
> its standard paper.  We offer reports formatted for legal, 
> letter or A4.  If they choose an A4 paper size, it applies to 
> all reports in the application.  Otherwise, they're allowed 
> to switch between letter and legal.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Backroads Data [mailto:backroad at idir.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
> 
> 
> Hello all,
>  
> We'll be modifying an app built for U.S. customers to be used 
> in other countries (primarily Europe and Australia, but 
> possibly others as well). I'm aware of date issues (both 
> displayed and for SQL), currency issues, and address / phone 
> formatting issues.
>  
> Currently considering the impact to reports... in the U.S. 
> the standard paper size is 8.5" x 11" (letter size).  To get 
> a sense of how many variations there are, please let me know 
> your country and the size of standard paper used there.
>  
> Also, if you have such information at your fingertips, I'd be 
> interested in info about window envelopes as well - not 
> custom sizes, just the kind anyone could buy in an office 
> supply store.
>  
> Thanks very much!
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Julie Schwalm
> Backroads Data
> www.backroadsdata.com
> 785-594-6807
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 13 15:11:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:11:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate	Numbers
References: <sf8abddc.085@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <01c001c391c6$3f5fc920$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...you have to go to the Office Update site to get the Jet updates ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Terri Jarus 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers


  So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when I go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need any updates relative to Jet??

  I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.


  Terri Jarus
  Director, Contract Support Services
  jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
  314-542-1902

  >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
  You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL 
  hell database
  but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer 
  and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers

  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1

  So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.

  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010

  Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
  The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File 
  Name           Version        Size
     -----------------------------------------
     Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
     Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
     Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
     Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
     Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
     Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
     Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
     Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
     Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
     Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
     Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
     Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
     Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
     Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
     Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
     Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
     Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
     Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
     Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749

  Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
  of msjet40.dll directly
  You can have the code if you want to update it.

  Case 9 'Access 2000
          Select Case CStr(VerNum)
          Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
              VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
          Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
              VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
          Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
              VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
          Case Else
              VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
          End Select
      Case Else
          VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
      End Select

  NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft 
  Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5 
  (SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).

  Terri Jarus wrote:

  > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack 
  > I'm using?
  >  
  > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my 
  > computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
  >  
  > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
  > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
  > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
  > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
  >  
  > Terri Jarus
  > Director, Contract Support Services
  > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
  > 314-542-1902
  >
  > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
  > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
  > autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
  > That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
  > another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
  > Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed? 
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
  > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
  > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
  > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
  >
  >
  > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
  > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
  > do and why is this happening?
  >
  > Thanks for any help you can give.
  >
  > Terri Jarus
  > Director, Contract Support Services
  > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
  > 314-542-1902
  >
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:31:59 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:31:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <Sea2-F21jAqodwCIfmN0001930d@hotmail.com>

You can use a database.execute "Insert Into..."  to set the autonumber field 
to the next valid autonumber or just open a table recordset and .addnew 
setting the autonumber field to the next desired number.  That should reset 
the autonumber again.  Failing that, I'd copy the table with data to a new 
table, rename the old table and the copy to the old name and change any 
required relationships as required.  When the new table is created, it 
should properly reset the autonumber again.

Hen


>From: "Terri Jarus" <jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate	Numbers
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0500
>
>So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when I 
>go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the 
>http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need any 
>updates relative to Jet??
>
>I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
>
>
>Terri Jarus
>Director, Contract Support Services
>jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
>314-542-1902
>
> >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
>You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL
>hell database
>but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer
>and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1
>
>So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010
>
>Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
>The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File
>Name           Version        Size
>    -----------------------------------------
>    Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
>    Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
>    Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
>    Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
>    Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
>    Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
>    Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
>    Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
>    Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
>    Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
>    Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
>    Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
>    Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
>    Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
>    Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
>    Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
>    Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749
>
>Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version
>of msjet40.dll directly
>You can have the code if you want to update it.
>
>Case 9 'Access 2000
>         Select Case CStr(VerNum)
>         Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
>         Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
>         Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
>         Case Else
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
>         End Select
>     Case Else
>         VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
>     End Select
>
>NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft
>Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5
>(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).
>
>Terri Jarus wrote:
>
> > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack
> > I'm using?
> >
> > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my
> > computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
> >
> > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a
> > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber
> > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the
> > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> > 314-542-1902
> >
> > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> > autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> > That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> > another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> > Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com]
> > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
> >
> >
> > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> > do and why is this happening?
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> > 314-542-1902
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> > intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
> > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
> > it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof.
> >
> > Copyright 2003 AmeriNet 1nc.
> >
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>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 15:37:37 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F13883alUohIi600009aa2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031013203737.72885.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com>


That's exactly what I said. If you put the prompting criteria for the range in the query, they get prompted once. Then that record set is fed into your report where the grouping has already been pre-defined. Here in the report you an even have headers and/footers so that you may create totals, sums or any other aggregate function you desire. 
 
One query, one prompt, one report. I do it all the time.  Why do you think you need many queries?

Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote: 
Thanks for the solution, but I need one report that groups all of my records 
by Area, and there are 50 Areas. Using your solution I would prompt the 
user for a particular CenterRange and the report would deliver the 
information for that Area. I'm trying to set up the grouping in the 
report's code so I can avoid 50 queries or 50 reports/subreports. Does that 
explain the issue more clearly?

Thanks,
Gina


Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:

Use the report's Sorting and Grouping properties to do the "Grouping by 
Area".

Create a query as the underlying record source for the report and set the 
prompts for the criteria in there like below:

Between "*" & [What is the start of the range?] & "*" AND "*" & [What is 
the end of the range?] & "*"

Gina Hoopes wrote:
I need to build a report that uses a table for grouping criteria. The table
has two fields, Area and CenterRange. So, Area might be ESKIND LIBRARY and
the CenterRange is between "108694*" and "108699*". I need my report to
Group by each area and use the CenterRange as the criteria. I'm using a
DLookup but everything I'm trying fails. Can someone give me a direction on
this?

Thanks,
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:51:35 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:51:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <Sea1-F35xzmWecm9t0C00009d1a@hotmail.com>

I can't be explaining myself properly.  My table of areas and center ranges 
is as follows:
STALLWORTH - 1080400000
CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"
and so on ...

If I am prompted for a center range and I tell it between 108100 and 108210 
I'm only going to get VCHA.  How would I get all of my areas and centers in 
the report using a parameter query?


Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:

That's exactly what I said. If you put the prompting criteria for the range 
in the query, they get prompted once. Then that record set is fed into your 
report where the grouping has already been pre-defined. Here in the report 
you an even have headers and/footers so that you may create totals, sums or 
any other aggregate function you desire.

One query, one prompt, one report. I do it all the time.  Why do you think 
you need many queries?

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 13 16:00:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:00:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating	Duplicate	Numbers
References: <sf8abddc.085@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <3F8B1262.5080108@shaw.ca>

I think from the version number you have jet sp-6
Jet sp6 is contained in win 2000 sp-3

here are the download sites for sp7
winxp Jet sp7
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6c1780c0-3f8f-4650-b6ad-11badf3f4dab&DisplayLang=en
win2000 jet sp7
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c0dbac57-806a-4536-a3ec-3166f06b1cb6&DisplayLang=en

Terri Jarus wrote:

> So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But 
> when I go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the 
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com 
> <http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/> which doesn't indicate that I 
> need any updates relative to Jet??
>  
> I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
>  
>  
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> 314-542-1902
>
> >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
> You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL
> hell database
> but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer
> and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1 
> <http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1>
>
> So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010
>
> Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
> The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File
> Name           Version        Size
>    -----------------------------------------
>    Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
>    Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
>    Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
>    Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
>    Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
>    Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
>    Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
>    Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
>    Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
>    Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
>    Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
>    Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
>    Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
>    Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
>    Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
>    Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
>    Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749
>
> Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version
> of msjet40.dll directly
> You can have the code if you want to update it.
>
> Case 9 'Access 2000
>         Select Case CStr(VerNum)
>         Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
>         Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
>         Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
>         Case Else
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
>         End Select
>     Case Else
>         VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
>     End Select
>
> NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft
> Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5
> (SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).
>
> Terri Jarus wrote:
>
> > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack
> > I'm using?
> > 
> > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my
> > computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
> > 
> > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a
> > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber
> > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the
> > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
> > 
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> > 314-542-1902
> >
> > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> > autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> > That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> > another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> > Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
> >
> >
> > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> > do and why is this happening?
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> > 314-542-1902
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> > intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
> > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
> > it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof.
> >
> > Copyright 2003 AmeriNet 1nc.
> >
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> >
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 16:10:07 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F35xzmWecm9t0C00009d1a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031013211007.58363.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>



I'm sorry, then my question would be, "What are you prompting them for?". If your ranges to do overlap into other Area groupings, then what is the purpose of prompting for a center?


Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote: I can't be explaining myself properly. My table of areas and center ranges 
is as follows:
STALLWORTH - 1080400000
CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"
and so on ...

If I am prompted for a center range and I tell it between 108100 and 108210 
I'm only going to get VCHA. How would I get all of my areas and centers in 
the report using a parameter query?


Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:

That's exactly what I said. If you put the prompting criteria for the range 
in the query, they get prompted once. Then that record set is fed into your 
report where the grouping has already been pre-defined. Here in the report 
you an even have headers and/footers so that you may create totals, sums or 
any other aggregate function you desire.

One query, one prompt, one report. I do it all the time. Why do you think 
you need many queries?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 16:24:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:24:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312378@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Hen,

The create new table approach always works.   If this bug works like the
original, appending autonumbers is one of the problems--it doesn't in
fact reset the seed properly.  One of the Jet 4 service packs (I think
it was 4) broke it again after O2k SR-1 so that compacting did not reset
the autonumber to the next highest number, although I believe SP7 has
fixed that ... again.

Charlotte Foust

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From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers


You can use a database.execute "Insert Into..."  to set the autonumber
field 
to the next valid autonumber or just open a table recordset and .addnew 
setting the autonumber field to the next desired number.  That should
reset 
the autonumber again.  Failing that, I'd copy the table with data to a
new 
table, rename the old table and the copy to the old name and change any 
required relationships as required.  When the new table is created, it 
should properly reset the autonumber again.

Hen


>From: "Terri Jarus" <jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate
Numbers
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0500
>
>So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when

>I
>go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the 
>http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need
any 
>updates relative to Jet??
>
>I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
>
>
>Terri Jarus
>Director, Contract Support Services
>jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
>314-542-1902
>
> >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
>You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS 
>DLL hell database but it is not working at present. So just find dll in

>windows explorer and right double click on it to look at version 
>properties and numbers
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversio
>n/dllinfo.asp&fp=1
>
>So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010
>
>Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
>The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File
>Name           Version        Size
>    -----------------------------------------
>    Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
>    Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
>    Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
>    Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
>    Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
>    Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
>    Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
>    Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
>    Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
>    Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
>    Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
>    Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
>    Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
>    Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
>    Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
>    Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
>    Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749
>
>Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
>of msjet40.dll directly You can have the code if you want to update it.
>
>Case 9 'Access 2000
>         Select Case CStr(VerNum)
>         Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
>         Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
>         Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
>         Case Else
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP
unknown)"
>         End Select
>     Case Else
>         VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
>     End Select
>
>NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft

>Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5
>(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).
>
>Terri Jarus wrote:
>
> > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack

> > I'm using?
> >
> > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on 
> > my computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP

> > only.
> >
> > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
> > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
> > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
> > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen 
> > again.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com> 314-542-1902
> >
> > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed 
> > for autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber

> > value. That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem 
> > recently in another forum but without details.  What version and 
> > service pack of Access are you using and what Jet service pack do 
> > you have installed?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
> >
> >
> > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records 
> > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What 
> > should I do and why is this happening?
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> > 314-542-1902
> >
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>
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 16:39:49 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:39:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F25HsZM8FcleNi000196eb@hotmail.com>

If you must bring in the speed issue, the amount of time spent sorting is 
not as significant as the time taken to bring the data to the processor.  A 
2 or 3 gigahertz processor can sort an amazing number of records in a tiny 
fraction of a second, far faster than the data can be requested and 
transferred from a hard drive.  When the data is requested over a 100 
megabit LAN, the lenght of time is significantly magnified.  Add some 
traffic to the LAN and everyone using the LAN is delayed.  Now pull the data 
over a slower connection and the difference in size between numeric and 
string data types becomes more significant.  Use a slower connection and the 
time taken to transfer the data is even greater.

Some people don't realize that the number 933456123 is stored in 4 bytes as 
a long yet takes 9 bytes as a string and 18 bytes as unicode.  The string 
will take more than twice as long to retrieve given a large recordset where 
disk latency isn't the primary factor.  Twice as long for a three second 
retreival time is an extra 3 seconds.  (100 mbit LAN, 9 bits/byte avg 
throughput, 50% share of bandwidth = 5.5 million bytes per second ~ 1.4 
million long fields = ~ 700 thousand string fields ~ two billion processor 
cycles allowing about 700 processor cycles per record for sorting the number 
and 1.4 million for sorting the string)  The same size of recordset sorting 
time, even if it takes four times as long to sort a string over a numeric, 
will likely yeild a difference of .1 vs .4 seconds, a delay of 3 tenths of a 
second depending on the algorithm.  Although it only takes twice as long to 
retrieve, this makes a bigger difference than the fact that it takes perhaps 
four times as long to sort.  Another significant factor is that the index 
size of a numeric is smaller than that of a string resulting in faster LAN 
performance for any searches on the field with a resulting benefit to all 
users of that LAN.

In this day of data over distance, size still matters, even if the distance 
is only to a local hard drive.  Put that drive on a LAN or WAN or over the 
internet and it matters even more.  As processors seem to increase in speed 
at a greater rate than bandwidth does (if you discount 300 baud modems or 
audio cassette tape drives vs hard disks and ponder how long we've had 56K 
modems and 100mbit LANS), the advantage of smaller datatypes has only been 
increasing with the passage of time.

Beware the situation where a user may want to append an 'A' or a 'B' to a 
field that was spec'ed only to contain whole contain numbers, or those who 
might one day need a 'none' or 'all' selection in the table rather than 
having it unioined into a recordset.  Only when you have the absolute 
ability to constrain the data ('data' does not include formatting hyphens or 
spaces or other fixed characters) to numerical digits can you take advantage 
of the size differences between numeric and text datatypes.  On the scale 
most Access databased operate this may not seem very important but there is 
still some advantage to be gained.

Hen

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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 16:46:52 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:46:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <Sea1-F713sllNY30kkZ00009f35@hotmail.com>

Using a parameter query to prompt the user was your suggestion, never my 
thought. I just want to run a report that takes 6000 records based on center 
numbers and groups them by area based on the CenterRange field that 
corresponds to each Area.

So, I've got data like:

1080400000	44740	INC LONG-TERM INVEST	1296067	730000	1310545
1080400000	80010	EXEC ADMIN IDS TAX	8588	7635	13708
1080400000	80025	UNIV SERVICE IDS TAX	24149	14232	25551
1081750000	59203	NF FBR MED NONHOS STAFF	388	742	97
1081750000	59205	NF FBR UNIV STAFF	332	0	94
1081750000	59505	FBR AC UNIV STAFF	-172	0	76
1081000000	50100	FAC AND EXEC ADMIN	961500	867000	1021511
1081000000	50200	FACULTY	280250	55000	467763
1081000000	50400	COST SHARING FACULTY	-10482	0	0

and I want the report to put each of these in their respective Areas, based 
on the center number at the beginning.  There is no overlap between centers. 
  One center will fall in only one area.

So, my report would look like:

STALLWORTH:
1080400000	44740	INC LONG-TERM INVEST	1296067	730000	1310545
1080400000	80010	EXEC ADMIN IDS TAX	8588	7635	13708
1080400000	80025	UNIV SERVICE IDS TAX	24149	14232	25551

CHS:
1081750000	59203	NF FBR MED NONHOS STAFF	388	742	97
1081750000	59205	NF FBR UNIV STAFF	332	0	94
1081750000	59505	FBR AC UNIV STAFF	-172	0	76

VCHA:
1081000000	50100	FAC AND EXEC ADMIN	961500	867000	1021511
1081000000	50200	FACULTY	280250	55000	467763
1081000000	50400	COST SHARING FACULTY	-10482	0	0

Does that make it more clear?

Thanks,
Gina

Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:
I'm sorry, then my question would be, "What are you prompting them for?". If 
your ranges to do overlap into other Area groupings, then what is the 
purpose of prompting for a center?


Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote:
I can't be explaining myself properly. My table of areas and center ranges
is as follows:
STALLWORTH - 1080400000
CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"
and so on ...

If I am prompted for a center range and I tell it between 108100 and 108210
I'm only going to get VCHA. How would I get all of my areas and centers in
the report using a parameter query?

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From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Mon Oct 13 17:01:59 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:01:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312378@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004a01c391d5$a05236f0$6465000a@venus>

Howdy
I have had this happen a couple of times.  If you make an append query
"insert into tbl_with_problem ([id]) select Max([tbl_with_problem].[id])+1"
this resets it.  Not a long term solution, but a quick one if it's urgent.

Cheers
Selina

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers


> Hen,
>
> The create new table approach always works.   If this bug works like the
> original, appending autonumbers is one of the problems--it doesn't in
> fact reset the seed properly.  One of the Jet 4 service packs (I think
> it was 4) broke it again after O2k SR-1 so that compacting did not reset
> the autonumber to the next highest number, although I believe SP7 has
> fixed that ... again.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers
>
>
> You can use a database.execute "Insert Into..."  to set the autonumber
> field
> to the next valid autonumber or just open a table recordset and .addnew
> setting the autonumber field to the next desired number.  That should
> reset
> the autonumber again.  Failing that, I'd copy the table with data to a
> new
> table, rename the old table and the copy to the old name and change any
> required relationships as required.  When the new table is created, it
> should properly reset the autonumber again.
>
> Hen
>
>
> >From: "Terri Jarus" <jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate
> Numbers
> >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0500
> >
> >So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when
>
> >I
> >go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the
> >http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need
> any
> >updates relative to Jet??
> >
> >I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> >Terri Jarus
> >Director, Contract Support Services
> >jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> >314-542-1902
> >
> > >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
> >You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS
> >DLL hell database but it is not working at present. So just find dll in
>
> >windows explorer and right double click on it to look at version
> >properties and numbers
> >
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversio
> >n/dllinfo.asp&fp=1
> >
> >So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.
> >
> >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010
> >
> >Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
> >The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File
> >Name           Version        Size
> >    -----------------------------------------
> >    Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
> >    Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
> >    Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
> >    Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
> >    Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
> >    Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
> >    Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
> >    Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
> >    Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
> >    Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
> >    Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
> >    Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
> >    Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
> >    Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
> >    Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
> >    Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
> >    Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
> >    Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
> >    Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749
> >
> >Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version
> >of msjet40.dll directly You can have the code if you want to update it.
> >
> >Case 9 'Access 2000
> >         Select Case CStr(VerNum)
> >         Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
> >             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
> >         Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
> >             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
> >         Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
> >             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
> >         Case Else
> >             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP
> unknown)"
> >         End Select
> >     Case Else
> >         VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
> >     End Select
> >
> >NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft
>
> >Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5
> >(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).
> >
> >Terri Jarus wrote:
> >
> > > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack
>
> > > I'm using?
> > >
> > > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on
> > > my computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP
>
> > > only.
> > >
> > > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a
> > > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber
> > > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the
> > > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Terri Jarus
> > > Director, Contract Support Services
> > > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com> 314-542-1902
> > >
> > > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> > > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed
> > > for autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber
>
> > > value. That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem
> > > recently in another forum but without details.  What version and
> > > service pack of Access are you using and what Jet service pack do
> > > you have installed?
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com]
> > > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
> > >
> > >
> > > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> > > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What
> > > should I do and why is this happening?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help you can give.
> > >
> > > Terri Jarus
> > > Director, Contract Support Services
> > > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> > > 314-542-1902
> > >
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> > >
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> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 13 17:14:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:14:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] OT Learning ASP
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227319@main2.marlow.com>

Here's an ASP page I developed to directly edit a particular table I had in
Access.  It wouldn't be difficult to modify this to any table.

<html>
<%
dim cnn
dim rs
dim i
dim strSQL
dim intCount
if request.Form("Submit")="Submit" then
	set cnn=server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
	set rs=server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
	cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
	cnn.Open "E:\IntranetDLL\DynCorp\Air2000_be.mdb"
	rs.Open "tblWebFields",cnn,1,3,512	
	intCount=rs.Fields.Count-1
	rs.MoveFirst
	do until rs.EOF=True
		for i=1 to intCount
			rs.Fields(i).value=request.Form(rs.Fields(0).value &
"-" & rs.Fields(i).Name)
		next
		rs.Update
		rs.MoveNext
	loop
	rs.Close
	set rs=nothing
	cnn.Close
	set cnn=nothing
end if
%>
<head>
<title>Dyncorp Field Settings</title>
</head>
<body>
<form name="FieldSettings" method=post>
<input type=submit name="Submit" value="Submit">
<table width="100%" border=1>
<%
set cnn=server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "E:\IntranetDLL\DynCorp\Air2000_be.mdb"
rs.Open "tblWebFields",cnn,1,1,512	
response.Write "<tr>" & vbcrlf
intCount=rs.Fields.Count-1
for i=1 to intCount
	response.Write "<td width=""" & 100/intCount & """>" &
rs.Fields(i).Name & "</td>" & vbcrlf
next
response.Write "</tr>" & vbcrlf
rs.MoveFirst
do until rs.EOF=True
	response.Write "<tr>" & vbcrlf
	for i=1 to intCount
		response.Write "<td width=""" & 100/intCount & """>" &
vbcrlf
		response.Write "<input type=""text"" name=""" &
rs.Fields(0).Value & "-" & rs.Fields(i).Name & """ value=""" &
rs.Fields(i).Value & """></td>" & vbcrlf
	next
	response.Write "</tr>" & vbcrlf
	rs.MoveNext
loop
rs.Close
set rs=nothing
cnn.Close
set cnn=nothing
%>
</table>
<input type=submit name="Submit" value="Submit">
</form>
</body>
</html>

Drew


-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net
To: dba-vb
Cc: accessd
Sent: 10/13/03 8:21 AM
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] OT Learning ASP

To all,

 

I would like to start getting into ASP, I have done very little HTML so
really don't know where to start.  We are going to transfer our main
booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a back-end
to an Intranet/Internet page.  What I am really after is a way to create
a logon page that grants access via a user table, I think if someone
could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. designing the logon page
and connecting to the database to check the logins) I may be able to get
a better understanding before we go to far.

 

Also does anyone know any good books for this, I am currently
programming in VB/VBA on XP machines with a Windows 2000 server.

 

Paul Hartland

 

 <<ATT140763.txt>>  <<ATT140764.txt>> 

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 13 17:20:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:20:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Format Field
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E002B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3F8BB1D1.32382.22DE77@localhost>

On 13 Oct 2003 at 6:32, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> No, I named the field EFRNo in the search form (where I would double-click).
> 
I presume you mean you named the textbox?

> I do not want to use the Format of the field because when you click in the
> field the formatting disappears. Instead of EF-00011, when you click in the
> field it shows 11. I want it to show the complete number with the EF-.
> However, when I do use the Format of the field it works, the form displaying
> all the data does open.
> 
That's because you are now passing the actual report number to the 
strLinkCriteria.

> I am not sure what I did now... when I double click the failure number on
> the search form, I get a box with EF & wanting me to enter a parameter & the
> form opens blank.
>
> I even tried adding the format to the query for the search form and using
> that as the control source. EFRNo:
> Format([tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
> 
> What am I missing?
> 

If the textbox contains "EF-00011", and you want to find the record 
with the Report Number 11, you need to convert the formatted data  
back to it's numeric equivalent. Make your criteria

  stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
  Val(Mid$(EFRNo],4))


> Virginia
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 5:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format Field
> 
> 
> On 11 Oct 2003 at 10:33, Hollis,Virginia wrote:
> 
> > I am having problems with a formatted field. The FailureReportNo is a
> number
> > field.
> >  
> > On a search form, I want to double-click on the failure report number and
> > open another form that contains all the failure data.
> >  
> > On the search form I have the FailureReportNo with the Control Source:
> > =Format([FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
> >  
> > On the double-click of the FailureReportNo I have:
> >  
> >     stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
> > Me![FailureReportNo]
> >     DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> >     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmFind"
> >  
> > The problem is the search form FailureReportNo field contains #Error & if
> I
> > double click on the field (to test it anyway) I get Type Mismatch. Do I
> have
> > my quotes wrong?
> >  
> 
> My guess:
> You created the textbox by dragggin it from the FieldView window andf 
> then change dthe control source afterwards. 
> 
> As a result, you have the textbox named "FailureReportNo" and are 
> using the field "FailureReportNo" in a function as the control source 
> (causing a circular reference)
> 
> When you double click, it use the textbox name 
> (Me![FailuyreReportNo]) to build the string stLinkCriteria which 
> becomes "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=EF-1234"
> 
> Either - rename the textbox to txtFailureReportNo
> or - reset the control source to  a simple "FailureReportNo" and 
> format it using the format property of the textbox.
> 
> 
>  
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
> Support.
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 13 17:56:53 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:56:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Export to where?
In-Reply-To: <005d0268606b$5868e280$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <3F8BBA55.16523.441FF5@localhost>

On 14 Oct 2050 at 8:26, Kath Pelletti wrote:

> In an application distributed recently, I added the standard Access
> menu option 'Export', 'Publish it with MS Word'. 
> 
> The client tells me that that option outputs the file to a network
> location and takes forever, and can the location be changed to C:\Temp
> for all machines. 
> 
> On the proviso that this is not an option that I can customise, I
> started to play with it and found that on my machine I control the
> output by nominating the folder under the Access menu [Tools]
> [Options] [General] 'Default database folder'. This is not apparently
> what my client finds - they find that it outputs to the 'last used
> folder in Word'. I have tried to test that and find that for me that
> is not the case. 
> 
> Can someone else give it a shot and let me know what you get? And is

On my Win2K with Access2K, it outputs to the folder specified in "[Options] [General] 'Default database folder".

> there a cleverer way to nominate the output folder? I would prefer a
> code option as there are multiple machines using the app. 
> 

Create your own menu option in place of the built in "Publish...".

Create a function:
Function Publish() As Long
If CurrentObjectType = acReport Then
 DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, CurrentObjectName, _
    acFormatRTF, "C:\Temp\" & CurrentObjectName & ".rtf", True
End If
End Function

Create a one line macro called Publish with an action of RunCode and 
a function of Publish()

Add the macro to your report preview toolbar.


  

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From michael.sweeney at hsntech.com  Tue Oct 14 00:43:45 2003
From: michael.sweeney at hsntech.com (SWEENEY Michael)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:43:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Opening MS Access db from VB
Message-ID: <03E30CF11DA2D311ACC600805F85B48B0362039F@SYNRYD01NT05>

Team,

I am trying to open an access DB from within a VB app. All i want to acheive
is to have the db open in its own right.

It would seem pretty simple but my head just cant get it....

Here is the code I used which opens access but not the the actual db.

Dim mydb as database
Dim str1 as string

str1 = "File location to the mdb"
DBEngine.DefaultUser = "Admin"
DBEngine.DefaultPassword = " "
set mydb = DBEngine.Opendatabase(str1)

I know I am missing something but cant work out what....Any help is
appreciated.






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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 02:18:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:18:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77BF@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77BF@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <1694606844.20031014091859@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

This is not correct - you must be thinking of Str() which adds a
leading place holder (space) for the sign but doesn't display a plus
sign, thus 

   2 displays as " 2"
  -2 displays as "-2"

which has the advantage of listing positive and negative numbers
nicely when using a monospaced font.

Like CStr(), Format() does not have this behaviour. You can, however,
tell Format() to act like Str() this way:

  strVal = Format(lngVal," 0;-0")

But why should you? Str() is very much faster than Format().

/gustav


> Format *always* pads with one space, to get more just include spaces in the
> format string, thus...

> format(2,"0") will display (without the quotes) " 2"
> format(2," 0") will display "  2"

> if you don't want any padding use Cstr instead of Format.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 03:00:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:00:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013121233.026b84c8@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013121233.026b84c8@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <1697098747.20031014100031@cactus.dk>

Hi Robert

With all respect I disagree. The rule should be reversed:

  If you are not going to use the number as a string,
  store it as a number.

The exceptions are only those where the numbers exceed the capacity of
your database engine, normally at least 14 digits (Jet: Currency) and
a Long Integer is always available which holds 9 digits.

Also, as several have stated, there may be some good reason for not
storing a number as a number but as a numeric string. The most common
situations are those where the place holder has a meaning. An example
is old accounting systems where longer account numbers indicate lower
levels relative to shorter account numbers:

       4        Main account
       48       Sub account of 4
       482      Sub account of 48
       8        Main account
       ...      etc.

One way to avoid strings in this case is to decide on a maximum length
for account numbers, say 6, and append traling zeroes:

       400000   Main account
       480000   Sub account of 4
       482000   Sub account of 48
       800000   Main account
       ...      etc.

Another example is something like product numbers where leading zeroes
are used but the length of the numbers varies. Such a combination
cannot be sorted by formatting with leading zeroes as you don't know
how many zeroes to add:

       00459208
       69392110
       0002918
       33981
       88470098
       0877281

However, in many countries postal codes are pure numerics and of fixed
length, so there's no reason to store a, say, four digit number as a
string when a two-byte Integer can do.

And here every company is identified for the authorities by a fixed
8-digit number like 12002696. Although it should be formatted as
12-00-26-96 I see no special reason for storing it as text.

/gustav


> Simple rule...

> If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
> except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.

> All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
> if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
> properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
> Everything will be sorted correctly.

> The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
> the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.

> Robert

> At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
>>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID:
>>         <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
>>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
>>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
>>in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
>>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 04:13:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:13:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F713sllNY30kkZ00009f35@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea1-F713sllNY30kkZ00009f35@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5211452017.20031014111304@cactus.dk>

Hi Gina

Assuming that

  STALLWORTH - 1080400000
  CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
  VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"

should be something like this as no ranges overlap:

  STALLWORTH - 1080400000
  CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
  VCHA - between "108100*" and "108120*"

you could create a table with the specific ranges:

Center      AreaMin         AreaMax
CHS         1081750000      1081769999
STALLWORTH  1080400000      1080400000
VCHA        1081000000      1081209999
CHS         4081100000      4081199999

Then modify your report source like this (only basic fields shown):

<SQL>

  SELECT
    Area,
    Center,
    Report
  FROM
    tblCenterData,
    tblCenterRange
  WHERE
    Area Between [AreaMin] And [AreaMax];

</SQL>

Note the missing join. Also, grouping and sorting should be left out -
do that in your report.

Thus, this will be returned:

Area            Center          Report
1080400000      STALLWORTH      80025
1080400000      STALLWORTH      80010
1080400000      STALLWORTH      44740
1081000000      VCHA            50400
1081000000      VCHA            50200
1081000000      VCHA            50100
1081750000      CHS             59505
1081750000      CHS             59205
1081750000      CHS             59203

/gustav


> Using a parameter query to prompt the user was your suggestion, never my 
> thought. I just want to run a report that takes 6000 records based on center 
> numbers and groups them by area based on the CenterRange field that 
> corresponds to each Area.

> So, I've got data like:

> 1080400000      44740   INC LONG-TERM INVEST    1296067 730000  1310545
> 1080400000      80010   EXEC ADMIN IDS TAX      8588    7635    13708
> 1080400000      80025   UNIV SERVICE IDS TAX    24149   14232   25551
> 1081750000      59203   NF FBR MED NONHOS STAFF 388     742     97
> 1081750000      59205   NF FBR UNIV STAFF       332     0       94
> 1081750000      59505   FBR AC UNIV STAFF       -172    0       76
> 1081000000      50100   FAC AND EXEC ADMIN      961500  867000  1021511
> 1081000000      50200   FACULTY 280250  55000   467763
> 1081000000      50400   COST SHARING FACULTY    -10482  0       0

> and I want the report to put each of these in their respective Areas, based 
> on the center number at the beginning.  There is no overlap between centers. 
>   One center will fall in only one area.

> So, my report would look like:

> STALLWORTH:
> 1080400000      44740   INC LONG-TERM INVEST    1296067 730000  1310545
> 1080400000      80010   EXEC ADMIN IDS TAX      8588    7635    13708
> 1080400000      80025   UNIV SERVICE IDS TAX    24149   14232   25551

> CHS:
> 1081750000      59203   NF FBR MED NONHOS STAFF 388     742     97
> 1081750000      59205   NF FBR UNIV STAFF       332     0       94
> 1081750000      59505   FBR AC UNIV STAFF       -172    0       76

> VCHA:
> 1081000000      50100   FAC AND EXEC ADMIN      961500  867000  1021511
> 1081000000      50200   FACULTY 280250  55000   467763
> 1081000000      50400   COST SHARING FACULTY    -10482  0       0


> Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote:

> .. My table of areas and center ranges is as follows:

> STALLWORTH - 1080400000
> CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
> VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"

> and so on ...


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 14 05:24:59 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:24:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312377@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F8B96BB.24473.231DF5@localhost>

On 13 Oct 2003 at 12:45, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> You'll find that most of the world (except the US) uses A4 as its
> standard paper.  We offer reports formatted for legal, letter or A4. 

Canada uses Letter size as well as it's standard size.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
It was difficult to code. So it damn well better be difficult to use.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 14 05:28:42 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:28:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Opening MS Access db from VB
In-Reply-To: <03E30CF11DA2D311ACC600805F85B48B0362039F@SYNRYD01NT05>
Message-ID: <3F8B979A.16944.268246@localhost>

On 14 Oct 2003 at 15:43, SWEENEY Michael wrote:

> I am trying to open an access DB from within a VB app. All i want to
> acheive is to have the db open in its own right.
> 
> It would seem pretty simple but my head just cant get it....
> 
> Here is the code I used which opens access but not the the actual db.
> 
> Dim mydb as database
> Dim str1 as string
> 
> str1 = "File location to the mdb"
> DBEngine.DefaultUser = "Admin"
> DBEngine.DefaultPassword = " "
> set mydb = DBEngine.Opendatabase(str1)
> 
> I know I am missing something but cant work out what....Any help is
> appreciated.

Are you actually trying to open the db so you can go into Access' GUI 
and manipulate the db that way?

Or are you trying to open it to manipulate it in code?

If you are trying to do the first, I *THINK* you will need to use the 
shell command.

If you are trying for the second way, here is the DAO code we use in 
the BEU:

'Open the Workspace
Set mwks = CreateWorkspace("BEU", cstrUName, cstrPWord)
'Set Reference to BE, opened Exclusively
Set mdbBE = mwks.OpenDatabase(Me.BEPath, True, False, Me.BEPassword)

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 14 06:09:29 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:09:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: <sf8a5353.081@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <026901c39243$a4d06210$6401a8c0@default>

Cynthia & All,

A client was exporting from an accounting package that
uses text keys into a 'Main' Access database.
I was to work on a db that linked the Customers table,
read-only, where the primary key was two concatenated
fields to ensure uniqueness.

Because I could not edit/update the data in the main database,
which was daily updated by the accounting package, I had
to redundantly store the data in a Local Customers table.

A combobox rowsource in this database was a union query
of 'Main' Customers and Local Customers.

Consider this combo on a subform that writes to tblDailyActivity.
The addition of new customers (not-in-list) means creating an
identity function for new data unique to the division that uses the
linked Customers table because the union query requires that the
primary keys be of the same data type (text).

Data must be written to the Local Customers table from a new
CustomerInfo form, the combobox must requery, and the
DailyActvity table will now store the data without creating
a blank row (you'd have to try it to see what I mean).

The point is that AutoNumber or Long Integer is
a far better choice of primary key if possible.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "CYNTHIA SPELL" <CSPELL at jhuccp.org>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit
number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).
Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm considering
changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a
few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is
there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data type?  I
remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text, but I'm
not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
>
> TIA,
> Cindy Spell
>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Oct 14 07:23:09 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:23:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating DuplicateNumbers
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9765@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You will need to update the SP on your users machine also...

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Terri Jarus
	Verzonden: maandag 13 oktober 2003 17:49
	Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating
DuplicateNumbers
	
	
	I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service
pack I'm using?
	 
	Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed
on my computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP
only.
	 
	To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into
a new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber field.
That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the users to put
in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
	 
	Terri Jarus
	Director, Contract Support Services
	jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
	314-542-1902

	>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
	There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the
seed for
	autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber
value.
	That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem
recently in
	another forum but without details.  What version and service
pack of
	Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have
installed?  
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
	Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate
Numbers
	
	
	My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the
records
	aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What
should I
	do and why is this happening?
	
	Thanks for any help you can give.
	
	Terri Jarus
	Director, Contract Support Services
	jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
	314-542-1902
	
	
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 08:04:53 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:04:53 +0200
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Hi all

Just had a talk with the local representative about developer's cost.

Minimum is one license at EUR 240.00.
Maintenance and support is optional at 22% pr. year of license fee or
~EUR 53.00 bringing a total for the first year of about EUR 293.00
which equals about USD 340.00. This may, of course, vary on the west
side of the pond.

If you sign an agreement as a software house you'll get a substantial
discount on these prices including the licenses you may sell to your
clients.

To me this sounds so fair that only open source engines like Firebird,
SAP DB (MaxDB) and MySQL can compete - and they'll only bring a
fraction of the features of Cach?.

I have no time to play around with the free test license at the moment
but I hope I will in the near future.

/gustav


> Hi Anonymous

> Here a simple end user license fee is EUR 240.
> However, they offer alternative pricing schemes, like

>   Power Units (don't ask)
>   Value based

> These are intended for OEM and embedded use of the engine.
> Further, due to the diverted use of the engine, pricing should be
> negotiable. This you will, of course, have to discuss with your local
> contact.

> How or if this covers a developer license for commercial use, I don't
> know yet.

> /gustav


>> Anyone know the pricing?  The site requires you to fill out a survey to
>> get pricing ... If the price isn't on the site, for anything, it?s
>> ususally way too expensive.


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:58 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


>> Hi group

>> Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

>> The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
>> easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like language
>> - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are at once
>> compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC, classes
>> via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access the data
>> simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly efficient
>> they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the engine next to
>> the speed of the engine itself.

>> Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
>> direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
>> with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as they
>> offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a hidden
>> frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is avoided -
>> this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious application-like
>> running in a browser.

>> The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
>> the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
>> moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
>> interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
>> remember.

>> The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no more
>> efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and really
>> have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to anything
>> including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS, Tru64,
>> HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the next release
>> - requiring modest hardware only.

>> /gustav


>>>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>>>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or 
>>>> otherwise?

>>>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>>>> not time limited.


From backroad at idir.net  Tue Oct 14 08:32:44 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:32:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
References: <3F8B96BB.24473.231DF5@localhost>
Message-ID: <003101c39257$a6f1cb60$6501a8c0@Julie>

Thanks very much to all who answered - exactly the information I need!

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?


> On 13 Oct 2003 at 12:45, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > You'll find that most of the world (except the US) uses A4 as its
> > standard paper.  We offer reports formatted for legal, letter or A4.
>
> Canada uses Letter size as well as it's standard size.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> It was difficult to code. So it damn well better be difficult to use.
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Tue Oct 14 09:11:50 2003
From: joeget at vgernet.net (joeget at vgernet.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:11:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
Message-ID: <200310141407.h9EE7G1M024591@vger.vgernet.net>

When I go from a form to a link and 
then return the form is minimized and 
at the bottom of the screen. Does 
anyone know how to automatically have 
the original form go back to the 
maximized state after the link is 
closed?
Thanks in advance
John
Eget

---------------------------------------------
Inter-Access
http://www.vgernet.net



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 09:31:15 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:31:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 14 09:44:37 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:44:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <Sea1-F149F7RlwDQfCr0000be88@hotmail.com>

Thank you, Gustav, I think that's exactly the solution I was looking for.

Gina
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gustav Brock [gustav at cactus.dk] wrote:
Hi Gina

Assuming that

  STALLWORTH - 1080400000
  CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
  VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"

should be something like this as no ranges overlap:

  STALLWORTH - 1080400000
  CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
  VCHA - between "108100*" and "108120*"

you could create a table with the specific ranges:

Center      AreaMin         AreaMax
CHS         1081750000      1081769999
STALLWORTH  1080400000      1080400000
VCHA        1081000000      1081209999
CHS         4081100000      4081199999

Then modify your report source like this (only basic fields shown):

<SQL>

  SELECT
    Area,
    Center,
    Report
  FROM
    tblCenterData,
    tblCenterRange
  WHERE
    Area Between [AreaMin] And [AreaMax];

</SQL>

Note the missing join. Also, grouping and sorting should be left out - do 
that in your report.

Thus, this will be returned:

Area            Center          Report
1080400000      STALLWORTH      80025
1080400000      STALLWORTH      80010
1080400000      STALLWORTH      44740
1081000000      VCHA            50400
1081000000      VCHA            50200
1081000000      VCHA            50100
1081750000      CHS             59505
1081750000      CHS             59205
1081750000      CHS             59203

/gustav

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 14 09:47:32 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:47:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77C3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I sit corrected, it was indeed the Str() function my lame-brain was
"thinking" of.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:19 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> 
> Hi Lambert
> 
> This is not correct - you must be thinking of Str() which adds a
> leading place holder (space) for the sign but doesn't display a plus
> sign, thus 
> 
>    2 displays as " 2"
>   -2 displays as "-2"
> 
> which has the advantage of listing positive and negative numbers
> nicely when using a monospaced font.
> 
> Like CStr(), Format() does not have this behaviour. You can, however,
> tell Format() to act like Str() this way:
> 
>   strVal = Format(lngVal," 0;-0")
> 
> But why should you? Str() is very much faster than Format().
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Format *always* pads with one space, to get more just include spaces in
> the
> > format string, thus...
> 
> > format(2,"0") will display (without the quotes) " 2"
> > format(2," 0") will display "  2"
> 
> > if you don't want any padding use Cstr instead of Format.
> 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue Oct 14 10:04:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:04:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F706@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Yes good idea.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Dim objExcel as object
Dim objWorksheet as object

This is more clear than variant.

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Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 21:09
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


>>You can use object type to<<
Sorry don't understand what you mean.

BTW - it works on her machine now if she uses a Variant for the VBIDE
objects.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails



You can use object type to. 
This will result in not having the autosuggest while developing.
I noticed that this solved some issues to. Al hase to do with late/early
binding.


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Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 17:38
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning
up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a
Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to
Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors. When you
close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

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John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
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>TIA,
>
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Tue Oct 14 13:41:40 2003
From: joeget at vgernet.net (Joeget)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:41:40 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 14 10:23:24 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:23:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310131959.h9DJxve29700@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014101408.02673b00@pop3.highstream.net>

John,

The "longest" string is the full size of the column.

Here is a function that will do it on the fly.  You would
pass the full column width, i.e. 15 as the intWidth.

Function PadLeft(strText As String, intWidth As Integer, _
  Optional strPad As String = " ") As String

     ' Pad strText on the left, so the whole output is
     ' at least intWidth characters.
     ' If strText is longer than intWidth, just return strText.
     ' If strPad is wider than one character, this code only takes
     '  the first character got padding.
     ' Parameters:
     '   strText:
     '       Input text
     '   intWidth:
     '       Minimum width of the output. If
     '       Len(strText) < intWidth, then the
     '       output will be exactly intWidth characters
     '       wide. The code will not truncate strText,
     '       no matter what.
     '   strPad (Optional, default is " "):
     '       string whose first character will
     '       be used to pad the output.
     ' Returns:
     '   Return Value:
     '       strText, possibly padded on the left with
     '       the first character of strPad.
     ' Example:
     '   PadLeft("Name", 10, ".") returns
     '       "......Name"
     '   PadLeft("Name", 10) returns
     '       "      Name"

     If Len(strText) > intWidth Then
         PadLeft = strText
     Else
         PadLeft = Right$(String(intWidth, strPad) & _
          strText, intWidth)
     End If
  End Function

Since I useBase36 for my numbering, I start my numbering
at 0000000000.  Because everything is padded with 0, the
sorting is not an issue.  I live with the performance hit
of a few milliseconds because I prefer this method.

One day, I suspect our SSNs will include letters and go to
a Base36 numbering like the license plates on our cars.
And it would be smart, which is why it will never happen
;-), if zip codes were done the same way.

I believe we agree, just saying it different ways.  8-)

Robert

At 02:59 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:19:14 -0500
>From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEMDFCAA.john at winhaven.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Yes, but then you have to find the longest string first and feed it to the
>format function and you have the issue of leading zeros or (whatever), etc.
>
>I realize there are many reasons to type a field one way or the other and
>there are always gray areas...
>therefore I'll revise my previous statement - its cleaner (and easier) to
>sort your data if you first properly type your data fields. In general use a
>number type for items that indicate a numeric value and a text type for
>items that just happen to include numbers.



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 14 10:51:07 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:51:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <200310141524.h9EFOBe01916@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014104733.02684d40@pop3.highstream.net>

I believe that you can do this with a query.

Use GroupBy on the Center
Use Min on the Center range in the first instance of it
Use Max on the center range in the second instance of it.

But, it sounds like she simply wants a grouping report
grouped by Center and sorted by center then center range.

Robert

At 10:24 AM 10/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:13:04 +0200
>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Grouping
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <5211452017.20031014111304 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hi Gina
>
>Assuming that
>
>   STALLWORTH - 1080400000
>   CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
>   VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"
>
>should be something like this as no ranges overlap:
>
>   STALLWORTH - 1080400000
>   CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
>   VCHA - between "108100*" and "108120*"
>
>you could create a table with the specific ranges:
>
>Center      AreaMin         AreaMax
>CHS         1081750000      1081769999
>STALLWORTH  1080400000      1080400000
>VCHA        1081000000      1081209999
>CHS         4081100000      4081199999



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 11:10:25 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:10:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014104733.02684d40@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <200310141524.h9EFOBe01916@databaseadvisors.com>
        <5.1.0.14.2.20031014104733.02684d40@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group
I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to monthdateyear(01231998) format.
So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and tested it at
home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to table. Now it
doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?


Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection

If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then

    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")

        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)

        Debug.Print aRecord(8)

        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
        'con.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If




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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 14 11:11:28 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:11:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310141524.h9EFOBe01916@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014105625.02624960@pop3.highstream.net>

Gustav,

See responses below:


At 10:24 AM 10/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:



>With all respect I disagree. The rule should be reversed:

RLS:  Isn't this list great, we can disagree and stay friends.  8-) (Not 
trying to be funny)


>   If you are not going to use the number as a string,
>   store it as a number.
>
>The exceptions are only those where the numbers exceed the capacity of
>your database engine, normally at least 14 digits (Jet: Currency) and
>a Long Integer is always available which holds 9 digits.

RLS:  By using scientific notation, you can go past this also.
Decimal = 10 ^28 -1


>Also, as several have stated, there may be some good reason for not
>storing a number as a number but as a numeric string. The most common
>situations are those where the place holder has a meaning. An example
>is old accounting systems where longer account numbers indicate lower
>levels relative to shorter account numbers:
>
>        4        Main account
>        48       Sub account of 4
>        482      Sub account of 48
>        8        Main account
>        ...      etc.

RLS:  True and in this case, it is "sorting" the way you really want it to.


>One way to avoid strings in this case is to decide on a maximum length
>for account numbers, say 6, and append traling zeroes:
>
>        400000   Main account
>        480000   Sub account of 4
>        482000   Sub account of 48
>        800000   Main account
>        ...      etc.
>
>Another example is something like product numbers where leading zeroes
>are used but the length of the numbers varies. Such a combination
>cannot be sorted by formatting with leading zeroes as you don't know
>how many zeroes to add:
>
>        00459208
>        69392110
>        0002918
>        33981
>        88470098
>        0877281

RLS:  True, but just because we say "product number" does not mean that it 
really is a number.  Product Identifier would really be more accurate.  I 
would never think of making this a number and from what you have said, 
neither would you.


>However, in many countries postal codes are pure numerics and of fixed
>length, so there's no reason to store a, say, four digit number as a
>string when a two-byte Integer can do.

RLS:  Sure there is.  Like the US zip codes, they can start with a zero.


>And here every company is identified for the authorities by a fixed
>8-digit number like 12002696. Although it should be formatted as
>12-00-26-96 I see no special reason for storing it as text.

RLS:  As long as the first character can not be a zero, you are okay.  Just 
like in the US, our Social Security Number is a format of
999-99-9999, I would never store it as a number because some of them start 
with zero.

Just call me "Old School" 8-)))

Robert



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 11:40:53 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:40:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
References: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
Message-ID: <24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group,
I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac respectively)
O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")

 (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies. Am
I missing anything ?


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 14 12:02:51 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:02:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
Message-ID: <BAY1-F80SOlbpH71yEX0000fb40@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can call from A97 to 
kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?

Thanks,

Mark

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 14 12:10:08 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:10:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
References: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
	<24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c39276$0538ca70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...go to www.colbyconsulting.com and dl the ProperCase sample db there
...it'll give you what you're looking for ...HTH :)

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:40 PM
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


> Hey Group,
> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
> McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac respectively)
> O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")
>
>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies. Am
> I missing anything ?
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 14 12:24:30 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:24:30 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
In-Reply-To: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <00df01c39278$07232360$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Some ideas:

I assume what you are saying is that the date is stored in your csv table as
yyyymmdd and access is reading it as mmddyyyy (ie american date format) and thus
your dates are screwed up.

Using dim aRecord as you have will default the variable to a variant.  (A side
note, I always explicity declare, that way I avoid unexpected surprises if MS
decides to change the default behaviour)

I don't know what split does, but I am assuming it tries to guess what the
variable type is and then stores it as that type.  I would first check your PC
date format, but I suspect that you will be stuck with US interpretation and
will have to "manually" force the date to be read the correct manner.

First suggestion would be to dim aRecord as a string.  This will force the date
(and other fields) to be stored as they appear in the csv file.  Then you can
split the date field using left$/right$/mid$ and datepart.

If I am incorrectly guessing what your problem is, maybe someelse will have a
better idea.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2003 12:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
>
>
> Hey Group
> I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
> changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to
> monthdateyear(01231998) format.
> So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
> yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and
> tested it at
> home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
> aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to
> table. Now it
> doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>
>
> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim aRecord
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>
> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>
>     Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>
>     Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>
>         strLine = ts.ReadLine
>         aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>
>         aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>
>         Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>
>         strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," &
> aRecord(8) & ")"
>         'con.Execute (strSQL)
>
>     Loop
> Else
>      MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
> End If
>
>
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 12:20:59 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:20:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
In-Reply-To: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
Message-ID: <00c301c39277$89491ee0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Joe
To do this sort of thing I now use a variety of Shell command, not to
run Word, Excel etc but Rundll so that you effectively invoke whatever
app is associated with the file type. Someone on the list gave it to me
(sorry, can't give due credit cos can't remember and code doesn't say).
Anyway, it works a treat, opens app in separate window, doesn't touch
the Access app at all. You just put a call to it on the Click or
Double-Click (wherever you want) event behind the control. If you're
interested I can send it to you off-list.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>  

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Sent: 14 October 2003 19:42
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form to Link and return




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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
Date: 14/10/03 14:36

Joe
What kind of link are we talking about here? A link to a web address or
what? And what are you using to execute the link? I ask because I have
links to URL's and don't get this happen.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





--------- Original Message --------
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
Date: 14/10/03 14:13


When I go from a form to a link and
then return the form is minimized and
at the bottom of the screen. Does
anyone know how to automatically have
the original form go back to the
maximized state after the link is
closed?
Thanks in advance
John
Eget

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I made a link to a spreadsheet and another to a word document on a form.
When I return the form is minimized and most operators cannot handle
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 12:28:30 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <00d501c39276$0538ca70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
        <24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <00d501c39276$0538ca70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <45570.12.3.132.98.1066152510.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I already got the module from Andy's website, but it only had for Mac*s
I'll go o yours now, thank you

> ...go to www.colbyconsulting.com and dl the ProperCase sample db there
> ...it'll give you what you're looking for ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:40 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>
>
>> Hey Group,
>> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
>> McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac
>> respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter
>> in word is "O")
>>
>>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
>> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de"
>> varies. Am I missing anything ?
>>
>>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 12:30:37 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>

This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 14 12:32:56 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:32:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
References: <200310141524.h9EFOBe01916@databaseadvisors.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20031014104733.02684d40@pop3.highstream.net>
 <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <3F8C3348.7070205@shaw.ca>

Code is okay, it will fail with a subscript error if there are less than 
9 fields or perhaps if this is a Unix file with a terminating LF instead 
of CR LF
Put in a UBound(aRecord) + 1 to count number of fields.

oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

>Hey Group
>I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
>changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to monthdateyear(01231998) format.
>So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
>yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and tested it at
>home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
>aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to table. Now it
>doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>
>
>Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>Dim strLine As String
>Dim aRecord
>Dim strSQL As String
>Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>
>If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>
>    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>
>    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>
>        strLine = ts.ReadLine
>        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>
>        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>
>        Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>
>        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
>        'con.Execute (strSQL)
>
>    Loop
>Else
>     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>End If
>
>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 12:49:12 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:49:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3942419285.20031014194912@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

If you only have a few rows as shown I don't think you have any other
possibility than trying the different combinations using some loops.

You could, of course, start by ruling out some of the impossible
combinations by adding all the negatives and all the positives; here
it will return -5 and +18 which shows that 7 can be ruled out as it is
larger than the absolute value of the sum of negatives. On the other
hand, -2 and -3 must be included in any combination as the absolute
value of the sum of these equals the smallest positive number, 5.

If you have many rows you'll have to find some smarter routines as the
number of combinations increase dramatically.

/gustav


> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.

> Example:

> MyField
>    5
>   -2
>    7
>   -3
>    6

> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 


From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 13:00:10 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <3942419285.20031014194912@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you Gustav,
 
The number of rows may vary with each client. This will be an accounting feature. There will be a client number and that's how I will group. A client could have one record or ten records. I was looking for something efficient and something that I could load a couple of variables which would be the number of records and an array of the values.
 
Thanks again.

Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: 
Hi Lonnie

If you only have a few rows as shown I don't think you have any other
possibility than trying the different combinations using some loops.

You could, of course, start by ruling out some of the impossible
combinations by adding all the negatives and all the positives; here
it will return -5 and +18 which shows that 7 can be ruled out as it is
larger than the absolute value of the sum of negatives. On the other
hand, -2 and -3 must be included in any combination as the absolute
value of the sum of these equals the smallest positive number, 5.

If you have many rows you'll have to find some smarter routines as the
number of combinations increase dramatically.

/gustav


> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.

> Example:

> MyField
> 5
> -2
> 7
> -3
> 6

> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 

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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Oct 14 13:03:01 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:03:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E3F@NT04.karta.com>

Lonnie,
I'm just curious... why do you want to know this?
Is there a finite number of field or is the field number dynamic?
What are you going to do with the answer?
 
Jim

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From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


 
This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



Lonnie Johnson
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 13:07:20 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:07:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014105625.02624960@pop3.highstream.net>
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Hi Robert

Just a note.

>>The exceptions are only those where the numbers exceed the capacity of
>>your database engine, normally at least 14 digits (Jet: Currency) and
>>a Long Integer is always available which holds 9 digits.

> RLS:  By using scientific notation, you can go past this also.
> Decimal = 10 ^28 -1

That's right but the Decimal datatype was not used by the Jet engine
before version 4 (Access 2000). For A97 and earlier that means you
would have to store it in some fancy way using compound fields or,
say, like a string! 

/gustav


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 13:18:28 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:18:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
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Thanks, I'll declare aRecord as string. Its this part I am having trouble
with

strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
con.Execute (strSQL)

Where do I specify to what table, and to what fields (in this database) do
I want records to be inserted ?
Also, Access97 doesn't have split function ? I did that part at home on
Access2000

> Some ideas:
>
> I assume what you are saying is that the date is stored in your csv
> table as yyyymmdd and access is reading it as mmddyyyy (ie american date
> format) and thus your dates are screwed up.
>
> Using dim aRecord as you have will default the variable to a variant.
> (A side note, I always explicity declare, that way I avoid unexpected
> surprises if MS decides to change the default behaviour)
>
> I don't know what split does, but I am assuming it tries to guess what
> the variable type is and then stores it as that type.  I would first
> check your PC date format, but I suspect that you will be stuck with US
> interpretation and will have to "manually" force the date to be read the
> correct manner.
>
> First suggestion would be to dim aRecord as a string.  This will force
> the date (and other fields) to be stored as they appear in the csv file.
>  Then you can split the date field using left$/right$/mid$ and datepart.
>
> If I am incorrectly guessing what your problem is, maybe someelse will
> have a better idea.
>
> Stuart
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2003 12:10 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
>>
>>
>> Hey Group
>> I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
>> changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to
>> monthdateyear(01231998) format.
>> So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
>> yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and
>> tested it at
>> home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
>> aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to
>> table. Now it
>> doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>>
>>
>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim aRecord
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>
>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>>
>>     Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>
>>     Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>
>>         strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>         aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>>
>>         aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>
>>         Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>>
>>         strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," &
>> aRecord(8) & ")"
>>         'con.Execute (strSQL)
>>
>>     Loop
>> Else
>>      MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>> End If
>>
>>
>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 13:52:34 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:52:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17846221523.20031014205234@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

So a maximum would be 10 rows?
Like Jim, out of curiosity, what is this accounting feature? Balancing
of payments or bank transactions?

/gustav


> Thank you Gustav,
 
> The number of rows may vary with each client. This will be an accounting feature. There will be a client number and that's how I will group. A client could have one record or ten records. I was
> looking for something efficient and something that I could load a couple of variables which would be the number of records and an array of the values.
 
> Thanks again.

> Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: 
> Hi Lonnie

> If you only have a few rows as shown I don't think you have any other
> possibility than trying the different combinations using some loops.

> You could, of course, start by ruling out some of the impossible
> combinations by adding all the negatives and all the positives; here
> it will return -5 and +18 which shows that 7 can be ruled out as it is
> larger than the absolute value of the sum of negatives. On the other
> hand, -2 and -3 must be included in any combination as the absolute
> value of the sum of these equals the smallest positive number, 5.

> If you have many rows you'll have to find some smarter routines as the
> number of combinations increase dramatically.

> /gustav


>> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.

>> Example:

>> MyField
>> 5
>> -2
>> 7
>> -3
>> 6

>> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 14 13:58:14 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:58:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
References: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <00df01c39278$07232360$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
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Message-ID: <3F8C4746.4090707@shaw.ca>

Here are some Access 97 replacement functions
Not fully tested

 Function Split(ByVal Expression As String, Optional Delimiter = " ", _
  Optional limit As Long = -1, Optional Compare As Integer = 
vbBinaryCompare _
              ) As Variant
'*******************************************
'Name:      Split (Function)
'Purpose:   Emulates the A2k/A2k2 Split function
'Author:    Terry Kreft
'Date:      December 13, 2001, 02:47:07
'Called by: Any
'Calls:     None
'Inputs:
' Expression - The string to split
' Delimiter  - The delimiter to split on
' limit      - How many terms to return
'              (Default -1 return all terms)
' Compare    - How to make the string comparison
'              for the delimiter
'              This should be
'                vbBinaryCompare   = 0 (Default)
'                vbTextCompare     = 1
'                vbDatabaseCompare = 2
'Output:
'*******************************************

  Dim varValues As Variant
  Dim lngCount As Long
  Dim intInstr As Integer
  Dim intLenDelim As Integer
  Const ARRAY_LOW_BOUND = 0

  On Error GoTo Split_err

  varValues = Array()
  If limit <> 0 Then
    lngCount = 0
    intLenDelim = Len(Delimiter)
    intInstr = InStr(1, Expression, Delimiter, Compare)
    Do While intInstr <> 0 And lngCount - limit + 1 <> 0
      ReDim Preserve varValues(ARRAY_LOW_BOUND To lngCount)
      varValues(lngCount) = Left(Expression, intInstr - 1)
      Expression = Mid(Expression, intInstr + intLenDelim)
      intInstr = InStr(1, Expression, Delimiter, Compare)
      lngCount = lngCount + 1
    Loop
    If Len(Expression) <> 0 Then
      ReDim Preserve varValues(ARRAY_LOW_BOUND To lngCount)
      varValues(lngCount) = Expression
    End If
  End If
  Split = varValues
Split_end:
Exit Function
Split_err:
  With Err
    MsgBox .Number & ": " & .Description, vbExclamation, .Source
  End With
  Resume Split_end
End Function

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B188007

Option Explicit

      Public Function Join(source() As String, Optional _
            sDelim As String = " ") As String
      Dim sOut As String, iC As Integer
      On Error GoTo errh:
          For iC = LBound(source) To UBound(source) - 1
              sOut = sOut & source(iC) & sDelim
          Next
          sOut = sOut & source(iC)
          Join = sOut
          Exit Function
      errh:
          Err.Raise Err.Number
      End Function

      Public Function ReadUntil(ByRef sIn As String, _
            sDelim As String, Optional bCompare As VbCompareMethod _
          = vbBinaryCompare) As String
          Dim nPos As String
          nPos = InStr(1, sIn, sDelim, bCompare)
          If nPos > 0 Then
              ReadUntil = Left(sIn, nPos - 1)
              sIn = Mid(sIn, nPos + Len(sDelim))
          End If
      End Function

      Public Function StrReverse(ByVal sIn As String) As String
          Dim nC As Integer, sOut As String
          For nC = Len(sIn) To 1 Step -1
          sOut = sOut & Mid(sIn, nC, 1)
          Next
          StrReverse = sOut
      End Function

      Public Function InStrRev(ByVal sIn As String, sFind As String, _
       Optional nStart As Long = 1, Optional bCompare As _
            VbCompareMethod = vbBinaryCompare) As Long
          Dim nPos As Long
          sIn = StrReverse(sIn)
          sFind = StrReverse(sFind)
          nPos = InStr(nStart, sIn, sFind, bCompare)
          If nPos = 0 Then
              InStrRev = 0
          Else
              InStrRev = Len(sIn) - nPos - Len(sFind) + 2
          End If
      End Function

      Public Function Replace(sIn As String, sFind As String, _
            sReplace As String, Optional nStart As Long = 1, _
            Optional nCount As Long = -1, Optional bCompare As _
            VbCompareMethod = vbBinaryCompare) As String

          Dim nC As Long, nPos As Integer, sOut As String
          sOut = sIn
          nPos = InStr(nStart, sOut, sFind, bCompare)
          If nPos = 0 Then GoTo EndFn:
          Do
              nC = nC + 1
              sOut = Left(sOut, nPos - 1) & sReplace & _
                 Mid(sOut, nPos + Len(sFind))
              If nCount <> -1 And nC >= nCount Then Exit Do
              nPos = InStr(nStart, sOut, sFind, bCompare)
          Loop While nPos > 0
      EndFn:
          Replace = sOut
      End Function

Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

>Thanks, I'll declare aRecord as string. Its this part I am having trouble
>with
>
>strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
>con.Execute (strSQL)
>
>Where do I specify to what table, and to what fields (in this database) do
>I want records to be inserted ?
>Also, Access97 doesn't have split function ? I did that part at home on
>Access2000
>
>  
>
>>Some ideas:
>>
>>I assume what you are saying is that the date is stored in your csv
>>table as yyyymmdd and access is reading it as mmddyyyy (ie american date
>>format) and thus your dates are screwed up.
>>
>>Using dim aRecord as you have will default the variable to a variant.
>>(A side note, I always explicity declare, that way I avoid unexpected
>>surprises if MS decides to change the default behaviour)
>>
>>I don't know what split does, but I am assuming it tries to guess what
>>the variable type is and then stores it as that type.  I would first
>>check your PC date format, but I suspect that you will be stuck with US
>>interpretation and will have to "manually" force the date to be read the
>>correct manner.
>>
>>First suggestion would be to dim aRecord as a string.  This will force
>>the date (and other fields) to be stored as they appear in the csv file.
>> Then you can split the date field using left$/right$/mid$ and datepart.
>>
>>If I am incorrectly guessing what your problem is, maybe someelse will
>>have a better idea.
>>
>>Stuart
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>>Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2003 12:10 AM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Group
>>>I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
>>>changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to
>>>monthdateyear(01231998) format.
>>>So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
>>>yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and
>>>tested it at
>>>home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
>>>aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to
>>>table. Now it
>>>doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>>>Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>>>Dim strLine As String
>>>Dim aRecord
>>>Dim strSQL As String
>>>Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>>
>>>If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>>>
>>>    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>>>testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>>
>>>    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>>
>>>        strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>>        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>>>
>>>        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>>
>>>        Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>>>
>>>        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," &
>>>aRecord(8) & ")"
>>>        'con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>>    Loop
>>>Else
>>>     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>>>End If
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From j.frederick at att.net  Tue Oct 14 14:04:30 2003
From: j.frederick at att.net (John Frederick)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:04:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
In-Reply-To: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <KIEBKJDMKEHOPCJLKNAFAEKKCBAA.j.frederick@att.net>

I have a mailing list app and regularly need to load new contact information
from magazines and conferences with a variety of formats.  For a one time
load of a comma delimited format, my procedure is as follows:
1.  Import, choosing the new table and assign primary key options.  If some
data is rejected, change all the field definitions to the most permissive
formats: text 255.  The objective is to get all the data into Access any way
I can and deal with format problems later.
2.  Make a copy of the eventual target table to stage the new data.
3.  Make an append query that maps the input data to the formats required
for the new table using name mapping in the query.  Map the Access assiged
Key in the input into the key field in the staging table.  If it takes some
update queries, You can link the tables using the primary keys.
4.  Review it by eye to check for gross errors and repeat until you like the
results.
5.  run a basic append query to add the data to the production table.

If there is a requirement from more inputs of the same formst, you can put
the machinery on a button for the client as follows:
1.  Rename the Access-generated input table to tmptblxxx and keep it.
2.  Go into the saved formats(non-trivial - email if you need to know how)
and change the name to something meaningful.  I'm not sure it matters, but I
change all the field definitions to the most permissive: text 255.
3.  Do code that
	a. empties both the input and staging tables
	b. runs DoCmd.TransferText to bring in the input.
	c. runs your append query to move the data from the input to staging
tables.
	d. runs a normal select query: DoCmd.OpenQuery to let the client see the
data as it will look when appended to his production table.
	e. runs an append query to move the data from the staging to production
table WITHOUT THE PRIMARY KEY AUTONUMBER FIELD, so keys will be assigned
consistent with the production table.  If you need to know the primary key
values assigned so that you can do related tables, you need to do this step
in code.  After the Addnew, but before the Update, you can read the new key
value.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table


Hey Group
I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to monthdateyear(01231998) format.
So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and tested it at
home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to table. Now it
doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?


Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection

If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then

    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")

        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)

        Debug.Print aRecord(8)

        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
        'con.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If




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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 14:07:29 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:07:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB872@nnse14.nns.com>

I just received an Excel spreadsheet with a date column.  The dates display
as "8/22/2003", however the cell contains "8/22/2003  2:00:00 PM".  How can
I import this data into Access retaining only the date "8/22/2003"?  Prior
to this submittal I could link to the spreadsheet and copy/paste the records
with no massaging of data required.  They obviously have changed their
export routine.


Mark

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 14:25:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:25:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
Message-ID: <01df01c39288$edc89920$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is open?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 14:29:10 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] subform loaded
Message-ID: <20031014192910.25718.qmail@web9805.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know how to tell if a subform is loaded or not?
 
Thanks!
 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 14:34:22 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:34:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB872@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB872@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <45232.12.3.132.98.1066160062.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mark,

what about importing/linking the excel data to access and setting Data
Type - Date/Time, Format - Short Date  ?

> I just received an Excel spreadsheet with a date column.  The dates
> display as "8/22/2003", however the cell contains "8/22/2003  2:00:00
> PM".  How can I import this data into Access retaining only the date
> "8/22/2003"?  Prior to this submittal I could link to the spreadsheet
> and copy/paste the records with no massaging of data required.  They
> obviously have changed their export routine.
>
>
> Mark
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 14:50:39 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:50:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312380@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You could use WithEvents from the calling form to open the report and
trap the Report_OnClose event.  The code in the routine that opens the
report would end after opening the report, but the local OnClose event
for the report would trigger whatever code you put into that custom
routine.  That's the way I normally do it.  Does it sound completely
confused?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


Dear List:
 
Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is
open?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 14 15:20:22 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:20:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C66@EXCHMAIL>

Oleg, I also made one up several years back. The code is a bit ugly, but it works great. I even allow an optional parameter to prompt the user if they want to correct certain 2 and 3 letter words such as:

 In the example "AAA Insurance", do you want to choose:

		1. aaa
		2. Aaa
		3. AAA


Check it out at:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#McAfee,David

(I'll get around to cleaning up the code "Some" day :)

HTH
David McAfee

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


I already got the module from Andy's website, but it only had for Mac*s
I'll go o yours now, thank you

> ...go to www.colbyconsulting.com and dl the ProperCase sample db there
> ...it'll give you what you're looking for ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:40 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>
>
>> Hey Group,
>> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
>> McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac
>> respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter
>> in word is "O")
>>
>>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
>> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de"
>> varies. Am I missing anything ?

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 15:25:18 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:25:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB874@nnse14.nns.com>

Oleg_123,

Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your
suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When the
format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a time
component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative implications?
Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in criteria?  I hope
not...


Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access


Mark,

what about importing/linking the excel data to access and setting Data Type
- Date/Time, Format - Short Date  ?

> I just received an Excel spreadsheet with a date column.  The dates 
> display as "8/22/2003", however the cell contains "8/22/2003  2:00:00 
> PM".  How can I import this data into Access retaining only the date 
> "8/22/2003"?  Prior to this submittal I could link to the spreadsheet 
> and copy/paste the records with no massaging of data required.  They 
> obviously have changed their export routine.
>
>
> Mark
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 15:29:22 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
Message-ID: <20031014202922.3980.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that may or may not be the user's default printer.
 
Does anyone know how to do this using code.
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 15:34:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:34:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312381@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You didn't mention the version of Access.  AXP has a printers
collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls to get
printer information.  Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you have to
change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if you have
an MDE.  Can you fill in some of the details?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that may or
may not be the user's default printer.
 
Does anyone know how to do this using code.
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 15:44:56 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:44:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
In-Reply-To: <3F8C4746.4090707@shaw.ca>
References: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <00df01c39278$07232360$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
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Marty, thanks, you are a lifesaver.

> Here are some Access 97 replacement functions
> Not fully tested
>
>  Function Split(ByVal Expression As String, Optional Delimiter = " ", _
>   Optional limit As Long = -1, Optional Compare As Integer =
> vbBinaryCompare _
>               ) As Variant
> '*******************************************
> 'Name:      Split (Function)
> 'Purpose:   Emulates the A2k/A2k2 Split function
> 'Author:    Terry Kreft
> 'Date:      December 13, 2001, 02:47:07
> 'Called by: Any
> 'Calls:     None
> 'Inputs:
> ' Expression - The string to split
> ' Delimiter  - The delimiter to split on
> ' limit      - How many terms to return
> '              (Default -1 return all terms)
> ' Compare    - How to make the string comparison
> '              for the delimiter
> '              This should be
> '                vbBinaryCompare   = 0 (Default)
> '                vbTextCompare     = 1
> '                vbDatabaseCompare = 2
> 'Output:
> '*******************************************
>
>   Dim varValues As Variant
>   Dim lngCount As Long
>   Dim intInstr As Integer
>   Dim intLenDelim As Integer
>   Const ARRAY_LOW_BOUND = 0
>
>   On Error GoTo Split_err
>
>   varValues = Array()
>   If limit <> 0 Then
>     lngCount = 0
>     intLenDelim = Len(Delimiter)
>     intInstr = InStr(1, Expression, Delimiter, Compare)
>     Do While intInstr <> 0 And lngCount - limit + 1 <> 0
>       ReDim Preserve varValues(ARRAY_LOW_BOUND To lngCount)
>       varValues(lngCount) = Left(Expression, intInstr - 1)
>       Expression = Mid(Expression, intInstr + intLenDelim)
>       intInstr = InStr(1, Expression, Delimiter, Compare)
>       lngCount = lngCount + 1
>     Loop
>     If Len(Expression) <> 0 Then
>       ReDim Preserve varValues(ARRAY_LOW_BOUND To lngCount)
>       varValues(lngCount) = Expression
>     End If
>   End If
>   Split = varValues
> Split_end:
> Exit Function
> Split_err:
>   With Err
>     MsgBox .Number & ": " & .Description, vbExclamation, .Source
>   End With
>   Resume Split_end
> End Function
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B188007
>
> Option Explicit
>
>       Public Function Join(source() As String, Optional _
>             sDelim As String = " ") As String
>       Dim sOut As String, iC As Integer
>       On Error GoTo errh:
>           For iC = LBound(source) To UBound(source) - 1
>               sOut = sOut & source(iC) & sDelim
>           Next
>           sOut = sOut & source(iC)
>           Join = sOut
>           Exit Function
>       errh:
>           Err.Raise Err.Number
>       End Function
>
>       Public Function ReadUntil(ByRef sIn As String, _
>             sDelim As String, Optional bCompare As VbCompareMethod _
>           = vbBinaryCompare) As String
>           Dim nPos As String
>           nPos = InStr(1, sIn, sDelim, bCompare)
>           If nPos > 0 Then
>               ReadUntil = Left(sIn, nPos - 1)
>               sIn = Mid(sIn, nPos + Len(sDelim))
>           End If
>       End Function
>
>       Public Function StrReverse(ByVal sIn As String) As String
>           Dim nC As Integer, sOut As String
>           For nC = Len(sIn) To 1 Step -1
>           sOut = sOut & Mid(sIn, nC, 1)
>           Next
>           StrReverse = sOut
>       End Function
>
>       Public Function InStrRev(ByVal sIn As String, sFind As String, _
>        Optional nStart As Long = 1, Optional bCompare As _
>             VbCompareMethod = vbBinaryCompare) As Long
>           Dim nPos As Long
>           sIn = StrReverse(sIn)
>           sFind = StrReverse(sFind)
>           nPos = InStr(nStart, sIn, sFind, bCompare)
>           If nPos = 0 Then
>               InStrRev = 0
>           Else
>               InStrRev = Len(sIn) - nPos - Len(sFind) + 2
>           End If
>       End Function
>
>       Public Function Replace(sIn As String, sFind As String, _
>             sReplace As String, Optional nStart As Long = 1, _
>             Optional nCount As Long = -1, Optional bCompare As _
>             VbCompareMethod = vbBinaryCompare) As String
>
>           Dim nC As Long, nPos As Integer, sOut As String
>           sOut = sIn
>           nPos = InStr(nStart, sOut, sFind, bCompare)
>           If nPos = 0 Then GoTo EndFn:
>           Do
>               nC = nC + 1
>               sOut = Left(sOut, nPos - 1) & sReplace & _
>                  Mid(sOut, nPos + Len(sFind))
>               If nCount <> -1 And nC >= nCount Then Exit Do
>               nPos = InStr(nStart, sOut, sFind, bCompare)
>           Loop While nPos > 0
>       EndFn:
>           Replace = sOut
>       End Function
>
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:
>
>>Thanks, I'll declare aRecord as string. Its this part I am having
>> trouble with
>>
>>strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>
>>Where do I specify to what table, and to what fields (in this database)
>> do I want records to be inserted ?
>>Also, Access97 doesn't have split function ? I did that part at home on
>> Access2000
>>
>>
>>
>>>Some ideas:
>>>
>>>I assume what you are saying is that the date is stored in your csv
>>> table as yyyymmdd and access is reading it as mmddyyyy (ie american
>>> date format) and thus your dates are screwed up.
>>>
>>>Using dim aRecord as you have will default the variable to a variant.
>>> (A side note, I always explicity declare, that way I avoid unexpected
>>> surprises if MS decides to change the default behaviour)
>>>
>>>I don't know what split does, but I am assuming it tries to guess what
>>> the variable type is and then stores it as that type.  I would first
>>> check your PC date format, but I suspect that you will be stuck with
>>> US interpretation and will have to "manually" force the date to be
>>> read the correct manner.
>>>
>>>First suggestion would be to dim aRecord as a string.  This will force
>>> the date (and other fields) to be stored as they appear in the csv
>>> file.
>>> Then you can split the date field using left$/right$/mid$ and
>>> datepart.
>>>
>>>If I am incorrectly guessing what your problem is, maybe someelse will
>>> have a better idea.
>>>
>>>Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2003 12:10 AM
>>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey Group
>>>>I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
>>>> changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to
>>>>monthdateyear(01231998) format.
>>>>So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
>>>> yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and
>>>>tested it at
>>>>home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
>>>>aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to
>>>>table. Now it
>>>>doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>>>>Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>>>>Dim strLine As String
>>>>Dim aRecord
>>>>Dim strSQL As String
>>>>Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>>>
>>>>If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv")
>>>> Then
>>>>
>>>>    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>>>>testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>>>
>>>>    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>>>
>>>>        strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>>>        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>>>>
>>>>        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>>>
>>>>        Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>>>>
>>>>        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," &
>>>>aRecord(8) & ")"
>>>>        'con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>>
>>>>    Loop
>>>>Else
>>>>     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>>>>End If
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>
> --
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 14 15:46:32 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:46:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310142026.h9EKQIe22012@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014153850.02623c50@pop3.highstream.net>

Gustav,

Okay, you win.  8-)

I have not used 97 in more than a few years.

I think we will agree to disagree.  I love the
way my Base 36 system works and have converted
a number of the developers that I mentor through
the Special Interest Group I have been a leader
of for about 14 years.  But, then again, I have
only been using it for about 4 years.  So I have
a checkered past of using different things also.
But, I also do not beat them with my shillelagh
to get them to use it.

Robert

P.S.  shillelagh is an Irish weapon like a war club

At 03:26 PM 10/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:07:20 +0200
>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <15443507981.20031014200720 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hi Robert
>
>Just a note.
>
> >>The exceptions are only those where the numbers exceed the capacity of
> >>your database engine, normally at least 14 digits (Jet: Currency) and
> >>a Long Integer is always available which holds 9 digits.
>
> > RLS:  By using scientific notation, you can go past this also.
> > Decimal = 10 ^28 -1
>
>That's right but the Decimal datatype was not used by the Jet engine
>before version 4 (Access 2000). For A97 and earlier that means you
>would have to store it in some fancy way using compound fields or,
>say, like a string!
>
>/gustav



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 15:51:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:51:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a
	 form.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227323@main2.marlow.com>

If events are used, then they need to be in a Class Module.  Forms are Class
modules, so they can handle the events, but you can use just a plain class
module to reference an activeX control with events.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on
a form.


Don't controls (ActiveX or otherwise) always need a host (form)?  How is it
possible in VB?

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a form.



I tought it was posible to load an activex control in VBA so a form is not
needed.
I cant seem to find the right command for this.
Maybe I'm mistaking that this is only posible in VB.



Erwin Craps
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 15:52:21 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:52:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table (almost done)
In-Reply-To: <KIEBKJDMKEHOPCJLKNAFAEKKCBAA.j.frederick@att.net>
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ok, thanks to Marty. 80% of it works as it worked yesterday on Access2000.
Now I just need to insert to access table, and from there, I'll know how
to take it.
 strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(1) &
"," & aRecord(2) & "," & aRecord(3) & "," & aRecord(4) & "," & aRecord(5)
& "," & aRecord(6) & "," & aRecord(7) & "," & aRecord(7) & "," &
aRecord(8) & ")"
    con.Execute (strSQL)

This is not doing giving some enigmatic error message about "Operation not
allowed when the object is closed"


    Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
    Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
    Dim strLine As String
    Dim aRecord
    Dim strSQL As String
    Dim con As New ADODB.Connection

    If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then

    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
       strLine = ts.ReadLine
    'Debug.Print strLine
    aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
    aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
    Debug.Print aRecord(8)

     strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(1)
& "," & aRecord(2) & "," & aRecord(3) & "," & aRecord(4) & "," &
aRecord(5) & "," & aRecord(6) & "," & aRecord(7) & "," & aRecord(7) &
"," & aRecord(8) & ")"
    con.Execute (strSQL)
    Loop
    Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
    End If



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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 15:58:23 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:58:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB874@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB874@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <26152.12.3.132.98.1066165103.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mark,

as far as I know (not 100% sure) Short Date is just a format, the record
10/14/2003 4:56:45 will be kept as such, but if choose "short date" the
table will only show the first part. As far as I know if you write just
10/14/2003, the sysem will assume you meant 12 midnight; and all
calculations such as such subtructing that date from Now() would use 12
midnight. I don't imagine format having any impact on calculations, but
perhaps someone else will have a diff opinion

Oleg
(not Oleg_123)

> Oleg_123,
>
> Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your
> suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When
> the format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a
> time component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative
> implications? Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in
> criteria?  I hope not...
>
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
>
>
> Mark,
>
> what about importing/linking the excel data to access and setting Data
> Type - Date/Time, Format - Short Date  ?
>
>> I just received an Excel spreadsheet with a date column.  The dates
>> display as "8/22/2003", however the cell contains "8/22/2003  2:00:00
>> PM".  How can I import this data into Access retaining only the date
>> "8/22/2003"?  Prior to this submittal I could link to the spreadsheet
>> and copy/paste the records with no massaging of data required.  They
>> obviously have changed their export routine.
>>
>>
>> Mark
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 16:10:57 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312381@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20031014211057.61166.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry, I am using office XP and I be compling the application into an mde.
 
Thanks in advance!

Dale

Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
You didn't mention the version of Access. AXP has a printers
collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls to get
printer information. Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you have to
change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if you have
an MDE. Can you fill in some of the details?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that may or
may not be the user's default printer.

Does anyone know how to do this using code.

Thanks in advance!

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:12:10 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:12:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227325@main2.marlow.com>

He did know what he was talking about.  <grin>  Numbers are only 4 bytes
(long integers).  7 'digits' with text, take up 8 bytes (one byte to
determine the length, 7 bytes for the text itself).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit
number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).
Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm considering
changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a
few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is
there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data type?  I
remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text, but I'm
not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

TIA,
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:15:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:15:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227326@main2.marlow.com>

Zip codes aren't actually numbers, since they can have an extension.  It's a
string then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes
> everything text unless an actual calculation must be
> performed, even when that doesn't necessarily make sense
> in context. I believe that if its a number it should be
> treated as a number unless there is a very compelling
> reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate,
> >you should use text.  And that a number data type
> >requires additional resources in order for the field to
> >have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:18:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:18:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227327@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because it's
looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored as
a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
range!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:22:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:22:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227328@main2.marlow.com>

I disagree.  Actually, I agree, because there is NEVER a situation where a
field of numbers is not going to have math applied to it.  Let's not forget
that our computers are nothing but math and logic.  Therefore, any data
manipulation requires math.

If you have a field, that is going to have numeric values, MAKE IT A NUMERIC
FIELD?  What possible advantage is there in making it a text field?  Now, if
it may contain alpha characters, or non-alphanumeric characters, then of
course make it a text field.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Stewart [mailto:rl_stewart at highstream.net]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type


List,

Simple rule...

If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.

All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
Everything will be sorted correctly.

The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>
<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
>in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
>treating such an entry as a number?
>
>I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:32:06 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:32:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227329@main2.marlow.com>

Try this...	

Public Declare Function DestroyWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long) As
Long

Function fDestroyWindow(WindowName As String)
On Error GoTo erlevel
Dim winHwnd As Long
Dim RetVal As Long
winHwnd = FindWindow(vbNullString, WindowName)
If winHwnd <> 0 Then
RetVal = DestroyWindow(winHwnd)
End If
erlevel:
End Function

It's probably not the best method.....I know there are API's to kill
threads, but this was in an old project of mine, so it was the first thing I
had handy.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager


Hello All,

Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can call from A97 to

kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?

Thanks,

Mark

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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Tue Oct 14 16:34:20 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:34:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D5D16@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

I seriously doubt that is true.  I would think that if the first digit was
less than 7 or greater than 8, it would immediately stop comparing that
record and go on to the next.

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because it's
looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored as
a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
range!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 16:35:09 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:35:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312382@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In that case, I think you have only one choice, which is changing the
default printer temporarily and then changing it back.  An MDE isn't
going to let you open a report in design view, which is what you have to
do in order to change the printer and then save it.  Maybe someone else
has had success using the report's printers collection in an mde, but I
haven't tried it.

How were you planning to insure that the specific printer is available
to the target system?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


Sorry, I am using office XP and I be compling the application into an
mde.
 
Thanks in advance!

Dale

Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:

	You didn't mention the version of Access. AXP has a printers
	collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls
to get
	printer information. Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you
have to
	change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if
you have
	an MDE. Can you fill in some of the details?
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
	
	
	I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that
may or
	may not be the user's default printer.
	
	Does anyone know how to do this using code.
	
	Thanks in advance!
	
	Dale
	
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 14 16:40:48 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:40:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB874@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3F8CFA00.7718.5A59DC@localhost>

On 14 Oct 2003 at 16:25, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Oleg_123,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your
> suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When the
> format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a time
> component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative implications?
> Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in criteria?  I hope
> not...
> 


The display format doesn't have any effect on the underlying data so 
won't affect date calculations. 

It can however mislead you into making errors in you criteria.

If you are displaying Date/Time records just as a date, you may be 
fooled into thinking that they only contain date info.  If the 
underlying data is "15 Oct 2003 07:30",  you will not get a match if 
you filter for Date = "15 Oct 2003"

If you only want the date part, you should strip off any fractional 
(time)  part when importing the data using Int() 

 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:43:09 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:43:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732A@main2.marlow.com>

How many records are we talking about, maximum?  There is an easy way to do
this in JET if you don't have too many field to deal with. (It would need to
be under the max number of fields you can have in a query)
 
Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


 
This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



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From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:43:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] subform loaded
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732B@main2.marlow.com>

Do you mean detecting if a form is a subform, or if a subform control has a
subform in it?
 
Drew

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Subject: [AccessD] subform loaded


Does anyone know how to tell if a subform is loaded or not?
 
Thanks!
 
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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Tue Oct 14 16:48:38 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:48:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
In-Reply-To: <200310141407.h9EE7G1M024591@vger.vgernet.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3929c$f08ef500$3f320cd8@hargrove.internal>

DoCmd.Restore

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com



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Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return


When I go from a form to a link and 
then return the form is minimized and 
at the bottom of the screen. Does 
anyone know how to automatically have 
the original form go back to the 
maximized state after the link is 
closed?
Thanks in advance
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:49:10 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:49:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732C@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, but narrow the search down.  It is still going to take longer to
compare a string with two strings then to compare numbers.  Even comparing
the first character is going to take longer then comparing numbers.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria
[mailto:Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


I seriously doubt that is true.  I would think that if the first digit was
less than 7 or greater than 8, it would immediately stop comparing that
record and go on to the next.

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because it's
looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored as
a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
range!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Tue Oct 14 17:01:37 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:01:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312382@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003501c3929e$bed27ee0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Take a look at the 9/24/03 article at
http://www.augsd.org/Articles.html.  It is titled "Using the new
Printers Collection to control printing in an MDE".

Doug




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


In that case, I think you have only one choice, which is changing the
default printer temporarily and then changing it back.  An MDE isn't
going to let you open a report in design view, which is what you have to
do in order to change the printer and then save it.  Maybe someone else
has had success using the report's printers collection in an mde, but I
haven't tried it.

How were you planning to insure that the specific printer is available
to the target system?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


Sorry, I am using office XP and I be compling the application into an
mde.
 
Thanks in advance!

Dale

Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:

	You didn't mention the version of Access. AXP has a printers
	collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls
to get
	printer information. Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you
have to
	change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if
you have
	an MDE. Can you fill in some of the details?
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
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	Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
	
	
	I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that
may or
	may not be the user's default printer.
	
	Does anyone know how to do this using code.
	
	Thanks in advance!
	
	Dale
	
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 17:20:56 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:20:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB878@nnse14.nns.com>

I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
"glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 17:34:27 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:34:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB879@nnse14.nns.com>

Thank you so much Stuart.  You are absolutely right.  Even a right click
'filter by selection' will not result in matches for the same date because
of the time differences.  I've never used Int() with dates before and could
not find an example in MSDN.  Can you provide an example syntax?

TIA,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access


On 14 Oct 2003 at 16:25, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Oleg_123,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your 
> suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When 
> the format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a 
> time component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative 
> implications? Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in 
> criteria?  I hope not...
> 


The display format doesn't have any effect on the underlying data so 
won't affect date calculations. 

It can however mislead you into making errors in you criteria.

If you are displaying Date/Time records just as a date, you may be 
fooled into thinking that they only contain date info.  If the 
underlying data is "15 Oct 2003 07:30",  you will not get a match if 
you filter for Date = "15 Oct 2003"

If you only want the date part, you should strip off any fractional 
(time)  part when importing the data using Int() 

 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 17:50:29 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:50:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732E@main2.marlow.com>

What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join between
the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the other
fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
"glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 18:02:22 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:02:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312380@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <02bd01c392a7$39ddb250$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Charlotte:

Not completely confused.  Partially. :)

So what I have now is:

Some Code 1

DoCmd.OpenReport "rptX", acVeiwPreview

Some More Code 2

So I would put Some More Code 2 into another module and run it from the
OnClose event of the report?

How do I run that code from the OnClose event of the report?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky


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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


> You could use WithEvents from the calling form to open the report and
> trap the Report_OnClose event.  The code in the routine that opens the
> report would end after opening the report, but the local OnClose event
> for the report would trigger whatever code you put into that custom
> routine.  That's the way I normally do it.  Does it sound completely
> confused?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is
> open?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 18:06:08 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:06:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB87A@nnse14.nns.com>

Good plan...excellent in fact, but 255 is the max number of fields for a
query.  Take away the sum field that leaves 256 records to search.  Like I
said..."yikes":)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join between
the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the other
fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
"glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us



 


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 14 18:07:33 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:07:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c392a7$f324ba10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum to
zero?

William Hindman
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those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


> What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
between
> the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
> create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the
other
> fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
> accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
> little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
> would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
> possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
> records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
> repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
> "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
> To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
> take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the
values
> in the field equal zero.
>
> Example:
>
> MyField
>    5
>   -2
>    7
>   -3
>    6
>
> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
(5, -2, -3).
> I hope someone has something.
>
>
>
> Lonnie Johnson
> ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 18:20:01 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:20:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312389@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Rocky, 

I'm sending you a demo OL that shows you what I mean.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


Charlotte:

Not completely confused.  Partially. :)

So what I have now is:

Some Code 1

DoCmd.OpenReport "rptX", acVeiwPreview

Some More Code 2

So I would put Some More Code 2 into another module and run it from the
OnClose event of the report?

How do I run that code from the OnClose event of the report?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


> You could use WithEvents from the calling form to open the report and 
> trap the Report_OnClose event.  The code in the routine that opens the

> report would end after opening the report, but the local OnClose event

> for the report would trigger whatever code you put into that custom 
> routine.  That's the way I normally do it.  Does it sound completely 
> confused?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is 
> open?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 14 18:46:22 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:46:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB879@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3F8D176E.25861.CD5206@localhost>

On 14 Oct 2003 at 18:34, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Thank you so much Stuart.  You are absolutely right.  Even a right click
> 'filter by selection' will not result in matches for the same date because
> of the time differences.  I've never used Int() with dates before and could
> not find an example in MSDN.  Can you provide an example syntax?
> 

Since date/times are actually stored as a double with the whole 
number represents the date and the fractional part represents the 
time, using Int() will truncate to just the date part.

For existing data:
Docmd.RunSQL "Update myTable Set MyDate = Int(MyDate)"

Importing a CSV into a table:
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
DIm strA as string, strB as String,strC as String, strD as String
Set rs = CurrentDB.Openrecordset("MyTable")
Open "MyFile.CSV" for Input as #1
While Not EOF(1)
	Line Input #1, strA,StrB,StrC,strD
     rs.Addnew
     rs!MyNumber = Val(StrA) 
     rs!MyString = StrB
     rs!MyDateTime = Val(StrC)
     rs!MyDate = Int(Val(StrD))
     rs.Update
Wend
Close #1





 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 18:58:59 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:58:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312389@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <02f101c392af$2296dbf0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Charlotte:

Got it. It works!  Thanks so much.

It didn't at first until I saw your comment that the report has to have a
module for it to work.  So I put in blank procedures for Open, Close, and
NoData ad it worked.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


> Rocky,
>
> I'm sending you a demo OL that shows you what I mean.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Not completely confused.  Partially. :)
>
> So what I have now is:
>
> Some Code 1
>
> DoCmd.OpenReport "rptX", acVeiwPreview
>
> Some More Code 2
>
> So I would put Some More Code 2 into another module and run it from the
> OnClose event of the report?
>
> How do I run that code from the OnClose event of the report?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
>
>
> > You could use WithEvents from the calling form to open the report and
> > trap the Report_OnClose event.  The code in the routine that opens the
>
> > report would end after opening the report, but the local OnClose event
>
> > for the report would trigger whatever code you put into that custom
> > routine.  That's the way I normally do it.  Does it sound completely
> > confused?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is
> > open?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
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From djkr at msn.com  Tue Oct 14 19:25:25 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:25:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c392b2$d3d520e0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

I actually did some research on this a long time ago (>35 years) in
preparation for the computer typesetting of the British telephone
directories.  Some particular things I do recall - at least in British usage
- are:

- 'Mc' is *always* followed by a capital, but 'Mac' is *not*:  both
Macdonald and MacDonald are common, for instance.
- I think that an apostrophe was always followed by a capital.
- Likewise the letter after a hyphen.
- The letter before an apostrophe was most commonly capital 'O' of course,
but lowercase 'd' also occurred;  there are others, too, normally capitals.
- It's 'van' if you're from Belgium, but 'Van' from Holland - unless I've
forgotten and it's the opposite!

There were other rules too, but perhaps the most important one was that many
of the rules had exceptions.  There are even some surnames (very few) that
don't begin with a capital at all.

The most important part of my program was probably the human override
button.  ;->

HTH.  I hope you find a good compromise solution.

John  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: 14 October 2003 17:41
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
> 
> 
> Hey Group,
> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following 
> formats McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc 
> or Mac respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe 
> if first letter in word is "O")
> 
>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and 
> "de" varies. Am I missing anything ?
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 19:27:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:27:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Oh, yeah.  And then there are names like de la Something!  

Charlotte  Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


I actually did some research on this a long time ago (>35 years) in
preparation for the computer typesetting of the British telephone
directories.  Some particular things I do recall - at least in British
usage
- are:

- 'Mc' is *always* followed by a capital, but 'Mac' is *not*:  both
Macdonald and MacDonald are common, for instance.
- I think that an apostrophe was always followed by a capital.
- Likewise the letter after a hyphen.
- The letter before an apostrophe was most commonly capital 'O' of
course, but lowercase 'd' also occurred;  there are others, too,
normally capitals.
- It's 'van' if you're from Belgium, but 'Van' from Holland - unless
I've forgotten and it's the opposite!

There were other rules too, but perhaps the most important one was that
many of the rules had exceptions.  There are even some surnames (very
few) that don't begin with a capital at all.

The most important part of my program was probably the human override
button.  ;->

HTH.  I hope you find a good compromise solution.

John  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: 14 October 2003 17:41
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
> 
> 
> Hey Group,
> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following
> formats McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc 
> or Mac respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe 
> if first letter in word is "O")
> 
>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and
> "de" varies. Am I missing anything ?
> 
> 
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> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 13 19:35:51 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:35:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE07A@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIDCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Brett:

Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years,  with extensive
help, I may be able to get over a sever case of unicod-a-phobia.

Jim
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


  I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an excellent article
on Unicode and character encoding:

  The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must
Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!)
  Brett Barabash, MCP
  Tappe Construction, Co.
  Eagan, MN
  bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct 14 20:17:48 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:17:48 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
In-Reply-To: <003501c3929e$bed27ee0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312382@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031015141600.00b41e18@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

If the report will always be printed to the same printer, then in design 
view select Page Setup, Page tab.  You can select specific printer from 
here, then save the report.  Then create your mde.

David

At 14/10/2003, you wrote:
>Take a look at the 9/24/03 article at
>http://www.augsd.org/Articles.html.  It is titled "Using the new
>Printers Collection to control printing in an MDE".
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:35 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
>
>
>In that case, I think you have only one choice, which is changing the
>default printer temporarily and then changing it back.  An MDE isn't
>going to let you open a report in design view, which is what you have to
>do in order to change the printer and then save it.  Maybe someone else
>has had success using the report's printers collection in an mde, but I
>haven't tried it.
>
>How were you planning to insure that the specific printer is available
>to the target system?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
>
>
>Sorry, I am using office XP and I be compling the application into an
>mde.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Dale
>
>Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>
>         You didn't mention the version of Access. AXP has a printers
>         collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls
>to get
>         printer information. Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you
>have to
>         change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if
>you have
>         an MDE. Can you fill in some of the details?
>
>         Charlotte Foust
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com]
>         Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
>         To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
>
>
>         I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that
>may or
>         may not be the user's default printer.
>
>         Does anyone know how to do this using code.
>
>         Thanks in advance!
>
>         Dale
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 20:19:38 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:19:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1309.24.187.36.171.1066180778.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

"de la" is always lowercase as far as I know.
"Mac" is the biggest problem, like in Macarov "a" is lowercase but in
MacArthur - upper.

> Oh, yeah.  And then there are names like de la Something!
>
> Charlotte  Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>
>
> I actually did some research on this a long time ago (>35 years) in
> preparation for the computer typesetting of the British telephone
> directories.  Some particular things I do recall - at least in British
> usage
> - are:
>
> - 'Mc' is *always* followed by a capital, but 'Mac' is *not*:  both
> Macdonald and MacDonald are common, for instance.
> - I think that an apostrophe was always followed by a capital.
> - Likewise the letter after a hyphen.
> - The letter before an apostrophe was most commonly capital 'O' of
> course, but lowercase 'd' also occurred;  there are others, too,
> normally capitals.
> - It's 'van' if you're from Belgium, but 'Van' from Holland - unless
> I've forgotten and it's the opposite!
>
> There were other rules too, but perhaps the most important one was that
> many of the rules had exceptions.  There are even some surnames (very
> few) that don't begin with a capital at all.
>
> The most important part of my program was probably the human override
> button.  ;->
>
> HTH.  I hope you find a good compromise solution.
>
> John
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: 14 October 2003 17:41
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>>
>>
>> Hey Group,
>> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following
>> formats McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc
>> or Mac respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe
>> if first letter in word is "O")
>>
>>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
>> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and
>> "de" varies. Am I missing anything ?
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 20:29:27 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:29:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB879@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB879@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <1342.24.187.36.171.1066181367.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mark, its simply int(date) I gave an example below; however note that it
will automaticly make the date equal 12 midnight of that day. sometimes
its not useful.

Private Sub Command1_Click()
Dim a As Date
Dim b As Date
Dim c As Date
Dim d As Date

a = #12/12/1987 12:06:00 PM#
b = "07/09/2002 07:56:43 AM"

c = Int(a)
d = Int(b)

MsgBox (c) 'will give you 12/12/1987
MsgBox (d) 'will give you 7/9/2002 (not it ignores leading zeros)

 Thank you so much Stuart.  You are absolutely right.  Even a right click
> 'filter by selection' will not result in matches for the same date
> because of the time differences.  I've never used Int() with dates
> before and could not find an example in MSDN.  Can you provide an
> example syntax?
>
> TIA,
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
>
>
> On 14 Oct 2003 at 16:25, Mitsules, Mark wrote:
>
>> Oleg_123,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your
>> suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When
>>  the format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a
>> time component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative
>> implications? Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in
>> criteria?  I hope not...
>>
>
>
> The display format doesn't have any effect on the underlying data so
> won't affect date calculations.
>
> It can however mislead you into making errors in you criteria.
>
> If you are displaying Date/Time records just as a date, you may be
> fooled into thinking that they only contain date info.  If the
> underlying data is "15 Oct 2003 07:30",  you will not get a match if
> you filter for Date = "15 Oct 2003"
>
> If you only want the date part, you should strip off any fractional
> (time)  part when importing the data using Int()
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 14 20:54:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:54:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIDCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECAFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
internationalization...

LOL.  Not true, I am a HUGE fan of internationalization... where it makes
sense.

I don't suppose I've ever mentioned that I, PERSONALLY, have never needed
it?

<grin>
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:36 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


  Hi Brett:

  Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years,  with
extensive help, I may be able to get over a sever case of unicod-a-phobia.

  Jim
    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
    Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


    I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an excellent article
on Unicode and character encoding:

    The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively
Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!)
    Brett Barabash, MCP
    Tappe Construction, Co.
    Eagan, MN
    bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
    (651) 256-6831

    "One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a
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Subject: [AccessD] AdministriviaList Configuration Changes
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 14 21:23:23 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:23:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEPCELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oleg,
Von is not always capitilized. I don't know of any rule but quite often it
is all lowercase. For my ProperCase function I use a lookup table for
exceptions and have a edit form for the totally unusual situations.

HTH
John B.
WinHaven LLC
:o)

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> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:41 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>
>
> Hey Group,
> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
> McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac respectively)
> O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")
>
>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies. Am
> I missing anything ?
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 14 21:35:41 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:35:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEPCELAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c392c5$0694e620$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...same here ...a user updatable lookup table is the only way I know of
handling all of the different situations ...especially differences in
international capitalization and character glyphs ...that's why I
recommended Oleg visit Colby's site to dl Dave Bell's Proper Case sample db
...I use a variation of it in all of my apps. :)

William Hindman
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those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


> Oleg,
> Von is not always capitilized. I don't know of any rule but quite often it
> is all lowercase. For my ProperCase function I use a lookup table for
> exceptions and have a edit form for the totally unusual situations.
>
> HTH
> John B.
> WinHaven LLC
> :o)
>
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> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:41 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
> >
> >
> > Hey Group,
> > I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
> > McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac
respectively)
> > O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")
> >
> >  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> > I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies.
Am
> > I missing anything ?
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 14 22:15:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:15:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

As most list old-timers know, I use an Active/Trash system to flag records
that the user tries to delete (which have a child record) as Trash.

Basically I hold that cascade delete is a very powerful tool used mostly for
ripping the guts out of your database by users who shouldn't be doing so.
In order to prevent such shenanigans I rarely if ever turn on cascade
delete.  Since it isn't turned on, when a record delete is attempted (with
child recs), jet generates an error and my form class intercepts the error,
calling my active/trash class to handle the error.

If I don't turn cascade delete on, then I am responsible for making it
appear that the user can delete a record (with child records).  I use two
Boolean flags, Active / Trash to deal with the results.  A record is Active
by default, can be set inactive, or can be set trash either by dbl-clicking
on the trash check box or by the delete error.

I designed this system AGES ago and it has worked flawlessly ever since,
however I decided a few years ago I'd really rather have a single byte /
integer field with different numbers representing the record state.  0 =
Inactive, 1 = Trash, 2 = Active and 3 = Archive (Archive is not included in
my current system).

In order to add in the ability to use a combo I have about decided to add a
new Withevents class to deal with this combo rather than add in the code to
my existing Active/Trash checkbox class.  I decided to do this in order to
make the use of a combo BY ITSELF (bound to an integer field) clean.
However I MAY also want this combo to be able to handle a "retrofit" where
the two flags (active/trash) already exist and I currently use the checkbox
paradigm without the integer field.  In essence the combo would directly
manipulate the underlying checkboxes to "emulate" the use of a single
integer field but in actual fact use a pair of flags.  Unfortunately this
implementation doesn't handle continuous forms well since the combo is not
directly bound, and would display incorrectly in instances where the check
box values differ from rec to rec.

OK, now to the quandary.  I have a Withevents class which handles the two
check boxes, sinking their events and setting / resetting the two values
depending on what is happening.  Again, works fine, lasts a long time, with
proper maintenance (an old Navy saying).  I will have a new class handling
the combo.  I have a control scanner that finds all controls on a form and
loads the appropriate class for each control.  It already works for the
active / trash check boxes, loading that class.  I now have to add in a new
check in the scanner to find and load the class for this new active/trash
combo.

However if the combo exists I want to hide the active / trash checkboxes
(visible false) and then preferably unload their class.  The quandary is
that it is not possible to determine which class will load first, i.e. which
control (combo or check boxes) will the scanner encounter first in its scan
for controls in the form's control collection.  Thus the checkbox class
could load first then the combo class or vice versa.

Each has to check for the existence of the other class in the form class'
control class collection.  If the combo finds the checkbox class in the
collection, it needs to tell the checkbox class to hide it's controls and
then unload itself.  If the checkbox finds the combo class already loaded,
it needs to hide it's controls and then unload itself from the collection.

It seems like this should work, i.e. the only reason the class continues to
exist is that a pointer to the class exists in the form's control class
collection.  Any class should be able to unload itself by finding and
deleting it's pointer in that class collection (which it can get at by the
way since it has a pointer to the form's class).

I am assuming that if a class deletes the last remaining pointer to itself,
then when the code (in its own class) exits, the class would terminate.  I
also assume that the Terminate would run AFTER the currently running code
exists, not at the instruction following deletion of the last pointer?

Does this sound correct?  Anyone care to comment on possible problems,
implementation issues?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 14 23:38:56 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:38:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c392d6$3f463c10$6401a8c0@default>

Hi John,

Instead of having the checkbox class unload, can you
use it's checked status through the combobox class?
It might be as if the combo were bound to the checkboxes
and show properly in the continuous form.

Then you'd only need to hide the checkboxes
and handle the termination of both the checkbox
and combobox classes on form close.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary


> As most list old-timers know, I use an Active/Trash system to flag records
> that the user tries to delete (which have a child record) as Trash.
>
> Basically I hold that cascade delete is a very powerful tool used mostly
for
> ripping the guts out of your database by users who shouldn't be doing so.
> In order to prevent such shenanigans I rarely if ever turn on cascade
> delete.  Since it isn't turned on, when a record delete is attempted (with
> child recs), jet generates an error and my form class intercepts the
error,
> calling my active/trash class to handle the error.
>
> If I don't turn cascade delete on, then I am responsible for making it
> appear that the user can delete a record (with child records).  I use two
> Boolean flags, Active / Trash to deal with the results.  A record is
Active
> by default, can be set inactive, or can be set trash either by
dbl-clicking
> on the trash check box or by the delete error.
>
> I designed this system AGES ago and it has worked flawlessly ever since,
> however I decided a few years ago I'd really rather have a single byte /
> integer field with different numbers representing the record state.  0 =
> Inactive, 1 = Trash, 2 = Active and 3 = Archive (Archive is not included
in
> my current system).
>
> In order to add in the ability to use a combo I have about decided to add
a
> new Withevents class to deal with this combo rather than add in the code
to
> my existing Active/Trash checkbox class.  I decided to do this in order to
> make the use of a combo BY ITSELF (bound to an integer field) clean.
> However I MAY also want this combo to be able to handle a "retrofit" where
> the two flags (active/trash) already exist and I currently use the
checkbox
> paradigm without the integer field.  In essence the combo would directly
> manipulate the underlying checkboxes to "emulate" the use of a single
> integer field but in actual fact use a pair of flags.  Unfortunately this
> implementation doesn't handle continuous forms well since the combo is not
> directly bound, and would display incorrectly in instances where the check
> box values differ from rec to rec.
>
> OK, now to the quandary.  I have a Withevents class which handles the two
> check boxes, sinking their events and setting / resetting the two values
> depending on what is happening.  Again, works fine, lasts a long time,
with
> proper maintenance (an old Navy saying).  I will have a new class handling
> the combo.  I have a control scanner that finds all controls on a form and
> loads the appropriate class for each control.  It already works for the
> active / trash check boxes, loading that class.  I now have to add in a
new
> check in the scanner to find and load the class for this new active/trash
> combo.
>
> However if the combo exists I want to hide the active / trash checkboxes
> (visible false) and then preferably unload their class.  The quandary is
> that it is not possible to determine which class will load first, i.e.
which
> control (combo or check boxes) will the scanner encounter first in its
scan
> for controls in the form's control collection.  Thus the checkbox class
> could load first then the combo class or vice versa.
>
> Each has to check for the existence of the other class in the form class'
> control class collection.  If the combo finds the checkbox class in the
> collection, it needs to tell the checkbox class to hide it's controls and
> then unload itself.  If the checkbox finds the combo class already loaded,
> it needs to hide it's controls and then unload itself from the collection.
>
> It seems like this should work, i.e. the only reason the class continues
to
> exist is that a pointer to the class exists in the form's control class
> collection.  Any class should be able to unload itself by finding and
> deleting it's pointer in that class collection (which it can get at by the
> way since it has a pointer to the form's class).
>
> I am assuming that if a class deletes the last remaining pointer to
itself,
> then when the code (in its own class) exits, the class would terminate.  I
> also assume that the Terminate would run AFTER the currently running code
> exists, not at the instruction following deletion of the last pointer?
>
> Does this sound correct?  Anyone care to comment on possible problems,
> implementation issues?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 14 23:40:41 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:40:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Microsoft releases Office developer tools
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAEOFFCAA.john@winhaven.net>

FYI:
http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5090443.html


From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Oct 15 00:45:35 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:45:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues 
Message-ID: <OF2B601F5E.94FB5445-ONCA256DC0.001E9C17@agric.nsw.gov.au>

Hi all,

I am having more date issues in access. I have searched the archives and 
tried the formatting shown there. I have redone the code several times and 
implemented msgbox popups but to no avail. I now have less hair and am 
considering a return to the chain smoking days of my youth... or putting a 
hit out on Microsoft for the whole America is the world date thing. (I am 
married to an American so I get to whine about it a lot). 

this is the scenario.

It is a simple little database written a few years back and now passed on 
to me because it has problems. (I get all the good jobs)

It has a form for data entry, including a date capture, which works fine, 
as follows:

Private Sub FinalDateCommand_Click()
'this allows user to enter final date in all displayed records by command 
button

On Error GoTo Err_FinalDateCommand_Click
Dim mydb As Database, myset As Recordset
Dim I As Integer
Dim n As Integer
Dim Finished As Date
Dim TSID As Integer
Dim strSQL As String

Set mydb = CurrentDb
Set myset = mydb.OpenRecordset("WorkSheet")

TSID = Forms![worksheet]![TSID]
Finished = Format(Forms![worksheet]![FinalDate], "mm\/dd\/yyyy")

    ' Create SQL string.
    strSQL = "UPDATE worksheet SET finished = #" & Finished & "# WHERE 
tsid = " & TSID
    ' Run action query.
    mydb.Execute strSQL

'refresh the records
    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acRecordsMenu, 5, , acMenuVer70
 
Exit_FinalDateCommand_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_FinalDateCommand_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_FinalDateCommand_Click
 
End Sub

This displays the date in the required format (ie: dd/mm/yy) as per the 
formatting of the box. 
from here however it is stored in a sub form which is displaying the date 
totally reversed (ie: yy/mm/dd).

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)

'store the finished date that you have just entered
finisheddate = Me![Finished]
End Sub

The formatting on the fields in the form is set to shortdate and my PC has 
regional settings for Australia. 

I am really stuck (again) ... I hate Date issues in Access!


Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 15 01:31:29 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:31:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues 
In-Reply-To: <OF2B601F5E.94FB5445-ONCA256DC0.001E9C17@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <3F8D7661.16377.2403A1B@localhost>

....

Let's take   "1 Feb 03"
> Dim Finished As Date
You have dimmed it as a Date, 
....
> Finished = Format(Forms![worksheet]![FinalDate], "mm\/dd\/yyyy")
> 
Format() creates a Variant containing a string  "02/01/03"
You now poke that into the date variable "Finished". When you do so, 
the system converts the string into a date and uses your regional 
settings so interprets it as "2 Jan 03"

You would have been OK if you had dimmed Finished as String  :-)

>     ' Create SQL string.
>     strSQL = "UPDATE worksheet SET finished = #" & Finished & "# WHERE 
> tsid = " & TSID
>     ' Run action query.
>     mydb.Execute strSQL
> 

 
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Oct 15 07:00:51 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:00:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB87C@nnse14.nns.com>

Stuart, Oleg_123, Thank you.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access


On 14 Oct 2003 at 18:34, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Thank you so much Stuart.  You are absolutely right.  Even a right 
> click 'filter by selection' will not result in matches for the same 
> date because of the time differences.  I've never used Int() with 
> dates before and could not find an example in MSDN.  Can you provide 
> an example syntax?
> 

Since date/times are actually stored as a double with the whole 
number represents the date and the fractional part represents the 
time, using Int() will truncate to just the date part.

For existing data:
Docmd.RunSQL "Update myTable Set MyDate = Int(MyDate)"

Importing a CSV into a table:
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
DIm strA as string, strB as String,strC as String, strD as String Set rs =
CurrentDB.Openrecordset("MyTable")
Open "MyFile.CSV" for Input as #1
While Not EOF(1)
	Line Input #1, strA,StrB,StrC,strD
     rs.Addnew
     rs!MyNumber = Val(StrA) 
     rs!MyString = StrB
     rs!MyDateTime = Val(StrC)
     rs!MyDate = Int(Val(StrD))
     rs.Update
Wend
Close #1





 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 07:33:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:33:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary
In-Reply-To: <004e01c392d6$3f463c10$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEDDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I could do that, in fact it seems that may be preferable since it already
knows how to toggle the check boxes.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] An interesting quandary


Hi John,

Instead of having the checkbox class unload, can you
use it's checked status through the combobox class?
It might be as if the combo were bound to the checkboxes
and show properly in the continuous form.

Then you'd only need to hide the checkboxes
and handle the termination of both the checkbox
and combobox classes on form close.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary


> As most list old-timers know, I use an Active/Trash system to flag records
> that the user tries to delete (which have a child record) as Trash.
>
> Basically I hold that cascade delete is a very powerful tool used mostly
for
> ripping the guts out of your database by users who shouldn't be doing so.
> In order to prevent such shenanigans I rarely if ever turn on cascade
> delete.  Since it isn't turned on, when a record delete is attempted (with
> child recs), jet generates an error and my form class intercepts the
error,
> calling my active/trash class to handle the error.
>
> If I don't turn cascade delete on, then I am responsible for making it
> appear that the user can delete a record (with child records).  I use two
> Boolean flags, Active / Trash to deal with the results.  A record is
Active
> by default, can be set inactive, or can be set trash either by
dbl-clicking
> on the trash check box or by the delete error.
>
> I designed this system AGES ago and it has worked flawlessly ever since,
> however I decided a few years ago I'd really rather have a single byte /
> integer field with different numbers representing the record state.  0 =
> Inactive, 1 = Trash, 2 = Active and 3 = Archive (Archive is not included
in
> my current system).
>
> In order to add in the ability to use a combo I have about decided to add
a
> new Withevents class to deal with this combo rather than add in the code
to
> my existing Active/Trash checkbox class.  I decided to do this in order to
> make the use of a combo BY ITSELF (bound to an integer field) clean.
> However I MAY also want this combo to be able to handle a "retrofit" where
> the two flags (active/trash) already exist and I currently use the
checkbox
> paradigm without the integer field.  In essence the combo would directly
> manipulate the underlying checkboxes to "emulate" the use of a single
> integer field but in actual fact use a pair of flags.  Unfortunately this
> implementation doesn't handle continuous forms well since the combo is not
> directly bound, and would display incorrectly in instances where the check
> box values differ from rec to rec.
>
> OK, now to the quandary.  I have a Withevents class which handles the two
> check boxes, sinking their events and setting / resetting the two values
> depending on what is happening.  Again, works fine, lasts a long time,
with
> proper maintenance (an old Navy saying).  I will have a new class handling
> the combo.  I have a control scanner that finds all controls on a form and
> loads the appropriate class for each control.  It already works for the
> active / trash check boxes, loading that class.  I now have to add in a
new
> check in the scanner to find and load the class for this new active/trash
> combo.
>
> However if the combo exists I want to hide the active / trash checkboxes
> (visible false) and then preferably unload their class.  The quandary is
> that it is not possible to determine which class will load first, i.e.
which
> control (combo or check boxes) will the scanner encounter first in its
scan
> for controls in the form's control collection.  Thus the checkbox class
> could load first then the combo class or vice versa.
>
> Each has to check for the existence of the other class in the form class'
> control class collection.  If the combo finds the checkbox class in the
> collection, it needs to tell the checkbox class to hide it's controls and
> then unload itself.  If the checkbox finds the combo class already loaded,
> it needs to hide it's controls and then unload itself from the collection.
>
> It seems like this should work, i.e. the only reason the class continues
to
> exist is that a pointer to the class exists in the form's control class
> collection.  Any class should be able to unload itself by finding and
> deleting it's pointer in that class collection (which it can get at by the
> way since it has a pointer to the form's class).
>
> I am assuming that if a class deletes the last remaining pointer to
itself,
> then when the code (in its own class) exits, the class would terminate.  I
> also assume that the Terminate would run AFTER the currently running code
> exists, not at the instruction following deletion of the last pointer?
>
> Does this sound correct?  Anyone care to comment on possible problems,
> implementation issues?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Oct 15 07:51:37 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:51:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a
    form.
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0455@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Yes I realized that after I sent this.  Maybe Erwin is having trouble with the correct syntax for using an ocx this way.  Should be libraryname.class name as in:

Dim oMyObject as MyLibrary.MyClass

or a common use I've seen is with the Winsock libary:

Private WithEvents wscControl As MSWinsockLib.Winsock

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on
a form.


If events are used, then they need to be in a Class Module.  Forms are Class
modules, so they can handle the events, but you can use just a plain class
module to reference an activeX control with events.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on
a form.


Don't controls (ActiveX or otherwise) always need a host (form)?  How is it
possible in VB?

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a form.



I tought it was posible to load an activex control in VBA so a form is not
needed.
I cant seem to find the right command for this.
Maybe I'm mistaking that this is only posible in VB.



Erwin Craps
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 15 08:37:41 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:37:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77CE@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
stop :-)

One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be considered
is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
identifier might change?

To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus four
digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier. In
other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.

As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to compare
a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If my
mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And it's
just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.



Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
> code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
> the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> it's
> looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> as
> a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> range!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> treating such an entry as a number?
> 
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 08:49:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:49:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Oct 15 09:01:09 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:01:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C629157@natexch.jenkens.com>

Can you make a rule that everthing in that folder should be marked as read?

Debbie

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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:49 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 15 09:37:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:37:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <18430070779.20031015163716@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I
> need to take a field in a group of records and see if any
> combination of the values in the field equal zero.  

> Example:

> MyField
>    5
>   -2
>    7
>   -3
>    6

> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5,
> -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 

Watch out - long post.

It can be done in Jet if you limit the number of rows to about six.
The actual number depends on your machine power and client patience.


1. Source table, tblAmount.

I've added one more row to obtain two solutions for a zero sum:

ID      Amount
1        5,00
2       -2,00
3        7,00
4       -3,00
5        6,00
6       -1,00


2. Create a query which returns all rows included and excluded:

<SQL>

  SELECT
    ID,
    True As Include,
    Amount
  FROM
    tblAmount
  UNION ALL
  SELECT
    ID,
    False As Include,
    0 As Amount
  FROM
    tblAmount;

</SQL>

Save this as qdyAmountInclude.

This will return twelve rows:

ID     Include Amount
1      -1       5,00
1       0       0,00
2      -1      -2,00
2       0       0,00
3      -1       7,00
3       0       0,00
4      -1      -3,00
4       0       0,00
5      -1       6,00
5       0       0,00
6      -1      -1,00
6       0       0,00


3. Create a query which multiplies the above query six fold to obtain
all combinations of exluded and included rows:

<SQL>

  SELECT
    T1.ID, T1.Include, T1.Amount,
    T2.ID, T2.Include, T2.Amount,
    T3.ID, T3.Include, T3.Amount,
    T4.ID, T4.Include, T4.Amount,
    T5.ID, T5.Include, T5.Amount,
    T6.ID, T6.Include, T6.Amount
  FROM
    qdyAmountInclude AS T1,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T2,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T3,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T4,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T5,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T6;

</SQL>

Save it as qdyAmountCombine.
Run it if you like - but it will return about 3 mio. records ...


4. Create a query which allows to filter and group on only those
records interesting.
To do so, a bitmap is set up which uniquely identify a combination of
rows from tblAmount no matter the sequence of the selected rows.

By decoding the bitmap the included rows of tblAmount is shown.

<SQL>

  SELECT DISTINCT
    ([T1]![Include]*2^([T1]![ID]-1))+
    ([T2]![Include]*2^([T2]![ID]-1))+
    ([T3]![Include]*2^([T3]![ID]-1))+
    ([T4]![Include]*2^([T4]![ID]-1))+
    ([T5]![Include]*2^([T5]![ID]-1))+
    ([T6]![Include]*2^([T6]![ID]-1)) AS Combination,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^1)\2^(1-1) AS ID1,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^2)\2^(2-1) AS ID2,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^3)\2^(3-1) AS ID3,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^4)\2^(4-1) AS ID4,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^5)\2^(5-1) AS ID5,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^6)\2^(6-1) AS ID6
  FROM
    qdyAmountCombine AS Tn
  WHERE
    ((([T1]![Include]*2^([T1]![ID]-1))+
      ([T2]![Include]*2^([T2]![ID]-1))+
      ([T3]![Include]*2^([T3]![ID]-1))+
      ([T4]![Include]*2^([T4]![ID]-1))+
      ([T5]![Include]*2^([T5]![ID]-1))+
      ([T6]![Include]*2^([T6]![ID]-1))<>0)
    AND (
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T5]![ID] And
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T5]![ID] And
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T5]![ID] And
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T5]![ID] And
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T5]![ID])
    AND (
      [T1]![Amount]+
      [T2]![Amount]+
      [T3]![Amount]+
      [T4]![Amount]+
      [T5]![Amount]+
      [T6]![Amount]=0));

</SQL>

Save this as qdyAmountZero.
Run it and note that it runs surprisingly fast.

It should return two rows:

Combination  ID1     ID2     ID3     ID4     ID5     ID6
-58           0      -1       0      -1      -1      -1
-11          -1      -1       0      -1       0       0

where the number if ID, say ID4, identifies the ID of the row of
tblAmount.


5. Now, create a query to display the possible selection(s).

<SQL>

  SELECT
    Abs([Combination]) AS Selection,
    tblAmount.ID,
    tblAmount.Amount
  FROM
    qdyAmountZero,
    tblAmount
  GROUP BY
    Abs([Combination]),
    tblAmount.ID,
    tblAmount.Amount,
    qdyAmountZero.ID1,
    qdyAmountZero.ID2,
    qdyAmountZero.ID3,
    qdyAmountZero.ID4,
    qdyAmountZero.ID5,
    qdyAmountZero.ID6
  HAVING
    (tblAmount.ID=1 AND qdyAmountZero.ID1=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=2 AND qdyAmountZero.ID2=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=3 AND qdyAmountZero.ID3=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=4 AND qdyAmountZero.ID4=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=5 AND qdyAmountZero.ID5=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=6 AND qdyAmountZero.ID6=True)
  ORDER BY
    Abs([Combination]),
    tblAmount.ID;

</SQL>

This will display the (here two) selections and their associated rows
in a useful way: 

Selection    ID      Amount
11           1        5,00
11           2       -2,00
11           4       -3,00
58           2       -2,00
58           4       -3,00
58           5        6,00
58           6       -1,00

For a real life application you would need to add some prefiltering
like those I have mentioned before like excluding positive values
exceeding the sum of the negative values and vice versa.

Have fun!

/gustav


From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Wed Oct 15 09:45:53 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:45:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825DA@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>


Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
Update.

We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
  
 mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
  WHERE item_id = 16;"

Thanks

jack

From rgilimited at btconnect.com  Wed Oct 15 09:51:21 2003
From: rgilimited at btconnect.com (Robin Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:51:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3932b$cd680910$5373a8c0@local>

John,
If you're already manipulating the messages through VBA using Outlook
Object the messages have a read/unread property which can be set
Rgds
Robin 



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it
doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol
in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new
mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 15 09:56:20 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:56:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
Message-ID: <2289292.1066229780965.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

I think you have to run UPDATES via the DataConnection.Execute like below, can't remember the exact code but should get you started.
Dim DBConn As ADODB.Connection
Dim mySql As String
mySql =  "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now() 
WHERE item_id = 16" 

set the DBConn with the connection string to the desired database then.
DBConn.Execute(mySql)
Paul




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Subject : [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update 

Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the 
sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no 
Update. 

We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation 

mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now() 
WHERE item_id = 16;" 

Thanks 

jack 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 10:00:29 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:00:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
In-Reply-To: <000001c3932b$cd680910$5373a8c0@local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDMFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

All that does is cause the message to not be highlighted.  What I am talking
about is the little envelope in the WINDOWS status bar that appears whenever
a new mail arrives.  I am being notified that new SPAM has arrived (not
useful and VERY distracting).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


John,
If you're already manipulating the messages through VBA using Outlook
Object the messages have a read/unread property which can be set
Rgds
Robin



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it
doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol
in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new
mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Oct 15 10:22:57 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:22:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query
In-Reply-To: <18430070779.20031015163716@cactus.dk>
References: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
        <18430070779.20031015163716@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <49884.12.3.132.98.1066231377.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Using sql code how can make a field in a query to always equal a word
"Executive" ? (not coming from a table, the rest of the query is)


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 10:27:09 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:27:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDOFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 10:34:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:34:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.  I've wrestled with
the peculiarities occasioned by their respective settings enough to make
sure it's applied to all our applications, no matter where they're being
marketed.  Our clients have a habit of opening new rigs in unexpected
places.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


>I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of 
>internationalization...
 
LOL.  Not true, I am a HUGE fan of internationalization... where it
makes sense.  
 
I don't suppose I've ever mentioned that I, PERSONALLY, have never
needed it?
 
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
	Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:36 PM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
	
	
	Hi Brett:
	 
	Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years,
with extensive help, I may be able to get over a sever case of
unicod-a-phobia. 
	 
	Jim

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
		Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
		
		
		I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not
big fans of internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an
excellent article on Unicode and character encoding:
		 
		The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No
Excuses!) <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html> 

		Brett Barabash, MCP 
		Tappe Construction, Co. 
		Eagan, MN 
		bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 10:36:41 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:36:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

SELECT "Executive" As Expr1, Field1, Field2 FROM MyTable

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query


Using sql code how can make a field in a query to always equal a word
"Executive" ? (not coming from a table, the rest of the query is)


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 15 10:48:56 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:48:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDOFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00de01c39333$db98b860$6401a8c0@default>

John,

There is one in here, I believe
http://www.mvps.org/access/downloads/Explorer.zip
or go to
http://www.mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo


> Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
> combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 10:51:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:51:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEEAFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.

Nope.  Get a lot in Pennsylvania, and New York, and Connecticut.  Which
often seem like they are furriners.

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.  I've wrestled with
the peculiarities occasioned by their respective settings enough to make
sure it's applied to all our applications, no matter where they're being
marketed.  Our clients have a habit of opening new rigs in unexpected
places.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


>I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
>internationalization...

LOL.  Not true, I am a HUGE fan of internationalization... where it
makes sense.

I don't suppose I've ever mentioned that I, PERSONALLY, have never
needed it?

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
	Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:36 PM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


	Hi Brett:

	Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years,
with extensive help, I may be able to get over a sever case of
unicod-a-phobia.

	Jim

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
		Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


		I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not
big fans of internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an
excellent article on Unicode and character encoding:

		The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No
Excuses!) <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html>

		Brett Barabash, MCP
		Tappe Construction, Co.
		Eagan, MN
		bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
		(651) 256-6831

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 11:02:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:02:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
In-Reply-To: <00de01c39333$db98b860$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEBFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks Mike, I'll take a look.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] File list to combo


John,

There is one in here, I believe
http://www.mvps.org/access/downloads/Explorer.zip
or go to
http://www.mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo


> Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
> combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 11:07:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:07:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

When you have to handle number formats that use comma as the decimal
delimiter and period (Croatia) or space (France) as the digit grouping
delimiter, you quickly discover the beauties of internationalization
even without dealing with different date formats and delimiters.  Once
it's in place (a painful process, I must admit), it takes care of the
translation if needed and can be safely ignored if it isn't needed.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


>Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.

Nope.  Get a lot in Pennsylvania, and New York, and Connecticut.  Which
often seem like they are furriners.

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.  I've wrestled with
the peculiarities occasioned by their respective settings enough to make
sure it's applied to all our applications, no matter where they're being
marketed.  Our clients have a habit of opening new rigs in unexpected
places.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


>I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of 
>internationalization...

LOL.  Not true, I am a HUGE fan of internationalization... where it
makes sense.

I don't suppose I've ever mentioned that I, PERSONALLY, have never
needed it?

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
	Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:36 PM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


	Hi Brett:

	Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years, with
extensive help, I may be able to get over a sever case of
unicod-a-phobia.

	Jim

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
		Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


		I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not
big fans of internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an
excellent article on Unicode and character encoding:

		The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No
Excuses!) <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html>

		Brett Barabash, MCP
		Tappe Construction, Co.
		Eagan, MN
		bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
		(651) 256-6831

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be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey





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From backroad at idir.net  Wed Oct 15 11:07:40 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:07:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
References: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825DA@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <00fc01c39336$76ddf2c0$6501a8c0@Julie>

Hi Jack,

Not sure what you're trying to do here, but I don't believe you can open a
recordset with an UPDATE sql statement; since recordsets simply present you
with requested data for review, processing, whatever.

If you simply want to run the Update SQL so that the records get updated,
you can use "DoCmd.RunSQL mySQL".  HTH.

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
----- Original Message -----
From: <Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:45 AM
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update


>
> Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
> sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
> Update.
>
> We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
>
>  mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
>   WHERE item_id = 16;"
>
> Thanks
>
> jack
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From rgilimited at btconnect.com  Wed Oct 15 11:07:02 2003
From: rgilimited at btconnect.com (Robin Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:07:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDMFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c39336$5f319d70$5373a8c0@local>

John,
Should've known you'd have thought of that.....

Sounds like you've gone so far you might as well go the whole hog and
construct a decent replacement for Outlook..... (no me too's yet please)

Rgds
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 16:00
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


All that does is cause the message to not be highlighted.  What I am
talking
about is the little envelope in the WINDOWS status bar that appears
whenever
a new mail arrives.  I am being notified that new SPAM has arrived (not
useful and VERY distracting).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robin Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


John,
If you're already manipulating the messages through VBA using Outlook
Object the messages have a read/unread property which can be set
Rgds
Robin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it
doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol
in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new
mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:16:17 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:16:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227332@main2.marlow.com>

JET runs every possible combination when you don't give it something to JOIN
with.  That forces the all combination loop.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem


...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum to
zero?

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


> What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
between
> the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
> create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the
other
> fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
> accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
> little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
> would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
> possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
> records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
> repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
> "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
> To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
> take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the
values
> in the field equal zero.
>
> Example:
>
> MyField
>    5
>   -2
>    7
>   -3
>    6
>
> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
(5, -2, -3).
> I hope someone has something.
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:17:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:17:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227333@main2.marlow.com>

That leave 254 records to search, but that's a LOT of combinations.  I
wouldn't think the check would need more then 20 or 30 records.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


Good plan...excellent in fact, but 255 is the max number of fields for a
query.  Take away the sum field that leaves 256 records to search.  Like I
said..."yikes":)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join between
the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the other
fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
"glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".


Mark



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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 11:17:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:17:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
In-Reply-To: <000e01c39336$5f319d70$5373a8c0@local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEECFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  I use Outlook because my customers do.  Kinda like Access.

I ran across SpamBayes for Outlook which is a Bayesian Spam filter add-on
for Outlook.  Works very well.  I guess I'll contact the authors and see
what they say.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robin Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


John,
Should've known you'd have thought of that.....

Sounds like you've gone so far you might as well go the whole hog and
construct a decent replacement for Outlook..... (no me too's yet please)

Rgds
Robin

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Sent: 15 October 2003 16:00
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


All that does is cause the message to not be highlighted.  What I am
talking
about is the little envelope in the WINDOWS status bar that appears
whenever
a new mail arrives.  I am being notified that new SPAM has arrived (not
useful and VERY distracting).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robin Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


John,
If you're already manipulating the messages through VBA using Outlook
Object the messages have a read/unread property which can be set
Rgds
Robin



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Sent: 15 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it
doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol
in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new
mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:26:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:26:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227335@main2.marlow.com>

Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
(and all 'search' routines) would still work.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
stop :-)

One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be considered
is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
identifier might change?

To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus four
digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier. In
other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.

As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to compare
a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If my
mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And it's
just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.



Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
> code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
> the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> it's
> looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> as
> a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> range!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> treating such an entry as a number?
> 
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:28:24 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:28:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227336@main2.marlow.com>

SELECT "Executive" AS MyField, NormalField
FROM tblMyTable

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query


Using sql code how can make a field in a query to always equal a word
"Executive" ? (not coming from a table, the rest of the query is)


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:30:07 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:30:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227337@main2.marlow.com>

All the files in a folder, or all the files on a drive, including
subfolders?

If it's just in a folder, use the Dir statement.  Use the callback function,
on the initialize 'code', just create a collection.  Then add the file names
to the collection, using Dir().  When you are done, the Count of the
collection is the number of files, and you can just fill the combo from the
collection.  I can whip it up real quick if you want.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo


Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 11:34:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:34:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312390@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Action queries like update or append do not return recordsets.  You can
execute them using ADO, but you can't make them return rows.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca [mailto:Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update



Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
Update.

We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
  
 mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
  WHERE item_id = 16;"

Thanks

jack
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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Wed Oct 15 11:49:30 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:49:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update -Thanks
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825E0@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Thanks all for the quick responses.
We could do the execute or or runsql
but didn't understand why we could not do the openrecordset with update.
Makes sense now.

Thanks all.

jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update


Action queries like update or append do not return recordsets.  You can
execute them using ADO, but you can't make them return rows.

Charlotte Foust

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From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca [mailto:Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update



Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
Update.

We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
  
 mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
  WHERE item_id = 16;"

Thanks

jack
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed Oct 15 12:17:28 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:17:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
Message-ID: <OFA8B1A79D.429AB3A0-ON86256DC0.005E90BD-86256DC0.005EFBAC@nc.us.bank-dns.com>




What you need to do with the ADO is something similar to the following:

Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim cmdtext As String

con = setconnection
con.Open

cmdtext = "UPDATE tblRatingAgencies"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " SET"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblRatingAgencies.[AgencyName] = '" &
Me.txtAgencyName & "'"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " WHERE (((tblRatingAgencies.AgencyNumber)=" &
Forms![frmRatingAgencies]![frmRatingAgencies-SubForm]![txtAgencyNumber] &
"));"

MsgBox cmdtext

rs.Open cmdtext, con

con.Close

Also you might want to take a look at the actual SQL string you are
passing.  Just uncomment out the indicated line and a message box will
dispaly your actual SQL.

HTH

-Jeff

>
> Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
> sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
> Update.
>
> We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
>
>  mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
>   WHERE item_id = 16;"
>
> Thanks
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 15 12:32:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:32:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227332@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000601c39342$585e3740$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...one record against another ...but afaik, not multiple combinations of 2,
3, 4, 5, etc

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


> JET runs every possible combination when you don't give it something to
JOIN
> with.  That forces the all combination loop.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:08 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> ...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
> lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum
to
> zero?
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> > What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
> between
> > the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
> > create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the
> other
> > fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem
> >
> >
> > I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
> > accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
> > little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a
solution
> > would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
> > possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
> > records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
> > repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
> > "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
> > To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
> >
> >
> > This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need
to
> > take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the
> values
> > in the field equal zero.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > MyField
> >    5
> >   -2
> >    7
> >   -3
> >    6
> >
> > This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
> (5, -2, -3).
> > I hope someone has something.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lonnie Johnson
> > ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> > Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Oct 15 13:05:34 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Execute Excel macro from Acess
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Is that possible without opening the Excel file ?


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 15 13:46:52 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:46:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Ah but...

one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, but
it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.

As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db I
threw together.

Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.

The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...

Sub testSearch()
Dim n As Long
Dim s As String
    
Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
Dim TextSearchTime As Single
Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
Dim x As Long
Dim strHits As Long
Dim intHits As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim rs As Recordset
Dim sCriteria As String
    Randomize
    Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
    For x = 1 To 1000
        With rs
            n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
            s = CStr(n)

            sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
            NumericSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            NumericSearchEnd = Timer
            NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
NumericSearchStart)
            sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
            TextSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            TextSearchEnd = Timer
            TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
TextSearchStart)
        End With
    Next x
    rs.Close
    Debug.Print "Average find times"
    Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
    Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000") &
" Hits:" & strHits
    Set db = Nothing
    Set rs = Nothing
End Sub


And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...

Average find times
Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0

As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.

The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search times
steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on here.
But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.

I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
field as well as the string one).

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
> (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
> stop :-)
> 
> One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> considered
> is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
> identifier might change?
> 
> To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> four
> digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier.
> In
> other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
> be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
> you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.
> 
> As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> compare
> a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
> search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> my
> mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
> the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
> few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> it's
> just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> 
> 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> Zip
> > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses
> in
> > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> > it's
> > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> > as
> > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> > range!
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > treating such an entry as a number?
> > 
> > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > 
> > Susan H.
> > 
> > 
> > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > think of a resource reason.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 14:11:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222733C@main2.marlow.com>

You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only code
for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to modify
also.  

Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.  But
the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
future variables?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Ah but...

one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, but
it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.

As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db I
threw together.

Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.

The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...

Sub testSearch()
Dim n As Long
Dim s As String
    
Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
Dim TextSearchTime As Single
Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
Dim x As Long
Dim strHits As Long
Dim intHits As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim rs As Recordset
Dim sCriteria As String
    Randomize
    Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
    For x = 1 To 1000
        With rs
            n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
            s = CStr(n)

            sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
            NumericSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            NumericSearchEnd = Timer
            NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
NumericSearchStart)
            sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
            TextSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            TextSearchEnd = Timer
            TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
TextSearchStart)
        End With
    Next x
    rs.Close
    Debug.Print "Average find times"
    Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
    Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000") &
" Hits:" & strHits
    Set db = Nothing
    Set rs = Nothing
End Sub


And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...

Average find times
Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0

As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.

The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search times
steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on here.
But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.

I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
field as well as the string one).

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
> (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
> stop :-)
> 
> One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> considered
> is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
> identifier might change?
> 
> To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> four
> digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier.
> In
> other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
> be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
> you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.
> 
> As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> compare
> a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
> search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> my
> mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
> the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
> few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> it's
> just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> 
> 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> Zip
> > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses
> in
> > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> > it's
> > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> > as
> > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> > range!
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > treating such an entry as a number?
> > 
> > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > 
> > Susan H.
> > 
> > 
> > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > think of a resource reason.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
> > > _______________________________________________
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From backroad at idir.net  Wed Oct 15 14:18:08 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:18:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity
Message-ID: <007901c39351$30ca6370$6501a8c0@Julie>

Dear AccessD Listers,

I have a small project for a non-U.S./non-Canadian Access97 coder.  We are modifying an existing application so that it can be used by customers outside the U.S. and Canada.  App interface will still be in English, but 'international' version will handle various currencies, address / phone formats, and non-U.S. date formatting.

I'm doing all mods except those required to handle dates properly in SQL.  That is the part being sub-contracted in this project.  The scope of this project involves reviewing all SQL and modifying any that deals with date values, in the manner that has often been discussed on this list:  

Format(dateValue, "mm\/dd\/yyyy")

All modifications of this type should then be tested to ensure proper functionality (primary reason I'm requesting someone outside US/Canada to work on this).

Here are some specs on this app:

Access97, FE/BE, distributed as Access97 runtime mde using Sagekey scripts.  SQL needs to be reviewed throughout, including saved queries, modules, form/report control sources.  The app contains these objects (though not all deal with dates):
42 queries
82 forms
57 reports
26 modules

The development mdb will be ready (meaning all non-SQL-related mods have been completed) for you on or before Oct. 24, and this project needs to be completed by Nov. 14.  Project deliverables include the modified mdb (obviously), and a simple list of objects modified (example of list entries: "qryApptsList", "mdlSchedule.fctNextAppt", etc.)

If you want additional information about this application, you can find it at www.farriersoftware.com .  You're also welcome to dowload a demo of the app from there (this requires filling out a form first - please put "AccessD" in the comments so we don't think you're a potential customer!)

Please email me direct at backroad at idir.net if you're interested or have any questions.  Thank you!

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Oct 15 14:56:57 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:56:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227335@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001301c39356$7d40b8d0$7001a8c0@COA3>

While I not been following this thread completely, why would ZIP code
ever be a number? Besides leading zeros, many non-US postal codes are
mixed alpha-numeric ... Do you mean you'd add another field for that,
rather than a "postal code" field to handle ANY country?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
intact (and all 'search' routines) would still work.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
it stop :-)

One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
considered is is there any possibility that the design / structure of
the "numerical" identifier might change?

To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
four digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in
time because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
identifier. In other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code,
so it should not be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code
as a Long Int, but you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to
change things later on.

As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
compare a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric
values, to search a sorted list really does not take that long as a
standard binary chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the
target string. (If my mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a
string in a list of one billion (10^9) strings would require 30
comparisons at most.) In addition, the initial stages of the binary chop
only need to compare the first character (or first few) in the string
with the first character (or first
few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
it's just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.



Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a

> storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit 
> Zip code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for 
> addresses in the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as

> text, the processor is going to have to compare each digit of the 
> number, because it's looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  
> However, if it's stored as
> a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
that
> range!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for 
> telephone numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use 
> numbers for some kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the 
> argument comes from in the first place, that and the old approach of 
> squeezing everything into the smallest possible datatype to shave 
> storage bytes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for 
> treating such an entry as a number?
> 
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the old school 
> > early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything text unless 
> > an actual calculation must be performed, even when that doesn't 
> > necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a number it

> > should be treated as a number unless there is a very compelling 
> > reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and probably 
> > others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells you that if the data

> > is numeric you should use a number data type, using text just 
> > muddies things up. As far as a number field needing "additional 
> > resources", especially for calculations, that makes no sense at all 
> > to me. Some number types may take additional storage space as 
> > compared to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic 
> > >tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use text.

> > >And that a number data type requires additional resources in order 
> > >for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 15 15:05:23 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:05:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222733C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002901c39357$ab100ee0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew

...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
program back in '83 :))))))

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


> You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
code
> for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
modify
> also.
>
> Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
But
> the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> future variables?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Ah but...
>
> one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
of
> a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
utterly
> different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
but
> it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
decisions.
>
> As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
I
> threw together.
>
> Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
> and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
> The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
> the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
to
> search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
> Sub testSearch()
> Dim n As Long
> Dim s As String
>
> Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> Dim x As Long
> Dim strHits As Long
> Dim intHits As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
&
> " Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
> As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
> surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
> The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
times
> steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
here.
> But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
> I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> field as well as the string one).
>
> Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
telephone
> > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
some
> > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > >
> > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > >
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
should
> > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
resources
> > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Wed Oct 15 15:07:09 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:07:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D60B0@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

The problem is that a zip code is not a number, it is a five-digit or
nine-digit identifier. Since every digit has meaning, it should be stored as
a string and not a number.  

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 15:12
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only code
for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to modify
also.  

Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.  But
the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
future variables?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Ah but...

one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, but
it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.

As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db I
threw together.

Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.

The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...

Sub testSearch()
Dim n As Long
Dim s As String
    
Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
Dim TextSearchTime As Single
Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
Dim x As Long
Dim strHits As Long
Dim intHits As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim rs As Recordset
Dim sCriteria As String
    Randomize
    Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
    For x = 1 To 1000
        With rs
            n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
            s = CStr(n)

            sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
            NumericSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            NumericSearchEnd = Timer
            NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
NumericSearchStart)
            sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
            TextSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            TextSearchEnd = Timer
            TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
TextSearchStart)
        End With
    Next x
    rs.Close
    Debug.Print "Average find times"
    Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
    Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000") &
" Hits:" & strHits
    Set db = Nothing
    Set rs = Nothing
End Sub


And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...

Average find times
Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0

As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.

The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search times
steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on here.
But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.

I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
field as well as the string one).

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
> (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
> stop :-)
> 
> One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> considered
> is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
> identifier might change?
> 
> To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> four
> digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier.
> In
> other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
> be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
> you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.
> 
> As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> compare
> a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
> search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> my
> mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
> the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
> few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> it's
> just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> 
> 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> Zip
> > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses
> in
> > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> > it's
> > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> > as
> > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> > range!
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > treating such an entry as a number?
> > 
> > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > 
> > Susan H.
> > 
> > 
> > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > think of a resource reason.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 15 15:08:15 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D7@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Drew,

True the (US) post office may or may not be planning a zip code reorg, but
the point is that the Zip code is just an example of a number that's not
really an number at all.

Other things often get "numerical" values, like Customer Numbers, Account
Numbers, Part Numbers etc. but they are not numbers in reality. They are
simply identifiers. These are exactly the kind of things that management can
and does change its mind about at the drop of a hat. There's no guarantee
that you'll get a 'decent amount of lead time' when the decision come down
the line.

To your second point, if today's processors are such that speed is not
critical anymore, then there's surely not much chance that tomorrows CPU's
will be significantly slower. So we have processing power to spare, and
searching string values is no big deal.

The really significant point about searches is to make wise choices as to
which fields will be indexed. Good indexing equals fast searches. No
indexing means massive network traffic and lots of waiting around.

My vote is for the philosophy that says "use a data type that's appropriate
to the type of data".

JM2CW

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:12 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> code
> for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> modify
> also.  
> 
> Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> But
> the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> future variables?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Ah but...
> 
> one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
> of
> a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
> utterly
> different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> but
> it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
> decisions.
> 
> As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
> I
> threw together.
> 
> Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
> and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> 
> The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
> the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
> to
> search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> 
> Sub testSearch()
> Dim n As Long
> Dim s As String
>     
> Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> Dim x As Long
> Dim strHits As Long
> Dim intHits As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
> 
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
> &
> " Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
> End Sub
> 
> 
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> 
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> 
> As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
> surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> 
> The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> times
> steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> here.
> But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> 
> I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> field as well as the string one).
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> it
> > stop :-)
> > 
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> "numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> > 
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> on.
> > 
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
> to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> that
> > > range!
> > > 
> > > Drew
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
> telephone
> > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
> some
> > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > 
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > > 
> > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > > 
> > > Susan H.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
> should 
> > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
> resources 
> > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 15 15:13:28 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:13:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D8@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

The Explorer example is quite nice, but you'll need to modify it. The reason
being that the two listboxes use value lists as their rowsource, and it does
not take a great many files to hit the limit. So the code would need to be
changed to store the directory and file names in a temp table and then the
table can be used as the rowsource.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:02 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] File list to combo
> 
> Thanks Mike, I'll take a look.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:49 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] File list to combo
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> There is one in here, I believe
> http://www.mvps.org/access/downloads/Explorer.zip
> or go to
> http://www.mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:27 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
> 
> 
> > Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
> > combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > 
> > 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 15 15:19:44 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:19:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E008B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 15:30:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:30:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312395@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

What problem are you running into?  Is there a reason why you need to
include the memo field in the count?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo
field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia

From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Wed Oct 15 15:40:06 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:40:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C6C@EXCHMAIL>

Create the query without the memo field. Then create a new query, bring in all of the fields from the count query and join to the table with the memo field. Bring in the memo field.
 
D

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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo



What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a memo field.
 
Virginia

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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Wed Oct 15 15:46:50 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:46:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C6D@EXCHMAIL>

She wont be able to group by memo field with a count in the query.

D

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What problem are you running into?  Is there a reason why you need to
include the memo field in the count?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo
field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 15 15:58:31 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:58:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E008E@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I put Asset - Count, the other fields have GroupBy. Should they be something
else?

No, the memo fields are just in the query for the report fields.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What problem are you running into?  Is there a reason why you need to
include the memo field in the count?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo
field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 15 15:59:42 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:59:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E008F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

That did it! Thanks.
 
Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: David McAfee [mailto:DMcAfee at haascnc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


Create the query without the memo field. Then create a new query, bring in
all of the fields from the count query and join to the table with the memo
field. Bring in the memo field.
 
D

 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo



What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 15 16:16:48 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:16:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310151701.h9FH1De32626@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031015161417.02803830@pop3.highstream.net>

Drew,

Yeah, it works great until they make it look like Canada's.

Zone Improvement Plan Code (ZIP Code) is a code not a value,
therefor it is alpha-numeric and not a pure numeric.

And, the Plus4 may become the Plus6. ;-)

Robert

At 12:01 PM 10/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227335 at main2.marlow.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
>code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
>(and all 'search' routines) would still work.
>
>Drew



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 15 17:16:21 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:16:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3F8E53D5.21297.1AA2F2@localhost>

On 15 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
...
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
....
> 
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> 
Average find times
Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0

The results are meaningless :-(
Timer is only accurate to about 1/18th of a second ie to .0556 
seconds. Any test which takes less than that will either return 0 or 
.0556.

You are carrying out a single indexed lookup on an open table plus
a calculation using 5 functions (addition, Abs() CLng(), negation, 
NoMatch)

Which do *you*  think takes longer (ie has most effect on your 
results)?

 
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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Oct 15 17:42:33 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:42:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues
Message-ID: <OFA7CEA937.6E0D7283-ONCA256DC0.007C5CE1@agric.nsw.gov.au>

OK I tried Dim as String 

it still displays the date in the sub form as a complete reverse. ie:

17/10/02 is entered... passed as 10/17/02 to strSQL (verified by msgbox) 

the value saved to the subform is 02/10/17

The field  is formatted to ShortDate both in the Table and also on the 
form, but returns it in complete reverse.

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

Let's take   "1 Feb 03"
> Dim Finished As Date
You have dimmed it as a Date, 
....
> Finished = Format(Forms![worksheet]![FinalDate], "mm\/dd\/yyyy")
> 
Format() creates a Variant containing a string  "02/01/03"
You now poke that into the date variable "Finished". When you do so, 
the system converts the string into a date and uses your regional 
settings so interprets it as "2 Jan 03"

You would have been OK if you had dimmed Finished as String  :-)

>     ' Create SQL string.
>     strSQL = "UPDATE worksheet SET finished = #" & Finished & "# WHERE 
> tsid = " & TSID
>     ' Run action query.
>     mydb.Execute strSQL
> 

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 15 18:05:07 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues
In-Reply-To: <OFA7CEA937.6E0D7283-ONCA256DC0.007C5CE1@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <3F8E5F43.25313.9C609@localhost>

On 16 Oct 2003 at 8:42, connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.go wrote:

> OK I tried Dim as String 
> 
> it still displays the date in the sub form as a complete reverse. ie:
> 
> 17/10/02 is entered... passed as 10/17/02 to strSQL (verified by msgbox) 
> 
> the value saved to the subform is 02/10/17
> 

Not "saved to the subform". 

Do you mean "displayed by the subform"?
Forms only display data which is stored in a table.

I'd look at the Format property of the textbox in the subform for a 
start.   You may still be looking at "17 Oct 2002", but formatted as 
"yy/mm/dd"  

This is one reason I always specifically format controls which 
display dates to  "dd mmm yy" or "dd mm yyyy"













 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 18:16:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:16:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312397@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

We generally set the display formats to a medium date, which seems to be
fairly uniform and can at least be read everywhere and makes it
perfectly obvious which is the day and which is the month.  Dates can
still be entered in short date format, and the regional settings
interprets that to display it in medium format.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:05 PM
To: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] More Date issues


On 16 Oct 2003 at 8:42, connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.go wrote:

> OK I tried Dim as String
> 
> it still displays the date in the sub form as a complete reverse. ie:
> 
> 17/10/02 is entered... passed as 10/17/02 to strSQL (verified by 
> msgbox)
> 
> the value saved to the subform is 02/10/17
> 

Not "saved to the subform". 

Do you mean "displayed by the subform"?
Forms only display data which is stored in a table.

I'd look at the Format property of the textbox in the subform for a 
start.   You may still be looking at "17 Oct 2002", but formatted as 
"yy/mm/dd"  

This is one reason I always specifically format controls which 
display dates to  "dd mmm yy" or "dd mm yyyy"













 
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 15 20:56:09 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:56:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <SEA2-F32SHpVyLridnG00000725@hotmail.com>

If you do something a million times and measure the total time/iterations 
the accuracy improves.  But I don't see the relevance anyway.  Indexes are 
numeric pointers into the data anyway so the time to find a number or string 
that it indexed involves only a few comparisions.  The big difference is in 
the size of data and index that needs to be transferred from disk to 
processor which takes far more time than the time to make the comparisons.  
Once the table or index is cached, the processor speed makes very little 
difference.  The real issue is the fact that the data is much larger and the 
index is also as much larger and with a file server database, the size of 
the data and index makes far more impact on the ultimate performance than 
the processor speed.  I've recently seen a 200 mhz and a 2.4 ghz computer 
load the same data from a file server on the same LAN in the same time.  Yes 
the faster machine filters and sorts much faster.  You should see that 200 
mhz machine with cable modem kick the butt of the 2.4 ghz machine using a 
cellular phone modem loading web pages.  Multiplying the processor speed by 
12 times makes no discernable difference in load time, but there is no doubt 
that cutting the size of the data in half will improve data load time by a 
factor of two no matter what the speed of the processor.  You can only buy 
so much performance.  The rest has to be consciously designed.  Also, things 
like spaces, parentheses and hyphens can be used in formatting a numeric 
value.  Why do you suppose Microsoft and other software vendors store dates 
as numeric values?  Speed, efficiency and format flexibility.

Hen



>From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:16:21 +1000
>
>On 15 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>...
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>....
> >
> > And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> >
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
>
>The results are meaningless :-(
>Timer is only accurate to about 1/18th of a second ie to .0556
>seconds. Any test which takes less than that will either return 0 or
>.0556.
>
>You are carrying out a single indexed lookup on an open table plus
>a calculation using 5 functions (addition, Abs() CLng(), negation,
>NoMatch)
>
>Which do *you*  think takes longer (ie has most effect on your
>results)?
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 21:53:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:53:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)
In-Reply-To: <sf77fbb1.085@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Bryan,

I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to this site.  I have imported
into my framework the MD5 class as well as two of the registration key
generators.

I have been looking for some way to generate a unique ID like a SSN given
the lack of an SSN. The MD5 applied to an append of the lastname & firstname
& Phone (or something like that) will give me a unique identifier to use to
prevent duplicates and so forth.

The registration key classes likewise give me a new view of copy protection.

Thanks again,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)


The VB6 class for MD5 is drop and go, IIRC.

To use it all you need to do is:

Dim md5 As CMD5
Dim strEncrypted as String

Set md5 = New CMD5
strEncrypted = md5.md5("PlainTextToEncrypt")

That's all there is too it.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> stuart at pacific.net.hk 29-Sep-03 9:12:52 AM >>>
Actually this sounds like a better option than the one I'm using.  As I
need to
put a dll in the system path.  (not referenced directly thankfully)

I might take a look at this (and the other hash algorithm on this site)
and see
about converting to access.  (assuming its not drop in and play)

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Sunday, 28 September, 2003 11:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a
> lucky winner??)
>
>
> On 26 Sep 2003 at 20:38, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > Here are free code examples:
> >
> >   http://www.frez.co.uk/freecode.htm#md5
>
> The code available here is a VB6 class that imports quite well into
> A2K. I have used it in an Access Project.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 15 22:39:55 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:39:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <002901c39357$ab100ee0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEPLELAA.john@winhaven.net>

LOL!

Actually, I really appreciate these adventures in theory - although I would
imagine by now the original poster of this thread no longer cares! Although
most of these issues have no right or wrong, every now and again I do change
my outlook on an issue because of these threads. (I did it with regards to
RVBA a few a years ago.)

This thread has me re-thinking my guideline on how to type data. I've
appended the following exception:
Type data field by the data's purpose.
Numerical Type for numbers that are numerical values;
Text Type for numbers that are item identifiers;
Exception: if performance is an extremely important issue, then consider
storing numerical strings in a numerically typed field.

Thanks all! Its been another fun learning experience.

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> "Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew
>
> ...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
> program back in '83 :))))))
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> > You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that
> applies to
> > everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> code
> > for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> > change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> > decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> modify
> > also.
> >
> > Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> But
> > the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster,
> do you go
> > with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it
> better to stick
> > with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> > future variables?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > Ah but...
> >
> > one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
> of
> > a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
> utterly
> > different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> > fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> > original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> but
> > it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
> decisions.
> >
> > As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results
> on a test Db
> I
> > threw together.
> >
> > Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint
> field and a
> > string field. The long field is populated with random long
> integer values,
> > and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> > integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> >
> > The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network
> drive, and
> > the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
> to
> > search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> >
> > Sub testSearch()
> > Dim n As Long
> > Dim s As String
> >
> > Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> > Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> > Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> > Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> > Dim x As Long
> > Dim strHits As Long
> > Dim intHits As Long
> > Dim db As Database
> > Dim rs As Recordset
> > Dim sCriteria As String
> >     Randomize
> >     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
> >     For x = 1 To 1000
> >         With rs
> >             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
> >             s = CStr(n)
> >
> >             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
> >             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> > NumericSearchStart)
> >             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
> >             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> > TextSearchStart)
> >         End With
> >     Next x
> >     rs.Close
> >     Debug.Print "Average find times"
> >     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> > "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
> >     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000")
> &
> > " Hits:" & strHits
> >     Set db = Nothing
> >     Set rs = Nothing
> > End Sub
> >
> >
> > And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> >
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> >
> > As you can see the random search values never generated any
> hits - not too
> > surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> >
> > The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> times
> > steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> here.
> > But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> > search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> > performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of
> a second.
> > There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> >
> > I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> > indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> > field as well as the string one).
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!
> With the zip
> > > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> intact
> > > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> it
> > > stop :-)
> > >
> > > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > > considered
> > > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> "numerical"
> > > identifier might change?
> > >
> > > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there
> were no Zip
> > > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the
> hyphen plus
> > > four
> > > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any
> point in time
> > > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> identifier.
> > > In
> > > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> not
> > > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> but
> > > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> on.
> > >
> > > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > > compare
> > > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing
> numeric values,
> to
> > > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a
> standard binary
> > > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target
> string. (If
> > > my
> > > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> addition,
> > > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> first
> > > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > > it's
> > > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is
> not only a
> > > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just
> the 5 digit
> > > Zip
> > > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> addresses
> > > in
> > > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> because
> > > > it's
> > > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> stored
> > > > as
> > > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> that
> > > > range!
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
> telephone
> > > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
> some
> > > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument
> comes from
> > > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing
> everything
> > > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would
> you have for
> > > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive
> and with us.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even
> when that
> > > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
> should
> > > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
> resources
> > > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 15 23:35:06 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:35:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
 <17846221523.20031014205234@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3F8E1FFA.7050902@shaw.ca>

With six objects A,B,C,D,E,F you would have 20 unique combinations 
without regard to order.
Try code below to calculate the number of objects you can reasonably 
use, the calculation fails on overflow when n > 170
There are several methods to list out these combinations, in one of 
Knuth's programming textbooks.
I believe the third volume. I haven't got a copy handy, it's in another 
province. TAOCP should be required reading. 
http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html


Counting combinations - example


How many different groups of 3 could be selected from the 5 objects A, 
B, C, D, E?

5 ways to select the first, 4 to then select the second, and 3 ways to 
select the third, so 5*4*3 ways to choose when order matters

But, every group of 3 (e.g. A, B, C) is counted 6 (=3!) times: ABC, ACB, 
BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA

So, total number of groups when ignore order is 5*4*3/(3*2*1) = 10

5! / 3!(5-3)! 120/6*2 =10

Counting combinations


In general, the number of different groups of r objects out of n is

n* (n-1) * ... * (n-r+1)/r! = n!/( r! (n-r)! )

This number is written ( nr ), and is pronounced ?n choose r?

Example: How many 5 card poker hands are possible (out of a deck of 52 
cards)?

There are ( 525 ) = 2,598,960 poker hands



Public Function Combination(FromN As Long, SelectR As Long) As Double
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

'**********************************************************************************************************
'
'Purpose: Algorithm that calculates the arrangement of R objects 
selected from N objects without regard to order.
'
'Argument(s): SelectR - long integer number, FromN - long integer number.
'
'Source: http://www.paretoanalysts.com
'
'Author: Pareto Analysts
'
'Creation Date: December 1, 2001
'
'Description: Calculates the number of possible arrangements of 
(SelectR) items chosen from (FromN) items.
' without regard to order. When an arrangement is selected, it cannot be 
rearranged to mean
' something else.
' nCr = n! / (r!*(n-r)!)
' nCr = (FromN)! / (SelectR)!*(FromN - SelectR)!
'
'Return Value: The number of possible arrangements of one item with 
respect to another item without regard to order.
'
'Return Type: Double
'
'Limitation: The Largest Number that can be passed is 170 corresponding 
to 170!(7.25741561530799E+306)
'
Combination = Factorial(FromN) / ((Factorial(SelectR)) * Factorial(FromN 
- SelectR))



Exit_ErrorHandler:
Exit Function

ErrorHandler:
MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbInformation, 
"www.paretoanalysts.com Combination "
Resume Exit_ErrorHandler
End Function
Private Function Factorial(n As Long) As Double
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

'**********************************************************************************************************
'
'Purpose: Algorithm that calculates the Factorial of Numbers (N!) up to 170.
'
'Argument(s): N - long integer number less than 171.
'
'Source: http://www.paretoanalysts.com
'
'Author: Pareto Analysts
'
'Creation Date: December 1, 2001
'
'Description: Calculates the Factorial of a Number. N! can be computed 
as N*(N-1)*(N-2)...(N-(N-1))*2*1
' E.g. 5! = 5*4*3*2*1
'
'Return Value: The Factorial of the Number passed to it.
'
'Return Type: Double
'
'Limitation: The Largest Number that can be passed is 170 corresponding 
to 170!(7.25741561530799E+306)
'
'
'Warranty : No claim is made as to the accuracy or fitness of this 
algorithm. The use of this
' algorithm is at your own risk and choice and the author is not liable 
in anyway
' for its use or damages that may occur as a result of its use.
'
'Copyright: The use or distribution of this algorithm is free provided 
that it is
' used or distributed along with this header notice and this header notice
' has not been modified in any way. If this algorithm is used in a 
compiled form then
' the header notice must also be placed in a readme.txt file
'
'Inquiries: Inquiries about this algorithm, data mining, statistical 
analysis and data analysis
' can be directed to http://www.paretoanalysts.com
'
'**********************************************************************************************************

If n < 0 Then

Factorial = 0

ElseIf n = 0 Then

Factorial = 1

Else

Factorial = n * Factorial(n - 1)

End If



Exit_ErrorHandler:
Exit Function


ErrorHandler:
MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbInformation, 
"www.paretoanalysts.com Factorial "
Resume Exit_ErrorHandler
End Function

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Lonnie
>
>So a maximum would be 10 rows?
>Like Jim, out of curiosity, what is this accounting feature? Balancing
>of payments or bank transactions?
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>Thank you Gustav,
>>    
>>
> 
>  
>
>>The number of rows may vary with each client. This will be an accounting feature. There will be a client number and that's how I will group. A client could have one record or ten records. I was
>>looking for something efficient and something that I could load a couple of variables which would be the number of records and an array of the values.
>>    
>>
> 
>  
>
>>Thanks again.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: 
>>Hi Lonnie
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>If you only have a few rows as shown I don't think you have any other
>>possibility than trying the different combinations using some loops.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>You could, of course, start by ruling out some of the impossible
>>combinations by adding all the negatives and all the positives; here
>>it will return -5 and +18 which shows that 7 can be ruled out as it is
>>larger than the absolute value of the sum of negatives. On the other
>>hand, -2 and -3 must be included in any combination as the absolute
>>value of the sum of these equals the smallest positive number, 5.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>If you have many rows you'll have to find some smarter routines as the
>>number of combinations increase dramatically.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>/gustav
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>>This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>Example:
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>MyField
>>>5
>>>-2
>>>7
>>>-3
>>>6
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 
>>>      
>>>
>
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-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 01:57:07 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:57:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227346@main2.marlow.com>

If it was going to be an international db, then you're right, a Zip code
field wouldn't be a number.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


While I not been following this thread completely, why would ZIP code
ever be a number? Besides leading zeros, many non-US postal codes are
mixed alpha-numeric ... Do you mean you'd add another field for that,
rather than a "postal code" field to handle ANY country?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
intact (and all 'search' routines) would still work.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
it stop :-)

One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
considered is is there any possibility that the design / structure of
the "numerical" identifier might change?

To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
four digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in
time because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
identifier. In other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code,
so it should not be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code
as a Long Int, but you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to
change things later on.

As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
compare a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric
values, to search a sorted list really does not take that long as a
standard binary chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the
target string. (If my mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a
string in a list of one billion (10^9) strings would require 30
comparisons at most.) In addition, the initial stages of the binary chop
only need to compare the first character (or first few) in the string
with the first character (or first
few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
it's just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.



Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a

> storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit 
> Zip code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for 
> addresses in the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as

> text, the processor is going to have to compare each digit of the 
> number, because it's looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  
> However, if it's stored as
> a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
that
> range!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for 
> telephone numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use 
> numbers for some kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the 
> argument comes from in the first place, that and the old approach of 
> squeezing everything into the smallest possible datatype to shave 
> storage bytes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for 
> treating such an entry as a number?
> 
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the old school 
> > early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything text unless 
> > an actual calculation must be performed, even when that doesn't 
> > necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a number it

> > should be treated as a number unless there is a very compelling 
> > reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and probably 
> > others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells you that if the data

> > is numeric you should use a number data type, using text just 
> > muddies things up. As far as a number field needing "additional 
> > resources", especially for calculations, that makes no sense at all 
> > to me. Some number types may take additional storage space as 
> > compared to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic 
> > >tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use text.

> > >And that a number data type requires additional resources in order 
> > >for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 01:58:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:58:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227347@main2.marlow.com>

LOL....so true.....but do you realize how much money that guy made for
everyone else?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


"Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew

...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
program back in '83 :))))))

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


> You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
code
> for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
modify
> also.
>
> Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
But
> the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> future variables?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Ah but...
>
> one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
of
> a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
utterly
> different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
but
> it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
decisions.
>
> As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
I
> threw together.
>
> Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
> and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
> The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
> the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
to
> search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
> Sub testSearch()
> Dim n As Long
> Dim s As String
>
> Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> Dim x As Long
> Dim strHits As Long
> Dim intHits As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
&
> " Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
> As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
> surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
> The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
times
> steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
here.
> But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
> I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> field as well as the string one).
>
> Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
telephone
> > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
some
> > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > >
> > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > >
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
should
> > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
resources
> > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 02:01:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:01:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227348@main2.marlow.com>

You're right on the CPU speed.  It will certainly get faster.  However, my
point was that we don't know what we will be doing 5 years from now, with
that speed?  We may end up with a VR system, that slows things down quite a
bit.  Building a system for speed is not a practice we should drop just
because speed is abundant right now.  You never know what is going to come
along and suck up that speed.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Drew,

True the (US) post office may or may not be planning a zip code reorg, but
the point is that the Zip code is just an example of a number that's not
really an number at all.

Other things often get "numerical" values, like Customer Numbers, Account
Numbers, Part Numbers etc. but they are not numbers in reality. They are
simply identifiers. These are exactly the kind of things that management can
and does change its mind about at the drop of a hat. There's no guarantee
that you'll get a 'decent amount of lead time' when the decision come down
the line.

To your second point, if today's processors are such that speed is not
critical anymore, then there's surely not much chance that tomorrows CPU's
will be significantly slower. So we have processing power to spare, and
searching string values is no big deal.

The really significant point about searches is to make wise choices as to
which fields will be indexed. Good indexing equals fast searches. No
indexing means massive network traffic and lots of waiting around.

My vote is for the philosophy that says "use a data type that's appropriate
to the type of data".

JM2CW

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:12 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> code
> for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> modify
> also.  
> 
> Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> But
> the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> future variables?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Ah but...
> 
> one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
> of
> a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
> utterly
> different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> but
> it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
> decisions.
> 
> As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
> I
> threw together.
> 
> Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
> and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> 
> The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
> the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
> to
> search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> 
> Sub testSearch()
> Dim n As Long
> Dim s As String
>     
> Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> Dim x As Long
> Dim strHits As Long
> Dim intHits As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
> 
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
> &
> " Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
> End Sub
> 
> 
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> 
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> 
> As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
> surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> 
> The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> times
> steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> here.
> But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> 
> I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> field as well as the string one).
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> it
> > stop :-)
> > 
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> "numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> > 
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> on.
> > 
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
> to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> that
> > > range!
> > > 
> > > Drew
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
> telephone
> > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
> some
> > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > 
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > > 
> > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > > 
> > > Susan H.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
> should 
> > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
> resources 
> > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Thu Oct 16 03:15:42 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:15:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] VBA - all menu functions are disabled
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6A6FADB@lbrn12.d20.intra>

On Access XP, in the code window all standard menu items and buttons are
disabled, non standard items such as VBACodePrint all work OK. In the
main Access window everything seems to work OK.

Any ideas on how I can re-set all of this please?

Many thanks
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Oct 16 03:49:47 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBB6@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

A colleague has raised a point and I wonder whether anyone in this list has
any experience or knowledge of this.

My colleague has suggested that there is (maybe) a problem when packaging
Access systems (and VB)  (say using Package Wizard, althought the logic
could be applied to any packaging software) in that if the package is
created under XP then the various dll's and so on packaged are those
designed for XP - and that these may vary, in some cases, to those packaged
when creating a package under NT or Win 98. So that....

Package Under XP....Deploy XP >> OK
Package Under XP....Deploy Win 98/95...possible problems.

I must admit I did have a problem with one user (win 95) when the
application did not work properly (lots of strange things - compile errors
etc) on their machine - yet it worked ok on others -  I think the package
was created under XP - so this may support the above argument.  As a
precaution I now package my apps under win 98 (but this is a pain on my dual
boot machine having to boot/reboot/test/repackage to correct then
/boot/reboot/test and so on)

Has anyone come across this.

Many thanks in advance

Richard


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 16 04:30:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:30:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sf77fbb1.085@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <3F8E2CE0.4193.114E1E@localhost>

On 15 Oct 2003 at 22:53, John Colby wrote:

> I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to this site.  I have
> imported into my framework the MD5 class as well as two of the
> registration key generators.

You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you 
to the site.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Normal people worry me.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 03:54:21 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:54:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <002901c39357$ab100ee0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222733C@main2.marlow.com>
 <002901c39357$ab100ee0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <577219671.20031016105421@cactus.dk>

Hi William

Ahh, you know better!
That was not to gain speed but to save storage area, ram as well as
disk. 

/gustav


>> "Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew

> ...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
> program back in '83 :))))))


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 03:51:22 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:51:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <001301c39356$7d40b8d0$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <001301c39356$7d40b8d0$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <1857040874.20031016105122@cactus.dk>

Hi Mrs. Anonymous

> While I not been following this thread completely, why would ZIP code
> ever be a number?

Because in many countries they are numbers. Here, such an identifier
is not even called a "postal code" but a "postal number".

> Besides leading zeros, many non-US postal codes are
> mixed alpha-numeric ... Do you mean you'd add another field for that,
> rather than a "postal code" field to handle ANY country?

If you are into internationalization, handling postal codes and
address formats is a major task. You would develop a set of optimized
postal code and address formats and for each country select the set to
apply. 
For those sets for countries using alpha-numeric postal codes (like
Britain) you would, of course, have a field format and data type to
accommodate that.

However, most developers fall back to add a second or third address
line for "strange addresses" where you can type in postal code etc. in
free style.

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 04:06:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:06:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D7@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D7@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <307925295.20031016110606@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

I think you are mixing up two things here.

Private formats controlled by some management may, of course, be
changed with no warning.

Public formats, however, are so widely used that you'll always be
given a lead time counted in years. This holds true for postal code
formats, telephone number formats etc.

Have for example a look at how slowly but steadily the IBAN
international numbering format for bank accounts is promoted while
you still, but at increasing costs, can use the old system with bank
names, BIC (SWIFT) codes and account numbers.

But I will vote with you.

/gustav


> Drew,

> True the (US) post office may or may not be planning a zip code reorg, but
> the point is that the Zip code is just an example of a number that's not
> really an number at all.

> Other things often get "numerical" values, like Customer Numbers, Account
> Numbers, Part Numbers etc. but they are not numbers in reality. They are
> simply identifiers. These are exactly the kind of things that management can
> and does change its mind about at the drop of a hat. There's no guarantee
> that you'll get a 'decent amount of lead time' when the decision come down
> the line.

> To your second point, if today's processors are such that speed is not
> critical anymore, then there's surely not much chance that tomorrows CPU's
> will be significantly slower. So we have processing power to spare, and
> searching string values is no big deal.

> The really significant point about searches is to make wise choices as to
> which fields will be indexed. Good indexing equals fast searches. No
> indexing means massive network traffic and lots of waiting around.

> My vote is for the philosophy that says "use a data type that's appropriate
> to the type of data".

> JM2CW

> Lambert


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 16 05:06:01 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:06:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBB6@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <3F8E3549.3753.3226B2@localhost>

On 16 Oct 2003 at 9:49, Griffiths, Richard wrote:

> A colleague has raised a point and I wonder whether anyone in this
> list has any experience or knowledge of this.

Not first hand, but a buddy of mine had a similar problem, only..

The app was packaged on a 9X system and was installed on his NT4 
workstation. He basically lost use of his workstation until one of the 
guys in his shop created a small installer that all it did was 
replace the installed 9X DLLs with the correct NT4 DLLs

> Package Under XP....Deploy XP >> OK
> Package Under XP....Deploy Win 98/95...possible problems.

I have always read and been told that as long as you build on an NT 
based system (NT, 2K, XP) then you can deploy on 9x and NT based 
boxes.

I can't cite any references though.

So I really don't think that you need to worry about it too nuch.

Although if you are concerned, have a test 9x box to run your 
installs on after building them before releasing.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Warning: dates on calendar are closer than they appear.



From artful at rogers.com  Thu Oct 16 09:50:09 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:50:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
In-Reply-To: <01df01c39288$edc89920$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000001c393f4$d67bd990$6501a8c0@rock>

Use the WindowMode argument, specifying the WindowMode argument:
 
docmd.OpenReport "myReport",View:=acViewPreview ,WindowMode:=acDialog 
 
HTH,
Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


Dear List:
 
Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is
open?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 


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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Thu Oct 16 07:32:00 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:32:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8e5784.008@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

>From the original poster...  

Wow, that was a little (lot??!) more than I expected!    

The Budget Number field we use is really an identifier, not a value.  (Perhaps that "old school" notion of using text unless an actual calculation must be performed was not so far off.)  In any event, while speed and storage space should always be considered, the field is an organizational format and it's quite possible that it could change.  So you've given me something to think about.

Thank you all for your responses.  They were most interesting and informative, as usual...

- cindy

>>> john at winhaven.net 10/15/03 11:39PM >>>
LOL!

Actually, I really appreciate these adventures in theory - although I would
imagine by now the original poster of this thread no longer cares! Although
most of these issues have no right or wrong, every now and again I do change
my outlook on an issue because of these threads. (I did it with regards to
RVBA a few a years ago.)

This thread has me re-thinking my guideline on how to type data. I've
appended the following exception:
Type data field by the data's purpose.
Numerical Type for numbers that are numerical values;
Text Type for numbers that are item identifiers;
Exception: if performance is an extremely important issue, then consider
storing numerical strings in a numerically typed field.

Thanks all! Its been another fun learning experience.

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> "Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew
>
> ...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
> program back in '83 :))))))
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> > You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that
> applies to
> > everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> code
> > for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> > change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> > decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> modify
> > also.
> >
> > Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> But
> > the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster,
> do you go
> > with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it
> better to stick
> > with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> > future variables?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > Ah but...
> >
> > one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
> of
> > a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
> utterly
> > different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> > fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> > original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> but
> > it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
> decisions.
> >
> > As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results
> on a test Db
> I
> > threw together.
> >
> > Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint
> field and a
> > string field. The long field is populated with random long
> integer values,
> > and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> > integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> >
> > The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network
> drive, and
> > the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
> to
> > search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> >
> > Sub testSearch()
> > Dim n As Long
> > Dim s As String
> >
> > Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> > Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> > Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> > Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> > Dim x As Long
> > Dim strHits As Long
> > Dim intHits As Long
> > Dim db As Database
> > Dim rs As Recordset
> > Dim sCriteria As String
> >     Randomize
> >     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
> >     For x = 1 To 1000
> >         With rs
> >             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
> >             s = CStr(n)
> >
> >             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
> >             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> > NumericSearchStart)
> >             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
> >             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> > TextSearchStart)
> >         End With
> >     Next x
> >     rs.Close
> >     Debug.Print "Average find times"
> >     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> > "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
> >     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000")
> &
> > " Hits:" & strHits
> >     Set db = Nothing
> >     Set rs = Nothing
> > End Sub
> >
> >
> > And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> >
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> >
> > As you can see the random search values never generated any
> hits - not too
> > surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> >
> > The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> times
> > steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> here.
> > But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> > search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> > performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of
> a second.
> > There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> >
> > I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> > indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> > field as well as the string one).
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!
> With the zip
> > > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> intact
> > > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> it
> > > stop :-)
> > >
> > > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > > considered
> > > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> "numerical"
> > > identifier might change?
> > >
> > > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there
> were no Zip
> > > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the
> hyphen plus
> > > four
> > > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any
> point in time
> > > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> identifier.
> > > In
> > > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> not
> > > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> but
> > > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> on.
> > >
> > > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > > compare
> > > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing
> numeric values,
> to
> > > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a
> standard binary
> > > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target
> string. (If
> > > my
> > > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> addition,
> > > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> first
> > > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > > it's
> > > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is
> not only a
> > > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just
> the 5 digit
> > > Zip
> > > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> addresses
> > > in
> > > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> because
> > > > it's
> > > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> stored
> > > > as
> > > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> that
> > > > range!
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
> telephone
> > > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
> some
> > > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument
> comes from
> > > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing
> everything
> > > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would
> you have for
> > > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive
> and with us.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even
> when that
> > > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
> should
> > > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
> resources
> > > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu Oct 16 05:45:13 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:45:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEPCELAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <14e101c393d2$943348b0$0200a8c0@S856>

in fact 'von' is always lower case in Germany (and it is originally German)
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


> Oleg,
> Von is not always capitilized. I don't know of any rule but quite often it
> is all lowercase. For my ProperCase function I use a lookup table for
> exceptions and have a edit form for the totally unusual situations.
>
> HTH
> John B.
> WinHaven LLC
> :o)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:41 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
> >
> >
> > Hey Group,
> > I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
> > McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac respectively)
> > O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")
> >
> >  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> > I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies. Am
> > I missing anything ?
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 16 08:34:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:34:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)
In-Reply-To: <3F8E2CE0.4193.114E1E@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you to the
site.

Ooops.

Now I suppose I'll have to endure a lecture on internationalizing the
algorithms (they use 8 bit ascii codes).

<grin>

Well, thanks Gustav.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)


On 15 Oct 2003 at 22:53, John Colby wrote:

> I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to this site.  I have
> imported into my framework the MD5 class as well as two of the
> registration key generators.

You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you
to the site.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 08:52:48 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:52:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <3F8E1FFA.7050902@shaw.ca>
References: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
 <17846221523.20031014205234@cactus.dk> <3F8E1FFA.7050902@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <17825126900.20031016155248@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Interesting functions. Where have you obtained those?

However, they are not quite valid for the original subject as you
can't count on having a fixed number of selected items; you need
minimum two (if two rows carry the same amount, only positive and
negative, they will sum to zero) but the selection could as well
include all items and anything in between.

A collection of two has four combinations

  0 0
  1 0
  0 1
  1 1

but we rule out the selection of none and one item leaving only one
useful selection (1,1) out of four.

For every item added after the first two you have twice as many
combinations. Thus, the number of different useful combinations is 2^n
minus 3 or 

  2^(n-1)-1

This doesn't help us much, though, as you all know that 2 raised to
something very quickly turns out as astronomical numbers.

At n = 20 we have already passed 0.5 mio. combinations and at n = 30
five hundred mio. At numbers like these applying brute computing power
only makes no sense, you have to be smart too.

Here, for example, one can quickly see that selecting positive or
negative values only would lead to nothing as such a collection would
never sum to zero. You would need to separate the items in two pools,
positives and negatives, and for any valid combination from pool
Positives compare the sum to any valid combination from pool Negatives
and check if the absolute value of the two sums are equal.

The number of tests would be:

  (2^(p-1)-1) * (2^(n-1)-1)

Still comes out as large numbers; matching 10 positives and 10
negatives results in 261121 combinations ...

/gustav


> With six objects A,B,C,D,E,F you would have 20 unique combinations 
> without regard to order.
> Try code below to calculate the number of objects you can reasonably 
> use, the calculation fails on overflow when n > 170
> There are several methods to list out these combinations, in one of 
> Knuth's programming textbooks.
> I believe the third volume. I haven't got a copy handy, it's in another 
> province. TAOCP should be required reading. 
> http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html


> Counting combinations - example


> How many different groups of 3 could be selected from the 5 objects A, 
> B, C, D, E?

> 5 ways to select the first, 4 to then select the second, and 3 ways to 
> select the third, so 5*4*3 ways to choose when order matters

> But, every group of 3 (e.g. A, B, C) is counted 6 (=3!) times: ABC, ACB, 
> BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA

> So, total number of groups when ignore order is 5*4*3/(3*2*1) = 10

> 5! / 3!(5-3)! 120/6*2 =10

> Counting combinations


> In general, the number of different groups of r objects out of n is

> n* (n-1) * ... * (n-r+1)/r! = n!/( r! (n-r)! )

> This number is written ( nr ), and is pronounced ?n choose r?

> Example: How many 5 card poker hands are possible (out of a deck of 52 
> cards)?

> There are ( 525 ) = 2,598,960 poker hands


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 16 08:53:30 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:53:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <14e101c393d2$943348b0$0200a8c0@S856>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEPCELAA.john@winhaven.net>
        <14e101c393d2$943348b0$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <44045.12.3.132.98.1066312410.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
"," & aRecord(8) & ")"
        con.Execute (strSQL)

whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it works
fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object is closed"
error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less correctly)

Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection

If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then

    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
        'strline =
        aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
        Debug.Print aRecord(6) & "  " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)

        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
"," & aRecord(8) & ")"
        con.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 09:03:05 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:03:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9925744208.20031016160305@cactus.dk>

Hi John

>>You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you to the
>> site.

> Ooops.

> Now I suppose I'll have to endure a lecture on internationalizing the
> algorithms (they use 8 bit ascii codes).

That would be nice. However, if I recall correctly, the author did
include some remarks on Unicode and byte arrays.

> <grin>

> Well, thanks Gustav.

You're welcome! Actually, I can recommend all to visit that page as it
lists many interesting topics with included code:

  http://www.frez.co.uk/freecode.htm

/gustav


>> I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to this site.  I have
>> imported into my framework the MD5 class as well as two of the
>> registration key generators.

> You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you
> to the site.

> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 16 09:04:21 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:04:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77DB@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Hello Gustav,

This has been an interesting discussion, to say the least, but I have to say
that I do appreciate that the US Government is not likely to suddenly do an
overnight change to the postal code system. It's just that everybody got
hooked on talking specifically about Zip codes which is why I said that "the
point is that the Zip code is just an *example* of a number that's not
really an number at all."

As it turns out, Cynthia was talking about exactly the kind of "private"
identifiers that can get changed on a whim by shortsighted managers. :-)

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:06 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Hi Lambert
> 
> I think you are mixing up two things here.
> 
> Private formats controlled by some management may, of course, be
> changed with no warning.
> 
> Public formats, however, are so widely used that you'll always be
> given a lead time counted in years. This holds true for postal code
> formats, telephone number formats etc.
> 
> Have for example a look at how slowly but steadily the IBAN
> international numbering format for bank accounts is promoted while
> you still, but at increasing costs, can use the old system with bank
> names, BIC (SWIFT) codes and account numbers.
> 
> But I will vote with you.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Drew,
> 
> > True the (US) post office may or may not be planning a zip code reorg,
> but
> > the point is that the Zip code is just an example of a number that's not
> > really an number at all.
	  <snip> 


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 16 09:06:15 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:06:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
Message-ID: <25956536.1066313175323.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database for the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command con.execute.
Paul




Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM 
>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table 
I still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other 
things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work 
strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & 
"," & aRecord(8) & ")" 
con.Execute (strSQL) 

whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it works 
fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object is closed" 
error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less correctly) 

Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject 
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream 
Dim strLine As String 
Dim aRecord 
Dim strSQL As String 
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection 

If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then 

Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars 
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading) 

Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream 

strLine = ts.ReadLine 
'strline = 
aRecord = Split(strLine, ",") 
aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4) 
Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8) 

strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & 
"," & aRecord(8) & ")" 
con.Execute (strSQL) 

Loop 
Else 
MsgBox ("file doesn't exist") 
End If 



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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Thu Oct 16 08:32:53 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:32:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D620B@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

A date is a number.  It is the count of years, etc from a given start point.

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 21:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


<SNIPPED>
Also, things like spaces, parentheses and hyphens can be used in formatting
a numeric 
value.  Why do you suppose Microsoft and other software vendors store dates 
as numeric values?  Speed, efficiency and format flexibility.

Hen



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 16 09:22:45 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:22:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77DC@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Stuart,

You commented...  

"You are carrying out a single indexed lookup on an open table plus
a calculation using 5 functions (addition, Abs() CLng(), negation, 
NoMatch)

Which do *you*  think takes longer (ie has most effect on your 
results)?"


Why do *you* think that I originally said (complete with all the typos)...

"There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
 
 I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
 indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
 field as well as the string one)."

In fact without the indexes on the fields the search proceeds with miserable
slowness as the entire table has to be scanned one record at a time to
locate (or not) a matching record. 

So in answer to your question, the point is not which of the various math,
string manipulation, Boolean operations and index look-ups take the longest,
or what impact the 1/18th of a second resolution of Timer has on the result.
Rather the point is that we do all of these data manipulations every time we
need to look up some data in any database. You cannot make the omelet
without breaking an egg.

My simple demo code looks up data in half a million records and it plainly
demonstrates that with an index it's quite fast, and without an index it's
slow as a cow swimming in a treacle-filled pool. So where does that make the
results meaningless? Now if you want to argue about whether .findfirst takes
0.05 seconds, or 0.04 or 0.0001 seconds then of course my code is not going
to answer the question. It was about index versus non-indexed searches,
that's all.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Stuart McLachlan [SMTP:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:16 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> On 15 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
> ...
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
> ....
> > 
> > And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> > 
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> 
> The results are meaningless :-(
> Timer is only accurate to about 1/18th of a second ie to .0556 
> seconds. Any test which takes less than that will either return 0 or 
> .0556.
> 
> You are carrying out a single indexed lookup on an open table plus
> a calculation using 5 functions (addition, Abs() CLng(), negation, 
> NoMatch)
> 
> Which do *you*  think takes longer (ie has most effect on your 
> results)?
> 
>  
> -- 
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> Support.
> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 16 09:31:19 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:31:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <25956536.1066313175323.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
References: <25956536.1066313175323.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <57221.12.3.132.98.1066314679.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I thought I was using the default connection ?

Also I tried it using this
 DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ", "
& aRecord(8) & ")"

but I get some pitiful results :(

> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database for
> the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command
> con.execute. Paul
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table  I
> still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
> "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
> con.Execute (strSQL)
>
> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it works
>  fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object is
> closed"  error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less correctly)
>
> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim aRecord
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>
> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>
> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>
> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>
> strLine = ts.ReadLine
> 'strline =
> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)
>
> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
> "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
> con.Execute (strSQL)
>
> Loop
> Else
> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
> End If
>
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 16 09:43:37 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:43:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
Message-ID: <28810575.1066315417044.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

try adding this line after 
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
Set con = CurrentProject.Connection
This tells it to use the current database.
Paul




Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM 
>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table 
I thought I was using the default connection ? 

Also I tried it using this 
DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ", " 
& aRecord(8) & ")" 

but I get some pitiful results :( 

> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database for 
> the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command 
> con.execute. Paul 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM 
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Copy to : 
> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I 
> still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other 
> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work 
> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & 
> "," & aRecord(8) & ")" 
> con.Execute (strSQL) 
> 
> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it works 
> fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object is 
> closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less correctly) 
> 
> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject 
> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream 
> Dim strLine As String 
> Dim aRecord 
> Dim strSQL As String 
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection 
> 
> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then 
> 
> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars 
> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading) 
> 
> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream 
> 
> strLine = ts.ReadLine 
> 'strline = 
> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",") 
> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4) 
> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8) 
> 
> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & 
> "," & aRecord(8) & ")" 
> con.Execute (strSQL) 
> 
> Loop 
> Else 
> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist") 
> End If 
> 
> 
> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 16 10:09:07 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:09:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <28810575.1066315417044.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
References: <28810575.1066315417044.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <17351.12.3.132.98.1066316947.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I do not have CurrentProject available (i am Access 97, i put reference on
Object 2.5 Lirary) I've selected CurrentDB.Connection, but get the error
message --
Operation not supported for this type of object

> try adding this line after
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
> Set con = CurrentProject.Connection
> This tells it to use the current database.
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
> I thought I was using the default connection ?
>
> Also I tried it using this
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ",
> "  & aRecord(8) & ")"
>
> but I get some pitiful results :(
>
>> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database
>> for  the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command
>> con.execute. Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM
>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Copy to :
>> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I
>> still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
>> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &  ","
>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>
>> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it
>> works  fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object
>> is  closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less
>> correctly)
>>
>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim aRecord
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>
>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>>
>>
>> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>
>> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>
>> strLine = ts.ReadLine
>> 'strline =
>> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
>> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)
>>
>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &  ","
>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>
>> Loop
>> Else
>> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>> End If
>>
>>
>>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 16 10:21:36 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:21:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
 table
Message-ID: <16926018.1066317696730.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

hmmmm, don't know what to suggest unless you use DAO then
Dim db as DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDB
db.Execute(strSql)
Paul




Message date : Oct 16 2003, 04:13 PM 
>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table 
I do not have CurrentProject available (i am Access 97, i put reference on 
Object 2.5 Lirary) I've selected CurrentDB.Connection, but get the error 
message -- 
Operation not supported for this type of object 

> try adding this line after 
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection 
> Set con = CurrentProject.Connection 
> This tells it to use the current database. 
> Paul 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM 
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Copy to : 
> Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table 
> I thought I was using the default connection ? 
> 
> Also I tried it using this 
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ", 
> " & aRecord(8) & ")" 
> 
> but I get some pitiful results :( 
> 
>> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database 
>> for the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command 
>> con.execute. Paul 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM 
>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>> Copy to : 
>> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I 
>> still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other 
>> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work 
>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & "," 
>> & aRecord(8) & ")" 
>> con.Execute (strSQL) 
>> 
>> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it 
>> works fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object 
>> is closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less 
>> correctly) 
>> 
>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject 
>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream 
>> Dim strLine As String 
>> Dim aRecord 
>> Dim strSQL As String 
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection 
>> 
>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then 
>> 
>> 
>> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars 
>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading) 
>> 
>> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream 
>> 
>> strLine = ts.ReadLine 
>> 'strline = 
>> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",") 
>> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4) 
>> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8) 
>> 
>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & "," 
>> & aRecord(8) & ")" 
>> con.Execute (strSQL) 
>> 
>> Loop 
>> Else 
>> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist") 
>> End If 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 16 10:51:31 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <16926018.1066317696730.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
References: <16926018.1066317696730.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <32673.12.3.132.98.1066319491.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

hmmm, this is getting better, its on the right track
Now I got "to few parameters" error, Even so there are 5 clumns in the
table, and  Iimporting 5 fields


Dim db As DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDb
strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c, d, e) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
"," & aRecord(1) & "," & aRecord(2) & "," & aRecord(3) & "," & aRecord(8)
& ")"
db.Execute (strSQL)




> hmmmm, don't know what to suggest unless you use DAO then
> Dim db as DAO.Database
> Set db = CurrentDB
> db.Execute(strSql)
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 04:13 PM
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
> table  I do not have CurrentProject available (i am Access 97, i put
> reference on  Object 2.5 Lirary) I've selected CurrentDB.Connection, but
> get the error  message --
> Operation not supported for this type of object
>
>> try adding this line after
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>> Set con = CurrentProject.Connection
>> This tells it to use the current database.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM
>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Copy to :
>> Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
>> table  I thought I was using the default connection ?
>>
>> Also I tried it using this
>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
>> ",  " & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>
>> but I get some pitiful results :(
>>
>>> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database
>>> for the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command
>>> con.execute. Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM
>>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Copy to :
>>> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I
>>>  still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
>>> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
>>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ","
>>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it
>>> works fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object
>>> is closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less
>>> correctly)
>>>
>>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>>> Dim strLine As String
>>> Dim aRecord
>>> Dim strSQL As String
>>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>>
>>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv")
>>> Then
>>>
>>>
>>> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>>
>>> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>>
>>> strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>> 'strline =
>>> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
>>> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)
>>>
>>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ","
>>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>> Loop
>>> Else
>>> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>>> End If
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 16 11:12:21 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:12:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
Message-ID: <BAY1-F37N6SPPzo1VgS000178fe@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the code...its steps through fine...finds the window...I get no 
error...but it doesn't do anything to it?  Am I missing a part?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:32:06 -0500
>
>Try this...
>
>Public Declare Function DestroyWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long) As
>Long
>
>Function fDestroyWindow(WindowName As String)
>On Error GoTo erlevel
>Dim winHwnd As Long
>Dim RetVal As Long
>winHwnd = FindWindow(vbNullString, WindowName)
>If winHwnd <> 0 Then
>RetVal = DestroyWindow(winHwnd)
>End If
>erlevel:
>End Function
>
>It's probably not the best method.....I know there are API's to kill
>threads, but this was in an old project of mine, so it was the first thing 
>I
>had handy.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:03 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can call from A97 
>to
>
>kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Thu Oct 16 11:13:00 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:13:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D62F7@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

Are any of the values strings?  If so they need to be wrapped in single
quotes.

Values('" & aRecord(0) & "', " &...

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:52
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table


hmmm, this is getting better, its on the right track
Now I got "to few parameters" error, Even so there are 5 clumns in the
table, and  Iimporting 5 fields


Dim db As DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDb
strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c, d, e) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
"," & aRecord(1) & "," & aRecord(2) & "," & aRecord(3) & "," & aRecord(8)
& ")"
db.Execute (strSQL)




> hmmmm, don't know what to suggest unless you use DAO then
> Dim db as DAO.Database
> Set db = CurrentDB
> db.Execute(strSql)
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 04:13 PM
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
> table  I do not have CurrentProject available (i am Access 97, i put
> reference on  Object 2.5 Lirary) I've selected CurrentDB.Connection, but
> get the error  message --
> Operation not supported for this type of object
>
>> try adding this line after
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>> Set con = CurrentProject.Connection
>> This tells it to use the current database.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM
>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Copy to :
>> Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
>> table  I thought I was using the default connection ?
>>
>> Also I tried it using this
>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
>> ",  " & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>
>> but I get some pitiful results :(
>>
>>> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database
>>> for the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command
>>> con.execute. Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM
>>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Copy to :
>>> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I
>>>  still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
>>> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
>>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ","
>>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it
>>> works fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object
>>> is closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less
>>> correctly)
>>>
>>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>>> Dim strLine As String
>>> Dim aRecord
>>> Dim strSQL As String
>>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>>
>>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv")
>>> Then
>>>
>>>
>>> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>>
>>> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>>
>>> strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>> 'strline =
>>> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
>>> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)
>>>
>>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ","
>>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>> Loop
>>> Else
>>> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>>> End If
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 11:28:52 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:28:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227354@main2.marlow.com>

Probably not.  It just sends a 'close' message to the window itself.  If the
thread is locked up, then it needs to be shut down hard.  There is a
TerminateProcess API, but I don't know off hand how to get the handle to an
external process.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager


Thanks for the code...its steps through fine...finds the window...I get no 
error...but it doesn't do anything to it?  Am I missing a part?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:32:06 -0500
>
>Try this...
>
>Public Declare Function DestroyWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long) As
>Long
>
>Function fDestroyWindow(WindowName As String)
>On Error GoTo erlevel
>Dim winHwnd As Long
>Dim RetVal As Long
>winHwnd = FindWindow(vbNullString, WindowName)
>If winHwnd <> 0 Then
>RetVal = DestroyWindow(winHwnd)
>End If
>erlevel:
>End Function
>
>It's probably not the best method.....I know there are API's to kill
>threads, but this was in an old project of mine, so it was the first thing 
>I
>had handy.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:03 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can call from A97 
>to
>
>kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 16 11:45:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:45:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312399@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I built an app on an NT platform for installation to a Win98 machine and
had some problems on the Win98 platform, but the whole project was so
hideous, I've put the details out of my mind.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)


On 16 Oct 2003 at 9:49, Griffiths, Richard wrote:

> A colleague has raised a point and I wonder whether anyone in this 
> list has any experience or knowledge of this.

Not first hand, but a buddy of mine had a similar problem, only..

The app was packaged on a 9X system and was installed on his NT4 
workstation. He basically lost use of his workstation until one of the 
guys in his shop created a small installer that all it did was 
replace the installed 9X DLLs with the correct NT4 DLLs

> Package Under XP....Deploy XP >> OK
> Package Under XP....Deploy Win 98/95...possible problems.

I have always read and been told that as long as you build on an NT 
based system (NT, 2K, XP) then you can deploy on 9x and NT based 
boxes.

I can't cite any references though.

So I really don't think that you need to worry about it too nuch.

Although if you are concerned, have a test 9x box to run your 
installs on after building them before releasing.

--
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Oct 16 12:17:55 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:17:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
Message-ID: <3F8ED2C3.3060304@verizon.net>

I have a report that has 11 categories.  Each are scored from 1 - 100. 
Through refining the report some categories weigh less now for example 
category # 11 weights only 50% of the value thus a perfect score there 
is only worth 50points vs a perfect score on Category ID 1.

I was taking these individual category points and tallying them up and 
sort them in descending order thus those w/ the most points wins (those 
at the top).  Now My boss wants to now take those guys who do not meet 
the goal at category 1 to not be allowed to be in the TOP 10.  I tried 
watering down their points first by only giving them 75% of their total 
points down to 10% but the boss thought that probably wasn't a good idea.

My point is how do you fairly guage this, and how would you do it to 
rank 11 categories over 30 sub-companies

Category	% of 100points
1		100
2		
3		90
4		80
5		80
6		90
7		100
8		90
9		90
10		60
11		50

when I sum up all the points I get something like in the 900 or the 
like, when one sub-company and another are tied, they both take up the 
same ranking number such as 1, 2, 2, 4.  the next spot automatically is 
shifted to the next ranking value not 3rd place, but 4th.  How could I 
take a company that is ranked in 3rd place overall score but knock them 
down to be 11th place only because they didn't meet the primary 
criteria?  What this assures is that anybody that ever fails to meet the 
primary category can't qualify in the top 10.


thanks.
-- 
-Francisco



From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Thu Oct 16 12:24:32 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:24:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825E4@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

I have used   .mda libraries in Access97. How do you do the equivalent, or
how could I "convert" such a library file to work in A2K?

TIA

jack

From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 16 12:30:43 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:30:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBB6@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEAAEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Richard:
In my Wise installation scripts I check whether or not the target system is
a 9x based OS or NT based OS and depending on the condition install
different files (if they are needed).

WinNT comes with certain OLE files pre-installed in the SYSTEM32 directory.
These files are:

COMPOBJ.DLL
OLE2.DLL
OLE2DISP.DLL
OLE2NLS.DLL
STORAGE.DLL
TYPELIB.DLL
STDOLE.TLB

Win9x use files of the same name, but the files are very different.  They
are not guaranteed to be pre-installed.  On those operating systems, the
files are located in the SYSTEM directory.

If you are running WinNT, you will find that you have TWO copies of each of
these files, one in the SYSTEM32 directory and one in the SYSTEM directory.
Because WinNT loads files from the SYSTEM32 directory before it loads files
from the SYSTEM drectory, NT itself always uses the files in the SYSTEM32
directory.

If you are building your distribution disks on a WinNT machine, be sure that
you select the files from the SYSTEM directory and not the files from the
SYSTEM32 directory.  If you install the SYSTEM32 files onto a Win9x
machine, you will corrupt the OLE subsystem and render it inoperative.

You must also be careful that your installation program handles the case of
an NT target machine properly.  It should either:

1)  Not install the above listed files at all.  WindowsNT will have its own
set pre-installed.

2) Install the files to the SYSTEM instead of the SYSTEM32 directory. NT
ignores these files at runtime since it has its own set in the SYSTEM32
directory (which it gives priority to).

Things You Should *NEVER* Do

1) In no case should you unconditionally overwrite the OLE DLLs in the
SYSTEM32 directory with the ones from the SYSTEM directory.  This will
corrupt NT and you will need to manually delete all of those files and
reinstall or repair NT.

2) Do not install the OLE files taken from the SYSTEM32 directory on to a
Win9x machine.  Install the ones from the SYSTEM directory instead.

HTH
John B.

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
> Richard
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:50 AM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
>
>
> Hi Group
>
> A colleague has raised a point and I wonder whether anyone in
> this list has
> any experience or knowledge of this.
>
> My colleague has suggested that there is (maybe) a problem when packaging
> Access systems (and VB)  (say using Package Wizard, althought the logic
> could be applied to any packaging software) in that if the package is
> created under XP then the various dll's and so on packaged are those
> designed for XP - and that these may vary, in some cases, to
> those packaged
> when creating a package under NT or Win 98. So that....
>
> Package Under XP....Deploy XP >> OK
> Package Under XP....Deploy Win 98/95...possible problems.
>
> I must admit I did have a problem with one user (win 95) when the
> application did not work properly (lots of strange things - compile errors
> etc) on their machine - yet it worked ok on others -  I think the package
> was created under XP - so this may support the above argument.  As a
> precaution I now package my apps under win 98 (but this is a pain
> on my dual
> boot machine having to boot/reboot/test/repackage to correct then
> /boot/reboot/test and so on)
>
> Has anyone come across this.
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Richard
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 16 12:34:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:34:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825E4@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEHEFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

You just upgrade the MDA to A2K format.  Works fine with a very minimum of
problems (usually none).  Make sure that DAO is referenced in the new A2K
MDA though if you use DAO.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K


I have used   .mda libraries in Access97. How do you do the equivalent, or
how could I "convert" such a library file to work in A2K?

TIA

jack
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 16 12:44:04 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:44:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VBA - all menu functions are disabled
References: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6A6FADB@lbrn12.d20.intra>
Message-ID: <3F8ED8E4.6060109@shaw.ca>

hmm. I ran into something like this with an upgrade version of Access 
2003, yes it is out to large site licenses. I had to reset the security 
menu to get at the macro security check.
Right-click the menu bar or toolbar and choose Customize from the 
shortcut menu. On the Toolbars tab, scroll down and find the Menu Bar. 
Click the name to select it, then click
Reset. Close the dialog, and you should now find Security on Tools / Macro.
In your case in Access XP somewhere there should be a menu reset  after 
right clicking toolbar.

Pain, T. (Tim) wrote:

> On Access XP, in the code window all standard menu items and buttons 
> are disabled, non standard items such as VBACodePrint all work OK. In 
> the main Access window everything seems to work OK.
>
> Any ideas on how I can re-set all of this please?
>
> Many thanks
> Tim Pain
> Akzo Nobel Surface Chemistry
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>
>
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Canada




From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Thu Oct 16 13:01:38 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:01:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825E6@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Thanks john.  Worked great!

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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Library File in A2K


You just upgrade the MDA to A2K format.  Works fine with a very minimum of
problems (usually none).  Make sure that DAO is referenced in the new A2K
MDA though if you use DAO.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K


I have used   .mda libraries in Access97. How do you do the equivalent, or
how could I "convert" such a library file to work in A2K?

TIA

jack
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 13:04:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:04:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227359@main2.marlow.com>

Write a query for the top ten based solely on category 1.  What you need is
the total score for #10.  Then write a query for everyone's score.  If they
aren't in the first querries top 10, subtract the difference between #10 and
#11.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:18 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!


I have a report that has 11 categories.  Each are scored from 1 - 100. 
Through refining the report some categories weigh less now for example 
category # 11 weights only 50% of the value thus a perfect score there 
is only worth 50points vs a perfect score on Category ID 1.

I was taking these individual category points and tallying them up and 
sort them in descending order thus those w/ the most points wins (those 
at the top).  Now My boss wants to now take those guys who do not meet 
the goal at category 1 to not be allowed to be in the TOP 10.  I tried 
watering down their points first by only giving them 75% of their total 
points down to 10% but the boss thought that probably wasn't a good idea.

My point is how do you fairly guage this, and how would you do it to 
rank 11 categories over 30 sub-companies

Category	% of 100points
1		100
2		
3		90
4		80
5		80
6		90
7		100
8		90
9		90
10		60
11		50

when I sum up all the points I get something like in the 900 or the 
like, when one sub-company and another are tied, they both take up the 
same ranking number such as 1, 2, 2, 4.  the next spot automatically is 
shifted to the next ranking value not 3rd place, but 4th.  How could I 
take a company that is ranked in 3rd place overall score but knock them 
down to be 11th place only because they didn't meet the primary 
criteria?  What this assures is that anybody that ever fails to meet the 
primary category can't qualify in the top 10.


thanks.
-- 
-Francisco


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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct 16 13:19:49 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:19:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <200310161700.h9GH0Ze28124@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031016131411.02609720@pop3.highstream.net>

Oleg,

You need to add a debug.print strsql and store your sql statement in that 
string.  i.e.

dim strSQL as string
dim i as integer
strsql = "INSERT into Table1Testing"
strsql = strsql & " (a, b) VALUES ("
for i = 0 to 8
      strsql = strsql & aRecord(i) & ", "
next i
debug.print strsql

This will allow you to build the string and look at it before you try 
executing it.  Once you can look at the SQL string, you will be able to 
trouble shoot it.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:31:19 -0400 (EDT)
>From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <57221.12.3.132.98.1066314679.squirrel at heck.bay9.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>I thought I was using the default connection ?
>
>Also I tried it using this
>  DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ", "
>& aRecord(8) & ")"
>
>but I get some pitiful results :(



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 16 14:05:45 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:05:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F105yErMLrEvLI000068c4@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that 
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that 
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every 
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From rfv at entelix.com  Thu Oct 16 15:27:40 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:27:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Message-ID: <200310161928.h9GJS3e28488@databaseadvisors.com>

Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing Barcodes?
MS Access XP
 
Rudolf  F. Vanek
 
 <http://www.entelix.com/> 
 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Oct 16 14:37:43 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:37:43 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884A1@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

<<Barcode Software - bar code activeX, DLL, SAP R-3 bar coding, ean, upc, code 39, code 128....url>> 
http://www.tec-it.com/asp/main/startfr.asp?mainmenu=Download&LN=1


Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 

 

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Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing Barcodes?
MS Access XP

Rudolf  F. Vanek
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Thu Oct 16 14:36:09 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:36:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C62916B@natexch.jenkens.com>

Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the place
where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB() worked so
well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not exist.

Debbie


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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Oct 16 14:48:06 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:48:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E4D@NT04.karta.com>

An ActiveX control is not necessary.
There is code available that will print barcodes (I have code for Code39).
Another option is to look for a barcode font, such as Code39.ttf
Most barcode readers will allow the user to designate which code to use.
My recommendation is to research and purchase the barcode reader first.
Then determine the method of printing.
HTH
Jim
 

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To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes


Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing Barcodes?
MS Access XP
 
Rudolf  F. Vanek
 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 16 14:54:52 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:54:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F72E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

In ADO no but ADO is meant to be a generic method of connecting to data whereas DAO is not.  You can use CurrentProject if you're using A2K or greater though (I'm still in A97 so my familiarity with CurrentProject is nill).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


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From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()


Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the place
where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB() worked so
well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not exist.

Debbie


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Oct 16 14:58:59 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:58:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB889@nnse14.nns.com>

Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


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From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that 
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that 
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every 
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 16 15:00:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:00:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
References: <BAY1-F105yErMLrEvLI000068c4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c39420$1803c370$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Mark

 www.lebans.com has a sample mdb that does this quite well in A97 ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
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From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


> Hello All,
>
> In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
> has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
> instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
>
> Any Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 15:05:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:05:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227360@main2.marlow.com>

If you are writing ADO within an Access database, to refer to that
database's connection object, use CurrentProject.Connection 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()


Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the place
where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB() worked so
well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not exist.

Debbie


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From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:06:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
Message-ID: <20031016200613.32962.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>

How do I create an item for an Outlook calendar from MS Access?

A special thanks in advance to the Guru who responds. 



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 16 15:10:00 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:10:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77E7@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

One really simple way to do this is to set the background color of all the
controls on the details section to 'Transparent'. This will result in all
controls showing the background color of the form except for the control
with the focus, which will show up white. You could also put a rectangle
control on the detail section which is colored the way you wish and then
send it to the back.

Lambert

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> Sent:	Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
> 
> has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that 
> record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every 
> instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> 
> Any Ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 16 15:11:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:11:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3E3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Are you talking about libraries or add-ins.  In 97, an MDA could be used
as an add-in but the same add-in doesn't work in 2000 and 2002 without
modifications, and even then, it depends on what it's for. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca [mailto:Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K


I have used   .mda libraries in Access97. How do you do the equivalent,
or
how could I "convert" such a library file to work in A2K?

TIA

jack
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 16 15:15:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:15:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631239B@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You can't set a database object in ADO anyhow, because there *is* no
database object in ADO.  CurrentDB should work in Access 2k and later
regardless because it isn't DAO, it's a function built into the
application, but it depends on what you're trying to do with it.  The
ADO equivalent is CurrentProject, which quite handily has a Path
property and a FullName property that will give you either the current
database's path only or its full name and path.   However, it doesn't
return a database object, merely an object.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()


Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the
place where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB()
worked so well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not
exist.

Debbie


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 16 15:25:26 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:25:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
References: <20031016200613.32962.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c39423$a254d2a0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...MS KB 160502 ...HTH :)

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who 
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better." 
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


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  To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu' ; AccessDevelopers ; ms_access ; AccessD solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:06 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access


  How do I create an item for an Outlook calendar from MS Access?

  A special thanks in advance to the Guru who responds. 



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 16 15:25:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:25:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
In-Reply-To: <3F8ED2C3.3060304@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHKFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  The things we are asked to do!  I think I'd make a aliased
"AllowInTop10" field in QueryA, set to True/False based on their meeting the
objective to be allowed in the top 10.  Then sort on that field first, and
the weighted field next.  Thus all companies that meet the criteria will
"float to the top".  I doubt that you can really do this in a single query
however.  Take the "top 10" in QueryA and use it for a sub report, then a
second query using all companies "not in" that QueryA, just sorted on the
raw numeric values used as a second subreport.

You don't mention what happens if only 8 companies make the criteria to be
in the top 10.

Ugly stuff.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:18 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!


I have a report that has 11 categories.  Each are scored from 1 - 100.
Through refining the report some categories weigh less now for example
category # 11 weights only 50% of the value thus a perfect score there
is only worth 50points vs a perfect score on Category ID 1.

I was taking these individual category points and tallying them up and
sort them in descending order thus those w/ the most points wins (those
at the top).  Now My boss wants to now take those guys who do not meet
the goal at category 1 to not be allowed to be in the TOP 10.  I tried
watering down their points first by only giving them 75% of their total
points down to 10% but the boss thought that probably wasn't a good idea.

My point is how do you fairly guage this, and how would you do it to
rank 11 categories over 30 sub-companies

Category	% of 100points
1		100
2
3		90
4		80
5		80
6		90
7		100
8		90
9		90
10		60
11		50

when I sum up all the points I get something like in the 900 or the
like, when one sub-company and another are tied, they both take up the
same ranking number such as 1, 2, 2, 4.  the next spot automatically is
shifted to the next ranking value not 3rd place, but 4th.  How could I
take a company that is ranked in 3rd place overall score but knock them
down to be 11th place only because they didn't meet the primary
criteria?  What this assures is that anybody that ever fails to meet the
primary category can't qualify in the top 10.


thanks.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 15:26:50 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:26:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227362@main2.marlow.com>

Depends on the complexity you need.  You can directly link Exchange/Outlook
folders to an Access db.  Thus, it's just a matter of adding a record.
However, Appointment items are a subset of the message items.  What you will
get in the linked tables is the Message item fields, so you won't have
everything an appointment has. If you need everything an appointment has,
you'll need to use CDO.
 
Drew

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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; ms_access; AccessD
solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access


 
How do I create an item for an Outlook calendar from MS Access?

A special thanks in advance to the Guru who responds. 



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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Thu Oct 16 17:05:15 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:05:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C62916B@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <026401c39431$94104b30$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

This might be of interest

Comparison of DAO and ADO Recordset Syntax

These examples provide DAO programmers with a brief reference to ADO syntax.

You are the correct audience for this page if you already know about
programming Microsoft's "DAO Recordsets," and are enrolled in MIS 333k using
the textbook Beginning Access 2000 VBA, Smith and Sussman, Wrox, 1999. The
next generation recordset interface is referred to as ActiveX Data Objects
(ADO). It brings a slightly different interface syntax (your DAO knowledge
will transfer nicely) and a much more powerful and consistent toolkit for
accessing today's variety of PC and mainframe database formats.

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/poynor/access2000/sjdaoadorecordsets.html

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()


Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the place
where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB() worked so
well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not exist.

Debbie




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 16 17:09:39 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:09:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
In-Reply-To: <200310161928.h9GJS3e28488@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F8FA3C3.3063.2935B3@localhost>

On 16 Oct 2003 at 14:27, rfv at entelix.com wrote:

> Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing Barcodes?
> MS Access XP
>  
Any special reason for a control?

I create barcodes regularly in Access reports just using a textbox 
and a barcode font. (There are plenty of them available  - both 
freeware and commercial).






 
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Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 16 17:26:22 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:26:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77DC@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3F8FA7AE.23569.388457@localhost>

On 16 Oct 2003 at 10:22, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

  
> My simple demo code looks up data in half a million records and it plainly
> demonstrates that with an index it's quite fast, and without an index it's
> slow as a cow swimming in a treacle-filled pool. So where does that make the
> results meaningless? Now if you want to argue about whether .findfirst takes
> 0.05 seconds, or 0.04 or 0.0001 seconds then of course my code is not going
> to answer the question. It was about index versus non-indexed searches,
> that's all.
> 

Sorry, I thought that you were comparing numeric v text , not indexed 
v index.  

After all, that is the Subject of the email and you did say:

"As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a 
test Db I threw together."

Followed by
"But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long 
to search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as 
huge performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of 
a second."

In terms of your "main point", I repeat - the results were 
meaningless.  You were using Timer to measure the duration of 
operations taking "thousandths of a second" and where most of the 
operations within the loop were not related to the search.







 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 16 20:14:04 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:14:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB889@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEIDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
current line number.  In my framework I use
.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
replaces the function?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


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From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 16 23:05:58 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:05:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
 <17846221523.20031014205234@cactus.dk> <3F8E1FFA.7050902@shaw.ca>
 <17825126900.20031016155248@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3F8F6AA6.1000300@shaw.ca>

Functions came from
http://www.visual-basic-data-mining.net/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=616
somebody posted from a company pareto.com

Pareto Chart This simple bar chart is the most widely used data display 
tool in Six Sigma because it identifies which problems occur with the 
greatest frequency or incur the highest cost and therefore should be 
attacked first. A typical chart might feature reasons for the problem 
along the horizontal axis and frequency or location along the vertical 
axis. Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto theorized that 20% of possible 
causes are responsible for 80% of any problem.

What I was thinking of doing was dumping everything into matrices to do 
the calculations for speed
sort of like this rather than trying to resolve everything in SQL.

'3 columns and 50 rows into StateDate(2,49)
Dim StateDate (2,49) as String
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
Set rs = CurrentDB.Openrecordset( _
         SELECT Name, ShortName, TaxRate FROM tblSalesTax', dbOpenDynaset)
StateData = rs.GetRows(50)
rs.Close
Set rs = Nothing

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Marty
>
>Interesting functions. Where have you obtained those?
>
>However, they are not quite valid for the original subject as you
>can't count on having a fixed number of selected items; you need
>minimum two (if two rows carry the same amount, only positive and
>negative, they will sum to zero) but the selection could as well
>include all items and anything in between.
>
>A collection of two has four combinations
>
>  0 0
>  1 0
>  0 1
>  1 1
>
>but we rule out the selection of none and one item leaving only one
>useful selection (1,1) out of four.
>
>For every item added after the first two you have twice as many
>combinations. Thus, the number of different useful combinations is 2^n
>minus 3 or 
>
>  2^(n-1)-1
>
>This doesn't help us much, though, as you all know that 2 raised to
>something very quickly turns out as astronomical numbers.
>
>At n = 20 we have already passed 0.5 mio. combinations and at n = 30
>five hundred mio. At numbers like these applying brute computing power
>only makes no sense, you have to be smart too.
>
>Here, for example, one can quickly see that selecting positive or
>negative values only would lead to nothing as such a collection would
>never sum to zero. You would need to separate the items in two pools,
>positives and negatives, and for any valid combination from pool
>Positives compare the sum to any valid combination from pool Negatives
>and check if the absolute value of the two sums are equal.
>
>The number of tests would be:
>
>  (2^(p-1)-1) * (2^(n-1)-1)
>
>Still comes out as large numbers; matching 10 positives and 10
>negatives results in 261121 combinations ...
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>With six objects A,B,C,D,E,F you would have 20 unique combinations 
>>without regard to order.
>>Try code below to calculate the number of objects you can reasonably 
>>use, the calculation fails on overflow when n > 170
>>There are several methods to list out these combinations, in one of 
>>Knuth's programming textbooks.
>>I believe the third volume. I haven't got a copy handy, it's in another 
>>province. TAOCP should be required reading. 
>>http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Counting combinations - example
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>How many different groups of 3 could be selected from the 5 objects A, 
>>B, C, D, E?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>5 ways to select the first, 4 to then select the second, and 3 ways to 
>>select the third, so 5*4*3 ways to choose when order matters
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>But, every group of 3 (e.g. A, B, C) is counted 6 (=3!) times: ABC, ACB, 
>>BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>So, total number of groups when ignore order is 5*4*3/(3*2*1) = 10
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>5! / 3!(5-3)! 120/6*2 =10
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Counting combinations
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>In general, the number of different groups of r objects out of n is
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>n* (n-1) * ... * (n-r+1)/r! = n!/( r! (n-r)! )
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>This number is written ( nr ), and is pronounced n choose r
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Example: How many 5 card poker hands are possible (out of a deck of 52 
>>cards)?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>There are ( 525 ) = 2,598,960 poker hands
>>    
>>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Oct 17 02:42:53 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:42:53 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <3F8F6AA6.1000300@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <01ed01c39482$45e80a00$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>


This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to say
about Microsoft's Plans for Office.

Stuart

-----------------------------------------
1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
System 2003" ships.

If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an orphan.
Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but with all the
talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of Office that'll ship
with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical - I think VBA in Office
2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made essentially no enhancements to
VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office 2003 Developer's Edition. Pretty
slim pickin's.

You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my teeth
on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers should face the
facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a better job.

I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 17 05:17:07 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:17:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9778@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I bought this one several years ago. 
Works fine for me...

http://www.anextech.com

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 oktober 2003 0:10
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes


On 16 Oct 2003 at 14:27, rfv at entelix.com wrote:

> Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing 
> Barcodes? MS Access XP
>  
Any special reason for a control?

I create barcodes regularly in Access reports just using a textbox 
and a barcode font. (There are plenty of them available  - both 
freeware and commercial).






 
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri Oct 17 06:13:36 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:13:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] VBA - all menu functions are disabled
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6A73373@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Hi Marty,

I had thought much the same and tried it yesterday wih no luck, but
tried it again and it's OK now!

Many thanks
Tim 


-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: 16 October 2003 18:44
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBA - all menu functions are disabled


hmm. I ran into something like this with an upgrade version of Access 
2003, yes it is out to large site licenses. I had to reset the security 
menu to get at the macro security check.
Right-click the menu bar or toolbar and choose Customize from the 
shortcut menu. On the Toolbars tab, scroll down and find the Menu Bar. 
Click the name to select it, then click
Reset. Close the dialog, and you should now find Security on Tools /
Macro. In your case in Access XP somewhere there should be a menu reset
after 
right clicking toolbar.

Pain, T. (Tim) wrote:

> On Access XP, in the code window all standard menu items and buttons
> are disabled, non standard items such as VBACodePrint all work OK. In 
> the main Access window everything seems to work OK.
>
> Any ideas on how I can re-set all of this please?
>
> Many thanks
> Tim Pain
> Akzo Nobel Surface Chemistry
> Phone: +44 (0)1727 815360
> Fax: +44 (0)1727 840816
> GSM: +44 (0)7785 772419
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>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 17 06:51:04 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:51:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi
 
Here's some stripped down code that I use in my small TAPI application
to create an appointment  in my calender whenever a phonecall comes in
and I choose to accept and posibly invoice.
 
http://www.ithelps.be/temp/CreateOutlookAppointmentItem.txt
 
Hope this helps...
 
Erwin
 
 
 

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	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Drew Wutka
	Verzonden: donderdag 16 oktober 2003 22:27
	Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
	
	
	Depends on the complexity you need.  You can directly link
Exchange/Outlook folders to an Access db.  Thus, it's just a matter of
adding a record.  However, Appointment items are a subset of the message
items.  What you will get in the linked tables is the Message item
fields, so you won't have everything an appointment has. If you need
everything an appointment has, you'll need to use CDO.
	 
	Drew

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		From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
		Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
		To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers;
ms_access; AccessD solving'
		Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
		
		
		 
		How do I create an item for an Outlook calendar from MS
Access?
		
		A special thanks in advance to the Guru who responds. 



		Lonnie Johnson
		ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 07:18:27 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:18:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <01ed01c39482$45e80a00$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJCFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge.

And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve I have ever faced!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office



This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to
say
about Microsoft's Plans for Office.

Stuart

-----------------------------------------
1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
System 2003" ships.

If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an
orphan.
Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but with all
the
talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of Office that'll
ship
with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical - I think VBA in
Office
2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made essentially no enhancements
to
VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office 2003 Developer's Edition.
Pretty
slim pickin's.

You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my
teeth
on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers should face
the
facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a better job.

I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Oct 17 07:25:30 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:25:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - MDE
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBBD@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

I am about to make my application into an mde - we have a hundred or so
customers with the mdb already running under runtime.  
Does anyone have a definitvie list of functions that do not work with mde's.
For example creating references on the fly foes not work, importing
form/report/module objects.


Many thanks

Richard


From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 07:33:26 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:33:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F105yErMLrEvLI000068c4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCECHHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  I have a sample database I worked up Expert's Exchange.  Anyone interested
in a copy just send me an e-mail off-list.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 07:50:55 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:50:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEIDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEECIHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would be
faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
bookmarks.

 You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly different
technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying of
different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
current line number.  In my framework I use
.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
replaces the function?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 17 07:59:22 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:59:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - MDE
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


1) Modifying the rowsource of a report thus saving the report from VBA
in MDE.
2) When having listboxes you need to have a correct rowsource on the
control when you modify the rowsource with VBA.
I tended to hav no rowsource on the control for faster loading but than
in MDE/runtime you get no content...
Erwin





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Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Griffiths, Richard
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 oktober 2003 14:26
Aan: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Onderwerp: [AccessD] A97 - MDE


Hi Group

I am about to make my application into an mde - we have a hundred or so
customers with the mdb already running under runtime.  
Does anyone have a definitvie list of functions that do not work with
mde's. For example creating references on the fly foes not work,
importing form/report/module objects.


Many thanks

Richard

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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Fri Oct 17 08:02:48 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:02:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJCFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001701c394ae$fa66d750$4f360cd8@hargrove.internal>

I agree with you, John.  I just started swimming in the VS.NET pool myself.
The hardest part for me is getting used to the Object-Oriented stuff but
your framework and class examples over the years really helped to cut the
learning curve on that quite a bit.

I just made my first user control (a time picker using a textbox and some
domainupdown controls) and it was a lot of fun...

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Vba and Office


...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge.

And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve I have ever faced!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office



This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to
say
about Microsoft's Plans for Office.

Stuart

-----------------------------------------
1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
System 2003" ships.

If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an
orphan. Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but
with all the talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of
Office that'll ship with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical -
I think VBA in Office 2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made
essentially no enhancements to VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office
2003 Developer's Edition. Pretty slim pickin's.

You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my
teeth on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers
should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a
better job.

I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 08:07:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEECIHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEJFFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like the
plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


John,

  Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would be
faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
bookmarks.

 You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly different
technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying of
different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
current line number.  In my framework I use
.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
replaces the function?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From backroad at idir.net  Fri Oct 17 09:13:21 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:13:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity
References: <007901c39351$30ca6370$6501a8c0@Julie>
Message-ID: <001a01c394b8$d43fa520$6501a8c0@Julie>

Sorry for the re-posting - my email service has been intermittant over the last couple of days and I have not been receiving all mail.

If you've written me on this project and I haven't responded, please email me again.  I will reply to every message.  Thank you.

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Backroads Data 
  To: AccessD 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:18 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity


  Dear AccessD Listers,

  I have a small project for a non-U.S./non-Canadian Access97 coder.  We are modifying an existing application so that it can be used by customers outside the U.S. and Canada.  App interface will still be in English, but 'international' version will handle various currencies, address / phone formats, and non-U.S. date formatting.

  I'm doing all mods except those required to handle dates properly in SQL.  That is the part being sub-contracted in this project.  The scope of this project involves reviewing all SQL and modifying any that deals with date values, in the manner that has often been discussed on this list:  

  Format(dateValue, "mm\/dd\/yyyy")

  All modifications of this type should then be tested to ensure proper functionality (primary reason I'm requesting someone outside US/Canada to work on this).

  Here are some specs on this app:

  Access97, FE/BE, distributed as Access97 runtime mde using Sagekey scripts.  SQL needs to be reviewed throughout, including saved queries, modules, form/report control sources.  The app contains these objects (though not all deal with dates):
  42 queries
  82 forms
  57 reports
  26 modules

  The development mdb will be ready (meaning all non-SQL-related mods have been completed) for you on or before Oct. 24, and this project needs to be completed by Nov. 14.  Project deliverables include the modified mdb (obviously), and a simple list of objects modified (example of list entries: "qryApptsList", "mdlSchedule.fctNextAppt", etc.)

  If you want additional information about this application, you can find it at www.farriersoftware.com .  You're also welcome to dowload a demo of the app from there (this requires filling out a form first - please put "AccessD" in the comments so we don't think you're a potential customer!)

  Please email me direct at backroad at idir.net if you're interested or have any questions.  Thank you!

  Best Regards,

  Julie Schwalm
  Backroads Data
  www.backroadsdata.com
  785-594-6807


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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Oct 17 09:24:12 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:12 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Vba and Office
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D71@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hi John,

Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using classes in access
so its worth the effort for me....

question: are going to vb.net or c#?

alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Colby
Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Oktober 2003 14:18
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] Vba and Office


...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge.

And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve I have ever faced!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office



This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to
say
about Microsoft's Plans for Office.

Stuart

-----------------------------------------
1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
System 2003" ships.

If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an
orphan.
Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but with all
the
talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of Office that'll
ship
with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical - I think VBA in
Office
2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made essentially no enhancements
to
VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office 2003 Developer's Edition.
Pretty
slim pickin's.

You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my
teeth
on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers should face
the
facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a better job.

I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.


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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 09:33:21 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:33:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F34py3PndEmnQC00007634@hotmail.com>

A person I know upgraded his computer on a 2 person LAN with a machine three 
times as fast.  His data was kept on his secretary's computer on a 100 mbit 
LAN connnection.  I warned him that he wouldn't likely see significant 
difference in performance.  In fact, he could see no difference.  I had 
warned him that a bit of time looking at indexes and addressing data volume 
and recordset size would probably be of more benefit and when all was said 
and done, he came asking for help.  Processor speed has rarely been the 
bottleneck in most Access deployments.

I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither of 
them show up yet.  The last was over 36 hours ago and I've seen once 
response to it that included an excerpt of my post.  I wonder what fraction 
of all posts made to the list that I ever see.  I tried looking at Drew's 
archive but if I search on my name, the last post by me is August 30, 2003.  
I'll send this once per day for the next week until I see it show up.

Hen


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
>
>You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
>everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only 
>code
>for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
>change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
>decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to 
>modify
>also.
>
>Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.  
>But
>the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
>with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
>with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
>future variables?
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>Ah but...
>
>one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
>a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
>different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
>fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
>original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, 
>but
>it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.
>
>As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db 
>I
>threw together.
>
>Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
>string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
>and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
>integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
>The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
>the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
>search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
>Sub testSearch()
>Dim n As Long
>Dim s As String
>
>Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
>Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
>Dim TextSearchTime As Single
>Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
>Dim x As Long
>Dim strHits As Long
>Dim intHits As Long
>Dim db As Database
>Dim rs As Recordset
>Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
>NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
>TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
>"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000") 
>&
>" Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
>End Sub
>
>
>And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
>As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
>surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
>The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search 
>times
>steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on 
>here.
>But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
>search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
>performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
>There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
>I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
>indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
>field as well as the string one).
>
>Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left 
>intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let 
>it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the 
>"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* 
>identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should 
>not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, 
>but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later 
>on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, 
>to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In 
>addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or 
>first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for 
>addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, 
>because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's 
>stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in 
>that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 09:51:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:51:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D71@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJIFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Alun,

Personally I am going with VB initially.  One of the things that MS stresses
is that choice of language makes very little difference anymore.  The
framework is used identically between the various languages, and in fact the
language "compiler" itself is a thin layer on top of the framework.  It
really ends up being "what language are you most comfortable with".  Having
said that, there are a handful of things that C# can do that VB can't -
things like pointer manipulations and stuff.  If you don't need those
things, and you are most comfortable with VB, then VB is the best choice for
you.

I worked in a custom C compiler for a controller project for about two years
back in '95-'97, however I am much more comfortable with the VB syntax, thus
I choose VB.

I will probably eventually switch to C# simply due to the long ingrained
idiocy displayed by program managers that VB is a toy language and C is for
real men (women don't EVEN apply).  However I intend to get fully up to
speed on the VS IDE as well as the framework itself before making the
switch.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Vba and Office


hi John,

Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using classes in access
so its worth the effort for me....

question: are going to vb.net or c#?

alun




From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Oct 17 12:32:51 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:32:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHKFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHKFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F9027C3.7050904@verizon.net>

Sorry for the delay in responding... I'm doing 4 different things at 
once :S, oh well so goes the day :).

I like this idea to pre-tag each row who met the criteria as a candidate 
and then sort so that they float to the top.  This seems to be what I 
want I will forward it on the Boss who will probably have me scrap the 
whole thing :D

at least it's Friday :D

John Colby wrote:

> LOL.  The things we are asked to do!  I think I'd make a aliased
> "AllowInTop10" field in QueryA, set to True/False based on their meeting the
> objective to be allowed in the top 10.  Then sort on that field first, and
> the weighted field next.  Thus all companies that meet the criteria will
> "float to the top".  I doubt that you can really do this in a single query
> however.  Take the "top 10" in QueryA and use it for a sub report, then a
> second query using all companies "not in" that QueryA, just sorted on the
> raw numeric values used as a second subreport.
> 
> You don't mention what happens if only 8 companies make the criteria to be
> in the top 10.
> 
> Ugly stuff.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
> Tapia
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:18 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
> 
> 
> I have a report that has 11 categories.  Each are scored from 1 - 100.
> Through refining the report some categories weigh less now for example
> category # 11 weights only 50% of the value thus a perfect score there
> is only worth 50points vs a perfect score on Category ID 1.
> 
> I was taking these individual category points and tallying them up and
> sort them in descending order thus those w/ the most points wins (those
> at the top).  Now My boss wants to now take those guys who do not meet
> the goal at category 1 to not be allowed to be in the TOP 10.  I tried
> watering down their points first by only giving them 75% of their total
> points down to 10% but the boss thought that probably wasn't a good idea.
> 
> My point is how do you fairly guage this, and how would you do it to
> rank 11 categories over 30 sub-companies
> 
> Category	% of 100points
> 1		100
> 2
> 3		90
> 4		80
> 5		80
> 6		90
> 7		100
> 8		90
> 9		90
> 10		60
> 11		50
> 
> when I sum up all the points I get something like in the 900 or the
> like, when one sub-company and another are tied, they both take up the
> same ranking number such as 1, 2, 2, 4.  the next spot automatically is
> shifted to the next ranking value not 3rd place, but 4th.  How could I
> take a company that is ranked in 3rd place overall score but knock them
> down to be 11th place only because they didn't meet the primary
> criteria?  What this assures is that anybody that ever fails to meet the
> primary category can't qualify in the top 10.
> 
> 
> thanks.
> --
> -Francisco
> 
-- 
-Francisco



From chizotz at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 11:10:45 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:10:45 -0400
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D71@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <web-6403521@rems10.cluster1.charter.net>

Alun,

I work almost exclusively in C# now. It is not without 
it's quirks and drawbacks, but overall I'm very impressed 
and pleased. Once you get past the initial learning curve, 
its Good Stuff. That is, of course, my opinion, and no 
doubt others here will disagree.

Another player in my shop has settled on vb.net, and she 
is finding the transition more painful that I did for my 
leap from VBA to C#. Maybe its because I was learning 
syntax as well as the .NET way of doing things and so 
expected nothing to transfer. When my previous knowledge 
did transfer, even a little, it was a pleasant surprise. I 
think she's fighting with expectations that aren't panning 
out as well as she'd hoped.

My own question on this subject: is there any reason at 
all to make a move to C++.net? From where I sit, it looks 
like another steep learning curve for comparatively little 
gain. My understanding is that with C++ you can have finer 
control over some things but at the cost of giving up 
managed code... that seems like an unwise choice unless 
(one of my favorite phrases) there are compelling reasons 
to do so. Any thoughts?

Ron


On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:12 +0200
  "Garraway, Alun" <Alun.Garraway at otto.de> wrote:
>hi John,
>
>Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using 
>classes in access
>so its worth the effort for me....
>
>question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>
>alun
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag 
>von John Colby
>Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Oktober 2003 14:18
>An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Betreff: RE: [AccessD] Vba and Office
>
>
>...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the 
>VS.NET plunge.
>
>And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve 
>I have ever faced!
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 17 09:57:13 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:57:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D71@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <003f01c394be$f7470670$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Maybe we need another list? I'm not suggesting that because I don't want to
see the post -- but because it's probably a good candidate.

Susan H.


> hi John,
>
> Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using classes in
access
> so its worth the effort for me....
>
> question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>
> alun



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 11:13:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:13:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F34py3PndEmnQC00007634@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJMFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither
of them show up yet.

Just goes to show, "processor speed is rarely the bottleneck".

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


A person I know upgraded his computer on a 2 person LAN with a machine three
times as fast.  His data was kept on his secretary's computer on a 100 mbit
LAN connnection.  I warned him that he wouldn't likely see significant
difference in performance.  In fact, he could see no difference.  I had
warned him that a bit of time looking at indexes and addressing data volume
and recordset size would probably be of more benefit and when all was said
and done, he came asking for help.  Processor speed has rarely been the
bottleneck in most Access deployments.

I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither of
them show up yet.  The last was over 36 hours ago and I've seen once
response to it that included an excerpt of my post.  I wonder what fraction
of all posts made to the list that I ever see.  I tried looking at Drew's
archive but if I search on my name, the last post by me is August 30, 2003.
I'll send this once per day for the next week until I see it show up.

Hen


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
>
>You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
>everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
>code
>for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
>change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
>decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
>modify
>also.
>
>Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
>But
>the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
>with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
>with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
>future variables?
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>Ah but...
>
>one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
>a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
>different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
>fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
>original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
>but
>it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.
>
>As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
>I
>threw together.
>
>Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
>string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
>and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
>integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
>The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
>the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
>search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
>Sub testSearch()
>Dim n As Long
>Dim s As String
>
>Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
>Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
>Dim TextSearchTime As Single
>Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
>Dim x As Long
>Dim strHits As Long
>Dim intHits As Long
>Dim db As Database
>Dim rs As Recordset
>Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
>NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
>TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
>"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
>&
>" Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
>End Sub
>
>
>And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
>As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
>surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
>The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
>times
>steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
>here.
>But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
>search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
>performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
>There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
>I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
>indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
>field as well as the string one).
>
>Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
>intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
>it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
>"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
>identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
>not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
>but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
>on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
>to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
>addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
>first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
>addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
>because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
>stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
>that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Fri Oct 17 10:27:40 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:27:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D62F7@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>
References: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D62F7@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>
Message-ID: <14044.12.3.132.98.1066404460.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

> Are any of the values strings?  If so they need to be wrapped in single
> quotes.
>
> Values('" & aRecord(0) & "', " &...

I know but that keeps creating additional problems for last Names thats
have apostrophe (now it thinks that O is one field
and Brian is the next one) The funny thing is that I had to do 7 commands
that transfer data from and back to txt/csv code, I did 6, and stuck on
this one. I am thinking since this particalur data is coming from csv, to
just have a macro there that would mid() that date field...

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 12:56:32 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:56:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <003f01c394be$f7470670$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKAFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

We already have a VB list.  I must say at this point it isn't used much.
8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vba and Office


Maybe we need another list? I'm not suggesting that because I don't want to
see the post -- but because it's probably a good candidate.

Susan H.


> hi John,
>
> Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using classes in
access
> so its worth the effort for me....
>
> question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>
> alun


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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 17 10:51:27 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:51:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEBAFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer)
?

JB


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 17 13:04:04 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:04:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEBAFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3F8FF6D4.21844.11B0A9@localhost>

On 17 Oct 2003 at 10:51, John B. wrote:

> Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:
> 
> Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> to:
> Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

I don't. I Keep the parameters as they are.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 17 13:19:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:19:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123A2@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question


A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

JB

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 17 13:33:04 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:33:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F739@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

>>since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information<<

Charlotte are you sure about that?  I don't include prefixes in procedure arguments  for just the opposite reason (Intellisense does show the argument name and data type when you type the function name in a code window).

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question


A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

JB

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Oct 17 13:36:14 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:36:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Convert To 2K Dialog
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E00CF@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I need to convert a db from 97 to 2K. It does not give me the Open / Convert
choice anymore when I open the database. How can I get it back so I can
convert the database?

Virginia

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 09:58:07 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:58:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEJFFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEDAHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  Yes, the bound OLE object control is native to Access.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Jim,

Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like the
plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


John,

  Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would be
faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
bookmarks.

 You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly different
technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying of
different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
current line number.  In my framework I use
.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
replaces the function?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 13:39:26 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:39:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKAFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-21505983@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>

I respectfully suggest consideration of a C# list. It 
seems to me that many developers making the jump to .NET 
are targeting C#. That's just an impression, based on some 
conversations here in my shop and also with members of the 
local VB users group. No real data to back it up.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:56:32 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>We already have a VB list.  I must say at this point it 
>isn't used much.
>8-(
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
>Susan Harkins
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:57 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vba and Office
>
>
>Maybe we need another list? I'm not suggesting that 
>because I don't want to
>see the post -- but because it's probably a good 
>candidate.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
>> hi John,
>>
>> Already started (vb.net), through .net have started 
>>using classes in
>access
>> so its worth the effort for me....
>>
>> question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>>
>> alun

From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 17 13:41:24 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:41:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Convert To 2K Dialog
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E00CF@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3F8FFF94.24537.33DC65@localhost>

On 17 Oct 2003 at 13:36, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> I need to convert a db from 97 to 2K. It does not give me the Open /
> Convert choice anymore when I open the database. How can I get it back
> so I can convert the database?

Open A2K with no DB. 
Select Tools| Database Utilities| Convert Database| To Current Access 
Database Version...

Browse for the db and click Convert

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 13:47:40 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:47:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F13ccYTjr8cU6x0001bee2@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor) 
ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with the 
control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of 
fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this is 
in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE 
UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether or 
not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  Any 
thoughts?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
>
>Jim,
>
>Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like the
>plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>John,
>
>   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would 
>be
>faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
>invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
>long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
>bookmarks.
>
>  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly 
>different
>technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
>The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying 
>of
>different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
>current line number.  In my framework I use
>.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
>replaces the function?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
>http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
>has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
>record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
>instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
>
>Any Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 13:50:04 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:50:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Convert To 2K Dialog
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E00CF@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEKDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

You can't.  Just open Access itself, then select Tools / Database Utilities
/ Convert / To Current Version.  A dialog will open allowing you to select a
db to convert.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Convert To 2K Dialog


I need to convert a db from 97 to 2K. It does not give me the Open / Convert
choice anymore when I open the database. How can I get it back so I can
convert the database?

Virginia
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 13:52:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:52:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <web-21505983@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEKDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

If we are going to do this, I would suggest a .net list.  The death of a
list is no traffic, and if we group all .net development into a single list
until it gets up to critical mass, then we could consider splitting off the
pieces.  In the end, I think very little traffic would be c# specific as
opposed to "how does this framework widget work".

At this point, all such traffic is happening under the VB list.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vba and Office


I respectfully suggest consideration of a C# list. It
seems to me that many developers making the jump to .NET
are targeting C#. That's just an impression, based on some
conversations here in my shop and also with members of the
local VB users group. No real data to back it up.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:56:32 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>We already have a VB list.  I must say at this point it
>isn't used much.
>8-(
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>Susan Harkins
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:57 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vba and Office
>
>
>Maybe we need another list? I'm not suggesting that
>because I don't want to
>see the post -- but because it's probably a good
>candidate.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
>> hi John,
>>
>> Already started (vb.net), through .net have started
>>using classes in
>access
>> so its worth the effort for me....
>>
>> question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>>
>> alun
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 13:54:55 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F13ccYTjr8cU6x0001bee2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEEDJHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord and
lngOriginalColor are module level variables.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

Private Sub Form_Current()

  Dim rst As Recordset

  Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone

  ' Set background color of last record back to default.
  If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
    ' Nothing to do
  Else
      rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
      rst.Edit
        rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
      rst.Update
      Set rst = Nothing
  End If

  ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
  varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark

  lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
  Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3


End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with the
control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this is
in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether or
not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  Any
thoughts?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
>
>Jim,
>
>Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like the
>plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>John,
>
>   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would
>be
>faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
>invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
>long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
>bookmarks.
>
>  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
>different
>technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
>The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying
>of
>different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
>current line number.  In my framework I use
>.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
>replaces the function?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
>http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
>has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
>record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
>instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
>
>Any Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 17 13:58:25 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:58:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEKDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <web-21505983@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <3F900391.10571.4372BE@localhost>

On 17 Oct 2003 at 14:39 Ron Allen wrote:

> I respectfully suggest consideration of a C# list. 

Then On 17 Oct 2003 at 14:52, John Colby wrote:

> At this point, all such traffic is happening under the VB list.

Now I'm writiing:

I would suggest that any C# discussion take place on DBA-Tech. It's 
"mandate" is:

"This list is for the discussion of Hardware and Software related 
issues that don't belong into any specific list"

If the volume becomes large enough then sure we could consider a .Net 
or C# specific list

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a 
mistake when you make it again.



From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Oct 17 14:46:36 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:46:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <14044.12.3.132.98.1066404460.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <000901c394e7$601a04e0$7001a8c0@COA3>

>problems for last Names thats have apostrophe

You need double singles for these names (or any value in a sql string
with an apostrophe in it).  Surround the value with a Replace ... 

Replace(arecord(0), "'","''")

I notice a lot of 97 on the list, Replace is only in 2k+.  I have a
function for 97 somewhere, but you could write it with mid, loop the
string, put in '' if you find '

Hth,
Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table


> Are any of the values strings?  If so they need to be wrapped in 
> single quotes.
>
> Values('" & aRecord(0) & "', " &...

I know but that keeps creating additional problems for last Names thats
have apostrophe (now it thinks that O is one field and Brian is the next
one) The funny thing is that I had to do 7 commands that transfer data
from and back to txt/csv code, I did 6, and stuck on this one. I am
thinking since this particalur data is coming from csv, to just have a
macro there that would mid() that date field...

>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 17 14:49:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:49:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123A3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You may be right ... My memory is as old as the rest of me.  In any
case, I use prefixes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


>>since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information<<

Charlotte are you sure about that?  I don't include prefixes in
procedure arguments  for just the opposite reason (Intellisense does
show the argument name and data type when you type the function name in
a code window).

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question


A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

JB

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 17 14:56:19 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:56:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123A3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003601c394e8$bb7fe330$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I've moved to using prefixes in all new work simply because it
standardizes everything ...:)

William Hindman
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those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


> You may be right ... My memory is as old as the rest of me.  In any
> case, I use prefixes.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question
>
>
> >>since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information<<
>
> Charlotte are you sure about that?  I don't include prefixes in
> procedure arguments  for just the opposite reason (Intellisense does
> show the argument name and data type when you type the function name in
> a code window).
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director Product Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question
>
>
> I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
> Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
> since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
>
>
> A simple opinion question:
>
> Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:
>
> Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> to:
> Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?
>
> JB
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 17 15:42:33 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:42:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJCFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F905439.4090607@shaw.ca>

It is not just VBA. The VB6 certification exam is being retired next year.
http://www.devx.com/codemag/Article/17438
Funnily enough I have had a couple of people asking me about using 
Cobol.Net from Fujitsu.
to replace some mainframe apps. So it is not just C# or VB.net. You can 
dust off some of your old Cobol skills. However I have heard rumblings 
of Office 12 still using VBA.

John Colby wrote:

>...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge.
>
>And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve I have ever faced!
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:43 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
>
>
>
>This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
>follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to
>say
>about Microsoft's Plans for Office.
>
>Stuart
>
>-----------------------------------------
>1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
>Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
>System 2003" ships.
>
>If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an
>orphan.
>Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but with all
>the
>talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of Office that'll
>ship
>with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical - I think VBA in
>Office
>2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made essentially no enhancements
>to
>VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office 2003 Developer's Edition.
>Pretty
>slim pickin's.
>
>You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my
>teeth
>on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers should face
>the
>facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a better job.
>
>I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 17 10:36:51 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:36:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222736E@main2.marlow.com>

It showed up...grin.

Couldn't agree more.  Processor speed isn't a bottleneck in Access, but my
point is that it's no excuse to not optimize your db's for speed, whether it
is for faster LAN access or even for local db's, because I promise that it's
more likely a db will go from local to network then it is for the US postal
service changing the Zip Code system! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


A person I know upgraded his computer on a 2 person LAN with a machine three

times as fast.  His data was kept on his secretary's computer on a 100 mbit 
LAN connnection.  I warned him that he wouldn't likely see significant 
difference in performance.  In fact, he could see no difference.  I had 
warned him that a bit of time looking at indexes and addressing data volume 
and recordset size would probably be of more benefit and when all was said 
and done, he came asking for help.  Processor speed has rarely been the 
bottleneck in most Access deployments.

I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither of

them show up yet.  The last was over 36 hours ago and I've seen once 
response to it that included an excerpt of my post.  I wonder what fraction 
of all posts made to the list that I ever see.  I tried looking at Drew's 
archive but if I search on my name, the last post by me is August 30, 2003.

I'll send this once per day for the next week until I see it show up.

Hen


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
>
>You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
>everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only 
>code
>for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
>change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
>decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to 
>modify
>also.
>
>Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.  
>But
>the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
>with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
>with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
>future variables?
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>Ah but...
>
>one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
>a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
>different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
>fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
>original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, 
>but
>it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.
>
>As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db 
>I
>threw together.
>
>Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
>string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
>and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
>integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
>The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
>the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
>search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
>Sub testSearch()
>Dim n As Long
>Dim s As String
>
>Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
>Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
>Dim TextSearchTime As Single
>Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
>Dim x As Long
>Dim strHits As Long
>Dim intHits As Long
>Dim db As Database
>Dim rs As Recordset
>Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
>NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
>TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
>"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")

>&
>" Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
>End Sub
>
>
>And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
>As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
>surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
>The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search 
>times
>steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on 
>here.
>But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
>search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
>performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
>There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
>I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
>indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
>field as well as the string one).
>
>Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left 
>intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let 
>it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the 
>"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* 
>identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should 
>not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, 
>but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later 
>on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, 
>to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In 
>addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or 
>first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for 
>addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, 
>because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's 
>stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in 
>that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew

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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 22:48:54 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:48:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F40w19DBqqtJ1B0000c0fa@hotmail.com>

OK Drew:

And it showed up on mine, but the posts I made earlier may have shown up on 
your system but have yet to appear on mine.  For example, the post I made 
over 48 hours ago obviously made it to other list members even though it has 
not yet made it to my mail.  I see both your reply and my earlier post of 
this date.

Just to be clear, much of the discussion on this topic has been about speed 
of finding or sorting.  The point I was trying to make was that storing 
numbers generally takes less space than storing text and that the storage 
size is the most direct measure of possible performance in a file server 
database because the storage size affects the disk data retrieval time and 
the data transfer time.  The discussion about processor speed is a tempest 
in a teapot and the difference in speed at the processor level between 
numbers and text is the least part of the equation.  The more significant 
factor is at the disk to LAN and LAN to client end.  It's not just a a 
bottle neck but an 'hour' glass pinching off the flow.  If you have half the 
sand, the turn around speed is double.  The discussion about sort and search 
speed on an indexed column on text vs string is a simple 30 odd compares in 
a billion records.  How do 30 processor comparisons even warrant 
consideration in the context of the fact that those billion records have to 
be transferred over a LAN.  It's like talking about how the paint used to 
paint a truck affects the load carrying capacity of that truck because one 
brand or color of paint is a bit heavier than the other.

I personally like to store data composed of numerical characters as numbers 
wherever possible, even if there are additional formatting characters.  As I 
said before, even though dates are stored and retreived as simple numeric 
values, they may be displayed in any number of formats including spelled out 
months in any number of languages, with dates of the week, as a week number 
only, as a quarter, with times, in 24 hour format and so on.  Just because 
Microsoft built it for you doesn't mean that you can't or shouldn't take 
advantage of the same strategy.


Hen


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:36:51 -0500
>
>It showed up...grin.
>
>Couldn't agree more.  Processor speed isn't a bottleneck in Access, but my
>point is that it's no excuse to not optimize your db's for speed, whether 
>it
>is for faster LAN access or even for local db's, because I promise that 
>it's
>more likely a db will go from local to network then it is for the US postal
>service changing the Zip Code system! <grin>
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:33 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>A person I know upgraded his computer on a 2 person LAN with a machine 
>three
>
>times as fast.  His data was kept on his secretary's computer on a 100 mbit
>LAN connnection.  I warned him that he wouldn't likely see significant
>difference in performance.  In fact, he could see no difference.  I had
>warned him that a bit of time looking at indexes and addressing data volume
>and recordset size would probably be of more benefit and when all was said
>and done, he came asking for help.  Processor speed has rarely been the
>bottleneck in most Access deployments.
>
>I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither 
>of
>
>them show up yet.  The last was over 36 hours ago and I've seen once
>response to it that included an excerpt of my post.  I wonder what fraction
>of all posts made to the list that I ever see.  I tried looking at Drew's
>archive but if I search on my name, the last post by me is August 30, 2003.
>
>I'll send this once per day for the next week until I see it show up.
>
>Hen
>
>
> >From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
> >
> >You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> >everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> >code
> >for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> >change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> >decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> >modify
> >also.
> >
> >Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> >But
> >the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> >with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> >with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> >future variables?
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> >Ah but...
> >
> >one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example 
>of
> >a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something 
>utterly
> >different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> >fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> >original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> >but
> >it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky 
>decisions.
> >
> >As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test 
>Db
> >I
> >threw together.
> >
> >Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> >string field. The long field is populated with random long integer 
>values,
> >and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> >integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> >
> >The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, 
>and
> >the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code 
>to
> >search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> >
> >Sub testSearch()
> >Dim n As Long
> >Dim s As String
> >
> >Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> >Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> >Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> >Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> >Dim x As Long
> >Dim strHits As Long
> >Dim intHits As Long
> >Dim db As Database
> >Dim rs As Recordset
> >Dim sCriteria As String
> >     Randomize
> >     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
> >     For x = 1 To 1000
> >         With rs
> >             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
> >             s = CStr(n)
> >
> >             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
> >             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> >NumericSearchStart)
> >             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
> >             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> >TextSearchStart)
> >         End With
> >     Next x
> >     rs.Close
> >     Debug.Print "Average find times"
> >     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> >"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
> >     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, 
>"0.0000000000")
>
> >&
> >" Hits:" & strHits
> >     Set db = Nothing
> >     Set rs = Nothing
> >End Sub
> >
> >
> >And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> >
> >Average find times
> >Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> >Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> >Average find times
> >Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> >Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> >Average find times
> >Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> >Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> >Average find times
> >Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> >Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> >
> >As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not 
>too
> >surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> >
> >The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> >times
> >steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> >here.
> >But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> >search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> >performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> >There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> >
> >I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> >indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> >field as well as the string one).
> >
> >Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the 
>zip
> > > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> >intact
> > > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> >it
> > > stop :-)
> > >
> > > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > > considered
> > > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> >"numerical"
> > > identifier might change?
> > >
> > > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no 
>Zip
> > > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen 
>plus
> > > four
> > > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in 
>time
> > > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> >identifier.
> > > In
> > > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> >not
> > > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> >but
> > > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> >on.
> > >
> > > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > > compare
> > > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric 
>values,
> >to
> > > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard 
>binary
> > > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. 
>(If
> > > my
> > > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> >addition,
> > > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> >first
> > > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > > it's
> > > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only 
>a
> > > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 
>digit
> > > Zip
> > > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> >addresses
> > > in
> > > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> >because
> > > > it's
> > > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> >stored
> > > > as
> > > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> >that
> > > > range!
> > > >
> > > > Drew
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 18 03:07:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:07:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F40w19DBqqtJ1B0000c0fa@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea2-F40w19DBqqtJ1B0000c0fa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <65638528.20031018100747@cactus.dk>

Hi Henry

> ..  It's like talking about how the paint used to
> paint a truck affects the load carrying capacity of that truck because one 
> brand or color of paint is a bit heavier than the other.

Not that I don't agree with you on the subject, but for big airplanes
this _is_ a serious consideration.

/gustav


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Oct 18 03:12:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:12:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I do uses prefix for parameters.
Mainly becuase my FMS tools does automaticaly add this prefix, so I
started dooing this right away....


Erwin


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jim DeMarco
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 oktober 2003 20:33
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


>>since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information<<

Charlotte are you sure about that?  I don't include prefixes in
procedure arguments  for just the opposite reason (Intellisense does
show the argument name and data type when you type the function name in
a code window).

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question


A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

JB

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From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:29:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Configuration Changes Completed
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All of the list configurations have been completed as of 10:30 am EDT 
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If you have problems posting, PLEASE forward the entire rejection 
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From wangoh at tm.net.my  Sat Oct 18 10:17:22 2003
From: wangoh at tm.net.my (wangoh)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:17:22 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calendar Control
References: <001d01c37199$c4525190$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <000201c3958a$59d71840$cf96c3d2@ikhwand>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 05:32 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Calendar Control


> Anna,
>
> I just finished simplifying a calendar control I got from somewhere quite
a
> while back.  It is simpler than the one at Datasphere.  I can send you a
> copy if you like.  It's all native Access (in XP).  It should probably
down
> save to A97.
>
> Dan Waters
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anna Hopkins
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Calendar Control
>
>
> I know this subject has been discussed before so I checked the archives
> first but am still not sure what the solution to my current need is ...
>
> I'd like a simple, small calendar control to put on a form so a user can
> simply choose a date by clicking from the calendar and the date gets
> transferred to the selected text box/ field.  I used the one that comes
with
> Access several years ago and had problems with it.  Sometimes it worked
> exactly like I wanted and sometimes it would break!!???!!
>
> In the archives I read about the calendar from http://dataspherellc.com/.
Is
> this overkill for what I need or will it work for what I am trying to do?
>
> I also read about Drew's MiniCalendar but have not been able to locate
that
> one to check it out.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions, advice.   And sorry for the subject
> repeat.
> yes, i love u
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 18 10:27:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for beta
testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security system such
as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work so that
you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking for
PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only system, i.e.
it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only allows the developer
to ask questions like "should this user (belonging to this set of groups) be
allowed to open the form, see this control" etc.  Thus the developer needs
to be capable of writing code to query the classes and apply the answer as
(s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later date, add the ability to have LWS
actually set the properties discussed below which would allow use with less
programming but for now that isn't in place.

LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  The
form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit record,
Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected are Enabled,
Locked, and Visible.

LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  LWS is
designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the INTERFACE
level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a given form, who
can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT data in a given
control on a given form.  These are fundamentally different issues than the
built in DATA security that Access and SQL Server provide.  I designed LWS
because my clients asked for things like "only allow certain users to be
able to see (or use) this control" or "only allow certain users to be able
to open this form" etc.

As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child records to
parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only" operation
and requires either going directly into tables, or building specific forms
if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set the control Invisible
as the form opens unless the user belongs to the Supervisor (or
Administrator) group.

LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows NT/2K/XP
etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.  Users
belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.

There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:

uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5).
usystblLWSGroup contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit that is
used for mapping it's abilities later.
usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of users to groups.  A simple m-m
uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, Open,
Edit, Add and Delete maps.
MsysControls contains control security information - Form ID, Control name,
Enabled, Locked and Visible maps

There are a handful of forms to support LWS:

usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users.
usysfrmLWSGroups - The form for setting up groups.
usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping groups to users.
usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to groups.
usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer in setting
up form security

LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am using
the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and functioning.
The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will be available
within the next week or two.

LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available to beta
testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    You
should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods and
setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes via VB
etc.

I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...

Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the finished
product, which is more than MS gives you!

I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide whether
you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me OFF LIST at
LWS at colbyconsulting.com.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Oct 18 10:56:04 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:56:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
In-Reply-To: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEBLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks to all that answered this. I couldn't speciffically remember
prefixing my parameters but they are all prefixed. Erwin reminded me why - I
have FMS tools check all of my variables and prefix them to RVBA standards
for me. So, I guess it's a no-brainer for me on this, I'm going to prefix
them. It takes no extra work on my part :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 3:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question
>
>
> I do uses prefix for parameters.
> Mainly becuase my FMS tools does automaticaly add this prefix, so I
> started dooing this right away....
>
>
> Erwin



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 18 11:58:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:58:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMKFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

BTW, I meant to state that this is being developed in A2K.  I am using ADO
connections and CurrentProject.Connection and CodeProject.Connection syntax,
which I'm not sure works in A97.  If they do then this should work fine in
A97.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security


Folks,

I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for beta
testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security system such
as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work so that
you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking for
PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only system, i.e.
it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only allows the developer
to ask questions like "should this user (belonging to this set of groups) be
allowed to open the form, see this control" etc.  Thus the developer needs
to be capable of writing code to query the classes and apply the answer as
(s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later date, add the ability to have LWS
actually set the properties discussed below which would allow use with less
programming but for now that isn't in place.

LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  The
form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit record,
Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected are Enabled,
Locked, and Visible.

LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  LWS is
designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the INTERFACE
level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a given form, who
can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT data in a given
control on a given form.  These are fundamentally different issues than the
built in DATA security that Access and SQL Server provide.  I designed LWS
because my clients asked for things like "only allow certain users to be
able to see (or use) this control" or "only allow certain users to be able
to open this form" etc.

As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child records to
parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only" operation
and requires either going directly into tables, or building specific forms
if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set the control Invisible
as the form opens unless the user belongs to the Supervisor (or
Administrator) group.

LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows NT/2K/XP
etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.  Users
belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.

There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:

uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5).
usystblLWSGroup contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit that is
used for mapping it's abilities later.
usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of users to groups.  A simple m-m
uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, Open,
Edit, Add and Delete maps.
MsysControls contains control security information - Form ID, Control name,
Enabled, Locked and Visible maps

There are a handful of forms to support LWS:

usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users.
usysfrmLWSGroups - The form for setting up groups.
usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping groups to users.
usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to groups.
usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer in setting
up form security

LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am using
the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and functioning.
The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will be available
within the next week or two.

LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available to beta
testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    You
should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods and
setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes via VB
etc.

I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...

Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the finished
product, which is more than MS gives you!

I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide whether
you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me OFF LIST at
LWS at colbyconsulting.com.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From fahooper at trapo.com  Sat Oct 18 12:41:26 2003
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:41:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F80SOlbpH71yEX0000fb40@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c3959f$0e9ffad0$42aa0944@fred>

PsTools, a free package from www.sysinternals.com includes a PsKill program
that will kill a program.

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|[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
|Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:03 PM
|To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
|Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
|
|
|Hello All,
|
|Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can 
|call from A97 to 
|kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?
|
|Thanks,
|
|Mark
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 18 18:33:29 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:33:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F8WcISKEHRfOMc00021242@hotmail.com>

Christian:

If one were using an fluctuating base 365/366 number system, that would be 
close, but that is unnecessarily complicated.  The integer portion is 
usually a count of days before or after the date:

?format(cdate(0), "dd mm yyyy")
30 12 1899

which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that day.

If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 367, 
you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's 
Microsoft logic shining as it often does.

The numeric portion after the decimal represents the fraction of the date 
and can commonly be formatted as hours, minutes and seconds.  The 8 byte 
double in which the following date/time is stored is significantly smaller 
than the 34 bytes (68 unicode) of the following string representation:

?format(cdate(366.7), "dddd dd, mmmm yyyy, hh:nn:ss")
Monday 31, December 1900, 16:48:00

Just because you can have some fun and mess around with calculations doesn't 
mean that it doesen't make sense to store dates as numbers:

?(#sept 3 2001#)  * 2
74274
?#sept 3 2001# * #July 14 1881#
-250414791

It is equally easy to be idiotic with strings representing numbers:

?"4" + "4"
44

But it does make a great deal of sense if you want to be warned 10 days 
before a birthday or meeting because the date of the notification is simply 
the record date minus 10.

?#Jan 15, 2004# - 10
1/5/04

If you have a calendar application, this makes it very easy to give a user 
the ability to simply enter a number of days warning he wants prior to a 
calendar date.

I don't get the point of your post unless you think you are disagreeing with 
me.  You're preaching to the choir.

Hen

>From: "Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria" 
><Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:32:53 -0400
>
>A date is a number.  It is the count of years, etc from a given start 
>point.
>
>Christian Brock
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 21:56
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
><SNIPPED>
>Also, things like spaces, parentheses and hyphens can be used in formatting
>a numeric
>value.  Why do you suppose Microsoft and other software vendors store dates
>as numeric values?  Speed, efficiency and format flexibility.
>
>Hen

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Oct 18 19:07:54 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:07:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F8WcISKEHRfOMc00021242@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F92627A.12900.8FE7B1@localhost>

On 18 Oct 2003 at 17:33, Henry Simpson wrote:

> Christian:
> 
> If one were using an fluctuating base 365/366 number system, that would be 
> close, but that is unnecessarily complicated.  The integer portion is 
> usually a count of days before or after the date:
> 
> ?format(cdate(0), "dd mm yyyy")
> 30 12 1899
> 
Since Dates are really just doubles,  you don't really even need  the 
CDate() here, just Format(0,"dd mm yyyy").  

> which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that day.
> 
> If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 367, 
> you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's 
> Microsoft logic shining as it often does.
> 
That strikes me quite often when I'm doing date manipulation.  I've 
tried to see the reasoning behind that start date. So far, I can't 
see it at all. Can anyone come with  *any* logical reason?

Especially when you consider that Excel uses a more logical scheme 
where Day 1 is "1 Jan 1900"

Still in some ways Access is better than Excel which returns "O Jan 
1900" for Day 0 and an error for negative numbers :-)

 
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Support.




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 18 19:14:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:14:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <3F92627A.12900.8FE7B1@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENIFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

All of which are ridiculous to me.  Why give us the ability to define dates
out to the year 3000, when there are very real applications for dates back
to BC?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


On 18 Oct 2003 at 17:33, Henry Simpson wrote:

> Christian:
>
> If one were using an fluctuating base 365/366 number system, that would be
> close, but that is unnecessarily complicated.  The integer portion is
> usually a count of days before or after the date:
>
> ?format(cdate(0), "dd mm yyyy")
> 30 12 1899
>
Since Dates are really just doubles,  you don't really even need  the
CDate() here, just Format(0,"dd mm yyyy").

> which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that day.
>
> If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 367,
> you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's
> Microsoft logic shining as it often does.
>
That strikes me quite often when I'm doing date manipulation.  I've
tried to see the reasoning behind that start date. So far, I can't
see it at all. Can anyone come with  *any* logical reason?

Especially when you consider that Excel uses a more logical scheme
where Day 1 is "1 Jan 1900"

Still in some ways Access is better than Excel which returns "O Jan
1900" for Day 0 and an error for negative numbers :-)


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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 18 20:24:37 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:24:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F306eiCdLgT9je000191e0@hotmail.com>

Agreed.  I can see no justifiable reason for the arbitrary cut off of 
negative date values below:

?cdate(-657434)

How did they choose that magic number when the range of potential numbers 
for a double range down to over 300 digits and not just part way through 6.

Those who face the need to catalog Egyptian artifacts would probably resort 
to string representations of dates even though they might want to estimate 
life spans of pharoahs and calculate contemparaniety between the two.  
Still, there is no reason you can't still store a numeric representation and 
write your own custom FormatDate function though that would be a real 
nuisance if you needed to write the algorithms to determine which day of the 
week a particular date in that range falls.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:14:11 -0400
>
>All of which are ridiculous to me.  Why give us the ability to define dates
>out to the year 3000, when there are very real applications for dates back
>to BC?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:08 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>On 18 Oct 2003 at 17:33, Henry Simpson wrote:
>
> > Christian:
> >
> > If one were using an fluctuating base 365/366 number system, that would 
>be
> > close, but that is unnecessarily complicated.  The integer portion is
> > usually a count of days before or after the date:
> >
> > ?format(cdate(0), "dd mm yyyy")
> > 30 12 1899
> >
>Since Dates are really just doubles,  you don't really even need  the
>CDate() here, just Format(0,"dd mm yyyy").
>
> > which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that 
>day.
> >
> > If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 
>367,
> > you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's
> > Microsoft logic shining as it often does.
> >
>That strikes me quite often when I'm doing date manipulation.  I've
>tried to see the reasoning behind that start date. So far, I can't
>see it at all. Can anyone come with  *any* logical reason?
>
>Especially when you consider that Excel uses a more logical scheme
>where Day 1 is "1 Jan 1900"
>
>Still in some ways Access is better than Excel which returns "O Jan
>1900" for Day 0 and an error for negative numbers :-)
>
>
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>Support.
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Oct 18 21:02:59 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:02:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F306eiCdLgT9je000191e0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F927D73.20304.F945CA@localhost>

On 18 Oct 2003 at 19:24, Henry Simpson wrote:

> Agreed.  I can see no justifiable reason for the arbitrary cut off of 
> negative date values below:
> 
> ?cdate(-657434)
> 
> How did they choose that magic number when the range of potential numbers 
> for a double range down to over 300 digits and not just part way through 6.
> 
> Those who face the need to catalog Egyptian artifacts would probably resort 
> to string representations of dates even though they might want to estimate 
> life spans of pharoahs and calculate contemparaniety between the two.  

Generally for that sort of thing, people use Julian dates
See:
http://www.aavso.org/observing/aids/aboutjd.shtml
or
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/JulianDate.html

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 18 22:38:27 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:38:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENNFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.  
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat Oct 18 23:32:54 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:32:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENNFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c395fa$1047a800$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>


John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Oct 19 02:54:18 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:54:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Some cursortypes do not support rowcount...

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Colby
Verzonden: zondag 19 oktober 2003 5:38
Aan: AccessD
Onderwerp: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.  
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 19 03:34:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:34:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access dates (was: Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <32703106652207013443d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <32703106652207013443d0567@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <1015033027.20031019103447@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

This was because of the Lotus 1-2-3 leap year 1900 bug which Excel
mimics but the Access developers chose to ignore (thank you):

  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q181370

/gustav


> .. just Format(0,"dd mm yyyy") ..
>> which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that day.
>> 
>> If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 367, 
>> you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's 
>> Microsoft logic shining as it often does.
>> 
> That strikes me quite often when I'm doing date manipulation.  I've 
> tried to see the reasoning behind that start date. So far, I can't 
> see it at all. Can anyone come with  *any* logical reason?

> Especially when you consider that Excel uses a more logical scheme 
> where Day 1 is "1 Jan 1900"

> Still in some ways Access is better than Excel which returns "O Jan 
> 1900" for Day 0 and an error for negative numbers :-)


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 19 04:04:43 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:04:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access dates (was: Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <22409106652895213443d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <22409106652895213443d0567@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <1626829029.20031019110443@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Great links, thank you.

Also note this page which has a lot of explanation to many
calendaring questions:

  http://www.tondering.dk/claus/cal/calendar26.html

/gustav


> On 18 Oct 2003 at 19:24, Henry Simpson wrote:

>> Agreed.  I can see no justifiable reason for the arbitrary cut off of 
>> negative date values below:
>> 
>> ?cdate(-657434)
>> 
>> How did they choose that magic number when the range of potential numbers 
>> for a double range down to over 300 digits and not just part way through 6.
>> 
>> Those who face the need to catalog Egyptian artifacts would probably resort 
>> to string representations of dates even though they might want to estimate 
>> life spans of pharoahs and calculate contemparaniety between the two.  

> Generally for that sort of thing, people use Julian dates
> See:
> http://www.aavso.org/observing/aids/aboutjd.shtml
> or
> http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/JulianDate.html


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Sun Oct 19 04:04:48 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:04:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <15169409.1066554288334.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>


Have you tried setting the cursor location before opening the actual recordset, something like below
Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
rs.CursorLocation = adUseClient
rs.Open("SELECT * FROM whatever")
msgbox rs.recordcount

I think the above should work, if not please let me know.
Paul Hartland



Message date : Oct 19 2003, 08:58 AM 
>From : Erwin Craps 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [AccessD] ado recordcount 
Some cursortypes do not support rowcount... 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Colby 
Verzonden: zondag 19 oktober 2003 5:38 
Aan: AccessD 
Onderwerp: [AccessD] ado recordcount 


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. 
Move last, move first. 
EOF and BOF are both false. 

Recordcount = -1 

What gives? How do I tell how many records in the recordset? 

John W. Colby 
www.colbyconsulting.com 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 09:56:30 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:56:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
Message-ID: <007e01c39651$2df05b70$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam filter.  Ironic, no?

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 09:56:30 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:56:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
Message-ID: <007e01c39651$2df05b70$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam filter.  Ironic, no?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 19 10:05:40 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:05:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENNFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGELACOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

In addition to the information supplied by Dave Sharpe with using a server
side cursor location will cause issues. Use 'rs.CursorLocation =
adUseClient' instead of 'rs.CursorLocation = adUseServer'. Most work can be
done with 'static' cursor types. Use adOpenKeyset type cursors only when
updating or deleting and use a pessimistic lock so as to not over-write a
record being used by another.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:38 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 19 10:22:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:22:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGELACOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPEFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In fact I was just trying to get a record count for testing purposes.  I was
opening a recordset (I thought) and then passing that recordset to another
class, where a "find" was not working.  No se por que.  I ended up replacing
the table name with a SQL string and it started working.  Problem solved, no
recordcount required for testing.

The odd part is that I was opening a different recordset and doing a search
(find) inside of the class, but when passed to another class many of the
recordset properties started failing.  I'd get errors like "addition of this
record failed due to ..." when all I was doing was a find operation.  I
hadn't even done an addrec.  Weird stuff.  However by using a SQL String
instead of the table name, this problem went away.  Again, weird stuff.  I
must admit I'm not an ADO head though so who knows what I was really doing.

In this application, In my form class I am looking for a record in a table
for the form (thus the .Find) and if none found, create a new record.  I
tried the identical thing for controls, but in order to speed things up I
open the recordset in the form class and pass it off to the control class
being instantiated, where the .Find is failing.  I could open the table
directly (Identical code, stolen to do the control recordset), but had to
use an SQL statement for the control recordset.

With much wasted time figuring that out.

Sigh.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ado recordcount


Hi John:

In addition to the information supplied by Dave Sharpe with using a server
side cursor location will cause issues. Use 'rs.CursorLocation =
adUseClient' instead of 'rs.CursorLocation = adUseServer'. Most work can be
done with 'static' cursor types. Use adOpenKeyset type cursors only when
updating or deleting and use a pessimistic lock so as to not over-write a
record being used by another.

My two cents worth
Jim




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 19 12:27:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:27:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <007e01c39651$2df05b70$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

If you use Outlook, try

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html

I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that you
have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no, no
statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).

The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


Dear List:

It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do
they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to
route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt,
breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam filter.
Ironic, no?
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 12:50:25 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:50:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c39669$79b148e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

I'm using Express.  Will it work for that?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> If you use Outlook, try
>
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
>
> I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
you
> have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
> number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
no
> statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
>
> The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
> was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
> was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do
> they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to
> route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt,
> breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
filter.
> Ironic, no?
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 19 13:37:51 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:37:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"This is really ridiculous." JC

...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> If you use Outlook, try
>
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
>
> I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
you
> have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
> number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
no
> statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
>
> The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
> was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
> was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do
> they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to
> route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt,
> breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
filter.
> Ironic, no?
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Oct 19 14:01:46 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:01:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1>

We just started to test Spam Assasin on our servers at work. Oddd thing is I
dont get any spam. I use a hotmail account for anything I do on the web and
leave it to Microsoft to clear out every so often.

If your putting your email address on the web make sure you do it in such a
way that the robots etc cant recognise it as such.


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> "This is really ridiculous." JC
>
> ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > If you use Outlook, try
> >
> > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> >
> > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
> you
> > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
Spam"
> > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
> no
> > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> >
> > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.
It
> > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder
that
> > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and
do
> > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules
to
> > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
debt,
> > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> filter.
> > Ironic, no?
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 14:39:33 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:39:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

SO you don't use and spam blocker?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> "This is really ridiculous." JC
>
> ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > If you use Outlook, try
> >
> > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> >
> > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
> you
> > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
Spam"
> > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
> no
> > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> >
> > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.
It
> > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder
that
> > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and
do
> > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules
to
> > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
debt,
> > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> filter.
> > Ironic, no?
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 14:40:17 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:40:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1>
Message-ID: <013401c39678$d2d4a8e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Any preliminary result on Spam Assassin?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> We just started to test Spam Assasin on our servers at work. Oddd thing is
I
> dont get any spam. I use a hotmail account for anything I do on the web
and
> leave it to Microsoft to clear out every so often.
>
> If your putting your email address on the web make sure you do it in such
a
> way that the robots etc cant recognise it as such.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > "This is really ridiculous." JC
> >
> > ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
> birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to
work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
> to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > > If you use Outlook, try
> > >
> > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> > >
> > > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is
that
> > you
> > > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
> Spam"
> > > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam
(no,
> > no
> > > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> > >
> > > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.
> It
> > > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder
> that
> > > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use
and
> do
> > > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail
rules
> to
> > > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
> debt,
> > > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> > filter.
> > > Ironic, no?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 19 15:39:28 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <009701c39681$17ca0910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there ...but hotmail
also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its "bulk mail"
catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots of spam scams
that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
:(((((

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> SO you don't use and spam blocker?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > "This is really ridiculous." JC
> >
> > ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
> birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to
work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
> to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > > If you use Outlook, try
> > >
> > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> > >
> > > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is
that
> > you
> > > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
> Spam"
> > > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam
(no,
> > no
> > > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> > >
> > > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.
> It
> > > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder
> that
> > > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use
and
> do
> > > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail
rules
> to
> > > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
> debt,
> > > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> > filter.
> > > Ironic, no?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 19 16:41:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:41:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <00d701c39669$79b148e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPNFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope, doesn't work for express.  I use K9 for my wife's computer which uses
express.  K9 is a proxy that picks up the mail, does it's thing, then
forwards it on to the email client.  It works fine.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


I'm using Express.  Will it work for that?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> If you use Outlook, try
>
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
>
> I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
you
> have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
> number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
no
> statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
>
> The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
> was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
> was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do
> they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to
> route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt,
> breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
filter.
> Ironic, no?
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From terry.mace at baesystems.com  Sun Oct 19 16:50:03 2003
From: terry.mace at baesystems.com (MACE, Terry)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:20:03 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
Message-ID: <B20C5B1CB8A30543BD7A9F173F29CCFD05BE76@abw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>

Can anyone tell me if either Treeview or Listview can be used to display
data in a many-to-many relationship.

I have a Bill Of Materials database where several parent parts may have the
same child part that I want to display.

Thanks

Terry Mace

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 19 18:20:52 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:20:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
In-Reply-To: <B20C5B1CB8A30543BD7A9F173F29CCFD05BE76@abw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGELDCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Terry:

To access the data that is in the same table you have to use two
relationships; once as a item and once as part of a group. You can not use
many to many but the following select statement will assemble both the child
and parent records.

select Inv.code, Inv.description, InvGroups.Code, InvItems.Code
from InvTable as InvItems, InvTable as InvGroups, Inventory as Inv
where inv.itemIndex = InvItems.itemIndex
  and inv.itemIndex = InvGroups.groupIndex

or you can use the UNION statement with a subquery

select Code, description, GrpCode, ItemCode from (
	(select Inv.code, Inv.description, InvGroups.GrpCode, "" ItemCode
	from InvTable as InvGroups, Inventory as Inv
	where inv.itemIndex = InvGroups.groupIndex)
	union all
	(select Inv.code, Inv.description, "" GrpCode, InvItems.Code
	from InvTable as InvItems, InvTable as InvGroups, Inventory as Inv
	where inv.itemIndex = InvItems.itemIndex)
) group by Code, description, GrpCode, ItemCode

This might not be absolutely correct, as I have no way to test it but
concepts are there. (You may have to use a throw away aggregate function.
like 'count(ItemCode)' to force the grouping, in the second code segment.)

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MACE, Terry
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 2:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays


Can anyone tell me if either Treeview or Listview can be used to display
data in a many-to-many relationship.

I have a Bill Of Materials database where several parent parts may have the
same child part that I want to display.

Thanks

Terry Mace
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sun Oct 19 18:48:53 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:18:53 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A437@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Save yourself the trouble (and performance cost of opening a recordset), and
execute a:

SELECT COUNT([FieldName]) against the connection.

especially when your not returning or any data (ie, working with the
recordset).

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 12:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ado recordcount


In fact I was just trying to get a record count for testing purposes.  I was
opening a recordset (I thought) and then passing that recordset to another
class, where a "find" was not working.  No se por que.  I ended up replacing
the table name with a SQL string and it started working.  Problem solved, no
recordcount required for testing.

The odd part is that I was opening a different recordset and doing a search
(find) inside of the class, but when passed to another class many of the
recordset properties started failing.  I'd get errors like "addition of this
record failed due to ..." when all I was doing was a find operation.  I
hadn't even done an addrec.  Weird stuff.  However by using a SQL String
instead of the table name, this problem went away.  Again, weird stuff.  I
must admit I'm not an ADO head though so who knows what I was really doing.

In this application, In my form class I am looking for a record in a table
for the form (thus the .Find) and if none found, create a new record.  I
tried the identical thing for controls, but in order to speed things up I
open the recordset in the form class and pass it off to the control class
being instantiated, where the .Find is failing.  I could open the table
directly (Identical code, stolen to do the control recordset), but had to
use an SQL statement for the control recordset.

With much wasted time figuring that out.

Sigh.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ado recordcount


Hi John:

In addition to the information supplied by Dave Sharpe with using a server
side cursor location will cause issues. Use 'rs.CursorLocation =
adUseClient' instead of 'rs.CursorLocation = adUseServer'. Most work can be
done with 'static' cursor types. Use adOpenKeyset type cursors only when
updating or deleting and use a pessimistic lock so as to not over-write a
record being used by another.

My two cents worth
Jim



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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 19 20:57:03 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:57:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <007e01c39651$2df05b70$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAECKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

HI Rocky,
I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your PC
and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express or
both. It's $19.95.

They also have a server based version for Exchange users.

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930

HTH
JB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all
> use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block
> Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on
> whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are
> contained in the message and/or heading?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their
> spam filter.  Ironic, no?
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 21:20:39 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:20:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAECKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <01a201c396b0$c12936a0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

How does it work?  I mean different from the OE  message rules?  How does it
recognize spam?

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:57 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> HI Rocky,
> I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your PC
> and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express or
> both. It's $19.95.
>
> They also have a server based version for Exchange users.
>
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930
>
> HTH
> JB
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all
> > use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block
> > Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on
> > whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are
> > contained in the message and/or heading?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their
> > spam filter.  Ironic, no?
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Sun Oct 19 23:14:05 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:14:05 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <009701c39681$17ca0910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXEbX4A@pacific.net.hk>

My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if the 1%
it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent losing
such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If that's
the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my inbox
and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.

A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or have a
new email.
- *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.  Use
either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
receiving enquiries
- checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw away
address.  I use a yahoo email address for this

Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe someone
can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> 
> 
> ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there 
> ...but hotmail
> also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its 
> "bulk mail"
> catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots 
> of spam scams
> that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as 
> B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> :(((((
> 
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless 
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to 
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision 
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> 
> 
> > SO you don't use and spam blocker?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > > "This is really ridiculous." JC
> > >
> > > ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, 
> regardless of his
> > birth,
> > > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right 
> to live, to
> work,
> > > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his 
> vision can combine
> > to
> > > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > > -- Thomas Wolfe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you use Outlook, try
> > > >
> > > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> > > >
> > > > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing 
> to know is
> that
> > > you
> > > > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and 
> the "Suspected
> > Spam"
> > > > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 
> 99% of my Spam
> (no,
> > > no
> > > > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> > > >
> > > > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in 
> the last month.
> > It
> > > > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old 
> mail forwarder
> > that
> > > > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do 
> you all use
> and
> > do
> > > > they really save more time than outlook's "Block 
> Sender" and mail
> rules
> > to
> > > > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he 
> words Viagra,
> > debt,
> > > > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to 
> buy their spam
> > > filter.
> > > > Ironic, no?
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 19 23:50:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:50:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXEbX4A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEALFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

For my money it is still helpful to place the spam in a separate folder for
scanning.  It just seems easier to look at a page of messages about loans,
pills and penis patches and pick out the one good message.  And believe me,
Bayesian filters are VERY good at deciding that something is spam.

I use Outlook filters to further classify my email, sorting things into
folders.  Newsletters, AccessD messages, stuff from friends and relatives
etc.  Train the Bayesian filter on ONE EACH of these messages and it's good
to go.  I guess it decides that the address is good or something, not sure
really.  So the spam goes into the spam bucket and really is spam, VERY
occasional "not sure" (and you can play with the numbers to decide the % is
tagged not sure), and whatever is left in the inbox after spam filtering and
my rules is also about 50% spam, though these amount to 1 or 2 a day.

Until someone on the list turned me on to Bayesian filters I wasn't
convinced, but they really do work.  This C%oc&k crap gets shoveled right
out as spam.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if the
1%
it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent
losing
such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If
that's
the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my
inbox
and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.

A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or
have a
new email.
- *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.  Use
either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
receiving enquiries
- checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw away
address.  I use a yahoo email address for this

Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe
someone
can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there
> ...but hotmail
> also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its
> "bulk mail"
> catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots
> of spam scams
> that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as
> B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> :(((((
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe




From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 20 01:03:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:03:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEALFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOELFCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Yes, I concur John.

I was recently introduced to the new Mozilla Bayesian filter and was totally
impressed especially that it actually learns your preferences and
tolerences, similar to a netural net...it actually learns as it goes from
your selections and rejections  over time. A friend has been using one for
over a year now. He has been directing all the spam to a spam directory just
in case it filtered some important documents. In the last month or so he
says it has been doing the filtering with one hundred percent accuracy but
he said it tooks months before the filter was properly fine-tune.

I will be using the Bayesian spam filter for sure.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


For my money it is still helpful to place the spam in a separate folder for
scanning.  It just seems easier to look at a page of messages about loans,
pills and penis patches and pick out the one good message.  And believe me,
Bayesian filters are VERY good at deciding that something is spam.

I use Outlook filters to further classify my email, sorting things into
folders.  Newsletters, AccessD messages, stuff from friends and relatives
etc.  Train the Bayesian filter on ONE EACH of these messages and it's good
to go.  I guess it decides that the address is good or something, not sure
really.  So the spam goes into the spam bucket and really is spam, VERY
occasional "not sure" (and you can play with the numbers to decide the % is
tagged not sure), and whatever is left in the inbox after spam filtering and
my rules is also about 50% spam, though these amount to 1 or 2 a day.

Until someone on the list turned me on to Bayesian filters I wasn't
convinced, but they really do work.  This C%oc&k crap gets shoveled right
out as spam.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if the
1%
it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent
losing
such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If
that's
the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my
inbox
and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.

A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or
have a
new email.
- *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.  Use
either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
receiving enquiries
- checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw away
address.  I use a yahoo email address for this

Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe
someone
can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there
> ...but hotmail
> also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its
> "bulk mail"
> catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots
> of spam scams
> that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as
> B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> :(((((
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 01:31:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:31:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
 <012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <1630766.20031020083149@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky et all

Wonder why this subject doesn't live on our Techno sister list for the
benefice of those listers not interested that much in Access?

/gustav


> SO you don't use and spam blocker?


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 02:16:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:16:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABKEMLCPAA.artful@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Arthur,

The only way I was able to get this working was using an optional VARIANT
and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.

Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
llngCTYID As Variant)
Dim lngCTYID As Variant
    If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
        lngCTYID = llngCTYID
    End If
    FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
End Function

It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in AfterUpdate of the
filter combo and used the function value in the dependent combo's query.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Thanks for the explication, Stuart!

IMO the coolest thing about statics is that you can eliminate references to
forms. In the AfterUpdate event of some control, you call the static
function and pass the param. Anywhere else you need it, call the func
without a param. I don't like being tied to particular forms being open. I
want to be able to run a query etc. from the debug window anytime I want,
and to set said static func from the debug window anytime I want. Statics
give me this. That's why I love 'em.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Oh.  That's very cool.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


> On 5 Sep 2003 at 7:48, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
>
> > Must have missed that thread Arthur.  What are static functions?
> >
>
>
> Functions which retain the value of their variables between calls.
> Something like:
>
> STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date) as Date
> Local dteStore as Date
> IF NOT ISNULLl(dteStartDate) Then
>      dteStore = dteStartDate
> END IF
> StartDate = dteStore
> End FUNCTION
>
> Every time you call the function with a date parameter, it sets its
> value. Every time you call it without a parameter, it returns the
> last value set.
>
> You can now  you user select a start date on a "pick form" somewhere.
> When they have picked it, set the value of  Startdate() with
> something like dteTemp = StartDate(txtStartDate)
>
> Now you can use "=StartDate()" in reports, queries, form filters etc
> anywhere you like. It will return the selected value  until the user
> goes back to the pick form and changes it.
>
>
>
> --
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.
>
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 02:37:07 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:37:07 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkcH4A@pacific.net.hk>

Yes ... You can't set variables declared as LONG/INTEGER/STRING etc as null.  Ie
  DIM lngi as LONG
  Lngi = NULL
This won't work ... It will generate an error.  You can only do that with
variants.  I usually try to avoid variants, so would use something like this:

STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date = 0) as Date
  Local dteStore as Date
  IF dteStartDate <> 0 Then
    dteStore = dteStartDate
  END IF
  StartDate = dteStore
End FUNCTION

Of course this assumes that 00:00:00 Jan 1 1890 (or whenever the start value of
the date variable is) is not going to be a valid input.  

In some circumstances I add initialisation options.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property 
> in a query
> 
> 
> Arthur,
> 
> The only way I was able to get this working was using an 
> optional VARIANT
> and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.
> 
> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function
> 
> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in 
> AfterUpdate of the
> filter combo and used the function value in the dependent 
> combo's query.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property 
> in a query
> 
> 
> Thanks for the explication, Stuart!
> 
> IMO the coolest thing about statics is that you can eliminate 
> references to
> forms. In the AfterUpdate event of some control, you call the static
> function and pass the param. Anywhere else you need it, call the func
> without a param. I don't like being tied to particular forms 
> being open. I
> want to be able to run a query etc. from the debug window 
> anytime I want,
> and to set said static func from the debug window anytime I 
> want. Statics
> give me this. That's why I love 'em.
> 
> A.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property 
> in a query
> 
> 
> Oh.  That's very cool.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property 
> in a query
> 
> 
> > On 5 Sep 2003 at 7:48, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
> >
> > > Must have missed that thread Arthur.  What are static functions?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Functions which retain the value of their variables between calls.
> > Something like:
> >
> > STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date) as Date
> > Local dteStore as Date
> > IF NOT ISNULLl(dteStartDate) Then
> >      dteStore = dteStartDate
> > END IF
> > StartDate = dteStore
> > End FUNCTION
> >
> > Every time you call the function with a date parameter, it sets its
> > value. Every time you call it without a parameter, it returns the
> > last value set.
> >
> > You can now  you user select a start date on a "pick form" 
> somewhere.
> > When they have picked it, set the value of  Startdate() with
> > something like dteTemp = StartDate(txtStartDate)
> >
> > Now you can use "=StartDate()" in reports, queries, form filters etc
> > anywhere you like. It will return the selected value  until the user
> > goes back to the pick form and changes it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > Information Technology Consultancy, Software 
> Development,System Support.
> >
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 03:02:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:02:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkcH4A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEBCFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I try and avoid variants as well.  Unfortunately IsMissing requires a
variant.  In this sort of application it appears to me that using a variant
is worthwhile to avoid the issue of "what is a valid 'not used' value" and
will that value be "not used" tomorrow.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Yes ... You can't set variables declared as LONG/INTEGER/STRING etc as null.
Ie
  DIM lngi as LONG
  Lngi = NULL
This won't work ... It will generate an error.  You can only do that with
variants.  I usually try to avoid variants, so would use something like
this:

STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date = 0) as Date
  Local dteStore as Date
  IF dteStartDate <> 0 Then
    dteStore = dteStartDate
  END IF
  StartDate = dteStore
End FUNCTION

Of course this assumes that 00:00:00 Jan 1 1890 (or whenever the start value
of
the date variable is) is not going to be a valid input.

In some circumstances I add initialisation options.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Arthur,
>
> The only way I was able to get this working was using an
> optional VARIANT
> and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.
>
> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function
>
> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in
> AfterUpdate of the
> filter combo and used the function value in the dependent
> combo's query.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Thanks for the explication, Stuart!
>
> IMO the coolest thing about statics is that you can eliminate
> references to
> forms. In the AfterUpdate event of some control, you call the static
> function and pass the param. Anywhere else you need it, call the func
> without a param. I don't like being tied to particular forms
> being open. I
> want to be able to run a query etc. from the debug window
> anytime I want,
> and to set said static func from the debug window anytime I
> want. Statics
> give me this. That's why I love 'em.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Oh.  That's very cool.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> > On 5 Sep 2003 at 7:48, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
> >
> > > Must have missed that thread Arthur.  What are static functions?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Functions which retain the value of their variables between calls.
> > Something like:
> >
> > STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date) as Date
> > Local dteStore as Date
> > IF NOT ISNULLl(dteStartDate) Then
> >      dteStore = dteStartDate
> > END IF
> > StartDate = dteStore
> > End FUNCTION
> >
> > Every time you call the function with a date parameter, it sets its
> > value. Every time you call it without a parameter, it returns the
> > last value set.
> >
> > You can now  you user select a start date on a "pick form"
> somewhere.
> > When they have picked it, set the value of  Startdate() with
> > something like dteTemp = StartDate(txtStartDate)
> >
> > Now you can use "=StartDate()" in reports, queries, form filters etc
> > anywhere you like. It will return the selected value  until the user
> > goes back to the pick form and changes it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > Information Technology Consultancy, Software
> Development,System Support.
> >
> >
> >
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct 20 03:04:12 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:04:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1>
	<013401c39678$d2d4a8e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <004001c396e0$bf66c550$9111758f@aine>

Rocky

We just started the testing. Will keep you (and the lsit) posted.

Martin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> Any preliminary result on Spam Assassin?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > We just started to test Spam Assasin on our servers at work. Oddd thing
is
> I
> > dont get any spam. I use a hotmail account for anything I do on the web
> and
> > leave it to Microsoft to clear out every so often.
> >
> > If your putting your email address on the web make sure you do it in
such
> a
> > way that the robots etc cant recognise it as such.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > > "This is really ridiculous." JC
> > >
> > > ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
> > birth,
> > > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to
> work,
> > > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can
combine
> > to
> > > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > > -- Thomas Wolfe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you use Outlook, try
> > > >
> > > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> > > >
> > > > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is
> that
> > > you
> > > > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
> > Spam"
> > > > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam
> (no,
> > > no
> > > > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> > > >
> > > > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last
month.
> > It
> > > > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail
forwarder
> > that
> > > > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use
> and
> > do
> > > > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail
> rules
> > to
> > > > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
> > debt,
> > > > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> > > filter.
> > > > Ironic, no?
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Mon Oct 20 03:24:52 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:24:52 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805A7@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

Hallo Terry,

AFAIK all the records showen in a treeview have to be unique,
(there was an article about creating unique keys for a treeview
at devx written by Arthur Fuller, sorry don't have the link,
maybe somebody else does....)

which would mean that in your case a treeview would be hard to
get working.

hth

alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von MACE, Terry
Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Oktober 2003 23:50
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays


Can anyone tell me if either Treeview or Listview can be used to display
data in a many-to-many relationship.

I have a Bill Of Materials database where several parent parts may have the
same child part that I want to display.

Thanks

Terry Mace
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 04:00:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:00:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <69571312.20031020110049@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You have exactly hit the catch of the use of static functions like
these.

You have to decide - for yourself and the current application - how to
handle these two questions. There is no right or wrong answer:

1. Will I ever pull a value without having fed one?
2. If yes, do I - when no value has been supplied to it - want the
function to return a don't-know-value (Null) or a preset value?

Further, if you for 2. decide to supply a non determined value like
Null, you must, of course, prepare your query to handle this value.
This is important as the original reason for considering a static
function often is to avoid Nulls.

If you answer No to 1. you have no problems.

If you answer Yes to 1. and decide for supplying a non determined
value when no value is available, Variant is probably the right choice
as return value type of the function as this can be Null.
String will return an empty string which often is satisfactory, while
the numeric types will return zero which quite often _will_ have a
meaning. This is indeed true for date/time values.

For dates it is often not convenient to return Null values as you
can't use these in "Between .. And .." constructions. If an "early"
date must be returned as the non determined value, you may pick
#1/1/100#.

Finally, I see no problem in using Variants. Sometimes they are the
right choice as in your function. However, you should name them as
such, like varCTYID.

/gustav

PS: Why are you not sleeping at this time, hogging your pillow?


> The only way I was able to get this working was using an optional VARIANT
> and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.

> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function

> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in AfterUpdate of the
> filter combo and used the function value in the dependent combo's query.


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 04:21:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:21:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <69571312.20031020110049@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

Yep, the name should be varxxx.  I started the function with them lngXXX and
forgot to change them.

I followed with interest the discussion the other day where someone said
they used a different prefix in the param of a function than the actual type
of that param.  I have waffled about this myself.  My thinking was that
intellisense shows the name of the variable, and having it named the data
type you expected to receive told the programmer what to feed in.  IOW, even
though I HAVE to use a variant in order to use the IsEmpty function, I
really want the function fed with a long integer.

It makes a real difference in some cases.  For example, I feed the value of
a text box into the function.  Even though the value is a long, because it
comes from a text box, it is converted to a string by the text box.  Since
this is feeding a function that feeds a query that expects a long integer
(to filter a FK), the function MUST return a long.  Now of course I can do a
cint() on the way out, but if the param name tells me lngXXX then I know
that I am expected to feed in a long int as well.  That is after all what
naming conventions are for, is to tap the developer on the shoulder and say
"this object is supposed to be this type".

Since the function parameter is actually a variant (so that IsMissing will
work), it can handle anything sent in, but that doesn't mean that it should
be fed just anything.

To me this is one of those gray areas where naming conventions just don't
work as they should.  Yea, it's literally a variant, but it is expecting a
long.  What should the name say, lng or var?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Hi John

You have exactly hit the catch of the use of static functions like
these.

You have to decide - for yourself and the current application - how to
handle these two questions. There is no right or wrong answer:

1. Will I ever pull a value without having fed one?
2. If yes, do I - when no value has been supplied to it - want the
function to return a don't-know-value (Null) or a preset value?

Further, if you for 2. decide to supply a non determined value like
Null, you must, of course, prepare your query to handle this value.
This is important as the original reason for considering a static
function often is to avoid Nulls.

If you answer No to 1. you have no problems.

If you answer Yes to 1. and decide for supplying a non determined
value when no value is available, Variant is probably the right choice
as return value type of the function as this can be Null.
String will return an empty string which often is satisfactory, while
the numeric types will return zero which quite often _will_ have a
meaning. This is indeed true for date/time values.

For dates it is often not convenient to return Null values as you
can't use these in "Between .. And .." constructions. If an "early"
date must be returned as the non determined value, you may pick
#1/1/100#.

Finally, I see no problem in using Variants. Sometimes they are the
right choice as in your function. However, you should name them as
such, like varCTYID.

/gustav

PS: Why are you not sleeping at this time, hogging your pillow?


> The only way I was able to get this working was using an optional VARIANT
> and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.

> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function

> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in AfterUpdate of the
> filter combo and used the function value in the dependent combo's query.

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 04:25:09 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:25:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 04:46:30 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:46:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9812312133.20031020114630@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> Since the function parameter is actually a variant (so that IsMissing will
> work), it can handle anything sent in, but that doesn't mean that it should
> be fed just anything.

> To me this is one of those gray areas where naming conventions just don't
> work as they should.  Yea, it's literally a variant, but it is expecting a
> long.  What should the name say, lng or var?

I think it should be a Variant for three reasons.

First, if you name it as, say, lng and you feed it a string by error,
this will not cause an error which it would if the parameter was a
true Long. I find it convenient that such errors are caught as early
as possible, indeed during development.

Second, if you use ByRef ...

Third, if your function only can or is supposed to handle certain
vartypes you will, as you know, have to trap other vartypes. Often you
will need nothing more than IsNumeric() or IsDate() - or even "On
Error Resume Next" - for that purpose.

/gustav


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 04:46:56 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:46:56 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c396ef$19f89ee0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

As an extension to that, I've started prefixing function parameters with the By
Ref/By Val type.  Eg Function CapString (By Val vstrSomeValue as string) as
string. (vstr is string by value as opposed to rstr as by ref) Mostly this is
just for accuracy of naming, but it could be useful if you manipulate the
parameter, particularly in the case of API calls.

You do raise a good point John.  Variable naming conventions are meant to be
useful in debugging, relooking at code, or just taking over someone elses code.
I suppose you could extend a convention to handle cases like that.

For example, I've seen.
  cstr string constant
  vstr string by value (I didn't invent this)
  rstr string by ref

So why not add
  varstr/varint/varlng etc
  varstr variant expecting a string
  varlng variant expecting a long

Food for thought

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Gustav,
>
> Yep, the name should be varxxx.  I started the function with
> them lngXXX and
> forgot to change them.
>
> I followed with interest the discussion the other day where
> someone said
> they used a different prefix in the param of a function than
> the actual type
> of that param.  I have waffled about this myself.  My
> thinking was that
> intellisense shows the name of the variable, and having it
> named the data
> type you expected to receive told the programmer what to feed
> in.  IOW, even
> though I HAVE to use a variant in order to use the IsEmpty function, I
> really want the function fed with a long integer.
>
> It makes a real difference in some cases.  For example, I
> feed the value of
> a text box into the function.  Even though the value is a
> long, because it
> comes from a text box, it is converted to a string by the
> text box.  Since
> this is feeding a function that feeds a query that expects a
> long integer
> (to filter a FK), the function MUST return a long.  Now of
> course I can do a
> cint() on the way out, but if the param name tells me lngXXX
> then I know
> that I am expected to feed in a long int as well.  That is
> after all what
> naming conventions are for, is to tap the developer on the
> shoulder and say
> "this object is supposed to be this type".
>
> Since the function parameter is actually a variant (so that
> IsMissing will
> work), it can handle anything sent in, but that doesn't mean
> that it should
> be fed just anything.
>
> To me this is one of those gray areas where naming
> conventions just don't
> work as they should.  Yea, it's literally a variant, but it
> is expecting a
> long.  What should the name say, lng or var?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Hi John
>
> You have exactly hit the catch of the use of static functions like
> these.
>
> You have to decide - for yourself and the current application - how to
> handle these two questions. There is no right or wrong answer:
>
> 1. Will I ever pull a value without having fed one?
> 2. If yes, do I - when no value has been supplied to it - want the
> function to return a don't-know-value (Null) or a preset value?
>
> Further, if you for 2. decide to supply a non determined value like
> Null, you must, of course, prepare your query to handle this value.
> This is important as the original reason for considering a static
> function often is to avoid Nulls.
>
> If you answer No to 1. you have no problems.
>
> If you answer Yes to 1. and decide for supplying a non determined
> value when no value is available, Variant is probably the right choice
> as return value type of the function as this can be Null.
> String will return an empty string which often is satisfactory, while
> the numeric types will return zero which quite often _will_ have a
> meaning. This is indeed true for date/time values.
>
> For dates it is often not convenient to return Null values as you
> can't use these in "Between .. And .." constructions. If an "early"
> date must be returned as the non determined value, you may pick
> #1/1/100#.
>
> Finally, I see no problem in using Variants. Sometimes they are the
> right choice as in your function. However, you should name them as
> such, like varCTYID.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: Why are you not sleeping at this time, hogging your pillow?
>
>
> > The only way I was able to get this working was using an
> optional VARIANT
> > and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.
>
> > Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> > llngCTYID As Variant)
> > Dim lngCTYID As Variant
> >     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
> >         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
> >     End If
> >     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> > End Function
>
> > It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in
> AfterUpdate of the
> > filter combo and used the function value in the dependent
> combo's query.
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 05:05:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:05:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <002a01c396ef$19f89ee0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <002a01c396ef$19f89ee0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <7113424773.20031020120503@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Good idea. Except for one thing: sometimes ByVal is handled like ByRef
in API calls. I've never found an explanation for that ...

Here's an example (strBuffer):

Private Declare Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32" Alias "GetTempPathA" ( _
  ByVal nBufferLength As Long, _
  ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long

Public Function GetTempDirectory() As String

' Returns path to temp directory incl. traling backslash:
'   c:\winnt\temp\

  Const clngBufferLen As Long = 255
  Dim lngPath         As Long
  Dim strBuffer       As String * clngBufferLen

  lngPath = GetTempPath(clngBufferLen, strBuffer)
  If lngPath < 0 Then
    lngPath = 0
  End If
  GetTempDirectory = LCase(Left(strBuffer, lngPath))
    
End Function


/gustav


> As an extension to that, I've started prefixing function parameters with the By
> Ref/By Val type.  Eg Function CapString (By Val vstrSomeValue as string) as
> string. (vstr is string by value as opposed to rstr as by ref) Mostly this is
> just for accuracy of naming, but it could be useful if you manipulate the
> parameter, particularly in the case of API calls.

> You do raise a good point John.  Variable naming conventions are meant to be
> useful in debugging, relooking at code, or just taking over someone elses code.
> I suppose you could extend a convention to handle cases like that.

> For example, I've seen.
>   cstr string constant
>   vstr string by value (I didn't invent this)
>   rstr string by ref

> So why not add
>   varstr/varint/varlng etc
>   varstr variant expecting a string
>   varlng variant expecting a long


From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 05:14:06 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:14:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] 
	OT: Adding multiple 'records' in a W2K table using userforms?
Message-ID: <20031020101406.46980.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi group,

i'm creating a userform in Word 2000. 
At this point it fills in everything I want, EXCEPT
(of course) I do not now how I can create something to
let the user add multiple lines eg
The user has to fill in the activities he/she needs to
do.

ID  Description          Time (in hours)
A1  Add new customers       2 
A2  Remove new customers    1
A3  Add new products        2

What control do I need to create the above? i tried
the [Microsoft Flexgrid Control] but I couldn't enter
any info. If this IS the control I need how do I
export this info to the actual table in the word
document? Is this also possible with bookmarks?

TIA

SD

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From liam at energyexhausts.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 05:35:43 2003
From: liam at energyexhausts.co.uk (Liam Meadows)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:35:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Unrecognized Database Format problem
Message-ID: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509E017093@energys1.energy.local>

Well it looks like my system has the Monday morning blues.
The MDB BE Keeps getting corrupted and the culprit seems to be my
machine.
When I try and repair the BE it says that it is in use by admin on
OFFICE2 which is wrong because I am logged in as LIAM on OFFICE2.
Even if I shut the machine down and all the others then goto the server
and try and repair it syill tells me that ADMIN on OFFICE2 is still
connected. It won't let me delete the ldb due to share violations and
the only way to get rid of it is to reboot the server and delete the
ldb.

Has anyone come across this problem ?
Has anyone a solution ?

Regards

Liam

From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 05:50:02 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:50:02 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Unrecognized Database Format problem
In-Reply-To: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509E017093@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <002d01c396f7$eab058e0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

By default the login name and password for getting into access is ADMIN and []
(ie blank password.  If you use access security, and change the ADMIN password,
then you will be prompted for a username and password everytime you login to the
access mdb.

So by ADMIN it is referring to the login name into access, not the login name on
your PC.  That is why it keeps saying ADMIN.

As to the specific cause of the corruption, it is most commonly caused by
connections/objects not being closed correctly.

So when you use
  dim db as database
  set db = [some connection to the back end on the server]

You need to also add
  set db = nothing
  (I've not needed to use db.close)
When you have finished with the object.  The same applies to any other objects
that connect to the backend.  Eg recordsets.

Hope that helps

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Liam Meadows
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 6:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Unrecognized Database Format problem
>
>
> Well it looks like my system has the Monday morning blues.
> The MDB BE Keeps getting corrupted and the culprit seems to be my
> machine.
> When I try and repair the BE it says that it is in use by admin on
> OFFICE2 which is wrong because I am logged in as LIAM on OFFICE2.
> Even if I shut the machine down and all the others then goto
> the server
> and try and repair it syill tells me that ADMIN on OFFICE2 is still
> connected. It won't let me delete the ldb due to share violations and
> the only way to get rid of it is to reboot the server and delete the
> ldb.
>
> Has anyone come across this problem ?
> Has anyone a solution ?
>
> Regards
>
> Liam
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Oct 20 06:19:52 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:19:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306556A2@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF42@ADGSERVER>

I second this one.  It catches ALL of the spam but sometimes moves good
stuff to the possible spam folder.

What I did is to let a bunch of spam build up for training purposes.  I
moved all of the spam to a spam folder before training.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


If you use Outlook, try

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html

I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that you
have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no, no
statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).

The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 06:34:12 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:34:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
Message-ID: <20031020113409.83D9523A1AD@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Hi John
I handle this by always having my users running Runtime which automatically
turns off all in-built toolbars.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
Date: 20/10/03 09:31


One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
when the db is in production. It occurred to me I could use my
Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine. Has anyone ever
done this? Any thoughts on the matter?

John W. Colby
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Mon Oct 20 06:37:29 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:37:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED@achmea.nl>

Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





"dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
06:32:54

Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
cc:

Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount



John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Mon Oct 20 07:10:33 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:10:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off Run Faster
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E00E7@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

What is it you turn off in A2K for better performance? I know one is when
you open a table you can click on the + to show the related info - where do
you turn this off?
 
Is there anything else that will help?
 
Virginia

From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 07:28:44 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805A7@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <20031020122844.27508.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>

??Question you've got a many-to-many between you're
products table and you're parts table, correct?

So you would have:
Tablename: Product
Fields: ID(=Primary Key), Description
Values:
ID     Description
7      Table
9      Chair

Suppose the table and chair both use the same wooden
'leg'

Tablename: Parts
Fields: ID (=Primary Key), Description    
Values:
ID     Description
1006   WoodenLeg

If you would create a table that holds the
relationships between products and parts, eg tblBOM,
with the fields ID_Products and ID_Parts. this would
create the following:
ID_Products   ID_PARTS
7             1006
9             1009

Wich are unique! Or did I miss something?

Hope this is what you need.

Regards

Sander
--- "Garraway, Alun" <Alun.Garraway at otto.de> wrote:
> Hallo Terry,
> 
> AFAIK all the records showen in a treeview have to
> be unique,
> (there was an article about creating unique keys for
> a treeview
> at devx written by Arthur Fuller, sorry don't have
> the link,
> maybe somebody else does....)
> 
> which would mean that in your case a treeview would
> be hard to
> get working.
> 
> hth
> 
> alun
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im
> Auftrag von MACE, Terry
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Oktober 2003 23:50
> An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Betreff: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell me if either Treeview or Listview
> can be used to display
> data in a many-to-many relationship.
> 
> I have a Bill Of Materials database where several
> parent parts may have the
> same child part that I want to display.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Terry Mace
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 07:42:13 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:42:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOELFCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001401c39707$96148bc0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

So where does one get one of these filters for Outlook Express?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> Yes, I concur John.
>
> I was recently introduced to the new Mozilla Bayesian filter and was
totally
> impressed especially that it actually learns your preferences and
> tolerences, similar to a netural net...it actually learns as it goes from
> your selections and rejections  over time. A friend has been using one for
> over a year now. He has been directing all the spam to a spam directory
just
> in case it filtered some important documents. In the last month or so he
> says it has been doing the filtering with one hundred percent accuracy but
> he said it tooks months before the filter was properly fine-tune.
>
> I will be using the Bayesian spam filter for sure.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> For my money it is still helpful to place the spam in a separate folder
for
> scanning.  It just seems easier to look at a page of messages about loans,
> pills and penis patches and pick out the one good message.  And believe
me,
> Bayesian filters are VERY good at deciding that something is spam.
>
> I use Outlook filters to further classify my email, sorting things into
> folders.  Newsletters, AccessD messages, stuff from friends and relatives
> etc.  Train the Bayesian filter on ONE EACH of these messages and it's
good
> to go.  I guess it decides that the address is good or something, not sure
> really.  So the spam goes into the spam bucket and really is spam, VERY
> occasional "not sure" (and you can play with the numbers to decide the %
is
> tagged not sure), and whatever is left in the inbox after spam filtering
and
> my rules is also about 50% spam, though these amount to 1 or 2 a day.
>
> Until someone on the list turned me on to Bayesian filters I wasn't
> convinced, but they really do work.  This C%oc&k crap gets shoveled right
> out as spam.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:14 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if
the
> 1%
> it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent
> losing
> such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If
> that's
> the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my
> inbox
> and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.
>
> A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or
> have a
> new email.
> - *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
> around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.
Use
> either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
> receiving enquiries
> - checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw
away
> address.  I use a yahoo email address for this
>
> Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe
> someone
> can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there
> > ...but hotmail
> > also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its
> > "bulk mail"
> > catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots
> > of spam scams
> > that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as
> > B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> > :(((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 07:48:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:48:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <1630766.20031020083149@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003c01c39708$76423990$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Well, for my part I wanted to reach a large number of people with the
question to see if anyone has an effective blocker for OE.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> Hi Rocky et all
>
> Wonder why this subject doesn't live on our Techno sister list for the
> benefice of those listers not interested that much in Access?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > SO you don't use and spam blocker?
>
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 20 07:55:45 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:55:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed
Message-ID: <001501c39709$7a742e00$6501a8c0@user>

I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some code previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your tables, ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None".
(Sorry - can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be of some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property
  
  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String
  
  Dim strS As String
  
  Set MyDB = CurrentDb
  
  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"
  
  On Error Resume Next
  
  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1
      
      If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

          If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal Then
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
             intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
          End If
 
          If Err.Number = 3270 Then
             Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
             MyProperty.Type = PropType
             MyProperty.Value = propVal
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
          Else
             If Err.Number <> 0 Then
                 MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
                 & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
                 MyDB.Close
                 Exit Function
             End If
          End If
          
      End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From artful at rogers.com  Mon Oct 20 10:58:51 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:58:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
Message-ID: <002701c39723$160cc110$6501a8c0@rock>

Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
designation?

Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?

TIA,
Arthur

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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Mon Oct 20 08:12:59 2003
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:12:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
In-Reply-To: <002701c39723$160cc110$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <000001c3970b$e23b2ff0$0c05a8c0@carlton.local>

Arthur,

Australia has states/territories and they are as follows:

ACT - Australian Capital Territory
NSW - New South Wales
QLD - Queensland
NT - Northern Territory
WA - Western Australia
SA - South Australia
VIC - Victoria
TAS - Tasmania

HTH
Vlad

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 1:59 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders


Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
designation?

Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 20 08:23:00 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:23:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
In-Reply-To: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEGJHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Marcel,

  Before moving to anything else, I'd try and squeeze some more performance
out of what you have.  One of the big things you can do is to keep a
reference to the BE open at all times while the app is open. Some other
things:

0. For Windows servers, make sure OPLOCKS are turned off (see MSKB).
1. Make sure the MDB is not being virus scanned on the sever or client (some
are set to "scan on open").
2. Turn off Name Auto Correct.
3. Turn off sub data sheets.
4. Make sure your MDB is compiled and stays that way (alternatively
distribute the FE as a MDE).
5. Limit forms to a subset of the data.  i.e. limit the recordset to a
single record.  Don't bind forms to an entire table.

  The first few are easy (along with the reference thing mentioned above)
and should yield a healthy boost in performance.  Beyond that, moving to a
true client/server setup to limit data on the network is the way to go.  But
you can get some good results by doing #5 above.

 BTW for JET based solutions, DAO is as fast as you can get.  Moving to ADO
only will actually slow things down.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





"dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
06:32:54

Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
cc:

Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount



John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct 20 08:28:07 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:28:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1>
	<013401c39678$d2d4a8e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <015601c3970d$ffce6030$9111758f@aine>

Hi all

Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
the web with Databases especially Access.

FrontPage
VS .NET
Dreamweaver
Notepad

Etc

Please reply of list


Martin
mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk


From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Mon Oct 20 08:29:09 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:29:09 +0200
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] mdb speed
Message-ID: <OF6679A65F.555E6A3E-ONC1256DC5.0049F84A@achmea.nl>

Kath,

Thanks for your code. I found this one (without the code) and a solution to
keep a recordset permanent open to prevent a lock of the LDB file.

Marcel







"Kath Pelletti" <SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au>@databaseadvisors.com op
20-10-2003 14:55:45

Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com


Aan:  <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
cc:

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] mdb speed


I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some
code previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your
tables, ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None".
(Sorry - can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and
performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be of
some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property

  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String

  Dim strS As String

  Set MyDB = CurrentDb

  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"

  On Error Resume Next

  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1

     If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

        If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal Then
           MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
           intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
        End If

        If Err.Number = 3270 Then
           Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
           MyProperty.Type = PropType
           MyProperty.Value = propVal
           MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
        Else
           If Err.Number <> 0 Then
              MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
              & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
              MyDB.Close
              Exit Function
           End If
        End If

     End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 08:41:12 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:41:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <007101c3970f$d39e5ae0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

This probably doesn't apply to your situation but I turn the toolbars off if
the db is an mde since that's what I distribute.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:25 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


> One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars
AUTOMATICALLY
> when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
> Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
> toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
> done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 08:43:14 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:43:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
References: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <008701c39710$1c2b3350$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Is it possible to use MSDE?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:37 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
> distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
and
> BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
> Expecially on a network envirnement.
> I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
> with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht
function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and
I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move first.
> EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
>
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> aanwezigheid van virussen. Er zijn geen (bekende)
> virussen gevonden.  Active
> *****************************************************************
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 20 08:52:48 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:52:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
In-Reply-To: <200310201323.h9KDNP607883@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031020085015.02663008@pop3.highstream.net>

Marcel,

How big is the FE and BE databases?

How many simultaneous users?

Are the users using a local copy of the FE?

Do your forms limit the number of records displayed?

After getting the answers to these questions, I can
give you better direction.

Robert

At 08:23 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:37:29 +0200
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED at achmea.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Dear group,
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
>took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
>you the following.
>
>I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
>distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
>BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
>Expecially on a network envirnement.
>I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
>with only the data wich is used
>- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
>of module.
>-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
>do not know if i want to do this.
>
>But this all did not improved much.
>
>I am thinking about the following
>- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
>performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
>something
>- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
>form. If I do this does this improve performance
>- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
>the won?t be happy.
>
>
>Any suggestions, ideas??
>I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
>tricks in this.
>
>Thansk marcel



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 20 09:22:04 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:22:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227398@main2.marlow.com>

What kind of recordset are you opening.  I never have a problem with Keyset.
Then again, I rarely care how many records there are, since I am usually
just looping until I reach EOF.  When I'm done, I have a collection I can
just get the count of.

Also, MoveLast may be all you need, moving First again may goof the count,
not sure.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 10/18/03 10:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount

I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.  
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 20 09:50:56 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:50:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <28741268.1066642234653.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <001801c39719$916d93c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

In my startup form the code recognizes that I am designated in the
tblPeopleMain that I am the developer, and it leaves the standard toolbars
on.  For everyone else, I control which toolbars are on and which are off.
This way, it doesn't matter which machine I'm on, I can use the toolbars I
need.

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:25 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?

John W. Colby
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Oct 20 09:53:41 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:53:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB88E@nnse14.nns.com>

Why off list?  I, for one, would be interested in the
responses...particularly if there arises a debate.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey


Hi all

Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
the web with Databases especially Access.

FrontPage
VS .NET
Dreamweaver
Notepad

Etc

Please reply of list


Martin
mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 10:44:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:44:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed
In-Reply-To: <001501c39709$7a742e00$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMECEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I assume this has to be inserted into a module in the BE and run with the BE
open?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed


I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some code
previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your tables,
ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None".
(Sorry - can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and
performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be of
some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property

  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String

  Dim strS As String

  Set MyDB = CurrentDb

  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"

  On Error Resume Next

  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1

      If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

          If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal Then
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
             intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
          End If

          If Err.Number = 3270 Then
             Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
             MyProperty.Type = PropType
             MyProperty.Value = propVal
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
          Else
             If Err.Number <> 0 Then
                 MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
                 & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
                 MyDB.Close
                 Exit Function
             End If
          End If

      End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 10:46:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:46:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off Run Faster
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123A9@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Turn off Name Autocorrect in Tools-->Options-->Advanced.  Turn off
subdatasheets on each table by opening the table in design view and
bringing up its property sheet.  Set Subdatasheets to None.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off Run Faster


What is it you turn off in A2K for better performance? I know one is
when you open a table you can click on the + to show the related info -
where do you turn this off?
 
Is there anything else that will help?
 
Virginia
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 10:47:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:47:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips, tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move first. EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 10:48:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:48:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <001401c39707$96148bc0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECFFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.webattack.com/get/k9.html

For K9, or Google K9 spam

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


So where does one get one of these filters for Outlook Express?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> Yes, I concur John.
>
> I was recently introduced to the new Mozilla Bayesian filter and was
totally
> impressed especially that it actually learns your preferences and
> tolerences, similar to a netural net...it actually learns as it goes from
> your selections and rejections  over time. A friend has been using one for
> over a year now. He has been directing all the spam to a spam directory
just
> in case it filtered some important documents. In the last month or so he
> says it has been doing the filtering with one hundred percent accuracy but
> he said it tooks months before the filter was properly fine-tune.
>
> I will be using the Bayesian spam filter for sure.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> For my money it is still helpful to place the spam in a separate folder
for
> scanning.  It just seems easier to look at a page of messages about loans,
> pills and penis patches and pick out the one good message.  And believe
me,
> Bayesian filters are VERY good at deciding that something is spam.
>
> I use Outlook filters to further classify my email, sorting things into
> folders.  Newsletters, AccessD messages, stuff from friends and relatives
> etc.  Train the Bayesian filter on ONE EACH of these messages and it's
good
> to go.  I guess it decides that the address is good or something, not sure
> really.  So the spam goes into the spam bucket and really is spam, VERY
> occasional "not sure" (and you can play with the numbers to decide the %
is
> tagged not sure), and whatever is left in the inbox after spam filtering
and
> my rules is also about 50% spam, though these amount to 1 or 2 a day.
>
> Until someone on the list turned me on to Bayesian filters I wasn't
> convinced, but they really do work.  This C%oc&k crap gets shoveled right
> out as spam.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:14 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if
the
> 1%
> it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent
> losing
> such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If
> that's
> the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my
> inbox
> and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.
>
> A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or
> have a
> new email.
> - *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
> around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.
Use
> either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
> receiving enquiries
> - checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw
away
> address.  I use a yahoo email address for this
>
> Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe
> someone
> can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there
> > ...but hotmail
> > also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its
> > "bulk mail"
> > catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots
> > of spam scams
> > that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as
> > B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> > :(((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 10:53:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:53:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

But an optional argument can be any datatype, John.  Then instead of
IsMissing, you just check for the default value of the argument, an
empty string or a zero, etc.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


I try and avoid variants as well.  Unfortunately IsMissing requires a
variant.  In this sort of application it appears to me that using a
variant is worthwhile to avoid the issue of "what is a valid 'not used'
value" and will that value be "not used" tomorrow.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Yes ... You can't set variables declared as LONG/INTEGER/STRING etc as
null. Ie
  DIM lngi as LONG
  Lngi = NULL
This won't work ... It will generate an error.  You can only do that
with variants.  I usually try to avoid variants, so would use something
like
this:

STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date = 0) as Date
  Local dteStore as Date
  IF dteStartDate <> 0 Then
    dteStore = dteStartDate
  END IF
  StartDate = dteStore
End FUNCTION

Of course this assumes that 00:00:00 Jan 1 1890 (or whenever the start
value of the date variable is) is not going to be a valid input.

In some circumstances I add initialisation options.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a 
> query
>
>
> Arthur,
>
> The only way I was able to get this working was using an optional 
> VARIANT and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing 
> integer.
>
> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function
>
> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in AfterUpdate of 
> the filter combo and used the function value in the dependent
> combo's query.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a 
> query
>
>
> Thanks for the explication, Stuart!
>
> IMO the coolest thing about statics is that you can eliminate 
> references to forms. In the AfterUpdate event of some control, you 
> call the static function and pass the param. Anywhere else you need 
> it, call the func without a param. I don't like being tied to 
> particular forms being open. I
> want to be able to run a query etc. from the debug window
> anytime I want,
> and to set said static func from the debug window anytime I
> want. Statics
> give me this. That's why I love 'em.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Oh.  That's very cool.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a 
> query
>
>
> > On 5 Sep 2003 at 7:48, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
> >
> > > Must have missed that thread Arthur.  What are static functions?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Functions which retain the value of their variables between calls. 
> > Something like:
> >
> > STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date) as Date 
> > Local dteStore as Date IF NOT ISNULLl(dteStartDate) Then
> >      dteStore = dteStartDate
> > END IF
> > StartDate = dteStore
> > End FUNCTION
> >
> > Every time you call the function with a date parameter, it sets its 
> > value. Every time you call it without a parameter, it returns the 
> > last value set.
> >
> > You can now  you user select a start date on a "pick form"
> somewhere.
> > When they have picked it, set the value of  Startdate() with 
> > something like dteTemp = StartDate(txtStartDate)
> >
> > Now you can use "=StartDate()" in reports, queries, form filters etc

> > anywhere you like. It will return the selected value  until the user

> > goes back to the pick form and changes it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 10:57:54 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:57:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

CurrentProject was introduced in Access 2000.  It will break in Access
97.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security


BTW, I meant to state that this is being developed in A2K.  I am using
ADO connections and CurrentProject.Connection and CodeProject.Connection
syntax, which I'm not sure works in A97.  If they do then this should
work fine in A97.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security


Folks,

I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for beta
testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security system
such as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work
so that you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking
for PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only
system, i.e. it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only
allows the developer to ask questions like "should this user (belonging
to this set of groups) be allowed to open the form, see this control"
etc.  Thus the developer needs to be capable of writing code to query
the classes and apply the answer as (s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later
date, add the ability to have LWS actually set the properties discussed
below which would allow use with less programming but for now that isn't
in place.

LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  The
form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit
record, Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected
are Enabled, Locked, and Visible.

LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  LWS
is designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the
INTERFACE level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a
given form, who can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT
data in a given control on a given form.  These are fundamentally
different issues than the built in DATA security that Access and SQL
Server provide.  I designed LWS because my clients asked for things like
"only allow certain users to be able to see (or use) this control" or
"only allow certain users to be able to open this form" etc.

As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child records
to parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only"
operation and requires either going directly into tables, or building
specific forms if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set
the control Invisible as the form opens unless the user belongs to the
Supervisor (or
Administrator) group.

LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows
NT/2K/XP etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.
Users belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.

There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:

uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5). usystblLWSGroup
contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit that is used for
mapping it's abilities later. usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of
users to groups.  A simple m-m uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, Open,
Edit, Add and Delete maps. MsysControls contains control security
information - Form ID, Control name, Enabled, Locked and Visible maps

There are a handful of forms to support LWS:

usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users. usysfrmLWSGroups - The
form for setting up groups. usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping
groups to users. usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to
groups. usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer
in setting up form security

LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am
using the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and
functioning. The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will
be available within the next week or two.

LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available to
beta
testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    You
should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods and
setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes via
VB etc.

I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...

Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the
finished product, which is more than MS gives you!

I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide
whether you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me
OFF LIST at LWS at colbyconsulting.com.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 20 11:00:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:00:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222739E@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, a few things.  First, ADO is NOT faster then DAO. But the speed
difference probably wouldn't be noticable.  Next, why are you closing all
connections at the end of your procedures.  In reality, if things seem slow,
keeping a constant 'global' conneciton will speed things up, over reopening
the same connection again and again.

Along those lines, if you have bound forms, there is a method to force the
BE link to remain open.  Create a table in the BE, then create a bound form
to that table (linked in the FE).  On the startup of your apps, open that
form hidden, and keep it open.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 11:01:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:01:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AD@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

John,

You just need to run it on the database it applies to.  You could open
the back end in code and run the routine against its tables without
actually putting the code into the BE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] mdb speed


I assume this has to be inserted into a module in the BE and run with
the BE open?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed


I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some
code previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your
tables, ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None". (Sorry -
can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and
performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be
of some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property

  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String

  Dim strS As String

  Set MyDB = CurrentDb

  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"

  On Error Resume Next

  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1

      If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

          If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal
Then
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
             intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
          End If

          If Err.Number = 3270 Then
             Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
             MyProperty.Type = PropType
             MyProperty.Value = propVal
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
          Else
             If Err.Number <> 0 Then
                 MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
                 & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
                 MyDB.Close
                 Exit Function
             End If
          End If

      End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 20 11:03:29 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:03:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222739F@main2.marlow.com>

I think this is applicable to the list, so I'm replying here.

VB 6.0 to do a majority of the dirty work.  It is easy to develop in, and it
actually runs much faster then raw ASP.  As far as the web pages themselves,
it's a toss-up between FP, MS Script Editor (the one that comes with FP
2002), and Notepad.  I use all three quite often.  I find I use the MSSE the
most though, the version that comes with FP 2002 autocompletes HTML tags, so
it's very handy.  I write almost everything in HTML that way, unless I need
to make it 'pretty'.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey


Hi all

Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
the web with Databases especially Access.

FrontPage
VS .NET
Dreamweaver
Notepad

Etc

Please reply of list


Martin
mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Oct 20 11:08:45 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:08:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124B7@NT04.karta.com>


I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
year with no problems.
Recently, I was informed, by the client, that when it's opened in AXP, an
error message occurs and it closes down.
The error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
and then shuts down.
I tested it on a few machines in the office and my box at home. I could not
duplicate the error the client received. The MDE opens as expected on the
machines at the office using AXP. On my computer at home, I got an error
message (I didn't' save the error message) and it shut down.  The MDB file
gets an error message about a missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my
box at home I removed a reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB
worked!

When converted to XP, they work as expected.
The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the references
didn't change.

Why is this happening?  
Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP version
but not the A2K version?

Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was occurring.
I will be converting the database to XP and move on.

TIA
Jim




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 11:16:15 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:16:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECHFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks.  I guess that means A2K and up only.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security


CurrentProject was introduced in Access 2000.  It will break in Access
97.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security


BTW, I meant to state that this is being developed in A2K.  I am using
ADO connections and CurrentProject.Connection and CodeProject.Connection
syntax, which I'm not sure works in A97.  If they do then this should
work fine in A97.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security


Folks,

I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for beta
testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security system
such as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work
so that you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking
for PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only
system, i.e. it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only
allows the developer to ask questions like "should this user (belonging
to this set of groups) be allowed to open the form, see this control"
etc.  Thus the developer needs to be capable of writing code to query
the classes and apply the answer as (s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later
date, add the ability to have LWS actually set the properties discussed
below which would allow use with less programming but for now that isn't
in place.

LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  The
form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit
record, Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected
are Enabled, Locked, and Visible.

LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  LWS
is designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the
INTERFACE level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a
given form, who can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT
data in a given control on a given form.  These are fundamentally
different issues than the built in DATA security that Access and SQL
Server provide.  I designed LWS because my clients asked for things like
"only allow certain users to be able to see (or use) this control" or
"only allow certain users to be able to open this form" etc.

As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child records
to parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only"
operation and requires either going directly into tables, or building
specific forms if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set
the control Invisible as the form opens unless the user belongs to the
Supervisor (or
Administrator) group.

LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows
NT/2K/XP etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.
Users belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.

There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:

uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5). usystblLWSGroup
contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit that is used for
mapping it's abilities later. usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of
users to groups.  A simple m-m uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, Open,
Edit, Add and Delete maps. MsysControls contains control security
information - Form ID, Control name, Enabled, Locked and Visible maps

There are a handful of forms to support LWS:

usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users. usysfrmLWSGroups - The
form for setting up groups. usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping
groups to users. usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to
groups. usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer
in setting up form security

LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am
using the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and
functioning. The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will
be available within the next week or two.

LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available to
beta
testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    You
should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods and
setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes via
VB etc.

I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...

Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the
finished product, which is more than MS gives you!

I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide
whether you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me
OFF LIST at LWS at colbyconsulting.com.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 11:22:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:22:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
In-Reply-To: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124B7@NT04.karta.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECIFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Do you use a library?  I had this issue and had to recompile BOTH the
framework (library) and the FE and install new (recompiled) versions of both
on the XP machines.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:09 PM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions



I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
year with no problems.
Recently, I was informed, by the client, that when it's opened in AXP, an
error message occurs and it closes down.
The error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
and then shuts down.
I tested it on a few machines in the office and my box at home. I could not
duplicate the error the client received. The MDE opens as expected on the
machines at the office using AXP. On my computer at home, I got an error
message (I didn't' save the error message) and it shut down.  The MDB file
gets an error message about a missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my
box at home I removed a reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB
worked!

When converted to XP, they work as expected.
The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the references
didn't change.

Why is this happening?
Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP version
but not the A2K version?

Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was occurring.
I will be converting the database to XP and move on.

TIA
Jim



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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Oct 20 11:24:30 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:24:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124B8@NT04.karta.com>


No library involved.
thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions


Do you use a library?  I had this issue and had to recompile BOTH the
framework (library) and the FE and install new (recompiled) versions of both
on the XP machines.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:09 PM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions



I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
year with no problems.
Recently, I was informed, by the client, that when it's opened in AXP, an
error message occurs and it closes down.
The error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
and then shuts down.
I tested it on a few machines in the office and my box at home. I could not
duplicate the error the client received. The MDE opens as expected on the
machines at the office using AXP. On my computer at home, I got an error
message (I didn't' save the error message) and it shut down.  The MDB file
gets an error message about a missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my
box at home I removed a reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB
worked!

When converted to XP, they work as expected.
The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the references
didn't change.

Why is this happening?
Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP version
but not the A2K version?

Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was occurring.
I will be converting the database to XP and move on.

TIA
Jim



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 11:27:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:27:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Oh, yeah.  If you use an MDE library, you have to upgrade that to match
the front end.  We ran into that with our Redemption libarary when we
moved to XP.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions


Do you use a library?  I had this issue and had to recompile BOTH the
framework (library) and the FE and install new (recompiled) versions of
both on the XP machines.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:09 PM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions



I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
year with no problems. Recently, I was informed, by the client, that
when it's opened in AXP, an error message occurs and it closes down. The
error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
and then shuts down. I tested it on a few machines in the office and my
box at home. I could not duplicate the error the client received. The
MDE opens as expected on the machines at the office using AXP. On my
computer at home, I got an error message (I didn't' save the error
message) and it shut down.  The MDB file gets an error message about a
missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my box at home I removed a
reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB worked!

When converted to XP, they work as expected.
The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the
references didn't change.

Why is this happening?
Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP
version but not the A2K version?

Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was
occurring. I will be converting the database to XP and move on.

TIA
Jim



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From backroad at idir.net  Mon Oct 20 11:45:57 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:45:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity
Message-ID: <00af01c39729$a78d8970$6501a8c0@Julie>

Sorry for the re-posting - my email service has been intermittant over the last couple of days and I have not been receiving all mail.

If you've written me on this project and I haven't responded, please email me again.  I will reply to every message.  Thank you.

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Backroads Data 
  To: AccessD 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:18 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity


  Dear AccessD Listers,

  I have a small project for a non-U.S./non-Canadian Access97 coder.  We are modifying an existing application so that it can be used by customers outside the U.S. and Canada.  App interface will still be in English, but 'international' version will handle various currencies, address / phone formats, and non-U.S. date formatting.

  I'm doing all mods except those required to handle dates properly in SQL.  That is the part being sub-contracted in this project.  The scope of this project involves reviewing all SQL and modifying any that deals with date values, in the manner that has often been discussed on this list:  

  Format(dateValue, "mm\/dd\/yyyy")

  All modifications of this type should then be tested to ensure proper functionality (primary reason I'm requesting someone outside US/Canada to work on this).

  Here are some specs on this app:

  Access97, FE/BE, distributed as Access97 runtime mde using Sagekey scripts.  SQL needs to be reviewed throughout, including saved queries, modules, form/report control sources.  The app contains these objects (though not all deal with dates):
  42 queries
  82 forms
  57 reports
  26 modules

  The development mdb will be ready (meaning all non-SQL-related mods have been completed) for you on or before Oct. 24, and this project needs to be completed by Nov. 14.  Project deliverables include the modified mdb (obviously), and a simple list of objects modified (example of list entries: "qryApptsList", "mdlSchedule.fctNextAppt", etc.)

  If you want additional information about this application, you can find it at www.farriersoftware.com .  You're also welcome to dowload a demo of the app from there (this requires filling out a form first - please put "AccessD" in the comments so we don't think you're a potential customer!)

  Please email me direct at backroad at idir.net if you're interested or have any questions.  Thank you!

  Best Regards,

  Julie Schwalm
  Backroads Data
  www.backroadsdata.com
  785-594-6807


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 20 12:01:41 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:01:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F122WtIIZS2TRq00000152@hotmail.com>

Jim,

How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
>   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord 
>and
>lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>Private Sub Form_Current()
>
>   Dim rst As Recordset
>
>   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
>
>   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
>   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
>     ' Nothing to do
>   Else
>       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
>       rst.Edit
>         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
>       rst.Update
>       Set rst = Nothing
>   End If
>
>   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
>   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
>
>   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
>   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
>
>
>End Sub
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
>ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with the
>control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
>fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this is
>in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
>UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether 
>or
>not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  Any
>thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like 
>the
> >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >John,
> >
> >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would
> >be
> >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a 
>requery
> >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
> >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example 
>using
> >bookmarks.
> >
> >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> >different
> >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row 
>colors.
> >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying
> >of
> >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> >current line number.  In my framework I use
> >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> >replaces the function?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
> >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row 
>that
> >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
> >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> >
> >Any Ideas?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
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From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie  Mon Oct 20 11:57:20 2003
From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:57:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1><013401c39678$d2d4a8e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
	<015601c3970d$ffce6030$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <006d01c3972c$07b407a0$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J>

Hello Martin,

I use Visual InterDev as my db tool, I find it great to generating sp's, I
can comment my sp's nicely

My favourite tool and the one I would never be without is what I call Visual
NotePad ++, which is actually plain ol' notepad,

It parses text, it is quick to load and I can print from it.

For the ASP stuff, I use FrontPage, but I am an ASP novice.

HTH,

Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey


> Hi all
>
> Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
> the web with Databases especially Access.
>
> FrontPage
> VS .NET
> Dreamweaver
> Notepad
>
> Etc
>
> Please reply of list
>
>
> Martin
> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 20 12:08:01 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:08:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web DB Development Tools was OT - Survey
In-Reply-To: <200310201624.h9KGOL619916@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031020120653.026c2ea0@pop3.highstream.net>

Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 and MX
Notepad

At 11:24 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:28 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey
>
>
>Hi all
>
>Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
>the web with Databases especially Access.
>
>FrontPage
>VS .NET
>Dreamweaver
>Notepad



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Oct 20 12:07:24 2003
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:07:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
In-Reply-To: <015601c3970d$ffce6030$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <002601c3972c$a1f50350$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

DreamWeaver UltraDev
VS .Net - Just getting started on this but excited with what I done
sofar.

Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey


Hi all

Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working
on the web with Databases especially Access.

FrontPage
VS .NET
Dreamweaver
Notepad

Etc

Please reply of list


Martin
mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 20 12:12:42 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:12:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Lightweight security
In-Reply-To: <200310201624.h9KGOL619916@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031020121127.026b3cf8@pop3.highstream.net>

John,

Unless you create a connection object called
CurrentConnection and open it when you open
the database.

Robert

At 11:24 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:16:15 -0400
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECHFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Thanks.  I guess that means A2K and up only.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 12:16:53 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:16:53 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298F24@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Arthur,

New Zealand used to have provinces but they have had no legal authority for many years, they are now used mainly to form the basis for parochial arguments on the sporting field and in the pub.

For the future, some of us who transplanted from the North Island to the South Island many years ago do see the benefits of an independent Southern nation.  Watch this space ...<g>

Stephen Bond



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 4:59 a.m.
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
> 
> 
> Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
> designation?
> 
> Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
> alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Oct 20 12:44:14 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:44:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F122WtIIZS2TRq00000152@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c39731$c73e0cb0$7001a8c0@COA3>

I am trying to construct a result set (proto-typing in A2k but want to
have a SQL2000 sp at the end, an answer for either is ok), from a user
form, where the user selects items from a list box.  These items are the
possible "right side" of a many-to-many.  I loop the list box, and
construct an IN clause, which works great to find a left-sider that had
ANY of the children, but my users need the result set to be "who had ALL
of these" (sort of a combined IN and AND).

Tia for any assistance,
Steve

For example, if there are classes in Word, Access, Excel, and the user
picked Access and Excel, which students took both, with tblStudent->
tblStudentClass <-tblClass.  The tblStudentClass record with both id's
just needs to exist, there is other criteria.






From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Oct 20 13:00:49 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:00:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
Message-ID: <183100-220031012018049857@christopherhawkins.com>

This sounds nice - I have built similar setups for multiple clients
in the past, starting fresh each time and never taking the time to
genericize it.  What a knucklehead.

Good to hear you're putting together something that is plug-and-play.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:27:28 -0400

>Folks,
>
>I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for 
>beta
>testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security 
>system such
>as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work 
>so that
>you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking for
>PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only 
>system, i.e.
>it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only allows the 
>developer
>to ask questions like "should this user (belonging to this set of 
>groups) be
>allowed to open the form, see this control" etc.  Thus the developer 
>needs
>to be capable of writing code to query the classes and apply the 
>answer as
>(s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later date, add the ability to have LWS
>actually set the properties discussed below which would allow use 
>with less
>programming but for now that isn't in place.
>
>LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  
>The
>form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit 
>record,
>Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected are 
>Enabled,
>Locked, and Visible.
>
>LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  
>LWS is
>designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the 
>INTERFACE
>level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a given 
>form, who
>can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT data in a given
>control on a given form.  These are fundamentally different issues 
>than the
>built in DATA security that Access and SQL Server provide.  I 
>designed LWS
>because my clients asked for things like "only allow certain users 
>to be
>able to see (or use) this control" or "only allow certain users to 
>be able
>to open this form" etc.
>
>As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child 
>records to
>parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only" 
>operation
>and requires either going directly into tables, or building specific 
>forms
>if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set the control 
>Invisible
>as the form opens unless the user belongs to the Supervisor (or
>Administrator) group.
>
>LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows 
>NT/2K/XP
>etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.  
>Users
>belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.
>
>There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:
>
>uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
>Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5).
>usystblLWSGroup contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit 
>that is
>used for mapping it's abilities later.
>usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of users to groups.  A simple 
>m-m
>uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
>MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, 
>Open,
>Edit, Add and Delete maps.
>MsysControls contains control security information - Form ID, 
>Control name,
>Enabled, Locked and Visible maps
>
>There are a handful of forms to support LWS:
>
>usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
>usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users.
>usysfrmLWSGroups - The form for setting up groups.
>usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping groups to users.
>usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to groups.
>usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer in 
>setting
>up form security
>
>LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am 
>using
>the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and 
>functioning.
>The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will be 
>available
>within the next week or two.
>
>LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available 
>to beta
>testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    
>You
>should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods 
>and
>setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes 
>via VB
>etc.
>
>I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...
>
>Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the 
>finished
>product, which is more than MS gives you!
>
>I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide 
>whether
>you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me OFF 
>LIST at
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 13:10:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:10:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 'splain this thing to me - toolbars
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Something I've never understood - where is the information stored about what
tool bar should be open for what form?  It seems to be a form collection,
i.e. each form can have different toolbars open.  Right click on the menu
bar and you get a list of the available tool bars for that form.  Is this
collection available programmatically?

Next question, what determines whether (for example) the Form View tool bar
is available for a specific form?  IOW, on my switchboard, I can see and
turn on and off the form view menu with the form design tools etc.  From my
data entry forms that isn't available.

It's all very cornfusing to me.  I'd love to be able to add code to my
framework to disable all toolbars (not of my own design) whenever a form
controlled by the framework opens, even if they right click the menu bar
only my authorized tool bars exist.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 20 13:11:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273A1@main2.marlow.com>

Hmmmm, wouldn't a count greater then 1, from the 'students' end indicate
that?  Just going from your example.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children


I am trying to construct a result set (proto-typing in A2k but want to
have a SQL2000 sp at the end, an answer for either is ok), from a user
form, where the user selects items from a list box.  These items are the
possible "right side" of a many-to-many.  I loop the list box, and
construct an IN clause, which works great to find a left-sider that had
ANY of the children, but my users need the result set to be "who had ALL
of these" (sort of a combined IN and AND).

Tia for any assistance,
Steve

For example, if there are classes in Word, Access, Excel, and the user
picked Access and Excel, which students took both, with tblStudent->
tblStudentClass <-tblClass.  The tblStudentClass record with both id's
just needs to exist, there is other criteria.





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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 20 13:15:59 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:15:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F122WtIIZS2TRq00000152@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEHHHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  Since it stores a bookmark, it must be a variant.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Jim,

How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
>   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord
>and
>lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>Private Sub Form_Current()
>
>   Dim rst As Recordset
>
>   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
>
>   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
>   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
>     ' Nothing to do
>   Else
>       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
>       rst.Edit
>         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
>       rst.Update
>       Set rst = Nothing
>   End If
>
>   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
>   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
>
>   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
>   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
>
>
>End Sub
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
>ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with the
>control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
>fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this is
>in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
>UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether
>or
>not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  Any
>thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like
>the
> >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >John,
> >
> >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would
> >be
> >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a
>requery
> >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
> >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example
>using
> >bookmarks.
> >
> >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> >different
> >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row
>colors.
> >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying
> >of
> >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> >current line number.  In my framework I use
> >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> >replaces the function?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
> >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row
>that
> >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
> >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> >
> >Any Ideas?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 13:26:29 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:26:29 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298F24@server.bondsoftware.c o.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021072334.00b1e3b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

To add to what Stephen wrote, NZ just has Address Line1, Address Line2, 
Suburb, City, Post Code.  The post code is (usually) a 4 digit number 
(never more than 4 digits - sometimes less).

Some of us would even be happy if an earthquake cut off the Bombay Hills 
and sent it North to the Pacific Islands :)

David

At 21/10/2003, you wrote:
>Arthur,
>
>New Zealand used to have provinces but they have had no legal authority 
>for many years, they are now used mainly to form the basis for parochial 
>arguments on the sporting field and in the pub.
>
>For the future, some of us who transplanted from the North Island to the 
>South Island many years ago do see the benefits of an independent Southern 
>nation.  Watch this space ...<g>
>
>Stephen Bond
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 4:59 a.m.
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
> >
> >
> > Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
> > designation?
> >
> > Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
> > alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> >
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From cclenright at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 13:32:39 2003
From: cclenright at yahoo.com (Chris Enright)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:32:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
In-Reply-To: <002701c39723$160cc110$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <20031020183239.32092.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

Arthur,
 
Australia has six self-governing states and two mainland territories. It also administers a number of island territories (Ashmore and Cartier Islands, Christmas Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Coral Sea Islands, Norfolk Island) as well as the Australian Antarctic Territory and the subantarctic Territory of Heard Island and McDonald Island. 

States

New South Wales - NSW

Queensland - QLD    (God's answer to Texas )

South Australia - SA

Tasmania - TAS

Victoria - VIC

Western Australia - WA

Territories 

Australian Capital Territory - ACT

Northern Territory - NT    (Home of Crocodile Dundee)



Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
designation?

Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?

TIA,
Arthur

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 13:35:01 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:35:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Lightweight security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123B1@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It's CurrentProject that doesn't exist in Access 97 and you can't create
a substitute for that or for AccessObject, which also didn't exist in
that version.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Stewart [mailto:rl_stewart at highstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Lightweight security


John,

Unless you create a connection object called
CurrentConnection and open it when you open
the database.

Robert

At 11:24 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:16:15 -0400
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECHFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Thanks.  I guess that means A2K and up only.
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Oct 20 13:47:34 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:47:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273A1@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3973a$a04b1b80$7001a8c0@COA3>

Thanks, yeah, I got it ...
I had to group by/having count = <number of items selected in the list
box>.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children


Hmmmm, wouldn't a count greater then 1, from the 'students' end indicate
that?  Just going from your example.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children


I am trying to construct a result set (proto-typing in A2k but want to
have a SQL2000 sp at the end, an answer for either is ok), from a user
form, where the user selects items from a list box.  These items are the
possible "right side" of a many-to-many.  I loop the list box, and
construct an IN clause, which works great to find a left-sider that had
ANY of the children, but my users need the result set to be "who had ALL
of these" (sort of a combined IN and AND).

Tia for any assistance,
Steve

For example, if there are classes in Word, Access, Excel, and the user
picked Access and Excel, which students took both, with tblStudent->
tblStudentClass <-tblClass.  The tblStudentClass record with both id's
just needs to exist, there is other criteria.





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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 14:07:12 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:07:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
In-Reply-To: <183100-220031012018049857@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEDCFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Good to hear you're putting together something that is plug-and-play.

Not exactly plug and play as of yet.  There are a handful of tables and
forms required, as well as a library.  Once all that stuff is in place it
will still require the developer understanding and using code to enable /
disable forms opening / edit / delete etc, and if desired at that level, the
same for controls on forms.  Or at the least understanding that LWS is
manipulating specific properties of forms and controls so that they
understand why a form's records can't be edited or can't be deleted etc. for
some users but not for others.

It really does work though.  I have code working that will allow / disallow
opening the database itself (modal login form), opening specific forms based
on user / group membership (LWSForm class), viewing controls on specific
forms based on user / group membership )LWSControl Class) etc.

In actual fact while it does require a class for each object modeled (user /
group / form / control) each class "knows" how to set itself up, apply it's
security  to it's object etc.  Doing it as a set of classes using tables to
hold the security info made it waaaay more straightforward than my old
method.

The nice thing is that once the "physicalness" of it is set up, i.e. the
user / group records created, the form's properties assigned to groups,
control's properties assigned to groups etc. it can be blended into a
framework such as mine with a minimum of effort.  A call as my framework
initializes loads the LWS system.  My form class has code that instantiates
a LWSForm class (if a SysVar says we are using LWS).  That class
instantiates all the LWScontrol classes, and voila, security down to the
control level - virtually with a single call in my framework's form class.

Since the LWSForm class is passed a pointer to the physical form, it can
directly manipulate the properties that it controls (edit/delete/addrec etc)
so that the form security is virtually automatic.  The only issue here is if
you use a toolbar (as I do) to toggle edit mode, it will have to check with
the LWSForm class to determine whether it can allow editing.

Likewise each control class gets a pointer to the control it is applying
security to, so it can also directly apply security to its control -
visible, locked, enabled.  This really is a no brainer, it just happens
according to the info in the LWS Control table.  If you belong to the right
group, you can see / edit / enter the control, else you can't.

At the FE / physical level, security is then manipulated using a wizard to
view / change the form / control security information in the tables.  BTW,
the wizard is NOT functioning yet in the new LWS.  I had that working in the
old LWS but the physical layer is entirely different and I will have to
build a new wizard for this version.  I have manually tested this stuff
though using crude debug window ORs to set the group info for forms and some
controls and it is working.

And the nice part is that if you embed this in a framework, even the most
determined power user is going to have a hard time disabling this stuff
without completely breaking the application.  Having it launched down at
this level makes it virtually impossible to get around.

For those without a framework it is still as simple as the following code in
a form:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
private fclsLWSForm As clsLWSForm

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    Set fclsLWSForm = New clsLWSForm
    fclsLWSForm.Init Nothing, Me
    Cancel = Not
fclsLWSForm.FrmOpenEnabled(gclsLWS.UserCls.UserGrpMembership)
    If Cancel Then
        If gclsLWS.cSysVars.SysVar("gLWSInformUser") Then
            MsgBox gclsLWS.cSysVars.SysVar("gLWSInformUserMsg") & " : " &
Me.Name, vbInformation + vbOKOnly, "LWS SECURITY AUTHORIZATION DENIED"
        End If
        Exit Sub
    End If
End Sub

The problem with just doing it here is that the How and Why (and that it is
happening) is visible right in the form, making it trivial for even basic
programmers to disable.  Put the same thing out in a framework MDA and the
cost to find and disable it goes up enormously.  Compile the framework and
it is locked down.

As you can see though, in the end it will still require programming skills
to use.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security


This sounds nice - I have built similar setups for multiple clients
in the past, starting fresh each time and never taking the time to
genericize it.  What a knucklehead.

Good to hear you're putting together something that is plug-and-play.

-Christopher-



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon Oct 20 14:21:54 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:21:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 'splain this thing to me - toolbars
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c3973f$6d103b60$6401a8c0@default>

John,

I guess you already know that you associate a
particular menu or toolbar with a form or report
by using the object's property sheet so that OnOpen
it will get the bar.

However, all of the bars are available in Commandbars,
which is how you access them programmatically.

The CommandBar itself stores it's binary information
in the registry under the following key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\
Office\9.0\Access\Settings\CommandBars

Some of the information you are seeking can
be found on the StartUp menu, which is accessed
using Application.GetOption / SetOption.

Michael R. Mattys
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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: [AccessD] 'splain this thing to me - toolbars


> Something I've never understood - where is the information stored about
what
> tool bar should be open for what form?  It seems to be a form collection,
> i.e. each form can have different toolbars open.  Right click on the menu
> bar and you get a list of the available tool bars for that form.  Is this
> collection available programmatically?
>
> Next question, what determines whether (for example) the Form View tool
bar
> is available for a specific form?  IOW, on my switchboard, I can see and
> turn on and off the form view menu with the form design tools etc.  From
my
> data entry forms that isn't available.
>
> It's all very cornfusing to me.  I'd love to be able to add code to my
> framework to disable all toolbars (not of my own design) whenever a form
> controlled by the framework opens, even if they right click the menu bar
> only my authorized tool bars exist.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 20 15:02:35 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:02:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F943F5B.5040903@shaw.ca>

It could be a difference in references, Win XP comes with MDAC 2.7 ( ADO 
2.7)
I believe Access 2000 points to ADO 2.5  as default .
You can have a machine with multiple versions of MDAC installed for 
example if you install Access 2000 and Access XP, you will have ADO 2.5 
and ADO 2.7 installed so you are okay Your client with WinXP may not 
have ADO 2.5 installed and poof (that's a technical term).
I have about 5 versions of ADO to chose from on my machine including 2.8.

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>Oh, yeah.  If you use an MDE library, you have to upgrade that to match
>the front end.  We ran into that with our Redemption libarary when we
>moved to XP.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
>
>
>Do you use a library?  I had this issue and had to recompile BOTH the
>framework (library) and the FE and install new (recompiled) versions of
>both on the XP machines.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:09 PM
>To: AccessD (E-mail)
>Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
>
>
>
>I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
>year with no problems. Recently, I was informed, by the client, that
>when it's opened in AXP, an error message occurs and it closes down. The
>error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
>and then shuts down. I tested it on a few machines in the office and my
>box at home. I could not duplicate the error the client received. The
>MDE opens as expected on the machines at the office using AXP. On my
>computer at home, I got an error message (I didn't' save the error
>message) and it shut down.  The MDB file gets an error message about a
>missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my box at home I removed a
>reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB worked!
>
>When converted to XP, they work as expected.
>The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
>There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the
>references didn't change.
>
>Why is this happening?
>Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP
>version but not the A2K version?
>
>Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was
>occurring. I will be converting the database to XP and move on.
>
>TIA
>Jim
>
>
>
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>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 20 15:05:52 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:05:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
References: <002601c3972c$a1f50350$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <3F944020.5000302@shaw.ca>

NotePad for ASP, maybe XMLSPY if using a lot of XML
WebMatrix with ASP.Net for Access

Doug Murphy wrote:

>DreamWeaver UltraDev
>VS .Net - Just getting started on this but excited with what I done
>sofar.
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:28 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey
>
>
>Hi all
>
>Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working
>on the web with Databases especially Access.
>
>FrontPage
>VS .NET
>Dreamweaver
>Notepad
>
>Etc
>
>Please reply of list
>
>
>Martin
>mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
>
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>

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Canada




From jonsulli at swbell.net  Mon Oct 20 15:42:27 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:42:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F9448B2.3080708@swbell.net>

John and List,

Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.

In a previous position managing support personnel and as default 
application developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden" 
buttons on a form deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events 
called code that would set or unset properties as needed.

Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app 
compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in 
the foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on 
a user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was 
closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the 
way out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the 
conditions for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back 
in.  Not elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling 
questionable "requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords 
and disallowing the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires 
the developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the 
changes don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One 
could make the "Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not 
allowed to take that tactic.

I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of  
the stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add 
error handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this 
will give a demo of programatticly setting options using the 
Database.Properties method. This was a few years back but I remember  we 
used this in apps of both A97 and A2K.  I also remember having to add 
code to save the user's preferences before making changes and resetting 
those when closing the app for our Access "power" users (the ones who 
most frequently caused problems). 

Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy 
for it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it 
and make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint, 
hint).

John Sullivan

John Colby wrote:

>One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
>when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
>Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
>toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
>done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>


From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 20 16:02:02 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:02:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
Message-ID: <Sea2-F10T2maXnorDNi0002edd6@hotmail.com>

How about a subquery returning the left hand items for each of the list 
items in the list (5 items, 5 subqueries), all subqueries equal joined on 
the left hand column.  It would be easiest to generate a sql statement in 
code, looping through the items selected collection, adding a subquery for 
each item in the list.

Hen


>From: "Developer" <Developer at ultradnt.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:44:14 -0400
>
>I am trying to construct a result set (proto-typing in A2k but want to
>have a SQL2000 sp at the end, an answer for either is ok), from a user
>form, where the user selects items from a list box.  These items are the
>possible "right side" of a many-to-many.  I loop the list box, and
>construct an IN clause, which works great to find a left-sider that had
>ANY of the children, but my users need the result set to be "who had ALL
>of these" (sort of a combined IN and AND).
>
>Tia for any assistance,
>Steve
>
>For example, if there are classes in Word, Access, Excel, and the user
>picked Access and Excel, which students took both, with tblStudent->
>tblStudentClass <-tblClass.  The tblStudentClass record with both id's
>just needs to exist, there is other criteria.
>
>
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 20 16:02:28 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:02:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <3F9448B2.3080708@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEBKEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

I've done a similar thing with 2 transparent command buttons shrunk down to
very small and placed in the common form that I use for system information,
version, settings, contact info, etc. I put a small control tip so I know
when I'm over the spot and use the double click event to fire it.

They are basically a GUI backdoor which opens up or locks down access as
much as possible.

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
>
>
> John and List,
>
> Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.
>
> In a previous position managing support personnel and as default
> application developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden"
> buttons on a form deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events
> called code that would set or unset properties as needed.
>
> Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
> compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in
> the foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on
> a user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
> closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the
> way out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the
> conditions for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back
> in.  Not elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling
> questionable "requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords
> and disallowing the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires
> the developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the
> changes don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One
> could make the "Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not
> allowed to take that tactic.
>
> I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of
> the stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add
> error handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this
> will give a demo of programatticly setting options using the
> Database.Properties method. This was a few years back but I remember  we
> used this in apps of both A97 and A2K.  I also remember having to add
> code to save the user's preferences before making changes and resetting
> those when closing the app for our Access "power" users (the ones who
> most frequently caused problems).
>
> Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy
> for it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it
> and make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint,
> hint).
>
> John Sullivan
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars
> AUTOMATICALLY
> >when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
> >Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
> >toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
> >done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 16:50:54 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:50:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] bar codes
Message-ID: <004101c39755$026bcf20$220110ac@SUSANONE>

http://www.asp101.com/resources/visitors/index.asp#barcode

=======Seems like this subject comes up once every few months -- hope
someone finds this helpful.

Susan H.


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 19:12:55 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:12:55 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <000d01c38230$9c9e7fa0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGIEILCMAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021131008.00b1b0b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
>David/Steve
>
>  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as they're PnP 
> compliant ...its
>best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll drive you nuts trying
>to tweak reports to match every printer variable.

Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  Is this likely to 
be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for 
'newish' printers?


Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 19:39:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:39:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting site
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDPFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.processimpact.com/goodies.shtml

It has a few document templates that may be applicable.  A lot of this seems
to be aimed at large contract stuff but it never hurts to read it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 19:56:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:56:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <3F9448B2.3080708@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

John,

I wrote a tool called C2DbProperties which allows a developer to perform
this task externally, i.e. it is a wizard that you open which allows you to
find a db on the disk and apply these properties on that db.

This is not what I am talking about however.  I am referring to the toolbars
that you can see at the top of forms, such as the Form view, clip board, web
etc., if you right click on the menu bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John and List,

Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.

In a previous position managing support personnel and as default
application developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden"
buttons on a form deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events
called code that would set or unset properties as needed.

Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in
the foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on
a user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the
way out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the
conditions for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back
in.  Not elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling
questionable "requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords
and disallowing the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires
the developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the
changes don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One
could make the "Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not
allowed to take that tactic.

I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of
the stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add
error handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this
will give a demo of programatticly setting options using the
Database.Properties method. This was a few years back but I remember  we
used this in apps of both A97 and A2K.  I also remember having to add
code to save the user's preferences before making changes and resetting
those when closing the app for our Access "power" users (the ones who
most frequently caused problems).

Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy
for it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it
and make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint,
hint).

John Sullivan

John Colby wrote:

>One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
>when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
>Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
>toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
>done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 20:11:21 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:11:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGIEILCMAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031021131008.00b1b0b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <012901c39770$3d2f7ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
...Plug 'n Play :))))

...the point being that you were concerned that the users not have to do
anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically without them
having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer from the major
manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be safe with any
major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project


> At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> >David/Steve
> >
> >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as they're PnP
> > compliant ...its
> >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll drive you nuts
trying
> >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
>
> Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  Is this likely
to
> be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> 'newish' printers?
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> DALYN Software Ltd
> 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon Oct 20 20:33:49 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:33:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <012101c39773$613c4980$6401a8c0@default>

John,

How is it going with this?

Did you click customize and show the
toolbar called Shortcut Menus?

See the one called "Custom" where you
add your own context menus?

Did you try Commandbars("Menu Bar").Enabled = False?

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


> John,
>
> I wrote a tool called C2DbProperties which allows a developer to perform
> this task externally, i.e. it is a wizard that you open which allows you
to
> find a db on the disk and apply these properties on that db.
>
> This is not what I am talking about however.  I am referring to the
toolbars
> that you can see at the top of forms, such as the Form view, clip board,
web
> etc., if you right click on the menu bar.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
>
>
> John and List,
>
> Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.
>
> In a previous position managing support personnel and as default
> application developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden"
> buttons on a form deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events
> called code that would set or unset properties as needed.
>
> Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
> compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in
> the foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on
> a user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
> closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the
> way out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the
> conditions for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back
> in.  Not elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling
> questionable "requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords
> and disallowing the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires
> the developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the
> changes don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One
> could make the "Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not
> allowed to take that tactic.
>
> I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of
> the stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add
> error handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this
> will give a demo of programatticly setting options using the
> Database.Properties method. This was a few years back but I remember  we
> used this in apps of both A97 and A2K.  I also remember having to add
> code to save the user's preferences before making changes and resetting
> those when closing the app for our Access "power" users (the ones who
> most frequently caused problems).
>
> Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy
> for it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it
> and make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint,
> hint).
>
> John Sullivan
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars
AUTOMATICALLY
> >when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
> >Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
> >toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
> >done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 20:45:38 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:45:38 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <012901c39770$3d2f7ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGIEILCMAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20031021131008.00b1b0b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021144237.00b1b550@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Not sure if I should be offended or not - New Zealand happens to share the 
same waters as the Aussies but we are a different country!

The users would already have their own printers so at least this will not 
be an issue!  (It was a bit tongue in cheek about users abilities but I 
think we all know what I mean).

David


At 20/10/2003, you wrote:
>...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
>...Plug 'n Play :))))
>
>...the point being that you were concerned that the users not have to do
>anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
>printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically without them
>having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer from the major
>manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be safe with any
>major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
>
>William Hindman
>So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
>his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
>to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
>make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
>-- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
>
>
> > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > >David/Steve
> > >
> > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as they're PnP
> > > compliant ...its
> > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll drive you nuts
>trying
> > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> >
> > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  Is this likely
>to
> > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> > 'newish' printers?
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > DALYN Software Ltd
> > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 20:47:10 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:47:10 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <012901c39770$3d2f7ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <004c01c39775$3f5ec890$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>



> -----Original Message-----
> ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> ...Plug 'n Play :))))
>
> ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> have to do
> anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> without them
> having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> from the major
> manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> safe with any
> major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)

If only....

If it is a one printer to 1 pc deal then yes it should be straight forward...
But generally manufacturers like to tweak their drivers and release new models
which windows doesn't recognise, etc.  So if they buy a new printer and plug it
into their PC they are likely to get a message stating that windows has found a
new device and needs to install drivers.  In my experience the average
non-technical user then stares blankly at the screen wondering what to do next.

If it is a small office and the printer is shared, then you need to worry about
it is peer-to-peer or domain, has it been shared/configured for network use.  On
win2k and up PCs are nicer in that they will share drivers, so if it is
successfully installed on 1 PC you can add the printer on to another PC and it
will grab the drivers from the first PC.  But even then, the average user (in my
experience) will need help mapping the printer onto a new PC.

Plug and play ... Hah!

Stuart




From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 20:17:40 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:17:40 +1300
Subject: OT: [AccessD] Web based Project
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Yo, William, treading on dangerous ground there, bro'.  David might be a North Islander but to call a NZer an 'Aussie' ... the unkindest cut of all!  (This ought to start something <g> ...  like a trans-Tasman war <vbg>)

Stephen Bond


> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:11 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> 
> 
> ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> 
> ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not 
> have to do
> anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically 
> without them
> having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer 
> from the major
> manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be 
> safe with any
> major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> 
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless 
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to 
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision 
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> 
> 
> > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > >David/Steve
> > >
> > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as 
> they're PnP
> > > compliant ...its
> > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll 
> drive you nuts
> trying
> > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> >
> > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  
> Is this likely
> to
> > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> > 'newish' printers?
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > DALYN Software Ltd
> > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Oct 20 20:51:42 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:21:42 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A45A@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Thank god we produce the best musicians in Australia..   Crowded House, etc,
etc,

;=)

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: OT: [AccessD] Web based Project


Yo, William, treading on dangerous ground there, bro'.  David might be a
North Islander but to call a NZer an 'Aussie' ... the unkindest cut of all!
(This ought to start something <g> ...  like a trans-Tasman war <vbg>)

Stephen Bond


> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:11 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> 
> 
> ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> 
> ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not 
> have to do
> anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically 
> without them
> having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer 
> from the major
> manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be 
> safe with any
> major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> 
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless 
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to 
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision 
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> 
> 
> > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > >David/Steve
> > >
> > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as 
> they're PnP
> > > compliant ...its
> > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll 
> drive you nuts
> trying
> > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> >
> > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  
> Is this likely
> to
> > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> > 'newish' printers?
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > DALYN Software Ltd
> > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 20:58:23 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:58:23 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <004e01c39776$d027cbf0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Reminds me heavily of the Canadian/US thing...

How to insult a Canadian ... Call him an American

How to insult a Kiwi ... Call him an Aussie

Quite easy to make the mistake here in an international city like Hong Kong at
first.  After a while you either don't care (which some don't) or are a little
more careful what you say :)

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stephen Bond
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 9:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: OT: [AccessD] Web based Project
>
>
> Yo, William, treading on dangerous ground there, bro'.  David
> might be a North Islander but to call a NZer an 'Aussie' ...
> the unkindest cut of all!  (This ought to start something <g>
> ...  like a trans-Tasman war <vbg>)
>
> Stephen Bond
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:11 p.m.
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented
> Microsoftese! ...PnP
> > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> >
> > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> > have to do
> > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as
> long as the
> > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> > without them
> > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> > from the major
> > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> > safe with any
> > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > > >David/Steve
> > > >
> > > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as
> > they're PnP
> > > > compliant ...its
> > > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll
> > drive you nuts
> > trying
> > > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> > >
> > > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.
> > Is this likely
> > to
> > > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a
> problem for
> > > 'newish' printers?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > DALYN Software Ltd
> > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 21:17:25 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:17:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <004c01c39775$3f5ec890$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <014701c39779$7820d340$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...got to admit that I'm thinking of XP here Stu which plays PnP very, very
nicely ...certainly can't say the same of Win9X or NT systems :(

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project


>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> >
> > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> > have to do
> > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> > without them
> > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> > from the major
> > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> > safe with any
> > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
>
> If only....
>
> If it is a one printer to 1 pc deal then yes it should be straight
forward...
> But generally manufacturers like to tweak their drivers and release new
models
> which windows doesn't recognise, etc.  So if they buy a new printer and
plug it
> into their PC they are likely to get a message stating that windows has
found a
> new device and needs to install drivers.  In my experience the average
> non-technical user then stares blankly at the screen wondering what to do
next.
>
> If it is a small office and the printer is shared, then you need to worry
about
> it is peer-to-peer or domain, has it been shared/configured for network
use.  On
> win2k and up PCs are nicer in that they will share drivers, so if it is
> successfully installed on 1 PC you can add the printer on to another PC
and it
> will grab the drivers from the first PC.  But even then, the average user
(in my
> experience) will need help mapping the printer onto a new PC.
>
> Plug and play ... Hah!
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 21:26:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:26:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGIEILCMAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031021131008.00b1b0b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031021144237.00b1b550@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <015901c3977a$c49f3bc0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...my mistake! ...I do seem to recall you kiwis being a mite touchy
on the subject the little time I spent in Christchurch :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project


> Not sure if I should be offended or not - New Zealand happens to share the
> same waters as the Aussies but we are a different country!
>
> The users would already have their own printers so at least this will not
> be an issue!  (It was a bit tongue in cheek about users abilities but I
> think we all know what I mean).
>
> David
>
>
> At 20/10/2003, you wrote:
> >...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> >...Plug 'n Play :))))
> >
> >...the point being that you were concerned that the users not have to do
> >anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> >printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically without them
> >having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer from the major
> >manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be safe with any
> >major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> >
> >William Hindman
> >So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
birth,
> >his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to
work,
> >to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
to
> >make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> >-- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > > >David/Steve
> > > >
> > > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as they're PnP
> > > > compliant ...its
> > > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll drive you nuts
> >trying
> > > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> > >
> > > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  Is this
likely
> >to
> > > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> > > 'newish' printers?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > DALYN Software Ltd
> > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 20 21:36:54 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:36:54 +1000
Subject: OT [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001f01c3977c$311c4120$6501a8c0@user>

Stephen - I thought it was a compliment! (vbg)
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stephen Bond 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:17 AM
  Subject: OT: [AccessD] Web based Project


  Yo, William, treading on dangerous ground there, bro'.  David might be a North Islander but to call a NZer an 'Aussie' ... the unkindest cut of all!  (This ought to start something <g> ...  like a trans-Tasman war <vbg>)

  Stephen Bond


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
  > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:11 p.m.
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
  > 
  > 
  > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
  > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
  > 
  > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not 
  > have to do
  > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
  > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically 
  > without them
  > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer 
  > from the major
  > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be 
  > safe with any
  > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
  > 
  > William Hindman
  > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless 
  > of his birth,
  > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to 
  > live, to work,
  > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision 
  > can combine to
  > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
  > -- Thomas Wolfe
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
  > 
  > 
  > > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
  > > >David/Steve
  > > >
  > > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as 
  > they're PnP
  > > > compliant ...its
  > > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll 
  > drive you nuts
  > trying
  > > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
  > >
  > > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  
  > Is this likely
  > to
  > > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
  > > 'newish' printers?
  > >
  > >
  > > Regards
  > >
  > > David Emerson
  > > DALYN Software Ltd
  > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
  > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
  > >
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  > > AccessD mailing list
  > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
  > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
  > >
  > 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 22:07:32 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:07:32 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <014701c39779$7820d340$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <005001c39780$78922e80$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Yes it is much nicer... I've still had the odd issue when people try to hook up
old printers, not sure about the very latest printers ...  still might require
user intervention.

Not sure what is common elsewhere, but here small businesses often hook up
budget equipment... ie stuff from Taiwain or China that doesn't come with
drivers prebuilt into windows.  Hunting for the latest drivers off chinese
websites isn't the most fun thing I've ever done.

Stuart


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
>
>
> ...got to admit that I'm thinking of XP here Stu which plays
> PnP very, very
> nicely ...certainly can't say the same of Win9X or NT systems :(
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project
>
>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented
> Microsoftese! ...PnP
> > > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> > >
> > > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> > > have to do
> > > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as
> long as the
> > > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> > > without them
> > > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> > > from the major
> > > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> > > safe with any
> > > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> >
> > If only....
> >
> > If it is a one printer to 1 pc deal then yes it should be straight
> forward...
> > But generally manufacturers like to tweak their drivers and
> release new
> models
> > which windows doesn't recognise, etc.  So if they buy a new
> printer and
> plug it
> > into their PC they are likely to get a message stating that
> windows has
> found a
> > new device and needs to install drivers.  In my experience
> the average
> > non-technical user then stares blankly at the screen
> wondering what to do
> next.
> >
> > If it is a small office and the printer is shared, then you
> need to worry
> about
> > it is peer-to-peer or domain, has it been shared/configured
> for network
> use.  On
> > win2k and up PCs are nicer in that they will share drivers,
> so if it is
> > successfully installed on 1 PC you can add the printer on
> to another PC
> and it
> > will grab the drivers from the first PC.  But even then,
> the average user
> (in my
> > experience) will need help mapping the printer onto a new PC.
> >
> > Plug and play ... Hah!
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 20 22:09:17 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:09:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <004e01c39776$d027cbf0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3F952FFD.27187.13B00F@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 9:58, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> Reminds me heavily of the Canadian/US thing...
> 
> How to insult a Canadian ... Call him an American
> 
> How to insult a Kiwi ... Call him an Aussie
> 

Or the classic saying.

I support two teams, New Zealand and whoever is playing against 
Australia :-)

Stuart
(Kiwi in exile)



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 22:26:38 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:26:38 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
In-Reply-To: <005001c39780$78922e80$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuVkhn4A@pacific.net.hk>


Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import into a clean database.

I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull everything out of except
the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for system tools, link
checking etc.  

Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.

Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.

Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB

Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported everything out of the
14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile. Compact. 1.1 MB

14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB

This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on their cleaning utils.

Stuart

From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 22:42:08 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:42:08 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <3F952FFD.27187.13B00F@localhost>
References: <004e01c39776$d027cbf0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
 <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021164029.00b1b0e8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

And to round this off for tonight -

Send a New Zealander to Australia and increase the average IQ in both 
countries.

At 21/10/2003, Stuart McLachlan  wrote:

>Or the classic saying.
>
>I support two teams, New Zealand and whoever is playing against
>Australia :-)
>
>Stuart
>(Kiwi in exile)

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 22:41:55 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:41:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <005001c39780$78922e80$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <017901c39785$45e7a780$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

....on XP things like HP lasers and desk jets just install with a quick
message flash that requires no intervention and most users don't even notice
...you can plug one in live and it will pick it up and install the drivers
without a reboot in most cases ...MS finally got PnP figured out after about
three time around the block :)

...that of course assumes that the manufacturer paid attention to the MS PnP
and Printer API specs ...which in your part of the world can be assuming a
lot :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project


> Yes it is much nicer... I've still had the odd issue when people try to
hook up
> old printers, not sure about the very latest printers ...  still might
require
> user intervention.
>
> Not sure what is common elsewhere, but here small businesses often hook up
> budget equipment... ie stuff from Taiwain or China that doesn't come with
> drivers prebuilt into windows.  Hunting for the latest drivers off chinese
> websites isn't the most fun thing I've ever done.
>
> Stuart
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 10:17 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > ...got to admit that I'm thinking of XP here Stu which plays
> > PnP very, very
> > nicely ...certainly can't say the same of Win9X or NT systems :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:47 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented
> > Microsoftese! ...PnP
> > > > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> > > >
> > > > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> > > > have to do
> > > > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as
> > long as the
> > > > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> > > > without them
> > > > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> > > > from the major
> > > > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> > > > safe with any
> > > > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> > >
> > > If only....
> > >
> > > If it is a one printer to 1 pc deal then yes it should be straight
> > forward...
> > > But generally manufacturers like to tweak their drivers and
> > release new
> > models
> > > which windows doesn't recognise, etc.  So if they buy a new
> > printer and
> > plug it
> > > into their PC they are likely to get a message stating that
> > windows has
> > found a
> > > new device and needs to install drivers.  In my experience
> > the average
> > > non-technical user then stares blankly at the screen
> > wondering what to do
> > next.
> > >
> > > If it is a small office and the printer is shared, then you
> > need to worry
> > about
> > > it is peer-to-peer or domain, has it been shared/configured
> > for network
> > use.  On
> > > win2k and up PCs are nicer in that they will share drivers,
> > so if it is
> > > successfully installed on 1 PC you can add the printer on
> > to another PC
> > and it
> > > will grab the drivers from the first PC.  But even then,
> > the average user
> > (in my
> > > experience) will need help mapping the printer onto a new PC.
> > >
> > > Plug and play ... Hah!
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 22:47:18 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:47:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
References: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuVkhn4A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <018b01c39786$066cc7b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

KB 810415

...there is a long standing bug in AXP that compile fails to get rid of
bloat if you use the A2002 file format ...MS hasn't fixed it in their
service packs even though they have a KB on it and importing into a new mdb,
although a pita, is the only way to get rid of the bloat ...OR change to
using the A2000 file format which does not have the bloat problem ...HTH :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:26 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile


>
> Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import into a clean
database.
>
> I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull everything out of
except
> the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for system tools,
link
> checking etc.
>
> Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.
>
> Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.
>
> Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB
>
> Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported everything out
of the
> 14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile. Compact. 1.1 MB
>
> 14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB
>
> This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on their cleaning
utils.
>
> Stuart
>


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 20 22:56:58 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:56:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <4871529.1066698255670.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000601c39787$635c0520$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

This some of the code from my Startup form.  Is this something like what
you're looking for?

    If AdminPerson = False Then
        '-- Setting for users
        SetOption "Show Hidden Objects", False
        SetOption "Show System Objects", False
        DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
	  SetOption "Show Status Bar", True
    Else
        '-- Settings for Admin people
        CurrentDb.Properties!AppTitle = "QMS - " & GstgCompanyName
        Application.RefreshTitleBar
        SetOption "Show Hidden Objects", True
        SetOption "Show System Objects", True
        DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes
        SetOption "Show Status Bar", False
    End If

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John,

I wrote a tool called C2DbProperties which allows a developer to perform
this task externally, i.e. it is a wizard that you open which allows you to
find a db on the disk and apply these properties on that db.

This is not what I am talking about however.  I am referring to the toolbars
that you can see at the top of forms, such as the Form view, clip board, web
etc., if you right click on the menu bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John and List,

Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.

In a previous position managing support personnel and as default application
developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden" buttons on a form
deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events called code that
would set or unset properties as needed.

Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in the
foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on a
user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the way
out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the conditions
for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back in.  Not
elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling questionable
"requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords and disallowing
the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires the
developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the changes
don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One could make the
"Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not allowed to take that
tactic.

I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of the
stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add error
handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this will give a
demo of programatticly setting options using the Database.Properties method.
This was a few years back but I remember  we used this in apps of both A97
and A2K.  I also remember having to add code to save the user's preferences
before making changes and resetting those when closing the app for our
Access "power" users (the ones who most frequently caused problems).

Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy for
it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it and
make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint, hint).

John Sullivan

John Colby wrote:

>One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars 
>AUTOMATICALLY when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could 
>use my
>Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
>toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
>done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 20 22:56:58 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:56:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
In-Reply-To: <30629614.1066707087645.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000701c39787$66877b80$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Stuart,

There is a bug in AXP that prevents decompiling unless you have the Database
File Format set to A2K.  This could have been your issue.

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile



Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import into a clean
database.

I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull everything out of
except the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for system
tools, link checking etc.  

Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.

Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.

Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB

Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported everything out of
the 14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile. Compact. 1.1 MB

14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB

This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on their cleaning
utils.

Stuart



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 23:16:23 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:16:23 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
In-Reply-To: <018b01c39786$066cc7b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <005f01c3978a$173d24f0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Yeah this seems to be the issue.

For the most part my dbs are in Acc2000 format.  Except this one and it isn't
small, so it never really hit me until I tried cutting out 95% of it and
compacting.

I've had issues with AXP crashing on couple of forms that A2K doesn't blink at,
and haven't figured why ... Nor looked that hard when staying in A2K format
fixed it.  Might also be related if AXP is leaving so much crap behind.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 11:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
>
>
> KB 810415
>
> ...there is a long standing bug in AXP that compile fails to
> get rid of
> bloat if you use the A2002 file format ...MS hasn't fixed it in their
> service packs even though they have a KB on it and importing
> into a new mdb,
> although a pita, is the only way to get rid of the bloat
> ...OR change to
> using the A2000 file format which does not have the bloat
> problem ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:26 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
>
>
> >
> > Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import
> into a clean
> database.
> >
> > I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull
> everything out of
> except
> > the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for
> system tools,
> link
> > checking etc.
> >
> > Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.
> >
> > Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.
> >
> > Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB
> >
> > Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported
> everything out
> of the
> > 14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile.
> Compact. 1.1 MB
> >
> > 14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB
> >
> > This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on
> their cleaning
> utils.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 00:54:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:54:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
References: <005f01c3978a$173d24f0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <01b101c39797$d7a163c0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...yeah, besides the cretinous "help" system, its the only real fault I've
found with XP which is why I migrated everything to it but still use the A2K
file format ...simply unbelievable that MS hasn't fixed such a major bug :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:16 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact/decompile


> Yeah this seems to be the issue.
>
> For the most part my dbs are in Acc2000 format.  Except this one and it
isn't
> small, so it never really hit me until I tried cutting out 95% of it and
> compacting.
>
> I've had issues with AXP crashing on couple of forms that A2K doesn't
blink at,
> and haven't figured why ... Nor looked that hard when staying in A2K
format
> fixed it.  Might also be related if AXP is leaving so much crap behind.
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 11:47 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
> >
> >
> > KB 810415
> >
> > ...there is a long standing bug in AXP that compile fails to
> > get rid of
> > bloat if you use the A2002 file format ...MS hasn't fixed it in their
> > service packs even though they have a KB on it and importing
> > into a new mdb,
> > although a pita, is the only way to get rid of the bloat
> > ...OR change to
> > using the A2000 file format which does not have the bloat
> > problem ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:26 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import
> > into a clean
> > database.
> > >
> > > I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull
> > everything out of
> > except
> > > the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for
> > system tools,
> > link
> > > checking etc.
> > >
> > > Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.
> > >
> > > Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.
> > >
> > > Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB
> > >
> > > Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported
> > everything out
> > of the
> > > 14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile.
> > Compact. 1.1 MB
> > >
> > > 14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB
> > >
> > > This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on
> > their cleaning
> > utils.
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------
> > ----
> >
> >
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 03:52:58 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:52:58 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OF7FBEA736.520266FF-ONC1256DC6.00309ABA@achmea.nl>

Jim,

Thanks, for your info.

0. I will take a look at that
1. Is it possible to make an exception for 1 file then?  I will look at
this to
2. already done
3. already done with the code posted earlier in this group. This has to be
done in de BE and for local tables in the FE.
4. always een MDE
5. this is where I am working on.

Gr. marcel




  Before moving to anything else, I'd try and squeeze some more performance
out of what you have.  One of the big things you can do is to keep a
reference to the BE open at all times while the app is open. Some other
things:

0. For Windows servers, make sure OPLOCKS are turned off (see MSKB).
1. Make sure the MDB is not being virus scanned on the sever or client
(some
are set to "scan on open").
2. Turn off Name Auto Correct.
3. Turn off sub data sheets.
4. Make sure your MDB is compiled and stays that way (alternatively
distribute the FE as a MDE).
5. Limit forms to a subset of the data.  i.e. limit the recordset to a
single record.  Don't bind forms to an entire table.

  The first few are easy (along with the reference thing mentioned above)
and should yield a healthy boost in performance.  Beyond that, moving to a
true client/server setup to limit data on the network is the way to go.
But
you can get some good results by doing #5 above.

 BTW for JET based solutions, DAO is as fast as you can get.  Moving to ADO
only will actually slow things down.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:

80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 03:53:42 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:53:42 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] mdb speed
Message-ID: <OFF38E65D0.36BEA7C7-ONC1256DC6.0030D196@achmea.nl>

John,

Yes, it improves the performance a lot. I also run this code in the FE for
local tables.

Gr. marcel




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I assume this has to be inserted into a module in the BE and run with the
BE
open?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed


I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some
code
previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your tables,
ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None".
(Sorry - can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and
performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be of
some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property

  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String

  Dim strS As String

  Set MyDB = CurrentDb

  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"

  On Error Resume Next

  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1

     If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

        If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal Then
           MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
           intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
        End If

        If Err.Number = 3270 Then
           Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
           MyProperty.Type = PropType
           MyProperty.Value = propVal
           MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
        Else
           If Err.Number <> 0 Then
              MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
              & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
              MyDB.Close
              Exit Function
           End If
        End If

     End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 03:55:54 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:55:54 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OFBA83E9A6.9843BADB-ONC1256DC6.0030E719@achmea.nl>

Drew,

Okay i will leave it to DAO. it is too much, no paying :-), work.

Thnx, marcel







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Okay, a few things.  First, ADO is NOT faster then DAO. But the speed
difference probably wouldn't be noticable.  Next, why are you closing all
connections at the end of your procedures.  In reality, if things seem
slow,
keeping a constant 'global' conneciton will speed things up, over reopening
the same connection again and again.

Along those lines, if you have bound forms, there is a method to force the
BE link to remain open.  Create a table in the BE, then create a bound form
to that table (linked in the FE).  On the startup of your apps, open that
form hidden, and keep it open.

Drew

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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:

80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 04:06:31 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:06:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <OF64E7453D.804E89D0-ONC1256DC6.00312AC0@achmea.nl>

Dear group,

Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
connection open shows the following figure.

10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
     Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
     Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds

100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
     Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
     Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds


In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections after
use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those database
connections open at a certain time the database gives memory errors. But
reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
currently use is

   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
      Dim db as dao.databse
      Dim rs as dao.recordset

      set db = currentdb()

      > the works>

      db.close
      rs.close
      set db = nothing
      set rs= nothing
   end function


So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to dim
the db as global-public variable and use this in each function???????? so
in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???

Gr. marcel







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Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement
in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.

Charlotte Foust

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From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
 distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
 and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
 performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
 with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1



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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move
first. EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Oct 21 04:09:15 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:09:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting site
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F978E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thank You John for the tip...

With these doc's I'm gonna be a real pro now :-)

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http://www.processimpact.com/goodies.shtml

It has a few document templates that may be applicable.  A lot of this
seems to be aimed at large contract stuff but it never hurts to read it.

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Oct 21 04:39:22 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:09:22 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46B@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.

There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening connections
that I'm aware of.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Dear group,

Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
connection open shows the following figure.

10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
     Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
     Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds

100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
     Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
     Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds


In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections after
use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those database
connections open at a certain time the database gives memory errors. But
reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
currently use is

   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
      Dim db as dao.databse
      Dim rs as dao.recordset

      set db = currentdb()

      > the works>

      db.close
      rs.close
      set db = nothing
      set rs= nothing
   end function


So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to dim
the db as global-public variable and use this in each function???????? so
in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???

Gr. marcel







"Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
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Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement
in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
 distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
 and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
 performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
 with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1



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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move
first. EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 05:00:53 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:53 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <OF52068BDA.632970D7-ONC1256DC6.0036D25E@achmea.nl>

Andrew,

I noticed:-). I've got some work to do........
Just a question. Can I declare the DB and current db globaly in a module or
do I have to declare it in every class/module seperate?

Thanks, marcel




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I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.

There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening connections
that I'm aware of.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Dear group,

Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
connection open shows the following figure.

10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
    Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
    Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds

100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
    Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
    Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds


In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections after
use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those database
connections open at a certain time the database gives memory errors. But
reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
currently use is

   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
     Dim db as dao.databse
     Dim rs as dao.recordset

     set db = currentdb()

     > the works>

     db.close
     rs.close
     set db = nothing
     set rs= nothing
   end function


So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to dim
the db as global-public variable and use this in each function???????? so
in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???

Gr. marcel







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Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement
in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
 distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
 and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
 performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
 with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.
Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:

80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1



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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move
first. EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 05:03:36 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:03:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <OF64E7453D.804E89D0-ONC1256DC6.00312AC0@achmea.nl>
References: <OF64E7453D.804E89D0-ONC1256DC6.00312AC0@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <15212473976.20031021120336@cactus.dk>

Hi Marcel

Thank you.

What would the figures bee for not keeping the connection open?
I'm not sure that would add much to the figures even for the 10 Mb
network ...

/gustav


> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.

> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds

> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 05:05:49 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:05:49 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46B@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <000001c397ba$e7d038c0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each table to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
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>
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>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Oct 21 06:12:36 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:12:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBC8@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a linked table at
close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for refreshing the link
but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help. (I am linking
to BE SQL db)

Many thanks

Richard


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 06:35:42 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:35:42 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBC8@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <000501c397c7$761c0620$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.


Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
    rstrDestDbs As String, _
    rstrTable As String, _
    Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
) As Boolean
' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the specified database
' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database containing the
table to attach to
'               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the attachment
in,
'                   or empty string for the current database
'               rstrTable - name of the table in rstrSourceDbs to attach
'               rstrNewTable - new name of table in destination database; _
                    if empty string, do not change the name
' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise

    Dim dbs As Database
    Dim tdf As TableDef

    ' get a handle to the destination database
    If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
        Set dbs = CurrentDb()
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
    End If
    ' create a new table object
    If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
        ' use new table name
        Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
    Else
        ' use original table name
        Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
    End If
    ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
    tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
    tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
    ' save the new table
    dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
End Function


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Griffiths, Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> Hi Group
>
> I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> linked table at
> close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> refreshing the link
> but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> (I am linking
> to BE SQL db)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 06:43:54 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:43:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <000001c397ba$e7d038c0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <003c01c397c8$9b5554e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Absolutely endorse this. I've got a big MDB with lots of tables. It was
taking about 20 MINUTES to relink before I kept a pointer to the data
open. Now does it in 10-15 SECONDS. Massive difference.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart Sanders
> Sent: 21 October 2003 11:06
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> 
> 
> Not necessarily true...
> 
> For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a 
> multiuser backend, maintaining an open db connection to the 
> db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5 minute relink operation 
> without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an open 
> connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for 
> each table to be relinked.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, 
> > Andrew
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> >
> >
> > I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
> >
> > There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening 
> > connections that I'm aware of.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> >
> >
> > Dear group,
> >
> > Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the 
> > connection open shows the following figure.
> >
> > 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> >      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
> >      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> > now 2 seconds
> >
> > 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> >      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 
> 1 seconds
> >      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> > now 1 seconds
> >
> >
> > In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections 
> > after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> > those database
> > connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> > errors. But
> > reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> > currently use is
> >
> >    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
> >       Dim db as dao.databse
> >       Dim rs as dao.recordset
> >
> >       set db = currentdb()
> >
> >       > the works>
> >
> >       db.close
> >       rs.close
> >       set db = nothing
> >       set rs= nothing
> >    end function
> >
> >
> > So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is 
> it better to 
> > dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> > function???????? so
> > in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
> >
> > Gr. marcel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Charlotte Foust" 
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 
> > 20-10-2003 17:47:40
> >
> > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > cc:
> >
> > Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> >
> >
> > Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name 
> Autocorrect and 
> > Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an 
> > improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be 
> turned off 
> > in the backend.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> >
> >
> > Dear group,
> >
> > It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 
> > months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on 
> so I would
> > like to ask
> > you the following.
> >
> > I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 
> > applications  distributed among several customers. All database use 
> > DAO and have a FE
> >  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> >  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> >  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> > *  queries
> >  with only the data wich is used
> > - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> > eacht function
> > of module.
> > -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> > of work and I
> > do not know if i want to do this.
> >
> > But this all did not improved much.
> >
> > I am thinking about the following
> > - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve 
> > performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am 
> > missing something
> > - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> > controls on a
> > form. If I do this does this improve performance
> > - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> > of money and
> > the won?t be happy.
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions, ideas??
> > I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone 
> experience, tips, 
> > tricks in this.
> >
> > Thansk marcel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 
> 19-10-2003 
> > 06:32:54
> >
> > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > cc:
> >
> > Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> >
> >
> >
> > John - This article may be of benefit
> > Dave
> >
> > PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> > microsoft.com: 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> >
> >
> > I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> > Move last, move
> > first. EOF and BOF are both false.
> >
> > Recordcount = -1
> >
> > What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Tue Oct 21 06:45:01 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:45:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010A@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Curious, I have a database with linked SQL Tables. Why would you want to do
this? Why do you refresh the tables?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table


I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.


Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
    rstrDestDbs As String, _
    rstrTable As String, _
    Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
) As Boolean
' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the specified database
' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database containing the
table to attach to
'               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
attachment
in,
'                   or empty string for the current database
'               rstrTable - name of the table in rstrSourceDbs to attach
'               rstrNewTable - new name of table in destination database; _
                    if empty string, do not change the name
' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise

    Dim dbs As Database
    Dim tdf As TableDef

    ' get a handle to the destination database
    If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
        Set dbs = CurrentDb()
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
    End If
    ' create a new table object
    If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
        ' use new table name
        Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
    Else
        ' use original table name
        Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
    End If
    ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
    tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
    tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
    ' save the new table
    dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
End Function


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Griffiths, Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> Hi Group
>
> I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> linked table at
> close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> refreshing the link
> but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> (I am linking
> to BE SQL db)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Oct 21 06:58:12 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:58:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBC9@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Stuart Sanders [SMTP:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent:	21 October 2003 12:36
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> 
> I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
> 
> 
> Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
>     rstrDestDbs As String, _
>     rstrTable As String, _
>     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> ) As Boolean
> ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the specified database
> ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database containing
> the
> table to attach to
> '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
> attachment
> in,
> '                   or empty string for the current database
> '               rstrTable - name of the table in rstrSourceDbs to attach
> '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in destination database;
> _
>                     if empty string, do not change the name
> ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
> 
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
> 
>     ' get a handle to the destination database
>     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
>         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     Else
>         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
>     End If
>     ' create a new table object
>     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
>         ' use new table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
>     Else
>         ' use original table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
>     End If
>     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
>     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
>     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
>     ' save the new table
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> End Function
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Griffiths, Richard
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > linked table at
> > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > refreshing the link
> > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > (I am linking
> > to BE SQL db)
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Tue Oct 21 07:00:54 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:00:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the database, Access
remains open. Why is it doing this now? I seems to mostly happen when I make
some changes to the database.

Virginia

From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Oct 21 07:01:36 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:01:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBCA@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

I agree but.....
I am having a heap load of troubles connecting and this was one last try to
see if this would correct the problem.
I have a dsn and sometimes can connect ok, move to another workstation and I
get ODBC failures, move back and my machine and find is not
working/connecting, other users get the 'Connect to SQL' dialog pooping up
and so on.

Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Hollis,Virginia [SMTP:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> Sent:	21 October 2003 12:45
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> 
> Curious, I have a database with linked SQL Tables. Why would you want to
> do
> this? Why do you refresh the tables?
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> 
> 
> I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
> 
> 
> Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
>     rstrDestDbs As String, _
>     rstrTable As String, _
>     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> ) As Boolean
> ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the specified database
> ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database containing
> the
> table to attach to
> '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
> attachment
> in,
> '                   or empty string for the current database
> '               rstrTable - name of the table in rstrSourceDbs to attach
> '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in destination database;
> _
>                     if empty string, do not change the name
> ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
> 
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
> 
>     ' get a handle to the destination database
>     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
>         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     Else
>         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
>     End If
>     ' create a new table object
>     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
>         ' use new table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
>     Else
>         ' use original table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
>     End If
>     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
>     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
>     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
>     ' save the new table
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> End Function
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Griffiths, Richard
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > linked table at
> > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > refreshing the link
> > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > (I am linking
> > to BE SQL db)
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 07:04:50 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:04:50 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010A@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <000601c397cb$881a3500$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

This particular implementation was for linking to a local temp db.  So
calculations can be run on the local PC (copy data to local PC once as opposed
to hogging network bandwidth) and then when the database is closed it removes
the links and deletes the temp db.  Also keeps bloat out of the local mde.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> Curious, I have a database with linked SQL Tables. Why would
> you want to do
> this? Why do you refresh the tables?
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
>
>
> Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
>     rstrDestDbs As String, _
>     rstrTable As String, _
>     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> ) As Boolean
> ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the
> specified database
> ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database
> containing the
> table to attach to
> '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
> attachment
> in,
> '                   or empty string for the current database
> '               rstrTable - name of the table in
> rstrSourceDbs to attach
> '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in
> destination database; _
>                     if empty string, do not change the name
> ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
>
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
>
>     ' get a handle to the destination database
>     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
>         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     Else
>         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
>     End If
>     ' create a new table object
>     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
>         ' use new table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
>     Else
>         ' use original table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
>     End If
>     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
>     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
>     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
>     ' save the new table
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> End Function
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Griffiths, Richard
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > linked table at
> > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > refreshing the link
> > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > (I am linking
> > to BE SQL db)
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 07:07:21 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:07:21 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBC9@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <000701c397cb$e1e98a40$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Btw some modification is probably required for connecting to SQL server.  You'd
have a better chance of knowing that than me.

Use debug.print on an existing tabledef connection

It should help get you there though.

Stuart


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Griffiths, Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> thanks
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Stuart Sanders [SMTP:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> > Sent:	21 October 2003 12:36
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> > I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
> >
> >
> > Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
> >     rstrDestDbs As String, _
> >     rstrTable As String, _
> >     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> > ) As Boolean
> > ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the
> specified database
> > ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the
> database containing
> > the
> > table to attach to
> > '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to
> create the
> > attachment
> > in,
> > '                   or empty string for the current database
> > '               rstrTable - name of the table in
> rstrSourceDbs to attach
> > '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in
> destination database;
> > _
> >                     if empty string, do not change the name
> > ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
> >
> >     Dim dbs As Database
> >     Dim tdf As TableDef
> >
> >     ' get a handle to the destination database
> >     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
> >         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
> >     Else
> >         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
> >     End If
> >     ' create a new table object
> >     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
> >         ' use new table name
> >         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
> >     Else
> >         ' use original table name
> >         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
> >     End If
> >     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
> >     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
> >     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
> >     ' save the new table
> >     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> > End Function
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Griffiths, Richard
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Group
> > >
> > > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > > linked table at
> > > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > > refreshing the link
> > > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > > (I am linking
> > > to BE SQL db)
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 07:09:17 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:09:17 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010A@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <000801c397cc$27380090$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Never mind my previous post...

I was answering your question in relation to how I used it, not for SQL server.

/decides to read a post properly before replying

Stuart


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> Curious, I have a database with linked SQL Tables. Why would
> you want to do
> this? Why do you refresh the tables?
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
>
>
> Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
>     rstrDestDbs As String, _
>     rstrTable As String, _
>     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> ) As Boolean
> ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the
> specified database
> ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database
> containing the
> table to attach to
> '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
> attachment
> in,
> '                   or empty string for the current database
> '               rstrTable - name of the table in
> rstrSourceDbs to attach
> '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in
> destination database; _
>                     if empty string, do not change the name
> ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
>
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
>
>     ' get a handle to the destination database
>     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
>         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     Else
>         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
>     End If
>     ' create a new table object
>     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
>         ' use new table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
>     Else
>         ' use original table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
>     End If
>     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
>     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
>     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
>     ' save the new table
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> End Function
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Griffiths, Richard
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > linked table at
> > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > refreshing the link
> > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > (I am linking
> > to BE SQL db)
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 07:10:27 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:10:27 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <000901c397cc$509a2df0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Generally that happens to me when an object hasn't been closed properly.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 8:01 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
>
>
> I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the
> database, Access
> remains open. Why is it doing this now? I seems to mostly
> happen when I make
> some changes to the database.
>
> Virginia
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 07:31:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:31:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <000601c39787$635c0520$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFJFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, something like this.  Thanks.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John,

This some of the code from my Startup form.  Is this something like what
you're looking for?

    If AdminPerson = False Then
        '-- Setting for users
        SetOption "Show Hidden Objects", False
        SetOption "Show System Objects", False
        DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
	  SetOption "Show Status Bar", True
    Else
        '-- Settings for Admin people
        CurrentDb.Properties!AppTitle = "QMS - " & GstgCompanyName
        Application.RefreshTitleBar
        SetOption "Show Hidden Objects", True
        SetOption "Show System Objects", True
        DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes
        SetOption "Show Status Bar", False
    End If

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John,

I wrote a tool called C2DbProperties which allows a developer to perform
this task externally, i.e. it is a wizard that you open which allows you to
find a db on the disk and apply these properties on that db.

This is not what I am talking about however.  I am referring to the toolbars
that you can see at the top of forms, such as the Form view, clip board, web
etc., if you right click on the menu bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John and List,

Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.

In a previous position managing support personnel and as default application
developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden" buttons on a form
deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events called code that
would set or unset properties as needed.

Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in the
foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on a
user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the way
out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the conditions
for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back in.  Not
elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling questionable
"requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords and disallowing
the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires the
developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the changes
don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One could make the
"Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not allowed to take that
tactic.

I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of the
stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add error
handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this will give a
demo of programatticly setting options using the Database.Properties method.
This was a few years back but I remember  we used this in apps of both A97
and A2K.  I also remember having to add code to save the user's preferences
before making changes and resetting those when closing the app for our
Access "power" users (the ones who most frequently caused problems).

Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy for
it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it and
make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint, hint).

John Sullivan

John Colby wrote:

>One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars
>AUTOMATICALLY when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could
>use my
>Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
>toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
>done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 08:02:52 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:02:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
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Anyone knows where I can find replace function code to use for Access 97 ?


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue Oct 21 08:18:39 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:18:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Check www.codehound.com

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


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Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function


Anyone knows where I can find replace function code to use for Access 97 ?


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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 08:27:48 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:27:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
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References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

thanks Jim. I alredy found it --

Public Function Replace(ByRef strText As String, strSearch As String,
strReplace As String) As String
Dim lngStrPos As Long

lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
    Do While lngStrPos <> 0
        strText = Left$(strText, lngStrPos - 1) & strReplace &
Mid$(strText, lngStrPos + 1)
        lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
    Loop
    Replace = strText
End Function



> Check www.codehound.com
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director Product Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:03 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
>
>
> Anyone knows where I can find replace function code to use for Access 97
> ?
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 08:42:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:42:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

This is just about the slowest implementation available.
If you need speed have a look here:

  http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Replace.htm

Replace5 is a decent compromise between complexity and speed:

  http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Replace.htm#Replace05

/gustav


> thanks Jim. I alredy found it --

> Public Function Replace(ByRef strText As String, strSearch As String,
> strReplace As String) As String
> Dim lngStrPos As Long

> lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
>     Do While lngStrPos <> 0
>         strText = Left$(strText, lngStrPos - 1) & strReplace &
> Mid$(strText, lngStrPos + 1)
>         lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
>     Loop
>     Replace = strText
> End Function


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 08:44:31 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:44:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <000901c394e7$601a04e0$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <14044.12.3.132.98.1066404460.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <000901c394e7$601a04e0$7001a8c0@COA3>
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>>problems for last Names thats have apostrophe

>
> You need double singles for these names (or any value in a sql string
> with an apostrophe in it).  Surround the value with a Replace ...
>
> Replace(arecord(0), "'","''")
>

got the replace function, got the split function;
but when i try to implement replace function at that part of the code it
gives "by Ref  mistake" (in diff part of the same code it work fine)


--------

Private Sub Command14_Click()

 MsgBox ("hey")
 Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer

Set db = CurrentDb


If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
       'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with space
       strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)

        aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)


        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2), "'",
"''") & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
Replace(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"


        Debug.Print strSQL
        CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If
    MsgBox ("end")
End Sub


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 08:58:38 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:58:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>

Greetings,

I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

Example:
000
001
.
.
998
999
00A
00B
.
.
ZZZ


Mark Mitsules
Senior Designer
Department E13
Submarine Electrical Engineering
Northrop Grumman Newport News
757.380.3376

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 09:14:42 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:14:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
        <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in Visual
Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more concerned
that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I write
Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....

> Hi Oleg
>
> This is just about the slowest implementation available.
> If you need speed have a look here:
>
>   http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Replace.htm
>
> Replace5 is a decent compromise between complexity and speed:
>
>   http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Replace.htm#Replace05
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> thanks Jim. I alredy found it --
>
>> Public Function Replace(ByRef strText As String, strSearch As String,
>> strReplace As String) As String
>> Dim lngStrPos As Long
>
>> lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
>>     Do While lngStrPos <> 0
>>         strText = Left$(strText, lngStrPos - 1) & strReplace &
>> Mid$(strText, lngStrPos + 1)
>>         lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
>>     Loop
>>     Replace = strText
>> End Function
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct 21 09:22:25 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:22:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <8880874.1066745424653.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000501c397de$c3361060$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Mark,

I believe that Excel converts 7E9 to 7 * 10 to the 9th power.  

Try putting a single apostrophe in front of the AAA.  In the formula bar it
will look like 'AAA, but in the cell it will look like AAA.  This tells
Excel that you want the cell contents treated like text, and should prevent
the conversion to an exponential value.

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:59 AM
To: '[AccessD]'
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Greetings,

I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

Example:
000
001
.
.
998
999
00A
00B
.
.
ZZZ


Mark Mitsules
Senior Designer
Department E13
Submarine Electrical Engineering
Northrop Grumman Newport News
757.380.3376
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 09:23:40 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <34059.12.3.132.98.1066746220.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mike, I just did regular 'sort ascending' got this (I typed it not in any
order); is that what u r looking for ?

r
000
001
123
134
444
445
455
456
67U
AER
AQO
ASD
FGT
IUY
VBG
ZZZ

> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.
>  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel
> makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into
> 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark Mitsules
> Senior Designer
> Department E13
> Submarine Electrical Engineering
> Northrop Grumman Newport News
> 757.380.3376
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 09:24:46 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:24:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
 <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

Try this:

  Replace(MyRecord(0), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))

/gustav


> Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in Visual
> Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more concerned
> that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I write
> Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 09:34:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:34:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <11928747076.20031021163449@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

You could do this SQL

 .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

/gustav


> Greetings,

> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
> field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
> remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
> suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
> startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 09:35:29 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89C@nnse14.nns.com>

That worked for the small dataset you've shown, but as you can see below, an
ASCII sort order will place 00A through 00Z before 010.  I was hoping for a
possible use of Val() in combination with the sort to produce my desired
result.


008
009
00A
00B
.
.
00Z
010


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mike, I just did regular 'sort ascending' got this (I typed it not in any
order); is that what u r looking for ?

r
000
001
123
134
444
445
455
456
67U
AER
AQO
ASD
FGT
IUY
VBG
ZZZ

> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 09:38:00 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:38:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
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        <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
        <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
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I still get byRef argument type mismatch :((
What does it mean ?

------
Private Sub Command14_Click()

 MsgBox ("hey")
 Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer

Set db = CurrentDb


If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
       'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with space
       strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)

        aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)


        'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(2),
"'", "''") & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
Replace01(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"
       strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2),
Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), Chr(39),
Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(4), Chr(39), Chr(39) +
Chr(39)) & "')"

        Debug.Print strSQL
        CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If
    MsgBox ("end")
End Sub




> Hi Oleg
>
> Try this:
>
>   Replace(MyRecord(0), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in
>> Visual Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more
>> concerned that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I
>> write Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 09:39:39 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:39:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <000501c397de$c3361060$de1811d8@DanWaters>
References: <8880874.1066745424653.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
        <000501c397de$c3361060$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747179.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mark, I just tried it Excel also, if u want t do it there, make sure you
format into text first (from general)

> Mark,
>
> I believe that Excel converts 7E9 to 7 * 10 to the 9th power.
>
> Try putting a single apostrophe in front of the AAA.  In the formula bar
> it will look like 'AAA, but in the cell it will look like AAA.  This
> tells Excel that you want the cell contents treated like text, and
> should prevent the conversion to an exponential value.
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
> Mark Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:59 AM
> To: '[AccessD]'
> Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.
>  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel
> makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into
> 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark Mitsules
> Senior Designer
> Department E13
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> 757.380.3376
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 09:49:55 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:49:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
References: <003c01c397c8$9b5554e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00ed01c397e2$976b71b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Andy:

I use Tribble's relinker.  Is there a simple mod to his code which would
accomplish this?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


> Absolutely endorse this. I've got a big MDB with lots of tables. It was
> taking about 20 MINUTES to relink before I kept a pointer to the data
> open. Now does it in 10-15 SECONDS. Massive difference.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Stuart Sanders
> > Sent: 21 October 2003 11:06
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> >
> >
> > Not necessarily true...
> >
> > For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a
> > multiuser backend, maintaining an open db connection to the
> > db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5 minute relink operation
> > without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an open
> > connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for
> > each table to be relinked.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
> > > Andrew
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
> > >
> > > There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening
> > > connections that I'm aware of.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > A
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > >
> > > Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> > > connection open shows the following figure.
> > >
> > > 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > >      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
> > >      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> > > now 2 seconds
> > >
> > > 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > >      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now
> > 1 seconds
> > >      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> > > now 1 seconds
> > >
> > >
> > > In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections
> > > after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> > > those database
> > > connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> > > errors. But
> > > reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> > > currently use is
> > >
> > >    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
> > >       Dim db as dao.databse
> > >       Dim rs as dao.recordset
> > >
> > >       set db = currentdb()
> > >
> > >       > the works>
> > >
> > >       db.close
> > >       rs.close
> > >       set db = nothing
> > >       set rs= nothing
> > >    end function
> > >
> > >
> > > So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is
> > it better to
> > > dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> > > function???????? so
> > > in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
> > >
> > > Gr. marcel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Charlotte Foust"
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > > 20-10-2003 17:47:40
> > >
> > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name
> > Autocorrect and
> > > Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an
> > > improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be
> > turned off
> > > in the backend.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > >
> > > It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7
> > > months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on
> > so I would
> > > like to ask
> > > you the following.
> > >
> > > I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> > > applications  distributed among several customers. All database use
> > > DAO and have a FE
> > >  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> > >  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> > >  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> > > *  queries
> > >  with only the data wich is used
> > > - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> > > eacht function
> > > of module.
> > > -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> > > of work and I
> > > do not know if i want to do this.
> > >
> > > But this all did not improved much.
> > >
> > > I am thinking about the following
> > > - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> > > performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am
> > > missing something
> > > - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> > > controls on a
> > > form. If I do this does this improve performance
> > > - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> > > of money and
> > > the won?t be happy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any suggestions, ideas??
> > > I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone
> > experience, tips,
> > > tricks in this.
> > >
> > > Thansk marcel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > 19-10-2003
> > > 06:32:54
> > >
> > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John - This article may be of benefit
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> > > microsoft.com: 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > >
> > >
> > > I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> > > Move last, move
> > > first. EOF and BOF are both false.
> > >
> > > Recordcount = -1
> > >
> > > What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 09:50:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89D@nnse14.nns.com>

The problem with using Excel is getting it in there in the first place.
Excel apparently knows better than I what I want:(  On pasting as Text, it
automatically does the conversion back to numeric.  With 46,655 records I
would prefer not to do any manual editing such as formatting with a " ' " or
changing entries like 7000000000 back to 7E9.  The Access table I have has
all the data already in the correct format...I was hoping for an SQL sorting
solution.  I'm just frustrated with my lack of vision on this particular
problem.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mark, I just tried it Excel also, if u want t do it there, make sure you
format into text first (from general)

> Mark,
>
> I believe that Excel converts 7E9 to 7 * 10 to the 9th power.
>
> Try putting a single apostrophe in front of the AAA.  In the formula 
> bar it will look like 'AAA, but in the cell it will look like AAA.  
> This tells Excel that you want the cell contents treated like text, 
> and should prevent the conversion to an exponential value.
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, 
> Mark Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:59 AM
> To: '[AccessD]'
> Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark Mitsules
> Senior Designer
> Department E13
> Submarine Electrical Engineering
> Northrop Grumman Newport News
> 757.380.3376
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 09:58:23 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:58:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89F@nnse14.nns.com>

Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right track.
That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 01A.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Hi Mark

You could do this SQL

 .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

/gustav


> Greetings,

> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.

> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 10:01:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:01:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747080.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
 <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
 <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747080.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <3230373214.20031021170155@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

> I still get byRef argument type mismatch :((
> What does it mean ?

What it says.
Your array returns a Variant while Replace01() probably needs a
String.
Try this:

  .. Replace01(CStr(aRecord(2)) ..

/gustav


> ------
> Private Sub Command14_Click()

>  MsgBox ("hey")
>  Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim aRecord
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer

> Set db = CurrentDb


> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>     Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

>     Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

>         strLine = ts.ReadLine
>        'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with space
>        strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)

>         aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
>         aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)


>         'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
> aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(2),
> "'", "''") & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
> Replace01(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"
>        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
> aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2),
> Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), Chr(39),
> Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(4), Chr(39), Chr(39) +
> Chr(39)) & "')"

>         Debug.Print strSQL
>         CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)

>     Loop
> Else
>      MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
> End If
>     MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub




>> Hi Oleg
>>
>> Try this:
>>
>>   Replace(MyRecord(0), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>> Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in
>>> Visual Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more
>>> concerned that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I
>>> write Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....


From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Oct 21 10:07:48 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:07:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard in A2K
Message-ID: <006d01c397e5$17d8e060$2501a8c0@PASCAL>

Hi all,

   I am using the A2K upsize wizard to SQL Server 2000.  It won't let me
upsize cascade deletes in relationships, though SQL Server 2000 has that.
I'm using SP-3 of Office 2K.  Is there anything I can do to upsize these, or
do I need to reset those manually after upsizing.  If so, does A2002 upsize
cascade deletes?

Thanks

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
763-391-7400
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 10:05:21 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89D@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89D@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <21610.12.3.132.98.1066748721.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

then just try what Gustave sent ---

SELECT TT.r
FROM TT
ORDER BY StrComp(r, Cstr(Val(r)), 1), r;


> The problem with using Excel is getting it in there in the first place.
> Excel apparently knows better than I what I want:(  On pasting as Text,
> it automatically does the conversion back to numeric.  With 46,655
> records I would prefer not to do any manual editing such as formatting
> with a " ' " or changing entries like 7000000000 back to 7E9.  The
> Access table I have has all the data already in the correct format...I
> was hoping for an SQL sorting solution.  I'm just frustrated with my
> lack of vision on this particular problem.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>
>
> Mark, I just tried it Excel also, if u want t do it there, make sure you
> format into text first (from general)
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I believe that Excel converts 7E9 to 7 * 10 to the 9th power.
>>
>> Try putting a single apostrophe in front of the AAA.  In the formula
>> bar it will look like 'AAA, but in the cell it will look like AAA.
>> This tells Excel that you want the cell contents treated like text,
>> and should prevent the conversion to an exponential value.
>>
>> Dan Waters
>> Quality Process Solutions
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
>> Mark Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:59 AM
>> To: '[AccessD]'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this
>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before
>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort
>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however,
>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9
>> into 7000000000.
>>
>> Example:
>> 000
>> 001
>> .
>> .
>> 998
>> 999
>> 00A
>> 00B
>> .
>> .
>> ZZZ
>>
>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 10:10:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:10:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89F@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89F@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <11130889236.20031021171031@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right track.
> That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 01A.

Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.

This should do:

  Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

/gustav


> You could do this SQL

>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

> /gustav


>> Greetings,

>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
>> into 7000000000.

>> Example:
>> 000
>> 001
>> .
>> .
>> 998
>> 999
>> 00A
>> 00B
>> .
>> .
>> ZZZ


From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Oct 21 10:10:54 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:10:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65901@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Here's my situation.  I have Office XP, but it's a corporate edition (or
something like that) that doesn't have the necessary files when creating a
runtime version (I think it's looking for data1.msi).  I also have Office XP
Developer.  Now when I try to create a runtime I'm told to insert my Office
XP disk 1 (I only have 1 disk with this version) to find the necessary
file(s).  It doesn't find them.  I've also tried to use the Sagekey Access
2002 Runtime which requires the Office XP CD 1.  It seems to me that I should
be able to purchase Access XP (I'm trying to find the cheapest way out of
this mess and I don't need the other XP for the other pieces) and create my
runtime package, but I don't know if the Access XP disk will work when it's
looking for Office XP.

Has anyone experienced this or have any knowledge about this?

Thanks,

Paula Wright


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 10:18:15 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:18:15 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F65Kp1CzZgx44x00003c05@hotmail.com>

Jim,

I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below 
"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it...is it an API declared 
in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a value?

Thanks,

Mark

>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:15:59 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
>   Since it stores a bookmark, it must be a variant.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:02 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Jim,
>
>How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord
> >and
> >lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >Private Sub Form_Current()
> >
> >   Dim rst As Recordset
> >
> >   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> >
> >   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
> >   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
> >     ' Nothing to do
> >   Else
> >       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
> >       rst.Edit
> >         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
> >       rst.Update
> >       Set rst = Nothing
> >   End If
> >
> >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
> >
> >   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
> >   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
> >
> >
> >End Sub
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
> >ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with 
>the
> >control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
> >fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this 
>is
> >in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
> >UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether
> >or
> >not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  
>Any
> >thoughts?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> > >
> > >Jim,
> > >
> > >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like
> >the
> > >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> > >
> > >John W. Colby
> > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >John,
> > >
> > >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both 
>would
> > >be
> > >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a
> >requery
> > >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle 
>as
> > >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example
> >using
> > >bookmarks.
> > >
> > >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> > >different
> > >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row
> >colors.
> > >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for 
>displaying
> > >of
> > >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> > >
> > >Jim Dettman
> > >President,
> > >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > >(315) 699-3443
> > >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> > >current line number.  In my framework I use
> > >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> > >replaces the function?
> > >
> > >John W. Colby
> > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, 
>Mark
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> > >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous 
>Form
> > >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Hello All,
> > >
> > >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row
> >that
> > >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> > >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of 
>every
> > >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> > >
> > >Any Ideas?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 10:19:12 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:19:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP
References: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65901@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c397e6$b0b303a0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...uninstall the OfficeXP version ...then install OfficeXP Developer which
includes Office XP + Access + the developer utilities ...you can install
Developer over an existing Office but the chances of getting a bad install
are, ime, much higher ...HTH :)

William Hindman
"How can there possibly be liberty and justice for all,
when, in the name of justice, people claim rights to income,
food, housing, education, health care, transportation, ad
infinitum? We can't. Positive rights to receive such things,
absent an obligation to earn them, must violate others' liberty,
by taking some of their income without their consent. They are
really just wishes, convertible into benefits for some only by
employing the government to violate others' rights not to have
what is theirs taken." --Prof. Gary Galles of Pepperdine University

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paula Wright" <paulawright at boddienoell.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP


Here's my situation.  I have Office XP, but it's a corporate edition (or
something like that) that doesn't have the necessary files when creating a
runtime version (I think it's looking for data1.msi).  I also have Office XP
Developer.  Now when I try to create a runtime I'm told to insert my Office
XP disk 1 (I only have 1 disk with this version) to find the necessary
file(s).  It doesn't find them.  I've also tried to use the Sagekey Access
2002 Runtime which requires the Office XP CD 1.  It seems to me that I
should
be able to purchase Access XP (I'm trying to find the cheapest way out of
this mess and I don't need the other XP for the other pieces) and create my
runtime package, but I don't know if the Access XP disk will work when it's
looking for Office XP.

Has anyone experienced this or have any knowledge about this?

Thanks,

Paula Wright

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 10:23:39 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:23:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A0@nnse14.nns.com>

> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining records
reverted back to the way it was before...

001
.
009
00A
.
00Z
010
.
Etc...



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Hi Mark

> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
> 01A.

Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.

This should do:

  Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

/gustav


> You could do this SQL

>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

> /gustav


>> Greetings,

>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
>> into 7000000000.

>> Example:
>> 000
>> 001
>> .
>> .
>> 998
>> 999
>> 00A
>> 00B
>> .
>> .
>> ZZZ

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 21 10:26:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:26:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273AA@main2.marlow.com>

Do a double sort.  Create another field, which is the VAL of your data.
Sort that descending, and if the val=0 then set it to 1000, that put's it
after the other numeric numbers, then sort alphabetically.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


That worked for the small dataset you've shown, but as you can see below, an
ASCII sort order will place 00A through 00Z before 010.  I was hoping for a
possible use of Val() in combination with the sort to produce my desired
result.


008
009
00A
00B
.
.
00Z
010


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mike, I just did regular 'sort ascending' got this (I typed it not in any
order); is that what u r looking for ?

r
000
001
123
134
444
445
455
456
67U
AER
AQO
ASD
FGT
IUY
VBG
ZZZ

> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 10:31:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:31:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123B6@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Access 2000 and XP are much less forgiving of undestroyed objects than
97.  Another difference is that a hidden form will keep the database
open when you try to quit, which is not the same behavior as 97.  Make
sure you explicitly destroy any object variables populated using the Set
keyword.  Also make sure that you use a full evaluation of things like
checkboxes in your code.  In other words, use 

If Me.Checkbox = True Then

And not

If Me.Checkbox Then

Or else wrap the expression Me.Checkbox in parens to force an
evaluation.  Otherwise, Access can hang up on that issue as well.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open


I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the database, Access
remains open. Why is it doing this now? I seems to mostly happen when I
make some changes to the database.

Virginia
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 10:34:29 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:34:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <007701c397e8$d1d12f60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Virginia
Could it be this?

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;246953&Product=a
cc

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: 21 October 2003 13:01
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
> 
> 
> I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the 
> database, Access remains open. Why is it doing this now? I 
> seems to mostly happen when I make some changes to the database.
> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 10:52:22 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:52:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
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oi wey

I don't think this will ever. Ok it doesn't give my ByRef error anymore,
it just crashes every time around the record 144 (??) All other transfer
forms work fine exsept in this in the original someone jut had to put date
in format 19860102....

> Hi Oleg
>
>> I still get byRef argument type mismatch :((
>> What does it mean ?
>
> What it says.
> Your array returns a Variant while Replace01() probably needs a
> String.
> Try this:
>
>   .. Replace01(CStr(aRecord(2)) ..
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> ------
>> Private Sub Command14_Click()
>
>>  MsgBox ("hey")
>>  Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim aRecord
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> Dim db As DAO.Database
>> Dim i As Integer
>
>> Set db = CurrentDb
>
>
>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>>     Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>
>>     Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>
>>         strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>        'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with
>> space strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)
>
>>         aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
>>         aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>
>
>>         'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" &
>> "'" &
>> aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(2),
>> "'", "''") & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
>> Replace01(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"
>>        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'"
>> &
>> aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2),
>> Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), Chr(39),
>> Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(4), Chr(39), Chr(39) +
>> Chr(39)) & "')"
>
>>         Debug.Print strSQL
>>         CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)
>
>>     Loop
>> Else
>>      MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>> End If
>>     MsgBox ("end")
>> End Sub
>
>
>
>
>>> Hi Oleg
>>>
>>> Try this:
>>>
>>>   Replace(MyRecord(0), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>
>>>> Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in
>>>> Visual Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more
>>>> concerned that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I
>>>> write Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 10:57:23 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:57:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A0@nnse14.nns.com>
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Hi Mark

Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:

.. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))

/gustav


>> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

> Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining records
> reverted back to the way it was before...

> 001
> .
> 009
> 00A
> .
> 00Z
> 010
> .
> Etc...



> Mark


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


> Hi Mark

>> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
>> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
>> 01A.

> Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.

> This should do:

>   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

> /gustav


>> You could do this SQL

>>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

>> /gustav


>>> Greetings,

>>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
>>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
>>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
>>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
>>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
>>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
>>> into 7000000000.

>>> Example:
>>> 000
>>> 001
>>> .
>>> .
>>> 998
>>> 999
>>> 00A
>>> 00B
>>> .
>>> .
>>> ZZZ


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 11:02:45 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:02:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
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 <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
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 <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
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Message-ID: <11234023102.20031021180245@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

And what do the other records look like?

/gustav

> I don't think this will ever. Ok it doesn't give my ByRef error anymore,
> it just crashes every time around the record 144 (??) All other transfer
> forms work fine exsept in this in the original someone jut had to put date
> in format 19860102....


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 11:04:25 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:04:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A1@nnse14.nns.com>

There are other conditions that may need addressing before using this
approach.

Examples:
Any combination of (numeric [1-9] & "D" or "E" & numeric [1-9]).
Val(1D3)=1000
Val(9D9)=9000000000
Val(1E1)=10


Other situations:
Val(1C1)=1
Val(8CW)=8
Val(5C9)=5
Val(90Q)=90



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Do a double sort.  Create another field, which is the VAL of your data. Sort
that descending, and if the val=0 then set it to 1000, that put's it after
the other numeric numbers, then sort alphabetically.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


That worked for the small dataset you've shown, but as you can see below, an
ASCII sort order will place 00A through 00Z before 010.  I was hoping for a
possible use of Val() in combination with the sort to produce my desired
result.


008
009
00A
00B
.
.
00Z
010


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mike, I just did regular 'sort ascending' got this (I typed it not in any
order); is that what u r looking for ?

r
000
001
123
134
444
445
455
456
67U
AER
AQO
ASD
FGT
IUY
VBG
ZZZ

> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 11:13:18 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:13:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>

Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
legend...cha cha cha"

Thank you sir,


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Hi Mark

Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:

.. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))

/gustav


>> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

> Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining 
> records reverted back to the way it was before...

> 001
> .
> 009
> 00A
> .
> 00Z
> 010
> .
> Etc...



> Mark


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


> Hi Mark

>> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
>> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
>> 01A.

> Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.

> This should do:

>   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

> /gustav


>> You could do this SQL

>>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

>> /gustav


>>> Greetings,

>>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
>>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
>>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
>>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
>>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
>>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
>>> into 7000000000.

>>> Example:
>>> 000
>>> 001
>>> .
>>> .
>>> 998
>>> 999
>>> 00A
>>> 00B
>>> .
>>> .
>>> ZZZ

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 11:20:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:20:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
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I thought I'd modded his code and placed the modified version on my site.
I'd have to look though.  I know I did modify it for my own use.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Andy:

I use Tribble's relinker.  Is there a simple mod to his code which would
accomplish this?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


> Absolutely endorse this. I've got a big MDB with lots of tables. It was
> taking about 20 MINUTES to relink before I kept a pointer to the data
> open. Now does it in 10-15 SECONDS. Massive difference.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Stuart Sanders
> > Sent: 21 October 2003 11:06
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> >
> >
> > Not necessarily true...
> >
> > For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a
> > multiuser backend, maintaining an open db connection to the
> > db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5 minute relink operation
> > without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an open
> > connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for
> > each table to be relinked.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
> > > Andrew
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
> > >
> > > There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening
> > > connections that I'm aware of.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > A
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > >
> > > Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> > > connection open shows the following figure.
> > >
> > > 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > >      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
> > >      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> > > now 2 seconds
> > >
> > > 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > >      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now
> > 1 seconds
> > >      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> > > now 1 seconds
> > >
> > >
> > > In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections
> > > after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> > > those database
> > > connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> > > errors. But
> > > reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> > > currently use is
> > >
> > >    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
> > >       Dim db as dao.databse
> > >       Dim rs as dao.recordset
> > >
> > >       set db = currentdb()
> > >
> > >       > the works>
> > >
> > >       db.close
> > >       rs.close
> > >       set db = nothing
> > >       set rs= nothing
> > >    end function
> > >
> > >
> > > So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is
> > it better to
> > > dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> > > function???????? so
> > > in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
> > >
> > > Gr. marcel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Charlotte Foust"
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > > 20-10-2003 17:47:40
> > >
> > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name
> > Autocorrect and
> > > Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an
> > > improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be
> > turned off
> > > in the backend.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > >
> > > It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7
> > > months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on
> > so I would
> > > like to ask
> > > you the following.
> > >
> > > I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> > > applications  distributed among several customers. All database use
> > > DAO and have a FE
> > >  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> > >  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> > >  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> > > *  queries
> > >  with only the data wich is used
> > > - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> > > eacht function
> > > of module.
> > > -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> > > of work and I
> > > do not know if i want to do this.
> > >
> > > But this all did not improved much.
> > >
> > > I am thinking about the following
> > > - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> > > performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am
> > > missing something
> > > - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> > > controls on a
> > > form. If I do this does this improve performance
> > > - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> > > of money and
> > > the won?t be happy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any suggestions, ideas??
> > > I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone
> > experience, tips,
> > > tricks in this.
> > >
> > > Thansk marcel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > 19-10-2003
> > > 06:32:54
> > >
> > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John - This article may be of benefit
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> > > microsoft.com: 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > >
> > >
> > > I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> > > Move last, move
> > > first. EOF and BOF are both false.
> > >
> > > Recordcount = -1
> > >
> > > What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 21 11:23:40 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:23:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F65Kp1CzZgx44x00003c05@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEKDHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

<<I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below
"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it..>>

  Yes it does:

> >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark

<<is it an API declared
in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a value?>>

  It would be a lot simpler to send you the sample database so you can play
with it.  Send me an e-mail off-list.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Jim,

I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below
"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it...is it an API declared
in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a value?

Thanks,

Mark

>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:15:59 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
>   Since it stores a bookmark, it must be a variant.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:02 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Jim,
>
>How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord
> >and
> >lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >Private Sub Form_Current()
> >
> >   Dim rst As Recordset
> >
> >   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> >
> >   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
> >   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
> >     ' Nothing to do
> >   Else
> >       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
> >       rst.Edit
> >         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
> >       rst.Update
> >       Set rst = Nothing
> >   End If
> >
> >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
> >
> >   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
> >   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
> >
> >
> >End Sub
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
> >ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with
>the
> >control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
> >fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this
>is
> >in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
> >UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether
> >or
> >not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?
>Any
> >thoughts?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> > >
> > >Jim,
> > >
> > >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like
> >the
> > >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> > >
> > >John W. Colby
> > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >John,
> > >
> > >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both
>would
> > >be
> > >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a
> >requery
> > >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle
>as
> > >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example
> >using
> > >bookmarks.
> > >
> > >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> > >different
> > >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row
> >colors.
> > >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for
>displaying
> > >of
> > >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> > >
> > >Jim Dettman
> > >President,
> > >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > >(315) 699-3443
> > >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> > >current line number.  In my framework I use
> > >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> > >replaces the function?
> > >
> > >John W. Colby
> > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules,
>Mark
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> > >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous
>Form
> > >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Hello All,
> > >
> > >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row
> >that
> > >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> > >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of
>every
> > >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> > >
> > >Any Ideas?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Mark
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 21 11:24:14 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:24:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <200310210357.h9L3vb628333@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021112109.02702268@pop3.highstream.net>

I read an article years ago in the magazine Database.
The author stipulated there were currently 2 species
of humans, homo sapiens and homo userus.  Since homo
sapiens means thinking man, you can determine what
he meant by the second species.  ;-)

Robert

At 10:57 PM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:45:38 +1300
>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021144237.00b1b550 at mail.dalyn.co.nz>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii
>
>Not sure if I should be offended or not - New Zealand happens to share the
>same waters as the Aussies but we are a different country!
>
>The users would already have their own printers so at least this will not
>be an issue!  (It was a bit tongue in cheek about users abilities but I
>think we all know what I mean).
>
>David



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 21 11:25:21 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:25:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7807@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

This should be a touch faster than Gustav's as it only uses one function
call vs. five.

SELECT Table1.TT
FROM Table1
ORDER BY IsNumeric([tt]), Table1.TT;

Here's the (abridged) output...

000
000
001
001
002
002
003
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012
...
995
996
997
998
999
1A1
1a1
1B2
a23
ZZZ

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mitsules, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:13 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
> that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
> legend...cha cha cha"
> 
> Thank you sir,
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:
> 
> .. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> 
> > Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining 
> > records reverted back to the way it was before...
> 
> > 001
> > .
> > 009
> > 00A
> > .
> > 00Z
> > 010
> > .
> > Etc...
> 
> 
> 
> > Mark
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> 
> > Hi Mark
> 
> >> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
> >> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
> >> 01A.
> 
> > Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.
> 
> > This should do:
> 
> >   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> 
> > /gustav
> 
> 
> >> You could do this SQL
> 
> >>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC
> 
> >> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> Greetings,
> 
> >>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> >>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> >>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> >>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> >>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> >>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> >>> into 7000000000.
> 
> >>> Example:
> >>> 000
> >>> 001
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>> 998
> >>> 999
> >>> 00A
> >>> 00B
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>> ZZZ
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 11:28:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:28:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <16235596795.20031021182859@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

You are welcome!

I knew about the "E" trap (say, 3E4 which is 30000) but I have never read about the
"D" trap which turns, say, 1D4 into 10000 (or 1E4).
It's easy to figure out it means 10^4 but where may that be
documented?? 

/gustav


> Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
> that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
> legend...cha cha cha"

> Thank you sir,


> Mark


From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 21 11:30:31 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:30:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123B6@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEKFHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Charlotte/Virginia,

 FYI I was just involved in another situation where Access hung at close.  A
DoCmd.Restore (I believe JC ran into this as well some time back for the
same reason) that involves a form with a subform.  With that one line of
code commented out, Access would exit fine.

 This should be appearing in the MSKB in the not too distant future as
Microsoft became involved and has the bug documented.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Stays Open


Access 2000 and XP are much less forgiving of undestroyed objects than
97.  Another difference is that a hidden form will keep the database
open when you try to quit, which is not the same behavior as 97.  Make
sure you explicitly destroy any object variables populated using the Set
keyword.  Also make sure that you use a full evaluation of things like
checkboxes in your code.  In other words, use

If Me.Checkbox = True Then

And not

If Me.Checkbox Then

Or else wrap the expression Me.Checkbox in parens to force an
evaluation.  Otherwise, Access can hang up on that issue as well.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open


I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the database, Access
remains open. Why is it doing this now? I seems to mostly happen when I
make some changes to the database.

Virginia
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 21 11:37:16 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:37:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7809@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I withdraw my suggestion. It does not handle nEn or nDn.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Heenan, Lambert [SMTP:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:25 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> This should be a touch faster than Gustav's as it only uses one function
> call vs. five.
> 
> SELECT Table1.TT
> FROM Table1
> ORDER BY IsNumeric([tt]), Table1.TT;
> 
> Here's the (abridged) output...
> 
> 000
> 000
> 001
> 001
> 002
> 002
> 003
> 004
> 005
> 006
> 007
> 008
> 009
> 010
> 011
> 012
> ...
> 995
> 996
> 997
> 998
> 999
> 1A1
> 1a1
> 1B2
> a23
> ZZZ
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Mitsules, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:13 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time
> ago
> > that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is
> a
> > legend...cha cha cha"
> > 
> > Thank you sir,
> > 
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Mark
> > 
> > Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:
> > 
> > .. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > > Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining 
> > > records reverted back to the way it was before...
> > 
> > > 001
> > > .
> > > 009
> > > 00A
> > > .
> > > 00Z
> > > 010
> > > .
> > > Etc...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Mark
> > 
> > >> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
> > >> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
> > >> 01A.
> > 
> > > Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.
> > 
> > > This should do:
> > 
> > >   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >> You could do this SQL
> > 
> > >>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > >> /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >>> Greetings,
> > 
> > >>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> > >>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort
> this 
> > >>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order
> before 
> > >>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> > >>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however,
> 
> > >>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning
> 7E9 
> > >>> into 7000000000.
> > 
> > >>> Example:
> > >>> 000
> > >>> 001
> > >>> .
> > >>> .
> > >>> 998
> > >>> 999
> > >>> 00A
> > >>> 00B
> > >>> .
> > >>> .
> > >>> ZZZ
> > 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 11:45:22 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:45:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEGFFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <018a01c397f2$b861e8d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Thank would be much appreciated.  I looked through it once and tried to do
the mod but failed.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


> I thought I'd modded his code and placed the modified version on my site.
> I'd have to look though.  I know I did modify it for my own use.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:50 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Andy:
>
> I use Tribble's relinker.  Is there a simple mod to his code which would
> accomplish this?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> > Absolutely endorse this. I've got a big MDB with lots of tables. It was
> > taking about 20 MINUTES to relink before I kept a pointer to the data
> > open. Now does it in 10-15 SECONDS. Massive difference.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Stuart Sanders
> > > Sent: 21 October 2003 11:06
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > Not necessarily true...
> > >
> > > For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a
> > > multiuser backend, maintaining an open db connection to the
> > > db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5 minute relink operation
> > > without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an open
> > > connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for
> > > each table to be relinked.
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
> > > > Andrew
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
> > > >
> > > > There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening
> > > > connections that I'm aware of.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > A
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear group,
> > > >
> > > > Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> > > > connection open shows the following figure.
> > > >
> > > > 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > > >      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
> > > >      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> > > > now 2 seconds
> > > >
> > > > 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > > >      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now
> > > 1 seconds
> > > >      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> > > > now 1 seconds
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections
> > > > after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> > > > those database
> > > > connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> > > > errors. But
> > > > reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> > > > currently use is
> > > >
> > > >    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
> > > >       Dim db as dao.databse
> > > >       Dim rs as dao.recordset
> > > >
> > > >       set db = currentdb()
> > > >
> > > >       > the works>
> > > >
> > > >       db.close
> > > >       rs.close
> > > >       set db = nothing
> > > >       set rs= nothing
> > > >    end function
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is
> > > it better to
> > > > dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> > > > function???????? so
> > > > in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
> > > >
> > > > Gr. marcel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Charlotte Foust"
> > > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > > > 20-10-2003 17:47:40
> > > >
> > > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >
> > > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > cc:
> > > >
> > > > Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name
> > > Autocorrect and
> > > > Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an
> > > > improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be
> > > turned off
> > > > in the backend.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear group,
> > > >
> > > > It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7
> > > > months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on
> > > so I would
> > > > like to ask
> > > > you the following.
> > > >
> > > > I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> > > > applications  distributed among several customers. All database use
> > > > DAO and have a FE
> > > >  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> > > >  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> > > >  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> > > > *  queries
> > > >  with only the data wich is used
> > > > - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> > > > eacht function
> > > > of module.
> > > > -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> > > > of work and I
> > > > do not know if i want to do this.
> > > >
> > > > But this all did not improved much.
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking about the following
> > > > - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> > > > performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am
> > > > missing something
> > > > - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> > > > controls on a
> > > > form. If I do this does this improve performance
> > > > - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> > > > of money and
> > > > the won?t be happy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions, ideas??
> > > > I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone
> > > experience, tips,
> > > > tricks in this.
> > > >
> > > > Thansk marcel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > > 19-10-2003
> > > > 06:32:54
> > > >
> > > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >
> > > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > cc:
> > > >
> > > > Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John - This article may be of benefit
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
> > > >
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> > > > microsoft.com: 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> > > > Move last, move
> > > > first. EOF and BOF are both false.
> > > >
> > > > Recordcount = -1
> > > >
> > > > What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 21 11:59:33 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:59:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD780A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Last word on this?  May or may not be faster than Gustav's but it (looks)
simpler (to me!), and it handles the E and D problem as well as sorting 00A
after 999...

SELECT Table1.TT
FROM Table1
ORDER BY IsNumeric([tt]) And Mid([TT],2,1) Not In ("D","E"), Table1.TT;

which has two function calls and two Boolean operators, giving this
output...



996
997
998
999
00a
00A
1A1
1a1
1B2
1D4
1d4
1e4
1E4
2e3
3d4
a23
ZZZ

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mitsules, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:39 PM
> To:	'Heenan, Lambert'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> Thank you Lambert, but this is turning out to be a "one-off".  I've
> decided
> to take Gustav's resulting query and turn it into a make-table
> query...then,
> I'll just use the newly created autonumber field for sorting purposes.
> But,
> at first glance, I would be expecting 00A after 999 and before 1A1...did I
> miss something in your approach?
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Cc: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> 
> This should be a touch faster than Gustav's as it only uses one function
> call vs. five.
> 
> SELECT Table1.TT
> FROM Table1
> ORDER BY IsNumeric([tt]), Table1.TT;
> 
> Here's the (abridged) output...
> 
> 000
> 000
> 001
> 001
> 002
> 002
> 003
> 004
> 005
> 006
> 007
> 008
> 009
> 010
> 011
> 012
> ...
> 995
> 996
> 997
> 998
> 999
> 1A1
> 1a1
> 1B2
> a23
> ZZZ
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Mitsules, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:13 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time 
> > ago that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like 
> > "Gustav is a legend...cha cha cha"
> > 
> > Thank you sir,
> > 
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Mark
> > 
> > Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:
> > 
> > .. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > > Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining
> > > records reverted back to the way it was before...
> > 
> > > 001
> > > .
> > > 009
> > > 00A
> > > .
> > > 00Z
> > > 010
> > > .
> > > Etc...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Mark
> > 
> > >> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right
> > >> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
> > >> 01A.
> > 
> > > Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.
> > 
> > > This should do:
> > 
> > >   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal 
> > > ASC
> > 
> > > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >> You could do this SQL
> > 
> > >>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > >> /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >>> Greetings,
> > 
> > >>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> > >>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort 
> > >>> this text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical 
> > >>> order before the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed 
> > >>> in ASCII sort order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in 
> > >>> Excel, however, Excel makes some startling decisions on its 
> > >>> own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.
> > 
> > >>> Example:
> > >>> 000
> > >>> 001
> > >>> .
> > >>> .
> > >>> 998
> > >>> 999
> > >>> 00A
> > >>> 00B
> > >>> .
> > >>> .
> > >>> ZZZ
> > 
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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Oct 21 12:08:37 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:08:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC6590B@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Excellent!  Thank you.

Paula Wright


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:19:12 -0400
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access XP
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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...uninstall the OfficeXP version ...then install OfficeXP Developer which
includes Office XP + Access + the developer utilities ...you can install
Developer over an existing Office but the chances of getting a bad install
are, ime, much higher ...HTH :)

William Hindman
"How can there possibly be liberty and justice for all,
when, in the name of justice, people claim rights to income,
food, housing, education, health care, transportation, ad
infinitum? We can't. Positive rights to receive such things,
absent an obligation to earn them, must violate others' liberty,
by taking some of their income without their consent. They are
really just wishes, convertible into benefits for some only by
employing the government to violate others' rights not to have
what is theirs taken." --Prof. Gary Galles of Pepperdine University



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 21 12:17:52 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:17:52 -0700
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
References: <OF52068BDA.632970D7-ONC1256DC6.0036D25E@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <3F956A40.7020404@shaw.ca>

 CurrentDb returns a *copy* of DBEngine(0)(0).  If you don't assign it 
to an object variable and then use that object, you're in danger of it 
going out of scope - thus invalidating any object that
points to it.
Actually, CurrentDb is somewhat inefficient because it validates all the
existing objects to create the copy.  This can be measurably slower than
just referencing DBEngine(0)(0) in databases that have thousands of objects.
I tend to use CurrentDb a lot because I'm lazy.  But in most cases, I'm
establishing a database object that the procedure references many times
(opening recordsets and the like).
However if you use wizards, access opens DBEngine(0)(1) and things can 
go a little awry.
Larry Linson had a long series of posts on this in 
comp.databases.ms-access a few years back on all the qualifications.

if you replace use of your persistent variable with a function
that returns an object of type database, and that passes a
reference to a persistent variable, you don't have to worry about
re-initializing your persistent variable (this was Michael Kaplan's
solution):

  Global dbCurr As DAO.Database

  Public Function dbCurrent() As DAO.Database
    If dbCurr Is Nothing Then
       Set dbCurr = CurrentDB()
    End If
    Set dbCurrent = dbCurr
  End Function

Then in code, you simply use dbCurrent ever time you would call
DBEngine(0)(0) or CurrentDB() or in place of any database
variables. Instead of:

  Dim tdf As TableDef

  For Each tdf in DBEngine(0)(0).TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  For Each tdf in CurrentDB().TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Dim db As DAO.Database

  Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
  For Each tdf in db.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set db = CurrentDB()
  For Each tdf in db.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set tdf = Nothing

you would use:

  Dim tdf As TableDef

  For Each tdf in dbCurrent.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set tdf = Nothing

You don't have to worry about anything at all. You will initialize
the global variable only when you need to, and the reference
returned will always be guaranteed to be accurate.


marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl wrote:

>Andrew,
>
>I noticed:-). I've got some work to do........
>Just a question. Can I declare the DB and current db globaly in a module or
>do I have to declare it in every class/module seperate?
>
>Thanks, marcel
>
>
>
>
>"Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>@databaseadvisors.com op
>21-10-2003 11:39:22
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
>I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
>There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening connections
>that I'm aware of.
>
>Cheers,
>A
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
>Dear group,
>
>Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
>connection open shows the following figure.
>
>10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>    Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>    Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds
>
>100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>    Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>    Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds
>
>
>In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections after
>use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those database
>connections open at a certain time the database gives memory errors. But
>reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
>currently use is
>
>   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>     Dim db as dao.databse
>     Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>     set db = currentdb()
>
>     > the works>
>
>     db.close
>     rs.close
>     set db = nothing
>     set rs= nothing
>   end function
>
>
>So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to dim
>the db as global-public variable and use this in each function???????? so
>in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
>Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
>20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>     <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>     <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
>Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement
>in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Dear group,
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
>took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
>you the following.
>
>I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
> distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
> and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
> with only the data wich is used
>- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
>of module.
>-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
>do not know if i want to do this.
>
>But this all did not improved much.
>
>I am thinking about the following
>- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
>performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
>something
>- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
>form. If I do this does this improve performance
>- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
>the won?t be happy.
>Any suggestions, ideas??
>I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
>tricks in this.
>
>Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>"dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
>06:32:54
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>    <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>    <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
>John - This article may be of benefit
>Dave
>
>PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
>
>80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move
>first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
>Recordcount = -1
>
>What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>_______________________________________________
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-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 12:27:48 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:27:48 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <3F956A40.7020404@shaw.ca>
References: <OF52068BDA.632970D7-ONC1256DC6.0036D25E@achmea.nl>
 <3F956A40.7020404@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <16939125619.20031021192748@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

> You don't have to worry about anything at all. You will initialize
> the global variable only when you need to, and the reference
> returned will always be guaranteed to be accurate.

Except when you make changes to, say, the TableDefs collection ...

Using DBEngine(0)(0) all you need is a Refresh but with a static
dbCurrent you'll get toasted.

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 12:38:45 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:38:45 -0700
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123BF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Remember though that DBEngine is faster but then you have to force a refresh to see the most current data.  CurrentDb refreshes automatically, which is one reason it's slower.  If you factor in the refresh, the speed is about comparable for either method.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


 CurrentDb returns a *copy* of DBEngine(0)(0).  If you don't assign it 
to an object variable and then use that object, you're in danger of it 
going out of scope - thus invalidating any object that
points to it.
Actually, CurrentDb is somewhat inefficient because it validates all the existing objects to create the copy.  This can be measurably slower than just referencing DBEngine(0)(0) in databases that have thousands of objects. I tend to use CurrentDb a lot because I'm lazy.  But in most cases, I'm establishing a database object that the procedure references many times (opening recordsets and the like). However if you use wizards, access opens DBEngine(0)(1) and things can 
go a little awry.
Larry Linson had a long series of posts on this in 
comp.databases.ms-access a few years back on all the qualifications.

if you replace use of your persistent variable with a function that returns an object of type database, and that passes a reference to a persistent variable, you don't have to worry about re-initializing your persistent variable (this was Michael Kaplan's
solution):

  Global dbCurr As DAO.Database

  Public Function dbCurrent() As DAO.Database
    If dbCurr Is Nothing Then
       Set dbCurr = CurrentDB()
    End If
    Set dbCurrent = dbCurr
  End Function

Then in code, you simply use dbCurrent ever time you would call
DBEngine(0)(0) or CurrentDB() or in place of any database variables. Instead of:

  Dim tdf As TableDef

  For Each tdf in DBEngine(0)(0).TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  For Each tdf in CurrentDB().TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Dim db As DAO.Database

  Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
  For Each tdf in db.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set db = CurrentDB()
  For Each tdf in db.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set tdf = Nothing

you would use:

  Dim tdf As TableDef

  For Each tdf in dbCurrent.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set tdf = Nothing

You don't have to worry about anything at all. You will initialize the global variable only when you need to, and the reference returned will always be guaranteed to be accurate.


marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl wrote:

>Andrew,
>
>I noticed:-). I've got some work to do........
>Just a question. Can I declare the DB and current db globaly in a 
>module or do I have to declare it in every class/module seperate?
>
>Thanks, marcel
>
>
>
>
>"Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>@databaseadvisors.com op 
>21-10-2003 11:39:22
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
>I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
>There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening 
>connections that I'm aware of.
>
>Cheers,
>A
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
>Dear group,
>
>Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the 
>connection open shows the following figure.
>
>10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>    Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>    Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds
>
>100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>    Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>    Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds
>
>
>In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections 
>after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those 
>database connections open at a certain time the database gives memory 
>errors. But reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The 
>structure I currently use is
>
>   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>     Dim db as dao.databse
>     Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>     set db = currentdb()
>
>     > the works>
>
>     db.close
>     rs.close
>     set db = nothing
>     set rs= nothing
>   end function
>
>
>So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to 
>dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each 
>function???????? so in each function i can remove the Dim db and 
>close.db???
>
>Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 
>20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>     <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>     <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and 
>Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an 
>improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off 
>in the backend.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Dear group,
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 
>months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would 
>like to ask you the following.
>
>I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 
>applications  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO 
>and have a FE  and BE. It works fine but know customers start 
>complaining about  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I 
>have
> - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
> with only the data wich is used
>- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
>of module.
>-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
>do not know if i want to do this.
>
>But this all did not improved much.
>
>I am thinking about the following
>- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve 
>performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am 
>missing something
>- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on 
>a form. If I do this does this improve performance
>- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money 
>and the won?t be happy. Any suggestions, ideas??
>I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
>tricks in this.
>
>Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>"dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003 
>06:32:54
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>    <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>    <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
>John - This article may be of benefit
>Dave
>
>PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft
>.com:
>
>80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, 
>move first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
>Recordcount = -1
>
>What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>
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>
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>
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 13:07:14 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <11234023102.20031021180245@cactus.dk>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
        <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
        <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
        <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747080.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <3230373214.20031021170155@cactus.dk>
        <34615.12.3.132.98.1066751542.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <11234023102.20031021180245@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <24009.12.3.132.98.1066759634.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I don't understand y it crashes. I thought about creating a macro in CSV
file that would convert format from 19871002 to 10021987, and then
transfer data to Access to throug access original transfer fields, but
that gets in the way of fiels such as "Mgr, International" that use coma.

This program seems to solve coma proble, but not apostraphe problem :--)

Private Sub Command14_Click()

 MsgBox ("hey")
 Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer

Set db = CurrentDb


If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
       'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with space
       strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)

        aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)


        'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(2),
"'", "''") & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
Replace01(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"
       'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2),
Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), Chr(39),
Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(4), Chr(39), Chr(39) +
Chr(39)) & "')"
        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" &
Replace(CStr(aRecord(2)), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" &
Replace(CStr(aRecord(3)), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" &
Replace(CStr(aRecord(4)), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "')"

        Debug.Print strSQL
        CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If
    MsgBox ("end")
End Sub
-----------------------------------------------------------



> Hi Oleg
>
> And what do the other records look like?
>
> /gustav
>
>> I don't think this will ever. Ok it doesn't give my ByRef error
>> anymore, it just crashes every time around the record 144 (??) All
>> other transfer forms work fine exsept in this in the original someone
>> jut had to put date in format 19860102....
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 21 13:13:55 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:13:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Upsize wizard in A2K
In-Reply-To: <200310211624.h9LGOI627178@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021130054.02600be8@pop3.highstream.net>

Mark,

It should be able to do it.  It maybe the setting for DRI on teh SQL Server 
side that is causing the problem.  I have not used the wizard in a long 
time because of the way it names things and the amount of fixing I have to 
do after it does its thing.  I prefer to get in there and get the foreign 
key, constraints, and so on named to a specific convention.  I use ERWin to 
move the structure from Access to SQL Server, Oracle, etc.  It is a high 
end entity relationship modeling tool.

If you want, send the empty database to me and I can reverse engineer it 
into ERWin and send you the DDL for SQL Server for it.

Robert

At 11:24 AM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:07:48 -0500
>From: "Mark Whittinghill" <mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard in A2K
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <006d01c397e5$17d8e060$2501a8c0 at PASCAL>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hi all,
>
>    I am using the A2K upsize wizard to SQL Server 2000.  It won't let me
>upsize cascade deletes in relationships, though SQL Server 2000 has that.
>I'm using SP-3 of Office 2K.  Is there anything I can do to upsize these, or
>do I need to reset those manually after upsizing.  If so, does A2002 upsize
>cascade deletes?
>
>Thanks
>
>Mark Whittinghill
>Symphony Information Services
>763-391-7400
>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue Oct 21 13:25:39 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:25:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0528@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Just got a new PC and now I've got to see what our setup guy left out.  First found (not found rather) is the ADO 2.6 help file (or any ADO help file for that matter).  I tried downloading and installing MDAC 2.6 but pressing F1 while the cursor is on the ADODB.Connection declaration tells me the file does not exist.  I tried downloading ado260.chm from a couple of sites but Access is still not recognizing them and opening the chm file directly shows the help file start page but no search results for any text entered.  Does anyone know how to get the ADO help files installed and recognized by Access (97)?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 13:30:02 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:30:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Documenting a Database
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509E017093@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV36q8QTiFQOd00007b1d@hotmail.com>

Hi Everyone!

I have a question that may have been mentioned before, but I honestly don't
remember seeing it anywhere for a long time.

I have a secured (via Access's security) database, with FE and BE, which I
need to fully document.  Yes, you can use the built in Documenter for all
the definitions of forms, etc., and it provides a lengthy, but complete,
definition of everything.  However, to have someone look at it without a
thorough explanation from myself, the Documenter's information tends to be,
how should I say this, uhhh, useless.

I would like to be able to show how all the forms are related through the
various menu's, table relationships with regard to forms and reports, etc.
Generally information that would give a person a reasonably good idea of how
it's laid out pictorially (pictures are worth a thousand words, you know...)
so when examining the underlying code, a person could better understand how
everything interacts.

Hmm.  Maybe I need it for ME...<vbg>...too.

Of course, cost enters the picture too.  I'd like something FREE, but
usually when you get something FREE, functionality becomes very very
limited.  Free and useless won't help me much.  Take the built in Documenter
for example...;)

This Database is currently written in A97, but will soon be migrated into
AXP.  However, I guess the documenting will apply in either case similarly.

Does anyone know of a program or utility that does this?  Or even comes
close to it?

Thanks!

Greg Smith
Weeden1949 at hotmail.com

From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 21 13:31:50 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:31:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <200310211624.h9LGOI627178@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021131632.025f1878@pop3.highstream.net>

Guys,

Just a thought, why not limit it using 2 different queries.
The first one would hold the numerics sorted correctly.
The second one would hold the alphanumerics sorted correctly.
Then, do a union between them.  There is nothing you can
do that will cause it to sort the way you are looking at
within one query.

SELECT *
FROM TT
WHERE Asc(Mid(TheField)) < 64
ORDER BY TheField

And

SELECT *
FROM TT
WHERE Asc(Mid(TheField)) > 64
ORDER BY TheField

Then:

SELECT * from Query1
UNION ALL
SELECT * FROM Query2

This should work in theory.

Robert

At 11:24 AM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:26:32 -0500
>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273AA at main2.marlow.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Do a double sort.  Create another field, which is the VAL of your data.
>Sort that descending, and if the val=0 then set it to 1000, that put's it
>after the other numeric numbers, then sort alphabetically.
>
>Drew



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 13:32:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:32:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <24009.12.3.132.98.1066759634.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
 <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
 <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747080.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <3230373214.20031021170155@cactus.dk>
 <34615.12.3.132.98.1066751542.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <11234023102.20031021180245@cactus.dk>
 <24009.12.3.132.98.1066759634.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <12443017756.20031021203240@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

There's no easy solution to this. Either manual editing is needed or
let your function ignore records in error, then try to locate the
records in error afterwards and correct manually.

/gustav


> I don't understand y it crashes. I thought about creating a macro in CSV
> file that would convert format from 19871002 to 10021987, and then
> transfer data to Access to throug access original transfer fields, but
> that gets in the way of fiels such as "Mgr, International" that use coma.


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Tue Oct 21 13:38:02 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:08:02 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <016801c39802$9889f380$e2edf73d@winxp>

Mark,

    Could you kindly try the following and let me know -

    Let table T_Sort have a field SVAL (text type), containing  the alphanumeric values. In query design window, create two fields: 
    (a) First field named F1(calculated field) with the formula -
F1: IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL], 2,1)), "A","B")
    (b) Second field  SVAL
    Sort order for both fields may be set to ascending.

    SQL string for the above query is given below -

SELECT IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B") AS F1, T_Sort.SVAL
FROM T_Sort
ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B"), T_Sort.SVAL
WITH OWNERACCESS OPTION;

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mitsules, Mark 
  To: '[AccessD]' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 19:28
  Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


  Greetings,

  I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
  combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
  field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
  remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
  suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
  startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

  Example:
  000
  001
  .
  .
  998
  999
  00A
  00B
  .
  .
  ZZZ


  Mark Mitsules
  Senior Designer
  Department E13
  Submarine Electrical Engineering
  Northrop Grumman Newport News
  757.380.3376


From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 13:39:34 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:39:34 -0600
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <Sea2-F7kcDj6QqW9F0q00001859@hotmail.com>

Even worse, if you refresh the global while a procedure in the call stack 
uses the same global and there has been a change in the collections, you are 
open to some bizarre results.  Running a Workspaces transaction in 97 seems 
to leave a previously initialized global database variable as an object but 
not pointing to a database.  I had to rewrite a fair bit of old code when I 
started using transactions since I was getting errors from using a global 
database object.  For my first couple of years with Access I was quite happy 
with a Global database variable, the performance it provided, and the fact 
that I didn't need to dimension, open, close and set to nothing in a great 
many procedures.  I never did find out exactly why transactions caused me so 
much difficulty and it is possible it was merely because I didn't start with 
a separate database object.  That experience did awaken my awareness of the 
potential consequences of nested procedures potentially resetting a variable 
alive and in use in another which is of course, the basis for most 
objections to Global variables.  I never did finally determine the exact 
cause of the wayward database objects as I saw the advantage of 
circumventing the issue sooner than I could determine the cause.

Hen


>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:27:48 +0200
>
>Hi Marty
>
> > You don't have to worry about anything at all. You will initialize
> > the global variable only when you need to, and the reference
> > returned will always be guaranteed to be accurate.
>
>Except when you make changes to, say, the TableDefs collection ...
>
>Using DBEngine(0)(0) all you need is a Refresh but with a static
>dbCurrent you'll get toasted.
>
>/gustav

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 21 13:58:19 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:58:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Documenting a Database
In-Reply-To: <BAY8-DAV36q8QTiFQOd00007b1d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMECLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Greg:
There are a number of utilities for this, some are free. You should be able
to google them up. I use FMS Total Access Analyzer. It has features galore
and they offer tech support via their public FMS forums.

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Greg Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Documenting a Database
>
>
> Hi Everyone!
>
> I have a question that may have been mentioned before, but I
> honestly don't
> remember seeing it anywhere for a long time.
>
> I have a secured (via Access's security) database, with FE and BE, which I
> need to fully document.  Yes, you can use the built in Documenter for all
> the definitions of forms, etc., and it provides a lengthy, but complete,
> definition of everything.  However, to have someone look at it without a
> thorough explanation from myself, the Documenter's information
> tends to be,
> how should I say this, uhhh, useless.
>
> I would like to be able to show how all the forms are related through the
> various menu's, table relationships with regard to forms and reports, etc.
> Generally information that would give a person a reasonably good
> idea of how
> it's laid out pictorially (pictures are worth a thousand words,
> you know...)
> so when examining the underlying code, a person could better
> understand how
> everything interacts.
>
> Hmm.  Maybe I need it for ME...<vbg>...too.
>
> Of course, cost enters the picture too.  I'd like something FREE, but
> usually when you get something FREE, functionality becomes very very
> limited.  Free and useless won't help me much.  Take the built in
> Documenter
> for example...;)
>
> This Database is currently written in A97, but will soon be migrated into
> AXP.  However, I guess the documenting will apply in either case
> similarly.
>
> Does anyone know of a program or utility that does this?  Or even comes
> close to it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg Smith
> Weeden1949 at hotmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>
>



From fbtanner at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 14:18:56 2003
From: fbtanner at yahoo.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
Message-ID: <20031021191856.52652.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
Marketing department has tasked me with creating a
database/questionnaire for our customers.

In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
has a specific customer number, however, based upon
how many items that they purchased on their most
recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.

My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
Obviously, their customer info should be the same.

Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you.

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 21 14:19:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:19:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
Message-ID: <20031021191904.52695.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
Marketing department has tasked me with creating a
database/questionnaire for our customers.

In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
has a specific customer number, however, based upon
how many items that they purchased on their most
recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.

My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
Obviously, their customer info should be the same.

Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you.

From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 21 14:22:38 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:22:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C80@EXCHMAIL>

Mark, how about:

SELECT Table1.Field1
FROM Table1
ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([Field1]),0,1), Table1.Field1;


IT gives me:

Field1
000
001
002
003
004
005
006
007
008
009
998
999
00A
00B
ZZZ

-----Original Message-----

  From: Mitsules, Mark 
  To: '[AccessD]' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 19:28
  Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


  Greetings,

  I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
  combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
  field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
  remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
  suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
  startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

  Example:
  000
  001
  .
  .
  998
  999
  00A
  00B
  .
  .
  ZZZ


  Mark Mitsules

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 14:28:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:28:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A4@nnse14.nns.com>

A.D.Tejpal,

Yes, this approach works.  Well done:)


Thank you,

Mark
(Although it is not an issue, it is too bad I don't have a timer utility
built to test the solutions that work.)





-----Original Message-----
From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mark,

    Could you kindly try the following and let me know -

    Let table T_Sort have a field SVAL (text type), containing  the
alphanumeric values. In query design window, create two fields: 
    (a) First field named F1(calculated field) with the formula -
F1: IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL], 2,1)), "A","B")
    (b) Second field  SVAL
    Sort order for both fields may be set to ascending.

    SQL string for the above query is given below -

SELECT IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B") AS F1,
T_Sort.SVAL FROM T_Sort ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And
IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B"), T_Sort.SVAL WITH OWNERACCESS OPTION;

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mitsules, Mark 
  To: '[AccessD]' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 19:28
  Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


  Greetings,

  I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
  combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
  field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
  remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
  suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
  startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

  Example:
  000
  001
  .
  .
  998
  999
  00A
  00B
  .
  .
  ZZZ


  Mark Mitsules
  Senior Designer
  Department E13
  Submarine Electrical Engineering
  Northrop Grumman Newport News
  757.380.3376

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From shait at mindspring.com  Tue Oct 21 14:48:25 2003
From: shait at mindspring.com (Stephen Hait)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
In-Reply-To: <20031021191904.52695.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F955549.424.8E1D4F3@localhost>


> In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
> has a specific customer number, however, based upon
> how many items that they purchased on their most
> recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
> times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
> time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.
> 
> My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
> multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
> of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
> Obviously, their customer info should be the same.

One thought is to use queries to create 2 new tables. One could 
contain customer id and info and include one row for each 
distinct customer. The other could contain the items purchased 
with one row for every item along with the customer id stored in 
the customer table. 

This might resolve your issue and the result would be a more 
normalized way of storing the data (i.e., you would not have the 
customer info repeated as it sounds like you do now.)

HTH,
Stephen

From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 14:48:59 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:48:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F105ljBOh8s4KW00020af2@hotmail.com>

Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the table 
itself, from number to text?

Thanks,
Gina

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Oct 21 14:52:51 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:52:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71AF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

This is mostlyu due to not properly closing object (recordset etc...) in
your code.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Andy Lacey
Verzonden: dinsdag 21 oktober 2003 17:34
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Access Stays Open


Virginia
Could it be this?

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;246953&Product=a
cc

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: 21 October 2003 13:01
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
> 
> 
> I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the
> database, Access remains open. Why is it doing this now? I 
> seems to mostly happen when I make some changes to the database.
> 
> Virginia
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 15:12:47 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:12:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A7@nnse14.nns.com>

Frank,

Do the purchases or number of purchase have any bearing on the number or
types of questions in the questionnaire?  I'm curious why you are dealing
with sales detail records.  It seems like you should have access to the
"Customers" table...or at least a copy or subset of that table.



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:fbtanner at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:19 PM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question


Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
Marketing department has tasked me with creating a database/questionnaire
for our customers.

In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
has a specific customer number, however, based upon
how many items that they purchased on their most
recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.

My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
Obviously, their customer info should be the same.

Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly appreciated.  Thank
you. _______________________________________________
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Oct 21 15:20:57 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:20:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Upsize wizard in A2K
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021130054.02600be8@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <003501c39810$d6b63570$2501a8c0@PASCAL>

The DRI looks fine to me on the SQL Server side.  I only upsized the table
structure and am using DTS to import the data.  This is kind of a one-off,
so it's quicker to finish it manually with what I know.  Thanks for the
offer, but I already have the structure done and am in the middle of the
imports.  I'll look into ERWin, though, cuz I'm going to be doing more of
this in the future.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
763-391-7400
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: <mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Upsize wizard in A2K


> Mark,
>
> It should be able to do it.  It maybe the setting for DRI on teh SQL
Server
> side that is causing the problem.  I have not used the wizard in a long
> time because of the way it names things and the amount of fixing I have to
> do after it does its thing.  I prefer to get in there and get the foreign
> key, constraints, and so on named to a specific convention.  I use ERWin
to
> move the structure from Access to SQL Server, Oracle, etc.  It is a high
> end entity relationship modeling tool.
>
> If you want, send the empty database to me and I can reverse engineer it
> into ERWin and send you the DDL for SQL Server for it.
>
> Robert
>
> At 11:24 AM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:07:48 -0500
> >From: "Mark Whittinghill" <mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard in A2K
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID: <006d01c397e5$17d8e060$2501a8c0 at PASCAL>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >    I am using the A2K upsize wizard to SQL Server 2000.  It won't let me
> >upsize cascade deletes in relationships, though SQL Server 2000 has that.
> >I'm using SP-3 of Office 2K.  Is there anything I can do to upsize these,
or
> >do I need to reset those manually after upsizing.  If so, does A2002
upsize
> >cascade deletes?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Mark Whittinghill
> >Symphony Information Services
> >763-391-7400
> >mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 21 15:20:53 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:20:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
In-Reply-To: <3F955549.424.8E1D4F3@localhost>
Message-ID: <20031021202053.38832.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

This would work, except that I have to fill a single
text box/memo field with this combined information.

The Form that this has to go into is a "paper
questionnaire" form replacement.  Meaning they have to
read and fill out various pieces of information on it,
just as if they were filling out a paper form.  The
field in question, they will be reading back to a
customer the list of products they have recently
purchased.  Such as, " Hello Mr. So and So.  I see you
have recently purchased boogers and snot from us
recently.  Were you satisafied with the products and
services that we provided you?  If not, please tell me
why not."  Where boogers and snot were the items that
they purchased.  Each of these would have a seperate
record in the table tied to the same customer number
and invoice number.

--- Stephen Hait <shait at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> > In the data that I am going to be given, each
> customer
> > has a specific customer number, however, based
> upon
> > how many items that they purchased on their most
> > recent invoice, they might be in the table
> multiple
> > times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
> > time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.
> > 
> > My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
> > multiple entries into a single entry concatinating
> all
> > of the non-matching data.  Such as items
> purchased. 
> > Obviously, their customer info should be the same.
> 
> One thought is to use queries to create 2 new
> tables. One could 
> contain customer id and info and include one row for
> each 
> distinct customer. The other could contain the items
> purchased 
> with one row for every item along with the customer
> id stored in 
> the customer table. 
> 
> This might resolve your issue and the result would
> be a more 
> normalized way of storing the data (i.e., you would
> not have the 
> customer info repeated as it sounds like you do
> now.)
> 
> HTH,
> Stephen
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 15:26:30 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:26:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A8@nnse14.nns.com>

> Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the
table itself, from number to text?



I found this post...hope it helps (and is correct...).


Mark

-----------------------------------------
From: Van T. Dinh     
Date: 08-07-03 15:01
Subject: Re: Access field.type change    
-----------------------------------------
IIRC, even when you change the Field Type through the GUI, Access / Jet
actually creates a new Field, updates the new Field with converted values
from the old Field, delete old Field and then re-name the new Field to the
old name.

Thus if you want to change the Field Type by code, you will have to follow
the same process.

--
HTH
Van T. Dinh
MVP (Access)
-----------------------------------------

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 21 15:30:31 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A7@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <20031021203031.40450.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

No.  There are only two questionnaires.  Active
customers and inactive customers.

Anyone that has purchased within the last 12 months in
an active customer.  Anything over that is an
inactive.

The forms themselves are not dynamic in which
questions they ask.  The only dynamic part of the form
is the contact information and the items that they
purchased.  Which is what we're trying to distill down
to one record per customer.

A customer may have purchased one, two, three, or more
items in their last purchased.  The program (SAP) that
is used o invoice the customers creates a distinct row
for each item purchased, but the customer info and the
invoice number all match.  So, based on the customer
info and the invoice number I need to distill all
records, for that particular purchase, into one record
with the non-matching items, like the purchased items
descriptions, concatenated into one field in the
record.

Basically, turn.

Joe   11911     vaccuum
Joe   11911     cleaner
Joe   11911     duster

Into....

Joe   11911     vacuum, duster, cleaner

--- "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com> wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> Do the purchases or number of purchase have any
> bearing on the number or
> types of questions in the questionnaire?  I'm
> curious why you are dealing
> with sales detail records.  It seems like you should
> have access to the
> "Customers" table...or at least a copy or subset of
> that table.
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:fbtanner at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:19 PM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
> 
> 
> Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
> Marketing department has tasked me with creating a
> database/questionnaire
> for our customers.
> 
> In the data that I am going to be given, each
> customer
> has a specific customer number, however, based upon
> how many items that they purchased on their most
> recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
> times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
> time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.
> 
> My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
> multiple entries into a single entry concatinating
> all
> of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
> Obviously, their customer info should be the same.
> 
> Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank
> you. _______________________________________________
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 15:36:03 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:36:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F125C5EtrUVYKk00020a48@hotmail.com>

Thank you, Mark.  I must have used the wrong words in my archive search.  I 
think the solution offered in Van's post is the way I'll have to go.

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


>Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the
table itself, from number to text?



I found this post...hope it helps (and is correct...).


Mark

-----------------------------------------
From: Van T. Dinh
Date: 08-07-03 15:01
Subject: Re: Access field.type change
-----------------------------------------
IIRC, even when you change the Field Type through the GUI, Access / Jet 
actually creates a new Field, updates the new Field with converted values 
from the old Field, delete old Field and then re-name the new Field to the 
old name.

Thus if you want to change the Field Type by code, you will have to follow 
the same process.

--
HTH
Van T. Dinh
MVP (Access)
-----------------------------------------

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 15:44:19 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:44:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A9@nnse14.nns.com>

Sorry Gina, I didn't mean to imply that it came from our archives.  That
post was found here: http://dbforums.com/t876014.html during a Google search
over the entire web.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:36 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


Thank you, Mark.  I must have used the wrong words in my archive search.  I 
think the solution offered in Van's post is the way I'll have to go.

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


>Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the
table itself, from number to text?



I found this post...hope it helps (and is correct...).


Mark

-----------------------------------------
From: Van T. Dinh
Date: 08-07-03 15:01
Subject: Re: Access field.type change
-----------------------------------------
IIRC, even when you change the Field Type through the GUI, Access / Jet 
actually creates a new Field, updates the new Field with converted values 
from the old Field, delete old Field and then re-name the new Field to the 
old name.

Thus if you want to change the Field Type by code, you will have to follow 
the same process.

--
HTH
Van T. Dinh
MVP (Access)
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 15:54:15 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:54:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing
In-Reply-To: <24009.12.3.132.98.1066759634.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <20031021205415.9895.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com>

Good Afternoon,
 
I have the following code in Access XP, behind a button.  I am trying to print the screen to the default printer in landscape.
 
Dim rpt As Printer
    
    Application.Printer = Application.Printers(0)
    
    With rpt
        .BottomMargin = 720
        .Copies = 1
        .Duplex = acPRDPVertical 'Double sided
        .PaperBin = acPRBNLargeCapacity
        .Orientation = acPRORPortrait
    End With
    DoCmd.PrintOut acPrintAll, 1, 1, acHigh, 1, True
    Set Application.Printer = Nothing
 
I get the error "Object with Block Variable not set " on the .BottomMargin line.
 
Does any one know how to fix this?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 15:55:51 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:55:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F31zLfyBeVEI6e00010a94@hotmail.com>

Oh good, that makes me feel better. :)

Gina


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


Sorry Gina, I didn't mean to imply that it came from our archives.  That 
post was found here: http://dbforums.com/t876014.html during a Google search 
over the entire web.


Mark


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From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:36 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


Thank you, Mark.  I must have used the wrong words in my archive search.  I
think the solution offered in Van's post is the way I'll have to go.

Gina

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 16:08:23 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:08:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Sorting Alpha-Numerics - SOLVED:
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8AA@nnse14.nns.com>

Three approaches were presented that worked according to my criteria.  All 3
were 'one query' solutions.  No speed comparisons were run between them.

---------------------------------
PROBLEM
---------------------------------
I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.


---------------------------------
SOLUTIONS
---------------------------------
Gustav Brock:
SELECT tblCodes.fldCode
FROM tblCodes
ORDER BY abs(StrComp(tblCodes.fldCode, Right("00" &
Cstr(Val(tblCodes.fldCode)), 3), 1)), tblCodes.fldCode;


A.D.Tejpal:
SELECT IIf(IsNumeric([fldCode]) And IsNumeric(Mid([fldCode],2,1)),"A","B")
AS F1, tblCodes.fldCode
FROM tblCodes
ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([fldCode]) And
IsNumeric(Mid([fldCode],2,1)),"A","B"), tblCodes.fldCode
WITH OWNERACCESS OPTION;


Lambert Heenan:
SELECT tblCodes.fldCode
FROM tblCodes
ORDER BY IsNumeric([fldCode]) And Mid([fldCode],2,1) Not In ("D","E"),
tblCodes.fldCode;
---------------------------------

From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Oct 21 16:26:23 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:26:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A8@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEMDEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Based on our work on the Back End Upgrader, in order to change a data type
thru code you will need to create a new field, move the data to the new
field, delete the original field, and rename the new field.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
>
>
> > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the
> table itself, from number to text?
>
>
>
> I found this post...hope it helps (and is correct...).
>
>
> Mark
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: Van T. Dinh
> Date: 08-07-03 15:01
> Subject: Re: Access field.type change
> -----------------------------------------
> IIRC, even when you change the Field Type through the GUI, Access / Jet
> actually creates a new Field, updates the new Field with converted values
> from the old Field, delete old Field and then re-name the new Field to the
> old name.
>
> Thus if you want to change the Field Type by code, you will have to follow
> the same process.
>
> --
> HTH
> Van T. Dinh
> MVP (Access)
> -----------------------------------------
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 16:46:17 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:46:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3E9@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Just a couple of observations.  You dim rpt as printer but you never
populate the object variable, so I'm not surprised by the error you're
getting.  It's absolutely factual - you haven't set the rpt as any
object, you just declared it.  Duplexing printers generally do not allow
a 1/2" bottom margin because they use a wider margin in order to grab
the paper.  You appear to be setting the orientation to portrait, not
landscape and the margin affected by duplexing is at the bottom of the
portrait page (right margin in landscape).

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing


Good Afternoon,
 
I have the following code in Access XP, behind a button.  I am trying to
print the screen to the default printer in landscape.
 
Dim rpt As Printer
    
    Application.Printer = Application.Printers(0)
    
    With rpt
        .BottomMargin = 720
        .Copies = 1
        .Duplex = acPRDPVertical 'Double sided
        .PaperBin = acPRBNLargeCapacity
        .Orientation = acPRORPortrait
    End With
    DoCmd.PrintOut acPrintAll, 1, 1, acHigh, 1, True
    Set Application.Printer = Nothing
 
I get the error "Object with Block Variable not set " on the
.BottomMargin line.
 
Does any one know how to fix this?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 21 17:02:27 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:02:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
In-Reply-To: <20031021191904.52695.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F963993.16497.1F5221@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 12:19, Frank Tanner III wrote:

> Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
> Marketing department has tasked me with creating a
> database/questionnaire for our customers.
> 
> In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
> has a specific customer number, however, based upon
> how many items that they purchased on their most
> recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
> times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
> time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.
> 
> My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
> multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
> of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
> Obviously, their customer info should be the same.
> 
> Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you.

Use a query which consolidates the common data using a GroupBy and a 
function to create the concatenated data 

ie 
Select Distinct CustomerID, CustomerName, ProductList(CustomerID) 
from SalesData 
Group By CustomerID, CustomerName

and write a function like:

Function ProductList(CustomerID) as String
Dim rs as Recordset
Dim strSQL as String
Dim strProducts as String
strSQL = "Select Itemname from SalesData " _ 
          &  "Where CustomerID = " & CustomerID 
              
Set rs = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
With rs
    While not .EOF
         strProducts = strProducts and ", " & !Itemname
    Wend
End With
Set rs = Nothing
sProductList = Mid$(strProducts,3)
End Function

 
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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Tue Oct 21 17:14:14 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:14:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0528@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c39820$a956a870$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

Jim - the following might help

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/Articles/q249/0/65.asp&NoWebContent=1

Dave


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From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
To: "AccessD (E-mail)" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file


Just got a new PC and now I've got to see what our setup guy left out.
First found (not found rather) is the ADO 2.6 help file (or any ADO help
file for that matter).  I tried downloading and installing MDAC 2.6 but
pressing F1 while the cursor is on the ADODB.Connection declaration tells me
the file does not exist.  I tried downloading ado260.chm from a couple of
sites but Access is still not recognizing them and opening the chm file
directly shows the help file start page but no search results for any text
entered.  Does anyone know how to get the ADO help files installed and
recognized by Access (97)?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 18:15:12 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:15:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing
References: <20031021205415.9895.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a501c39829$2dab54b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Dale

...maybe I'm missing something here ...your post says you're trying to print
in Landscape ...your code says Portrait?
...on your designated printer, would that make your bottom margin an invalid
setting?

William Hindman
"How can there possibly be liberty and justice for all,
when, in the name of justice, people claim rights to income,
food, housing, education, health care, transportation, ad
infinitum? We can't. Positive rights to receive such things,
absent an obligation to earn them, must violate others' liberty,
by taking some of their income without their consent. They are
really just wishes, convertible into benefits for some only by
employing the government to violate others' rights not to have
what is theirs taken." --Prof. Gary Galles of Pepperdine University

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale Kalsow" <dkalsow at yahoo.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing


> Good Afternoon,
>
> I have the following code in Access XP, behind a button.  I am trying to
print the screen to the default printer in landscape.
>
> Dim rpt As Printer
>
>     Application.Printer = Application.Printers(0)
>
>     With rpt
>         .BottomMargin = 720
>         .Copies = 1
>         .Duplex = acPRDPVertical 'Double sided
>         .PaperBin = acPRBNLargeCapacity
>         .Orientation = acPRORPortrait
>     End With
>     DoCmd.PrintOut acPrintAll, 1, 1, acHigh, 1, True
>     Set Application.Printer = Nothing
>
> I get the error "Object with Block Variable not set " on the .BottomMargin
line.
>
> Does any one know how to fix this?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Dale
>
>
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Oct 21 18:41:46 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:11:46 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46C@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 19:05:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems irrelevant
if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a "fuzzy
logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
"out the door, no parachute")?

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 21 19:13:19 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:13:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0528@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <00c801c39820$a956a870$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>
Message-ID: <3F95CB9F.7060304@shaw.ca>

or this
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;295194

Don't worry it gets worse. The new SDK for MDAC installs ado270.hxs It 
has entries covering 2.8.
It is only accessible  through the desktop SDK program menu or if you 
install FAR help or you have visual studio .net installed


I don't think the chm file type, compiled help existed when Access 97 
was brought out
I just use a desktop shortcut to the file ado260.chm. I have about 5 
like this, for various help files like xml.
To get to the desktop shortcuts quickly I use the Window-M Key

To get it to work with Access XP and ado260.chm

    1. Install MDAC 2..6 SDK, which contains the help files themselves
(ado260.chm & ado260.chi)
    2. Copy said files to the appropriate help folder (v.g.,
C:\WINDOWS\Help) to enable context-sensitive help in the VBA IDE (v.g.,
select an item in the Object Browser and hit F1).

dave sharpe wrote:

>Jim - the following might help
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/Articles/q249/0/65.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>Dave
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
>To: "AccessD (E-mail)" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:25 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
>
>
>Just got a new PC and now I've got to see what our setup guy left out.
>First found (not found rather) is the ADO 2.6 help file (or any ADO help
>file for that matter).  I tried downloading and installing MDAC 2.6 but
>pressing F1 while the cursor is on the ADODB.Connection declaration tells me
>the file does not exist.  I tried downloading ado260.chm from a couple of
>sites but Access is still not recognizing them and opening the chm file
>directly shows the help file start page but no search results for any text
>entered.  Does anyone know how to get the ADO help files installed and
>recognized by Access (97)?
>
>Thanks,
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 19:20:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:20:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

John, 

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Tue Oct 21 19:25:48 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:25:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <51030-220031032202548297@christopherhawkins.com>

Good lord.  Different by up to 2 characters per digit?  That would
yield a range of results so large as to be useless.

That said, I would make the assumption that no more than one typo per
SSN was likely to be made.  That measn only one of the three SSN
chunks is likely to be wrong, while the otehr two are correct.

Then I would do three searches and UNION the results.

For example, given keyed input of 987-65-4321...

Search 1:  SELECT FirstName, LastName, SSN FROM tblBLah WHERE SSN
Like *-65-4321

Search 2:  SELECT FirstName, LastName, SSN FROM tblBlah WHERE SSN
Like 987-*-4321

Search 3:  SELECT FirstName, LastName, SSN FROM tblBlah WHERE SSN
Like 987-65-*

You could keep the search results in a temp table (slow) or a bunch
of recordsets (still slow, but less so).  Then take the results of
all three searches and UNION SELECT them to come up with a master
list of SSNs that are somewhat similar.

You might want to do all this searching in a dll outside the Access
environment for the sake of speed.

This is completely off the top of my head, on the fly, spur of the
moment, what have you.  Please feel free to blast holes in my idea.

-Christopher-



---- Original Message ----
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400

>My client is having difficulties where the data input people are 
>entering
>duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's 
>asked how
>difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems 
>irrelevant
>if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a 
>"fuzzy
>logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I 
>don't
>even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas 
>(other than
>"out the door, no parachute")?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 19:29:29 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:29:29 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infost
 at.local>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031022132602.00b98d38@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Perhaps a loop that compares each position in the SSN between the search 
item and each database record.  If there are x number of position matches 
then include the client in the list of possible records.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205

At 21/10/2003, Charlotte wrote:
>John,
>
>I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
>The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
>offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
>soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
>"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
>with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
>mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
>how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
>characters?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
>To: AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>
>
>My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
>entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
>asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
>(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
>would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
>to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
>that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 21 19:30:40 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:30:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>
 <16235596795.20031021182859@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3F95CFB0.9060504@shaw.ca>

Here is a start.

http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/migrating-va.html

 I think, this has to do with different mantissa lengths on different 
platforms. I have seen it used in Fortran and Oracle. Oracle has an 
option NOG_Float. If your C  program uses the D-floating format for 
floating-point data, you should compile with the NOG_FLOAT qualifier. 
This forces SQL to convert the double-precision data in the database 
from the G-floating format used by Oracle Rdb to the D-floating format 
used by C, and vice versa.

I wonder what happens on the new Win 64 bit platforms?

The VAX architecture defined two different "double precision" represen-
tations:  The original D_FLOAT (inherited from PDP-11's), and the newer
G_FLOAT.  They differ in the assignment of bits to mantissa and
exponent: G_FLOAT moved three bits from the mantissa to the exponent, so
you get a much wider dynamic range at the expense of a few less bits of
precision.  This change was made because it turned out that the greater
dynamic range was more useful than the extra couple of bits.

 more significant problem due to the change to G_float can occur in 
programs which, intentionally or unintentionally, pass single-precision 
(REAL*4) values as arguments to routines which declare the argument as 
REAL*8. This often goes unnoticed when an F_float value is interpreted 
as D_float, as the two datatypes have the same format in the first 32 
bits. But when an F_float is interpreted as a G_float, the value read 
will be wildly different. For example, an F_float 1.0 is interpreted as 
128.0 in G_float! The most common case for this type mismatch, which is 
a programming error, is when a REAL*4 constant such as 1.0 or 2.3E0 is 
passed to a REAL*8 argument. To ensure that the datatype of a constant 
is REAL*8, use the D exponent letter, for example 3.14D0, or use a 
PARAMETER constant which is declared as REAL*8. If the caller and callee 
are compiled together, the AXP compiler will warn about type mismatches 
if WARNINGS=ARGUMENT_CHECKING is specified on the compile command line.



Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Mark
>
>You are welcome!
>
>I knew about the "E" trap (say, 3E4 which is 30000) but I have never read about the
>"D" trap which turns, say, 1D4 into 10000 (or 1E4).
>It's easy to figure out it means 10^4 but where may that be
>documented?? 
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
>>that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
>>legend...cha cha cha"
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Thank you sir,
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Mark
>>    
>>
>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 19:31:10 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:31:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001001c39833$cc40aad0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

The names aren't consistent either? What's he using as a primary key? I
think you have more problems than incorrect ss#. :(

Susan H.


> My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
> duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
> difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
> if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
> logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
> even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
> "out the door, no parachute")?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 19:32:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:32:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 21 19:33:08 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:33:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C87@EXCHMAIL>

I was going to recommend soundex on the names as well. Soundex is pretty cool, but also makes some matches that are not that close.

It sounds like someone is using natural keys where they shouldn't be? :P
 
(that might start a war)

Maybe they can search for duplicate claims for a given address, name or type of injury and name? 

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John, 

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 21 19:19:02 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:19:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
In-Reply-To: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEMDEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A8@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3F9594B6.5141.18CA963@localhost>


> > -----Original Message-----

> > > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in
> > > the
> > table itself, from number to text?

On 21 Oct 2003 at 16:26, Reuben Cummings wrote:

> Based on our work on the Back End Upgrader, in order to change a 
data
> type thru code you will need to create a new field, move the data 
to
> the new field, delete the original field, and rename the new field.


Um, you aren't going to believe this Reuben but:

In A2K, with DAO referenced you can use ALTER TABLE to do it:

Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database

Set db = CurrentDb()
strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Table1 ALTER COLUMN fldText CHAR(10);"

db.Execute (strSQL)

Set db = Nothing

Where CHAR(10) indicated that it is being changed to a text field 
with a length of 10 characters.

In my test fldText started out as a Long Integer field.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Never let a computer see you hurry.



From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 21 19:36:41 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:36:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C88@EXCHMAIL>

Its an MS SQL function. Open QA, type in SOUNDEX, high light the word and press SHIFT+F1. Helps covers it a bit.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Oct 21 19:49:04 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:19:04 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46E@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

I found/wrote a VBA equivalent a while ago.. Will see if I can find it.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: David McAfee [mailto:DMcAfee at haascnc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Its an MS SQL function. Open QA, type in SOUNDEX, high light the word and
press SHIFT+F1. Helps covers it a bit.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 19:58:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:58:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <001001c39833$cc40aad0$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHNFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

lol.

This is MY database, and I am using an autonumber for the PK of course.  I
think what you are trying to ask is what am I using for the unique index,
and the answer is the SSN.  And yes, I have been party to the SSN debate
before.

In the end, you can't have a unique index on the last name, nor the first
name, nor both.  The claim data (injury) is doctor chicken scratch  so it is
totally unreliable even taken in conjunction with last name etc.

The data is normalized, claimant, claim (and a hundred more).  They enter a
claimant.  Then they enter the claim.  If they screw up the claimant then
the claim is attached to a "duplicate" claimant.  This is not the end of the
world, I have a combo in the claim form that allows a supervisor to reassign
the claim to a different claimant for exactly this reason.

I am of course open to **constructive!! ideas on how to make this painless.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


The names aren't consistent either? What's he using as a primary key? I
think you have more problems than incorrect ss#. :(

Susan H.


> My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
> duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
> difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
> if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
> logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
> even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
> "out the door, no parachute")?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 19:58:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:58:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C88@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEHOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Found it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Its an MS SQL function. Open QA, type in SOUNDEX, high light the word and
press SHIFT+F1. Helps covers it a bit.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 20:01:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:01:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It's old code that I never put into a class and haven't updated for
recent improvements in VBA.  I played around with several variations and
haven't looked at it in years.  Here ya go!

Charlotte Foust

'*********************************************
Option Compare Database   'Use database order for string comparisons
Option Explicit

'Soundex routines created by Charlotte Foust 1/96
' last modified 3/15/99
'
'Starting with the first letter, examine each letter in turn, and
'if we can use it, append it to our string, to a maximum of 4 codes.
'We skip a consonant if it has the same category number as
'the previous consonant, unless there is a separator (vowel, etc.)
'between the two.
'
'Instead of the usual mixed string, this function returns a string
'comprised entirely of numbers.  In addition, leading vowels are
'all given the same value of 0 to allow for spelling variations
'like "English" and "Inglish".  Non-alphabetic characters are
'ignored.  Null string (or string with no non-alphabetic chars)
'returns 0.
'
'The resulting soundex code may be either 4 or 5 characters long
'depending on the alphabetical index value of the initial letter,
'which normally would be anything from 1 to 26. However, all
'leading vowels receive the code value of 0.

Dim varChar() As Variant
Dim strSentence() As String

Function cf_ApplySoundex(ByVal psSearchFor As String) As String
    Dim strSearch As String, intElement As Integer
    Dim strSdxCode As String, intCode As Integer
    Dim strRemaining As String
    Dim strSdxPrefix As String, strSdxSuffix As String

    On Error GoTo cf_ApplySoundex_err

    '\ Initialize variables
    strSearch = LTrim(psSearchFor)
    strSdxCode = ""
    strSdxPrefix = ""
    strSdxSuffix = ""
    strRemaining = Mid(strSearch, 2, Len(strSearch) - 1)
    
    ReDim varChar(0 To Len(strSearch)) As Variant
    '\ Store each character of the string in
    '\ an element of the array.
    For intElement = 1 To Len(strSearch)
        varChar(intElement) = Mid(strSearch, intElement, 1)
    Next intElement
    '\ If the first character is a vowel, use zero
    '\ otherwise, use the alphabetical index of the character
     Select Case LCase(varChar(1))
        Case "a", "e", "i", "o", "u", "y"
            intCode = 0
        Case Else
            intCode = Asc(LCase(varChar(1))) - Asc("a") + 1
     End Select
     strSdxPrefix = CStr(intCode)
    Do While Len(strSdxSuffix) < 3
        '\ Get the rest of the code
        For intElement = 2 To Len(strSearch)
            '\ Get the code for each subsequent character
            intCode = cf_GetCharValue(varChar(intElement))
            '\ Handling for repeated consonants without a separator
            If varChar((intElement) - 1) = varChar(intElement) Then
                intCode = -1
            End If
            If intCode <> -1 And intCode <> 0 Then
                '\ If not a  repeated consonant and not a vowel
                '\ add it to the Soundex code
                strSdxSuffix = strSdxSuffix & intCode
            End If
        Next intElement
        '\ Test to see if you have at least 3 digits.
        '\ If not, pad the string with right zeros.
        Do While Len(strSdxSuffix) < 3
            strSdxSuffix = strSdxSuffix & "0"
        Loop
    Loop

    strSdxCode = strSdxPrefix & strSdxSuffix
    cf_ApplySoundex = strSdxCode
cf_ApplySoundex_exit:
    Exit Function
cf_ApplySoundex_err:
    MsgBox "ApplySoundex error " & Err.Number & ":  " & Err.Description
    Resume cf_ApplySoundex_err
End Function

Function cf_GetCharValue(ByVal pvChar As Variant) As Integer
' Applies the Russell algorithm to determine the "value" of
' the character passed.
    Dim strChar As String, intChar As Integer
    strChar = CStr(pvChar)
    Select Case LCase$(strChar)
        Case "a", "e", "h", "i", "o", "u", "w", "y"
            intChar = 0
        Case "b", "f", "p", "v"
            intChar = 1
        Case "c", "g", "j", "k", "q", "s", "x", "z"
            intChar = 2
        Case "d", "t"
            intChar = 3
        Case "l"
            intChar = 4
        Case "m", "n"
            intChar = 5
        Case "r"
            intChar = 6
        Case Else
            intChar = 0
    End Select
    cf_GetCharValue = intChar
End Function


Function cf_SoundexMatch()
'Asks the User for a Word, Converts it to a soundex Value and then
'performs a search on the current control.  Subsequent entries of the
'same Word will return subsequent records, if any.
    Dim strSearchFor As String
    strSearchFor = InputBox("Enter the matching string to Find")
    '\ Find the first matching record in the current table
    '\ Not case sensitive, search down for data as stored in database
    '\ match entire field, start at field following current record.
    DoCmd.FindRecord cf_ApplySoundex(strSearchFor), acAnywhere, False,
acDown, , acCurrent, False
End Function

'*******************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once. The
fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for offering
alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized soundex
that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard "vowel
followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name with a
leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I mean,
think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat, how do
you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2 characters?

Charlotte Foust

From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Oct 21 19:58:29 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:28:29 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46F@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Found this.  Can't recall where I got it from or if I modded it, however if
you search google for soundex vba you should get some hits:


***********************************************************
Public Function Soundex(Word As String) As String
    
Dim strCode As String
Dim strChar As String
Dim lngWordLength As Long
Dim strLastCode As String

'Grabs the first letter
strCode = UCase(Mid$(Word, 1, 1))
strLastCode = GetSoundCodeNumber(strCode)

'Stores the word length
lngWordLength = Len(Word)

'Continues the code, starting at the second letter
For i = 2 To lngWordLength
    strChar = GetSoundCodeNumber(UCase(Mid$(Word, i, 1)))

    ' If adjacent numbers are the same,
    ' only count one of them
    If Len(strChar) > 0 And strLastCode <> strChar Then
        strCode = strCode & strChar
    End If
    strLastCode = strChar

Next

'Trim it down to a maximum of four characters...
Soundex = Mid$(strCode, 1, 4)

'... but if it's less than four characters, pad
'it out with a bunch of zeros...
If Len(strCode) < 4 Then
    Soundex = Soundex & String(4 - Len(strCode), "0")
End If

End Function

Private Function GetSoundCodeNumber(Character As String) As String
    
'Accepts a character and returns the
'appropriate number from the Soundex table

Select Case Character
    Case "B", "F", "P", "V"
       GetSoundCodeNumber = "1"
    Case "C", "G", "J", "K", "Q", "S", "X", "Z"
       GetSoundCodeNumber = "2"
    Case "D", "T"
        GetSoundCodeNumber = "3"
    Case "L"
        GetSoundCodeNumber = "4"
    Case "M", "N"
        GetSoundCodeNumber = "5"
    Case "R"
        GetSoundCodeNumber = "6"
End Select

End Function
***********************************************************


Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: David McAfee [mailto:DMcAfee at haascnc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Its an MS SQL function. Open QA, type in SOUNDEX, high light the word and
press SHIFT+F1. Helps covers it a bit.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 20:05:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:05:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C87@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEHOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In the end, they want to be able to type garbage in and have the database
figure out what they mean.  I assume you have never actually talked to
users?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


I was going to recommend soundex on the names as well. Soundex is pretty
cool, but also makes some matches that are not that close.

It sounds like someone is using natural keys where they shouldn't be? :P

(that might start a war)

Maybe they can search for duplicate claims for a given address, name or type
of injury and name?

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 21 20:28:50 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:28:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHNFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <032101c3983b$daad2aa0$6401a8c0@default>

John,

I have more comprehensive versions, but
here is a simple version of Soundex.

Function Soundex (ByVal S As String) As String
    S = UCase$(Trim$(S))
    Dim Code As Integer: Code = 0
    Dim Last As Integer: Last = 0
    Dim R As String: R = ""
    Dim i As Long: For i = 1 To Len(S)
        Select Case Mid$(S, i, 1)
        Case "B", "F", "P", "V"
            Code = 1
        Case "C", "G", "J", "K", "Q", "S", "X", "Z"
            Code = 2
        Case "D", "T"
            Code = 3
        Case "L"
            Code = 4
        Case "M", "N"
            Code = 5
        Case "R"
            Code = 6
        Case Else
            Code = 0
        End Select
        If (i = 1) Then
            R = Mid$(S, 1, 1)
        ElseIf (Code <> 0 And Code <> Last) Then
            R = R & Code
        End If
        Last = Code
    Next i
    Soundex = Mid$(R & "0000", 1, 4)
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
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www.mattysconsulting.com



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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


> lol.
>
> This is MY database, and I am using an autonumber for the PK of course.  I
> think what you are trying to ask is what am I using for the unique index,
> and the answer is the SSN.  And yes, I have been party to the SSN debate
> before.
>
> In the end, you can't have a unique index on the last name, nor the first
> name, nor both.  The claim data (injury) is doctor chicken scratch  so it
is
> totally unreliable even taken in conjunction with last name etc.
>
> The data is normalized, claimant, claim (and a hundred more).  They enter
a
> claimant.  Then they enter the claim.  If they screw up the claimant then
> the claim is attached to a "duplicate" claimant.  This is not the end of
the
> world, I have a combo in the claim form that allows a supervisor to
reassign
> the claim to a different claimant for exactly this reason.
>
> I am of course open to **constructive!! ideas on how to make this
painless.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>
>
> The names aren't consistent either? What's he using as a primary key? I
> think you have more problems than incorrect ss#. :(
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering
> > duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked
how
> > difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
> irrelevant
> > if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
> "fuzzy
> > logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I
don't
> > even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other
than
> > "out the door, no parachute")?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 21 20:34:24 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:34:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F966B40.24359.ADA63FB@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 20:32, John Colby wrote:

> Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
> class, a single function?  How does it work?
> 

I posted this to the SQLServer forum on 14 Aug 02:

The Soundex system is the means established by the National Archives to
index the U.S. censuses (beginning with 1880). 

Soundex codes begin with the first letter of the surname followed by a
three-digit code that represents the (first three) remaining consonants
(after duplicate consonants have been combined). Where there are less  
than three remaining consonants, the soundex is padded with 0s

Here's a VB/VBA function which shows the details:

Function SoundEx(ByVal incoming As String) As String

   Dim lLoopcount As Long
   Dim sResult As String
   Dim sInChar As String
   Dim sOutChar As String

'- Clean up the string
'
'  1.  Remove all non-alphabetic characters (e.g., hyphens, apostrophes). 
'  2.  Convert all lower-case characters to upper-case characters. 
'  3.  Move the first letter in the source to the SOUNDEX output buffer. 
'  4.  Remove the vowels (A,E,I,O,U and Y) and the consonents H and W. 
'  5.  Make the following substitutions: 
'       Labials (B,F,P,V)                      ==> 1 
'       Gutterals,  sibilants (C,G,J,K,Q,S,X,Z) ==> 2 
'       Dentals (D,T)   ==> 3 
'       Long liquid (L)                        ==> 4 
'       Nasals (M,N)                           ==> 5 
'       Short liquid (R)                       ==> 6 
'  6.  Combine any adjacent identical digits (i.e., eliminate contiguous 
'      matching digits:  for example, 44 becomes just 4). 

 incoming = UCase$(incoming) 
sResult  = "" 
For lLoopcount = 1 To Len(incoming)

      '- Stop when we get 4 characters
      If Len(sResult) >= 4 Then Exit For

      sInChar = Mid$(incoming, lLoopcount, 1)
      Select Case sInChar
           Case "B", "F", "P", "V"
                  sOutChar = "1"
           Case "C", "G", "J", "K", "Q", "S", "X", "Z"
                  sOutChar = "2"
           Case "D", "T"
                  sOutChar = "3"
           Case "L"
                  sOutChar = "4"
           Case "M", "N"
                  sOutChar = "5"
           Case "R"
                  sOutChar = "6"
           Case Else
                  sOutChar = ""
      End Select

      '- If it's the first digit, then just add it.
      If sResult = "" Then
             sResult = sResult + sInChar
             '- Make sure not to add a repeating digit.
      ElseIf Right$(sResult, 1) <> sOutChar Then
                  sResult = sResult + sOutChar
      End If

   Next

'  7.  Concatenate the first three resulting digits to the SOUNDEX 
' output buffer (if there are fewer than 3 resulting digits, pad with 0). 
 SoundEx = Left$(sResult + "0000", 4)

End Function



-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 21 20:51:49 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:51:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C89@EXCHMAIL>

The users aren't the bad ones...its the managers at my location that are bad.

One gives you a deadline, then calls you back in 5 minutes later to have you work on a new full day project then asks where you are at the next day on project #1 ?!?!?!

Another manager like to break functioning systems to justify his existence, by now requiring system changes to work with his new design, which in fact worked better the way it was before.

Yet another manager like to put in preventions such as: "Can you write some code that will check to see if that PO# has already been entered by that distributor?" I answer yes, and make it work. He comes back with "your system didn't prevent this duplicate order from being processed", after looking at the two different Purchase Order Numbers, I see that the entry person transposed two numbers. He now wants me to put in prevention for that...hey...that sounds a lot like your mess ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


In the end, they want to be able to type garbage in and have the database
figure out what they mean.  I assume you have never actually talked to
users?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


I was going to recommend soundex on the names as well. Soundex is pretty
cool, but also makes some matches that are not that close.

It sounds like someone is using natural keys where they shouldn't be? :P

(that might start a war)

Maybe they can search for duplicate claims for a given address, name or type
of injury and name?

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 21 22:11:31 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:11:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C89@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <3F968203.272.13A52B8@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 18:51, David McAfee wrote:


> Yet another manager like to put in preventions such as: "Can you write
> some code that will check to see if that PO# has already been entered
> by that distributor?" I answer yes, and make it work. He comes back
> with "your system didn't prevent this duplicate order from being
> processed", after looking at the two different Purchase Order Numbers,
> I see that the entry person transposed two numbers. He now wants me to
> put in prevention for that...hey...that sounds a lot like your mess ;) 
> 

Yep, with JCs SSN close matches that's probably the first thing to 
attack.   

In my experience with the PNG Electoral Commission which uses 8 digit 
Elector ID numbers, the most common error is transposing 2 digits in 
the data entry.

I'm still thinking about ways of quickly finding other numbers which 
are the same as the target but with a pair of digits transposed. When 
I get it, I'll post it :-)






 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 21 23:23:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:23:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273B3@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Tue Oct 21 23:06:26 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:36:26 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A4@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c39856$72d83fd0$b3edf73d@winxp>

    You are welcome Mark !

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mitsules, Mark 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 00:58
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


  A.D.Tejpal,

  Yes, this approach works.  Well done:)


  Thank you,

  Mark
  (Although it is not an issue, it is too bad I don't have a timer utility
  built to test the solutions that work.)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:38 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics

  Mark,

      Could you kindly try the following and let me know -

      Let table T_Sort have a field SVAL (text type), containing  the
  alphanumeric values. In query design window, create two fields: 
      (a) First field named F1(calculated field) with the formula -
  F1: IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL], 2,1)), "A","B")
      (b) Second field  SVAL
      Sort order for both fields may be set to ascending.

      SQL string for the above query is given below -

  SELECT IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B") AS F1,
  T_Sort.SVAL FROM T_Sort ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And
  IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B"), T_Sort.SVAL WITH OWNERACCESS OPTION;

  Regards,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Mitsules, Mark 
    To: '[AccessD]' 
    Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 19:28
    Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


    Greetings,

    I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
    combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
    field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
    remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
    suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
    startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

    Example:
    000
    001
    .
    .
    998
    999
    00A
    00B
    .
    .
    ZZZ


    Mark Mitsules
    Senior Designer
    Department E13
    Submarine Electrical Engineering
    Northrop Grumman Newport News
    757.380.3376


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 22 00:13:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:13:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273B4@main2.marlow.com>

Here's my suggestion.  I used a BE I had for someone that had ~15,000 user
records.  I then built this query:

SELECT tblPerson.*, [Enter SS Number] AS Criteria
FROM tblPerson
WHERE (((tblPerson.P_txtSocialSecurityNumber) Like "???" & Mid([Enter SS
Number],4,2) & "????" Or (tblPerson.P_txtSocialSecurityNumber) Like "?????"
& Right([Enter SS Number],4) Or (tblPerson.P_txtSocialSecurityNumber) Like
Left([Enter SS Number],3) & "??????"));

That narrows the field a bit.  I saved that query as qryCloseMatches, then I
built this function:

Public Function CheckSSNumber(strOriginal As String, strCurrent) As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim intOffCount As Long
intOffCount = 0
If Len(strOriginal) <> Len(strCurrent) Or IsNull(strCurrent) Then
    CheckSSNumber = -1
End If
For i = 1 To Len(strOriginal)
    If Mid(strCurrent, i, 1) <> Mid(strOriginal, i, 1) Then intOffCount =
intOffCount + 1
    If intOffCount > 2 Then
        Exit For
    End If
Next i
CheckSSNumber = intOffCount
End Function

And built this final query:

SELECT qryCloseMatches.pk_PersonID, qryCloseMatches.P_txtPersonID,
qryCloseMatches.P_txtSocialSecurityNumber, qryCloseMatches.P_txtFirstName,
qryCloseMatches.P_txtMiddleName, qryCloseMatches.P_txtLastName,
qryCloseMatches.P_txtStreetAddress1, qryCloseMatches.P_txtStreetAddress2,
CheckSSNumber([Criteria],[P_txtSocialSecurityNumber]) AS Expr1
FROM qryCloseMatches
WHERE (((CheckSSNumber([Criteria],[P_txtSocialSecurityNumber]))>=0 And
(CheckSSNumber([Criteria],[P_txtSocialSecurityNumber]))<=2))
ORDER BY CheckSSNumber([Criteria],[P_txtSocialSecurityNumber]);

Works pretty fast.  They results are sorted by 'closeness'.  0 is a perfect
match, then 1 and 2 are off by 1 or 2 characters.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 10/21/03 7:05 PM
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search

My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering
duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked
how
difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I
don't
even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other
than
"out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Oct 22 00:19:33 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:49:33 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A472@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

No No No!

Never place objects in session scope (assume you're using ASP).  Causes
thread affinity and you lose connection pooling.

http://www.devx.com/asp/Article/16802/0/page/2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;243543

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 1:54 PM
To: ''Access Developers discussion and problem solving' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
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>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Oct 22 01:13:14 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:43:14 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A474@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Ooops, noticed you were using a custom DLL - pretty certain if the same
implications apply, however not completely sure.  

Drawbacks are more apparent in a multi-user environment rather than a low
traffic one..

Cheers,
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 2:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


No No No!

Never place objects in session scope (assume you're using ASP).  Causes
thread affinity and you lose connection pooling.

http://www.devx.com/asp/Article/16802/0/page/2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;243543

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 1:54 PM
To: ''Access Developers discussion and problem solving' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 00:58:10 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:58:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
References: <3F968203.272.13A52B8@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F961C72.7060409@shaw.ca>

Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also 
indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the 
location of a single transposition error.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 21 Oct 2003 at 18:51, David McAfee wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>Yet another manager like to put in preventions such as: "Can you write
>>some code that will check to see if that PO# has already been entered
>>by that distributor?" I answer yes, and make it work. He comes back
>>with "your system didn't prevent this duplicate order from being
>>processed", after looking at the two different Purchase Order Numbers,
>>I see that the entry person transposed two numbers. He now wants me to
>>put in prevention for that...hey...that sounds a lot like your mess ;) 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Yep, with JCs SSN close matches that's probably the first thing to 
>attack.   
>
>In my experience with the PNG Electoral Commission which uses 8 digit 
>Elector ID numbers, the most common error is transposing 2 digits in 
>the data entry.
>
>I'm still thinking about ways of quickly finding other numbers which 
>are the same as the target but with a pair of digits transposed. When 
>I get it, I'll post it :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 03:01:50 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:01:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>

Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


TIA
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 22 03:32:30 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:32:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <3F95CFB0.9060504@shaw.ca>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>
 <16235596795.20031021182859@cactus.dk> <3F95CFB0.9060504@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <25485287.20031022103230@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Many thanks for the nice explanation.

One just wonders why this "D" was brought into Access (where I see it
documented nowhere). On the other hand it falls well in line with the
original concept of Access "to give the user access from a single
point to a variety of database engines" - at least that is how I
understood it.

/gustav


> Here is a start.

> http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/migrating-va.html

>  I think, this has to do with different mantissa lengths on different 
> platforms. I have seen it used in Fortran and Oracle. Oracle has an 
> option NOG_Float. If your C  program uses the D-floating format for 
> floating-point data, you should compile with the NOG_FLOAT qualifier. 
> This forces SQL to convert the double-precision data in the database 
> from the G-floating format used by Oracle Rdb to the D-floating format 
> used by C, and vice versa.

> I wonder what happens on the new Win 64 bit platforms?

> The VAX architecture defined two different "double precision" represen-
> tations:  The original D_FLOAT (inherited from PDP-11's), and the newer
> G_FLOAT.  They differ in the assignment of bits to mantissa and
> exponent: G_FLOAT moved three bits from the mantissa to the exponent, so
> you get a much wider dynamic range at the expense of a few less bits of
> precision.  This change was made because it turned out that the greater
> dynamic range was more useful than the extra couple of bits.

>  more significant problem due to the change to G_float can occur in 
> programs which, intentionally or unintentionally, pass single-precision 
> (REAL*4) values as arguments to routines which declare the argument as 
> REAL*8. This often goes unnoticed when an F_float value is interpreted 
> as D_float, as the two datatypes have the same format in the first 32 
> bits. But when an F_float is interpreted as a G_float, the value read 
> will be wildly different. For example, an F_float 1.0 is interpreted as 
> 128.0 in G_float! The most common case for this type mismatch, which is 
> a programming error, is when a REAL*4 constant such as 1.0 or 2.3E0 is 
> passed to a REAL*8 argument. To ensure that the datatype of a constant 
> is REAL*8, use the D exponent letter, for example 3.14D0, or use a 
> PARAMETER constant which is declared as REAL*8. If the caller and callee 
> are compiled together, the AXP compiler will warn about type mismatches 
> if WARNINGS=ARGUMENT_CHECKING is specified on the compile command line.



> Gustav Brock wrote:

>>Hi Mark
>>
>>You are welcome!
>>
>>I knew about the "E" trap (say, 3E4 which is 30000) but I have never read about the
>>"D" trap which turns, say, 1D4 into 10000 (or 1E4).
>>It's easy to figure out it means 10^4 but where may that be
>>documented?? 
>>
>>/gustav


>>>Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
>>>that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
>>>legend...cha cha cha"
>>
>>>Thank you sir,
>>
>>>Mark


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 03:36:16 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:36:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000501c39877$8f1b3140$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...why not use one of the freeware zip file splitter utilities available
on-line?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:01 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a
client to download from?

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to
under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


TIA
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 03:50:25 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:25 +0200
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OFBDBE24B3.31190D20-ONC1256DC6.00304900@achmea.nl>

Robert,

   The FE is always an MDE and is 11MB in size. De BE is always een MDB
   which differs from 24 to 150 MB
   Generaly there are five users who are updating and entering data and
   about 2 users who only read data
   The FE is always local on the computers. The BE is always in f:
   \oop\oopdata.mdb
    Alle forms are showing a limited no of records and are never bounded to
   a table


Thanks Marcel





"Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
20-10-2003 15:52:48

Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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cc:   marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Marcel,

How big is the FE and BE databases?

How many simultaneous users?

Are the users using a local copy of the FE?

Do your forms limit the number of records displayed?

After getting the answers to these questions, I can
give you better direction.

Robert

At 08:23 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:37:29 +0200
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED at achmea.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Dear group,
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
>took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
>you the following.
>
>I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
>distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
and
>BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
>Expecially on a network envirnement.
>I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
>with only the data wich is used
>- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht
function
>of module.
>-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and
I
>do not know if i want to do this.
>
>But this all did not improved much.
>
>I am thinking about the following
>- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
>performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
>something
>- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
>form. If I do this does this improve performance
>- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
>the won?t be happy.
>
>
>Any suggestions, ideas??
>I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
>tricks in this.
>
>Thansk marcel


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 22 04:24:18 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:24:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F961482.29626.108D43@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 20:32, John Colby wrote:

> Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it
> a class, a single function?  How does it work?

ADH has a Soundex Version. I don't recall if it's a single procedure 
or a series of procedures. I don't think it's a class though.

--
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 04:30:44 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:30:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>
	<000501c39877$8f1b3140$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000f01c3987f$2b4756f0$6501a8c0@user>

I don't want the client to have to put the files back together - but thanks for the tip - I'll look into it.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  ...why not use one of the freeware zip file splitter utilities available
  on-line?

  William Hindman
  <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Kath Pelletti" <SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au>
  To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:01 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a
  client to download from?

  It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to
  under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

  (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


  TIA
  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 22 05:46:55 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:46:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <4736418.1066819615957.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>


Just a thought but not sure how it works myself, isn't there a way that you could FTP the file to the web and then get your client to FTP it to their system.



Message date : Oct 22 2003, 11:38 AM 
>From : Kath Pelletti 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 
I don't want the client to have to put the files back together - but thanks for the tip - I'll look into it. 

Kath 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: William Hindman 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 


...why not use one of the freeware zip file splitter utilities available 
on-line? 

William Hindman 
- Do you want liberty in your lifetime? 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:01 AM 
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 


Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a 
client to download from? 

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to 
under 2.9 MB which is too large for them. 

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....) 


TIA 
Kath Pelletti 
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
Ph: 9505-6714 
Fax: 9505-6430 
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 06:36:21 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:36:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Switch between Specific Printer and default.
In-Reply-To: <911342931.20030824093418@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEGPDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

I just want to change the radio button for a report between Default and
Specific printer in code. Do I have to use DEVMODE and DEVNAMES structures
to do this? Access 2000.

John



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 22 06:49:48 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:49:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Crashes Sending Email
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0117@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I have a database set up so an email notification is sent via Outlook for
new task assignments. I have not had any problems until converting the
database from 97 to A2K. Outlook will open with the message completed, but
after I press Send, I get a page fault error and it crashes: 
MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at
017f:bff7a138.
 
What can I do to prevent the database from crashing every time I press Send?
Why is it happening in A2K?
 
Virginia
 
This is the code I have on the button to send the emails.
*********************
'New assignment of EFR.
Dim Mess As String, Subject As String, Recipient As String, Cc As String,
Bcc As String
Dim Msg, Style, Title, Response, MyString
    Beep
Msg = "Do you want to send a notification ?"   ' Define message.
Style = vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1 ' Define buttons.
Title = "New EFR Assignment"  ' Define title.
 
        ' Display message.
Response = MsgBox(Msg, Style, Title)
If Response = vbYes Then    ' User chose Yes.
MyString = "Yes"    ' Perform some action.
 
    Recipient = DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]")
    Subject = "New Equipment Failure Report EFR-" +
CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000"))
    Cc = "Robert Cross; Chris Hoffman"
    Bcc = "Virginia Hollis"
    Mess = "You have been assigned the following Equipment Failure Report: "
+ vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "EFR-" + CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000")) + vbCrLf + _
    "Assigned to: " + DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]") + vbCrLf + _
    "ATR: " + CStr([ATRNumber]) + vbCrLf + _
    "Date assigned: " + CStr([DateMail]) + vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "Please complete your review within the next five (5) days."
 
On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.SendObject , , , Recipient, Cc, Bcc, Subject, Mess
 

Else    ' User chose No.
    MyString = "No" ' Perform some action.
 
End If    
        
                        
Exit_cmdNew_Click:
Exit Sub
 
Err_cmdNew_Click:
    Select Case Err
    Case 0      'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   'All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox Error$, , "Error in function Form_frmNewEFR.cmdNew _Click"
    Resume Exit_cmdNew_Click
    End Select
    Resume Next    'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Oct 22 06:51:46 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:51:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0538@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Marty and Dave.  

I put shortcuts to missing help files on the start menu so I can just press the Windows key to get to them.  It was the .chi file I was missing.  You can install this help file without installing the SDK.  I Googled ado260.chm and found a site that has them posted (www.debian.goldweb.com.au).

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file


or this
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;295194

Don't worry it gets worse. The new SDK for MDAC installs ado270.hxs It 
has entries covering 2.8.
It is only accessible  through the desktop SDK program menu or if you 
install FAR help or you have visual studio .net installed


I don't think the chm file type, compiled help existed when Access 97 
was brought out
I just use a desktop shortcut to the file ado260.chm. I have about 5 
like this, for various help files like xml.
To get to the desktop shortcuts quickly I use the Window-M Key

To get it to work with Access XP and ado260.chm

    1. Install MDAC 2..6 SDK, which contains the help files themselves
(ado260.chm & ado260.chi)
    2. Copy said files to the appropriate help folder (v.g.,
C:\WINDOWS\Help) to enable context-sensitive help in the VBA IDE (v.g.,
select an item in the Object Browser and hit F1).

dave sharpe wrote:

>Jim - the following might help
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/Articles/q249/0/65.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>Dave
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
>To: "AccessD (E-mail)" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:25 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
>
>
>Just got a new PC and now I've got to see what our setup guy left out.
>First found (not found rather) is the ADO 2.6 help file (or any ADO help
>file for that matter).  I tried downloading and installing MDAC 2.6 but
>pressing F1 while the cursor is on the ADODB.Connection declaration tells me
>the file does not exist.  I tried downloading ado260.chm from a couple of
>sites but Access is still not recognizing them and opening the chm file
>directly shows the help file start page but no search results for any text
>entered.  Does anyone know how to get the ADO help files installed and
>recognized by Access (97)?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Wed Oct 22 07:00:29 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:00:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
In-Reply-To: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <006201c39894$16bca770$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Kath

I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
compacted before zipping?

If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then you can use it to
split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the client
site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there should be only a few
chunks.

I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kath Pelletti
> Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
> 
> 
> Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
> 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
> 
> It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
> and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
> 
> (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
> 
> 
> TIA
> Kath Pelletti
> Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
> Ph: 9505-6714
> Fax: 9505-6430
> sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 22 07:00:59 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:00:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F961C72.7060409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also 
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the 
> location of a single transposition error.
> 

Too many potential false matches 

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work 
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single 
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1) Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function 
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Oct 22 07:08:38 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:08:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
In-Reply-To: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000201c39895$3a222090$7001a8c0@COA3>

Yahoo Briefcase is 30 MB, free, with a 5 mb per file limit.  The good
thing is, it supports multiple (at least 2, anyway) simultaneous logins,
so you and the client can both be signed it the same time.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:02 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file
for a client to download from? 

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot
zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


TIA
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 07:41:52 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:41:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <006201c39894$16bca770$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <002701c39899$def767c0$6501a8c0@user>

Yep - message back from client was "The recipient(s) indicated below did not receive this message 
because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has 
been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient 
and request that space be made available within their mailbox."
Yes I do have version 8.1 but didn't know that I could split the zip file - so I will look into that. Thanks.

William's tip led me to find a tool called GSplit which I am testing now and it looks good (and free).

The hassle with these  things is that I don't want my client to have to jump through any hoops to receive the file - you know what I mean - not having to rejoin split files - but maybe that's the only way for now.

I remember that there used to be a website called XShare (or something like that) where you could 5 or 10 MB of data, allocate a password. Anyone with the password could retrieve the file simply by clicking on the link.....they all seem to be with ongoing paid up membership now.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DJK(John) Robinson 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Kath

  I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
  compacted before zipping?

  If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then you can use it to
  split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the client
  site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there should be only a few
  chunks.

  I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.

  John


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
  > Kath Pelletti
  > Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
  > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
  > 
  > 
  > Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
  > 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
  > 
  > It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
  > and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
  > 
  > (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
  > 
  > 
  > TIA
  > Kath Pelletti
  > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  > Ph: 9505-6714
  > Fax: 9505-6430
  > sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 07:42:39 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:42:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <000201c39895$3a222090$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <003f01c39899$fad16130$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks Steve. I'll check it out.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Developer 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:08 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Yahoo Briefcase is 30 MB, free, with a 5 mb per file limit.  The good
  thing is, it supports multiple (at least 2, anyway) simultaneous logins,
  so you and the client can both be signed it the same time.

  Steve


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:02 AM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file
  for a client to download from? 

  It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot
  zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

  (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


  TIA
  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 07:43:11 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:43:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <4736418.1066819615957.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
Message-ID: <004901c3989a$0e0b6840$6501a8c0@user>

Sounds good to me Paul - just no site of my own to ftp to...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:46 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage



  Just a thought but not sure how it works myself, isn't there a way that you could FTP the file to the web and then get your client to FTP it to their system.



  Message date : Oct 22 2003, 11:38 AM 
  >From : Kath Pelletti 
  To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Copy to : 
  Subject : Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 
  I don't want the client to have to put the files back together - but thanks for the tip - I'll look into it. 

  Kath 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:36 PM 
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 


  ...why not use one of the freeware zip file splitter utilities available 
  on-line? 

  William Hindman 
  - Do you want liberty in your lifetime? 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Kath Pelletti" 
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:01 AM 
  Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 


  Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a 
  client to download from? 

  It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to 
  under 2.9 MB which is too large for them. 

  (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....) 


  TIA 
  Kath Pelletti 
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
  Ph: 9505-6714 
  Fax: 9505-6430 
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 07:50:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:50:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJBFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The problem with this kind of thing is I would have to run a query applying
that to every SSN in the database, currently 15 thousand!  And it would have
to be done either in the background or before they continued entering the
rest of the claimant info.  The idea after all is to alert them to the fact
tat there are N other records that might match what they keyed in.

I do love the idea though just in general "data checking" terms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the
> location of a single transposition error.
>

Too many potential false matches

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 08:01:30 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:01:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJCFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stewart,

The code doesn't compile.  Loopcount doesn't exist and basestring in
checksum.

I dimmed the loopcount as int local, and am assuming that basestr is
actually teststr?

And of course an actual match should also match which it currently doesn't.
Cool function though!  I'm testing it now.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the
> location of a single transposition error.
>

Too many potential false matches

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 22 08:12:25 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:12:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
Message-ID: <020a01c3989e$24b5e120$bc449a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx
I know about shell and how to get it to work.
I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work

Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it
and shell to work together on the same line
I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)...

Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx"

any takers??

Many thanks

Darren



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 08:19:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:19:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stewart,

With the outlined changes, the code is working GREAT!!!  The speed is very
good on my system, which is not representative of my client unfortunately
since they are on a network with 30 people and using 500 mhz PIII computers.

I did want you to know that from very preliminary testing this code finds
two digit changes, transpositions etc.  Cool stuff!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the
> location of a single transposition error.
>

Too many potential false matches

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 08:26:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:26:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stuart,

Could you comment the code for me?  I have no idea what the hamming distance
is trying to accomplish and don't wish to take a class to figure it out.
Just a 1 paragraph overview at te top and a couple of line comments thrown
in would be a great help.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the
> location of a single transposition error.
>

Too many potential false matches

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 22 08:29:50 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:29:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
Message-ID: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>


Couldn't you write a batch file to register the ocx and then shell out to the batch file ?
Paul



Message date : Oct 22 2003, 02:23 PM 
>From : Darren DICK 
To : AccessD List 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please 
Hello all 
I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx 
I know about shell and how to get it to work. 
I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work 

Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it 
and shell to work together on the same line 
I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)... 

Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 

any takers?? 

Many thanks 

Darren 


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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 08:32:49 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:32:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F5iCEJNiabUJVe00022c70@hotmail.com>

Thanks, Bryan.  I'm going to give that a try.

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code



> > -----Original Message-----

> > > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in > > 
>the
> > table itself, from number to text?

On 21 Oct 2003 at 16:26, Reuben Cummings wrote:

>Based on our work on the Back End Upgrader, in order to change a
data
>type thru code you will need to create a new field, move the data
to
>the new field, delete the original field, and rename the new field.


Um, you aren't going to believe this Reuben but:

In A2K, with DAO referenced you can use ALTER TABLE to do it:

Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database

Set db = CurrentDb()
strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Table1 ALTER COLUMN fldText CHAR(10);"

db.Execute (strSQL)

Set db = Nothing

Where CHAR(10) indicated that it is being changed to a text field
with a length of 10 characters.

In my test fldText started out as a Long Integer field.

--
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Oct 22 08:41:00 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:41:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71B0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Kath

I have my own server, if I may remove it after he downloaded it you can
give it over to me....
My mail supports larger files, mail it to me and I put it on line....
I don't wanne give you a pass to upload FTP, but he can download it
without pass if you know the link.

I mail you the link directly after I have your file.
I stay another +/- 2 hours here, so mail it asap to me directly.

I promise to delete it tomorow or so....

Erwin



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Kath Pelletti
Verzonden: woensdag 22 oktober 2003 14:42
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


Yep - message back from client was "The recipient(s) indicated below did
not receive this message 
because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has 
been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient 
and request that space be made available within their mailbox." Yes I do
have version 8.1 but didn't know that I could split the zip file - so I
will look into that. Thanks.

William's tip led me to find a tool called GSplit which I am testing now
and it looks good (and free).

The hassle with these  things is that I don't want my client to have to
jump through any hoops to receive the file - you know what I mean - not
having to rejoin split files - but maybe that's the only way for now.

I remember that there used to be a website called XShare (or something
like that) where you could 5 or 10 MB of data, allocate a password.
Anyone with the password could retrieve the file simply by clicking on
the link.....they all seem to be with ongoing paid up membership now.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DJK(John) Robinson 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Kath

  I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
  compacted before zipping?

  If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then you can use
it to
  split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the
client
  site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there should be only
a few
  chunks.

  I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.

  John


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
  > Kath Pelletti
  > Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
  > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
  > 
  > 
  > Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
  > 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
  > 
  > It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
  > and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
  > 
  > (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
  > 
  > 
  > TIA
  > Kath Pelletti
  > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  > Ph: 9505-6714
  > Fax: 9505-6430
  > sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 08:46:05 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:46:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
In-Reply-To: <020a01c3989e$24b5e120$bc449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEHFDGAA.askolits@ot.com>


You can use the Shell, but I sometimes ran into problems with it.
This function will actually return a True or False if its registered or not.

Here's an example on how to use it:

Register The Control
call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)

Unregister control
call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)



Here's the code I use:
---------------------------------------------



Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lLibFileName As
String) As Long
Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32" (lThreadAttributes As
Any, _
    ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As Long, ByVal larameter
As Long, _
    ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hHandle
As Long, _
    ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hModule As
Long, _
    ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32" Alias "CallWindowProcA"
_
    (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal Msg As Long, _
    ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hLibModule As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As Long)
As Long
Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hThread As
Long, _
    lExitCode As Long) As Long
Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lExitCode As Long)




Function lbf_RegisterOCX(ByVal sFilePath As String, _
    Optional bRegister As Boolean = True) As Boolean

    Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long, lThreadID As Long, _
        lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As Long
    Dim sRegister As String

''**************************************************************************
******
''                         Procedure Identification
''--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
''    Name:         lbf_RegisterOCX
''
''    Purpose:  This function registers and Unregisters OLE components
''
''    Results:  Returns True if successful
''
''    Inputs:   sFilePath - The path to the DLL/OCX or ActiveX EXE
''               bRegister - If True Registers the control, else unregisters
control
''
''
''    Date/Author:   Andrewb 04/09/2000 Loaded into CDD Lib 10/07/03 John
Skolits
''**************************************************************************
******

On Error GoTo lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR

'*********BEGIN CODE HERE ********
Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20 secs for register to
complete

    If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0 Then
        'File exists
        If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
            'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
            If bRegister Then
                'Register EXE
                Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
            Else
                'Unregister ActiveX EXE
                Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER", vbHide
            End If
            lbf_RegisterOCX = True
        Else
            'Register/Unregister DLL
            If bRegister Then
                sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
            Else
                sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
            End If

            'Load library into current process
            lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)

            If lLibAddress Then
                'Get address of the DLL function
                lProcAddress = GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
                If lProcAddress Then
                    lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&, _
                    ByVal lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
                    If lThread Then
                        'Created thread and wait for it to terminate
                        lSuccess = (WaitForSingleObject(lThread,
clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
                        If Not lSuccess Then
                            'Failed to register, close thread
                            Call GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
                            Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
                            lbf_RegisterOCX = False
                        Else
                            'Successfully registered component
                            lbf_RegisterOCX = True
                            Call CloseHandle(lThread)
                        End If
                    End If
                    Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
                Else
                    'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
                    Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
                End If
            End If
        End If
    End If
    Exit Function

lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT:

Exit Function

lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR:                                    'Display the error


            MsgBox "ERROR CODE:" & Err & "   DESC:" & Error

            Resume lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT

End Function





From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 22 08:42:50 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:42:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
References: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>
Message-ID: <021401c398a2$63e21270$bc449a89@DDICK>

Hi Paul
Yep, but I want as little room for error as possible.
This would mean shipping a batch file, keeping an eye on another file etc etc blah blah

What will be actually run on the push of a button is actually much more complex than what I have 
typed here. I will be dimming various things based on values typed into a form then I am passing 
the values to the Dimmed ref 
I only sent the basics to the list  in the line Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 

Many thanks

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


> 
> Couldn't you write a batch file to register the ocx and then shell out to the batch file ?
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> Message date : Oct 22 2003, 02:23 PM 
> >From : Darren DICK 
> To : AccessD List 
> Copy to : 
> Subject : [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please 
> Hello all 
> I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx 
> I know about shell and how to get it to work. 
> I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work 
> 
> Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it 
> and shell to work together on the same line 
> I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)... 
> 
> Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 
> 
> any takers?? 
> 
> Many thanks 
> 
> Darren 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 22 08:54:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:54:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <15524801983.20031022155427@cactus.dk>

Hi John, Stewart

Would you mind sharing the revised code, please?

/gustav


> Stewart,

> With the outlined changes, the code is working GREAT!!!  ..


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 08:57:41 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:57:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F147wNdeKBwpai000022f8@hotmail.com>

Jim,

<<varLastRecord and lngOriginalColor are module level variables.>>

I guess I should read the emails more carefully...the statement I missed 
above made all the difference.

Thanks for the help!!!

Mark

>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:23:40 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
><<I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below
>"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it..>>
>
>   Yes it does:
>
> > >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> > >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
>
><<is it an API declared
>in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a 
>value?>>
>
>   It would be a lot simpler to send you the sample database so you can 
>play
>with it.  Send me an e-mail off-list.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:18 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Jim,
>
>I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below
>"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it...is it an API declared
>in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a value?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
> >From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:15:59 -0400
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >   Since it stores a bookmark, it must be a variant.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:02 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
> > >
> > >Mark,
> > >
> > >   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. 
>varLastRecord
> > >and
> > >lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
> > >
> > >Jim Dettman
> > >President,
> > >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > >(315) 699-3443
> > >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > >Private Sub Form_Current()
> > >
> > >   Dim rst As Recordset
> > >
> > >   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> > >
> > >   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
> > >   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
> > >     ' Nothing to do
> > >   Else
> > >       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
> > >       rst.Edit
> > >         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
> > >       rst.Update
> > >       Set rst = Nothing
> > >   End If
> > >
> > >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> > >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
> > >
> > >   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
> > >   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
> > >
> > >
> > >End Sub
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Hello All,
> > >
> > >thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
> > >ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with
> >the
> > >control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
> > >fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this
> >is
> > >in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the 
>BEFORE
> > >UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining 
>whether
> > >or
> > >not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?
> >Any
> > >thoughts?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Jim,
> > > >
> > > >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid 
>(like
> > >the
> > > >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> > > >
> > > >John W. Colby
> > > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> > > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >John,
> > > >
> > > >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both
> >would
> > > >be
> > > >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a
> > >requery
> > > >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle
> >as
> > > >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example
> > >using
> > > >bookmarks.
> > > >
> > > >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> > > >different
> > > >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row
> > >colors.
> > > >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for
> >displaying
> > > >of
> > > >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> > > >
> > > >Jim Dettman
> > > >President,
> > > >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > >(315) 699-3443
> > > >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> > > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> > > >current line number.  In my framework I use
> > > >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> > > >replaces the function?
> > > >
> > > >John W. Colby
> > > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules,
> >Mark
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> > > >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous
> >Form
> > > >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> > > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hello All,
> > > >
> > > >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row
> > >that
> > > >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on 
>that
> > > >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of
> >every
> > > >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> > > >
> > > >Any Ideas?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >Mark
> > > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 22 09:11:39 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:11:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
In-Reply-To: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>
References: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>
Message-ID: <5225834397.20031022161139@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

First, note the windir of Win9x and WinXP typically is C:\Windows, not
C:\WINNT.

Second, for long filenames, you probably need to add quotes before
passing the command line to Shell():

strCmd = Chr(34) & "C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe" & Chr(34) & " " &
Chr(34) & "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" & Chr(34)

or, for short filenames, you may not need them:

strCmd = "C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe" & " " &
"C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx"

Then adjust your Shell() syntax:

lngReturn = Shell(strCmd, vbNormalFocus)

/gustav


> I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx
> I know about shell and how to get it to work. 
> I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work 

> Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it 
> and shell to work together on the same line 
> I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)... 

> Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 


From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Wed Oct 22 09:11:59 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
In-Reply-To: <3F9594B6.5141.18CA963@localhost>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHOEMMEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

True, Bryan.  Thanks for pointing that out.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
> 
> 
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> 
> > > > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in
> > > > the
> > > table itself, from number to text?
> 
> On 21 Oct 2003 at 16:26, Reuben Cummings wrote:
> 
> > Based on our work on the Back End Upgrader, in order to change a 
> data
> > type thru code you will need to create a new field, move the data 
> to
> > the new field, delete the original field, and rename the new field.
> 
> 
> Um, you aren't going to believe this Reuben but:
> 
> In A2K, with DAO referenced you can use ALTER TABLE to do it:
> 
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> 
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Table1 ALTER COLUMN fldText CHAR(10);"
> 
> db.Execute (strSQL)
> 
> Set db = Nothing
> 
> Where CHAR(10) indicated that it is being changed to a text field 
> with a length of 10 characters.
> 
> In my test fldText started out as a Long Integer field.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Never let a computer see you hurry.
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 09:18:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:18:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <15524801983.20031022155427@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJJFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Would you mind sharing the revised code, please?

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
On Error GoTo Err_HammingDistance
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
Dim loopcount As Integer

lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
Exit_HammingDistance:
Exit Function
Err_HammingDistance:
        MsgBox err.Description, , "Error in Function
basSoundex.HammingDistance"

        Resume Exit_HammingDistance
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
On Error GoTo Err_CheckSum
Dim lngCheck As Long
Dim loopcount As Integer
For loopcount = 1 To Len(TestString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
Exit_CheckSum:
Exit Function
Err_CheckSum:
        MsgBox err.Description, , "Error in Function basSoundex.CheckSum"

        Resume Exit_CheckSum
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
On Error GoTo Err_PossibleMatch
    If BaseString = TestString Then
        PossibleMatch = True
    Else
        Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
            Case 1 ' Miskey?
               PossibleMatch = True
            Case 2  'Possible transposition?
               If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
                   PossibleMatch = True
               End If
            Case Else
               PossibleMatch = False
        End Select
    End If
Exit_PossibleMatch:
Exit Function
Err_PossibleMatch:
        MsgBox err.Description, , "Error in Function
basSoundex.PossibleMatch"

        Resume Exit_PossibleMatch
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hi John, Stewart

Would you mind sharing the revised code, please?

/gustav


> Stewart,

> With the outlined changes, the code is working GREAT!!!  ..

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 22 09:55:06 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:55:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEHFDGAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <000901c398ac$7c96a470$bc449a89@DDICK>

John
You da man!!!

This is absolutely perfect. This has been an area I have been putting off for so long, you
have made it all so easy.
This list and its inhabitants are way cool.

Many many thanks

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


> 
> You can use the Shell, but I sometimes ran into problems with it.
> This function will actually return a True or False if its registered or not.
> 
> Here's an example on how to use it:
> 
> Register The Control
> call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)
> 
> Unregister control
> call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)
> 
> 
> 
> Here's the code I use:
> ---------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
> Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lLibFileName As
> String) As Long
> Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32" (lThreadAttributes As
> Any, _
>     ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As Long, ByVal larameter
> As Long, _
>     ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hHandle
> As Long, _
>     ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hModule As
> Long, _
>     ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
> Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32" Alias "CallWindowProcA"
> _
>     (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal Msg As Long, _
>     ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hLibModule As
> Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As Long)
> As Long
> Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hThread As
> Long, _
>     lExitCode As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lExitCode As Long)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Function lbf_RegisterOCX(ByVal sFilePath As String, _
>     Optional bRegister As Boolean = True) As Boolean
> 
>     Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long, lThreadID As Long, _
>         lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As Long
>     Dim sRegister As String
> 
> ''**************************************************************************
> ******
> ''                         Procedure Identification
> ''--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ''    Name:         lbf_RegisterOCX
> ''
> ''    Purpose:  This function registers and Unregisters OLE components
> ''
> ''    Results:  Returns True if successful
> ''
> ''    Inputs:   sFilePath - The path to the DLL/OCX or ActiveX EXE
> ''               bRegister - If True Registers the control, else unregisters
> control
> ''
> ''
> ''    Date/Author:   Andrewb 04/09/2000 Loaded into CDD Lib 10/07/03 John
> Skolits
> ''**************************************************************************
> ******
> 
> On Error GoTo lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR
> 
> '*********BEGIN CODE HERE ********
> Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20 secs for register to
> complete
> 
>     If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0 Then
>         'File exists
>         If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
>             'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
>             If bRegister Then
>                 'Register EXE
>                 Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
>             Else
>                 'Unregister ActiveX EXE
>                 Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER", vbHide
>             End If
>             lbf_RegisterOCX = True
>         Else
>             'Register/Unregister DLL
>             If bRegister Then
>                 sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
>             Else
>                 sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
>             End If
> 
>             'Load library into current process
>             lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)
> 
>             If lLibAddress Then
>                 'Get address of the DLL function
>                 lProcAddress = GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
>                 If lProcAddress Then
>                     lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&, _
>                     ByVal lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
>                     If lThread Then
>                         'Created thread and wait for it to terminate
>                         lSuccess = (WaitForSingleObject(lThread,
> clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
>                         If Not lSuccess Then
>                             'Failed to register, close thread
>                             Call GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
>                             Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
>                             lbf_RegisterOCX = False
>                         Else
>                             'Successfully registered component
>                             lbf_RegisterOCX = True
>                             Call CloseHandle(lThread)
>                         End If
>                     End If
>                     Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
>                 Else
>                     'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
>                     Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
>                 End If
>             End If
>         End If
>     End If
>     Exit Function
> 
> lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT:
> 
> Exit Function
> 
> lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR:                                    'Display the error
> 
> 
>             MsgBox "ERROR CODE:" & Err & "   DESC:" & Error
> 
>             Resume lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT
> 
> End Function
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 22 09:57:39 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:57:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
References: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>
	<5225834397.20031022161139@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001b01c398ac$d75c1980$bc449a89@DDICK>

Hi Gustav
Again my many thanks
the & " " & was the trick <sigh>

Have a great day

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


> Hi Darren
> 
> First, note the windir of Win9x and WinXP typically is C:\Windows, not
> C:\WINNT.
> 
> Second, for long filenames, you probably need to add quotes before
> passing the command line to Shell():
> 
> strCmd = Chr(34) & "C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe" & Chr(34) & " " &
> Chr(34) & "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" & Chr(34)
> 
> or, for short filenames, you may not need them:
> 
> strCmd = "C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe" & " " &
> "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx"
> 
> Then adjust your Shell() syntax:
> 
> lngReturn = Shell(strCmd, vbNormalFocus)
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx
> > I know about shell and how to get it to work. 
> > I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work 
> 
> > Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it 
> > and shell to work together on the same line 
> > I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)... 
> 
> > Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 10:32:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:32:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123C7@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

>>I am of course open to **constructive!! ideas on how to make this
painless.

Hand it off to a subcontractor!! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


lol.

This is MY database, and I am using an autonumber for the PK of course.
I think what you are trying to ask is what am I using for the unique
index, and the answer is the SSN.  And yes, I have been party to the SSN
debate before.

In the end, you can't have a unique index on the last name, nor the
first name, nor both.  The claim data (injury) is doctor chicken scratch
so it is totally unreliable even taken in conjunction with last name
etc.

The data is normalized, claimant, claim (and a hundred more).  They
enter a claimant.  Then they enter the claim.  If they screw up the
claimant then the claim is attached to a "duplicate" claimant.  This is
not the end of the world, I have a combo in the claim form that allows a
supervisor to reassign the claim to a different claimant for exactly
this reason.

I am of course open to **constructive!! ideas on how to make this
painless.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


The names aren't consistent either? What's he using as a primary key? I
think you have more problems than incorrect ss#. :(

Susan H.


> My client is having difficulties where the data input people are 
> entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  
> He's asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names 
> entered (seems
irrelevant
> if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
> logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I 
> don't even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas 
> (other than "out the door, no parachute")?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 22 10:44:26 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:44:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <200310220036.h9M0al602107@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022101249.0285b800@pop3.highstream.net>

John,

If you break the SSN up into its 3-2-4 components,
it would make it a bit easier to do a compare.
I also assume that you would be using a mask
to prevent anything but numbers in it.

The real way of "fixing" it would be to have a table
of claimants and make them select them from a list.

I just did something similar with an ADP to get around
the number of records they would have in a combobox.

Give them 2 text boxes at the bottom of a "select" form
where they would enter the first 3 characters of the
last name and the first 3 of the SSN.  Then limit
the display to those that match and give them a "select"
button to grab the one they want to use.  I had the
select form pop up when I entered the field I wanted
to grab the data for.

Robert

At 07:36 PM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
>duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
>difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems irrelevant
>if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a "fuzzy
>logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
>even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
>"out the door, no parachute")?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 10:47:28 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:47:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: "fuzzy logic" search
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022101249.0285b800@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <002101c398b3$cf6f6d60$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Arthur has a context-sensitive combo box control  too -- might be good in
this situation as well.

Susan H.


> John,
>
> If you break the SSN up into its 3-2-4 components,
> it would make it a bit easier to do a compare.
> I also assume that you would be using a mask
> to prevent anything but numbers in it.
>
> The real way of "fixing" it would be to have a table
> of claimants and make them select them from a list.
>
> I just did something similar with an ADP to get around
> the number of records they would have in a combobox.
>
> Give them 2 text boxes at the bottom of a "select" form
> where they would enter the first 3 characters of the
> last name and the first 3 of the SSN.  Then limit
> the display to those that match and give them a "select"
> button to grab the one they want to use.  I had the
> select form pop up when I entered the field I wanted
> to grab the data for.
>
> Robert
>
> At 07:36 PM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400
> >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
> >To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
> >duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
> >difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
> >if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
> >logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
> >even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other
than
> >"out the door, no parachute")?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 22 10:56:34 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:56:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
In-Reply-To: <200310221345.h9MDjW632043@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022105218.0284b2c0@pop3.highstream.net>

Marcel,

Looks like you are doing everything right.

Since you are using 2000, I would explore using
the MSDE for the backend.  You would be fine on
the number of users it is designed for.  Then I
would convert everything to an ADP and use ADO.
I have found that on one of my large forms, 8
subforms with 2 sub-subforms, in MDE it loaded
in about 15 seconds, in ADP < 2 seconds.

Sorry that I cannot give you any more advise than
that.

Robert

At 08:45 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:25 +0200
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <OFBDBE24B3.31190D20-ONC1256DC6.00304900 at achmea.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Robert,
>
>    The FE is always an MDE and is 11MB in size. De BE is always een MDB
>    which differs from 24 to 150 MB
>    Generaly there are five users who are updating and entering data and
>    about 2 users who only read data
>    The FE is always local on the computers. The BE is always in f:
>    \oop\oopdata.mdb
>     Alle forms are showing a limited no of records and are never bounded to
>    a table
>
>
>Thanks Marcel



From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Oct 22 11:00:12 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:00:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C751A6@ccemail2.cce.local>

Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 22 11:00:23 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:00:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Soundex Function
In-Reply-To: <200310221345.h9MDjW632043@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022105839.026fb1d8@pop3.highstream.net>

List,

Here are the functions required:

Function Soundex(ByVal strIn As String) As String
     ' Create a Soundex lookup string for the
     ' input text.
     ' Parameters:
     '   strIn:
     '       The text to encode
     ' Returns:
     '   Return value:
     '       strIn, converted to Soundex format.
     ' Other Functions Required:
     '   IsCharAlpha
     '   PadRight
     Dim strOut As String
     Dim intI As Integer
     Dim intPrev As Integer
     Dim strChar As String * 1
     Dim intChar As Integer
     Dim fPrevSeparator As Boolean
     strOut = ""
     strIn = UCase(strIn)
     fPrevSeparator = True
     strOut = Left$(strIn, 1)
     For intI = 2 To Len(strIn)
         ' If the output string is full, quit now.
         If Len(strOut) >= intLen Then
             Exit For
         End If
         ' Get each character, in turn. If the
         ' character's a letter, handle it.
         strChar = Mid$(strIn, intI, 1)
         If IsCharAlpha(strChar) Then
             ' Convert the character to its code.
             intChar = CharCode(strChar)
             ' If the character's not empty, and if it's not
             ' the same as the previous character, tack it
             ' onto the end of the string.
             If (intChar > 0) Then
                 If fPrevSeparator Or (intChar <> intPrev) Then
                     strOut = strOut & intChar
                     intPrev = intChar
                 End If
             End If
             fPrevSeparator = (intChar = 0)
         End If
     Next intI
     ' Return the string, right padded with 0's.
     Soundex = PadRight(strOut, intLen, "0")
End Function

Private Function CharCode(strChar As String) As Integer
     Select Case strChar
         Case "A", "E", "I", "O", "U", "Y"
             CharCode = 0
         Case "C", "G", "J", "K", "Q", "S", "X", "Z"
             CharCode = 2
         Case "D", "T"
             CharCode = 3
         Case "M", "N"
             CharCode = 5
         Case "B", "F", "P", "V"
             CharCode = 1
         Case "L"
             CharCode = 4
         Case "R"
             CharCode = 6
         Case Else
             CharCode = -1
     End Select
End Function

Function IsCharAlpha(strText As String) As Boolean
     ' Is the first character of strText an alphabetic character?
     ' Parameters:
     '   strText:
     '       Text to check. Only first character will be examined.
     ' Returns:
     '   Return Value:
     '       True if first character of strText is alphabetic in
     '       the current locale.
     ' Example:
     '   If IsCharAlpha(strSomeValue) Then
     '       ' you know the first character is alphabetic.
     '   End If
     ' Other Functions Required:
     '   IsCharsetWide
     ' Other Functions Using This One:
     '   Soundex
     '   IsCharNumeric

     If IsCharsetWide() Then
         IsCharAlpha = CBool(IsCharAlphaW(AscW(strText)))
     Else
         IsCharAlpha = CBool(IsCharAlphaA(Asc(strText)))
     End If
End Function

Function SoundsLike(ByVal strItem1 As String, ByVal strItem2 As String, _
         Optional fIsSoundex As Boolean = False) As Integer
     ' Return a number between 0 and 4 (4 being the best) indicating
     ' the similarity between the Soundex representation for
     ' two strings.
     ' Other Functions Required:
     '   Soundex
     ' Parameters:
     '   strItem1 , strItem2:
     '       Strings to compare
     '   fIsSoundex (Optional, default False):
     '       Are the strings already in Soundex format?
     ' Returns:
     '   Return Value:
     '       Integer between 0 (not similar) and intLen (very similar) 
indicating
     '       the similarity in the Soundex representation of the two strings.
     ' Note:
     '   This code is extremely low-tech. Don't laugh! It just compares
     '   the two Soundex strings until it doesn't find a match, and returns
     '   the position where the two diverged.
     '   Remember, two Soundex strings are completely different if the
     '   original words start with different characters. That is, this
     '   function always returns 0 unless the two words begin with the
     '   same character.
     Dim intI As Integer
     If Not fIsSoundex Then
         strItem1 = Soundex(strItem1)
         strItem2 = Soundex(strItem2)
     End If
     For intI = 1 To intLen
         If Mid$(strItem1, intI, 1) <> Mid$(strItem2, intI, 1) Then
             Exit For
         End If
     Next intI
     SoundsLike = (intI - 1)
End Function


At 08:45 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:24:18 -0400
>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <3F961482.29626.108D43 at localhost>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>On 21 Oct 2003 at 20:32, John Colby wrote:
>
> > Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it
> > a class, a single function?  How does it work?
>
>ADH has a Soundex Version. I don't recall if it's a single procedure
>or a series of procedures. I don't think it's a class though.
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>RAM Disk is not an installation technique!



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 11:15:54 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:15:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123C8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Are you using the Access VSS addin that comes with developers edition?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 11:26:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:26:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022101249.0285b800@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEJOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>The real way of "fixing" it would be to have a table of claimants and make
them select them from a list.

That's exactly what happens.  However in order to select the claimant, they
have to get the SSN right which isn't happening.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re: "fuzzy logic" search


John,

If you break the SSN up into its 3-2-4 components,
it would make it a bit easier to do a compare.
I also assume that you would be using a mask
to prevent anything but numbers in it.

The real way of "fixing" it would be to have a table
of claimants and make them select them from a list.

I just did something similar with an ADP to get around
the number of records they would have in a combobox.

Give them 2 text boxes at the bottom of a "select" form
where they would enter the first 3 characters of the
last name and the first 3 of the SSN.  Then limit
the display to those that match and give them a "select"
button to grab the one they want to use.  I had the
select form pop up when I entered the field I wanted
to grab the data for.

Robert

At 07:36 PM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
>duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
>difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
>if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a "fuzzy
>logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
>even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
>"out the door, no parachute")?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com


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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 12:13:12 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:13:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F274uaSXdUjpsz00022679@hotmail.com>

Bryan, this worked perfectly.  Thank you!

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code



> > -----Original Message-----

> > > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in > > 
>the
> > table itself, from number to text?


In A2K, with DAO referenced you can use ALTER TABLE to do it:

Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database

Set db = CurrentDb()
strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Table1 ALTER COLUMN fldText CHAR(10);"

db.Execute (strSQL)

Set db = Nothing

Where CHAR(10) indicated that it is being changed to a text field
with a length of 10 characters.

In my test fldText started out as a Long Integer field.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 13:35:32 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:35:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F274uaSXdUjpsz00022679@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031022183532.26270.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com>



I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Oct 22 14:09:03 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:09:03 -0500
Subject: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0117@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIIELDDBAA.greggs@msn.com>

Virginia,

Is your Access 2K running SP1?

Gregg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:50 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Crashes Sending Email


I have a database set up so an email notification is sent via Outlook for
new task assignments. I have not had any problems until converting the
database from 97 to A2K. Outlook will open with the message completed, but
after I press Send, I get a page fault error and it crashes:
MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at
017f:bff7a138.

What can I do to prevent the database from crashing every time I press Send?
Why is it happening in A2K?

Virginia

This is the code I have on the button to send the emails.
*********************
'New assignment of EFR.
Dim Mess As String, Subject As String, Recipient As String, Cc As String,
Bcc As String
Dim Msg, Style, Title, Response, MyString
    Beep
Msg = "Do you want to send a notification ?"   ' Define message.
Style = vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1 ' Define buttons.
Title = "New EFR Assignment"  ' Define title.

        ' Display message.
Response = MsgBox(Msg, Style, Title)
If Response = vbYes Then    ' User chose Yes.
MyString = "Yes"    ' Perform some action.

    Recipient = DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]")
    Subject = "New Equipment Failure Report EFR-" +
CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000"))
    Cc = "Robert Cross; Chris Hoffman"
    Bcc = "Virginia Hollis"
    Mess = "You have been assigned the following Equipment Failure Report: "
+ vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "EFR-" + CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000")) + vbCrLf + _
    "Assigned to: " + DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]") + vbCrLf + _
    "ATR: " + CStr([ATRNumber]) + vbCrLf + _
    "Date assigned: " + CStr([DateMail]) + vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "Please complete your review within the next five (5) days."

On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.SendObject , , , Recipient, Cc, Bcc, Subject, Mess


Else    ' User chose No.
    MyString = "No" ' Perform some action.

End If


Exit_cmdNew_Click:
Exit Sub

Err_cmdNew_Click:
    Select Case Err
    Case 0      'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   'All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox Error$, , "Error in function Form_frmNewEFR.cmdNew _Click"
    Resume Exit_cmdNew_Click
    End Select
    Resume Next    'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 14:06:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:06:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 




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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 22 14:15:01 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:15:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Visual Source Safe and ADP file
In-Reply-To: <200310221700.h9MH0L626105@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022140218.026a22c0@pop3.highstream.net>

Susan,

I answered this yesterday.

The answer is no.  Since Access stores everything as a binary object, you 
cannot do it in what you would thing would be a "normal" way of doing it.

But, here is a way of exporting the individual objects out to a text file 
so you can store them in VSS individually.  There is also a function to 
recover them from the text file, and 2 sample functions on how to use it.

Public Sub FormLoadFromText(strForm As String, strPath As String)
     ' A2K and later
     ' Loads Form from Text File
     Dim strFullPath As String
     strFullPath = strPath & "\" & strForm & ".txt"
     Application.LoadFromText acForm, strForm, strFullPath
End Sub

Public Sub FormSaveAsText(strForm As String, strPath As String)
     ' A2K and later
     ' Saves Forms to Text Files
     Dim strFullPath As String
     strFullPath = strPath & "\" & strForm & ".txt"
     Application.SaveAsText acForm, strForm, strFullPath
End Sub

Public Sub Setup_Load()
     Dim strPath As String
     strPath = "C:\Projects\Samples\QueryTest"  ' Your path here
     FormLoadFromText "frmTestSub_Dyn", strPath
     FormLoadFromText "frmTestSub_Fn", strPath
     FormLoadFromText "frmTestSub", strPath
     FormLoadFromText "frmTestLst", strPath
End Sub

Public Sub Setup_Save()
     Dim strPath As String
     strPath = "C:\Projects\Samples\QueryTest"  ' Your path here
     FormSaveAsText "frmTestLst", strPath
     FormSaveAsText "frmTestSub", strPath
     FormSaveAsText "frmTestSub_Dyn", strPath
     FormSaveAsText "frmTestSub_Fn", strPath
End Sub

FYI, here are the SaveAsText and LoadFromText options for the first parameter:

acDataAccessPage
acDiagram
acForm
acFunction
acMacro
acModule
acQuery
acReport
acServerView
acStoredProcedure
acTable


At 12:00 PM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:00:12 -0500
>From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
>Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C751A6 at ccemail2.cce.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
>adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
>file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
>report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)
>
>--Susan



From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Oct 22 14:35:14 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:35:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C751B0@ccemail2.cce.local>

Nope, we are using VSS version 6.0. We bought it to use primarily for
our .NET applications, but are going to use it with our ADP's also.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Are you using the Access VSS addin that comes with developers edition?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 22 14:54:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:54:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
Message-ID: <2246378849.20031022215404@cactus.dk>

Hi all

We had a need for a bulletproof method to retrieve the path from a
full filename or from a path with no filename.
Much to my surprise, all the "quickies" I could locate around the net
(including so called expert and guru sites) and the FileSystem object
as well fail for one or more common structures like UNC paths and/or
relative paths.

Also, this was for "air" filenames which may not yet exist so any use
of Dir() and the like was out of the question. Further, InStrRev()
could not be used as it was for A97.

Below is the function. Any comments - indeed those on bugs or
misbehaviour - are appreciated.

Beware of line breaks.

/gustav

PS: A _really_ freaky class implementation which I didn't even
consider to port and test is found here:

  http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/cod_GetChris.htm

<code>

Public Function GetPathOfFile(ByVal strFile As String) As String

' Returns path of full filename.
' Accepts relative path and UNC names.

' Examples:
'
'   c:\name               c:\
'   c:\name\              c:\name\
'   c:\name\file          c:\name\
'   c:name                c:
'   c:name\               c:name\
'   c:name\file           c:name\
'   c:                    c:
'   c:\                   c:\
'   \name                 \
'   \name\                \name\
'   \name\file            \name\
'   .\                    .\
'   .\name                .\
'   .\name\               .\name\
'   .\name\file           .\name\
'   ..\                   ..\
'   ..\name               ..\
'   ..\name\              ..\name\
'   ..\name\file          ..\name\
'   \\fs1                 \\fs1
'   \\fs1\                \\fs1\
'   \\fs1\name            \\fs1\
'   \\fs1\name\           \\fs1\name\
'   \\fs1\name\file       \\fs1\name\
'   vbNullString          vbNullString

' 2003-10-21. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrChrBackslash  As String * 1 = "\"
  Const cstrChrColon      As String * 1 = ":"
  Const clngUNCHeader     As Long = 2
  
  Dim lngPos              As Long
  Dim lngPosPrev          As Long
  Dim lngPosMin           As Long
  Dim strPath             As String
  
  If StrComp(Left(strFile, clngUNCHeader), String(clngUNCHeader, cstrChrBackslash), vbBinaryCompare) = 0 Then
    ' Full name is an UNC path.
    ' Skip leading double slash.
    lngPosMin = clngUNCHeader
  End If
  ' Search for last backslash in full name.
  Do
    lngPosPrev = lngPos
    lngPos = InStr(1 + lngPos + lngPosMin, strFile, cstrChrBackslash, vbBinaryCompare)
  Loop While lngPos > 0
  
  If lngPosPrev > 0 Then
    ' UNC server or drive letter. Path specified in full.
    strPath = Left(strFile, lngPosPrev)
  ElseIf lngPosMin = 0 Then
    ' Current (not known) dir of drive.
    ' Return drive letter only with no trailing backslash.
    strPath = Left(strFile, InStr(strFile, cstrChrColon))
  Else
    ' UNC server name only.
    strPath = strFile
  End If
  
  GetPathOfFile = strPath
  
End Function

</code>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 15:01:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:01:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I haven't tried it with an ADP but to check objects in and out of VSS
for an MDB, you need the VSS add-in that comes with the Office
Developer.  If you add the database to SourceSafe from within Access, it
creates separate objects for forms, reports, macros and modules,
although tables, references and toolbars are all in a combined project
file, so you can only check them out as a group.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Nope, we are using VSS version 6.0. We bought it to use primarily for
our .NET applications, but are going to use it with our ADP's also.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Are you using the Access VSS addin that comes with developers edition?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Oct 22 15:37:04 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:37:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C751B9@ccemail2.cce.local>

We do own the developer tools so I'll put on that add in and try it out.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


I haven't tried it with an ADP but to check objects in and out of VSS
for an MDB, you need the VSS add-in that comes with the Office
Developer.  If you add the database to SourceSafe from within Access, it
creates separate objects for forms, reports, macros and modules,
although tables, references and toolbars are all in a combined project
file, so you can only check them out as a group.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Nope, we are using VSS version 6.0. We bought it to use primarily for
our .NET applications, but are going to use it with our ADP's also.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Are you using the Access VSS addin that comes with developers edition?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 15:58:44 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:58:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20031022205844.43422.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com>



Actually I am writing code in database A and want to export a report object that is in database B.



Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: Is DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 22 16:02:53 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0121@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Yes it is. - SR-1

-----Original Message-----
From: Greggs [mailto:greggs at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email


Virginia,

Is your Access 2K running SP1?

Gregg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:50 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Crashes Sending Email


I have a database set up so an email notification is sent via Outlook for
new task assignments. I have not had any problems until converting the
database from 97 to A2K. Outlook will open with the message completed, but
after I press Send, I get a page fault error and it crashes:
MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at
017f:bff7a138.

What can I do to prevent the database from crashing every time I press Send?
Why is it happening in A2K?

Virginia

This is the code I have on the button to send the emails.
*********************
'New assignment of EFR.
Dim Mess As String, Subject As String, Recipient As String, Cc As String,
Bcc As String
Dim Msg, Style, Title, Response, MyString
    Beep
Msg = "Do you want to send a notification ?"   ' Define message.
Style = vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1 ' Define buttons.
Title = "New EFR Assignment"  ' Define title.

        ' Display message.
Response = MsgBox(Msg, Style, Title)
If Response = vbYes Then    ' User chose Yes.
MyString = "Yes"    ' Perform some action.

    Recipient = DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]")
    Subject = "New Equipment Failure Report EFR-" +
CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000"))
    Cc = "Robert Cross; Chris Hoffman"
    Bcc = "Virginia Hollis"
    Mess = "You have been assigned the following Equipment Failure Report: "
+ vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "EFR-" + CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000")) + vbCrLf + _
    "Assigned to: " + DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]") + vbCrLf + _
    "ATR: " + CStr([ATRNumber]) + vbCrLf + _
    "Date assigned: " + CStr([DateMail]) + vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "Please complete your review within the next five (5) days."

On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.SendObject , , , Recipient, Cc, Bcc, Subject, Mess


Else    ' User chose No.
    MyString = "No" ' Perform some action.

End If


Exit_cmdNew_Click:
Exit Sub

Err_cmdNew_Click:
    Select Case Err
    Case 0      'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   'All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox Error$, , "Error in function Form_frmNewEFR.cmdNew _Click"
    Resume Exit_cmdNew_Click
    End Select
    Resume Next    'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 22 16:26:26 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:26:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Check for Null on a Subform
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0122@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Before a form is closed I need to check for an entry in a certain field
(TypeTask) on a subform. How do I refer to the subform (frm_DDPSub) from a
close button on the main form (frm_DDPMain)?
 
I tried this code on the close button, but get an error - "Object does not
support this property or method". What am I doing wrong?
 
Virginia
 
*****************
  If IsNull(Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.TypeTask) Then
            MsgBox "The type of task must be entered" & vbCrLf, vbCritical,
" Entry Required"
        DoCmd.CancelEvent
        Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub!TypeTask.SetFocus
                        
    Else
        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
        DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
    End If

From greggs at msn.com  Wed Oct 22 16:41:23 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:41:23 -0500
Subject: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0121@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIKELIDBAA.greggs@msn.com>

SR1 had a bug that is fixed in SR3.  Here's the Knowledge Base Article
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;260819&Product=acc20
00

You can either do the work around or get your guys to load up SR3.  As you
will see... SR3 would be more fun.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email


Yes it is. - SR-1

-----Original Message-----
From: Greggs [mailto:greggs at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email


Virginia,

Is your Access 2K running SP1?

Gregg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:50 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Crashes Sending Email


I have a database set up so an email notification is sent via Outlook for
new task assignments. I have not had any problems until converting the
database from 97 to A2K. Outlook will open with the message completed, but
after I press Send, I get a page fault error and it crashes:
MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at
017f:bff7a138.

What can I do to prevent the database from crashing every time I press Send?
Why is it happening in A2K?

Virginia

This is the code I have on the button to send the emails.
*********************
'New assignment of EFR.
Dim Mess As String, Subject As String, Recipient As String, Cc As String,
Bcc As String
Dim Msg, Style, Title, Response, MyString
    Beep
Msg = "Do you want to send a notification ?"   ' Define message.
Style = vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1 ' Define buttons.
Title = "New EFR Assignment"  ' Define title.

        ' Display message.
Response = MsgBox(Msg, Style, Title)
If Response = vbYes Then    ' User chose Yes.
MyString = "Yes"    ' Perform some action.

    Recipient = DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]")
    Subject = "New Equipment Failure Report EFR-" +
CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000"))
    Cc = "Robert Cross; Chris Hoffman"
    Bcc = "Virginia Hollis"
    Mess = "You have been assigned the following Equipment Failure Report: "
+ vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "EFR-" + CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000")) + vbCrLf + _
    "Assigned to: " + DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]") + vbCrLf + _
    "ATR: " + CStr([ATRNumber]) + vbCrLf + _
    "Date assigned: " + CStr([DateMail]) + vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "Please complete your review within the next five (5) days."

On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.SendObject , , , Recipient, Cc, Bcc, Subject, Mess


Else    ' User chose No.
    MyString = "No" ' Perform some action.

End If


Exit_cmdNew_Click:
Exit Sub

Err_cmdNew_Click:
    Select Case Err
    Case 0      'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   'All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox Error$, , "Error in function Form_frmNewEFR.cmdNew _Click"
    Resume Exit_cmdNew_Click
    End Select
    Resume Next    'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Wed Oct 22 16:39:28 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825F1@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 16:47:55 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:47:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Check for Null on a Subform
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0122@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c398e6$2714a3f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Virginia

...try If IsNull(Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.Form!TypeTask) Then

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Check for Null on a Subform


> Before a form is closed I need to check for an entry in a certain field
> (TypeTask) on a subform. How do I refer to the subform (frm_DDPSub) from a
> close button on the main form (frm_DDPMain)?
>
> I tried this code on the close button, but get an error - "Object does not
> support this property or method". What am I doing wrong?
>
> Virginia
>
> *****************
>   If IsNull(Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.TypeTask) Then
>             MsgBox "The type of task must be entered" & vbCrLf,
vbCritical,
> " Entry Required"
>         DoCmd.CancelEvent
>         Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub!TypeTask.SetFocus
>
>     Else
>         DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
>         DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
>     End If
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 16:52:10 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:52:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71B0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <006901c398e6$bf257930$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks for the offer Erwin - I went offline before you sent this but it looks like the client has emptied their mailbox anyway and has now received the 2.8 MB file OK.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erwin Craps 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:41 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Hi Kath

  I have my own server, if I may remove it after he downloaded it you can
  give it over to me....
  My mail supports larger files, mail it to me and I put it on line....
  I don't wanne give you a pass to upload FTP, but he can download it
  without pass if you know the link.

  I mail you the link directly after I have your file.
  I stay another +/- 2 hours here, so mail it asap to me directly.

  I promise to delete it tomorow or so....

  Erwin



  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
  Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Kath Pelletti
  Verzonden: woensdag 22 oktober 2003 14:42
  Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Yep - message back from client was "The recipient(s) indicated below did
  not receive this message 
  because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has 
  been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient 
  and request that space be made available within their mailbox." Yes I do
  have version 8.1 but didn't know that I could split the zip file - so I
  will look into that. Thanks.

  William's tip led me to find a tool called GSplit which I am testing now
  and it looks good (and free).

  The hassle with these  things is that I don't want my client to have to
  jump through any hoops to receive the file - you know what I mean - not
  having to rejoin split files - but maybe that's the only way for now.

  I remember that there used to be a website called XShare (or something
  like that) where you could 5 or 10 MB of data, allocate a password.
  Anyone with the password could retrieve the file simply by clicking on
  the link.....they all seem to be with ongoing paid up membership now.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: DJK(John) Robinson 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


    Kath

    I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
    compacted before zipping?

    If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then you can use
  it to
    split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the
  client
    site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there should be only
  a few
    chunks.

    I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.

    John


    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
    > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
    > Kath Pelletti
    > Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
    > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    > Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
    > 
    > 
    > Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
    > 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
    > 
    > It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
    > and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
    > 
    > (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
    > 
    > 
    > TIA
    > Kath Pelletti
    > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    > Ph: 9505-6714
    > Fax: 9505-6430
    > sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 17:05:09 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:05:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825F1@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKMFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

yes, there is.  One "undocumented" method is to

1) Export the class module to a text file (extension .txt).

2 look for the following at the top of the text file:

VERSION 1.0 CLASS
BEGIN
  MultiUse = -1  'True
END
Attribute VB_Name = "clsMyClassName"
Attribute VB_GlobalNameSpace = False
Attribute VB_Creatable = False
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = False

3) Set

Attribute VB_Creatable = False

to

Attribute VB_Creatable = True

4) Set

Attribute VB_Exposed = False

to

Attribute VB_Exposed = True

5) Save the text file

6) Open the library
7) Click Insert / Class from the file menu
8) The code IDE will open
9) Click Insert / File from the file menu.  Find the file using the file
find browser and select it.

10) The text will be inserted inside of your class.
11) Compile and fix the compile errors.
12) Save the class.

You should now be able to "see" the classes from a FE that references your
library, use intellisense on it etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 22 17:09:40 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:09:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7816@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Well here is my little GetPath routine which does not use InstrRev either,
but seems a lot simpler than yours. It also returns the same results as your
function ...

Function GetPath(aPath) As String
' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
' leaves the trailing slash on there
Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
    aSlash = 0
    foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
    While (foo > 0)
        aSlash = foo
        foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
    Wend
    If aSlash > 0 Then
        GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
    Else
        GetPath = aPath
    End If
End Function

This little routine was written before I'd written a version of InstrRev for
Access97...

Function InStrR(varText As Variant, strFind As String) As Integer
   Dim n As Integer, nStart As Integer
    n = Len(strFind)
    If IsNull(varText) Or n = 0 Then
        InStrR = 0
        Exit Function
    End If
    nStart = Len(varText) - n
    While nStart > 0
        n = InStr(nStart, varText, strFind)
        If n = 0 Then
            nStart = nStart - 1
        Else
            InStrR = n
            Exit Function
        End If
    Wend
    InStrR = 0
End Function

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:54 PM
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Get path from full file name
> 
> Hi all
> 
> We had a need for a bulletproof method to retrieve the path from a
> full filename or from a path with no filename.
> Much to my surprise, all the "quickies" I could locate around the net
> (including so called expert and guru sites) and the FileSystem object
> as well fail for one or more common structures like UNC paths and/or
> relative paths.
> 
> Also, this was for "air" filenames which may not yet exist so any use
> of Dir() and the like was out of the question. Further, InStrRev()
> could not be used as it was for A97.
> 
> Below is the function. Any comments - indeed those on bugs or
> misbehaviour - are appreciated.
> 
> Beware of line breaks.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> PS: A _really_ freaky class implementation which I didn't even
> consider to port and test is found here:
> 
>   http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/cod_GetChris.htm
> 
> <code>
> 
> Public Function GetPathOfFile(ByVal strFile As String) As String
> 
> ' Returns path of full filename.
> ' Accepts relative path and UNC names.
> 
> ' Examples:
> '
> '   c:\name               c:\
> '   c:\name\              c:\name\
> '   c:\name\file          c:\name\
> '   c:name                c:
> '   c:name\               c:name\
> '   c:name\file           c:name\
> '   c:                    c:
> '   c:\                   c:\
> '   \name                 \
> '   \name\                \name\
> '   \name\file            \name\
> '   .\                    .\
> '   .\name                .\
> '   .\name\               .\name\
> '   .\name\file           .\name\
> '   ..\                   ..\
> '   ..\name               ..\
> '   ..\name\              ..\name\
> '   ..\name\file          ..\name\
> '   \\fs1                 \\fs1
> '   \\fs1\                \\fs1\
> '   \\fs1\name            \\fs1\
> '   \\fs1\name\           \\fs1\name\
> '   \\fs1\name\file       \\fs1\name\
> '   vbNullString          vbNullString
> 
> ' 2003-10-21. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.
> 
>   Const cstrChrBackslash  As String * 1 = "\"
>   Const cstrChrColon      As String * 1 = ":"
>   Const clngUNCHeader     As Long = 2
>   
>   Dim lngPos              As Long
>   Dim lngPosPrev          As Long
>   Dim lngPosMin           As Long
>   Dim strPath             As String
>   
>   If StrComp(Left(strFile, clngUNCHeader), String(clngUNCHeader,
> cstrChrBackslash), vbBinaryCompare) = 0 Then
>     ' Full name is an UNC path.
>     ' Skip leading double slash.
>     lngPosMin = clngUNCHeader
>   End If
>   ' Search for last backslash in full name.
>   Do
>     lngPosPrev = lngPos
>     lngPos = InStr(1 + lngPos + lngPosMin, strFile, cstrChrBackslash,
> vbBinaryCompare)
>   Loop While lngPos > 0
>   
>   If lngPosPrev > 0 Then
>     ' UNC server or drive letter. Path specified in full.
>     strPath = Left(strFile, lngPosPrev)
>   ElseIf lngPosMin = 0 Then
>     ' Current (not known) dir of drive.
>     ' Return drive letter only with no trailing backslash.
>     strPath = Left(strFile, InStr(strFile, cstrChrColon))
>   Else
>     ' UNC server name only.
>     strPath = strFile
>   End If
>   
>   GetPathOfFile = strPath
>   
> End Function
> 
> </code>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 22 17:17:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:17:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Soundex Function
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022105839.026fb1d8@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <200310221345.h9MDjW632043@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F978EA7.31248.3FDF0C@localhost>

On 22 Oct 2003 at 11:00, Robert L. Stewart wrote:
>      '   Return Value:
>      '       Integer between 0 (not similar) and intLen (very similar) 
> indicating
>      '       the similarity in the Soundex representation of the two strings.
>      ' Note:
>      '   This code is extremely low-tech. Don't laugh! It just compares
>      '   the two Soundex strings until it doesn't find a match, and returns
>      '   the position where the two diverged.
>      '   Remember, two Soundex strings are completely different if the
>      '   original words start with different characters. That is, this
>      '   function always returns 0 unless the two words begin with the
>      '   same character.

Take a look at the "Hamming Distance" function I posted earlier. That 
is a generally accepted measure of the "differentness" of thwo 
strings.

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 22 17:17:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:17:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F978EA7.2090.3FE04D@localhost>

On 22 Oct 2003 at 9:26, John Colby wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> Could you comment the code for me?  I have no idea what the hamming distance
> is trying to accomplish and don't wish to take a class to figure it out.
> Just a 1 paragraph overview at te top and a couple of line comments thrown
> in would be a great help.
> 

Sorry, I thought it was fairly obvious.

Hamming Distance is a measure of the "differentness" of two strings:
It is just a count  of the number of locations within a string  which 
are different. The function just checks whether the two strings are 
the same length and then steps through them comparing the character 
at each location.

I used a flag of -1 to indicate that the strings where a different 
length.
A perfect match  has a Hamming Distance of 0.
If one character has been mistyped, there will be a Hamming Distance 
of 1.  If two mistypes (including  a transposition of two digits) the 
Hamming Distance will be 2 etc.

I just check for a Hamming Distance of 1, or a distance of 2 where 
the checksum of the two strings is the same (an indication that they 
are likely to contain the same set of characters)

 
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Support.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 17:21:39 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:21:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Export what, the object or the report it generates?  It isn't clear
exactly what you want to do.  Is the code supposed to execute in
database A to open database B and do something there?  Is database B
open or being opened at all, or what?

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:59 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




Actually I am writing code in database A and want to export a report
object that is in database B.



Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: Is
DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 17:30:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:30:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F978EA7.2090.3FE04D@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEKOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 22 Oct 2003 at 9:26, John Colby wrote:

> Stuart,
>
> Could you comment the code for me?  I have no idea what the hamming
distance
> is trying to accomplish and don't wish to take a class to figure it out.
> Just a 1 paragraph overview at te top and a couple of line comments thrown
> in would be a great help.
>

Sorry, I thought it was fairly obvious.

Hamming Distance is a measure of the "differentness" of two strings:
It is just a count  of the number of locations within a string  which
are different. The function just checks whether the two strings are
the same length and then steps through them comparing the character
at each location.

I used a flag of -1 to indicate that the strings where a different
length.
A perfect match  has a Hamming Distance of 0.
If one character has been mistyped, there will be a Hamming Distance
of 1.  If two mistypes (including  a transposition of two digits) the
Hamming Distance will be 2 etc.

I just check for a Hamming Distance of 1, or a distance of 2 where
the checksum of the two strings is the same (an indication that they
are likely to contain the same set of characters)


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 22 17:33:47 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:33:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Check for Null on a Subform
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0122@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3F97926B.12791.4E93A4@localhost>

On 22 Oct 2003 at 16:26, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> Before a form is closed I need to check for an entry in a certain field
> (TypeTask) on a subform. How do I refer to the subform (frm_DDPSub) from a
> close button on the main form (frm_DDPMain)?
>  
Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.Form!TypeTask)
instead of
Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.TypeTask
(Note the extra "Form!")


 
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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Oct 22 20:49:14 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:49:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227346@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <011401c39907$e4e17ef0$6501a8c0@rock>

Just out of curiosity, has anyone followed this up with actual
benchmarks? (I ask this because a man with whom I communicate
frequently, Joe Celko, a well-known SQL expert, has said that the lookup
speed difference between a 10-char value and a long int on modern
systems is the least significant of our problems.)

Assuming you code 5+4 zips as 9-digit zips (eliminating the "-"), does
anyone on the list have a sufficiently large sample to actually
benchmark this meaningfully? By that I mean that about 1M rows, two
columns, one of each data type, indexes to suit, and a timer to verify
the results?

And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have any ideas on how to
negate the cache in repeated searches? I'm thinking that the way is to
search for non-existent values, but that's just an armchair guess
unsupported by facts or knowledge about cache-algorithms.

Anybody got such a db that you can send me without violating copyrights
etc.?

Assuming factorial(9) is the maximum number of 5+4 zip codes, what is
the actual number currently?

Is there any zip code that begins with "0"? And if so, what about "00"?

Is there any logic to the expansion from 5 to 5+4? I.e., they put in a
housing development in zip 97600, each of ten buildings sufficiently
large to warrant its own zip code, how are they assigned? Incrementally?
(Not necessarily step 1).

One final question: is there any extant zip code that spans more than
one city or town or other regional designation?

Curiosity killed the programmer.

TIA,
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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed Oct 22 20:05:28 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:05:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120FD2@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

I usually put files like this on the root of my website.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
> Importance: High
> 
> 
> Hi Kath
> 
> I have my own server, if I may remove it after he downloaded 
> it you can
> give it over to me....
> My mail supports larger files, mail it to me and I put it on line....
> I don't wanne give you a pass to upload FTP, but he can download it
> without pass if you know the link.
> 
> I mail you the link directly after I have your file.
> I stay another +/- 2 hours here, so mail it asap to me directly.
> 
> I promise to delete it tomorow or so....
> 
> Erwin
> 
> 
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Kath Pelletti
> Verzonden: woensdag 22 oktober 2003 14:42
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
> 
> 
> Yep - message back from client was "The recipient(s) 
> indicated below did
> not receive this message 
> because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has 
> been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient 
> and request that space be made available within their 
> mailbox." Yes I do
> have version 8.1 but didn't know that I could split the zip 
> file - so I
> will look into that. Thanks.
> 
> William's tip led me to find a tool called GSplit which I am 
> testing now
> and it looks good (and free).
> 
> The hassle with these  things is that I don't want my client 
> to have to
> jump through any hoops to receive the file - you know what I 
> mean - not
> having to rejoin split files - but maybe that's the only way for now.
> 
> I remember that there used to be a website called XShare (or something
> like that) where you could 5 or 10 MB of data, allocate a password.
> Anyone with the password could retrieve the file simply by clicking on
> the link.....they all seem to be with ongoing paid up membership now.
> 
> Kath
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: DJK(John) Robinson 
>   To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
> 
> 
>   Kath
> 
>   I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
>   compacted before zipping?
> 
>   If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then 
> you can use
> it to
>   split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the
> client
>   site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there 
> should be only
> a few
>   chunks.
> 
>   I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.
> 
>   John
> 
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>   > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>   > Kath Pelletti
>   > Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
>   > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>   > Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
>   > 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
>   > 
>   > It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
>   > and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
>   > 
>   > (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
>   > 
>   > 
>   > TIA
>   > Kath Pelletti
>   > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
>   > Ph: 9505-6714
>   > Fax: 9505-6430
>   > sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 20:48:29 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:48:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEGPDGAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEIBDGAA.askolits@ot.com>


I didn't get a response from this and I could really use the help. This is
holding me up on a delivering a project so if anyone has and code to do
this, it would be greatly appreciated.


I just want to change the option for a report between Default printer and
Specific printer in code. Do I have to use DEVMODE and DEVNAMES structures
to do this? Access 2000.

I read Chap 10 of the Dev Handbook but it doesn't really explain 'easily'
how to change that setting. It's fairly non-descript when it comes to
changing that particular report's option.


John


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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 20:57:08 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:57:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
In-Reply-To: <000901c398ac$7c96a470$bc449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEICDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

I like that "You da man thing"

Thanks. Makes it all worthwhile when someone appreciates a helping hand.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


John
You da man!!!

This is absolutely perfect. This has been an area I have been putting off
for so long, you
have made it all so easy.
This list and its inhabitants are way cool.

Many many thanks

Darren

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


>
> You can use the Shell, but I sometimes ran into problems with it.
> This function will actually return a True or False if its registered or
not.
>
> Here's an example on how to use it:
>
> Register The Control
> call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)
>
> Unregister control
> call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)
>
>
>
> Here's the code I use:
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lLibFileName
As
> String) As Long
> Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32" (lThreadAttributes As
> Any, _
>     ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As Long, ByVal larameter
> As Long, _
>     ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hHandle
> As Long, _
>     ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hModule As
> Long, _
>     ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
> Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32" Alias
"CallWindowProcA"
> _
>     (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal Msg As Long, _
>     ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hLibModule As
> Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As
Long)
> As Long
> Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hThread
As
> Long, _
>     lExitCode As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lExitCode As Long)
>
>
>
>
> Function lbf_RegisterOCX(ByVal sFilePath As String, _
>     Optional bRegister As Boolean = True) As Boolean
>
>     Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long, lThreadID As Long, _
>         lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As Long
>     Dim sRegister As String
>
>
''**************************************************************************
> ******
> ''                         Procedure Identification
>
''--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ''    Name:         lbf_RegisterOCX
> ''
> ''    Purpose:  This function registers and Unregisters OLE components
> ''
> ''    Results:  Returns True if successful
> ''
> ''    Inputs:   sFilePath - The path to the DLL/OCX or ActiveX EXE
> ''               bRegister - If True Registers the control, else
unregisters
> control
> ''
> ''
> ''    Date/Author:   Andrewb 04/09/2000 Loaded into CDD Lib 10/07/03 John
> Skolits
>
''**************************************************************************
> ******
>
> On Error GoTo lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR
>
> '*********BEGIN CODE HERE ********
> Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20 secs for register to
> complete
>
>     If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0 Then
>         'File exists
>         If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
>             'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
>             If bRegister Then
>                 'Register EXE
>                 Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
>             Else
>                 'Unregister ActiveX EXE
>                 Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER", vbHide
>             End If
>             lbf_RegisterOCX = True
>         Else
>             'Register/Unregister DLL
>             If bRegister Then
>                 sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
>             Else
>                 sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
>             End If
>
>             'Load library into current process
>             lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)
>
>             If lLibAddress Then
>                 'Get address of the DLL function
>                 lProcAddress = GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
>                 If lProcAddress Then
>                     lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&, _
>                     ByVal lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
>                     If lThread Then
>                         'Created thread and wait for it to terminate
>                         lSuccess = (WaitForSingleObject(lThread,
> clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
>                         If Not lSuccess Then
>                             'Failed to register, close thread
>                             Call GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
>                             Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
>                             lbf_RegisterOCX = False
>                         Else
>                             'Successfully registered component
>                             lbf_RegisterOCX = True
>                             Call CloseHandle(lThread)
>                         End If
>                     End If
>                     Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
>                 Else
>                     'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
>                     Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
>                 End If
>             End If
>         End If
>     End If
>     Exit Function
>
> lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT:
>
> Exit Function
>
> lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR:                                    'Display the error
>
>
>             MsgBox "ERROR CODE:" & Err & "   DESC:" & Error
>
>             Resume lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT
>
> End Function
>
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 21:14:59 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:14:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEIBDGAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3990b$75a87490$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

John

...if the code in the ADH and the sample on Dev's site still don't get you
where you need to be, I'd suggest you dl AGSoft's "On The Fly Printing"
module ...it won't get any simpler and at $25, its cheap as well ...you can
dl a demo db to see if it does what you need.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/acgsoft.htm

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.


>
> I didn't get a response from this and I could really use the help. This is
> holding me up on a delivering a project so if anyone has and code to do
> this, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> I just want to change the option for a report between Default printer and
> Specific printer in code. Do I have to use DEVMODE and DEVNAMES structures
> to do this? Access 2000.
>
> I read Chap 10 of the Dev Handbook but it doesn't really explain 'easily'
> how to change that setting. It's fairly non-descript when it comes to
> changing that particular report's option.
>
>
> John
>
>
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 21:28:10 2003
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:28:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
References: <011401c39907$e4e17ef0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <01ec01c3990d$4d675cb0$c8d12043@hive>

Zip codes start with 00210 at Portsmouth, NH and go through to 99950 at
Ketchikan, AK





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:49 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was: Number vs text data type)


> Just out of curiosity, has anyone followed this up with actual
> benchmarks? (I ask this because a man with whom I communicate
> frequently, Joe Celko, a well-known SQL expert, has said that the lookup
> speed difference between a 10-char value and a long int on modern
> systems is the least significant of our problems.)
>
> Assuming you code 5+4 zips as 9-digit zips (eliminating the "-"), does
> anyone on the list have a sufficiently large sample to actually
> benchmark this meaningfully? By that I mean that about 1M rows, two
> columns, one of each data type, indexes to suit, and a timer to verify
> the results?
>
> And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have any ideas on how to
> negate the cache in repeated searches? I'm thinking that the way is to
> search for non-existent values, but that's just an armchair guess
> unsupported by facts or knowledge about cache-algorithms.
>
> Anybody got such a db that you can send me without violating copyrights
> etc.?
>
> Assuming factorial(9) is the maximum number of 5+4 zip codes, what is
> the actual number currently?
>
> Is there any zip code that begins with "0"? And if so, what about "00"?
>
> Is there any logic to the expansion from 5 to 5+4? I.e., they put in a
> housing development in zip 97600, each of ten buildings sufficiently
> large to warrant its own zip code, how are they assigned? Incrementally?
> (Not necessarily step 1).
>
> One final question: is there any extant zip code that spans more than
> one city or town or other regional designation?
>
> Curiosity killed the programmer.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
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From caa at highway.com.br  Wed Oct 22 21:31:51 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:31:51 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] Documenting a Database
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMECLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMECLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <oprxg5bdukeuy8y3@localhost>

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:58:19 -0500, John B. <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Hi Greg:
> There are a number of utilities for this, some are free. You should be 
> able
> to google them up. I use FMS Total Access Analyzer. It has features 
> galore
> and they offer tech support via their public FMS forums.
>
> HTH
> John B.

There is a freeware called Ezy Documenter 2000 from AAD Consulting at 
http://www.aadconsulting.cjb.net
HTH,
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 21:44:52 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:44:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.
In-Reply-To: <000501c3990b$75a87490$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEIDDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

Great, I'll give it as shot


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and
default.


John

...if the code in the ADH and the sample on Dev's site still don't get you
where you need to be, I'd suggest you dl AGSoft's "On The Fly Printing"
module ...it won't get any simpler and at $25, its cheap as well ...you can
dl a demo db to see if it does what you need.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/acgsoft.htm

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.


>
> I didn't get a response from this and I could really use the help. This is
> holding me up on a delivering a project so if anyone has and code to do
> this, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> I just want to change the option for a report between Default printer and
> Specific printer in code. Do I have to use DEVMODE and DEVNAMES structures
> to do this? Access 2000.
>
> I read Chap 10 of the Dev Handbook but it doesn't really explain 'easily'
> how to change that setting. It's fairly non-descript when it comes to
> changing that particular report's option.
>
>
> John
>
>
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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 22 21:55:58 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:55:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <011401c39907$e4e17ef0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEPIFLAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Arthur

To further help answer your question about "do any start with zero, etc", I
have a small DB with accompanying CBF that contains all U.S. zip codes and
the code to populate city and state fields based upon the zip code input.
Yours (and anyone else's) for the asking ... off-list, of course!

Regards,
Bob Gajewski


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 21:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was: Number vs text data type)


Just out of curiosity, has anyone followed this up with actual
benchmarks? (I ask this because a man with whom I communicate
frequently, Joe Celko, a well-known SQL expert, has said that the lookup
speed difference between a 10-char value and a long int on modern
systems is the least significant of our problems.)

Assuming you code 5+4 zips as 9-digit zips (eliminating the "-"), does
anyone on the list have a sufficiently large sample to actually
benchmark this meaningfully? By that I mean that about 1M rows, two
columns, one of each data type, indexes to suit, and a timer to verify
the results?

And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have any ideas on how to
negate the cache in repeated searches? I'm thinking that the way is to
search for non-existent values, but that's just an armchair guess
unsupported by facts or knowledge about cache-algorithms.

Anybody got such a db that you can send me without violating copyrights
etc.?

Assuming factorial(9) is the maximum number of 5+4 zip codes, what is
the actual number currently?

Is there any zip code that begins with "0"? And if so, what about "00"?

Is there any logic to the expansion from 5 to 5+4? I.e., they put in a
housing development in zip 97600, each of ten buildings sufficiently
large to warrant its own zip code, how are they assigned? Incrementally?
(Not necessarily step 1).

One final question: is there any extant zip code that spans more than
one city or town or other regional designation?

Curiosity killed the programmer.

TIA,
Arthur

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From lists at jbsolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 23 00:57:03 2003
From: lists at jbsolutions.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:57:3 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mini Access
Message-ID: <200310230557.h9N5v5617390@databaseadvisors.com>

Group,

Just came across this in my travels and thought it may be handy for someone out there. It's a freeware program called mini-access which allows you quick 'n' dirty access to mdb files without ms access installed. It allows you full access to sql functionality, so you can create indexes, build relationships, new tables, new fields, query the data, etc etc. The interface is one that only a mother could love, but it weighs in at 98kb.

Get it here... http://www.kunsthumaniorahasselt.be/voes/software/sql.html

(No, I'm not affiliated, just thought it looked handy)

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
lists at jbsolutions.com.au
www.jbsolutions.com.au
2003-10-23




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 02:11:31 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:11:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mini Access
In-Reply-To: <200310230557.h9N5v5617390@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F980BC3.17555.2289705@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 15:57, Joshua B wrote:

> Just came across this in my travels and thought it may be handy for
> someone out there. It's a freeware program called mini-access which
> allows you quick 'n' dirty access to mdb files without ms access
> installed. It allows you full access to sql functionality, so you can
> create indexes, build relationships, new tables, new fields, query the
> data, etc etc. The interface is one that only a mother could love, but
> it weighs in at 98kb. 
> 
> Get it here... http://www.kunsthumaniorahasselt.be/voes/software/sql.html
> 

It looks great.  A quick and easy way to check field names and  
types, indexes etc for any table in the BE when are working in the 
FE.
No more having to switch to the Table tab and then being told that 
you can't view the table design while you have a form open in design 
mode.   It even shows full details of relationships to the current 
table.

Also handy for checking all the current items and keys in a lookup 
table.

I can see me using it a lot.  :-)



 
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Oct 23 03:16:39 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:16:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access Dev Tools in Office 2003
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D85@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hi,

just read the first mention of Dev. Tools for Access in office 2003
seems like VS.net is a must have......... good or bad?

Microsoft links Visual Studio, Office system
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/10/14/HNvboffice_1.html

alun





From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 23 03:34:10 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:34:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mini Access
References: <3F980BC3.17555.2289705@localhost>
Message-ID: <001301c39940$6e8236d0$6501a8c0@user>

Stuart - out of interest - when would you use this? 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mini Access


  On 23 Oct 2003 at 15:57, Joshua B wrote:

  > Just came across this in my travels and thought it may be handy for
  > someone out there. It's a freeware program called mini-access which
  > allows you quick 'n' dirty access to mdb files without ms access
  > installed. It allows you full access to sql functionality, so you can
  > create indexes, build relationships, new tables, new fields, query the
  > data, etc etc. The interface is one that only a mother could love, but
  > it weighs in at 98kb. 
  > 
  > Get it here... http://www.kunsthumaniorahasselt.be/voes/software/sql.html
  > 

  It looks great.  A quick and easy way to check field names and  
  types, indexes etc for any table in the BE when are working in the 
  FE.
  No more having to switch to the Table tab and then being told that 
  you can't view the table design while you have a form open in design 
  mode.   It even shows full details of relationships to the current 
  table.

  Also handy for checking all the current items and keys in a lookup 
  table.

  I can see me using it a lot.  :-)



   
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 03:44:31 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:44:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for 001
Message-ID: <20031023084431.32119.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I need to add a number field to a A2k table. This
field is allowed the following values:
001
002
003
004
005

How the f##k do I create validating rules that allow
these numbers WITHOUT access transforming these values
to 1,2,3,4,5?!?!

Any ideas?

TIA

SD


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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Oct 23 04:41:06 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:41:06 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for 001
In-Reply-To: <20031023084431.32119.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c39949$c8815f90$2955a8c0@BITSNB02>

If the field is a number field you cannot have leading zeros.  Access will
always remove them.

You have a couple of options.  Here is 2:

1. Keep the number field, allow 1,2,3,4,5,6.  Use format to display all fields
on forms and reports as 001,002,003,004,005,006.  ie use format with "000"

2. Use a text field and only allow 001,002,003,004,005,006 to be entered.  Text
fields will keep it exactly as typed.

Regards,

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Sad Der
> Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2003 4:45 PM
> To: Acces User Group
> Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for 001
>
>
> Hi group,
>
> I need to add a number field to a A2k table. This
> field is allowed the following values:
> 001
> 002
> 003
> 004
> 005
>
> How the f##k do I create validating rules that allow
> these numbers WITHOUT access transforming these values
> to 1,2,3,4,5?!?!
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA
>
> SD
>
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Oct 23 05:07:49 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:07:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB77C@energys1.energy.local>
	<3F74775D.7010601@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>

Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?


Martin

From viner at eunet.yu  Thu Oct 23 05:16:33 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:16:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
References: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEPIFLAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <006701c3994f$d5ac2280$0100a8c0@razvoj>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 23 October, 2003 4:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was: Number vs text data type)


> Arthur
>
> To further help answer your question about "do any start with zero, etc",
I
> have a small DB with accompanying CBF that contains all U.S. zip codes and
> the code to populate city and state fields based upon the zip code input.
> Yours (and anyone else's) for the asking ... off-list, of course!
>
Bob,
please send me a copy. I'll be interested to take a look.
TIA,
    Ervin



From lists at theopg.com  Thu Oct 23 05:40:36 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:40:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] List view gets drawn in the wrong place
In-Reply-To: <OFBA83E9A6.9843BADB-ONC1256DC6.0030E719@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <000001c39952$17d8d480$d78e6351@netboxxp>

Hello all...

Using AXP on winxp

I have a fairly "busy" form that contains 4 list views (mscomctl - sp 6)

Sometimes, when flicking back and forth on the tab control, the listview
on one of the tabs (not a subform btw) appears at the head of the form
instead of on the tab. It returns to its normal position after flicking
between tabs again...

Any one know whats going on and how to avoid it?

Many thanks...

mark

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Oct 23 06:47:10 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:47:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
Message-ID: <002601c3995c$03f8e4f0$b8449a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3 etc.
The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get it right. :-(
In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 23 07:07:34 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:07:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F786@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Darren why not use a recordset filtering it by [OptionID = 1] to hold the values in your MyCriteria fields and set y = rs.Fields().Value?

'watch for wrapping
<more pseudocode>
Dim sSQL As String
Dim rs As Recordset
	sSQL = "SELECT MyCriteria1, MyCriteria2, MyCriteria3, MyCriteria4, MyCriteria5, MyCriteria6 FROM tblOptions WHERE OptionID = 1"
	For x = 1 to 6
	  y = rs.Fields(x - 1).Value
	  Me.Controls("MyControl" & x) = y
	Next x
</more pseudocode>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3 etc.
The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get it right. :-(
In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct 23 07:14:26 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:14:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
In-Reply-To: <002601c3995c$03f8e4f0$b8449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <000601c3995f$34021380$7001a8c0@COA3>

Instead of:
y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl" & x =  y
TRY

Y=dlookup("mycriteria" & cstr(x), "tbloptions", "optionid=1")
Me("mycontrol" & cstr(x)) = y

Hth
Steve


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially
numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1,
MyControl2,MyControl3 etc. The form they are on is not bound in any way
to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't
get it right. :-( In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] =
1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 23 07:15:47 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:15:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
Message-ID: <10969266.1066911347366.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

Mistake in the line of code below :
y = DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 

shouldn't it be
y = DLookup("[MyCriteria" & x & "]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

If that don't work assign the "[MyCriteria" & x & "]" to a string variable and do the following
y = DLookup(strVariable, "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Paul



Message date : Oct 23 2003, 12:56 PM 
>From : Darren DICK 
To : AccessD List 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop 
Hello all 
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6 

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3 etc. 
The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions. 

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get it right. :-( 
In psuedo code I want something like... 

Dim x, y 
For x = 1 To 6 
y = DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 
Me.MyControl" & x = y 
Next 

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like 

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 

etc but I wanted something neater 

Many thanks in advance 

Darren 


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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Oct 23 07:16:39 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:16:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306622F3@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF61@ADGSERVER>

Darren,

First of all, I'd use a query instead of a DLookup.

But that aside, try this:

y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria"  & x & "]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")


Since it appears that all the data is from one table, why not try something
like:

*** WARNING:  This is untested air code.  But it should get you going on the
right track ***

dim db     as database
dim rs     as recordset
dim strSQL as string
dim x      as long

set db=currentdb()

strSQL="SELECT
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6 " &
_
	"FROM tblOptions " & _
	"WHERE OptionID=1;"

'if you are returning all of the fields, you could use SELECT * FROM...
instead

set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)

with rs
   if not .eof then
	for x=1 to 6
	   me("MyControl" & x) =  nz(rs("MyCriteria" & i))
	   next x
      endif
   .close
   end with

set rs=nothing
db.close
set db=nothing


Note that there is no error handling here.  I think that you will find the
perfomance much better not using the DLookup.

HTH,
Bobby



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially
numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3
etc. The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get
it right. :-( In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct 23 07:17:12 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:17:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71B8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Hi

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria]" &  x, "tblOptions", "[OptionID] =
1")
        Me.fields("MyControl" & x) =  y
Next

Erwin

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Verzonden: donderdag 23 oktober 2003 13:47
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Onderwerp: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially
numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1,
MyControl2,MyControl3 etc. The form they are on is not bound in any way
to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't
get it right. :-( In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] =
1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Thu Oct 23 07:24:50 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:24:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
References: 	<125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB77C@energys1.energy.local><3F74775D.7010601@shaw.ca>
	<006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <010301c39960$a87d4d00$6401a8c0@default>

Martin,

Which GIS package are you referring to?

Mike Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:07 AM
Subject: [AccessD] GIS


> Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
>
>
> Martin
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct 23 07:29:35 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:29:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Zip Code questions
In-Reply-To: <200310230106.h9N16p609574@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031023070531.02767418@pop3.highstream.net>

Arthur,

I have read each of Celko's books.  Not only is he an expert, he is on the 
standards board for SQL.

I do not have the Zip+4 database.  Since the +4 portion narrows it down to 
individual houses, it would be huge and expensive.  What I do have is a 
table I generated from census tract data that has about 3/4 of a million 
records for street address ranges for the state of Texas.  It includes the 
zip code and an autonumber type primary key.  Just the one table in an 
Access mdb is about 250 meg.  I have not run any statistics on it, but 1) 
it is running on SQL Server and 2) the zip and the street alpha columns are 
indexed.  A search for a specific zip with a portion of the street name
(WHERE (((tbl_Address_Street.ZIPCode)="77418") AND 
((tbl_Address_Street.StreetSort) Like "*hol*")))
takes less than 1 second to return 10 records.

None of the zip codes in this db start with zero because that is an east 
coast thing since the numbering starts from east to west.  In my db of 5 
place zip codes there are just over 42,200 entries and the first ones start 
with "005."  There are no duplicates when looking at Zip, City, County, and 
State.

Does this help?

Robert

P.S.  Weren't you the developer of ArtfulLib for Clipper?

At 08:06 PM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:49:14 -0700
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <011401c39907$e4e17ef0$6501a8c0 at rock>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="Windows-1252"
>
>Just out of curiosity, has anyone followed this up with actual
>benchmarks? (I ask this because a man with whom I communicate
>frequently, Joe Celko, a well-known SQL expert, has said that the lookup
>speed difference between a 10-char value and a long int on modern
>systems is the least significant of our problems.)
>
>Assuming you code 5+4 zips as 9-digit zips (eliminating the "-"), does
>anyone on the list have a sufficiently large sample to actually
>benchmark this meaningfully? By that I mean that about 1M rows, two
>columns, one of each data type, indexes to suit, and a timer to verify
>the results?
>
>And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have any ideas on how to
>negate the cache in repeated searches? I'm thinking that the way is to
>search for non-existent values, but that's just an armchair guess
>unsupported by facts or knowledge about cache-algorithms.
>
>Anybody got such a db that you can send me without violating copyrights
>etc.?
>
>Assuming factorial(9) is the maximum number of 5+4 zip codes, what is
>the actual number currently?
>
>Is there any zip code that begins with "0"? And if so, what about "00"?
>
>Is there any logic to the expansion from 5 to 5+4? I.e., they put in a
>housing development in zip 97600, each of ten buildings sufficiently
>large to warrant its own zip code, how are they assigned? Incrementally?
>(Not necessarily step 1).
>
>One final question: is there any extant zip code that spans more than
>one city or town or other regional designation?
>
>Curiosity killed the programmer.
>
>TIA,
>Arthur



From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 07:30:21 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20031023123021.16425.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com>



Forgive me for my lack of clarity. My mind was going but my fingers were not. I have database A and B. I want to write a VBA procedure in database A that will export a report in database B to a snapshot file.


Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: Export what, the object or the report it generates? It isn't clear
exactly what you want to do. Is the code supposed to execute in
database A to open database B and do something there? Is database B
open or being opened at all, or what?

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:59 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




Actually I am writing code in database A and want to export a report
object that is in database B.



Charlotte Foust wrote: Is
DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 07:31:06 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:31:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
In-Reply-To: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <3F9856AA.16919.1928F0@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 11:07, Martin Reid wrote:

> Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
> 
> 
I've done a bit of MapInfo / Access data sharing.
What's the question?

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Oct 23 07:36:33 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:36:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
References: <3F9856AA.16919.1928F0@localhost>
Message-ID: <00e201c39962$54418290$9111758f@aine>

Just checking out resources at the moment. Will be more specific when I get
the requirements docs in. AT the moment all I know is that we will be
required to work with a "GIS" system of some sort.


Martin


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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] GIS


> On 23 Oct 2003 at 11:07, Martin Reid wrote:
>
> > Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
> >
> >
> I've done a bit of MapInfo / Access data sharing.
> What's the question?
>
>
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Oct 23 07:41:36 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:41:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] GIS - OT
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE5A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>


I tend to name the main code module in my Access dbs modGIS!

Where GIS stands for "Geeky Inside Stuff"!

Chris F

> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:07 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] GIS
> 
> 
> > Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
> >
> >
> > Martin
> 

From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 07:43:52 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>




Got it.

 
'*****  CODE START  *****
Public Sub ExportReport()
    
    Dim objApp As Access.Application
    Set objApp = New Access.Application
    objApp.OpenCurrentDatabase ("C:\Reporting.mdb")
    
    objApp.DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptAccountHistory", "Snapshot Format", "C:\NewSnapshot.snp"
    
    MsgBox ("Done!")
    
End Sub
'*****  CODE END *****

Thanks for you time.



Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: Export what, the object or the report it generates? It isn't clear
exactly what you want to do. Is the code supposed to execute in
database A to open database B and do something there? Is database B
open or being opened at all, or what?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




Actually I am writing code in database A and want to export a report
object that is in database B.



Charlotte Foust wrote: Is
DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 23 07:44:11 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:44:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
In-Reply-To: <002601c3995c$03f8e4f0$b8449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEPAHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Darren,

It would look like this:

Dim lngLoop
Dim strFieldName as string

For lngLoop = 1 To 6

  strFieldName = "[MyCriteria" & lngLoop & "]"
  Me("MyControl" & lngLoop) =  DLookup(strFieldName, "tblOptions",
"[OptionID] = 1")

Next

  But really any time you pull more then 2 or 3 fields with DLookup from the
same record, it will be faster to open the recordset, seek to the record,
then pull all the fields at one time.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially
numbered
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3
etc.
The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get
it right. :-(
In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 07:52:28 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:52:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mini Access
In-Reply-To: <001301c39940$6e8236d0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <3F985BAC.32053.2CB8A6@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 18:34, Kath Pelletti wrote concerning Mini Access:

> Stuart - out of interest - when would you use this? 

I often find myself going into to table design view  to check field 
names, indexes etc when I am in the VBA editor when building SQL 
statements or using fields in recordsets. Also when building record 
sources SQL strings for lookup combo boxes etc. in the form designer. 
 
When you work on as many systems in different locations as I do, 
sometimes going back and modifying/enhancing systems that I 
originally developed months or years ago, it gets very difficult to 
remember exact table structures, field names, index structures and 
all relationships. Currently I have to close the form I am working on 
(if it is bound, you can't open the table definition while the form 
is open, even in design mode), switch to the Tables tab, select the 
table and wait for it to open in design view ( which can take seconds 
if the BE is on a LAN). Then note the information  I am looking for, 
close the table, reopen the form and go back into the VBA editor.  

Keeping this app open will let me  quickly flick backwards and 
forwards between the table definition and the code without leaving 
the line of code I am on.  

It will be a real time saver for me.

 
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 08:35:51 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:35:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for 001  <<SOLVED>>
In-Reply-To: <004b01c39949$c8815f90$2955a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <20031023133551.808.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>

Thnx Stuart.

Regards

sd
--- Stuart Sanders <stuart at pacific.net.hk> wrote:
> If the field is a number field you cannot have
> leading zeros.  Access will
> always remove them.
> 
> You have a couple of options.  Here is 2:
> 
> 1. Keep the number field, allow 1,2,3,4,5,6.  Use
> format to display all fields
> on forms and reports as 001,002,003,004,005,006.  ie
> use format with "000"
> 
> 2. Use a text field and only allow
> 001,002,003,004,005,006 to be entered.  Text
> fields will keep it exactly as typed.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stuart
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Sad Der
> > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2003 4:45 PM
> > To: Acces User Group
> > Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for
> 001
> >
> >
> > Hi group,
> >
> > I need to add a number field to a A2k table. This
> > field is allowed the following values:
> > 001
> > 002
> > 003
> > 004
> > 005
> >
> > How the f##k do I create validating rules that
> allow
> > these numbers WITHOUT access transforming these
> values
> > to 1,2,3,4,5?!?!
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > SD
> >
> >
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Oct 23 08:43:05 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:43:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEPAHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00a601c3996b$96c3ca70$b8449a89@DDICK>

Hi All
Thanks so much to those who replied

I went with the recordset option. As someone pointed out more than 3 Dlookups in a go 
becomes a PITA for performance etc etc.

I am so gratefull - I am also impressed you guys could type that from the top of your heads
Way cool

Thanks again

Darren


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 23 08:50:22 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:50:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7819@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Hello Gustav,

"You didn't run any test on it, did you?" - that's a pretty big assumption
isn't it? I did run test and got the same results as you did, with those two
exceptions, which I managed to overlook. <g>

<pedant mode>
Strictly speaking, the drive letter and the server name are not part of the
file path in any case. The path is the route of folders that must be
traversed to reach the file on the storage device,
</pedant mode>
but if you want to emulate the results of your routine, here's a simple
modification of mine...

Function GetPath(aPath) As String
' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
' leaves the trailing slash on there
Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
    aSlash = 0
    foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
    While (foo > 0)
        aSlash = foo
        foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
    Wend
    If aSlash > 0 Then
        If aSlash = 2 Then
            GetPath = aPath
        Else
            GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
        End If
    Else
        If (Left(UCase(aPath), 1) >= "A" And Left(UCase(aPath), 1) <= "Z") _
            And Mid(aPath, 2, 1) = ":" Then
            GetPath = Left(aPath, 2)
        Else
          GetPath = aPath
        End If
    End If
End Function

BTW, did you check out the InstrR() function for A97?

Lambert
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:25 AM
> To:	Heenan, Lambert
> Subject:	[AccessD] Get path from full file name
> 
> Hi Lambert
> 
> You didn't run any test on it, did you?
> 
> It is similar to the quickies found many places and it fails for paths
> like "\\fs1" and "c:file".
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Well here is my little GetPath routine which does not use InstrRev
> either,
> > but seems a lot simpler than yours. It also returns the same results as
> your
> > function ...

From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu Oct 23 09:11:47 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:11:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Recent List Changes
References: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856>

Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to
provide for text only messages.  This change, implemented on over 25 lists was
well
prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change
were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website.  We
experienced no surprises and no problems resulted.  With the exception of the
announcement,  the change went unnoticed.

This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes
implemented.  This great success was only possible with the careful preparation
and
documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell.

Thank you very much for this great work.

Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA
Donna Cook, VP DBA





From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 23 09:20:46 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:20:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [dba-OT] Recent List Changes
Message-ID: <BAY2-F105aTqn8yuRcw00006693@hotmail.com>

Yes, Great Job Bryan! Thanks a lot for all your time and effort!

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
>Reply-To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>,   <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,   
>"Board Of Directors of DBA" <dba-bod at databaseadvisors.com>,   "DBA 
>Executive Team" <dba-exec at databaseadvisors.com>,   
><ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com>, <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>,   
><dba-owners at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-OT] Recent List Changes
>Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:11:47 +0200
>
>Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to
>provide for text only messages.  This change, implemented on over 25 lists 
>was
>well
>prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the 
>change
>were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website.  We
>experienced no surprises and no problems resulted.  With the exception of 
>the
>announcement,  the change went unnoticed.
>
>This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes
>implemented.  This great success was only possible with the careful 
>preparation
>and
>documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell.
>
>Thank you very much for this great work.
>
>Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA
>Donna Cook, VP DBA
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 23 09:47:16 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:47:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
In-Reply-To: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEOKCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Martin:

Which GIS product are you interested in?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] GIS


Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 10:30:05 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:30:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273BC@main2.marlow.com>

Read the devx article.  Doesn't really apply.  I don't want an application
variable, because I want the sessions to timeout on their own.  Which the
Session object does.  I don't want what I am storing to be loaded until the
server is restarted.  I am not storing a 'connection' object, per se, but an
ActiveX DLL class, which just happens to also have a live connection object.

What I have works, and works great.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


No No No!

Never place objects in session scope (assume you're using ASP).  Causes
thread affinity and you lose connection pooling.

http://www.devx.com/asp/Article/16802/0/page/2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;243543

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 1:54 PM
To: ''Access Developers discussion and problem solving' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 10:31:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:31:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273BD@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, that is a key difference.  I wouldn't do that with just a connection
object.

I wouldn't say my app is high traffic, but it is multi user (right now there
are about 20 users....the frequency of their usage is variable...but I think
it could handle about 50 simulatneous if need be....maybe more...)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Ooops, noticed you were using a custom DLL - pretty certain if the same
implications apply, however not completely sure.  

Drawbacks are more apparent in a multi-user environment rather than a low
traffic one..

Cheers,
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 2:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


No No No!

Never place objects in session scope (assume you're using ASP).  Causes
thread affinity and you lose connection pooling.

http://www.devx.com/asp/Article/16802/0/page/2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;243543

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 1:54 PM
To: ''Access Developers discussion and problem solving' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 10:32:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:32:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273BE@main2.marlow.com>

If you still need this, let me know.  I can set something up on my site.  No
problem.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:02 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a
client to download from? 

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to
under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


TIA
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 23 10:33:51 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:33:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEOKCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
        <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEOKCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <22016.12.3.132.98.1066923231.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group,

My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I got
some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now  ican't
see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error mssage
"isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of table
object to determine valid index names"
Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?


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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Thu Oct 23 10:39:00 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:39:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
In-Reply-To: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHIENMEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I have worked with an engineering firm to make my app and their GIS work
together.  They have since purchased the app from me, but I would be willing
to help if possible.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:08 AM
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> Subject: [AccessD] GIS
>
>
> Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 23 10:50:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:50:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7819@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7819@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <10832771052.20031023175016@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

I may be wrong but to me

  \\fs1\sys\database\client1\somedb.mdb

is a valid full path and filename. Access thinks so too as you can
open or link to a database using such a path/filename.

And if you wish to, say, export a file to the current dir of drive c:

  c:report.xls

is valid as a relative path/filename although I would recommend an
absolute path/filename.

/gustav


> Hello Gustav,

> "You didn't run any test on it, did you?" - that's a pretty big assumption
> isn't it? I did run test and got the same results as you did, with those two
> exceptions, which I managed to overlook. <g>

> <pedant mode>
> Strictly speaking, the drive letter and the server name are not part of the
> file path in any case. The path is the route of folders that must be
> traversed to reach the file on the storage device,
> </pedant mode>
> but if you want to emulate the results of your routine, here's a simple
> modification of mine...

> Function GetPath(aPath) As String
> ' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
> ' leaves the trailing slash on there
> Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
>     aSlash = 0
>     foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
>     While (foo > 0)
>         aSlash = foo
>         foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
>     Wend
>     If aSlash > 0 Then
>         If aSlash = 2 Then
>             GetPath = aPath
>         Else
>             GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
>         End If
>     Else
>         If (Left(UCase(aPath), 1) >= "A" And Left(UCase(aPath), 1) <= "Z") _
>             And Mid(aPath, 2, 1) = ":" Then
>             GetPath = Left(aPath, 2)
>         Else
>           GetPath = aPath
>         End If
>     End If
> End Function

> BTW, did you check out the InstrR() function for A97?

> Lambert
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:25 AM
>> To:   Heenan, Lambert
>> Subject:      [AccessD] Get path from full file name
>> 
>> Hi Lambert
>> 
>> You didn't run any test on it, did you?
>> 
>> It is similar to the quickies found many places and it fails for paths
>> like "\\fs1" and "c:file".
>> 
>> /gustav


From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct 23 11:00:53 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:00:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <22016.12.3.132.98.1066923231.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3997e$d6df6700$7001a8c0@COA3>

Make a copy of it, and try Compact and Repair.  If that doesn't work try
Jetcomp.exe (see: Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 273956
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
com:80/support/kb/articles/Q273/9/56.ASP&NoWebContent=1 )

Hth,
Steve



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Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?


Hey Group,

My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
table object to determine valid index names" Is all my data lost, or can
I still recover it ?


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 23 11:01:13 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:01:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reverse Engineer ActiveX DLL
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0577@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

X posted accessd dba-vb

List(s),

Does anyone know of a service or tool that can reverse engineer an ActiveX DLL?  We had a nasty crash on a dev box here and a couple of important (and not backed up) class modules are lost.  I've been searching the web but haven't found anything substantial except that I can use a hex editor (which would leave us with a lot of work pulling out the code).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan



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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 23 11:04:07 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:04:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0138@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Try doing a Repair, if that doesn't work use the /decompile switch.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?


Hey Group,

My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I got
some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now  ican't
see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error mssage
"isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of table
object to determine valid index names"
Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?


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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 23 11:24:48 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:24:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0138@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0138@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <40590.12.3.132.98.1066926288.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Doesn't let me do repair, i get an error to go to indexes in tabledef
(where is that ?)
whats decomplie switch ? i tried to compile, and its freezing again

> Try doing a Repair, if that doesn't work use the /decompile switch.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
> got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
> ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
> mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
> table object to determine valid index names"
> Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?
>
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 23 11:51:29 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:51:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <000201c3997e$d6df6700$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <22016.12.3.132.98.1066923231.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <000201c3997e$d6df6700$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <48941.12.3.132.98.1066927889.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

thanks,  igot it back..
ooffff.....


> Make a copy of it, and try Compact and Repair.  If that doesn't work try
> Jetcomp.exe (see: Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 273956
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
> com:80/support/kb/articles/Q273/9/56.ASP&NoWebContent=1 )
>
> Hth,
> Steve
>
>
>
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> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
> got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
> ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
> mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
> table object to determine valid index names" Is all my data lost, or can
> I still recover it ?
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 23 11:52:25 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:52:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <40590.12.3.132.98.1066926288.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKAEPOHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Make sure your try JETCOMP.EXE first, which is a standalone repair utility.
You can download it from Microsoft.  It's different then the built-in repair
in that it doesn't attempt to open the MDB as a database, but rather works
with it as a file.  This allows it to fix some types of errors that the
built-in utility cannot.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Data lost ?


Doesn't let me do repair, i get an error to go to indexes in tabledef
(where is that ?)
whats decomplie switch ? i tried to compile, and its freezing again

> Try doing a Repair, if that doesn't work use the /decompile switch.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
> got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
> ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
> mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
> table object to determine valid index names"
> Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?
>
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 23 11:52:32 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:52:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E013B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I create a separate Access icon to use. In the Target of the Properties of
the icon place:

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"
C:\Database\NameDatabase.mdb/decompile

Or
1. Create a new Db
2. Import all your objects into the new DB.
3. Close the DB
4. Open the DB using the /decompile switch
5. Close the DB, Close Access (I know Access tells you to compile all
modules, but don't do that right now).
6. Re-open Access normally and open your DB
7. Open any module and click on Debug/Compile and Save All Modules.
8. Compact the DB.
If this doesn't work check your references.

Do you have a backup?

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From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Data lost ?


Doesn't let me do repair, i get an error to go to indexes in tabledef
(where is that ?)
whats decomplie switch ? i tried to compile, and its freezing again

> Try doing a Repair, if that doesn't work use the /decompile switch.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
> got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
> ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
> mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
> table object to determine valid index names"
> Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 23 11:01:13 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:01:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] Reverse Engineer ActiveX DLL
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0577@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

X posted accessd dba-vb

List(s),

Does anyone know of a service or tool that can reverse engineer an ActiveX DLL?  We had a nasty crash on a dev box here and a couple of important (and not backed up) class modules are lost.  I've been searching the web but haven't found anything substantial except that I can use a hex editor (which would leave us with a lot of work pulling out the code).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 23 12:12:17 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:12:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7820@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Sigh... ;-(

<pedant mode>

\\fs1\sys\database\client1\somedb.mdb is a complete file "specification"
which is composed of the storage device (in this case a file server called
\\fs1), the *path* to the file and the file name.

</pedant mode>

That's what I meant by "Strictly speaking". I didn't write the definitions,
so please don't shoot the messenger. :-)

Of course I'm aware that using a fully qualified UNC file spec is accepted
by Access, I do it all the time myself. I just hate having to deal with
differently mapped drive letters of different user's systems.

I too would recommend an absolute file specification be used for most
purposes. With today's multi-tasking operating systems and multi threaded
applications the "current" folder can never be guaranteed to stay put.

InstrR() ???

Lambert


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:50 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
> 
> Hi Lambert
> 
> I may be wrong but to me
> 
>   \\fs1\sys\database\client1\somedb.mdb
> 
> is a valid full path and filename. Access thinks so too as you can
> open or link to a database using such a path/filename.
> 
> And if you wish to, say, export a file to the current dir of drive c:
> 
>   c:report.xls
> 
> is valid as a relative path/filename although I would recommend an
> absolute path/filename.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Hello Gustav,
> 
> > "You didn't run any test on it, did you?" - that's a pretty big
> assumption
> > isn't it? I did run test and got the same results as you did, with those
> two
> > exceptions, which I managed to overlook. <g>
> 
> > <pedant mode>
> > Strictly speaking, the drive letter and the server name are not part of
> the
> > file path in any case. The path is the route of folders that must be
> > traversed to reach the file on the storage device,
> > </pedant mode>
> > but if you want to emulate the results of your routine, here's a simple
> > modification of mine...
> 
> > Function GetPath(aPath) As String
> > ' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
> > ' leaves the trailing slash on there
> > Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
> >     aSlash = 0
> >     foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
> >     While (foo > 0)
> >         aSlash = foo
> >         foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
> >     Wend
> >     If aSlash > 0 Then
> >         If aSlash = 2 Then
> >             GetPath = aPath
> >         Else
> >             GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
> >         End If
> >     Else
> >         If (Left(UCase(aPath), 1) >= "A" And Left(UCase(aPath), 1) <=
> "Z") _
> >             And Mid(aPath, 2, 1) = ":" Then
> >             GetPath = Left(aPath, 2)
> >         Else
> >           GetPath = aPath
> >         End If
> >     End If
> > End Function
> 
> > BTW, did you check out the InstrR() function for A97?
> 
> > Lambert
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:25 AM
> >> To:   Heenan, Lambert
> >> Subject:      [AccessD] Get path from full file name
> >> 
> >> Hi Lambert
> >> 
> >> You didn't run any test on it, did you?
> >> 
> >> It is similar to the quickies found many places and it fails for paths
> >> like "\\fs1" and "c:file".
> >> 
> >> /gustav
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Oct 23 12:27:42 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:27:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7808@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer

 

Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop

 

Any ideas how this can be done?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 12:36:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:36:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENGFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you and
another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2 applied
(2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the error.  The error
occurs as the data is being saved into the table, after AfterUpdate.  Oddly
enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a done
deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to break a
functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that worked to see
if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Oct 23 12:44:47 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:44:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE09E@TAPPEEXCH01>

That would be:

Set fld = rst.Fields("Field" & i)


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Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable


I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer

 

Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop

 

Any ideas how this can be done?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 23 12:47:27 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:47:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F78F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

Please keep us posted as we're comtemplating the move to A2K2 in the near future (already at Win2K).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you and
another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2 applied
(2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the error.  The error
occurs as the data is being saved into the table, after AfterUpdate.  Oddly
enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a done
deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to break a
functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that worked to see
if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 12:50:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:50:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENGFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu Oct 23 12:49:49 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:49:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
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Hopefully this might help you get started.  Sorry if I am not understanding
your question correctly.

Sub elementsexist()
Dim db As Database
Dim tdf As TableDef
Dim fld As Field
Dim rst As Recordset
Dim myfield As String
Dim mytype As String

Set fld = Nothing
Set tdf = Nothing
Set rst = Nothing
Set db = Nothing



Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
db.TableDefs.Refresh
Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("tempverify")
Set tdf = db.TableDefs!tempimport

db.TableDefs.Refresh
tdf.Fields.Refresh

For Each fld In tdf.Fields
    myfield = fld.Name
    If fld.Type = 16 Then
        mytype = "dbBigInt"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 9 Then
        mytype = "dbBinary"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 1 Then
        mytype = "dbBoolean"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 2 Then
        mytype = "dbByte"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 18 Then
        mytype = "dbChar"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 5 Then
        mytype = "dbCurrency"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 8 Then
        mytype = "dbDate"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 20 Then
        mytype = "dbDecimal"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 7 Then
        mytype = "dbDouble"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 21 Then
        mytype = "dbFloat"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 15 Then
        mytype = "dbGUID"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 3 Then
        mytype = "dbInteger"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 4 Then
        mytype = "dbLong"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 11 Then
        mytype = "dbLongBinary"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 12 Then
        mytype = "dbMemo"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 19 Then
        mytype = "dbNumeric"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 6 Then
        mytype = "dbSingle"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 10 Then
        mytype = "dbText"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 22 Then
        mytype = "dbTime"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 23 Then
        mytype = "dbTimeStamp"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 17 Then
        mytype = "dbVarBinary"
    Else
        mytype = "Unknown"
    End If
    rst.MoveFirst
    Do Until rst.EOF
        If rst.Fields("Element") = myfield Then
            rst.Edit
            rst.Fields("Exists") = "Yes"
            rst.Fields("ActualType") = mytype
            rst.Update
            Exit Do
        End If
        rst.MoveNext
    Loop
Next fld

Set fld = Nothing
Set tdf = Nothing
Set rst = Nothing
Set db = Nothing
End Sub
Sub setokstatus()
Dim db As Database
Dim rst As Recordset
Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("tempverify")
rst.MoveFirst
Do Until rst.EOF
    If rst.Fields("Exists") = "Yes" Then
        If rst.Fields("CorrectType") = rst.Fields("ActualType") Then
            rst.Edit
            rst.Fields("Ok") = "Yes"
            rst.Update
        Else
            rst.Edit
            rst.Fields("Ok") = "No - Type"
            rst.Update
        End If
    Else
        rst.Edit
        rst.Fields("Ok") = "No - Exists"
        rst.Update
    End If
    rst.MoveNext
Loop
Set rst = Nothing
Set db = Nothing
End Sub


                                                                                                                                 
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I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer



Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop



Any ideas how this can be done?



Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 12:50:57 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:50:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273C3@main2.marlow.com>

What you want is the Name property.

Dim i as Long
Dim strName as string
Dim rs as Recordset
'Recordset code....
Do until rs.EOF=True
	for i=1 to rs.Fields.Count
		strName=rs.Fields(i).Name
		'Process code..
	Next i
	rs.MoveNext
Loop
rs.close
Set rs=nothing

Drew

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From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable


I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer

 

Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop

 

Any ideas how this can be done?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Oct 23 13:33:32 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:33:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1897AE@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks to all who responded to my post.
I think Brett's suggestion best fits my needs, but I learned something
new from each response.

Thanks again,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable

That would be:

Set fld = rst.Fields("Field" & i)


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From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable


I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer

 

Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop

 

Any ideas how this can be done?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 14:15:16 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:15:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273C8@main2.marlow.com>

Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 23 15:02:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:02:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D2@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I have SP2 installed and don't get that message on either Win2k or
WinXP.  What Jet service pack is applied?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:36 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you
and another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2
applied (2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the
error.  The error occurs as the data is being saved into the table,
after AfterUpdate.  Oddly enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a
done deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to
break a functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that
worked to see if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 15:46:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:46:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D2@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Charlotte,

I guess I should have been more clear, it isn't everywhere.  This is a large
database with many tables.  All but one form function fine.  In a very brief
google of the symptoms I came up with "corrupted memo field" as the most
probable cause with the jetcomp program fixing it.  Unfortunately jetcomp
wouldn't run so it didn't fix it.  Unfortunately if you have this problem
somewhere in your db, it causes nasty symptoms.  The fields one by one go to
#error with a jet error reported each time.  No way out but click the OK
button each time.  Even when all done, if you hang around in the form, the
error will pop up again and again, every 10-15 seconds.

I have no doubt that the problem behind the problem is a corrupt memo field,
but the fact is that 3 of 5 computers don't display the problem, in fact 4
of 6.  I just checked my server here at my office and it has sp1 as well,
the db runs fine here.  Those that do display the problem have SP2, the rest
SP1.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I have SP2 installed and don't get that message on either Win2k or
WinXP.  What Jet service pack is applied?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:36 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you
and another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2
applied (2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the
error.  The error occurs as the data is being saved into the table,
after AfterUpdate.  Oddly enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a
done deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to
break a functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that
worked to see if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 15:48:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:48:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273C8@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a form that the user wanted hundreds of fields from half dozen tables
displayed on tabs.  I just used SELECT * during design because I didn't know
what they would want and what they wouldn't.  Now it is done and it's time
to clean up, not pull more than I absolutely need etc.

One tabbed form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Thu Oct 23 16:02:19 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:02:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <006701c3994f$d5ac2280$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJOEAIFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Since I have received numerous requests for the U.S. Zip Code database, I
would also like to mention that I have a Canadian Postal Code database
available too. Again, please email me off-line if you are interested. The
Canadian version does not have a form with CBF to populate the municipality
and province, but you can easily convert the code in the U.S. version to
handle that function.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

> Arthur
>
> To further help answer your question about "do any start with zero, etc",
> I
> have a small DB with accompanying CBF that contains all U.S. zip codes and
> the code to populate city and state fields based upon the zip code input.
> Yours (and anyone else's) for the asking ... off-list, of course!
>



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 16:13:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:13:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273CC@main2.marlow.com>

That's easy.

Dim ctrl
dim strTemp
strTemp="SELECT "
For each ctrl in Me.Controls
	if isnull(ctrl.ControlSource)=False and ctrl.ControlSource<>"" then
		strTemp=strTemp & ctrl.ControlSource & ", "
	end if
Next
strTemp=Left(strTemp,Len(strTemp)-2)

Now, if you have unbound controls, that code might act up a bit, so you
would need to nest the If then statement in another one that checks the
types of controls (either ignore the controls that can't be bound, or
specify those that can).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I have a form that the user wanted hundreds of fields from half dozen tables
displayed on tabs.  I just used SELECT * during design because I didn't know
what they would want and what they wouldn't.  Now it is done and it's time
to clean up, not pull more than I absolutely need etc.

One tabbed form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Thu Oct 23 16:15:36 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:15:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825F9@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

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From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Thu Oct 23 16:19:45 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:19:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C93@EXCHMAIL>

Try a making a new table with a make table query. Is it successful? IF not, you most likely have a corrupt memo field. I see the same problems as you do, but haven't been able to find it as we are switching this mdb over to a SQL 2K/ADP so I haven't spent the time to figure why jet is corrupting (not to mention we have around 80 users in at a time :( ) Another way that corruption shows its ugly head (but not all the time) is to compact the mdb, sometimes you will get the message like you stated in an earlier post "you and another user..." which leaves you with a compacted db1.mdb and you non compacted mdb.  

I have an A97 MDB that uses bound forms :( and has close to a million records in one of the tables. This table has a memo field which seems to corrupt every now and then. I have to make a new table and export all records before and after the corrupt record. I then make an append query and query all of the data from the corrupt record (except for the memo field) and append to the new table. I then recreate the memo field from my audit trail table (or back up mdb if the record was old enough). It sucks but it does work.

I know you are looking for a reason why you are seeing different results, but you most likely have corruption and should take care of that.

David

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


Charlotte,

I guess I should have been more clear, it isn't everywhere.  This is a large
database with many tables.  All but one form function fine.  In a very brief
google of the symptoms I came up with "corrupted memo field" as the most
probable cause with the jetcomp program fixing it.  Unfortunately jetcomp
wouldn't run so it didn't fix it.  Unfortunately if you have this problem
somewhere in your db, it causes nasty symptoms.  The fields one by one go to
#error with a jet error reported each time.  No way out but click the OK
button each time.  Even when all done, if you hang around in the form, the
error will pop up again and again, every 10-15 seconds.

I have no doubt that the problem behind the problem is a corrupt memo field,
but the fact is that 3 of 5 computers don't display the problem, in fact 4
of 6.  I just checked my server here at my office and it has sp1 as well,
the db runs fine here.  Those that do display the problem have SP2, the rest
SP1.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I have SP2 installed and don't get that message on either Win2k or
WinXP.  What Jet service pack is applied?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:36 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you
and another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2
applied (2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the
error.  The error occurs as the data is being saved into the table,
after AfterUpdate.  Oddly enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a
done deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to
break a functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that
worked to see if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby

From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Oct 23 16:26:00 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:26:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
References: 	<125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB77C@energys1.energy.local><3F74775D.7010601@shaw.ca>
	<006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <002201c399ac$42aec340$fdc581d5@pedro>

Hello Martin,

i work a lott with ArcView3.3 and with access.
What do you want to know precisely?


Pedro Janssen


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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: [AccessD] GIS


> Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
>
>
> Martin
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From ggonzalez at cccis.com  Thu Oct 23 16:42:03 2003
From: ggonzalez at cccis.com (ggonzalez at cccis.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:42:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <OFC8ED214E.94574DC4-ON86256DC8.0076FCA6@win.cccis.com>






Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps


                                                                                                                                               
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Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 23 17:27:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:27:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?

Charlotte Foust

From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Oct 23 18:04:08 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:04:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F985E68.9040501@verizon.net>

Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may 
be having the same problem, or offer a solution

:)

Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________


-- 
-Francisco



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 23 18:01:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:01:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009e01c399b9$a4f53a40$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...getting no virus laden e's here or the hotmail address since the last
outbreak ...knock on wood :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 23 18:19:27 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:19:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Our AV catches them and my outlook was quarantining the attachments all
along, but it's a nuisance to have to go through and delete all these
every day!  Plus our mail server also sends me a message for each of
them to let me know it trapped a virus, so that's twice the number of
emails I have to delete.  I can't even figure out a rule that would
apply, since there's no consistency on the subject.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may 
be having the same problem, or offer a solution

:)

Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing 
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update" 
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I

> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one 
> in the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust _______________________________________________


-- 
-Francisco


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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Oct 23 18:21:07 2003
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (gus withington)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:21:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <014001c399bc$5790e1c0$1a75fea9@LAPTOP>

you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count! and it
seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list

augusta

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 23 18:31:51 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:31:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273BE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001901c399bd$d89b2220$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks Drew - I'm OK again now but appreciate it. 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:32 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  If you still need this, let me know.  I can set something up on my site.  No
  problem.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:02 AM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a
  client to download from? 

  It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to
  under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

  (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


  TIA
  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 18:33:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273D4@main2.marlow.com>

I have it in my spam filters...so it's slowed down quite a bit.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?

Charlotte Foust
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 23 18:50:53 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:50:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Recent List Changes
References: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
	<010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <005b01c399c0$7f4f7470$6401a8c0@user>

Well done Bryan.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lembit Soobik 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com ; Board Of Directors of DBA ; DBA Executive Team ; ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com ; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com ; dba-owners at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:11 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Recent List Changes


  Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to
  provide for text only messages.  This change, implemented on over 25 lists was
  well
  prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change
  were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website.  We
  experienced no surprises and no problems resulted.  With the exception of the
  announcement,  the change went unnoticed.

  This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes
  implemented.  This great success was only possible with the careful preparation
  and
  documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell.

  Thank you very much for this great work.

  Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA
  Donna Cook, VP DBA




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 19:53:15 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:53:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <009e01c399b9$a4f53a40$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOGFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't seem to be getting any.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


...getting no virus laden e's here or the hotmail address since the last
outbreak ...knock on wood :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 19:59:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:59:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
In-Reply-To: <OFC8ED214E.94574DC4-ON86256DC8.0076FCA6@win.cccis.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOHFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



                      Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
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accessd at databaseadvisors.com
                      accessd-bounces at databasea        cc:
                      dvisors.com                      Subject:  RE:
[AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More


                      10/23/2003 04:15 PM
                      Please respond to Access
                      Developers discussion and
                      problem solving






Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 20:02:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:02:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C93@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEOHFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I most likely do have corruption.  Unfortunately the database has 10 years
worth of history and is 450 mbytes.  I have no doubt there may be hundreds
or even thousands of corrupt records.  I don't even want to get in to trying
to fix them using the method you outlined.  They can do their job on three
of the computers - that's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


Try a making a new table with a make table query. Is it successful? IF not,
you most likely have a corrupt memo field. I see the same problems as you
do, but haven't been able to find it as we are switching this mdb over to a
SQL 2K/ADP so I haven't spent the time to figure why jet is corrupting (not
to mention we have around 80 users in at a time :( ) Another way that
corruption shows its ugly head (but not all the time) is to compact the mdb,
sometimes you will get the message like you stated in an earlier post "you
and another user..." which leaves you with a compacted db1.mdb and you non
compacted mdb.

I have an A97 MDB that uses bound forms :( and has close to a million
records in one of the tables. This table has a memo field which seems to
corrupt every now and then. I have to make a new table and export all
records before and after the corrupt record. I then make an append query and
query all of the data from the corrupt record (except for the memo field)
and append to the new table. I then recreate the memo field from my audit
trail table (or back up mdb if the record was old enough). It sucks but it
does work.

I know you are looking for a reason why you are seeing different results,
but you most likely have corruption and should take care of that.

David





From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 20:03:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:03:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825F9@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOIFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

You must do the export / insert method mentioned in the other emails.  Use
INSERT, not import!  Insert CLASS, then immediately INSERT file.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More


Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 20:05:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:05:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273CC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEOIFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yep too easy.  I was hoping for someone who actually used it.  I need
it sorted so I can find things in the listing.  I can whip out what you
wrote in about 5 minutes.  Sorting is another matter.  I actually have a
sort I wrote one time that sorts stuff going into a collection.  Guess I
need to dig it out.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


That's easy.

Dim ctrl
dim strTemp
strTemp="SELECT "
For each ctrl in Me.Controls
	if isnull(ctrl.ControlSource)=False and ctrl.ControlSource<>"" then
		strTemp=strTemp & ctrl.ControlSource & ", "
	end if
Next
strTemp=Left(strTemp,Len(strTemp)-2)

Now, if you have unbound controls, that code might act up a bit, so you
would need to nest the If then statement in another one that checks the
types of controls (either ignore the controls that can't be bound, or
specify those that can).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I have a form that the user wanted hundreds of fields from half dozen tables
displayed on tabs.  I just used SELECT * during design because I didn't know
what they would want and what they wouldn't.  Now it is done and it's time
to clean up, not pull more than I absolutely need etc.

One tabbed form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 20:23:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:23:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEOJFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 23 20:35:29 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:35:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEELEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Pretty clean here.

<knockin' on wood...>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:28 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
> 
> 
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 23 20:51:08 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:51:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEOJFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEMEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Revenge, eh?
If life were only so simple (and I wish it were in this case). I'm anxioulsy
waiting to hear any negative about this approach.

A few questions come to mind:
Would this mess up the web page's hit count? Would each interation count as
a new hit?
Would this count against the traffic limits of web hosting accounts that are
charged that way?

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
>
>
> http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 23 21:00:23 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:00:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <014001c399bc$5790e1c0$1a75fea9@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:

> you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list

It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.

I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
going on.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 21:01:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:01:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEMEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEOLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

It appears from what I read on the page that the counts wouldn't be affected
since it makes up bogus pages on-the-fly.  As for traffic limits, I guess it
would apply, I mean it is kbytes shoveled out.  Pure html though probably
isn't that big.

Seemed like a novel way to get back at the bastids.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B.
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Any comments on this?


Revenge, eh?
If life were only so simple (and I wish it were in this case). I'm anxioulsy
waiting to hear any negative about this approach.

A few questions come to mind:
Would this mess up the web page's hit count? Would each interation count as
a new hit?
Would this count against the traffic limits of web hosting accounts that are
charged that way?

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
>
>
> http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu Oct 23 21:02:08 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:02:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
	<3F985E68.9040501@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV28BLxKWqy4b0000f48a@hotmail.com>

Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone away
in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.

Todd.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


> Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>
> :)
>
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> > emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> > type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> > only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> > the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 23 21:04:26 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:04:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recent List Changes
In-Reply-To: <010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <3F98506A.5616.1434B07@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 16:11, Lembit Soobik wrote:

> careful preparation and documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan
> Carbonell.
> 
> Thank you very much for this great work.

Then On 23 Oct 2003 at 9:20, Gary Kjos wrote:

> Yes, Great Job Bryan! Thanks a lot for all your time and effort!

Then On 24 Oct 2003 at 9:50, Kath Pelletti wrote:

> Well done Bryan.


Thanks, and you're welcome :-)

I'm glad that I can help.

But, Lembit, there are two N's in my last name :-))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I don't have an attitude problem, 
    YOU have a PERCEPTION problem.



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 23 21:12:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:12:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEMEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00f001c399d4$50b1ec60$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...yes (most counters) and yes (could be significant) ...but the real
problem imo is that the search bots for the legitimate search engines are
NOT lobotomized and would quickly shut down ALL of their references to the
site most likely including pages that you do want listed ...search engines
like Google have a very low tolerance for being screwed with and a ready
cure :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Any comments on this?


> Revenge, eh?
> If life were only so simple (and I wish it were in this case). I'm
anxioulsy
> waiting to hear any negative about this approach.
>
> A few questions come to mind:
> Would this mess up the web page's hit count? Would each interation count
as
> a new hit?
> Would this count against the traffic limits of web hosting accounts that
are
> charged that way?
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
> >
> >
> > http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 23 16:44:55 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:44:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7827@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

It's all explained on the Access Web at...

http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0034.htm

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca [SMTP:Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:16 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
> 
> Further to note below-
> 
> I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
> When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
> When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.
> 
> Any help /advice would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> jack
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97
> 
> 
> Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
> mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
> using Acc97.
> 
> jack
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Oct 23 21:24:25 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:24:25 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Open Source
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031024151852.02080b60@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I have had someone suggest to me that Open Source products would be 
suitable for a web enabled application.  This is a new area to me.  One 
advantage they say is that there would be no licensing issues for multiple 
users.

Their web site with the details is http://www.mediasculpt.com/technology.php

Can anyone comment on this - pros/cons?

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 21:26:26 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:26:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEOLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEMEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3F991A72.32129.10C06C1@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 22:01, John Colby wrote:

> It appears from what I read on the page that the counts wouldn't be affected
> since it makes up bogus pages on-the-fly.  

Au contraire, every time the bot follows a bogus link it makes 
another hit on the server which will up your count for that site. 
It depends a lot on how are logging hits. If you are using a tool 
like webalyzer, you can exclude hits to the WPoison link from your 
tallies.

>As for traffic limits, I guess it
> would apply, I mean it is kbytes shoveled out.  Pure html though probably
> isn't that big.
> 

To quote from the site:

"The effect of these calculated pauses is that they insure that any 
address harvesting web crawlers that may be diligently attempting to 
suck as many Wpoison-generated web pages out of your site as fast as 
possible will in fact only be able to suck pages out at a reasonable 
and moderate pace which will not have any sustained dramatic effect 
upon your CPU usage or network bandwidth, and yet still fast enough 
so that if one of these spammer address harvesting web crawlers is 
left to try to digest your entire web site, say, overnight, then 
within a few hours (and certainly by morning) its data base of e-mail 
addresses will have been well and throughly polluted by millions of 
utterly bogus e-mail addresses, just as we would like. "

If you are generating "millions of utterly bogus email addresses" 
plus the false links in each on-the-fly page, you will be serving up 
multi-megabytes of data so you could easily run into problems if you 
have a low traffic limit. 

However, as they point out:
"If your web site is one that does not allow you to install or use 
dynamic CGI scripts, then you don't have the option of being able to 
install or use your own local copy of Wpoison. In such cases, you may 
still be able to benefit from the presence of other installed copies 
of Wpoison that are available elsewhere on the web (in particular, 
our installed copies) merely by linking to them. "

That way, you pass the bot off to another site which presumably can 
handle the data flow.

> Seemed like a novel way to get back at the bastids.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B.
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
> 
> 
> Revenge, eh?
> If life were only so simple (and I wish it were in this case). I'm anxioulsy
> waiting to hear any negative about this approach.
> 
> A few questions come to mind:
> Would this mess up the web page's hit count? Would each interation count as
> a new hit?
> Would this count against the traffic limits of web hosting accounts that are
> charged that way?
> 
> John B.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
> >
> >
> > http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 00:22:25 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:22:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <3F985E68.9040501@verizon.net> <BAY4-DAV28BLxKWqy4b0000f48a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F98B711.7010909@shaw.ca>

I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of 
10 since mid august
My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K. 
That is at least 1 ping
from somewhere every 15 secs.
You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs


Todd Buttrey wrote:

>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone away
>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
>
>Todd.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>  
>
>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>-Francisco
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>    
>>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 00:30:42 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:30:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] A2k: "I","U" in a string?
Message-ID: <20031024053042.68734.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I'm building a lot of dynamicly created queries.

I need to create about 15 queries with in IN()
statement eg:
SELECT ID
FROM tblConnections
WHERE ID = '7'
AND Type IN ("I","U")

Question:
I have 11 diff combinations of IN() types.
("I","U")
("T","Y")
("A","S")
("D","S")
ETC.
ETC.

What is the best way to define these?

Is it possible to store it in a string?
something like:
strIN = ""I","U""

TIA

sd

__________________________________
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 00:36:28 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:36:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Open Source
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031024151852.02080b60@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3F98BA5C.7020302@shaw.ca>

If you plan to do an International Polyglot site,say Chinese with DBCS; 
PHP has problems with Unicode, since it is 8 bit character ISO 8859-1 
based at it's bottom end functions. This may have changed since I last 
looked at a version of PHP.

The MySQL database server is available for free under the GNU General 
Public License (GPL). Commercial licenses are available for users who 
prefer not to be restricted by the terms of the GPL.

David Emerson wrote:

> I have had someone suggest to me that Open Source products would be 
> suitable for a web enabled application.  This is a new area to me.  
> One advantage they say is that there would be no licensing issues for 
> multiple users.
>
> Their web site with the details is 
> http://www.mediasculpt.com/technology.php
>
> Can anyone comment on this - pros/cons?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> DALYN Software Ltd
> 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From djkr at msn.com  Fri Oct 24 02:52:16 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:52:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001701c39a03$be0b8030$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Not a peep here.
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 23 October 2003 23:28
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
> 
> 
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with 
> virus-bearing emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both 
> the "Security Update" type and the SWEN-bearing "your email 
> could not be delivered" type.  I only get them at work (my 
> address for this list) and I'm the only one in the office 
> that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 04:20:41 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE64@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Good morning all!

Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?

I have two tables, tblOutstandingECRs, and tblScript.

tblOutstandingECRs has a single text field which contains a list of document
numbers (like 401-015763 and 401-019737). I need to step through these
records, one at a time, and copy them, with changes, to tblScript. The first
record of tblScript needs to have a fixed bit of text ("set db pdm") and the
last is also fixed ("list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn").


If tblOutstandingECRs contained the three records:

401-015763
401-019737
401-023359

I need tblScript to have:

set db pdm
set record ecr\401-015763\1 /var=%oldset1
set record ecr\401-019737\1 /var=%oldset1
set record ecr\401-023359\1 /var=%oldset1
list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn


The problem that I'm getting is that it writes the first record ("set db
pdm"), second record ("set record ecr\401-015763\1 /var=%oldset1"), and
third record ("set record ecr\401-019737\1 /var=%oldset1") fine, then goes
into and endless loop of writing the third record again.

Any ideas please what I'm doing wrong here?

TIA!
Chris Foote


----------(Code)------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub Command0_Click()

Dim db As Database
Dim rec As Recordset
Dim strECR As String

Set db = CurrentDb()

'-------------------------------
'Write first line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "set db pdm"

rec.Update

rec.Close

'-------------------------------
'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
'-------------------------------

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

rec.MoveFirst

' Do until end of file
Do Until rec.EOF

strECR = rec("ECR_No")

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "set record ecr\" & strECR & "\1 /var=%oldset1"

rec.Update

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

rec.MoveNext

Loop

'-------------------------------
'Write last line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"

rec.Update

rec.Close

End Sub
-------------(End Code)----------

From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 04:54:25 2003
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (gus withington)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:54:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
Message-ID: <01da01c39a15$653775b0$1a75fea9@LAPTOP>

wow you are quite lucky!  I am glad to hear that it is not this list . . .


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
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>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Oct 24 05:09:16 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:09:16 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
In-Reply-To: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE64@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006201c39a16$e1f08460$2955a8c0@BITSNB02>

Your problem is that you are using one recordset to access 2 tables.  Within
your do loop you are using this
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
But the loop is controlled by rec and you are reinitialising it on each pass.
So it will never end.

If you want to go the code method, use 2 recordsets.  Say rectblScript and
rectblOutstandingECRs.

Then iterate through rectblOutstandingECRs and for each record add a new record
to rectblScript.

If you need help modifying the code drop me a note.

Another potentially simpler method to to write a query that does all of one you
want in one hit.  (ie append query)

Regards,

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Foote, Chris
> Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
>
>
> Good morning all!
>
> Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?
>
> I have two tables, tblOutstandingECRs, and tblScript.
>
> tblOutstandingECRs has a single text field which contains a
> list of document
> numbers (like 401-015763 and 401-019737). I need to step through these
> records, one at a time, and copy them, with changes, to
> tblScript. The first
> record of tblScript needs to have a fixed bit of text ("set
> db pdm") and the
> last is also fixed ("list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn").
>
>
> If tblOutstandingECRs contained the three records:
>
> 401-015763
> 401-019737
> 401-023359
>
> I need tblScript to have:
>
> set db pdm
> set record ecr\401-015763\1 /var=%oldset1
> set record ecr\401-019737\1 /var=%oldset1
> set record ecr\401-023359\1 /var=%oldset1
> list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn
>
>
> The problem that I'm getting is that it writes the first
> record ("set db
> pdm"), second record ("set record ecr\401-015763\1
> /var=%oldset1"), and
> third record ("set record ecr\401-019737\1 /var=%oldset1")
> fine, then goes
> into and endless loop of writing the third record again.
>
> Any ideas please what I'm doing wrong here?
>
> TIA!
> Chris Foote
>
>
> ----------(Code)------------
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
>
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rec As Recordset
> Dim strECR As String
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
>
> '-------------------------------
> 'Write first line to output table
> '--------------------------------
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
>
> rec.AddNew
>
> rec("fldScript") = "set db pdm"
>
> rec.Update
>
> rec.Close
>
> '-------------------------------
> 'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
> '-------------------------------
>
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")
>
> rec.MoveFirst
>
> ' Do until end of file
> Do Until rec.EOF
>
> strECR = rec("ECR_No")
>
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
>
> rec.AddNew
>
> rec("fldScript") = "set record ecr\" & strECR & "\1 /var=%oldset1"
>
> rec.Update
>
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")
>
> rec.MoveNext
>
> Loop
>
> '-------------------------------
> 'Write last line to output table
> '--------------------------------
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
>
> rec.AddNew
>
> rec("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"
>
> rec.Update
>
> rec.Close
>
> End Sub
> -------------(End Code)----------
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 05:22:41 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:22:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE65@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Cheers Stuart!

I'll have a look at this. I don't think I can use a query for this as, apart
from adding a predefined first and last record, I also need to add five
predefined records between each "dynamic" record as I loop through. I did
snip this out of my code when I originally posted.

Thanks again!
Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> 
> 
> Your problem is that you are using one recordset to access 2 
> tables.  Within
> your do loop you are using this
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
> But the loop is controlled by rec and you are reinitialising 
> it on each pass.
> So it will never end.
> 
> If you want to go the code method, use 2 recordsets.  Say 
> rectblScript and
> rectblOutstandingECRs.
> 
> Then iterate through rectblOutstandingECRs and for each 
> record add a new record
> to rectblScript.
> 
> If you need help modifying the code drop me a note.
> 
> Another potentially simpler method to to write a query that 
> does all of one you
> want in one hit.  (ie append query)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stuart
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Foote, Chris
> > Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2003 5:21 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> >
> >
> > Good morning all!
> >
> > Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?
----------~(Orginal post snipped)---------

From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 05:42:22 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:42:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working - solved
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE66@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>


Thanks Stuart, that was my problem!

Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> 
> 
> Your problem is that you are using one recordset to access 2 
> tables.  Within
> your do loop you are using this
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
> But the loop is controlled by rec and you are reinitialising 
> it on each pass.
> So it will never end.
> 
> If you want to go the code method, use 2 recordsets.  Say 
> rectblScript and
> rectblOutstandingECRs.
> 
> Then iterate through rectblOutstandingECRs and for each 
> record add a new record
> to rectblScript.
> 
> If you need help modifying the code drop me a note.
> 
> Another potentially simpler method to to write a query that 
> does all of one you
> want in one hit.  (ie append query)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stuart
> 

From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 06:09:24 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
Message-ID: <20031024110924.2470.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
On this form I've got a subform (fComments). 

The subform is bound to the table tblComments
The mainform is not bound.

How can I link the subform to display the data for the
current record at the main form?

I already tried using a query as a record source for
the subform. The query has a parameter that references
an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work?

Any ideas?

Regards,

SD



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 06:23:20 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:23:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Message-ID: <20031024112317.0AFB82A44C5@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Chris
You need to use two recordsets. Each time you reopen the "input" recordset
the pointer is repositioned so MoveNext isn't going to the right record. Try
the following:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub Command0_Click()

Dim db As Database
Dim recIn As Recordset
Dim RecOut as Recordset
Dim strECR As String

Set db = CurrentDb()

'-------------------------------
'Write first line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set recOut = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

recOut.AddNew

recOut("fldScript") = "set db pdm"

recOut.Update

'-------------------------------
'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
'-------------------------------

Set recIn = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

recIn.MoveFirst

' Do until end of file
Do Until recIn.EOF

strECR = recIn("ECR_No")

recOut.AddNew

recOut("fldScript") = "set record ecr\" & strECR & "\1 /var=%oldset1"

recOut.Update

recIn.MoveNext

Loop

'-------------------------------
'Write last line to output table
'--------------------------------
recOut.AddNew

recOut("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"

recOut.Update

recIn.Close:set recIn=Nothing
recOut.Close:set recOut=Nothing
End Sub


--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Date: 24/10/03 09:22


Good morning all!

Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?

I have two tables, tblOutstandingECRs, and tblScript.

tblOutstandingECRs has a single text field which contains a list of document
numbers (like 401-015763 and 401-019737). I need to step through these
records, one at a time, and copy them, with changes, to tblScript. The first
record of tblScript needs to have a fixed bit of text ("set db pdm") and the
last is also fixed ("list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn").


If tblOutstandingECRs contained the three records:

401-015763
401-019737
401-023359

I need tblScript to have:

set db pdm
set record ecr401-0157631 /var=%oldset1
set record ecr401-0197371 /var=%oldset1
set record ecr401-0233591 /var=%oldset1
list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn


The problem that I'm getting is that it writes the first record ("set db
pdm"), second record ("set record ecr401-0157631 /var=%oldset1"), and
third record ("set record ecr401-0197371 /var=%oldset1") fine, then goes
into and endless loop of writing the third record again.

Any ideas please what I'm doing wrong here?

TIA!
Chris Foote


----------(Code)------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub Command0_Click()

Dim db As Database
Dim rec As Recordset
Dim strECR As String

Set db = CurrentDb()

'-------------------------------
'Write first line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "set db pdm"

rec.Update

rec.Close

'-------------------------------
'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
'-------------------------------

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

rec.MoveFirst

' Do until end of file
Do Until rec.EOF

strECR = rec("ECR_No")

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "set record ecr" & strECR & "1 /var=%oldset1"

rec.Update

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

rec.MoveNext

Loop

'-------------------------------
'Write last line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"

rec.Update

rec.Close

End Sub
-------------(End Code)----------
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 06:25:23 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:25:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
Message-ID: <20031024112520.A6A952A0093@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Sander
What you said you tried sounds right, but you will have to Requery the
subform in the OnCurrent of the main form because Access will not do that
for you.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
Date: 24/10/03 11:11


Hi group,

I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
On this form I've got a subform (fComments).

The subform is bound to the table tblComments
The mainform is not bound.

How can I link the subform to display the data for the
current record at the main form?

I already tried using a query as a record source for
the subform. The query has a parameter that references
an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work?

Any ideas?

Regards,

SD



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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Oct 24 06:27:37 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:27:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
Message-ID: <10991242.1066994857745.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

quickly off the top of my head, what you could do is something like below......
in the OnCurrent event of the main (unbound) form, have something like below :
Forms![mainformname].Form![subformname].RecordSource = "SELECT FROM tableforsubform WHERE tableforsubform.uniqueid = " & me.uniqueid 
Forms![mainformname].Form![subformname].Refresh ' note this may need to be changed to Requery
Let me know if you have any problems, or even send a sample copy of your database and I will have a look.

Paul Hartland




Message date : Oct 24 2003, 12:15 PM 
>From : Sad Der 
To : Acces User Group 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform 
Hi group, 

I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI). 
On this form I've got a subform (fComments). 

The subform is bound to the table tblComments 
The mainform is not bound. 

How can I link the subform to display the data for the 
current record at the main form? 

I already tried using a query as a record source for 
the subform. The query has a parameter that references 
an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work? 

Any ideas? 

Regards, 

SD 



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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 06:33:10 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:33:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE68@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Cheers Andy!

With help from Stuart Sanders this is (more or less) what I have come with.
But I had forgotten about setting the recordsets to "Nothing" which I will
change straight away!

Thanks for your help!
Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> 
> 
> Chris
> You need to use two recordsets. Each time you reopen the 
> "input" recordset
> the pointer is repositioned so MoveNext isn't going to the 
> right record. Try
> the following:
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> 
> Dim db As Database
> Dim recIn As Recordset
> Dim RecOut as Recordset
> Dim strECR As String
> 
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
> '-------------------------------
> 'Write first line to output table
> '--------------------------------
> Set recOut = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
> 
> recOut.AddNew
> 
> recOut("fldScript") = "set db pdm"
> 
> recOut.Update
> 
> '-------------------------------
> 'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
> '-------------------------------
> 
> Set recIn = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")
> 
> recIn.MoveFirst
> 
> ' Do until end of file
> Do Until recIn.EOF
> 
> strECR = recIn("ECR_No")
> 
> recOut.AddNew
> 
> recOut("fldScript") = "set record ecr\" & strECR & "\1 /var=%oldset1"
> 
> recOut.Update
> 
> recIn.MoveNext
> 
> Loop
> 
> '-------------------------------
> 'Write last line to output table
> '--------------------------------
> recOut.AddNew
> 
> recOut("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"
> 
> recOut.Update
> 
> recIn.Close:set recIn=Nothing
> recOut.Close:set recOut=Nothing
> End Sub
> 
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> Date: 24/10/03 09:22
> 
> 
> Good morning all!
> 
> Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?
----------(Original post snipped)---------

From askolits at ot.com  Fri Oct 24 06:56:33 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:56:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <001701c39a03$be0b8030$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFEEKNDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

I get about 50 a day. Started a couple weeks ago. If it hasn't gotten to you
yet, it will probably get to you eventually. The Microsoft Patch Update
looks very official, and any moderate email user can be easily duped.

John Skolits

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


Not a peep here.
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 23 October 2003 23:28
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with
> virus-bearing emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both
> the "Security Update" type and the SWEN-bearing "your email
> could not be delivered" type.  I only get them at work (my
> address for this list) and I'm the only one in the office
> that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Oct 24 07:31:27 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:31:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30662554@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF6E@ADGSERVER>

I am not getting any.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing emails?
I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update" type and the
SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I only get them at
work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in the office that's
getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?

Charlotte Foust
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From kwilliam at ashlandnet.com  Fri Oct 24 07:45:04 2003
From: kwilliam at ashlandnet.com (Keith Williamson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:45:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
Message-ID: <002301c39a2c$a6554330$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>

I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton Antivirus
blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE for
some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after being
downloaded.)

Don't know what is happening here.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail

On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:

> you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list

It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.

I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
going on.

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 07:47:47 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:47:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
In-Reply-To: <20031024110924.2470.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEPOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Actually what you do is in the subform link master fields property simply
place the name of the control (text box usually) that contains the data for
the PK of the parent form.  Then place the FIELD NAME of the related FK in
the Link Child Fields form.

You may have to requery the subform when the main form changes, but try just
changing the text field and see what happens.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:09 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform


Hi group,

I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
On this form I've got a subform (fComments).

The subform is bound to the table tblComments
The mainform is not bound.

How can I link the subform to display the data for the
current record at the main form?

I already tried using a query as a record source for
the subform. The query has a parameter that references
an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work?

Any ideas?

Regards,

SD



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 07:50:03 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:50:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <3F98B711.7010909@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEPPFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't have this file / directory.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
10 since mid august
My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
That is at least 1 ping
from somewhere every 15 secs.
You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs


Todd Buttrey wrote:

>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone away
>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
>
>Todd.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>
>
>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>-Francisco
>>
>>
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 08:25:27 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
In-Reply-To: <20031024112520.A6A952A0093@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031024132527.11148.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>

First prize for Andy! Thnx a lot.

The field I needed was loaded in the OnLoad event. I
needed the Requery after that. I used the Repaint...I
have to figure out the diff between those two.

Thanx again

SD

--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Sander
> What you said you tried sounds right, but you will
> have to Requery the
> subform in the OnCurrent of the main form because
> Access will not do that
> for you.
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Acces User Group"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound
> mainform and subform
> Date: 24/10/03 11:11
> 
> 
> Hi group,
> 
> I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
> On this form I've got a subform (fComments).
> 
> The subform is bound to the table tblComments
> The mainform is not bound.
> 
> How can I link the subform to display the data for
> the
> current record at the main form?
> 
> I already tried using a query as a record source for
> the subform. The query has a parameter that
> references
> an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work?
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> SD
> 
> 
> 
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 08:34:43 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <20031024133443.28726.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar). 

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 24 08:45:30 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:45:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD782B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

It's tempting to say that anything that fights spammers is worthwhile, but I
wonder if handing them millions of bogus email addresses will not just
increase the volume of email traffic on the net. True the email won't arrive
anywhere, but the data still has to move, and will probably generate more
mail back to the spammers when they get the "undeliverable" notices.

Lambert

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> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:24 PM
> To:	AccessD
> Subject:	[AccessD] Any comments on this?
> 
> http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 08:49:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:49:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <20031024133443.28726.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEABFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  Everybody wants this.  It definitely isn't possible strictly within
Access using built in properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:35 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 08:54:20 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:54:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <3F98B711.7010909@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEFAEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Dittos to that! My little red exclamation point in the sys tray has been
blinking constantly for the last week or two.

I had been getting dozens of the aft mentioned viruses a couple of weeks
ago. I looked in the headers and asked the ISP to check into to it and
apparently either they did or by some coincidence the infected person did
something about it.
?

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> 10 since mid august
> My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> That is at least 1 ping
> from somewhere every 15 secs.
> You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
>
>
> Todd Buttrey wrote:
>
> >Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to
> have gone away
> >in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
> >
> >Todd.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> >Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> >>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> >>
> >>:)
> >>
> >>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> >>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> >>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> >>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the
> only one in
> >>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >>>
> >>>Charlotte Foust
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>-Francisco
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >
> >
>
> --
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 08:59:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:59:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <20031024135953.49C0F2FBB2D@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Sander
I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a command button
in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec

It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
to scroll down.

There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date created field,
and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
at the top), then you can do the following:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
me!DateField=Now()
me.requery

This will add the new record with the latest date then the requery will sort
it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 13:37


Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 24 09:16:03 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:16:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD782D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Not a one. But then maybe that's because my Exchange Server is getting rid
of them before I see anything.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:28 PM
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Virus mail
> 
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 09:22:50 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:22:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEPPFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F9935BA.9010501@shaw.ca>

If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
. Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings 
are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
 You may have turned them off.
 From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather 
than log viewer
Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files 
have been turned off
If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.




John Colby wrote:

>I don't have this file / directory.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
>10 since mid august
>My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
>That is at least 1 ping
>from somewhere every 15 secs.
>You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
>
>
>Todd Buttrey wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone away
>>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
>>
>>Todd.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
>>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
>>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
>>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
>>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
>>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>--
>>>-Francisco
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>    
>>
>
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>Canada
>
>
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From ggonzalez at cccis.com  Fri Oct 24 09:24:22 2003
From: ggonzalez at cccis.com (ggonzalez at cccis.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:24:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <OFBEAADFA9.58081F40-ON86256DC9.004E9F13@win.cccis.com>






I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro




                                                                                                                                               
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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
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ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



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Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 09:37:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:37:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
In-Reply-To: <OFBEAADFA9.58081F40-ON86256DC9.004E9F13@win.cccis.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I think you MUST use INSERT, not IMPORT.

INSERT class module, INSERT file.  IF I'm not mistaken it is the insert file
that is the key.

BTW, it was those same two modules by dev and terry that got me looking at
how they did that.  I could use them from their lib, but if I imported them
into my lib I couldn't see them outside the lib.  HOW'D THEY DO THAT?  It
took about half a day to find the answer (back in 2000 or thereabouts).

John W. Colby
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ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:24 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro





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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



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Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 09:40:31 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:40:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <3F9935BA.9010501@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.

I guess I should ask this again though.

I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down and
bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are you seeing
pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
. Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
 You may have turned them off.
 From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather
than log viewer
Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files
have been turned off
If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.




John Colby wrote:

>I don't have this file / directory.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
>10 since mid august
>My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
>That is at least 1 ping
>from somewhere every 15 secs.
>You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
>
>
>Todd Buttrey wrote:
>
>
>
>>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
away
>>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
>>
>>Todd.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
>>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
>>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
>>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
>>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
>>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>-Francisco
>>>
>>>
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>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 09:40:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:40:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <20031024135953.49C0F2FBB2D@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Andy,

I usually have the button place the form in Data entry mode (filter out the
existing records).  To do this, store the current values for Data Entry and
Allow Additions, then set DataEntry Yes / Allow Additions Yes, then in after
update of the form set these properties back to their original values, and
finally requery the form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Sander
I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a command button
in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec

It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
to scroll down.

There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date created field,
and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
at the top), then you can do the following:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
me!DateField=Now()
me.requery

This will add the new record with the latest date then the requery will sort
it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 13:37


Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 09:55:12 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:55:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <20031024145508.22CE427558C@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Nice idea JC. I'll try that one next time.

--
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 14:43


Andy,

I usually have the button place the form in Data entry mode (filter out the
existing records). To do this, store the current values for Data Entry and
Allow Additions, then set DataEntry Yes / Allow Additions Yes, then in after
update of the form set these properties back to their original values, and
finally requery the form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Sander
I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a command button
in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec

It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
to scroll down.

There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date created field,
and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
at the top), then you can do the following:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
me!DateField=Now()
me.requery

This will add the new record with the latest date then the requery will sort
it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 13:37


Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Oct 24 10:07:33 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:07:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <20031024135953.49C0F2FBB2D@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHMEOLEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing is to
basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound fields
on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.

If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are not in
the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).

The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
clicks an add button.  You validate the data, write the data to the table
and requery the subform.  And if that record needs to be at the top then
just set the sort order accordingly.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
> Sander
> I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
> your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
> command button
> in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
>
> It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
> to scroll down.
>
> There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
> extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
> created field,
> and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
> at the top), then you can do the following:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
> me!DateField=Now()
> me.requery
>
> This will add the new record with the latest date then the
> requery will sort
> it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
> Date: 24/10/03 13:37
>
>
> Hi group,
>
> I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
> it is possible to add a record. However I first have
> to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>
> Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
> record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>
> So you see an empty line and below it are all
> detailrecords.
>
> Hope this makes sence.
>
> TIA
>
> SD
>
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 24 10:14:27 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:14:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKAELFDJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

A router (like the netgear the I use) only protects incoming attacks. I dont
believe they protect againts outgoing (software caused) attacks as in
software calling home or blaster type virii as software firewalls do.

David

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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.

I guess I should ask this again though.

I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down and
bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are you seeing
pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 10:14:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:14:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <20031024151452.C591B25F4A5@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Blimey, another good idea. Nice one Reuben. Just goes to prove what a
flexible little baby Access is, or perhaps what flexible little minds are
needed to use it.

Anyway there's lots to go on Sander.

--
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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 15:11


Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing is to
basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound fields
on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.

If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are not in
the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).

The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
clicks an add button. You validate the data, write the data to the table
and requery the subform. And if that record needs to be at the top then
just set the sort order accordingly.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
> Sander
> I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
> your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
> command button
> in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
>
> It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
> to scroll down.
>
> There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
> extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
> created field,
> and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
> at the top), then you can do the following:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
> me!DateField=Now()
> me.requery
>
> This will add the new record with the latest date then the
> requery will sort
> it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
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> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
> Date: 24/10/03 13:37
>
>
> Hi group,
>
> I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
> it is possible to add a record. However I first have
> to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>
> Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
> record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>
> So you see an empty line and below it are all
> detailrecords.
>
> Hope this makes sence.
>
> TIA
>
> SD
>

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From ggonzalez at cccis.com  Fri Oct 24 10:20:52 2003
From: ggonzalez at cccis.com (ggonzalez at cccis.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <OF4651DA43.109A07CE-ON86256DC9.005440C2@win.cccis.com>






Thats, correct you needt to use insert and not import.

Thanks!


                                                                                                                                               
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I think you MUST use INSERT, not IMPORT.

INSERT class module, INSERT file.  IF I'm not mistaken it is the insert
file
that is the key.

BTW, it was those same two modules by dev and terry that got me looking at
how they did that.  I could use them from their lib, but if I imported them
into my lib I couldn't see them outside the lib.  HOW'D THEY DO THAT?  It
took about half a day to find the answer (back in 2000 or thereabouts).

John W. Colby
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ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:24 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro





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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
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ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



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Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 10:25:26 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:25:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKAELFDJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAJFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I dont believe they protect againts outgoing (software caused) attacks as
in software calling home or blaster type virii as software firewalls do.

Understood.  I use spybot to find and get rid of "call home" software.  And
with NAV running AFAIK I don't ever get viruses per se.  It seemed like a
lot of extra work using it for not a lot of extra protection so I just
stopped after awhile.  I ran Zonealarm on top of the hardware firewall for
awhile but it didn't seem to be doing anything for me so I stopped.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
(Home)
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


A router (like the netgear the I use) only protects incoming attacks. I dont
believe they protect againts outgoing (software caused) attacks as in
software calling home or blaster type virii as software firewalls do.

David

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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.

I guess I should ask this again though.

I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down and
bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are you seeing
pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 10:32:45 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:32:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I'm using a DSL router with a built-in firewall, which required me to
uninstall zonealarm and I never reinstalled it.  I ran Steve Gibsons
tests and my machine came back fully stealthed without it, so I haven't
bothered.

Charlotte Foust

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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.

I guess I should ask this again though.

I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down
and bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in
it and so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you
guys using Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so
are you seeing pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
. Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211  You may have
turned them off.  From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then
Main Tab rather than log viewer Expand to full screen other wise you may
not  see advanced tab Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs
or if the log files have been turned off If you turn them on you may get
a quick 20 M taken up by these files.




John Colby wrote:

>I don't have this file / directory.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of

>10 since mid august My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average 
>of 30K a day to 400K. That is at least 1 ping
>from somewhere every 15 secs.
>You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
>
>
>Todd Buttrey wrote:
>
>
>
>>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
away
>>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming 
>>from.
>>
>>Todd.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else 
>>>may be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing 
>>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"

>>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.

>>>>I only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only 
>>>>one in the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte Foust _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>-Francisco
>>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 10:35:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:35:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D9@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I wish ours would!  I get both the neutered virus message and a message
from Exchange Server telling me it quarantined the virus!  This has been
going on for weeks.  I actually managed to clog up the Exchange Server's
quarantine folder with all those darn things.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


Not a one. But then maybe that's because my Exchange Server is getting
rid of them before I see anything.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:28 PM
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Virus mail
> 
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing 
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update" 
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I

> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one 
> in the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 10:39:01 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:39:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, and have been
setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a bunch of directories
from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is All Win2K Pro.

In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The transfer starts.  I can
then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That transfer starts.  I
can do this many times, and although each transfer slows down to share the
hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along smoothly.

With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole process locks up.  I
eventually get a "network connection lost".

Isn't XP Home grand.

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 10:40:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:40:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I didn't think it was the list since not everyone is affected.  It's
just that my office email address isn't exactly everywhere on the net
and I don't get much email besides list posts except for spam and
internal stuff.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:

> you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count! 
> and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list

It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.

I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
going on.

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 10:45:01 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:45:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <002301c39a2c$a6554330$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c39a45$c977d300$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine clear of
spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.

Rocky

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From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
> detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
> the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
> Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 10:44:53 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:44:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F129bieLYCT4aJ00006944@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

Not a pretty solution...but could you set up the header of the subform for 
data entry(make it look like an empty an empty record) and use the body of 
the subform just to display the records sorted whatever way you want?  When 
they click save...it blanks the header and refreshes the body so it looks 
like the are just adding to the top?

Mark


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>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:49:16 -0400
>
>LOL.  Everybody wants this.  It definitely isn't possible strictly within
>Access using built in properties.
>
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>
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>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:35 AM
>To: Acces User Group
>Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
>Hi group,
>
>I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
>it is possible to add a record. However I first have
>to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>
>Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
>record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>
>So you see an empty line and below it are all
>detailrecords.
>
>Hope this makes sence.
>
>TIA
>
>SD
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 10:46:50 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:46:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEFAEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00a301c39a46$0a44dfe0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Here, Road Runner is cleaning a lot of the viruses from email before sending
them on.  Which raises the question of why the ISPs aren't our first line of
defense against viruses.

And spam as well.  Can't they detect an when a sender's email address isn't
legitimate and give us the option to block those emails?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


> Dittos to that! My little red exclamation point in the sys tray has been
> blinking constantly for the last week or two.
>
> I had been getting dozens of the aft mentioned viruses a couple of weeks
> ago. I looked in the headers and asked the ISP to check into to it and
> apparently either they did or by some coincidence the infected person did
> something about it.
> ?
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:22 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> > 10 since mid august
> > My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> > That is at least 1 ping
> > from somewhere every 15 secs.
> > You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
> >
> >
> > Todd Buttrey wrote:
> >
> > >Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to
> > have gone away
> > >in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming
from.
> > >
> > >Todd.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> > >Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> > >>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> > >>
> > >>:)
> > >>
> > >>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> > >>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> > >>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.
I
> > >>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the
> > only one in
> > >>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> > >>>
> > >>>Charlotte Foust
> > >>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>--
> > >>-Francisco
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>AccessD mailing list
> > >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >AccessD mailing list
> > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Marty Connelly
> > Victoria, B.C.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 10:52:56 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:52:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c39a46$e4602400$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I use both the router firewall (Linksys BEFW1154) and Zone Alarm.  I didn't
see any downside to keeping ZA going, and don't know enough about the router
firewall to feel it's going to be 100%.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


> Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.
>
> I guess I should ask this again though.
>
> I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down
and
> bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
> so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
> Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are you
seeing
> pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
> . Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
> When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
> are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
>  You may have turned them off.
>  From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather
> than log viewer
> Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
> Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files
> have been turned off
> If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.
>
>
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >I don't have this file / directory.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> >I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> >10 since mid august
> >My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> >That is at least 1 ping
> >from somewhere every 15 secs.
> >You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
> >
> >
> >Todd Buttrey wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
> away
> >>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming
from.
> >>
> >>Todd.
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> >>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> >>>
> >>>:)
> >>>
> >>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> >>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> >>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> >>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one
in
> >>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >>>>
> >>>>Charlotte Foust
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>>-Francisco
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>AccessD mailing list
> >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>AccessD mailing list
> >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Marty Connelly
> >Victoria, B.C.
> >Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 11:02:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:02:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
free.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE 
> temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything

> in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't

> it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the 
> net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and

> Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how 
> the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive 
> (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious 
> code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to 
> > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this 
> > list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering going

> on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 11:12:30 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:12:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <011b01c39a49$a05dfc70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I use the stopper as well - one of the best pieces of software I ever
welcomed into my system.  What WinPatrol?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the
> > net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how
> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this
> > > list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>


From kwilliam at ashlandnet.com  Fri Oct 24 11:18:39 2003
From: kwilliam at ashlandnet.com (Keith Williamson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:18:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <009b01c39a45$c977d300$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002c01c39a4a$7c853d30$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>

I actually, also, have Spybot.....which is doing a good job of getting rid
of stuff that made it to my hard drive.  I'm just trying to find out how it
made it to the hard drive....if my virus protection does recognize the code
as malicious.  It is supposed to be scanning everything that is flowing to
my computer.  I liken this to catching the terrorists on the runway, with
weapons.  How did they get past the gate, in the first place.  Yeah...it is
great that we caught them....but they aren't supposed to get this far,
first.   :)

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail

Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine clear of
spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
> detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
> the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
> Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Oct 24 11:19:09 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:19:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHIEOOEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble everyone faces.
I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received a popup or
anything.  In two years I would bet that Norton has caught maybe 10 virus
infected emails total for all 6 machines.

Now maybe I'm spoiled with my DSL provider and the filtering job he does,
but I think you all should start throwing fits with those providing the
services.  For example, my brother gets his DSL directly from Verizon in
Fort Wayne, IN and all he gets done is closing pop ups (and he refuses to
put a router on his PC for some reason).

I realize this doesn't help you all out much, but I had to say something
after reading all this.

BTW, I have never received an infected message from the list (as indicated
by the 10 infected messages in two years)

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the
> > net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how
> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this
> > > list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
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From paulo at esb.ucp.pt  Fri Oct 24 11:20:38 2003
From: paulo at esb.ucp.pt (Paulo Alexandre Ramos)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:20:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <0111772B-063E-11D8-96F4-000A9589191E@esb.ucp.pt>

John,


I think that is bad network configuration.


Paulo

On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:

> I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, and have been
> setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a bunch of 
> directories
> from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is All Win2K Pro.
>
> In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The transfer starts.  I 
> can
> then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That transfer 
> starts.  I
> can do this many times, and although each transfer slows down to share 
> the
> hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along smoothly.
>
> With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole process locks up.  
> I
> eventually get a "network connection lost".
>
> Isn't XP Home grand.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 11:23:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F129bieLYCT4aJ00006944@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEAOFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I kinda prefer that to leaving unbound controls on the parent form.  This
way the data entry fields would travel with the subform so to speak.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Hello All,

Not a pretty solution...but could you set up the header of the subform for
data entry(make it look like an empty an empty record) and use the body of
the subform just to display the records sorted whatever way you want?  When
they click save...it blanks the header and refreshes the body so it looks
like the are just adding to the top?

Mark


>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:49:16 -0400
>
>LOL.  Everybody wants this.  It definitely isn't possible strictly within
>Access using built in properties.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:35 AM
>To: Acces User Group
>Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
>Hi group,
>
>I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
>it is possible to add a record. However I first have
>to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>
>Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
>record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>
>So you see an empty line and below it are all
>detailrecords.
>
>Hope this makes sence.
>
>TIA
>
>SD
>
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 24 11:35:43 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:35:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <002c01c39a4a$7c853d30$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKKELNDJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

"Mailicous spyware is not a virus..." is the reply that I have received from
AV companies. And technically they are true, but I have seen Gator (a
spyware) cause more grief on my brothers computer than any virus ever did to
him.

So since spyware is not a virus, AV software do not scan or detect them
(although most of the later AV software packages are starting to include
spyware detection) :)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Keith
Williamson
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I actually, also, have Spybot.....which is doing a good job of getting rid
of stuff that made it to my hard drive.  I'm just trying to find out how it
made it to the hard drive....if my virus protection does recognize the code
as malicious.  It is supposed to be scanning everything that is flowing to
my computer.  I liken this to catching the terrorists on the runway, with
weapons.  How did they get past the gate, in the first place.  Yeah...it is
great that we caught them....but they aren't supposed to get this far,
first.   :)

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail

Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine clear of
spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
> detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
> the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
> Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Oct 24 11:39:22 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:39:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0153@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I traced a Trojan Horse the other day - and it came from Comcast Cable. I
thought that was very interesting.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I actually, also, have Spybot.....which is doing a good job of getting rid
of stuff that made it to my hard drive.  I'm just trying to find out how it
made it to the hard drive....if my virus protection does recognize the code
as malicious.  It is supposed to be scanning everything that is flowing to
my computer.  I liken this to catching the terrorists on the runway, with
weapons.  How did they get past the gate, in the first place.  Yeah...it is
great that we caught them....but they aren't supposed to get this far,
first.   :)

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail

Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine clear of
spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
> detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
> the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
> Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 12:03:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:03:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DD@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I've never gotten a virus at home.  My DSL provider does a good job.
It's my office where I'm having problems and no, we don't have a
firewall in spite of my loud protests.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble everyone
faces. I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received
a popup or anything.  In two years I would bet that Norton has caught
maybe 10 virus infected emails total for all 6 machines.

Now maybe I'm spoiled with my DSL provider and the filtering job he
does, but I think you all should start throwing fits with those
providing the services.  For example, my brother gets his DSL directly
from Verizon in Fort Wayne, IN and all he gets done is closing pop ups
(and he refuses to put a router on his PC for some reason).

I realize this doesn't help you all out much, but I had to say something
after reading all this.

BTW, I have never received an infected message from the list (as
indicated by the 10 infected messages in two years)

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine 
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both 
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE 
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing 
> > anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why 
> > wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing 
> > the net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly 
> > scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how

> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive

> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious 
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to 
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined 
> > > this list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
> > going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 12:04:14 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKKELNDJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEKKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Symantec was slated to included spyware detectors in their 2004 line-up. I
don't know if it made it or not because they are being sued by Gator over
the issue.

One cable company installs monitoring software (which is the positive term
for spyware). I read through their EULA and its looks like they left the
door open to use it as spyware if they so decide.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
> (Home)
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> "Mailicous spyware is not a virus..." is the reply that I have
> received from
> AV companies. And technically they are true, but I have seen Gator (a
> spyware) cause more grief on my brothers computer than any virus
> ever did to
> him.
>
> So since spyware is not a virus, AV software do not scan or detect them
> (although most of the later AV software packages are starting to include
> spyware detection) :)
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Keith
> Williamson
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I actually, also, have Spybot.....which is doing a good job of getting rid
> of stuff that made it to my hard drive.  I'm just trying to find
> out how it
> made it to the hard drive....if my virus protection does
> recognize the code
> as malicious.  It is supposed to be scanning everything that is flowing to
> my computer.  I liken this to catching the terrorists on the runway, with
> weapons.  How did they get past the gate, in the first place.
> Yeah...it is
> great that we caught them....but they aren't supposed to get this far,
> first.   :)
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my
> machine clear of
> spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> > folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why
> wasn't it
> > detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing
> the net, in
> > the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> > antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> > managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
> (being as how
> > Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> > going on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 12:04:16 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEKKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Yes, combining hardware and software firewalls will more thoroughly cover
your assets. You may use a spyware detector but they're only as good as
they're updates. A software firewall will prevent outgoing traffic as well
as incoming.

A software firewall is one way to catch trojan horses and spyware that isn't
known to the greater world yet. It is how I discovered the cable companies
monitoring software. It is also how I discovered that it doesn't do anything
for the end user. I wouldn't let it through for a week and it had no effect.
I removed it entirely and it had no effect.

The only downside to using a software firewall is the memory use and it
usually make startups a little slower.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.
>
> I guess I should ask this again though.
>
> I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally
> broke down and
> bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
> so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
> Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are
> you seeing
> pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
> . Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
> When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
> are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
>  You may have turned them off.
>  From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather
> than log viewer
> Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
> Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files
> have been turned off
> If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.
>
>
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >I don't have this file / directory.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> >I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> >10 since mid august
> >My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> >That is at least 1 ping
> >from somewhere every 15 secs.
> >You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
> >
> >
> >Todd Buttrey wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
> away
> >>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were
> coming from.
> >>
> >>Todd.
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> >>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> >>>
> >>>:)
> >>>
> >>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> >>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> >>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> >>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the
> only one in
> >>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >>>>
> >>>>Charlotte Foust
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>>-Francisco
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>AccessD mailing list
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Marty Connelly
> >Victoria, B.C.
> >Canada
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 12:06:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:06:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

WinPatrol is freeware that watches stuff starting up on your machine and
asks you if stuff it doesn't recognize should be allowed.  Check out
http://winpatrol.com

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


I use the stopper as well - one of the best pieces of software I ever
welcomed into my system.  What WinPatrol?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine 
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both 
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE 
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing 
> > anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why 
> > wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing 
> > the net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly 
> > scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how

> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive

> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious 
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to 
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined 
> > > this list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
> > going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
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> >
>
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Oct 24 12:12:39 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:12:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D8C@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hallo List :-)

in a db I use the start option of having a form open when the db is opened.

is it possible to change this using code?

tia

alun

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 12:12:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:12:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <0111772B-063E-11D8-96F4-000A9589191E@esb.ucp.pt>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

That may well be, but my network works fine for all the 2K boxes.  Just
added this in and I'm getting problems ONLY for the XP home box.  So were is
the problem?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paulo
Alexandre Ramos
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home


John,


I think that is bad network configuration.


Paulo

On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:

> I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, and have been
> setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a bunch of
> directories
> from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is All Win2K Pro.
>
> In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The transfer starts.  I
> can
> then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That transfer
> starts.  I
> can do this many times, and although each transfer slows down to share
> the
> hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along smoothly.
>
> With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole process locks up.
> I
> eventually get a "network connection lost".
>
> Isn't XP Home grand.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 24 12:13:30 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:13:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F79F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools | Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).

I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jim DeMarco


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 12:17:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:17:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Try spybot-search & destroy.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)


I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does
anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that
continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to
see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools |
Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).

I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jim DeMarco


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recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
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prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the
named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the
sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 24 12:24:07 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:24:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEKKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKAEMADJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

It also shows how often Microsoft software (especially XP) calls home (as
well as other software). Same thing, block it for a couple of weeks, you
find out it really isnt needed. Hmmm, why doesn MS call home so much?

:)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Yes, combining hardware and software firewalls will more thoroughly cover
your assets. You may use a spyware detector but they're only as good as
they're updates. A software firewall will prevent outgoing traffic as well
as incoming.

A software firewall is one way to catch trojan horses and spyware that isn't
known to the greater world yet. It is how I discovered the cable companies
monitoring software. It is also how I discovered that it doesn't do anything
for the end user. I wouldn't let it through for a week and it had no effect.
I removed it entirely and it had no effect.

The only downside to using a software firewall is the memory use and it
usually make startups a little slower.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.
>
> I guess I should ask this again though.
>
> I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally
> broke down and
> bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
> so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
> Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are
> you seeing
> pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
> . Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
> When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
> are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
>  You may have turned them off.
>  From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather
> than log viewer
> Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
> Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files
> have been turned off
> If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.
>
>
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >I don't have this file / directory.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> >I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> >10 since mid august
> >My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> >That is at least 1 ping
> >from somewhere every 15 secs.
> >You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
> >
> >
> >Todd Buttrey wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
> away
> >>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were
> coming from.
> >>
> >>Todd.
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> >>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> >>>
> >>>:)
> >>>
> >>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> >>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> >>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> >>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the
> only one in
> >>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >>>>
> >>>>Charlotte Foust
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>>-Francisco
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>AccessD mailing list
> >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Marty Connelly
> >Victoria, B.C.
> >Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 24 12:20:37 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:20:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7839@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Spybot Search And Destroy is pretty good for that too.

http://spybot.eon.net.au/

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jim DeMarco [SMTP:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent:	Friday, October 24, 2003 1:14 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	[AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
> 
> I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does anyone
> know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that continually opens
> when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to see what I could find
> but the only solution does not work (Tools | Internet Options | Programs
> Tab | Reset Web Settings...).
> 
> I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 12:25:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:25:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHIEOOEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEFGEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Reuben,
My ISP scans for viruses and deletes the email if it is just an automated
type that contains no useable information. I appreciated that.

However, then they started SPAM filtering, and many of my client's emails
were held back as SPAM (false positives). At the time I worked mostly with
government so I didn't get the connection at all. I still use the same ISP
but I moved my domain to another hosting service which gave me more control
over my company email. So now everything comes through and I filter it
myself.

The wierd thing is that I have never had a SPAM filter false postive for my
personal email account, which is still with the original ISP email system.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reuben
> Cummings
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble
> everyone faces.
> I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received
> a popup or
> anything.  In two years I would bet that Norton has caught maybe 10 virus
> infected emails total for all 6 machines.
>
> Now maybe I'm spoiled with my DSL provider and the filtering job he does,
> but I think you all should start throwing fits with those providing the
> services.  For example, my brother gets his DSL directly from Verizon in
> Fort Wayne, IN and all he gets done is closing pop ups (and he refuses to
> put a router on his PC for some reason).
>
> I realize this doesn't help you all out much, but I had to say something
> after reading all this.
>
> BTW, I have never received an infected message from the list (as indicated
> by the 10 infected messages in two years)
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > Keith:
> >
> > I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> > clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> > free.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> > Antivirus
> > > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything
> >
> > > in IE
> > for
> > > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't
> >
> > > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the
> > > net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and
> >
> > > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how
> > > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
> > > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > > code....albeit, only after
> > being
> > > downloaded.)
> > >
> > > Don't know what is happening here.
> > >
> > > Keith E. Williamson
> > > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> > Carbonnell
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> > >
> > > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> > >
> > > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this
> > > > list
> > >
> > > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> > >
> > > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering going
> >
> > > on.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> > >
> > >
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri Oct 24 12:42:55 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D8C@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <002701c39a56$43da97d0$6401a8c0@default>

Alun,

>From looking up GetOption in (not much) Help
you can get to this page from the link:
Set Options from Visual Basic

I can't get back to where I found this example,
but here it is ...

Sub SetStartupProperties()
Const DB_Text As Long = 10
Const DB_Boolean As Long = 1
    ChangeProperty "StartupForm", DB_Text, "Customers"
    ChangeProperty "StartupShowDBWindow", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "StartupShowStatusBar", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowBuiltinToolbars", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowFullMenus", DB_Boolean, True
    ChangeProperty "AllowBreakIntoCode", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowSpecialKeys", DB_Boolean, True
    ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", DB_Boolean, True
End Sub

Function ChangeProperty(strPropName As String, varPropType As Variant,
varPropValue As Variant) As Integer
    Dim dbs As Object, prp As Variant
    Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    On Error GoTo Change_Err
    dbs.Properties(strPropName) = varPropValue
    ChangeProperty = True

Change_Bye:
    Exit Function

Change_Err:
    If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then    ' Property not found.
        Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty(strPropName, _
            varPropType, varPropValue)
        dbs.Properties.Append prp
        Resume Next
    Else
        ' Unknown error.
        ChangeProperty = False
        Resume Change_Bye
    End If
End Function
Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Garraway, Alun" <Alun.Garraway at otto.de>
To: "Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:12 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code


> hallo List :-)
>
> in a db I use the start option of having a form open when the db is
opened.
>
> is it possible to change this using code?
>
> tia
>
> alun
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 12:44:43 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:44:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E0@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

That sample was in the 97 help, I believe.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael R Mattys [mailto:michael.mattys at adelphia.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code


Alun,

>From looking up GetOption in (not much) Help
you can get to this page from the link:
Set Options from Visual Basic

I can't get back to where I found this example,
but here it is ...

Sub SetStartupProperties()
Const DB_Text As Long = 10
Const DB_Boolean As Long = 1
    ChangeProperty "StartupForm", DB_Text, "Customers"
    ChangeProperty "StartupShowDBWindow", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "StartupShowStatusBar", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowBuiltinToolbars", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowFullMenus", DB_Boolean, True
    ChangeProperty "AllowBreakIntoCode", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowSpecialKeys", DB_Boolean, True
    ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", DB_Boolean, True
End Sub

Function ChangeProperty(strPropName As String, varPropType As Variant,
varPropValue As Variant) As Integer
    Dim dbs As Object, prp As Variant
    Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    On Error GoTo Change_Err
    dbs.Properties(strPropName) = varPropValue
    ChangeProperty = True

Change_Bye:
    Exit Function

Change_Err:
    If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then    ' Property not found.
        Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty(strPropName, _
            varPropType, varPropValue)
        dbs.Properties.Append prp
        Resume Next
    Else
        ' Unknown error.
        ChangeProperty = False
        Resume Change_Bye
    End If
End Function
Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Garraway, Alun" <Alun.Garraway at otto.de>
To: "Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:12 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code


> hallo List :-)
>
> in a db I use the start option of having a form open when the db is
opened.
>
> is it possible to change this using code?
>
> tia
>
> alun
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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri Oct 24 12:58:16 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:58:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-21733892@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>

John,

Doing what you say is not a problem on XP Pro machines. 
I've done it several times.

It does sound like another (seemingly) pointless 
limitation built into a home version of a product by M$ to 
me.

FWIW.

Ron


On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:12:59 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>That may well be, but my network works fine for all the 
>2K boxes.  Just
>added this in and I'm getting problems ONLY for the XP 
>home box.  So were is
>the problem?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
>Paulo
>Alexandre Ramos
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
>
>
>John,
>
>
>I think that is bad network configuration.
>
>
>Paulo
>
>On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:
>
>> I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, 
>>and have been
>> setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a 
>>bunch of
>> directories
>> from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is 
>>All Win2K Pro.
>>
>> In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The 
>>transfer starts.  I
>> can
>> then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That 
>>transfer
>> starts.  I
>> can do this many times, and although each transfer slows 
>>down to share
>> the
>> hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along 
>>smoothly.
>>
>> With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole 
>>process locks up.
>> I
>> eventually get a "network connection lost".
>>
>> Isn't XP Home grand.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 12:59:06 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:59:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEFHEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Ditto, even if it doesn't detect it as a problem you can go into the
advanced mode and use the tools to find it. Check out the ActiveX and BHOs.
It's probably listed there. You can toggle the BHOs on and off. The ActiveXs
you'll want to remove.

HTH
jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> Try spybot-search & destroy.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does
> anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that
> continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to
> see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools |
> Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).
>
> I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 13:08:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:08:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <web-21733892@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>It does sound like another (seemingly) pointless limitation built into a
home version of a product by M$ to me.

'deed it do.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home


John,

Doing what you say is not a problem on XP Pro machines.
I've done it several times.

It does sound like another (seemingly) pointless
limitation built into a home version of a product by M$ to
me.

FWIW.

Ron


On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:12:59 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>That may well be, but my network works fine for all the
>2K boxes.  Just
>added this in and I'm getting problems ONLY for the XP
>home box.  So were is
>the problem?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>Paulo
>Alexandre Ramos
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
>
>
>John,
>
>
>I think that is bad network configuration.
>
>
>Paulo
>
>On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:
>
>> I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it,
>>and have been
>> setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a
>>bunch of
>> directories
>> from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is
>>All Win2K Pro.
>>
>> In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The
>>transfer starts.  I
>> can
>> then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That
>>transfer
>> starts.  I
>> can do this many times, and although each transfer slows
>>down to share
>> the
>> hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along
>>smoothly.
>>
>> With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole
>>process locks up.
>> I
>> eventually get a "network connection lost".
>>
>> Isn't XP Home grand.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
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From dli at NVTC.State.Va.Us  Fri Oct 24 13:23:28 2003
From: dli at NVTC.State.Va.Us (Li, Dahuan)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:23:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM
Message-ID: <916533288F6BD511A12000B0D020B0E4F9E9F1@NVTC02>

I get "Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM" in VB6 application. THe
application does convert Fox Pro 2.6 to Access Access2000.  I got error 3170
Could not find installable ISAM at line:
Set dbs = OpenDatabase(strDBPath, False, False, "FoxPro 2.6;")

Thanks for any help!


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 13:28:38 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:28:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F996F56.3070500@shaw.ca>

XP Pro would resolve the problem. Some networking functions are disabled 
in XP Home
XP Home can't join domains and has no idea what to do with them. Don't 
use Domains, just Workgroups.
One place to look for guides
http://duxcw.com/

John Colby wrote:

>That may well be, but my network works fine for all the 2K boxes.  Just
>added this in and I'm getting problems ONLY for the XP home box.  So were is
>the problem?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paulo
>Alexandre Ramos
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
>
>
>John,
>
>
>I think that is bad network configuration.
>
>
>Paulo
>
>On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, and have been
>>setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a bunch of
>>directories
>>from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is All Win2K Pro.
>>
>>In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The transfer starts.  I
>>can
>>then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That transfer
>>starts.  I
>>can do this many times, and although each transfer slows down to share
>>the
>>hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along smoothly.
>>
>>With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole process locks up.
>>I
>>eventually get a "network connection lost".
>>
>>Isn't XP Home grand.
>>
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>>www.colbyconsulting.com
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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Fri Oct 24 14:04:23 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:04:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More -
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825FC@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Thanks John and Gumaro. Used the method suggested and got it to work OK in
97.
How would anyone "find" this if it weren't for this list? I searched the web
several times  and got zilch!.
Thanks.
jack

 

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I think you MUST use INSERT, not IMPORT.

INSERT class module, INSERT file.  IF I'm not mistaken it is the insert
file
that is the key.

BTW, it was those same two modules by dev and terry that got me looking at
how they did that.  I could use them from their lib, but if I imported them
into my lib I couldn't see them outside the lib.  HOW'D THEY DO THAT?  It
took about half a day to find the answer (back in 2000 or thereabouts).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:24 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro





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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 14:54:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:54:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More -
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825FC@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
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Glad to help.

John W. Colby
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More -


Thanks John and Gumaro. Used the method suggested and got it to work OK in
97.
How would anyone "find" this if it weren't for this list? I searched the web
several times  and got zilch!.
Thanks.
jack



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 24 14:56:07 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:56:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I've recently gone through trying to connect to FP data using VB 6 and had to download the oledb drivers to it using ADO.  I think I still have the install for them.  Drop me a line off line if you want to try them.

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM


I get "Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM" in VB6 application. THe
application does convert Fox Pro 2.6 to Access Access2000.  I got error 3170
Could not find installable ISAM at line:
Set dbs = OpenDatabase(strDBPath, False, False, "FoxPro 2.6;")

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From ggonzalez at cccis.com  Fri Oct 24 15:41:59 2003
From: ggonzalez at cccis.com (ggonzalez at cccis.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:41:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More -
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your welcome, this list has helped me out plenty of times.

Gumaro


                                                                                                                                               
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Thanks John and Gumaro. Used the method suggested and got it to work OK in
97.
How would anyone "find" this if it weren't for this list? I searched the
web
several times  and got zilch!.
Thanks.
jack



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I think you MUST use INSERT, not IMPORT.

INSERT class module, INSERT file.  IF I'm not mistaken it is the insert
file
that is the key.

BTW, it was those same two modules by dev and terry that got me looking at
how they did that.  I could use them from their lib, but if I imported them
into my lib I couldn't see them outside the lib.  HOW'D THEY DO THAT?  It
took about half a day to find the answer (back in 2000 or thereabouts).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro





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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 15:56:48 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:56:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM
References: <916533288F6BD511A12000B0D020B0E4F9E9F1@NVTC02>
Message-ID: <3F999210.2090102@shaw.ca>

There were changes to some of the Foxpro Isam drivers in Jet SP-4 to 
SP-6. I cant find the SP file manifests on the MS site they keep moving 
them.
So an upgrade to Jet SP-8 might fix or maybe ( a big maybe -- the Visual 
FoxPro V8 oledb provider might work rather than the old ODBC driver). I 
don't know how backward compatible it is. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/

Jet SP 8.0
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829558
Look at version properties of dll to see what service pack you have

Msjet40.dll Version Jet 4.0 Service Pack Level
4.0.2927.4 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
4.0.3714.7 Service Pack 4 (SP4)
4.0.4431.1 or 4.0.4431.3 Service Pack 5 (SP5)
4.0.6218.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6)
4.0.6807.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6) shipped only with Windows Server 2003
4.0.7328.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7)
4.0.8015.0 Service Pack 8 (SP8)

Li, Dahuan wrote:

>I get "Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM" in VB6 application. THe
>application does convert Fox Pro 2.6 to Access Access2000.  I got error 3170
>Could not find installable ISAM at line:
>Set dbs = OpenDatabase(strDBPath, False, False, "FoxPro 2.6;")
>
>Thanks for any help!
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 16:04:15 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:04:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3F9993CF.3030603@shaw.ca>

Went looking for version SP 7.0 of Jet and got redirected.to 8.0

Information about Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829558

How To: Obtain the Latest Service Pack for the Microsoft Jet 4.0 
Database Engine
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;239114#11

To find what Jet Service Pack you are running
On the Start menu, click Search.
In the Search Results pane, click All files and folders under Search 
Companion.
In the All or part of the file name box, type msjet40.dll, and then 
click Search.
In the list of files, right-click the Msjet40.dll file that is located 
in the Windows\System32 (or Windows\System) folder, and then click 
Properties.
Click the Version tab, and then use the following table to determine the 
current Jet 4.0 service pack level:
Msjet40.dll Version Jet 4.0 Service Pack Level
4.0.2927.4 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
4.0.3714.7 Service Pack 4 (SP4)
4.0.4431.1 or 4.0.4431.3 Service Pack 5 (SP5)
4.0.6218.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6)
4.0.6807.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6) shipped only with Windows Server 2003
4.0.7328.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7)
4.0.8015.0 Service Pack 8 (SP8)

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 24 16:08:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:08:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273D8@main2.marlow.com>

Even easier.  Just dump it into a table, and sort the table any way you
please!  I have used it.  I wrote some code to 'create' an Access Form in
HTML version.  To make it complete, it had to create VB code to interact
with it, which required the use of the recordsource for each control.  I had
the recordsource dump into a table, for easier referencing.

Drew

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:06 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


LOL, yep too easy.  I was hoping for someone who actually used it.  I need
it sorted so I can find things in the listing.  I can whip out what you
wrote in about 5 minutes.  Sorting is another matter.  I actually have a
sort I wrote one time that sorts stuff going into a collection.  Guess I
need to dig it out.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


That's easy.

Dim ctrl
dim strTemp
strTemp="SELECT "
For each ctrl in Me.Controls
	if isnull(ctrl.ControlSource)=False and ctrl.ControlSource<>"" then
		strTemp=strTemp & ctrl.ControlSource & ", "
	end if
Next
strTemp=Left(strTemp,Len(strTemp)-2)

Now, if you have unbound controls, that code might act up a bit, so you
would need to nest the If then statement in another one that checks the
types of controls (either ignore the controls that can't be bound, or
specify those that can).

Drew

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I have a form that the user wanted hundreds of fields from half dozen tables
displayed on tabs.  I just used SELECT * during design because I didn't know
what they would want and what they wouldn't.  Now it is done and it's time
to clean up, not pull more than I absolutely need etc.

One tabbed form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:15 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 16:09:38 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:09:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009701c39a73$227a68f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Thanks Charlotte.  I downloaded it to machine #2 and it looks good.

BTW, here's a link I think I got from this list originally but it is SO
useful:

http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

tells you what each of the tasks are in your task manager list and what you
should do about it, if anything.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> WinPatrol is freeware that watches stuff starting up on your machine and
> asks you if stuff it doesn't recognize should be allowed.  Check out
> http://winpatrol.com
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I use the stopper as well - one of the best pieces of software I ever
> welcomed into my system.  What WinPatrol?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > Keith:
> >
> > I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> > clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> > free.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> > Antivirus
> > > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing
> > > anything
> >
> > > in IE
> > for
> > > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why
> > > wasn't
> >
> > > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing
> > > the net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly
> > > scans...and
> >
> > > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how
>
> > > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
>
> > > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > > code....albeit, only after
> > being
> > > downloaded.)
> > >
> > > Don't know what is happening here.
> > >
> > > Keith E. Williamson
> > > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> > Carbonnell
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> > >
> > > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> > >
> > > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined
> > > > this list
> > >
> > > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> > >
> > > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> > > going
> >
> > > on.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 17:36:34 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:36:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECAFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Oct 24 17:48:08 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:48:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F99AC28.4010108@verizon.net>

What a great MS scheme.  MS receives money from the OEM's for bundeling 
MS XP Home, user's who want more money buy HOME w/ their laptops / 
desktops and then run out and BUY PRO....

that MS money machine :)

John Colby wrote:

> Isn't XP Home grand.

-- 
-Francisco



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 24 17:47:09 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:47:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273D9@main2.marlow.com>

I suggest a ball peen hammer.  <grin>  There is a thing called a manual
though...<evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From kathryn at bassett.net  Fri Oct 24 17:59:44 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <20031024225944.7BF037270@sitemail.everyone.net>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct 24 18:17:14 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:17:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
In-Reply-To: <20031024110924.2470.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F9A3F9A.3915.39067D@localhost>

On 24 Oct 2003 at 4:09, Sad Der wrote:

> Hi group,
> 
> I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
> On this form I've got a subform (fComments). 
> 
> The subform is bound to the table tblComments
> The mainform is not bound.
> 
> How can I link the subform to display the data for the
> current record at the main form?
> 

Set the "Link Master Fields"  property of the subform to the name of 
the control which holds the relevant key data.




 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct 24 17:48:35 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:48:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <web-21733892@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <3F9A38E3.14391.1EC9E1@localhost>

On 24 Oct 2003 at 14:08, John Colby wrote:

> >It does sound like another (seemingly) pointless limitation built into a
> home version of a product by M$ to me.
> 
> 'deed it do.
> 

XP Home allows a limited number of "connections". Maybe it is seeing 
each task as a separate connection.



 
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 24 18:18:10 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:18:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F997AF2.6831.431752@localhost>

On 24 Oct 2003 at 8:40, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I didn't think it was the list since not everyone is affected.  It's
> just that my office email address isn't exactly everywhere on the net
> and I don't get much email besides list posts except for spam and
> internal stuff.

That comment was directed more at Gus, since he said that the amount 
he has received has increased since he joined the list.

I just wanted to reassure him that it wasn't us.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly 
by. - Douglas Adams



From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Oct 24 18:27:46 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:27:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
In-Reply-To: <20031024225944.7BF037270@sitemail.everyone.net>
References: <20031024225944.7BF037270@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <3F99B572.4080104@verizon.net>

Hello,
there have been a few threads already spinning around that really don't 
have anything to do w/ Access but are welcomed threads due to 
information on computers or the like.  I'd like to remind everyone that 
we do have a "TECH" list which is available at www.databaseadvisors.com 
if you are a member youc can easily post by sending mail to 
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com

This really will help us continue some traffic to this list where these 
topics are very much ON TOPIC rather than OT.


Thanks for following along,


Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> JC, I think when I installed mine, I had to download the latest firmware.
> 
> Kathryn Bassett, writing from the genealogy library in Salt Lake
> 
> 
> --- "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
> on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
> grateful.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

-- 
-Francisco



From artful at rogers.com  Fri Oct 24 21:22:32 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:22:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] BE Updater questions
Message-ID: <01ad01c39a9e$da903520$6501a8c0@rock>

I have never downloaded this and never used it because only now in the
last several years have I been concerned with MDBs. But now I'm
performing surgery on an MDB and the surgery is radical. I am adding
columns, replacing char PKs with autonum PKs, normalizing subtables into
actual tables and so on.

I can't believe that BE Updater can handle the radical surgeries I am
performing. Someone on the project please tell me I'm wrong -- it could
save me writing many lines of code.

Arthur

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 10/9/2003
 



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 24 18:31:24 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:31:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE Updater questions
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c39a9e$da903520$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <3F997E0C.7490.4F3425@localhost>

On 24 Oct 2003 at 19:22, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I have never downloaded this and never used it because only now in the
> last several years have I been concerned with MDBs. But now I'm
> performing surgery on an MDB and the surgery is radical. I am adding
> columns, replacing char PKs with autonum PKs, normalizing subtables
> into actual tables and so on.
> 
> I can't believe that BE Updater can handle the radical surgeries I am
> performing. Someone on the project please tell me I'm wrong -- it
> could save me writing many lines of code.

I CAN do just about anything you need it to.

Add/Delete/Modify tables/fields

It can run SQL statements.

It slices, it dices.

What do you need it to do?

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That the easiest way for me to grow as a person is to surround myself 
with people smarter than I am.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 18:37:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:37:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273D9@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECDFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I downloaded the manual, the latest drivers, everything.  I think I have
installed / uninstalled it so many times that something is totally hosed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I suggest a ball peen hammer.  <grin>  There is a thing called a manual
though...<evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 19:21:33 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:21:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <3F997AF2.6831.431752@localhost>
Message-ID: <015401c39a8d$f2097c40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Since it's OT Friday - this is like semi OT:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/fri/opinion/news_mz1ed24botto.html

>From the article:

By a resounding 97-to-0 vote, lawmakers approved legislation that aims to
discourage spam, those unwanted commercial e-mails pitching prescription
drugs, cheap loans, herbal remedies and pornography, among other dubious
products and services.

Sponsored by Sens. Conrad Burns, R-Mont., and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., the measure
would outlaw some of the more odious practices by spammers - like disguising
their identity by using a false return address or misrepresenting their
intention by using a deceptive subject line.



End quote.



Of course they can't stop it but suppose they could stop 50% or 20%?  It's a
start.  I think, like the telemarketers, spammers have overplayed their
hand.  Their days are numbered.  Just my opinion.



Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> On 24 Oct 2003 at 8:40, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > I didn't think it was the list since not everyone is affected.  It's
> > just that my office email address isn't exactly everywhere on the net
> > and I don't get much email besides list posts except for spam and
> > internal stuff.
>
> That comment was directed more at Gus, since he said that the amount
> he has received has increased since he joined the list.
>
> I just wanted to reassure him that it wasn't us.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly
> by. - Douglas Adams
>
>
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Fri Oct 24 19:21:50 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:21:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHMEOLEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <005501c39a8d$fc0925b0$6401a8c0@user>

Very clever. I like it
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reuben Cummings 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


  Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing is to
  basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound fields
  on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.

  If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are not in
  the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).

  The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
  clicks an add button.  You validate the data, write the data to the table
  and requery the subform.  And if that record needs to be at the top then
  just set the sort order accordingly.

  Reuben Cummings
  GFC, LLC
  phone: 812.523.1017
  email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
  > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  >
  >
  > Sander
  > I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
  > your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
  > command button
  > in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:
  >
  > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  >
  > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
  > to scroll down.
  >
  > There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
  > extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
  > created field,
  > and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
  > at the top), then you can do the following:
  >
  > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  > me!DateField=Now()
  > me.requery
  >
  > This will add the new record with the latest date then the
  > requery will sort
  > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
  >
  > --
  > Andy Lacey
  > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > --------- Original Message --------
  > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
  >
  >
  > Hi group,
  >
  > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
  > it is possible to add a record. However I first have
  > to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
  >
  > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
  > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
  >
  > So you see an empty line and below it are all
  > detailrecords.
  >
  > Hope this makes sence.
  >
  > TIA
  >
  > SD
  >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 19:42:12 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:42:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Fw: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action
	t	aken.
Message-ID: <016201c39a90$d4b00760$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

What's up with this?  Is it because my email contained the word pornography?
Or Senator?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "System Attendant" <VAL4-SA at HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t
aken.


> Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.
>
> Place = Access Developers discussion and problem solving; ; ; Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sender = Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Subject = Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> Delivery Time = October 24, 2003 (Friday) 17:27:22
> Policy = Inappropriate language
> Action on this mail = Quarantine message
>
> Warning message from administrator:
> Sender, Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail.
>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 19:42:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:42:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It's the only way to get the "new record" at the top of a continuous
form, and it has the advantage of allowing for an "undo" easily.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Very clever. I like it
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reuben Cummings 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


  Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing
is to
  basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound
fields
  on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.

  If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are
not in
  the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).

  The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
  clicks an add button.  You validate the data, write the data to the
table
  and requery the subform.  And if that record needs to be at the top
then
  just set the sort order accordingly.

  Reuben Cummings
  GFC, LLC
  phone: 812.523.1017
  email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
  > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  >
  >
  > Sander
  > I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The
answer to
  > your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
  > command button
  > in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there
put:
  >
  > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  >
  > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user
doesn't have
  > to scroll down.
  >
  > There is another technique which may work but depends on your data
to an
  > extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
  > created field,
  > and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie
newest
  > at the top), then you can do the following:
  >
  > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  > me!DateField=Now()
  > me.requery
  >
  > This will add the new record with the latest date then the
  > requery will sort
  > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
  >
  > --
  > Andy Lacey
  > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > --------- Original Message --------
  > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
  >
  >
  > Hi group,
  >
  > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
  > it is possible to add a record. However I first have
  > to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
  >
  > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
  > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
  >
  > So you see an empty line and below it are all
  > detailrecords.
  >
  > Hope this makes sence.
  >
  > TIA
  >
  > SD
  >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 24 20:38:09 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:38:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273DD@main2.marlow.com>

Well what's happening with it.  Is installing, but then not working?  The
issue may lie in the network settings, not the card.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I downloaded the manual, the latest drivers, everything.  I think I have
installed / uninstalled it so many times that something is totally hosed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I suggest a ball peen hammer.  <grin>  There is a thing called a manual
though...<evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 22:22:43 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:22:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DD@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEACCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

I have been listening to these discussions for a while and in my humble
opinion, in these times, if you do not have a firewall router, you are
simple asking for disaster. It like drinking and driving; eventually you
will get caught or have an accident or both. period.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I've never gotten a virus at home.  My DSL provider does a good job.
It's my office where I'm having problems and no, we don't have a
firewall in spite of my loud protests.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble everyone
faces. I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received
a popup or anything.  In two years I would bet that Norton has caught
maybe 10 virus infected emails total for all 6 machines.

Now maybe I'm spoiled with my DSL provider and the filtering job he
does, but I think you all should start throwing fits with those
providing the services.  For example, my brother gets his DSL directly
from Verizon in Fort Wayne, IN and all he gets done is closing pop ups
(and he refuses to put a router on his PC for some reason).

I realize this doesn't help you all out much, but I had to say something
after reading all this.

BTW, I have never received an infected message from the list (as
indicated by the 10 infected messages in two years)

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing
> > anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why
> > wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing
> > the net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly
> > scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how

> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive

> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined
> > > this list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> > going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 23:03:32 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:03:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <019201c39aac$f50a4810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

How about two subforms - one on the top of the form where you only enter new
records, one on the bottom with all the current records and no additions
allowed.  In the After Update event of the top subform, requery the bottom
subform.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


> It's the only way to get the "new record" at the top of a continuous
> form, and it has the advantage of allowing for an "undo" easily.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
> Very clever. I like it
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Reuben Cummings
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
>   Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing
> is to
>   basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound
> fields
>   on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.
>
>   If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are
> not in
>   the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).
>
>   The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
>   clicks an add button.  You validate the data, write the data to the
> table
>   and requery the subform.  And if that record needs to be at the top
> then
>   just set the sort order accordingly.
>
>   Reuben Cummings
>   GFC, LLC
>   phone: 812.523.1017
>   email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>   > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>   > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
>   > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>   >
>   >
>   > Sander
>   > I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The
> answer to
>   > your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
>   > command button
>   > in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there
> put:
>   >
>   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
>   >
>   > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user
> doesn't have
>   > to scroll down.
>   >
>   > There is another technique which may work but depends on your data
> to an
>   > extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
>   > created field,
>   > and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie
> newest
>   > at the top), then you can do the following:
>   >
>   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
>   > me!DateField=Now()
>   > me.requery
>   >
>   > This will add the new record with the latest date then the
>   > requery will sort
>   > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
>   >
>   > --
>   > Andy Lacey
>   > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > --------- Original Message --------
>   > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>   > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>   > To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>   > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>   > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi group,
>   >
>   > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
>   > it is possible to add a record. However I first have
>   > to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>   >
>   > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
>   > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>   >
>   > So you see an empty line and below it are all
>   > detailrecords.
>   >
>   > Hope this makes sence.
>   >
>   > TIA
>   >
>   > SD
>   >
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Oct 25 02:24:05 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:24:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71C5@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I had an issue with an SMC card that sounds like your issue.
This was however with my PDA an not my notebook.

Apparantly the SMC card was 8-bit bus and 8 bit is no longer supported
in my new PDA.
I searched several days for this because all drivers installed properly
it recognised the card everything seemed to work, but I could not get
any connection.
I too a long search and my new PDA now only suppors 16-bit PC cards....

Maybe you should check on that...

Erwin



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Drew Wutka
Verzonden: zaterdag 25 oktober 2003 3:38
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Well what's happening with it.  Is installing, but then not working?
The issue may lie in the network settings, not the card.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I downloaded the manual, the latest drivers, everything.  I think I have
installed / uninstalled it so many times that something is totally
hosed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I suggest a ball peen hammer.  <grin>  There is a thing called a manual
though...<evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to
install on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be
eternally grateful.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 25 04:34:58 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:34:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7820@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7820@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <764402931.20031025113458@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

Sorry, I missed your point. You are right, of course \\fs1\sys\ is the
highest possible level for a file.

By second thought I think one should distinguish between (1) obtaining
the path from a full filename ("GetPath") and (2) validating this path
("ValidatePath").
Validating is not needed if you somehow know the file exists or, say,
the user has used the GUI to browse to a folder. Thus "GetPath" can be
kept as a very simple function.
"ValidatePath", when needed, can follow two routes: one if the path is
supposed to exist and another if you just wish to validate if your
string could equal to a possible path; this latter is the tough part
checking drive letters, colons in the wrong place, double slashes,
invalid characters etc.

So, to simplify our task, we have decided not to build the path if it
is not found but to let the user browse to the folder; this eliminates
the need for "ValidatePath" and prevents many possible errors. Now we
can go with an "IsDir" which later checks if the path (folder) still
exists when the user actually needs it.

No, I didn't play with InstrR or similar.

/gustav


> Sigh... ;-(

> <pedant mode>

> \\fs1\sys\database\client1\somedb.mdb is a complete file "specification"
> which is composed of the storage device (in this case a file server called
> \\fs1), the *path* to the file and the file name.

> </pedant mode>

> That's what I meant by "Strictly speaking". I didn't write the definitions,
> so please don't shoot the messenger. :-)

> Of course I'm aware that using a fully qualified UNC file spec is accepted
> by Access, I do it all the time myself. I just hate having to deal with
> differently mapped drive letters of different user's systems.

> I too would recommend an absolute file specification be used for most
> purposes. With today's multi-tasking operating systems and multi threaded
> applications the "current" folder can never be guaranteed to stay put.

> InstrR() ???

> Lambert


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Oct 25 08:33:20 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:33:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, October 31
Message-ID: <002e01c39afc$8e5e80e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks like some kind of
scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of the link with
asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link something bad
will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.

I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the address to check
my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?

 Rocky

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Kennedy" <owner-nolist-x at TOP--SITES.NET>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:15 AM
> Subject: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, October 31
>
>
> > Could you please be so kind as to check your floralsoft.com listing, if
> you don't mind, at:
> > http://top--sites.net/*********************************
> >
> > We can only list you if you click the update button by Friday (even if
> your listing is fine).
> >
> > Your updated listing will also appear to the left of Yahoo, MSN, Google,
> Go, AOL, Netscape, Lycos, AltaVista, and Excite searches by AutoSearch
users
> in Internet Explorer's Search window.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Kennedy
> >
> > P.S. Please also review our translations of your website into seven
> languages. And don't miss our reports on your website's popularity and
your
> server's uptime.
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 25 08:46:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:46:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
	October 31
In-Reply-To: <002e01c39afc$8e5e80e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your site with the
search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
October 31


Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks like some kind of
scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of the link with
asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link something bad
will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.

I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the address to check
my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?

 Rocky

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Kennedy" <owner-nolist-x at TOP--SITES.NET>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:15 AM
> Subject: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, October 31
>
>
> > Could you please be so kind as to check your floralsoft.com listing, if
> you don't mind, at:
> > http://top--sites.net/*********************************
> >
> > We can only list you if you click the update button by Friday (even if
> your listing is fine).
> >
> > Your updated listing will also appear to the left of Yahoo, MSN, Google,
> Go, AOL, Netscape, Lycos, AltaVista, and Excite searches by AutoSearch
users
> in Internet Explorer's Search window.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Kennedy
> >
> > P.S. Please also review our translations of your website into seven
> languages. And don't miss our reports on your website's popularity and
your
> server's uptime.
> >
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From bobbedell15 at msn.com  Sat Oct 25 08:33:12 2003
From: bobbedell15 at msn.com (Bob Bedell)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:33:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] TextTransfer
Message-ID: <000001c39afc$89a0d1c0$6256fea9@ELIOT>

Hi folks,
 
I just have a general question about all the available methods for
transferring text using Access. I guess TransferText, the
FileSystemObject, and the basic I/O methods (like Print#), are all valid
options for this sort of thing, plus probably a few others I'm unaware
of. My questions are, is there any reason to prefer one over the other,
or is each best suited for a specific task, and  what are the major
differences, and  what to people most frequently use, etc? I'm just
talking about getting basic delimited text files (or maybe XML files)
into and out of Access. Also, does the Import/Export wizard just create
plain old vanilla schema.ini files for file specifications, and if so is
there anyway to access those files from the file system, to modify them
manually or move them, i.e., where are they stored, etc.?
 
Thanks for any thoughts,
 
Bob

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 25 09:33:45 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:33:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <web-21373056@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <web-21373056@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <15722330068.20031025163345@cactus.dk>

Hi all

If you are bored to death by the discussion on datatypes why not use a
typeless (and completely free public domain) engine!

  http://www.sqlite.org/

  http://www.sqlite.org/datatypes.html

  http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=SqliteWrappers

It handles TB size databases and claims to be faster than MySQL. It
is, however, not well suited for multiuser applications.

/gustav


> Whoa, whoa, wait a second! I didn't mean to imply that
> there are never cases where storing a number as text 
> doesn't make sense, in fact I said exactly that in my 
> message (granted, in just one line, but sheesh!). What you 
> cite are "compelling reasons" to store a number as text. 
> But when there is no compelling reason to store a numeric 
> value as text it should be stored as a number, I believe 
> that and have far fewer problems by following that 
> strategy. 

> Ron


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Oct 25 10:08:15 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:08:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] TextTransfer
In-Reply-To: <000001c39afc$89a0d1c0$6256fea9@ELIOT>
Message-ID: <3F9B1E7F.7676.61C6A3@localhost>

On 25 Oct 2003 at 9:33, Bob Bedell wrote:

> Hi folks,
>  
> I just have a general question about all the available methods for
> transferring text using Access. I guess TransferText, the
> FileSystemObject, and the basic I/O methods (like Print#), are all valid
> options for this sort of thing, plus probably a few others I'm unaware
> of. My questions are, is there any reason to prefer one over the other,
> or is each best suited for a specific task, and  what are the major
> differences, and  what to people most frequently use, etc? I'm just
> talking about getting basic delimited text files (or maybe XML files)
> into and out of Access.

I just use the standard file I/O functions. 

Why? Because I've been using them  for over 20 years and I  see no 
need to change. 

They give me total control over the text files - I can read/write 
data in any form or any amount I want with them. 









 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 25 10:19:54 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:19:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TextTransfer
In-Reply-To: <000001c39afc$89a0d1c0$6256fea9@ELIOT>
References: <000001c39afc$89a0d1c0$6256fea9@ELIOT>
Message-ID: <18025099411.20031025171954@cactus.dk>

Hi Bob

As Stuart recommends, for text files go for basic file I/O.

Here's a link to the site of Seth:

        http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Look for "My downloads", then "File I/O in VB":

  Code snippets demonstrating reading from
  and writing to plain text files.

It is not that difficult and it will save you a lot of trouble.

You can use the same method for writing XML files as well but for
reading anything but extremely simple XML you'll need an XML parser.

/gustav


> I just have a general question about all the available methods for
> transferring text using Access. I guess TransferText, the
> FileSystemObject, and the basic I/O methods (like Print#), are all valid
> options for this sort of thing, plus probably a few others I'm unaware
> of. My questions are, is there any reason to prefer one over the other,
> or is each best suited for a specific task, and  what are the major
> differences, and  what to people most frequently use, etc? I'm just
> talking about getting basic delimited text files (or maybe XML files)
> into and out of Access. Also, does the Import/Export wizard just create
> plain old vanilla schema.ini files for file specifications, and if so is
> there anyway to access those files from the file system, to modify them
> manually or move them, i.e., where are they stored, etc.?
 
> Thanks for any thoughts,
 
> Bob


From bobbedell15 at msn.com  Sat Oct 25 11:17:08 2003
From: bobbedell15 at msn.com (Bob Bedell)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:17:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] TextTransfer
Message-ID: <BAY5-F40vdGg1fDc5DY000142eb@hotmail.com>

Thanks guys. Appreciate the feedback and the link.

Bob


>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] TextTransfer
>Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:19:54 +0200
>
>Hi Bob
>
>As Stuart recommends, for text files go for basic file I/O.
>
>Here's a link to the site of Seth:
>
>         http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/
>
>Look for "My downloads", then "File I/O in VB":
>
>   Code snippets demonstrating reading from
>   and writing to plain text files.
>
>It is not that difficult and it will save you a lot of trouble.
>
>You can use the same method for writing XML files as well but for
>reading anything but extremely simple XML you'll need an XML parser.
>
>/gustav
>
>
> > I just have a general question about all the available methods for
> > transferring text using Access. I guess TransferText, the
> > FileSystemObject, and the basic I/O methods (like Print#), are all valid
> > options for this sort of thing, plus probably a few others I'm unaware
> > of. My questions are, is there any reason to prefer one over the other,
> > or is each best suited for a specific task, and  what are the major
> > differences, and  what to people most frequently use, etc? I'm just
> > talking about getting basic delimited text files (or maybe XML files)
> > into and out of Access. Also, does the Import/Export wizard just create
> > plain old vanilla schema.ini files for file specifications, and if so is
> > there anyway to access those files from the file system, to modify them
> > manually or move them, i.e., where are they stored, etc.?
>
> > Thanks for any thoughts,
>
> > Bob
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 25 11:55:14 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:55:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
 October 31
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F9AAAF2.2020705@shaw.ca>

Microsoft has a similar one for $80. through their BCentral site.
http://www.bcentral.com/products/si/default.asp?LID=33825

John Colby wrote:

>I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your site with the
>search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>Beach Access Software
>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
>October 31
>
>
>Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks like some kind of
>scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of the link with
>asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link something bad
>will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.
>
>I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the address to check
>my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?
>
> Rocky
>
>  
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Kennedy" <owner-nolist-x at TOP--SITES.NET>
>>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:15 AM
>>Subject: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, October 31
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Could you please be so kind as to check your floralsoft.com listing, if
>>>      
>>>
>>you don't mind, at:
>>    
>>
>>>http://top--sites.net/*********************************
>>>
>>>We can only list you if you click the update button by Friday (even if
>>>      
>>>
>>your listing is fine).
>>    
>>
>>>Your updated listing will also appear to the left of Yahoo, MSN, Google,
>>>      
>>>
>>Go, AOL, Netscape, Lycos, AltaVista, and Excite searches by AutoSearch
>>    
>>
>users
>  
>
>>in Internet Explorer's Search window.
>>    
>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>John Kennedy
>>>
>>>P.S. Please also review our translations of your website into seven
>>>      
>>>
>>languages. And don't miss our reports on your website's popularity and
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>server's uptime.
>>    
>>
>>>You can unsubscribe at:
>>>      
>>>
>>http://top--sites.net/**********************************>
>>
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>>
>
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>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Sat Oct 25 13:33:49 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:33:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <15722330068.20031025163345@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000d01c39b26$88dcf370$7001a8c0@COA3>

Ok, here's one more on this ...
I am sure that a number search would be faster than text, but in the
case of the Zip code, or any other value where there might be a leading
zero, a truly fair comparison would have to include the logic and
padding to put back the missing "0"s
  if stored as a number, thus diminishing the difference.  Or, you would
have to check/pad it at every mention in your front-end, not something I
would want to have to deal with.
So, again, I vote for ZipCode=text.  (My personal criteria is on
calculation - if the value will NEVER be used in a calculation, like zip
or SSN, I make it text.)

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Hi all

If you are bored to death by the discussion on datatypes why not use a
typeless (and completely free public domain) engine!

  http://www.sqlite.org/

  http://www.sqlite.org/datatypes.html

  http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=SqliteWrappers

It handles TB size databases and claims to be faster than MySQL. It is,
however, not well suited for multiuser applications.

/gustav


> Whoa, whoa, wait a second! I didn't mean to imply that
> there are never cases where storing a number as text
> doesn't make sense, in fact I said exactly that in my 
> message (granted, in just one line, but sheesh!). What you 
> cite are "compelling reasons" to store a number as text. 
> But when there is no compelling reason to store a numeric 
> value as text it should be stored as a number, I believe 
> that and have far fewer problems by following that 
> strategy. 

> Ron

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From pedro at plex.nl  Sun Oct 26 05:02:43 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:02:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
Message-ID: <000701c39bb0$d2353e80$f2c581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,

is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round this,
or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 08:56:42 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:56:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
In-Reply-To: <000701c39bb0$d2353e80$f2c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages with a
tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run out of
screen long before you ran out of control "slots".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


Hello Group,

is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round this,
or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 09:30:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?

My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 database.
Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.

If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference on
the client's machine which has only A97.

The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
others have AXP only?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Sun Oct 26 09:48:07 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:48:07 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c39bd8$8d7c4a40$b3ca11d2@bitswshome>

I might be wrong, but I don't think A97 came with ADO of any persuasion.

Stuart


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:30 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


> Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
> only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?
>
> My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97
database.
> Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
> uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
> libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>
> If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference
on
> the client's machine which has only A97.
>
> The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
> Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
> referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
> others have AXP only?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Oct 26 09:49:09 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:49:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE
Message-ID: <000001c39bd8$b205c670$de1811d8@DanWaters>

I've been wondering . . .

In a configuration where the system is split FE and BE, and the FE also has
local tables that are used for temporarily holding data, how are the local
tables compacted?  Particularly in Access XP when it's set to auto-compact?

I know that the BE is compacted when the last person exits.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 09:51:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:51:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, now that I have dimmed a connection object, who do I find an object that
has a connection to set this equal to?  In A2K I just use:

set gcnn = currentproject.connection.

However in A97 AFAICT currentproject doesn't exist.  Am I going to have to
edit the connection information manually?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 10:03:22 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:03:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <000701c39bb0$d2353e80$f2c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <002901c39bda$ae63fcb0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only 20
controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over its
lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
> error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 10:07:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:07:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
In-Reply-To: <002901c39bda$ae63fcb0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over the
lifetime of a form

Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean that up
eh?

Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only 20
controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over its
lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
> error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Oct 26 10:14:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:14:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>

ADO is separate form Access.  Use whatever one you want.  I think up to 2.6
can be setup using MDAC.  After that, I think it's the Jet service pack that
installs the later ones.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?

My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 database.
Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.

If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference on
the client's machine which has only A97.

The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
others have AXP only?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 10:21:06 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:21:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c39bdd$2887c510$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/offhelp/offxp/access/acmain10/html/acdecLookUpMicrosoftAccessSpecificationsS.htm

...watch for the wrap :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


> >Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
the
> lifetime of a form
>
> Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean that
up
> eh?
>
> Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> Pedro
>
> ...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
> ...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
> the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only 20
> controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over its
> lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
an
> > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
> this,
> > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Oct 26 10:35:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:35:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E5@main2.marlow.com>

Access 97 doesn't use ADO natively, so you have to create a new connection
object for the db.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:52 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection


OK, now that I have dimmed a connection object, who do I find an object that
has a connection to set this equal to?  In A2K I just use:

set gcnn = currentproject.connection.

However in A97 AFAICT currentproject doesn't exist.  Am I going to have to
edit the connection information manually?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 10:39:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:39:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
In-Reply-To: <003c01c39bdd$2887c510$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFJFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Boy is that a handy dandy reference.  Thanks!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/offhelp/offxp/access/acmain10/html/ac
decLookUpMicrosoftAccessSpecificationsS.htm

...watch for the wrap :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


> >Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
the
> lifetime of a form
>
> Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean that
up
> eh?
>
> Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> Pedro
>
> ...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
> ...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
> the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only 20
> controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over its
> lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
an
> > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
> this,
> > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 10:57:29 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:57:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c39be2$3e0eb010$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...first ...you've just landed in DLL Hell ...congratulations ...there are
30+ page articles on MSDN on this subject which I've never been able to
figure out because I apparently don't read greek or geek very well ...one of
many reasons I've passed on ADO for the most part :(

...the latest Jet SPs appear to install the current ADO library and reset
any references on my system, and if MS actually succeeded in maintaining
backwards compatibility, it all plays nicely ...so far, so good ...your
mileage may vary but you might want to give it a try since I no longer have
A97 installed ...of, course, I constantly await the next SP to fix what the
last one broke :(

...two ..."preinstalled" AXP can be a PITA ...Dell for instance, only
installs the basics ...you can almost certainly count on having to
reconfigure each individual system as well as do the "registration" ...and
of course, a full Access install gives users all kinds of opportunities to
screw with your db even if you use an mde.

...I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed
from the server ...only one client system with the ODE edition with very
limited access to it ...the cost savings on Office Standard vs Office Pro
more than cover the ODE purchase spread over several systems ...and I ...as
well as the client ...have far fewer problems over the life of the database
caused by users ...he saves money and headaches, I get more time in my
hammock :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


> Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
> only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?
>
> My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97
database.
> Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
> uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
> libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>
> If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference
on
> the client's machine which has only A97.
>
> The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
> Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
> referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
> others have AXP only?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 11:08:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:08:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
In-Reply-To: <004f01c39be2$3e0eb010$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed from
the server

Yep, when I get rich and famous, I too am going to buy a hammock, and also
the tools to package runtimes.  In the meantime...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


...first ...you've just landed in DLL Hell ...congratulations ...there are
30+ page articles on MSDN on this subject which I've never been able to
figure out because I apparently don't read greek or geek very well ...one of
many reasons I've passed on ADO for the most part :(

...the latest Jet SPs appear to install the current ADO library and reset
any references on my system, and if MS actually succeeded in maintaining
backwards compatibility, it all plays nicely ...so far, so good ...your
mileage may vary but you might want to give it a try since I no longer have
A97 installed ...of, course, I constantly await the next SP to fix what the
last one broke :(

...two ..."preinstalled" AXP can be a PITA ...Dell for instance, only
installs the basics ...you can almost certainly count on having to
reconfigure each individual system as well as do the "registration" ...and
of course, a full Access install gives users all kinds of opportunities to
screw with your db even if you use an mde.

...I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed
from the server ...only one client system with the ODE edition with very
limited access to it ...the cost savings on Office Standard vs Office Pro
more than cover the ODE purchase spread over several systems ...and I ...as
well as the client ...have far fewer problems over the life of the database
caused by users ...he saves money and headaches, I get more time in my
hammock :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


> Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
> only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?
>
> My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97
database.
> Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
> uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
> libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>
> If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference
on
> the client's machine which has only A97.
>
> The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
> Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
> referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
> others have AXP only?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 11:26:03 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:26:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c39be6$3b6a4730$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...no, no, no JC ...you sell the "client" on buying the ODE for one system
rather than Access for all systems ...lower TCO and much less headaches
...install the ODE on one of his systems that you will have easy access to
when on site ...THEN use the ODE to create the runtime packages to load from
his server ...THEN, because the ODE comes with a dual install clause, you
install it on one of YOUR systems with no MS hassle in registration ...have
not bought an ODE since '97 ...but have a legal one on every system in my
home and laptop ...and no "power user" problems :)

...I'm trying to MAKE you rich JC, so you can afford more kids ...pay
attention!!!!! ...coding is far, far less than half of being a successful
independent :))))

...have not tried selling an MSDN subscription to a client yet but I have
one interested in moving to the W2003 Server soon and I'm going to pitch it
really hard :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


> >I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed
from
> the server
>
> Yep, when I get rich and famous, I too am going to buy a hammock, and also
> the tools to package runtimes.  In the meantime...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
>
>
> ...first ...you've just landed in DLL Hell ...congratulations ...there are
> 30+ page articles on MSDN on this subject which I've never been able to
> figure out because I apparently don't read greek or geek very well ...one
of
> many reasons I've passed on ADO for the most part :(
>
> ...the latest Jet SPs appear to install the current ADO library and reset
> any references on my system, and if MS actually succeeded in maintaining
> backwards compatibility, it all plays nicely ...so far, so good ...your
> mileage may vary but you might want to give it a try since I no longer
have
> A97 installed ...of, course, I constantly await the next SP to fix what
the
> last one broke :(
>
> ...two ..."preinstalled" AXP can be a PITA ...Dell for instance, only
> installs the basics ...you can almost certainly count on having to
> reconfigure each individual system as well as do the "registration" ...and
> of course, a full Access install gives users all kinds of opportunities to
> screw with your db even if you use an mde.
>
> ...I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed
> from the server ...only one client system with the ODE edition with very
> limited access to it ...the cost savings on Office Standard vs Office Pro
> more than cover the ODE purchase spread over several systems ...and I
...as
> well as the client ...have far fewer problems over the life of the
database
> caused by users ...he saves money and headaches, I get more time in my
> hammock :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:30 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
>
>
> > Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines
having
> > only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002
(XP)?
> >
> > My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97
> database.
> > Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
> > uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
> > libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
> >
> > If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing
reference
> on
> > the client's machine which has only A97.
> >
> > The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
> > Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
> > referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
> > others have AXP only?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jonsulli at swbell.net  Sun Oct 26 12:09:14 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:09:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3F9C0DCA.2090401@swbell.net>

Microsoft Knowledge Base has an article and demo that I found almost 
useful a while back. If you haven't already checked it out, here's the url:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q185033

Hope this helps,

John Sullivan

Drew Wutka wrote:

>ADO is separate form Access.  Use whatever one you want.  I think up to 2.6
>can be setup using MDAC.  After that, I think it's the Jet service pack that
>installs the later ones.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:31 AM
>To: AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
>
>
>Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
>only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?
>
>My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 database.
>Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
>uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
>libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>
>If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference on
>the client's machine which has only A97.
>
>The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
>Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
>referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
>others have AXP only?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 12:29:27 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:29:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>
	<3F9C0DCA.2090401@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <002701c39bef$16741060$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...JET SP 8 is out and the damn AXP file bloat problem is STILL with us!!!!!
...will someone with links to the MS Access development team please scream
...note I said scream, not yell, yelling apparently doesn't work ...at them
for me ...pretty please! ...thank you, I feel better already :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?



From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Oct 26 13:04:10 2003
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] How to refresh a graphic
Message-ID: <008301c39bf3$f2d3a260$0100a8c0@kost36>

HI group,
 into a main form (MAIN_FORM) I use a subform (RT_AM_SUB) and a graphic (graphic12).
What I want to do is to recalc or to refresh the graphic 
on afterupdate from one subform's field

Thank's
Kostas Konstantinidis

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Oct 26 13:22:50 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to refresh a graphic
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273EC@main2.marlow.com>

Repaint.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kostas Konstantinidis [mailto:kost36 at otenet.gr]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:04 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to refresh a graphic


HI group,
 into a main form (MAIN_FORM) I use a subform (RT_AM_SUB) and a graphic
(graphic12).
What I want to do is to recalc or to refresh the graphic 
on afterupdate from one subform's field

Thank's
Kostas Konstantinidis
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From pedro at plex.nl  Sun Oct 26 14:08:57 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:08:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000001c39bfd$2e47bb70$f6c581d5@pedro>

I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
smaller.
But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and see if
i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in the
past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.


Thanks for all the response

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages with a
> tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run out
of
> screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
> error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 14:53:32 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:53:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000001c39bfd$2e47bb70$f6c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <000b01c39c03$37baa680$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...four HUNDRED controls!!!!!!
...jumpin' jehozephat!!! ...what in the world could possibly require 400
controls?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


> I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
> But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
> smaller.
> But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and see
if
> i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in the
> past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
> but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.
>
>
> Thanks for all the response
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages with
a
> > tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run out
> of
> > screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
> >
> >
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
an
> > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
> this,
> > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 13:56:58 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:56:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
References: 	<2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com><3F9C0DCA.2090401@swbell.net>
	<002701c39bef$16741060$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <008001c39c06$942d4f00$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Bloat's never going to get fixed.

Susan H.


> ...JET SP 8 is out and the damn AXP file bloat problem is STILL with
us!!!!!
> ...will someone with links to the MS Access development team please scream
> ...note I said scream, not yell, yelling apparently doesn't work ...at
them
> for me ...pretty please! ...thank you, I feel better already :(



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 15:37:34 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:37:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
In-Reply-To: <008001c39c06$942d4f00$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEGBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

It pretty effectively causes us to use A2K containers.  You suppose they
broke the container AXP itself and don't know how to fix it?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted


Bloat's never going to get fixed.

Susan H.


> ...JET SP 8 is out and the damn AXP file bloat problem is STILL with
us!!!!!
> ...will someone with links to the MS Access development team please scream
> ...note I said scream, not yell, yelling apparently doesn't work ...at
them
> for me ...pretty please! ...thank you, I feel better already :(


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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 15:50:32 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:50:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEGBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c39c0b$2dbf2220$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"broke the container AXP itself and don't know how to fix it?" JC

...we're talking MS here ...if they really wanted to fix it, they could ...I
simply don't understand ...8 SPs since Jet4 gave us the problem and still no
fix to the biggest bug in the whole damn package ...incredible!!!!

...actually ...disgusting is more like it ...anyone know if A2003 still has
the file format bloat bug?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted


> It pretty effectively causes us to use A2K containers.  You suppose they
> broke the container AXP itself and don't know how to fix it?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
>
>
> Bloat's never going to get fixed.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > ...JET SP 8 is out and the damn AXP file bloat problem is STILL with
> us!!!!!
> > ...will someone with links to the MS Access development team please
scream
> > ...note I said scream, not yell, yelling apparently doesn't work ...at
> them
> > for me ...pretty please! ...thank you, I feel better already :(
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 26 16:19:04 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:19:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>
 <3F9C0DCA.2090401@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3F9C4858.6070406@shaw.ca>

ADO is installed partially by the MDAC. The level no of the MDAC is 
determined by the OS intially ie. WIN XP installs MDAC 2.7 , Win98 SE 
installs MDAC 2.1 and had a copy of DAO 3.5
You can also install your own MDAC seperately. MDAC 2.5 is the last MDAC 
to contain installable Jet 4.0. Better put a copy in your sock drawer.
MDAC 2.0 was last MDAC to contain installable Jet 3.5, (DAO 3.5). Unless 
you have a copy in your sock drawer MDAC 2.0  is not obtainable directly 
from MS. MDAC 2.1 through 2.5 updated it. You could install through VB 5 
or 6 or Access 97 or OS Win 98 SE  or Win 95.
If your Jet SP is at least level 3.0 , you can go ahead and install Jet 
SP8.0. It contains all the intervening SP fixes.
So your ADO level is partly determined by what OS you are aiming at. 
Since AccessXP wont run on Win95, I guess you are aiming at Win98 and 
up. If you are still using DAO 3.5, MDAC 2.5 SP3
will do you giving you ADO 2.5 as a base. If your client sites are 
Win2000 and Win XP hopefully they are all MDAC 2.7 or ADO 2.7 then you 
could just use ado2.7 and upgrade jet to SP8.
but then you may  lose your Access97 DAO 3.5 functionality without a 
runtime install.
This is why you buy sagekey scripts.
or work your way through here to find what level is installed by what 
software.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1
either searching by product name or dll.

John Sullivan wrote:

> Microsoft Knowledge Base has an article and demo that I found almost 
> useful a while back. If you haven't already checked it out, here's the 
> url:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q185033
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> John Sullivan
>
> Drew Wutka wrote:
>
>> ADO is separate form Access.  Use whatever one you want.  I think up 
>> to 2.6
>> can be setup using MDAC.  After that, I think it's the Jet service 
>> pack that
>> installs the later ones.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:31 AM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines 
>> having
>> only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 
>> (XP)?
>>
>> My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 
>> database.
>> Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
>> uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
>> libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>>
>> If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing 
>> reference on
>> the client's machine which has only A97.
>>
>> The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
>> Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
>> referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
>> others have AXP only?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>  
>>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Oct 26 16:41:45 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:41:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADMINISTRIVIA - PLEASE READ
Message-ID: <3F9C0759.8128.5C0DC@localhost>

There has been code posted to the list recently that is copyrighted 
and was not allowed to be distributed via the list.

Please do not post code to the list that you do not have the right to 
post.

If you have a code snippet that is from a web site please do not post 
it, direct the person to the web site where they can get it 
themselves.

If the code is from a book, direct the person to the book, and page 
number if possible.

We want to avoid any potential legal issues, so that we will remain 
here to help everyone for a long time to come.

Thank You.

--
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Your Listmaster and a Moderator


From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 26 16:44:22 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:44:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using Library Form
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEMHFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi all,
I have a form that is bound to a table which is common in all of my apps.
The table holds information about the application(title, version, etc,). I
thought this would be a perfect example of a form to put in my common code
library, call it from there to display the application specific app.
information for each calling app.

I put the table in my common library DB and loaded the library's info.
I changed all the references from currentDB to CodeDB.
I put a function in my code library that opens the form when called from any
app.

Problem:
The form always displays the library information.

What I am missing here?

John



From pedro at plex.nl  Sun Oct 26 17:10:24 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:10:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000001c39bfd$2e47bb70$f6c581d5@pedro>
	<000b01c39c03$37baa680$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <002a01c39c16$7808c4c0$f6c581d5@pedro>

A form where you can select 10 different options.
Each option has 30 controls, which i all need for filling fields in word
with mailmerge.
Add a few other controls to it and you have four hundred controls.

Pedro Janssen



----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


> ...four HUNDRED controls!!!!!!
> ...jumpin' jehozephat!!! ...what in the world could possibly require 400
> controls?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
> > But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
> > smaller.
> > But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and see
> if
> > i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in
the
> > past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
> > but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all the response
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
> >
> >
> > > Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages
with
> a
> > > tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run
out
> > of
> > > screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro
Janssen
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
> an
> > > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
> > this,
> > > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > Cytologist
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 17:38:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:38:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000001c39bfd$2e47bb70$f6c581d5@pedro><000b01c39c03$37baa680$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<002a01c39c16$7808c4c0$f6c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <008401c39c1a$4ef5cc00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...tab control time ...use subforms on the tab control ...the tabcontrol
counts against the main form  ...controls on the subforms count against
them, not the main form :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


> A form where you can select 10 different options.
> Each option has 30 controls, which i all need for filling fields in word
> with mailmerge.
> Add a few other controls to it and you have four hundred controls.
>
> Pedro Janssen
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > ...four HUNDRED controls!!!!!!
> > ...jumpin' jehozephat!!! ...what in the world could possibly require 400
> > controls?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
> >
> >
> > > I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
> > > But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
> > > smaller.
> > > But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and
see
> > if
> > > i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in
> the
> > > past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
> > > but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the response
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > Cytologist
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
> > >
> > >
> > > > Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages
> with
> > a
> > > > tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run
> out
> > > of
> > > > screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro
> Janssen
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Group,
> > > >
> > > > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i
get
> > an
> > > > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go
round
> > > this,
> > > > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> > > >
> > > > Pedro Janssen
> > > > Cytologist
> > > >
> > > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 26 17:36:41 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:36:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEAOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I am not sure which if any ADO file came with A97. I had to set each station
in the network initially to have ADO. I designed a routine in the
application(s) that dispersed the ADO (Msadoxx.dll) file to local directory
"C:\Program Files\Common Files\SYSTEM\ADO\" if it was not found or was not
the appropriate version.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?

My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 database.
Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.

If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference on
the client's machine which has only A97.

The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
others have AXP only?

John W. Colby
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 26 20:18:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:18:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEAPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I not sure whether this is answering your question but here goes anyway.

A place to start...

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to a SQL server
gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB; _
		   Initial Catalog=MyDatabaseName; _
		   Data Source=MyServer; _
		   Integrated Security=SSPI" 'Use the M$ security

' or a MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "Myquery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, sInvoiceCode)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or with SQL or Oracle servers use command section

With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyStoredProcedure"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("@InvoiceNumber", adInteger,
adParamInput, , lngInvoiceNumber)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .Open objCmd, , adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic	'This is where the
connection types and locks can also be set.
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

The previous is a little over-kill but I would not want one small point to
be missed and hold up production. If there are any errors in the previous my
memory and typing skills are no perfect. Note the three types of ADO sets,
recordset, connection and command set.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:52 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection


OK, now that I have dimmed a connection object, who do I find an object that
has a connection to set this equal to?  In A2K I just use:

set gcnn = currentproject.connection.

However in A97 AFAICT currentproject doesn't exist.  Am I going to have to
edit the connection information manually?

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 21:23:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:23:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEAPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGMFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

Thanks for this.  I was afraid I was going to have do things this way.  At
least now I have some examples.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 connection


Hi John:

I not sure whether this is answering your question but here goes anyway.

A place to start...

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to a SQL server
gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB; _
		   Initial Catalog=MyDatabaseName; _
		   Data Source=MyServer; _
		   Integrated Security=SSPI" 'Use the M$ security

' or a MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "Myquery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, sInvoiceCode)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or with SQL or Oracle servers use command section

With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyStoredProcedure"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("@InvoiceNumber", adInteger,
adParamInput, , lngInvoiceNumber)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .Open objCmd, , adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic	'This is where the
connection types and locks can also be set.
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

The previous is a little over-kill but I would not want one small point to
be missed and hold up production. If there are any errors in the previous my
memory and typing skills are no perfect. Note the three types of ADO sets,
recordset, connection and command set.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:52 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection


OK, now that I have dimmed a connection object, who do I find an object that
has a connection to set this equal to?  In A2K I just use:

set gcnn = currentproject.connection.

However in A97 AFAICT currentproject doesn't exist.  Am I going to have to
edit the connection information manually?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Mon Oct 27 03:38:20 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:38:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, 
	October 31
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE6A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Absolutely!

I got an identical message referring to one of my web sites. They wanted $5
per month to include my site in their listings. B&%??$r that!

You do need to click on the "remove me" link to get your site unlisted.

Chris F - UK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
> Friday, October 31
> 
> 
> I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your 
> site with the
> search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
> October 31
> 
> 
> Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks 
> like some kind of
> scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of 
> the link with
> asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link 
> something bad
> will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.
> 
> I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the 
> address to check
> my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?
> 
>  Rocky
> 

From KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org  Mon Oct 27 06:26:07 2003
From: KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org (KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:26:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
Message-ID: <OF5296970A.2601B157-ON05256DCC.0044348D@parkcenter.org>

Did you try placing some of the controls on subforms?    We had similar 
issues with a behavioral healthcare assessment tool that must follow a 
standard data entry flow.   It had well in excess of the limit and we 
found that placing controls on subforms circumvented the issue nicely.






"Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
10/26/2003 06:10 PM
Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving 

 
        To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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        cc: 
        Subject:        Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


A form where you can select 10 different options.
Each option has 30 controls, which i all need for filling fields in word
with mailmerge.
Add a few other controls to it and you have four hundred controls.

Pedro Janssen



----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


> ...four HUNDRED controls!!!!!!
> ...jumpin' jehozephat!!! ...what in the world could possibly require 400
> controls?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
> > But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
> > smaller.
> > But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and 
see
> if
> > i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in
the
> > past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
> > but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all the response
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
> >
> >
> > > Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages
with
> a
> > > tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run
out
> > of
> > > screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro
Janssen
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i 
get
> an
> > > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go 
round
> > this,
> > > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > Cytologist
> > >
> > >
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 06:29:47 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:29:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <019201c39aac$f50a4810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20031027122947.43050.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>

thnx everybody. A lot of answers with different
solutions to the problem. Two subforms will work but I
I'll go for the idea of Reuben, very nifty :-)

Regards,

Sander
--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> How about two subforms - one on the top of the form
> where you only enter new
> records, one on the bottom with all the current
> records and no additions
> allowed.  In the After Update event of the top
> subform, requery the bottom
> subform.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
> 
> 
> > It's the only way to get the "new record" at the
> top of a continuous
> > form, and it has the advantage of allowing for an
> "undo" easily.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kath Pelletti
> [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:22 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
> first?
> >
> >
> > Very clever. I like it
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Reuben Cummings
> >   To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> >   Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
> >   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
> first?
> >
> >
> >   Something I have done on several occasions to
> handle this very thing
> > is to
> >   basically ignore the subform as the solution,
> but rather put unbound
> > fields
> >   on the main form directly above the fields of
> the subform.
> >
> >   If you do not have the subform sunken you can't
> hardly tell they are
> > not in
> >   the subform (I usually leave mine sunken
> though).
> >
> >   The user inputs the new data into the unbound
> fields of the main form,
> >   clicks an add button.  You validate the data,
> write the data to the
> > table
> >   and requery the subform.  And if that record
> needs to be at the top
> > then
> >   just set the sort order accordingly.
> >
> >   Reuben Cummings
> >   GFC, LLC
> >   phone: 812.523.1017
> >   email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
> >
> >   > -----Original Message-----
> >   > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >   >
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> >   > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
> >   > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> >   > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
> first?
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Sander
> >   > I know what you mean. My users often don't
> like this either. The
> > answer to
> >   > your question is no (I think) but a workaround
> is to place a
> >   > command button
> >   > in the header called "Add New Record" or
> whatever and behind there
> > put:
> >   >
> >   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
> >   >
> >   > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at
> least the user
> > doesn't have
> >   > to scroll down.
> >   >
> >   > There is another technique which may work but
> depends on your data
> > to an
> >   > extent. If, say, the data your subform is
> bound to has a date
> >   > created field,
> >   > and if your user is happy to see the data in
> desc order of date (ie
> > newest
> >   > at the top), then you can do the following:
> >   >
> >   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
> >   > me!DateField=Now()
> >   > me.requery
> >   >
> >   > This will add the new record with the latest
> date then the
> >   > requery will sort
> >   > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can
> sometimes be effective.
> >   >
> >   > --
> >   > Andy Lacey
> >   > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > --------- Original Message --------
> >   > From: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem solving"
> >   > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >   > To: "Acces User Group"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >   > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
> first?
> >   > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Hi group,
> >   >
> >   > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the
> records
> >   > it is possible to add a record. However I
> first have
> >   > to tab through all records (or use the
> scrollbar).
> >   >
> >   > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert
> a new
> >   > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
> >   >
> >   > So you see an empty line and below it are all
> >   > detailrecords.
> >   >
> >   > Hope this makes sence.
> >   >
> >   > TIA
> >   >
> >   > SD
> >   >
> >   > __________________________________
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 07:15:24 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:15:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Use global variable in a query?
Message-ID: <20031027131524.3504.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I need to build a lot of detail forms. Their nothing
more then a select * from table. Off course with the
exception of 2 where statements.

The query needs 2 parameters I use throughout the
program.

Question: Is it possible to use a global variable in
query? I do NOT mean an sql-statement but a query
created and saved in the database itself (HTMS)

If not...any ideas? I mean I need to build a LOT of
detail forms!

Regards,

Sander

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon Oct 27 07:32:26 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:32:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A9@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

What OS are you using?  I tried to install a LinkSys USB external adapter on my son's XP box and even a call to LinkSys support couldn't get it configured.  I went with an internal DLink adapter and it worked out of the box (this after spending hours with LinkSys).  I run a wireless DLink PC card on my Win2K laptop too and had easy setup.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 07:33:23 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:33:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Use global variable in a query? <SOLVED>
In-Reply-To: <20031027131524.3504.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031027133323.77124.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>

Sometimes Access amazes me....
docmd.openform <formname>,,,<WHERE CONDITION!!>

I created a form with a table as a recordsource.
lalalala and added the where clause to the openform
method! 

Workes like a charm.

SD
--- Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> I need to build a lot of detail forms. Their nothing
> more then a select * from table. Off course with the
> exception of 2 where statements.
> 
> The query needs 2 parameters I use throughout the
> program.
> 
> Question: Is it possible to use a global variable in
> query? I do NOT mean an sql-statement but a query
> created and saved in the database itself (HTMS)
> 
> If not...any ideas? I mean I need to build a LOT of
> detail forms!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sander
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 06:37:04 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:37:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use global variable in a query?
Message-ID: <20031027133700.B9A46143F26@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Sander
Watch out for the downsides of using Global variables (that's another debate
that the archives are full of) but yes you can. What you need to do is
create a public function which simply returns the value of the variable, and
then use the function in the query.
--
Andy Lacey
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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Use global variable in a query?
Date: 27/10/03 21:16


Hi group,

I need to build a lot of detail forms. Their nothing
more then a select * from table. Off course with the
exception of 2 where statements.

The query needs 2 parameters I use throughout the
program.

Question: Is it possible to use a global variable in
query? I do NOT mean an sql-statement but a query
created and saved in the database itself (HTMS)

If not...any ideas? I mean I need to build a LOT of
detail forms!

Regards,

Sander

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 07:54:30 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:54:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A9@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <20031027135430.20759.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

As someone who does networks for a living, I too would
go with a D-Link over a Linksys wireless card.

The Linksys NIC cards and Cablemodem "routers" are
nice, but D-Link makes better wireless NICs and
wireless "routers".

This may change in the near future since Linksys is
now, for the last 6 months or so, owned by Cisco
Systems.  We may begin to see an improvement fir at
least the "routers".  I'm not sure if Cisco bought the
entire company or just the router/switch division.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> What OS are you using?  I tried to install a LinkSys
> USB external adapter on my son's XP box and even a
> call to LinkSys support couldn't get it configured. 
> I went with an internal DLink adapter and it worked
> out of the box (this after spending hours with
> LinkSys).  I run a wireless DLink PC card on my
> Win2K laptop too and had easy setup.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> Director Product Development
> Hudson Health Plan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc
> card for laptop
> 
> 
> Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but
> can't get it to install
> on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this
> running I'd be eternally
> grateful.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From askolits at ot.com  Mon Oct 27 09:45:19 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:45:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADMINISTRIVIA - PLEASE READ
In-Reply-To: <3F9C0759.8128.5C0DC@localhost>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCENLDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

Bryan,

Can you tell us which code was posted? I'm worried that maybe it was some
code I posted.

John Skolits




From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Oct 27 10:19:54 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:19:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
	October 31
In-Reply-To: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE6A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECGDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

I thought floralsoft was one of the list members Access driven website?
Wasn't Steve @ ironcube?

I remember someone giving us that url some time back.

D

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Foote, Chris
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
Friday, October 31


Absolutely!

I got an identical message referring to one of my web sites. They wanted $5
per month to include my site in their listings. B&%??$r that!

You do need to click on the "remove me" link to get your site unlisted.

Chris F - UK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
> Friday, October 31
>
>
> I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your
> site with the
> search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
> October 31
>
>
> Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks
> like some kind of
> scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of
> the link with
> asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link
> something bad
> will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.
>
> I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the
> address to check
> my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?
>
>  Rocky
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 27 10:22:40 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:22:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
	Friday,October 31
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECGDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, floralsoft is Rocky's stuff.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
(Home)
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
Friday,October 31


I thought floralsoft was one of the list members Access driven website?
Wasn't Steve @ ironcube?

I remember someone giving us that url some time back.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Foote, Chris
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
Friday, October 31


Absolutely!

I got an identical message referring to one of my web sites. They wanted $5
per month to include my site in their listings. B&%??$r that!

You do need to click on the "remove me" link to get your site unlisted.

Chris F - UK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
> Friday, October 31
>
>
> I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your
> site with the
> search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
> October 31
>
>
> Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks
> like some kind of
> scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of
> the link with
> asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link
> something bad
> will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.
>
> I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the
> address to check
> my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?
>
>  Rocky
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 27 10:40:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:40:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
	October 31
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECGDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
References: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECGDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <7431524599.20031027174055@cactus.dk>

Hi David

> I thought floralsoft was one of the list members Access driven website?
> Wasn't Steve @ ironcube?

Are you thinking of Steven Robinette?

That was

  http://www.ironcube.com

Is he still with the list?
I remember he wrote he was very ill. But that's long time ago.

/gustav


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 10:41:24 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:41:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <20031027164124.42161.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your bloomers....hehehe

I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
like this...

I have a back-end database table that is my master
table of records.  I want my people to click a button
called "Get Information" that will read the first
available record into a "make table query" to create a
temporary local front-end table and delete it from the
master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
out a book from the library.  Once this record is
pulled from the master table in the back-end, it will
never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
into other back-end tables, depending on the
disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...

Get Information pulls "next available record" from
tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.

Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
to a different back-end table and the local table,
tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the Get
Information, this process starts all over again.

I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
ideas?  Thank you.

From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct 27 11:06:03 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:06:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD784A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut Status" field to the original
back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out" field. Doing it this way
means you never need to move the data from table to table, instead just
change the values in those two fields. In addition, there's no danger of
data getting lost when and if the user's front end copy gets trashed /
corrupted.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Frank Tanner III [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> To:	Database Advisors
> Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
> 
> Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your bloomers....hehehe
> 
> I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> like this...
> 
> I have a back-end database table that is my master
> table of records.  I want my people to click a button
> called "Get Information" that will read the first
> available record into a "make table query" to create a
> temporary local front-end table and delete it from the
> master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> pulled from the master table in the back-end, it will
> never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> into other back-end tables, depending on the
> disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> 
> Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> 
> Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> to a different back-end table and the local table,
> tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
> Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the Get
> Information, this process starts all over again.
> 
> I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> ideas?  Thank you.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 27 11:07:50 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:07:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273EF@main2.marlow.com>

Just curious why you would want to physically 'move' the data, instead of
just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.  You could have a byte
field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other numbers could represent
where the data 'ends up' as you put it.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your bloomers....hehehe

I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
like this...

I have a back-end database table that is my master
table of records.  I want my people to click a button
called "Get Information" that will read the first
available record into a "make table query" to create a
temporary local front-end table and delete it from the
master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
out a book from the library.  Once this record is
pulled from the master table in the back-end, it will
never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
into other back-end tables, depending on the
disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...

Get Information pulls "next available record" from
tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.

Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
to a different back-end table and the local table,
tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the Get
Information, this process starts all over again.

I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
ideas?  Thank you.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 11:09:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:09:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E7@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

John,

Do you honestly mean you've never run up against that limitation?  It's
been built into Access forever.  Try laying out a report complete with
lines and graphics and you can run into it very quickly, since it
applies to reports as well.   Compact has no effect on it.  The only
cure is to create a new form and paste the controls onto it.  The
limitation still exists, but you don't have all those deleted items
messing you up.  It includes *every* control, including the bound
labels, lines, boxes, buttons, pagebreaks, etc.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


>Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over

>the
lifetime of a form

Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean
that up eh?

Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added
over the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only
20 controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over
its lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get

> an error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go 
> round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 11:11:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:11:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

If the FE is local and autocompact is set on, the front end gets
compacted when you close the database.  If the front end is shared, it
gets compacted when the last person leaves it, same as the back end.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE


I've been wondering . . .

In a configuration where the system is split FE and BE, and the FE also
has local tables that are used for temporarily holding data, how are the
local tables compacted?  Particularly in Access XP when it's set to
auto-compact?

I know that the BE is compacted when the last person exits.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Mon Oct 27 11:10:39 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:40:39 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
References: <20031027122947.43050.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c39cad$801e71e0$c9edf73d@winxp>

Sander,

    You may like to have a look at the sample database file named AddDataAtTop.zip (demonstrating three  styles of data entry at the top of a subform) just prepared by me. 

    It is available at Rogers Access Library (Other Developer's Section) and can be accessed at the following link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

    The db is in Access 2000 file format, developed on Access XP installation. Some of the salient features are outlined in the note given below.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
Description (AddDataAtTop.zip) -
      This database demonstrates three styles of data entry at top of a subform -
    (a) Continuous Form Display (Using Command Button) - 
        Data is entered via unbound text boxes in subform header, using command button on the parent form. Freshly added Record is highlighted in green, while other recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
    (b) Datasheet Display (Using Command Button) - 
        On clicking the command button on parent form, fresh blank record (highlighted in green) is presented at the top of subform for enabling data entry. Recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
    (c) Datasheet Display (Auto - No command button) -
        On opening the main form, user is presented with fresh blank record (highlighted in green) at the top of subform. As soon as data entry commences in this record, its back color changes to yellow, while another fresh blank record (in green) is offered at top. All other recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
---------------------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sad Der 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 17:59
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


  thnx everybody. A lot of answers with different
  solutions to the problem. Two subforms will work but I
  I'll go for the idea of Reuben, very nifty :-)

  Regards,
  Sander

  --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
  <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
  > How about two subforms - one on the top of the form
  > where you only enter new
  > records, one on the bottom with all the current
  > records and no additions
  > allowed.  In the After Update event of the top
  > subform, requery the bottom
  > subform.
  > 
  > Rocky
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
  > solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:42 PM
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  > 
  > 
  > > It's the only way to get the "new record" at the
  > top of a continuous
  > > form, and it has the advantage of allowing for an
  > "undo" easily.
  > >
  > > Charlotte Foust
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Kath Pelletti
  > [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
  > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:22 PM
  > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  > solving
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
  > first?
  > >
  > >
  > > Very clever. I like it
  > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  > >   From: Reuben Cummings
  > >   To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  > solving
  > >   Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
  > >   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
  > first?
  > >
  > >
  > >   Something I have done on several occasions to
  > handle this very thing
  > > is to
  > >   basically ignore the subform as the solution,
  > but rather put unbound
  > > fields
  > >   on the main form directly above the fields of
  > the subform.
  > >
  > >   If you do not have the subform sunken you can't
  > hardly tell they are
  > > not in
  > >   the subform (I usually leave mine sunken
  > though).
  > >
  > >   The user inputs the new data into the unbound
  > fields of the main form,
  > >   clicks an add button.  You validate the data,
  > write the data to the
  > > table
  > >   and requery the subform.  And if that record
  > needs to be at the top
  > > then
  > >   just set the sort order accordingly.
  > >
  > >   Reuben Cummings
  > >   GFC, LLC
  > >   phone: 812.523.1017
  > >   email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
  > >
  > >   > -----Original Message-----
  > >   > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > >   >
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
  > Behalf Of Andy Lacey
  > >   > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
  > >   > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  > solving
  > >   > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
  > first?
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > Sander
  > >   > I know what you mean. My users often don't
  > like this either. The
  > > answer to
  > >   > your question is no (I think) but a workaround
  > is to place a
  > >   > command button
  > >   > in the header called "Add New Record" or
  > whatever and behind there
  > > put:
  > >   >
  > >   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  > >   >
  > >   > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at
  > least the user
  > > doesn't have
  > >   > to scroll down.
  > >   >
  > >   > There is another technique which may work but
  > depends on your data
  > > to an
  > >   > extent. If, say, the data your subform is
  > bound to has a date
  > >   > created field,
  > >   > and if your user is happy to see the data in
  > desc order of date (ie
  > > newest
  > >   > at the top), then you can do the following:
  > >   >
  > >   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  > >   > me!DateField=Now()
  > >   > me.requery
  > >   >
  > >   > This will add the new record with the latest
  > date then the
  > >   > requery will sort
  > >   > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can
  > sometimes be effective.
  > >   >
  > >   > --
  > >   > Andy Lacey
  > >   > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > --------- Original Message --------
  > >   > From: "Access Developers discussion and
  > problem solving"
  > >   > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > >   > To: "Acces User Group"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > >   > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
  > first?
  > >   > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > Hi group,
  > >   >
  > >   > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the
  > records
  > >   > it is possible to add a record. However I
  > first have
  > >   > to tab through all records (or use the
  > scrollbar).
  > >   >
  > >   > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert
  > a new
  > >   > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
  > >   >
  > >   > So you see an empty line and below it are all
  > >   > detailrecords.
  > >   >
  > >   > Hope this makes sence.
  > >   >
  > >   > TIA
  > >   >
  > >   > SD


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 27 11:22:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:22:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E7@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEIIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope, never ran into it.  I tend to do tabs / subforms so I wouldn't run
into it in forms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


John,

Do you honestly mean you've never run up against that limitation?  It's
been built into Access forever.  Try laying out a report complete with
lines and graphics and you can run into it very quickly, since it
applies to reports as well.   Compact has no effect on it.  The only
cure is to create a new form and paste the controls onto it.  The
limitation still exists, but you don't have all those deleted items
messing you up.  It includes *every* control, including the bound
labels, lines, boxes, buttons, pagebreaks, etc.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


>Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over

>the
lifetime of a form

Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean
that up eh?

Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added
over the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only
20 controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over
its lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get

> an error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go
> round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 11:35:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:35:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEIIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c39cb0$c61e5680$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I do the tab/subform thing automatically myself ...but as Charlotte
pointed out, I hit it in a report where I was trying to be a bit fancy with
lines and such ...once you hit it, the form/report is simply dead, nothing
you can do but create a new form ...drove me bonkers the first time until I
found a reference to it on Dev's site :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Nope, never ran into it.  I tend to do tabs / subforms so I wouldn't run
> into it in forms.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> John,
>
> Do you honestly mean you've never run up against that limitation?  It's
> been built into Access forever.  Try laying out a report complete with
> lines and graphics and you can run into it very quickly, since it
> applies to reports as well.   Compact has no effect on it.  The only
> cure is to create a new form and paste the controls onto it.  The
> limitation still exists, but you don't have all those deleted items
> messing you up.  It includes *every* control, including the bound
> labels, lines, boxes, buttons, pagebreaks, etc.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:08 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> >Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
>
> >the
> lifetime of a form
>
> Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean
> that up eh?
>
> Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> Pedro
>
> ...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
> ...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added
> over the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only
> 20 controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over
> its lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
>
> > an error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go
> > round
> this,
> > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 11:47:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E9@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

So do I, but I ran into it creating an *unbound* input form for a
telemarketing survey in a previous life.  And of course I solved it by
using subforms on a tab page. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


Nope, never ran into it.  I tend to do tabs / subforms so I wouldn't run
into it in forms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


John,

Do you honestly mean you've never run up against that limitation?  It's
been built into Access forever.  Try laying out a report complete with
lines and graphics and you can run into it very quickly, since it
applies to reports as well.   Compact has no effect on it.  The only
cure is to create a new form and paste the controls onto it.  The
limitation still exists, but you don't have all those deleted items
messing you up.  It includes *every* control, including the bound
labels, lines, boxes, buttons, pagebreaks, etc.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


>Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over

>the
lifetime of a form

Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean
that up eh?

Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added
over the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only
20 controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over
its lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get

> an error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go 
> round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 11:55:53 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273EF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031027175553.64430.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>

Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
possibility of duplication.

The reason why we're moving them to different tables
after processing is for marketing to keep track of
different functions based upon the data in tables
specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
that decline to go into another table, and customers
that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
into yet another table.

The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
doing at a particular given point in time.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> the data, instead of
> just adding a field to track the 'status' of it. 
> You could have a byte
> field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> numbers could represent
> where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> bloomers....hehehe
> 
> I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> like this...
> 
> I have a back-end database table that is my master
> table of records.  I want my people to click a
> button
> called "Get Information" that will read the first
> available record into a "make table query" to create
> a
> temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> the
> master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> will
> never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> into other back-end tables, depending on the
> disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> 
> Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> 
> Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> to a different back-end table and the local table,
> tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
> Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> Get
> Information, this process starts all over again.
> 
> I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> ideas?  Thank you.
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 12:07:20 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:07:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027175553.64430.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c39cb5$2a27f060$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much of a "reason" at all
...you're violating data normalization rules all over the place and creating
tables where a simple flag field and query would be much more apropos ...I
realize that you may not control things as much as you'd like but this
sounds like something a network engineer would build rather than a database
designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before and even more so now :((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
> by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> possibility of duplication.
>
> The reason why we're moving them to different tables
> after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> different functions based upon the data in tables
> specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
> that decline to go into another table, and customers
> that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
> into yet another table.
>
> The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
> yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
> doing at a particular given point in time.
>
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> > the data, instead of
> > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > You could have a byte
> > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > numbers could represent
> > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > To: Database Advisors
> > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> >
> > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> > like this...
> >
> > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > available record into a "make table query" to create
> > a
> > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> > the
> > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> >
> > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> >
> > Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> > Get
> > Information, this process starts all over again.
> >
> > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > ideas?  Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 12:19:31 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:19:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using Library Form
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEMHFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEHFEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Well, first off, I was doing this completely backward. I shouldn't have set
this to CodeDB but to CurrentDB!

As for the bound data - I haven't found a way to do this so it makes sense
time-wise to just change it all to unbound. DONE

OK everything works now EXCEPT:

I store the application icon in the table as an OLE field (it is also stored
in the "application icon" property). I have always diplayed this on the
SysInfo form as it looks nice.

How do I go about reading an OLE field from the recordset (or the
"Application Icon" property) and presenting it for display on the form?

John B.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:44 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Using Library Form
>
>
> Hi all,
> I have a form that is bound to a table which is common in all of my apps.
> The table holds information about the application(title, version, etc,). I
> thought this would be a perfect example of a form to put in my common code
> library, call it from there to display the application specific app.
> information for each calling app.
>
> I put the table in my common library DB and loaded the library's info.
> I changed all the references from currentDB to CodeDB.
> I put a function in my code library that opens the form when
> called from any
> app.
>
> Problem:
> The form always displays the library information.
>
> What I am missing here?
>
> John
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 27 12:33:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:33:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273F3@main2.marlow.com>

Again, that can be tracked by one field.  And changing on field is just as
'reliable' in preventing 'duplicates' as moving records around.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
possibility of duplication.

The reason why we're moving them to different tables
after processing is for marketing to keep track of
different functions based upon the data in tables
specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
that decline to go into another table, and customers
that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
into yet another table.

The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
doing at a particular given point in time.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> the data, instead of
> just adding a field to track the 'status' of it. 
> You could have a byte
> field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> numbers could represent
> where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> bloomers....hehehe
> 
> I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> like this...
> 
> I have a back-end database table that is my master
> table of records.  I want my people to click a
> button
> called "Get Information" that will read the first
> available record into a "make table query" to create
> a
> temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> the
> master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> will
> never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> into other back-end tables, depending on the
> disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> 
> Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> 
> Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> to a different back-end table and the local table,
> tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
> Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> Get
> Information, this process starts all over again.
> 
> I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> ideas?  Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 27 12:37:13 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:37:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE
In-Reply-To: <14258459.1067277051048.JavaMail.root@sniper2.marix.com>
Message-ID: <002201c39cb9$56ddb8c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Thanks Charlotte!

Just what I needed to know.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE


If the FE is local and autocompact is set on, the front end gets compacted
when you close the database.  If the front end is shared, it gets compacted
when the last person leaves it, same as the back end.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE


I've been wondering . . .

In a configuration where the system is split FE and BE, and the FE also has
local tables that are used for temporarily holding data, how are the local
tables compacted?  Particularly in Access XP when it's set to auto-compact?

I know that the BE is compacted when the last person exits.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 12:41:27 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:41:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <00f701c39cb5$2a27f060$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <20031027184127.65180.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

That's because I *AM* a network engineer...hehehe  By
profession I tend to think modular....hehehe

My boss wants a guarantee of no overlapping.  This is
the only way I can think of doing it without coding
mountains of logic into each form that I am creating. 
The more logic I have to put in to account for every
possible contingency the larger the chance for errors
becomes.  Peeling off one record and storing it in a
temporary table will allow me to use the same logic
over and over again, plus guarantee that there will be
no overlaps.

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > >
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 12:46:25 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:46:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD784A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <20031027184625.71673.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
one record could become corrupt if the front-end gets
whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.

Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of criteria
as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled, and
I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
way of handling it.

They are adamant about having one back-end table that
contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
table that contains the records that have been
contacted and have answered the questions, one table
that contains the "not-interested" responses, and one
table that contains the "call me back later"
responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
way, nor what they are going to do with it once it is
complete.

--- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com> wrote:
> I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut Status"
> field to the original
> back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> field. Doing it this way
> means you never need to move the data from table to
> table, instead just
> change the values in those two fields. In addition,
> there's no danger of
> data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> copy gets trashed /
> corrupted.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Frank Tanner III
> [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > To:	Database Advisors
> > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> Question.
> > 
> > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> bloomers....hehehe
> > 
> > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > like this...
> > 
> > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> button
> > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > available record into a "make table query" to
> create a
> > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> the
> > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> will
> > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > 
> > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > 
> > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> 
> > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> Get
> > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > 
> > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > ideas?  Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 27 12:53:12 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:53:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FA@main2.marlow.com>

Is there a reason you have a big frown after thinking I was on the Mark!
<evilgrin>

Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off of the top of my head,
for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have mobile databases.  Even
then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting there, in case one of the
mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half replication! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much of a "reason" at all
...you're violating data normalization rules all over the place and creating
tables where a simple flag field and query would be much more apropos ...I
realize that you may not control things as much as you'd like but this
sounds like something a network engineer would build rather than a database
designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before and even more so now :((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
> by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> possibility of duplication.
>
> The reason why we're moving them to different tables
> after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> different functions based upon the data in tables
> specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
> that decline to go into another table, and customers
> that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
> into yet another table.
>
> The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
> yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
> doing at a particular given point in time.
>
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> > the data, instead of
> > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > You could have a byte
> > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > numbers could represent
> > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > To: Database Advisors
> > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> >
> > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> > like this...
> >
> > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > available record into a "make table query" to create
> > a
> > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> > the
> > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> >
> > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> >
> > Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> > Get
> > Information, this process starts all over again.
> >
> > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > ideas?  Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 27 13:00:02 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:00:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273F4@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031028075546.022d8730@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Drew,  I might need to take a different approach to solve the 
problem.  If I could make the updating easier for the users this would go a 
long way.  Currently they need to go to a web site, click on a file and 
save it to their local drive, then click on a shortcut to install the update.

Can anyone give me pointers/HTML code for automating this into one step - 
they just click on the web site link and the file is downloaded to the 
local drive (always to the same location on every ones machine), then an 
installation file is started which handles the updating.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205

At 27/10/2003, you wrote:
>Okay David, I took at look at that database, finally, sorry, had a long
>week.  The data entry portion would be a snap to convert to ASP pages. Rough
>estimate of 6 hours.  The reports are DEFINITELY going to be a problem
>though.  Some look pretty simple, and those could be converted to HTML/ASP.
>However, I saw one with a graph.  Oh, those are show stoppers when it comes
>to HTML, because just plain HTML doesn't play well with graphs.  Now, you
>could still create those reports in access, and possible use scripting to
>force print them.  There are two possibilities there.  One, messing with
>printers/printing with client side scripting on the web is a pain.  There
>are ActiveX controls out there that make life a lot easier, but they cost
>money...not sure how much, probably at least one or two hundred.  Another
>possibility would be to create a VB FE, that runs on the clients machines.
>It's a snap to make a browser in VB, so it could just interact with the
>webpages, just like IE would.  But then when it came time for the reports,
>you run them from the server, VB 'downloads' them, and VB can then display
>or print them.  Just a thought....and a wild one at that, because I've never
>done that, but 95% of what I do in VB I've never done before! <grin>
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:01 PM
>To: Drew Wutka
>Subject: Web based Project (Dalyn Software)
>
>
>Drew,
>
>Thanks for your time today.
>
>Here is the file.  If you unzip it to a folder called C:\BWS then the FE
>will link to the BE.
>
>Call me if you have any questions (below is a free phone number to NZ).
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 13:04:55 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:04:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027184625.71673.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013401c39cbd$35cc9da0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"They are adamant" Frank

...why I love being an independent ...I can enjoy the sight of colbyizing
such "adamant" beings, dropping them into thin air sans parachute :)

...seriously Frank, you are building a trap for yourself here ...no matter
how much "simpler" you think it will be to code the separate tables, I
assure you that it isn't ...one table with status fields feeding multiple
forms through queries ...the cbf for such is enormously less convoluted than
trying to move records from one table to others dependent upon criteria
...to get any kind of reliability you'd have to use transaction processing
and that can be a bear even for experienced coders ...otoh, using queries to
read/update a single table is simplicity itself ...not to mention the much
greater data reliability :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
> one record could become corrupt if the front-end gets
> whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.
>
> Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of criteria
> as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled, and
> I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
> way of handling it.
>
> They are adamant about having one back-end table that
> contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> table that contains the records that have been
> contacted and have answered the questions, one table
> that contains the "not-interested" responses, and one
> table that contains the "call me back later"
> responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
> way, nor what they are going to do with it once it is
> complete.
>
> --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com> wrote:
> > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut Status"
> > field to the original
> > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > field. Doing it this way
> > means you never need to move the data from table to
> > table, instead just
> > change the values in those two fields. In addition,
> > there's no danger of
> > data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> > copy gets trashed /
> > corrupted.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> > to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> > go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> > record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> >
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Mon Oct 27 13:07:07 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:07:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031027184625.71673.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c39cbd$8747fda0$afb31bac@t740449>

Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the Master Table, put it into
temp and then put it into a new Table called Processed with a category
column for completed, not interested and to be contacted later.  Then create
three queries with each one giving you the full set of data for each
category.  The problem is that once you separate the data, it is hard to put
it back together again, kind of like Humpty-Dumpty, and you never know what
future requirements there may be, been there, done that, don't ever want to
do it again:(

Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
one record could become corrupt if the front-end gets
whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.

Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of criteria
as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled, and
I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
way of handling it.

They are adamant about having one back-end table that
contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
table that contains the records that have been
contacted and have answered the questions, one table
that contains the "not-interested" responses, and one
table that contains the "call me back later"
responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
way, nor what they are going to do with it once it is
complete.

--- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com> wrote:
> I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut Status"
> field to the original
> back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> field. Doing it this way
> means you never need to move the data from table to
> table, instead just
> change the values in those two fields. In addition,
> there's no danger of
> data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> copy gets trashed /
> corrupted.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Frank Tanner III
> [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > To:	Database Advisors
> > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> Question.
> > 
> > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> bloomers....hehehe
> > 
> > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > like this...
> > 
> > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> button
> > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > available record into a "make table query" to
> create a
> > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> the
> > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> will
> > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > 
> > Get Information pulls "next available record" from 
> > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table query, and stuffs 
> > it into a front-end table called tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > removes said
> record
> > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > 
> > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > to a different back-end table and the local table, 
> > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> 
> > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> Get
> > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > 
> > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > ideas?  Thank you. _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 13:10:56 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:10:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FA@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <013901c39cbe$0cd71f50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer to as a "notwork" type
design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round with network engineers all
too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a design by a newbie than one
done by a network type ...most newbies can be reasoned with! :)))))))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> Is there a reason you have a big frown after thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
>
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off of the top of my
head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have mobile databases.
Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting there, in case one of
the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half replication! <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
>
>
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all over the place and
creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build rather than a
database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before and even more so now
:((((
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
>
>
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 27 13:17:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:17:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FE@main2.marlow.com>

I still don't see that guarantee.  If you have a form, that gets the first
record, if it sets the flag when it pulls it, the next form opening will get
the next record, and continue the process.  It is going to take LONGER to
'peel' the records.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


That's because I *AM* a network engineer...hehehe  By
profession I tend to think modular....hehehe

My boss wants a guarantee of no overlapping.  This is
the only way I can think of doing it without coding
mountains of logic into each form that I am creating. 
The more logic I have to put in to account for every
possible contingency the larger the chance for errors
becomes.  Peeling off one record and storing it in a
temporary table will allow me to use the same logic
over and over again, plus guarantee that there will be
no overlaps.

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> > >
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> >
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> >
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 13:26:49 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:26:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FA@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031027192649.77139.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
heheheh

Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
sense into people, they still wanna do what they wanna
do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do. 
Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my boss,
I lose....hehehe

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off
> of the top of my head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have
> mobile databases.  Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 13:28:29 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:28:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <003501c39cbd$8747fda0$afb31bac@t740449>
Message-ID: <20031027192829.80658.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

That would be acceptable to me, whether or not it is
acceptable to them.  HOWEVER, it still doesn't answer
my original question.

Which was how to peel the record in the first place.

Then, regardless of how the END result is, my original
question would still remain the same.

--- Nancy Lytle <nancy.lytle at auatac.com> wrote:
> Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the
> Master Table, put it into
> temp and then put it into a new Table called
> Processed with a category
> column for completed, not interested and to be
> contacted later.  Then create
> three queries with each one giving you the full set
> of data for each
> category.  The problem is that once you separate the
> data, it is hard to put
> it back together again, kind of like Humpty-Dumpty,
> and you never know what
> future requirements there may be, been there, done
> that, don't ever want to
> do it again:(
> 
> Nancy Lytle
> EIS
> nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
> one record could become corrupt if the front-end
> gets
> whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of
> criteria
> as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled,
> and
> I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
> way of handling it.
> 
> They are adamant about having one back-end table
> that
> contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> table that contains the records that have been
> contacted and have answered the questions, one table
> that contains the "not-interested" responses, and
> one
> table that contains the "call me back later"
> responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
> way, nor what they are going to do with it once it
> is
> complete.
> 
> --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> wrote:
> > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut
> Status"
> > field to the original
> > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > field. Doing it this way
> > means you never need to move the data from table
> to
> > table, instead just
> > change the values in those two fields. In
> addition,
> > there's no danger of
> > data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> > copy gets trashed /
> > corrupted.
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Frank Tanner III
> > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > To:	Database Advisors
> > > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > > 
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> > > 
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> > to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > like this...
> > > 
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> > go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > > 
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from 
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs 
> > > it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > > removes said
> > record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > 
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table, 
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > 
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > > 
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 13:30:30 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:30:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <013901c39cbe$0cd71f50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <20031027193030.81068.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
Marketing department is.

And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe

Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I am
a firm believer in there being more than one way to
skin a cat.

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer to
> as a "notwork" type
> design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round with
> network engineers all
> too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> design by a newbie than one
> done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> reasoned with! :)))))))))
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off of the top of my
> head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have mobile databases.
> Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of
> the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> >
> >
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and
> creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build rather than a
> database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now
> :((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> >
> >
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY
> > > possibility of duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of
> > > different functions based upon the data in
> tables
> > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers
> that
> > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> > > > will
> > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> will go
> > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > > >
> > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> table
> > > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > >
> > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > > Get
> > > > Information, this process starts all over
> again.
> > > >
> > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this. 
> Any
> > > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> 
=== message truncated ===


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 13:40:02 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:40:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027193030.81068.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <016501c39cc2$1d1bb750$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...and if you went to your boss and told him that the proposed design would
almost certainly result in more problems, not less? ...but that there is a
much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs don't get there by
failing idiot detection tests :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> Marketing department is.
>
> And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
>
> Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I am
> a firm believer in there being more than one way to
> skin a cat.
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer to
> > as a "notwork" type
> > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round with
> > network engineers all
> > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > design by a newbie than one
> > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> > off of the top of my
> > head,
> > > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> > have mobile databases.
> > Even
> > > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of
> > the
> > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > much of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and
> > creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> > be much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > build rather than a
> > database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now
> > :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY
> > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> > of
> > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > tables
> > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers
> > that
> > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > customers
> > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > later go
> > > > into yet another table.
> > > >
> > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > >
> > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> > it.
> > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > other
> > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > order to
> > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > > like this...
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > > button
> > > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > > a
> > > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> > it
> > > > > will
> > > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> > will go
> > > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > > > >
> > > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> > from
> > > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> > table
> > > > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> > called
> > > > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> > record
> > > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> > table,
> > > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> > cleared/deleted.
> > > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> > of
> > > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> > the
> > > > > Get
> > > > > Information, this process starts all over
> > again.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.
> > Any
> > > > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 14:06:20 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:06:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <016501c39cc2$1d1bb750$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <20031027200620.90473.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
special needs for each of the tables being seperate. 
When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
department, do it the way you were requested" answer.

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...and if you went to your boss and told him that
> the proposed design would
> almost certainly result in more problems, not less?
> ...but that there is a
> much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs
> don't get there by
> failing idiot detection tests :)
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > Marketing department is.
> >
> > And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
> >
> > Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I
> am
> > a firm believer in there being more than one way
> to
> > skin a cat.
> >
> > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer
> to
> > > as a "notwork" type
> > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round
> with
> > > network engineers all
> > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > > design by a newbie than one
> > > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving'"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > <evilgrin>
> > > >
> > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think
> of,
> > > off of the top of my
> > > head,
> > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> actually
> > > have mobile databases.
> > > Even
> > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> sitting
> > > there, in case one of
> > > the
> > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > replication! <grin>
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: William Hindman
> > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > ...you're violating data normalization rules
> all
> > > over the place and
> > > creating
> > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> would
> > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > realize that you may not control things as
> much as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > > build rather than a
> > > database
> > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now
> > > :((((
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> avoid
> > > ANY
> > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> different
> > > tables
> > > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track
> > > of
> > > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > > tables
> > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE. 
> Customers
> > > that
> > > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > customers
> > > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > customers
> > > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > > later go
> > > > > into yet another table.
> > > > >
> > > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > possible
> > > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > someone is
> > > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> physically
> > > 'move'
> > > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status'
> of
> > > it.
> > > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > > other
> > > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > > order to
> > > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted. 
> It
> > > works
> > > > > > like this...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a back-end database table that is
> my
> 
=== message truncated ===


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:14:24 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:14:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027200620.90473.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <017e01c39cc6$ea7cc910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door ...but then I have that
choice :))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
> special needs for each of the tables being seperate.
> When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> department, do it the way you were requested" answer.
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...and if you went to your boss and told him that
> > the proposed design would
> > almost certainly result in more problems, not less?
> > ...but that there is a
> > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs
> > don't get there by
> > failing idiot detection tests :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > Marketing department is.
> > >
> > > And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
> > >
> > > Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I
> > am
> > > a firm believer in there being more than one way
> > to
> > > skin a cat.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer
> > to
> > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round
> > with
> > > > network engineers all
> > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving'"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think
> > of,
> > > > off of the top of my
> > > > head,
> > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > actually
> > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > Even
> > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > sitting
> > > > there, in case one of
> > > > the
> > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > ...you're violating data normalization rules
> > all
> > > > over the place and
> > > > creating
> > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > would
> > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > much as
> > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > > > build rather than a
> > > > database
> > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > before
> > > > and even more so now
> > > > :((((
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > > accessed
> > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > avoid
> > > > ANY
> > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > different
> > > > tables
> > > > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> > track
> > > > of
> > > > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > > > tables
> > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> > Customers
> > > > that
> > > > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > > > later go
> > > > > > into yet another table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > > possible
> > > > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > > someone is
> > > > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> > physically
> > > > 'move'
> > > > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status'
> > of
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > > > other
> > > > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.
> > It
> > > > works
> > > > > > > like this...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a back-end database table that is
> > my
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Oct 27 14:15:20 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:15:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto e-mail
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395C3@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

I have a time sheet application using SS7.0 as the BE.
I am trying to come up with a solution that will automatically send out, via
e-mail, reminders to all users who have not filled out their time sheets.

At first I thought I might create a stored procedure that used sp_OACreate
to create an ADODB.Recordset and then iterate through the recordset of tardy
users and, for each one, use xp_sendmail to alert them. This method seems
little cumbersome with all the syntax needed to use sp_OACreate effectively.

Then I thought I might create a VB Service that would do the same thing at
the desired interval, but this seemed a little much for what I was hoping
would be a simply task.

Are my only options the ones I listed above or does anyone have a better
approach.

Thanks!
JR




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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Mon Oct 27 14:15:12 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:15:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

We are on a Novel Network.  When we create a database on the sun server
downstairs, those of us with AccessXP cannot execute it from the server.
Even though we have execute rights on the server and on the files.  The
operating system on the box is Unix.  When we try to execute an mdb residing
on the server we get this message:

"Microsoft Access cannot open this file.  This file is located outside out
intranet or on an untrusted site.  Microsoft Access will not open the file
due to potential security problems.  To open the file, copy it to youro
machine or an accessible network location."  

We have to copy it to our hard drives as we use really large databases and
they won't store on any of the other servers in the department.  Those of us
with windows 2000 or windows 98 do not have any trouble executing any Access
databases on the server.  Even those created in XP.  

Can someone help us out of this situation?  Thanks.

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Oct 27 14:19:43 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:19:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
Message-ID: <sf9d37da.063@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why they
are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I know
this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one to
'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
 
She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that uses
another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple
right?
 
I have tried : 
 
StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
 
and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime planned.
Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll of
declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
 
Thanks in advance!!!
 
John W Clark

From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:23:58 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:23:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027200620.90473.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c39cc8$480bc8f0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

OK then -- how about a compromise. Suggest that the actual work be done
using your design, and then offer to develop a short routine that splits it
into tables, as needed, for her purposes.

Susan H.


> Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
> special needs for each of the tables being seperate.
> When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> department, do it the way you were requested" answer.
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...and if you went to your boss and told him that
> > the proposed design would
> > almost certainly result in more problems, not less?
> > ...but that there is a
> > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs
> > don't get there by
> > failing idiot detection tests :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > Marketing department is.
> > >
> > > And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
> > >
> > > Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I
> > am
> > > a firm believer in there being more than one way
> > to
> > > skin a cat.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer
> > to
> > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round
> > with
> > > > network engineers all
> > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving'"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think
> > of,
> > > > off of the top of my
> > > > head,
> > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > actually
> > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > Even
> > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > sitting
> > > > there, in case one of
> > > > the
> > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > ...you're violating data normalization rules
> > all
> > > > over the place and
> > > > creating
> > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > would
> > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > much as
> > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > > > build rather than a
> > > > database
> > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > before
> > > > and even more so now
> > > > :((((
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > > accessed
> > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > avoid
> > > > ANY
> > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > different
> > > > tables
> > > > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> > track
> > > > of
> > > > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > > > tables
> > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> > Customers
> > > > that
> > > > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > > > later go
> > > > > > into yet another table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > > possible
> > > > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > > someone is
> > > > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> > physically
> > > > 'move'
> > > > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status'
> > of
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > > > other
> > > > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.
> > It
> > > > works
> > > > > > > like this...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a back-end database table that is
> > my
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 14:28:42 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:28:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <017e01c39cc6$ea7cc910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <20031027202842.37196.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>

But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
wasn't the initial thrust of my question.

My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
external table by using it to create a temporary local
table and deleting the record from the back-end
table?"

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> ...but then I have that
> choice :))))
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she
> has
> > special needs for each of the tables being
> seperate.
> > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> > department, do it the way you were requested"
> answer.
> >
> > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> that
> > > the proposed design would
> > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> less?
> > > ...but that there is a
> > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr
> VPs
> > > don't get there by
> > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > > Marketing department is.
> > > >
> > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> lose....hehe
> > > >
> > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> inflexible.  I
> > > am
> > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> way
> > > to
> > > > skin a cat.
> > > >
> > > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> refer
> > > to
> > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> round
> > > with
> > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> reworking a
> > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> be
> > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> want
> > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving'"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> after
> > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> think
> > > of,
> > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > head,
> > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > actually
> > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > Even
> > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > > sitting
> > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound
> like
> > > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > > ...you're violating data normalization
> rules
> > > all
> > > > > over the place and
> > > > > creating
> > > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > > would
> > > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > > much as
> > > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > > sounds like something a network engineer
> would
> > > > > build rather than a
> > > > > database
> > > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > > before
> > > > > and even more so now
> > > > > :((((
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > > want
> > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to
> be
> > > > > accessed
> > > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > > avoid
> > > > > ANY
> > > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > > different
> > > > > tables
> > > > > > > after processing is for marketing to
> keep
> > > track
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > different functions based upon the data
> in
> > > > > tables
> > > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> 
=== message truncated ===


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 14:31:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:31:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Use Dsum()

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!


I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why they
are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I know
this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one to
'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
 
She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that uses
another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple right?
 
I have tried : 
 
StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
 
and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime planned.
Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll of
declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
 
Thanks in advance!!!
 
John W Clark
_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:33:34 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:33:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
References: <sf9d37da.063@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <019f01c39cc9$97e20f00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...why not change the form source to a query based on both tables?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!


> I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why they
> are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I know
> this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
> really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one to
> 'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
>  
> She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that uses
> another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple
> right?
>  
> I have tried : 
>  
> StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
>  
> and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
> head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime planned.
> Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll of
> declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
>  
> Thanks in advance!!!
>  
> John W Clark
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:38:18 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:38:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027202842.37196.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006601c39cca$43435980$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Frank -- you can run an SQL statement against an external table. You could
run a Make Table, referencing the external table for the record you need and
then saving it locally. Then, run a DELETE against the back-end table.

Susan H.


> But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
> wasn't the initial thrust of my question.
>
> My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
> external table by using it to create a temporary local
> table and deleting the record from the back-end
> table?"
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> > ...but then I have that
> > choice :))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she
> > has
> > > special needs for each of the tables being
> > seperate.
> > > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> > > department, do it the way you were requested"
> > answer.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> > that
> > > > the proposed design would
> > > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> > less?
> > > > ...but that there is a
> > > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr
> > VPs
> > > > don't get there by
> > > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > > > Marketing department is.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> > lose....hehe
> > > > >
> > > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> > inflexible.  I
> > > > am
> > > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > > skin a cat.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> > refer
> > > > to
> > > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> > round
> > > > with
> > > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> > reworking a
> > > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> > be
> > > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving'"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> > after
> > > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> > think
> > > > of,
> > > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > > head,
> > > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > > actually
> > > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > > Even
> > > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > > > sitting
> > > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound
> > like
> > > > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > > > ...you're violating data normalization
> > rules
> > > > all
> > > > > > over the place and
> > > > > > creating
> > > > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > > > would
> > > > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > > > much as
> > > > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > > > sounds like something a network engineer
> > would
> > > > > > build rather than a
> > > > > > database
> > > > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > > > before
> > > > > > and even more so now
> > > > > > :((((
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > > > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to
> > be
> > > > > > accessed
> > > > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > > > avoid
> > > > > > ANY
> > > > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > > > different
> > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > after processing is for marketing to
> > keep
> > > > track
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > different functions based upon the data
> > in
> > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:39:08 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:39:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027202842.37196.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01a801c39cca$60f658b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...cmdbutton calls a function that runs two docmd queries 1) make table  2)
del fm BE table where the criteria is the record in the table you just
created ...HTH :)

...you can also do this in SQL but I've never found a reason to prefer that
over simple queries :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
> wasn't the initial thrust of my question.
>
> My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
> external table by using it to create a temporary local
> table and deleting the record from the back-end
> table?"
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> > ...but then I have that
> > choice :))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she
> > has
> > > special needs for each of the tables being
> > seperate.
> > > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> > > department, do it the way you were requested"
> > answer.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> > that
> > > > the proposed design would
> > > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> > less?
> > > > ...but that there is a
> > > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr
> > VPs
> > > > don't get there by
> > > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > > > Marketing department is.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> > lose....hehe
> > > > >
> > > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> > inflexible.  I
> > > > am
> > > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > > skin a cat.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> > refer
> > > > to
> > > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> > round
> > > > with
> > > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> > reworking a
> > > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> > be
> > > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving'"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> > after
> > > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> > think
> > > > of,
> > > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > > head,
> > > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > > actually
> > > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > > Even
> > > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > > > sitting
> > > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound
> > like
> > > > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > > > ...you're violating data normalization
> > rules
> > > > all
> > > > > > over the place and
> > > > > > creating
> > > > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > > > would
> > > > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > > > much as
> > > > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > > > sounds like something a network engineer
> > would
> > > > > > build rather than a
> > > > > > database
> > > > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > > > before
> > > > > > and even more so now
> > > > > > :((((
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > > > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to
> > be
> > > > > > accessed
> > > > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > > > avoid
> > > > > > ANY
> > > > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > > > different
> > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > after processing is for marketing to
> > keep
> > > > track
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > different functions based upon the data
> > in
> > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 27 14:46:04 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:46:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031027202842.37196.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJCFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Frank,

You don't 'Peel off" a record.  You can use a SQL statement to select a
record.  Then turn that query into a make table query.  Once the query has
run, run a second query that deletes the record in the original table.

Too bad you have to deal with an idiot.  Doing it this way really is bad
design, and could potentially lead to problems (in a multi-user system)
where two people manage to get the same record because it is still there
while you are doing the make table query.  In fact I'd advise you add that
"in use" flag to the table so that you can set that flag to prevent anyone
else getting the same record.

I have had to fire clients where the client dictated the design to that
level.  They never know what they are doing, and they always blame you when
it doesn't work as they thought it would.

Good luck!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
wasn't the initial thrust of my question.

My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
external table by using it to create a temporary local
table and deleting the record from the back-end
table?"

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> ...but then I have that
> choice :))))
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she
> has
> > special needs for each of the tables being
> seperate.
> > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> > department, do it the way you were requested"
> answer.
> >
> > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> that
> > > the proposed design would
> > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> less?
> > > ...but that there is a
> > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr
> VPs
> > > don't get there by
> > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > > Marketing department is.
> > > >
> > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> lose....hehe
> > > >
> > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> inflexible.  I
> > > am
> > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> way
> > > to
> > > > skin a cat.
> > > >
> > > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> refer
> > > to
> > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> round
> > > with
> > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> reworking a
> > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> be
> > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> want
> > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving'"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> after
> > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> think
> > > of,
> > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > head,
> > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > actually
> > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > Even
> > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > > sitting
> > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound
> like
> > > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > > ...you're violating data normalization
> rules
> > > all
> > > > > over the place and
> > > > > creating
> > > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > > would
> > > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > > much as
> > > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > > sounds like something a network engineer
> would
> > > > > build rather than a
> > > > > database
> > > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > > before
> > > > > and even more so now
> > > > > :((((
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > > want
> > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to
> be
> > > > > accessed
> > > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > > avoid
> > > > > ANY
> > > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > > different
> > > > > tables
> > > > > > > after processing is for marketing to
> keep
> > > track
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > different functions based upon the data
> in
> > > > > tables
> > > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon Oct 27 14:56:28 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:56:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7BF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Don't want to jinx myself but it looks like this did the trick.  I did a whois search on smarter.com at geektools.com and sent them a nasty e-mail. That'll teach'em!!

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)


Ditto, even if it doesn't detect it as a problem you can go into the
advanced mode and use the tools to find it. Check out the ActiveX and BHOs.
It's probably listed there. You can toggle the BHOs on and off. The ActiveXs
you'll want to remove.

HTH
jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> Try spybot-search & destroy.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does
> anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that
> continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to
> see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools |
> Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).
>
> I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Oct 27 15:06:56 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:06:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
Message-ID: <sf9d42bd.099@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

I suggested this, but she doesn't get it...and I don't have time to do
it right now. So, if I can just give her a quick answer for now, and
then dodge her for a few days, I'll be good to go. 
 
However, my headache has started to ease, and with it I have gained
some clarity. I am realizing how stupid my approach was--even if I could
find the proper syntax to reference the table, it still won't work. I
think I'll just have to be mean and tell her she is doing it wrong, and
that I can help her re-work it, but she will have to wait a few days.


>>> wdhindman at bellsouth.net 10/27/03 03:33PM >>>
...why not change the form source to a query based on both tables?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!


> I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why
they
> are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I
know
> this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
> really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one
to
> 'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
>  
> She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that
uses
> another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple
> right?
>  
> I have tried : 
>  
> StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
>  
> and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
> head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime
planned.
> Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll
of
> declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
>  
> Thanks in advance!!!
>  
> John W Clark
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 15:15:49 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:15:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
References: <sf9d42bd.099@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <01e301c39ccf$7f18c940$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"I don't have time to do it right now" John

...what? ...three minutes at the most and you're DONE! ...you'd rather argue
with her? ...must not be my day :((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!


> I suggested this, but she doesn't get it...and I don't have time to do
> it right now. So, if I can just give her a quick answer for now, and
> then dodge her for a few days, I'll be good to go.
>
> However, my headache has started to ease, and with it I have gained
> some clarity. I am realizing how stupid my approach was--even if I could
> find the proper syntax to reference the table, it still won't work. I
> think I'll just have to be mean and tell her she is doing it wrong, and
> that I can help her re-work it, but she will have to wait a few days.
>
>
> >>> wdhindman at bellsouth.net 10/27/03 03:33PM >>>
> ...why not change the form source to a query based on both tables?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:19 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
>
>
> > I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why
> they
> > are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I
> know
> > this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
> > really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one
> to
> > 'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
> >
> > She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that
> uses
> > another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple
> > right?
> >
> > I have tried :
> >
> > StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
> >
> > and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
> > head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime
> planned.
> > Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll
> of
> > declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!!!
> >
> > John W Clark
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 15:16:22 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:16:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
In-Reply-To: <sf9d42bd.099@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <3F9E17C6.28626.71C13@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 16:06, John Clark wrote:

> I suggested this, but she doesn't get it...and I don't have time to do
> it right now. So, if I can just give her a quick answer for now, and
> then dodge her for a few days, I'll be good to go. 
>  
> However, my headache has started to ease, and with it I have gained
> some clarity. I am realizing how stupid my approach was--even if I could
> find the proper syntax to reference the table, it still won't work. I
> think I'll just have to be mean and tell her she is doing it wrong, and
> that I can help her re-work it, but she will have to wait a few days.
> 

Just tell her to look at DLoookup in Help.

 
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From greggs at msn.com  Mon Oct 27 15:39:07 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:39:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Auto e-mail
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395C3@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIMEFCDCAA.greggs@msn.com>

I don't even know what sp_AOCreate is.  But I have done what you're talking
about in VBA.  I just linked the SS table to Access and cycle through the
recordset looking for tardy users and use Sendobject when I find one.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Auto e-mail


Hi All,

I have a time sheet application using SS7.0 as the BE.
I am trying to come up with a solution that will automatically send out, via
e-mail, reminders to all users who have not filled out their time sheets.

At first I thought I might create a stored procedure that used sp_OACreate
to create an ADODB.Recordset and then iterate through the recordset of tardy
users and, for each one, use xp_sendmail to alert them. This method seems
little cumbersome with all the syntax needed to use sp_OACreate effectively.

Then I thought I might create a VB Service that would do the same thing at
the desired interval, but this seemed a little much for what I was hoping
would be a simply task.

Are my only options the ones I listed above or does anyone have a better
approach.

Thanks!
JR




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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 27 15:34:35 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:34:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <BAY2-F237bcHme0VxqQ0000c9e6@hotmail.com>

>My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
>external table by using it to create a temporary local
>table and deleting the record from the back-end
>table?"


Hopefuly you have a unique key?

Run a Make Table query or delete / append queries to create the local copy 
of the record. Then a delete query against the main shared table.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 15:35:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:35:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
Message-ID: <3F9E1C5B.6687.1901FA@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 15:15, Klos, Susan wrote:

> 
> We have to copy it to our hard drives as we use really large databases and
> they won't store on any of the other servers in the department.  Those of us
> with windows 2000 or windows 98 do not have any trouble executing any Access
> databases on the server.  Even those created in XP.  
> 

Upgrade the workstations from XP to 2000 :-)
(I won't let my clients use XP - I've seen too many problems with it, 
especially in mixed OS networks)


 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 15:35:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:35:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Auto e-mail
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395C3@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <3F9E1C5B.5893.1901D2@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 15:15, Joe Rojas wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a time sheet application using SS7.0 as the BE.
> I am trying to come up with a solution that will automatically send out, via
> e-mail, reminders to all users who have not filled out their time sheets.
> 
> At first I thought I might create a stored procedure that used sp_OACreate
> to create an ADODB.Recordset and then iterate through the recordset of tardy
> users and, for each one, use xp_sendmail to alert them. This method seems
> little cumbersome with all the syntax needed to use sp_OACreate effectively.
> 
> Then I thought I might create a VB Service that would do the same thing at
> the desired interval, but this seemed a little much for what I was hoping
> would be a simply task.
> 
> Are my only options the ones I listed above or does anyone have a better
> approach.
> 
>

How about an Access solution (after all this is the Access list<g>)

Either link to a view ro create use a passthrough query to pull the 
recordset from the SP.

Set an Autoexec macro to RunCode and call a function which opens the 
RS and steps through it using DoCmd.SendObject (if you are going to 
have an email client available and open on the executing machine, or 
use Blat or some other similar app/dll)  followed by a Quit

Then schedule Access to open the mdb ervery night/morning
or run the code the first time the application is opened each day

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 15:35:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:35:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031027192649.77139.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FA@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3F9E1C5B.28352.190222@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 11:26, Frank Tanner III wrote:

> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
> heheheh
> 

Or to quote the original (Alfred, Lord Tennyson)

Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
 Rode the six hundred.
 
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 15:37:43 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:37:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
	A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous - access question
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMENJFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

How would I go about reading an OLE Object field type from a table and
present it for display on an unbound  form?

John B.

It looks like "silly" and "dumb" are the keywords to getting a response
today
:o)



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 15:37:44 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:37:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
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Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOENJFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Good to see it worked for you. I've had real good luck sending requests to
ISPs that they check out suspicious activity. I guess if you send enough
info they tak it seriously. Hopefully "smarter.com" will be that smart!

jb

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> Don't want to jinx myself but it looks like this did the trick.
> I did a whois search on smarter.com at geektools.com and sent
> them a nasty e-mail. That'll teach'em!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director Product Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> Ditto, even if it doesn't detect it as a problem you can go into the
> advanced mode and use the tools to find it. Check out the ActiveX
> and BHOs.
> It's probably listed there. You can toggle the BHOs on and off.
> The ActiveXs
> you'll want to remove.
>
> HTH
> jb
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:18 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
> >
> >
> > Try spybot-search & destroy.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:14 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
> >
> >
> > I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does
> > anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that
> > continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to
> > see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools |
> > Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).
> >
> > I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 15:41:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:41:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -
	access question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is there a reason you have it stored as an OLE object in the table
instead of just storing the name of the file?  In the latter case, you
could use an image control and set its picture property to the path and
filename of the object.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:38 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -
access question


How would I go about reading an OLE Object field type from a table and
present it for display on an unbound  form?

John B.

It looks like "silly" and "dumb" are the keywords to getting a response
today
:o)


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 15:48:47 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:48:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
Message-ID: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

   Dear List:

I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which are printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate header text.

I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far, so good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic properties for each piece of boilerplate.  

Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with the detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that because the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:

(bullet)  Text One.
(bullet)  Text Two.

It comes out like this:

             Text One.
(bullet)
             Text Two.
(bullet)

Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted list in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct 27 15:57:58 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:57:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7853@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Frank,

You have my sympathy. Nothing worse (or more stupid and counterproductive)
that a "senior management" walla who does not know how to design a database
but is arrogant enough to tell you that it has to be done "this way". I
wonder if she would be just as willing to tell an aeronautics engineer how
to design a wing as she is evidently prepared to tell you how to design a
database.

Depending on what level of oligarchic management is in you company I'd still
say that you should at least go on record as saying that the database way to
do it is "This" and the marketing department's way is "That", and as they
decline to share with you what their reasons are you are hampered in
building a database that will do what they want in an efficient manner. 

Management has no excuse for hiding from you their reasons for wanting a
certain result. Without knowing what they want and why you cannot hope to
make a system for them that will work. It is fundamentally "your department"
to know the whys and wherefores of their hopes for a developing software
system. To keep you in the dark is to guarantee that trouble will be the end
result, sooner ot later.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Frank Tanner III [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
> special needs for each of the tables being seperate. 
> When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> department, do it the way you were requested" answer.
> 
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...and if you went to your boss and told him that
> > the proposed design would
> > almost certainly result in more problems, not less?
> > ...but that there is a
> > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs
> > don't get there by
> > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > 
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > Marketing department is.
> > >
> > > And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
> > >
> > > Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I
> > am
> > > a firm believer in there being more than one way
> > to
> > > skin a cat.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer
> > to
> > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round
> > with
> > > > network engineers all
> > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving'"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think
> > of,
> > > > off of the top of my
> > > > head,
> > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > actually
> > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > Even
> > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > sitting
> > > > there, in case one of
> > > > the
> > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > ...you're violating data normalization rules
> > all
> > > > over the place and
> > > > creating
> > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > would
> > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > much as
> > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > > > build rather than a
> > > > database
> > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > before
> > > > and even more so now
> > > > :((((
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > > accessed
> > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > avoid
> > > > ANY
> > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > different
> > > > tables
> > > > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> > track
> > > > of
> > > > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > > > tables
> > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE. 
> > Customers
> > > > that
> > > > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > > > later go
> > > > > > into yet another table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > > possible
> > > > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > > someone is
> > > > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> > physically
> > > > 'move'
> > > > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status'
> > of
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > > > other
> > > > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted. 
> > It
> > > > works
> > > > > > > like this...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a back-end database table that is
> > my
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 15:58:34 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:58:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not concatenate
it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


   Dear List:

I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which are
printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate
header text.

I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far, so
good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
properties for each piece of boilerplate.

Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with the
detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the
label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that because
the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:

(bullet)  Text One.
(bullet)  Text Two.

It comes out like this:

             Text One.
(bullet)
             Text Two.
(bullet)

Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted list
in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 16:10:50 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:10:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -access
	question
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAENMFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Charlotte,
Thanks for responding. Yes there is a reason it is stored. It is the only
image I store in any of my database apps. The rest I use from files as you
suggested. This is probably why I don't have a clue as to what to do here.

I could spend a couple of hours reading up on it but I thought somebody here
would have some experience in doing this and be able to point me in the
right direction :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
> -access question
>
>
> Is there a reason you have it stored as an OLE object in the table
> instead of just storing the name of the file?  In the latter case, you
> could use an image control and set its picture property to the path and
> filename of the object.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:38 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -
> access question
>
>
> How would I go about reading an OLE Object field type from a table and
> present it for display on an unbound  form?
>
> John B.
>
> It looks like "silly" and "dumb" are the keywords to getting a response
> today
> :o)
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 16:30:07 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:30:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -access
	question
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAENMFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F9E290F.2830.3C3BE99@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 16:10, John Bartow wrote:

> Hi Charlotte,
> Thanks for responding. Yes there is a reason it is stored. It is the only
> image I store in any of my database apps. The rest I use from files as you
> suggested. This is probably why I don't have a clue as to what to do here.
> 
> I could spend a couple of hours reading up on it but I thought somebody here
> would have some experience in doing this and be able to point me in the
> right direction :o)
> 

Just drop a Bound Object Frame on the form and set it's source to 
=DLookup("myImage","MyTable")

-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 16:41:09 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:41:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJCFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031027224109.31898.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately, since I work for the company, I cannot
fire the company....hehehe  Although many times I
would have liked to.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> You don't 'Peel off" a record.  You can use a SQL
> statement to select a
> record.  Then turn that query into a make table
> query.  Once the query has
> run, run a second query that deletes the record in
> the original table.
> 
> Too bad you have to deal with an idiot.  Doing it
> this way really is bad
> design, and could potentially lead to problems (in a
> multi-user system)
> where two people manage to get the same record
> because it is still there
> while you are doing the make table query.  In fact
> I'd advise you add that
> "in use" flag to the table so that you can set that
> flag to prevent anyone
> else getting the same record.
> 
> I have had to fire clients where the client dictated
> the design to that
> level.  They never know what they are doing, and
> they always blame you when
> it doesn't work as they thought it would.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:29 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
> wasn't the initial thrust of my question.
> 
> My question was, "How can I peel off one record of
> an
> external table by using it to create a temporary
> local
> table and deleting the record from the back-end
> table?"
> 
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> > ...but then I have that
> > choice :))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently
> she
> > has
> > > special needs for each of the tables being
> > seperate.
> > > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern
> or
> > > department, do it the way you were requested"
> > answer.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> > that
> > > > the proposed design would
> > > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> > less?
> > > > ...but that there is a
> > > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most
> Sr
> > VPs
> > > > don't get there by
> > > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one. 
> The
> > > > > Marketing department is.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> > lose....hehe
> > > > >
> > > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> > inflexible.  I
> > > > am
> > > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > > skin a cat.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- William Hindman
> <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> > refer
> > > > to
> > > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> > round
> > > > with
> > > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> > reworking a
> > > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> > be
> > > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving'"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> > after
> > > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> > think
> > > > of,
> > > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > > head,
> > > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > > actually
> > > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > > Even
> > > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master
> copy'
> > > > sitting
> > > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's
> half
> > > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another
> Silly
> 
=== message truncated ===


From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Oct 27 17:31:33 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:31:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2.0 (yes 2.0) and SQL Server 2000
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0B1@TAPPEEXCH01>

I have been keeping a fairly substantial legacy app alive for a while now,
that uses Access 2.0 as its front-end and SQL Server 2000 as its back-end.
It has a couple of continuous forms that use pass-through queries as a
recordsource.
 
It seems that lately (although this problem may have existed for a while
without my knowledge), when these forms are left open for 30-60 seconds
without any activity, the users receive the following errors:
 
ODBC-call failed.
[Microsoft][ODBC DLL]Function sequence error (#0)
 
Doing an intensive Google search, I determined that this message may be the
result of thunking between a single-threaded driver (16-bit ODBC.DLL) and a
multi-threaded driver (32-bit SQLSRV32.DLL).  One suggestion was to add the
following entry to the msacc20.ini file:
 
[ODBC]
DisableAsync=1
 
This is supposed to disable asynchronous processing, but I still get the
same error.  
 
I know that this is a shot in the dark, but there has to be someone out
there who has experienced this.  Any ideas?

Brett Barabash, MCP 
Tappe Construction, Co. 
Eagan, MN 
bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com 
(651) 256-6831 

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cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey

 

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 17:33:12 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:33:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
	-accessquestion
In-Reply-To: <3F9E290F.2830.3C3BE99@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEHLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Stuart:
I store application information in a table. One piece of info I store is a
graphic (as an OLE object field). I have always diplayed this on my SysInfo
form, which was a bound form. Since I use the exact same table and SysInfo
form in every application I create, I moved it to my common code library. I
changed the entire form to work from the library and had to change the
fields drawn from the table to unbound. Everything works fine now EXCEPT the
graphic. The graphic will always be stored in the table and will not be
moved to being kept as a file.

So the question is, how do I go about reading an OLE field from the table
and presenting it for display on an unbound form?
I am trying to read it into a variant and place it into an unbound object
frame. I am not succeeding.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
> -accessquestion
>
>
> On 27 Oct 2003 at 16:10, John Bartow wrote:
>
> > Hi Charlotte,
> > Thanks for responding. Yes there is a reason it is stored. It
> is the only
> > image I store in any of my database apps. The rest I use from
> files as you
> > suggested. This is probably why I don't have a clue as to what
> to do here.
> >
> > I could spend a couple of hours reading up on it but I thought
> somebody here
> > would have some experience in doing this and be able to point me in the
> > right direction :o)
> >
>
> Just drop a Bound Object Frame on the form and set it's source to
> =DLookup("myImage","MyTable")
>
> --
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 18:13:30 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:13:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
	-accessquestion
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEHLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <3F9E290F.2830.3C3BE99@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F9E414A.4491.4226B7E@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 17:33, John Bartow wrote:

> Hi Stuart:
> I store application information in a table. One piece of info I store is a
> graphic (as an OLE object field). I have always diplayed this on my SysInfo
> form, which was a bound form. Since I use the exact same table and SysInfo
> form in every application I create, I moved it to my common code library. I
> changed the entire form to work from the library and had to change the
> fields drawn from the table to unbound. Everything works fine now EXCEPT the
> graphic. The graphic will always be stored in the table and will not be
> moved to being kept as a file.
> 
> So the question is, how do I go about reading an OLE field from the table
> and presenting it for display on an unbound form?
> I am trying to read it into a variant and place it into an unbound object
> frame. I am not succeeding.
> 

Doesn't matter whether the form is bound or not. Still use a Bound Object 
Frame and assign it's source to the field in the table using DLookup. It 
will work.
-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Oct 27 18:18:03 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:18:03 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even
	ridiculous-accessquestion
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEHLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00b001c39ce8$f44ae2c0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi John

Change your OLE Control on the form to a Bound OLE Control
(This worked for me)

Assume you have a table called tblTable1
In it is an OLE Field already populated with say...a bitmap file.
The field name in the tblTable1 is OLE_THINGY (Data Type = OLE Object)

Try
Private Sub MyButton_Click()

Dim varOLETHING As Variant
varOLETHING = DLookup("[OLE_THINGY]", "tblTable1")
Me.MyOLEBoundObjectFrameOnMyForm = varOLETHING

End sub

HTH

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous-accessquestion


> Hi Stuart:
> I store application information in a table. One piece of info I store is a
> graphic (as an OLE object field). I have always diplayed this on my SysInfo
> form, which was a bound form. Since I use the exact same table and SysInfo
> form in every application I create, I moved it to my common code library. I
> changed the entire form to work from the library and had to change the
> fields drawn from the table to unbound. Everything works fine now EXCEPT the
> graphic. The graphic will always be stored in the table and will not be
> moved to being kept as a file.
> 
> So the question is, how do I go about reading an OLE field from the table
> and presenting it for display on an unbound form?
> I am trying to read it into a variant and place it into an unbound object
> frame. I am not succeeding.
> 
> JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:30 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
> > -accessquestion
> >
> >
> > On 27 Oct 2003 at 16:10, John Bartow wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Charlotte,
> > > Thanks for responding. Yes there is a reason it is stored. It
> > is the only
> > > image I store in any of my database apps. The rest I use from
> > files as you
> > > suggested. This is probably why I don't have a clue as to what
> > to do here.
> > >
> > > I could spend a couple of hours reading up on it but I thought
> > somebody here
> > > would have some experience in doing this and be able to point me in the
> > > right direction :o)
> > >
> >
> > Just drop a Bound Object Frame on the form and set it's source to
> > =DLookup("myImage","MyTable")
> >
> > --
> > Stuart McLachlan
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct 27 18:26:12 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADMINISTRIVIA - PLEASE READ
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCENLDGAA.askolits@ot.com>
References: <3F9C0759.8128.5C0DC@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F9D7154.19611.22C93AB@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 10:45, John Skolits wrote:

> Can you tell us which code was posted? I'm worried that maybe it was
> some code I posted.

John,

It was some code from Visual Basic Language Developer's Handbook, the 
companion book to ADH.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier.



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 18:52:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:52:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in Tribble's
	Relinker
Message-ID: <02a501c39ced$c25fdb30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>


Dear List:

I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to modify
this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster over
a network?

MTIA and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software


From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 27 18:55:36 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:55:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <200310272130.h9RLUo604718@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031027185406.014757e8@pop3.highstream.net>

Frank,

Do it the correct way, with one table.
Hide it.
Give 3 queries that give her the data
each way she wanted to see it.

Robert

At 03:30 PM 10/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:06:20 -0800 (PST)
>From: Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20031027200620.90473.qmail at web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
>special needs for each of the tables being seperate.
>When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
>department, do it the way you were requested" answer.


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 19:13:18 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:13:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even
	ridiculous-accessquestion
In-Reply-To: <3F9E414A.4491.4226B7E@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEHNEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks to everyone for helping me out!

I changed the control type to bound and everything works fine now.

Dim varAppIcon As Variant
With rstTemp
	.Edit
      strAppName = !fldAppName
      strVersion = !fldVersion
      varAppIcon = !fldAppIcon
	etc...
      .Close
End With
Me.imgAppIcon = varAppIcon

Thanks again!
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even
> ridiculous-accessquestion
>
>
> On 27 Oct 2003 at 17:33, John Bartow wrote:
>
> > Hi Stuart:
> > I store application information in a table. One piece of info I
> store is a
> > graphic (as an OLE object field). I have always diplayed this
> on my SysInfo
> > form, which was a bound form. Since I use the exact same table
> and SysInfo
> > form in every application I create, I moved it to my common
> code library. I
> > changed the entire form to work from the library and had to change the
> > fields drawn from the table to unbound. Everything works fine
> now EXCEPT the
> > graphic. The graphic will always be stored in the table and will not be
> > moved to being kept as a file.
> >
> > So the question is, how do I go about reading an OLE field from
> the table
> > and presenting it for display on an unbound form?
> > I am trying to read it into a variant and place it into an
> unbound object
> > frame. I am not succeeding.
> >
>
> Doesn't matter whether the form is bound or not. Still use a Bound Object
> Frame and assign it's source to the field in the table using DLookup. It
> will work.
> --
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
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>
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 27 19:27:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:27:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
	Tribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <02a501c39ced$c25fdb30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJNFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Rocky,

Here's what I did:

*********
On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::

Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset per
BE to speed up db
'compiler directive for the logger
#Const LogIt = True
#Const TimeIt = False

*********
Then add in a new function below:

'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the Table.
' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
'
' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String) As
Boolean
   Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
   Dim var As Variant

   On Error Resume Next
   Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
   If err <> 0 Then
      fLinkIsValidNew = False
   Else
      fLinkIsValidNew = True
      'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
      colRst.Add rst, db.Name
   End If
   On Error GoTo 0

End Function

*********
Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name as
the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset, but
won't accept any others because the key would be the same.


*********
On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:

         LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
#Const TestNew = True
#If TestNew Then
         If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
#Else
         If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
#End If
            'LogResult "[OK]"
            '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
            '.valid table link is found.
            If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then

*********
Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function instead
of the old.

That should do it for you.  Let me know.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
Tribble'sRelinker



Dear List:

I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to modify
this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster over
a network?

MTIA and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct 27 19:51:32 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:51:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
Message-ID: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 15:15, Klos, Susan wrote:

> We are on a Novel Network.  When we create a database on the sun
> server downstairs, those of us with AccessXP cannot execute it from
> the server. Even though we have execute rights on the server and on
> the files.  The operating system on the box is Unix.  When we try to
> execute an mdb residing on the server we get this message:
> 
> "Microsoft Access cannot open this file.  This file is located outside
> out intranet or on an untrusted site.  Microsoft Access will not open
> the file due to potential security problems.  To open the file, copy
> it to youro machine or an accessible network location."  

> Can someone help us out of this situation?  Thanks.

I'm not sure how the Sun box is connected to the Novell network, but 
*IF* it running Samba to get it connected to the network, then I 
*THINK* it may have something to do with the version of Samba or one 
of the settings in the Samba config file on the Sun box.

I seem to recall reading something like this a while back. It may 
have been fixed by V3.0 of Samba

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend 
will be sitting next to you saying ^Damn... We ****ed up.^



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 23:44:21 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:44:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging indent -
that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with the
bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to the
text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted list in
a Word doc.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not concatenate
> it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
>    Dear List:
>
> I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which are
> printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate
> header text.
>
> I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far,
so
> good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> properties for each piece of boilerplate.
>
> Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with the
> detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the
> label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that because
> the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
>
> (bullet)  Text One.
> (bullet)  Text Two.
>
> It comes out like this:
>
>              Text One.
> (bullet)
>              Text Two.
> (bullet)
>
> Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted list
> in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 01:35:57 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:35:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: 	<018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...picky, picky, picky :)
...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with your
text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
indent -
> that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with the
> bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to the
> text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted list
in
> a Word doc.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
concatenate
> > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> >    Dear List:
> >
> > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
are
> > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate
> > header text.
> >
> > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far,
> so
> > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> >
> > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
the
> > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the
> > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
because
> > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> >
> > (bullet)  Text One.
> > (bullet)  Text Two.
> >
> > It comes out like this:
> >
> >              Text One.
> > (bullet)
> >              Text Two.
> > (bullet)
> >
> > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
list
> > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 28 02:49:22 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:49:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>
References: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>
Message-ID: <1052928150.20031028094922@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

Samba is not related to a Novell network. It is for letting a Linux
server acting as a Windows server in a Windows environment.

/gustav


> I'm not sure how the Sun box is connected to the Novell network, but
> *IF* it running Samba to get it connected to the network, then I 
> *THINK* it may have something to do with the version of Samba or one 
> of the settings in the Samba config file on the Sun box.

> I seem to recall reading something like this a while back. It may 
> have been fixed by V3.0 of Samba


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 28 03:16:33 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:16:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
References: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
Message-ID: <1654559065.20031028101633@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

You mean "launch"? Execute right is for executable files (.exe, .com)
which an mdb file is not.

Make sure you are granted at least read right for the mdb file which
you probably have as you can copy the file. Further, you must have
read/write right for the ldb file and create right if any user are
granted delete right for ldb files.

Also, are you able to create a new mdb file on that server?

However, if you can go to a Win2000 machine and log in using your
normal account and launch the mdb file successfully with Access XP,
then this looks like a Windows XP problem which I would pass to your
notwork people.

/gustav


> We are on a Novel Network.  When we create a database on the sun server
> downstairs, those of us with AccessXP cannot execute it from the server.
> Even though we have execute rights on the server and on the files.  The
> operating system on the box is Unix.  When we try to execute an mdb residing
> on the server we get this message:

> "Microsoft Access cannot open this file.  This file is located outside out
> intranet or on an untrusted site.  Microsoft Access will not open the file
> due to potential security problems.  To open the file, copy it to youro
> machine or an accessible network location."  

> We have to copy it to our hard drives as we use really large databases and
> they won't store on any of the other servers in the department.  Those of us
> with windows 2000 or windows 98 do not have any trouble executing any Access
> databases on the server.  Even those created in XP.  

> Can someone help us out of this situation?  Thanks.


From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 28 03:39:34 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:39:34 +0100
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OF4E7ADCDC.3DD35C22-ONC1256DCD.00350ED9@achmea.nl>

Robert,

Thanks. I will install MSDE and keep you and the group posted about my
findings.

Gr. marcel




"Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
22-10-2003 17:56:34

Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com


Aan:  accessd at databaseadvisors.com
cc:   marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Marcel,

Looks like you are doing everything right.

Since you are using 2000, I would explore using
the MSDE for the backend.  You would be fine on
the number of users it is designed for.  Then I
would convert everything to an ADP and use ADO.
I have found that on one of my large forms, 8
subforms with 2 sub-subforms, in MDE it loaded
in about 15 seconds, in ADP < 2 seconds.

Sorry that I cannot give you any more advise than
that.

Robert

At 08:45 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:25 +0200
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <OFBDBE24B3.31190D20-ONC1256DC6.00304900 at achmea.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Robert,
>
>    The FE is always an MDE and is 11MB in size. De BE is always een MDB
>    which differs from 24 to 150 MB
>    Generaly there are five users who are updating and entering data and
>    about 2 users who only read data
>    The FE is always local on the computers. The BE is always in f:
>    \oop\oopdata.mdb
>     Alle forms are showing a limited no of records and are never bounded
to
>    a table
>
>
>Thanks Marcel


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 28 04:32:21 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:32:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <1052928150.20031028094922@cactus.dk>
References: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F9DFF65.29193.164DB1@localhost>

On 28 Oct 2003 at 9:49, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Samba is not related to a Novell network. It is for letting a Linux
> server acting as a Windows server in a Windows environment.

I wasn't sure if you needed Samba to hook up a *nix box to a Novell 
Network or not, that's why I threw it out there.

But that's not all Samba is for. You can use it to have full 
Read/Write permissions on remote  NTFS drives under Linux. Linux has 
built in Read capabilities for mounted NTFS drives, but not write. If 
you install Samba, you get the write abilities because you end up 
mounting an SMB drive and not an NTFS one.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Oct 28 04:45:21 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:45:21 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031028075546.022d8730@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <00eb01c39d40$96263520$9111758f@aine>

David

Have a look at this. Create a simple chart using ASP and HTML. Of the web.
Creates a simple bar chart. So it is possible. More complex examples are
available using .NET and there are lots of third party controls etc
available.

For the reports have a look at this

http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/AccessReporterForIIS/

I am not unbaised re this companies software as they provide me with free
licences for some of thier products.


-------------------------------------------------------
Chart script.
-------------------------------------------------------

<%@ LANGUAGE="VBSCRIPT" %>
<% Option Explicit %>

<!--#include virtual="/adovbs.inc"-->

<%
'How many pixels high we want our bar graph
Const graphHeight = 300
Const graphWidth = 450
Const barImage = "bluebar.gif"


sub BarChart(data, labels, title, axislabel)
	'Print heading
	Response.Write("<TABLE CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=1 BORDER=0 WIDTH=" &
graphWidth & ">" & chr(13))
	Response.Write("<TR><TH COLSPAN=" & UBound(data) - LBound(data) + 2 & ">")
	Response.Write("<FONT SIZE=+2>" & title & "</FONT></TH></TR>" & chr(13))
	Response.Write("<TR><TD VALIGN=TOP ALIGN=RIGHT>" & chr(13))

	'Find the highest value
	Dim hi
	hi = data(LBound(data))

	Dim i
	for i = LBound(data) to UBound(data) - 1
		if data(i) > hi then hi = data(i)
	next

	'Print out the highest value at the top of the chart
	Response.Write(hi & "</TD>")

	Dim widthpercent
	widthpercent = CInt((1 / (UBound(data) - LBound(data) + 1)) * 100)

	For i = LBound(data) to UBound(data) - 1
		Response.Write(" <TD VALIGN=BOTTOM ROWSPAN=2 WIDTH=" & widthpercent & "%
>" & chr(13))
		Response.Write("   <IMG SRC=""" & barImage & """ WIDTH=100% HEIGHT=" &
CInt(data(i)/hi * graphHeight) & ">" & chr(13))
		Response.Write(" </TD>" & chr(13))
	Next

	Response.Write("</TR>")
	Response.Write("<TR><TD VALIGN=BOTTOM ALIGN=RIGHT>0</TD></TR>")

	'Write footer
	Response.Write("<TR><TD ALIGN=RIGHT VALIGN=BOTTOM>" & axislabel & "</TD>" &
chr(13))
	for i = LBound(labels) to UBound(labels) - 1
		Response.Write("<TD VALIGN=BOTTOM ALIGN=CENTER>" & labels(i) & "</TD>" &
chr(13))
	next
	Response.Write("</TR>" & chr(13))
	Response.Write("</TABLE>")
end sub


'Open connection to database
Dim objConnection
Set objConnection = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
objConnection.Open "DSN=Products"

Dim strSQL
strSQL = "SELECT Name,UnitsSold FROM Products"

Dim rsProducts
Set rsProducts = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
rsProducts.Open strSQL, objConnection, adOpenStatic


Dim numRecords
numRecords = rsProducts.RecordCount

Dim unitsSoldArray(), labelArray()
Redim unitsSoldArray(numRecords)
Redim labelArray(numRecords)

Dim i
for i = 0 to numRecords-1
	unitsSoldArray(i) = rsProducts("UnitsSold")
	labelArray(i) = rsProducts("Name")
	rsProducts.MoveNext
next

%>

<HTML>
<BODY>
<CENTER>
<% BarChart unitsSoldArray,labelArray,"Units Sold","Product" %>
</CENTER>
</BODY>
</HTML>

<%
	rsProducts.Close
	Set rsProducts = Nothing

	objConnection.Close
	Set objConnection = Nothing
%>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>; <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project


> Thanks Drew,  I might need to take a different approach to solve the
> problem.  If I could make the updating easier for the users this would go
a
> long way.  Currently they need to go to a web site, click on a file and
> save it to their local drive, then click on a shortcut to install the
update.
>
> Can anyone give me pointers/HTML code for automating this into one step -
> they just click on the web site link and the file is downloaded to the
> local drive (always to the same location on every ones machine), then an
> installation file is started which handles the updating.
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> DALYN Software Ltd
> 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
> At 27/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Okay David, I took at look at that database, finally, sorry, had a long
> >week.  The data entry portion would be a snap to convert to ASP pages.
Rough
> >estimate of 6 hours.  The reports are DEFINITELY going to be a problem
> >though.  Some look pretty simple, and those could be converted to
HTML/ASP.
> >However, I saw one with a graph.  Oh, those are show stoppers when it
comes
> >to HTML, because just plain HTML doesn't play well with graphs.  Now, you
> >could still create those reports in access, and possible use scripting to
> >force print them.  There are two possibilities there.  One, messing with
> >printers/printing with client side scripting on the web is a pain.  There
> >are ActiveX controls out there that make life a lot easier, but they cost
> >money...not sure how much, probably at least one or two hundred.  Another
> >possibility would be to create a VB FE, that runs on the clients
machines.
> >It's a snap to make a browser in VB, so it could just interact with the
> >webpages, just like IE would.  But then when it came time for the
reports,
> >you run them from the server, VB 'downloads' them, and VB can then
display
> >or print them.  Just a thought....and a wild one at that, because I've
never
> >done that, but 95% of what I do in VB I've never done before! <grin>
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:01 PM
> >To: Drew Wutka
> >Subject: Web based Project (Dalyn Software)
> >
> >
> >Drew,
> >
> >Thanks for your time today.
> >
> >Here is the file.  If you unzip it to a folder called C:\BWS then the FE
> >will link to the BE.
> >
> >Call me if you have any questions (below is a free phone number to NZ).
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >David Emerson
> >DALYN Software Ltd
> >25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> >Wellington, New Zealand
> >Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 28 04:47:50 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:47:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <3F9DFF65.29193.164DB1@localhost>
References: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>
	<3F9DFF65.29193.164DB1@localhost>
Message-ID: <15110035900.20031028114750@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

>> Samba is not related to a Novell network. It is for letting a Linux
>> server acting as a Windows server in a Windows environment.

> I wasn't sure if you needed Samba to hook up a *nix box to a Novell 
> Network or not, that's why I threw it out there.

> But that's not all Samba is for. You can use it to have full 
> Read/Write permissions on remote  NTFS drives under Linux. Linux has 
> built in Read capabilities for mounted NTFS drives, but not write. If 
> you install Samba, you get the write abilities because you end up 
> mounting an SMB drive and not an NTFS one.

That's right and I think NetWare 6.x has some optional SMB
capabilities as well. However, normally you connect to a NetWare
environment using the NetWare Client, don't you Susan?

/gustav


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 04:24:58 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:24:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028112455.259082747C4@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Hi folks
If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
disabling the app?
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 28 05:46:09 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:46:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <20031028112455.259082747C4@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F9EE3A1.7780.10DA61E@localhost>

On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi folks
> If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
> user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
> putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
> disabling the app?
> --

One way would be to open another form  modally ie. 
"WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the 
routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has 
finished.





 
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Support.




From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 05:49:46 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:49:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
References: <20031028112455.259082747C4@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000501c39d49$961f4130$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
pop-up ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi folks
> If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
> user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
> putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
> disabling the app?
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 05:04:50 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028120448.3FBEF2FB826@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Hi William
That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 16:51


....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
pop-up ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi folks
> If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
> user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
> putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
> disabling the app?
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 05:07:43 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:07:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028120741.192B82A1A88@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Stuart.
Exactly William's thought. Blimey we could have a consensus here.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 01:48


On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi folks
> If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
> user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
> putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
> disabling the app?
> --

One way would be to open another form modally ie.
"WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the
routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has
finished.






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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 06:17:16 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:17:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
References: <20031028120448.3FBEF2FB826@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001401c39d4d$6d62a5d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
...I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > ________________________________________________
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> >
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> >
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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 28 06:31:30 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:31:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
In-Reply-To: <02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEEDFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

William

***************************************************
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
	txtBullet = Null
	txtBullet.Visible = False
Else
	txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
	txtBullet.Visible = True
End If
End Sub
***************************************************

Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
CanShrink=Yes.

Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.

Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:

 [_] [_____________________________]

I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


...picky, picky, picky :)
...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with your
text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
indent -
> that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with the
> bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to the
> text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted list
in
> a Word doc.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
concatenate
> > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> >    Dear List:
> >
> > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
are
> > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate
> > header text.
> >
> > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far,
> so
> > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> >
> > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
the
> > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the
> > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
because
> > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> >
> > (bullet)  Text One.
> > (bullet)  Text Two.
> >
> > It comes out like this:
> >
> >              Text One.
> > (bullet)
> >              Text Two.
> > (bullet)
> >
> > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
list
> > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 06:43:28 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:43:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEEDFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <002901c39d51$16945ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Bob

...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you show
the bullet or not?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> William
>
> ***************************************************
> Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
> txtBullet = Null
> txtBullet.Visible = False
> Else
> txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> txtBullet.Visible = True
> End If
> End Sub
> ***************************************************
>
> Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
> CanShrink=Yes.
>
> Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
>
> Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
>
>  [_] [_____________________________]
>
> I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> ...picky, picky, picky :)
> ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
your
> text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> indent -
> > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
the
> > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
the
> > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
list
> in
> > a Word doc.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> concatenate
> > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > >    Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
> are
> > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
boilerplate
> > > header text.
> > >
> > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
far,
> > so
> > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > >
> > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
> the
> > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
the
> > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> because
> > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > >
> > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > >
> > > It comes out like this:
> > >
> > >              Text One.
> > > (bullet)
> > >              Text Two.
> > > (bullet)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
> list
> > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue Oct 28 07:10:26 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:10:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
Message-ID: <sf9e2482.063@cbc.ca>

I wasn't sure how the Sun Box connected to the Novell Network, that's
why I tossed the Samba comment out.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 28-Oct-03 5:47:50 AM >>>
Hi Bryan

>> Samba is not related to a Novell network. It is for letting a Linux
>> server acting as a Windows server in a Windows environment.

> I wasn't sure if you needed Samba to hook up a *nix box to a Novell 
> Network or not, that's why I threw it out there.

> But that's not all Samba is for. You can use it to have full 
> Read/Write permissions on remote  NTFS drives under Linux. Linux has

> built in Read capabilities for mounted NTFS drives, but not write. If

> you install Samba, you get the write abilities because you end up 
> mounting an SMB drive and not an NTFS one.

That's right and I think NetWare 6.x has some optional SMB
capabilities as well. However, normally you connect to a NetWare
environment using the NetWare Client, don't you Susan?

/gustav


From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Tue Oct 28 07:07:45 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:07:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Security issue with XP
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2515@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

Unfortunately, Stuart, our department will not support 2000 and refuse to
put it on new machines.  The only reason some of our machines have it is
that our boss at the time (now-retired) insisted that we get new machines
with the newest OS and this was before XP came out.  Anybody have any other
suggestions?  A patch?  A work around?

On 27 Oct 2003 at 15:15, Klos, Susan wrote:

> 
> We have to copy it to our hard drives as we use really large databases and
> they won't store on any of the other servers in the department.  Those of
us
> with windows 2000 or windows 98 do not have any trouble executing any
Access
> databases on the server.  Even those created in XP.  
> 

Upgrade the workstations from XP to 2000 :-)
(I won't let my clients use XP - I've seen too many problems with it, 
especially in mixed OS networks)


 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 28 07:30:35 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:30:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <sf9e2482.063@cbc.ca>
References: <sf9e2482.063@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <16719800942.20031028143035@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

I would assume it runs with eDirectory for Solaris - but who knows
except the notwork people of Susan ...

/gustav


> I wasn't sure how the Sun Box connected to the Novell Network, that's
> why I tossed the Samba comment out.


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 07:33:24 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:33:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: 	<018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <003401c39d58$101e4d10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Rocky

...this works for me in an AXP test mdb ...gives an indented text box with a
bullet or an unindented text box without a bullet.

...in your report detail section, place an image control (imgImage0) with a
bullet image embedded ...to the left of it place your textbox (txtText1)
where you want the indent to start.

...place this in your reports cbf detail DetailFormat

Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    If Reports!Report1.Controls!imgImage0.Visible = False Then
        Reports!Report1.Controls!txtText1.Move Left:=300
    Else
        MsgBox "duh"
    End If
End Sub

...adjust the move figure until it fits where you want it to reflect an
unindented text placement ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> ...picky, picky, picky :)
> ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
your
> text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> indent -
> > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
the
> > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
the
> > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
list
> in
> > a Word doc.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> concatenate
> > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > >    Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
> are
> > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
boilerplate
> > > header text.
> > >
> > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
far,
> > so
> > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > >
> > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
> the
> > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
the
> > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> because
> > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > >
> > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > >
> > > It comes out like this:
> > >
> > >              Text One.
> > > (bullet)
> > >              Text Two.
> > > (bullet)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
> list
> > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 28 08:15:22 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:15:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Yes.  Another Silly Access Question
In-Reply-To: <200310271800.h9RI0V632462@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028080737.02888e30@pop3.highstream.net>

Frank,

This is still just a status.  But, it seems that
no one is going to convince you to design it the
correct way.  The correct way to avoid any possible
duplication is to have them in the same table.
A bad design is a bad design.  No amount of logic
you try to apply to it is going to change that.

With your design, you are going to have to synchronize
the future questionnaire people with the completed
and declined when they either complete it or decline
to complete it.  Where with a correct design, it is
a simple status change.

Good luck.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
>From: Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20031027175553.64430.qmail at web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
>by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
>possibility of duplication.
>
>The reason why we're moving them to different tables
>after processing is for marketing to keep track of
>different functions based upon the data in tables
>specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
>fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
>that decline to go into another table, and customers
>that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
>into yet another table.
>
>The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
>yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
>doing at a particular given point in time.



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 08:27:07 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:27:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<003401c39d58$101e4d10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <008901c39d5f$90f9cd90$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I think the catch here is that because the text box starts out with zero
height and Can Grow is true, during the Print it's pushing the bullet down
below the text box.  They can't seem to end up on the same line.  I tried
putting the .Top of the bullet to the .Top of the text box in the OnPrint
event but you can't set it there.

But then I'm putting the bullet in a label with a zero height and setting
the height to about 250 to make it visible when fldBullet is set to true.
I'll try the image control and see what happens.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Rocky
>
> ...this works for me in an AXP test mdb ...gives an indented text box with
a
> bullet or an unindented text box without a bullet.
>
> ...in your report detail section, place an image control (imgImage0) with
a
> bullet image embedded ...to the left of it place your textbox (txtText1)
> where you want the indent to start.
>
> ...place this in your reports cbf detail DetailFormat
>
> Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>     If Reports!Report1.Controls!imgImage0.Visible = False Then
>         Reports!Report1.Controls!txtText1.Move Left:=300
>     Else
>         MsgBox "duh"
>     End If
> End Sub
>
> ...adjust the move figure until it fits where you want it to reflect an
> unindented text placement ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
> your
> > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > indent -
> > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
> the
> > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
> the
> > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
> list
> > in
> > > a Word doc.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > concatenate
> > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
which
> > are
> > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> boilerplate
> > > > header text.
> > > >
> > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
> far,
> > > so
> > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
Italic
> > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > >
> > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
tried
> > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
with
> > the
> > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
> the
> > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> > because
> > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > >
> > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > >
> > > > It comes out like this:
> > > >
> > > >              Text One.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >              Text Two.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
bulleted
> > list
> > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 08:36:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:36:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <001401c39d4d$6d62a5d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker.  This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects.  It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc.  The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


...can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
...I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 28 08:44:29 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:44:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Yes.  Another Silly Access Question
In-Reply-To: <20031028143928.12745.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028083528.00b66d90@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028084142.02808dd0@pop3.highstream.net>

Someone did answer it.

Create table query for local table.
Delete query for original source.
Append query for final destination.
Delete object for local table.

Robert

At 06:39 AM 10/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>I am not the one that broug up "right way" vs "wrong
>way".  Hell, it wasn't even a part of my question,
>except in an incidental way.
>
>My actual question was never even answered because it
>got lost in all of the chaff.
>
>My question WAS how to peel off one record off of the
>top and make a table with just that data.  That
>simple.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Somewhere that
>all got lost in the "This is the right way to do it."
>
>--- "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
>wrote:
> > My point was that further discussion is ridiculous
> > because nothing is going to change.
> >
> > At 06:19 AM 10/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >You seem to fail to understand.
> > >
> > >Right way, wrong way.  She's the one with my job in
> > >her hands.  I design it her way or I hit the
> > highway.
> > >You are under the, mistaken, impression that I have
> > a
> > >choice in the matter.
> > >
> > >--- "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
> > >wrote:
> > > > Frank,
> > > >
> > > > This is still just a status.  But, it seems that
> > > > no one is going to convince you to design it the
> > > > correct way.  The correct way to avoid any
> > possible
> > > > duplication is to have them in the same table.
> > > > A bad design is a bad design.  No amount of
> > logic
> > > > you try to apply to it is going to change that.
> > > >
> > > > With your design, you are going to have to
> > > > synchronize
> > > > the future questionnaire people with the
> > completed
> > > > and declined when they either complete it or
> > decline
> > > > to complete it.  Where with a correct design, it
> > is
> > > > a simple status change.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > > At 12:00 PM 10/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > > >Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
> > > > >From: Frank Tanner III
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > >         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >Message-ID:
> > > >
> > <20031027175553.64430.qmail at web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
> > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > > >
> > > > >Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > > accessed
> > > > >by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY
> > > > >possibility of duplication.
> > > > >
> > > > >The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > > tables
> > > > >after processing is for marketing to keep track
> > of
> > > > >different functions based upon the data in
> > tables
> > > > >specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers
> > that
> > > > >fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > > customers
> > > > >that decline to go into another table, and
> > > > customers
> > > > >that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > later
> > > > go
> > > > >into yet another table.
> > > > >
> > > > >The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > > possible
> > > > >yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone
> > > > is
> > > > >doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 08:57:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:57:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List - Solved
References: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<003401c39d58$101e4d10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<008901c39d5f$90f9cd90$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00b201c39d63$cbb3fec0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

OK.  So I solved it the really stupid way.  It occurred to me that the text
box does not have to start at zero height because there will always be at
least one line.  So I made it the height of one line with Can Grow - True
and the label with the bullet next to it (set Visible/Invisible, depending
on the record) and it works just fine.

Next up, he wants the option for a numbered list as well (sigh).

With egg on face, I remain,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> I think the catch here is that because the text box starts out with zero
> height and Can Grow is true, during the Print it's pushing the bullet down
> below the text box.  They can't seem to end up on the same line.  I tried
> putting the .Top of the bullet to the .Top of the text box in the OnPrint
> event but you can't set it there.
>
> But then I'm putting the bullet in a label with a zero height and setting
> the height to about 250 to make it visible when fldBullet is set to true.
> I'll try the image control and see what happens.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Rocky
> >
> > ...this works for me in an AXP test mdb ...gives an indented text box
with
> a
> > bullet or an unindented text box without a bullet.
> >
> > ...in your report detail section, place an image control (imgImage0)
with
> a
> > bullet image embedded ...to the left of it place your textbox (txtText1)
> > where you want the indent to start.
> >
> > ...place this in your reports cbf detail DetailFormat
> >
> > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> >     If Reports!Report1.Controls!imgImage0.Visible = False Then
> >         Reports!Report1.Controls!txtText1.Move Left:=300
> >     Else
> >         MsgBox "duh"
> >     End If
> > End Sub
> >
> > ...adjust the move figure until it fits where you want it to reflect an
> > unindented text placement ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline
with
> > your
> > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH
:)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > > indent -
> > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted
with
> > the
> > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet
to
> > the
> > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
> > list
> > > in
> > > > a Word doc.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > > concatenate
> > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > > lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
> which
> > > are
> > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> > boilerplate
> > > > > header text.
> > > > >
> > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.
So
> > far,
> > > > so
> > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
> Italic
> > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
> tried
> > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
> with
> > > the
> > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I
make
> > the
> > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> > > because
> > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > > >
> > > > > It comes out like this:
> > > > >
> > > > >              Text One.
> > > > > (bullet)
> > > > >              Text Two.
> > > > > (bullet)
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
> bulleted
> > > list
> > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
> >
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 09:03:53 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:03:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List - Solved
References: 	<018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><003401c39d58$101e4d10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><008901c39d5f$90f9cd90$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<00b201c39d63$cbb3fec0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00a901c39d64$b43fdb00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...works for you, works for me ...especially the egg ...wear it all the time
:)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List - Solved


> OK.  So I solved it the really stupid way.  It occurred to me that the
text
> box does not have to start at zero height because there will always be at
> least one line.  So I made it the height of one line with Can Grow - True
> and the label with the bullet next to it (set Visible/Invisible, depending
> on the record) and it works just fine.
>
> Next up, he wants the option for a numbered list as well (sigh).
>
> With egg on face, I remain,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > I think the catch here is that because the text box starts out with zero
> > height and Can Grow is true, during the Print it's pushing the bullet
down
> > below the text box.  They can't seem to end up on the same line.  I
tried
> > putting the .Top of the bullet to the .Top of the text box in the
OnPrint
> > event but you can't set it there.
> >
> > But then I'm putting the bullet in a label with a zero height and
setting
> > the height to about 250 to make it visible when fldBullet is set to
true.
> > I'll try the image control and see what happens.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ...this works for me in an AXP test mdb ...gives an indented text box
> with
> > a
> > > bullet or an unindented text box without a bullet.
> > >
> > > ...in your report detail section, place an image control (imgImage0)
> with
> > a
> > > bullet image embedded ...to the left of it place your textbox
(txtText1)
> > > where you want the indent to start.
> > >
> > > ...place this in your reports cbf detail DetailFormat
> > >
> > > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> > >     If Reports!Report1.Controls!imgImage0.Visible = False Then
> > >         Reports!Report1.Controls!txtText1.Move Left:=300
> > >     Else
> > >         MsgBox "duh"
> > >     End If
> > > End Sub
> > >
> > > ...adjust the move figure until it fits where you want it to reflect
an
> > > unindented text placement ...HTH :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline
> with
> > > your
> > > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH
> :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > > > indent -
> > > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted
> with
> > > the
> > > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet
> to
> > > the
> > > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a
bulleted
> > > list
> > > > in
> > > > > a Word doc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > > > concatenate
> > > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > > > lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    Dear List:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
> > which
> > > > are
> > > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> > > boilerplate
> > > > > > header text.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.
> So
> > > far,
> > > > > so
> > > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
> > Italic
> > > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
> > tried
> > > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I
> make
> > > the
> > > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except
that
> > > > because
> > > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It comes out like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              Text One.
> > > > > > (bullet)
> > > > > >              Text Two.
> > > > > > (bullet)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
> > bulleted
> > > > list
> > > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MTIA,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 08:20:52 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:20:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028152048.3090726F0DD@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get home though cos
am on user site and they only have A97.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 19:38


OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects. It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 08:21:36 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:21:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028152132.192DD28713E@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

:-)
Yes I thought that. The opportunities for screw-ups on the error handling
are pretty interesting.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 17:18


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 28 09:33:15 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:33:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
In-Reply-To: <002901c39d51$16945ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJMEEFFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Rocky/William

I forgot about the user decision ...

Put two unbound text boxes on the report, each set to grow/shrink.
Make one the full length, and the other the short length that is
indented to allow for the bullet. Set the values according to the
user's bullet decision:

***************************************************
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
If booTextBulletProperty = True Then
	If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
		txtBullet = Null
		txtBullet.Visible = False
		txtTextBoxShort = txtTextBox
		txtTextBoxShort.Visible = True
		txtTextBoxLong = Null
		txtTextBoxLong.Visible = False
	Else
		txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
		txtBullet.Visible = True
		txtTextBoxShort = txtTextBox
		txtTextBoxShort.Visible = True
		txtTextBoxLong = Null
		txtTextBoxLong.Visible = False
	End If
End If
End Sub
***************************************************

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 07:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


Bob

...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you show
the bullet or not?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> William
>
> ***************************************************
> Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
> txtBullet = Null
> txtBullet.Visible = False
> Else
> txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> txtBullet.Visible = True
> End If
> End Sub
> ***************************************************
>
> Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
> CanShrink=Yes.
>
> Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
>
> Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
>
>  [_] [_____________________________]
>
> I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> ...picky, picky, picky :)
> ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
your
> text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> indent -
> > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
the
> > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
the
> > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
list
> in
> > a Word doc.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> concatenate
> > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > >    Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
> are
> > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
boilerplate
> > > header text.
> > >
> > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
far,
> > so
> > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > >
> > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
> the
> > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
the
> > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> because
> > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > >
> > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > >
> > > It comes out like this:
> > >
> > >              Text One.
> > > (bullet)
> > >              Text Two.
> > > (bullet)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
> list
> > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 09:44:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:44:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <20031028152048.3090726F0DD@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELLFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Andy,

It's now up there in A97 format if you need it immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get home though cos
am on user site and they only have A97.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 19:38


OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects. It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> >
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 09:50:38 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:50:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <Sea1-F148QBUZK0LkKx00018c0f@hotmail.com>

I tried to use your demo, John, and it worked beautifully except it always 
counted to 1 + my number (i.e. I entered 51, it counted to 51).  Should this 
be taken into account or is there a way to get it to stop at your number?

Thanks,
Gina


From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:44:24 -0500

Andy,

It's now up there in A97 format if you need it immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get home though cos
am on user site and they only have A97.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 19:38


OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects. It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


 > Hi William
 > That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
 > Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
 > routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
 >
 > --
 > Andy Lacey
 > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > --------- Original Message --------
 > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
 > Date: 28/10/03 16:51
 >
 >
 > ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
 > modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
 > your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
 > pop-up ...HTH :)
 >
 > William Hindman
 > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
 >
 >
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
 > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
 > Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
 >
 >
 > > Hi folks
 > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
 > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
 > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if 
they
 > > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they 
could
 > > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
 > > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
 > > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
 > > disabling the app?
 > > --
 > > Andy Lacey
 > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
 > >
 > > ________________________________________________
 > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
 > >
 > > _______________________________________________
 > > AccessD mailing list
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 09:59:26 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:59:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
	inTribble'sRelinker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJNFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c39d6c$76c8b640$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Thanks for the code.

It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.

I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.

(I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without For -
and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call

fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)

in the original with

fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)

in the new version.)

Then I put both  calls in the opening form:

tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
tsCheckTableLinksNew

The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this about
right?

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
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> Rocky,
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> *********
> On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
>
> Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset per
> BE to speed up db
> 'compiler directive for the logger
> #Const LogIt = True
> #Const TimeIt = False
>
> *********
> Then add in a new function below:
>
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
Table.
> ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> '
> ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String)
As
> Boolean
>    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>    Dim var As Variant
>
>    On Error Resume Next
>    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
>    If err <> 0 Then
>       fLinkIsValidNew = False
>    Else
>       fLinkIsValidNew = True
>       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
>       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
>    End If
>    On Error GoTo 0
>
> End Function
>
> *********
> Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name as
> the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset,
but
> won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
>
>
> *********
> On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
>
>          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> #Const TestNew = True
> #If TestNew Then
>          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> #Else
>          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> #End If
>             'LogResult "[OK]"
>             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
>             '.valid table link is found.
>             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
>
> *********
> Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function instead
> of the old.
>
> That should do it for you.  Let me know.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> Tribble'sRelinker
>
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
modify
> this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster
over
> a network?
>
> MTIA and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 10:10:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:10:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F148QBUZK0LkKx00018c0f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCELNFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gina,

I was demoing a progress form, not a while loop.  Change the while to:

    While lngCnt < txtMaxCnt

and it stops at 10000 (or whatever you enter in there).

This demo is designed to show how to open the progress form and manipulate
its properties.  The purpose is to give you enough information to use it in
your own systems.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


I tried to use your demo, John, and it worked beautifully except it always
counted to 1 + my number (i.e. I entered 51, it counted to 51).  Should this
be taken into account or is there a way to get it to stop at your number?

Thanks,
Gina


From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:44:24 -0500

Andy,

It's now up there in A97 format if you need it immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get home though cos
am on user site and they only have A97.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 19:38


OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects. It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


 > Hi William
 > That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
 > Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
 > routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
 >
 > --
 > Andy Lacey
 > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > --------- Original Message --------
 > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
 > Date: 28/10/03 16:51
 >
 >
 > ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
 > modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
 > your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
 > pop-up ...HTH :)
 >
 > William Hindman
 > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
 >
 >
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
 > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
 > Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
 >
 >
 > > Hi folks
 > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
 > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
 > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if
they
 > > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they
could
 > > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
 > > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
 > > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
 > > disabling the app?
 > > --
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 > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 28 10:14:08 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:14:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <3F9EE3A1.7780.10DA61E@localhost>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEOKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Andy,
Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation using two
methods:

-Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the maximum amount of time
this process will take which I only use for non-critical processes to give
the user a heads up to what is happening.

-Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls the procedure.
When the procedure returns a value close the form. The command button
doesn't actually call the procedure but rather it calls the form that calls
the procedure, thus making the procedure calling form easily reusable, just
have a button that opens the form.

It sounds like the latter might fit your case.

HTH
John Bartow

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> before the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> that, short of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
> temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
>
> One way would be to open another form  modally ie.
> "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the
> routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has
> finished.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 10:15:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:15:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
	OpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <010b01c39d6c$76c8b640$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELOFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Rocky,

That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database and
how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be very
dramatic.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
OpeninTribble'sRelinker


John:

Thanks for the code.

It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.

I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.

(I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without For -
and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call

fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)

in the original with

fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)

in the new version.)

Then I put both  calls in the opening form:

tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
tsCheckTableLinksNew

The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this about
right?

Regards,

Rocky

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
inTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> *********
> On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
>
> Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset per
> BE to speed up db
> 'compiler directive for the logger
> #Const LogIt = True
> #Const TimeIt = False
>
> *********
> Then add in a new function below:
>
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
Table.
> ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> '
> ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String)
As
> Boolean
>    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>    Dim var As Variant
>
>    On Error Resume Next
>    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
>    If err <> 0 Then
>       fLinkIsValidNew = False
>    Else
>       fLinkIsValidNew = True
>       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
>       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
>    End If
>    On Error GoTo 0
>
> End Function
>
> *********
> Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name as
> the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset,
but
> won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
>
>
> *********
> On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
>
>          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> #Const TestNew = True
> #If TestNew Then
>          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> #Else
>          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> #End If
>             'LogResult "[OK]"
>             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
>             '.valid table link is found.
>             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
>
> *********
> Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function instead
> of the old.
>
> That should do it for you.  Let me know.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> Tribble'sRelinker
>
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
modify
> this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster
over
> a network?
>
> MTIA and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Tue Oct 28 10:20:25 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:20:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE76@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Hello,

any idea where/how A97 stores it's Import Wizard Import/Export specs?

TIA - Chris Foote

From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 28 10:30:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:30:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031027184127.65180.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEOLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Frank:
I haven't got any programming advice for you but...

Since you are a Network Engineer maybe that gives you the opening to say "I
don't know how to do that - maybe you should hire an outside consultant on
this job".

I realize its a tough thing to say but it sounds like you're placing
yourself in the future gun sights of the "big blame gun". It isn't your
idea; it is bound to turn out badly in the future; but you're the one who
"did" it, so its going to be your fault...

Maybe its not something you can do, but its worth considering.

JB

Learn from others mistakes: change "fool me once shame on you - fool me
twice shame on me"
into fool someone else once shame on you...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
>
>
> That's because I *AM* a network engineer...hehehe  By
> profession I tend to think modular....hehehe
>
> My boss wants a guarantee of no overlapping.  This is
> the only way I can think of doing it without coding
> mountains of logic into each form that I am creating.
> The more logic I have to put in to account for every
> possible contingency the larger the chance for errors
> becomes.  Peeling off one record and storing it in a
> temporary table will allow me to use the same logic
> over and over again, plus guarantee that there will be
> no overlaps.
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > > possibility of duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > > will
> > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> > go
> > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > > >
> > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> > from
> > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> > called
> > > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> > record
> > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > >
> > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> > table,
> > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> > cleared/deleted.
> > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> > of
> > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> > the
> > > > Get
> > > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > > >
> > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > > ideas?  Thank you.
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Tue Oct 28 10:44:32 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:44:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Direct Print
In-Reply-To: <20031024053042.68734.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c39d72$c3cc3b00$69fa2250@servercafe>

Hi group:
We are using some routines to print direct to the LPTx: port on our
programs, but the problem is that Win2k or WinXP we can't select any LPTx:
if not exist on the local machine.
The actual routine to print is

Sub PrintTxt ( Puerto as string, Texto as string)
'Rem normal use is Open "LPT1:" for Output as #1
Open puerto for Output as #1
Print #1, texto
Close #1
Exit sub
End Sub

If use Win98SE you can capture any port like Set LPT2: = \\server\epsonTM88
On win2k and winXP we haven't (i don't know if it's possible)

We have same problem to use printers on a network or USB connection.

Basically we need send some control characters in ASCii format to any
printer on a network.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez


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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 28 10:51:57 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:51:57 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
	OpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <010b01c39d6c$76c8b640$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuVEAH8A@pacific.net.hk>

As John said, this makes a difference when there are multiple users in the
database.  If you have a small network, try it with another copy of the same BE
database opened on a different computer (open a form, start an edit, etc)

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2003 11:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database 
> Connection OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> Thanks for the code.
> 
> It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> 
> I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> 
> (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next 
> without For -
> and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> 
> fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> 
> in the original with
> 
> fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> 
> in the new version.)
> 
> Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> 
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> tsCheckTableLinksNew
> 
> The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5. 
>  Is this about
> right?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> inTribble'sRelinker
> 
> 
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Here's what I did:
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> >
> > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one 
> open recordset per
> > BE to speed up db
> > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > #Const LogIt = True
> > #Const TimeIt = False
> >
> > *********
> > Then add in a new function below:
> >
> >
> '-------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> Table.
> > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > '
> > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> >
> '-------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, 
> strTable As String)
> As
> > Boolean
> >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> >    Dim var As Variant
> >
> >    On Error Resume Next
> >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> >    If err <> 0 Then
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> >    Else
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> >    End If
> >    On Error GoTo 0
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with 
> the BE name as
> > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a 
> single recordset,
> but
> > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> >
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> >
> >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > #Const TestNew = True
> > #If TestNew Then
> >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And 
> fForceRelink = False Then
> > #Else
> >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > #End If
> >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> >             '.valid table link is found.
> >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new 
> function instead
> > of the old.
> >
> > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database 
> Connection Open in
> > Tribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody 
> know how to
> modify
> > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it 
> relinks faster
> over
> > a network?
> >
> > MTIA and regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 11:43:22 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:43:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of them?
Message-ID: <Law12-F36r6beUzmRf60000019a@hotmail.com>

I would like to access (you should pardon the expression) the list 
(collection?) of functions in a given standard module. So far, I have looked 
at application.codedb and all it's pardners,without joy. For my app, the 
point of it all is to get a list of functions in a drop down box. I cannot 
get a handle on where theses things are. Access knows about them because the 
code builder thingie knows about them.
Has anyone done this?
TIA,
_D


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 11:53:30 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:53:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227407@main2.marlow.com>

I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same boat many
times....fortunately, the people I work with don't have the first clue of
what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.  <evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
heheheh

Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
sense into people, they still wanna do what they wanna
do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do. 
Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my boss,
I lose....hehehe

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off
> of the top of my head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have
> mobile databases.  Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 11:55:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:55:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227408@main2.marlow.com>

If you must you must.  What question do you have specifically about
'peeling' the record?

I would still put a flag in the main table, so that at the very start of the
process, you set the flag, so the next instance of the process gets the next
record.  Then I would copy the data to the local table, once copied, I would
then simply delete the one on the server.

Is your question regarding code required to do it?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


That would be acceptable to me, whether or not it is
acceptable to them.  HOWEVER, it still doesn't answer
my original question.

Which was how to peel the record in the first place.

Then, regardless of how the END result is, my original
question would still remain the same.

--- Nancy Lytle <nancy.lytle at auatac.com> wrote:
> Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the
> Master Table, put it into
> temp and then put it into a new Table called
> Processed with a category
> column for completed, not interested and to be
> contacted later.  Then create
> three queries with each one giving you the full set
> of data for each
> category.  The problem is that once you separate the
> data, it is hard to put
> it back together again, kind of like Humpty-Dumpty,
> and you never know what
> future requirements there may be, been there, done
> that, don't ever want to
> do it again:(
> 
> Nancy Lytle
> EIS
> nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
> one record could become corrupt if the front-end
> gets
> whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of
> criteria
> as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled,
> and
> I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
> way of handling it.
> 
> They are adamant about having one back-end table
> that
> contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> table that contains the records that have been
> contacted and have answered the questions, one table
> that contains the "not-interested" responses, and
> one
> table that contains the "call me back later"
> responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
> way, nor what they are going to do with it once it
> is
> complete.
> 
> --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> wrote:
> > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut
> Status"
> > field to the original
> > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > field. Doing it this way
> > means you never need to move the data from table
> to
> > table, instead just
> > change the values in those two fields. In
> addition,
> > there's no danger of
> > data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> > copy gets trashed /
> > corrupted.
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Frank Tanner III
> > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > To:	Database Advisors
> > > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > > 
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> > > 
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> > to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > like this...
> > > 
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> > go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > > 
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from 
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs 
> > > it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > > removes said
> > record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > 
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table, 
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > 
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > > 
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 28 11:59:24 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEOLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <20031028175924.61740.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>

Tried that.  Lost that battle.  Mainly because I shot
myself in the foot in two manners.

First, I designed an integrated Helpdesk/Asset
Management/Knowledge Base application from scratch
using MS Access.

Second, I designed and created a front-end for data
gathering for out telephone switching system, again
using MS Access.

So, now, because I created tools that are purpose
built to help me do my job, I am not the official
"Access Expert".  It sucks....hehehe

--- John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Frank:
> I haven't got any programming advice for you but...
> 
> Since you are a Network Engineer maybe that gives
> you the opening to say "I
> don't know how to do that - maybe you should hire an
> outside consultant on
> this job".
> 
> I realize its a tough thing to say but it sounds
> like you're placing
> yourself in the future gun sights of the "big blame
> gun". It isn't your
> idea; it is bound to turn out badly in the future;
> but you're the one who
> "did" it, so its going to be your fault...
> 
> Maybe its not something you can do, but its worth
> considering.
> 
> JB
> 
> Learn from others mistakes: change "fool me once
> shame on you - fool me
> twice shame on me"
> into fool someone else once shame on you...
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:41 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> >
> >
> > That's because I *AM* a network engineer...hehehe 
> By
> > profession I tend to think modular....hehehe
> >
> > My boss wants a guarantee of no overlapping.  This
> is
> > the only way I can think of doing it without
> coding
> > mountains of logic into each form that I am
> creating.
> > The more logic I have to put in to account for
> every
> > possible contingency the larger the chance for
> errors
> > becomes.  Peeling off one record and storing it in
> a
> > temporary table will allow me to use the same
> logic
> > over and over again, plus guarantee that there
> will be
> > no overlaps.
> >
> > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > > of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > > over the place and creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > > much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much
> as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > > rather than a database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY
> > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track of
> > > > different functions based upon the data in
> tables
> > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers
> that
> > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > customers
> > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > customers
> > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > > go
> > > > into yet another table.
> > > >
> > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > possible
> > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > someone is
> > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > >
> > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> physically
> > > 'move'
> > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > > to
> > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted. 
> It
> > > works
> > > > > like this...
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > > master
> > > > > table of records.  I want my people to click
> a
> > > > > button
> > > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > > first
> > > > > available record into a "make table query"
> to
> > > create
> > > > > a
> > > > > temporary local front-end table and delete
> it
> > > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > > checking
> > > > > out a book from the library.  Once this
> record
> > > is
> > > > > pulled from the master table in the
> back-end, it
> > > > > will
> > > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> will
> > > go
> > > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > > this...
> > > > >
> > > > > Get Information pulls "next available
> record"
> > > from
> > > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> table
> > > > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> > > called
> > > > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes
> said
> 
=== message truncated ===


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 12:14:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Direct Print
References: <000301c39d72$c3cc3b00$69fa2250@servercafe>
Message-ID: <001a01c39d7f$45fd6e30$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...for W2K/WXP check out the net use command line parameters to establish a
persistent connection to a port that isn't hardwired ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MastercafeCTV" <mastercafe at ctv.es>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:44 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Direct Print


> Hi group:
> We are using some routines to print direct to the LPTx: port on our
> programs, but the problem is that Win2k or WinXP we can't select any LPTx:
> if not exist on the local machine.
> The actual routine to print is
>
> Sub PrintTxt ( Puerto as string, Texto as string)
> 'Rem normal use is Open "LPT1:" for Output as #1
> Open puerto for Output as #1
> Print #1, texto
> Close #1
> Exit sub
> End Sub
>
> If use Win98SE you can capture any port like Set LPT2: =
\\server\epsonTM88
> On win2k and winXP we haven't (i don't know if it's possible)
>
> We have same problem to use printers on a network or USB connection.
>
> Basically we need send some control characters in ASCii format to any
> printer on a network.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Juan Men?ndez
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 28 12:15:23 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:15:23 -0800
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
References: <OF4E7ADCDC.3DD35C22-ONC1256DCD.00350ED9@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <3F9EB23B.5050508@shaw.ca>

Don't forget the SQL Server 7 Patches for MSDE 1.0
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/downloads/sp4.asp?&SD=TECH&LN=EN-CA&gssnb=1
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q327068&sd=tech
MSDE 1.0 is not affected by Slammer worm
You cant have msde 1.0 and 2.0 on the same machine but does anyone know 
if you can run Access 2000 with MSDE 2.0?


marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl wrote:

>Robert,
>
>Thanks. I will install MSDE and keep you and the group posted about my
>findings.
>
>Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>"Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
>22-10-2003 17:56:34
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>cc:   marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>
>Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Marcel,
>
>Looks like you are doing everything right.
>
>Since you are using 2000, I would explore using
>the MSDE for the backend.  You would be fine on
>the number of users it is designed for.  Then I
>would convert everything to an ADP and use ADO.
>I have found that on one of my large forms, 8
>subforms with 2 sub-subforms, in MDE it loaded
>in about 15 seconds, in ADP < 2 seconds.
>
>Sorry that I cannot give you any more advise than
>that.
>
>Robert
>
>At 08:45 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:25 +0200
>>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>>Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <OFBDBE24B3.31190D20-ONC1256DC6.00304900 at achmea.nl>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>>Robert,
>>
>>   The FE is always an MDE and is 11MB in size. De BE is always een MDB
>>   which differs from 24 to 150 MB
>>   Generaly there are five users who are updating and entering data and
>>   about 2 users who only read data
>>   The FE is always local on the computers. The BE is always in f:
>>   \oop\oopdata.mdb
>>    Alle forms are showing a limited no of records and are never bounded
>>    
>>
>to
>  
>
>>   a table
>>
>>
>>Thanks Marcel
>>    
>>
>
>
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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Tue Oct 28 12:21:53 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:21:53 -0900
Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of
	them?
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303121039@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Does the F2 Object browser window give you what you are looking for?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:43 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of
> them?
> 
> 
> I would like to access (you should pardon the expression) the list 
> (collection?) of functions in a given standard module. So 
> far, I have looked 
> at application.codedb and all it's pardners,without joy. For 
> my app, the 
> point of it all is to get a list of functions in a drop down 
> box. I cannot 
> get a handle on where theses things are. Access knows about 
> them because the 
> code builder thingie knows about them.
> Has anyone done this?
> TIA,
> _D
> 
> 
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> Elliker
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 12:32:00 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:32:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEOKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <024901c39d81$c6f6a220$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks John. Yes I think that's where I'm heading (option 2). Am going
to take a look at JC's progress form as a basis.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 28 October 2003 16:14
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation using two
> methods:
> 
> -Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the maximum 
> amount of time this process will take which I only use for 
> non-critical processes to give the user a heads up to what is 
> happening.
> 
> -Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls 
> the procedure. When the procedure returns a value close the 
> form. The command button doesn't actually call the procedure 
> but rather it calls the form that calls the procedure, thus 
> making the procedure calling form easily reusable, just have 
> a button that opens the form.
> 
> It sounds like the latter might fit your case.
> 
> HTH
> John Bartow
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks
> > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> > before the
> > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> > that, short of
> > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their 
> fingers off if 
> > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number 
> of buttons 
> > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a 
> > > function which just disabled all of those things then re-enabled 
> > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy. 
> Is there a 
> > > cleaner way of just
> > temporarily
> > > disabling the app?
> > > --
> >
> > One way would be to open another form  modally ie. 
> > "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the 
> > routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has 
> > finished.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Support.
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 12:32:00 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:32:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELLFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <024a01c39d81$c7215ba0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks John

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: 28 October 2003 15:44
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> It's now up there in A97 format if you need it immediately.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get 
> home though cos am on user site and they only have A97.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 19:38
> 
> 
> OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form 
> from Carl Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is 
> sooo excellent I use it in all of my projects. It allows you 
> to display a progress bar, display progress messages, close 
> when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about 30 minutes 
> and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main 
> features of the form.
> 
> Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then 
> the hotlink.
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> ....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user 
> from intervening ....I'd give them some feed back though 
> ...you might hide the main form and unhide it when the popup 
> closes ...make sure your error handler works or it might get ugly :)
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in 
> your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> > Hi William
> > That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of 
> > events? Would I open the modal form and have IT run the 
> routine? Then 
> > have the routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
> >
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> > Date: 28/10/03 16:51
> >
> >
> > ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a 
> > user-control-free modal pop-up form over the main form from the 
> > cmdbutton and close it when your routine is finished? 
> ...put a warning 
> > label or a progress bar on the pop-up ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
> > lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > > Hi folks
> > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish 
> > > before
> the
> > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, 
> > > short
> of
> > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their 
> fingers off if 
> > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number 
> of buttons 
> > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a 
> > > function which just disabled all of those things then re-enabled 
> > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy. 
> Is there a 
> > > cleaner way of just
> temporarily
> > > disabling the app?
> > > --
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 28 12:34:15 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:34:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227408@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031028183415.91989.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

I just want to be able to take record off of a
database.  Basically the first available one, no
specific criteria and plug it into a table" made via a
make table query.

The way I thought of doing it is pretty crappy.  I
thought about making a form (hidden) that uses that
database as it's bound property.  Then on form open
running a make table query to fill the "made" table
and then a delete query to selete the record, then the
invisible form shuts down.  But that's a pretty crappy
way of doing it.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> If you must you must.  What question do you have
> specifically about
> 'peeling' the record?
> 
> I would still put a flag in the main table, so that
> at the very start of the
> process, you set the flag, so the next instance of
> the process gets the next
> record.  Then I would copy the data to the local
> table, once copied, I would
> then simply delete the one on the server.
> 
> Is your question regarding code required to do it?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> That would be acceptable to me, whether or not it is
> acceptable to them.  HOWEVER, it still doesn't
> answer
> my original question.
> 
> Which was how to peel the record in the first place.
> 
> Then, regardless of how the END result is, my
> original
> question would still remain the same.
> 
> --- Nancy Lytle <nancy.lytle at auatac.com> wrote:
> > Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the
> > Master Table, put it into
> > temp and then put it into a new Table called
> > Processed with a category
> > column for completed, not interested and to be
> > contacted later.  Then create
> > three queries with each one giving you the full
> set
> > of data for each
> > category.  The problem is that once you separate
> the
> > data, it is hard to put
> > it back together again, kind of like
> Humpty-Dumpty,
> > and you never know what
> > future requirements there may be, been there, done
> > that, don't ever want to
> > do it again:(
> > 
> > Nancy Lytle
> > EIS
> > nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > As I see it the worst possible case scenario is
> that
> > one record could become corrupt if the front-end
> > gets
> > whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> > temporarily I might add, storing one record. 
> Ever.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of
> > criteria
> > as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled,
> > and
> > I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> > trying to come up with the easiest, and most
> modular
> > way of handling it.
> > 
> > They are adamant about having one back-end table
> > that
> > contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> > table that contains the records that have been
> > contacted and have answered the questions, one
> table
> > that contains the "not-interested" responses, and
> > one
> > table that contains the "call me back later"
> > responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it
> that
> > way, nor what they are going to do with it once it
> > is
> > complete.
> > 
> > --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut
> > Status"
> > > field to the original
> > > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > > field. Doing it this way
> > > means you never need to move the data from table
> > to
> > > table, instead just
> > > change the values in those two fields. In
> > addition,
> > > there's no danger of
> > > data getting lost when and if the user's front
> end
> > > copy gets trashed /
> > > corrupted.
> > > 
> > > Lambert
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Frank Tanner III
> > > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > > To:	Database Advisors
> > > > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > 
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > > works
> > > > like this...
> > > > 
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > > create a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> > > will
> > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> will
> > > go
> > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > > this...
> > > > 
> > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> > from 
> > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> table
> > query, and stuffs 
> > > > it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > > > removes said
> > > record
> > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > > 
> > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > > "saved"
> > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> > table, 
> > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> > cleared/deleted.
> > > 
> > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> > of
> > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> > the
> > > Get
> > > > Information, this process starts all over
> again.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this. 
> Any
> > > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> 
=== message truncated ===


From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Tue Oct 28 12:57:02 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:57:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509272@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

You can find them in the system tables.  They  are actually stored in
two separate tables.  I cannot recall the actual table names at the
moment, but if you take a look, I am sure you can figure out which ones
they are.

HTH

Jeff Barrows
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
Phone: (262) 634-0653
Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com
www.outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs

Hello,

any idea where/how A97 stores it's Import Wizard Import/Export specs?

TIA - Chris Foote
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 28 13:03:26 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:03:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of
	them?
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F36r6beUzmRf60000019a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEJOHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Don,

 Have a look at the module object and modules collection.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of
them?


I would like to access (you should pardon the expression) the list
(collection?) of functions in a given standard module. So far, I have looked
at application.codedb and all it's pardners,without joy. For my app, the
point of it all is to get a list of functions in a drop down box. I cannot
get a handle on where theses things are. Access knows about them because the
code builder thingie knows about them.
Has anyone done this?
TIA,
_D


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 13:08:07 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:08:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
Message-ID: <BAY2-F104SOc7wo95EF0000bd28@hotmail.com>

They are in a couple hidden/system tables. Go into Options and select 
Display on Hidden and System tables and you will see them - in a database 
that HAS at least one. There is one table for the Spec Headers and another 
for the field detail. I think you can read them but not write to them. You 
can use them in queries.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Foote, Chris" <Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
>Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:20:25 -0000
>
>Hello,
>
>any idea where/how A97 stores it's Import Wizard Import/Export specs?
>
>TIA - Chris Foote
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From bridgetd at biostat.umn.edu  Tue Oct 28 13:11:46 2003
From: bridgetd at biostat.umn.edu (Bridget Doran)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:11:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding an object 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310281250320.24682-100000@squid.biostat.umn.edu>

Hi Group --

Using Access 2K - DAO

I am trying to display a subform only if there are related
records.

I have tried using Hide and Access says it does not support this Method.

Then I tried

If IsNull (cboProc.Column(0)) Then
Forms!frmAppointment.sfrmDental.Visible = False

This is actually a subform on a subform on a form.

Then I get an Object-Defined error.

Can I reference Subforms this way?

Thankyou for any help,

Bridget




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 13:34:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:34:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227409@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, I've done bar graphs, but the graph on saw immediate was a line graph.
Much more difficult in HTML...in fact, I'm not sure I'd know where to start
there.  As for the AccessReporterForIIS, looks a lot like what I had
developed on my own, but David's issue is that he wants to allow the user to
'print' all reports, or 'View all reports'.  Viewing is easy, printing (all)
is the problem.  I didn't look too deep into that application, did it have
that capability?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project


David

Have a look at this. Create a simple chart using ASP and HTML. Of the web.
Creates a simple bar chart. So it is possible. More complex examples are
available using .NET and there are lots of third party controls etc
available.

For the reports have a look at this

http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/AccessReporterForIIS/

I am not unbaised re this companies software as they provide me with free
licences for some of thier products.


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 13:39:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:39:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222740A@main2.marlow.com>

Make table off of a select Top 1 query, then delete it.  Again, this raises
the issue of 'simultaneous' users, which is why I recommended adding a
'toggle' field, to set that first, before doing anything else.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


I just want to be able to take record off of a
database.  Basically the first available one, no
specific criteria and plug it into a table" made via a
make table query.

The way I thought of doing it is pretty crappy.  I
thought about making a form (hidden) that uses that
database as it's bound property.  Then on form open
running a make table query to fill the "made" table
and then a delete query to selete the record, then the
invisible form shuts down.  But that's a pretty crappy
way of doing it.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> If you must you must.  What question do you have
> specifically about
> 'peeling' the record?
> 
> I would still put a flag in the main table, so that
> at the very start of the
> process, you set the flag, so the next instance of
> the process gets the next
> record.  Then I would copy the data to the local
> table, once copied, I would
> then simply delete the one on the server.
> 
> Is your question regarding code required to do it?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> That would be acceptable to me, whether or not it is
> acceptable to them.  HOWEVER, it still doesn't
> answer
> my original question.
> 
> Which was how to peel the record in the first place.
> 
> Then, regardless of how the END result is, my
> original
> question would still remain the same.
> 
> --- Nancy Lytle <nancy.lytle at auatac.com> wrote:
> > Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the
> > Master Table, put it into
> > temp and then put it into a new Table called
> > Processed with a category
> > column for completed, not interested and to be
> > contacted later.  Then create
> > three queries with each one giving you the full
> set
> > of data for each
> > category.  The problem is that once you separate
> the
> > data, it is hard to put
> > it back together again, kind of like
> Humpty-Dumpty,
> > and you never know what
> > future requirements there may be, been there, done
> > that, don't ever want to
> > do it again:(
> > 
> > Nancy Lytle
> > EIS
> > nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > As I see it the worst possible case scenario is
> that
> > one record could become corrupt if the front-end
> > gets
> > whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> > temporarily I might add, storing one record. 
> Ever.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of
> > criteria
> > as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled,
> > and
> > I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> > trying to come up with the easiest, and most
> modular
> > way of handling it.
> > 
> > They are adamant about having one back-end table
> > that
> > contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> > table that contains the records that have been
> > contacted and have answered the questions, one
> table
> > that contains the "not-interested" responses, and
> > one
> > table that contains the "call me back later"
> > responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it
> that
> > way, nor what they are going to do with it once it
> > is
> > complete.
> > 
> > --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut
> > Status"
> > > field to the original
> > > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > > field. Doing it this way
> > > means you never need to move the data from table
> > to
> > > table, instead just
> > > change the values in those two fields. In
> > addition,
> > > there's no danger of
> > > data getting lost when and if the user's front
> end
> > > copy gets trashed /
> > > corrupted.
> > > 
> > > Lambert
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Frank Tanner III
> > > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > > To:	Database Advisors
> > > > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > 
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > > works
> > > > like this...
> > > > 
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > > create a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> > > will
> > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> will
> > > go
> > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > > this...
> > > > 
> > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> > from 
> > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> table
> > query, and stuffs 
> > > > it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > > > removes said
> > > record
> > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > > 
> > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > > "saved"
> > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> > table, 
> > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> > cleared/deleted.
> > > 
> > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> > of
> > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> > the
> > > Get
> > > > Information, this process starts all over
> again.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this. 
> Any
> > > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Oct 28 13:58:51 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:58:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227409@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c39d8d$e93378c0$e0f66e51@martin1>


I would think if you can print one report there must be a way to print them
all. Interesting problem. Have several of them at the moment so this one is
at bottom of list. But it has to be doable.

You could also try the Office Web Componets which do a fair job of graphing.
And can do line charts. Need to install them on the web server but they do a
good job once there. Can use them to produce a GIF of the chart and then
embed that in the page.

The code is at the bottom of this email.


Martin

Code to create a line chart using ASP and the Office Web Components. Not my
code but I had it here.

<% Option Explicit %>
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Chart Example</TITLE>
<!-- #include virtual="/include/adovbs.inc" -->
<%
Function ExportChartToGIF(objCSpace, strAbsFilePath, strRelFilePath)
	Dim strFileName
	Randomize
	strFileName = Timer & Rnd & ".gif"
	objCSpace.ExportPicture strAbsFilePath & "\" & strFileName, "gif", 600, 350
	ExportChartToGIF = strRelFilePath & "/" & strFileName
End Function

Sub CleanUpGIF(GIFpath)
	Dim objFS
	Dim objFolder
	Dim gif
	set objFS = Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
	set objFolder = objFS.GetFolder(GIFpath)
	for each gif in objFolder.Files
		if instr(gif.Name, ".gif") > 0 and DateDiff("n", gif.DateLastModified,
now) > 10 then
			objFS.DeleteFile GIFpath & "\" & gif.Name, True
		end if
	next
	set objFolder = nothing
	set objFS = nothing
End Sub

%>
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">
<%
dim objChartSpace
dim objChart
dim objSeries
dim objConn
dim objRS
dim c
dim series
dim strChartAbsPath
dim strChartRelPath
dim strChartFile
strChartAbsPath = Server.MapPath("/mypath/temp")
strChartRelPath = "temp"

set objChartSpace = Server.CreateObject("OWC.Chart")
set objChart = objChartSpace.Charts.Add()
set c = objChartSpace.Constants

objChart.Type = c.chChartTypeLineMarkers
objChart.HasLegend = True

set objConn = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
objConn.Open "provider=sqloledb;data source=myserver;initial
catalog=testdb;user id=myuid;password=mypswd;"
set objRS = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
set objRS.ActiveConnection = objConn
objRS.CursorType = adOpenStatic
objRS.CursorLocation = adUseClient
objRS.Open "select * from testscore order by test"
set objChartSpace.DataSource = objRS
objChart.SetData c.chDimSeriesNames, 0, "student"
for each objSeries in objChart.SeriesCollection
	objSeries.SetData c.chDimCategories, 0, "test"
	objSeries.SetData c.chDimValues, 0, "score"
next

for each axis in objChart.Axes
    axis.HasTitle = True
    if axis.Type = c.chCategoryAxis then
        axis.Title.Caption = "Test"
    else
        axis.Title.Caption = "Score"
    end if
next

objChart.SeriesCollection(2).Interior.Color = "red"
objChart.SeriesCollection(2).Line.Color = "red"

strChartFile = ExportChartToGIF(objChartSpace, strChartAbsPath,
strChartRelPath)
Response.Write "<IMG SRC=""" & strChartFile & """>" & "<P>"
CleanUpGIF strChartAbsPath

objRS.Close
set objRS = nothing
set objConn = nothing
set objSeries = nothing
set objChart = nothing
set objChartSpace = nothing
%>
</BODY>
</HTML>


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 14:38:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:38:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222740F@main2.marlow.com>

Doesn't the office web components require the end users to have both IE AND
Office 2000 in order to work?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project



I would think if you can print one report there must be a way to print them
all. Interesting problem. Have several of them at the moment so this one is
at bottom of list. But it has to be doable.

You could also try the Office Web Componets which do a fair job of graphing.
And can do line charts. Need to install them on the web server but they do a
good job once there. Can use them to produce a GIF of the chart and then
embed that in the page.

The code is at the bottom of this email.


Martin

Code to create a line chart using ASP and the Office Web Components. Not my
code but I had it here.

<% Option Explicit %>
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Chart Example</TITLE>
<!-- #include virtual="/include/adovbs.inc" -->
<%
Function ExportChartToGIF(objCSpace, strAbsFilePath, strRelFilePath)
	Dim strFileName
	Randomize
	strFileName = Timer & Rnd & ".gif"
	objCSpace.ExportPicture strAbsFilePath & "\" & strFileName, "gif",
600, 350
	ExportChartToGIF = strRelFilePath & "/" & strFileName
End Function

Sub CleanUpGIF(GIFpath)
	Dim objFS
	Dim objFolder
	Dim gif
	set objFS = Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
	set objFolder = objFS.GetFolder(GIFpath)
	for each gif in objFolder.Files
		if instr(gif.Name, ".gif") > 0 and DateDiff("n",
gif.DateLastModified,
now) > 10 then
			objFS.DeleteFile GIFpath & "\" & gif.Name, True
		end if
	next
	set objFolder = nothing
	set objFS = nothing
End Sub

%>
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">
<%
dim objChartSpace
dim objChart
dim objSeries
dim objConn
dim objRS
dim c
dim series
dim strChartAbsPath
dim strChartRelPath
dim strChartFile
strChartAbsPath = Server.MapPath("/mypath/temp")
strChartRelPath = "temp"

set objChartSpace = Server.CreateObject("OWC.Chart")
set objChart = objChartSpace.Charts.Add()
set c = objChartSpace.Constants

objChart.Type = c.chChartTypeLineMarkers
objChart.HasLegend = True

set objConn = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
objConn.Open "provider=sqloledb;data source=myserver;initial
catalog=testdb;user id=myuid;password=mypswd;"
set objRS = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
set objRS.ActiveConnection = objConn
objRS.CursorType = adOpenStatic
objRS.CursorLocation = adUseClient
objRS.Open "select * from testscore order by test"
set objChartSpace.DataSource = objRS
objChart.SetData c.chDimSeriesNames, 0, "student"
for each objSeries in objChart.SeriesCollection
	objSeries.SetData c.chDimCategories, 0, "test"
	objSeries.SetData c.chDimValues, 0, "score"
next

for each axis in objChart.Axes
    axis.HasTitle = True
    if axis.Type = c.chCategoryAxis then
        axis.Title.Caption = "Test"
    else
        axis.Title.Caption = "Score"
    end if
next

objChart.SeriesCollection(2).Interior.Color = "red"
objChart.SeriesCollection(2).Line.Color = "red"

strChartFile = ExportChartToGIF(objChartSpace, strChartAbsPath,
strChartRelPath)
Response.Write "<IMG SRC=""" & strChartFile & """>" & "<P>"
CleanUpGIF strChartAbsPath

objRS.Close
set objRS = nothing
set objConn = nothing
set objSeries = nothing
set objChart = nothing
set objChartSpace = nothing
%>
</BODY>
</HTML>

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 16:06:38 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:06:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031028160638.262983920.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

Have any of you uploaded an Access back end to a web server capable of "handling" Access? I'm a bit confused by my web host's claim to support unlimited Access databases. Are we talking uploading the back end, say, and establishing an ODBC link to it sort of like an ODBC link to a SQL Server database?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 16:20:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:20:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227416@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, but not the way you are thinking.  The first sub-contract job I did for
my sister was for a company that was hosted by a hosting company that
'supported' Access.  It also supported ActiveX .dll's.  So I wrote a .dll to
interact with the database, the .dll used ADO to connect to the db, and for
the path to the db, it just used the path to the .dll.  Therefore, I
uploaded the .dll and the db to the same folder.  Worked like a charm.

In most occasions, I am writing stuff for IIS servers I have DIRECT access
too.  In those cases, I actually put the .mdb in a location that is NOT
visible to the web, then I hard code the actual path into the .dll.  Thus,
the asp pages can interact with the .dll, but the .mdb is never directly
visible to the user.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Dear Group,

Have any of you uploaded an Access back end to a web server capable of
"handling" Access? I'm a bit confused by my web host's claim to support
unlimited Access databases. Are we talking uploading the back end, say, and
establishing an ODBC link to it sort of like an ODBC link to a SQL Server
database?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From James at fcidms.com  Tue Oct 28 17:01:45 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:01:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251BE9A4@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250DF563@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

Steve,
I've done that. My web host has a special directory to upload Access
databases into and then allows me to create a dsn to use in asp pages.
You must use ADO to access the data so it isn't like an ODBC link. It
does not allow links from outside so you can't create an Access
front-end and link to the tables, you must create asp pages for all data
access. You need to make sure their MDAC supports your version of
Access. I can probably dig up the connection string I use if you need
it.

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Dear Group,

Have any of you uploaded an Access back end to a web server capable of
"handling" Access? I'm a bit confused by my web host's claim to support
unlimited Access databases. Are we talking uploading the back end, say,
and establishing an ODBC link to it sort of like an ODBC link to a SQL
Server database?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Oct 28 19:23:45 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:23:45 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding an object 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310281250320.24682-100000@squid.biostat.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <014401c39dbb$4c777c10$3c619a89@DDICK>

Bridget
Example dB sent of list
Any me too's to d.dick at uws.edu.au
Me too's that come via AccessD will be ignored

Have funn y'all

Darren


Replies that en----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridget Doran" <bridgetd at biostat.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:11 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding an object 


> Hi Group --
> 
> Using Access 2K - DAO
> 
> I am trying to display a subform only if there are related
> records.
> 
> I have tried using Hide and Access says it does not support this Method.
> 
> Then I tried
> 
> If IsNull (cboProc.Column(0)) Then
> Forms!frmAppointment.sfrmDental.Visible = False
> 
> This is actually a subform on a subform on a form.
> 
> Then I get an Object-Defined error.
> 
> Can I reference Subforms this way?
> 
> Thankyou for any help,
> 
> Bridget
> 
> 
> 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 02:48:39 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:48:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227416@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c39dfa$3abd3890$9111758f@aine>

Worked on one hosted DB. The Access back end was FTPd up to a folder on the
web Server used ODBC for the connections and ASP for the pages. Worked like
a charm. Still sworking.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


> Yes, but not the way you are thinking.  The first sub-contract job I did
for
> my sister was for a company that was hosted by a hosting company that
> 'supported' Access.  It also supported ActiveX .dll's.  So I wrote a .dll
to
> interact with the database, the .dll used ADO to connect to the db, and
for
> the path to the db, it just used the path to the .dll.  Therefore, I
> uploaded the .dll and the db to the same folder.  Worked like a charm.
>
> In most occasions, I am writing stuff for IIS servers I have DIRECT access
> too.  In those cases, I actually put the .mdb in a location that is NOT
> visible to the web, then I hard code the actual path into the .dll.  Thus,
> the asp pages can interact with the .dll, but the .mdb is never directly
> visible to the user.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> Have any of you uploaded an Access back end to a web server capable of
> "handling" Access? I'm a bit confused by my web host's claim to support
> unlimited Access databases. Are we talking uploading the back end, say,
and
> establishing an ODBC link to it sort of like an ODBC link to a SQL Server
> database?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 06:45:39 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:45:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031029064539.1860689426.serbach@new.rr.com>

James, Drew, and Martin,

Well, your answers are all very clear: Access can only be used as the back end on the GoreNet if one uses ADO and ASP to get at it. This is what I needed to know. Thank you.

Steve Erbach



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 29 07:06:30 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:06:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual Basic 6
Message-ID: <29257532.1067432790075.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

To all,
I know I have done this before but for the life of me can't remember how, and can't find the code in any of my old projects.
I have a VB6 application that generates a SQL string, I need to save the SQL string as a query in my Access(XP) database
Can someone please tell me how to do this (even sample code if you can), before I pull whats left of my hair out.
Paul Hartland
Database Designer/Developer (so they say)..........

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 29 07:06:30 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:06:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] 
	Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual Basic 6
Message-ID: <29257532.1067432790075.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

To all,
I know I have done this before but for the life of me can't remember how, and can't find the code in any of my old projects.
I have a VB6 application that generates a SQL string, I need to save the SQL string as a query in my Access(XP) database
Can someone please tell me how to do this (even sample code if you can), before I pull whats left of my hair out.
Paul Hartland
Database Designer/Developer (so they say)..........
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct 29 07:58:46 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:58:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FC@nt04.karta.com>


I have an Access database BE to an ASP FE accessed by over 50 clients via
the web.  I also have an Access FE connected to the same BE for the folks in
the office.  I FTP the FE (Access and ASP) and BE to the directories when
changes have been made. The ASP files do reside in a separate directory, but
only to keep the ASP files together.
What did I miss?
Why can't Access be used as a FE when using ASP?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


James, Drew, and Martin,

Well, your answers are all very clear: Access can only be used as the back
end on the GoreNet if one uses ADO and ASP to get at it. This is what I
needed to know. Thank you.

Steve Erbach


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 08:11:56 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:11:56 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
References: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FC@nt04.karta.com>
Message-ID: <000701c39e26$9c8084c0$9111758f@aine>

Access is the BE, ASP provides the front end to the user on the web.

Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hewson" <JHewson at karta.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


>
> I have an Access database BE to an ASP FE accessed by over 50 clients via
> the web.  I also have an Access FE connected to the same BE for the folks
in
> the office.  I FTP the FE (Access and ASP) and BE to the directories when
> changes have been made. The ASP files do reside in a separate directory,
but
> only to keep the ASP files together.
> What did I miss?
> Why can't Access be used as a FE when using ASP?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
>
>
> James, Drew, and Martin,
>
> Well, your answers are all very clear: Access can only be used as the back
> end on the GoreNet if one uses ADO and ASP to get at it. This is what I
> needed to know. Thank you.
>
> Steve Erbach
>
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 08:29:01 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:29:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031029082901.626830210.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

Thanks for your input. Are you saying that some clients get to the Access BE via ASP on a web page and your other (LAN) clients get at in the usual way with a FE/BE situation? My question was directed specifically at Internet access. That is, if I've got the BE mounted on a web server then, apparently, the only way to get to the data is through an ADO connection via ASP pages.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Wed Oct 29 08:38:23 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:38:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48026B1EE9@NEWMAN_EXC>

Not necessarily the case.  We have a "db server" of sorts which houses all
of our backend dbs.  I think, as long as you create the guest account for
IIS (IUSR_{machine name}) on the network, you can access the backend.  We do
use a FE/BE solution for in-house workers but ASP/BE for the rest.  They are
attached to the same BE, just access it differently.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet

Jim,

Thanks for your input. Are you saying that some clients get to the Access BE
via ASP on a web page and your other (LAN) clients get at in the usual way
with a FE/BE situation? My question was directed specifically at Internet
access. That is, if I've got the BE mounted on a web server then,
apparently, the only way to get to the data is through an ADO connection via
ASP pages.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 08:51:57 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:51:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
	ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELOFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c39e2c$33a0c630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of my client.
Thank you for the code.

I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.  Although at
most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.

Best,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database and
> how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
> database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
> with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
very
> dramatic.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> OpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the code.
>
> It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
>
> I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
>
> (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without For -
> and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
>
> fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
>
> in the original with
>
> fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
>
> in the new version.)
>
> Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
>
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> tsCheckTableLinksNew
>
> The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
about
> right?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> inTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Here's what I did:
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> >
> > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset
per
> > BE to speed up db
> > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > #Const LogIt = True
> > #Const TimeIt = False
> >
> > *********
> > Then add in a new function below:
> >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> Table.
> > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > '
> > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String)
> As
> > Boolean
> >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> >    Dim var As Variant
> >
> >    On Error Resume Next
> >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> >    If err <> 0 Then
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> >    Else
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> >    End If
> >    On Error GoTo 0
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name
as
> > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset,
> but
> > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> >
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> >
> >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > #Const TestNew = True
> > #If TestNew Then
> >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
Then
> > #Else
> >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > #End If
> >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> >             '.valid table link is found.
> >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
instead
> > of the old.
> >
> > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> > Tribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
> modify
> > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster
> over
> > a network?
> >
> > MTIA and regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
> >
> >
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed Oct 29 08:58:04 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:58:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
Message-ID: <001901c39e2d$121a3450$afb31bac@t740449>

I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
 
Anyone know what's going on?
 
Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com
202-314-1393
 

From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 09:15:49 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:15:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031029091549.1193609634.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jarad,

>> I think, as long as you create the guest account for IIS (IUSR_{machine name}) on the network, you can access the backend. <<

Again, the situation I described was related to connecting to an Access BE residing on a web server. As you point out, ASP is needed for anyone not on your LAN.

Thanks for your reply.

Regards,

Steve Erbach


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 29 09:27:10 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:27:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7865@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Nancy,

How is the API call declared? It should look like this...

Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Which line generates the Out Of Stack Space error?

What is the value being returned in lngLen? Does it make sense, like "9", or
is it some ridiculous value?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nancy Lytle [SMTP:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
> To:	Accessd
> Subject:	[AccessD] Out of stack space
> 
> I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
> function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
>  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Here is the function code:
> Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
> On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName
> 
>     'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
>     Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
>     Dim strUserName As String
>         strUserName = String$(254, 0)
>         lngLen = 255
>         lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
>         If lngX <> 0 Then
>             fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
>         Else
>             fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
>         End If
> Exit_fcnOSUserName:
> Exit Function
> 
> Err_fcnOSUserName:
> 
> Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
>     Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
> End Function
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>  
> It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
> of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
> debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
>  
> Anyone know what's going on?
>  
> Nancy Lytle
> EIS
> nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> 202-314-1393
>  
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 09:32:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:32:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
	DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <003c01c39e2c$33a0c630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Rocky,

I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I try to map a
drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an email re
this subject a month or two ago.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


John:

Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of my client.
Thank you for the code.

I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.  Although at
most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.

Best,

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database and
> how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
> database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
> with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
very
> dramatic.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> OpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the code.
>
> It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
>
> I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
>
> (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without For -
> and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
>
> fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
>
> in the original with
>
> fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
>
> in the new version.)
>
> Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
>
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> tsCheckTableLinksNew
>
> The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
about
> right?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> inTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Here's what I did:
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> >
> > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset
per
> > BE to speed up db
> > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > #Const LogIt = True
> > #Const TimeIt = False
> >
> > *********
> > Then add in a new function below:
> >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> Table.
> > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > '
> > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String)
> As
> > Boolean
> >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> >    Dim var As Variant
> >
> >    On Error Resume Next
> >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> >    If err <> 0 Then
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> >    Else
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> >    End If
> >    On Error GoTo 0
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name
as
> > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset,
> but
> > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> >
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> >
> >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > #Const TestNew = True
> > #If TestNew Then
> >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
Then
> > #Else
> >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > #End If
> >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> >             '.valid table link is found.
> >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
instead
> > of the old.
> >
> > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> > Tribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
> modify
> > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster
> over
> > a network?
> >
> > MTIA and regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 09:33:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:33:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
In-Reply-To: <001901c39e2d$121a3450$afb31bac@t740449>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Out of stack space usually means a recursive call that isn't ever backing
out, i.e. just recursing continuously until all memory is used.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space


I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.

Anyone know what's going on?

Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com
202-314-1393

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Wed Oct 29 09:34:06 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:34:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
Message-ID: <sf9f97a8.013@cbc.ca>

I *think* the problem is that you are create a string with a length of
254 characters

strUserName = String$(254, 0)

and then telling the API that the buffer is 255 characters

lngLen = 255
lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)

Either change lngLen to 254 or make strUserName 255 characters.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> nancy.lytle at auatac.com 29-Oct-03 9:58:04 AM >>>
I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call
my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get
rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
 
Anyone know what's going on?
 
Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com 
202-314-1393
 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Oct 29 09:38:04 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:38:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067045A@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF86@ADGSERVER>

Just a WAG, but is this code in a large module?  If so, you might want to
try putting it in it's own module.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space


I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
 
Anyone know what's going on?
 
Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com
202-314-1393
 
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed Oct 29 09:42:02 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:42:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7865@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c39e33$35ec5fb0$afb31bac@t740449>

Thanks for the reply, Lambert,

The problem comes up when the MainMenu is opened or "current" in the
following code are:

Private Sub Form_Current()
Call fcnOSUserName >>>> this is where it stops, and it never had any problem
before.
...code to show certain controls depending on the user....
End sub

Note:  fcnOSUserName is set out in a module containing the startup function
like relinking, setting user group, etc.

Access crashed just a bit ago (for a different reason) and it gave the
"sorry for the inconvenience message" then did a repair and restart and the
problem is gone - even though I had done a compact and repair.  I guess
maybe I should have tried a decompile, recompile too.

So, I don't know what caused it, but to be safe I think I will create a new
db and import everything into it, a piece at a time.

Thanks,

Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com
202-314-1393


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Out of stack space


Nancy,

How is the API call declared? It should look like this...

Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Which line generates the Out Of Stack Space error?

What is the value being returned in lngLen? Does it make sense, like "9", or
is it some ridiculous value?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nancy Lytle [SMTP:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
> To:	Accessd
> Subject:	[AccessD] Out of stack space
> 
> I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call 
> my function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
>  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Here is the function code:
> Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
> On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName
> 
>     'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
>     Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
>     Dim strUserName As String
>         strUserName = String$(254, 0)
>         lngLen = 255
>         lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
>         If lngX <> 0 Then
>             fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
>         Else
>             fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
>         End If
> Exit_fcnOSUserName:
> Exit Function
> 
> Err_fcnOSUserName:
> 
> Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
>     Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
> End Function
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>  
> It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get 
> rid of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to 
> end or debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
>  
> Anyone know what's going on?
>  
> Nancy Lytle
> EIS
> nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> 202-314-1393
>  
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Wed Oct 29 09:44:21 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:44:21 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Out of stack space
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D9F@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

Bryan,

this code works under NT, W2K, and 9x
I use it myself, exactly the same code,
just checked in a db of mine......

alun


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Bryan
Carbonnell
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2003 16:34
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Out of stack space


I *think* the problem is that you are create a string with a length of
254 characters

strUserName = String$(254, 0)

and then telling the API that the buffer is 255 characters

lngLen = 255
lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)

Either change lngLen to 254 or make strUserName 255 characters.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> nancy.lytle at auatac.com 29-Oct-03 9:58:04 AM >>>
I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call
my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get
rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
 
Anyone know what's going on?
 
Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com 
202-314-1393
 
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed Oct 29 09:47:29 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:47:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002101c39e33$f8ea2100$afb31bac@t740449>

John - I'll bet that's it, I put in a requery for the form so I could update
a text box (to increase the database version number) with the press of a
button, and I put it in the wrong place.  Now it seems to be okay.  I guess
it was just coincidence that I made the change at a time when it would make
it appear to be related to the Windows or Office versions.

Thanks Brian and Bobby for your replies also. 

Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com
202-314-1393


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Out of stack space


Out of stack space usually means a recursive call that isn't ever backing
out, i.e. just recursing continuously until all memory is used.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space


I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.

Anyone know what's going on?

Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com
202-314-1393

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 09:50:41 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:50:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEEDFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
	<002901c39d51$16945ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <009d01c39e34$6813c540$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bob:

That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below the
text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid' approach
to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of text I made the
text line and the bullet the same height and turned the bullet on and off
depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So avoided the whole
problem instead of solving it.

But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that made
the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.

Rocky

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From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Bob
>
> ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you show
> the bullet or not?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > William
> >
> > ***************************************************
> > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
> > txtBullet = Null
> > txtBullet.Visible = False
> > Else
> > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> > txtBullet.Visible = True
> > End If
> > End Sub
> > ***************************************************
> >
> > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
> > CanShrink=Yes.
> >
> > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
> >
> > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
> >
> >  [_] [_____________________________]
> >
> > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Gajewski
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
> your
> > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > indent -
> > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
> the
> > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
> the
> > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
> list
> > in
> > > a Word doc.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > concatenate
> > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
which
> > are
> > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> boilerplate
> > > > header text.
> > > >
> > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
> far,
> > > so
> > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
Italic
> > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > >
> > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
tried
> > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
with
> > the
> > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
> the
> > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> > because
> > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > >
> > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > >
> > > > It comes out like this:
> > > >
> > > >              Text One.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >              Text Two.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
bulleted
> > list
> > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
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From j.frederick at att.net  Wed Oct 29 09:56:04 2003
From: j.frederick at att.net (John Frederick)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:56:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
In-Reply-To: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FC@nt04.karta.com>
Message-ID: <KIEBKJDMKEHOPCJLKNAFEEFFCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>

When you say you have an "Access FE connected to the same BE for the folks
in the office", I assume you have an private web host and its directories
are reacheable through a LAN.  If you're using a separate web hosting
service, you can connect an Access FE using a commercial package named
Webdrive($50/copy) that uses FTP and maps the web site root into the remote
machine as a drive letter.  I have an app in operation in which the
web-based mdb is updated using code in the local Access system.  There are
some gotchas associated with this operation.  John Frederick

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet



I have an Access database BE to an ASP FE accessed by over 50 clients via
the web.  I also have an Access FE connected to the same BE for the folks in
the office.  I FTP the FE (Access and ASP) and BE to the directories when
changes have been made. The ASP files do reside in a separate directory, but
only to keep the ASP files together.
What did I miss?
Why can't Access be used as a FE when using ASP?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


James, Drew, and Martin,

Well, your answers are all very clear: Access can only be used as the back
end on the GoreNet if one uses ADO and ASP to get at it. This is what I
needed to know. Thank you.

Steve Erbach


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 10:05:24 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:05:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
	ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
links or if just checking one to see if the database is there would suffice.

Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
the location it's expected to be.

Rocky

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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I try to map a
> drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an email
re
> this subject a month or two ago.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
> DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of my client.
> Thank you for the code.
>
> I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.  Although
at
> most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
> usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
> splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database
and
> > how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
> > database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
> > with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
> very
> > dramatic.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> > OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > Thanks for the code.
> >
> > It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> >
> > I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> >
> > (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without
For -
> > and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> >
> > fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> >
> > in the original with
> >
> > fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> >
> > in the new version.)
> >
> > Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> >
> > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> > tsCheckTableLinksNew
> >
> > The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
> about
> > right?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> > inTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Here's what I did:
> > >
> > > *********
> > > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> > >
> > > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset
> per
> > > BE to speed up db
> > > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > > #Const LogIt = True
> > > #Const TimeIt = False
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Then add in a new function below:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> > Table.
> > > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > > '
> > > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> > >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As
String)
> > As
> > > Boolean
> > >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > >    Dim var As Variant
> > >
> > >    On Error Resume Next
> > >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> > >    If err <> 0 Then
> > >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> > >    Else
> > >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> > >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> > >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> > >    End If
> > >    On Error GoTo 0
> > >
> > > End Function
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name
> as
> > > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single
recordset,
> > but
> > > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> > >
> > >
> > > *********
> > > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> > >
> > >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > > #Const TestNew = True
> > > #If TestNew Then
> > >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
> Then
> > > #Else
> > >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > > #End If
> > >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> > >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> > >             '.valid table link is found.
> > >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
> instead
> > > of the old.
> > >
> > > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> > > Tribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
> > modify
> > > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks
faster
> > over
> > > a network?
> > >
> > > MTIA and regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct 29 10:19:07 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:19:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FE@nt04.karta.com>

Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with Access?
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Jim,

Thanks for your input. Are you saying that some clients get to the Access BE
via ASP on a web page and your other (LAN) clients get at in the usual way
with a FE/BE situation? My question was directed specifically at Internet
access. That is, if I've got the BE mounted on a web server then,
apparently, the only way to get to the data is through an ADO connection via
ASP pages.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 10:22:03 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:22:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEPLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Rocky,
I just check for one table. If you have more than one linked source then, of
course, this wouldn't be wise.

I have a function which accepts a table name as a parameter and check the
link. I guess it is making the assumption that if one table is OK they all
are - it's usually not a good thing to assume - but I haven't heard of any
other reason this idea is flawed. It will be interesting to watch this
thread.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
> KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
> would suffice.
>
> Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
> the location it's expected to be.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
> ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I
> try to map a
> > drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an email
> re
> > this subject a month or two ago.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
> > DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of
> my client.
> > Thank you for the code.
> >
> > I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.
>  Although
> at
> > most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
> > usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
> > splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> > ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database
> and
> > > how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more
> people in the
> > > database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus
> the speedup
> > > with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
> > very
> > > dramatic.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> > > OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the code.
> > >
> > > It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> > >
> > > I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> > > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> > >
> > > (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without
> For -
> > > and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> > >
> > > fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> > >
> > > in the original with
> > >
> > > fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> > >
> > > in the new version.)
> > >
> > > Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> > >
> > > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> > > tsCheckTableLinksNew
> > >
> > > The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
> > about
> > > right?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> > > inTribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > Here's what I did:
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> > > >
> > > > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one
> open recordset
> > per
> > > > BE to speed up db
> > > > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > > > #Const LogIt = True
> > > > #Const TimeIt = False
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > Then add in a new function below:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> '-----------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> > > > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> > > Table.
> > > > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > > > '
> > > > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > > > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> '-----------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> > > > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As
> String)
> > > As
> > > > Boolean
> > > >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > > >    Dim var As Variant
> > > >
> > > >    On Error Resume Next
> > > >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> > > >    If err <> 0 Then
> > > >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> > > >    Else
> > > >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> > > >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> > > >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> > > >    End If
> > > >    On Error GoTo 0
> > > >
> > > > End Function
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with
> the BE name
> > as
> > > > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single
> recordset,
> > > but
> > > > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> > > >
> > > >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > > > #Const TestNew = True
> > > > #If TestNew Then
> > > >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
> > Then
> > > > #Else
> > > >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > > > #End If
> > > >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> > > >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> > > >             '.valid table link is found.
> > > >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
> > instead
> > > > of the old.
> > > >
> > > > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> Connection Open in
> > > > Tribble'sRelinker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody
> know how to
> > > modify
> > > > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks
> faster
> > > over
> > > > a network?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA and regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 10:32:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:32:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPMFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

You know, I think there are options that you can set to do what you are
talking about.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


John:

I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
links or if just checking one to see if the database is there would suffice.

Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
the location it's expected to be.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I try to map a
> drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an email
re
> this subject a month or two ago.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
> DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of my client.
> Thank you for the code.
>
> I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.  Although
at
> most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
> usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
> splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database
and
> > how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
> > database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
> > with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
> very
> > dramatic.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> > OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > Thanks for the code.
> >
> > It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> >
> > I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> >
> > (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without
For -
> > and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> >
> > fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> >
> > in the original with
> >
> > fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> >
> > in the new version.)
> >
> > Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> >
> > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> > tsCheckTableLinksNew
> >
> > The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
> about
> > right?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> > inTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Here's what I did:
> > >
> > > *********
> > > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> > >
> > > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset
> per
> > > BE to speed up db
> > > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > > #Const LogIt = True
> > > #Const TimeIt = False
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Then add in a new function below:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> > Table.
> > > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > > '
> > > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> > >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As
String)
> > As
> > > Boolean
> > >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > >    Dim var As Variant
> > >
> > >    On Error Resume Next
> > >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> > >    If err <> 0 Then
> > >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> > >    Else
> > >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> > >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> > >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> > >    End If
> > >    On Error GoTo 0
> > >
> > > End Function
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name
> as
> > > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single
recordset,
> > but
> > > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> > >
> > >
> > > *********
> > > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> > >
> > >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > > #Const TestNew = True
> > > #If TestNew Then
> > >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
> Then
> > > #Else
> > >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > > #End If
> > >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> > >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> > >             '.valid table link is found.
> > >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
> instead
> > > of the old.
> > >
> > > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> > > Tribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
> > modify
> > > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks
faster
> > over
> > > a network?
> > >
> > > MTIA and regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> > AccessD mailing list
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>
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>
>
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 10:43:10 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:43:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031029104310.2077432229.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

>> Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with Access? <<

Wouldn't that be essentially the same as using a LAN connection? That is, the remote user "tunnels" into the LAN using a VPN connection, but shows a regular Windows desktop as if he were using PCAnywhere. Something like terminal server?

Steve


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 29 10:38:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:38:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You probably had the textbox positioned slightly above the bullet.  Try
top aligning them.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


Bob:

That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below
the text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid'
approach to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of
text I made the text line and the bullet the same height and turned the
bullet on and off depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So
avoided the whole problem instead of solving it.

But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that
made the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Bob
>
> ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you 
> show the bullet or not?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
> lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > William
> >
> > ***************************************************
> > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

> > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then txtBullet = Null
> > txtBullet.Visible = False
> > Else
> > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> > txtBullet.Visible = True
> > End If
> > End Sub
> > ***************************************************
> >
> > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and 
> > CanShrink=Yes.
> >
> > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
> >
> > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
> >
> >  [_] [_____________________________]
> >
> > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Gajewski
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William 
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline 
> > with
> your
> > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH

> > :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > indent -
> > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted 
> > > with
> the
> > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet

> > > to
> the
> > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a 
> > > bulleted
> list
> > in
> > > a Word doc.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > concatenate
> > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
which
> > are
> > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> boilerplate
> > > > header text.
> > > >
> > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.

> > > > So
> far,
> > > so
> > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
Italic
> > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > >
> > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
tried
> > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
with
> > the
> > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I 
> > > > make
> the
> > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except 
> > > > that
> > because
> > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > >
> > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > >
> > > > It comes out like this:
> > > >
> > > >              Text One.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >              Text Two.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
bulleted
> > list
> > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 29 10:54:18 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:54:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123F0@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give them the result they're
looking for and hide the details so they don't realize I did it right
instead of the way they wanted it done.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same boat many
times....fortunately, the people I work with don't have the first clue
of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.  <evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
heheheh

Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
sense into people, they still wanna do what they wanna
do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do. 
Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my boss,
I lose....hehehe

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off
> of the top of my head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have
> mobile databases.  Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY possibility of 
> > duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of different 
> > functions based upon the data in tables specific to certain 
> > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a questionnaire go into one 
> > table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you. _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 10:55:14 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:55:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
In-Reply-To: <20031029104310.2077432229.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20031029165514.31053.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com>

VPN is nothing like Terminal Server.

VPN (Virtual Private Networking) creates a "tunnel" to
act as a LAN connection to a private network via the
Internet.  This "virtual private network" tunnel
allows you to act as if you were physically hard-wired
to the LAN.

You're thinking of VNC.  Which is an Open
Source/Freeware remote desktop tool similar to
PCanywhere/Terminal Server/Citrix Metaframe.

--- "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com> wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> >> Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with
> Access? <<
> 
> Wouldn't that be essentially the same as using a LAN
> connection? That is, the remote user "tunnels" into
> the LAN using a VPN connection, but shows a regular
> Windows desktop as if he were using PCAnywhere.
> Something like terminal server?
> 
> Steve
> 
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct 29 11:01:48 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:01:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E112502@nt04.karta.com>

That's correct.
I've used Windows XP to VPN to my work network drives and have been able to
connect to a BE.  I have mapped the drives at home the same as at work.  I
do have broadband internet connection at home... it is slightly slower than
at work but it does the job I need.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Jim,

>> Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with Access? <<

Wouldn't that be essentially the same as using a LAN connection? That is,
the remote user "tunnels" into the LAN using a VPN connection, but shows a
regular Windows desktop as if he were using PCAnywhere. Something like
terminal server?

Steve

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Oct 29 10:52:47 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:22:47 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227332@main2.marlow.com>
	<000601c39342$585e3740$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <00a901c39e3d$5722adb0$02edf73d@winxp>

Lonnie,

    You may like to have a look at the sample database file named MatchCombinations_2K.zip just prepared by me. 

    It is available at Rogers Access Library (Other Developer's Section) and can be accessed at the following link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

    The db is in Access 2000 file format, developed on Access XP installation. Some of the salient features are outlined in the note given below.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
Description (MatchCombinations_2K.zip) -
    This is an exercise in matching largest possible combinations of positive and negative values for a given field in the database so that their overall values offset each other. This information is relevant to certain systems of book keeping. 
    In order to achieve best results, at the same time avoiding unaffordable slowing down in processing each and every possible combination (the number of theoretically possible combinations could assume astronomical proportions as the total number of records in the database increases), following sort sequence is adopted for positive and negative values before computing their running sums, each subset of which is in turn subjected to cartesian comparison -
    (a) Pos Asc,         Neg Asc
    (b) Pos Asc,         Neg Desc
    (c) Pos Desc,       Neg Asc
    (d) Pos Desc,       Neg Desc
    (e) Pos Random, Neg Random

    Finally, the best result out of the above can be displayed on clicking the appropriate command button.
---------------------------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 23:02
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem


  ...one record against another ...but afaik, not multiple combinations of 2,
  3, 4, 5, etc

  William Hindman
  "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
  those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
  have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
  ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:16 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem

  > JET runs every possible combination when you don't give it something to
  JOIN
  > with.  That forces the all combination loop.
  >
  > Drew
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:08 PM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem>
  >
  > ...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
  > lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum
  to
  > zero?
  >
  > William Hindman
  > "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
  > those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
  > have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
  > ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal">
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
  > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem>
  >
  > > What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
  > between
  > > the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
  > > create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the
  > other
  > > fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
  > >
  > > Drew
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
  > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem> >
  > >
  > > I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
  > > possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
  > > records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
  > > repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
  > > "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".> >
  > >
  > > Mark
  > >
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
  > > To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
  > > Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
  > >
  > >
  > > This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.
  > >
  > > Example:
  > >
  > > MyField
  > >    5
  > >   -2
  > >    7
  > >   -3
  > >    6
  > >
  > > This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
  > (5, -2, -3).
  > > I hope someone has something.> >
  > >
  > >
  > > Lonnie Johnson
  > > ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  > > Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us


From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 11:21:17 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:21:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <00a901c39e3d$5722adb0$02edf73d@winxp>
Message-ID: <20031029172117.25760.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>



Thanks A.D.Tejpal



"A.D.Tejpal" <adtp at touchtelindia.net> wrote: Lonnie,

You may like to have a look at the sample database file named MatchCombinations_2K.zip just prepared by me. 

It is available at Rogers Access Library (Other Developer's Section) and can be accessed at the following link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

The db is in Access 2000 file format, developed on Access XP installation. Some of the salient features are outlined in the note given below.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
Description (MatchCombinations_2K.zip) -
This is an exercise in matching largest possible combinations of positive and negative values for a given field in the database so that their overall values offset each other. This information is relevant to certain systems of book keeping. 
In order to achieve best results, at the same time avoiding unaffordable slowing down in processing each and every possible combination (the number of theoretically possible combinations could assume astronomical proportions as the total number of records in the database increases), following sort sequence is adopted for positive and negative values before computing their running sums, each subset of which is in turn subjected to cartesian comparison -
(a) Pos Asc, Neg Asc
(b) Pos Asc, Neg Desc
(c) Pos Desc, Neg Asc
(d) Pos Desc, Neg Desc
(e) Pos Random, Neg Random

Finally, the best result out of the above can be displayed on clicking the appropriate command button.
---------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: William Hindman 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 23:02
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem


...one record against another ...but afaik, not multiple combinations of 2,
3, 4, 5, etc

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" 
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem

> JET runs every possible combination when you don't give it something to
JOIN
> with. That forces the all combination loop.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:08 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem>
>
> ...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
> lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum
to
> zero?
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal">
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" 
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem>
>
> > What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
> between
> > the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
> > create the combinations for you. The last field would be a sum of the
> other
> > fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem> >
> >
> > I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would accomplish this. I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution would be over my head. The first stumbling block is allowing for any
> > possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
> > records in the recordset. The second is tracking each "hit" without
> > repeating that combination later on in a different order. I'm usually a
> > "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
> > To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
> >
> >
> > This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > MyField
> > 5
> > -2
> > 7
> > -3
> > 6
> >
> > This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
> (5, -2, -3).
> > I hope someone has something.> >
> >
> >
> > Lonnie Johnson
> > ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> > Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 29 11:26:28 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:26:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
	ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <7434547967.20031029182628@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

> I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> links or if just checking one to see if the database is there would suffice.

> Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
> the location it's expected to be.

In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the relinking which,
by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access refreshes
the links when you open your app. Only when your backend database(s)
has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or broken, I've
found that relinking is needed.

It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the backend file
and act according to any errors found.

First, list the backend files:

<SQL>

  SELECT DISTINCT
    Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
  FROM
    MSysObjects
  WHERE
    Type = 6;

</SQL>

Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has been moved
and relinking is needed. 

If the file is found you may try to open it. If this fails, relinking
won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have to be carried
out.

For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only is relevant
if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with the backend
database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.

As you can see, the only situation where relinking is needed is if the
backend has been moved since the last time the app was used which for
a well managed network only will happen at the initial load of the app
at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.

The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the backend is
not found - tries to haunt down the current drive structure to locate
an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be triggered if
the workstation for some reason cannot login to the network. Users in
general have no clue where the backend is located; they are happy if
the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local backup, the
user may be working with outdated data without knowing it which indeed
for accounting people can be a disaster.

This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
used when linking to a server engine.

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 29 11:27:48 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:27:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Duplicate Public Functions NOT causing compile error in AXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Has anyone else seen this problem?  We use SourceSafe and in converting
an app to XP and sharing modules from other XP projects in VSS, I've
discovered that two routines in different standard modules, both
declared public, may NOT cause a compile error in the project.  If the
only calls to that routine are in property sheets (i.e., =MyFunction()),
the ambiguous name error won't turn up until you happen to use an object
with that routine call from its property.  If the routine is called in
an event procedure, the syntax checking seems to work, but not with a
direct call.  I personally don't use the latter technique, but some of
our forms have been around a long time and other developers have used
that technique to create lighter weight forms.

I dont' remember running into this in previous versions of Access, but
it's been awhile.  Even if the project is compacted out of VSS, it will
still compile and then throw an error when an object that calls the
ambiguous routine is opened.

Charlotte Foust

From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Oct 29 11:39:43 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:39:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <024901c39d81$c6f6a220$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <012101c39e43$a4038f40$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

Andy,

I would suggest a variation of option 2:

* In your Popup's module:
  - Set Cancel=True in the Form_Unload event to reliably prevent the user
from closing the form.
  - Add any other public subs required to display messages, update progress
bars, etc.

* Create a class module, CUserPopup, to manage your Popup form.
  - Add a module level form object variable:  Private mFrmPopup As
Form_YourPopup
  - In Class_Initialize, create an instance of the form:  Set mFrmPopup =
New Form_YourPopup
  - In Class_Terminate, add this line:  Set mFrmPopup = Nothing
  - Add a public sub, Show, with one line:  mFrmPopup.Visible = True
  - Add any public subs required as wrappers for the popup's display and
update routines

* In your command button event procedure:
	Dim rPopup as CUserPopup
      Set rPopup = New CUserPopup  ' Creates Popup form
      rPopup.Show
      ' (Run your Procedure)
      Set rPopup = Nothing         ' (optional) Destroys Popup form

The beauty of this is, you don't have to worry about shutting down the
popup. Set rPopup = Nothing is really there for good form. Even if the
procedure errors out, rPopup will go out of scope at the end of the
procedure, and be terminated, destroying the popup form.

With this setup, the popup is divorced from any other function, so you can
use it in any circumstance you like, without needing to modify the Popup's
code.

Also interesting is that regardless of Cancel=True in the Unload event, the
popup gets closed anyway in Class_Terminate. This is because an object needs
at least one reference to exist. When that reference, in this case
mFrmPopup, is set to Nothing, the form object will be destroyed,
protestations of the Unload event notwithstanding.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


Thanks John. Yes I think that's where I'm heading (option 2). Am going
to take a look at JC's progress form as a basis.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 28 October 2003 16:14
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> Hi Andy,
> Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation using two
> methods:
>
> -Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the maximum
> amount of time this process will take which I only use for
> non-critical processes to give the user a heads up to what is
> happening.
>
> -Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls
> the procedure. When the procedure returns a value close the
> form. The command button doesn't actually call the procedure
> but rather it calls the form that calls the procedure, thus
> making the procedure calling form easily reusable, just have
> a button that opens the form.
>
> It sounds like the latter might fit your case.
>
> HTH
> John Bartow
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks
> > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> > before the
> > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> > that, short of
> > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their
> fingers off if
> > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number
> of buttons
> > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a
> > > function which just disabled all of those things then re-enabled
> > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy.
> Is there a
> > > cleaner way of just
> > temporarily
> > > disabling the app?
> > > --
> >
> > One way would be to open another form  modally ie.
> > "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the
> > routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has
> > finished.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Support.
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> >
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 29 11:45:45 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:45:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C793@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

This has me so baffled!

I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to the
production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add new
records. This button does not work in the production dB.

I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False is,
when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.

Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
something else?

Virginia

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 11:47:29 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:47:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123F0@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEILEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Dittos here. However in Frank's Case it sounds like he has somebody looking
into the app. to see how its done rather what the results.

JB
"Control freaks "freak" me out!"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
>
>
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 29 11:51:02 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:51:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C794@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can add
records. This is crazy.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


This has me so baffled!

I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to the
production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add new
records. This button does not work in the production dB.

I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False is,
when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.

Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
something else?

Virginia

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 11:52:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:52:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <7434547967.20031029182628@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

Actually this is not quite true.  The relinker also checks for linked Excel
spreadsheets, DBXX tables, etc.  I have no idea whether these show up in the
msysobjects table where type = 6.

I sure like the idea though.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


Hi Rocky

> I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> links or if just checking one to see if the database is there would
suffice.

> Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
> the location it's expected to be.

In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the relinking which,
by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access refreshes
the links when you open your app. Only when your backend database(s)
has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or broken, I've
found that relinking is needed.

It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the backend file
and act according to any errors found.

First, list the backend files:

<SQL>

  SELECT DISTINCT
    Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
  FROM
    MSysObjects
  WHERE
    Type = 6;

</SQL>

Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has been moved
and relinking is needed.

If the file is found you may try to open it. If this fails, relinking
won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have to be carried
out.

For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only is relevant
if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with the backend
database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.

As you can see, the only situation where relinking is needed is if the
backend has been moved since the last time the app was used which for
a well managed network only will happen at the initial load of the app
at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.

The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the backend is
not found - tries to haunt down the current drive structure to locate
an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be triggered if
the workstation for some reason cannot login to the network. Users in
general have no clue where the backend is located; they are happy if
the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local backup, the
user may be working with outdated data without knowing it which indeed
for accounting people can be a disaster.

This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
used when linking to a server engine.

/gustav

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 12:01:45 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:01:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEILEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <20031029180145.94108.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

That is exactly the case.

On another note.  I have it pulling a single record
like I want.  What a pain....hehehe

My problem now is, that it gives me a "unable to lock
table" blah bla when I call it from my main form via a
command button due to the table being used by a
subform.

Is there a way I can temporarily disable the subform
while the code behind the button is doing it's work so
I can remedy this error?

--- John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Dittos here. However in Frank's Case it sounds like
> he has somebody looking
> into the app. to see how its done rather what the
> results.
> 
> JB
> "Control freaks "freak" me out!"
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> >
> >
> > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 29 12:04:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:04:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <14836826133.20031029190426@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You're right, it will not list linked Jet files only, also xls etc.

Text files and dBases, however, are only listed by the path as they
each contain one table only.

/gustav


> Actually this is not quite true.  The relinker also checks for linked Excel
> spreadsheets, DBXX tables, etc.  I have no idea whether these show up in the
> msysobjects table where type = 6.

> I sure like the idea though.


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 29 12:10:55 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:10:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C797@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Next part of this saga...

I set the form I want to update as the startup form & everything works just
fine. When I use the switchboard as the startup form, the new form does not
work.

So, now the question is, Why is my switchboard interfering with this new
form & not allowing me to add new records?

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can add
records. This is crazy.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


This has me so baffled!

I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to the
production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add new
records. This button does not work in the production dB.

I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False is,
when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.

Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
something else?

Virginia

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 12:18:47 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:18:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <7434547967.20031029182628@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEAAFEAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
I think like this idea.

Is this the gist of it (in laymen's terms)?
-I look for the BE file at the last known location
-if its found all should be good
-only if there is some reason to relink -call a relinking procedure

Also in my relinking function I started out with someone else's code to do
this. It originally did try to "hunt down" the BE if it wasn't found in the
last known location. As I was modifying the code to suit my needs I removed
the hunting code for the same reasons you stated. That was way too much
assuming for me!

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
> KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> Hi Rocky
>
> > I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> > links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
> would suffice.
>
> > Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is
> present in
> > the location it's expected to be.
>
> In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the relinking which,
> by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access refreshes
> the links when you open your app. Only when your backend database(s)
> has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or broken, I've
> found that relinking is needed.
>
> It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the backend file
> and act according to any errors found.
>
> First, list the backend files:
>
> <SQL>
>
>   SELECT DISTINCT
>     Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
>   FROM
>     MSysObjects
>   WHERE
>     Type = 6;
>
> </SQL>
>
> Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
> either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has been moved
> and relinking is needed.
>
> If the file is found you may try to open it. If this fails, relinking
> won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
> corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have to be carried
> out.
>
> For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only is relevant
> if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with the backend
> database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
> collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
> Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.
>
> As you can see, the only situation where relinking is needed is if the
> backend has been moved since the last time the app was used which for
> a well managed network only will happen at the initial load of the app
> at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.
>
> The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the backend is
> not found - tries to haunt down the current drive structure to locate
> an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be triggered if
> the workstation for some reason cannot login to the network. Users in
> general have no clue where the backend is located; they are happy if
> the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local backup, the
> user may be working with outdated data without knowing it which indeed
> for accounting people can be a disaster.
>
> This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
> used when linking to a server engine.
>
> /gustav
>
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>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 12:18:47 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:18:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <012101c39e43$a4038f40$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEINEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

I think I like this idea too!

Its a good day on the list for me :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:40 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I would suggest a variation of option 2:
>
> * In your Popup's module:
>   - Set Cancel=True in the Form_Unload event to reliably prevent the user
> from closing the form.
>   - Add any other public subs required to display messages,
> update progress
> bars, etc.
>
> * Create a class module, CUserPopup, to manage your Popup form.
>   - Add a module level form object variable:  Private mFrmPopup As
> Form_YourPopup
>   - In Class_Initialize, create an instance of the form:  Set mFrmPopup =
> New Form_YourPopup
>   - In Class_Terminate, add this line:  Set mFrmPopup = Nothing
>   - Add a public sub, Show, with one line:  mFrmPopup.Visible = True
>   - Add any public subs required as wrappers for the popup's display and
> update routines
>
> * In your command button event procedure:
> 	Dim rPopup as CUserPopup
>       Set rPopup = New CUserPopup  ' Creates Popup form
>       rPopup.Show
>       ' (Run your Procedure)
>       Set rPopup = Nothing         ' (optional) Destroys Popup form
>
> The beauty of this is, you don't have to worry about shutting down the
> popup. Set rPopup = Nothing is really there for good form. Even if the
> procedure errors out, rPopup will go out of scope at the end of the
> procedure, and be terminated, destroying the popup form.
>
> With this setup, the popup is divorced from any other function, so you can
> use it in any circumstance you like, without needing to modify the Popup's
> code.
>
> Also interesting is that regardless of Cancel=True in the Unload
> event, the
> popup gets closed anyway in Class_Terminate. This is because an
> object needs
> at least one reference to exist. When that reference, in this case
> mFrmPopup, is set to Nothing, the form object will be destroyed,
> protestations of the Unload event notwithstanding.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> Thanks John. Yes I think that's where I'm heading (option 2). Am going
> to take a look at JC's progress form as a basis.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: 28 October 2003 16:14
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> > Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation using two
> > methods:
> >
> > -Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the maximum
> > amount of time this process will take which I only use for
> > non-critical processes to give the user a heads up to what is
> > happening.
> >
> > -Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls
> > the procedure. When the procedure returns a value close the
> > form. The command button doesn't actually call the procedure
> > but rather it calls the form that calls the procedure, thus
> > making the procedure calling form easily reusable, just have
> > a button that opens the form.
> >
> > It sounds like the latter might fit your case.
> >
> > HTH
> > John Bartow
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > > McLachlan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi folks
> > > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> > > before the
> > > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> > > that, short of
> > > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their
> > fingers off if
> > > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number
> > of buttons
> > > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a
> > > > function which just disabled all of those things then re-enabled
> > > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy.
> > Is there a
> > > > cleaner way of just
> > > temporarily
> > > > disabling the app?
> > > > --
> > >
> > > One way would be to open another form  modally ie.
> > > "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the
> > > routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has
> > > finished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lexacorp Ltd
> > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> > > Support.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 29 12:35:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:35:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEAAFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEAAFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <7738718954.20031029193559@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, that has worked for me since 1994 and Access 2.0.

The only situation where I have done an automatic relinking is for an
app which has an external systems lookup database (which I can update
separately). This is assumed to reside in the same path as the app.
Thus, if the app can't see it, it is probably because both the app and
the system database have been relocated; now the app looks for it in
its own directory and if found, it relinks the tables (takes about a
second) and if not, it pops up an error box.

/gustav


> Hi Gustav,
> I think like this idea.

> Is this the gist of it (in laymen's terms)?
> -I look for the BE file at the last known location
> -if its found all should be good
> -only if there is some reason to relink -call a relinking procedure

> Also in my relinking function I started out with someone else's code to do
> this. It originally did try to "hunt down" the BE if it wasn't found in the
> last known location. As I was modifying the code to suit my needs I removed
> the hunting code for the same reasons you stated. That was way too much
> assuming for me!

> JB

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
>> KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>>
>>
>> Hi Rocky
>>
>> > I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
>> > links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
>> would suffice.
>>
>> > Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is
>> present in
>> > the location it's expected to be.
>>
>> In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the relinking which,
>> by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access refreshes
>> the links when you open your app. Only when your backend database(s)
>> has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or broken, I've
>> found that relinking is needed.
>>
>> It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the backend file
>> and act according to any errors found.
>>
>> First, list the backend files:
>>
>> <SQL>
>>
>>   SELECT DISTINCT
>>     Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
>>   FROM
>>     MSysObjects
>>   WHERE
>>     Type = 6;
>>
>> </SQL>
>>
>> Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
>> either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has been moved
>> and relinking is needed.
>>
>> If the file is found you may try to open it. If this fails, relinking
>> won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
>> corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have to be carried
>> out.
>>
>> For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only is relevant
>> if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with the backend
>> database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
>> collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
>> Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.
>>
>> As you can see, the only situation where relinking is needed is if the
>> backend has been moved since the last time the app was used which for
>> a well managed network only will happen at the initial load of the app
>> at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.
>>
>> The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the backend is
>> not found - tries to haunt down the current drive structure to locate
>> an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be triggered if
>> the workstation for some reason cannot login to the network. Users in
>> general have no clue where the backend is located; they are happy if
>> the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local backup, the
>> user may be working with outdated data without knowing it which indeed
>> for accounting people can be a disaster.
>>
>> This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
>> used when linking to a server engine.
>>
>> /gustav


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Oct 29 12:40:52 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:10:52 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002401c39e4c$6700bab0$22edf73d@winxp>

Rocky,

    Having aligned the tops of bullet label and the text box, you may like to ensure dynamic positioning and sizing of controls horizontally. Can grow & can shrink properties of detail section (as well as the controls in it) have to be Yes. Overlapping of any controls in design view may be avoided.

    Sample code is given below. TxtRmk is the main text box, while LbBT is the label containing the bullet. Hard values used in the sample code (incl Wd1 & Wd2) can be adjusted suitably so as to get the desired results.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
--------------
Code Start
--------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const Wd1 As Integer = 400
Const Wd2 As Integer = 5000
--------------------------------------------------
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                        FormatCount As Integer)
    TxtRmk.Width = 100     ' Safe value - to prevent 
'                                              error on a/c of space constaint.
    If BulletCriteria = "Y"  Then
        LbBT.Visible = True
        LbBT.Width = Wd1
        TxtRmk.Left = LbBT.Left + Wd1 + 100       ' A
        TxtRmk.Width = Wd2 - (Wd1 + 100)            ' B
    Else
        LbBT.Visible = False
        LbBT.Width = 0.01 * Wd1
        TxtRmk.Left = LbBT.Left + 0.01 * Wd1 + 100   ' C
        TxtRmk.Width = Wd2 - (0.01 * Wd1 + 100)        ' D
    End If
' Note - (A + B) should equal (C + D)
End Sub
--------------
Code End
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 22:08
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  You probably had the textbox positioned slightly above the bullet.  Try
  top aligning them.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  Bob:

  That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below
  the text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid'
  approach to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of
  text I made the text line and the bullet the same height and turned the
  bullet on and off depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So
  avoided the whole problem instead of solving it.

  But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that
  made the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.

  Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  > Bob
  >
  > ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you 
  > show the bullet or not?
  >
  > William Hindman
  > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
  > lifetime?
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  >
  >
  > > William
  > >
  > > ***************************************************
  > > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

  > > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then txtBullet = Null
  > > txtBullet.Visible = False
  > > Else
  > > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
  > > txtBullet.Visible = True
  > > End If
  > > End Sub
  > > ***************************************************
  > >
  > > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and 
  > > CanShrink=Yes.
  > >
  > > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
  > >
  > > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
  > >
  > >  [_] [_____________________________]
  > >
  > > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
  > >
  > > Regards,
  > > Bob Gajewski
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William 
  > > Hindman
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
  > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > >
  > >
  > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
  > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline 
  > > with
  > your
  > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH

  > > :)
  > >
  > > William Hindman
  > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  lifetime?
  > >
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > >
  > >
  > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
  > > indent -
  > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted 
  > > > with
  > the
  > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet

  > > > to
  > the
  > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a 
  > > > bulleted
  > list
  > > in
  > > > a Word doc.
  > > >
  > > > Rocky
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
  > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
  > > concatenate
  > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
  > > > >
  > > > > William Hindman
  > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  > > lifetime?
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
  > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >    Dear List:
  > > > >
  > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
  which
  > > are
  > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
  > boilerplate
  > > > > header text.
  > > > >
  > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.

  > > > > So
  > far,
  > > > so
  > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
  Italic
  > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
  > > > >
  > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
  tried
  > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
  with
  > > the
  > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I 
  > > > > make
  > the
  > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except 
  > > > > that
  > > because
  > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
  > > > >
  > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
  > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
  > > > >
  > > > > It comes out like this:
  > > > >
  > > > >              Text One.
  > > > > (bullet)
  > > > >              Text Two.
  > > > > (bullet)
  > > > >
  > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
  bulleted
  > > list
  > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
  > > > >
  > > > > MTIA,
  > > > >
  > > > > Rocky Smolin
  > > > > Beach Access Software 


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 13:11:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:11:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS NewVal
FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal is
always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me -1.
I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 29 13:33:08 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:33:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Bit mapping in SQL (was: brain farts)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <17742147975.20031029203308@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I've noticed the same thing.
I don't know why except that bit mapping could be beyond ANSI-SQL.

4 OR 1 is interpreted as True Or True which is .. True.

I went away using integer division (\) and modulus (MOD) but that's
troublesome as you can see in my post from 2003-10-15 on

  Re: [AccessD] Math Problem
  
/gustav


> Folks,

> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:

> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS NewVal
> FROM MsysForms;

> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal is
> always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me -1.
> I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 13:41:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:41:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227430@main2.marlow.com>

Works like a charm, don't you think?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give them the result they're
looking for and hide the details so they don't realize I did it right
instead of the way they wanted it done.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same boat many
times....fortunately, the people I work with don't have the first clue
of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.  <evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
heheheh

Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
sense into people, they still wanna do what they wanna
do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do. 
Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my boss,
I lose....hehehe

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off
> of the top of my head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have
> mobile databases.  Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY possibility of 
> > duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of different 
> > functions based upon the data in tables specific to certain 
> > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a questionnaire go into one 
> > table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you. _______________________________________________
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 13:46:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:46:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227431@main2.marlow.com>

If you are trying to see if a particular bit is on or off, you want AND, not
OR.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:12 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts


Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS NewVal
FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal is
always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me -1.
I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 13:47:29 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:47:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227430@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031029194729.77220.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't do
some sort of code review.

Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
three tables.  There's only one here."

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Works like a charm, don't you think?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same
> boat many
> times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> have the first clue
> of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways. 
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
> heheheh
> 
> Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> wanna
> do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do.
> 
> Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> boss,
> I lose....hehehe
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> > 
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off
> > of the top of my head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have
> > mobile databases.  Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> > 
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY possibility of 
> > > duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of different 
> > > functions based upon the data in tables specific
> to certain 
> > > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a
> questionnaire go into one 
> > > table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> 
=== message truncated ===


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 13:50:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:50:57 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <012101c39e43$a4038f40$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <003001c39e55$f8eb6110$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Ken. I'll work through this tomorrow.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
> Sent: 29 October 2003 17:40
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> I would suggest a variation of option 2:
> 
> * In your Popup's module:
>   - Set Cancel=True in the Form_Unload event to reliably 
> prevent the user from closing the form.
>   - Add any other public subs required to display messages, 
> update progress bars, etc.
> 
> * Create a class module, CUserPopup, to manage your Popup form.
>   - Add a module level form object variable:  Private 
> mFrmPopup As Form_YourPopup
>   - In Class_Initialize, create an instance of the form:  Set 
> mFrmPopup = New Form_YourPopup
>   - In Class_Terminate, add this line:  Set mFrmPopup = Nothing
>   - Add a public sub, Show, with one line:  mFrmPopup.Visible = True
>   - Add any public subs required as wrappers for the popup's 
> display and update routines
> 
> * In your command button event procedure:
> 	Dim rPopup as CUserPopup
>       Set rPopup = New CUserPopup  ' Creates Popup form
>       rPopup.Show
>       ' (Run your Procedure)
>       Set rPopup = Nothing         ' (optional) Destroys Popup form
> 
> The beauty of this is, you don't have to worry about shutting 
> down the popup. Set rPopup = Nothing is really there for good 
> form. Even if the procedure errors out, rPopup will go out of 
> scope at the end of the procedure, and be terminated, 
> destroying the popup form.
> 
> With this setup, the popup is divorced from any other 
> function, so you can use it in any circumstance you like, 
> without needing to modify the Popup's code.
> 
> Also interesting is that regardless of Cancel=True in the 
> Unload event, the popup gets closed anyway in 
> Class_Terminate. This is because an object needs at least one 
> reference to exist. When that reference, in this case 
> mFrmPopup, is set to Nothing, the form object will be 
> destroyed, protestations of the Unload event notwithstanding.
> 
> -Ken
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Thanks John. Yes I think that's where I'm heading (option 2). 
> Am going to take a look at JC's progress form as a basis.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Bartow
> > Sent: 28 October 2003 16:14
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> > Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation 
> using two
> > methods:
> >
> > -Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the 
> maximum amount 
> > of time this process will take which I only use for non-critical 
> > processes to give the user a heads up to what is happening.
> >
> > -Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls the 
> > procedure. When the procedure returns a value close the form. The 
> > command button doesn't actually call the procedure but 
> rather it calls 
> > the form that calls the procedure, thus making the 
> procedure calling 
> > form easily reusable, just have a button that opens the form.
> >
> > It sounds like the latter might fit your case.
> >
> > HTH
> > John Bartow
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > > McLachlan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi folks
> > > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> > > before the
> > > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> > > that, short of
> > > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their
> > fingers off if
> > > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number
> > of buttons
> > > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a 
> > > > function which just disabled all of those things then 
> re-enabled 
> > > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy.
> > Is there a
> > > > cleaner way of just
> > > temporarily
> > > > disabling the app?
> > > > --
> > >
> > > One way would be to open another form  modally ie. 
> > > "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the 
> > > routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has 
> > > finished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lexacorp Ltd
> > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
> > > Support.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed Oct 29 13:51:56 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:51:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <OFF3BB4719.F71F75DC-ON86256DCE.006D0C86-86256DCE.006D2045@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


Make sure they cannot do a code review by making an MDE and then do NOT let
them near your source MDB.


                                                                                                                                 
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It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't do
some sort of code review.

Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
three tables.  There's only one here."

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Works like a charm, don't you think?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same
> boat many
> times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> have the first clue
> of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> <evilgrin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> heheheh
>
> Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> wanna
> do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do.
>
> Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> boss,
> I lose....hehehe
>
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off
> > of the top of my head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have
> > mobile databases.  Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY possibility of
> > > duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of different
> > > functions based upon the data in tables specific
> to certain
> > > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a
> questionnaire go into one
> > > table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 14:04:08 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:04:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <OFF3BB4719.F71F75DC-ON86256DCE.006D0C86-86256DCE.006D2045@nc.us.bank-dns.com>
Message-ID: <20031029200408.26731.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

Sure.  I can see it now....

"No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and the
second in command of the company, but you're not
authorized to see it."

I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
fill out the insubordination write-up and termination
papers.

--- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> 
> Make sure they cannot do a code review by making an
> MDE and then do NOT let
> them near your source MDB.
> 
> 
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     "Frank Tanner III"              
>                                                     
>                        
>                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>      
>  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"                 
>                     Sent by:                        
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                     
>                        
>                     accessd-bounces at databasead      
>  cc:                                                
>                        
>                     visors.com                      
>  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> Access Question.            
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM             
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Please respond to "Access       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Developers discussion and       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     problem solving"                
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't
> do
> some sort of code review.
> 
> Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> three tables.  There's only one here."
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust
> > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > them the result they're
> > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > realize I did it right
> > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> same
> > boat many
> > times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> > have the first clue
> > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine
> is
> > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > heheheh
> >
> > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > wanna
> > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> do.
> >
> > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > boss,
> > I lose....hehehe
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> > off
> > > of the top of my head,
> > > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> > have
> > > mobile databases.  Even
> > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> sitting
> > > there, in case one of the
> > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > replication! <grin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman
> > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > much
> > > of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > > over the place and creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> > be
> > > much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much
> as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > build
> > > rather than a database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY possibility of
> > > > duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track
> > of different
> > > > functions based upon the data in tables
> specific
> 
=== message truncated ===


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 14:14:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:14:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227437@main2.marlow.com>

You don't have real novices then...grin.  The people I work with/for aren't
intelligent enough to even figure out they need to click the 'Tables' tab to
see the tables.....well, my co-worker is, but he and I work together, not
against each other.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't do
some sort of code review.

Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
three tables.  There's only one here."

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Works like a charm, don't you think?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same
> boat many
> times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> have the first clue
> of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways. 
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
> heheheh
> 
> Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> wanna
> do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do.
> 
> Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> boss,
> I lose....hehehe
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> > 
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off
> > of the top of my head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have
> > mobile databases.  Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> > 
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY possibility of 
> > > duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of different 
> > > functions based upon the data in tables specific
> to certain 
> > > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a
> questionnaire go into one 
> > > table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> 
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From James at fcidms.com  Wed Oct 29 14:37:58 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:37:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251BEABB@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211D3@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

John,
As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:

Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
    BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
End Function

Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
create one function and pass the operator you want to use. 
Hope this helps.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts


Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
NewVal FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
-1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 14:38:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:38:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222743A@main2.marlow.com>

LOL.  Actually, I have the only password in the company that no one else
knows (though my co-worker may know it.)  It's l0phtCrack proof, and I have
all of my Data drives on this machine set so only my account can read them.
My boss has asked me why a few times, and I just stick to one story.  I
don't want anyone to goof with any of my current projects.  Simple story,
and it works.  He knows he doesn't have anywhere near a strong enough grasp
of what I do to go mucking around in my data files.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


Sure.  I can see it now....

"No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and the
second in command of the company, but you're not
authorized to see it."

I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
fill out the insubordination write-up and termination
papers.

--- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> 
> Make sure they cannot do a code review by making an
> MDE and then do NOT let
> them near your source MDB.
> 
> 
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     "Frank Tanner III"              
>                                                     
>                        
>                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>      
>  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"                 
>                     Sent by:                        
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                     
>                        
>                     accessd-bounces at databasead      
>  cc:                                                
>                        
>                     visors.com                      
>  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> Access Question.            
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM             
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Please respond to "Access       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Developers discussion and       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     problem solving"                
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't
> do
> some sort of code review.
> 
> Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> three tables.  There's only one here."
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust
> > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > them the result they're
> > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > realize I did it right
> > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> same
> > boat many
> > times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> > have the first clue
> > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine
> is
> > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > heheheh
> >
> > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > wanna
> > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> do.
> >
> > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > boss,
> > I lose....hehehe
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> > off
> > > of the top of my head,
> > > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> > have
> > > mobile databases.  Even
> > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> sitting
> > > there, in case one of the
> > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > replication! <grin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman
> > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > much
> > > of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > > over the place and creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> > be
> > > much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much
> as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > build
> > > rather than a database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY possibility of
> > > > duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track
> > of different
> > > > functions based upon the data in tables
> specific
> 
=== message truncated ===

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 14:50:34 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:50:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222743A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031029205034.30995.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

I wish I had that kind of autonomy with the MS Access
stuff.

I have that with the entire LAN and WAN
infrastructure.  There are places in the buildings
that not even the company president has the access to
go, of course he could get it.  Same with passwords,
etc of all of the equipment.  They leave all of that
to me and they don't want to know, as long as it
works.

However, these little "side projects" like this one,
they want total control over.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> LOL.  Actually, I have the only password in the
> company that no one else
> knows (though my co-worker may know it.)  It's
> l0phtCrack proof, and I have
> all of my Data drives on this machine set so only my
> account can read them.
> My boss has asked me why a few times, and I just
> stick to one story.  I
> don't want anyone to goof with any of my current
> projects.  Simple story,
> and it works.  He knows he doesn't have anywhere
> near a strong enough grasp
> of what I do to go mucking around in my data files.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> Sure.  I can see it now....
> 
> "No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
> work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and
> the
> second in command of the company, but you're not
> authorized to see it."
> 
> I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
> fill out the insubordination write-up and
> termination
> papers.
> 
> --- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> > 
> > Make sure they cannot do a code review by making
> an
> > MDE and then do NOT let
> > them near your source MDB.
> > 
> > 
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     "Frank Tanner III"            
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>    
>  
> >  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"                 
> >                     Sent by:                      
>  
> >  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     accessd-bounces at databasead    
>  
> >  cc:                                              
>  
> >                        
> >                     visors.com                    
>  
> >  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> > Access Question.            
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM           
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     Please respond to "Access     
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     Developers discussion and     
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     problem solving"              
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It works like a charm...... Presupposing they
> don't
> > do
> > some sort of code review.
> > 
> > Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> > three tables.  There's only one here."
> > 
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust
> > > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > > them the result they're
> > > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > > realize I did it right
> > > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> > same
> > > boat many
> > > times....fortunately, the people I work with
> don't
> > > have the first clue
> > > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way
> anyways.
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > To quote my DI when I was in the
> military..."Mine
> > is
> > > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > > heheheh
> > >
> > > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to
> talk
> > > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > > wanna
> > > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> > do.
> > >
> > > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > > boss,
> > > I lose....hehehe
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > <evilgrin>
> 
=== message truncated ===


From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 15:36:46 2003
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:36:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Re: [dba-VB]	Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual
	Basic 6
Message-ID: <04e901c39e64$cfa01940$6601a8c0@joe.indy.rr.com>

Paul,

This is a function that I use in Access 2000 applications.

Joe O'Connell
joconnell at indy.rr.com

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
'   Write a query to the database
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
Function WriteQuery(strSQL As String, strName As String, strMsg As String)
As Boolean
    Dim qdSQL As QueryDef

    WriteQuery = True
    On Error Resume Next
    CurrentDb.QueryDefs.Delete strName
    On Error GoTo WriteQuery_Err
    Set qdSQL = CurrentDb.CreateQueryDef(strName, strSQL)

WriteQuery_Exit:
    Exit Function

WriteQuery_Err:
    strMsg = Err.Description
    WriteQuery = False
    Resume WriteQuery_Exit

End Function



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: dba-vb <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: accessd <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:20 AM
Subject: [dba-VB] Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual Basic
6


|To all,
|I know I have done this before but for the life of me can't remember how,
and can't find the code in any of my old projects.
|I have a VB6 application that generates a SQL string, I need to save the
SQL string as a query in my Access(XP) database
|Can someone please tell me how to do this (even sample code if you can),
before I pull whats left of my hair out.
|Paul Hartland
|Database Designer/Developer (so they say)..........
|_______________________________________________
|dba-VB mailing list
|dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
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From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 15:36:46 2003
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:36:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Re: [dba-VB]	Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual
	Basic 6
Message-ID: <04e901c39e64$cfa01940$6601a8c0@joe.indy.rr.com>

Paul,

This is a function that I use in Access 2000 applications.

Joe O'Connell
joconnell at indy.rr.com

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
'   Write a query to the database
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
Function WriteQuery(strSQL As String, strName As String, strMsg As String)
As Boolean
    Dim qdSQL As QueryDef

    WriteQuery = True
    On Error Resume Next
    CurrentDb.QueryDefs.Delete strName
    On Error GoTo WriteQuery_Err
    Set qdSQL = CurrentDb.CreateQueryDef(strName, strSQL)

WriteQuery_Exit:
    Exit Function

WriteQuery_Err:
    strMsg = Err.Description
    WriteQuery = False
    Resume WriteQuery_Exit

End Function



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: dba-vb <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: accessd <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:20 AM
Subject: [dba-VB] Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual Basic
6


|To all,
|I know I have done this before but for the life of me can't remember how,
and can't find the code in any of my old projects.
|I have a VB6 application that generates a SQL string, I need to save the
SQL string as a query in my Access(XP) database
|Can someone please tell me how to do this (even sample code if you can),
before I pull whats left of my hair out.
|Paul Hartland
|Database Designer/Developer (so they say)..........
|_______________________________________________
|dba-VB mailing list
|dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
|http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
|http://www.databaseadvisors.com
|


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 16:03:53 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:03:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211D3@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
References: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251BEABB@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <3FA0C5E9.28551.1B84DB@localhost>

Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the 
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR) 
~ (Bitwise NOT) 

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
> 
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
> 
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use. 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> James Barash
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
> 
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> 
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> 
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 16:09:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:09:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA0C72E.3956.207A74@localhost>

Sorry about my last post.  I thought I was still scanning the Access-
SQL list messages :-(

Try  a CINT([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] ) to force it to an integer. 

On 29 Oct 2003 at 14:11, John Colby wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
> 
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS NewVal
> FROM MsysForms;
> 
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal is
> always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> 
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me -1.
> I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:16:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:16:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031029200408.26731.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Which would be about 2 seconds longer than I'D want to work there!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


Sure.  I can see it now....

"No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and the
second in command of the company, but you're not
authorized to see it."

I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
fill out the insubordination write-up and termination
papers.

--- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> 
> Make sure they cannot do a code review by making an
> MDE and then do NOT let
> them near your source MDB.
> 
> 
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     "Frank Tanner III"              
>                                                     
>                        
>                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>      
>  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"                 
>                     Sent by:                        
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                     
>                        
>                     accessd-bounces at databasead      
>  cc:                                                
>                        
>                     visors.com                      
>  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> Access Question.            
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM             
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Please respond to "Access       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Developers discussion and       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     problem solving"                
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't
> do
> some sort of code review.
> 
> Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> three tables.  There's only one here."
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust
> > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > them the result they're
> > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > realize I did it right
> > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> same
> > boat many
> > times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> > have the first clue
> > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine
> is
> > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > heheheh
> >
> > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > wanna
> > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> do.
> >
> > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > boss,
> > I lose....hehehe
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> > off
> > > of the top of my head,
> > > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> > have
> > > mobile databases.  Even
> > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> sitting
> > > there, in case one of the
> > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > replication! <grin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman
> > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > much
> > > of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > > over the place and creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> > be
> > > much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much
> as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > build
> > > rather than a database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY possibility of
> > > > duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track
> > of different
> > > > functions based upon the data in tables
> specific
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:18:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:18:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211D3@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEAOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

James,

I kinda came to that conclusion.  This is a shining example of the kinds of
things that require conversions in order to work with ADPs.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Barash
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


John,
As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:

Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
    BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
End Function

Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
Hope this helps.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts


Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
NewVal FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
-1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:29:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:29:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <3FA0C72E.3956.207A74@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yea, I tried that.  It still applied a true/false evaluation to the entire
thing per Gustav's email.

I have "fixed" it by creating 3 functions:

Public Function lngAND(llng1 As Long, llng2 As Long) As Long
    lngAND = llng1 And llng2
End Function
Public Function lngOR(llng1 As Long, llng2 As Long) As Long
    lngOR = llng1 Or llng2
End Function
Public Function lngXOR(llng1 As Long, llng2 As Long) As Long
    lngXOR = llng1 Xor llng2
End Function

Then I build up the SQL statement.  An actual statement looks like:

UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = lngOr([FRM_GroupOpen], 1),
[FRM_GroupVisible] = lngOr([FRM_GroupVisible], 1), [FRM_GroupEdit] =
lngOr([FRM_GroupEdit], 1), [FRM_GroupAddRec] = lngOr([FRM_GroupAddRec], 1),
[FRM_GroupDelRec] = lngOr([FRM_GroupDelRec], 1) WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID)
In (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));

Of course the 1 in the longor() function call is a bit value being ored in.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] brain farts


Sorry about my last post.  I thought I was still scanning the Access-
SQL list messages :-(

Try  a CINT([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] ) to force it to an integer.

On 29 Oct 2003 at 14:11, John Colby wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
>
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
NewVal
> FROM MsysForms;
>
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
is
> always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
>
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving
me -1.
> I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:30:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:30:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <3FA0C5E9.28551.1B84DB@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ohhhhh, that's what I was wanting.  I couldn't find that stuff anywhere in
NOT Help.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
~ (Bitwise NOT)

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
>
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
>
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> Hope this helps.
>
> James Barash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
>
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
>
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
>
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:48:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:48:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <3FA0C5E9.28551.1B84DB@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEBBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
statement.

UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
[FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
[FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
[FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
(28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));

Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
vertical bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
~ (Bitwise NOT)

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
>
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
>
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> Hope this helps.
>
> James Barash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
>
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
>
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
>
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 17:10:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:10:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227440@main2.marlow.com>

It's one of the rare luxuries of working with the computer inepts!  <grin>

The worst drawback though, is they have absolutely no concept of what can
and can't be done.  This hits me in two bad ways.  I either find out that
they have been spending hours, days, weeks, or even months, doing something
that would literally take a fraction of the time if done through code.  An
example of this is our Hours program and Production database.  The hours
program is written in an OLD DOS db language (DataPoint), and our Production
db is Glovia (which uses Oracle as a BE).  Hours was written by an in house
programmer, from the days of yore (who still works 10 hours a week here to
maintain the old legacy systems he wrote...they're mostly accounting stuff,
and I don't think you want me to get into what I think of accounting, or the
situation with them...they are my kryptonite! <grin>), and Glovia isn't a
bad package, but we are using an old version, horrible in a windows
environment, and it's only partially implemented...worse yet, no one truly
knows what they are doing with it.  Everything is done strictly from tribal
knowledge.  Anyhow, one day I found out they were getting a file dumped out
of hours, that they were then turning around and manually dumping it into
Glovia.  It was taking an account close to a full work day to do.
Admittedly, it was only once a month, but 8 hours a month is 416 hours a
year.....starts to add up.  In about 1.5 hours I had a VB program that
pulled up the flat dump file, worked with the data the right way, and dumped
it straight into Glovia (into the Oracle db).  The actual process takes
about 15 seconds.....now, they had been doing it the other way for 4 or 5
years (however long they had Glovia).....yet they didn't want to change it,
because they thought it would be too difficult to do!  

On the other extreme, I get hit with the nearly impossible.  I don't mind
the mentally challenging stuff, I'm talking about the technology blocking
stuff.  Like 'Can we find a faster way to transfer a few gigs of files over
our T1?'.  Um ya, upgrade to a T3! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


I wish I had that kind of autonomy with the MS Access
stuff.

I have that with the entire LAN and WAN
infrastructure.  There are places in the buildings
that not even the company president has the access to
go, of course he could get it.  Same with passwords,
etc of all of the equipment.  They leave all of that
to me and they don't want to know, as long as it
works.

However, these little "side projects" like this one,
they want total control over.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> LOL.  Actually, I have the only password in the
> company that no one else
> knows (though my co-worker may know it.)  It's
> l0phtCrack proof, and I have
> all of my Data drives on this machine set so only my
> account can read them.
> My boss has asked me why a few times, and I just
> stick to one story.  I
> don't want anyone to goof with any of my current
> projects.  Simple story,
> and it works.  He knows he doesn't have anywhere
> near a strong enough grasp
> of what I do to go mucking around in my data files.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> Sure.  I can see it now....
> 
> "No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
> work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and
> the
> second in command of the company, but you're not
> authorized to see it."
> 
> I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
> fill out the insubordination write-up and
> termination
> papers.
> 
> --- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> > 
> > Make sure they cannot do a code review by making
> an
> > MDE and then do NOT let
> > them near your source MDB.
> > 
> > 
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     "Frank Tanner III"            
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>    
>  
> >  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"                 
> >                     Sent by:                      
>  
> >  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     accessd-bounces at databasead    
>  
> >  cc:                                              
>  
> >                        
> >                     visors.com                    
>  
> >  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> > Access Question.            
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM           
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     Please respond to "Access     
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     Developers discussion and     
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     problem solving"              
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It works like a charm...... Presupposing they
> don't
> > do
> > some sort of code review.
> > 
> > Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> > three tables.  There's only one here."
> > 
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust
> > > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > > them the result they're
> > > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > > realize I did it right
> > > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> > same
> > > boat many
> > > times....fortunately, the people I work with
> don't
> > > have the first clue
> > > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way
> anyways.
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > To quote my DI when I was in the
> military..."Mine
> > is
> > > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > > heheheh
> > >
> > > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to
> talk
> > > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > > wanna
> > > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> > do.
> > >
> > > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > > boss,
> > > I lose....hehehe
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > <evilgrin>
> 
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From James at fcidms.com  Wed Oct 29 17:14:52 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:14:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251BEB30@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211D6@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

I tried this but could not get it to work in Access. It works fine in
SQL Server. When I tried using & I got a concatination of the fields,
not a bitwise AND. Is there some special syntax you need to use for
this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the 
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR) 
~ (Bitwise NOT) 

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL 
> statement. You need to create a function to do the comparison. For 
> example:
> 
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As
Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
> 
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could 
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use. Hope this 
> helps.
> 
> James Barash
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with 
> bit mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in 
> specific circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I 
> have a SQL statement that looks like:
> 
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS 
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> 
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the 
> NewVal is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for 
> an XOR.
> 
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving 
> me -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But 
> why?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Wed Oct 29 17:20:40 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:20:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEBBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKCEKIDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

John if you are doing this in MS SQL SErver, theres pretty decent help in
there about the bitwise comparison..

~ (Bitwise NOT)
Performs a bitwise logical NOT operation for one given integer value as
translated to binary expressions within Transact-SQL statements.

Syntax
~ expression

Arguments
expression

Is any valid MicrosoftR SQL ServerT expression of any of the data types of
the integer data type category, or of the binary or varbinary data type.
expression is an integer that is treated and transformed into a binary
number for the bitwise operation.

Result Types
Returns an int if the input values are int, a smallint if the input values
are smallint, a tinyint if the input values are tinyint, or a bit if the
input values are bit.

Remarks
The bitwise ~ operator performs a bitwise logical NOT for the expression,
taking each corresponding bit. The bits in the result are set to 1 if one
bit (for the current bit being resolved) in expression has a value of 0;
otherwise, the bit in the result is cleared to a value of 1.

The ~ bitwise operator can be used only on columns of the integer data type
category.



Important  When performing any kind of bitwise operation, the storage length
of the expression used in the bitwise operation is important. It is
recommended that you use the same number of bytes when storing values. For
example, storing the decimal value of 5 as a tinyint, smallint, or int
produces a value stored with different numbers of bytes. tinyint stores data
using 1 byte, smallint stores data using 2 bytes, and int stores data using
4 bytes. Therefore, performing a bitwise operation on an int decimal value
can produce different results as compared to a direct binary or hexidecimal
translation, especially when the ~ (bitwise NOT) operator is used. The
bitwise NOT operation may occur on a variable of a shorter length that, when
converted to a longer data type variable, may not have the bits in the upper
8 bits set to the expected value. It is recommended that you convert the
smaller data type variable to the larger data type, and then perform the NOT
operation on the result.


Examples
This example creates a table with int data types to show the values, and
puts the table into one row.

USE master
GO
IF EXISTS (SELECT * FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES
      WHERE TABLE_NAME = 'bitwise')
   DROP TABLE bitwise
GO
CREATE TABLE bitwise
(
 a_int_value tinyint NOT NULL,
b_int_value tinyint NOT NULL
)
GO
INSERT bitwise VALUES (170, 75)
GO

This query performs the bitwise NOT on the a_int_value and b_int_value
columns.

USE MASTER
GO
SELECT ~ a_int_value, ~ b_int_value
FROM bitwise

Here is the result set:

--- ---
85  180

(1 row(s) affected)

The binary representation of 170 (a_int_value or A, below) is 0000 0000 1010
1010. Performing the bitwise NOT operation on this value produces the binary
result 0000 0000 0101 0101, which is decimal 85.

 (~A)
         0000 0000 1010 1010
         -------------------
         0000 0000 0101 0101




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
statement.

UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
[FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
[FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
[FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
(28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));

Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
vertical bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
~ (Bitwise NOT)

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
>
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
>
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> Hope this helps.
>
> James Barash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
>
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
>
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
>
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Oct 29 17:17:53 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:47:53 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4AC@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

I'd say its the opposite.

Its something that WILL work in an ADP, not using native Access SQL.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 8:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


James,

I kinda came to that conclusion.  This is a shining example of the kinds of
things that require conversions in order to work with ADPs.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Barash
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


John,
As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:

Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
    BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
End Function

Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
Hope this helps.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts


Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
NewVal FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
-1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 18:34:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:34:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01b401c39e7d$912de2f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Did, but no soap.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> You probably had the textbox positioned slightly above the bullet.  Try
> top aligning them.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> Bob:
>
> That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below
> the text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid'
> approach to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of
> text I made the text line and the bullet the same height and turned the
> bullet on and off depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So
> avoided the whole problem instead of solving it.
>
> But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that
> made the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Bob
> >
> > ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you
> > show the bullet or not?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > William
> > >
> > > ***************************************************
> > > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>
> > > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then txtBullet = Null
> > > txtBullet.Visible = False
> > > Else
> > > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> > > txtBullet.Visible = True
> > > End If
> > > End Sub
> > > ***************************************************
> > >
> > > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
> > > CanShrink=Yes.
> > >
> > > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
> > >
> > > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
> > >
> > >  [_] [_____________________________]
> > >
> > > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bob Gajewski
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > > Hindman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline
> > > with
> > your
> > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH
>
> > > :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > > indent -
> > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted
> > > > with
> > the
> > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet
>
> > > > to
> > the
> > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a
> > > > bulleted
> > list
> > > in
> > > > a Word doc.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > > concatenate
> > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > > lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
> which
> > > are
> > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> > boilerplate
> > > > > header text.
> > > > >
> > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.
>
> > > > > So
> > far,
> > > > so
> > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
> Italic
> > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
> tried
> > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
> with
> > > the
> > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I
> > > > > make
> > the
> > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except
> > > > > that
> > > because
> > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > > >
> > > > > It comes out like this:
> > > > >
> > > > >              Text One.
> > > > > (bullet)
> > > > >              Text Two.
> > > > > (bullet)
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
> bulleted
> > > list
> > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 18:44:17 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:44:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C794@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <01ed01c39e7e$f2eeccb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
> changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
> run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
> the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
> code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> something else?
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 19:24:21 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:24:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEBBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3FA0C5E9.28551.1B84DB@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA0F4E5.14074.4BA1231@localhost>

On 29 Oct 2003 at 17:48, John Colby wrote:

> I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> statement.
> 
> UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> 
> Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> vertical bar.
> 

I posted a second one, a couple of seconds later which for some reason 
didn't make it to the list.

In that I said "Sorry, I thought I was still scanning the dba-SQL list".

In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int 
before doing the "OR" comparison.




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Oct 29 18:09:44 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:09:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227437@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <01a101c39e7a$1fbf1100$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


Frank,

A reasonable compromise:

* Do your interface based on the sensible, normalized single table approach.
This is your source data.

* Maintain 3 separate summary tables to satisfy the marketing idiots. You
could either update them each night in bulk, or update them record by record
throughout the day, depending on their needs.

This way, they have their data the way they like. You don't care if they
trash it, because you can always rebuild it.

Your development time would be about the same, because the time saved
implementing the interface the correct way will be offset somewhat by the
burden of maintaining the extra tables. This will still be easier and more
reliable than their bone-headed approach. As long as their summary data is
read-only, this should work.

Since a typical database has lots of lookup and other ancillary tables, you
can easily hide the 'real' data table in plain sight. Even if the VP did by
chance pick that table out, you could say it was a 'work' or 'staging'
table, or some such rot. Even if they do a code review, it is still a
defensible strategy: it saved development time, maintains a backup, etc...

Of course, my evil side would suggest:

Maintain three QUERIES off of the single table, but name them:

  TABLEQuestionsFilledOut
  TABLEQuestionsDeclined
  TABLEQuestionsAskLater

When they don't see them in the Tables tab, simply say you moved them.
They'll likely swallow it; after all, their names do start with "TABLE"
<evil laugh>

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


You don't have real novices then...grin.  The people I work with/for aren't
intelligent enough to even figure out they need to click the 'Tables' tab to
see the tables.....well, my co-worker is, but he and I work together, not
against each other.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't do
some sort of code review.

Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
three tables.  There's only one here."

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Works like a charm, don't you think?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same
> boat many
> times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> have the first clue
> of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> <evilgrin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> heheheh
>
> Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> wanna
> do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do.
>
> Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> boss,
> I lose....hehehe
>
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off
> > of the top of my head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have
> > mobile databases.  Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY possibility of
> > > duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of different
> > > functions based upon the data in tables specific
> to certain
> > > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a
> questionnaire go into one
> > > table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 19:43:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:43:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <3FA0F4E5.14074.4BA1231@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBHFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
before doing the "OR" comparison.

Tried that, no joy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:24 PM
To: John Colby; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


On 29 Oct 2003 at 17:48, John Colby wrote:

> I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> statement.
>
> UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
>
> Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> vertical bar.
>

I posted a second one, a couple of seconds later which for some reason
didn't make it to the list.

In that I said "Sorry, I thought I was still scanning the dba-SQL list".

In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
before doing the "OR" comparison.




--
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Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 29 20:43:25 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:43:25 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files
Message-ID: <013f01c39e8f$97a28bb0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi Guys
WAY OT POST
I need help with getting an autorun file to work with HTML
The Normal AutoRun dot inf file looks something like
OPEN= MyExecutable.exe /with any command line parameters
ICON = MyIcon.ico
Cool so far...
How do I get a web page on a CD to load though instead of the Exectutable
EG
OPEN= \MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
ICON = MyIcon.ico

If I click Start|Run and type iexplore.exe X:\MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
All is cool.

Do I have to  do some sort of shell command or what?

Many thanks in advance

Darren

In the interest of netiquette, if anyone wants to replond please do so off list at d.dick at uws.edu.au
Many thanks

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 29 20:39:10 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:39:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
In-Reply-To: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FE@nt04.karta.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEDHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Jim:

Yes a VPN link can be used but; and this is where theory and practical
application collide. The following comments may cause the usual ripples but
in the connection method you can not used 'bound' forms, the connection is
simply too slow, unstable and prone to database corruption.

'Unbound' forms can be used, with proven results but the initial setup and
design more complex.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with Access?
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Jim,

Thanks for your input. Are you saying that some clients get to the Access BE
via ASP on a web page and your other (LAN) clients get at in the usual way
with a FE/BE situation? My question was directed specifically at Internet
access. That is, if I've got the BE mounted on a web server then,
apparently, the only way to get to the data is through an ADO connection via
ASP pages.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Oct 29 20:48:11 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:18:11 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4AE@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Darren,

Search google for a file called 'shellexe.exe'. You can use this to autorun
your CD.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 1:13 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files


Hi Guys
WAY OT POST
I need help with getting an autorun file to work with HTML
The Normal AutoRun dot inf file looks something like
OPEN= MyExecutable.exe /with any command line parameters
ICON = MyIcon.ico
Cool so far...
How do I get a web page on a CD to load though instead of the Exectutable
EG
OPEN= \MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
ICON = MyIcon.ico

If I click Start|Run and type iexplore.exe X:\MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
All is cool.

Do I have to  do some sort of shell command or what?

Many thanks in advance

Darren

In the interest of netiquette, if anyone wants to replond please do so off
list at d.dick at uws.edu.au
Many thanks
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 29 21:02:54 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:02:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files
In-Reply-To: <013f01c39e8f$97a28bb0$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3FA0390E.18313.7F875F@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 13:43, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Guys
> WAY OT POST
> I need help with getting an autorun file to work with HTML
> The Normal AutoRun dot inf file looks something like
> OPEN= MyExecutable.exe /with any command line parameters
> ICON = MyIcon.ico
> Cool so far...
> How do I get a web page on a CD to load though instead of the
> Exectutable EG OPEN= \MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm ICON = MyIcon.ico
> 
> If I click Start|Run and type iexplore.exe
> X:\MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm All is cool.
> 
> Do I have to  do some sort of shell command or what?

it looks like you might.

Have a look at:

http://www.usq.edu.au/users/leis/notes/presentations/cdautoload.html

--
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Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make 
them all yourself.



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 29 22:24:58 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:24:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files - Solved
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4AE@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <017101c39e9d$c784f760$3c619a89@DDICK>

Thanks Andrew

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files


> Darren,
> 
> Search google for a file called 'shellexe.exe'. You can use this to autorun
> your CD.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 1:13 PM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files
> 
> 
> Hi Guys
> WAY OT POST
> I need help with getting an autorun file to work with HTML
> The Normal AutoRun dot inf file looks something like
> OPEN= MyExecutable.exe /with any command line parameters
> ICON = MyIcon.ico
> Cool so far...
> How do I get a web page on a CD to load though instead of the Exectutable
> EG
> OPEN= \MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
> ICON = MyIcon.ico
> 
> If I click Start|Run and type iexplore.exe X:\MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
> All is cool.
> 
> Do I have to  do some sort of shell command or what?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
> In the interest of netiquette, if anyone wants to replond please do so off
> list at d.dick at uws.edu.au
> Many thanks
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 29 22:55:46 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:55:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBHFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001001c39ea2$18004fb0$6401a8c0@default>

John,

This should bring back some memories.



            Message 4 in thread
      From: jwelz at hotmail.com (jwelz at hotmail.com)
      Subject: Re: bitwise operators
      Newsgroups: comp.databases.ms-access
            View this article only
      Date: 2000/02/08


It is possible to perform a bitwise query in Jet 3.5 without using a
function.  Rather than doing the operation in the 'Where' clause, do it
in the Join.  I keep a 'join table' in my front end.  I generally limit
this to single byte bit masks to keep the size of the join table down.
The join table is laid out with 8 fields headed 'b1, b2, b4, b8, b16,
b32, b64, b128'.  In each field are all the values for which the And
operation returns true, there are 128 values for each field, and the
concept of row is irrelevant.  I sort and index the data.  Field b1 has
the values '1, 3, 5, 7, 9...', Field b2 has the values '2, 3, 6, 7, 10,
11...', Field b4 has the values '4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20...'
....and field b128 has the values '128, 129, 130, 131....'  The
operation is analagous to a 'Where' clause comparing a field value with
an IN(1, 2, 5...) list, without the syntactic nonsense of generating a
complex list on the fly, though that is a 'Where' approach that can be
made to work.

To query on a bit, the sql reads:

"Select [fields] From [tblData] Inner Join [JoinTable] on
[tblData].[AndedField] = [JoinTable].b" & 2 ^ (bytBitNumber - 1)

Where you pass the bit position (1 through 8) to the variable
bytBitNumber (or just the number value of the bit(s or'ed)).

By joining a field on more than one column in the join table, and in
conjunction with the not operator, you can query on several bit
positions and values concurrently.

I find this method significantly faster than calling a function for a
calculated field since the query engine does the work very efficiently
(rather than calling a function n thousand times for n thousand records
queried).  This approach works with any version of sql that supports an
inner join.  Used for bitwise queries on bytes, the join table stores a
mere 1k of data (datatype byte for all 8 fields, 128 rows, same amount
again for indexing I assume).  If you need to And a bit higher than the
128 (8th bit), I find it more efficient to store two bytes to keep the
join table small and fast.  Alternatively, you could parse the field
into hi/low bytes or more as required for larger data types.

Although a violation of normalization rules, the ability to store 8
boolean values in a single field gives measurable performance gains and
I use it in any table where there is more than a single two state
field.  Well commented and documented usage should cause no problems.
A byte can also store three state (or more) fields should that be
expedient though I'd consider the latter two cases only in an extremely
static design that needed a bit of tweaking since design enhancement
maintenance requires customized extraction of values to forms and
reports.  Design requirement changes could require extensive changes to
code and subsequent developers not familiar with the methodology would[...
didn't bother to get the rest.]Michael R. Mattys
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


> >In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
> before doing the "OR" comparison.
>
> Tried that, no joy.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: John Colby; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> On 29 Oct 2003 at 17:48, John Colby wrote:
>
> > I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> > statement.
> >
> > UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> > [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> > (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> >
> > Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> > vertical bar.
> >
>
> I posted a second one, a couple of seconds later which for some reason
> didn't make it to the list.
>
> In that I said "Sorry, I thought I was still scanning the dba-SQL list".
>
> In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
> before doing the "OR" comparison.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 29 23:01:53 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:01:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBHFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001401c39ea2$f0d09d40$6401a8c0@default>

By the way, 

bAnd, bOr, bXOR, etc are all reserved words
in Jet 4 and, although I haven't used them, the word
is that you can use them in queries for joins as long 
as you are willing to give up the QBE Grid.

Michael R. Mattys
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www.mattysconsulting.com

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 23:04:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:04:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <001001c39ea2$18004fb0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEBOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

lol.  indeed it does.  Still makes my head ache.  I guess I need to make it
a serious read this time since I really need this stuff now.

Thanks!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] brain farts


John,

This should bring back some memories.



            Message 4 in thread
      From: jwelz at hotmail.com (jwelz at hotmail.com)
      Subject: Re: bitwise operators
      Newsgroups: comp.databases.ms-access
            View this article only
      Date: 2000/02/08


It is possible to perform a bitwise query in Jet 3.5 without using a
function.  Rather than doing the operation in the 'Where' clause, do it
in the Join.  I keep a 'join table' in my front end.  I generally limit
this to single byte bit masks to keep the size of the join table down.
The join table is laid out with 8 fields headed 'b1, b2, b4, b8, b16,
b32, b64, b128'.  In each field are all the values for which the And
operation returns true, there are 128 values for each field, and the
concept of row is irrelevant.  I sort and index the data.  Field b1 has
the values '1, 3, 5, 7, 9...', Field b2 has the values '2, 3, 6, 7, 10,
11...', Field b4 has the values '4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20...'
....and field b128 has the values '128, 129, 130, 131....'  The
operation is analagous to a 'Where' clause comparing a field value with
an IN(1, 2, 5...) list, without the syntactic nonsense of generating a
complex list on the fly, though that is a 'Where' approach that can be
made to work.

To query on a bit, the sql reads:

"Select [fields] From [tblData] Inner Join [JoinTable] on
[tblData].[AndedField] = [JoinTable].b" & 2 ^ (bytBitNumber - 1)

Where you pass the bit position (1 through 8) to the variable
bytBitNumber (or just the number value of the bit(s or'ed)).

By joining a field on more than one column in the join table, and in
conjunction with the not operator, you can query on several bit
positions and values concurrently.

I find this method significantly faster than calling a function for a
calculated field since the query engine does the work very efficiently
(rather than calling a function n thousand times for n thousand records
queried).  This approach works with any version of sql that supports an
inner join.  Used for bitwise queries on bytes, the join table stores a
mere 1k of data (datatype byte for all 8 fields, 128 rows, same amount
again for indexing I assume).  If you need to And a bit higher than the
128 (8th bit), I find it more efficient to store two bytes to keep the
join table small and fast.  Alternatively, you could parse the field
into hi/low bytes or more as required for larger data types.

Although a violation of normalization rules, the ability to store 8
boolean values in a single field gives measurable performance gains and
I use it in any table where there is more than a single two state
field.  Well commented and documented usage should cause no problems.
A byte can also store three state (or more) fields should that be
expedient though I'd consider the latter two cases only in an extremely
static design that needed a bit of tweaking since design enhancement
maintenance requires customized extraction of values to forms and
reports.  Design requirement changes could require extensive changes to
code and subsequent developers not familiar with the methodology would[...
didn't bother to get the rest.]Michael R. Mattys
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


> >In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
> before doing the "OR" comparison.
>
> Tried that, no joy.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: John Colby; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> On 29 Oct 2003 at 17:48, John Colby wrote:
>
> > I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> > statement.
> >
> > UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> > [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> > (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> >
> > Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> > vertical bar.
> >
>
> I posted a second one, a couple of seconds later which for some reason
> didn't make it to the list.
>
> In that I said "Sorry, I thought I was still scanning the dba-SQL list".
>
> In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
> before doing the "OR" comparison.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 23:15:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:15:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <001401c39ea2$f0d09d40$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEBOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hey, have you looked at the LWS stuff?  It's starting to get exciting.  I
have a video database up as a demo, with the LWS forms residing out in the
LWS MDA and getting their data out of the video database using a syntax
like:

    strSQL = "SELECT [usystblLWSGroup].[LWSG_ID],
[usystblLWSGroup].[LWSG_Name] FROM usystblLWSGroup in '" &
CurrentProject.Path & "\" & CurrentProject.Name & "' ORDER BY
[usystblLWSGroup].[LWSG_Name]; "
    Me.RecordSource = strSQL

Notice the

FROM usystblLWSGroup in '" & CurrentProject.Path & "\" & CurrentProject.Name
& "'

Cool stuff, allowing me to keep the forms themselves in the MDA and yet load
the data from the FE.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Mattys
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] brain farts


By the way,

bAnd, bOr, bXOR, etc are all reserved words
in Jet 4 and, although I haven't used them, the word
is that you can use them in queries for joins as long
as you are willing to give up the QBE Grid.

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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Oct 30 00:36:38 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:36:38 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:
	[dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <7738718954.20031029193559@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXkF38A@pacific.net.hk>

I have gone part of the way with this.

During startup, I have been doing the following:
-initialise a function containing static db array that maintains a connection to
linked DBs
-go through the linked tables and add each linked db to static db collection
once
-check the links to one table on each found linked db
-relink if necessary
-terminate and clean up the static db array
-continue with project init/startup

I like Gustavs sql listing of linked DBs.  I'd never thought about doing it that
way, and I think I will modify how I do it.

I am thinking though that a further test is still probably required to keep it
as user friendly as required.  Assuming the file exists, but is corrupt, it
would be nice if the db could have the option to automatically attempt repair
the BE and then fail gracefully if failure occurs.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October, 2003 2:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: 
> [dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> 
> 
> Hi John
> 
> Yes, that has worked for me since 1994 and Access 2.0.
> 
> The only situation where I have done an automatic relinking is for an
> app which has an external systems lookup database (which I can update
> separately). This is assumed to reside in the same path as the app.
> Thus, if the app can't see it, it is probably because both the app and
> the system database have been relocated; now the app looks for it in
> its own directory and if found, it relinks the tables (takes about a
> second) and if not, it pops up an error box.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Hi Gustav,
> > I think like this idea.
> 
> > Is this the gist of it (in laymen's terms)?
> > -I look for the BE file at the last known location
> > -if its found all should be good
> > -only if there is some reason to relink -call a relinking procedure
> 
> > Also in my relinking function I started out with someone 
> else's code to do
> > this. It originally did try to "hunt down" the BE if it 
> wasn't found in the
> > last known location. As I was modifying the code to suit my 
> needs I removed
> > the hunting code for the same reasons you stated. That was 
> way too much
> > assuming for me!
> 
> > JB
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:26 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
> >> KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Rocky
> >>
> >> > I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to 
> check all the table
> >> > links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
> >> would suffice.
> >>
> >> > Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is
> >> present in
> >> > the location it's expected to be.
> >>
> >> In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the 
> relinking which,
> >> by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access 
> refreshes
> >> the links when you open your app. Only when your backend 
> database(s)
> >> has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or 
> broken, I've
> >> found that relinking is needed.
> >>
> >> It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the 
> backend file
> >> and act according to any errors found.
> >>
> >> First, list the backend files:
> >>
> >> <SQL>
> >>
> >>   SELECT DISTINCT
> >>     Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
> >>   FROM
> >>     MSysObjects
> >>   WHERE
> >>     Type = 6;
> >>
> >> </SQL>
> >>
> >> Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
> >> either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has 
> been moved
> >> and relinking is needed.
> >>
> >> If the file is found you may try to open it. If this 
> fails, relinking
> >> won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
> >> corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have 
> to be carried
> >> out.
> >>
> >> For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only 
> is relevant
> >> if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with 
> the backend
> >> database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
> >> collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
> >> Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.
> >>
> >> As you can see, the only situation where relinking is 
> needed is if the
> >> backend has been moved since the last time the app was 
> used which for
> >> a well managed network only will happen at the initial 
> load of the app
> >> at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.
> >>
> >> The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the 
> backend is
> >> not found - tries to haunt down the current drive 
> structure to locate
> >> an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be 
> triggered if
> >> the workstation for some reason cannot login to the 
> network. Users in
> >> general have no clue where the backend is located; they 
> are happy if
> >> the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local 
> backup, the
> >> user may be working with outdated data without knowing it 
> which indeed
> >> for accounting people can be a disaster.
> >>
> >> This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
> >> used when linking to a server engine.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> 
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Oct 30 02:38:54 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:38:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE79@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Thanks Gary and Jeff!

I can see and open the two system tables MSysIMEXColumns and MSysIMEXSpecs.
And as Gary says the former has the field headers and the later has the
field details. What I was trying to find (and edit) was the name of the
table that the spec saves the imported data as. 

A very minor problem really, but just something I was trying to sort out.

Thanks for any help/guidance/assistance.

Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
> 
> 
> They are in a couple hidden/system tables. Go into Options and select 
> Display on Hidden and System tables and you will see them - 
> in a database 
> that HAS at least one. There is one table for the Spec 
> Headers and another 
> for the field detail. I think you can read them but not write 
> to them. You 
> can use them in queries.
> 
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
> 
> >From: "Foote, Chris" <Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
> >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:20:25 -0000
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >any idea where/how A97 stores it's Import Wizard Import/Export specs?
> >
> >TIA - Chris Foote

From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Oct 30 02:47:41 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:47:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs - apologies
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE7A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Dear all!

I've just reread this message of mine and must apologies for the appalling
grammar in - "What I was trying to find (and edit) was the name of the table
that the spec saves the imported data as."

You'd never guess that (English)english was my first (and indeed only)
language would you? <embarrassed grin>

Chris Foote

From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Oct 30 04:01:20 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:01:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working - solved
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE7E@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Thanks again Stuart that was my problem.

Once I dimmed to recordsets, recIn and recOut it now seem to work fine!

Thanks!
Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> 
> 
> Your problem is that you are using one recordset to access 2 
> tables.  Within
> your do loop you are using this
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
> But the loop is controlled by rec and you are reinitialising 
> it on each pass.
> So it will never end.
> 
> If you want to go the code method, use 2 recordsets.  Say 
> rectblScript and
> rectblOutstandingECRs.
> 
> Then iterate through rectblOutstandingECRs and for each 
> record add a new record
> to rectblScript.
> 
> If you need help modifying the code drop me a note.
> 
> Another potentially simpler method to to write a query that 
> does all of one you
> want in one hit.  (ie append query)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stuart
> 

From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 06:09:48 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:09:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031030060948.1670761927.serbach@new.rr.com>

Frank,

>> VPN is nothing like Terminal Server.

>> VPN (Virtual Private Networking) creates a "tunnel" to
act as a LAN connection to a private network via the
Internet. ?This "virtual private network" tunnel
allows you to act as if you were physically hard-wired
to the LAN. <<

Frank,

I appreciate the clarification. You're right there is an essential difference between VPN and Terminal Server: a VPN connection means that your PC is still doing all the Access processing that it normally would on a LAN while with terminal server (and PC Anywhere) you're actually logged into a workstation at the host site and the host sends its screens to your PC. Your remote PC only controls the keyboard and mouse of the host system which is the one doing the work of processing queries and such.

As far as my own interest is concerned, since there won't be any Terminal Server or VPN set up on my client's network, any web-based access to an Access BE will have to be through the use of ASP.

>> You're thinking of VNC. ?Which is an Open
Source/Freeware remote desktop tool similar to
PCanywhere/Terminal Server/Citrix Metaframe. <<

You're very kind to assume that I just got an acronym mixed up. That isn't the case. I'd never heard of VNC before your message.

Thanks,

Steve


From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 06:14:01 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:14:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031030061401.1968970086.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

>> in the connection method you can not used 'bound' forms, the connection is simply too slow, unstable and prone to database corruption.

>> 'Unbound' forms can be used, with proven results but the initial setup and design more complex. <<

This is valuable information. However, I don't think it will cause any "ripples" since we're talking about an entirely different BE methodology from that used on a LAN.

My client was under the impression that an Access BE could just be plopped onto a web server and the Access FE could simply be relinked to the GoreNet instead of a local server. I'm going to have to disabuse him of that notion.

Regards,

Steve Erbach


From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 06:13:50 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:13:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Message-ID: <20031030121350.49100.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>

Good Morning Everyone,
 
I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question.  I tried to put a subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not allowed.  So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the subform did.  The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.  The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the listbox.  As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update but on all records not just the current one.  Does any one know if I can get each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this, maybe a different control?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Thu Oct 30 06:33:22 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:33:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <20031030121350.49100.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c39ee2$05d2bb80$25330cd8@hargrove.internal>

How about a datasheet for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,
 
I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question.  I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed.  So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did.  The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox.  As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one.  Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 06:33:50 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:33:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7A5@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I tried all your suggestions & it still will not let me add records if the
switchboard is opened first. The MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions showed False. This
is correct, because the AddNew button changes it to True.

What I am confused on - it will allow additions if I open the form directly.
If the switchboard opens first, I can not add records. It seems like the
switchboard is interfering with the opening of the form?

I use this same code in other forms, and they work, I can't figure out what
is different on this form?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
> changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
> run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
> the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
> code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> something else?
>
> Virginia
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 06:42:14 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:42:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7A8@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

OK! I found out it is not the switchboard, it is the DetectIdleTime form
that opens hidden when the switchboard opens. I commented out the opening of
the form & I can add records.

What can I do now? I still want to be able to use the idle form. Why would
it interfere with adding records?

'DoCmd.OpenForm "frmDetectIdleTime"
'   Forms![frmDetectIdleTime].Visible = False

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I tried all your suggestions & it still will not let me add records if the
switchboard is opened first. The MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions showed False. This
is correct, because the AddNew button changes it to True.

What I am confused on - it will allow additions if I open the form directly.
If the switchboard opens first, I can not add records. It seems like the
switchboard is interfering with the opening of the form?

I use this same code in other forms, and they work, I can't figure out what
is different on this form?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?

Rocky

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
> changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
> run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
> the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
> code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> something else?
>
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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Oct 30 13:47:05 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:47:05 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] multiplications in one query
Message-ID: <200310301247.h9UCl5EU017945@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Group,

i have a query with two fields: code and telling.
I would like to do some calculations with these fields. 
The calculations could be done in a query for each code, 
but i want to do all calculations in one query?


TIA

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


i have.

code            telling
a                 1000
b                  500
c                  100


i want to multiply
a (1200)*0,3
b (500)*2
c (100)*7


as result i would like

code           Result_Telling
a                  300
b                 1000
c                  700

From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 07:06:52 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:06:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <000d01c39ee2$05d2bb80$25330cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <20031030130652.39855.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks!
 
That's not bad --- not quite the look I was going for but may be do able.
 

Thanks! - any other good ideas?
Mike and Doris Manning <mikedorism at ntelos.net> wrote:
How about a datasheet for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 07:08:32 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:08:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <000d01c39ee2$05d2bb80$25330cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <20031030130832.80381.qmail@web9805.mail.yahoo.com>

I also have several buttons on the screen which I loose with a datasheet view.

Mike and Doris Manning <mikedorism at ntelos.net> wrote:How about a datasheet for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Oct 30 07:21:25 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:21:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] multiplications in one query
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067BA97@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF91@ADGSERVER>

OTOMH,

SELECT
Code,Result_Telling:iif([Code]='A',[Telling]*0.3,iif([Code]='B',[Telling]*2,
[Telling]*7))
    FROM sometable;


Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:47 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] multiplications in one query


Hello Group,

i have a query with two fields: code and telling.
I would like to do some calculations with these fields. 
The calculations could be done in a query for each code, 
but i want to do all calculations in one query?


TIA

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


i have.

code            telling
a                 1000
b                  500
c                  100


i want to multiply
a (1200)*0,3
b (500)*2
c (100)*7


as result i would like

code           Result_Telling
a                  300
b                 1000
c                  700
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 07:14:04 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:14:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Message-ID: <20031030141400.4EE843A8825@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Dale
I'm still on A97 (I know, ancient history) but in that you can ignore the
message about Continuous forms not being allowed in a subform. Access gives
you the message, sets your form to Single Form, but all you have to do is go
into the form's properties and change it back to Continuous and voila. I do
it all the time. God knows why the message even exists. Hope AXP the same.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Date: 30/10/03 21:09


I also have several buttons on the screen which I loose with a datasheet
view.

Mike and Doris Manning <mikedorism at ntelos.net> wrote:How about a datasheet
for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 30 08:19:21 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:19:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD786D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Of course you realize that needing bitwise operators for a field is just
screaming *it's not normalized* <g>.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> statement.
> 
> UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> 
> Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> vertical bar.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> 
> Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
> logical operators:
> 
> & (Bitwise AND),
> | (Bitwise OR) ,
> ^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
> ~ (Bitwise NOT)
> 
> On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:
> 
> > John,
> > As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> > You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
> >
> > Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
> >     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> > End Function
> >
> > Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> > create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > James Barash
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> > mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> > circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> > statement that looks like:
> >
> > SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> > NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> >
> > regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> > is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> >
> > If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> > -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 08:37:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:37:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD786D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMECPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, I realize.

This is for my Lightweight Security System, and each long int represents a
bit map of which groups can manipulate a specific property - AllowEdit,
AllowDelete etc.  I intentionally chose to use a bit map over a normalized
table because I am applying the same system to controls and their
properties.  You could potentially end up having to load tens of thousands
of records to get the LWS initialized for a single form.  As the system
exists now, there is a single record for the form itself, and a single
record for each control.

Normalization is a key concept to a database but it isn't the end-all and
be-all to life in general.  There are times where simple bit manipulations
are waaaaaaay faster (for a variety of reasons) and that speed is needed.
As the designer I had to make that decision.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Of course you realize that needing bitwise operators for a field is just
screaming *it's not normalized* <g>.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] brain farts
>
> I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> statement.
>
> UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
>
> Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> vertical bar.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
> logical operators:
>
> & (Bitwise AND),
> | (Bitwise OR) ,
> ^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
> ~ (Bitwise NOT)
>
> On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:
>
> > John,
> > As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> > You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
> >
> > Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
> >     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> > End Function
> >
> > Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> > create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > James Barash
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> > mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> > circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> > statement that looks like:
> >
> > SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> > NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> >
> > regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> > is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> >
> > If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> > -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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>
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 08:47:23 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:47:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <20031030141400.4EE843A8825@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031030144723.34343.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com>

that my be true in A97 but xp gives the message each time you try to change it back to Continous Forms.
 
Thanks any!

Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
Dale
I'm still on A97 (I know, ancient history) but in that you can ignore the
message about Continuous forms not being allowed in a subform. Access gives
you the message, sets your form to Single Form, but all you have to do is go
into the form's properties and change it back to Continuous and voila. I do
it all the time. God knows why the message even exists. Hope AXP the same.
--
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

Subject: RE: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Date: 30/10/03 21:09


I also have several buttons on the screen which I loose with a datasheet
view.

Mike and Doris Manning wrote:How about a datasheet
for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 09:03:24 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:03:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] db As Database - A2K
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B3@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

When I converted a database from 97 to 2K I receive an error on:
"Public db As Database ' need not declare db in individual modules/forms"

I realize I need to add the reference to MS DAO 3.6. What can I do to change
this line of code so I don't have to add the reference?


Also, I tried to comment out the line, but receive an error on my startup
properties:
ChangeProperty "StartupForm", dbText, "Switchboard"

I don't remember the dbText being there before - is that correct?

Virginia

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 09:18:05 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:18:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B4@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled. I
don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?

Rocky

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From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
> changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
> run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
> the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
> code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> something else?
>
> Virginia
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 08:31:52 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:31:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Message-ID: <20031030153148.5B05C25E2F8@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Remind me to stick with A97!
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Date: 30/10/03 22:48


that my be true in A97 but xp gives the message each time you try to change
it back to Continous Forms.

Thanks any!

Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
Dale
I'm still on A97 (I know, ancient history) but in that you can ignore the
message about Continuous forms not being allowed in a subform. Access gives
you the message, sets your form to Single Form, but all you have to do is go
into the form's properties and change it back to Continuous and voila. I do
it all the time. God knows why the message even exists. Hope AXP the same.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

Subject: RE: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Date: 30/10/03 21:09


I also have several buttons on the screen which I loose with a datasheet
view.

Mike and Doris Manning wrote:How about a datasheet
for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 30 10:00:38 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:00:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
Message-ID: <1903295.1067529638340.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet connection.  I want to enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs.
Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats involved, what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go for the wireless option (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.  Also hopefully at some point next year I will be starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be looking at servers etc hopefully.
Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated.
Paul Hartland

From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Oct 30 10:06:09 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:06:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1701E0502A@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Paul,
Check the recent posts to dba-tech

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


To all,
I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is
upstairs parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet connection.
I want to enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs.
Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats
involved, what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go for the
wireless option (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
Also hopefully at some point next year I will be starting up on my own
(part-time), so I will be looking at servers etc hopefully.
Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated.
Paul Hartland
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 30 10:09:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:09:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] db As Database - A2K
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You MUST have the DAO reference if you want to declare db as a Database
object.  There is no database object in ADO and the built-in support for
some DAO operations in AXP doesn't exist in A2k.  You can declare db as
an Object instead of a database.  Here's some code from the code
librarian that will do it.  I'm posting it because I could NOT find it
in on-line help(less).

Function AddCustomProperty(strName As String, _
                           varType As Variant, _
                           varValue As Variant) As Boolean
    ' The following generic object variables are required
    ' when there is no reference to the DAO 3.6 object library.
    Dim objDatabase As Object
    Dim objProperty As Object

    Const PROP_NOT_FOUND_ERROR = 3270

    Set objDatabase = CurrentDb
    On Error GoTo AddProp_Err
    objDatabase.Properties(strName) = varValue

    AddCustomProperty = True

AddProp_End:
    Exit Function

AddProp_Err:
    If Err = PROP_NOT_FOUND_ERROR Then
        Set objProperty = objDatabase.CreateProperty(strName, varType,
varValue)
        objDatabase.Properties.Append objProperty
        Resume
    Else
        AddCustomProperty = False
        Resume AddProp_End
    End If
End Function

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] db As Database - A2K


When I converted a database from 97 to 2K I receive an error on: "Public
db As Database ' need not declare db in individual modules/forms"

I realize I need to add the reference to MS DAO 3.6. What can I do to
change this line of code so I don't have to add the reference?


Also, I tried to comment out the line, but receive an error on my
startup
properties:
ChangeProperty "StartupForm", dbText, "Switchboard"

I don't remember the dbText being there before - is that correct?

Virginia
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 30 10:10:26 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:10:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD786F@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I guessed it might be something like that going on. Just couldn't resist the
making the comment about normalization in case some other lister got it into
his/her head that bit twiddling might be a good idea in general for
databases. <g>

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:38 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> Yep, I realize.
> 
> This is for my Lightweight Security System, and each long int represents a
> bit map of which groups can manipulate a specific property - AllowEdit,
> AllowDelete etc.  I intentionally chose to use a bit map over a normalized
> table because I am applying the same system to controls and their
> properties.  You could potentially end up having to load tens of thousands
> of records to get the LWS initialized for a single form.  As the system
> exists now, there is a single record for the form itself, and a single
> record for each control.
> 
> Normalization is a key concept to a database but it isn't the end-all and
> be-all to life in general.  There are times where simple bit manipulations
> are waaaaaaay faster (for a variety of reasons) and that speed is needed.
> As the designer I had to make that decision.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
> Lambert
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> 
> Of course you realize that needing bitwise operators for a field is just
> screaming *it's not normalized* <g>.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> > To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> >
> > I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> > statement.
> >
> > UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> > [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> > (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> >
> > Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> > vertical bar.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> >
> >
> > Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
> > logical operators:
> >
> > & (Bitwise AND),
> > | (Bitwise OR) ,
> > ^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
> > ~ (Bitwise NOT)
> >
> > On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > > As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL
> statement.
> > > You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
> > >
> > > Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As
> Long
> > >     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> > > End Function
> > >
> > > Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> > > create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > James Barash
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> > > To: AccessD
> > > Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> > >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with
> bit
> > > mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in
> specific
> > > circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a
> SQL
> > > statement that looks like:
> > >
> > > SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> > > NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> > >
> > > regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the
> NewVal
> > > is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> > >
> > > If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving
> me
> > > -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 30 10:14:49 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:14:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
Message-ID: <25155085.1067530489273.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

ok thanks......




Message date : Oct 30 2003, 04:11 PM 
>From : Tesiny, Ed 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
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Subject : RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE) 
Paul, 
Check the recent posts to dba-tech 

Ed Tesiny 
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 


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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM 
To: accessd 
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE) 


To all, 
I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is 
upstairs parents are downstairs. I have broadband internet connection. 
I want to enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs. 
Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats 
involved, what I will have to learn etc. I would like to go for the 
wireless option (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this. 
Also hopefully at some point next year I will be starting up on my own 
(part-time), so I will be looking at servers etc hopefully. 
Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated. 
Paul Hartland 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 10:22:52 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:22:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B4@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <013b01c39f02$118585a0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

If it works on your machine and fails on theirs it would seem that there is
some difference in the two installations.  Can you check the version of
access, and the version of Jet and/or other DLLs that might be involved.
Service packs the same?  Just casting about at random now.

What would happen if you created a new db on their machine and imported all
the objects and compiled on their machine?  (Really long shot).

Rocky

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From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> I am still having problems.
>
> Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
> switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.
>
> When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I do??
>
> I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled. I
> don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
> machines and not others?
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
> of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
> And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
> could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> > Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False,
I
> > changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If
I
> > run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
> add
> > records. This is crazy.
> >
> > Va.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hollis,Virginia
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
> >
> >
> > This has me so baffled!
> >
> > I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
> the
> > production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
> new
> > records. This button does not work in the production dB.
> >
> > I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down
to
> > the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
> is,
> > when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records
works.
> >
> > Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type
of
> > code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> > something else?
> >
> > Virginia
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 10:24:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:24:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <1903295.1067529638340.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <20031030162404.92457.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network cards).

Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
once you get more familiar with the setup you tighten
up access to the wireless router.

What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from the
wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
accept connections from those.  The reason why is that
if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
with a wireless network card could use your Internet
connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
just sitting out in front of your house in their car.

As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
more and more common.  Especially as businesses
implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority of
the "war-drivers" away.

--- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are downstairs. 
> I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved, what I will have to learn etc.
>  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> possible), if anyone has any experience on this. 
> Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 30 10:50:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:50:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123FF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Make sure the same version of MDAC is installed on all the machines.
Differences in that can cause really weird behavior in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I
do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled.
I don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen
event of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown
reason? And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of
solving it could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of
the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, 
> False, I changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a 
> record. If I run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the 
> startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it 
> to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to 
> add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it 
> down to the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", 
> dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records 
> works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same 
> type of code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I 
> missing something else?
>
> Virginia
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 10:52:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:52:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <20031030162404.92457.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Even worse, they would have direct access to your network.  They can sit
there trying to log in / view directories, add themselves as payees to your
billing etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network cards).

Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
once you get more familiar with the setup you tighten
up access to the wireless router.

What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from the
wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
accept connections from those.  The reason why is that
if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
with a wireless network card could use your Internet
connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
just sitting out in front of your house in their car.

As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
more and more common.  Especially as businesses
implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority of
the "war-drivers" away.

--- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are downstairs.
> I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved, what I will have to learn etc.
>  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
> Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 11:02:46 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:02:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
References: <1903295.1067529638340.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <017901c39f07$a461dbd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I did it here recently.  Got a Linksys Wireless Point Router BEFW1154 and a
wireless point for an office about 30 feet away.  The router has four wired
ports on the back (I've got four machines on wired connection) plus a WAN
port for the broadband.  With XP it just starts itself up and suddenly you
can 'see' the other box.  Both boxes get internet access simultaneously.
The router was about $70 and the wireless access point for the remote
computer was about $50, I think.

And all five boxes can be on the internet and do email at the same time.

HTH,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is
upstairs parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet connection.  I
want to enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats involved,
what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go for the wireless option
(if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.  Also hopefully at some
point next year I will be starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Oct 30 11:06:19 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:06:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067BB6F@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF93@ADGSERVER>

I went the D-Link route also after buy one of my daughters a laptop.
Remember that you want at least one of the pcs to be wired to the router.  
I bought the D-Link DI-614+ for the wireless access point/router and have a
D-Link DWL-650+ wireless network card for the laptop.  The 802.11G was not
out when I bought this setup.  The items that I got were 802.11B, but it
allows throughput of 22Mb/sec instead of the standard 11Mb/sec.
I agree with Frank that you need to allow only the NICs on your network to
have access to the router.  Also, change the default SSID.  And use 12 or
256-bit encryption.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network cards).

Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
once you get more familiar with the setup you tighten
up access to the wireless router.

What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from the
wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
accept connections from those.  The reason why is that
if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
with a wireless network card could use your Internet
connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
just sitting out in front of your house in their car.

As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
more and more common.  Especially as businesses
implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority of
the "war-drivers" away.

--- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are downstairs.
> I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved, what I will have to learn etc.
>  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> possible), if anyone has any experience on this. 
> Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 11:22:43 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:22:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031030172243.5983.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

There is that too.  But I didn't wanna totally freak
him out....hehehhe

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Even worse, they would have direct access to your
> network.  They can sit
> there trying to log in / view directories, add
> themselves as payees to your
> billing etc.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete NOVICE)
> 
> 
> The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
> Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network
> cards).
> 
> Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
> go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
> once you get more familiar with the setup you
> tighten
> up access to the wireless router.
> 
> What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from
> the
> wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
> accept connections from those.  The reason why is
> that
> if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
> radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
> with a wireless network card could use your Internet
> connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
> just sitting out in front of your house in their
> car.
> 
> As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
> more and more common.  Especially as businesses
> implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
> not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority
> of
> the "war-drivers" away.
> 
> --- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> > To all,
> > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are
> downstairs.
> > I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > downstairs.
> > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> for
> > this, whats involved, what I will have to learn
> etc.
> >  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> > possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
> > Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> > starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> > Paul Hartland
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 11:25:19 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:25:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF93@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <20031030172519.62607.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

I kind of cheat at home.  I take the extra paranoid
route.

My network is all encrypted traffic.  I use 3-DES
encrypting NICs (network cards).  All traffic on the
wire on my LAN is encrypted.  When the wireless cards
and routers come out with 3-DES then I will use them
too.

Do I need that kind of paranoia/security?  No.  Not
just no, but hell no....hehehe

But it never hurts to be too paranoid.

--- Bobby Heid <bheid at appdevgrp.com> wrote:
> I went the D-Link route also after buy one of my
> daughters a laptop.
> Remember that you want at least one of the pcs to be
> wired to the router.  
> I bought the D-Link DI-614+ for the wireless access
> point/router and have a
> D-Link DWL-650+ wireless network card for the
> laptop.  The 802.11G was not
> out when I bought this setup.  The items that I got
> were 802.11B, but it
> allows throughput of 22Mb/sec instead of the
> standard 11Mb/sec.
> I agree with Frank that you need to allow only the
> NICs on your network to
> have access to the router.  Also, change the default
> SSID.  And use 12 or
> 256-bit encryption.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete NOVICE)
> 
> 
> The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
> Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network
> cards).
> 
> Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
> go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
> once you get more familiar with the setup you
> tighten
> up access to the wireless router.
> 
> What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from
> the
> wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
> accept connections from those.  The reason why is
> that
> if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
> radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
> with a wireless network card could use your Internet
> connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
> just sitting out in front of your house in their
> car.
> 
> As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
> more and more common.  Especially as businesses
> implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
> not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority
> of
> the "war-drivers" away.
> 
> --- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> > To all,
> > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are
> downstairs.
> > I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > downstairs.
> > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> for
> > this, whats involved, what I will have to learn
> etc.
> >  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> > possible), if anyone has any experience on this. 
> > Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> > starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> > Paul Hartland
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 11:26:26 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:26:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <1903295.1067529638340.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEOLHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Paul,

  Besides what everyone else has said, shop around on the router.  With a
broadband connection, you really need to look at a Firewall/Router
combination.

  A router provides some protection via NAT (Network Address Translation),
but that in of itself is not enough these days.  You really need something
that can filter packets and possibly do state full packet inspection as well
(prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a good Firewall Router will be
cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall software.  However you won't
get the exact same features.  Firewall software really gets you into the
application level, which a Firewall/Router does not.  My suggestion is to do
both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with Symantec's Internet Security
on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a cheap Router and go for the
software alone.

  The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to connect to your home office
from abroad, you should look at getting a router with VPN capabilities.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


To all,
I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is upstairs
parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs.
Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats involved,
what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go for the wireless option
(if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.  Also hopefully at some
point next year I will be starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
looking at servers etc hopefully.
Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated.
Paul Hartland
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 11:36:48 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:36:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEOLHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20031030173648.92812.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come with a
packet filtering firewall.

I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty sure
the Linksys ones do too.

Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own firewall...hehehe 
But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My firewall
cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware, and I
used Linux with various pieces of Linux software to
achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up against
any commercial product out there for security. 
Checkpoint and the like have nothing on me....hehehehe

--- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
>   Besides what everyone else has said, shop around
> on the router.  With a
> broadband connection, you really need to look at a
> Firewall/Router
> combination.
> 
>   A router provides some protection via NAT (Network
> Address Translation),
> but that in of itself is not enough these days.  You
> really need something
> that can filter packets and possibly do state full
> packet inspection as well
> (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a good
> Firewall Router will be
> cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> software.  However you won't
> get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> really gets you into the
> application level, which a Firewall/Router does not.
>  My suggestion is to do
> both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> Symantec's Internet Security
> on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a cheap
> Router and go for the
> software alone.
> 
>   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> connect to your home office
> from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> with VPN capabilities.
> 
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete
> NOVICE)
> 
> 
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs
> parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet
> connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved,
> what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go
> for the wireless option
> (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
>  Also hopefully at some
> point next year I will be starting up on my own
> (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 11:40:54 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:40:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B8@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I think I Finally figured it out. Some forms would open for the users &
others would not. 

Then it finally hit me a while ago. The forms they cannot open are ones that
are linked to SQL Server tables - ODBC. I was sure it was because I added
the new form & tables.

I am not sure how to fix it or why it happened. But I sure feel a lot
better.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Make sure the same version of MDAC is installed on all the machines.
Differences in that can cause really weird behavior in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I
do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled.
I don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen
event of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown
reason? And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of
solving it could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of
the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, 
> False, I changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a 
> record. If I run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the 
> startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it 
> to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to 
> add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it 
> down to the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", 
> dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records 
> works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same 
> type of code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I 
> missing something else?
>
> Virginia
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 11:41:33 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:41:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <20031030173648.92812.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEOMHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Frank,

<<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come with a
packet filtering firewall.>>

  Yes, but it's typically limited in what you can do with it.  The cheaper
models also don't do state full packet inspection or have any type of
adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you get what you pay for<g>.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come with a
packet filtering firewall.

I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty sure
the Linksys ones do too.

Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own firewall...hehehe
But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My firewall
cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware, and I
used Linux with various pieces of Linux software to
achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up against
any commercial product out there for security.
Checkpoint and the like have nothing on me....hehehehe

--- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Paul,
>
>   Besides what everyone else has said, shop around
> on the router.  With a
> broadband connection, you really need to look at a
> Firewall/Router
> combination.
>
>   A router provides some protection via NAT (Network
> Address Translation),
> but that in of itself is not enough these days.  You
> really need something
> that can filter packets and possibly do state full
> packet inspection as well
> (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a good
> Firewall Router will be
> cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> software.  However you won't
> get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> really gets you into the
> application level, which a Firewall/Router does not.
>  My suggestion is to do
> both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> Symantec's Internet Security
> on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a cheap
> Router and go for the
> software alone.
>
>   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> connect to your home office
> from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> with VPN capabilities.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete
> NOVICE)
>
>
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs
> parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet
> connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved,
> what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go
> for the wireless option
> (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
>  Also hopefully at some
> point next year I will be starting up on my own
> (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 30 11:57:57 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:57:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
References: <20031030061401.1968970086.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3FA15125.4000904@shaw.ca>

There is/was a way to do this with Access using RDS DataFactory. There 
are security concerns and as far as I know it fell into disfavour. But 
is still maintained in MDAC 2.5. Your client may have heard of this. I 
know companies that still use it.

http://www.able-consulting.com/RDS_Faq.htm
http://www.able-consulting.com/rds25.htm

Remote Data Services (RDS)
Remote Data Services (RDS) is a proprietary Microsoft mechanism for 
accessing remote data across the Internet or intranet. Microsoft is now 
shipping the Microsoft Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP) Toolkit 2.0 
that enables you to access remote data using an open, XML-based 
standard. Given the availability of the SOAP Toolkit 2.0, you should 
migrate from RDS to SOAP. The SOAP 2.0 Toolkit 2.0 also includes sample 
code for remotely accessing Microsoft ActiveX Data Objects (ADO) Recordsets.


Steven W. Erbach wrote:

>Jim,
>
>  
>
>>>in the connection method you can not used 'bound' forms, the connection is simply too slow, unstable and prone to database corruption.
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>'Unbound' forms can be used, with proven results but the initial setup and design more complex. <<
>>>      
>>>
>
>This is valuable information. However, I don't think it will cause any "ripples" since we're talking about an entirely different BE methodology from that used on a LAN.
>
>My client was under the impression that an Access BE could just be plopped onto a web server and the Access FE could simply be relinked to the GoreNet instead of a local server. I'm going to have to disabuse him of that notion.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>
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>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 12:05:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:05:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B8@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEDKFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Delete the links and relink to the tables.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I think I Finally figured it out. Some forms would open for the users &
others would not.

Then it finally hit me a while ago. The forms they cannot open are ones that
are linked to SQL Server tables - ODBC. I was sure it was because I added
the new form & tables.

I am not sure how to fix it or why it happened. But I sure feel a lot
better.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Make sure the same version of MDAC is installed on all the machines.
Differences in that can cause really weird behavior in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I
do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled.
I don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen
event of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown
reason? And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of
solving it could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of
the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean,
> False, I changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a
> record. If I run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the
> startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it
> to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to
> add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it
> down to the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode",
> dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records
> works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same
> type of code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I
> missing something else?
>
> Virginia
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Oct 30 12:56:40 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:56:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] TEST
Message-ID: <3FA15EE8.20105@verizon.net>

NO ARCHIVE


TEST

-- 
-Francisco




From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 13:12:02 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:12:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEOMHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20031030191202.59670.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

For the most part, that is correct.  The more you pay
the more bells and whistles you get.

Although.  Free's not bad for an enterprise grade
firewall...hehehe  But, like I said, I know how to do
this stuff.  I *HIGHLY* recommend against rolling your
own firewall unless you know EXACTLY what you're
doing.

--- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> <<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> with a
> packet filtering firewall.>>
> 
>   Yes, but it's typically limited in what you can do
> with it.  The cheaper
> models also don't do state full packet inspection or
> have any type of
> adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you get
> what you pay for<g>.
> 
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete NOVICE)
> 
> 
> Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come with
> a
> packet filtering firewall.
> 
> I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty sure
> the Linksys ones do too.
> 
> Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own
> firewall...hehehe
> But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My firewall
> cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware, and
> I
> used Linux with various pieces of Linux software to
> achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up against
> any commercial product out there for security.
> Checkpoint and the like have nothing on
> me....hehehehe
> 
> --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> >   Besides what everyone else has said, shop around
> > on the router.  With a
> > broadband connection, you really need to look at a
> > Firewall/Router
> > combination.
> >
> >   A router provides some protection via NAT
> (Network
> > Address Translation),
> > but that in of itself is not enough these days. 
> You
> > really need something
> > that can filter packets and possibly do state full
> > packet inspection as well
> > (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a
> good
> > Firewall Router will be
> > cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> > software.  However you won't
> > get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> > really gets you into the
> > application level, which a Firewall/Router does
> not.
> >  My suggestion is to do
> > both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> > Symantec's Internet Security
> > on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a
> cheap
> > Router and go for the
> > software alone.
> >
> >   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> > connect to your home office
> > from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> > with VPN capabilities.
> >
> > Jim Dettman
> > President,
> > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > (315) 699-3443
> > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of
> > paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> > To: accessd
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete
> > NOVICE)
> >
> >
> > To all,
> > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > upstairs), mine is upstairs
> > parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet
> > connection.  I want to
> > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > downstairs.
> > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> for
> > this, whats involved,
> > what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go
> > for the wireless option
> > (if possible), if anyone has any experience on
> this.
> >  Also hopefully at some
> > point next year I will be starting up on my own
> > (part-time), so I will be
> > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> > Paul Hartland
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 13:28:01 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:28:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <20031030191202.59670.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031030192801.92606.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

I may be a complete dumbass when it comes to Microsoft
Access, but I've been a network engineer for 17 years.

--- Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com> wrote:
> For the most part, that is correct.  The more you
> pay
> the more bells and whistles you get.
> 
> Although.  Free's not bad for an enterprise grade
> firewall...hehehe  But, like I said, I know how to
> do
> this stuff.  I *HIGHLY* recommend against rolling
> your
> own firewall unless you know EXACTLY what you're
> doing.
> 
> --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Frank,
> > 
> > <<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> > with a
> > packet filtering firewall.>>
> > 
> >   Yes, but it's typically limited in what you can
> do
> > with it.  The cheaper
> > models also don't do state full packet inspection
> or
> > have any type of
> > adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you
> get
> > what you pay for<g>.
> > 
> > Jim Dettman
> > President,
> > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > (315) 699-3443
> > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> > (complete NOVICE)
> > 
> > 
> > Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> with
> > a
> > packet filtering firewall.
> > 
> > I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty
> sure
> > the Linksys ones do too.
> > 
> > Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own
> > firewall...hehehe
> > But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My
> firewall
> > cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware,
> and
> > I
> > used Linux with various pieces of Linux software
> to
> > achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up
> against
> > any commercial product out there for security.
> > Checkpoint and the like have nothing on
> > me....hehehehe
> > 
> > --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > >   Besides what everyone else has said, shop
> around
> > > on the router.  With a
> > > broadband connection, you really need to look at
> a
> > > Firewall/Router
> > > combination.
> > >
> > >   A router provides some protection via NAT
> > (Network
> > > Address Translation),
> > > but that in of itself is not enough these days. 
> > You
> > > really need something
> > > that can filter packets and possibly do state
> full
> > > packet inspection as well
> > > (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a
> > good
> > > Firewall Router will be
> > > cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> > > software.  However you won't
> > > get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> > > really gets you into the
> > > application level, which a Firewall/Router does
> > not.
> > >  My suggestion is to do
> > > both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> > > Symantec's Internet Security
> > > on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a
> > cheap
> > > Router and go for the
> > > software alone.
> > >
> > >   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> > > connect to your home office
> > > from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> > > with VPN capabilities.
> > >
> > > Jim Dettman
> > > President,
> > > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > (315) 699-3443
> > > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> > > To: accessd
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete
> > > NOVICE)
> > >
> > >
> > > To all,
> > > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > > upstairs), mine is upstairs
> > > parents are downstairs.  I have broadband
> internet
> > > connection.  I want to
> > > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > > downstairs.
> > > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> > for
> > > this, whats involved,
> > > what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to
> go
> > > for the wireless option
> > > (if possible), if anyone has any experience on
> > this.
> > >  Also hopefully at some
> > > point next year I will be starting up on my own
> > > (part-time), so I will be
> > > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> > greatly
> > > appreciated.
> > > Paul Hartland
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 13:47:47 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:47:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <20031030192801.92606.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDNFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought being a network engineer for 17 years just automatically made you
a complete dumbass when it comes to Access.

<VERY big grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


I may be a complete dumbass when it comes to Microsoft
Access, but I've been a network engineer for 17 years.

--- Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com> wrote:
> For the most part, that is correct.  The more you
> pay
> the more bells and whistles you get.
>
> Although.  Free's not bad for an enterprise grade
> firewall...hehehe  But, like I said, I know how to
> do
> this stuff.  I *HIGHLY* recommend against rolling
> your
> own firewall unless you know EXACTLY what you're
> doing.
>
> --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Frank,
> >
> > <<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> > with a
> > packet filtering firewall.>>
> >
> >   Yes, but it's typically limited in what you can
> do
> > with it.  The cheaper
> > models also don't do state full packet inspection
> or
> > have any type of
> > adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you
> get
> > what you pay for<g>.
> >
> > Jim Dettman
> > President,
> > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > (315) 699-3443
> > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> > (complete NOVICE)
> >
> >
> > Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> with
> > a
> > packet filtering firewall.
> >
> > I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty
> sure
> > the Linksys ones do too.
> >
> > Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own
> > firewall...hehehe
> > But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My
> firewall
> > cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware,
> and
> > I
> > used Linux with various pieces of Linux software
> to
> > achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up
> against
> > any commercial product out there for security.
> > Checkpoint and the like have nothing on
> > me....hehehehe
> >
> > --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > >   Besides what everyone else has said, shop
> around
> > > on the router.  With a
> > > broadband connection, you really need to look at
> a
> > > Firewall/Router
> > > combination.
> > >
> > >   A router provides some protection via NAT
> > (Network
> > > Address Translation),
> > > but that in of itself is not enough these days.
> > You
> > > really need something
> > > that can filter packets and possibly do state
> full
> > > packet inspection as well
> > > (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a
> > good
> > > Firewall Router will be
> > > cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> > > software.  However you won't
> > > get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> > > really gets you into the
> > > application level, which a Firewall/Router does
> > not.
> > >  My suggestion is to do
> > > both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> > > Symantec's Internet Security
> > > on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a
> > cheap
> > > Router and go for the
> > > software alone.
> > >
> > >   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> > > connect to your home office
> > > from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> > > with VPN capabilities.
> > >
> > > Jim Dettman
> > > President,
> > > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > (315) 699-3443
> > > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> > > To: accessd
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete
> > > NOVICE)
> > >
> > >
> > > To all,
> > > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > > upstairs), mine is upstairs
> > > parents are downstairs.  I have broadband
> internet
> > > connection.  I want to
> > > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > > downstairs.
> > > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> > for
> > > this, whats involved,
> > > what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to
> go
> > > for the wireless option
> > > (if possible), if anyone has any experience on
> > this.
> > >  Also hopefully at some
> > > point next year I will be starting up on my own
> > > (part-time), so I will be
> > > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> > greatly
> > > appreciated.
> > > Paul Hartland
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 14:23:00 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:23:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDNFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031030202300.5136.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

hehehehe

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I thought being a network engineer for 17 years just
> automatically made you
> a complete dumbass when it comes to Access.
> 
> <VERY big grin>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete NOVICE)
> 
> 
> I may be a complete dumbass when it comes to
> Microsoft
> Access, but I've been a network engineer for 17
> years.
> 
> --- Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> wrote:
> > For the most part, that is correct.  The more you
> > pay
> > the more bells and whistles you get.
> >
> > Although.  Free's not bad for an enterprise grade
> > firewall...hehehe  But, like I said, I know how to
> > do
> > this stuff.  I *HIGHLY* recommend against rolling
> > your
> > own firewall unless you know EXACTLY what you're
> > doing.
> >
> > --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Frank,
> > >
> > > <<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50
> come
> > > with a
> > > packet filtering firewall.>>
> > >
> > >   Yes, but it's typically limited in what you
> can
> > do
> > > with it.  The cheaper
> > > models also don't do state full packet
> inspection
> > or
> > > have any type of
> > > adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you
> > get
> > > what you pay for<g>.
> > >
> > > Jim Dettman
> > > President,
> > > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > (315) 699-3443
> > > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > > III
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> > > (complete NOVICE)
> > >
> > >
> > > Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> > with
> > > a
> > > packet filtering firewall.
> > >
> > > I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty
> > sure
> > > the Linksys ones do too.
> > >
> > > Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own
> > > firewall...hehehe
> > > But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My
> > firewall
> > > cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware,
> > and
> > > I
> > > used Linux with various pieces of Linux software
> > to
> > > achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up
> > against
> > > any commercial product out there for security.
> > > Checkpoint and the like have nothing on
> > > me....hehehehe
> > >
> > > --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > > > Paul,
> > > >
> > > >   Besides what everyone else has said, shop
> > around
> > > > on the router.  With a
> > > > broadband connection, you really need to look
> at
> > a
> > > > Firewall/Router
> > > > combination.
> > > >
> > > >   A router provides some protection via NAT
> > > (Network
> > > > Address Translation),
> > > > but that in of itself is not enough these
> days.
> > > You
> > > > really need something
> > > > that can filter packets and possibly do state
> > full
> > > > packet inspection as well
> > > > (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying
> a
> > > good
> > > > Firewall Router will be
> > > > cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> > > > software.  However you won't
> > > > get the exact same features.  Firewall
> software
> > > > really gets you into the
> > > > application level, which a Firewall/Router
> does
> > > not.
> > > >  My suggestion is to do
> > > > both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> > > > Symantec's Internet Security
> > > > on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a
> > > cheap
> > > > Router and go for the
> > > > software alone.
> > > >
> > > >   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> > > > connect to your home office
> > > > from abroad, you should look at getting a
> router
> > > > with VPN capabilities.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Dettman
> > > > President,
> > > > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > > (315) 699-3443
> > > > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of
> > > > paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> > > > To: accessd
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> > (complete
> > > > NOVICE)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To all,
> > > > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs,
> 1
> > > > upstairs), mine is upstairs
> > > > parents are downstairs.  I have broadband
> > internet
> > > > connection.  I want to
> > > > enable them to use my broadband connection
> from
> > > > downstairs.
> > > > Could someone please give me advice on
> solutions
> > > for
> > > > this, whats involved,
> > > > what I will have to learn etc.  I would like
> to
> > go
> > > > for the wireless option
> > > > (if possible), if anyone has any experience on
> > > this.
> > > >  Also hopefully at some
> > > > point next year I will be starting up on my
> own
> > > > (part-time), so I will be
> > > > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > > > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> > > greatly
> > > > appreciated.
> > > > Paul Hartland
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> 
=== message truncated ===


From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Thu Oct 30 15:30:50 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:30:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
Message-ID: <9000-2200310430213050656@christopherhawkins.com>

I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box
that a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style
Input Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to
type slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-



From lists at theopg.com  Thu Oct 30 15:28:47 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:28:47 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself
In-Reply-To: <25155085.1067530489273.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <000101c39f2c$edaf1e40$4039fc3e@netboxxp>

Hi all...

Using AXP on Win XP

I have a form containing a tab control (3 pages of which 2 have
subforms).

When I cycle down through records in the main form all is well... But
when I cycle back, at certain records, the tab control gets taller until
it fills the form...

I am not messing about with any object heights (some widths) so as far
as I can see there's no reason...

Anyone seen anything similar?

Thanks very much

Mark

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 30 15:54:56 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:54:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Update Table
In-Reply-To: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
References: <014001c399bc$5790e1c0$1a75fea9@LAPTOP>
        <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
Message-ID: <19450.12.3.132.98.1067550896.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hi Group

I need to update a column by setting all fields that are 5 characters long
to equal the same values pluls "0" at the beginning. How do I specify that
in WHERE ?


UPDATE GPM_1
SET [Org Level 2 Code]= "0" & [Org Level 2 Code]
WHERE





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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 16:18:36 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:18:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7CE@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Something strange has happened to the SQL Server connection. Now keep in
mind - this has been working for months now with no problems, this week
something has changed and I have no clue what happened.

Somehow the connection has been changed. First change I found, the data was
coming from the development server instead of production. I looked at the
tables and there were all these records with test test as the title. Now it
is requiring a password to SQL Server. I have the ODBC connection to the SQL
Server tables. I relinked the tables, set up a new connection and it is
still not working. Of course IT tells me they have not changed anything, but
they are working on the problem.

Very frustrating!


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Delete the links and relink to the tables.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I think I Finally figured it out. Some forms would open for the users &
others would not.

Then it finally hit me a while ago. The forms they cannot open are ones that
are linked to SQL Server tables - ODBC. I was sure it was because I added
the new form & tables.

I am not sure how to fix it or why it happened. But I sure feel a lot
better.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Make sure the same version of MDAC is installed on all the machines.
Differences in that can cause really weird behavior in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I
do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled.
I don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen
event of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown
reason? And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of
solving it could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of
the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean,
> False, I changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a
> record. If I run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the
> startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it
> to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to
> add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it
> down to the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode",
> dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records
> works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same
> type of code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I
> missing something else?
>
> Virginia
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>

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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Thu Oct 30 16:27:25 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:27:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Update Table
Message-ID: <227210-2200310430222725752@christopherhawkins.com>

Try this:

UPDATE [tablename] SET [fieldname] = '0' & '[value]' WHERE
((Len([fieldname])=5));

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Update Table
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:54:56 -0500 (EST)

>Hi Group
>
>I need to update a column by setting all fields that are 5 
>characters long
>to equal the same values pluls "0" at the beginning. How do I 
>specify that
>in WHERE ?
>
>
>UPDATE GPM_1
>SET [Org Level 2 Code]= "0" & [Org Level 2 Code]
>WHERE
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 30 16:26:11 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:26:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Update Table
In-Reply-To: <19450.12.3.132.98.1067550896.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA21CA3.24368.27D91D@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 16:54, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Hi Group
> 
> I need to update a column by setting all fields that are 5 characters long
> to equal the same values pluls "0" at the beginning. How do I specify that
> in WHERE ?
> 
> 
> UPDATE GPM_1
> SET [Org Level 2 Code]= "0" & [Org Level 2 Code]
> WHERE
> 

LEN([Org Level 2 Code]) = 5


or if you also have 2,3 and 4 character long entries, you can pad 
them all in one hit by using

 UPDATE GPM_1
 SET [Org Level 2 Code]= RIGHT("000000" & [Org Level 2 Code],6)

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 30 16:26:11 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:26:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <20031030121350.49100.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FA21CA3.27374.27D945@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 4:13, Dale Kalsow wrote:

> Good Morning Everyone, I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms
> question.  I tried to put a subform in a Continuous Form and I
> received an error that it was not allowed.  So I created a listbox
> that shows the same information that the subform did.  The listbox
> lists parts that partain to the current record.  The problem I now
> have is all records displayed have save information in the listbox. 
> As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update but on
> all records not just the current one.  Does any one know if I can get
> each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do
> this, maybe a different control? Thanks in advance! Dale 
> 

Try an unbound parent form containing two subforms and an invisible 
text box  

txtLink is the invisible text box.
frmSubForm1 is your current continuous form with a key named "Key". 
frmSubForm2 is the actual subform.   

Set txtLink.ControlSource to "=[frmSubForm1].[Form].[Key]" and set 
the Link Master Field of frmSubForm2 to "txtLink"

As the users moves through the records in frmSubForm1, frmSubForm2 
will update automagically.


 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 16:33:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:33:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself
In-Reply-To: <000101c39f2c$edaf1e40$4039fc3e@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEDFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hey, we have to pay extra for that capability in A2K!

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself


Hi all...

Using AXP on Win XP

I have a form containing a tab control (3 pages of which 2 have
subforms).

When I cycle down through records in the main form all is well... But
when I cycle back, at certain records, the tab control gets taller until
it fills the form...

I am not messing about with any object heights (some widths) so as far
as I can see there's no reason...

Anyone seen anything similar?

Thanks very much

Mark

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 30 16:37:24 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:37:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7CE@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA21F44.19624.321ED5@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 16:18, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> Something strange has happened to the SQL Server connection. Now keep in
> mind - this has been working for months now with no problems, this week
> something has changed and I have no clue what happened.
> 
> Somehow the connection has been changed. First change I found, the data was
> coming from the development server instead of production. I looked at the
> tables and there were all these records with test test as the title. Now it
> is requiring a password to SQL Server. I have the ODBC connection to the SQL
> Server tables. I relinked the tables, set up a new connection and it is
> still not working. Of course IT tells me they have not changed anything, but
> they are working on the problem.
> 

What sort of ODBC connection? I'd suspect you are using a File DSN 
and someone has changed it. (Take a look at the actual DSN file and 
check it's modified date and owner)

 
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From lists at theopg.com  Thu Oct 30 17:58:16 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:58:16 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEDFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001101c39f41$afb2d810$4039fc3e@netboxxp>

hehehe... Nice one

mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 30 October 2003 22:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself


Hey, we have to pay extra for that capability in A2K!

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself


Hi all...

Using AXP on Win XP

I have a form containing a tab control (3 pages of which 2 have
subforms).

When I cycle down through records in the main form all is well... But
when I cycle back, at certain records, the tab control gets taller until
it fills the form...

I am not messing about with any object heights (some widths) so as far
as I can see there's no reason...

Anyone seen anything similar?

Thanks very much

Mark

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From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Thu Oct 30 15:42:02 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:42:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E28@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

Hi All,

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 19:39:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:39:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I needed
to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.

Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they recommended
that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work for
Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a bit
long in the tooth, truth be told.

The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.  And
"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The site
survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.

Ignorant liars!

Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the laptop
changes to match!  Still no connection though.

Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a
wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.

Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.

Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others can't
see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
know what I did to finally get it running.

Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 19:59:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:59:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code
In-Reply-To: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E28@bcmsg010.corp.ads>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Liz,

Yep, can be done.  One way (DAO)

dim db as dao.database
dim rst as dao.recordset
dim blnNoRecords as boolean
dim lngRecCnt as long

	set db = currentdb
	set rst = db.open("MyQryName")
	blnNoRecords = rst.eof

OR...
	rst.movelast
	lngRecCnt = rst.recordcount

Someone else can pipe up with the ADO equivalent.

Alternatively you could build a summation query that returns just a count of
a field in the first query.

Lots of ways to skin this cat. (blech, what a saying!)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and store
it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the user
sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From GordonS2 at pacbell.net  Thu Oct 30 20:44:49 2003
From: GordonS2 at pacbell.net (Gordon Stubbs)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:44:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01c39f58$f552d250$0200a8c0@Home1>

John,
Use the WEP 128 bit encryption that should keep others from getting into
your wireless network. Make sure all your wireless computers use the
same encryption code.

Also turn on the firewall if you have one so you can keep a trusted side
(your network) and un-trusted side (the internet)

Gordon



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:40 PM
To: Database Advisors Inc. (Tech); AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)

I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in)
and
the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered
a
dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.

Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
long in the tooth, truth be told.

The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.

Ignorant liars!

Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router
config
page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
changes to match!  Still no connection though.

Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I
have a
wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.

Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't
quit,
and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.

Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
know what I did to finally get it running.

Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 30 21:01:02 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:01:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA18A1E.15768.1057261@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 20:39, John Colby wrote:

> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

Over on DBA-Tech, if'n you please :-))

--
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I've learned....
That one should keep his words both soft and tender, because tomorrow 
he may have to eat them.



From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Thu Oct 30 21:06:28 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:36:28 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4B8@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

>From a forum I frequent:

**********************************
1) Use 128 bit WEP.

2) Use an obscure WEP key.

3) Don't use the default WEP key number (usually the first, either 0 or 1).

4) Use MAC address filtering

5) Hide the SSID.

6) Have an obscure SSID, not one that easily identifies your location (for
example, use a random string of 20 characters).

7) Turn off your router's DHCP server and use manually, statically assigned
IP addresses.

8) Change the subnet that your network operates on from the default one.

9) Change the IP of the router to something other than .254 or .1.

10) Change the frequency that your wireless network operates on from
something other than the default (usually 6 or 1). I favour the highest
channel that both your router and wireless network card can support,
providing that there is no interference.

If you really want to get paranoid, then you can consider changing any of
the variable parameters listed above on a frequent basis. The best one to
change would be the WEP key itself. Also, seeing as cracking WEP requires
the capture of a large number of packets, you can help to limit this concern
by doing large file transfers and downloads on wired computers rather than
wireless ones.
**************************************

Cheers,
Andrew



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 12:10 PM
To: Database Advisors Inc. (Tech); AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I needed
to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.

Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they recommended
that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work for
Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a bit
long in the tooth, truth be told.

The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.  And
"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The site
survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.

Ignorant liars!

Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the laptop
changes to match!  Still no connection though.

Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a
wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.

Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.

Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others can't
see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
know what I did to finally get it running.

Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 21:26:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:26:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <3FA18A1E.15768.1057261@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEEPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I also posted there.  The problem with that is that I have no idea how many
of the very skilled AccessD list members are on DBA-Tech.  Perhaps you can
answer that.  Am I reaching everyone on AccessD over there?  1/4 of them?

I mean it's a nice idea, but kinda useless if all these "I've been a network
guy for 125 years" guys aren't on that list.

So what percent of our membership hangs out there as well?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


On 30 Oct 2003 at 20:39, John Colby wrote:

> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

Over on DBA-Tech, if'n you please :-))

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 21:30:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:30:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4B8@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow.  Thanks!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett,
Andrew
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


>From a forum I frequent:

**********************************
1) Use 128 bit WEP.

2) Use an obscure WEP key.

3) Don't use the default WEP key number (usually the first, either 0 or 1).

4) Use MAC address filtering

5) Hide the SSID.

6) Have an obscure SSID, not one that easily identifies your location (for
example, use a random string of 20 characters).

7) Turn off your router's DHCP server and use manually, statically assigned
IP addresses.

8) Change the subnet that your network operates on from the default one.

9) Change the IP of the router to something other than .254 or .1.

10) Change the frequency that your wireless network operates on from
something other than the default (usually 6 or 1). I favour the highest
channel that both your router and wireless network card can support,
providing that there is no interference.

If you really want to get paranoid, then you can consider changing any of
the variable parameters listed above on a frequent basis. The best one to
change would be the WEP key itself. Also, seeing as cracking WEP requires
the capture of a large number of packets, you can help to limit this concern
by doing large file transfers and downloads on wired computers rather than
wireless ones.
**************************************

Cheers,
Andrew



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 12:10 PM
To: Database Advisors Inc. (Tech); AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I needed
to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.

Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they recommended
that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work for
Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a bit
long in the tooth, truth be told.

The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.  And
"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The site
survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.

Ignorant liars!

Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the laptop
changes to match!  Still no connection though.

Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a
wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.

Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.

Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others can't
see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
know what I did to finally get it running.

Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 30 21:35:52 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:35:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEEPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3FA18A1E.15768.1057261@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA19248.8354.125575D@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 22:26, John Colby wrote:

> I also posted there.  The problem with that is that I have no idea how

Yea I know. I meant that the responses should go over there.

> many of the very skilled AccessD list members are on DBA-Tech. 
> Perhaps you can answer that.  Am I reaching everyone on AccessD over
> there?  1/4 of them?

> So what percent of our membership hangs out there as well?

418 AccessD members
73 dba-tech members, a lot of them are the "high fliers" from over 
here.

So I understand your point about posting here and dba-tech.

But we need to get some more traffic over there :-), that is why I 
asked for answers to go over there. 

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
My reality check bounced.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 21:48:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:48:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEFAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am working on my LWS system.  I pulled in a specific class using the file
export / insert class / insert file method outlined in the emails a week or
so ago.  Now my database gets a page fault on decompile.  I have narrowed it
down to a specific class, but I have no idea how to narrow it down further.
The entire system compiles.  The class functions correctly in one form, yet
fails in another.  I just happened to decide to try the decompile and found
the page fault then.

Truly weird that a class that was exported to a text file and then brought
back in to another db would carry with it something that could cause a page
fault on decompile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 30 22:59:54 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:59:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code
In-Reply-To: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E28@bcmsg010.corp.ads>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEEGCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Liz:

How's it going? Just got back from my DBA course.

I am not sure what you fully mean but I will assume you mean, 'How can can a
existing MS Access query to be used to create/populate a recordset. A query
does not return rows because it is just a sequel script but that script can
be used to generate the data for a recordset as follows:

Public Function GetInvoice() as Boolean
 Dim strConnection As String
 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

 strConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

GetInvoice = False

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database.
' If the query does not have parameters just remove the
' .Parameter row from the Command settings.
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = strConnection
 .CommandText = "TheNameofMyMDBQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, strInvoiceCode)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

End Function

Assuming the query was going to return some rows, your recorset is now
populated.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and store
it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the user
sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 23:03:57 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:03:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:
	[dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEPLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <03aa01c39f6c$63d2ce70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

I'm beginning to think you're right.  I always took it as an article of
faith to check all the tables - started with that chunk of code in the
ADH97.  I think I've got to write a new checker/relinker routine tomorrow.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw:
[dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Hi Rocky,
> I just check for one table. If you have more than one linked source then,
of
> course, this wouldn't be wise.
>
> I have a function which accepts a table name as a parameter and check the
> link. I guess it is making the assumption that if one table is OK they all
> are - it's usually not a good thing to assume - but I haven't heard of any
> other reason this idea is flawed. It will be interesting to watch this
> thread.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
> > KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> > links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
> > would suffice.
> >
> > Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present
in
> > the location it's expected to be.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:32 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
> > ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I
> > try to map a
> > > drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an
email
> > re
> > > this subject a month or two ago.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
> > > DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of
> > my client.
> > > Thank you for the code.
> > >
> > > I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.
> >  Although
> > at
> > > most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.
I
> > > usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on
the
> > > splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes
necessary.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> > > ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the
database
> > and
> > > > how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more
> > people in the
> > > > database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus
> > the speedup
> > > > with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can
be
> > > very
> > > > dramatic.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> > > > OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the code.
> > > >
> > > > It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> > > >
> > > > I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> > > > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> > > >
> > > > (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without
> > For -
> > > > and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> > > >
> > > > fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> > > >
> > > > in the original with
> > > >
> > > > fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> > > >
> > > > in the new version.)
> > > >
> > > > Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> > > >
> > > > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> > > > tsCheckTableLinksNew
> > > >
> > > > The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is
this
> > > about
> > > > right?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
Open
> > > > inTribble'sRelinker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Rocky,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's what I did:
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> > > > >
> > > > > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one
> > open recordset
> > > per
> > > > > BE to speed up db
> > > > > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > > > > #Const LogIt = True
> > > > > #Const TimeIt = False
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > Then add in a new function below:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > '-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------
> > > > > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open
the
> > > > Table.
> > > > > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > > > > '
> > > > > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > > > > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > '-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------
> > > > > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As
> > String)
> > > > As
> > > > > Boolean
> > > > >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > > > >    Dim var As Variant
> > > > >
> > > > >    On Error Resume Next
> > > > >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> > > > >    If err <> 0 Then
> > > > >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> > > > >    Else
> > > > >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> > > > >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> > > > >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> > > > >    End If
> > > > >    On Error GoTo 0
> > > > >
> > > > > End Function
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with
> > the BE name
> > > as
> > > > > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single
> > recordset,
> > > > but
> > > > > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> > > > >
> > > > >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > > > > #Const TestNew = True
> > > > > #If TestNew Then
> > > > >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink =
False
> > > Then
> > > > > #Else
> > > > >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > > > > #End If
> > > > >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> > > > >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after
first
> > > > >             '.valid table link is found.
> > > > >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
> > > instead
> > > > > of the old.
> > > > >
> > > > > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> > Smolin -
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> > Connection Open in
> > > > > Tribble'sRelinker
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody
> > know how to
> > > > modify
> > > > > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks
> > faster
> > > > over
> > > > > a network?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA and regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct 30 23:53:46 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:53:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEEGCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001a01c39f73$59c9d200$7001a8c0@COA3>

>I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Liz,
If all you need is a count, try:

lngCount=Dcount("primary_key_field","qry_something") 
If lngCount > 0 then ' you have rows

There's even an optional where clause available as the third parameter
for the function, so you can count how many in the query/table meet a
certain criteria.

Steve




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi Liz:

How's it going? Just got back from my DBA course.

I am not sure what you fully mean but I will assume you mean, 'How can
can a existing MS Access query to be used to create/populate a
recordset. A query does not return rows because it is just a sequel
script but that script can be used to generate the data for a recordset
as follows:

Public Function GetInvoice() as Boolean
 Dim strConnection As String
 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

 strConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

GetInvoice = False

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database.
' If the query does not have parameters just remove the
' .Parameter row from the Command settings.
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = strConnection
 .CommandText = "TheNameofMyMDBQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar,
adParamInput, 10, strInvoiceCode) End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

End Function

Assuming the query was going to return some rows, your recorset is now
populated.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and
store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the
user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows
or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 30 23:58:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:58:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227467@main2.marlow.com>

I do.....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


I also posted there.  The problem with that is that I have no idea how many
of the very skilled AccessD list members are on DBA-Tech.  Perhaps you can
answer that.  Am I reaching everyone on AccessD over there?  1/4 of them?

I mean it's a nice idea, but kinda useless if all these "I've been a network
guy for 125 years" guys aren't on that list.

So what percent of our membership hangs out there as well?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


On 30 Oct 2003 at 20:39, John Colby wrote:

> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

Over on DBA-Tech, if'n you please :-))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That one should keep his words both soft and tender, because tomorrow
he may have to eat them.


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 31 01:44:55 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:44:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] white paper
Message-ID: <001d01c39f82$e7fe3f70$220110ac@SUSANONE>

White Paper: How to Survive in a Multi-Database Environment
To help you administer more than one database simultaneously, Quest
Software offers a new white paper: "The Heterogeneous DBA: Surviving
in a Multi database Environment." This white paper reviews common
database terminology, discusses how each database handles space
management, and offers helpful tips on administrative differences.
http://www.ittoolbox.com/r/rd.asp?i=2027

=======Some of you may find this useful. I haven't had a chance to review it
closely yet, so if it's a bust, I apologize.

Susan H.


From nilslenz at 3oaks.com  Fri Oct 31 05:51:41 2003
From: nilslenz at 3oaks.com (Nils R. Lenz)
Date: 31 Oct 2003 11:51:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Your current info
Message-ID: <1067601101.17301.17593.sendUpdate@mx.plaxo.com>

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Oct 31 06:26:00 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:26:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067BE69@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF9A@ADGSERVER>

Hi all,

Yesterday I was happily working away in my db when AccXP crashed and wanted
to send information to MS.  After this event happened, it kept happening.  

Seeing as how everything had already been checked in to SS, I proceeded to
build db from SS.  I started getting errors on many of the items that I had
been working on.  XP created a text file for each item that it could not
import into Access.  Each file has the following text:

Error encountered at line 1.
This object was created with a newer version of Microsoft Access than you
are currently running.

I did a repair on my OffXP installation, but no help.  I'm thinking that it
might be an issue with SS, but I'm not sure.

In the .SCC file that SS creates, Explorer shows .ACF files with a type of
"Microsoft Agent Character File (HTTP format)".  If that helps any.

Has anyone ever ran up against this?  Or anyone have any ideas on how to fix
it?

Thanks,
Bobby


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Oct 31 06:30:03 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:30:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Weird Access XP/SS problem.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF9B@ADGSERVER>

One other thing, I am using Access XP SP2.

Bobby


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 31 06:40:29 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:40:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7F6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Not easily.  We bought some useful tools from ComponentOne one of which does this.  Pretty reasonably priced too.  You might try Codehound.com or Vb2theMax  or PlanetSourceCode for freebies too.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box
that a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style
Input Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to
type slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 31 06:50:00 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:50:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:
	[dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXkF38A@pacific.net.hk>
References: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXkF38A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <2012207773.20031031135000@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

We've chosen to put that feature into a separate repair and
maintenance (compact) modul as a normal user might not have a clue on
what's going on and why not. That way you can leave those options for
a superuser or db-admin person.

/gustav

> I am thinking though that a further test is still probably required to keep it
> as user friendly as required.  Assuming the file exists, but is corrupt, it
> would be nice if the db could have the option to automatically attempt repair
> the BE and then fail gracefully if failure occurs.


From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 06:57:49 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:57:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Rename labels and bind textboxes programmatically
Message-ID: <20031031125749.7403.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I need to create a lot of forms. All with the same
layout.
Top of the page has a listbox (lstHeader) that shows
all fields/records from a table.
Bottom of the page has 11-54 textboxes (the number of
textboxes equals the number of columns in the textbox)

The labels are named: lbl1..through lbl54
The textboxes are named: txt1 through txt54

I want to:
1 - rename the labels to match the column name
2 - bind the rControlSource prop of the textbox to
link to the approp. listbox column e.g.:
txt1.controlsource = lstHeader.column(1)

Can anybody give me some tips on how to do steps 1 and
2? I've added my code below.

TIA

SD


Private Sub Form_Load()
   Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset
   Dim fld As ADODB.Field
   Dim intFldCount As Integer
'-------------------------------------------
   Dim intI As Integer
   Dim frm As Form
   Dim intfrmCount As Integer
   Dim astrCtlName() As String
   Dim astrColName() As String
   Dim i As Integer
   Dim intCnt As Integer
'-------------------------------------------
   'add rowsource to listbox
   lstHeader.RowSource = "tblTest"
   
   'Count columns
   Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
   rst.Open "[tblTest]", CurrentProject.Connection
   intFldCount = rst.Fields.Count
   
   'Initialize the array to hold control names
   ReDim astrColName(0 To intFldCount - 1)
   
   'Store columnnames in Array
   For intI = 0 To rst.Fields.Count - 1
      Set fld = rst.Fields(intI)
      astrColName(intI) = fld.Name
   Next intI
 
   'loop through columns
   For i = 0 To intFldCount - 1
      Debug.Print astrColName(i)
   Next i

   'Count form objects
   Set frm = Forms("Form1XXXX")
   intfrmCount = frm.Count

   For i = 0 To intfrmCount - 1
      Debug.Print frm(i).ControlType
      Select Case frm(i).ControlType
         Case acLabel
            'rename the label
            Debug.Print frm(i).Name
         Case acTextBox
            'link textbox to lstHeader.column(i)
            Debug.Print frm(i).Name
         Case Else
      End Select
   Next i
End Sub


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 31 07:17:19 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:17:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Your current info
References: <1067601101.17301.17593.sendUpdate@mx.plaxo.com>
Message-ID: <006601c39fb1$501a1420$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...not the forum for this Nils :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nils R. Lenz" <nilslenz at 3oaks.com>
To: "Access D List Post E-Mail" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Your current info


> Access,
>
> I'm updating my address book. Please take a moment to update me
> with your latest contact info.
>
>
> Click the following link to correct or confirm your information:
https://www.plaxo.com/edit_contact_info?r=8589975139-21043049--1742336137&t=web
>
> Name: Access D List Post E-Mail
> Job Title:
> Company: Access D List Post E-Mail Address
> Work E-mail: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Work Phone:
> Work Fax:
> Work Address Line 1:
> Work Address Line 2:
> Work City, State, Zip:
> Mobile Phone:
>
> Home E-mail:
> Home Phone:
> Home Fax:
> Home Address Line 1:
> Home Address Line 2:
> Home City, State, Zip:
> Birthday:
> My current contact information:
>
>
>
> P.S. I've included my current contact information below.  I've also
attached a copy as a vCard.
>
>  +-----------------
>  | Nils R. Lenz
>  | nilslenz at 3oaks.com
>  | Accountant/Programmer/Primerica Representitive
>  |
>  | B & N Lenz Enterprises/Primerica Financial Services
>  | 37023 Pepper Drive
>  | Zephyrhills, Florida 33541-3613
>  | work: 813-782-9491
>  | fax: 209-755-6445/813-782-9491
>  | mobile: 813-997-3903
>  |
>  | Personal Information:
>  | 37023 Pepper Drive
>  | Zephyrhills, Florida 33541-3613
>  | home: 813-782-9491
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 07:28:15 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:28:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
	<002401c39e4c$6700bab0$22edf73d@winxp>
Message-ID: <00a701c39fb2$d6e78cc0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

A.J.:

Sorry for the delayed acknowledgement of your reply which I just received.
My ISP has recently merged with the USPS and they are guaranteeing delivery
of email from any where in the world in under three days.  As you can see
they were way ahead of schedule with yours.  :(

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A.D.Tejpal" <adtp at touchtelindia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


Rocky,

    Having aligned the tops of bullet label and the text box, you may like
to ensure dynamic positioning and sizing of controls horizontally. Can grow
& can shrink properties of detail section (as well as the controls in it)
have to be Yes. Overlapping of any controls in design view may be avoided.

    Sample code is given below. TxtRmk is the main text box, while LbBT is
the label containing the bullet. Hard values used in the sample code (incl
Wd1 & Wd2) can be adjusted suitably so as to get the desired results.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
--------------
Code Start
--------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const Wd1 As Integer = 400
Const Wd2 As Integer = 5000
--------------------------------------------------
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                        FormatCount As Integer)
    TxtRmk.Width = 100     ' Safe value - to prevent
'                                              error on a/c of space
constaint.
    If BulletCriteria = "Y"  Then
        LbBT.Visible = True
        LbBT.Width = Wd1
        TxtRmk.Left = LbBT.Left + Wd1 + 100       ' A
        TxtRmk.Width = Wd2 - (Wd1 + 100)            ' B
    Else
        LbBT.Visible = False
        LbBT.Width = 0.01 * Wd1
        TxtRmk.Left = LbBT.Left + 0.01 * Wd1 + 100   ' C
        TxtRmk.Width = Wd2 - (0.01 * Wd1 + 100)        ' D
    End If
' Note - (A + B) should equal (C + D)
End Sub
--------------
Code End
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 22:08
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  You probably had the textbox positioned slightly above the bullet.  Try
  top aligning them.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  Bob:

  That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below
  the text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid'
  approach to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of
  text I made the text line and the bullet the same height and turned the
  bullet on and off depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So
  avoided the whole problem instead of solving it.

  But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that
  made the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.

  Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  > Bob
  >
  > ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you
  > show the bullet or not?
  >
  > William Hindman
  > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  > lifetime?
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  >
  >
  > > William
  > >
  > > ***************************************************
  > > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

  > > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then txtBullet = Null
  > > txtBullet.Visible = False
  > > Else
  > > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
  > > txtBullet.Visible = True
  > > End If
  > > End Sub
  > > ***************************************************
  > >
  > > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
  > > CanShrink=Yes.
  > >
  > > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
  > >
  > > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
  > >
  > >  [_] [_____________________________]
  > >
  > > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
  > >
  > > Regards,
  > > Bob Gajewski
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
  > > Hindman
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
  > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > >
  > >
  > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
  > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline
  > > with
  > your
  > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH

  > > :)
  > >
  > > William Hindman
  > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  lifetime?
  > >
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > >
  > >
  > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
  > > indent -
  > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted
  > > > with
  > the
  > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet

  > > > to
  > the
  > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a
  > > > bulleted
  > list
  > > in
  > > > a Word doc.
  > > >
  > > > Rocky
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
  > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
  > > concatenate
  > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
  > > > >
  > > > > William Hindman
  > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  > > lifetime?
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
  > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >    Dear List:
  > > > >
  > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
  which
  > > are
  > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
  > boilerplate
  > > > > header text.
  > > > >
  > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.

  > > > > So
  > far,
  > > > so
  > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
  Italic
  > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
  > > > >
  > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
  tried
  > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
  with
  > > the
  > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I
  > > > > make
  > the
  > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except
  > > > > that
  > > because
  > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
  > > > >
  > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
  > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
  > > > >
  > > > > It comes out like this:
  > > > >
  > > > >              Text One.
  > > > > (bullet)
  > > > >              Text Two.
  > > > > (bullet)
  > > > >
  > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
  bulleted
  > > list
  > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
  > > > >
  > > > > MTIA,
  > > > >
  > > > > Rocky Smolin
  > > > > Beach Access Software

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 07:33:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:33:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c39fb3$914311c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 07:47:16 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:47:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c39fb3$914311c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20031031134716.25352.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them to
show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
they rarely take that long to show up but that is the
timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
elections to trickle down.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> John:
> 
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> 
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Oct 31 08:08:06 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:08:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7F6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <000001c39fb8$68714b40$7001a8c0@COA3>

If you're not ready to spend on 3rd party, VB6 does have the MS Masked
Edit control (msmask32.ocx). Under Project/Components/Controls, select
it, then it will show up on your toolbox.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


Not easily.  We bought some useful tools from ComponentOne one of which
does this.  Pretty reasonably priced too.  You might try Codehound.com
or Vb2theMax  or PlanetSourceCode for freebies too.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box that
a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style Input
Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to type
slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 31 08:30:00 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:30:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7F8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Ah I forgot about that one.  I'm trying to remember why we're not using it.  Difficult to customize the mask maybe?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


If you're not ready to spend on 3rd party, VB6 does have the MS Masked
Edit control (msmask32.ocx). Under Project/Components/Controls, select
it, then it will show up on your toolbox.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


Not easily.  We bought some useful tools from ComponentOne one of which
does this.  Pretty reasonably priced too.  You might try Codehound.com
or Vb2theMax  or PlanetSourceCode for freebies too.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box that
a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style Input
Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to type
slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 31 08:33:38 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:33:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7878@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Whatever the ins and outs of corrupted p-code and such that might be causing
this problem, you *should* be able to fix the trouble by simply importing
everything into an empty Db.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:48 PM
> To:	AccessD
> Subject:	[AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
> 
> I am working on my LWS system.  I pulled in a specific class using the
> file
> export / insert class / insert file method outlined in the emails a week
> or
> so ago.  Now my database gets a page fault on decompile.  I have narrowed
> it
> down to a specific class, but I have no idea how to narrow it down
> further.
> The entire system compiles.  The class functions correctly in one form,
> yet
> fails in another.  I just happened to decide to try the decompile and
> found
> the page fault then.
> 
> Truly weird that a class that was exported to a text file and then brought
> back in to another db would carry with it something that could cause a
> page
> fault on decompile.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Oct 31 08:45:20 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:45:20 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Your current info
References: <1067601101.17301.17593.sendUpdate@mx.plaxo.com>
	<006601c39fb1$501a1420$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000501c39fbd$9c05b180$aacc11d2@bitswshome>

I think he has sent this to all contacts in his address book.  But he forgot
to remove mailing lists.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Your current info


> ...not the forum for this Nils :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nils R. Lenz" <nilslenz at 3oaks.com>
> To: "Access D List Post E-Mail" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:51 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Your current info
>
>
> > Access,
> >
> > I'm updating my address book. Please take a moment to update me
> > with your latest contact info.
> >
> >
> > Click the following link to correct or confirm your information:
>
https://www.plaxo.com/edit_contact_info?r=8589975139-21043049--1742336137&t=web
> >
> > Name: Access D List Post E-Mail
> > Job Title:
> > Company: Access D List Post E-Mail Address
> > Work E-mail: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Work Phone:
> > Work Fax:
> > Work Address Line 1:
> > Work Address Line 2:
> > Work City, State, Zip:
> > Mobile Phone:
> >
> > Home E-mail:
> > Home Phone:
> > Home Fax:
> > Home Address Line 1:
> > Home Address Line 2:
> > Home City, State, Zip:
> > Birthday:
> > My current contact information:
> >
> >
> >
> > P.S. I've included my current contact information below.  I've also
> attached a copy as a vCard.
> >
> >  +-----------------
> >  | Nils R. Lenz
> >  | nilslenz at 3oaks.com
> >  | Accountant/Programmer/Primerica Representitive
> >  |
> >  | B & N Lenz Enterprises/Primerica Financial Services
> >  | 37023 Pepper Drive
> >  | Zephyrhills, Florida 33541-3613
> >  | work: 813-782-9491
> >  | fax: 209-755-6445/813-782-9491
> >  | mobile: 813-997-3903
> >  |
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> >  | home: 813-782-9491
> >  | fax: 209-755-9445/813-782-9491
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 08:46:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:46:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c39fb3$914311c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy chaining my old 4 port
router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The newer models even figure
out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or regular.  The biggest
issue there was that the router was the dhcp server so I had to turn off the
old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also hardwired the address of
the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4 port routers isn't a
panacea however since you now end up using two ports just for the daisy
chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also have a wireless so I can
get my laptop in through that and could also get other computers in if
needed.

I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the internet to "call in"
for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the wall from the living room
(luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I understand that the
model II has USB ports that can automatically use the USB wireless cards to
connect to the internet.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 08:47:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:47:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031031134716.25352.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Win2K Pro all the way.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them to
show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
they rarely take that long to show up but that is the
timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
elections to trickle down.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> John:
> 
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> 
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Oct 31 08:48:52 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:48:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7DA@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Yes, it is a .dsn. The date wasn't changed, but we re-created it anyway,
relinked all the tables & it is now working. Another strange thing is that
it worked not only on my machine, but a users that was running XP OS. I
think someone had to have changed something on the server in IT, this just
doesn't 'happen'.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


On 30 Oct 2003 at 16:18, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> Something strange has happened to the SQL Server connection. Now keep in
> mind - this has been working for months now with no problems, this week
> something has changed and I have no clue what happened.
> 
> Somehow the connection has been changed. First change I found, the data
was
> coming from the development server instead of production. I looked at the
> tables and there were all these records with test test as the title. Now
it
> is requiring a password to SQL Server. I have the ODBC connection to the
SQL
> Server tables. I relinked the tables, set up a new connection and it is
> still not working. Of course IT tells me they have not changed anything,
but
> they are working on the problem.
> 

What sort of ODBC connection? I'd suspect you are using a File DSN 
and someone has changed it. (Take a look at the actual DSN file and 
check it's modified date and owner)

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.



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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 08:51:01 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:51:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031145101.17959.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>

My home LAN is a mish-mash of OSes.  Win2k Pro.  Win2k
Server.  WinXP Pro.  Linux.  FreeBSD.  Soon I will be
adding PS2 Linux (Linux for the Playstation 2) to
it....hehehe

Keeping them all playing nice together gets ugly
sometimes....hehehe

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Win2K Pro all the way.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
> Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
> can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them
> to
> show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
> they rarely take that long to show up but that is
> the
> timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
> elections to trickle down.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > John:
> > 
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > 
> > I've also found that when creating a new network
> it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > 
> > 
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter. 
> Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and
> see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally
> sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or
> not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > 
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 31 08:52:42 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:52:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c39fb3$914311c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEAMHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Rocky,

  Some FYI stuff:

<<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>

  Yes you can do that but you should not go more then 3 levels deep.  If you
do, the latency will become too high (time it takes for a packet to flow
through the network).  In a home network, that would never happen, but it
can in a business and is something you need to watch out for, because it can
happen easily.  Especially with employees who install WAP (wireless access
points) on their own.

<<I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.>>

 That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS works (Win 9x and NT
networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it workgroup name and
computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a "browse master", which keeps
a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then need to contact the browse
master to get the list for network neighborhood.  The browse master is
usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it can't see a browse master
already on the network, then it elects itself to becomes one.  Often, this
causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now talk to another PC
which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go through an arbitration
process to figure out who should get the job.  This involves a considerable
amount of overhead.

  Because of all of the above, the net result is that it can take 10 or 15
minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in network neighborhood.  In
a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes 30 - 45 minutes).

  You can circumvent all this in a home network if you keep one station on
all the time by setting that PC to always be the browse master.  You do that
through network properties, File and Print sharing For Microsoft Networks,
and changing the Browse  Master setting from automatic to enabled or
disabled as appropriate (only one station should be enabled for the entire
network).

  Last, you can often clear up problems without rebooting by dropping to the
command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces a reload of the name
cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by doing nbtstat -c.  The
net view command also shows you the network in a non-graphical format
(Network neighborhood is built on top of that command).

HTH,
Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 08:54:35 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:54:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031145435.35211.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
or server connected to your LAN that's not a
workstation and is virtually always on.

For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
all hubs from your network and using them as
doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
have many benifits over hubs.

Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
port gets the fill bandwidth.

That's not including the security issues inherent with
hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
available ports rather than to the proper destination
port.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> chaining my old 4 port
> router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> newer models even figure
> out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> regular.  The biggest
> issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> so I had to turn off the
> old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> hardwired the address of
> the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> port routers isn't a
> panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> just for the daisy
> chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> have a wireless so I can
> get my laptop in through that and could also get
> other computers in if
> needed.
> 
> I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> internet to "call in"
> for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> wall from the living room
> (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> understand that the
> model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> the USB wireless cards to
> connect to the internet.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> 
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 31 08:58:29 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:58:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEAOHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  Win2K and WinXP still do LAN Manager and NETBIOS under the covers, so you
still can have the same problems.  If you drill down in the registry under
system services, you'll find all the LAN Manager settings still there.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Win2K Pro all the way.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them to
show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
they rarely take that long to show up but that is the
timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
elections to trickle down.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> John:
>
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
>
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 08:58:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:58:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7878@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEGGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The odd part is that by deleting that module back out, the page fault went
away.  I then pulled the actual class module itself in directly from an old
database (from the DatabaseAdvisors article) and no problem.  So SOMETHING
got put into the file when it was exported into the text file, or when that
was inserted into the new class module.

Access can be trying at times!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K


Whatever the ins and outs of corrupted p-code and such that might be causing
this problem, you *should* be able to fix the trouble by simply importing
everything into an empty Db.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:48 PM
> To:	AccessD
> Subject:	[AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
>
> I am working on my LWS system.  I pulled in a specific class using the
> file
> export / insert class / insert file method outlined in the emails a week
> or
> so ago.  Now my database gets a page fault on decompile.  I have narrowed
> it
> down to a specific class, but I have no idea how to narrow it down
> further.
> The entire system compiles.  The class functions correctly in one form,
> yet
> fails in another.  I just happened to decide to try the decompile and
> found
> the page fault then.
>
> Truly weird that a class that was exported to a text file and then brought
> back in to another db would carry with it something that could cause a
> page
> fault on decompile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Oct 31 09:04:42 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:04:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7F8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <000101c39fc0$50a4f130$7001a8c0@COA3>

It's not the easiest, but its already paid for ...IMO, a typical
M$-good-not-great control.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


Ah I forgot about that one.  I'm trying to remember why we're not using
it.  Difficult to customize the mask maybe?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


If you're not ready to spend on 3rd party, VB6 does have the MS Masked
Edit control (msmask32.ocx). Under Project/Components/Controls, select
it, then it will show up on your toolbox.

Steve


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


Not easily.  We bought some useful tools from ComponentOne one of which
does this.  Pretty reasonably priced too.  You might try Codehound.com
or Vb2theMax  or PlanetSourceCode for freebies too.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box that
a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style Input
Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to type
slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 09:14:48 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:14:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <01da01c39fc1$b95adc70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I had daisy chained a wireless router off my wired router - turned off the
dhcp in the wireless.  It worked but the wireless machine connection was
unstable.  Then a power outage hosed the wired router so I chucked it and
went with the wireless which was fine because I have 4 machines in wire
range and Pundit's as the fifth wireless.  Now her connection is much more
stable.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:46 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had
no
> joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy chaining my old 4 port
> router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The newer models even figure
> out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or regular.  The biggest
> issue there was that the router was the dhcp server so I had to turn off
the
> old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also hardwired the address of
> the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4 port routers isn't a
> panacea however since you now end up using two ports just for the daisy
> chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also have a wireless so I can
> get my laptop in through that and could also get other computers in if
> needed.
>
> I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the internet to "call in"
> for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the wall from the living
room
> (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I understand that the
> model II has USB ports that can automatically use the USB wireless cards
to
> connect to the internet.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> John:
>
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
>
> I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially
on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network
to
> work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in)
and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered
a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router
config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I
have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't
quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 09:18:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:18:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEAMHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Browse master?  What about the DHCP Server, I thought that was its purpose.
My router hands out addresses.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Rocky,

  Some FYI stuff:

<<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>

  Yes you can do that but you should not go more then 3 levels deep.  If you
do, the latency will become too high (time it takes for a packet to flow
through the network).  In a home network, that would never happen, but it
can in a business and is something you need to watch out for, because it can
happen easily.  Especially with employees who install WAP (wireless access
points) on their own.

<<I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.>>

 That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS works (Win 9x and NT
networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it workgroup name and
computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a "browse master", which keeps
a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then need to contact the browse
master to get the list for network neighborhood.  The browse master is
usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it can't see a browse master
already on the network, then it elects itself to becomes one.  Often, this
causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now talk to another PC
which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go through an arbitration
process to figure out who should get the job.  This involves a considerable
amount of overhead.

  Because of all of the above, the net result is that it can take 10 or 15
minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in network neighborhood.  In
a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes 30 - 45 minutes).

  You can circumvent all this in a home network if you keep one station on
all the time by setting that PC to always be the browse master.  You do that
through network properties, File and Print sharing For Microsoft Networks,
and changing the Browse  Master setting from automatic to enabled or
disabled as appropriate (only one station should be enabled for the entire
network).

  Last, you can often clear up problems without rebooting by dropping to the
command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces a reload of the name
cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by doing nbtstat -c.  The
net view command also shows you the network in a non-graphical format
(Network neighborhood is built on top of that command).

HTH,
Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 09:18:54 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:18:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEAMHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <01f001c39fc2$4c076250$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Jim:

Thanks.  That may give me a lead as to why not all the machines can see all
the other machines.  I think I'll study ancient Aramaic.  Seems easier.

Rocky

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Rocky,
>
>   Some FYI stuff:
>
> <<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your
router
> to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>
>
>   Yes you can do that but you should not go more then 3 levels deep.  If
you
> do, the latency will become too high (time it takes for a packet to flow
> through the network).  In a home network, that would never happen, but it
> can in a business and is something you need to watch out for, because it
can
> happen easily.  Especially with employees who install WAP (wireless access
> points) on their own.
>
> <<I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a
few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially
on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network
to
> work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.>>
>
>  That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS works (Win 9x and NT
> networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it workgroup name and
> computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a "browse master", which
keeps
> a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then need to contact the
browse
> master to get the list for network neighborhood.  The browse master is
> usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it can't see a browse
master
> already on the network, then it elects itself to becomes one.  Often, this
> causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now talk to another PC
> which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go through an
arbitration
> process to figure out who should get the job.  This involves a
considerable
> amount of overhead.
>
>   Because of all of the above, the net result is that it can take 10 or 15
> minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in network neighborhood.
In
> a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes 30 - 45 minutes).
>
>   You can circumvent all this in a home network if you keep one station on
> all the time by setting that PC to always be the browse master.  You do
that
> through network properties, File and Print sharing For Microsoft Networks,
> and changing the Browse  Master setting from automatic to enabled or
> disabled as appropriate (only one station should be enabled for the entire
> network).
>
>   Last, you can often clear up problems without rebooting by dropping to
the
> command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces a reload of the name
> cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by doing nbtstat -c.  The
> net view command also shows you the network in a non-graphical format
> (Network neighborhood is built on top of that command).
>
> HTH,
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> John:
>
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
>
> I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially
on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network
to
> work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in)
and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered
a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router
config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I
have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't
quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 09:19:41 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:19:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031031145435.35211.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01fa01c39fc2$68337360$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Is there a difference between a switch and a router?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> workstation and is virtually always on.
>
> For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> all hubs from your network and using them as
> doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> have many benifits over hubs.
>
> Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> port gets the fill bandwidth.
>
> That's not including the security issues inherent with
> hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> available ports rather than to the proper destination
> port.
>
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > chaining my old 4 port
> > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > newer models even figure
> > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > regular.  The biggest
> > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > so I had to turn off the
> > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > hardwired the address of
> > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > port routers isn't a
> > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > just for the daisy
> > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > have a wireless so I can
> > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > other computers in if
> > needed.
> >
> > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > internet to "call in"
> > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > wall from the living room
> > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > understand that the
> > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > the USB wireless cards to
> > connect to the internet.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> >
> > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 09:21:06 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:21:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEAOHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought it only used that stuff if you had that protocol enabled for that
NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John,

  Win2K and WinXP still do LAN Manager and NETBIOS under the covers, so you
still can have the same problems.  If you drill down in the registry under
system services, you'll find all the LAN Manager settings still there.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Win2K Pro all the way.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them to
show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
they rarely take that long to show up but that is the
timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
elections to trickle down.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> John:
>
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
>
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 09:31:53 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:31:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEAOHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20031031153153.47671.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, they do.  But LAN Manager isn't used between the
"modern" variants by default.  It falls back to that
if the "newer" technologies cannot be used to discover
the devices.

--- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> John,
> 
>   Win2K and WinXP still do LAN Manager and NETBIOS
> under the covers, so you
> still can have the same problems.  If you drill down
> in the registry under
> system services, you'll find all the LAN Manager
> settings still there.
> 
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Win2K Pro all the way.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
> Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
> can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them
> to
> show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
> they rarely take that long to show up but that is
> the
> timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
> elections to trickle down.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > John:
> >
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> >
> > I've also found that when creating a new network
> it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter. 
> Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and
> see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally
> sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or
> not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 09:34:07 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:34:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031153408.94413.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

Master Browser is different than DHCP.  It's a "behind
the scenes" thing.

When a computer is added to the network a browser
election is forced, to see who will be the domain's
master browser.  There is a long convoluted formula
that Windows uses to determine this.  It's based on
OS, hardware, anda few other things I disremember at
the moment.

The winner of this election is the one that hands out
the information that you see when you click on Network
Neighborhood.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Browse master?  What about the DHCP Server, I
> thought that was its purpose.
> My router hands out addresses.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> 
>   Some FYI stuff:
> 
> <<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the ports on your router
> to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>
> 
>   Yes you can do that but you should not go more
> then 3 levels deep.  If you
> do, the latency will become too high (time it takes
> for a packet to flow
> through the network).  In a home network, that would
> never happen, but it
> can in a business and is something you need to watch
> out for, because it can
> happen easily.  Especially with employees who
> install WAP (wireless access
> points) on their own.
> 
> <<I've also found that when creating a new network
> it sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.>>
> 
>  That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS
> works (Win 9x and NT
> networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it
> workgroup name and
> computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a
> "browse master", which keeps
> a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then
> need to contact the browse
> master to get the list for network neighborhood. 
> The browse master is
> usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it
> can't see a browse master
> already on the network, then it elects itself to
> becomes one.  Often, this
> causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now
> talk to another PC
> which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go
> through an arbitration
> process to figure out who should get the job.  This
> involves a considerable
> amount of overhead.
> 
>   Because of all of the above, the net result is
> that it can take 10 or 15
> minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in
> network neighborhood.  In
> a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes
> 30 - 45 minutes).
> 
>   You can circumvent all this in a home network if
> you keep one station on
> all the time by setting that PC to always be the
> browse master.  You do that
> through network properties, File and Print sharing
> For Microsoft Networks,
> and changing the Browse  Master setting from
> automatic to enabled or
> disabled as appropriate (only one station should be
> enabled for the entire
> network).
> 
>   Last, you can often clear up problems without
> rebooting by dropping to the
> command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces
> a reload of the name
> cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by
> doing nbtstat -c.  The
> net view command also shows you the network in a
> non-graphical format
> (Network neighborhood is built on top of that
> command).
> 
> HTH,
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> 
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 09:36:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:36:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <01fa01c39fc2$68337360$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20031031153604.69925.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>

A router and a switch are fundimentall different
things.

A router does just that.  It routes network traffic.

A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.

Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
ones can perform both functions.This isn't an exact
definition, but it's as close as I could think of
without getting too technical.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price
> and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus
> if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that
> are
> > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent
> with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper
> destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however
> daisy
> > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router. 
> The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover
> or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining
> two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two
> ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use
> the
> > > internet to "call in"
> > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down
> the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically
> use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the
> > > ports on your router to
> > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network
> it
> > > sometimes takes a few
> > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at
> the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an
> ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off
> NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a
> 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11),
> played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter. 
> Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> (no
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 09:37:26 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:37:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031153726.50010.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
that Microsoft networks used for discovery of network
objects, and authentication between said objects.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> protocol enabled for that
> NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> John,
> 
>   Win2K and WinXP still do LAN Manager and NETBIOS
> under the covers, so you
> still can have the same problems.  If you drill down
> in the registry under
> system services, you'll find all the LAN Manager
> settings still there.
> 
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Win2K Pro all the way.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
> Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
> can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them
> to
> show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
> they rarely take that long to show up but that is
> the
> timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
> elections to trickle down.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > John:
> >
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> >
> > I've also found that when creating a new network
> it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter. 
> Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and
> see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally
> sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or
> not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 09:49:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:49:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031031153726.50010.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed as a protocol for that LAN
in network manager / properties?

In the past I would end up with ALL of those things actually showing.  These
days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying that whether they show there
or not they are still loaded and being used?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
that Microsoft networks used for discovery of network
objects, and authentication between said objects.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> protocol enabled for that
> NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Oct 31 09:58:11 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:58:11 -0500
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem. - SOLVED
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF9E@ADGSERVER>

Ok, here's the deal.  After repairing OXP, the re-installing OXP, I got to
looking at the forms in notepad.  The ones that were giving me problems had
a "VersionRequired =20" string in it.  The others had a 17.  In looking at
the database open, it was opened as a 2000 format db.  Not the 2002 version
it was supposed to be.  So apparently the crash reset the version info in
the database.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem.


Hi all,

Yesterday I was happily working away in my db when AccXP crashed and wanted
to send information to MS.  After this event happened, it kept happening.  

Seeing as how everything had already been checked in to SS, I proceeded to
build db from SS.  I started getting errors on many of the items that I had
been working on.  XP created a text file for each item that it could not
import into Access.  Each file has the following text:

Error encountered at line 1.
This object was created with a newer version of Microsoft Access than you
are currently running.

I did a repair on my OffXP installation, but no help.  I'm thinking that it
might be an issue with SS, but I'm not sure.

In the .SCC file that SS creates, Explorer shows .ACF files with a type of
"Microsoft Agent Character File (HTTP format)".  If that helps any.

Has anyone ever ran up against this?  Or anyone have any ideas on how to fix
it?

Thanks,
Bobby

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 10:27:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:27:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031162704.67250.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

No.  NetBIOS natively runs in conjunction with TCP/IP.
 There is an option to uncheck that, however.

I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS. 
They're two different things.  NetBEUI is a
"proprietary" Microsoft protocol that is not
routeable.  This makes it very small and efficient for
LAN environments, however, due to limitations of the
protocol itself it tends to be much less efficient in
larger environments, and will not route out to the
Internet at all.


--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed as
> a protocol for that LAN
> in network manager / properties?
> 
> In the past I would end up with ALL of those things
> actually showing.  These
> days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying that
> whether they show there
> or not they are still loaded and being used?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
> discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
> that Microsoft networks used for discovery of
> network
> objects, and authentication between said objects.
> 
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> > protocol enabled for that
> > NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Fri Oct 31 10:27:10 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:27:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with office XP
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2531@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

I'm coming back to this issue as I now have my new machine and I need to be
able to connect to the server.  This machine is not on Novel, it is
connecting to the sun server through Windows 2000.  I can create databases
on the server, but I can not open them.  I am thinking that something has to
be set up through the network folks to get the lan server to talk to the sun
server.  If anyone has any suggestions that I can try through the PC, please
feel free to offer.


From steve.grant at stgsolutions.com  Fri Oct 31 10:33:24 2003
From: steve.grant at stgsolutions.com (Steve Grant)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:33:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c39fcc$b77fd9e0$9301110a@stegralaptop>

Hi John,

In order to use Network neighborhood, you have to use NetBios.

If you look closely in your TCPIP settings you'll see that you are using
NetBios over TCPIP.

So in fact, you do not need to put it as a protocol.

I think you will have to put it as a protocol if you are using anything
lower than Win98.

Steve

-----Message d'origine-----
De?: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] De la part de John Colby
Envoy??: October 31, 2003 10:50 AM
??: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Objet?: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)

Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed as a protocol for that LAN
in network manager / properties?

In the past I would end up with ALL of those things actually showing.  These
days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying that whether they show there
or not they are still loaded and being used?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
that Microsoft networks used for discovery of network
objects, and authentication between said objects.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> protocol enabled for that
> NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 10:39:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:39:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031031162704.67250.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEGPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.

ohhhh.... you may be right.

I know just enough to be dangerous, but I can say with some pride that I am
VERY dangerous!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


No.  NetBIOS natively runs in conjunction with TCP/IP.
 There is an option to uncheck that, however.

I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
They're two different things.  NetBEUI is a
"proprietary" Microsoft protocol that is not
routeable.  This makes it very small and efficient for
LAN environments, however, due to limitations of the
protocol itself it tends to be much less efficient in
larger environments, and will not route out to the
Internet at all.


--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed as
> a protocol for that LAN
> in network manager / properties?
>
> In the past I would end up with ALL of those things
> actually showing.  These
> days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying that
> whether they show there
> or not they are still loaded and being used?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
>
>
> NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
> discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
> that Microsoft networks used for discovery of
> network
> objects, and authentication between said objects.
>
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> > protocol enabled for that
> > NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Oct 31 10:48:14 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:48:14 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: (Friday Funnies) Office Comparison
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEGPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c39fce$c70b45f0$aacc11d2@bitswshome>

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/10/compare.html


From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Fri Oct 31 10:51:41 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:51:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF9E@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug








From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 10:57:03 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:57:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Any suggestions for preventing this type of behavior?

Spanking?

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug







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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 31 10:57:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:57:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312404@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I can't remember ever seeing form corruption in a production
environment, but it is a not uncommon occurrence in a development
environment.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug







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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 10:59:10 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEGPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031165910.74632.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

At least you're not like some of the (l)users I
support.  Some of them barely know where the power
button is.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> >I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
> 
> ohhhh.... you may be right.
> 
> I know just enough to be dangerous, but I can say
> with some pride that I am
> VERY dangerous!!!
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> No.  NetBIOS natively runs in conjunction with
> TCP/IP.
>  There is an option to uncheck that, however.
> 
> I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
> They're two different things.  NetBEUI is a
> "proprietary" Microsoft protocol that is not
> routeable.  This makes it very small and efficient
> for
> LAN environments, however, due to limitations of the
> protocol itself it tends to be much less efficient
> in
> larger environments, and will not route out to the
> Internet at all.
> 
> 
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed
> as
> > a protocol for that LAN
> > in network manager / properties?
> >
> > In the past I would end up with ALL of those
> things
> > actually showing.  These
> > days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying
> that
> > whether they show there
> > or not they are still loaded and being used?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
> > discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old"
> method
> > that Microsoft networks used for discovery of
> > network
> > objects, and authentication between said objects.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > I thought it only used that stuff if you had
> that
> > > protocol enabled for that
> > > NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 31 11:03:19 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:03:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
References: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <4627406498.20031031180319@cactus.dk>

Hi Doug

> .. Any suggestions for preventing this type of behavior?

Convert the picture to bmp format and use that.

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 31 11:07:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:07:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312406@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is
Access 2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get
the crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so
it will be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you
sometimes have problems with whatever caused the crash in the first
place.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem.


Hi all,

Yesterday I was happily working away in my db when AccXP crashed and
wanted to send information to MS.  After this event happened, it kept
happening.  

Seeing as how everything had already been checked in to SS, I proceeded
to build db from SS.  I started getting errors on many of the items that
I had been working on.  XP created a text file for each item that it
could not import into Access.  Each file has the following text:

Error encountered at line 1.
This object was created with a newer version of Microsoft Access than
you are currently running.

I did a repair on my OffXP installation, but no help.  I'm thinking that
it might be an issue with SS, but I'm not sure.

In the .SCC file that SS creates, Explorer shows .ACF files with a type
of "Microsoft Agent Character File (HTTP format)".  If that helps any.

Has anyone ever ran up against this?  Or anyone have any ideas on how to
fix it?

Thanks,
Bobby

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 31 11:19:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:19:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222746B@main2.marlow.com>

No.  Computer Browsing deals with finding a machine on the network.  DHCP is
only the service that hands out IP Addresses.  One a LAN, you either need to
use DNS, WINS, or computer browsing.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Browse master?  What about the DHCP Server, I thought that was its purpose.
My router hands out addresses.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Rocky,

  Some FYI stuff:

<<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>

  Yes you can do that but you should not go more then 3 levels deep.  If you
do, the latency will become too high (time it takes for a packet to flow
through the network).  In a home network, that would never happen, but it
can in a business and is something you need to watch out for, because it can
happen easily.  Especially with employees who install WAP (wireless access
points) on their own.

<<I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.>>

 That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS works (Win 9x and NT
networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it workgroup name and
computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a "browse master", which keeps
a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then need to contact the browse
master to get the list for network neighborhood.  The browse master is
usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it can't see a browse master
already on the network, then it elects itself to becomes one.  Often, this
causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now talk to another PC
which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go through an arbitration
process to figure out who should get the job.  This involves a considerable
amount of overhead.

  Because of all of the above, the net result is that it can take 10 or 15
minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in network neighborhood.  In
a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes 30 - 45 minutes).

  You can circumvent all this in a home network if you keep one station on
all the time by setting that PC to always be the browse master.  You do that
through network properties, File and Print sharing For Microsoft Networks,
and changing the Browse  Master setting from automatic to enabled or
disabled as appropriate (only one station should be enabled for the entire
network).

  Last, you can often clear up problems without rebooting by dropping to the
command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces a reload of the name
cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by doing nbtstat -c.  The
net view command also shows you the network in a non-graphical format
(Network neighborhood is built on top of that command).

HTH,
Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 31 11:20:37 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:20:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222746C@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router is
used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so it
can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to another.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Is there a difference between a switch and a router?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> workstation and is virtually always on.
>
> For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> all hubs from your network and using them as
> doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> have many benifits over hubs.
>
> Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> port gets the fill bandwidth.
>
> That's not including the security issues inherent with
> hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> available ports rather than to the proper destination
> port.
>
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > chaining my old 4 port
> > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > newer models even figure
> > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > regular.  The biggest
> > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > so I had to turn off the
> > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > hardwired the address of
> > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > port routers isn't a
> > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > just for the daisy
> > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > have a wireless so I can
> > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > other computers in if
> > needed.
> >
> > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > internet to "call in"
> > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > wall from the living room
> > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > understand that the
> > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > the USB wireless cards to
> > connect to the internet.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> >
> > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 31 11:22:07 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:22:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031031165910.74632.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c39fd3$82c41430$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...which, imnsho, is a GOOD thing! :))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> At least you're not like some of the (l)users I
> support.  Some of them barely know where the power
> button is.
>
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
> >
> > ohhhh.... you may be right.
> >
> > I know just enough to be dangerous, but I can say
> > with some pride that I am
> > VERY dangerous!!!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:27 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > No.  NetBIOS natively runs in conjunction with
> > TCP/IP.
> >  There is an option to uncheck that, however.
> >
> > I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
> > They're two different things.  NetBEUI is a
> > "proprietary" Microsoft protocol that is not
> > routeable.  This makes it very small and efficient
> > for
> > LAN environments, however, due to limitations of the
> > protocol itself it tends to be much less efficient
> > in
> > larger environments, and will not route out to the
> > Internet at all.
> >
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed
> > as
> > > a protocol for that LAN
> > > in network manager / properties?
> > >
> > > In the past I would end up with ALL of those
> > things
> > > actually showing.  These
> > > days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying
> > that
> > > whether they show there
> > > or not they are still loaded and being used?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > > III
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
> > > discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old"
> > method
> > > that Microsoft networks used for discovery of
> > > network
> > > objects, and authentication between said objects.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > I thought it only used that stuff if you had
> > that
> > > > protocol enabled for that
> > > > NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 31 11:27:19 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:27:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: (Friday Funnies) Office Comparison
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222746D@main2.marlow.com>

I liked this part...too bad it was near the end...

Access exactly the same but costs $50 more
Access much more valuable to your corporation with $50 more on the price
tag.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: (Friday Funnies) Office Comparison


http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/10/compare.html

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 31 11:33:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:33:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
In-Reply-To: <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
 <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>

Hi all

The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:

> My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> record and adding a header etc. to the final document.

Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?

It is for assembling a catalogue where each item in Access has it own
small description in formatted text (bold, underline, sub/sup script
only) into one rtf document which are read by the dtp people.

Basically the task is to strip the header and the tail from the small
rtf strings, concatenation these, then adding one header and one tail
to create one finished document.

/gustav


> I once located these links to a compact list of codes (not sure of the
> version) and some simple code examples:

>   http://thorkildsen.no/faqsys/docs/rtf.txt

>   http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=233068

> My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> record and adding a header etc. to the final document.

> So if you come up with a routine for parsing an rtf string, at least
> extracting the content including bold, underline, and italic
> attributes, I would be pleased to see it.

> Here's a link to a class in RealBasic for parsing a subset of rtf
> formatted text. I guess you can download a trial version of RealBasic
> to study it:

>   http://www.belle-nuit.com/realbasic/rtfparser.html

> In Java life is easier:

>   http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/docs/api/javax/swing/text/rtf/RTFEditorKit.html

> /gustav


>> Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're interested, I
>> was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en

>> Mark


>> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work to
>> write it.

>> The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before writing
>> them out to the file.

>> Here is a link to the RTF spec.

> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp?frame=true

>> As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.

> http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs

>> Bryan Carbonnell
>> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 11:50:04 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:50:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Replication by CD copy
Message-ID: <20031031115004.1440114447.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I'm attempting to set up replication for an Access XP application I've written. I developed the database in Access 2000 on my office w/s using a FE/BE scheme. I made my office copy of the BE the Design Master (I only replicated the BE; the FE isn't replicated) and I made one Replica from it to be the Hub, I believe it's called.

I made a replica from the Hub and wrote it to a CD to take to my client's site. There I copied it to his main workstation and proceeded to make replicas of it to be distributed to a number of laptops that won't be connected to his network *at all*.

My question is this: if the owners of these laptops periodically make CD copies of their replicas and mail them to the home office of my client and he synchronizes them with the main PC copy...and then makes copies onto CD and mails them back to the laptop owners and *they* synchronize with their replicas...would that work OK? There doesn't seem to be any other practical way for these laptop copies to by synched with the Main Office except by mailing CDs back and forth.

My concern is if a laptop owner makes a CD copy of the replicated BE and mails it off, and then proceeds to enter and edit more data before he gets an up-to-date CD from the home office, would that mess up the replication scheme? I'm guessing No, it wouldn't; but I'm not sure. Of course, the documentation for replication is a monumental dud.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 31 11:47:25 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:47:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
	<5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004b01c39fd7$0ba95e60$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

gustav

...you might take a look at Lebans RTF stuff ...he has code for copying RTF
to and from the clipboard and for processing the elements into a grid
control.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA


> Hi all
>
> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:
>
> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
>
> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?
>
> It is for assembling a catalogue where each item in Access has it own
> small description in formatted text (bold, underline, sub/sup script
> only) into one rtf document which are read by the dtp people.
>
> Basically the task is to strip the header and the tail from the small
> rtf strings, concatenation these, then adding one header and one tail
> to create one finished document.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > I once located these links to a compact list of codes (not sure of the
> > version) and some simple code examples:
>
> >   http://thorkildsen.no/faqsys/docs/rtf.txt
>
> >   http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=233068
>
> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
>
> > So if you come up with a routine for parsing an rtf string, at least
> > extracting the content including bold, underline, and italic
> > attributes, I would be pleased to see it.
>
> > Here's a link to a class in RealBasic for parsing a subset of rtf
> > formatted text. I guess you can download a trial version of RealBasic
> > to study it:
>
> >   http://www.belle-nuit.com/realbasic/rtfparser.html
>
> > In Java life is easier:
>
> >
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/docs/api/javax/swing/text/rtf/RTFEditorKit.html
>
> > /gustav
>
>
> >> Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're
interested, I
> >> was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.
>
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en
>
> >> Mark
>
>
> >> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will
work to
> >> write it.
>
> >> The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before
writing
> >> them out to the file.
>
> >> Here is a link to the RTF spec.
>
> >
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp?frame=true
>
> >> As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.
>
> > http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs
>
> >> Bryan Carbonnell
> >> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 11:59:05 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:59:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031031153604.69925.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <05a901c39fd8$ae9fb3c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

"but it's as close as I could think of without getting too technical."

Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like halfway between a hub and
a router?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> things.
>
> A router does just that.  It routes network traffic.
>
> A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
>
> Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> ones can perform both functions.This isn't an exact
> definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> without getting too technical.
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price
> > and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus
> > if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that
> > are
> > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent
> > with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however
> > daisy
> > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover
> > or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining
> > two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two
> > ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use
> > the
> > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down
> > the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically
> > use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> > the
> > > > ports on your router to
> > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network
> > it
> > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> > kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at
> > the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> > laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an
> > ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off
> > NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a
> > 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> > card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> > regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11),
> > played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.
> > Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> > (no
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 12:29:34 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:29:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <05a901c39fd8$ae9fb3c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20031031182934.87628.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

It is sort of half-way, but not really.

Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
switches, on their most basic level perform the same
function.  They distribute network traffic.  But HOW
they distribute that traffic is fundimentally
different.

Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4
switches, they cannot perform routing functions.  They
just hand packets off from point A to point B.  Think
of them as sort of a postman.  They have an address
for each device on the network and they hand off each
piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
using this sama analagy would deliver the same piece
of mail to every house and the one that it belonged to
would be the one that actually reads it.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> "but it's as close as I could think of without
> getting too technical."
> 
> Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like
> halfway between a hub and
> a router?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> > things.
> >
> > A router does just that.  It routes network
> traffic.
> >
> > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> >
> > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> exact
> > definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> > without getting too technical.
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > > device
> > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > > >
> > > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > > removing
> > > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in
> price
> > > and
> > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > >
> > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports. 
> Thus
> > > if
> > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> that
> > > are
> > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch,
> each
> > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > >
> > > > That's not including the security issues
> inherent
> > > with
> > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to
> all
> > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > destination
> > > > port.
> > > >
> > > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am
> however
> > > daisy
> > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > > The
> > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> crossover
> > > or
> > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > > server
> > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > > also
> > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> Chaining
> > > two 4
> > > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > > panacea however since you now end up using
> two
> > > ports
> > > > > just for the daisy
> > > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I
> also
> > > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > > get my laptop in through that and could also
> get
> > > > > other computers in if
> > > > > needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to
> use
> > > the
> > > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable
> down
> > > the
> > > > > wall from the living room
> > > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > > basement).  I
> > > > > understand that the
> > > > > model II has USB ports that can
> automatically
> > > use
> > > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > > connect to the internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John:
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off
> one of
> > > the
> > > > > ports on your router to
> > > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > > devices
> > > > > from one router this
> > > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've also found that when creating a new
> network
> > > it
> > > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > > 'see'
> > > > > each other - especially on
> > > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around
> frustrated
> > > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > > work and then have the same experience you
> had -
> > > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > > suddenly the other machines are in my
> network
> > > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Colby"
> <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless
> router a
> > > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > > needed
> 
=== message truncated ===


From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Oct 31 12:19:49 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:19:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <012201c39fdb$92a5cee0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

Doug,

I would recommend decompiling your development mdb. Steps:

 1. Backup your mdb
 2. Decompile. To do this, run Access with the /decompile switch:
      MSACCESS.EXE your.mdb  /decompile
 3. Compact and Repair.
 4. Compile your VBA project.
 5. Make your mde and deploy

I always decompile:

 * Before deploying updates
 * When I get the 'Bad DLL calling convention' error
 * Anytime I sense any weirdness at all with VBA's behavior

I will usually decompile:

 * After extensive code revisions
 * After adding/removing objects containing code

Decompile has fixed a long list of corruption issues for me. I've relied on
it for over a year now, and I trust it, at least in A2K. It is on my list of
'best-practice' methods for maintaining trouble-free code.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug









From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 31 13:04:29 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:04:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Replication by CD copy
References: <20031031115004.1440114447.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3FA2B23D.8080802@shaw.ca>

Copying or moving replicas either by email or sneaker net is a BAD THING.

Here is Michael Kaplan's take on this. He made a small fortune fixing 
these things.

PURPOSE OF REPLICATION: To have two or more copies of a Jet database 
that are always considered one synchronization away from being 
identical. Multiple people can make changes in multiple databases but in 
the end everyone will reach "convergence" and will be the same. The 
support is for connected and occasionally connected users... but not FOR 
disconnected users. Microsoft Jet replication does not support the 
scenario where you do not have a true direct, indirect, or internet 
connection. Period.

This will not apply in the following scenarios:

1) Using the built-in methods to move a replica, either via the 
Replication Manager menu command or the TSI Synchronizer MoveReplica 
method.
2) The briefcase reconciler


http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet009.asp?1033
Have look through his site for replication suggestions
http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/

Steven W. Erbach wrote:

>Dear Group,
>
>I'm attempting to set up replication for an Access XP application I've written. I developed the database in Access 2000 on my office w/s using a FE/BE scheme. I made my office copy of the BE the Design Master (I only replicated the BE; the FE isn't replicated) and I made one Replica from it to be the Hub, I believe it's called.
>
>I made a replica from the Hub and wrote it to a CD to take to my client's site. There I copied it to his main workstation and proceeded to make replicas of it to be distributed to a number of laptops that won't be connected to his network *at all*.
>
>My question is this: if the owners of these laptops periodically make CD copies of their replicas and mail them to the home office of my client and he synchronizes them with the main PC copy...and then makes copies onto CD and mails them back to the laptop owners and *they* synchronize with their replicas...would that work OK? There doesn't seem to be any other practical way for these laptop copies to by synched with the Main Office except by mailing CDs back and forth.
>
>My concern is if a laptop owner makes a CD copy of the replicated BE and mails it off, and then proceeds to enter and edit more data before he gets an up-to-date CD from the home office, would that mess up the replication scheme? I'm guessing No, it wouldn't; but I'm not sure. Of course, the documentation for replication is a monumental dud.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>Scientific Marketing
>Neenah, WI
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Fri Oct 31 13:26:10 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:26:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <012201c39fdb$92a5cee0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <002701c39fe4$d7184e00$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Ken,

Thank you for your thoughts.  I use decompile when I start getting odd
behaviors, but have had it fail with form coruptions. I saw a message
the other day on this list about the total number of controls that could
be put on and removed from forms and reports during their life after
which they wouldn't work anymore.  It seems there is a bunch of stuff
that accumulates with Access Objects through their life that can
eventually cause problems.

When we ran into this problem yesterday with the insufficient memory
thing and it turned out to be a form coruption I started wondering if
there were some basic maintenance tasks that could be done periodicly to
increase product reliability and avoid these problems, which always seem
to happen at the worst time.  Maybe the name Murphy has something to do
with it.

I read somewhere, Kaplan's site I think, that decompile has its own set
of limitations and risks so it is not the universal tool, but it has
saved my tail several times too.

Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Doug,

I would recommend decompiling your development mdb. Steps:

 1. Backup your mdb
 2. Decompile. To do this, run Access with the /decompile switch:
      MSACCESS.EXE your.mdb  /decompile
 3. Compact and Repair.
 4. Compile your VBA project.
 5. Make your mde and deploy

I always decompile:

 * Before deploying updates
 * When I get the 'Bad DLL calling convention' error
 * Anytime I sense any weirdness at all with VBA's behavior

I will usually decompile:

 * After extensive code revisions
 * After adding/removing objects containing code

Decompile has fixed a long list of corruption issues for me. I've relied
on it for over a year now, and I trust it, at least in A2K. It is on my
list of 'best-practice' methods for maintaining trouble-free code.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug








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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 14:10:49 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:10:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <002701c39fe4$d7184e00$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

And I have found decompile to be much more reliable than everybody makes it
out to be.  OTOH, I had it completely hose a db one time.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Ken,

Thank you for your thoughts.  I use decompile when I start getting odd
behaviors, but have had it fail with form coruptions. I saw a message
the other day on this list about the total number of controls that could
be put on and removed from forms and reports during their life after
which they wouldn't work anymore.  It seems there is a bunch of stuff
that accumulates with Access Objects through their life that can
eventually cause problems.

When we ran into this problem yesterday with the insufficient memory
thing and it turned out to be a form coruption I started wondering if
there were some basic maintenance tasks that could be done periodicly to
increase product reliability and avoid these problems, which always seem
to happen at the worst time.  Maybe the name Murphy has something to do
with it.

I read somewhere, Kaplan's site I think, that decompile has its own set
of limitations and risks so it is not the universal tool, but it has
saved my tail several times too.

Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Doug,

I would recommend decompiling your development mdb. Steps:

 1. Backup your mdb
 2. Decompile. To do this, run Access with the /decompile switch:
      MSACCESS.EXE your.mdb  /decompile
 3. Compact and Repair.
 4. Compile your VBA project.
 5. Make your mde and deploy

I always decompile:

 * Before deploying updates
 * When I get the 'Bad DLL calling convention' error
 * Anytime I sense any weirdness at all with VBA's behavior

I will usually decompile:

 * After extensive code revisions
 * After adding/removing objects containing code

Decompile has fixed a long list of corruption issues for me. I've relied
on it for over a year now, and I trust it, at least in A2K. It is on my
list of 'best-practice' methods for maintaining trouble-free code.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug








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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 31 15:12:58 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:12:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227479@main2.marlow.com>

No.  A switch and a router are two separate functions.  Yes, you can have a
device that is both, but it's like saying that a can opener is halfway
between a knife and a tweezers.  You can have all three on a swiss army
knife, but their purposes are different.

A hub connects computers together on a LAN/subnet.  A switch is most closely
related to a hub, because it's a 'smart' hub.  Hubs don't think, they just
connect, which puts more work on your network.  A switch builds NAT tables,
which allows it to more efficiently direct network traffic.

A router on the other hand, takes information from one LAN/subnet, to
another.  When you look at your TCP/IP settings, there is nothing in there
about what switches you are connected too (though some settings do effect
the switches...such as fastconnect, etc.).  However, you do have a router
setting in there.  It's the Gateway property.  The gateway is the address
your machine sends packets too that aren't on your local subnet.  So, if you
are on a LAN, with addresses of 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255, and you
are trying to send information to 192.168.1.5, the packets are sent
immediately to the gateway address.  The gateway is a router.  It knows what
IP's are on the subnets/LANs that it connects.  If you tell it you want
192.168.1.5, and it doesn't see that address on the other 'side', it passes
it to the next router down the line.

The best comparison I can come up with, is something with fluid systems.  If
you have two fluid systems, of different pressures/vacuums, you can connect
the two with a loop seal.  A loop seal is a vertical loop of pipe, that is
designed to be tall enough to allow the weight of the fluid to be pulled by
gravity, maintaining the pressure difference between two systems.  A switch
and hub would be all of the piping on either system.  The router would be
that loop seal, because it connects the two systems without letting either
affect the other.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


"but it's as close as I could think of without getting too technical."

Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like halfway between a hub and
a router?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> things.
>
> A router does just that.  It routes network traffic.
>
> A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
>
> Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> ones can perform both functions.This isn't an exact
> definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> without getting too technical.
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price
> > and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus
> > if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that
> > are
> > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent
> > with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however
> > daisy
> > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover
> > or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining
> > two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two
> > ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use
> > the
> > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down
> > the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically
> > use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> > the
> > > > ports on your router to
> > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network
> > it
> > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> > kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at
> > the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> > laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an
> > ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off
> > NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a
> > 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> > card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> > regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11),
> > played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.
> > Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> > (no
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 15:24:20 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:24:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Replication by CD copy
Message-ID: <20031031152420.663784128.serbach@new.rr.com>

Marty,

Thank you very much. I hadn't had much luck with the usual Microsoft sources for replication info. I will check Trigeminal right away.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Fri Oct 31 15:28:50 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:28:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E2C@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

Hi All,

I sent this the other day but it doesn't seem to have shown up, so if you get this more than once I apologise.

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz

From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Oct 31 16:02:35 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:02:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code
In-Reply-To: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E2C@bcmsg010.corp.ads>
Message-ID: <001001c39ffa$b15369a0$7001a8c0@COA3>

It did show up, I even answered, LOL...

>I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Liz,
If all you need is a count, try:

lngCount=Dcount("primary_key_field","qry_something") 
If lngCount > 0 then ' you have rows

There's even an optional where clause available as the third parameter
for the function, so you can count how many in the query/table meet a
certain criteria.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:29 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I sent this the other day but it doesn't seem to have shown up, so if
you get this more than once I apologise.

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and
store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the
user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows
or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Fri Oct 31 16:17:21 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:17:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E2D@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

Thanks very much, I'll give that a try.

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: October 31, 2003 2:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code


It did show up, I even answered, LOL...

>I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Liz,
If all you need is a count, try:

lngCount=Dcount("primary_key_field","qry_something") 
If lngCount > 0 then ' you have rows

There's even an optional where clause available as the third parameter
for the function, so you can count how many in the query/table meet a
certain criteria.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:29 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I sent this the other day but it doesn't seem to have shown up, so if
you get this more than once I apologise.

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and
store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the
user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows
or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Thu Oct 30 16:35:17 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:35:17 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
	<5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print>


 
> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:
> 
> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
> 
> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?

Gustav..

I use rtf in one of my projects in the way you describe and although my method is very clunky .... it works and has been for some years now .....If you discover a cleaner/less clunky way I for one would be very interested in hearing about it 

My project is still using A97 and the biggest problem I found was the fact that the RTFocx will not bind directly to a table field or query so I had to use the control unbound and feed it from an rtf file on the hard drive .....whether this has changed in A2000 or A2002 I dont know   

Hmm...the pasted text below (looks crap in my email client) is produced by the function below it ....the result is saved as an rtf text file and then fed to the rtf OCX at runtime. 

Setting it up is failrly simple ....simply set up a document the way you would like to see it in wordpad (or any rtf editor) and then nip the rtf codes from the raw rext and wrap those around a variable in the function. the result of the rtf is below and then below that is the rtf code itself. Take RTFCODESTART from the start and then save as an rtf document to open in wordpad or similar. The last line (you will see it as 4) is a font I have built with the rating symbols we use and 4 happens to correspond to "M"rating (mature audience). 

I wrote this very early in my (ahem!) development and I think if I was to write it now I would use case statements instead of if then else's and also store the rtf codes in a table. Then I would use a find replace function so that I could vary the text produced (similar to the way early word processors used to work to acheive bold text etc with tags) eg <@BOLD@>I want this to be bold<@/BOLD@> 

I seem to remember you and I discussing this a few years ago Gustav.....
Hope it helps 

Regards

Tom Keatley 

RTF DISPLAYED (if you have your client set to plain text you wont see it)=================================================
About This Movie

Actors...

Jim Carrey, Justin Cooper, Maura Tierney, Jennifer Tilly

Producer ..

Brian Grazer

Director ..

Tom Shadyac

Writer ..

Paul Guay, Stephen Mazur

Editor ..

Don Zimmerman

Running Time ..

Approx 87 Mins

Production Year ..

1997


4

RAW RTF CODE============================================================

RTFCODESTART{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\froman Arial Rounded MT Bold;}{\f1\froman Arial;}{\f2\froman MOVIE Ratings;}{\f3\froman Times New Roman;}}
{\colortbl ;\red255\green0\blue128;\red0\green0\blue255;}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\ri150\cf1\ul\b\f0\fs22 About This Movie\cf0\ulnone\b0\fs18 
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2 Actors...\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Jim Carrey, Justin Cooper, Maura Tierney, Jennifer Tilly
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Producer ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Brian Grazer
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Director ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Tom Shadyac
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Writer ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Paul Guay, Stephen Mazur
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Editor ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Don Zimmerman
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Running Time ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Approx 87 Mins
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Production Year ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 1997
\par \cf2\f0\fs18     \cf0\fs24 
\par \f2\fs72 4\f3\fs36 
\par }

FUNCTION==========================================

Function xstory(Tit, stry, act, time, rat, prod, dirx, spce, prco, wrt, edt, tht As Variant)
Dim tit2 As String, stry2 As String, time2 As String, act2 As String, rat2 As String, prod2 As String, dir2 As String, spc2 As String, prco2 As String, wrt2 As String, edt2 As String, tht2 As String
Dim lin1 As String
Dim Fac1 As String
Dim Fac2 As String
Dim Fac3 As String
Dim Fac4 As String
Dim linend1 As String


Fac1 = "\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\plain\f5\fs18\cf2 "
Fac2 = "\plain\f5\fs24" & vbCrLf
Fac3 = "\par \pard\ri150\plain\f4\fs16 "
Fac4 = "" & vbCrLf

lin1 = "{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deftab720{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss MS Sans Serif;}{\f1\fdecor\fcharset2 Symbol;}{\f2\froman MOVIE Ratings;}{\f3\froman Times New Roman;}{\f4\froman Arial;}{\f5\froman Arial Rounded MT Bold;}{\f6\froman Times New Roman;}}" & vbNewLine _
& "{\colortbl\red0\green0\blue0;\red255\green0\blue128;\red0\green0\blue255;}" & vbNewLine _
& "\deflang1033\pard\ri150\plain\f5\fs22\cf1\b\ul About This Movie\plain\f5\fs18" & vbNewLine


linend1 = "\par \plain\f5\fs18\cf2     \plain\f5\fs24" & "\par \plain\f2\fs72 " & rat & "\plain\f6\fs36" & vbNewLine & "\par }"

If Nz(act, "") = "" Then
Else
act2 = "\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\plain\f5\fs18\cf2 Actors...\plain\f5\fs24" & vbCrLf & "\par \pard\ri150\plain\f4\fs16 " & act & vbNewLine
End If

If Nz(time, "") = "" Then
Else
time2 = Fac1 & "Running Time .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & time & Fac4 & vbCrLf  '\par \plain\f4\fs16 " & time & "\plain\f4\fs24" & vbcrlf
End If

If Nz(prod, "") = "" Then
Else
prod2 = Fac1 & "Producer .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & prod & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(dirx, "") = "" Then
Else
dir2 = Fac1 & "Director .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & dirx & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(spce, "") = "" Then
Else
spc2 = Fac1 & "Special Effects .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & spce & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(prco, "") = "" Then
Else
prco2 = Fac1 & "Production .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & prco & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(wrt, "") = "" Then
Else
wrt2 = Fac1 & "Writer .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & wrt & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(edt, "") = "" Then
Else
edt2 = Fac1 & "Editor .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & edt & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(tht, "") = "" Then
Else
tht2 = Fac1 & "Production Year .." & Fac2 & Fac3 & tht & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

xstory = lin1 & act2 & prod2 & dir2 & spc2 & prco2 & wrt2 & edt2 & time2 & tht2 & linend1
End Function

From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Oct 31 16:56:15 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:56:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems
Message-ID: <3FA2E88F.10808@verizon.net>

I posted this on the OT list, but I'm now posting it here because I 
really want to make use of this particular topic and how it relates in 
our applications.

<snip>
BG:You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems. There are 
things we're doing that are making code closer to perfect, in terms of 
tools and security audits and things like that. But there are two other 
techniques: one is called firewalling and the other is called keeping 
the software up to date.
http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=53897

<snip>


In the company I work for, we are gearing up to deliver a full blown 
Upgrade to our current Department System.  It is currently in Access 97 
and we've already been handeling the growing pains w/ normalizing the 
data and upsizing it to Sql Server 2000.  The 2nd part is a little more 
critical because it deals w/ Security and because eventually all this 
will auto-synchronize as a distributed application, but I digress.

A common Security Topology follows this type of table format

Users (1-many) UserGroups (many-1) Groups

But what if the database needed to handel security for multiple 
applications. Would it then be more Along the lines of

Users (1-many) UserApp (many-1) Apps (1-many) Groups

The reason I ask, is because already I'm receiving a list of possible 
"GROUP/Role" names of what each application will use.  Commonalities are 
ADMIN and Clerk or Guest. 




-- 
-Francisco



From tomk at multiline.com.au  Thu Oct 30 17:08:47 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:08:47 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Rename labels and bind textboxes programmatically
References: <20031031125749.7403.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c39f3a$c60c72d0$0300a8c0@print>

> I need to create a lot of forms. All with the same
> layout.
> Top of the page has a listbox (lstHeader) that shows
> all fields/records from a table.
> Bottom of the page has 11-54 textboxes (the number of
> textboxes equals the number of columns in the textbox)

If I understand what you need correctly .....

If each of these forms are to always open to the same recordsource you could
set one form up, copy it and use something like Rick Fishers "find and
replace"to rename your fields/recordsource to what you need in each form.

If you set up ONE form with all your controls you could have an option group
of toggle buttons and a case statement....

eg....

Private Sub toggle_Click()

select case toggle

case 1
lstHeader.RowSource = "tblTest"
'the rest of your code
'etc etc etc

case 2

lstHeader.RowSource = "tblTest02"
'the rest of your code
'etc etc etc

case 3

lstHeader.RowSource = "tblTest03"
'the rest of your code
'etc etc etc

end select

end sub

hope it helps

Tom Keatley



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 18:53:01 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:53:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222746C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <067401c3a012$808d8680$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
is
> used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
it
> can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
another.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > internet to "call in"
> > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > ports on your router to
> > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > sometimes takes a few
> > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > clear idea why) I have
> > > a
> > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > thing up so that others
> > > can't
> > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > anything since I don't really
> > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 18:54:34 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:54:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031031182934.87628.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <067c01c3a012$b7f77810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on IP address but can't
generate an IP address.  Yes?

Rocky


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> It is sort of half-way, but not really.
>
> Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> switches, on their most basic level perform the same
> function.  They distribute network traffic.  But HOW
> they distribute that traffic is fundimentally
> different.
>
> Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4
> switches, they cannot perform routing functions.  They
> just hand packets off from point A to point B.  Think
> of them as sort of a postman.  They have an address
> for each device on the network and they hand off each
> piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> using this sama analagy would deliver the same piece
> of mail to every house and the one that it belonged to
> would be the one that actually reads it.
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > getting too technical."
> >
> > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like
> > halfway between a hub and
> > a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> > > things.
> > >
> > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > traffic.
> > >
> > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > >
> > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > exact
> > > definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> > > without getting too technical.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > > > device
> > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > > > removing
> > > > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in
> > price
> > > > and
> > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.
> > Thus
> > > > if
> > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > that
> > > > are
> > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch,
> > each
> > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > inherent
> > > > with
> > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to
> > all
> > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > destination
> > > > > port.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am
> > however
> > > > daisy
> > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > > > The
> > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > crossover
> > > > or
> > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > > > server
> > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > > > also
> > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > Chaining
> > > > two 4
> > > > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > > > panacea however since you now end up using
> > two
> > > > ports
> > > > > > just for the daisy
> > > > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I
> > also
> > > > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > > > get my laptop in through that and could also
> > get
> > > > > > other computers in if
> > > > > > needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to
> > use
> > > > the
> > > > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable
> > down
> > > > the
> > > > > > wall from the living room
> > > > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > > > basement).  I
> > > > > > understand that the
> > > > > > model II has USB ports that can
> > automatically
> > > > use
> > > > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > > > connect to the internet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off
> > one of
> > > > the
> > > > > > ports on your router to
> > > > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > > > devices
> > > > > > from one router this
> > > > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've also found that when creating a new
> > network
> > > > it
> > > > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > > > 'see'
> > > > > > each other - especially on
> > > > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around
> > frustrated
> > > > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > > > work and then have the same experience you
> > had -
> > > > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > > > suddenly the other machines are in my
> > network
> > > > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John Colby"
> > <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless
> > router a
> > > > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > > > needed
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Thu Oct 30 19:45:54 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:54 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT...Test a web orderform for me ......please
References: <20031031125749.7403.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00be01c39f3a$c60c72d0$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <003401c39f50$b9c80780$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all....

I am using Access to produce a WEB Orderform with a fair amount of
Javascript embedded and need to test how it performs in the "real world"
...if any (or all of you) have a moment could you check out same? and let me
know how it worked for you?

If you have problems if you could let me know the browser (and version) you
were using so I can compensate in the javascript.

I promise NOT to charge you for any goods you order (well not much
anyway<grin>)

http://www.piedpiper.com.au/promo2/test.htm

What I am interested in are...

1. the cookies (address at end) working?

2. Navigation through the quantity fields should work by pressing <ENTER>

3.There are two SELECT boxes for EXTRATITLES which should work by selecting
either title then quantity or quantity then title and this should drop
quantity and title to the list box below

4. There is a progress bar once the order has been entered which should work

5. Obviously that the formatting looks right

There is a WEIRD little problem I am having with it I concatenate all the
Javascipt HTML and data together and then save to a HTM file on the drive
(via code)...I then find that the Javascript WONT work BUT the simple act of
opening then saving the file with notepad makes it all work.....strange
.....can anyone shed any light on this?

Your assistance (as always) would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley



From jmhla at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 31 21:08:25 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:08:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Comdex Las Vegas
Message-ID: <001601c3a025$6dee3e30$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

Anyone on the list going?
 
Maybe we can hook up?
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 

From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Fri Oct 31 17:13:52 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:13:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
Thank you.


From tomk at multiline.com.au  Fri Oct 31 17:45:06 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:45:06 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
	<5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
	<004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print> <5133737291.20031101192740@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000701c3a009$1cf628b0$0300a8c0@print>

Gustav....

My apologies .... I should have stated my use for the RTF OCX is in REPORTS
....there is no problem binding to a field on a form but this changes in
reports and the control gives an error when you try to use it bound. My
workaround (at least the workaround someone on this list helped me with) was
to feed it from a text file. I have however downloaded the control you
suggested and when I re-do the function in my project I will give it a try.

REgards

Tom Keatley




> Hi Tom
>
> Thanks Tom, I can follow your approach. However, I do have the ocx
> running and bound to a memo field, thus I have the RTF memos build
> (and users type them in). My only task is to concatenate these micro
> documents into one RTF document.
>
> The ocx should happily work with Access 97. If not, you may have it
> inproperly registered.
>
> Here is a utility I found many years ago; it is still on-line:
>
>   http://www.sareleku.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=43
>
> It will install the RichText ocx so you can work with even without the
> Access Developer edition which is quite handy if you ever need to do
> some work on-site at a client.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:
> >>
> >> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> >> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> >> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> >> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?
>
> > Gustav..
>
> > I use rtf in one of my projects in the way you describe and although my
method is very clunky .... it works and has been for some years now .....If
you discover a cleaner/less clunky way I for one
> > would be very interested in hearing about it
>
> > My project is still using A97 and the biggest problem I found was the
fact that the RTFocx will not bind directly to a table field or query so I
had to use the control unbound and feed it from an
> > rtf file on the hard drive .....whether this has changed in A2000 or
A2002 I dont know
>
> > Hmm...the pasted text below (looks crap in my email client) is produced
by the function below it ....the result is saved as an rtf text file and
then fed to the rtf OCX at runtime.
>
> > Setting it up is failrly simple ....simply set up a document the way you
would like to see it in wordpad (or any rtf editor) and then nip the rtf
codes from the raw rext and wrap those around a
> > variable in the function. the result of the rtf is below and then below
that is the rtf code itself. Take RTFCODESTART from the start and then save
as an rtf document to open in wordpad or similar.
> > The last line (you will see it as 4) is a font I have built with the
rating symbols we use and 4 happens to correspond to "M"rating (mature
audience).
>
> > I wrote this very early in my (ahem!) development and I think if I was
to write it now I would use case statements instead of if then else's and
also store the rtf codes in a table. Then I would
> > use a find replace function so that I could vary the text produced
(similar to the way early word processors used to work to acheive bold text
etc with tags) eg <@BOLD@>I want this to be
> > bold<@/BOLD@>
>
> > I seem to remember you and I discussing this a few years ago Gustav.....
> > Hope it helps
>
> > Regards
>
> > Tom Keatley
>
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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Fri Oct 31 18:08:50 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:08:50 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] MICROSOFT Activation policy
References: 	<E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com><5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>
	<1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk><004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print>
	<5133737291.20031101192740@cactus.dk> <000701c3a009$1cf628b0$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <002501c3a00c$53fae870$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all...

I bought Office 2002 Developers Edition a couple of years ago which of
course contained MS Activation and since that time I must have activated it
3 or 4 times on different computers (I hasten to add that this was when I
was UPDATING hardware and I only use the software on a single computer)

Although I havent as yet had any problems with activation or my request
being rejected it occurs to me that this at some point will happen and I
wondered what others experience might be.

Does MS have a number of activations before one is rejected? And what are
the options if this happens?

Regards

Tom Keatley


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct  1 00:31:10 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:31:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] This is weird - what's the cause?
In-Reply-To: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIIEFKHBAB.kathryn@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <3F7AF33E.14003.19E6DAF@localhost>

On 30 Sep 2003 at 20:33, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> The A2K race database is zipped and available at:
> http://ac100.com/finish/2003Ac100.zip
> It's been brought to my attention that runner with bib #69 doesn't show up on either Most Current Times (Bib Order) or on Most Current Times (Who's Ahead). Both of those use qryProgressReport which is based on calculations from some of the others.
>  
> qryRunnerTimes1A and qryRunnerTimes2 and qryRunnerTimes2A and qryRunnerTimes3 all show runner with bib 69, but qryProgressReport dumps that bib number. I never noticed it myself, but someone tracking the runner called it to my attention when asking why he wasn't on website.
> 
> So, what causes him to get dumped from the list?
> 

Record 16747 in tblRunnersTimes has no RT-IDCP.
That is the linking record for Runner 69 through  qryRunner2A.
You have an inner join on RT-IDCP and tblCheckpoint in 
qryProgressReport.








  
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 01:17:13 2003
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 01:17:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] This is weird - what's the cause?
References: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIIEFKHBAB.kathryn@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c387e3$a77710f0$15ba5041@hive>

Kathryn,

It might not the answer to why its not populated but its the cause: #69 is
missing because of of a nonmatch in the join for LINK. Look at row 16747 in
tblRunnerTimes, which is missing an entry in RT-IDCP. It's the only one like
that in the table, and when its populated 69 appears in qryProgressReport.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "dbAdvisors (AccessD)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: [AccessD] This is weird - what's the cause?


> The A2K race database is zipped and available at:
> http://ac100.com/finish/2003Ac100.zip
> It's been brought to my attention that runner with bib #69 doesn't show up
on either Most Current Times (Bib Order) or on Most Current Times (Who's
Ahead). Both of those use qryProgressReport which is based on calculations
from some of the others.
>
> qryRunnerTimes1A and qryRunnerTimes2 and qryRunnerTimes2A and
qryRunnerTimes3 all show runner with bib 69, but qryProgressReport dumps
that bib number. I never noticed it myself, but someone tracking the runner
called it to my attention when asking why he wasn't on website.
>
> So, what causes him to get dumped from the list?
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  1 01:34:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:34:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Info Interesting use of InfoPath
References: <3F7AF33E.14003.19E6DAF@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F7A7578.9000007@shaw.ca>

If you were wondering about uses for InfoPath.
Rather than use Access to link to a webservice. This method with 
InfoPath allows a user to quickly link to a webservice via XML with no 
coding. The webservice could be a ASP.Net hook to an old Cobol legacy 
app to edit or add data..
Dynamically Data-bind in InfoPath By Thiru Thangarathinam
http://www.developer.com/net/article.php/3082431


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 03:10:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:10:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
In-Reply-To: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFICLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
Message-ID: <00da01c387f3$8b473c10$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Talk of walking away is fine if you have someone else to walk to. If you
have a choice, say, of this client or going out of business then you
have to carry on.

We had a client who wanted to do this and we managed to talk them out of
the penalty clause thing. Don't try to impose one on them (they won't
agree) but instead explain that it's not in THEIR best interest. It goes
like this:

With a penalty clause in place you will be forced to turn down ALL
change requests. Financially you will HAVE to do what is in the spec
(which they will have to agree and sign up for before the clock starts
ticking of course) and not a jot more. Add this field? No, sorry. Knock
up an extra report? No chance. Say that while normally there would be
some latitude to be flexible in this case you won't be able to. You will
bring it in on-time, sure, and they'll be pleased about that, but will
they get just what they want? Your experience (and everyone else's)
shows that when a customer sees a system, or just a screen, the first
thing he wants to do is ask for this or that to change. With financial
penalties in the frame this will not be an option. And spell that out in
the contract. And if something works as per spec but is not what they
imagined - tough.

It might scare them off the idea. It did ours.

If it doesn't work then the other question is, of course, can you do it
in the time? Do you have people working on it who will bust a gut to
make sure you're inside the time limit?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hadyn Morgan
> Sent: 01 October 2003 05:39
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec. 
>  We have spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost.  
> It is based on a web application that was built and paid for 
> on an hourly basis, because again they did not want to pay 
> for a spec.  ~40% of the cost of it could have been avoided 
> on the stuff they requested then changed their minds about.
> 
> They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to 
> date), and I would like to keep them as a client.  Then again 
> I don't want to be royally screwed either :(
> 
> Hadyn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Hawkins
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 
> 1999 be damned.
> 
> IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses 
> before defining what it is the developer is supposed to be 
> developing is a client looking to screw a developer and get 
> something for nothing. This is a HUGE red flag.
> 
> -Christopher-
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: Developer at ultradnt.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400
> 
> >Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk 
> away from a
> >client like this?
> >
> >BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
> >contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I 
> can't get 
> >out of it, a little networking)
> >
> >Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
> >
> >As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in 
> writing ... I 
> >have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old 
> system's data
> >because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
> >and
> >they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
> >...
> >This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
> >keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
> >... As
> >long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though,
> >since
> >they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
> >stops"
> >when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
> >whatever.
> >Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
> >you
> >could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
> >the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
> >this
> >contract", for example).
> >
> >Hth,
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hadyn Morgan
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
> >To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> >
> >
> >When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that 
> has said 
> >'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the 
> quote, and
> >now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
> >deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
> >project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
> >late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
> >have
> >suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
> >allowed
> >to charge them for the extra time.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Kind regards
> >Hadyn
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  1 03:04:23 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:04:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
In-Reply-To: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
References: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>

Hi Hadyn

This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
its own has some value though not being an agreement.

I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as
these are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or
the client carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.

Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3%
or 8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the
specs (do include a list of these in the final agreement) should
release this penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling
errors in menu items and the like. 

Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
what is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the
same amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of,
say, one week per approval after which your app will be regarded as
approved whether the client has signed or not.

/gustav


> When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 'Yes'
> to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and now wants
> to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't deliver on time
> to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of project) they reduce total
> payment by 8% for each full week we are late).  I have managed to get them
> to exclude Acts of God etc, and have suggested that if they are to blame for
> the delay we should be allowed to charge them for the extra time.

> Any thoughts?

> Kind regards
> Hadyn


From sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct  1 04:39:21 2003
From: sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:39:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
	<1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002f01c387ff$e5291170$6501a8c0@user>

Great advice from Gustav and Andy - with this client I think the spec is going to be an absolute must.....without it, how will you agree that the system (as commissioned) has been delivered? It's going to be as much for you as them - they could keep coming back to you otherwise and that could prove very costly if you have a penalty clause. (and 8% sounds way too high.....)

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


  Hi Hadyn

  This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
  its own has some value though not being an agreement.

  I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as
  these are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or
  the client carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.

  Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
  avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
  about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3%
  or 8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the
  specs (do include a list of these in the final agreement) should
  release this penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling
  errors in menu items and the like. 

  Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
  approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
  the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
  what is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the
  same amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of,
  say, one week per approval after which your app will be regarded as
  approved whether the client has signed or not.

  /gustav


  > When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 'Yes'
  > to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and now wants
  > to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't deliver on time
  > to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of project) they reduce total
  > payment by 8% for each full week we are late).  I have managed to get them
  > to exclude Acts of God etc, and have suggested that if they are to blame for
  > the delay we should be allowed to charge them for the extra time.

  > Any thoughts?

  > Kind regards
  > Hadyn

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From sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct  1 04:50:27 2003
From: sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:50:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: 	<DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz><1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>
	<002f01c387ff$e5291170$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <001e01c38801$71cdbf80$6501a8c0@user>

Haydn, and if the time spent in coming up with a proper spec is going to make the whole thing unprofitable for you, I would at least consider doing:

a) - Lists of fields to be stored    
b) - Sample screen designs (even if it's just in pen - but better if mocked up electronically)
c) - Sample report designs.

d) Make sure that the criteria and sorts / filters for reports are mentioned. (eg. this report will be able to be run for a) one client or b) all clients, and will be sorted (ascending) by client surname.

e) Same for forms if applicable and if filters are to be used, explain how they will work and how they can be reset etc.

f) Any processing (eg. input or output processes / links to external systems / files) should be detailed if applic.

Once the client sees this and are asked to sign off the designs then they will have a very good idea of their commitment to you and may even ask for a more detailed spec.

HTH
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kath Pelletti 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


  Great advice from Gustav and Andy - with this client I think the spec is going to be an absolute must.....without it, how will you agree that the system (as commissioned) has been delivered? It's going to be as much for you as them - they could keep coming back to you otherwise and that could prove very costly if you have a penalty clause. (and 8% sounds way too high.....)

  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gustav Brock 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


    Hi Hadyn

    This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
    its own has some value though not being an agreement.

    I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as
    these are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or
    the client carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.

    Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
    avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
    about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3%
    or 8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the
    specs (do include a list of these in the final agreement) should
    release this penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling
    errors in menu items and the like. 

    Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
    approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
    the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
    what is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the
    same amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of,
    say, one week per approval after which your app will be regarded as
    approved whether the client has signed or not.

    /gustav


    > When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 'Yes'
    > to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and now wants
    > to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't deliver on time
    > to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of project) they reduce total
    > payment by 8% for each full week we are late).  I have managed to get them
    > to exclude Acts of God etc, and have suggested that if they are to blame for
    > the delay we should be allowed to charge them for the extra time.

    > Any thoughts?

    > Kind regards
    > Hadyn

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From sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct  1 04:54:16 2003
From: sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:54:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
Message-ID: <003c01c38801$f9cef2a0$6501a8c0@user>

I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com addressed to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD] Project Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as spam.

Is everyone getting this?


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  1 04:58:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:58:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Pull Most Recent
In-Reply-To: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FD20@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
References:  <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FD20@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <8411758037.20031001115831@cactus.dk>

Hi Gowey

On a more serious note, here is a function taking advantage of the
nice ParamArray feature. It can be used for any (reasonable) amount
(including zero) input values:

<code>

Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date

' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
' array avarDates().
' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
'
' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Return value for an empty array.
  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
  
  Dim varDate     As Variant
  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
    
  For Each varDate In avarDates()
    If IsDate(varDate) Then
      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
        varDate = CDate(varDate)
      End If
      If varDate > varDateMax Then
        varDateMax = varDate
      End If
    End If
  Next
  
  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
  End If
  
  DateMax = varDateMax
  
End Function

</code>

For your display textbox, use

  =DateMax(Me!txtBox1, Me!txtBox2, ... , Me!txtBox6)
  
/gustav


>         This is probably an easy one but I am stumped...
         
>         I have 6 fields within my table that have dates in them, how can
> I pull and display on a form which field has the most recent date in it?


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 05:12:36 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:12:36 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C648F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

not me

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 10:54
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam


I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>  addressed to
postman at afsweb.com <mailto:postman at afsweb.com>   re (Archive Copy) Re:
[AccessD] Project Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as
spam.
 
Is everyone getting this?
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au <mailto:sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au> 

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Oct  1 05:26:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:26:06 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29620@nnse14.nns.com>

Robert,

Not sure exactly what you were looking for.  A search on MSDN turned up this
(watch for wrap):

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaxctrl/ht
ml/msdn_firstax.asp

...but the title reads "Microsoft(r) Internet Explorer WebControls are not
currently supported.".


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


Hoooowdy All,

A2K

Where might I find information about properties and such

Are there any examples around?

Thanks.....
Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 05:31:11 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:31:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C648F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00f701c38807$222a4510$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Nor me. Which of us have they fingered as a spammer? I plead not guilty
m'lud.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: 01 October 2003 11:13
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Messages re spam


not me

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 10:54
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam


I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
addressed to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD] Project
Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as spam.
 
Is everyone getting this?
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 06:04:39 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:04:39 +0100 
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6494@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Forwarded message due to auto-discard. I don't know why it would have been
discarded...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Robert at servicexp.com] 
Sent: 01 October 2003 11:22
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


Drew, 
 The last copy I have is from April 2001, and I can't seem to find anything
on it in this version. However I'm not exactly sure what key words to use.. 
 
Any ideas!!
 
Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com> 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


Do you have the MSDN?  It's explained in there.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


Hoooowdy All,
 
A2K
 
Where might I find information about properties and such
 
Are there any examples around?
 
Thanks.....
Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com> 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct  1 06:46:05 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:46:05 +1000
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6494@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F7B4B1D.11883.2F5AEB8@localhost>

> 
> Drew, 
>  The last copy I have is from April 2001, and I can't seem to find anything
> on it in this version. However I'm not exactly sure what key words to use.. 
>  
> Any ideas!!
>  
> Robert Gracie
> www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com> 
>  

Try searching on "webbrowser" 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 06:53:39 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:53:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227271@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <006801c38813$84098b40$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Well, right now, I just don't have any place to put another screen, even a
flat one -- without seriously reworking my office layout. I have a corner
desk and I keep books and files and etc. on either side of me. It would be a
real nuisance for no more than I would use it. But, I admit, it is an
intriguing idea. I want another desk just like this one put beside it -- and
then, it might be possible.

Oh Bill................ ;)

Susan H.


> Buy another video card, and a flat screen.  <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] form on top question
>
>
> Sounds like an interesting solution, but would require a major overhaul
for
> me here -- my office just isn't set up that way. I wouldn't know how to
> implement it anyway -- but sounds cool. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > I use two monitors.
> > One for the form - one for the code.  I can then effectively change the
> code
> > while the form is open.  I can also copy/cut and paste from two separate
> > documents.  Web page, Word, Excel or even two code windows from Access.
> >
>
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 06:55:09 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:55:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222726C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c38813$87854480$220110ac@SUSANONE>

I'll take a look -- thank you Drew. Smells like an article to me. :)

Susan H.


> Susan, I just sent you (off list) an Access 97 database that does what you
> want.  There's a form and a module involved (don't really need the module,
> you could put all of the code on the form, just got lazy and used a module
> from the old version of the MiniCalendar).



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 06:56:45 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:56:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFICLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
Message-ID: <007001c38813$8af2a5e0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

> They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
would
> like to keep them as a client.  Then again I don't want to be royally
> screwed either :(

=========OK, then you've done business with them before and I gather this is
the first time you've had either problem -- with both the specs and the
penalty clause. Any idea what's put that bee in their bonnet?

Although I like Andy's idea -- genius. :)

Susan H.


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  1 09:12:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:12:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
In-Reply-To: <003c01c38801$f9cef2a0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEOMFBAA.john@winhaven.net>

Kathy,
A similr thing happened to me a few years ago. I was having client mail show
up with "SPAM" in the subject. It took awhile but I found out my ISP was
beginning a free(and mandatory) SPAM filtering service and had failed to
mention it to anyone! You might want to check with your ISP/Mail Server
Administrator (whichever you have).

HTH
John B.

"SPAM Filtering is an exact guess - not an exact science"
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:54 AM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam


  I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com addressed
to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD] Project Official
Startsaying that a message has been identified as spam.

  Is everyone getting this?


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 09:24:34 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:24:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <Law12-F47C4wgKuu8FZ000037a7@hotmail.com>

I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last attempt. 
None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has been 
...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can anyone 
provide me the command line for the decompile?
Thanks as always,
_D


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
Elliker

_________________________________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  1 09:12:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:12:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
In-Reply-To: <003c01c38801$f9cef2a0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEOMFBAA.john@winhaven.net>

Kathy,
A similr thing happened to me a few years ago. I was having client mail show
up with "SPAM" in the subject. It took awhile but I found out my ISP was
beginning a free(and mandatory) SPAM filtering service and had failed to
mention it to anyone! You might want to check with your ISP/Mail Server
Administrator (whichever you have).

HTH
John B.

"SPAM Filtering is an exact guess - not an exact science"
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:54 AM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam


  I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com addressed
to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD] Project Official
Startsaying that a message has been identified as spam.

  Is everyone getting this?


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Wed Oct  1 09:32:35 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:32:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48026B1DEF@NEWMAN_EXC>

It should just be the {database path} /decompile.

I use the {full path to the executable} {database path} /decompile

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K

I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last attempt. 
None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has been 
...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can anyone 
provide me the command line for the decompile?
Thanks as always,
_D


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
Elliker

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  1 10:15:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:15:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631232D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

For Access to process a command line switch like /decompile, you must
include the path to the Access executable in the shortcut.  Here's a
typical shortcut I have in my SendTo folder so it's available from the
shortcut menu:

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE" "%1"
/decompile

That allows me to specify the database to be decompiled on the fly.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K


It should just be the {database path} /decompile.

I use the {full path to the executable} {database path} /decompile

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K

I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last
attempt. 
None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has
been 
...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can
anyone 
provide me the command line for the decompile?
Thanks as always,
_D


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
Elliker

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From tomadatn at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 10:15:51 2003
From: tomadatn at bellsouth.net (Tom)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:15:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFGCLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
	<1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001f01c3882e$e6e8b770$a0cdfea9@AdamsXP1>

Just say no.  However if you can't ...

>if the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
>what is missing according to the specs

This is a big - big deal here.  Your having to go back to the specs and
rethink everything is a bummer - time waster - and a crock.

I usually ask for this each step of the way - as I stage my projects.
I define what's released and ready for them to test each step of
the way - they have 1 week to test and submit a list of problems.

I'm usually lenient on letting them add stuff until the final submission.
Then
their list becomes IT!!!! and I work through all the items.

Be sure to mark new and revised requirements as such and put on a change
order that is outside the cost and time deadline.

Document each step thoroughly and keep 3 1/2 copies at least.

Also make sure you're getting paid in stages.

After all this, they will still try to screw you.  Be afraid.  Be very
afraid.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


> Hi Hadyn
>
> This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
> its own has some value though not being an agreement.
>
> I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as
> these are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or
> the client carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.
>
> Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
> avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
> about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3%
> or 8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the
> specs (do include a list of these in the final agreement) should
> release this penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling
> errors in menu items and the like.
>
> Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
> approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
> the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly
> what is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the
> same amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of,
> say, one week per approval after which your app will be regarded as
> approved whether the client has signed or not.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said
'Yes'
> > to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and now
wants
> > to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't deliver on
time
> > to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of project) they reduce
total
> > payment by 8% for each full week we are late).  I have managed to get
them
> > to exclude Acts of God etc, and have suggested that if they are to blame
for
> > the delay we should be allowed to charge them for the extra time.
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> > Kind regards
> > Hadyn
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Oct  1 10:30:16 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:30:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F654@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Let's not forget the registry tweak that adds Compact and Decompile options on right-click of an mdb.  Available on Dev Ashish's site at http://www.mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm.  Look for Access Reg.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K


For Access to process a command line switch like /decompile, you must
include the path to the Access executable in the shortcut.  Here's a
typical shortcut I have in my SendTo folder so it's available from the
shortcut menu:

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE" "%1"
/decompile

That allows me to specify the database to be decompiled on the fly.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K


It should just be the {database path} /decompile.

I use the {full path to the executable} {database path} /decompile

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K

I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last
attempt. 
None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has
been 
...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can
anyone 
provide me the command line for the decompile?
Thanks as always,
_D


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
Elliker

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct  1 11:21:47 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:21:47 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227286@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, let me know how it goes.  Also, if you aren't using Access 97, let me
know, I'll see what works in 2000.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/1/03 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] form on top question

I'll take a look -- thank you Drew. Smells like an article to me. :)

Susan H.


> Susan, I just sent you (off list) an Access 97 database that does what
you
> want.  There's a form and a module involved (don't really need the
module,
> you could put all of the code on the form, just got lazy and used a
module
> from the old version of the MiniCalendar).


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  1 11:22:57 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:22:57 -0700
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
References: <3F7B4B1D.11883.2F5AEB8@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F7AFF61.3040800@shaw.ca>

http://www.microsoft.com/officedev/index/webbrows.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/AccessDev/Articles/SolFrm97.htm#PROGRAMMINGTHEWEBBROWSERACTIVEX
Or you should have a sample mdb with the Access install called 
solutions.mdb with webbrowser control form samples.
Unhide the database window and look for forms starting with Web if you 
go through the splash form selection it does a check for IE4.0
to install solutions if you cant find it
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/bapp2000/html/mdbdownload.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;165212


Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>>Drew, 
>> The last copy I have is from April 2001, and I can't seem to find anything
>>on it in this version. However I'm not exactly sure what key words to use.. 
>> 
>>Any ideas!!
>> 
>>Robert Gracie
>>www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com> 
>> 
>>    
>>
>
>Try searching on "webbrowser" 
>  
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 13:37:18 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:37:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <00e601c3884b$0b1cd6f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct  1 14:24:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:24:54 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222728E@main2.marlow.com>

Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If
MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then
have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Dear List:
 
I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to
run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying
"Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's
something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes
up.
 
What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key -
which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying
"Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to
continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Wed Oct  1 17:29:45 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:29:45 -0400
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....
In-Reply-To: <3F7AFF61.3040800@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEAADEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>



A big thanks to everyone!!

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: FW: [AccessD] Web Control Properties ect....


http://www.microsoft.com/officedev/index/webbrows.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/AccessDev/Articles/SolFrm97.htm#PROGRAMMINGTHEWEBBR
OWSERACTIVEX
Or you should have a sample mdb with the Access install called
solutions.mdb with webbrowser control form samples.
Unhide the database window and look for forms starting with Web if you
go through the splash form selection it does a check for IE4.0
to install solutions if you cant find it
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/bapp2000/ht
ml/mdbdownload.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;165212


Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>>Drew,
>> The last copy I have is from April 2001, and I can't seem to find
anything
>>on it in this version. However I'm not exactly sure what key words to
use..
>>
>>Any ideas!!
>>
>>Robert Gracie
>>www.servicexp.com <http://www.servicexp.com>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Try searching on "webbrowser"
>
>


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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Wed Oct  1 17:29:56 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:29:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE1@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

I have a ACC2002 db that opens many forms and queries etc. I don't believe I am anywhere near the 2048 max table references.
It's a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of it's open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs). I can happily click on a couple of the tabs and everything is fine. As soon as I click on one of the last tabs which contain 3 subforms I get the dreaded "Can't open any more databases" message.

I have read a lot of posts on this (incl. www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm) and have thoroughly checked my code to ensure that all my recordset objects are closed after use. I temporarily rectified it by closing the calling form (Form A) instead of hiding it, thus closing some of the table references. Form B works perfectly now. I only get the error if too many forms are open which have obviously opened too many table references. The drawback is that it is slow to open Form B because it is closing Form A and when I close Form B, I have to wait for it to re-open Form A again and filter to the record the user was working on before they clicked the button to take then to Form B.

My question: Is there anything else that I could do that I may not have considered? I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open at any instant (knowing that it's a split database let's double that to 160 references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of 2048. I believe it is a hardcoded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the wrong tree completely?

Cheers in advance for any assistance or advice.
David ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  1 17:38:19 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:38:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
References: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE1@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <003701c3886c$b75bfb50$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Can't open any more databasesThe one time I ran into this, I ended up redoing my form to get rid of the subforms -- never did find the culprit. I was told it could be resolved with a simple switch on the Novell server (which did seem to be the culprit) -- but IT refused. 

Susan H. 

It's a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of it's open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs). I can happily click on a couple of the tabs and everything is fine. As soon as I click on one of the last tabs which contain 3 subforms I get the dreaded "Can't open any more databases" message.

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:27:04 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:27:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
Message-ID: <BAY1-F22tDnYWPidlML00004911@hotmail.com>

msaccess.exe /decompile "c:\database_name.mdb"


>From: "Don Elliker" <delliker at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Whats thae darn command line for decompile /A2K
>Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:24:34 -0400
>
>I have about 20 versions in my command line thingie, from my last attempt. 
>None seem to work (at least I'm not getting the "your application has been 
>...something or other...to the latest version.....yada yada" - Can anyone 
>provide me the command line for the decompile?
>Thanks as always,
>_D
>
>
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them".-Don 
>Elliker
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct  1 18:30:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:30:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE1@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at
least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos,
lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran
into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on the
tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on and
unload them as the next tab is clicked on.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:30 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


  I have a ACC2002 db that opens many forms and queries etc. I don?t believe
I am anywhere near the 2048 max table references.

  It?s a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab
control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking
on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of
it?s open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and
a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs). I can happily click on a couple of
the tabs and everything is fine. As soon as I click on one of the last tabs
which contain 3 subforms I get the dreaded ?Can?t open any more databases?
message.

  I have read a lot of posts on this (incl.
www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm) and have thoroughly checked my code
to ensure that all my recordset objects are closed after use. I temporarily
rectified it by closing the calling form (Form A) instead of hiding it, thus
closing some of the table references. Form B works perfectly now. I only get
the error if too many forms are open which have obviously opened too many
table references. The drawback is that it is slow to open Form B because it
is closing Form A and when I close Form B, I have to wait for it to re-open
Form A again and filter to the record the user was working on before they
clicked the button to take then to Form B.

  My question: Is there anything else that I could do that I may not have
considered? I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open
at any instant (knowing that it?s a split database let?s double that to 160
references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table
references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of
2048. I believe it is a hardcoded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the
wrong tree completely?

  Cheers in advance for any assistance or advice.
  David ????
  Brisbane

  Australia

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 19:16:26 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:16:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222728E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <01c801c3887a$6bb7a150$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the hotkey?

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    Dear List:

    I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

    What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

    MTIA,

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software



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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  1 21:01:34 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:01:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
In-Reply-To: <003c01c38801$f9cef2a0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <3F7B4EBE.15962.1A161F8@localhost>

On 1 Oct 2003 at 19:54, Kath Pelletti wrote:

> I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> addressed to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD]
> Project Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as
> spam.
> 
> Is everyone getting this?

I'm not getting this either.

If you still have the e-mail and could forward it directly to me, 
making sure the complete set of internet headers are intact, I will 
look into it.

You can send it to carbonnb at sympatico.ca

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From demulling at centurytel.net  Wed Oct  1 21:56:56 2003
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:56:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <00e601c3884b$0b1cd6f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002901c38890$d8826c00$38c4e6cf@bedroom>

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0030.htm
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  Dear List:

  I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

  What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

  MTIA,

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 23:20:25 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:20:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <00e601c3884b$0b1cd6f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<002901c38890$d8826c00$38c4e6cf@bedroom>
Message-ID: <024f01c3889c$80cdc2f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Aha!  That works perfectly.  I  made the declare Public in a module so that it would work for all of the reports.

Many thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Demulling 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0030.htm
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    Dear List:

    I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

    What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

    MTIA,

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software



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From demulling at centurytel.net  Wed Oct  1 23:34:57 2003
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:34:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: 	<00e601c3884b$0b1cd6f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002><002901c38890$d8826c00$38c4e6cf@bedroom>
	<024f01c3889c$80cdc2f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002501c3889e$89959dc0$c9cbe6cf@bedroom>

No problem, about time I gave something back to a list that has helped me out so much.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  Aha!  That works perfectly.  I  made the declare Public in a module so that it would work for all of the reports.

  Many thanks and regards,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Demulling 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:56 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0030.htm
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


      Dear List:

      I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

      What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

      MTIA,

      Rocky Smolin
      Beach Access Software



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From sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  2 01:47:54 2003
From: sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:47:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Messages re spam
References: <3F7B4EBE.15962.1A161F8@localhost>
Message-ID: <001b01c388b1$1b8425a0$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks Bryan - it looks like it was only me - I got two but haven't kept them.

If they re-appear then I will forward one on to you.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bryan Carbonnell 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Messages re spam


  On 1 Oct 2003 at 19:54, Kath Pelletti wrote:

  > I am getting messages from accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > addressed to postman at afsweb.com  re (Archive Copy) Re: [AccessD]
  > Project Official Startsaying that a message has been identified as
  > spam.
  > 
  > Is everyone getting this?

  I'm not getting this either.

  If you still have the e-mail and could forward it directly to me, 
  making sure the complete set of internet headers are intact, I will 
  look into it.

  You can send it to carbonnb at sympatico.ca

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  2 01:56:37 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:56:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEAEFCAA.john@winhaven.net>

Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference is it going
to make if I declare this:
Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
versus this:
Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Oct  2 01:25:57 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:25:57 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Clipper
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088474@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Well, much ado about nothing - they got it sorted before I could get there.  
 
Thanks for the input all.
 
Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond 
Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 9:04 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Clipper



Thanks Andy and Arthur - probably later this week after I've been to have a look-see. 

Stephen Bond 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller [ mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2003 6:12 a.m. 
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Clipper 


I wrote two books about Clipper, and am close friends with its original 
author. I can probably tell you anything you need to know. 

Your dBASE skills will port to the extent that the authors of the system 
did not exploit Clipper-specific language. By version 5 Clipper was a 
lot different than dBASE, with OOP constructs, UDFs and a lot more. 

As for fixing the indexes, that depends on the RDD that was used. 
(Replaceable Database Driver). You can discover this by looking at the 
#include files. In most cases, you could write a simple program that 
walks through the list of tables and recreates the indexes, but that 
assumes that you know which columns were indexed. 

Let me know if you need further assistance. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[ mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:40 PM 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Clipper 


I have had a request to look at a Clipper system where (apparently) the 
indexes have become corrupted.  The prospective client is a distance 
away and I want to evaluate my chances of succeeding before I travel. 

I did a lot of dBaseIII / IV  stuff quite a few years ago, but nothing 
in Clipper.  Back in those days, I had the impression that dBase and 
Clipper were very similar, and with Clipper you could 'compile' the 
processing module(s). 

Can someone tell me how well my dBase skills will port to Clipper?  And 
if it's a 'compiled' system, is the source held separately?  And are the 
indexes in Clipper like the indexes in dBase which are easy to 
re-construct? 

Any middle-aged fellow travellers out there who can help?  Tips, Tricks, 
Traps? 

Cheers 

Stephen 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct  2 04:39:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:39:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEAEFCAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3F7C7EE6.24982.2968C7B@localhost>

On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:

> Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference is it going
> to make if I declare this:
> Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> versus this:
> Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> 

If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant 
with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.

How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the 
constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare 
all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its 
purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.







 
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  2 05:45:54 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:45:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE1@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEECMHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Can't open any more databasesDavid,

<<I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open at any
instant (knowing that it?s a split database let?s double that to 160
references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table
references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of
2048. I believe it is a hardcoded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the
wrong tree completely?>>

  Yes but "table references" is probably not what you think it is.  Not only
does it mean every open table, but it also applies to every field reference
(which is in of itself a table reference).  It can add up a lot quicker then
you think, especially with multiple subforms.

<<It?s a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab
control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking
on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of
it?s open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and
a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs).>>

  From what you describe, it certainly sounds like you are bumping into the
limit. And yes, the bad news is that the limit is internal to Access and
cannot be modified.  Your only choice is to reduce the complexity of what's
going on.

  The other then that Susan mentioned is in regards to locks.  It is
possible that you are running out of locks and therefore cannot open another
database because you can't place a user lock.  This applies only to Novell
environments.  To test this out, place both the FE and BE on the same
station and try the operation again.  If the error still occurs, then it's
not related to locking.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:30 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


  I have a ACC2002 db that opens many forms and queries etc. I don?t believe
I am anywhere near the 2048 max table references.

  It?s a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab
control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking
on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of
it?s open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and
a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs). I can happily click on a couple of
the tabs and everything is fine. As soon as I click on one of the last tabs
which contain 3 subforms I get the dreaded ?Can?t open any more databases?
message.

  I have read a lot of posts on this (incl.
www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm) and have thoroughly checked my code
to ensure that all my recordset objects are closed after use. I temporarily
rectified it by closing the calling form (Form A) instead of hiding it, thus
closing some of the table references. Form B works perfectly now. I only get
the error if too many forms are open which have obviously opened too many
table references. The drawback is that it is slow to open Form B because it
is closing Form A and when I close Form B, I have to wait for it to re-open
Form A again and filter to the record the user was working on before they
clicked the button to take then to Form B.

  My question: Is there anything else that I could do that I may not have
considered? I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open
at any instant (knowing that it?s a split database let?s double that to 160
references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table
references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of
2048. I believe it is a hardcoded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the
wrong tree completely?

  Cheers in advance for any assistance or advice.
  David ????
  Brisbane

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 08:29:40 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the person
searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.

However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out and
trigger the NotInList.

It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
combo should have been built this way to begin with.

Has anyone ever done this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  2 08:56:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:56:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <427315647.20031002155649@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Have a look in the archive for "Type Ahead in ListBox", Feb. 2002.

I guess you could use the same technique for a combobox perhaps by
setting AutoExpand to False.

Insert a DoCmd.Beep after this line:

       If .NoMatch Then

/gustav


> I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the person
> searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
> have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
> to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.

> However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
> person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
> the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
> user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
> the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
> beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
> NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out and
> trigger the NotInList.

> It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
> the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
> point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
> soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
> data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
> are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
> combo should have been built this way to begin with.

> Has anyone ever done this?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 09:06:12 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:06:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005901c388ee$56412610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

In the OnChange even of a combo box called cboAssetType I put the following
code:

    rstAssetType.FindFirst "fldAssetTypeDescription LIKE '" &
cboAssetType.Text & "*'"

    If rstAssetType.NoMatch = True Then
        MsgBox "There is No Asset Type With That Description", vbExclamation
        SendKeys Chr(8)
        cboAssetType.Dropdown
    End If

Of course, the recordset rstAssetType has already beed opened in the OnOpen
event of the form which maintains asdsset types.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:29 AM
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


> I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
person
> searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.
I
> have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after
update
> to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.
>
> However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
> person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
> the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
> user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
> the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
> beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
> NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out
and
> trigger the NotInList.
>
> It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
> the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
> point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
> soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
> data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then
we
> are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like
the
> combo should have been built this way to begin with.
>
> Has anyone ever done this?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  2 09:51:12 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:51:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <3F7C7EE6.24982.2968C7B@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEIKELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Stuart,
Thanks, I can't even remember what my issue was now, wrote that a 2:00 AM...

I ran FMS Analyzer on an app and found that none of my constants have ever
been explicitly typed - even those from procedures I obtained from other
people, ADH, etc. Maybe that was the issue: Why don't they do it why?

JB

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] explicit type
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:
>
> > Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference
> is it going
> > to make if I declare this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> > versus this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> >
>
> If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant
> with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.
>
> How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the
> constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare
> all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its
> purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.
>
>
>
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  2 10:04:03 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:04:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F66B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I've only just got into that habit in the past year or so.  A lot code in articles and books seems to be written without explicitly typing constants especially with regard to API calls.  Maybe that's got a bit to do with it (not blaming authors here just making an observation).

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Stuart,
Thanks, I can't even remember what my issue was now, wrote that a 2:00 AM...

I ran FMS Analyzer on an app and found that none of my constants have ever
been explicitly typed - even those from procedures I obtained from other
people, ADH, etc. Maybe that was the issue: Why don't they do it why?

JB

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] explicit type
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:
>
> > Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference
> is it going
> > to make if I declare this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> > versus this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> >
>
> If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant
> with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.
>
> How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the
> constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare
> all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its
> purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Support.
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 10:04:53 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:04:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <Sea2-F5FrYILoygXLsx000000ed@hotmail.com>

I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.  When 
the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and as items 
are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a progressively 
wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the method was that users 
spent over 95% of their time working on active records but occasionally 
needed to look up records that might become active, records that have been 
closed and records that have been archived all from a single lookup.  It the 
item ulimately was 'not in list', the procedure allowed for adding the item. 
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for each 
globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached locally 
and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the necessity 
resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in list 
is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the contents of 
the combo when the list fires and I always use this parameter to populate 
fields in the new record.  It would be very annoying to users accustomed to 
entering new records in a combo to have it beep 30 or 50 times at them as 
they add new records.  I believe that the purpose of the implementation of 
the event is to allow users to enter new records directly into the combo 
rather than notify them to get out, yet still use the combo as a record 
locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that 
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as 
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type' record 
checking routine to search for likely matches and for the ultimate not in 
list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from which to choose 
before permitting the addition of the record.  None of my data entry forms 
have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add new records via combo 
boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that those who argue that 
misspellings and the ease of adding new records in this fashion makes for 
the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it is just as easy for a 
person to punch the new record button on a data entry form and never see 
whether the record had been previously entered.  Also, the use of a single 
record table flag to indicate that records have been edited or added ensures 
that if the possiblity exists of multiple users getting the same data 
concurrently and each adding the same record since there combo was last 
filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are 
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is 
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the 
>person
>searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
>have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
>to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
>person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
>the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
>user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
>the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
>beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
>NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out 
>and
>trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
>the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
>point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
>soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
>data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
>are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
>combo should have been built this way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 10:13:42 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:13:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEIFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ok, my solution:

Where cboperson is a combo box, with AutoExpand and LimitToList set true, of
a list of people in the database.  tfrmPeople is a tabbed form of people in
the database, and frmPAIntake is a form for entering new people in the
database.

Basically the combo change event checks the selected length.  As you type in
the combo, if a match is being found there is selected text after the
cursor.  If you reach a point where the data entered no longer matches
anything in the list, there is no selected length so pop up a message box
asking if they want to open an IDE form.  If they find the person desired
they just hit enter or tab and AfterUpdate fires, causing the tab form to
open, with a where clause that finds the PE ID (goes to that person).

'
'If AfterUpdate fires, then the user selected existing data to edit.
'
Private Sub cboPerson_AfterUpdate()
    DoCmd.OpenForm "tfrmPeople", , , "PE_ID=" & cboPerson
End Sub
'
'The change event fires only when the data in the combo changes in response
to keyboard input
'
'Check for data selected.  If data is still selected then we are still
finding matching data
'
Private Sub cboPerson_Change()
    If cboPerson.SelLength = 0 Then
        cboPerson = ""
        DoCmd.Beep
        If MsgBox("Person not found.  Open intake form?", vbDefaultButton1 +
vbYesNo, "DATABASE SEARCH") = vbYes Then
            DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPAIntake"
        End If
    End If
End Sub
'
'Performing the checks above should minimize actually getting the NotInList
'However if we do, then "Ask and Open"
'
Private Sub cboPerson_NotInList(NewData As String, Response As Integer)
    Response = acDataErrContinue
    cboPerson = ""
    If MsgBox("Person not found.  Open intake form?", vbDefaultButton1 +
vbYesNo, "DATABASE SEARCH") = vbYes Then
        DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPAIntake"
    End If
End Sub

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:30 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the person
searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.

However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out and
trigger the NotInList.

It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
combo should have been built this way to begin with.

Has anyone ever done this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 10:16:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:16:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEIKELAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEEIFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't know why developers don't do this but I do.  Much of the reason of
using a specific type is to force VB to use a specific data type to hold
whatever is being stored, which in turn prevents doing stupid things like
storing currency in strings etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B.
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Stuart,
Thanks, I can't even remember what my issue was now, wrote that a 2:00 AM...

I ran FMS Analyzer on an app and found that none of my constants have ever
been explicitly typed - even those from procedures I obtained from other
people, ADH, etc. Maybe that was the issue: Why don't they do it why?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] explicit type
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:
>
> > Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference
> is it going
> > to make if I declare this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> > versus this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> >
>
> If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant
> with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.
>
> How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the
> constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare
> all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its
> purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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> Support.
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 10:22:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:22:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F5FrYILoygXLsx000000ed@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEJFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the combo.
In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the combo and
the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to me to not fire
immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.  When
the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and as items
are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a progressively
wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the method was that users
spent over 95% of their time working on active records but occasionally
needed to look up records that might become active, records that have been
closed and records that have been archived all from a single lookup.  It the
item ulimately was 'not in list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for each
globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached locally
and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the necessity
resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in list
is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the contents of
the combo when the list fires and I always use this parameter to populate
fields in the new record.  It would be very annoying to users accustomed to
entering new records in a combo to have it beep 30 or 50 times at them as
they add new records.  I believe that the purpose of the implementation of
the event is to allow users to enter new records directly into the combo
rather than notify them to get out, yet still use the combo as a record
locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type' record
checking routine to search for likely matches and for the ultimate not in
list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from which to choose
before permitting the addition of the record.  None of my data entry forms
have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add new records via combo
boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that those who argue that
misspellings and the ease of adding new records in this fashion makes for
the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it is just as easy for a
person to punch the new record button on a data entry form and never see
whether the record had been previously entered.  Also, the use of a single
record table flag to indicate that records have been edited or added ensures
that if the possiblity exists of multiple users getting the same data
concurrently and each adding the same record since there combo was last
filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person
>searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.  I
>have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after update
>to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
>person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
>the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
>user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
>the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
>beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
>NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out
>and
>trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
>the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
>point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
>soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
>data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then we
>are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like the
>combo should have been built this way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Thu Oct  2 10:41:37 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:41:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

> I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No
> problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 . 
> What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the
> database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent
> openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track
> openings of database? Thanks
> 
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 10:45:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:45:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the 
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if 
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person 
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as 
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only 
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by 
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, 
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop 
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form - 
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point 
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the 
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is 
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion 
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger 
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 10:48:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:48:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312337@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I generally type my constants, but I think it is unusual in printed code
for the same reason that error handling is often left out.  Since
constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Stuart,
Thanks, I can't even remember what my issue was now, wrote that a 2:00
AM...

I ran FMS Analyzer on an app and found that none of my constants have
ever been explicitly typed - even those from procedures I obtained from
other people, ADH, etc. Maybe that was the issue: Why don't they do it
why?

JB

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> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] explicit type
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2003 at 1:56, John B. wrote:
>
> > Just cleaning some code and I was wondering how much difference
> is it going
> > to make if I declare this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> > versus this:
> > Const conPropNotFoundError as Long = 3270
> > If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then...
> >
>
> If you don't declare it explicitly, it will be declared as a Variant 
> with all of the overhead of storing/interpreting variants.
>
> How much depends on how you are using it. The more you use the 
> constant, the more overhead you incur.  As a general rule -  declare 
> all variables and constants as the most efficient data type for its 
> purpose and only use variants if they are unavoidable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Oct  2 11:03:06 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:03:06 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D3A@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hallo Chester,
 
For this sort of thing I use a table with a date field,
when I run the code or update data I write the date to this field
then in the code check to see if todays date = the date in the field.
if true exit sub
if false run code
 
hth
alun

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Betreff: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag



I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 . 
What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track openings of database? Thanks

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  2 11:04:58 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:04:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References:  <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <18035004163.20031002180458@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

Set a flag (field in table) to today's date when finished.
Then, run only if weekday = Wednesday and Date > datFlag.

/gustav


>> I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No
>> problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 . 
>> What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the
>> database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent
>> openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track
>> openings of database? Thanks


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 11:11:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:11:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312337@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEELFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Charlotte,

>Since constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

One of the reasons for even having typed data is to prevent inadvertently
assigning the data to a variable of the wrong type.  If you don't type a
constant, AFAIK it ends up a variant.  Variants are horribly slow, and can
cause (or allow) coercion to a different data type etc.  By stating that
"this constant is a string", or "this constant is a currency", you prevent
programming bugs creeping in.  And then there is the speed issue of using
variants, memory storage of the variant etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


I generally type my constants, but I think it is unusual in printed code
for the same reason that error handling is often left out.  Since
constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 11:12:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:12:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hmmm... I suppose so.

OTOH many people (touch typists) don't watch the screen as they are typing
so they don't know they have entered a mistake - or found data not in the
list - until they finally look at the combo some time later.  If something
happened IMMEDIATELY... I could beep the user, prevent the excess characters
from being entered in the combo (so they don't have to visually find the
error point) etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Thu Oct  2 11:17:08 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:17:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGEAAEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

FW: How to set flagEverytime it opens you could check the day and the flag.
If the day <> Wednesday then set the flag = false (or whatever) and exit the
function.  If day = Wednesday and flag = false then run the code and set the
flag = true.  Next time day = Wednesday and flag = true so skip the code.

The reason I say to set the flag = false any other day of the week is that
this would almost gaurantee that the flag is reset even if the app isn't
opened every day.

Of course, to avoid that you could store the number of the week when the
code last ran and compare it to the the new week number on the next
Wednesday.  If the week numbers do not match then run the code.
Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester A
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:42 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag


  I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No problem
do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 .
  What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the
database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent openings. I
am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track openings of database?
Thanks

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 11:19:51 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:19:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
References: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <00f401c38901$024477c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

FW: How to set flagSimplest thing, I think would be to create a one field table where, when you run the code, it stores the current date.  Then every time the database is opened you could check that date and run the code if it hadn't already been run that day.

Rocky

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  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag


  I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 . 
  What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track openings of database? Thanks

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 11:36:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:36:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I agree on the speed issue and variants, but we are talking about
constants, not variables, and constants are not dynamic.  Since the
programmer has to populate the constant and logically does so when
he/she creates the thing, is it really likely they will assign the wrong
kind of data to it?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Charlotte,

>Since constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to 
>skip
typing them.

One of the reasons for even having typed data is to prevent
inadvertently assigning the data to a variable of the wrong type.  If
you don't type a constant, AFAIK it ends up a variant.  Variants are
horribly slow, and can cause (or allow) coercion to a different data
type etc.  By stating that "this constant is a string", or "this
constant is a currency", you prevent programming bugs creeping in.  And
then there is the speed issue of using variants, memory storage of the
variant etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


I generally type my constants, but I think it is unusual in printed code
for the same reason that error handling is often left out.  Since
constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

Charlotte Foust

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From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type

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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct  2 11:41:26 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:41:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003b01c38904$06196d30$7001a8c0@COA3>

As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if 
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only 
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by 
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, 
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop 
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form - 
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the 
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is 
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion 
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 11:50:31 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:50:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the 
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if 
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person 
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as 
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only 
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by 
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, 
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop 
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form - 
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point 
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the 
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is 
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion 
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger 
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Thu Oct  2 12:12:13 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:12:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <3F7C5C6C.F1620A21@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
Hope this is of some help.

If you use the On Change event of the combo box you can check to see if
the info typed in exists
.

Simple example

Dim Db as database
Dim Rst as recordset
Dim Sql as string

sql="select store from company where store=""" &  me!mycombo.text & "*"
& """;"

set db=currentdb()
set rst=db.openrecordset(sql,dbopendynaset)

if rst.recordcount=0 then
    docmd.beep
endif

rst.close




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 12:00:12 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:00:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEEOFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 12:07:13 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:07:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3D8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You mean the search is on multiple fields or the user can enter a value
like either a numeric ID or a customer name?  I handled the latter
situation in the past by using a "pre-combo" textbox to enter the first
characters of the search criteria and then populated the combo with the
matching list so they could continue the search there.  That way, if
they entered numbers, I could populate the combo differently than if
they entered letters.  It also reduced the items in the list to a
manageable number.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data
that is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the 
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if 
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person 
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as 
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only 
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list. 
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by 
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, 
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop 
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form - 
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point 
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the 
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is 
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion 
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger 
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  2 12:33:15 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:33:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: How to set flag
In-Reply-To: <200310021548.h92Fmpe25030@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031002122851.024172a0@pop3.highstream.net>

Chester,

Create a table called tsys_SystemSettings
Have one field in it  LastRunDate, Date datatype

After running your process, replace the last run date
with the current date.  When opening the
database, check to see if it is today() or
LastRunDate + 7 then take the appropriate action.
Today - Ignore
Not LastRunDate + 7 - Ignore
= LastRunDate + 7 - Run again

Robert

At 10:48 AM 10/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:41:37 -0500
>From: "Kaup, Chester A" <kaupca at chevrontexaco.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] FW: How to set flag
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID:
> 
><193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3ED5 at bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> > I have a database with some code that runs only on Wednesday. No
> > problem do that with If Weekday(DATE) = 4 .
> > What I need to do is set some kind flag so that the first time the
> > database opens on Wednesday the code runs but not on subsequent
> > openings. I am at a loss of how to do this. Maybe I need to track
> > openings of database? Thanks
> >
> > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 12:35:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] explicit type
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFAFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No, constants are not dynamic however AFAIK if you don't state their type,
then they are created using a variant.  That variant can be passed to an
integer or a string or a date or a currency.  Thus you could cause type
conversions that were unintended by passing the constant to a function (for
example).  If the constant is currency stored as a string, you cannot pass
it to a currency variable without specifically typecasting it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


I agree on the speed issue and variants, but we are talking about
constants, not variables, and constants are not dynamic.  Since the
programmer has to populate the constant and logically does so when
he/she creates the thing, is it really likely they will assign the wrong
kind of data to it?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


Charlotte,

>Since constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to
>skip
typing them.

One of the reasons for even having typed data is to prevent
inadvertently assigning the data to a variable of the wrong type.  If
you don't type a constant, AFAIK it ends up a variant.  Variants are
horribly slow, and can cause (or allow) coercion to a different data
type etc.  By stating that "this constant is a string", or "this
constant is a currency", you prevent programming bugs creeping in.  And
then there is the speed issue of using variants, memory storage of the
variant etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type


I generally type my constants, but I think it is unusual in printed code
for the same reason that error handling is often left out.  Since
constants can't be changed, it doesn't seem terribly wrong to skip
typing them.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] explicit type

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 12:42:04 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3D8@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFBFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The search is on something like: LastName & ", " & FirstName & " : " & Zip

They would have to enter it all correctly (and it not be in there) in order
to open a data entry form and then parse it out into the correct fields etc.

I just find that it isn't in the list and ask if they want the form opened.
If they do they have to enter ALL the data from scratch.  I tried the parse
and start with that in the form and it just wasn't worth my time to do it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


You mean the search is on multiple fields or the user can enter a value
like either a numeric ID or a customer name?  I handled the latter
situation in the past by using a "pre-combo" textbox to enter the first
characters of the search criteria and then populated the combo with the
matching list so they could continue the search there.  That way, if
they entered numbers, I could populate the combo differently than if
they entered letters.  It also reduced the items in the list to a
manageable number.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data
that is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 12:48:38 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:48:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227296@main2.marlow.com>

Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a
'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  
 
But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview
turned on.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the
hotkey?
 
Rocky
 

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From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If
MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then
have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Dear List:
 
I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to
run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying
"Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's
something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes
up.
 
What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key -
which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying
"Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to
continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  2 12:55:09 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:55:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: CBO Not in List
In-Reply-To: <200310021700.h92H0Ye25764@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031002125325.0241eaf0@pop3.highstream.net>

Tony,

You need to be careful of using recordcount.
It is better to do this:

if rs.eof and rs.bof then

The only time both are true is if the recordset
is empty.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:55:26 -0700
>From: Tony Septav <iggy at nanaimo.ark.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not in List
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID: <3F714DED.907D33D2 at nanaimo.ark.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hey All
>Hope this is of some help.
>
>If you use the On Change event of the combo box you can check to see if
>the info typed in exists
>.
>
>Simple example
>
>Dim Db as database
>Dim Rst as recordset
>Dim Sql as string
>
>sql="select store from company where store=""" &  me!mycombo.text & "*"
>& """;"
>
>set db=currentdb()
>set rst=db.openrecordset(sql,dbopendynaset)
>
>if rst.recordcount=0 then
>     docmd.beep
>endif
>
>rst.close



From askolits at ot.com  Thu Oct  2 13:24:35 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:24:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
In-Reply-To: <16626259.1064921087446.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAELDDEAA.askolits@ot.com>

Here ya' go. Found this on the web. To use it, just paste all the code below
the line into a module. Then, run the code:

call RegDLL("c:\winnt\system32\COMDLG32.OCX",TRUE).

You can put any dll file in there you want. Include the path.

Place a true or false in there if you want a message box to show up.

John Skolits
_____________________________________________
  Option Compare Database

  Option Explicit

  Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lLibFileName
As String) As Long
  Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32" (lThreadAttributes As
Any, _
      ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As Long, ByVal larameter
As Long, _
      ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hHandle
As Long, _
      ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hModule As
Long, _
      ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
  Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32" Alias
"CallWindowProcA" _
      (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal Msg As Long, _
      ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hLibModule As
Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As
Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hThread
As Long, lExitCode As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lExitCode As Long)

  Function RegDLL(strDLL_Name As String, Optional bolShowMsg As Boolean)
      If RegisterComponent(strDLL_Name) = True Then
          If bolShowMsg Then MsgBox "Component Successfully Registered"
      Else
          If bolShowMsg Then MsgBox "Failed to Registered Component"
      End If
  End Function


  'Purpose   :    This function registers and Unregisters OLE components
  'Inputs    :    sFilePath       The path to the DLL/OCX or ActiveX EXE
  '               bRegister                       If True Registers the
control,
  '               else unregisters control
  'Outputs   :    Returns True if successful
  'Author    :    Andrewb
  'Date      :    04/09/2000
  'Notes     :    This is the API equivalent of RegSvr32.exe.
  'Revisions :    1/Jan/2002. Updated to include code for registering
ActiveX Exes.

  Function RegisterComponent(ByVal sFilePath As String, Optional bRegister
As Boolean = True) As Boolean
      Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long, lThreadID As Long, _
          lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As Long
      Dim sRegister As String
      Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20 secs for register to
complete

      On Error GoTo ErrFailed
      If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0 Then
          'File exists
          If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
              'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
              If bRegister Then
                  'Register EXE
                  Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
              Else
                  'Unregister ActiveX EXE
                  Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER", vbHide
              End If
              RegisterComponent = True
          Else
              'Register/Unregister DLL
              If bRegister Then
                  sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
              Else
                  sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
              End If

              'Load library into current process
              lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)

              If lLibAddress Then
                  'Get address of the DLL function
                  lProcAddress = GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
                  If lProcAddress Then
                      lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&, ByVal
lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
                      If lThread Then
                          'Created thread and wait for it to terminate
                          lSuccess = (WaitForSingleObject(lThread,
clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
                          If Not lSuccess Then
                              'Failed to register, close thread
                              Call GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
                              Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
                              RegisterComponent = False
                          Else
                              'Successfully registered component
                              RegisterComponent = True
                              Call CloseHandle(lThread)
                          End If
                      End If
                      Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
                  Else
                      'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
                      Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
                  End If
              End If
          End If
      End If
      Exit Function

  ErrFailed:
      Debug.Print Err.Description
      Debug.Assert False
      On Error GoTo 0
  End Function
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 13:36:22 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:36:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227296@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <014401c38914$14582ca0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Drew:

Is the button Click event active while the program is in a long loop?

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:48 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a 'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  

  But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview turned on.

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the hotkey?

    Rocky

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Drew Wutka 
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
      Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


      Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.

      Drew
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
        To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


        Dear List:

        I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

        What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

        MTIA,

        Rocky Smolin
        Beach Access Software



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 13:38:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:38:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] control labels
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In my framework I use the background color of a combo to denote that the
combo has dbl-click (open a data entry form) functionality.

In order to do this I use the following function to find any given control's
label:

'.Comments  :
'.Parameters:
'.Sets      :
'.Returns   :
'.Created by: John W. Colby
'.Created   : 6/17/02 11:22:19 AM
'
'Finds the label that "belongs to" any given control.
'
Function CtlLbl(ctlFindLbl As Control) As Label
On Error GoTo Err_CtlLbl
Dim ctl As Control
    For Each ctl In ctlFindLbl.Controls
        If ctl.ControlType = acLabel Then
            Set CtlLbl = ctl
        End If
    Next ctl
Exit_CtlLbl:
Exit Function
Err_CtlLbl:
    Select Case err
    Case 0      '.insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   '.All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox err.Description, , "Error in Function Utils.CtlLbl"
        Resume Exit_CtlLbl
    End Select
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function

My combo class has a private label variable.  I use the function above to
find the label and set the class' label variable.

dim mlbl as label
    Set mlbl = CtlLbl(mcbo)

Having done this, the class can now directly manipulate the properties of
the label associated with the combo such as back color, forecolor, font etc.
For example

	if mcbo.text < 0 then
		mlbl.backcolor = vbRed
	else
		mlbl.backcolor = vbGreen
	endif

The problem is controls on a continuous form where the label is in the page
or form header don't have a label per se (in their controls collection), and
thus the function returns a null.  IOW I can't manipulate a label for a
COLUMN of controls the same way I can for an independent label directly
attached to a control.  And yes, I know the example above makes no sense for
a column of combos since different records could plus or negative.  However
I want to be able to say a column of combos can be dbl-clicked to open a
data entry form, and in this context it does make sense.

So I added a function to the combo class to allow me to pass in a reference
to a label, which is then stored in the label variable in the class.

'
'Connects a label to a combo - used for continuous forms where the label is
in the header etc.
'
Function ConnectLabel(llbl As Label)
    Set mlbl = llbl
End Function

I can now "assign" a label to a class instance using the syntax:

  colCombos.Item("cboIDPT").ConnectLabel lblIDPT

Therefore any code in the class that attempts to manipulate the label of the
control (combo in this case) "finds" a label to manipulate even though there
isn't one in the control.controls collection.

And IT WORKS!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From chizotz at charter.net  Thu Oct  2 13:43:38 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:43:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Engagement Pictures
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEEOFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-5633287@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

Hello Everyone,

At the request of my fiance (still feels odd to say 
that<g>) I put some of our engagement evening pictures on 
the web for her family to see. Here is the link if anyone 
here is interested.

http://webpages.charter.net/chizotz/engaged.html

Yeah, the hairy-faced guy is me and the older lady in one 
picture is my mom.

Ron

From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 14:20:40 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:20:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <Sea2-F65NTAbAWFswl30000051a@hotmail.com>

I concluded the opposite when it came to the names of people.  I did not 
concatenate a zip code because I didn't want duplicate person records 
everytime someone uses a different address (mailing vs physical vs work vs 
weekend vs summer...).  As I don't generally use a 'New Record' button, the 
only annomaly is that it is necessary to misspell a name if there really are 
two people with identical names.  This is especially true for things like 
companies with the same name but different locations.  Users appreciate the 
fact that you parse names so they need not rekey things twice.

I didn't consider it not 'worth my time' because it is used in every 
application I write.  When I was first working with Access 97, I read a Wrox 
book called something like Beginning Access VBA and it had an example of an 
elaborate parser that pulled Mr/Mrs - Names - middle names - last names - 
Jr/Sr and then titles and degrees.  I dummied that one down about 500%  back 
in '97 and still use it today and it still works just as satifactorily now 
as it did then.  I probably invested over an hour into the routine at the 
time because coding was new to me and Access 97 didn't have some of the 
newer string functions that more recent versions have, but I learned 
something and built a reusable tool.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:04 -0400
>
>The search is on something like: LastName & ", " & FirstName & " : " & Zip
>
>They would have to enter it all correctly (and it not be in there) in order
>to open a data entry form and then parse it out into the correct fields 
>etc.
>
>I just find that it isn't in the list and ask if they want the form opened.
>If they do they have to enter ALL the data from scratch.  I tried the parse
>and start with that in the form and it just wasn't worth my time to do it.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>

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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 14:20:40 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:20:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <Sea2-F65NTAbAWFswl30000051a@hotmail.com>

I concluded the opposite when it came to the names of people.  I did not 
concatenate a zip code because I didn't want duplicate person records 
everytime someone uses a different address (mailing vs physical vs work vs 
weekend vs summer...).  As I don't generally use a 'New Record' button, the 
only annomaly is that it is necessary to misspell a name if there really are 
two people with identical names.  This is especially true for things like 
companies with the same name but different locations.  Users appreciate the 
fact that you parse names so they need not rekey things twice.

I didn't consider it not 'worth my time' because it is used in every 
application I write.  When I was first working with Access 97, I read a Wrox 
book called something like Beginning Access VBA and it had an example of an 
elaborate parser that pulled Mr/Mrs - Names - middle names - last names - 
Jr/Sr and then titles and degrees.  I dummied that one down about 500%  back 
in '97 and still use it today and it still works just as satifactorily now 
as it did then.  I probably invested over an hour into the routine at the 
time because coding was new to me and Access 97 didn't have some of the 
newer string functions that more recent versions have, but I learned 
something and built a reusable tool.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:04 -0400
>
>The search is on something like: LastName & ", " & FirstName & " : " & Zip
>
>They would have to enter it all correctly (and it not be in there) in order
>to open a data entry form and then parse it out into the correct fields 
>etc.
>
>I just find that it isn't in the list and ask if they want the form opened.
>If they do they have to enter ALL the data from scratch.  I tried the parse
>and start with that in the form and it just wasn't worth my time to do it.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>

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From greggs at msn.com  Thu Oct  2 14:41:54 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:41:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Autosave????
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F2542oaPth2AQV00032d30@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIIEBCDAAA.greggs@msn.com>

In A97 when editing forms, reports, and queries they automatically save on
exit... I get no choice.  What causes that? I can move th DB to another
system and the problem goes away.

Thanks!

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct  2 14:41:05 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:41:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F96E0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

should that not be regsvr32 ???
I always used this.

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Skolits
	Verzonden: donderdag 2 oktober 2003 20:25
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
	
	
	Here ya' go. Found this on the web. To use it, just paste all
the code below the line into a module. Then, run the code:
	 
	call RegDLL("c:\winnt\system32\COMDLG32.OCX",TRUE). 
	 
	You can put any dll file in there you want. Include the path.
	 
	Place a true or false in there if you want a message box to show
up.
	 
	John Skolits
	_____________________________________________

		Option Compare Database
		 
		Option Explicit
		 
		Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal lLibFileName As String) As Long
		Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32"
(lThreadAttributes As Any, _
		    ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As
Long, ByVal larameter As Long, _
		    ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As
Long
		Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib
"kernel32" (ByVal hHandle As Long, _
		    ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hModule As Long, _
		    ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
		Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32"
Alias "CallWindowProcA" _
		    (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long,
ByVal Msg As Long, _
		    ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hLibModule As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hObject As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib
"kernel32" (ByVal hThread As Long, lExitCode As Long) As Long
		Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal
lExitCode As Long)
		 
		Function RegDLL(strDLL_Name As String, Optional
bolShowMsg As Boolean)
		    If RegisterComponent(strDLL_Name) = True Then
		        If bolShowMsg Then MsgBox "Component
Successfully Registered"
		    Else
		        If bolShowMsg Then MsgBox "Failed to Registered
Component"
		    End If
		End Function
		 
		

		'Purpose   :    This function registers and Unregisters
OLE components
		'Inputs    :    sFilePath       The path to the DLL/OCX
or ActiveX EXE
		'               bRegister                       If True
Registers the control,
		'               else unregisters control
		'Outputs   :    Returns True if successful
		'Author    :    Andrewb
		'Date      :    04/09/2000
		'Notes     :    This is the API equivalent of
RegSvr32.exe.
		'Revisions :    1/Jan/2002. Updated to include code for
registering ActiveX Exes.
		 
		Function RegisterComponent(ByVal sFilePath As String,
Optional bRegister As Boolean = True) As Boolean
		    Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long,
lThreadID As Long, _
		        lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As
Long
		    Dim sRegister As String
		    Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20
secs for register to complete
		    
		    On Error GoTo ErrFailed
		    If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0
Then
		        'File exists
		        If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
		            'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
		            If bRegister Then
		                'Register EXE
		                Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
		            Else
		                'Unregister ActiveX EXE
		                Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER",
vbHide
		            End If
		            RegisterComponent = True
		        Else
		            'Register/Unregister DLL
		            If bRegister Then
		                sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
		            Else
		                sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
		            End If
		            
		            'Load library into current process
		            lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)
		            
		            If lLibAddress Then
		                'Get address of the DLL function
		                lProcAddress =
GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
		                If lProcAddress Then
		                    lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&,
ByVal lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
		                    If lThread Then
		                        'Created thread and wait for it
to terminate
		                        lSuccess =
(WaitForSingleObject(lThread, clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
		                        If Not lSuccess Then
		                            'Failed to register, close
thread
		                            Call
GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
		                            Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
		                            RegisterComponent = False
		                        Else
		                            'Successfully registered
component
		                            RegisterComponent = True
		                            Call CloseHandle(lThread)
		                        End If
		                    End If
		                    Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
		                Else
		                    'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
		                    Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
		                End If
		            End If
		        End If
		    End If
		    Exit Function
		 
		ErrFailed:
		    Debug.Print Err.Description
		    Debug.Assert False
		    On Error GoTo 0
		End Function
		

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 14:51:20 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:51:20 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227297@main2.marlow.com>

Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 14:52:01 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:52:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Autosave????
In-Reply-To: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIIEBCDAAA.greggs@msn.com>
Message-ID: <00cf01c3891e$a57ea330$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Gregg
I think this happens when you've Set Warnings Off and not set them back
on.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greggs
> Sent: 02 October 2003 20:42
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Autosave????
> 
> 
> In A97 when editing forms, reports, and queries they 
> automatically save on exit... I get no choice.  What causes 
> that? I can move th DB to another system and the problem goes away.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Gregg
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 15:00:38 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:00:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227298@main2.marlow.com>

It's active whenever your loop hit's a doevents statement.  That's what
DoEvents is for! <grin>
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Drew:
 
Is the button Click event active while the program is in a long loop?
 
Rocky
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
problem solving' 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a
'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  
 
But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview
turned on.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the
hotkey?
 
Rocky
 

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From: Drew  <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com> Wutka 
To: 'Access Developers discussion  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If
MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then
have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Dear List:
 
I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to
run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying
"Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's
something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes
up.
 
What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key -
which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying
"Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to
continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  2 15:01:42 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:01:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBCC0@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Are you implying that you've successfully done this?  Any custom ocx I've written (and others) don't quite work as well in Access  as VB (A97 in my experience).  

I can't remember the shortcomings offhand but as an example, I was at an Advisor.com event a few years back and the topic was creating custom controls in VB6.  The speaker got bold after mentioning how this control would work in any development tool that supported ActiveX and decided to show us how he could drop it on an Access form and use it.  I had already tried this bright idea and had a strong feeling it would fail and it did.  

Sorry for no details.  I guess if someone wanted I could dig up my results.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 15:11:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:11:21 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227299@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, I have written custom controls that work in Access 97. (Not a combo box
though...)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Are you implying that you've successfully done this?  Any custom ocx I've
written (and others) don't quite work as well in Access  as VB (A97 in my
experience).  

I can't remember the shortcomings offhand but as an example, I was at an
Advisor.com event a few years back and the topic was creating custom
controls in VB6.  The speaker got bold after mentioning how this control
would work in any development tool that supported ActiveX and decided to
show us how he could drop it on an Access form and use it.  I had already
tried this bright idea and had a strong feeling it would fail and it did.  

Sorry for no details.  I guess if someone wanted I could dig up my results.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 15:50:50 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:50:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227298@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <01a401c38926$dcfee240$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

aha.  got it.

Rocky

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  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


  It's active whenever your loop hit's a doevents statement.  That's what DoEvents is for! <grin>

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
    Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:36 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


    Drew:

    Is the button Click event active while the program is in a long loop?

    Rocky

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Drew Wutka 
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
      Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:48 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


      Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a 'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  

      But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview turned on.

      Drew
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


        Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the hotkey?

        Rocky

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Drew Wutka 
          To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
          Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


          Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.

          Drew
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
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            Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


            Dear List:

            I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying "Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes up.

            What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key - which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying "Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?

            MTIA,

            Rocky Smolin
            Beach Access Software



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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 15:54:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:54:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEIFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001601c38927$67df8ea0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...hhhmmm ...I approach this differently JC ...I almost always use a
separate text box to set the cbo row source ...using the change event on the
text box to count the records found as each character beyond two or three
(choose your number) is typed into the text box ...if the ListCount is zero,
I can do a number of things depending upon the app ...this way I can limit
the records found to a reasonable size and still have be very responsive to
the user making changes ...watch the wrap :)

Me!txtSearchExpression = Me!txtEntry.Text & "*"
    lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblCompany.CompanyID,
tblCompany.CompanyName, tblCompany.City, tblCompany.StateOrProvince,
tblCompany.Country FROM tblCompany WHERE (((tblCompany.CompanyName) Like
[txtSearchExpression])) ORDER BY tblCompany.CompanyName;"
    lstFound.Requery
        Dim i As Integer
        i = lstFound.ListCount
    Me!txtCount = i

William Hindman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


> Ok, my solution:
>
> Where cboperson is a combo box, with AutoExpand and LimitToList set true,
of
> a list of people in the database.  tfrmPeople is a tabbed form of people
in
> the database, and frmPAIntake is a form for entering new people in the
> database.
>
> Basically the combo change event checks the selected length.  As you type
in
> the combo, if a match is being found there is selected text after the
> cursor.  If you reach a point where the data entered no longer matches
> anything in the list, there is no selected length so pop up a message box
> asking if they want to open an IDE form.  If they find the person desired
> they just hit enter or tab and AfterUpdate fires, causing the tab form to
> open, with a where clause that finds the PE ID (goes to that person).
>
> '
> 'If AfterUpdate fires, then the user selected existing data to edit.
> '
> Private Sub cboPerson_AfterUpdate()
>     DoCmd.OpenForm "tfrmPeople", , , "PE_ID=" & cboPerson
> End Sub
> '
> 'The change event fires only when the data in the combo changes in
response
> to keyboard input
> '
> 'Check for data selected.  If data is still selected then we are still
> finding matching data
> '
> Private Sub cboPerson_Change()
>     If cboPerson.SelLength = 0 Then
>         cboPerson = ""
>         DoCmd.Beep
>         If MsgBox("Person not found.  Open intake form?", vbDefaultButton1
+
> vbYesNo, "DATABASE SEARCH") = vbYes Then
>             DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPAIntake"
>         End If
>     End If
> End Sub
> '
> 'Performing the checks above should minimize actually getting the
NotInList
> 'However if we do, then "Ask and Open"
> '
> Private Sub cboPerson_NotInList(NewData As String, Response As Integer)
>     Response = acDataErrContinue
>     cboPerson = ""
>     If MsgBox("Person not found.  Open intake form?", vbDefaultButton1 +
> vbYesNo, "DATABASE SEARCH") = vbYes Then
>         DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPAIntake"
>     End If
> End Sub
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:30 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>
>
> I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
person
> searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if they are.
I
> have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and the after
update
> to open the tabbed form to the record of the person found in the combo.
>
> However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as the
> person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only fires as
> the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.  However if the
> user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by the time she types
> the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name, the combo should start
> beeping so that the user is notified to stop typing and tab out to trigger
> NotInList and open the data entry form - or even programatically tab out
and
> trigger the NotInList.
>
> It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point and
> the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the insertion
> point is in the middle of the data that the combo is following, whereas as
> soon as the data is not found, the insertion point is at the end of the
> data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the end of the data TWICE, then
we
> are at a true "not found" and trigger NotInList.  In fact it seems like
the
> combo should have been built this way to begin with.
>
> Has anyone ever done this?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 15:57:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:57:14 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222729B@main2.marlow.com>

Sounds like a plan.  Does it do what you wanted it to do?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] form on top question


I'll take a look -- thank you Drew. Smells like an article to me. :)

Susan H.


> Susan, I just sent you (off list) an Access 97 database that does what you
> want.  There's a form and a module involved (don't really need the module,
> you could put all of the code on the form, just got lazy and used a module
> from the old version of the MiniCalendar).


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 15:57:32 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:57:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Engagement Pictures
References: <web-5633287@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c38927$cc99d7b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...ok ...so now we know two things ...you have great taste ...she has poor
taste!

...congratulations :)

William Hindman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Allen" <chizotz at charter.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:43 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Engagement Pictures


> Hello Everyone,
>
> At the request of my fiance (still feels odd to say
> that<g>) I put some of our engagement evening pictures on
> the web for her family to see. Here is the link if anyone
> here is interested.
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/chizotz/engaged.html
>
> Yeah, the hairy-faced guy is me and the older lady in one
> picture is my mom.
>
> Ron
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From greggs at msn.com  Thu Oct  2 16:19:23 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:19:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Autosave????
In-Reply-To: <00cf01c3891e$a57ea330$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLICEBFDAAA.greggs@msn.com>

That was it!  Can't tell you how long I would have looked for that.  Thanks
Andy!

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Autosave????


Gregg
I think this happens when you've Set Warnings Off and not set them back
on.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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> Sent: 02 October 2003 20:42
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Autosave????
>
>
> In A97 when editing forms, reports, and queries they
> automatically save on exit... I get no choice.  What causes
> that? I can move th DB to another system and the problem goes away.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Gregg
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 16:18:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:18:45 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222729E@main2.marlow.com>

Just be careful with that statement, because a LOT of events can occur, when
you call DoEvents, so if you have something that may interfere, watch
out.... <grin>
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


aha.  got it.
 
Rocky
 

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From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
problem solving' 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

It's active whenever your loop hit's a doevents statement.  That's what
DoEvents is for! <grin>
 
Drew

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From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Drew:
 
Is the button Click event active while the program is in a long loop?
 
Rocky
 

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To: 'Access Developers discussion  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> and
problem solving' 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Quite honestly, never have used a keyboard 'breaker'.  I always provide a
'cancel' or 'pause' button on a form displaying the 'current' processes.  
 
But I guess you could have it fire on the KeyUp event, with KeyPreview
turned on.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Not sure I understand.  Do I use KeyPreview to trap the keystroke of the
hotkey?
 
Rocky
 

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From: Drew  <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com> Wutka 
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Interrupting processing

Just put in a Global boolean variable, and check it in your processes (If
MyBool=True then AskToCancel).  Put a DoEvents in that process, and then
have your 'hotkey' set that variable to true.  That should do the trick.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Interrupting processing


Dear List:
 
I have an application with a lot of reports that take a considerable time to
run.  I always put a couple of text boxes on the calling form saying
"Processing record: xxxxx of yyyyy" and update it so the user knows there's
something going on and how much longer it will be before the report comes
up.
 
What I would like to do is to have a hotkey - probably the ESCape key -
which would interrupt the processing, pop up a message box saying
"Processing Interrupted.  Continue? (Yes/No)" and if the user elects to
continue have the code pick up where it was interrupted. Is this possible?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 17:11:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:11:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227297@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFMFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

My combo box class is part of my framework.  In essence I do extend the
functionality of the combo by loading a class to handle it.  If I build an
OCX I have to distribute it, register it etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 17:12:24 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:12:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222729B@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c38932$d097b840$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Haven't even tried it yet Drew. I'm sorry! I'm off on something completely
different now.

Susan H.

> Sounds like a plan.  Does it do what you wanted it to do?
>
> Drew



From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Thu Oct  2 17:17:49 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:17:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
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Thanks for your feedback and advice John. The MVPS <http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm>  article (although referring to ACC97) indirectly led me to believe that Jet 3.6 allowed 2048 references since the old Jet allowed 1024. Given what you have mentioned, I would be most definitely over the 128 limit then. I have tried the 'Just in time' method and have found it to be painfully slow. The user clicks on a tab and has to wait for the records to be filtered into the subform. I put the recordsource SQL string in a Case statement linked to the tab control. Perhaps I need to review the filtering or something.

Cheers 
David ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 


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Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos, lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on the tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on and unload them as the next tab is clicked on. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 17:22:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:22:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272A1@main2.marlow.com>

True.  Just an option though.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:11 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


My combo box class is part of my framework.  In essence I do extend the
functionality of the combo by loading a class to handle it.  If I build an
OCX I have to distribute it, register it etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
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Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
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That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
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As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Thu Oct  2 17:23:03 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:23:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE3@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Thanks for your advice and feedback Susan. 
I'm running on Win 2000 server, not Novell. I am satisfied that I am overstressing the Jet engine because of the number of forms, queries and other things that I have open at the same time. I have tried the 'Just in Time' method of reducing the number of open table references, but it was very slow. I will let you know how I solved it properly, if I ever do. The MVPS <http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm>  site had an interesting article which explained the problem, but Jet 3.6 didn't seem to solve it.

Cheers 
David ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:38:19 -0400
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Can't open any more databases. The one time I ran into this, I ended up redoing my form to get rid of the subforms -- never did find the culprit. I was told it could be resolved with a simple switch on the Novell server (which did seem to be the culprit) -- but IT refused. 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  2 17:31:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:31:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312342@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Why are they waiting for records to be filtered?  Aren't you also setting the master and child links for the subforms?  That is generally a much faster way to filter a subform than changing the recordsource.

Charlotte Foust

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


Thanks for your feedback and advice John. The MVPS <http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm>  article (although referring to ACC97) indirectly led me to believe that Jet 3.6 allowed 2048 references since the old Jet allowed 1024. Given what you have mentioned, I would be most definitely over the 128 limit then. I have tried the 'Just in time' method and have found it to be painfully slow. The user clicks on a tab and has to wait for the records to be filtered into the subform. I put the recordsource SQL string in a Case statement linked to the tab control. Perhaps I need to review the filtering or something.

Cheers
David ????
Brisbane

Australia 

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Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos, lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on the tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on and unload them as the next tab is clicked on. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com <file://www.colbyconsulting.com> 



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 17:33:26 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
References: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE2@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <002601c38935$321980b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases...something wrong there David ...I use JIT to speed up a db, not slow it down :(((

William Hindman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:17 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


  Thanks for your feedback and advice John. The MVPS article (although referring to ACC97) indirectly led me to believe that Jet 3.6 allowed 2048 references since the old Jet allowed 1024. Given what you have mentioned, I would be most definitely over the 128 limit then. I have tried the 'Just in time' method and have found it to be painfully slow. The user clicks on a tab and has to wait for the records to be filtered into the subform. I put the recordsource SQL string in a Case statement linked to the tab control. Perhaps I need to review the filtering or something.


  Cheers
  David ????
  Brisbane

  Australia 


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  Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos, lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

  One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on the tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on and unload them as the next tab is clicked on. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com





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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Thu Oct  2 17:33:50 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:33:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases (Concluded)
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Thank you for your excellent insights Jim,
Looks like it's back to the drawing board. I'm definitely pushing the limits of the table references then. What do you make of the MVPS <http://www.mvps.org/access/bugs/bugs0010.htm>  article the, where they refer to 1024 references?  When I noticed that Susan was referring to a specific problem that occurs on Novell, I knew that since I'm on Win2000 server it wouldn't help.

I have temporarily solved the problem by closing other forms that happened to be open at the same time, thereby closing some references. I will experiment with refining the record source under the open subforms on the offending form. But since I can never predict what forms the user might have open, I'd prefer to work towards a more robust solution so that I can be 100% certain the user will never see the error message.

Anyway, thanks for your valued help.

Cheers 
David Fenton ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 

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Can't open any more databases

David,

<<I believe that at most I have about 60-80 table references open at any
instant (knowing that it's a split database let's double that to 160
references). Even if I am conservative and say I have caused 500 table
references and double that to 1000, it is still nowhere near the limit of
2048. I believe it is a hard-coded limit of Jet 3.6. Am I barking up the
wrong tree completely?>>

  Yes but "table references" is probably not what you think it is.  Not only
does it mean every open table, but it also applies to every field reference
(which is in of itself a table reference).  It can add up a lot quicker then
you think, especially with multiple subforms.

<<It's a split database. I have a form (Form A) open which contains a tab
control with a form and subform on at least each of the ten tabs. Clicking
on a button on one of these tabs, hides this main form (Form A - with all of
it's open forms etc) and opens another form (Form B) with a tab control and
a bunch of forms. Each tab (seven tabs).>>

  From what you describe, it certainly sounds like you are bumping into the
limit. And yes, the bad news is that the limit is internal to Access and
cannot be modified.  Your only choice is to reduce the complexity of what's
going on.

  The other then that Susan mentioned is in regards to locks.  It is
possible that you are running out of locks and therefore cannot open another
database because you can't place a user lock.  This applies only to Novell
environments.  To test this out, place both the FE and BE on the same
station and try the operation again.  If the error still occurs, then it's
not related to locking.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 17:36:42 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:36:42 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] form on top question
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Oh well, that was fun to make!

Drew

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] form on top question


Haven't even tried it yet Drew. I'm sorry! I'm off on something completely
different now.

Susan H.

> Sounds like a plan.  Does it do what you wanted it to do?
>
> Drew


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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Thu Oct  2 17:56:38 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:56:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE5@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Charlotte and William, you have both got me thinking! 
Yes I do use the Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource). 

When the user clicks on each tab I assign an SQL string to the recordsource of the subforms under that tabb, the form opens the record source and each child subform does it's master/child filtering. All is well, but it IS slow. Is this the accepted way to do it? Because if you are saying it should be faster, then I'd like to do it properly so that it IS faster on my application. I must be doing something wrong.

A sample of my code:
  ...
        Case 6   ' Transfers IN
	'Simple procedure to remove recordsources from forms hidden when user leaves previous tab
          	ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferOUT.Form)
          	ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsOUT.Form)
          	ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsIN.Form)

	'Set up the recordsource strings for the three visible subforms (master and two children)
            Dim rsIN As String 'Master subform recordsource
    	Dim rsINfromDetails As String  'child 1 subform recordsource
    	Dim rsINtoDetails As String 'child 2 subform recordsource

	'Assign the strings to the variables
		rsIN = "SELECT tbl_Transfer.Trf_ID AS TransferID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Num AS TrfNumber, 
		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Printed AS Printed, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Date AS DateIssued, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Description,
		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_out AS fromEnrolID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_in AS toEnrolID, 
		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Amount AS AmtTransferred FROM tbl_Transfer;"
    	rsINfromDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsOUT"
    	rsINtoDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsIN"
    
	'Assign recordsources to the three subforms under tab user just clicked on
    	mainTrfINfrm.RecordSource = rsIN    'Where mainTrfINform is a form object previously set
    	detailTrfINfrom.RecordSource = rsINfromDetails
    	detailTrfINto.RecordSource = rsINtoDetails
	etc....

Any ideas?

Cheers 
David ???? 
Ext 0751 
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Why are they waiting for records to be filtered?  Aren't you also setting the master and child links for the subforms?  That is generally a much faster way to filter a subform than changing the recordsource.

Charlotte Foust

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:26 -0400
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
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RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases...something wrong there David ...I use JIT to speed up a db, not slow it down :(((

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From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:02:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312343@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No, the fast way is to use an unbound subform control and set its sourceobject in code to a particular subform, not a bound subform control with a change to the recordsource.  If you use SQL strings like that, it means that the SELECT statements are not optimized in Access 2000 and 2002 and can lead to significant delays in loading the form.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: David Fenton [mailto:dfe at nudgeeinternational.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)


Charlotte and William, you have both got me thinking! 

Yes I do use the Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource). 

When the user clicks on each tab I assign an SQL string to the recordsource of the subforms under that tabb, the form opens the record source and each child subform does it's master/child filtering. All is well, but it IS slow. Is this the accepted way to do it? Because if you are saying it should be faster, then I'd like to do it properly so that it IS faster on my application. I must be doing something wrong.

A sample of my code:

  ...

        Case 6   ' Transfers IN

        'Simple procedure to remove recordsources from forms hidden when user leaves previous tab

                ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferOUT.Form)

                ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsOUT.Form)

                ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsIN.Form)

        'Set up the recordsource strings for the three visible subforms (master and two children)

            Dim rsIN As String 'Master subform recordsource

        Dim rsINfromDetails As String  'child 1 subform recordsource

        Dim rsINtoDetails As String 'child 2 subform recordsource

        'Assign the strings to the variables

		rsIN = "SELECT tbl_Transfer.Trf_ID AS TransferID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Num AS TrfNumber, 

		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Printed AS Printed, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Date AS DateIssued, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Description,

		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_out AS fromEnrolID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_in AS toEnrolID, 

		tbl_Transfer.Trf_Amount AS AmtTransferred FROM tbl_Transfer;"

        rsINfromDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsOUT"

        rsINtoDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsIN"

    

        'Assign recordsources to the three subforms under tab user just clicked on

        mainTrfINfrm.RecordSource = rsIN    'Where mainTrfINform is a form object previously set

        detailTrfINfrom.RecordSource = rsINfromDetails

        detailTrfINto.RecordSource = rsINtoDetails

        etc....

Any ideas?

Cheers
David ????
Ext 0751 

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:31:12 -0700

From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

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Why are they waiting for records to be filtered?  Aren't you also setting the master and child links for the subforms?  That is generally a much faster way to filter a subform than changing the recordsource.

Charlotte Foust

........................................................................................................................................................................

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:26 -0400

From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

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RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases...something wrong there David ...I use JIT to speed up a db, not slow it down :(((

William Hindman


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  2 18:48:29 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:48:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE5@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
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Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)>Yes I do use the
Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms
sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource).

I think you are not using JIT at all.  JIT means that the SOURCE OBJECT
property of the subform control on a tab is empty.  IOW, if you could see
the tab, the entire subform would not be there at all, you couldn't see the
text boxes on the subform etc.

It sounds like you are saying that you have the subforms loaded, but then
load the RECORDSOURCE (DATA) to the subform?  I don't mess with the
recordsource of the subform at all under normal circumstances.  Each subform
has a recordsource that is usually a saved query.  The recoursource property
always references the query - and is saved that way, i.e. if you open the
subform in design view you would see the query name or SQL statement.  I
assign the form name to the SOURCE OBJECT property.  What this does is
actually LOAD the subform into the tab at the instant that the source object
property is set.  Since the subform has a recordsource property, it loads
its data when the form loads.

For some reason I then have to read out the Link child and master field
properties and write them right back in.

I don't know what you consider painfully slow of course but in general a
subform takes 1/2 second to one second to load.  It can be more of course
depending on how many combos and lists are on the subform - they also have
to load their data.  Of course if the subforms have tabs (Yep, I've done
that) then they are also JIT to avoid having to load all of those subforms
at one time.

The entire point of JIT subforms is to reduce load time of the parent form,
since any tab the user never clicks on never loads the subforms on that tab.
It can make a world of difference.  Bottom line, if the user is going to see
the subform, then it has to load and they have to wait for that load.  The
point is that in forms where they only NORMALLY use a few of many tabs, the
subforms on the other tabs never load so the user never has to wait for
those subforms to load.

I actually use an application global sysvar to decide whether to unload the
subforms once loaded (when the user clicks to another tab).  Sometimes it
makes sense, others it doesn't.  I then use form specific sysvars to
over-ride the global sysvar if I need a specific form to buck the global
trend.  IOW I can decide that in general, the subforms WILL unload when the
user clicks on a different tab, but for frmXXX the subforms will NOT unload.
Application SysVars are a real neat trick for customizing an app in this
manner.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:57 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
databases)


  Charlotte and William, you have both got me thinking!

  Yes I do use the Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded
all of its subforms sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with
no recordsource).

  When the user clicks on each tab I assign an SQL string to the
recordsource of the subforms under that tabb, the form opens the record
source and each child subform does it?s master/child filtering. All is well,
but it IS slow. Is this the accepted way to do it? Because if you are saying
it should be faster, then I?d like to do it properly so that it IS faster on
my application. I must be doing something wrong.

  A sample of my code:

    


          Case 6   ' Transfers IN

          ?Simple procedure to remove recordsources from forms hidden when
user leaves previous tab

                  ClearRecordSource
(Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferOUT.Form)

                  ClearRecordSource
(Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsOUT.Form)

                  ClearRecordSource
(Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsIN.Form)

          ?Set up the recordsource strings for the three visible subforms
(master and two children)

              Dim rsIN As String ?Master subform recordsource

          Dim rsINfromDetails As String  ?child 1 subform recordsource

          Dim rsINtoDetails As String ?child 2 subform recordsource

          ?Assign the strings to the variables

      rsIN = "SELECT tbl_Transfer.Trf_ID AS TransferID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Num
AS TrfNumber,

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Printed AS Printed, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Date AS
DateIssued, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Description,

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_out AS fromEnrolID,
tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_in AS toEnrolID,

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Amount AS AmtTransferred FROM tbl_Transfer;"

          rsINfromDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsOUT"

          rsINtoDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsIN"



          ?Assign recordsources to the three subforms under tab user just
clicked on

          mainTrfINfrm.RecordSource = rsIN    ?Where mainTrfINform is a form
object previously set

          detailTrfINfrom.RecordSource = rsINfromDetails

          detailTrfINto.RecordSource = rsINtoDetails

          etc
.

  Any ideas?

  Cheers
  David ????
  Ext 0751
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  2 18:56:46 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:56:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F67F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

...and all custom properties, methods, and events appeared where they should be?  As I recall the issue I had (and the speaker at the event I mentioned) was either custom events not appearing in the custom object's event list (and not appearing in the property window's event list) were therefore inaccessible.

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Yes, I have written custom controls that work in Access 97. (Not a combo box
though...)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Are you implying that you've successfully done this?  Any custom ocx I've
written (and others) don't quite work as well in Access  as VB (A97 in my
experience).  

I can't remember the shortcomings offhand but as an example, I was at an
Advisor.com event a few years back and the topic was creating custom
controls in VB6.  The speaker got bold after mentioning how this control
would work in any development tool that supported ActiveX and decided to
show us how he could drop it on an Access form and use it.  I had already
tried this bright idea and had a strong feeling it would fail and it did.  
Sorry for no details.  I guess if someone wanted I could dig up my results.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  2 19:15:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:15:31 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272A6@main2.marlow.com>

Events showed up on the code page, but the property page didn't show
anything....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


...and all custom properties, methods, and events appeared where they should
be?  As I recall the issue I had (and the speaker at the event I mentioned)
was either custom events not appearing in the custom object's event list
(and not appearing in the property window's event list) were therefore
inaccessible.

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Yes, I have written custom controls that work in Access 97. (Not a combo box
though...)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Are you implying that you've successfully done this?  Any custom ocx I've
written (and others) don't quite work as well in Access  as VB (A97 in my
experience).  

I can't remember the shortcomings offhand but as an example, I was at an
Advisor.com event a few years back and the topic was creating custom
controls in VB6.  The speaker got bold after mentioning how this control
would work in any development tool that supported ActiveX and decided to
show us how he could drop it on an Access form and use it.  I had already
tried this bright idea and had a strong feeling it would fail and it did.  
Sorry for no details.  I guess if someone wanted I could dig up my results.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Just build a new combo box John.  Grin.  Blow the dust off of VB 6.0, and
make an .ocx.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's true for data entry, but I am building a search combo for data that
is more than one field, thus a form has to open.

And my original solution isn't working for all instances.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


That's generally the way I handle it as well, although I may create the
basic new record from code and then pop up a form so they can add any
additional data that's needed if the situation warrants it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


As a terrible typist, I agree with Charlotte.  I actually like that it
waits until you leave; in some apps I grab that "NewData", pop a msgbox,
and if the user responds yes, perform an insert of the NewData (avoiding
the input form) , grab the new id, re-query the cbo, and select the
newly added item.  If they answer No, I clear what they typed and drop
down the cbo.

Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


Wouldn't that get annoying if someone was simply not a very good typist?
Waiting for the afterupdate event at least allows the user to correct
their typing errors.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


>The behavior you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Precisely, and that is what I was trying to say.  If the properties for
LimitToList and AutoExpand are set true, then some event (LimitToList?)
should IMMEDIATELY fire if the user is no longer matching data in the
combo. In fact it only seems to fire if the user attempts to LEAVE the
combo and the data doesn't match something in the list.  Seems silly to
me to not fire immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CBO Not In List


I have implemented a similar scheme based on a callback combo source.
When the form initially loads, it opens with a narrow set of values and
as items are  not found in the list, the combo is repopulated with a
progressively wider range of possible values.  The logic behind the
method was that users spent over 95% of their time working on active
records but occasionally needed to look up records that might become
active, records that have been closed and records that have been
archived all from a single lookup.  It the item ulimately was 'not in
list', the procedure allowed for adding the item.
  The approach allowed for checking a single record 'current' flag for
each globally available list source meaning that the data was all cached
locally and only refreshed when a single record time stamp indicated the
necessity resulting in a drastic reduction in overall LAN congestion.

I disagree with your statement that the combo should beep when a not in
list is discovered.  One of the parameters for the not in list is the
contents of the combo when the list fires and I always use this
parameter to populate fields in the new record.  It would be very
annoying to users accustomed to entering new records in a combo to have
it beep 30 or 50 times at them as they add new records.  I believe that
the purpose of the implementation of the event is to allow users to
enter new records directly into the combo rather than notify them to get
out, yet still use the combo as a record locator.

The counter argument to allowing such easy entry of new items is that
miskeyed or misspelled text strings are easily accidentally entered as
duplicate records but it is possible to use the same, 'as you type'
record checking routine to search for likely matches and for the
ultimate not in list event to first pop a list of soundex matches from
which to choose before permitting the addition of the record.  None of
my data entry forms have a 'new record' button as I make them search/add
new records via combo boxes exclusively.  I also find it peculiar that
those who argue that misspellings and the ease of adding new records in
this fashion makes for the liklihood of accidental duplicate records, it
is just as easy for a person to punch the new record button on a data
entry form and never see whether the record had been previously entered.
Also, the use of a single record table flag to indicate that records
have been edited or added ensures that if the possiblity exists of
multiple users getting the same data concurrently and each adding the
same record since there combo was last filled is greatly reduced.

The behaviour you propose would be more beneficial for combos that are
limited to list, enabling users to get early warning that their entry is
invalid or miskeyed.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] CBO Not In List
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:29:40 -0400
>
>I want to use the NotInList to open an initial data entry form if the
>person searched for isn't in the database, else open a tabbed form if
>they are.  I have this working using NotInList to open the IDE form and

>the after update to open the tabbed form to the record of the person
>found in the combo.
>
>However, what I want to do now is to have the combo start beeping as
>the person types if the item is not in the list.  IOW, NotInList only
>fires as the user EXITS the combo and the item is not in the list.
>However if the user is typing in a person's name - JOHN COLBY, and by
>the time she types the O in COLBY the combo is not finding the name,
>the combo should start beeping so that the user is notified to stop
>typing and tab out to trigger NotInList and open the data entry form -
>or even programatically tab out and trigger the NotInList.
>
>It seems like it could be accomplished by checking the insertion point
>and the length of the data in the combo.  If the data exists, the
>insertion point is in the middle of the data that the combo is
>following, whereas as soon as the data is not found, the insertion
>point is at the end of the data.  IOW, if the insertion point is at the

>end of the data TWICE, then we are at a true "not found" and trigger
>NotInList.  In fact it seems like the combo should have been built this

>way to begin with.
>
>Has anyone ever done this?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu Oct  2 19:29:23 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:29:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
In-Reply-To: <1364909819.20031001100423@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <022101c38945$658a5860$7d1b8a90@bbb888>

Also, ask them if they are willing to pay you 8% per day BONUS for
completion early.  When they give you the usual reply you can then start
negotiating the completion requirements - i.e. no bonus then no penalty.
Otherwise thank them for the opportunity for discussing a good example
of a win-lose negotiation technique and refer them to any of the
management skills courses offered after 1640.

Bruce

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 6:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Project Official Start


Hi Hadyn

This "yes" is nothing more than a "Declaration of Intention" which on
its own has some value though not being an agreement.

I would not sign or negotiate anything before specs are settled as these
are the foundation for any further discussion. Whether you or the client
carries the cost for writing the specs doesn't matter.

Then, don't accept 8%. Where does this figure come from? If you can't
avoid it, go for 3% for each 14 days so you can reach a compromise at
about 5% each 10 days (which, by the way, is just as arbitrary as 3% or
8% or 1 or 2 weeks). Further, only major missing items from the specs
(do include a list of these in the final agreement) should release this
penalty, not minor tweaks as correction of spelling errors in menu items
and the like. 

Also, have a firm agreement on how long time the client can use for
approving your app after you have installed a revised version. And, if
the client cannot approve it, he has to specify in writing exactly what
is missing according to the specs. If he delays this action, the same
amount of days are added to your 11 weeks up to a maximum of, say, one
week per approval after which your app will be regarded as approved
whether the client has signed or not.

/gustav


> When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 
> 'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and

> now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't 
> deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of 
> project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are 
> late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and 
> have suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be 
> allowed to charge them for the extra time.

> Any thoughts?

> Kind regards
> Hadyn

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu Oct  2 19:34:22 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:34:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
In-Reply-To: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIAEFICLAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>
Message-ID: <022201c38946$17fabc10$7d1b8a90@bbb888>

This may help, see especially the reference to C3 in the wiki
www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html

Rgrds
Bruce

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec.  We have
spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost.  It is based on a web
application that was built and paid for on an hourly basis, because
again they did not want to pay for a spec.  ~40% of the cost of it could
have been avoided on the stuff they requested then changed their minds
about.

They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
would like to keep them as a client.  Then again I don't want to be
royally screwed either :(

Hadyn

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Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 1999 be
damned.

IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses before
defining what it is the developer is supposed to be developing is a
client looking to screw a developer and get something for nothing. This
is a HUGE red flag.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: Developer at ultradnt.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400

>Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk away from a
>client like this?
>
>BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
>contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I can't get 
>out of it, a little networking)
>
>Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
>
>As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in writing ... I 
>have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old system's data
>because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
>and
>they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
>...
>This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
>keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
>... As
>long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though,
>since
>they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
>stops"
>when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
>whatever.
>Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
>you
>could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
>the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
>this
>contract", for example).
>
>Hth,
>Steve
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
>
>
>When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 
>'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and
>now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
>deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
>project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
>late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
>have
>suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
>allowed
>to charge them for the extra time.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Kind regards
>Hadyn
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 19:38:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:38:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)
References: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE5@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <003301c38946$9e338b40$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)David

...rather than write a tome on what you are and are not doing, please go to www.colbyconsulting.com and dl JC's JIT sample db ...its documented pretty well ...each of us has their own flavor of this but JC's will get you on a much faster path ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Fenton 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:56 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)


  Charlotte and William, you have both got me thinking! 

  Yes I do use the Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource). 

  When the user clicks on each tab I assign an SQL string to the recordsource of the subforms under that tabb, the form opens the record source and each child subform does it's master/child filtering. All is well, but it IS slow. Is this the accepted way to do it? Because if you are saying it should be faster, then I'd like to do it properly so that it IS faster on my application. I must be doing something wrong.

  A sample of my code:

    .

          Case 6   ' Transfers IN

          'Simple procedure to remove recordsources from forms hidden when user leaves previous tab

                  ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferOUT.Form)

                  ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsOUT.Form)

                  ClearRecordSource (Forms!frmEN_AddEnrolmentFees!sfrmTransferDetailsIN.Form)

          'Set up the recordsource strings for the three visible subforms (master and two children)

              Dim rsIN As String 'Master subform recordsource

          Dim rsINfromDetails As String  'child 1 subform recordsource

          Dim rsINtoDetails As String 'child 2 subform recordsource

          'Assign the strings to the variables

      rsIN = "SELECT tbl_Transfer.Trf_ID AS TransferID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Num AS TrfNumber, 

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Printed AS Printed, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Date AS DateIssued, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Description,

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_out AS fromEnrolID, tbl_Transfer.Trf_Enrol_ID_in AS toEnrolID, 

      tbl_Transfer.Trf_Amount AS AmtTransferred FROM tbl_Transfer;"

          rsINfromDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsOUT"

          rsINtoDetails = "qryEN_FI_TransferDetailsIN"

      

          'Assign recordsources to the three subforms under tab user just clicked on

          mainTrfINfrm.RecordSource = rsIN    'Where mainTrfINform is a form object previously set

          detailTrfINfrom.RecordSource = rsINfromDetails

          detailTrfINto.RecordSource = rsINtoDetails

          etc..

  Any ideas?

  Cheers
  David ????
  Ext 0751 

  Your messages:

  Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:31:12 -0700

  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

          <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

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          <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312342 at infoserver01.infostat.local>

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  Why are they waiting for records to be filtered?  Aren't you also setting the master and child links for the subforms?  That is generally a much faster way to filter a subform than changing the recordsource.

  Charlotte Foust

  ........................................................

  Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:26 -0400

  From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>

  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

          <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

  Message-ID: <002601c38935$321980b0$6001a8c0 at dejpolsys>

  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases...something wrong there David ...I use JIT to speed up a db, not slow it down :(((

  William Hindman



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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 19:46:56 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:46:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
Message-ID: <002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

Susan H.


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu Oct  2 20:16:26 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:16:26 +1000
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Project Official Start
Message-ID: <000001c3894b$f917b9a0$7d1b8a90@bbb888>

Woops!  Too quick on the send button.

I am currently neck deep in a consultancy project for a large company
who are looking to "shortcut" system development methods as there
current methods have become too bogged down in detail and have resulted
in a situation where the price of a development is too high because of
the development methodology, the number of people involved and the level
of detail required in every deliverable at each stage of a process that
has become soooo waterfall it's crippling.  

They however, have a good attitude to the fact that systems must be
built from a design which comes from an agreed set of requirements.  The
problem is that the process has become and end in itself - i.e. every
issue has a resolution of "follow the process" but the process itself
doesn't answer the questions:
	1) What are we trying to build
	2) How are we going to build it
	3) How long will it take

When I arrived the developers, strangely enough, are the ones that were
crying - "we don't need requirements and design documents".  After some
weeks of getting them to explain how they were going to answer the above
fundamental questions without some level of documentation and providing
them with options that may just allow that - the so called "agile"
methods like eXtreme programming and the like - we came across the
following amusing little tale: www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html

Of particular interest regarding the "don't want to pay for a spec"
clients is section 25.  However the real point of this message is the
spectacular failure of the C3 project at Chrysler - so much for extreme
programming!  The link for that story is at
http://c2.com.cgi.wiki?CthreeProjectTerminated and relates the tale of
woe (?) Kent Beck is spreading about the failure of that project and as
far as I'm concerned the failure of the "its 2 o'clock, why aren't we
coding" brigade and all their fancy ideas...

I would also like to point out to Hadyn the famous CHAOS report from The
Standish Group, which although a bit dated still is relevant regarding
the facts:
	1) MOST IT projects fail - in their study in 1996 only 26% of
projects completed on time and within budget.
	2) A significant number of the failures were due to REQUIREMENTS
related aspects, such as "unclear requirements", "incomplete
requirements", "realistic expectations", "clear vision and objectives".
(these total around a third of the cited primary failure reasons)

I would like to include the site for the "Chaos report" but I cant find
it.

Hth
Bruce



-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 10:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


This may help, see especially the reference to C3 in the wiki
www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html

Rgrds
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec.  We have
spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost.  It is based on a web
application that was built and paid for on an hourly basis, because
again they did not want to pay for a spec.  ~40% of the cost of it could
have been avoided on the stuff they requested then changed their minds
about.

They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
would like to keep them as a client.  Then again I don't want to be
royally screwed either :(

Hadyn

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 1999 be
damned.

IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses before
defining what it is the developer is supposed to be developing is a
client looking to screw a developer and get something for nothing. This
is a HUGE red flag.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: Developer at ultradnt.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400

>Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk away from a

>client like this?
>
>BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
>contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I can't get
>out of it, a little networking)
>
>Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
>
>As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in writing ... I
>have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old system's data
>because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
>and
>they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
>...
>This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
>keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
>... As
>long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though,
>since
>they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
>stops"
>when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
>whatever.
>Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
>you
>could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
>the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
>this
>contract", for example).
>
>Hth,
>Steve
>
>
>
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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
>
>
>When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said
>'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and
>now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
>deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
>project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
>late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
>have
>suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
>allowed
>to charge them for the extra time.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Kind regards
>Hadyn
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 20:32:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:32:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
References: <000001c3894b$f917b9a0$7d1b8a90@bbb888>
Message-ID: <000801c3894e$3f6dca00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

http://www.standishgroup.com/chaos/toc.php

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: "'AccessD'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:16 PM
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Project Official Start


> Woops!  Too quick on the send button.
> 
> I am currently neck deep in a consultancy project for a large company
> who are looking to "shortcut" system development methods as there
> current methods have become too bogged down in detail and have resulted
> in a situation where the price of a development is too high because of
> the development methodology, the number of people involved and the level
> of detail required in every deliverable at each stage of a process that
> has become soooo waterfall it's crippling.  
> 
> They however, have a good attitude to the fact that systems must be
> built from a design which comes from an agreed set of requirements.  The
> problem is that the process has become and end in itself - i.e. every
> issue has a resolution of "follow the process" but the process itself
> doesn't answer the questions:
> 1) What are we trying to build
> 2) How are we going to build it
> 3) How long will it take
> 
> When I arrived the developers, strangely enough, are the ones that were
> crying - "we don't need requirements and design documents".  After some
> weeks of getting them to explain how they were going to answer the above
> fundamental questions without some level of documentation and providing
> them with options that may just allow that - the so called "agile"
> methods like eXtreme programming and the like - we came across the
> following amusing little tale: www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html
> 
> Of particular interest regarding the "don't want to pay for a spec"
> clients is section 25.  However the real point of this message is the
> spectacular failure of the C3 project at Chrysler - so much for extreme
> programming!  The link for that story is at
> http://c2.com.cgi.wiki?CthreeProjectTerminated and relates the tale of
> woe (?) Kent Beck is spreading about the failure of that project and as
> far as I'm concerned the failure of the "its 2 o'clock, why aren't we
> coding" brigade and all their fancy ideas...
> 
> I would also like to point out to Hadyn the famous CHAOS report from The
> Standish Group, which although a bit dated still is relevant regarding
> the facts:
> 1) MOST IT projects fail - in their study in 1996 only 26% of
> projects completed on time and within budget.
> 2) A significant number of the failures were due to REQUIREMENTS
> related aspects, such as "unclear requirements", "incomplete
> requirements", "realistic expectations", "clear vision and objectives".
> (these total around a third of the cited primary failure reasons)
> 
> I would like to include the site for the "Chaos report" but I cant find
> it.
> 
> Hth
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
> Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 10:34 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> This may help, see especially the reference to C3 in the wiki
> www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html
> 
> Rgrds
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 2:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec.  We have
> spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost.  It is based on a web
> application that was built and paid for on an hourly basis, because
> again they did not want to pay for a spec.  ~40% of the cost of it could
> have been avoided on the stuff they requested then changed their minds
> about.
> 
> They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
> would like to keep them as a client.  Then again I don't want to be
> royally screwed either :(
> 
> Hadyn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
> Hawkins
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> 
> 
> You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 1999 be
> damned.
> 
> IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses before
> defining what it is the developer is supposed to be developing is a
> client looking to screw a developer and get something for nothing. This
> is a HUGE red flag.
> 
> -Christopher-
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: Developer at ultradnt.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400
> 
> >Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk away from a
> 
> >client like this?
> >
> >BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
> >contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I can't get
> >out of it, a little networking)
> >
> >Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
> >
> >As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in writing ... I
> >have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old system's data
> >because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
> >and
> >they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
> >...
> >This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
> >keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
> >... As
> >long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though,
> >since
> >they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
> >stops"
> >when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
> >whatever.
> >Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
> >you
> >could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
> >the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
> >this
> >contract", for example).
> >
> >Hth,
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
> >To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
> >
> >
> >When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said
> >'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and
> >now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
> >deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
> >project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
> >late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
> >have
> >suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
> >allowed
> >to charge them for the extra time.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Kind regards
> >Hadyn
> >
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Fri Oct  3 00:28:01 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:58:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
References: <002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <002101c3896f$596e1e70$e3edf73d@winxp>

Susan,

    Let the table T_Books consist of fields Author(text), Title(text) and RefDate(date type). Both the following statements will append a record having Null value in the date field -

    (a) If default value of RefDate is not Null -
        DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                "(Author, Title, RefDate)  " & _
                "Values('AAA',  'TTT' , Null) ;"

    (b) If default value of RefDate is already set as Null -    
        DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
            "(Author, Title)  " & _
            "Values('AAA',  'TTT') ;"

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 06:16
  Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


  I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
  appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
  no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

  Susan H.

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From liam at energyexhausts.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 01:23:15 2003
From: liam at energyexhausts.co.uk (Liam Meadows)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:23:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MDB vs SQL ODBC
Message-ID: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB782@energys1.energy.local>

Hi All
Just a quick Question, Am I right in thinking that if you use an Access
MDB with FE/BE over a network the Front End has to pull the Back End
over to the local machine then action it ?
If so does an SQL Server ODBC Back End Behave in the same way ?

Regards

Liam

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct  3 01:25:23 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:25:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDB vs SQL ODBC
In-Reply-To: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB782@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <3F7DA2F3.24241.54291A5B@localhost>

On 3 Oct 2003 at 7:23, Liam Meadows wrote:

> Hi All
> Just a quick Question, Am I right in thinking that if you use an Access
> MDB with FE/BE over a network the Front End has to pull the Back End
> over to the local machine then action it ?
> If so does an SQL Server ODBC Back End Behave in the same way ?
> 

It behaves the same way if you just link the tables and manipulate the 
data in your front end using standard queries, recordsets etc

The big advantage of SQL Server is that you can use Views and Stored 
Procedures. In that case, the work is done by the BE and all that gets 
sent over the network is the result set


-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Oct  3 04:13:00 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:13:00 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] A97 OpenRecordSet
Message-ID: <52339DF8DCA2A544AF660C8217EB7DCD0227F283@MAILGATE.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

When you open a DAO recordset

Set rs=db.OpenRecordSet(MySQL,dbOpenDynaset,[options],[lockedits])

does anyone know the default settings for the other two parameters options
and lockedits

Many thanks

Richard


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 04:59:55 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:59:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 OpenRecordSet
Message-ID: <20031003095952.E6C722346C8@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  3 05:28:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:28:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MDB vs SQL ODBC
In-Reply-To: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB782@energys1.energy.local>
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB782@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <8912798262.20031003122806@cactus.dk>

Hi Liam

> Just a quick Question, Am I right in thinking that if you use an Access
> MDB with FE/BE over a network the Front End has to pull the Back End
> over to the local machine then action it ?

No, only data needed are retrieved. What data is needed is strongly
dependant of what data you request and which indexes you have built.

/gustav


From askolits at ot.com  Fri Oct  3 06:20:06 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:20:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFEEMBDEAA.askolits@ot.com>

Bericht Shell with regserv32" That does in fact work but this is cleaner.
On occasion I have had problems with it not registering the dll. I never
figured out why. This worked. So I rather than spend a lot of time figuring
it out,
I just use this code. The other nice thing is this will tell me if the
registration was successful. I never figured out how to get the 'shell'
command to do that.
There probably is an obvious answer to that but I never saw it.

John


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:41 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


  should that not be regsvr32 ???
  I always used this.
    -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
    Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John Skolits
    Verzonden: donderdag 2 oktober 2003 20:25
    Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


    Here ya' go. Found this on the web. To use it, just paste all the code
below the line into a module. Then, run the code:

    call RegDLL("c:\winnt\system32\COMDLG32.OCX",TRUE).

    You can put any dll file in there you want. Include the path.

    Place a true or false in there if you want a message box to show up.

    John Skolits
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  3 07:49:08 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:49:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE2@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEEMHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databasesDavid,

  The table reference limit is 2048 for JET 3.6 and up.  See my earlier
post.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:18 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases


  Thanks for your feedback and advice John. The MVPS article (although
referring to ACC97) indirectly led me to believe that Jet 3.6 allowed 2048
references since the old Jet allowed 1024. Given what you have mentioned, I
would be most definitely over the 128 limit then. I have tried the ?Just in
time? method and have found it to be painfully slow. The user clicks on a
tab and has to wait for the records to be filtered into the subform. I put
the recordsource SQL string in a Case statement linked to the tab control.
Perhaps I need to review the filtering or something.


  Cheers
  David ????
  Brisbane

  Australia


  Your message was:

  Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:30:02 -0400

  From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Can't open any more databases

  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

          <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

  Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBFDAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Can't open any more databasesIn fact the number is no where near that, at
least for a2K.  Something like 128.  This includes ALL queries (combos,
lists, recordsets, forms, subforms, reports etc) open at one time.  I ran
into this in a very complex form when they had several other forms open.

  One thing I'd suggest if it works for you is "Just in time" subforms on
the tabs.  The idea is to load the subforms on tabs as they are clicked on
and unload them as the next tab is clicked on. John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From liam at energyexhausts.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 08:04:35 2003
From: liam at energyexhausts.co.uk (Liam Meadows)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:04:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
Message-ID: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>

Bit light on post's today or is it just me ?
 
Also
 
What would be the best way to do a scrolling marquee kind of thin in an
access form, like a ticker news thingy ?
 
Liam
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct  3 08:13:05 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 08:13:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: A97 OpenRecordSet
In-Reply-To: <200310030913.h939Dpe26181@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003080908.0254a888@pop3.highstream.net>

Direct from HELP (MSA 2002):

Settings
You can use one of the following constants for the type argument.
ConstantDescription
dbOpenTableOpens a table-type Recordset object (Microsoft Jet workspaces 
only).
dbOpenDynamicOpens a dynamic-type Recordset object, which is similar to an 
ODBC dynamic cursor. (ODBCDirect workspaces only)
dbOpenDynasetOpens a dynaset-type Recordset object, which is similar to an 
ODBC keyset cursor.
dbOpenSnapshotOpens a snapshot-type Recordset object, which is similar to 
an ODBC static cursor.
dbOpenForwardOnly Opens a forward-only-type Recordset object.
Note If you open a Recordset in a Microsoft Jet workspace and you don't 
specify a type, OpenRecordset creates a table-type Recordset, if possible. 
If you specify a linked table or query, OpenRecordset creates a 
dynaset-type Recordset. In an ODBCDirect workspace, the default setting is 
dbOpenForwardOnly.
You can use a combination of the following constants for the options argument.
ConstantDescription
dbAppendOnlyAllows users to append new records to the Recordset, but 
prevents them from editing or deleting existing records (Microsoft Jet 
dynaset-type Recordset only).
dbSQLPassThroughPasses an SQL statement to a Microsoft Jet-connected ODBC 
data source for processing (Microsoft Jet snapshot-type Recordset only).
dbSeeChangesGenerates a run-time error if one user is changing data that 
another user is editing (Microsoft Jet dynaset-type Recordset only). This 
is useful in applications where multiple users have simultaneous read/write 
access to the same data.
dbDenyWritePrevents other users from modifying or adding records (Microsoft 
Jet Recordset objects only).
dbDenyReadPrevents other users from reading data in a table (Microsoft Jet 
table-type Recordset only).
dbForwardOnlyCreates a forward-only Recordset (Microsoft Jet snapshot-type 
Recordset only). It is provided only for backward compatibility, and you 
should use the dbOpenForwardOnly constant in the type argument instead of 
using this option.
dbReadOnlyPrevents users from making changes to the Recordset (Microsoft 
Jet only). The dbReadOnly constant in the lockedits argument replaces this 
option, which is provided only for backward compatibility.
dbRunAsyncRuns an asynchronous query (ODBCDirect workspaces only).
dbExecDirectRuns a query by skipping SQLPrepare and directly calling 
SQLExecDirect (ODBCDirect workspaces only). Use this option only when 
you?re not opening a Recordset based on a parameter query. For more 
information, see the "Microsoft ODBC 3.0 Programmer?s Reference."
dbInconsistentAllows inconsistent updates (Microsoft Jet dynaset-type and 
snapshot-type Recordset objects only).
dbConsistentAllows only consistent updates (Microsoft Jet dynaset-type and 
snapshot-type Recordset objects only).
Note The constants dbConsistent and dbInconsistent are mutually exclusive, 
and using both causes an error. Supplying a lockedits argument when options 
uses the dbReadOnly constant also causes an error.
You can use the following constants for the lockedits argument.
ConstantDescription
dbReadOnlyPrevents users from making changes to the Recordset (default for 
ODBCDirect workspaces). You can use dbReadOnly in either the options 
argument or the lockedits argument, but not both. If you use it for both 
arguments, a run-time error occurs.
dbPessimisticUses pessimistic locking to determine how changes are made to 
the Recordset in a multiuser environment. The page containing the record 
you're editing is locked as soon as you use the Edit method (default for 
Microsoft Jet workspaces).
dbOptimisticUses optimistic locking to determine how changes are made to 
the Recordset in a multiuser environment. The page containing the record is 
not locked until the Update method is executed.
dbOptimisticValueUses optimistic concurrency based on row values 
(ODBCDirect workspaces only).
dbOptimisticBatchEnables batch optimistic updating (ODBCDirect workspaces 
only).
Remarks
In a Microsoft Jet workspace, if object refers to a QueryDef object, or a 
dynaset- or snapshot-type Recordset, or if source refers to an SQL 
statement or a TableDef that represents a linked table, you can't use 
dbOpenTable for the type argument; if you do, a run-time error occurs. If 
you want to use an SQL pass-through query on a linked table in a Microsoft 
Jet-connected ODBC data source, you must first set the Connect property of 
the linked table's database to a valid ODBC connection string. If you only 
need to make a single pass through a Recordset opened from a Microsoft 
Jet-connected ODBC data source, you can improve performance by using 
dbOpenForwardOnly for the type argument.
If object refers to a dynaset- or snapshot-type Recordset, the new 
Recordset is of the same type object. If object refers to a table-type 
Recordset object, the type of the new object is a dynaset-type Recordset. 
You can't open new Recordset objects from forward-only?type or ODBCDirect 
Recordset objects.

At 04:13 AM 10/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:13:00 +0100
>From: "Griffiths, Richard" <R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk>
>Subject: [AccessD] A97 OpenRecordSet
>To: "'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <52339DF8DCA2A544AF660C8217EB7DCD0227F283 at MAILGATE.bury.gov.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>Hi Group
>
>When you open a DAO recordset
>
>Set rs=db.OpenRecordSet(MySQL,dbOpenDynaset,[options],[lockedits])
>
>does anyone know the default settings for the other two parameters options
>and lockedits
>
>Many thanks
>
>Richard



From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri Oct  3 08:27:47 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:27:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Friday humour!  ;-)
Message-ID: <OFAFD2CF7B.009085EB-ON86256DB4.0049C6C0@cbsol.com>


Client afflictions - sound familiar?  ;-)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20030929

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20030930

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20031001

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20031002

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20031003

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions



From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Fri Oct  3 08:27:07 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:27:07 -0400 
Subject: FW: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03085CF450@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

Why are these text files being attached to some emails from this list?  I
ask because our system is set up to rescan all email when a new virus
definition update is applied, and opening these emails is delayed while they
are rescanned.  This is a pain, especially when the attachment has nothing
of value (and I include vcards with no value attachments.)
 
Christian Brock
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Thursday, 02 October 2003 15:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct  3 08:33:16 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:33:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F683@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

AFAIK it's got to do with not posting using plain text format.  I changed mine to plain text a while back and no more attachments with my posts.

HTH, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria [mailto:Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: FW: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


Why are these text files being attached to some emails from this list?  I ask because our system is set up to rescan all email when a new virus definition update is applied, and opening these emails is delayed while they are rescanned.  This is a pain, especially when the attachment has nothing of value (and I include vcards with no value attachments.)
 
Christian Brock
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Thursday, 02 October 2003 15:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


 



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  3 08:41:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:41:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F683@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEGPFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Uhhhh... this email came in with an attachment.   8-)

The contents read:

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


AFAIK it's got to do with not posting using plain text format.  I changed
mine to plain text a while back and no more attachments with my posts.
HTH,
Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
-----Original Message-----
From: Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria
[mailto:Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: FW: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


Why are these text files being attached to some emails from this list?  I
ask because our system is set up to rescan all email when a new virus
definition update is applied, and opening these emails is delayed while they
are rescanned.  This is a pain, especially when the attachment has nothing
of value (and I include vcards with no value attachments.)

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, 02 October 2003 15:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's





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confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
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contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct  3 09:01:33 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:01:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
References: <002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE>
	<002101c3896f$596e1e70$e3edf73d@winxp>
Message-ID: <007201c389b7$7a8bd230$220110ac@SUSANONE>

I tried inserting Null and it didn't seem to work -- but let me try again! ;) I want to avoid changing the actual structure, because some records will have a date, some won't -- but that is an option I've considered, but am hoping to avoid if possible. Thanks!

Susan H. 


  Susan,

      Let the table T_Books consist of fields Author(text), Title(text) and RefDate(date type). Both the following statements will append a record having Null value in the date field -

      (a) If default value of RefDate is not Null -
          DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                  "(Author, Title, RefDate)  " & _
                  "Values('AAA',  'TTT' , Null) ;"

      (b) If default value of RefDate is already set as Null -    
          DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
              "(Author, Title)  " & _
              "Values('AAA',  'TTT') ;"

  Regards,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Susan Harkins 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 06:16
    Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


    I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
    appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
    no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

    Susan H.



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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri Oct  3 09:14:24 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:14:24 -0400
Subject: Attachments was (RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's)
Message-ID: <sf7d4c13.065@cbc.ca>

Yep.  If the poster sends HTML mail to the list only then the list
fotter comes across as an attachement to the HTML mail.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> jcolby at colbyconsulting.com 03-Oct-03 9:41:05 AM >>>
Uhhhh... this email came in with an attachment.   8-)

The contents read:

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


AFAIK it's got to do with not posting using plain text format.  I
changed
mine to plain text a while back and no more attachments with my posts.
HTH,


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct  3 09:55:37 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:55:37 -0400
Subject: Follow up: Re: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
References: 	<002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE><002101c3896f$596e1e70$e3edf73d@winxp>
	<007201c389b7$7a8bd230$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <001c01c389be$6956e5c0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Thanks -- forcing the Null did work after all. I guess when I was working on it last night I just didn't follow through long enough. I tried a Date and a String variable and neither seemed to work. This morning I changed the variable to a Variant and set it to "Null" -- and it's working now. Thanks so much.

Susan H. 


  I tried inserting Null and it didn't seem to work -- but let me try again! ;) I want to avoid changing the actual structure, because some records will have a date, some won't -- but that is an option I've considered, but am hoping to avoid if possible. Thanks!

  Susan H. 

   
    Susan,

        Let the table T_Books consist of fields Author(text), Title(text) and RefDate(date type). Both the following statements will append a record having Null value in the date field -

        (a) If default value of RefDate is not Null -
            DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                    "(Author, Title, RefDate)  " & _
                    "Values('AAA',  'TTT' , Null) ;"

        (b) If default value of RefDate is already set as Null -    
            DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                "(Author, Title)  " & _
                "Values('AAA',  'TTT') ;"

    Regards,
    A.D.Tejpal
    --------------
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Susan Harkins 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 06:16
      Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


      I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
      appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
      no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

      Susan H.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 09:56:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:56:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312344@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I can't honestly say that there is a best way.  In VB, you do it with a
timer, but timers in Access are built into the forms and tend to have
annoying side effects.  Your best bet might be a third party activex
control.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Liam Meadows [mailto:liam at energyexhausts.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee


Bit light on post's today or is it just me ?
 
Also
 
What would be the best way to do a scrolling marquee kind of thin in an
access form, like a ticker news thingy ?
 
Liam

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct  3 09:58:53 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:58:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F685@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Funny I set it to plain text yet it showed up as Rich Text.  Let's see how this one makes it.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


Uhhhh... this email came in with an attachment.   8-)

The contents read:

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


AFAIK it's got to do with not posting using plain text format.  I changed
mine to plain text a while back and no more attachments with my posts.
HTH,
Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
-----Original Message-----
From: Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria
[mailto:Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: FW: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's


Why are these text files being attached to some emails from this list?  I
ask because our system is set up to rescan all email when a new virus
definition update is applied, and opening these emails is delayed while they
are rescanned.  This is a pain, especially when the attachment has nothing
of value (and I include vcards with no value attachments.)

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, 02 October 2003 15:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Registrering DLL's





****************************************************************************
*******
"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is
confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address
noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended
recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and
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***********************************************************************************


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  3 10:22:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:22:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <11130434562.20031003172203@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 10:30:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:30:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312348@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFL  Unbiased comparison indeed!  I wonder if the author ever built an
Access database.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

_______________________________________________
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Oct  3 10:41:13 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:41:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
In-Reply-To: <11130434562.20031003172203@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000001c389c4$c6e2bf10$de1811d8@DanWaters>

This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that Alpha-5
is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

_______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  3 10:42:50 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:42:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312348@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312348@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1431681986.20031003174250@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

I guess not. How on Earth could he/she have accomplished that?

For a further laugh - revealing another heavy competitor to Alpha,
browse this:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031005.htm

Note close to the bottom this gem which which proves that Alt+F11 was
disabled during the "test":

"Build scripts or access a full programming language to process data
and build user fully customized professional user interfaces."

/gustav


> ROTFL  Unbiased comparison indeed!  I wonder if the author ever built an
> Access database.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


> Hi all

> Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
> Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

>   http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

> /gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 10:50:01 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:50:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, but only developers know the difference!  Actually, I've had emails
from people I steered to Alpha5 because they wanted something that
anyone could build in 5 minutes and insisted Access should be able to do
it if the programmers weren't trying to keep the novices out by making
it complicated.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that
Alpha-5 is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

_______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 10:52:39 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:52:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Nothing like comparing apples to oranges, is there?   Especially when
you're colorblind and have no tastebuds!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi Charlotte

I guess not. How on Earth could he/she have accomplished that?

For a further laugh - revealing another heavy competitor to Alpha,
browse this:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031005.htm

Note close to the bottom this gem which which proves that Alt+F11 was
disabled during the "test":

"Build scripts or access a full programming language to process data and
build user fully customized professional user interfaces."

/gustav


> ROTFL  Unbiased comparison indeed!  I wonder if the author ever built 
> an Access database.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


> Hi all

> Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
> Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

>   http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

> /gustav

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  3 10:57:08 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:57:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
In-Reply-To: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEJGELAA.john@winhaven.net>

MessageLiam
I've used the FMS marquee control and it works fine on NT OSs. It also works
OK on 9x OSs but when mouse is moved irradically the speed of the marquee
changes-nothing that's a show stopper, just a bit odd. It's part of their
Total Access Components pack.

HTH
John B.
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  Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee


  Bit light on post's today or is it just me ?

  Also

  What would be the best way to do a scrolling marquee kind of thin in an
access form, like a ticker news thingy ?

  Liam
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct  3 11:06:32 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:06:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
In-Reply-To: <200310031543.h93Fh6e15628@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003110352.025d9e90@pop3.highstream.net>

Gee, does that mean that I can get my record of 6 hours from scratch to a 
fully working and deployed application in Access down to just over 1 hour 
if I use Alpha 5.

Now isn't that poetic.

;-))))

Robert

At 10:43 AM 10/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:30:26 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312348 at infoserver01.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>ROTFL  Unbiased comparison indeed!  I wonder if the author ever built an
>Access database.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
>
>
>Hi all
>
>Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
>Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:
>
>   http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm
>
>/gustav



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 11:11:18 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:11:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Here's a quote from a coworker after viewing the comparison:

Don't scoff!  I've heard that using Alpha can help regrow hair, build
lean muscle and melt fat away while you not program.  There are many
testimonials that people met their soul-mate and unexpectedly received 2
million dollars from a long lost relative that they didn't know they
had!  It also keeps your toaster from breaking!  Besides, it uses fonts
- can Access do that??


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Fri Oct  3 11:50:36 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:20:36 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value
References: 	<002c01c38947$d9d368e0$220110ac@SUSANONE><002101c3896f$596e1e70$e3edf73d@winxp>
	<007201c389b7$7a8bd230$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <004e01c389ce$b0de41d0$18f95f3d@winxp>

Susan,

    Apparently you are yet to try out the suggestions. It would be nice if you could kindly do so and  then  confirm the outcome.

    It may kindly be noted that there is no need at all to worry about  changing the structure of data table. If you  know  that the table does not carry any default value in the date field, go for the simpler statement i.e. (b). If in any doubt, stick to the one at (a) which is effective in all cases.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 19:31
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


  I tried inserting Null and it didn't seem to work -- but let me try again! ;) I want to avoid changing the actual structure, because some records will have a date, some won't -- but that is an option I've considered, but am hoping to avoid if possible. Thanks!

  Susan H. 
   
    Susan,

        Let the table T_Books consist of fields Author(text), Title(text) and RefDate(date type). Both the following statements will append a record having Null value in the date field -

        (a) If default value of RefDate is not Null -
            DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                    "(Author, Title, RefDate)  " & _
                    "Values('AAA',  'TTT' , Null) ;"

        (b) If default value of RefDate is already set as Null -    
            DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO  T_Books " & _
                "(Author, Title)  " & _
                "Values('AAA',  'TTT') ;"

    Regards,
    A.D.Tejpal
    --------------
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Susan Harkins 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 06:16
      Subject: [AccessD] force Null date/time data type value


      I'm using INSERT INTO to append records. When a text string isn't
      appropriate, I can use a zero-length string, but not the dates -- I've found
      no way to force a Null value using INSERT INTO. Any help?

      Susan H.
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From lists at theopg.com  Fri Oct  3 13:01:29 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:01:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631233C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008201c389d8$5ebcab30$6439fc3e@netboxxp>

Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that?s in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct  3 13:08:30 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:08:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F689@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that?s in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From lists at theopg.com  Fri Oct  3 13:21:43 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:21:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F689@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <008301c389db$327c83d0$6439fc3e@netboxxp>

Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that?s in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  3 13:30:17 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:30:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From lists at theopg.com  Fri Oct  3 13:34:11 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:34:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008401c389dc$f04f86e0$6439fc3e@netboxxp>

Great! Perfect.

Thanks very much Charlotte, have a good weekend everyone...

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:30
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Oct  3 14:27:47 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:27:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000601c389e4$6db28270$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Charlotte -

Did any of those people get back to you later?  What were their comments?

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Ah, but only developers know the difference!  Actually, I've had emails from
people I steered to Alpha5 because they wanted something that anyone could
build in 5 minutes and insisted Access should be able to do it if the
programmers weren't trying to keep the novices out by making it complicated.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that Alpha-5
is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Oct  3 14:36:33 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:36:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing a Table in an Application
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D176070AD@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi List,
Quiet day, good time to ask what is probably a simple question.  I have
a table in an application that contains information about agency
Executive Directors, Program Directors, phone numbers, etc.  This table
has a relationship with other tables.  I would like to get an updated
table every month so the info stays current.  How does one go about
replacing the old table with the new one without deleting relationships
and recreating them after importing the updated table.  I know this must
be a common task but not sure how to accomplish this.  Any ideas late on
a Friday afternoon....
TIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri Oct  3 15:06:30 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:06:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing a Table in an Application
Message-ID: <OFB89B7756.F30B7278-ON86256DB4.006E4FDD-86256DB4.006E753A@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


About ready to leave for the day but how about this series of events:

1 - Remove old information from table in db
2 - Append new data information into table in db

Just a quick thought.


                                                                                                                                 
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Hi List,
Quiet day, good time to ask what is probably a simple question.  I have a
table in an application that contains information about agency Executive
Directors, Program Directors, phone numbers, etc.  This table has a
relationship with other tables.  I would like to get an updated table every
month so the info stays current.  How does one go about replacing the old
table with the new one without deleting relationships and recreating them
after importing the updated table.  I know this must be a common task but
not sure how to accomplish this.  Any ideas late on a Friday afternoon....
TIA
Ed

Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Oct  3 15:21:11 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:21:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing a Table in an Application
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03305FA3@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Ed,
You can just delete the records from the existing table (without deleting
the table itself), then import the new records from the new table.  A simple
delete query will handle clearing out the old records.  As far as getting
the new records in, if you can link a table to the new data, an append query
will do the trick.
 
 
HTH
 
Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing a Table in an Application


Hi List,
Quiet day, good time to ask what is probably a simple question.  I have a
table in an application that contains information about agency Executive
Directors, Program Directors, phone numbers, etc.  This table has a
relationship with other tables.  I would like to get an updated table every
month so the info stays current.  How does one go about replacing the old
table with the new one without deleting relationships and recreating them
after importing the updated table.  I know this must be a common task but
not sure how to accomplish this.  Any ideas late on a Friday afternoon....
TIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct  3 17:28:39 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:28:39 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272BF@main2.marlow.com>

If you are using a shortcut, you can include a password too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 19:46:33 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:46:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <007801c38a10$ff9105f0$1b06d018@W2k>

Liam,

FWIW, here's something you could try.

1) Place an unbound Text Box on the form and name it something like txtMarquee.
2) Set the form's Timer Interval to, say, 200 milliseconds.
3) In the form's Load event procedure put this line of code:
    txtMarquee = "Eat at Joe's...Eat at Joe's...Eat at Joe's..."
4) In the form's Timer event procedure put this code:
   Dim str As String
   str = txtMarquee
   txtMarquee = Right(str, Len(str) - 1) & Left(str, 1)
5) Save and run the form.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"The press must learn that misguided use of a computer is no more amazing than drunk driving of an automobile." - Ken Thompson (co-inventor of UNIX), 1984
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 19:47:21 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:47:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312344@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <007901c38a11$13fc8820$1b06d018@W2k>

Charlotte,

>> timers in Access are built into the forms and tend to have
annoying side effects. <<

Could you elaborate on that a bit, please?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"The press must learn that misguided use of a computer is no more amazing
than drunk driving of an automobile." - Ken Thompson (co-inventor of UNIX),
1984



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  3 21:51:06 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:51:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
In-Reply-To: <007901c38a11$13fc8820$1b06d018@W2k>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEIEFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

For developers the timer running in a form while you are entering code may
cause compile errors on the partially entered line of code you are typing,
will cause words in comments to lose their space between them as you are
entering them, and can cause flickering of other forms.  VBA is single
threaded, so if the code that runs in the timer takes awhile the form that
the user is working on may become unresponsive.

Etc.
Etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee


Charlotte,

>> timers in Access are built into the forms and tend to have
annoying side effects. <<

Could you elaborate on that a bit, please?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com  Sat Oct  4 07:21:32 2003
From: JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com (JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 08:21:32 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Access TAPI
Message-ID: <151.24db509e.2cb0154c@aol.com>

I looking for a book(s) on TAPI  in Access or VB. Any suggestions?

johnb
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct  4 08:27:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:27:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
In-Reply-To: <007801c38a10$ff9105f0$1b06d018@W2k>
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>
 <007801c38a10$ff9105f0$1b06d018@W2k>
Message-ID: <7322388963.20031004152714@cactus.dk>

Hi Liam

There was a marquee.ocx included with the old versions of Internet
Explorer, version 3 and 4 I believe, thus with Win98 and WinNT too.

Don't know, however, if it could be of any use; I have never used it
for anything.

/gustav


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct  5 10:19:52 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:19:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
References: <11130434562.20031003172203@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002201c38b54$201b0020$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...this guy's nose must be five times as long as Pinocchio's :))))))

...obviously written by used car salesmen who wouldn't recognize an Access
VBE window if they slammed their heads through it :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


> Hi all
>
> Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
> Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:
>
>   http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm
>
> /gustav
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct  5 10:27:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:27:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB783@energys1.energy.local>
	<007801c38a10$ff9105f0$1b06d018@W2k> <7322388963.20031004152714@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000401c38b55$3fa0f520$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Liam

http://www.lebans.com/hscroller.htm

...his Horizontal Scrolling Text Marquee code sample uses the API instead of
a timer or ocx ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] bit quite today ? Scrolling Marquee


> Hi Liam
>
> There was a marquee.ocx included with the old versions of Internet
> Explorer, version 3 and 4 I believe, thus with Win98 and WinNT too.
>
> Don't know, however, if it could be of any use; I have never used it
> for anything.
>
> /gustav
>
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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Sun Oct  5 20:11:57 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:11:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 
	RE: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases) -
	Thank you
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE6@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Hello Charlotte and John,

You have both solved my hassles with the Can't load anymore databases. 

I implemented JIT properly this time and it seems to have fixed the problem. When the user clicks on a tab, the unbound subform takes about a second or so to refresh itself after my code assigns the SourceObject, but the users will have to live with that.

John, I like your idea of unloading (when the user clicks on a different tab) the SourceObject from the subforms using a global sysvar and may also implement that in my application.

I am grateful for you help.

Cheers 
David ???? 
Brisbane Australia

Your messages:
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:02:12 -0700
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)

No, the fast way is to use an unbound subform control and set its sourceobject in code to a particular subform, not a bound subform control with a change to the recordsource.  If you use SQL strings like that, it means that the SELECT statements are not optimized in Access 2000 and 2002 and can lead to significant delays in loading the form.

Charlotte Foust


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:48:29 -0400
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases)
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more databases)>Yes I do use the
Master/Child filter, but when the form is first loaded all of its subforms
sit there blank behind their appropriate tabs (each with no recordsource).

I think you are not using JIT at all.  JIT means that the SOURCE OBJECT
property of the subform control on a tab is empty.  IOW, if you could see
the tab, the entire subform would not be there at all, you couldn't see the
text boxes on the subform etc.

It sounds like you are saying that you have the subforms loaded, but then
load the RECORDSOURCE (DATA) to the subform?  I don't mess with the
recordsource of the subform at all under normal circumstances.  Each subform
has a recordsource that is usually a saved query.  The recoursource property
always references the query - and is saved that way, i.e. if you open the
subform in design view you would see the query name or SQL statement.  I
assign the form name to the SOURCE OBJECT property.  What this does is
actually LOAD the subform into the tab at the instant that the source object
property is set.  Since the subform has a recordsource property, it loads
its data when the form loads.

For some reason I then have to read out the Link child and master field
properties and write them right back in.

I don't know what you consider painfully slow of course but in general a
subform takes 1/2 second to one second to load.  It can be more of course
depending on how many combos and lists are on the subform - they also have
to load their data.  Of course if the subforms have tabs (Yep, I've done
that) then they are also JIT to avoid having to load all of those subforms
at one time.

The entire point of JIT subforms is to reduce load time of the parent form,
since any tab the user never clicks on never loads the subforms on that tab.
It can make a world of difference.  Bottom line, if the user is going to see
the subform, then it has to load and they have to wait for that load.  The
point is that in forms where they only NORMALLY use a few of many tabs, the
subforms on the other tabs never load so the user never has to wait for
those subforms to load.

I actually use an application global sysvar to decide whether to unload the
subforms once loaded (when the user clicks to another tab).  Sometimes it
makes sense, others it doesn't.  I then use form specific sysvars to
over-ride the global sysvar if I need a specific form to buck the global
trend.  IOW I can decide that in general, the subforms WILL unload when the
user clicks on a different tab, but for frmXXX the subforms will NOT unload.
Application SysVars are a real neat trick for customizing an app in this
manner.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
************

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct  5 21:16:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:16:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
	SysVars - was: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
	databases) -Thank you
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David,

Yes, the short load time as the tab is clicked on is simply the result of
not suffering that load time when the form first opens.  Either way the user
has to wait, up front or if they use a tab.

As for the Sysvars...

As the list old-timers know, I use a framework to speed my development time.
I have a class for each control that Access offers, which means I have a
class for the tab control, the subform control, the combo, list text box
etc.  And of course all of these control / form classes sink the events that
the control generates so that the class handles all generic event
processing - Withevents.  In addition I have other   classes such as a
SysVar class, which BTW you can find the basis of in the articles I wrote
for Database Advisors.

My tab control is what implements the JIT functionality for me.  IOW, the
tab class sinks the click event.  It determines if the user has just moved
to another tab, and if so it asks the parent form class if it is supposed to
use JIT - in fact it asks this at class load time.  The parent form has
loaded a Sysvar that says whether the application in general uses JIT, if
so, does it unload the subform as the user clicks off the tab.  However the
form can also look for and find SysVars SPECIFIC TO ITSELF that over-rides
the generic behavior.

IOW:

gJITSFrms		true	Global Just In Time SubFrms.  True = turn on JIT subforms,
False = turn them off.
gJITSFrmUnload	False	Global - True means unload JIT subforms when you tab
away from the tab.  False means once loaded, leave them loaded

However each form class (as it loads) looks for a sysvar with its name
embedded in the sysvar that over-rides the application wide preferences.

fJITSFrmUnloadtfrmEmployee	True	Local - True means FOR THIS FORM... unload
JIT subforms when you tab away from the tab.  False means once loaded, leave
them loaded

The g prefix in the sysvar name means that is the global behavior.  A f
prefix means that this behavior over-rides the global behavior only for the
form whose name is embedded in the SysVar.

This allows me to have a set of SysVars (a SysVar table) for my framework
that resides out in my framework library - called usystblFWSysVars.  That is
loaded first, and sets up the framework to work a "default" way.  IF I wish
to do so, I then add usystblFEFWSysVars - notice it is the same name with FE
embedded in there.  This table physically resides in the FE itself and I can
place any or all of the exact same name SysVars in this table but with a
value different from the one residing in the Framework library.  The load
order is Lib table then FE table, with the value in the FE table over-riding
(overwriting the value) from the framework library table if it exists in the
FE.  Same SysVar name, different value, loaded last, overrides the original.
Thus each FE can decide that the default functionality of the framework
should differ.

Of course the values specific to forms then override the values generic to
the FE or the framework.  The form specific values are searched for and
loaded BY THE FORM CLASS as the form loads, whereas the global SysVars, both
Framework and FE are loaded as the FE opens.

Because of the fact that the last value loaded into the class overwrites any
previous value loaded, and because the control / form class knows how to use
any generic sysvar but also look for the control or form name in the SysVar
name and use that to overwrite the generic SysVar, I can overload ANY
Sysvar, ANY behavior, on a case by case, form by form, control by control
basis.  Thus the app for company A can be completely generic, whereas the
App for company B can be customized to a T, all by doing nothing more than
throwing in a bunch of Sysvars into the FE sysvar table with object names
embedded in (at the end of) the SysVar name.

I have even toyed with the idea of setting up a USER LEVEL over-ride to
allow each user to decide whether they want the behavior, but I decided that
would be a dangerous thing to do.

OK, I've no doubt bored you to tears, but if you are thinking of using
SysVars, think about how to allow turning on / off functionality at the
library level.  Once you can do that, allow over-riding that in each app,
then once that works, allow over-riding that for any given control / form.

Works great, and makes application customization a snap.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David Fenton
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 9:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't open any more
databases) -Thank you


Hello Charlotte and John,

You have both solved my hassles with the Can't load anymore databases.

I implemented JIT properly this time and it seems to have fixed the problem.
When the user clicks on a tab, the unbound subform takes about a second or
so to refresh itself after my code assigns the SourceObject, but the users
will have to live with that.

John, I like your idea of unloading (when the user clicks on a different
tab) the SourceObject from the subforms using a global sysvar and may also
implement that in my application.

I am grateful for you help.

Cheers
David ????
Brisbane Australia





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct  6 01:06:13 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:06:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0BD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

U can use msacces.Exe "MyDB.MDB" /USER %USERNAME% to start access with
the network user account.
U must have windows NT/2K or XP for this.
The network acccount must also be in the workgroup file.

U can also use "%HOMEDRIVE%\MyFolder\Mydb.mdb" if you put a front end in
the homefolder of the user.

Again, only for NT/2K and XP

The workgroup file you can specify also at command lie option or in a
ini file located int he same folder as the app.

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Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Charlotte -

Did any of those people get back to you later?  What were their
comments?

Dan


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Ah, but only developers know the difference!  Actually, I've had emails
from people I steered to Alpha5 because they wanted something that
anyone could build in 5 minutes and insisted Access should be able to do
it if the programmers weren't trying to keep the novices out by making
it complicated.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that
Alpha-5 is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 01:33:56 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:33:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272BF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002601c38bd3$d1695f50$298e6351@netboxxp>

Thanks Drew

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 03 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


If you are using a shortcut, you can include a password too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct  6 05:47:40 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:47:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9700@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

U can use msacces.Exe "MyDB.MDB" /USER %USERNAME% to start access with
the network user account. U must have windows NT/2K or XP for this. The
network acccount must also be in the workgroup file.

U can also use "%HOMEDRIVE%\MyFolder\Mydb.mdb" if you put a front end in
the homefolder of the user.

Again, only for NT/2K and XP

The workgroup file you can specify also at command lie option or in a
ini file located int he same folder as the app.

Erwin

 

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Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks Drew

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 03 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


If you are using a shortcut, you can include a password too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


You can if you don't have passwords on those login names in the
workgroup file and if they use use a shortcut to open the database that
includes the path to the workgroup file and the username they're logging
in as.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Thanks, but not quite...

I haven't used access security for a couple of years so 'scuse me if I'm
missing something :@)

If a database is secured then access will prompt the user to login (this
happens before any code can be run, if the user cancels then the db
doesn't open, no code is executed). Can it be set up to just go straight
in if the windows login matches a name in the workgroup file?

Many thanks

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: 03 October 2003 19:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Is this what you're looking for?  It returns the users login name.

<code>
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function GetUserName() As String
'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish

' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String
    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
    lngLen = 255
    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        GetUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
    Else
        GetUserName = ""
    End If
End Function
</code>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup security and windows logins


Hello All

This may be a dum question, but here goes anyway...

Is it possible to integrate the workgroup security that comes with
Access with the Windows login details? 

I'd like to be able to secure the front and backend objects and grant
relevant permissions to relevant groups etc. but I'd like the user to
get straight into the application if they are logged into a windows
account that's in the workgroup. i.e. no password prompt.

I know how to pick up the userID from windows etc. I just want to
prevent the password prompt. If the windows login isn't in the workgroup
list then they cant get.

Sorry if this is a bit simple...

Cheers

Mark

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Oct  6 06:46:10 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:46:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
Message-ID: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
'drop' it onto a form
The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to create
a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know

So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.

Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?

Many thanks
Darren




From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 08:03:42 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
In-Reply-To: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <20031006130342.71497.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com>

Just curious....
 
Why can't you use a subform control?


Darren DICK <d.dick at uws.edu.au> wrote:
Hello all
I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
'drop' it onto a form
The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to create
a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know

So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.

Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?

Many thanks
Darren



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From Goran.Pajnic at skanska.se  Mon Oct  6 08:52:54 2003
From: Goran.Pajnic at skanska.se (Pajnic, Goran)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:52:54 +0200 
Subject: SV: [AccessD] Syntax problem in Access 2000
Message-ID: <7E990A94B715D5119B0400B0D068C13B02DB303E@swe12.data.skanska.se>

Hej p? Dig Liz!

Excuse me for delay. I was out of office in two weeks.
I have changed our code according to your suggestion and moved the code to a
public module. It worked very well.

The problem was that this application is an very old and advanced
application created of an developer who doesn't work for us any more and I
didn't feel like to change much in his code but now it works.

Thank you very much for your help.

H?lsningar
Goran

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>Fr?n: Liz Doering [mailto:liz at symphonyinfo.com]
>Skickat: den 30 september 2003 16:28
>Till: goran.pajnic at skanska.se
>?mne: RE: [AccessD] Syntax problem in Access 2000
>
>
>Did you get it figured out?
>
>Liz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Liz Doering [mailto:liz at symphonyinfo.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:30 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Syntax problem in Access 2000
>
>
>Hej p? dig, Goran!
>
>One form can't see the code associated with another form.
>
>If you move the code you want to run to a public module, you 
>will be able to
>call it from anywhere in your application.
>
>So instead of
>
>Private Sub cmdUpdate_Click()
>'do some stuff here
>End Sub
>
>You'll have in a module
>
>Public Sub UpdateRoutine()
>'do your same stuff here
>End Sub
>
>and, on form X
>
>Private Sub cmdUpdate_Click()
>Call UpdateRoutine
>End Sub
>
>and, on form Y
>
>Private Sub Form_Close()
>Call UpdateRoutine
>End Sub
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Liz Doering
>Symphony Information Services
>liz at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pajnic, Goran
>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:02 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: [AccessD] Syntax problem in Access 2000
>
>
>
>Hi group!
>
>Greetings from Sweden!
>
>Syntax problem in Access 2000:
>
>I have a forms called x and y.
>The form X is open and the form Y is open too. On the form X I 
>have a button
>called "cmdUpdate" and some code in On click property for this button -
>cmdUpdate_Click(), in other words. When I close Y (On Close) I will run
>cmdUpdate_Click().
>
> I can't get this work...some suggestions?
>
>Thanks
>
>Goran Pajnic
>Skanska IT Solutions AB
>205 33 MALM?
>Sweden
>e-mail: goran.pajnic at skanska.se
> <http://www.itsolutions.skanska.com/> 
http://www.itsolutions.skanska.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 09:44:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:44:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEMGFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Mon Oct  6 09:51:35 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:51:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form and Control Size in Pixels
Message-ID: <sf814946.078@cbc.ca>

In A2K, is there anyway to change the properties sheet to display forma
nd size information in pixels and not inches?

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Oct  6 09:54:40 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:54:40 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29632@nnse14.nns.com>

Would they accept the default set to =date()?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 10:11:08 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:11:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEMGFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c38c1c$11d76e90$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Can you use the OnChange event of the date text box to see if they've
entered a valid date and month yet and then help them fill in the year?

Or in the GotFocus event if the current date is blank fill it in with four
blanks and an '03' then set SelStart to zero?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:44 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


> I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
> understand this as I personally hate them, but...
>
> What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
> year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
> filled in.
>
> Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 10:30:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:30:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29632@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMKFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Would they accept the default set to =date()?

Where logical I do that, however in these cases they are entering dates out
in the future or in the past.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


Would they accept the default set to =date()?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  6 10:32:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:32:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631234F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The one I was really thinking of kept emailing me for awhile, trying to
get me to admit Access could be automated to do what he wanted.  I
finally just blocked his emails.  I have no idea whether he tried
anything else.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Charlotte -

Did any of those people get back to you later?  What were their
comments?

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Ah, but only developers know the difference!  Actually, I've had emails
from people I steered to Alpha5 because they wanted something that
anyone could build in 5 minutes and insisted Access should be able to do
it if the programmers weren't trying to keep the novices out by making
it complicated.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


This was not humorous - these are flat-out lies!

I hope that few people actually take this seriously.  Or I hope that
Alpha-5 is doing this as a desperate grab to stay in business.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour, Alpha-Access comparison


Hi all

Stumbled over all the missing features of Access?
Well, you are not alone. Browse this unbiased comparison:

  http://newsletter.alphasoftware.com/0031004.htm

/gustav

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Oct  6 10:32:15 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:32:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keep focus on record until valid entry
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D77F3@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

This seems like a simple task.

I have a continuous form with the following fields:
[AcctNum],[Charges],[Payments],[Balance].

I do not want the user to be able to move off of the record if [Balance]
<> [Charges]-[Payments].

I put the following code in the AfterUpdate event of the [Balance]
field:

If Me.Balance <> (Nz(Me.Charges) - Nz(Me.Payments)) Then

   MsgBox "Current Balance does not equal Total Charges minus
Payments.", vbCritical, "Error"

   Me.Balance.SetFocus

End If

I receive the message box, but the focus automatically moves to the next
record.

How can I keep the focus on the current record?  I tried moving the code
to the BeforeUpdate event, but the same results.

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Oct  6 10:43:19 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:43:19 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03305FAA@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

When I've had this sort of request in the past, I use separate text boxes
for the parts of the date (ie one for mm, one for dd, and one for year).
Default the year box to the current year, then after the month and day have
been filled in, concatenate and convert the field values into a date format
and store that value in the actual date field.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:44 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  6 10:54:32 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:54:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Keep focus on record until valid entry
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D77F3@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D77F3@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <733434566.20031006175432@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

You should be able to set Cancel = True in the Before Update event.
If not for the control, you can do for the form.

/gustav


> This seems like a simple task.

> I have a continuous form with the following fields:
> [AcctNum],[Charges],[Payments],[Balance].

> I do not want the user to be able to move off of the record if [Balance]
> <> [Charges]-[Payments].

> I put the following code in the AfterUpdate event of the [Balance]
> field:

> If Me.Balance <> (Nz(Me.Charges) - Nz(Me.Payments)) Then

>    MsgBox "Current Balance does not equal Total Charges minus
> Payments.", vbCritical, "Error"

>    Me.Balance.SetFocus

> End If

> I receive the message box, but the focus automatically moves to the next
> record.

> How can I keep the focus on the current record?  I tried moving the code
> to the BeforeUpdate event, but the same results.


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Oct  6 10:57:57 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:57:57 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29633@nnse14.nns.com>

I realize that this approach is not ideal, however the ease of this solution
may outweigh the elegance given that it does achieve the end goal...filling
in the current year.  I liken it to a combo-box that is defaulted to the
first entry...in most every case you are going to type right over it anyway,
but that doesn't stop people from using it.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


>Would they accept the default set to =date()?

Where logical I do that, however in these cases they are entering dates out
in the future or in the past.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


Would they accept the default set to =date()?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
understand this as I personally hate them, but...

What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
filled in.

Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Oct  6 11:00:13 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:00:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keep focus on record until valid entry
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1896BF@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Perfect!
Thanks Gustav.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keep focus on record until valid entry

Hi Mark

You should be able to set Cancel = True in the Before Update event.
If not for the control, you can do for the form.

/gustav


> This seems like a simple task.

> I have a continuous form with the following fields:
> [AcctNum],[Charges],[Payments],[Balance].

> I do not want the user to be able to move off of the record if
[Balance]
> <> [Charges]-[Payments].

> I put the following code in the AfterUpdate event of the [Balance]
> field:

> If Me.Balance <> (Nz(Me.Charges) - Nz(Me.Payments)) Then

>    MsgBox "Current Balance does not equal Total Charges minus
> Payments.", vbCritical, "Error"

>    Me.Balance.SetFocus

> End If

> I receive the message box, but the focus automatically moves to the
next
> record.

> How can I keep the focus on the current record?  I tried moving the
code
> to the BeforeUpdate event, but the same results.

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Oct  6 11:20:54 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:20:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
In-Reply-To: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEIFDIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Check out

http://www.devexpress.com/downloads/activex/xgrid.asp?prodid=22

Its a 3rd party product (and not cheap)but they do offer a newsgroup which
answers questions (even on the demo)

What is it that you specifically need from the data grid control that the
list box and or sub form cant do?

One of my reasons was the ability to display pictures, and to merge grouped
cells (kind of like a treeview)

HTH

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:46 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus


Hello all
I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
'drop' it onto a form
The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to
create
a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know

So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.

Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?

Many thanks
Darren



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  6 11:50:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 09:50:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
References: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3F819D58.4090809@shaw.ca>

I have only used  the hirearchical flexgrid control. but you should be 
able to fill it via following code
To create a udl  file if you need it, open a blank file in notepad save 
it as myudl.udl then double click in explorer.

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
  Dim cnNWind As New ADODB.Connection
   Dim rsOrders As New ADODB.Recordset

       Dim strConn As String
'set reference to ADO and/or change to OLEDB.4.00
       strConn = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.3.51;" & _
                 "Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft 
Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb;"
       'If using an Access 2000 mdb use "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"

       cnNWind.CursorLocation = adUseClient
       cnNWind.Open strConn

       rsOrders.Open "SELECT OrderID, EmployeeID, OrderDate FROM Orders", _
                     cnNWind, adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdText
       'assumes name of control DataGrid1 set recordset to control

       Set DataGrid1.DataSource = rsOrders

End Sub

Darren DICK wrote:

>Hello all
>I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
>the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
>'drop' it onto a form
>The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to create
>a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know
>
>So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.
>
>Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?
>
>Many thanks
>Darren
>
>
>
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>  
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 12:09:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:09:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENAFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know where the conditional format info is stored?  Is it a form
property?  Is there a collection somewhere?  Can it be set by code?  With
Access2K conditional formatting becomes helpful and I would like to know a
little more about how it can be utilized.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct  6 12:20:06 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:20:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENAFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002301c38c2e$17531150$42f66e51@martin1>

John

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/odc_conformat.asp


Better example

http://www.lebans.com/conditionalformatting.htm


Martin

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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


> Does anyone know where the conditional format info is stored?  Is it a
form
> property?  Is there a collection somewhere?  Can it be set by code?  With
> Access2K conditional formatting becomes helpful and I would like to know a
> little more about how it can be utilized.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Mon Oct  6 12:53:40 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:53:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Family Addition
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B07C8ED@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

I just wanted to thank everyone for the warm comments.  I showed them to
my wife and she was pleased/impressed with the tight community feeling
of the group.  I have mentioned this list to her on many occasions but I
think it really sank in for her this time.  Again, from my whole family,
thank you for your best wishes.
 
 

Ken Stoker

Technology Commercialization

Information Systems Administrator

PH: (509) 375-3758

FAX: (509) 375-6731

E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Stoker, Kenneth E 
	Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:11 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] New Family Addition
	
	

	Hello Everyone, 

	Today, I get to bring home my wife, Anna, and our new baby
daughter, Saoirse Ann (pronounced Seer-sha), from the hospital.  We
delivered on Sunday evening at 7:12 pm.  Saoirse is 21 in. long and 8
lbs. 8 oz.  Lots of black hair.  My wife is doing great, probably the
easiest labor we have had, she only ended up pushing for 10 min, unlike
the hours we have had with previous children.  My three children, two
daughters and one son, are excited.  I guess the hardest part we are
going to have right now is reminding them every minute for a while that
Saoirse is not a doll.

	Thank you for allowing me to share.  My work has been great
letting me take the week off and be able to continue to smile from ear
to ear for a while.

	Ken Stoker 

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct  6 12:54:24 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:54:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Date data entry
In-Reply-To: <200310061700.h96H0ae18563@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031006125149.02547080@pop3.highstream.net>

John,

Separate the data entry into 3 text boxes
enter the day, month then year with the
year defaulted to DATEPART("yyyy",date()).

That is the simplest.

Another way is to check the length of the
string for the date on keyup and fill
in the year after 4 keystrokes.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:44 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
>
>
> > I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
> > understand this as I personally hate them, but...
> >
> > What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
> > year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
> > filled in.
> >
> > Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?
> >
> > John W. Colby



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 13:12:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:12:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info
In-Reply-To: <002301c38c2e$17531150$42f66e51@martin1>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENFFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Martin,

Thanks for that, exactly what I was looking for.  It was annoying that I
could only do 3 conditions.  Now I can do more!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


John

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/ht
ml/odc_conformat.asp


Better example

http://www.lebans.com/conditionalformatting.htm


Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


> Does anyone know where the conditional format info is stored?  Is it a
form
> property?  Is there a collection somewhere?  Can it be set by code?  With
> Access2K conditional formatting becomes helpful and I would like to know a
> little more about how it can be utilized.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 13:25:06 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:25:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENFFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKENFFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Now I can do more!

Kinda!  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional format info


Martin,

Thanks for that, exactly what I was looking for.  It was annoying that I
could only do 3 conditions.  Now I can do more!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


John

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/ht
ml/odc_conformat.asp


Better example

http://www.lebans.com/conditionalformatting.htm


Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional format info


> Does anyone know where the conditional format info is stored?  Is it a
form
> property?  Is there a collection somewhere?  Can it be set by code?  With
> Access2K conditional formatting becomes helpful and I would like to know a
> little more about how it can be utilized.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  6 14:47:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:47:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db (employee
pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull these images out
and store them on disk.

Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and saving
the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a link to the
image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save that path back in
another field?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 16:04:05 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:04:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because... You and
	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A9821995E@AARDBEI>
Message-ID: <000701c38c4d$61e1bc20$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open. 

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  6 16:21:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:21:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
	You andanother user are""
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312350@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What file format is the file in, 2000 or 2002?  I've heard of this
problem using XP with the 2000 format.  You may be able to convert it to
2002 format and then open it.  If you can't, you aren't any worse off.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You andanother user are""


Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open. 

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 17:13:31 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:13:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You andanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312350@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000b01c38c57$13d67110$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

2000, tried that and it didn't work, thanks anyway 

mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 06 October 2003 22:21
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You andanother user are""


What file format is the file in, 2000 or 2002?  I've heard of this
problem using XP with the 2000 format.  You may be able to convert it to
2002 format and then open it.  If you can't, you aren't any worse off.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You andanother user are""


Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open. 

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct  6 17:43:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:43:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F81B7DF.20734.8D6000@localhost>

On 6 Oct 2003 at 15:47, John Colby wrote:

> I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db
> (employee pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull
> these images out and store them on disk.
> 
> Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and
> saving the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a
> link to the image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save
> that path back in another field?

John,

Check out Stephen Lebanns site. http://www.lebans.com/oletodisk.htm

Specifically  A2KExportOLEtoJPEG.zip

I haven't used it, but it was all I could find.

I used to have a site that posted all the code in all it's gory 
details. The site I was thinking of show how to use GetChunk to get 
chunks of the OLE object.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That the easiest way for me to grow as a person is to surround myself 
with people smarter than I am.



From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Mon Oct  6 18:08:23 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:08:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RE: SysVars - was: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351142D45E@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Wow John,
Thanks heaps for your mammoth epistle. I was not bored at all. Quite fascinating reading! I will investigate further...

Cheers 
David Fenton ???? 
Brisbane Australia


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:16:35 -0400
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Subject: [AccessD] 	SysVars - was: Just in Time (off shoot of Can't
	open any more	databases) -Thank you
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOELEFDAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

David,

Yes, the short load time as the tab is clicked on is simply the result of
not suffering that load time when the form first opens.  Either way the user
has to wait, up front or if they use a tab.

As for the Sysvars...

As the list old-timers know, I use a framework to speed my development time.
I have a class for each control that Access offers, which means I have a
class for the tab control, the subform control, the combo, list text box
etc.  And of course all of these control / form classes sink the events that
the control generates so that the class handles all generic event
processing - Withevents.  In addition I have other   classes such as a
SysVar class, which BTW you can find the basis of in the articles I wrote
for Database Advisors.

<SNIP>

Works great, and makes application customization a snap.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Mon Oct  6 18:30:06 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:30:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE7@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Hello again,
I have searched archives and looked through recent newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem to hit the mark I'm after.

I found this:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/ARptTip.htm#PREVIEW
but it doesn't quite suit.

Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag. But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed' flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to sections of the report, not the entire report itself.

I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust...
Any ideas folks?
Cheers 
David ???? 
Brisbane
Australia 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 18:42:36 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:42:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
	You and	another user are""
References: <000701c38c4d$61e1bc20$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <017d01c38c63$85a1a4c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one that's
causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which you could
import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because... You
and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
> because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
> the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  6 19:34:29 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:34:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
References: <3F81B7DF.20734.8D6000@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F820A15.2050301@shaw.ca>

There is also this one
http://www.lebans.com/loadsavejpeg.htm

But I don't think Intel's latest version of this dll lib is free
  Version 3.0 of Intel Integrated Performance Primitives
http://developer.intel.com/software/products/ipp/ipp30/index.htm
However the old one here works fine on Win XP.


Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

>On 6 Oct 2003 at 15:47, John Colby wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db
>>(employee pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull
>>these images out and store them on disk.
>>
>>Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and
>>saving the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a
>>link to the image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save
>>that path back in another field?
>>    
>>
>
>John,
>
>Check out Stephen Lebanns site. http://www.lebans.com/oletodisk.htm
>
>Specifically  A2KExportOLEtoJPEG.zip
>
>I haven't used it, but it was all I could find.
>
>I used to have a site that posted all the code in all it's gory 
>details. The site I was thinking of show how to use GetChunk to get 
>chunks of the OLE object.
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>I've learned....
>That the easiest way for me to grow as a person is to surround myself 
>with people smarter than I am.
>
>
>  
>



From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 19:48:29 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You and	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <017d01c38c63$85a1a4c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct  6 19:50:31 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:50:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE7@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <3F829A77.17324.14E45D@localhost>

On 7 Oct 2003 at 9:30, David Fenton wrote:

> Hello again, I have searched archives and looked through recent
> newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining
> if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem
> to hit the mark I'm after. 
> 
> Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report
> has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
> printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag.
> But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not
> the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her
> mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed'
> flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print
> preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview
> page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to
> sections of the report, not the entire report itself. 
> 
The on_print event fires when the report is displayed on screen as well. 
As far as Access is concerned printing to the screen or saving the report 
to a file is the same as printing to a printer.

> I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
> putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of
> the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust... Any ideas folks? Cheers
> David ???? Brisbane Australia 
> 
The trouble with that option is that the user can still print  from the 
preview in which case the flag won't be set.

The other problem with any method of setting a flag programmatically is , 
what happens when the printer is not available/ has a paper jam/ runs out 
of paper etc. Although some printer drivers with two way communication 
can tell you some of these things, in many cases there is *no* way within 
Access to be sure that the report was in fact printed.
 




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct  6 20:03:15 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:03:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause...You
	and	another user are""
References: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <000f01c38c6e$cc6ad330$6501a8c0@user>

Mark - have you tried JetComp on it yet?

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2002/articles/acRepairDamagedDbWithJetcomp.aspx

Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MarkH 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:48 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause...You and another user are""


  Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
  same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
  particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

  Cheers

  Mark

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  - Beach Access Software
  Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
  because...You and another user are""


  Mark:

  I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
  that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
  you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

  Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
  You and another user are""


  > Hello...
  >
  > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
  >
  > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
  > process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

  > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
  >
  > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
  > objects... :O(
  >
  > Any ideas much appreciated
  >
  > mark
  >
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Mon Oct  6 13:44:26 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:14:26 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMKFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002001c38c3a$120f4bd0$9cedf73d@winxp>

John,

    The following course of action is suggested -

    (a) Input Mask property of the text box may be set as -
            99-99-9999; ; _
    (b) The code given below may be used in the Enter and BeforeUpdate events of the text box (named TxtDt). The latter is needed in order to ensure  compliance with mm-dd-yyyy. (Had we been able to adopt 00-00-0000; ; _ as the input mask straightaway,  this validation would not have been called for).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
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Code Start
-------------
Private Sub TxtDt_Enter()
    If Len(TxtDt) > 0 Then
    Else
        TxtDt = "  -  -" & Year(Date)
        TxtDt.SelStart = 0
        TxtDt.SelLength = 0
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub TxtDt_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
    Dim TXT As String
    
    ' Replace space in TXT variable with zero length string
    TXT = Replace(TxtDt.Text, " ", "")
    If Len(TXT) > 0 And Len(TXT) < 10 Then
        MsgBox "Date And Month Parts " & _
                        "Should be Two Digits Each" & _
                        vbCrLf & "Year Part Should Be Four Digits"
        Cancel = 1
    End If
End Sub
-------------
Code End
-------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Colby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 21:00
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


  >Would they accept the default set to =date()?

  Where logical I do that, however in these cases they are entering dates out
  in the future or in the past.

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:55 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Date data entry


  Would they accept the default set to =date()?



  Mark


  -----Original Message-----
  From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
  To: AccessD
  Subject: [AccessD] Date data entry


  I have a specific client that LOVES the input masks for dates.  I don't
  understand this as I personally hate them, but...

  What they want is to have something like that but which "assumes current
  year", i.e. all they have to enter is the ddmm and the rest (the year) is
  filled in.

  Does anyone do this?  Know how to do this?

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

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From lists at theopg.com  Mon Oct  6 19:48:29 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:48:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You and	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <017d01c38c63$85a1a4c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  6 22:56:05 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:56:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
References: <3F829A77.17324.14E45D@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F823955.4090406@shaw.ca>

Here is some vb 6 code to monitor the print queue
with some caveats
 Microsoft print reports like word documents, may not give you correct 
no of pages.
 It only monitors the print drivers unless the print driver for that 
specific printer continuously polls the machine. You wont get info about 
paper jams or low toner. Very few low end and medium printers
do.
http://www.merrioncomputing.com/Programming/index.htm
there is a mail list at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MerrionComputing/


Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 7 Oct 2003 at 9:30, David Fenton wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hello again, I have searched archives and looked through recent
>>newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining
>>if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem
>>to hit the mark I'm after. 
>>
>>Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report
>>has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
>>printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag.
>>But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not
>>the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her
>>mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed'
>>flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print
>>preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview
>>page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to
>>sections of the report, not the entire report itself. 
>>
>>    
>>
>The on_print event fires when the report is displayed on screen as well. 
>As far as Access is concerned printing to the screen or saving the report 
>to a file is the same as printing to a printer.
>
>  
>
>>I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
>>putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of
>>the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust... Any ideas folks? Cheers
>>David ???? Brisbane Australia 
>>
>>    
>>
>The trouble with that option is that the user can still print  from the 
>preview in which case the flag won't be set.
>
>The other problem with any method of setting a flag programmatically is , 
>what happens when the printer is not available/ has a paper jam/ runs out 
>of paper etc. Although some printer drivers with two way communication 
>can tell you some of these things, in many cases there is *no* way within 
>Access to be sure that the report was in fact printed.
> 
>
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 23:17:00 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:17:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You and	another user are""
References: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <00bc01c38c89$daf0acc0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Decompile?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


> Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
> same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
> particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
> because...You and another user are""
>
>
> Mark:
>
> I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
> that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
> you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
> You and another user are""
>
>
> > Hello...
> >
> > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
> >
> > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the
> > process because you and another user are attempting to change the same
>
> > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
> >
> > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
> > objects... :O(
> >
> > Any ideas much appreciated
> >
> > mark
> >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 23:18:11 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:18:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
References: <3F829A77.17324.14E45D@localhost>
Message-ID: <00c201c38c8a$056b00e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Plus, ironically, you can't preview a report if there's no printer
installed.  I hate when that happens.

Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)


> On 7 Oct 2003 at 9:30, David Fenton wrote:
>
> > Hello again, I have searched archives and looked through recent
> > newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining
> > if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem
> > to hit the mark I'm after.
> >
> > Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report
> > has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
> > printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag.
> > But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not
> > the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her
> > mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed'
> > flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print
> > preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview
> > page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to
> > sections of the report, not the entire report itself.
> >
> The on_print event fires when the report is displayed on screen as well.
> As far as Access is concerned printing to the screen or saving the report
> to a file is the same as printing to a printer.
>
> > I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
> > putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of
> > the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust... Any ideas folks? Cheers
> > David ???? Brisbane Australia
> >
> The trouble with that option is that the user can still print  from the
> preview in which case the flag won't be set.
>
> The other problem with any method of setting a flag programmatically is ,
> what happens when the printer is not available/ has a paper jam/ runs out
> of paper etc. Although some printer drivers with two way communication
> can tell you some of these things, in many cases there is *no* way within
> Access to be sure that the report was in fact printed.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  6 23:50:19 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:50:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
References: <3F829A77.17324.14E45D@localhost>
 <00c201c38c8a$056b00e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3F82460B.5090708@shaw.ca>

I think you can with Access 2003, you get a virtual printer called 
Microsoft Document Image Writer or you could install a PDF printer 
driver. There are a couple of free ones.

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Plus, ironically, you can't preview a report if there's no printer
>installed.  I hate when that happens.
>
>Go figure.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
>
>
>  
>
>>On 7 Oct 2003 at 9:30, David Fenton wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hello again, I have searched archives and looked through recent
>>>newsgroups for Access Reports and found only a few tips on determining
>>>if a report is printed rather than just previewed. None of them seem
>>>to hit the mark I'm after.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report
>>>has been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
>>>printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag.
>>>But one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not
>>>the same as printing it. She can look at the report but change her
>>>mind and NOT print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed'
>>>flag to be set. I guess she's after a Cancel button on the print
>>>preview. I am not aware of any cancel methods on the print preview
>>>page. I know there is an OnPrint event, but it seems to apply to
>>>sections of the report, not the entire report itself.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>The on_print event fires when the report is displayed on screen as well.
>>As far as Access is concerned printing to the screen or saving the report
>>to a file is the same as printing to a printer.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
>>>putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of
>>>the report itself, but it doesn't feel robust... Any ideas folks? Cheers
>>>David ???? Brisbane Australia
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>The trouble with that option is that the user can still print  from the
>>preview in which case the flag won't be set.
>>
>>The other problem with any method of setting a flag programmatically is ,
>>what happens when the printer is not available/ has a paper jam/ runs out
>>of paper etc. Although some printer drivers with two way communication
>>can tell you some of these things, in many cases there is *no* way within
>>Access to be sure that the report was in fact printed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Stuart McLachlan
>>Lexacorp Ltd
>>Application Development,  IT Consultancy
>>http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>    
>>
>
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>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 02:26:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:26:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs before
I start applying them?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Oct  7 02:36:24 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:36:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
References: <009d01c38bff$71e7bdc0$9f449a89@DDICK> <3F819D58.4090809@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <017801c38ca5$b999c220$9f449a89@DDICK>

Hi Marty et al
Just what I was looking for many thanks

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus


> I have only used  the hirearchical flexgrid control. but you should be 
> able to fill it via following code
> To create a udl  file if you need it, open a blank file in notepad save 
> it as myudl.udl then double click in explorer.
> 
> Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
>   Dim cnNWind As New ADODB.Connection
>    Dim rsOrders As New ADODB.Recordset
> 
>        Dim strConn As String
> 'set reference to ADO and/or change to OLEDB.4.00
>        strConn = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.3.51;" & _
>                  "Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft 
> Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb;"
>        'If using an Access 2000 mdb use "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
> 
>        cnNWind.CursorLocation = adUseClient
>        cnNWind.Open strConn
> 
>        rsOrders.Open "SELECT OrderID, EmployeeID, OrderDate FROM Orders", _
>                      cnNWind, adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdText
>        'assumes name of control DataGrid1 set recordset to control
> 
>        Set DataGrid1.DataSource = rsOrders
> 
> End Sub
> 
> Darren DICK wrote:
> 
> >Hello all
> >I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form.
> >the one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you
> >'drop' it onto a form
> >The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me I have to create
> >a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only) Buggered if I know
> >
> >So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.
> >
> >Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?
> >
> >Many thanks
> >Darren
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 02:49:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:49:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEOIFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



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From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:22:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus
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Thank you David
Great controls, gonna get me some...
Pretty expensive but very worth it...
 

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Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus


Check out

http://www.devexpress.com/downloads/activex/xgrid.asp?prodid=22

Its a 3rd party product (and not cheap)but they do offer a newsgroup
which answers questions (even on the demo)

What is it that you specifically need from the data grid control that
the list box and or sub form cant do?

One of my reasons was the ability to display pictures, and to merge
grouped cells (kind of like a treeview)

HTH

David

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:46 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Hail all Data Grid Gurus


Hello all
I have a need to insert the Microsoft DataGrid Control onto a form. the
one that has a class of "MSDataGridLib.DataGrid.1" once you 'drop' it
onto a form The help wasn't and the MSDN developer Library is telling me
I have to create a UDL connection to the database (It assumes VB only)
Buggered if I know

So...I need help with the usual stuff like populating it etc.

Any takers? Any Gurus? Any resources?

Many thanks
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  7 04:26:43 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:26:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <2510089958.20031007112643@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Although having another (broader) perspective, the PhotoTrue tool may
be useful too:

  http://www.phototrue.net/

/gustav


> I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db (employee
> pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull these images out
> and store them on disk.

> Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and saving
> the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a link to the
> image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save that path back in
> another field?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com


From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Tue Oct  7 05:10:37 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:10:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which Event opened the form?
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A08059C@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hello all,

how can a form know how it was opened, 
or rather which event was used to open the form?

for ex. cmd1_click from form1 or txt1_doubleClick from form2
both these events open form_info.

is it possible to capture the event and pass it to the form?

TIA

alun



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 05:14:35 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:14:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000401c38cbb$cf4eb240$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I've had no problems with any office xp sps JC ...working with WinXP and
W2k Server ...set a restore point before you apply just to be sure ...and
its best to dl the sp to your local disk and then apply them rather than
letting MS stream them ...otherwise, nothing I'm aware of ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:26 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


> OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
> blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
> am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
> there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
before
> I start applying them?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct  7 05:28:34 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:28:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Which Event opened the form?
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A08059C@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <3F8321F2.12949.2C42779@localhost>

On 7 Oct 2003 at 12:10, Garraway, Alun wrote:

> hello all,
> 
> how can a form know how it was opened, 
> or rather which event was used to open the form?
> 
> for ex. cmd1_click from form1 or txt1_doubleClick from form2
> both these events open form_info.
> 
> is it possible to capture the event and pass it to the form?
> 

Pass an OpenArgs argument in the Docmd.OpenForm and read it in the 
form's "On_Open"





 
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Tue Oct  7 05:43:41 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:43:41 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Which Event opened the form?
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D3F@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

BINGO :-)

tvm

alun

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Oktober 2003 12:29
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Which Event opened the form?


On 7 Oct 2003 at 12:10, Garraway, Alun wrote:

> hello all,
> 
> how can a form know how it was opened, 
> or rather which event was used to open the form?
> 
> for ex. cmd1_click from form1 or txt1_doubleClick from form2
> both these events open form_info.
> 
> is it possible to capture the event and pass it to the form?
> 

Pass an OpenArgs argument in the Docmd.OpenForm and read it in the 
form's "On_Open"





 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 06:05:35 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:05:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <009401c38cc2$eec185b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...one other thing ... www.woodyswatch.com ...I usually wait until he's
approved any office patch before I apply it ...he's caught a couple of real
bummers that MS subsequently fixed. :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:26 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


> OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
> blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
> am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
> there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
before
> I start applying them?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  7 08:01:29 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:01:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
	You andanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <000701c38c4d$61e1bc20$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEJJHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  That error message generally indicates that the MDB is corrupt.  Import
evetying into a new MDB container.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You andanother user are""


Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  7 08:06:43 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:06:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause...You
	and	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <000001c38c6c$c5d60500$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEJKHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours already
trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct  7 08:27:34 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:27:34 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2963E@nnse14.nns.com>

Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 08:49:14 2003
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:49:14 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Updating a table 
Message-ID: <1760BC98927AD51181A60002A51EF7315B1DA8@SUMMIT01S003>

150 records are filtered from a table (tblMyTable) which holds about 1500
records. 120 of them are selected by the User and now I must enter the
phrase "bb3" into a field called "TheField" in the table. 

Is there a way to have a Query (or code) enter this in the correct 120
records, please, gurus?

paul

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 08:38:48 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:38:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2963E@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <007501c38cd8$56a3dd30$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...that was shameless :)))))

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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


> Write a macro?
>
> ...sorry couldn't resist;)
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
> I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP.
> It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms,
reports
> etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to
VB
> at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
> single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.
>
> Anyone know how this is done?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Tue Oct  7 08:47:52 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:47:52 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Updating a table 
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D43@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

have you tried using an update query??
 
alun

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Betreff: [AccessD] Updating a table 


150 records are filtered from a table (tblMyTable) which holds about 1500 records. 120 of them are selected by the User and now I must enter the phrase "bb3" into a field called "TheField" in the table. 

Is there a way to have a Query (or code) enter this in the correct 120 records, please, gurus?

paul

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  7 09:01:52 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:01:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] images in Access
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You may wish to contact Shamil or Jim Dettman - they worked with the
same task 1? years ago ... as quoted below.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-10-06 21:47

> I have a client that stored well over a hundred images in their db (employee
> pictures).  The db is bloated and slow, and I want to pull these images out
> and store them on disk.

> Does anyone have any code for reading the image out of a table, and saving
> the image to disk so that I can then replace the image with a link to the
> image?  Maybe even generate the path to the image and save that path back in
> another field?

<quote>

  It's not much as far as technique goes.  Since the OLE wrapper is not
documented anywhere, the only way to get a graphic is through a form
control.  From there, it's either sendkeys or OLE automation to control an
app (such as MS paint) to save the file.

  If you want a copy of what I sent to Shamil, just send me an e-mail
off-list.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net


> How about a working version?<g>
>
> I'll send it along in a few minutes.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net


>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:AccessD-
>     owner at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov
>     Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:18 PM
>     To: AccessD
>     Subject: [AccessD] Getting picture part of OLE object...
>
>     Hi All,
>
> Is the subj an easy task, which solution I'm missing?
>
> - let's imagine I manually inserted a .bmp, .gif, ... picture into OLE
> field of a table.
>
> Now, I'd like to perform "stripping" everything but picture and
> saving this pictureinto a file, i.e. I need to restore the original
> picture file and I need to do that BY CODE.
>
> Is there an easy solution of the subj?
>
> TALIA for any hints,
> Shamil

</quote>


From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Tue Oct  7 10:17:52 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:17:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E0F9729@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

When I try to run the following query access displays the error message
subquery returned multiple records 

SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD
FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
WHERE (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND
((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
(T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

If I change the query to the following no records are returned

SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD
FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
WHERE (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND
((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
(T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

What am I missing here. There should be records returned. Thanks

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  7 10:30:20 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:30:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E0F9729@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References:  <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E0F9729@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <16231906549.20031007173020@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

> When I try to run the following query access displays the error message
> subquery returned multiple records 

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD
> FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
> WHERE (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> If I change the query to the following no records are returned

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD
> FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
> WHERE (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> What am I missing here. There should be records returned.

Not if sum doesn't equal one record and the remaining are all zero ...

Try this using this condition as the last in the Where clause:

  .. AND T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD IN (SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
  where USRFLD1 ="Y");

/gustav


From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Tue Oct  7 10:50:57 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:50:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3EE2@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

Tried your suggestion with no change in the result. I checked and there
are 21 records on the subject date. I want to sum the records that meet
the subquery criteria. Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records


Hi Chester

> When I try to run the following query access displays the error 
> message subquery returned multiple records

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")

> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> If I change the query to the following no records are returned

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS") AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> What am I missing here. There should be records returned.

Not if sum doesn't equal one record and the remaining are all zero ...

Try this using this condition as the last in the Where clause:

  .. AND T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD IN (SELECT BOPD from
T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
  where USRFLD1 ="Y");

/gustav

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From Tony.Yeatman at creditlyonnais.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 10:56:28 2003
From: Tony.Yeatman at creditlyonnais.co.uk (Yeatman, Tony)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:56:28 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
Message-ID: <9FBDCD9CEFBAD611AA9600B0D03E86AB02949D9F@LNN052>

Try 

(SELECT MAX(BOPD) 
	From T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
	where USRFLD1 ="Y"
	)

Tony.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com]
Sent: 07 October 2003 16:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records


Tried your suggestion with no change in the result. I checked and there
are 21 records on the subject date. I want to sum the records that meet
the subquery criteria. Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records


Hi Chester

> When I try to run the following query access displays the error 
> message subquery returned multiple records

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")

> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> If I change the query to the following no records are returned

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS") AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

> What am I missing here. There should be records returned.

Not if sum doesn't equal one record and the remaining are all zero ...

Try this using this condition as the last in the Where clause:

  .. AND T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD IN (SELECT BOPD from
T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM
  where USRFLD1 ="Y");

/gustav

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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Tue Oct  7 11:14:33 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:14:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3EE3@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

Bad news. Still no records returned. Thanks for the idea.
-----Original Message-----
From: Yeatman, Tony [mailto:Tony.Yeatman at creditlyonnais.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records



Try 

(SELECT MAX(BOPD) 
        From T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
        where USRFLD1 ="Y" 
        ) 

Tony. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com] 
Sent: 07 October 2003 16:51 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records 


Tried your suggestion with no change in the result. I checked and there 
are 21 records on the subject date. I want to sum the records that meet 
the subquery criteria. Thanks 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:30 AM 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records 


Hi Chester 

> When I try to run the following query access displays the error 
> message subquery returned multiple records 

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")


> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT")); 

> If I change the query to the following no records are returned 

> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from 
> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS") AND 
> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT")); 

> What am I missing here. There should be records returned. 

Not if sum doesn't equal one record and the remaining are all zero ... 

Try this using this condition as the last in the Where clause: 

  .. AND T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD IN (SELECT BOPD from 
T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
  where USRFLD1 ="Y"); 

/gustav 

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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Oct  7 11:35:01 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:35:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65701@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the database.
This form has a Restore Window button in the top right corner than I cannot
seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to No, the Min Max Buttons set
to None.  I have searched the Options, Tools and Help and not found anything.
Does anyone know how to remove the restore window button?  

Also, there is a Help question box that is on the Access Menu Bar.  I'd like
to remove that as well.

Thanks,

Paula Wright
Programmer/Analyst
paulawright at boddienoell.com
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Tue Oct  7 12:06:13 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1896C9@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Paula -

Try changing the form's 'Border Style' property to Dialog.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Wright [mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button

 

I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the
database.  This form has a Restore Window button in the top right corner
than I cannot seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to No, the
Min Max Buttons set to None.  I have searched the Options, Tools and
Help and not found anything.  Does anyone know how to remove the restore
window button?  

Also, there is a Help question box that is on the Access Menu Bar.  I'd
like to remove that as well. 

Thanks, 

Paula Wright 
Programmer/Analyst 
paulawright at boddienoell.com <mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com>  
(252)937-2800 ext.1355 

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 12:40:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:40:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2963E@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPJFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  7 12:50:12 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:50:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPJFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPJFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <13140298616.20031007195012@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Ask a user to show you ...

/gustav


> Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


> Write a macro?

> ...sorry couldn't resist;)


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 12:58:06 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:58:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <13140298616.20031007195012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEPKFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

rotfl.

I have to assume from the responses I am getting that no one has code (or a
macro) to do this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Hi John

Ask a user to show you ...

/gustav


> Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


> Write a macro?

> ...sorry couldn't resist;)

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  7 13:02:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:02:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312355@infoserver01.infostat.local>

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP. It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open
forms, reports etc.  I thought there was something that would convert
ALL the macros to VB at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the
wizard converts that single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at
once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct  7 13:20:26 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:20:26 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29643@nnse14.nns.com>

Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000/htm
l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct  7 13:58:39 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:58:39 -0700 
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C36@EXCHMAIL>

I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I guess MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only. 

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs before
I start applying them?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  7 14:16:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:16:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312357@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Facetitious??  Moi??  For shame! <G>

Charlotte Foust

PS/  The link doesn't work, at least not any more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000
/htm
l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP. It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open
forms, reports etc.  I thought there was something that would convert
ALL the macros to VB at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the
wizard converts that single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at
once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Oct  7 14:31:13 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:31:13 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E21@NT04.karta.com>


I installed Office XP Professional without any difficulty on my machine at
home.
I also have Office 2000 professional on the same machine.
HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: David McAfee [mailto:DMcAfee at haascnc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not sure
whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I guess MS
wants everyone to start using Outlook Only. 

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs before
I start applying them?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Oct  7 14:32:53 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:32:53 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E22@NT04.karta.com>


It worked for me.  I had to try it twice, but it did work.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Facetitious??  Moi??  For shame! <G>

Charlotte Foust

PS/  The link doesn't work, at least not any more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000
/htm
l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP. It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open
forms, reports etc.  I thought there was something that would convert
ALL the macros to VB at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the
wizard converts that single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at
once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct  7 14:40:35 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:40:35 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29645@nnse14.nns.com>

It should work...I did a search on your constant and worked from there to
get to the "RunCommand Method Constants" page, then copied the url from the
address window.  But, if that link didn't work for some reason, a search on
all of MSDN for "RunCommand Method Constants" should return a list of hits.
When I did the search, the seventh link down was "RunCommand Method
Constants (Microsoft Office 2000 Language Reference)".  It shows
"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/off2000/html/accstRunMethodConstant
s.asp" as the link.  The same link as below...



Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Facetitious??  Moi??  For shame! <G>

Charlotte Foust

PS/  The link doesn't work, at least not any more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000
/htm
l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jonsulli at swbell.net  Tue Oct  7 14:51:05 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:51:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP - it didn't work
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29645@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29645@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3F831929.1030309@swbell.net>

Watch for word wrap. The link begins with "http" (duh) and ends with 
"asp" a line or 2 below .  Your word wrap mileage may vary.

John Sullivan

Mitsules, Mark wrote:

>It should work...I did a search on your constant and worked from there to
>get to the "RunCommand Method Constants" page, then copied the url from the
>address window.  But, if that link didn't work for some reason, a search on
>all of MSDN for "RunCommand Method Constants" should return a list of hits.
>When I did the search, the seventh link down was "RunCommand Method
>Constants (Microsoft Office 2000 Language Reference)".  It shows
>"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/off2000/html/accstRunMethodConstant
>s.asp" as the link.  The same link as below...
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:16 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>Facetitious??  Moi??  For shame! <G>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>PS/  The link doesn't work, at least not any more.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:20 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>Holy cow...Charlotte wasn't being facetious.
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/off2000
>/htm
>l/accstRunMethodConstants.asp
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>Believe me, I would (If I knew how).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>Write a macro?
>
>...sorry couldn't resist;)
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
>To: AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
>
>
>I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to AccessXP.
>It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open forms, reports
>etc.  I thought there was something that would convert ALL the macros to VB
>at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the wizard converts that
>single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at once.
>
>Anyone know how this is done?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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>
>  
>


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 15:01:52 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:01:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C36@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


> I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I guess
MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>
>
> OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
> blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
> am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
> there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
before
> I start applying them?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  7 15:03:12 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:03:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <009401c38cc2$eec185b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <3F831C00.9000409@shaw.ca>

Don't forget this. It is also a cumulative patch I believe for SP-4-5-6
Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7) for Windows XP
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6c1780c0-3f8f-4650-b6ad-11badf3f4dab&DisplayLang=en

William Hindman wrote:

>...one other thing ... www.woodyswatch.com ...I usually wait until he's
>approved any office patch before I apply it ...he's caught a couple of real
>bummers that MS subsequently fixed. :)
>
>William Hindman
><http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:26 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>
>
>  
>
>>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
>>blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
>>am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
>>there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
>>    
>>
>before
>  
>
>>I start applying them?
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct  7 15:20:46 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:20:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed
In-Reply-To: <200310070356.h973uUe21300@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007151727.025c5248@pop3.highstream.net>

David,

If you are not using an MDE you could do the following:

Right-click on the report and go to properties.
Enter No Print;No Preview in the description.
Change the description in code on the line
before opening it in Preview or Print mode.

If you need help with the code, let me know
and I will post it to the list.

I don't think you can change this property in an MDE.

Robert

At 10:56 PM 10/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:30:06 +1000
>From: "David Fenton" <dfe at nudgeeinternational.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed
>         only)
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
> 
><A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE7 at phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hello again,
>I have searched archives and looked through recent newsgroups for Access 
>Reports and found only a few tips on determining if a report is printed 
>rather than just previewed. None of them seem to hit the mark I'm after.
>
>I found this:
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/ARptTip.htm#PREVIEW
>but it doesn't quite suit.
>
>Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report has 
>been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from 
>printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag. But 
>one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not the same 
>as printing it. She can look at the report but change her mind and NOT 
>print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed' flag to be set. I 
>guess she's after a Cancel button on the print preview. I am not aware of 
>any cancel methods on the print preview page. I know there is an OnPrint 
>event, but it seems to apply to sections of the report, not the entire 
>report itself.
>
>I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then 
>putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of the 
>report itself, but it doesn't feel robust...
>Any ideas folks?
>Cheers
>David ????
>Brisbane
>Australia



From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Oct  7 16:02:37 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:02:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
In-Reply-To: <014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C36@EXCHMAIL>
	<014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <3F8329ED.6010202@verizon.net>

Using Windows XP, and Office XP, OE is disabled, and no longer 
functions, you "MUST" use Outlook.  It may be different in W2K, but this 
is an issue in XP.  In my scenario, I've just done away w/ both clients 
and use Mozilla Thunderbird.


William Hindman wrote:

> ...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> 
> 
> 
>>I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
> 
> sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I guess
> MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
> 
>>D
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
>>To: AccessD
>>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>>
>>
>>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes to
>>blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and I
>>am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.  Is
>>there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
> 
> before
> 
>>I start applying them?
>>

-- 
-Francisco



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  7 16:02:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:02:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312358@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've got OXP on WinXP with the latest service packs and OE still shows
up as an option.  I never use it so I don't know what the symptoms of
its being unavailable would be.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


Using Windows XP, and Office XP, OE is disabled, and no longer 
functions, you "MUST" use Outlook.  It may be different in W2K, but this

is an issue in XP.  In my scenario, I've just done away w/ both clients 
and use Mozilla Thunderbird.


William Hindman wrote:

> ...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
> lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> 
> 
> 
>>I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
> 
> sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I

> guess MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
> 
>>D
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
>>To: AccessD
>>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>>
>>
>>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my 
>>eyes to blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses 
>>Office XP and I am installing it on my server so I have a place to do 
>>XP development.  Is there anything (negative) I should know about 
>>Office XP service packs
> 
> before
> 
>>I start applying them?
>>

-- 
-Francisco


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  7 16:14:47 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:14:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
References: 	<657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C36@EXCHMAIL><014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<3F8329ED.6010202@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <018b01c38d18$0972b5f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I hate to tell you different Francisco but I have WinXP, OfficeXP, and
OE6 working just fine on multiple systems on and off networks ...don't know
where the "disabled" stuff is coming from but it certainly isn't so on my
systems :))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office XP service packs


> Using Windows XP, and Office XP, OE is disabled, and no longer
> functions, you "MUST" use Outlook.  It may be different in W2K, but this
> is an issue in XP.  In my scenario, I've just done away w/ both clients
> and use Mozilla Thunderbird.
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>
> > ...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
> >
> > sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I
guess
> > MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
> >
> >>D
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
> >>To: AccessD
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> >>
> >>
> >>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my eyes
to
> >>blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses Office XP and
I
> >>am installing it on my server so I have a place to do XP development.
Is
> >>there anything (negative) I should know about Office XP service packs
> >
> > before
> >
> >>I start applying them?
> >>
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
>
>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Oct  7 16:28:21 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:28:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312358@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312358@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F832FF5.2050605@verizon.net>

My sister in law was using OE with her windows XP system until she 
bought OXP.  I installed it and didn't think twice, but then she called 
me the next day to comment that her email wasn't working, upon 
investigating and running a repair on IE, and even attempting to install 
the latest IE6 sp1, OE was dead, it had a ton of errors you could not 
send any email nor received them.  I then set up Outlook for retreiving 
her email and everything has worked fine.  I remember when the RC2 
release for OXP that many users commented that their OE was breaking 
upon installing OXP.

of course her copy of XP is sans sp1.

Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I've got OXP on WinXP with the latest service packs and OE still shows
> up as an option.  I never use it so I don't know what the symptoms of
> its being unavailable would be.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
> 
> 
> Using Windows XP, and Office XP, OE is disabled, and no longer 
> functions, you "MUST" use Outlook.  It may be different in W2K, but this
> 
> is an issue in XP.  In my scenario, I've just done away w/ both clients 
> and use Mozilla Thunderbird.
> 
> 
> William Hindman wrote:
> 
> 
>>...OE works fine with OXP in an W2K Server environment :)))))
>>
>>William Hindman
>><http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
>>lifetime?
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:58 PM
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have heard that installing Office XP breaks Outlook Express. I'm not
>>
>>sure whether this is true or not, maybe someone with XP can confirm. I
> 
> 
>>guess MS wants everyone to start using Outlook Only.
>>
>>
>>>D
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:27 AM
>>>To: AccessD
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Office XP service packs
>>>
>>>
>>>OK, my experience with Win2K SP4 breaking SQL Server has opened my 
>>>eyes to blindly applying service packs.  I have a client that uses 
>>>Office XP and I am installing it on my server so I have a place to do 
>>>XP development.  Is there anything (negative) I should know about 
>>>Office XP service packs
>>
>>before
>>
>>
>>>I start applying them?
>>>
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco



From lists at theopg.com  Tue Oct  7 17:43:41 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:43:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
	because...You andanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEJJHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000201c38d24$74b8e800$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Any attempt to import, compact and repair etc. all gave the same error
message. I rewrote the code :O( The database is dead... Long live the
database :O)

Thanks anyway

mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You andanother user are""


Mark,

  That error message generally indicates that the MDB is corrupt.
Import evetying into a new MDB container.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You andanother user are""


Hello...

I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.

I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the process
because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at
the same time.". It doesn't go any further.

I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the
objects... :O(

Any ideas much appreciated

mark

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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Oct  7 17:47:23 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:47:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause...You
	and	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c38c89$daf0acc0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000301c38d24$f93fe880$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Tried that too... Same problem. I even sent it off to a company that
claims to be able to recover 90% of corrupt databases... All they could
get to was the tables... No forms, macros or modules.

This was my first real fatality... It was rough, I rewrote the code I
lost. I am now exporting the objects more or less every time I save
them... Backup mania :O)

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 05:17
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Decompile?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


> Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the 
> same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those 
> particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
> because...You and another user are""
>
>
> Mark:
>
> I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one 
> that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from 
> which you could import the object that's corrupted in the current 
> version?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...
> You and another user are""
>
>
> > Hello...
> >
> > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont 
> > open.
> >
> > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> > process because you and another user are attempting to change the 
> > same
>
> > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
> >
> > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> > objects... :O(
> >
> > Any ideas much appreciated
> >
> > mark
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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Oct  7 17:48:37 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:48:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
	processbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <000f01c38c6e$cc6ad330$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000401c38d25$2564df60$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Yep :O) Tried that too... just got errors there too.
 
Thanks anyway
 
mark

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 07 October 2003 02:03
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - have you tried JetComp on it yet?
 
HYPERLINK
"http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2002/articles/acRepairDamagedDbW
ithJetcomp.aspx"http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2002/articles/acR
epairDamagedDbWithJetcomp.aspx
 
Kath
 
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:lists at theopg.com"MarkH 
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discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""

Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Oct  7 17:52:09 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:52:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
	processbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEJKHIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000901c38d25$a3649450$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 18:34:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:34:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312355@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEAGFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Well... that runs IF you are in the macro window (command not available
otherwise) and converts the SINGLE macro that is currently selected.

There are ~50 different macros in the macro window.  I am trying to convert
ALL of them at once.  Sounds like I need to bracket that with code that
selects each macro in turn and then runs that line.  I was hoping someone
had done this already.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConvertMacrosToVisualBasic

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Believe me, I would (If I knew how).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


Write a macro?

...sorry couldn't resist;)


Mark



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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 3:50 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP


I am inheriting an OLD application converted over the years up to
AccessXP. It has ~50 macros that in general do nothing other than open
forms, reports etc.  I thought there was something that would convert
ALL the macros to VB at one shot.  I can select a SINGLE macro. and the
wizard converts that single macro, but I'd prefer to do them all at
once.

Anyone know how this is done?

John W. Colby
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Tue Oct  7 20:24:41 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:24:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
	theprocessbecause...Youand	another user are""
References: <000901c38d25$a3649450$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <001401c38d3a$f2ff67f0$6501a8c0@user>

Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


  Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
  several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
  hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

  Cheers

  Mark

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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
  Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
  processbecause...Youand another user are""


  Mark,

    Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
  already trying to get the old file to work.

  Jim Dettman
  President,
  Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
  (315) 699-3443
  jimdettman at earthlink.net

  -----Original Message-----
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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
  processbecause...You and another user are""


  Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
  same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
  particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

  Cheers

  Mark

  -----Original Message-----
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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
  - Beach Access Software
  Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
  because...You and another user are""


  Mark:

  I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
  that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
  you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

  Rocky

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  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
  You and another user are""


  > Hello...
  >
  > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
  >
  > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
  > process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

  > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
  >
  > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
  > objects... :O(
  >
  > Any ideas much appreciated
  >
  > mark
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct  7 20:48:02 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:48:02 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the processbecause..
	.Youand	another user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272DB@main2.marlow.com>

I think we have all been there.  My last one was when I was working on the
first release of the latest MiniCalendar version.  I had gotten a lot of
coding done on the form, and then I went to lock my desktop, and go have a
smoke, so I went to hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, then Enter, and by accident, I hit
delete just a hair to fast, but didn't catch myself before I hit the enter
key.

By by form.  A reputable recovery firm said no go on getting it back too.
Now I have a button on my keyboard that locks the desktop....no room for
error now.

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From dfe at nudgeeinternational.com  Wed Oct  8 00:00:22 2003
From: dfe at nudgeeinternational.com (David Fenton)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:00:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed (vs previewed only)
Message-ID: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE9@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>

Thanks Marty,
I think the code at that URL may come close to helping solve the problem.
I haven't had a chance to put it to use and test it yet.

The idea of looking for a document in the print queue sounds like the solution. If I can send the report name to a Boolean function which simply tells me if it's in the queue or not, I'd know if the document was printed or simply previewed. My only hope is that it is in the printer queue long enough to be picked up by the code.

I may end up with a hybrid, since some of these posted solutions are quite clever.

Thank you for your help.

Cheers for now
David ???? 
Brisbane Australia

Your message:
Message: 21
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:56:05 -0700
From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re:When is a report actually printed (vs previewed	only)
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F823955.4090406 at shaw.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Here is some vb 6 code to monitor the print queue with some caveats.

Microsoft print reports like word documents, may not give you correct 
no of pages.

It only monitors the print drivers unless the print driver for that 
specific printer continuously polls the machine. You wont get info about 
paper jams or low toner. Very few low end and medium printers do.
http://www.merrioncomputing.com/Programming/index.htm


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  8 04:33:27 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:33:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65701@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <3F83A1A7.31325.19A22B@localhost>

On 7 Oct 2003 at 12:35, Paula Wright wrote:

> I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the
> database. This form has a Restore Window button in the top right
> corner than I cannot seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to
> No, the Min Max Buttons set to None.  I have searched the Options,
> Tools and Help and not found anything. Does anyone know how to remove
> the restore window button?  

Have a look at http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0022.htm

That should give you what you need.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't 
matter and those who matter don't mind - Dr.Seuss



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  8 05:00:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:00:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Converting Macros - Access XP
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEAGFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEAGFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <13110231712.20031008120002@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Could this list of the macros' names help you:

  Select Name From MSysObjects Where Type = -32766

Or a series of (gosh) SendKeys commands and
Files, Save As/Export,
Save as Visual Basic module,
OK.

/gustav


> Well... that runs IF you are in the macro window (command not available
> otherwise) and converts the SINGLE macro that is currently selected.

> There are ~50 different macros in the macro window.  I am trying to convert
> ALL of them at once.  Sounds like I need to bracket that with code that
> selects each macro in turn and then runs that line.  I was hoping someone
> had done this already.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  8 05:08:35 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:08:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed (vs previewed
	only)
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE9@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
References: 	<A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE9@phoenix.student.nudgeeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <16210744680.20031008120835@cactus.dk>

Hi David

If you print directly to a network queue - as you often do using
Novell NetWare - I guess this method wouldn't be useful.

/gustav


> Thanks Marty,
> I think the code at that URL may come close to helping solve the problem.
> I haven't had a chance to put it to use and test it yet.

> The idea of looking for a document in the print queue sounds like the solution. If I can send the report name to a Boolean function which simply tells me if it's in the queue or not, I'd know if
> the document was printed or simply previewed. My only hope is that it is in the printer queue long enough to be picked up by the code.

> I may end up with a hybrid, since some of these posted solutions are quite clever.

> Thank you for your help.

> Cheers for now
> David ???? 
> Brisbane Australia

> Your message:
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:56:05 -0700
> From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re:When is a report actually printed (vs previewed     only)
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <3F823955.4090406 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

> Here is some vb 6 code to monitor the print queue with some caveats.

> Microsoft print reports like word documents, may not give you correct 
> no of pages.

> It only monitors the print drivers unless the print driver for that 
> specific printer continuously polls the machine. You wont get info about 
> paper jams or low toner. Very few low end and medium printers do.
> http://www.merrioncomputing.com/Programming/index.htm


From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct  8 07:05:10 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:05:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: When is a report actually printed
In-Reply-To: <A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE8@phoenix.student.nud
 geeinternational.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008070007.0259e300@pop3.highstream.net>

David,

You opened it in design view.  If your right click
on it in the database window and go to properties,
you will see what I was talking about.

What I was proposing was a way to determine if the
report had ever been printed or previewed.  Is
that what you want to track?  Or is it just for the
current user?

I use the description property because I do not have
to open the report in design view to read it.  I can
use the document collection to read the information.
I use it for displaying a list of reports and the
report category so I can use a single form to print
all reports.  Oh, and I also store the name of the form
to open for criteria if the report needs that also.
It is really handy.

Robert

At 02:54 PM 10/8/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>Thanks Robert,
>I looked at the properties of the report, but can find no description. 
>There's a Caption.
>
>I'm not sure I follow your line of thought. How will this help me 
>determine if the user actually printed the report rather than simply 
>previewed it and just closed the preview?
>
>I'd love to see your code - it may help me towards a solution.
>
>Marty Connelly from Canada posted a possible solution with this URL
>http://www.merrioncomputing.com/Programming/index.htm
>but I haven't had time to check it thoroughly yet.
>
>Cheers
>David ????
>Brisbane
>Australia
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert L. Stewart [mailto:rl_stewart at highstream.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 6:21 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Cc: David Fenton
>Subject: Re: When is a report actually printed
>
>David,
>
>If you are not using an MDE you could do the following:
>
>Right-click on the report and go to properties.
>Enter No Print;No Preview in the description.
>Change the description in code on the line
>before opening it in Preview or Print mode.
>
>If you need help with the code, let me know
>and I will post it to the list.
>
>I don't think you can change this property in an MDE.
>
>Robert
>
>At 10:56 PM 10/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:30:06 +1000
> >From: "David Fenton" <dfe at nudgeeinternational.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] When is a report actually printed (vs previewed
> >         only)
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID:
> >
> ><A3218B71657C264E8EAE5A90040B351103CBE7 at phoenix.student.nudgeeinternation 
> al.com>
> >
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >Hello again,
> >I have searched archives and looked through recent newsgroups for Access
> >Reports and found only a few tips on determining if a report is printed
> >rather than just previewed. None of them seem to hit the mark I'm after.
> >
> >I found this:
> >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/ARptTip.htm#PREVIEW
> >but it doesn't quite suit.
> >
> >Does anyone have any u-beaut ideas on how I can tell whether a report has
> >been previewed or printed? I do not want to prevent my users from
> >printing. In the OnClose event of the report I set a 'printed' flag. But
> >one of my users correctly pointed out that previewing it is not the same
> >as printing it. She can look at the report but change her mind and NOT
> >print it. In that case she doesn't want the 'printed' flag to be set. I
> >guess she's after a Cancel button on the print preview. I am not aware of
> >any cancel methods on the print preview page. I know there is an OnPrint
> >event, but it seems to apply to sections of the report, not the entire
> >report itself.
> >
> >I could have two buttons on the form - one preview and one print, then
> >putting the flag setting into OnClick on the print button instead of the
> >report itself, but it doesn't feel robust...
> >Any ideas folks?
> >Cheers
> >David ????
> >Brisbane
> >Australia



From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Wed Oct  8 07:32:11 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65718@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

No.  That didn't affect anything.

Paula

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:13 -0400
From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Restore button
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID:
	<B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1896C9 at wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Paula -

Try changing the form's 'Border Style' property to Dialog.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Wright [mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button

 

I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the database.
This form has a Restore Window button in the top right corner than I cannot
seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to No, the Min Max Buttons set
to None.  I have searched the Options, Tools and Help and not found anything.
Does anyone know how to remove the restore window button?  

Also, there is a Help question box that is on the Access Menu Bar.  I'd like
to remove that as well. 

Thanks, 

Paula Wright 
Programmer/Analyst 
paulawright at boddienoell.com <mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com>  
(252)937-2800 ext.1355 


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 08:35:14 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same 
size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 08:35:14 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same 
size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 08:35:14 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same 
size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 08:47:22 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:47:22 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D3064128823@mail2.wrsystems.com>

Without looking at the error codes, it sounds like you're not dumping your
transaction log.  SQL has two settings for backing up files, one were it's
cumulative (which sounds like what you have set) and one where the file is
dumped before the backup is created (and you can set the frequency).

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:35 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com; dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same

size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 08:35:14 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>


Hi Group,

All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the 
log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a 
message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same 
size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is 
no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is 
causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much 
space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed Oct  8 10:17:20 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:17:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB -
  Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008111353.031736a0@mail.psu.edu>

We ran into this once, and here is what was causing our problems.  If you 
look at the properties of your database in Enterpirse Manager,  there is a 
tab that says Options.  On this tab, there is a dropdown for recovery 
model.  Our logs were growing huge because we chose Full in the Recovery 
Model dropdown.  To fix the problem we chose Simple and this significantly 
reduced the size of our Transaction Logs.

Paul Liadis
University Budget Office
Penn State University

At 09:35 AM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi Group,
>
>All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
>log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
>message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same
>size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
>no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
>causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
>space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>www.pro-soft.net
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>service providers in your area). Click here.   https://broadband.msn.com
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct  8 10:35:03 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:35:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001901c38db1$be37c680$9111758f@aine>

Running a major cross tab report

A lot of the values are null

Problem

The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)

when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1

how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is tossing out my
calculations.



Martin



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 10:38:00 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:38:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk>
	<001901c38db1$be37c680$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <017501c38db2$87cab610$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?

Susan H. 


> Running a major cross tab report
> 
> A lot of the values are null
> 
> Problem
> 
> The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
> 
> when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
> 
> how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is tossing out my
> calculations.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct  8 10:47:03 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:47:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk><001901c38db1$be37c680$9111758f@aine>
	<017501c38db2$87cab610$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <000b01c38db3$6b342df0$9111758f@aine>

I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab


> Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Running a major cross tab report
> >
> > A lot of the values are null
> >
> > Problem
> >
> > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
> >
> > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
> >
> > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is tossing out my
> > calculations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 10:51:15 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:51:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENHFDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><16926598746.20031007160152@cactus.dk><001901c38db1$be37c680$9111758f@aine><017501c38db2$87cab610$220110ac@SUSANONE>
	<000b01c38db3$6b342df0$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <019501c38db4$02f164f0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Yeah, but what I mean is, can't you mask them via the query so that the
query handles them instead of letting them muck up the report?

NZ(value, "")

Or am I misunderstanding the problem? The report doesn't care if they're
really Null values or empty strings does it?

Susan H.


> I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.
>
> Martin



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 10:55:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:55:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Is the crosstab using the values as the column headings?  If so, you
could use a calculated field to return an IsNull expression.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 


I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab


> Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Running a major cross tab report
> >
> > A lot of the values are null
> >
> > Problem
> >
> > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
> >
> > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
> >
> > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is tossing out 
> > my calculations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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>

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct  8 11:11:00 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:11:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge!
In-Reply-To: <200310081556.h98FuEe18371@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008110804.025a0058@pop3.highstream.net>

Julie,

Here is the SQL code that I use for the log file:

CREATE PROCEDURE [DBO].[usp_Truncate_Log] AS
BEGIN
      EXEC sp_dboption 'DB_NAME' , 'trunc. log on chkpt.','TRUE'
END
BEGIN
      CHECKPOINT
END
BEGIN
      EXEC sp_dboption 'DB_NAME' , 'trunc. log on chkpt.','FALSE'
END
BEGIN
      DBCC SHRINKFILE(LogFileName,1)
END

GO

Replace DB_Name with the name of your database
Replace LogFileName with the name of your log file and do not put quotes 
around it like DB_Name has.

Robert

At 10:56 AM 10/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0400
>From: "Julie Reardon-Taylor" <prosoft6 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com, dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID: <BAY10-F80FC4XYOcpgV00014d2d at hotmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>
>Hi Group,
>
>All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
>log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
>message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the same
>size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
>no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
>causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
>space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>www.pro-soft.net



From James at fcidms.com  Wed Oct  8 11:18:11 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:18:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D925196219@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211B9@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

Hi all,
	I'm having a strange problem with Access 2000 SR-3, Windows 2000
Pro SP-3. I can no longer get the shortcut menu to popup when
right-clicking on a table or query in the database window of any
database using Access 2000. Right-Clicking selects the Table/Query but
does not popup a menu. The shortcut menu works for
forms/reports/macros/modules, just not for tables/queries. I've tried
deselecting/reselecting Allow Default Shortcut Menus but that had no
effect.  I've tried repairing and deleting and re-installing Office but
it still does not work correctly. I've deleted all Add-ins in case that
was the problem but nothing seems to fix this. I also have Access 97 and
XP loaded on the same machine and the shortcuts work correctly using
those, just not in Access 2000. Everything else seems to work correctly,
including custom shortcut menus for some forms. 
	Has anyone else had this problem and is there a solution? It
worked correctly last week and I don't think I've installed anything
since. 
	Any and all suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

James Barash


From melissasener at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  8 11:23:53 2003
From: melissasener at earthlink.net (Melissa F. Sener)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:23:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB -  Help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008111353.031736a0@mail.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <LBEBJJLKEGHCCNDDMHCICEMIEMAA.melissasener@earthlink.net>

What are the benefits of choosing Full Recovery Model?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Liadis
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help


We ran into this once, and here is what was causing our problems.  If you
look at the properties of your database in Enterpirse Manager,  there is a
tab that says Options.  On this tab, there is a dropdown for recovery
model.  Our logs were growing huge because we chose Full in the Recovery
Model dropdown.  To fix the problem we chose Simple and this significantly
reduced the size of our Transaction Logs.

Paul Liadis
University Budget Office
Penn State University

At 09:35 AM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi Group,
>
>All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
>log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
>message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the
same
>size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
>no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
>causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
>space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>www.pro-soft.net
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 12:03:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:03:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've seen this bizarre behavior as well on the same kind of setup.
Oddly enough, in my case switching to Excel or Word and popping up a
shortcut menu there seems to kick Office in the pants and give me back
my shortcut menus in Access .

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: James Barash [mailto:James at fcidms.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared


Hi all,
	I'm having a strange problem with Access 2000 SR-3, Windows 2000
Pro SP-3. I can no longer get the shortcut menu to popup when
right-clicking on a table or query in the database window of any
database using Access 2000. Right-Clicking selects the Table/Query but
does not popup a menu. The shortcut menu works for
forms/reports/macros/modules, just not for tables/queries. I've tried
deselecting/reselecting Allow Default Shortcut Menus but that had no
effect.  I've tried repairing and deleting and re-installing Office but
it still does not work correctly. I've deleted all Add-ins in case that
was the problem but nothing seems to fix this. I also have Access 97 and
XP loaded on the same machine and the shortcuts work correctly using
those, just not in Access 2000. Everything else seems to work correctly,
including custom shortcut menus for some forms. 
	Has anyone else had this problem and is there a solution? It
worked correctly last week and I don't think I've installed anything
since. 
	Any and all suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

James Barash

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Oct  8 12:05:14 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3063B5EC@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF04@ADGSERVER>

Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97 on
their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up to
about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I want
to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 12:16:45 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:16:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You'd be better of using the Wise Installer instead of the setup wizard.
You can include the runtime files with Wise as well, not just with a
package created by the setup wizard.  You will have to change the Wise
script, however.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an
install using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97
on their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried
the set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that
total up to about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for
testing?  All I want to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be
a moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Oct  8 13:06:14 2003
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:06:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF04@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <002101c38dc6$dce71a80$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

If this is a one time installation and the target computer does not have
any other versions of Access on it I'd go with the MS Deployment Wizard
built package.  We used this for distributing a package that went on
many different computers some with other versions of Access and we did
not have any problems.  The caveat is that I went through all the
knowledgebase articles on the 97 P&D wizard and made all the recommended
modifications.  I don't know that these articles are still available.
You might look.  If you want I can send a list of the article numbers
offline.

We have since moved to Wise and Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.  For a
large number of installations on unknown systems that seems to be the
most bullet proof way to go. I don't think that developing your own Wise
scripts would be cost effective.

Bottom line is that what ever you do should be tested on a similar
system to the target before deploying.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an
install using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97
on their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried
the set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that
total up to about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for
testing?  All I want to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be
a moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed Oct  8 13:08:38 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:08:38 -0800 
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120F01@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

You can also investigate the 'Switch' command, switching a <NULL> value for
an actual text string like "Null".

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 
> 
> 
> Is the crosstab using the values as the column headings?  If so, you
> could use a calculated field to return an IsNull expression.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 
> 
> 
> I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab
> 
> 
> > Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > > Running a major cross tab report
> > >
> > > A lot of the values are null
> > >
> > > Problem
> > >
> > > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
> > >
> > > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
> > >
> > > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is 
> tossing out 
> > > my calculations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 13:21:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:21:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I ran into issues using the setup wizard packages for 97 on machines
that had Office 2000 (not Access 2000) installed.  That permanently
cured any lingering affection I had for the MS wizard.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


If this is a one time installation and the target computer does not have
any other versions of Access on it I'd go with the MS Deployment Wizard
built package.  We used this for distributing a package that went on
many different computers some with other versions of Access and we did
not have any problems.  The caveat is that I went through all the
knowledgebase articles on the 97 P&D wizard and made all the recommended
modifications.  I don't know that these articles are still available.
You might look.  If you want I can send a list of the article numbers
offline.

We have since moved to Wise and Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.  For a
large number of installations on unknown systems that seems to be the
most bullet proof way to go. I don't think that developing your own Wise
scripts would be cost effective.

Bottom line is that what ever you do should be tested on a similar
system to the target before deploying.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an
install using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97
on their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried
the set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that
total up to about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for
testing?  All I want to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be
a moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed Oct  8 13:23:49 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:23:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB
  -  Help
In-Reply-To: <LBEBJJLKEGHCCNDDMHCICEMIEMAA.melissasener@earthlink.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008111353.031736a0@mail.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008142050.03eeda78@mail.psu.edu>

I believe Full Recovery Model gives the best chance to recover from a 
failure in a transactional environment.  I copied the following from SQL 
Server Books Online:

"Full Recovery provides the ability to recover the database to the point of 
failure or to a specific point in time. To guarantee this degree of 
recoverability, all operations, including bulk operations such as SELECT 
INTO, CREATE INDEX, and bulk loading data, are fully logged. "

My organization doesn't really need Full Recovery because our data doesn't 
change very often, and we aren't doing a lot of transactions.  With tape 
backups, we can recover from the previous day, which is ok for us.

Paul Liadis
Penn State University


At 09:23 AM 10/8/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>What are the benefits of choosing Full Recovery Model?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Liadis
>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:17 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer][AccessD] Re: SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help
>
>
>We ran into this once, and here is what was causing our problems.  If you
>look at the properties of your database in Enterpirse Manager,  there is a
>tab that says Options.  On this tab, there is a dropdown for recovery
>model.  Our logs were growing huge because we chose Full in the Recovery
>Model dropdown.  To fix the problem we chose Simple and this significantly
>reduced the size of our Transaction Logs.
>
>Paul Liadis
>University Budget Office
>Penn State University
>
>At 09:35 AM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Group,
> >
> >All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
> >log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
> >message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the
>same
> >size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
> >no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
> >causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
> >space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
> >
> >
> >Julie Reardon-Taylor
> >PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
> >www.pro-soft.net
> >
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct  8 13:30:45 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:30:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Book Recommendation
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631235D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001e01c38dca$4b3d13b0$42f66e51@martin1>

I dont normally push books but this one will be good. I know some list
members are working with .NET

Developing Killer Web Apps with Dreamweaver MX? and C#T

Due out in Jan. Published by Sybex.

You actually dont need Dreamweaver to use it. Some of the stuff is the best
intro to .NET programming I have seen. I am the technical editor for the
book. Its all C sharp stuff and some is fairly complex but for anyone using
dreamweaver and .net and want a good intro to dreamweaver and C Sharp its a
good book.


Martin


From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct  8 13:32:55 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:32:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't Find"
In-Reply-To: <009901c37d4e$14ba7170$5d0ed018@W2k>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEDCDFAA.askolits@ot.com>


I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
'using a macro'.

But I can call it from the Immediate window.

The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

John Skolits



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Oct  8 13:34:00 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:34:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3063B666@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF09@ADGSERVER>

Thanks Charlotte and Doug for the information.

This is more of an exception install at that location.  I do not know if
they have Off2k, OffXP, or Off2003.  I was just looking for a simple way of
getting the runtime onto their system.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


I ran into issues using the setup wizard packages for 97 on machines that
had Office 2000 (not Access 2000) installed.  That permanently cured any
lingering affection I had for the MS wizard.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


If this is a one time installation and the target computer does not have any
other versions of Access on it I'd go with the MS Deployment Wizard built
package.  We used this for distributing a package that went on many
different computers some with other versions of Access and we did not have
any problems.  The caveat is that I went through all the knowledgebase
articles on the 97 P&D wizard and made all the recommended modifications.  I
don't know that these articles are still available. You might look.  If you
want I can send a list of the article numbers offline.

We have since moved to Wise and Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.  For a
large number of installations on unknown systems that seems to be the most
bullet proof way to go. I don't think that developing your own Wise scripts
would be cost effective.

Bottom line is that what ever you do should be tested on a similar system to
the target before deploying.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
using an older copy of Wise Installer.  

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97 on
their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up to
about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I want
to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  8 13:39:49 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:39:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007151727.025c5248@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <3F8459F5.6000809@shaw.ca>

If anyone wants to play around with interogating the Print Spooler and Queue
Here is some starter code to examine it through WMI otherwise you have 
to use winSpool.dll
WMI needs an install for Win9x and works remotely in Win2000 WinXP

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'Private Enum PrinterStatus
'    PrinterIdle = 3
'    PrinterPrinting = 4
'    PrinterWarmingUp = 5
'    ' For more states see WMI docs.
'End Enum
Sub LookthruWinSpooler()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object
'The Win32_PrintJob WMI class represents a print job generated
'by a Windows application. Any unit of work generated
'by the print command of an application running on a
'Windows system is a descendent (or member) of this class.
'Documentation of WMI classes:
' set reference to WMICntl 1.0 class library wbemcntl.dll

'http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wmisdk/wmi/wmi_classes.asp
'http://www.activxperts.com/activmonitor/windowsmanagement/wmisamples/
On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "." 'local computer
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_PrintJob", , 48)
For Each objItem In colItems
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
    Debug.Print "DataType: " & objItem.DataType
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objItem.Description
    Debug.Print "Document: " & objItem.Document
    Debug.Print "DriverName: " & objItem.DriverName
    Debug.Print "ElapsedTime: " & objItem.ElapsedTime
    Debug.Print "HostPrintQueue: " & objItem.HostPrintQueue
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objItem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "JobId: " & objItem.JobId
    Debug.Print "JobStatus: " & objItem.JobStatus
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objItem.Name
    Debug.Print "Notify: " & objItem.Notify
    Debug.Print "Owner: " & objItem.Owner
    Debug.Print "PagesPrinted: " & objItem.PagesPrinted
    Debug.Print "Parameters: " & objItem.Parameters
    Debug.Print "PrintProcessor: " & objItem.PrintProcessor
    Debug.Print "Priority: " & objItem.Priority
    Debug.Print "Size: " & objItem.Size
    Debug.Print "StartTime: " & WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.StartTime)
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objItem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusMask: " & objItem.StatusMask
    Debug.Print "TimeSubmitted: " & 
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.TimeSubmitted)
    Debug.Print "TotalPages: " & objItem.TotalPages
    Debug.Print "UntilTime: " & objItem.UntilTime
Next
End Sub

Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String
WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/" & _
  Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _
  & " " & Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _
  Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" & Mid(dtmInstallDate, 13, 2))
End Function

Sub Win32_Printer()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object

'The Win32_Printer WMI class represents a device connected
'to a Windows computer system that can reproduce a
'visual image on paper or other medium.

On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_Printer", , 48)
For Each objItem In colItems
    Debug.Print "Attributes: " & objItem.Attributes
    Debug.Print "Availability: " & objItem.Availability
    Debug.Print "AveragePagesPerMinute: " & objItem.AveragePagesPerMinute
    Debug.Print "Capabilities: " & objItem.Capabilities
    Debug.Print "CapabilityDescriptions: " & objItem.CapabilityDescriptions
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerErrorCode: " & objItem.ConfigManagerErrorCode
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerUserConfig: " & 
objItem.ConfigManagerUserConfig
    Debug.Print "CreationClassName: " & objItem.CreationClassName
    Debug.Print "DefaultPriority: " & objItem.DefaultPriority
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objItem.Description
    Debug.Print "DetectedErrorState: " & objItem.DetectedErrorState
    Debug.Print "DeviceID: " & objItem.DeviceID
    Debug.Print "DriverName: " & objItem.DriverName
    Debug.Print "ErrorCleared: " & objItem.ErrorCleared
    Debug.Print "ErrorDescription: " & objItem.ErrorDescription
    Debug.Print "HorizontalResolution: " & objItem.HorizontalResolution
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objItem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "JobCountSinceLastReset: " & objItem.JobCountSinceLastReset
    Debug.Print "LanguagesSupported: " & objItem.LanguagesSupported
    Debug.Print "LastErrorCode: " & objItem.LastErrorCode
    Debug.Print "Location: " & objItem.Location
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objItem.Name
    Debug.Print "PaperSizesSupported: " & objItem.PaperSizesSupported
    Debug.Print "PNPDeviceID: " & objItem.PNPDeviceID
    Debug.Print "PortName: " & objItem.PortName
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementCapabilities: " & 
objItem.PowerManagementCapabilities
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementSupported: " & 
objItem.PowerManagementSupported
    Debug.Print "PrinterPaperNames: " & objItem.PrinterPaperNames
    Debug.Print "PrinterState: " & objItem.PrinterState
    Debug.Print "PrinterStatus: " & objItem.Printerstatus
    Debug.Print "PrintJobDataType: " & objItem.PrintJobDataType
    Debug.Print "PrintProcessor: " & objItem.PrintProcessor
    Debug.Print "SeparatorFile: " & objItem.SeparatorFile
    Debug.Print "ServerName: " & objItem.ServerName
    Debug.Print "ShareName: " & objItem.ShareName
    Debug.Print "SpoolEnabled: " & objItem.SpoolEnabled
    Debug.Print "StartTime: " & objItem.StartTime
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objItem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusInfo: " & objItem.StatusInfo
    Debug.Print "SystemCreationClassName: " & 
objItem.SystemCreationClassName
    Debug.Print "SystemName: " & objItem.SystemName
    Debug.Print "TimeOfLastReset: " & objItem.TimeOfLastReset
    Debug.Print "UntilTime: " & objItem.UntilTime
    Debug.Print "VerticalResolution: " & objItem.VerticalResolution
Next
End Sub

Sub PrintQueueStats()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colPrintJobs As Object
Dim objPrintJob As Object
Dim intTotalJobs As Long
Dim intTotalPages As Long
Dim intMaxPrintJob As Long
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:" _
    & "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colPrintJobs = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
    ("SELECT * FROM Win32_PrintJob")
For Each objPrintJob In colPrintJobs
    intTotalJobs = intTotalJobs + 1
    intTotalPages = intTotalPages + objPrintJob.TotalPages
    If objPrintJob.TotalPages > intMaxPrintJob Then
        intMaxPrintJob = objPrintJob.TotalPages
    End If
Next
Debug.Print "Total print jobs in queue: " & intTotalJobs
Debug.Print "Total pages in queue: " & intTotalPages
Debug.Print "Largest print job pages in queue: " & intMaxPrintJob
End Sub




From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Oct  8 13:58:47 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:58:47 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2964C@nnse14.nns.com>

I've messed with this in the past...if only I had administrator privileges
on those remote print servers:(


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: When is a report actually printed


If anyone wants to play around with interogating the Print Spooler and Queue
Here is some starter code to examine it through WMI otherwise you have 
to use winSpool.dll
WMI needs an install for Win9x and works remotely in Win2000 WinXP

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'Private Enum PrinterStatus
'    PrinterIdle = 3
'    PrinterPrinting = 4
'    PrinterWarmingUp = 5
'    ' For more states see WMI docs.
'End Enum
Sub LookthruWinSpooler()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object
'The Win32_PrintJob WMI class represents a print job generated 'by a Windows
application. Any unit of work generated 'by the print command of an
application running on a 'Windows system is a descendent (or member) of this
class. 'Documentation of WMI classes: ' set reference to WMICntl 1.0 class
library wbemcntl.dll

'http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wmisdk/wmi
/wmi_classes.asp
'http://www.activxperts.com/activmonitor/windowsmanagement/wmisamples/
On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "." 'local computer
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_PrintJob", , 48)
For Each objItem In colItems
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
    Debug.Print "DataType: " & objItem.DataType
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objItem.Description
    Debug.Print "Document: " & objItem.Document
    Debug.Print "DriverName: " & objItem.DriverName
    Debug.Print "ElapsedTime: " & objItem.ElapsedTime
    Debug.Print "HostPrintQueue: " & objItem.HostPrintQueue
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objItem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "JobId: " & objItem.JobId
    Debug.Print "JobStatus: " & objItem.JobStatus
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objItem.Name
    Debug.Print "Notify: " & objItem.Notify
    Debug.Print "Owner: " & objItem.Owner
    Debug.Print "PagesPrinted: " & objItem.PagesPrinted
    Debug.Print "Parameters: " & objItem.Parameters
    Debug.Print "PrintProcessor: " & objItem.PrintProcessor
    Debug.Print "Priority: " & objItem.Priority
    Debug.Print "Size: " & objItem.Size
    Debug.Print "StartTime: " & WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.StartTime)
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objItem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusMask: " & objItem.StatusMask
    Debug.Print "TimeSubmitted: " & 
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.TimeSubmitted)
    Debug.Print "TotalPages: " & objItem.TotalPages
    Debug.Print "UntilTime: " & objItem.UntilTime
Next
End Sub

Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String WMIDateStringToDate =
CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/" & _
  Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _
  & " " & Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _
  Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" & Mid(dtmInstallDate, 13, 2)) End
Function

Sub Win32_Printer()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object

'The Win32_Printer WMI class represents a device connected
'to a Windows computer system that can reproduce a
'visual image on paper or other medium.

On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_Printer", , 48)
For Each objItem In colItems
    Debug.Print "Attributes: " & objItem.Attributes
    Debug.Print "Availability: " & objItem.Availability
    Debug.Print "AveragePagesPerMinute: " & objItem.AveragePagesPerMinute
    Debug.Print "Capabilities: " & objItem.Capabilities
    Debug.Print "CapabilityDescriptions: " & objItem.CapabilityDescriptions
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerErrorCode: " & objItem.ConfigManagerErrorCode
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerUserConfig: " & 
objItem.ConfigManagerUserConfig
    Debug.Print "CreationClassName: " & objItem.CreationClassName
    Debug.Print "DefaultPriority: " & objItem.DefaultPriority
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objItem.Description
    Debug.Print "DetectedErrorState: " & objItem.DetectedErrorState
    Debug.Print "DeviceID: " & objItem.DeviceID
    Debug.Print "DriverName: " & objItem.DriverName
    Debug.Print "ErrorCleared: " & objItem.ErrorCleared
    Debug.Print "ErrorDescription: " & objItem.ErrorDescription
    Debug.Print "HorizontalResolution: " & objItem.HorizontalResolution
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objItem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "JobCountSinceLastReset: " & objItem.JobCountSinceLastReset
    Debug.Print "LanguagesSupported: " & objItem.LanguagesSupported
    Debug.Print "LastErrorCode: " & objItem.LastErrorCode
    Debug.Print "Location: " & objItem.Location
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objItem.Name
    Debug.Print "PaperSizesSupported: " & objItem.PaperSizesSupported
    Debug.Print "PNPDeviceID: " & objItem.PNPDeviceID
    Debug.Print "PortName: " & objItem.PortName
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementCapabilities: " & 
objItem.PowerManagementCapabilities
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementSupported: " & 
objItem.PowerManagementSupported
    Debug.Print "PrinterPaperNames: " & objItem.PrinterPaperNames
    Debug.Print "PrinterState: " & objItem.PrinterState
    Debug.Print "PrinterStatus: " & objItem.Printerstatus
    Debug.Print "PrintJobDataType: " & objItem.PrintJobDataType
    Debug.Print "PrintProcessor: " & objItem.PrintProcessor
    Debug.Print "SeparatorFile: " & objItem.SeparatorFile
    Debug.Print "ServerName: " & objItem.ServerName
    Debug.Print "ShareName: " & objItem.ShareName
    Debug.Print "SpoolEnabled: " & objItem.SpoolEnabled
    Debug.Print "StartTime: " & objItem.StartTime
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objItem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusInfo: " & objItem.StatusInfo
    Debug.Print "SystemCreationClassName: " & 
objItem.SystemCreationClassName
    Debug.Print "SystemName: " & objItem.SystemName
    Debug.Print "TimeOfLastReset: " & objItem.TimeOfLastReset
    Debug.Print "UntilTime: " & objItem.UntilTime
    Debug.Print "VerticalResolution: " & objItem.VerticalResolution Next End
Sub

Sub PrintQueueStats()
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colPrintJobs As Object
Dim objPrintJob As Object
Dim intTotalJobs As Long
Dim intTotalPages As Long
Dim intMaxPrintJob As Long
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:" _
    & "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colPrintJobs = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
    ("SELECT * FROM Win32_PrintJob")
For Each objPrintJob In colPrintJobs
    intTotalJobs = intTotalJobs + 1
    intTotalPages = intTotalPages + objPrintJob.TotalPages
    If objPrintJob.TotalPages > intMaxPrintJob Then
        intMaxPrintJob = objPrintJob.TotalPages
    End If
Next
Debug.Print "Total print jobs in queue: " & intTotalJobs Debug.Print "Total
pages in queue: " & intTotalPages Debug.Print "Largest print job pages in
queue: " & intMaxPrintJob End Sub



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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 14:01:40 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:01:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help Thank You!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY10-F95cSrjIqI1OZ00016ab3@hotmail.com>

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  I have worked all day to clear 
up the problem, and have managed to shrink the transaction log as well as 
the database back to their normal size.  Still not sure what caused it 
though.

I will look at each of your suggestions to prevent this from happening in 
the future.  Really appreciate all of your responses!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From bobbedell15 at msn.com  Wed Oct  8 14:02:35 2003
From: bobbedell15 at msn.com (Bob Bedell)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:02:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help
Message-ID: <BAY4-F25EgJXOxJagXT00004133@hotmail.com>

Pardon me for jumping in, but a similar issue has been bugging me too. I'm 
not quite sure how this is supposed to work. When you perform a backup in 
SQL Server, all of the committed transactions are supposed to be cleard from 
the transaction log, right? So after performing a backup, I can run a 
function to view the active portion of the log, and there are only a few 
entries in it. But the physical size of the log hasn't gotten any smaller on 
disk. I have the log set to auto-grow. Is it the case that the physical 
allocation of the log grows as the log grows, and then when a backup is 
performed and the comitted transactions are cleared, the physical allocation 
of the log remains at the same siza it grew to, its just empty now. Or if I 
backup a 10 MG log, is the physical size of the log supposed to shrink to 
1MG or whatever. Any clarification regarding this would really help.

Thanks,

Bob


>From: Randall Anthony <ranthony at wrsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge!   10GB - Help
>Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:47:22 -0400
>
>Without looking at the error codes, it sounds like you're not dumping your
>transaction log.  SQL has two settings for backing up files, one were it's
>cumulative (which sounds like what you have set) and one where the file is
>dumped before the backup is created (and you can set the frequency).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:35 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com; dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help
>
>
>Hi Group,
>
>All of a sudden, my BEDB.dbf file has grown huge.  The file itself and the
>log file are at 10GB.  I tried shrinking the database, and received a
>message saying that it was successful, however, the files are still the 
>same
>
>size.  I'm receiving an event log error ID 17052 that states that there is
>no more room in the log file.  How can I resolve this problem?  It is
>causing problems on the server because the files are taking up so much
>space.  It is error 9002, severity 17.
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>www.pro-soft.net
>
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 14:02:37 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:02:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help Thank You!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY10-F31RAxoQMhstP00016aa6@hotmail.com>

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  I have worked all day to clear 
up the problem, and have managed to shrink the transaction log as well as 
the database back to their normal size.  Still not sure what caused it 
though.

I will look at each of your suggestions to prevent this from happening in 
the future.  Really appreciate all of your responses!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From James at fcidms.com  Wed Oct  8 14:09:45 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:09:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D92519628D@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250DF532@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

Charlotte:
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately it didn't work. Maybe because
Access is the only Office 2000 product I have loaded. At least it gave
me something new to try.

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared


I've seen this bizarre behavior as well on the same kind of setup. Oddly
enough, in my case switching to Excel or Word and popping up a shortcut
menu there seems to kick Office in the pants and give me back my
shortcut menus in Access .

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: James Barash [mailto:James at fcidms.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table/Query Shortcut Menu Disappeared


Hi all,
	I'm having a strange problem with Access 2000 SR-3, Windows 2000
Pro SP-3. I can no longer get the shortcut menu to popup when
right-clicking on a table or query in the database window of any
database using Access 2000. Right-Clicking selects the Table/Query but
does not popup a menu. The shortcut menu works for
forms/reports/macros/modules, just not for tables/queries. I've tried
deselecting/reselecting Allow Default Shortcut Menus but that had no
effect.  I've tried repairing and deleting and re-installing Office but
it still does not work correctly. I've deleted all Add-ins in case that
was the problem but nothing seems to fix this. I also have Access 97 and
XP loaded on the same machine and the shortcuts work correctly using
those, just not in Access 2000. Everything else seems to work correctly,
including custom shortcut menus for some forms. 
	Has anyone else had this problem and is there a solution? It
worked correctly last week and I don't think I've installed anything
since. 
	Any and all suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

James Barash

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  8 14:02:37 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:02:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]
	Re: [AccessD] SQL LOG File is Huge! 10GB - Help Thank You!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY10-F31RAxoQMhstP00016aa6@hotmail.com>

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  I have worked all day to clear 
up the problem, and have managed to shrink the transaction log as well as 
the database back to their normal size.  Still not sure what caused it 
though.

I will look at each of your suggestions to prevent this from happening in 
the future.  Really appreciate all of your responses!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Wed Oct  8 14:52:51 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:52:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <BAY4-F28JKs8TAGUjGn00018ee4@hotmail.com>

Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is all you 
need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way to 
know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that is not 
built into Access97.

Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it and 
try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work before you 
release it.  Even the install.


Todd.


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400

Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
using an older copy of Wise Installer.

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97 on
their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up to
about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I want
to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Wed Oct  8 14:52:51 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:52:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <BAY4-F28JKs8TAGUjGn00018ee4@hotmail.com>

Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is all you 
need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way to 
know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that is not 
built into Access97.

Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it and 
try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work before you 
release it.  Even the install.


Todd.


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400

Hey,

Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
using an older copy of Wise Installer.

Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97 on
their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up to
about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I want
to do is load the run-time on their PCs.

We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
moot point later.  But for now...


Thanks,
Bobby

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From lists at theopg.com  Wed Oct  8 15:03:30 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:03:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -
	..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <001401c38d3a$f2ff67f0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000401c38dd7$3eb83310$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg
in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that
was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work
out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:lists at theopg.com"MarkH 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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isors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
HYPERLINK "mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net"jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct  8 15:32:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:32:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
	Find"
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEDCDFAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECKFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

Shoot the user.

It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it will
damned sure make the next user think twice before...

Uhhh....

Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
Find"



I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
'using a macro'.

But I can call it from the Immediate window.

The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

John Skolits


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 15:42:49 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:42:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECKFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00e901c38ddc$bd1a12f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...I got half way through posting a suggestion that he "Colbyize" the
user as his first step ...then it dawned on me that I'd probably have to
explain that and that's just too damn much trouble these days :)))

...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the door
...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> Shoot the user.
>
> It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
will
> damned sure make the next user think twice before...
>
> Uhhh....
>
> Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Skolits
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
> Find"
>
>
>
> I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
> 'using a macro'.
>
> But I can call it from the Immediate window.
>
> The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> John Skolits
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 15:46:53 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:46:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
References: <BAY4-F28JKs8TAGUjGn00018ee4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f401c38ddd$4e945a60$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...you absolutely have to do a trial install on a clean system ...there are
a number of things that work in Access that don't work in the runtime
installs ...and damned little info from MS on them :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Buttrey" <todd_5036 at msn.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


> Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is all
you
> need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way
to
> know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that is
not
> built into Access97.
>
> Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it and
> try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work before you
> release it.  Even the install.
>
>
> Todd.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400
>
> Hey,
>
> Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO I
> have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an install
> using an older copy of Wise Installer.
>
> Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 97
on
> their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
> set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total up
to
> about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I
want
> to do is load the run-time on their PCs.
>
> We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will be a
> moot point later.  But for now...
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct  8 16:30:01 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:30:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECKFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFIEDHDFAA.askolits@ot.com>

I will pass your suggestion onto my customer.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


>The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

Shoot the user.

It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it will
damned sure make the next user think twice before...

Uhhh....

Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
Find"



I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
'using a macro'.

But I can call it from the Immediate window.

The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the setup.
Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
ideas?

John Skolits


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 16:45:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:45:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFIEDHDFAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <012501c38de5$8a4c4fb0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...actually John, I'd first see if there was a system restore point set by
XP before the reload began ...if there was its quite possible you can return
the system to full functionality without any further ado ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> I will pass your suggestion onto my customer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> Shoot the user.
>
> It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
will
> damned sure make the next user think twice before...
>
> Uhhh....
>
> Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Skolits
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
> Find"
>
>
>
> I get this message when I simply call a basic function from within Access
> 'using a macro'.
>
> But I can call it from the Immediate window.
>
> The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> John Skolits
>
>
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 16:46:52 2003
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:46:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] amortization
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008142050.03eeda78@mail.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEAEDFCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

I am looking for some code/examples of creating an amortization
table/report.
I will have a beginning date, loan amount, a rate, and a period of time.
How can I make a report/table that reads:

Date   Payment Number   Payment Amount   Balance


TIA

Bob Heygood




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 17:02:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:02:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] amortization
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3D9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I used to regularly crib the formulas for stuff like this from my HP
calculator book! <VBG>  Actually VBA has a whole bunch of Financial
functions like NPV FV and PV that should work to give you what you want.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Heygood [mailto:bheygood at abestsystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] amortization


I am looking for some code/examples of creating an amortization
table/report. I will have a beginning date, loan amount, a rate, and a
period of time. How can I make a report/table that reads:

Date   Payment Number   Payment Amount   Balance


TIA

Bob Heygood



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct  8 17:28:36 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:28:36 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Y
	ouand	another user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F3@main2.marlow.com>

It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem.
Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The
laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an
hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out
how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net> 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct  8 17:54:26 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:54:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] amortization
In-Reply-To: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEAEDFCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031008142050.03eeda78@mail.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <3F852242.5397.2080B6@localhost>

On 8 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Bob Heygood wrote:

> I am looking for some code/examples of creating an amortization
> table/report.
> I will have a beginning date, loan amount, a rate, and a period of time.
> How can I make a report/table that reads:
> 
> Date   Payment Number   Payment Amount   Balance
> 
> 
Take a loook at the example for the PPMT function in Help. 

 
-- 
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From LYTLEN at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct  8 18:00:43 2003
From: LYTLEN at peoplepc.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
	What to do when subreport used as textbox source has no data
Message-ID: <005801c38df0$033f3f90$459595ce@servone>

I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related by the field
ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports (Main and 2
subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values in the subreports
to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- sub3.field -
sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where the ProgramCode has
no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show and the textbox is
filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use txtAB = Sub1.field +
sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked field.

Hope I explained this okay.
TIA
Nancy L

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From djkr at msn.com  Wed Oct  8 18:10:20 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:10:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can't
	Find"
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEDCDFAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c38df1$581323f0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

No, but when you said WIN XP, did you mean Office XP?

John


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> Sent: 08 October 2003 19:33
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft 
> Access Can't Find"
> 
> 
> 
> I get this message when I simply call a basic function from 
> within Access 'using a macro'.
> 
> But I can call it from the Immediate window.
> 
> The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he 
> cancelled the process. XP was already on it so there was no 
> need for him to run the setup. Once he realized it he 
> cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any ideas?
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct  8 18:22:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:22:41 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  What to do when subreport used as textbox source h
	as no data
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F6@main2.marlow.com>

Just a thought, on the OnFormat of each subreport, go and 'add' the fields
to that other textbox, that way, if there is no data for a subreport, there
won't be an OnFormat event.
 
Drew

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From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:LYTLEN at peoplepc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:01 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has no
data



I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related by the field
ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports (Main and 2
subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values in the subreports
to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- sub3.field -
sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where the ProgramCode has
no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show and the textbox is
filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use txtAB = Sub1.field +
sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked field.

Hope I explained this okay.
TIA
Nancy L


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From lists at theopg.com  Wed Oct  8 18:32:44 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:32:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -
	..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F3@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001201c38df4$79a774a0$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not
just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you
mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

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From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg
in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that
was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work
out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

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discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 18:34:29 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:34:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has no
	data
References: <005801c38df0$033f3f90$459595ce@servone>
Message-ID: <004401c38df4$b86613e0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...sounds like an IIF to me :)))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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  From: Nancy Lytle 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:00 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has no data


  I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related by the field
  ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports (Main and 2
  subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values in the subreports
  to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- sub3.field -
  sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where the ProgramCode has
  no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show and the textbox is
  filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use txtAB = Sub1.field +
  sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked field.

  Hope I explained this okay.
  TIA
  Nancy L

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From chizotz at charter.net  Wed Oct  8 18:39:25 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:39:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 	What to do when subreport used as textbox
 source has no data
In-Reply-To: <005801c38df0$033f3f90$459595ce@servone>
Message-ID: <web-33978719@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>

Hi Nancy,

The problem, I believe, is that when there is a null value 
the whole expression evaluates to null. I have solved this 
a few ways, but the easiest in most cases is something 
like this: txtAB = iif(Sub1.field,Sub1.field,0) + 
iif(sub2.field,sub2.field,0)- iif(sub3.field, 
sub3.field,0). I work mainly in Acc97, but in Acc2k and 
above there is also a NV function you could look at. This 
isn't perfect for all cases, but it does work for me.

HTH,

Ron



On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
  "Nancy Lytle" <LYTLEN at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related 
>by the field
>ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports 
>(Main and 2
>subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values 
>in the subreports
>to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- 
>sub3.field -
>sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where 
>the ProgramCode has
>no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show 
>and the textbox is
>filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use 
>txtAB = Sub1.field +
>sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked 
>field.
>
>Hope I explained this okay.
>TIA
>Nancy L
>
>N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
>240-274-0069
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct  8 19:13:47 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:13:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand
	another user are""
References: <001201c38df4$79a774a0$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <006d01c38dfa$356619d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Message...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow the be mdb ime.

William Hindman
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  From: MarkH 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


  Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?

  Cheers

  Mark
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    Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


    It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.

    Drew
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      Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an hour later. 

      Mark
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        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
        Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


        Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
        Kath
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          From: MarkH 
          To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
          Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


          Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
          several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
          hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

          Cheers

          Mark

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          From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
          Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
          processbecause...Youand another user are""


          Mark,

            Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
          already trying to get the old file to work.

          Jim Dettman
          President,
          Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
          (315) 699-3443
          jimdettman at earthlink.net

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          From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
          Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
          To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
          processbecause...You and another user are""


          Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
          same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
          particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

          Cheers

          Mark

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          From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
          - Beach Access Software
          Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
          because...You and another user are""


          Mark:

          I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
          that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
          you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

          Rocky

          ----- Original Message -----
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          To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
          <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
          Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
          Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
          You and another user are""


          > Hello...
          >
          > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
          >
          > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
          > process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

          > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
          >
          > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
          > objects... :O(
          >
          > Any ideas much appreciated
          >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  8 19:15:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:15:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 	What to do when subreport used as textbox source has
	no data
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3DA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Do you possibly mean an Nz function?  If so, it was also available in
Access 97, as is IsNull.  I've never seen an NV function in Access.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source
has no data


Hi Nancy,

The problem, I believe, is that when there is a null value 
the whole expression evaluates to null. I have solved this 
a few ways, but the easiest in most cases is something 
like this: txtAB = iif(Sub1.field,Sub1.field,0) + 
iif(sub2.field,sub2.field,0)- iif(sub3.field, 
sub3.field,0). I work mainly in Acc97, but in Acc2k and 
above there is also a NV function you could look at. This 
isn't perfect for all cases, but it does work for me.

HTH,

Ron



On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
  "Nancy Lytle" <LYTLEN at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related
>by the field
>ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports 
>(Main and 2
>subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values 
>in the subreports
>to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field- 
>sub3.field -
>sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where 
>the ProgramCode has
>no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show 
>and the textbox is
>filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use 
>txtAB = Sub1.field +
>sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked 
>field.
>
>Hope I explained this okay.
>TIA
>Nancy L
>
>N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
>240-274-0069
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Wed Oct  8 19:40:47 2003
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:40:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question
Message-ID: <009401c38dfd$ff276500$53c2f63f@Desktop>

Does anyone know how I could hide one of the combobox records on a form? 
example is I need to hide * All Programs *  from being displayed when 
the combobox gets focus. Also is there a way to autofill the combobox 
with the 1st record in a table when the combobox gets focus?

Thanks in advance
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From LYTLEN at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct  8 20:01:37 2003
From: LYTLEN at peoplepc.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:01:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 	What to do when subreport used as textbox source has
	no data
References: <web-33978719@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c38e00$e8dbd0d0$459595ce@servone>

Thanks everyone, I used the IIf statement and it works for the Sections that
have no subreport data, but for the sections with it, it nows comes up
"error#".

Code I used for the txtAB Control Source

=[njl_qryProgInitAuth].[Report]![Initial
Authorization]+[njl_qryProgChanges].[Report]![SumOfAuthorizationChanges]-IIf
([rptExec_SP].[Report].[HasData],[rptExec_Sp].[Report]![SumComm],0)-IIf([rpt
Exec_SP].[Report].[HasData],[rptExec_Sp].[Report]![SumOblig],0)

I guess I should have said that this subreport is in the ProgramCode Footer
section. Could that be a problem?

TIA,
Nancy
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From: "Ron Allen" <chizotz at charter.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has
no data


> Hi Nancy,
>
> The problem, I believe, is that when there is a null value
> the whole expression evaluates to null. I have solved this
> a few ways, but the easiest in most cases is something
> like this: txtAB = iif(Sub1.field,Sub1.field,0) +
> iif(sub2.field,sub2.field,0)- iif(sub3.field,
> sub3.field,0). I work mainly in Acc97, but in Acc2k and
> above there is also a NV function you could look at. This
> isn't perfect for all cases, but it does work for me.
>
> HTH,
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
>   "Nancy Lytle" <LYTLEN at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related
> >by the field
> >ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports
> >(Main and 2
> >subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values
> >in the subreports
> >to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field-
> >sub3.field -
> >sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where
> >the ProgramCode has
> >no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show
> >and the textbox is
> >filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use
> >txtAB = Sub1.field +
> >sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked
> >field.
> >
> >Hope I explained this okay.
> >TIA
> >Nancy L
> >
> >N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
> >240-274-0069
> >
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From lists at theopg.com  Wed Oct  8 20:14:41 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:14:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
	-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <006d01c38dfa$356619d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <002d01c38e02$b782fe80$9f0b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks for that...
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: 09 October 2003 01:14
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing
as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now
...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it
tends to blow the be mdb ime.
 
William Hindman
<HYPERLINK
"http://www.freestateproject.org"http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do
you want liberty in your lifetime?
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:lists at theopg.com"MarkH 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not
just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you
mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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isors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

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From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg
in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that
was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work
out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:lists at theopg.com"MarkH 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  8 21:51:20 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:51:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question
In-Reply-To: <009401c38dfd$ff276500$53c2f63f@Desktop>
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John:

If Me.cboPrograms.ListCount > 0 Then
    Me.cboPrograms.Value = Me.cboPrograms.ItemData(0)
End If

HTH
John B.
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  Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question


  Does anyone know how I could hide one of the combobox records on a form?
  example is I need to hide * All Programs *  from being displayed when
  the combobox gets focus. Also is there a way to autofill the combobox
  with the 1st record in a table when the combobox gets focus?

  Thanks in advance
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Oct  8 21:59:41 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:59:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help, date diff
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1561.24.187.36.171.1065668381.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group
I have to do procedure that checks if macro was already executed today (in
the last 14 hrs) and if yes doesn't do it again. I am taking last time it
was created from a table that contains only one record. Can someone please
remind me on how do I put the new value back into the table ? Write now I
get the error message that current database doesn't support update...
Also, do  Ineed to use ADO, or can do without if the table with date value
is in the same database ?

Option Compare Database
Dim ss As New ADODB.Connection
Dim rr As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim last_time As Date
Dim nnow As Date
Dim andy


Private Sub Command1_Click()
ss.ConnectionString = "DSN=Gina"
ss.Open
Set rr = ss.Execute("select * from Table1")

last_time = rr("gina")
nnow = Now()

andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)

If andy > 14 Then
 'XXX
  rr("gina").Value = nnow
   Else
    MsgBox ("The function was already performed today")
End If

End Sub


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct  8 22:48:59 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:48:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Help, date diff
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Message-ID: <3F85674B.21616.D97306@localhost>

On 8 Oct 2003 at 22:59, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Hey Group
> I have to do procedure that checks if macro was already executed today (in
> the last 14 hrs) and if yes doesn't do it again. I am taking last time it
> was created from a table that contains only one record. Can someone please
> remind me on how do I put the new value back into the table ? Write now I
> get the error message that current database doesn't support update...

It doesn't if you get if as you have done below.

> Also, do  Ineed to use ADO, or can do without if the table with date value
> is in the same database ?

If the tables are either in the same mdb or linked, you can do it without 
ADO like this (assuming that Table1 is a single record  "System File":

last_time = DLookup("gina","Table1")
nnow = Now()
andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
 
 If andy > 14 Then
     DoCmd.Setwarnings False
     DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()"
     DoCmd.Setwarnings True
    Else
     MsgBox ("The function was already performed today")
 End If

Alternatively, using ADO, you can:
 
ss.Execute(""Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()")


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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 00:04:24 2003
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:04:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] amortization
In-Reply-To: <3F852242.5397.2080B6@localhost>
Message-ID: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEEEDKCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Terrific.

I forget about Access help sometimes because I hate A2K's implementation.
But I just fired up A97 and viola.

Thanks,

Bob

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] amortization


On 8 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Bob Heygood wrote:

> I am looking for some code/examples of creating an amortization
> table/report.
> I will have a beginning date, loan amount, a rate, and a period of time.
> How can I make a report/table that reads:
>
> Date   Payment Number   Payment Amount   Balance
>
>
Take a loook at the example for the PPMT function in Help.


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From askolits at ot.com  Thu Oct  9 00:11:30 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:11:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
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Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEEADFAA.askolits@ot.com>

I mean Win XP.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


No, but when you said WIN XP, did you mean Office XP?

John


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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Skolits
> Sent: 08 October 2003 19:33
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft 
> Access Can't Find"
> 
> 
> 
> I get this message when I simply call a basic function from 
> within Access 'using a macro'.
> 
> But I can call it from the Immediate window.
> 
> The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he 
> cancelled the process. XP was already on it so there was no 
> need for him to run the setup. Once he realized it he 
> cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any ideas?
> 
> John Skolits
> 
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 01:47:01 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
Message-ID: <20031009064701.31112.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,
I've got a question regarding the form
frmMultiPickMSForms in Chapter 07 from the book
ADHK2K.

It uses listboxes and some controls to move items from
left to right, up and down, etc. I need a lot of this
functionality.

It uses a reference called: Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object
Library.

In short: I do not understand HOW it works.
First: when I open a new database I do NOT have this
reference. Why is that?

Second: How can these controls be 'controled'? It only
uses the code below. In wich MultiPikMSForms is a
class and RegisterControls and SetData are methods of
that class. How is it possible that when I click a
button action is taken? There are no events or
something like it connected to the control?!?!?!

Could somebody please explain? TIA!

SD

'------------------------------------
Private mmp As MultiPikMSForms
'------------------------------------
Private Sub Form_Load()
    ' Using MultiPikMSForms requires
    ' three steps:
    
    ' 1. Instantiate the object
    ' 2. Register the 8 controls with the object
    ' 3. Tell it where your data comes from
    
    Set mmp = New MultiPikMSForms
    
    mmp.RegisterControls lstAvailable, lstSelected, _
     cmdSelectOne, cmdSelectAll, cmdDeselectOne,
cmdDeselectAll, _
     cmdUp, cmdDown
     
    mmp.SetData "tblCustomer", "LastName"
End Sub
 
'------------------------------------


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct  9 03:10:10 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:10:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F971C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

 
Does anyone know if the PlaySound API library also plays MP3/WMA files
or only WAV?
I like to use this API for reasons of speed. It plays files instantly
with any load delay, which is crucial for my app.
And for not beeing a control that needs to be installed on a pc.
 
 

 

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 04:26:06 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report doesn't show data?!
Message-ID: <20031009092606.65970.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,
I created a report. Recordsource is a query. 
The report has a report header and a report detail.
In the report header I have 12 labels named:
lblHeaderx (x = a number between 1 through 12)

In the report detail section I have 12 textboxes
named:
txtDatax (x = a number between 1 through 12)

In the forms On_Open event I've got the code below
(from ADHB2K). However I cannot seem to get any
data?!?! Any idea why not?

TIA

SD

Private Sub Report_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    ' You didn't know how many columns, or what
    ' their names would be, until now.
    ' Fill in the label captions,
    ' and control ControlSources.
    
    Dim intColCount As Integer
    Dim intControlCount As Integer
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim strName As String
    
    On Error Resume Next
    
    Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset
    
    Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
    rst.Open _
     Source:=Me.RecordSource, _
     ActiveConnection:=CurrentProject.Connection, _
     Options:=adCmdTable
    
    intColCount = rst.Fields.Count
    intControlCount = Me.Detail.Controls.Count
    
    If intControlCount < intColCount Then
        intColCount = intControlCount
    End If
    
    ' Fill in information for the necessary controls.
    For i = 1 To intColCount
        strName = rst.Fields(i - 1).Name
        Me.Controls("lblHeader" & i).Caption = strName
        Me.Controls("txtData" & i).ControlSource =
strName
    Next i
    
    ' Hide the extra controls.
    For i = intColCount + 1 To intControlCount
        Me.Controls("txtData" & i).Visible = False
        Me.Controls("lblHeader" & i).Visible = False
    Next i
    
    ' Close the recordset.
    rst.Close
End Sub


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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 04:40:34 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report doesn't show data?! <SOLVED>
In-Reply-To: <20031009092606.65970.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031009094034.83252.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry...the visible prop was NO!!

SD

PS: 14.400 records with 26 fields (12 was a test) in 2
seconds. Formatted, Moved and Coloured!!
--- Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi group,
> I created a report. Recordsource is a query. 
> The report has a report header and a report detail.
> In the report header I have 12 labels named:
> lblHeaderx (x = a number between 1 through 12)
> 
> In the report detail section I have 12 textboxes
> named:
> txtDatax (x = a number between 1 through 12)
> 
> In the forms On_Open event I've got the code below
> (from ADHB2K). However I cannot seem to get any
> data?!?! Any idea why not?
> 
> TIA
> 
> SD
> 
> Private Sub Report_Open(Cancel As Integer)
>     ' You didn't know how many columns, or what
>     ' their names would be, until now.
>     ' Fill in the label captions,
>     ' and control ControlSources.
>     
>     Dim intColCount As Integer
>     Dim intControlCount As Integer
>     Dim i As Integer
>     Dim strName As String
>     
>     On Error Resume Next
>     
>     Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset
>     
>     Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
>     rst.Open _
>      Source:=Me.RecordSource, _
>      ActiveConnection:=CurrentProject.Connection, _
>      Options:=adCmdTable
>     
>     intColCount = rst.Fields.Count
>     intControlCount = Me.Detail.Controls.Count
>     
>     If intControlCount < intColCount Then
>         intColCount = intControlCount
>     End If
>     
>     ' Fill in information for the necessary
> controls.
>     For i = 1 To intColCount
>         strName = rst.Fields(i - 1).Name
>         Me.Controls("lblHeader" & i).Caption =
> strName
>         Me.Controls("txtData" & i).ControlSource =
> strName
>     Next i
>     
>     ' Hide the extra controls.
>     For i = intColCount + 1 To intControlCount
>         Me.Controls("txtData" & i).Visible = False
>         Me.Controls("lblHeader" & i).Visible = False
>     Next i
>     
>     ' Close the recordset.
>     rst.Close
> End Sub
> 
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From info at sdconsult.com.au  Thu Oct  9 07:21:59 2003
From: info at sdconsult.com.au (SDC)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:21:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Cant access code in Access2002
Message-ID: <001601c38e5f$f0762de0$3200a8c0@sdconsult.com.au>

I have encountered a new problem - when I open any database in Access
2002 (including Microsoft samples and new database) when I click on the
Code button, Access just hangs and wont open the code window. I have
tried re-installing Office XP 3 times, have blown away every extraneous
program, purchased registry cleaners and cleaned out registry, and
anything else you care to think of. Short of wiping my hard disk and
starting again, has anyone experienced this problem and does anyone have
any suggestions as to what I do next (I am running a Pentium III
1133MHz with dual processors each with 1MB RAM under Windows 2000
Service Pack 2)

 

Many thanks

 

David Denham

Gold Coast

Australia

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Oct  9 07:31:01 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:31:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3063B707@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF10@ADGSERVER>

I would never think about just releasing it w/o testing it.  The client has
a test system that we can use.  

I talked to the client yesterday and we determined that the office has
office XP on their systems.  So I suggested to them that there have been
problems loading the runtime onto systems with the full different version of
Office (per Charlotte).  So I think that I have nixed that idea for them.

Basically, the whole gist of what I was trying to do was to load the runtime
on a system without loading any programs other than the runtime.  When I ran
the setup wizard with an empty database as the program to install, it only
created 1MB of files.   I figured that the runtime would be much larger than
that.

Anyway, I do not have to worry about it now.  But thanks to all that
replied.

Bobby


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


...you absolutely have to do a trial install on a clean system ...there are
a number of things that work in Access that don't work in the runtime
installs ...and damned little info from MS on them :(

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Buttrey" <todd_5036 at msn.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


> Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is 
> all
you
> need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way
to
> know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that 
> is
not
> built into Access97.
>
> Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it 
> and try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work 
> before you release it.  Even the install.
>
>
> Todd.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400
>
> Hey,
>
> Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO 
> I have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an 
> install using an older copy of Wise Installer.
>
> Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access 
> 97
on
> their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the 
> set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total 
> up
to
> about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I
want
> to do is load the run-time on their PCs.
>
> We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will 
> be a moot point later.  But for now...
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  9 07:39:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:39:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
In-Reply-To: <20031009064701.31112.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEEBFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

SD,

I have just finished taking this stuff (from adh 97 apparently) and turning
it into a class.  In my case I use Withevents which means that the events
for the controls are handled right inside of the class.  It appears that
this is probably how this (your) version works as well.

Withevents is a keyword used with a dim statement for controls.  The syntax
looks like:

Private WithEvents mcmdAddOne As CommandButton

The Withevent keywords can only be used in a class, which the form module is
by the way.  Withevents says essentially, "this control is dimensioned 'with
its events' being handled in this class".

Once you dimension a control in this manner, then when an event for that
control fires, control CAN be passed to code in your class.  I stress the
word CAN because it won't necessarily be done.  In order for control for a
given event to be passed to your class, the event stub has to be present in
the class AND the exact text "[Event Procedure]" has to be present in the
corresponding control event property.

Any Access developer who programs the events for forms or controls is
already familiar with these restraints, although you may not have ever
thought about them.  When you want to use some event, you usually dbl-click
in the form or control's property.  Let's take a command button as an
example.

You dbl-click in the "On Click" property of the control.
The words "[Event Procedure]" magically appear in the property.  Nothing
else has happened so far.
You click on the ellipsis off to the right of the event.
You are magically transported to the code editor and the following text is
magically inserted into the form's module (which remember is a class).

Private Sub cmdOK_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, X As
Single, Y As Single)
End Sub

Remember I said that in order for control to be passed to a class you had to
have three things.

1) The control dimensioned "Withevents".
2) The exact text "[Event Procedure]" inserted in the event property of
interest in the control.
3) An event stub inserted in your class to gain control of (sink) the event
when it fires.

In essence the wizard behind the property box takes care of doing these
three things for you.

One thing to note here is that ALL controls (and the form itself) are
automatically "dimmed withevents" in a form's class module, i.e. it doesn't
have to be explicitly done.  In YOUR classes it will have to be done!

Once these three things are done, then when THAT event fires, control will
eventually be passed to your class and you can do whatever you want inside
that event stub.

So that my friend is Withevents, and that is probably why you don't see any
event handlers as you are accustomed to seeing in the form's class.  If you
don't understand this stuff, LEARN IT.  It will take your Access abilities
to a whole new level.  It's very easy to use and opens up a whole new world
of possibilities in your applications.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:47 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms


Hi group,
I've got a question regarding the form
frmMultiPickMSForms in Chapter 07 from the book
ADHK2K.

It uses listboxes and some controls to move items from
left to right, up and down, etc. I need a lot of this
functionality.

It uses a reference called: Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object
Library.

In short: I do not understand HOW it works.
First: when I open a new database I do NOT have this
reference. Why is that?

Second: How can these controls be 'controled'? It only
uses the code below. In wich MultiPikMSForms is a
class and RegisterControls and SetData are methods of
that class. How is it possible that when I click a
button action is taken? There are no events or
something like it connected to the control?!?!?!

Could somebody please explain? TIA!

SD

'------------------------------------
Private mmp As MultiPikMSForms
'------------------------------------
Private Sub Form_Load()
    ' Using MultiPikMSForms requires
    ' three steps:

    ' 1. Instantiate the object
    ' 2. Register the 8 controls with the object
    ' 3. Tell it where your data comes from

    Set mmp = New MultiPikMSForms

    mmp.RegisterControls lstAvailable, lstSelected, _
     cmdSelectOne, cmdSelectAll, cmdDeselectOne,
cmdDeselectAll, _
     cmdUp, cmdDown

    mmp.SetData "tblCustomer", "LastName"
End Sub

'------------------------------------


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  9 07:59:24 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:59:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF10@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <002b01c38e65$2a05cc50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...Charlotte's point was re loading an Access97 runtime on top of an
installed OfficeXP ...the only solution there that I know of is to uninstall
OXP, install the A97 runtime, and then reinstall OXP.

...if the client OfficeXP systems have AccessXP installed already, you can
install and use an A97 mdb in "enabled" mode without the runtime ...note
that I've not done this ...supposedly it works but you can't make any object
changes from XP.

...the runtime install will be MUCH larger than 1Mb but the size is really
dependent on a number of factors which as Charlotte suggested, you have not
provided.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


> I would never think about just releasing it w/o testing it.  The client
has
> a test system that we can use.
>
> I talked to the client yesterday and we determined that the office has
> office XP on their systems.  So I suggested to them that there have been
> problems loading the runtime onto systems with the full different version
of
> Office (per Charlotte).  So I think that I have nixed that idea for them.
>
> Basically, the whole gist of what I was trying to do was to load the
runtime
> on a system without loading any programs other than the runtime.  When I
ran
> the setup wizard with an empty database as the program to install, it only
> created 1MB of files.   I figured that the runtime would be much larger
than
> that.
>
> Anyway, I do not have to worry about it now.  But thanks to all that
> replied.
>
> Bobby
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
>
>
> ...you absolutely have to do a trial install on a clean system ...there
are
> a number of things that work in Access that don't work in the runtime
> installs ...and damned little info from MS on them :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd Buttrey" <todd_5036 at msn.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
>
>
> > Since you didn't list the files, there is no way to tell if that is
> > all
> you
> > need.   Also, since we don't know what the program does, there is no way
> to
> > know if there are other dependencies like ADO or some MS control that
> > is
> not
> > built into Access97.
> >
> > Can't you get your hands on a machine that does not have Access on it
> > and try the install yourself?  You should always dev test your work
> > before you release it.  Even the install.
> >
> >
> > Todd.
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
> > Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
> > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:14 -0400
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > Our client has office 97 on every pc that our application goes on.  SO
> > I have never had to create a run-time install.  We usually create an
> > install using an older copy of Wise Installer.
> >
> > Anyway, they have a satellite office that does not want to put Access
> > 97
> on
> > their systems and they want us to give them the run-time.  I tried the
> > set-up wizard using a blank database.  It created 18 files that total
> > up
> to
> > about 1.09MB.  Is that what I need to send to them for testing?  All I
> want
> > to do is load the run-time on their PCs.
> >
> > We are moving to XP very soon (client is slow to change) so this will
> > be a moot point later.  But for now...
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Oct  9 08:52:41 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:52:41 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
	-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D4E@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

out of interest, what is a NIC?
 
alun
btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think of nothing :-(

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William Hindman
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow the be mdb ime.
 
William Hindman
< http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
< accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  9 08:56:48 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:56:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead
	MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D4E@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
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Message
  "NIC" - Network Interface Card

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


  out of interest, what is a NIC?

  alun
  btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
of nothing :-(
    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William Hindman
    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
    An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


    ...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing
as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if
Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow
the be mdb ime.

    William Hindman
    <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: MarkH
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
      Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


      Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not
just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you
mention it?

      Cheers

      Mark
        -----Original Message-----
        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
        Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
        To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


        It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.

        Drew
          -----Original Message-----
          From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
          Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
          To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


          Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in
size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was
more than an hour later.

          Mark
            -----Original Message-----
            From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
            Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
            To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
            Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


            Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you
work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
            Kath
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: MarkH
              To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
              Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
              Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


              Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering
code from
              several different projects and merging it into one new one...
I was
              hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning
...

              Cheers

              Mark

              -----Original Message-----
              From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
              [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
              Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
              To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
              Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
              processbecause...Youand another user are""


              Mark,

                Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3
hours
              already trying to get the old file to work.

              Jim Dettman
              President,
              Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
              (315) 699-3443
              jimdettman at earthlink.net

              -----Original Message-----
              From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
              [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
MarkH
              Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
              To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
              Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
              processbecause...You and another user are""


              Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I
get the
              same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose
those
              particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice
:O(

              Cheers

              Mark

              -----Original Message-----
              From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
              [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
              - Beach Access Software
              Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
              To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
              Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
process
              because...You and another user are""


              Mark:

              I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find
the one
              that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions
from which
              you could import the object that's corrupted in the current
version?

              Rocky

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "MarkH" <lists at theopg.com>
              To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
              <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
              Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
              Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...
              You and another user are""


              > Hello...
              >
              > I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that
wont open.
              >
              > I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped
the
              > process because you and another user are attempting to
change the same

              > data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
              >
              > I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and
import the
              > objects... :O(
              >
              > Any ideas much appreciated
              >
              > mark
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct  9 09:00:36 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:00:36 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
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NIC: Network Interface Card

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Garraway, Alun [SMTP:Alun.Garraway at otto.de]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	AW: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
> -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
> 
> out of interest, what is a NIC?
>  
> alun
> btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
> of nothing :-(
> 
> 	-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> 	Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William
> Hindman
> 	Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
> 	An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 	Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
> -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
> 	
> 	
> 	...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me
> ...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look
> for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails,
> it tends to blow the be mdb ime.
> 	 
> 	William Hindman
> 	< <http://www.freestateproject.org>> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> 	 
> 	 
> 
> 		----- Original Message ----- 
> 		From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com> 
> 		To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
> 		Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
> 		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
> -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 
> 		Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever
> since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what
> makes you mention it?
> 		 
> 		Cheers
> 		 
> 		Mark
> 
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> 			Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
> 			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
> 			 
> 			Drew
> 
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
> 			Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
> 			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no
> indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so,
> not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down
> though, but that was more than an hour later. 
> 			 
> 			Mark
> 
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> 			Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
> 			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that
> stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place?
> Anything specific?
> 			Kath
> 
> 			----- Original Message ----- 
> 			From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com> 
> 			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving' <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
> 			Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
> 
> 			Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours
> butchering code from
> 			several different projects and merging it into one
> new one... I was
> 			hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it
> this morning ... 
> 			
> 			Cheers
> 			
> 			Mark
> 			
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> 			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> 			Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
> 			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stopped the
> 			processbecause...Youand another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Mark,
> 			
> 			  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've
> probably wasted 3 hours
> 			already trying to get the old file to work.
> 			
> 			Jim Dettman
> 			President,
> 			Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> 			(315) 699-3443
> 			jimdettman at earthlink.net
> <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> 			
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> 			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of MarkH
> 			Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
> 			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> 			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stopped the
> 			processbecause...You and another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Thanks... But I can't even import one object.
> Whatever I do I get the
> 			same error. I have a backup at work, but I don't
> want to lose those
> 			particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same
> thing twice :O(
> 			
> 			Cheers
> 			
> 			Mark
> 			
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
> 			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> 			- Beach Access Software
> 			Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
> 			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> 			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
> ..."stopped the process
> 			because...You and another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			Mark:
> 			
> 			I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try
> to find the one
> 			that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous
> versions from which
> 			you could import the object that's corrupted in the
> current version?
> 			
> 			Rocky
> 			
> 			----- Original Message -----
> 			From: "MarkH" < lists at theopg.com
> <mailto:lists at theopg.com>>
> 			To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'"
> 			< accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>
> 			Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
> 			Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
> the process because...
> 			You and another user are""
> 			
> 			
> 			> Hello...
> 			>
> 			> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB
> in XP that wont open.
> 			>
> 			> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database
> engine stopped the 
> 			> process because you and another user are
> attempting to change the same
> 			
> 			> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any
> further.
> 			>
> 			> I get the same error if I compact and repair or
> try and import the 
> 			> objects... :O(
> 			>
> 			> Any ideas much appreciated
> 			>
> 			> mark
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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Oct  9 09:02:56 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:02:56 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E2C@NT04.karta.com>

Alun,
See the below web site for LOL and other Chat Abbreviations.
http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci211776,00.ht
ml
<http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci211776,00.h
tml> 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Garraway, Alun [mailto:Alun.Garraway at otto.de]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


out of interest, what is a NIC?
 
alun
btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
of nothing :-(

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William Hindman
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing as
bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if
Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow
the be mdb ime.
 
William Hindman
< http://www.freestateproject.org <http://www.freestateproject.org> > - Do
you want liberty in your lifetime?
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just
backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem.
Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The
laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an
hour later. 
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out
how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
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<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net> 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
< accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct  9 09:07:20 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Help, date diff
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Thanks Stuart,
this works goo, exsept I am still not able to update the table...
With this line commented, it works
DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"

Also, I'd like it to be performed on opening of the database. Is that
possible ?


Private Sub Command1_Click()

last_time = DLookup("ldate", "Date")
nnow = Now()

andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)

If andy > 14 Then
   DoCmd.SetWarnings False
  ' DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
    msgbox ("ok")
   DoCmd.SetWarnings True
Else
    msgbox ("The function was already performed today")
End If

End Sub



> On 8 Oct 2003 at 22:59, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Group
>> I have to do procedure that checks if macro was already executed today
>> (in the last 14 hrs) and if yes doesn't do it again. I am taking last
>> time it was created from a table that contains only one record. Can
>> someone please remind me on how do I put the new value back into the
>> table ? Write now I get the error message that current database
>> doesn't support update...
>
> It doesn't if you get if as you have done below.
>
>> Also, do  Ineed to use ADO, or can do without if the table with date
>> value is in the same database ?
>
> If the tables are either in the same mdb or linked, you can do it
> without  ADO like this (assuming that Table1 is a single record  "System
> File":
>
> last_time = DLookup("gina","Table1")
> nnow = Now()
> andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
>
>  If andy > 14 Then
>      DoCmd.Setwarnings False
>      DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()"
>      DoCmd.Setwarnings True
>     Else
>      MsgBox ("The function was already performed today")
>  End If
>
> Alternatively, using ADO, you can:
>
> ss.Execute(""Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()")
>
>
> --
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> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  9 09:13:04 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:13:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Report doesn't show data?!
In-Reply-To: <200310091357.h99Dv6e03990@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091209.027852a8@pop3.highstream.net>

SD,

Change it to the OnFormat event of the detail section and it will probably 
work.

Robert

At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Report doesn't show data?!
>To: Acces User Group <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20031009092606.65970.qmail at web60208.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hi group,
>I created a report. Recordsource is a query.
>The report has a report header and a report detail.
>In the report header I have 12 labels named:
>lblHeaderx (x = a number between 1 through 12)
>
>In the report detail section I have 12 textboxes
>named:
>txtDatax (x = a number between 1 through 12)
>
>In the forms On_Open event I've got the code below
>(from ADHB2K). However I cannot seem to get any
>data?!?! Any idea why not?
>
>TIA



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  9 09:19:20 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:19:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <200310091357.h99Dv6e03990@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091703.0259fc18@pop3.highstream.net>

NIC - Network Interface Card
LOL - Lots of Laughter
ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
IMO - In My Opinion

etc.



At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
>MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>
>
>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
>
>   alun
>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
>of nothing :-(



From chizotz at charter.net  Thu Oct  9 09:37:11 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:37:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091703.0259fc18@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <web-5778597@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

I though LOL was "laughing out loud" but YMMV (your milage 
may vary) :)

HTH (hope this helps)

Acronymically Yours,

Ron (who wants to believe its Friday, but no one else is 
cooperating)


On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:19:20 -0500
  "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net> wrote:
>NIC - Network Interface Card
>LOL - Lots of Laughter
>ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
>IMO - In My Opinion

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 09:54:29 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:54:29 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F9@main2.marlow.com>

I've always considered LOL to be Laugh Out Loud!

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Stewart
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 10/9/03 9:19 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)

NIC - Network Interface Card
LOL - Lots of Laughter
ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
IMO - In My Opinion

etc.



At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway,
Alun
>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
>MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>
>
>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
>
>   alun
>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still
think
>of nothing :-(


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From dan at rivercity.org  Thu Oct  9 10:07:56 2003
From: dan at rivercity.org (Dan Jeffery)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:07:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
	-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
Message-ID: <825F1757FD951F4187941C8534FA5048070B55@rcccserver.rcccadmin.org>

For future questions of a similar nature...
 
 
http://www.acronymfinder.com/
 
 
Dan
 
 
************************************************************************
**** 
 
 out of interest, what is a NIC?

 
alun
btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still
think of nothing :-(

 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 10:14:32 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:14:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] chk File
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD7D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Just a major HD glitch and I'm busy trying to recover my files.  I've got .chk file that simply contains the following:

Sub Main() 
DBEngine.SystemDB = "c:\windows\system\YourWorkgroupFile.mdw" 
DBEngine.DefaultUser = "brad" 
DBEngine.DefaultPassword = "orange" 
End Sub 

Does anyone have any idea if this is an actual complete file or just a lost piece of a file?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Oct  9 10:16:31 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:16:31 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29651@nnse14.nns.com>

> Ron (who wants to believe its Friday, but no one else is 
cooperating)

I'll cooperate...I won't be in tomorrow.


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Abbreviations (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)


I though LOL was "laughing out loud" but YMMV (your milage 
may vary) :)

HTH (hope this helps)

Acronymically Yours,

Ron (who wants to believe its Friday, but no one else is 
cooperating)


On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:19:20 -0500
  "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net> wrote:
>NIC - Network Interface Card
>LOL - Lots of Laughter
>ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
>IMO - In My Opinion
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 10:27:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:27:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312364@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Actually, we do this all the time with our commercial applications.
They include the Access 97 runtime (we're still migrating the products
to XP) and they install just fine with OXP in place, with or without
Access.  I wouldn't try it with a package created by the wizard, but we
use Wise and SageKey scripts for the purpose.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


...Charlotte's point was re loading an Access97 runtime on top of an
installed OfficeXP ...the only solution there that I know of is to
uninstall OXP, install the A97 runtime, and then reinstall OXP.

...if the client OfficeXP systems have AccessXP installed already, you
can install and use an A97 mdb in "enabled" mode without the runtime
...note that I've not done this ...supposedly it works but you can't
make any object changes from XP.

...the runtime install will be MUCH larger than 1Mb but the size is
really dependent on a number of factors which as Charlotte suggested,
you have not provided.
<snip>

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 10:31:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:31:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312365@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Unless you have ColumnHeads set to Yes, in which case, it's ItemData(1)

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access combobox question


John:
 
If Me.cboPrograms.ListCount > 0 Then
    Me.cboPrograms.Value = Me.cboPrograms.ItemData(0)
End If
 
HTH
John B.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
	Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:41 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Access combobox question
	
	
	Does anyone know how I could hide one of the combobox records on
a form? 
	example is I need to hide * All Programs *  from being displayed
when 
	the combobox gets focus. Also is there a way to autofill the
combobox 
	with the 1st record in a table when the combobox gets focus?
	
	Thanks in advance
	John Eget 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  9 10:58:09 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:58:09 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtBY2Nlc3NEXSAgSW50ZXJTeXN0ZW1zIENhY2jpIGRhdGFiYXNl?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?IGVuZ2luZQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <6032405206.20030916174213@cactus.dk>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEFICNAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
 <6032405206.20030916174213@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <17330923014.20031009175809@cactus.dk>

Hi group

Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
engine next to the speed of the engine itself.

Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
application-like running in a browser.

The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
remember.

The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
next release - requiring modest hardware only.

/gustav


>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
>> otherwise?

>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>> not time limited.


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 11:11:19 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:11:19 -0400
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BAccessD=5D__InterSystems_Cach=E9_database_engine?=
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6C8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Gustav.  They're also having one near Boston next week but my boss doesn't see the value (at least not to spend the money for a one night trip up there). :-(.  Hopefully they'll come to the NYC area and I can check it out too.  The little time I did have to play with it was impressive.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


Hi group

Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
engine next to the speed of the engine itself.

Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
application-like running in a browser.

The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
remember.

The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
next release - requiring modest hardware only.

/gustav


>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
>> otherwise?

>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>> not time limited.

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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  9 11:15:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:15:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312364@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008701c38e80$9da37840$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"but we use Wise and SageKey scripts for the purpose." Charlotte

...if you can afford them, they're obviously the way to go :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.


> Actually, we do this all the time with our commercial applications.
> They include the Access 97 runtime (we're still migrating the products
> to XP) and they install just fine with OXP in place, with or without
> Access.  I wouldn't try it with a package created by the wizard, but we
> use Wise and SageKey scripts for the purpose.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 run-time question.
>
>
> ...Charlotte's point was re loading an Access97 runtime on top of an
> installed OfficeXP ...the only solution there that I know of is to
> uninstall OXP, install the A97 runtime, and then reinstall OXP.
>
> ...if the client OfficeXP systems have AccessXP installed already, you
> can install and use an A97 mdb in "enabled" mode without the runtime
> ...note that I've not done this ...supposedly it works but you can't
> make any object changes from XP.
>
> ...the runtime install will be MUCH larger than 1Mb but the size is
> really dependent on a number of factors which as Charlotte suggested,
> you have not provided.
> <snip>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 11:44:40 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:44:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded 
Message-ID: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I am getting an error in a loop which says:

File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.

I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.

Here's the code:

'********************************************************************************
Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")

With rstRecoveryTable

If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:

.MoveLast
txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
.MoveFirst
lngCount = 0

Do While Not .EOF

    lngCount = lngCount + 1
    If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
        txtRecordNumber = lngCount
        Me.Repaint
    End If
    
    .Edit

    If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
        !PriceError = 0
        !TotalDue = 0
    End If
    
    If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
        !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
        !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
    End If
    
    If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
        
        ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
        rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
            & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
        
        If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
            !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
            !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
        End If
        
    End If
    
    .Update
    
    .MoveNext
Loop

End With
'*************************************************************************

Any hints?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  9 11:45:26 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:45:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
In-Reply-To: <00e901c38ddc$bd1a12f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFAFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
door ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))

And before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig...

In the mid to late 90s my family and I lived in Puebla Mexico, about 60
miles East South East of Mexico City for about 5 years.  I love Mexico and
would be there today had I been able to find enough work over the internet
to keep me employed.

The "up in a plane ...out the door ...no parachute" actually came from the
practices of a Chilean dictator who allegedly got rid of his opponents in
that fashion.  Back when I lived in Mexico I used to facetiously suggest
that treatment for users who gave list members grief, and thus it became
known as "Colbyizing the user".

I have since become far more tolerant...

Yea, right!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


...lol ...I got half way through posting a suggestion that he "Colbyize" the
user as his first step ...then it dawned on me that I'd probably have to
explain that and that's just too damn much trouble these days :)))

...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the door
...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
setup.
> Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly. Any
> ideas?
>
> Shoot the user.
>
> It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
will
> damned sure make the next user think twice before...
>
> Uhhh....
>
> Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com



From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct  9 11:49:47 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:49:47 -0400
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BAccessD=5D__InterSystems_Cach=E9_database_engine?=
In-Reply-To: <17330923014.20031009175809@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c38e85$59a843a0$7001a8c0@COA3>

Anyone know the pricing?  The site requires you to fill out a survey to
get pricing ... If the price isn't on the site, for anything, it?s
ususally way too expensive.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


Hi group

Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like language
- classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are at once
compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC, classes
via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access the data
simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly efficient
they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the engine next to
the speed of the engine itself.

Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as they
offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a hidden
frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is avoided -
this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious application-like
running in a browser.

The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
remember.

The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no more
efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and really
have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to anything
including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS, Tru64,
HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the next release
- requiring modest hardware only.

/gustav


>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or 
>> otherwise?

>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,

>> not time limited.

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Oct  9 11:48:13 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:18:13 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source hasno
	data
References: <web-33978719@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
	<00ac01c38e00$e8dbd0d0$459595ce@servone>
Message-ID: <004601c38e85$723bebb0$18edf73d@winxp>

Nancy,

    If the RecordSource for a subreport has no data, the only event that gets fired (for the report acting as SourceObject for the subreport control) is its open event. The subreport behaves as if its various sections (and controls located thereon) do not exist. Calculations referring to such controls are therefore bound to return an error.

    In order to overcome such a situation, the formula to be used in the parent report (either in a calculated text box or in VBA code) has to be as follows (Q_SR is the name of query acting as RecorSource for subreport, SR is the name of subreport control on parent report, and TxtSR is the name of control on subreport whose value is to be obtained) -

    ReqdValue = IIf(DCount("*","Q_SR") > 0, SR("TxtSR"), 0)

    It would be nice if you could kindly try it out and let me know.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nancy Lytle 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 06:31
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source hasno data


  Thanks everyone, I used the IIf statement and it works for the Sections that
  have no subreport data, but for the sections with it, it nows comes up
  "error#".

  Code I used for the txtAB Control Source

  =[njl_qryProgInitAuth].[Report]![Initial
  Authorization]+[njl_qryProgChanges].[Report]![SumOfAuthorizationChanges]-IIf
  ([rptExec_SP].[Report].[HasData],[rptExec_Sp].[Report]![SumComm],0)-IIf([rpt
  Exec_SP].[Report].[HasData],[rptExec_Sp].[Report]![SumOblig],0)

  I guess I should have said that this subreport is in the ProgramCode Footer
  section. Could that be a problem?

  TIA,
  Nancy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Ron Allen" <chizotz at charter.net>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] What to do when subreport used as textbox source has
  no data


  > Hi Nancy,
  >
  > The problem, I believe, is that when there is a null value
  > the whole expression evaluates to null. I have solved this
  > a few ways, but the easiest in most cases is something
  > like this: txtAB = iif(Sub1.field,Sub1.field,0) +
  > iif(sub2.field,sub2.field,0)- iif(sub3.field,
  > sub3.field,0). I work mainly in Acc97, but in Acc2k and
  > above there is also a NV function you could look at. This
  > isn't perfect for all cases, but it does work for me.
  >
  > HTH,
  >
  > Ron
  >
  >
  >
  > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:00:43 -0400
  >   "Nancy Lytle" <LYTLEN at peoplepc.com> wrote:
  > >I have a main report with 3 subreports, all are related
  > >by the field
  > >ProgramCode.  There is a record in three of the reports
  > >(Main and 2
  > >subreports) for every ProgramCode.  I also use the values
  > >in the subreports
  > >to populate a text box - txtAB = Sub1.field + sub2.field-
  > >sub3.field -
  > >sub3.field.  This works fine except for the case where
  > >the ProgramCode has
  > >no record in Subreport3, then that subreport doesn't show
  > >and the textbox is
  > >filled with error#.  How do I get the textbox to use
  > >txtAB = Sub1.field +
  > >sub2.field where there is no sub report for the linked
  > >field.
  > >
  > >Hope I explained this okay.
  > >TIA
  > >Nancy L
  > >
  > >N_Lytle at terpalum.umd.edu
  > >240-274-0069

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  9 11:56:58 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:56:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFAFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c38e86$5a189c30$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig" JC

...you mean you're not? ...I always pictured you with a curly tail! :(((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> >...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
> door ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))
>
> And before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig...
>
> In the mid to late 90s my family and I lived in Puebla Mexico, about 60
> miles East South East of Mexico City for about 5 years.  I love Mexico and
> would be there today had I been able to find enough work over the internet
> to keep me employed.
>
> The "up in a plane ...out the door ...no parachute" actually came from the
> practices of a Chilean dictator who allegedly got rid of his opponents in
> that fashion.  Back when I lived in Mexico I used to facetiously suggest
> that treatment for users who gave list members grief, and thus it became
> known as "Colbyizing the user".
>
> I have since become far more tolerant...
>
> Yea, right!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> ...lol ...I got half way through posting a suggestion that he "Colbyize"
the
> user as his first step ...then it dawned on me that I'd probably have to
> explain that and that's just too damn much trouble these days :)))
>
> ...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
door
> ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> > >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> > process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
> setup.
> > Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly.
Any
> > ideas?
> >
> > Shoot the user.
> >
> > It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
> will
> > damned sure make the next user think twice before...
> >
> > Uhhh....
> >
> > Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  9 12:06:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:06:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] The End of DLL Hell (was: OT - Registrering DLL's)
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAELDDEAA.askolits@ot.com>
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAELDDEAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <2834995991.20031009190602@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I've never heard of "Private DLLs" and zero-byte .local files like

  "SuperApp.exe.local"

Anyway, here's a link:

  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsetup/html/dlldanger1.asp

Is this really to be trusted?
Anyone having experience with this?

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  9 12:09:13 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:09:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
In-Reply-To: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <635186986.20031009190913@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

You did cut away in the code snip:

  Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
  Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing

?

/gustav


> Dear List:

> I am getting an error in a loop which says:

> File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.

> I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different
> counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.

> Here's the code:

> '********************************************************************************
> Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
> Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")

> With rstRecoveryTable

> If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:

> .MoveLast
> txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
> .MoveFirst
> lngCount = 0

> Do While Not .EOF

>     lngCount = lngCount + 1
>     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
>         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
>         Me.Repaint
>     End If
    
>     .Edit

>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
>         !PriceError = 0
>         !TotalDue = 0
>     End If
    
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
>         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
>         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>     End If
    
>     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
        
>         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
>         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
>             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
        
>         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
>             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
>             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>         End If
        
>     End If
    
>     .Update
    
>     .MoveNext
> Loop

> End With
> '*************************************************************************

> Any hints?

> MTIA,

> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct  9 12:27:09 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:27:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
In-Reply-To: <635186986.20031009190913@cactus.dk>
References: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
        <635186986.20031009190913@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <14306.12.3.132.98.1065720429.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey,

Can I have code to execute on Database open in Access ? Or somehow insert
VBA in autoxec macro ?




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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  9 12:34:12 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:34:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022272F9@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEMBELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oh, Man! Here I thought it meant "Lots of Love"...

Not only does it hurt to find out that you aren't all loving me but to know
that my mom is just laughing at me all the time!
:o(

<big grin>
Not Friday yet but wishing...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com '
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Abbreviations (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
>
>
> I've always considered LOL to be Laugh Out Loud!
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert L. Stewart
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: 10/9/03 9:19 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
>
> NIC - Network Interface Card
> LOL - Lots of Laughter
> ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
> IMO - In My Opinion
>
> etc.
>
>
>
> At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway,
> Alun
> >   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
> >   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
> >MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
> >
> >
> >   out of interest, what is a NIC?
> >
> >   alun
> >   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still
> think
> >of nothing :-(
>
>
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>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 12:35:17 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:35:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The End of DLL Hell (was: OT - Registrering DLL's)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312368@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I have heard of private dlls, which is essentially what you do with a
runtime install, but I hadn't gotten into the details of the local
files.  Interesting.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The End of DLL Hell (was: OT - Registrering
DLL's)


Hi all

I've never heard of "Private DLLs" and zero-byte .local files like

  "SuperApp.exe.local"

Anyway, here's a link:

  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsetup/html/dlldanger1.asp

Is this really to be trusted?
Anyone having experience with this?

/gustav

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  9 12:36:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:36:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312369@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can use a RunCode action in an autoexec macro to call a function at
startup or you can set a startup form and put code in its Open event.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening


Hey,

Can I have code to execute on Database open in Access ? Or somehow
insert VBA in autoxec macro ?




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From jonsulli at swbell.net  Thu Oct  9 12:36:32 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:36:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091703.0259fc18@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009091703.0259fc18@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <3F859CA0.8060606@swbell.net>

Let's add one more that may not show up on your list:

    LTOTMTAB   Lazy Typist Obfuscating the Meaning To Appear Brilliant

John Sullivan

Robert L. Stewart wrote:

> NIC - Network Interface Card
> LOL - Lots of Laughter
> ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
> IMO - In My Opinion
>
> etc.
>
>
>
> At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
>>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
>>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
>> MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>>
>>
>>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
>>
>>   alun
>>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can 
>> still think
>> of nothing :-(
>
>
>
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu Oct  9 12:37:39 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:37:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
Message-ID: <OFCFD64C6A.51AFAE59-ON86256DBA.0060B50E-86256DBA.0060D0B5@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


You can create a "Splash" screen and set the db properties to open the form
when starting the db.  You can look in the "Samples.mdb" db for A97 or
maybe even the help in A2K and AXP


                                                                                                                                 
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Hey,

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 12:39:56 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:39:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
References: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
	<635186986.20031009190913@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <017a01c38e8c$5b095610$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Gustav:

Yeah.  But the problem comes before there anyway.  It's in the loop.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


> Hi Rocky
>
> You did cut away in the code snip:
>
>   Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
>   Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing
>
> ?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Dear List:
>
> > I am getting an error in a loop which says:
>
> > File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry
entry.
>
> > I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be
exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is
there a trick to doing that? It blows at different
> > counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes
40,000.
>
> > Here's the code:
>
> >
'***************************************************************************
*****
> > Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
> > Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM
tblPrintRecoveryForm")
>
> > With rstRecoveryTable
>
> > If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
>
> > .MoveLast
> > txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
> > .MoveFirst
> > lngCount = 0
>
> > Do While Not .EOF
>
> >     lngCount = lngCount + 1
> >     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
> >         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
> >         Me.Repaint
> >     End If
>
> >     .Edit
>
> >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
> >         !PriceError = 0
> >         !TotalDue = 0
> >     End If
>
> >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
> >         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
> >         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> >     End If
>
> >     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
>
> >         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
> >         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" &
!fldInvoiceDate _
> >             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
>
> >         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
> >             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
> >             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) *
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> >         End If
>
> >     End If
>
> >     .Update
>
> >     .MoveNext
> > Loop
>
> > End With
> >
'*************************************************************************
>
> > Any hints?
>
> > MTIA,
>
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 12:54:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:54:03 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227301@main2.marlow.com>

Put a command button on your form called cmdAlwaysOnTop, then paste the
following code behind your form...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private Declare Function SetWindowPos Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
ByVal hWndInsertAfter As Long, ByVal x As Long, ByVal y As Long, ByVal _
cx As Long, ByVal cy As Long, ByVal wFlags As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function IsWindowVisible Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long)
As Long
Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Private Const SW_SHOW = 5
Private Const SWP_NOMOVE = &H2
Private Const SWP_NOSIZE = &H1
Private Const HWND_TOPMOST = -1
Private Const HWND_NOTOPMOST = -2

Private Sub cmdAlwaysOnTop_Click()
If IsWindowVisible(Application.hWndAccessApp) Then
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_TOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
    ShowWindow Me.hwnd, SW_SHOW 'Not needed in Access 97
    Me.Repaint 'Not needed in Access 97
Else
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOW
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_NOTOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
End If
End Sub
Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)
If IsWindowVisible(Application.hWndAccessApp) = False Then
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOW
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_NOTOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
End If
End Sub


This code works in 97 and 2000, and Susan is testing it in XP.  You'll need
to Popup property set to Yes.  NOTE:  Access 2000 and up required the Modal
property to be set to yes also, but that caused this code to not work.  The
two lines that are commented with 'Not needed in Access 97 are what I used
to get around having to set the Modal property to Yes.

Drew

From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct  9 12:58:11 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:58:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0C9@stekelbes.ithelps.local>



Set nothing is not sufficient.

Recordsets/tabls need to be closed to.

   rstTaxRate.close
   rstRecoveryTable.close

   Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
   Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing

Is the correct syntax.

Set nothing terminates the object container but not the underlying
table. This could result in lock that stay open and is why you sometimes
can not close access...


Also replace !fieldname With .fields("fieldname")
It sounds funny but your routine will run faster, tell me how much you
won...


>

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Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


Gustav:

Yeah.  But the problem comes before there anyway.  It's in the loop.

Rocky

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


> Hi Rocky
>
> You did cut away in the code snip:
>
>   Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
>   Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing
>
> ?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Dear List:
>
> > I am getting an error in a loop which says:
>
> > File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry
entry.
>
> > I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be
exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.
Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different
> > counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes
40,000.
>
> > Here's the code:
>
> >
'***********************************************************************
****
*****
> > Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates") Set 
> > rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM
tblPrintRecoveryForm")
>
> > With rstRecoveryTable
>
> > If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
>
> > .MoveLast
> > txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
> > .MoveFirst
> > lngCount = 0
>
> > Do While Not .EOF
>
> >     lngCount = lngCount + 1
> >     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
> >         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
> >         Me.Repaint
> >     End If
>
> >     .Edit
>
> >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
> >         !PriceError = 0
> >         !TotalDue = 0
> >     End If
>
> >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
> >         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
> >         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> >     End If
>
> >     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
>
> >         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is
zero
> >         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" &
!fldInvoiceDate _
> >             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
>
> >         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
> >             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
> >             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) *
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> >         End If
>
> >     End If
>
> >     .Update
>
> >     .MoveNext
> > Loop
>
> > End With
> >
'***********************************************************************
**
>
> > Any hints?
>
> > MTIA,
>
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct  9 13:01:41 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:01:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9730@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You can create an autoexec marco that is run when openening the
database.
In the autoexec you can use "ProcedureUitvoeren" thats dutch I supose it
will be ExecuteProcedure in enlgish.
There you can specify the name of a function, it MUST be a function not
a sub and must end with ()

example AreTablesAttached() is one I use.

 

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You can create a "Splash" screen and set the db properties to open the
form when starting the db.  You can look in the "Samples.mdb" db for A97
or maybe even the help in A2K and AXP


 

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Hey,

Can I have code to execute on Database open in Access ? Or somehow
insert VBA in autoxec macro ?




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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct  9 13:02:55 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
In-Reply-To: <3F859CA0.8060606@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20031009180255.58196.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
GMTA = Great Minds Think Alike
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly

--- John Sullivan <jonsulli at swbell.net> wrote:
> Let's add one more that may not show up on your
> list:
> 
>     LTOTMTAB   Lazy Typist Obfuscating the Meaning
> To Appear Brilliant
> 
> John Sullivan
> 
> Robert L. Stewart wrote:
> 
> > NIC - Network Interface Card
> > LOL - Lots of Laughter
> > ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A**
> off
> > IMO - In My Opinion
> >
> > etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
> >>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
> >>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> >>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
> >> MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother
> user are""
> >>
> >>
> >>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
> >>
> >>   alun
> >>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after
> 3 months I can 
> >> still think
> >> of nothing :-(
> >
> >
> >
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Oct  9 13:08:12 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:08:12 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29658@nnse14.nns.com>

Excellent.  If I were to make an observation...could similar code be placed
in a module and called from checkboxes located on multiple forms...toggle
on/off as desired?  Don't waste any time on it...just curious given the
problems you've overcome thus far.



Mark



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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:54 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)


Put a command button on your form called cmdAlwaysOnTop, then paste the
following code behind your form...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private Declare Function SetWindowPos Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
ByVal hWndInsertAfter As Long, ByVal x As Long, ByVal y As Long, ByVal _ cx
As Long, ByVal cy As Long, ByVal wFlags As Long) As Long Private Declare
Function IsWindowVisible Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long) As Long Private
Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _ ByVal
nCmdShow As Long) As Long Const SW_HIDE = 0 Private Const SW_SHOW = 5
Private Const SWP_NOMOVE = &H2 Private Const SWP_NOSIZE = &H1 Private Const
HWND_TOPMOST = -1 Private Const HWND_NOTOPMOST = -2

Private Sub cmdAlwaysOnTop_Click()
If IsWindowVisible(Application.hWndAccessApp) Then
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_TOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
    ShowWindow Me.hwnd, SW_SHOW 'Not needed in Access 97
    Me.Repaint 'Not needed in Access 97
Else
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOW
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_NOTOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
End If
End Sub
Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)
If IsWindowVisible(Application.hWndAccessApp) = False Then
    ShowWindow Application.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOW
    SetWindowPos Application.hWndAccessApp, HWND_NOTOPMOST, 0, 0, 0, 0, _
    SWP_NOMOVE Or SWP_NOSIZE
End If
End Sub


This code works in 97 and 2000, and Susan is testing it in XP.  You'll need
to Popup property set to Yes.  NOTE:  Access 2000 and up required the Modal
property to be set to yes also, but that caused this code to not work.  The
two lines that are commented with 'Not needed in Access 97 are what I used
to get around having to set the Modal property to Yes.

Drew
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 13:19:28 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:19:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Pretty Code Print
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD8D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

And the good news is that PCP v2.0 is just released and supports Office 2K and higher.  Bad news... it's no longer a freebie ($49 US).  They've added a few new decent features as well - http://www.prettycode.com/pcp

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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Thu Oct  9 13:23:57 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:23:57 -0700 
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C4D@EXCHMAIL>

http://www.al6400.com/resources/acronyms.shtml



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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Abbreviations (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)


IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
GMTA = Great Minds Think Alike
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly

--- John Sullivan <jonsulli at swbell.net> wrote:
> Let's add one more that may not show up on your
> list:
> 
>     LTOTMTAB   Lazy Typist Obfuscating the Meaning
> To Appear Brilliant
> 
> John Sullivan
> 
> Robert L. Stewart wrote:
> 
> > NIC - Network Interface Card
> > LOL - Lots of Laughter
> > ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A**
> off
> > IMO - In My Opinion
> >
> > etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:57 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
> >>   Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
> >>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> >>   Subject: AW: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead
> >> MDB-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother
> user are""
> >>
> >>
> >>   out of interest, what is a NIC?
> >>
> >>   alun
> >>   btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after
> 3 months I can 
> >> still think
> >> of nothing :-(
> >
> >
> >
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  9 13:26:36 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:26:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Help, date diff
In-Reply-To: <200310091645.h99Gj0e26907@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009131240.02644c60@pop3.highstream.net>

Oleg,

You need to rename your table.  DATE is a reserved word in Access and you 
are probably hitting that as an issue.

I would recommend naming it tsys_LastDate.  You know it is a table 
(t).  You know the system uses it (sys).  And, you know it's function (Last 
Date).

Also, I would name your command button something other than Command1.

Something like this would work:

Sub Check_Run_Date()
      dim db as database, rs as recordset
      set db = currentdb()
      set rs = db.openrecordset("SELECT * FROM tsys_LastDate;", dbopendynaset)
      if DateDiff("h", rs!LDate, now()) > 14 then
           rs.edit
                rs!LDate = now()
           rs.update
      Else
           msgbox ("The function was already performed today")
      End If
      rs.close
      set db = nothing
End Sub


At 11:45 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT)
>From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help, date diff
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <48692.12.3.132.98.1065708440.squirrel at heck.bay9.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Thanks Stuart,
>this works goo, exsept I am still not able to update the table...
>With this line commented, it works
>DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
>
>Also, I'd like it to be performed on opening of the database. Is that
>possible ?
>
>
>Private Sub Command1_Click()
>
>last_time = DLookup("ldate", "Date")
>nnow = Now()
>
>andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
>
>If andy > 14 Then
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>   ' DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
>     msgbox ("ok")
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>Else
>     msgbox ("The function was already performed today")
>End If
>
>End Sub



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Oct  9 13:51:13 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:21:13 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120F01@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <005701c38e96$9a63b490$fcedf73d@winxp>

Martin,

    While making a crosstab query, automatic creation of a column with heading  <>  signifies that it contains a mixture of nameless  columns corresponding to Null values in the field designated to provide the column headings.

    As a simple illustration, let table T_Test have three fields with values as follows -
    F_1 (Text)        F_2(Text)        F_3(Number)
        A                        L                        3
        A                                                   4
        B                                                   6
        B                        R                        2
        C                        L                        5
        C                        R                        7

    If a crosstab query is created in a routine manner, F_1(group by) as row, F_2(group by) as column and F_3(Sum) as value, it will look like -
    F_1                <>                L                R
        A                  4                 3                
        B                  6                                    2
        C                                     5                 7

    Normally, this can be left as it is - while taking care to interpret the column headed <> as follows -
    Item A has 4 numbers where field F_2 has Null value.
    Item B has 6 numbers where field F_2 has Null value.

    However, if due to some reason, you are very keen to have more descriptive headings (in lieu of  <>) without interfering with basic data, calculated field F_2M can be used instead of  field F_2 -
    F_2M: IIf(Len([F_2])>0, [F_2], [F_1] & "_NULL")

    The crosstab query will now give the following display -
        F_1        A_NULL        B_NULL        L               R 
        A                  4                                        3                
        B                                          6                                   2
        C                                                             5                7

    It will be nice if you could kindly try it out and let me know.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Porter, Mark 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 23:38
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 


  You can also investigate the 'Switch' command, switching a <NULL> value for
  an actual text string like "Null".

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:56 AM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 
  > 
  > 
  > Is the crosstab using the values as the column headings?  If so, you
  > could use a calculated field to return an IsNull expression.
  > 
  > Charlotte Foust
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:47 AM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 
  > 
  > 
  > I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.
  > 
  > Martin
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab
  > 
  > 
  > > Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
  > >
  > > Susan H.
  > >
  > >
  > > > Running a major cross tab report
  > > >
  > > > A lot of the values are null
  > > >
  > > > Problem
  > > >
  > > > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
  > > >
  > > > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
  > > >
  > > > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is 
  > tossing out 
  > > > my calculations.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Martin

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 14:15:22 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:15:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0C9@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <01f801c38e99$afa766f0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Erwin:

I closed the table before setting the objects to nothing.  Tried the .fields
approach but, at least in this case, it didn't make any difference in the
time.

I don't think closing the objects is the problem because the error occurs in
the loop before I get to the close.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


>
>
> Set nothing is not sufficient.
>
> Recordsets/tabls need to be closed to.
>
>    rstTaxRate.close
>    rstRecoveryTable.close
>
>    Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
>    Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing
>
> Is the correct syntax.
>
> Set nothing terminates the object container but not the underlying
> table. This could result in lock that stay open and is why you sometimes
> can not close access...
>
>
> Also replace !fieldname With .fields("fieldname")
> It sounds funny but your routine will run faster, tell me how much you
> won...
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>
>
> Gustav:
>
> Yeah.  But the problem comes before there anyway.  It's in the loop.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > You did cut away in the code snip:
> >
> >   Set rstTaxRate = Nothing
> >   Set rstRecoveryTable = Nothing
> >
> > ?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Dear List:
> >
> > > I am getting an error in a loop which says:
> >
> > > File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry
> entry.
> >
> > > I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be
> exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.
> Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different
> > > counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes
> 40,000.
> >
> > > Here's the code:
> >
> > >
> '***********************************************************************
> ****
> *****
> > > Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates") Set
> > > rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM
> tblPrintRecoveryForm")
> >
> > > With rstRecoveryTable
> >
> > > If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
> >
> > > .MoveLast
> > > txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
> > > .MoveFirst
> > > lngCount = 0
> >
> > > Do While Not .EOF
> >
> > >     lngCount = lngCount + 1
> > >     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
> > >         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
> > >         Me.Repaint
> > >     End If
> >
> > >     .Edit
> >
> > >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
> > >         !PriceError = 0
> > >         !TotalDue = 0
> > >     End If
> >
> > >     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
> > >         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
> > >         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> > >     End If
> >
> > >     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
> >
> > >         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is
> zero
> > >         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" &
> !fldInvoiceDate _
> > >             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
> >
> > >         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
> > >             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
> > >             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) *
> !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
> > >         End If
> >
> > >     End If
> >
> > >     .Update
> >
> > >     .MoveNext
> > > Loop
> >
> > > End With
> > >
> '***********************************************************************
> **
> >
> > > Any hints?
> >
> > > MTIA,
> >
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct  9 14:24:30 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:24:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: File Sharing lock count exceeded
In-Reply-To: <200310091645.h99Gj0e26907@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031009133519.02642460@pop3.highstream.net>

Rocky,

Break your process into steps.

The following should be close but I think the term is air code.

dim db as database, rs as recordset, rsTax as recordset
dim strSQL as string
dim curSalesTax as currency
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE Nz(fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0;)
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      rs.close
      strsql = "UPDATE tblPrintRecoveryForm SET PriceError = 0,"
      strsql = strsql & " TotalDue = 0"
      strsql = strsql & " WHERE Nz(fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0;)
      docmd.runsql strsql
end if
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid < 0;)"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      rs.close
      strsql = "UPDATE tblPrintRecoveryForm"
      strsql = strsql & " SET PriceError = fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid,"
      strsql = strsql & " TotalDue = PriceError * fldInvoiceDetailQuantity"
      strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid < 0;)"
      docmd.runsql strsql
end if
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = 'Y';)"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      with rs
           .movefirst
           do until .eof
                strsql = SELECT *"
                strsql = strsql & " FROM tblTaxRates
                strsql = strsql & " WEHRE fldTaxRateStartDate <= #"
                strsql = strsql &  !fldInvoiceDate & "# AND 
fldTaxRateEndDate >= #"
                strsql = strsql & !fldInvoiceDate & "#;"
                set rstax = db.openrecordset(strsql, dbopensnapshot)
                if not(rstax.eof and rstax.bof) then  ' a tax rate was found
                     .edit
                          curSalesTax = !PriceError * rsTax!fldTaxRate
                          !SalesTax = curSalesTax
                          !TotalDue = (!PriceError + curSalesTax) * 
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
                     .update
                end if
                .movenext
           loop
      end with
end if
rs.close
rstax.close
set db=nothing


Watch for line wraps
HTH

Robert

At 11:45 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:44:40 -0700
>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0 at HAL9002>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Dear List:
>
>I am getting an error in a loop which says:
>
>File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.
>
>I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be 
>exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being 
>created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, 
>too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.
>
>Here's the code:
>
>'********************************************************************************
>Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
>Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")
>
>With rstRecoveryTable
>
>If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
>
>.MoveLast
>txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
>.MoveFirst
>lngCount = 0
>
>Do While Not .EOF
>
>     lngCount = lngCount + 1
>     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
>         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
>         Me.Repaint
>     End If
>
>     .Edit
>
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
>         !PriceError = 0
>         !TotalDue = 0
>     End If
>
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
>         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
>         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>     End If
>
>     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
>
>         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
>         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
>             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
>
>         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
>             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
>             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>         End If
>
>     End If
>
>     .Update
>
>     .MoveNext
>Loop
>
>End With
>'*************************************************************************
>
>Any hints?
>
>MTIA,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 14:32:22 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:32:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD96@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA Extensibility and Excel libraries.

<code>
Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook

Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent


Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject

Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form module


For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
Next
</code>

TIA,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 14:37:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:37:14 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Y
	ouand	another user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227304@main2.marlow.com>

Because we had a faulty NIC, on a laptop docking station, that was
corrupting one of my databases every week.  (It read it fine, but everyone's
machine has a VB .exe that dumps the current info about that machine
(memory, disk space, etc.) into the database every 7 days.).  So when you
mentioned your laptop, it just brought that too mind.  We put a PCMCIA NIC
into the laptop, and didn't have anymore problems.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just
backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem.
Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The
laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an
hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out
how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and
problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net> 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
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<mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 14:42:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:42:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Abbreviations  (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227306@main2.marlow.com>

It is Friday for me...cause I'm off until Tuesday after tonight! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Abbreviations (Was Help!!! Dead MDB)


I though LOL was "laughing out loud" but YMMV (your milage 
may vary) :)

HTH (hope this helps)

Acronymically Yours,

Ron (who wants to believe its Friday, but no one else is 
cooperating)


On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:19:20 -0500
  "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net> wrote:
>NIC - Network Interface Card
>LOL - Lots of Laughter
>ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my A** off
>IMO - In My Opinion
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 14:43:49 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:43:49 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227307@main2.marlow.com>

PCMCIA actually means Personal Computer Memory Card Interactive Association.
 
Drew

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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:03 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
uandanother user are""


Alun,
See the below web site for LOL and other Chat Abbreviations.
http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid26_gci211776,00.ht
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Oct  9 14:44:04 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:44:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CrossTab 
References: 	<BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120F01@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
	<005701c38e96$9a63b490$fcedf73d@winxp>
Message-ID: <001701c38e9d$b3c815f0$5b0b6351@martin1>

Great

Learn something on this list every day

Will try this in the morning and let you know how it goes

Martin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.Tejpal 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 


  Martin,

      While making a crosstab query, automatic creation of a column with heading  <>  signifies that it contains a mixture of nameless  columns corresponding to Null values in the field designated to provide the column headings.

      As a simple illustration, let table T_Test have three fields with values as follows -
      F_1 (Text)        F_2(Text)        F_3(Number)
          A                        L                        3
          A                                                   4
          B                                                   6
          B                        R                        2
          C                        L                        5
          C                        R                        7

      If a crosstab query is created in a routine manner, F_1(group by) as row, F_2(group by) as column and F_3(Sum) as value, it will look like -
      F_1                <>                L                R
          A                  4                 3                
          B                  6                                    2
          C                                     5                 7

      Normally, this can be left as it is - while taking care to interpret the column headed <> as follows -
      Item A has 4 numbers where field F_2 has Null value.
      Item B has 6 numbers where field F_2 has Null value.

      However, if due to some reason, you are very keen to have more descriptive headings (in lieu of  <>) without interfering with basic data, calculated field F_2M can be used instead of  field F_2 -
      F_2M: IIf(Len([F_2])>0, [F_2], [F_1] & "_NULL")

      The crosstab query will now give the following display -
          F_1        A_NULL        B_NULL        L               R 
          A                  4                                        3                
          B                                          6                                   2
          C                                                             5                7

      It will be nice if you could kindly try it out and let me know.

  Regards,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Porter, Mark 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 23:38
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 


    You can also investigate the 'Switch' command, switching a <NULL> value for
    an actual text string like "Null".

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:56 AM
    > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    > Subject: RE: [AccessD] CrossTab 
    > 
    > 
    > Is the crosstab using the values as the column headings?  If so, you
    > could use a calculated field to return an IsNull expression.
    > 
    > Charlotte Foust
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:47 AM
    > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    > Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab 
    > 
    > 
    > I need to keep the nulls as they are valid responses.
    > 
    > Martin
    > 
    > 
    > ----- Original Message ----- 
    > From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
    > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
    > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:38 PM
    > Subject: Re: [AccessD] CrossTab
    > 
    > 
    > > Can't you handle the Null in the underlying query?
    > >
    > > Susan H.
    > >
    > >
    > > > Running a major cross tab report
    > > >
    > > > A lot of the values are null
    > > >
    > > > Problem
    > > >
    > > > The Crosstab creats a new column called <> (I dont create this)
    > > >
    > > > when it comes across a null row it assigns it a value of 1
    > > >
    > > > how can I get it to stop creating the 1 value as it is 
    > tossing out 
    > > > my calculations.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Martin



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct  9 14:47:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:47:44 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227308@main2.marlow.com>

That might be a bit difficult, since it hides the Access window, but you
could have multiple popup forms visible, the one that's active would be on
top of the others, and they would ALL be on top of other windows on your
machine.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Always On Top (Final Solution)


Excellent.  If I were to make an observation...could similar code be placed
in a module and called from checkboxes located on multiple forms...toggle
on/off as desired?  Don't waste any time on it...just curious given the
problems you've overcome thus far.



Mark



From jonsulli at swbell.net  Thu Oct  9 15:05:26 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:05:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD96@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD96@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3F85BF86.1050200@swbell.net>

Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the 
references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  9 16:03:00 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:03:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded 
In-Reply-To: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKAEDMHJAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Rocky,

<<Any hints?>>

 The database(s) are all on a station or split between a client and server?

 Besides that, don't use SQL statements when opening the tables, just open
them directly.

Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("tblTaxRates")
Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("tblPrintRecoveryForm")

  JET's trying to use an implicit transaction to handle the update because
of that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:45 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


  Dear List:

  I am getting an error in a loop which says:

  File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry
entry.

  I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be exceeded.
Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is there a
trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, too.  Sometimes over
70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.

  Here's the code:


'***************************************************************************
*****
  Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
  Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM
tblPrintRecoveryForm")

  With rstRecoveryTable

  If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:

  .MoveLast
  txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
  .MoveFirst
  lngCount = 0

  Do While Not .EOF

      lngCount = lngCount + 1
      If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
          txtRecordNumber = lngCount
          Me.Repaint
      End If

      .Edit

      If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
          !PriceError = 0
          !TotalDue = 0
      End If

      If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
          !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
          !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
      End If

      If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then

          ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
          rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate
_
              & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"

          If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
              !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
              !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) *
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
          End If

      End If

      .Update

      .MoveNext
  Loop

  End With
  '*************************************************************************

  Any hints?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  9 16:15:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:15:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access Can'tFind"
In-Reply-To: <00a801c38e86$5a189c30$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFKFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I never mentioned not being a pig...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


"before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig" JC

...you mean you're not? ...I always pictured you with a curly tail! :(((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
Can'tFind"


> >...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
> door ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))
>
> And before anyone gets the impression I'm a racist pig...
>
> In the mid to late 90s my family and I lived in Puebla Mexico, about 60
> miles East South East of Mexico City for about 5 years.  I love Mexico and
> would be there today had I been able to find enough work over the internet
> to keep me employed.
>
> The "up in a plane ...out the door ...no parachute" actually came from the
> practices of a Chilean dictator who allegedly got rid of his opponents in
> that fashion.  Back when I lived in Mexico I used to facetiously suggest
> that treatment for users who gave list members grief, and thus it became
> known as "Colbyizing the user".
>
> I have since become far more tolerant...
>
> Yea, right!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> ...lol ...I got half way through posting a suggestion that he "Colbyize"
the
> user as his first step ...then it dawned on me that I'd probably have to
> explain that and that's just too damn much trouble these days :)))
>
> ...the Mexican days had their good points ...up in the plane ...out the
door
> ...no parachute ...I remember them well :)))
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Dreaded "Function Name That Microsoft Access
> Can'tFind"
>
>
> > >The user was half way re-loading WIN XP on his PC when he cancelled the
> > process. XP was already on it so there was no need for him to run the
> setup.
> > Once he realized it he cancelled it. Now Access won't work correctly.
Any
> > ideas?
> >
> > Shoot the user.
> >
> > It won't correct this problem, but it may make you feel better, and it
> will
> > damned sure make the next user think twice before...
> >
> > Uhhh....
> >
> > Never mind.  Having throwbacks to my Mexico days.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct  9 16:38:40 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:38:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Help, date diff
In-Reply-To: <48692.12.3.132.98.1065708440.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <3F85674B.21616.D97306@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F866200.11305.120058@localhost>

Could be because of the table name. Date is a reserved word, that may 
be screwing up the interpretation of the SQL string.  Avoid using 
reserved words for objects - it creates all sorts of problems.


On 9 Oct 2003 at 10:07, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Thanks Stuart,
> this works goo, exsept I am still not able to update the table...
> With this line commented, it works
> DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
> 
> Also, I'd like it to be performed on opening of the database. Is that
> possible ?
> 
> 
> Private Sub Command1_Click()
> 
> last_time = DLookup("ldate", "Date")
> nnow = Now()
> 
> andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
> 
> If andy > 14 Then
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>   ' DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Date Set ldate = Now()"
>     msgbox ("ok")
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
> Else
>     msgbox ("The function was already performed today")
> End If
> 
> End Sub
> 
> 
> 
> > On 8 Oct 2003 at 22:59, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Group
> >> I have to do procedure that checks if macro was already executed today
> >> (in the last 14 hrs) and if yes doesn't do it again. I am taking last
> >> time it was created from a table that contains only one record. Can
> >> someone please remind me on how do I put the new value back into the
> >> table ? Write now I get the error message that current database
> >> doesn't support update...
> >
> > It doesn't if you get if as you have done below.
> >
> >> Also, do  Ineed to use ADO, or can do without if the table with date
> >> value is in the same database ?
> >
> > If the tables are either in the same mdb or linked, you can do it
> > without  ADO like this (assuming that Table1 is a single record  "System
> > File":
> >
> > last_time = DLookup("gina","Table1")
> > nnow = Now()
> > andy = DateDiff("h", last_time, nnow)
> >
> >  If andy > 14 Then
> >      DoCmd.Setwarnings False
> >      DoCmd.RunSQL "Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()"
> >      DoCmd.Setwarnings True
> >     Else
> >      MsgBox ("The function was already performed today")
> >  End If
> >
> > Alternatively, using ADO, you can:
> >
> > ss.Execute(""Update Table1 Set gina  = Now()")
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart McLachlan
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> >
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> 
> 
> 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  9 17:39:58 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:39:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
References: <20031009064701.31112.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F85E3BE.5010804@shaw.ca>

Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object Library was one of MS stillborn ideas. I thought it ended with Access97. Or maybe it migrated eventually into InfoPath.



Sad Der wrote:

>Hi group,
>I've got a question regarding the form
>frmMultiPickMSForms in Chapter 07 from the book
>ADHK2K.
>
>It uses listboxes and some controls to move items from
>left to right, up and down, etc. I need a lot of this
>functionality.
>
>It uses a reference called: Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object
>Library.
>
>In short: I do not understand HOW it works.
>First: when I open a new database I do NOT have this
>reference. Why is that?
>
>Second: How can these controls be 'controled'? It only
>uses the code below. In wich MultiPikMSForms is a
>class and RegisterControls and SetData are methods of
>that class. How is it possible that when I click a
>button action is taken? There are no events or
>something like it connected to the control?!?!?!
>
>Could somebody please explain? TIA!
>
>SD
>
>'------------------------------------
>Private mmp As MultiPikMSForms
>'------------------------------------
>Private Sub Form_Load()
>    ' Using MultiPikMSForms requires
>    ' three steps:
>    
>    ' 1. Instantiate the object
>    ' 2. Register the 8 controls with the object
>    ' 3. Tell it where your data comes from
>    
>    Set mmp = New MultiPikMSForms
>    
>    mmp.RegisterControls lstAvailable, lstSelected, _
>     cmdSelectOne, cmdSelectAll, cmdDeselectOne,
>cmdDeselectAll, _
>     cmdUp, cmdDown
>     
>    mmp.SetData "tblCustomer", "LastName"
>End Sub
> 
>'------------------------------------
>
>
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  9 17:53:26 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:53:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
In-Reply-To: <3F85E3BE.5010804@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3F85AEA6.9459.25490C5@localhost>

On 9 Oct 2003 at 15:39, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Microsoft Forms 2.0 Object Library was one of MS stillborn ideas. I
> thought it ended with Access97. Or maybe it migrated eventually into
> InfoPath.

Nope. It's still around in OXP.

It's the control library of UserForms in Word and Excel. Probably 
Powerpoint as well.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me 
at once.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  9 17:53:27 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:53:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227307@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3F85AEA7.28316.2549166@localhost>

On 9 Oct 2003 at 14:43, Drew Wutka wrote:

> PCMCIA actually means Personal Computer Memory Card Interactive
> Association.

I always though it was:

People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms

<BSEG>

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
The mind is like a parachute.  It works best when it's open



From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Oct  9 08:52:41 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:52:41 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
	-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D4E@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

out of interest, what is a NIC?
 
alun
btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think of nothing :-(

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William Hindman
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""


...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me ...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails, it tends to blow the be mdb ime.
 
William Hindman
< http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers discussion and  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com>  
To: 'Access Developers  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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< accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
You and another user are""


> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
> mark
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  9 18:40:23 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:40:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
 -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo uandanother user are""
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD778D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3F85F1E7.5090506@shaw.ca>

There is a counter in the NIC Rom that can be interrogated for errors or 
incomplete packets, You can get at this counter to check for a high 
error rate via Network Admin Tools or WMI.
If you have network admin privileges run first routine if not run second 
and third sub on suspected machine as testallnics(".")
Look at counts for TcpMaxConnectRetransmissions:  and 
TcpMaxDataRetransmissions:
 They may give you some indication of errors.
Sub testsystem()
'add reference to WMI extension
Dim locator As Object
Dim service As Object
Dim system As Object
Dim SystemSet As Object
Dim SystemSetAll As Object
Dim VarInstance As Object
'You must be member of administrator group
Set locator = CreateObject("WbemScripting.SWbemLocator")
Set service = locator.connectserver
Set SystemSet = service.Get("Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration")
Set VarInstance = SystemSet.Instances_
For Each system In VarInstance
    If system.Index = 0 Then
        Debug.Print (system.Description)
        Debug.Print (system.ServiceName)
        Debug.Print (system.IPAddress(0))
        Debug.Print (system.IPSubnet(0))
        Debug.Print (system.MACAddress)
Else
        Debug.Print (system.Description)
        Debug.Print (system.ServiceName)
        Debug.Print (system.IPAddress(0))
        Debug.Print (system.IPSubnet(0))
        Debug.Print (system.MACAddress)
End If
Next
Set SystemSetAll = 
GetObject("winmgmts:").InstancesOf("Win32_ComputerSystem")
For Each system In SystemSetAll
      Debug.Print "Computername " & system.Name
      testallnics (system.Name)
 Next

End Sub

Sub testallnics(strComputer As String)
'Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colitems As Object
Dim objitem As Object
On Error Resume Next
'strComputer = "." 'initial test
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
Win32_NetworkAdapter", , 48)
For Each objitem In colitems
    Debug.Print "AdapterType: " & objitem.AdapterType
    Debug.Print "AutoSense: " & objitem.AutoSense
    Debug.Print "Availability: " & objitem.Availability
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objitem.Caption
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerErrorCode: " & objitem.ConfigManagerErrorCode
    Debug.Print "ConfigManagerUserConfig: " & 
objitem.ConfigManagerUserConfig
    Debug.Print "CreationClassName: " & objitem.CreationClassName
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objitem.Description
    Debug.Print "DeviceID: " & objitem.DeviceID
    Debug.Print "ErrorCleared: " & objitem.ErrorCleared
    Debug.Print "ErrorDescription: " & objitem.ErrorDescription
    Debug.Print "Index: " & objitem.Index
    Debug.Print "InstallDate: " & objitem.InstallDate
    Debug.Print "Installed: " & objitem.Installed
    Debug.Print "LastErrorCode: " & objitem.LastErrorCode
    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
    Debug.Print "Manufacturer: " & objitem.Manufacturer
    Debug.Print "MaxNumberControlled: " & objitem.MaxNumberControlled
    Debug.Print "MaxSpeed: " & objitem.MaxSpeed
    Debug.Print "Name: " & objitem.Name
    Debug.Print "NetworkAddresses: " & objitem.NetworkAddresses
    Debug.Print "PermanentAddress: " & objitem.PermanentAddress
    Debug.Print "PNPDeviceID: " & objitem.PNPDeviceID
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementCapabilities: " & 
objitem.PowerManagementCapabilities
    Debug.Print "PowerManagementSupported: " & 
objitem.PowerManagementSupported
    Debug.Print "ProductName: " & objitem.ProductName
    Debug.Print "ServiceName: " & objitem.ServiceName
    Debug.Print "Speed: " & objitem.Speed
    Debug.Print "Status: " & objitem.Status
    Debug.Print "StatusInfo: " & objitem.StatusInfo
    Debug.Print "SystemCreationClassName: " & 
objitem.SystemCreationClassName
    Debug.Print "SystemName: " & objitem.SystemName
    Debug.Print "TimeOfLastReset: " & objitem.TimeOfLastReset
Next
End Sub

Sub testnicconfig()

'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents
'the attributes and behaviors of a network adapter.
'This class has been extended to include extra properties and methods
'that support the management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet 
Exchange (IPX)
'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter).
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colitems As Object
Dim objitem As Object
On Error Resume Next
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)
For Each objitem In colitems
    Debug.Print "ArpAlwaysSourceRoute: " & objitem.ArpAlwaysSourceRoute
    Debug.Print "ArpUseEtherSNAP: " & objitem.ArpUseEtherSNAP
    Debug.Print "Caption: " & objitem.Caption
    Debug.Print "DatabasePath: " & objitem.DatabasePath
    Debug.Print "DeadGWDetectEnabled: " & objitem.DeadGWDetectEnabled
    Debug.Print "DefaultIPGateway: " & objitem.DefaultIPGateway
    Debug.Print "DefaultTOS: " & objitem.DefaultTOS
    Debug.Print "DefaultTTL: " & objitem.DefaultTTL
    Debug.Print "Description: " & objitem.Description
    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained
    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain
    Debug.Print "DNSDomainSuffixSearchOrder: " & 
objitem.DNSDomainSuffixSearchOrder
    Debug.Print "DNSEnabledForWINSResolution: " & 
objitem.DNSEnabledForWINSResolution
    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName
    Debug.Print "DNSServerSearchOrder: " & objitem.DNSServerSearchOrder
    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " & 
objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled
    Debug.Print "ForwardBufferMemory: " & objitem.ForwardBufferMemory
    Debug.Print "FullDNSRegistrationEnabled: " & 
objitem.FullDNSRegistrationEnabled
    Debug.Print "GatewayCostMetric: " & objitem.GatewayCostMetric
    Debug.Print "IGMPLevel: " & objitem.IGMPLevel
    Debug.Print "Index: " & objitem.Index
    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress
    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
    Debug.Print "IPFilterSecurityEnabled: " & 
objitem.IPFilterSecurityEnabled
    Debug.Print "IPPortSecurityEnabled: " & objitem.IPPortSecurityEnabled
    Debug.Print "IPSecPermitIPProtocols: " & objitem.IPSecPermitIPProtocols
    Debug.Print "IPSecPermitTCPPorts: " & objitem.IPSecPermitTCPPorts
    Debug.Print "IPSecPermitUDPPorts: " & objitem.IPSecPermitUDPPorts
    Debug.Print "IPSubnet: " & objitem.IPSubnet
    Debug.Print "IPUseZeroBroadcast: " & objitem.IPUseZeroBroadcast
    Debug.Print "IPXAddress: " & objitem.IPXAddress
    Debug.Print "IPXEnabled: " & objitem.IPXEnabled
    Debug.Print "IPXFrameType: " & objitem.IPXFrameType
    Debug.Print "IPXMediaType: " & objitem.IPXMediaType
    Debug.Print "IPXNetworkNumber: " & objitem.IPXNetworkNumber
    Debug.Print "IPXVirtualNetNumber: " & objitem.IPXVirtualNetNumber
    Debug.Print "KeepAliveInterval: " & objitem.KeepAliveInterval
    Debug.Print "KeepAliveTime: " & objitem.KeepAliveTime
    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU
    Debug.Print "NumForwardPackets: " & objitem.NumForwardPackets
    Debug.Print "PMTUBHDetectEnabled: " & objitem.PMTUBHDetectEnabled
    Debug.Print "PMTUDiscoveryEnabled: " & objitem.PMTUDiscoveryEnabled
    Debug.Print "ServiceName: " & objitem.ServiceName
    Debug.Print "SettingID: " & objitem.SettingID
    Debug.Print "TcpipNetbiosOptions: " & objitem.TcpipNetbiosOptions
    Debug.Print "TcpMaxConnectRetransmissions: " & 
objitem.TcpMaxConnectRetransmissions
    Debug.Print "TcpMaxDataRetransmissions: " & 
objitem.TcpMaxDataRetransmissions
    Debug.Print "TcpNumConnections: " & objitem.TcpNumConnections
    Debug.Print "TcpUseRFC1122UrgentPointer: " & 
objitem.TcpUseRFC1122UrgentPointer
    Debug.Print "TcpWindowSize: " & objitem.TcpWindowSize
    Debug.Print "WINSEnableLMHostsLookup: " & 
objitem.WINSEnableLMHostsLookup
    Debug.Print "WINSHostLookupFile: " & objitem.WINSHostLookupFile
    Debug.Print "WINSPrimaryServer: " & objitem.WINSPrimaryServer
    Debug.Print "WINSScopeID: " & objitem.WINSScopeID
    Debug.Print "WINSSecondaryServer: " & objitem.WINSSecondaryServer
Next
End Sub
Heenan, Lambert wrote:

>NIC: Network Interface Card
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	Garraway, Alun [SMTP:Alun.Garraway at otto.de]
>>Sent:	Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:53 AM
>>To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject:	AW: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB
>>-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>>
>>out of interest, what is a NIC?
>> 
>>alun
>>btw while I'm asking, what does LOL mean, after 3 months I can still think
>>of nothing :-(
>>
>>	-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>	Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von William
>>Hindman
>>	Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2003 02:14
>>	An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>	Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
>>-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youandanother user are""
>>	
>>	
>>	...bad nics have caused a couple of corrupted XP mdbs for me
>>...nothing as bad as you describe but its one of the first things I look
>>for now ...if Access is in the midst of a transaction when the nic fails,
>>it tends to blow the be mdb ime.
>>	 
>>	William Hindman
>>	< <http://www.freestateproject.org>> - Do you want liberty in your
>>lifetime?
>>	 
>>	 
>>
>>		----- Original Message ----- 
>>		From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com> 
>>		To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>><mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
>>		Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM
>>		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB
>>-..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>
>>		Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever
>>since, not just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what
>>makes you mention it?
>>		 
>>		Cheers
>>		 
>>		Mark
>>
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>			Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
>>			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
>>			 
>>			Drew
>>
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
>>			Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
>>			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no
>>indication of a problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so,
>>not even a meg in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down
>>though, but that was more than an hour later. 
>>			 
>>			Mark
>>
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>>			Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
>>			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that
>>stuff - did you work out how the corruption happened in the first place?
>>Anything specific?
>>			Kath
>>
>>			----- Original Message ----- 
>>			From: MarkH <mailto:lists at theopg.com> 
>>			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving' <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
>>			Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stopped theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""
>>
>>			Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours
>>butchering code from
>>			several different projects and merging it into one
>>new one... I was
>>			hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it
>>this morning ... 
>>			
>>			Cheers
>>			
>>			Mark
>>			
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>>Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>>			Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
>>			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stopped the
>>			processbecause...Youand another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Mark,
>>			
>>			  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've
>>probably wasted 3 hours
>>			already trying to get the old file to work.
>>			
>>			Jim Dettman
>>			President,
>>			Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>>			(315) 699-3443
>>			jimdettman at earthlink.net
>><mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>>			
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
>>Behalf Of MarkH
>>			Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
>>			To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'
>>			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stopped the
>>			processbecause...You and another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Thanks... But I can't even import one object.
>>Whatever I do I get the
>>			same error. I have a backup at work, but I don't
>>want to lose those
>>			particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same
>>thing twice :O(
>>			
>>			Cheers
>>			
>>			Mark
>>			
>>			-----Original Message-----
>>			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>			[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>>Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>>			- Beach Access Software
>>			Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
>>			To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
>>..."stopped the process
>>			because...You and another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			Mark:
>>			
>>			I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try
>>to find the one
>>			that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous
>>versions from which
>>			you could import the object that's corrupted in the
>>current version?
>>			
>>			Rocky
>>			
>>			----- Original Message -----
>>			From: "MarkH" < lists at theopg.com
>><mailto:lists at theopg.com>>
>>			To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving'"
>>			< accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>><mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>
>>			Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:04 PM
>>			Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
>>the process because...
>>			You and another user are""
>>			
>>			
>>			> Hello...
>>			>
>>			> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB
>>in XP that wont open.
>>			>
>>			> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database
>>engine stopped the 
>>			> process because you and another user are
>>attempting to change the same
>>			
>>			> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any
>>further.
>>			>
>>			> I get the same error if I compact and repair or
>>try and import the 
>>			> objects... :O(
>>			>
>>			> Any ideas much appreciated
>>			>
>>			> mark
>>
>>    
>>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  9 18:44:41 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:44:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] chk File
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99020EBD7D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3F85F2E9.3050901@shaw.ca>

.chk files are lost clusters that the OS has recovered with no index 
back to the FAT. They generally only contain parts of a file.

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Just a major HD glitch and I'm busy trying to recover my files.  I've got .chk file that simply contains the following:
>
>Sub Main() 
>DBEngine.SystemDB = "c:\windows\system\YourWorkgroupFile.mdw" 
>DBEngine.DefaultUser = "brad" 
>DBEngine.DefaultPassword = "orange" 
>End Sub 
>
>Does anyone have any idea if this is an actual complete file or just a lost piece of a file?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 18:45:45 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:45:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKAEDMHJAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <027101c38ebf$75b01e80$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Well.  Simple solutions for simple people, I always say.  That seems to have done it.  That "Select *... syntax is just a habit with me.  Thank you.

The other solution that Robert Steward sent me also works although I'm not sure why.  But it slows down the processing considerably - like a factor of five.  I need to figure out what he did because it looks like a good technique when needed.

Is there ever a reason to "Select * FROM tblXYZ"?

Tanks again and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Dettman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded


  Rocky,

  <<Any hints?>>

   The database(s) are all on a station or split between a client and server?

   Besides that, don't use SQL statements when opening the tables, just open them directly.

  Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("tblTaxRates")
  Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("tblPrintRecoveryForm")

    JET's trying to use an implicit transaction to handle the update because of that.

  Jim Dettman
  President,
  Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
  (315) 699-3443
  jimdettman at earthlink.net 
    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
    Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:45 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded 


    Dear List:

    I am getting an error in a loop which says:

    File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.

    I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.

    Here's the code:

    '********************************************************************************
    Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
    Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")

    With rstRecoveryTable

    If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:

    .MoveLast
    txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
    .MoveFirst
    lngCount = 0

    Do While Not .EOF

        lngCount = lngCount + 1
        If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
            txtRecordNumber = lngCount
            Me.Repaint
        End If
        
        .Edit

        If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
            !PriceError = 0
            !TotalDue = 0
        End If
        
        If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
            !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
            !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
        End If
        
        If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
            
            ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
            rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
                & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
            
            If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
                !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
                !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
            End If
            
        End If
        
        .Update
        
        .MoveNext
    Loop

    End With
    '*************************************************************************

    Any hints?

    MTIA,

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  9 19:18:04 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:18:04 -0700
Subject:  =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BAccessD=5D__InterSystems_Cach=E9_database_engine?=
In-Reply-To: <17330923014.20031009175809@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFECOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Gustav:

Your comments are so timely. Today I went to lunch with a Database
programming acquaintance and he was raving about this new database, Cach?.
He has worked extensively with Sybase right through to SQL2000 and Oracle
from 5.1 to 9i and he is now working with this DB. He is totally impressed.
He says that it runs about 50% faster for simple queries but when working
with large Cubes experiences a steady 600 plus percent performance gain.

He strongly recommended that I download the free evaluation copy, work my
way through the tutorials and says they have been supplying excellent email
support (free) when he has been running into problems.

It was a very interesting lunch that extended almost a couple of hours.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


Hi group

Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
engine next to the speed of the engine itself.

Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
application-like running in a browser.

The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
remember.

The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
next release - requiring modest hardware only.

/gustav


>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
>> otherwise?

>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>> not time limited.

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Oct  9 19:37:02 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:37:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030924102510.00b1b148@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010132741.020f9dd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
>Group,
>
>Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that 
>basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 
>reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 
>independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in two 
>years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread 
>throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 
>their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records in 
>total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
>
>My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done 
>easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 
>time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their 
>client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so 
>budget is an issue.
>
>The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any 
>web server would be outsourced.
>
>I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done 
>anything with web based databases.

My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions, and 
the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 
server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept in 
the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).

If anyone is interested please email me.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  9 19:50:07 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:50:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010132741.020f9dd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001101c38ec8$75d17310$6501a8c0@user>

David - why not try to find someone locally who can help you with the web side / asp etc. and keep the management of the project yourself. You keep control - cost in some learning time for yourself but find someone who you are subcontracting the web stuff to. You obviously know their business and their database and that knowledge is very valuable. 

I know someone here in Melbourne who can help you but I think you would be better off with someone local?
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Emerson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)


  At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
  >Group,
  >
  >Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that 
  >basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 
  >reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 
  >independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in two 
  >years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread 
  >throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 
  >their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records in 
  >total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
  >
  >My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done 
  >easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 
  >time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their 
  >client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so 
  >budget is an issue.
  >
  >The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any 
  >web server would be outsourced.
  >
  >I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done 
  >anything with web based databases.

  My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions, and 
  the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 
  server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept in 
  the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).

  If anyone is interested please email me.

  Regards

  David Emerson
  DALYN Software Ltd
  25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
  Wellington, New Zealand
  Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Oct  9 20:08:47 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:08:47 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <001101c38ec8$75d17310$6501a8c0@user>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010132741.020f9dd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010140420.00b77310@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Kath - That is what I would like to do.  Distance isn't a problem (My 
clients are in the States and I am in NZ - it has worked for the last 5 
years).  Since I don't know of anyone specifically who could do the job 
locally I figured that I might as well use someone from the list (keep it 
in the family).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>David - why not try to find someone locally who can help you with the web 
>side / asp etc. and keep the management of the project yourself. You keep 
>control - cost in some learning time for yourself but find someone who you 
>are subcontracting the web stuff to. You obviously know their business and 
>their database and that knowledge is very valuable.
>
>I know someone here in Melbourne who can help you but I think you would be 
>better off with someone local?
>Kath
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz>David Emerson
>To: <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>Access Developers discussion and 
>problem solving
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
> >Group,
> >
> >Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that
> >basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints
> >reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are
> >independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in two
> >years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread
> >throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access
> >their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records in
> >total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
> >
> >My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done
> >easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each
> >time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their
> >client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so
> >budget is an issue.
> >
> >The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any
> >web server would be outsourced.
> >
> >I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done
> >anything with web based databases.
>
>My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions, and
>the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the
>server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept in
>the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).
>
>If anyone is interested please email me.
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct  9 20:19:14 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:19:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031010132741.020f9dd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031010140420.00b77310@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <003e01c38ecc$8541a410$6501a8c0@user>

David - in that case I have contacted someone on your behalf and if they are interested I will send you the contact details.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Emerson 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)


  Kath - That is what I would like to do.  Distance isn't a problem (My clients are in the States and I am in NZ - it has worked for the last 5 years).  Since I don't know of anyone specifically who could do the job locally I figured that I might as well use someone from the list (keep it in the family).

  David

  At 10/10/2003, you wrote:

    David - why not try to find someone locally who can help you with the web side / asp etc. and keep the management of the project yourself. You keep control - cost in some learning time for yourself but find someone who you are subcontracting the web stuff to. You obviously know their business and their database and that knowledge is very valuable. 
     
    I know someone here in Melbourne who can help you but I think you would be better off with someone local?
    Kath

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: David Emerson 

      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 

      Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:37 AM

      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)


      At 23/09/2003, I wrote:

      >Group,

      >

      >Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that 

      >basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 

      >reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 

      >independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in two 

      >years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread 

      >throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 

      >their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records in 

      >total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.

      >

      >My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done 

      >easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 

      >time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their 

      >client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so 

      >budget is an issue.

      >

      >The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any 

      >web server would be outsourced.

      >

      >I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done 

      >anything with web based databases.


      My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions, and 

      the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 

      server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept in 

      the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).


      If anyone is interested please email me.


      Regards


      David Emerson

      DALYN Software Ltd

      25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville

      Wellington, New Zealand

      Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct  9 21:35:59 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:35:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6DC@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sullivan [mailto:jonsulli at swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the 
references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Thu Oct  9 23:41:29 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:41:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Serene Japanese Computer Error Messages
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509261@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

I thought you might enjoy this:

------------------------ 
Here are 16 actual error messages seen on the computer 
screens in Japan, where some are written in Haiku. Aren't 
these better than "your computer has performed an illegal 
operation"? 

-------------------------------------------- 

The Web site you seek cannot be located, 
but countless more exist. 

-------------------------------------------- 

Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. 
Order shall return. 

----------------------------------------------- 

Program aborting: Close all that you have worked on. 
You ask far too much. 

------------------------------------------------ 

Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. 
No one hears your screams. 

------------------------------------------------ 

Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. 
Windows is like that. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Your file was so big. It might be very useful. 
But now it is gone. 

------------------------------------------- 

Stay the patient course. Of little worth is your ire. 
The network is down. 

------------------------------------------------- 

A crash reduces your expensive computer to a simple stone. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Three things are certain: Death, taxes and lost data. 
Guess which has occurred? 

------------------------------------------------- 

You step in the stream, but the water has moved on. 
This page is not here. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Out of memory. We wish to hold the whole sky, 
But we never will. 

------------------------------------------------ 

Having been erased, 
The document you're seeking must now be retyped. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Serious error. All shortcuts have disappeared. 

------------------------------------------------- 

Screen. 

Mind. 

Both are blank. 

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
I have no idea of their authenticity or original source, but I also
found them posted on the Web on several sites including: 

http://www.tashitagg.co.za/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=3183&posts=1

 

 

Jeff Barrows

Outbak Technologies, LLC

Racine, WI

Phone: (262) 634-0653

Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com

www.outbaktech.com

 

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 10 00:55:54 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:55:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms <SOLVED> 
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEEBFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031010055554.4616.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>

....and then there was silence!
John, thanx for this incredible explenation. Can I ask
you something? Do you walk around in a magical cloak?
:-) 

Once again thanx for you're detailed answer. I've got
some new stuff to try. This is why I love this list!

Regards,

Sander

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> SD,
> 
> I have just finished taking this stuff (from adh 97
> apparently) and turning
> it into a class.  In my case I use Withevents which
> means that the events
> for the controls are handled right inside of the
> class.  It appears that
> this is probably how this (your) version works as
> well.
> 
> Withevents is a keyword used with a dim statement
> for controls.  The syntax
> looks like:
> 
> Private WithEvents mcmdAddOne As CommandButton
> 
> The Withevent keywords can only be used in a class,
> which the form module is
> by the way.  Withevents says essentially, "this
> control is dimensioned 'with
> its events' being handled in this class".
> 
> Once you dimension a control in this manner, then
> when an event for that
> control fires, control CAN be passed to code in your
> class.  I stress the
> word CAN because it won't necessarily be done.  In
> order for control for a
> given event to be passed to your class, the event
> stub has to be present in
> the class AND the exact text "[Event Procedure]" has
> to be present in the
> corresponding control event property.
> 
> Any Access developer who programs the events for
> forms or controls is
> already familiar with these restraints, although you
> may not have ever
> thought about them.  When you want to use some
> event, you usually dbl-click
> in the form or control's property.  Let's take a
> command button as an
> example.
> 
> You dbl-click in the "On Click" property of the
> control.
> The words "[Event Procedure]" magically appear in
> the property.  Nothing
> else has happened so far.
> You click on the ellipsis off to the right of the
> event.
> You are magically transported to the code editor and
> the following text is
> magically inserted into the form's module (which
> remember is a class).
> 
> Private Sub cmdOK_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift
> As Integer, X As
> Single, Y As Single)
> End Sub
> 
> Remember I said that in order for control to be
> passed to a class you had to
> have three things.
> 
> 1) The control dimensioned "Withevents".
> 2) The exact text "[Event Procedure]" inserted in
> the event property of
> interest in the control.
> 3) An event stub inserted in your class to gain
> control of (sink) the event
> when it fires.
> 
> In essence the wizard behind the property box takes
> care of doing these
> three things for you.
> 
> One thing to note here is that ALL controls (and the
> form itself) are
> automatically "dimmed withevents" in a form's class
> module, i.e. it doesn't
> have to be explicitly done.  In YOUR classes it will
> have to be done!
> 
> Once these three things are done, then when THAT
> event fires, control will
> eventually be passed to your class and you can do
> whatever you want inside
> that event stub.
> 
> So that my friend is Withevents, and that is
> probably why you don't see any
> event handlers as you are accustomed to seeing in
> the form's class.  If you
> don't understand this stuff, LEARN IT.  It will take
> your Access abilities
> to a whole new level.  It's very easy to use and
> opens up a whole new world
> of possibilities in your applications.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Sad Der
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:47 AM
> To: Acces User Group
> Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms
> 
> 
> Hi group,
> I've got a question regarding the form
> frmMultiPickMSForms in Chapter 07 from the book
> ADHK2K.
> 
> It uses listboxes and some controls to move items
> from
> left to right, up and down, etc. I need a lot of
> this
> functionality.
> 
> It uses a reference called: Microsoft Forms 2.0
> Object
> Library.
> 
> In short: I do not understand HOW it works.
> First: when I open a new database I do NOT have this
> reference. Why is that?
> 
> Second: How can these controls be 'controled'? It
> only
> uses the code below. In wich MultiPikMSForms is a
> class and RegisterControls and SetData are methods
> of
> that class. How is it possible that when I click a
> button action is taken? There are no events or
> something like it connected to the control?!?!?!
> 
> Could somebody please explain? TIA!
> 
> SD
> 
> '------------------------------------
> Private mmp As MultiPikMSForms
> '------------------------------------
> Private Sub Form_Load()
>     ' Using MultiPikMSForms requires
>     ' three steps:
> 
>     ' 1. Instantiate the object
>     ' 2. Register the 8 controls with the object
>     ' 3. Tell it where your data comes from
> 
>     Set mmp = New MultiPikMSForms
> 
>     mmp.RegisterControls lstAvailable, lstSelected,
> _
>      cmdSelectOne, cmdSelectAll, cmdDeselectOne,
> cmdDeselectAll, _
>      cmdUp, cmdDown
> 
>     mmp.SetData "tblCustomer", "LastName"
> End Sub
> 
> '------------------------------------
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 01:09:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:09:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
	uandanother user are""
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222730B@main2.marlow.com>

Kind of funny on that.  My Dad used to be really involved with PCMCIA.  He
was the technical chairman for a while, and one year I believe he was the
board chairman.  He actually made up the 'People Can't Memorize Computer
Industry Acronyms' at a meeting one time, and it sorta caught on....

Honest.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/9/03 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Yo
uandanother user are""

On 9 Oct 2003 at 14:43, Drew Wutka wrote:

> PCMCIA actually means Personal Computer Memory Card Interactive
> Association.

I always though it was:

People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms

<BSEG>

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 01:12:34 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:12:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222730C@main2.marlow.com>

Sounds up my alley.  I'll contact you offline.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: David Emerson
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/9/03 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)

At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
>Group,
>
>Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that 
>basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 
>reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 
>independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in
two 
>years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread 
>throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 
>their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records
in 
>total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
>
>My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done 
>easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 
>time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their

>client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so 
>budget is an issue.
>
>The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any

>web server would be outsourced.
>
>I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done 
>anything with web based databases.

My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions,
and 
the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 
server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept
in 
the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).

If anyone is interested please email me.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 01:39:09 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:39:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0CF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors.
When you close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

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Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 4:36
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sullivan [mailto:jonsulli at swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support 
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form 
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 01:44:16 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Just a little remark.

If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
access from local and internet network.

Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
complexity developing apps).


 

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Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)


Sounds up my alley.  I'll contact you offline.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: David Emerson
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/9/03 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)

At 23/09/2003, I wrote:
>Group,
>
>Over the past 3 years we have developed a database in Access 97 that
>basically accepts user input, runs some basic calculations and prints 
>reports.  There are about 50 screens and 230 reports.  The users are 
>independent financial planners (about 20 - could rise to about 100 in
two 
>years) and are currently using their own stand alone machines spread
>throughout the USA.  They are the only ones that would normally access 
>their client records.  Currently there are about 5,000 client records
in 
>total but this could rise in the next two years to 50,000.
>
>My client now wants to put it onto the web so that updates can be done
>easier and in one place (rather than needing to be distributed each 
>time).  Users can then access it through the Internet, add/change their

>client data and run off their reports.  This is not a big corporate so
>budget is an issue.
>
>The client also doesn't have an IT department so the maintenance of any

>web server would be outsourced.
>
>I only have experience in Access (97/XP) and SQL2000.  I have not done
>anything with web based databases.

My client wants to pursue this further.  We are looking at solutions,
and 
the implementation of them.  This would include the maintenance of the 
server, database, and website.  Not sure if this discussion is best kept
in 
the list or private (any moderators like to comment?).

If anyone is interested please email me.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 10 03:31:52 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:31:52 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtBY2Nlc3NEXSAgSW50ZXJTeXN0ZW1zIENhY2jpIGRhdGFiYXNl?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?IGVuZ2luZQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <000b01c38e85$59a843a0$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <000b01c38e85$59a843a0$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <85207928.20031010103152@cactus.dk>

Hi Anonymous

Here a simple end user license fee is EUR 240.
However, they offer alternative pricing schemes, like

  Power Units (don't ask)
  Value based

These are intended for OEM and embedded use of the engine.
Further, due to the diverted use of the engine, pricing should be
negotiable. This you will, of course, have to discuss with your local
contact.

How or if this covers a developer license for commercial use, I don't
know yet.

/gustav


> Anyone know the pricing?  The site requires you to fill out a survey to
> get pricing ... If the price isn't on the site, for anything, it?s
> ususally way too expensive.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


> Hi group

> Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

> The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
> easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like language
> - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are at once
> compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC, classes
> via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access the data
> simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly efficient
> they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the engine next to
> the speed of the engine itself.

> Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
> direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
> with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as they
> offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a hidden
> frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is avoided -
> this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious application-like
> running in a browser.

> The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
> the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
> moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
> interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
> remember.

> The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no more
> efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and really
> have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to anything
> including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS, Tru64,
> HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the next release
> - requiring modest hardware only.

> /gustav


>>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or 
>>> otherwise?

>>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>>> not time limited.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 10 04:04:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:04:59 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtBY2Nlc3NEXSAgSW50ZXJTeXN0ZW1zIENhY2jpIGRhdGFiYXNl?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?IGVuZ2luZQ==?=
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References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFECOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1067195416.20031010110459@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Interesting observations because I haven't been able to get hand on
any benchmark results.

However, it is not new, it has been around for several years, since
1997 I believe. Before that the engine ancestors lived outside the pc
world under the name MOMS. Some of our fellow list members may be able
to elaborate on that - I've never heard of it.

/gustav


> Gustav:

> Your comments are so timely. Today I went to lunch with a Database
> programming acquaintance and he was raving about this new database, Cach?.
> He has worked extensively with Sybase right through to SQL2000 and Oracle
> from 5.1 to 9i and he is now working with this DB. He is totally impressed.
> He says that it runs about 50% faster for simple queries but when working
> with large Cubes experiences a steady 600 plus percent performance gain.

> He strongly recommended that I download the free evaluation copy, work my
> way through the tutorials and says they have been supplying excellent email
> support (free) when he has been running into problems.

> It was a very interesting lunch that extended almost a couple of hours.

> Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


> Hi group

> Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

> The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
> easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
> language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
> at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
> classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
> the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
> efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
> engine next to the speed of the engine itself.

> Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
> direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
> with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
> they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
> hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
> avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
> application-like running in a browser.

> The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
> the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
> moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
> interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
> remember.

> The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
> more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
> really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
> anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
> Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
> next release - requiring modest hardware only.

> /gustav


>>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
>>> otherwise?

>>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>>> not time limited.


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 04:26:53 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:26:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a form.
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F973B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

 
I tought it was posible to load an activex control in VBA so a form is
not needed.
I cant seem to find the right command for this.
Maybe I'm mistaking that this is only posible in VB.
 
 

 

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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Fri Oct 10 05:25:22 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:25:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting MDB app to MDB in web
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We are using an MDB on a web that we actualice with and FTP process from our
application. This run correctly but have some problem to synchronice when
more than 1 user is working. We pretend connect the user to the main
database on the web like a simple MDB on a network.

On ASP pages is too easy make this but, from an application in MDB or MDE??

Thanks

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 10 07:11:26 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:11:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a
    form.
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6DE@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Don't controls (ActiveX or otherwise) always need a host (form)?  How is it possible in VB?

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

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Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a form.



I tought it was posible to load an activex control in VBA so a form is not needed.
I cant seem to find the right command for this.
Maybe I'm mistaking that this is only posible in VB.



Erwin Craps
Zaakvoerder 
www.ithelps.be/jonathan



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 10 07:19:15 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:19:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] chk File
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That's what I thought.  I did manage to find a couple of complete files in the .chks but there are a bunch of binary clips that are probably useless.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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Subject: Re: [AccessD] chk File


.chk files are lost clusters that the OS has recovered with no index 
back to the FAT. They generally only contain parts of a file.

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Just a major HD glitch and I'm busy trying to recover my files.  I've got .chk file that simply contains the following:
>
>Sub Main() 
>DBEngine.SystemDB = "c:\windows\system\YourWorkgroupFile.mdw" 
>DBEngine.DefaultUser = "brad" 
>DBEngine.DefaultPassword = "orange" 
>End Sub 
>
>Does anyone have any idea if this is an actual complete file or just a lost piece of a file?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim DeMarco
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Fri Oct 10 07:53:00 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:53:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
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References: <OFCFD64C6A.51AFAE59-ON86256DBA.0060B50E-86256DBA.0060D0B5@nc.us.bank-dns.com>
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Thanks a lot, I did that
>
> You can create a "Splash" screen and set the db properties to open the
> form when starting the db.  You can look in the "Samples.mdb" db for A97
> or maybe even the help in A2K and AXP
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct 10 07:56:16 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:56:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: File Sharing lock count exceeded
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010074404.0267cfb8@pop3.highstream.net>

Rocky,

I am sending this again with comments this time.
I think that will help you (and others) to see
what I did.

Break your process into steps.

The following should be close but I think the
term is air code.


' If you had a flag of some kind that showed
' that the process had already been run against
' the records, we could reduce the number of
' records and get some blazing speed out of it.

' The basic problem is that we are reprocessing
' records that have already been done before
' instead of just processing those that need it

' Once the flag is added and set, we would be
' processing a much smaller set of data.

dim db as database, rs as recordset, rsTax as recordset
dim strSQL as string
dim curSalesTax as currency
' set up the SQL string to use for opening
' the recordset
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE Nz(fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0;)
' Open the recordset
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
' check to see if there are records in it
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      ' close the recordset
      rs.close
      ' setup the SQL string to do the update
      strsql = "UPDATE tblPrintRecoveryForm SET PriceError = 0,"
      strsql = strsql & " TotalDue = 0"
      strsql = strsql & " WHERE Nz(fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0;)
      ' run the SQL directly to perform the update
      docmd.runsql strsql
end if
' set up the SQL string to use for opening
' the next recordset
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid < 0;)"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      rs.close
      ' setup the SQL string to do the update
      strsql = "UPDATE tblPrintRecoveryForm"
      strsql = strsql & " SET PriceError = fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid,"
      strsql = strsql & " TotalDue = PriceError * fldInvoiceDetailQuantity"
      strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid < 0;)"
      ' run the SQL directly to perform the update
      docmd.runsql strsql
end if
' set up the SQL string to use for opening
' the next recordset
strSQL = "Select * "
strsql = strsql & " FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm"
strsql = strsql & " WHERE fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = 'Y';)"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strsql, dbopendynaset)
' since we are limiting the records here instead of
' checking the value as we move through the recordset
' we are actually process less records
if not(rs.eof and rs.bof) then  ' records were returned
      ' here is where it will be slow
      ' we are having to move through all of the records
      ' and then check for the tax rate for each individual
      ' record
      with rs
           .movefirst
           do until .eof
                ' this SQL string should return a single record
                ' if there is a tax rate for the date range
                strsql = SELECT *"
                strsql = strsql & " FROM tblTaxRates
                strsql = strsql & " WEHRE fldTaxRateStartDate <= #"
                strsql = strsql &  !fldInvoiceDate & "# AND 
fldTaxRateEndDate >= #"
                strsql = strsql & !fldInvoiceDate & "#;"
                set rstax = db.openrecordset(strsql, dbopensnapshot)
                if not(rstax.eof and rstax.bof) then  ' a tax rate was found
                     .edit
                     ' now we can edit and update the record
                     ' with the tax info
                          curSalesTax = !PriceError * rsTax!fldTaxRate
                          !SalesTax = curSalesTax
                          !TotalDue = (!PriceError + curSalesTax) * 
!fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
                     .update
                end if
                ' now we can go to the next record and
                ' check it
                .movenext
           loop
      end with
end if
rs.close
rstax.close
set db=nothing


Watch for line wraps
HTH

Robert

At 11:45 AM 10/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:44:40 -0700
>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] File Sharing lock count exceeded
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <015f01c38e84$a2551ca0$6701a8c0 at HAL9002>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Dear List:
>
>I am getting an error in a loop which says:
>
>File sharing lock count exceeded.  Increase MaxLocksPerFile registry entry.
>
>I don't think that's the solution.  The lock limit should not be 
>exceeded.  Somehow I'm not releasing the locks as they're being 
>created.  Is there a trick to doing that? It blows at different counts, 
>too.  Sometimes over 70,000 records get processed, sometimes 40,000.
>
>Here's the code:
>
>'********************************************************************************
>Set rstTaxRate = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblTaxRates")
>Set rstRecoveryTable = db.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPrintRecoveryForm")
>
>With rstRecoveryTable
>
>If .BOF = True And .EOF = True Then GoTo GoodBye:
>
>.MoveLast
>txtTotalRecords = .RecordCount
>.MoveFirst
>lngCount = 0
>
>Do While Not .EOF
>
>     lngCount = lngCount + 1
>     If lngCount Mod 1000 = 0 Then
>         txtRecordNumber = lngCount
>         Me.Repaint
>     End If
>
>     .Edit
>
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPriceShouldBe) = 0 Then
>         !PriceError = 0
>         !TotalDue = 0
>     End If
>
>     If Nz(!fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid) < 0 Then
>         !PriceError = !fldInvoiceDetailPricePaid
>         !TotalDue = !PriceError * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>     End If
>
>     If !fldInvoiceDetailSalesTax = "Y" Then
>
>         ' find tax rate for this invoice date; if not found, tax is zero
>         rstTaxRate.FindFirst "fldTaxRateStartDate <= #" & !fldInvoiceDate _
>             & "# AND fldTaxRateEndDate >= #" & !fldInvoiceDate & "#"
>
>         If rstTaxRate.NoMatch = False Then
>             !SalesTax = !PriceError * rstTaxRate!fldTaxRate
>             !TotalDue = (!PriceError + !SalesTax) * !fldInvoiceDetailQuantity
>         End If
>
>     End If
>
>     .Update
>
>     .MoveNext
>Loop
>
>End With
>'*************************************************************************
>
>Any hints?
>
>MTIA,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 08:03:12 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:03:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] code on Database Opening
Message-ID: <20031010130308.8865324DBDB@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 10 08:21:10 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:21:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
Message-ID: <3F867A06.2367.94B617@localhost>

A quick question about classes and events

If I create a class that has a loop in one of the methods and raise 
an event in that loop. 

If I have used WithEvents to dim the class and created an event 
handler to deal with this event, does the loop code in the class 
"pause" while the event handler handles the raised event?

--
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Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a 
mistake when you make it again.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 10 08:23:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:23:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms <SOLVED> 
In-Reply-To: <20031010055554.4616.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEHDFEAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>John, thanx for this incredible explanation. Can I ask you something? Do
you walk around in a magical cloak?

LOL.  As the saying goes, we all stand on the shoulders of giants.

The shoulders I stand on are my Russian friend Shamil's.  I knew nothing of
Withevents until I started listening to little hints that Shamil would drop
in the list several years ago.  Shamil was truly one of the pioneers in
using Withevents, before him there was damned little published on the
subject.

I went to his web site and studied his code examples, and eventually, after
about the third attempt at understanding it, it all just clicked.  In my
case I never used classes (with Access) and you can't use WithEvents without
using Classes so I had to figure out the "why would you use classes" as well
as the "How do you use Withevents".

BTW, there are Withevent demos on the www.DatabaseAdvisors.com web site.  Go
to the newsletters page, then look in:

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newletters/newsletter092001.htm
The newsletter "Adding a treeview control" for the article "TextBox Class"

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newletters/newsletter112001.htm
The newsletter "Color matching in forms" for the article "Form class demo"

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newletters/newsletter022002.htm
The newsletter "Binary bits and bytes" for the article "Creating a record
selector class"

and finally

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newletters/newsletter052002.htm
The newsletter "What's That Form" for an article I wrote on "combining
Withevents and Raiseevents".

That should give you a little info to get you started using Withevents (and
RaiseEvents).

Good luck and enjoy.  Withevents are really cool stuff that let you do
things that could be difficult to do otherwise.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADHB2K - frmMultiPickMSForms <SOLVED>


....and then there was silence!
John, thanx for this incredible explenation. Can I ask
you something? Do you walk around in a magical cloak?
:-)

Once again thanx for you're detailed answer. I've got
some new stuff to try. This is why I love this list!

Regards,

Sander

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> SD,
>
> I have just finished taking this stuff (from adh 97
> apparently) and turning
> it into a class.  In my case I use Withevents which
> means that the events
> for the controls are handled right inside of the
> class.  It appears that
> this is probably how this (your) version works as
> well.
>
> Withevents is a keyword used with a dim statement
> for controls.  The syntax
> looks like:
>
> Private WithEvents mcmdAddOne As CommandButton
>
> The Withevent keywords can only be used in a class,
> which the form module is
> by the way.  Withevents says essentially, "this
> control is dimensioned 'with
> its events' being handled in this class".
>
> Once you dimension a control in this manner, then
> when an event for that
> control fires, control CAN be passed to code in your
> class.  I stress the
> word CAN because it won't necessarily be done.  In
> order for control for a
> given event to be passed to your class, the event
> stub has to be present in
> the class AND the exact text "[Event Procedure]" has
> to be present in the
> corresponding control event property.
>
> Any Access developer who programs the events for
> forms or controls is
> already familiar with these restraints, although you
> may not have ever
> thought about them.  When you want to use some
> event, you usually dbl-click
> in the form or control's property.  Let's take a
> command button as an
> example.
>
> You dbl-click in the "On Click" property of the
> control.
> The words "[Event Procedure]" magically appear in
> the property.  Nothing
> else has happened so far.
> You click on the ellipsis off to the right of the
> event.
> You are magically transported to the code editor and
> the following text is
> magically inserted into the form's module (which
> remember is a class).
>
> Private Sub cmdOK_MouseDown(Button As Integer, Shift
> As Integer, X As
> Single, Y As Single)
> End Sub
>
> Remember I said that in order for control to be
> passed to a class you had to
> have three things.
>
> 1) The control dimensioned "Withevents".
> 2) The exact text "[Event Procedure]" inserted in
> the event property of
> interest in the control.
> 3) An event stub inserted in your class to gain
> control of (sink) the event
> when it fires.
>
> In essence the wizard behind the property box takes
> care of doing these
> three things for you.
>
> One thing to note here is that ALL controls (and the
> form itself) are
> automatically "dimmed withevents" in a form's class
> module, i.e. it doesn't
> have to be explicitly done.  In YOUR classes it will
> have to be done!
>
> Once these three things are done, then when THAT
> event fires, control will
> eventually be passed to your class and you can do
> whatever you want inside
> that event stub.
>
> So that my friend is Withevents, and that is
> probably why you don't see any
> event handlers as you are accustomed to seeing in
> the form's class.  If you
> don't understand this stuff, LEARN IT.  It will take
> your Access abilities
> to a whole new level.  It's very easy to use and
> opens up a whole new world
> of possibilities in your applications.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 10 08:24:31 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:24:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7798@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Probably so. But wouldn't it be simple enough just to try it out and see
what actually happens?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bryan Carbonnell [SMTP:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> Sent:	Friday, October 10, 2003 9:21 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
> 
> A quick question about classes and events
> 
> If I create a class that has a loop in one of the methods and raise 
> an event in that loop. 
> 
> If I have used WithEvents to dim the class and created an event 
> handler to deal with this event, does the loop code in the class 
> "pause" while the event handler handles the raised event?
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a 
> mistake when you make it again.
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 10 08:28:17 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:28:17 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A use for Switch()
Message-ID: <8722992691.20031010152817@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I've never found a use for Switch() but the other day a client asked
me to sort a small combobox in a weird way without adding a new column
with a sort index.

Here you can use Switch().
An example is how to sort colours by description:

<SQL>

  SELECT
    ID,
    Description
  FROM
    tblColours
  ORDER BY
    Switch(
      [Description]="Red",1,
      [Description]="Yellow",2,
      [Description]="Green",3,
      [Description]="Cyan",4,
      [Description]="Blue",5,
      [Description]="Magenta",6,
      True,9);

</SQL>

Note the last item for "catch any not listed".

/gustav


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 10 08:49:14 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:49:14 -0500
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BAccessD=5D__InterSystems_Cach=E9_database_engine?=
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFECOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEMNELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Jim,
Cach? isn't really very new. I don't know when it first arrived on the scene
but I have been laughing at their adds for at least a couple of years now.
(Dr. Dobbs Journal)

They have adds where a picture shows the front of a Cheetah with a Cow's
back end and legs (morphed together) and a slogan of something like - Is
your database holding your application back from its true potential?

The latest one is the front of a Grand Prix car morphed into the back end of
a farm tractor. Good stuff.

I've read some good reviews about it too.

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine
>
>
> Gustav:
>
> Your comments are so timely. Today I went to lunch with a Database
> programming acquaintance and he was raving about this new database, Cach?.
> He has worked extensively with Sybase right through to SQL2000 and Oracle
> from 5.1 to 9i and he is now working with this DB. He is totally
> impressed.
> He says that it runs about 50% faster for simple queries but when working
> with large Cubes experiences a steady 600 plus percent performance gain.
>
> He strongly recommended that I download the free evaluation copy, work my
> way through the tutorials and says they have been supplying
> excellent email
> support (free) when he has been running into problems.
>
> It was a very interesting lunch that extended almost a couple of hours.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine
>
>
> Hi group
>
> Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.
>
> The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
> easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like
> language - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are
> at once compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC,
> classes via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access
> the data simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly
> efficient they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the
> engine next to the speed of the engine itself.
>
> Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
> direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
> with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as
> they offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a
> hidden frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is
> avoided - this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious
> application-like running in a browser.
>
> The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
> the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
> moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
> interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
> remember.
>
> The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no
> more efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and
> really have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to
> anything including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS,
> Tru64, HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the
> next release - requiring modest hardware only.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:
>
> >>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html
>
> >> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or
> >> otherwise?
>
> >> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
> >> not time limited.
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct 10 09:10:36 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:10:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <200310101349.h9ADnpe30579@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010090814.026b5028@pop3.highstream.net>

Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
It will connect to any SQL Server.

Robert

P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
ADP, let me know if you need any help with
it.  I am in the final stages of converting
a large application into it and can fill you
in on some of the things to look for.

At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Just a little remark.
>
>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
>access from local and internet network.
>
>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
>complexity developing apps).
>
>
>
>
>Erwin Craps



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 09:12:08 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:12:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A use for Switch()
Message-ID: <20031010141204.9A28424FDAC@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 10 09:35:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:35:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
In-Reply-To: <3F867A06.2367.94B617@localhost>
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Bryan,

Yes, it will.  VBA is single threaded, meaning that only a single thread of
code is executing at any given time.  It isn't just your raising events
however, if you were to place a message box asking a user a question in any
event of any form or control, ALL processing stops until the user answers
the question.  If you fire a query in an event that updates a million
records, and that query takes 2 minutes, ALL code stops executing until that
query finishes processing.  Etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:21 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes


A quick question about classes and events

If I create a class that has a loop in one of the methods and raise
an event in that loop.

If I have used WithEvents to dim the class and created an event
handler to deal with this event, does the loop code in the class
"pause" while the event handler handles the raised event?

--
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 10 09:42:03 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:42:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
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Message-ID: <3F868CFB.17425.DEC404@localhost>

On 10 Oct 2003 at 9:24, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

> Probably so. But wouldn't it be simple enough just to try it out and
> see what actually happens?

It probably would, but I'm in the conceptual design stage of the code 
at the moment, and if it doesn't it would be much easier to rethink 
the whole implementation now rather than later.

--
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You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 10 09:42:03 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:42:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
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On 10 Oct 2003 at 10:35, John Colby wrote:

> Yes, it will.  VBA is single threaded, meaning that only a single
> thread of code is executing at any given time.  It isn't just your
> raising events however, if you were to place a message box asking a
> user a question in any event of any form or control, ALL processing
> stops until the user answers the question.  If you fire a query in an
> event that updates a million records, and that query takes 2 minutes,
> ALL code stops executing until that query finishes processing.  Etc.

Thanks John. This was the answer I was hoping for :-))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what the 
hell happened. - Cora Harvey Armstrong



From greggs at msn.com  Fri Oct 10 10:03:33 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:03:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open one database from another in A97
In-Reply-To: <014501c38d0d$d9d28690$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIAEKCDAAA.greggs@msn.com>

I have a database that opens a second database using sendkeys (ugly huh?).
I need to switch to DAO so I can open a password protected database.  I have
used the code from the knowledge base
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;161016&Product=acc97
but I can't get it to close the first database and open a form in the
second.

here's the code from the Knowledge base...

Sub OpenDB()
       Dim db As Database
       Dim ws As WorkSpace
       Dim rst As Recordset
       Set ws = DBEngine.WorkSpaces(0)
       Set db = ws.OpenDatabase _
       ("C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb", _
       False, False, "MS Access;PWD=northwind")
       Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("Customers", dbOpenDynaset)
       If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
         rst.MoveLast
         MsgBox rst!CustomerID
       End If
       rst.Close
       db.Close
      End Sub

Do I have to open an application first?



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Oct 10 10:27:28 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:27:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Capture Milliseconds
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010102416.0277c238@pop3.highstream.net>

List,

Does anyone out there have a function
that will give you the milliseconds?
Specifically, what I am looking for
is a function that could calculate
the number of milliseconds from a
specific date and time to a specific
date and time where the time portion
is in milliseconds and not just seconds.

Thanks,

Robert



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 10 10:37:39 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:37:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6EB@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors.
When you close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

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Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sullivan [mailto:jonsulli at swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support 
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form 
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 10 10:57:06 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:57:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Capture Milliseconds
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010102416.0277c238@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c38f47$27ad3aa0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...look at KB 172338 ...HTH :)

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From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Capture Milliseconds


> List,
> 
> Does anyone out there have a function
> that will give you the milliseconds?
> Specifically, what I am looking for
> is a function that could calculate
> the number of milliseconds from a
> specific date and time to a specific
> date and time where the time portion
> is in milliseconds and not just seconds.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
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From lists at theopg.com  Fri Oct 10 11:52:52 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:52:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]	Help!!! Dead MDB -
	..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand	another user are""
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227304@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <007201c38f4e$f66178f0$5d0d6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks for that... I will check it out 
 
mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 09 October 2003 20:37
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Because we had a faulty NIC, on a laptop docking station, that was
corrupting one of my databases every week.  (It read it fine, but
everyone's machine has a VB .exe that dumps the current info about that
machine (memory, disk space, etc.) into the database every 7 days.).  So
when you mentioned your laptop, it just brought that too mind.  We put a
PCMCIA NIC into the laptop, and didn't have anymore problems.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Thanks Drew... I've been exporting any edited objects ever since, not
just backing up the mdb. Hadn't thought about the NIC, what makes you
mention it?
 
Cheers
 
Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 08 October 2003 23:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


It can be a faulty NIC.  I'd be very careful.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MarkH [mailto:lists at theopg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Not really...  The mdb exited fine, there was no indication of a
problem. Its a new file with less than 25 objects or so, not even a meg
in size. The laptop did bluescreen when I shut it down though, but that
was more than an hour later. 
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: 08 October 2003 02:25
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB -
..."stoppedtheprocessbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark - such a bummer when you waste time on that stuff - did you work
out how the corruption happened in the first place? Anything specific?
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:lists at theopg.com"MarkH 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving' 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped
theprocessbecause...Youand another user are""

Thanks, I know... But it was 3 very manic hours butchering code from
several different projects and merging it into one new one... I was
hoping not to have to go through it again. Did it this morning ... 

Cheers

Mark

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isors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...Youand another user are""


Mark,

  Only 3 hours?  Goto to the backup!  You've probably wasted 3 hours
already trying to get the old file to work.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
HYPERLINK "mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net"jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
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isors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the
processbecause...You and another user are""


Thanks... But I can't even import one object. Whatever I do I get the
same error. I have a backup at work, but I don?t want to lose those
particular 3 hours work... I hate doing the same thing twice :O(

Cheers

Mark

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isors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process
because...You and another user are""


Mark:

I'd try importing the objects a few at a time to try to find the one
that's causing the problem.  Any backups?  Previous versions from which
you could import the object that's corrupted in the current version?

Rocky

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Subject: [AccessD] Help!!! Dead MDB - ..."stopped the process because...
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> Hello...
>
> I got a bad feeling on this one... I have an MDB in XP that wont open.
>
> I get the message "The Microsoft Jet Database engine stopped the 
> process because you and another user are attempting to change the same

> data at the same time.". It doesn't go any further.
>
> I get the same error if I compact and repair or try and import the 
> objects... :O(
>
> Any ideas much appreciated
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 10 12:31:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:31:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A use for Switch()
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Hi Andy

I don't think you'll be able to notice any difference.

But an IIf construction handling more than a couple of items is
horrible.

> That's neat Gustav. I'd have used IIF but I know that that's hard on
> resources. Is SWITCH any better?

/gustav


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Oct 10 13:49:09 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:49:09 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program 
wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the 
situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but 
access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for 
them).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
>It will connect to any SQL Server.
>
>Robert
>
>P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
>ADP, let me know if you need any help with
>it.  I am in the final stages of converting
>a large application into it and can fill you
>in on some of the things to look for.
>
>At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
>>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID:
>>         <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>Just a little remark.
>>
>>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
>>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
>>access from local and internet network.
>>
>>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
>>complexity developing apps).
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Fri Oct 10 14:02:27 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:02:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Some optical illusions to blow your mind
Message-ID: <000d01c38f61$0ccac1c0$2501a8c0@PASCAL>

http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/index-e.html

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
763-391-7400
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 14:01:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:01:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9749@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


You can use object type to. 
This will result in not having the autosuggest while developing.
I noticed that this solved some issues to. Al hase to do with late/early
binding.


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Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning
up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a
Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to
Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors. When you
close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

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John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sullivan [mailto:jonsulli at swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Oct 10 14:07:48 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:07:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
References: <200310101349.h9ADnpe30579@databaseadvisors.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <002401c38f61$cc6a3ce0$5b0b6351@martin1>

Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
Access reports almost as is via the web.

If you need anymore information email me.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)


> Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
> access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for
> them).
>
> David
>
> At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> >a large application into it and can fill you
> >in on some of the things to look for.
> >
> >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Message-ID:
> >>
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> >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >>Just a little remark.
> >>
> >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> >>access from local and internet network.
> >>
> >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> >>complexity developing apps).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 10 14:09:19 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:09:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F6FA@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

>>You can use object type to<< 
Sorry don't understand what you mean.

BTW - it works on her machine now if she uses a Variant for the VBIDE objects.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails



You can use object type to. 
This will result in not having the autosuggest while developing.
I noticed that this solved some issues to. Al hase to do with late/early
binding.


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Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 17:38
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning
up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a
Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to
Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors. When you
close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sullivan [mailto:jonsulli at swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 10 14:23:00 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:23:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting MDB app to MDB in web
References: <000901c38f18$d020e670$0000fea9@servercafe>
Message-ID: <3F870714.7010708@shaw.ca>

how about uploading a recordset in Access via a Soap service ?

MastercafeCTV wrote:

>We are using an MDB on a web that we actualice with and FTP process from our
>application. This run correctly but have some problem to synchronice when
>more than 1 user is working. We pretend connect the user to the main
>database on the web like a simple MDB on a network.
>
>On ASP pages is too easy make this but, from an application in MDB or MDE??
>
>Thanks
>
>Juan Menendez
>
>===========================================
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 10 14:34:07 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:34:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Open one database from another in A97
References: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIAEKCDAAA.greggs@msn.com>
Message-ID: <3F8709AF.9080207@shaw.ca>

You could try TSI SOON
http://www.trigeminal.com/lang/1033/utility.asp?ItemID=8#8

Greggs wrote:

>I have a database that opens a second database using sendkeys (ugly huh?).
>I need to switch to DAO so I can open a password protected database.  I have
>used the code from the knowledge base
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;161016&Product=acc97
>but I can't get it to close the first database and open a form in the
>second.
>
>here's the code from the Knowledge base...
>
>Sub OpenDB()
>       Dim db As Database
>       Dim ws As WorkSpace
>       Dim rst As Recordset
>       Set ws = DBEngine.WorkSpaces(0)
>       Set db = ws.OpenDatabase _
>       ("C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb", _
>       False, False, "MS Access;PWD=northwind")
>       Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("Customers", dbOpenDynaset)
>       If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
>         rst.MoveLast
>         MsgBox rst!CustomerID
>       End If
>       rst.Close
>       db.Close
>      End Sub
>
>Do I have to open an application first?
>
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Oct 10 14:43:37 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:43:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C629127@natexch.jenkens.com>

I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.  Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.  Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to fix
it?

Debbie


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 14:52:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:52:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222730F@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, because an event can return values....so it's 'modal'.

That way if you raise a 'ImportAboutToBegin' event, with a Cancel argument,
you can check for the Cancel argument value on the next line to determine if
you want to begin or not.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 10/10/03 8:21 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Raising Events in Custom Classes

A quick question about classes and events

If I create a class that has a loop in one of the methods and raise 
an event in that loop. 

If I have used WithEvents to dim the class and created an event 
handler to deal with this event, does the loop code in the class 
"pause" while the event handler handles the raised event?

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 14:56:58 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:56:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227310@main2.marlow.com>

Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move to a
SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data dumping into
SQL Server.

TIA,

Drew

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Oct 10 15:01:31 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:01:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227310@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003501c38f69$4df29f30$5b0b6351@martin1>

Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.


Martin



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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move to a
> SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data dumping
into
> SQL Server.
>
> TIA,
>
> Drew
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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Oct 10 15:06:08 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:06:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E31@NT04.karta.com>


Have you upgraded your print driver?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.  Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.  Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to fix
it?

Debbie


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 10 15:13:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:13:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C629127@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c38f6b$07501fb0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...have you installed the latest driver from HP? ...the default install uses
the MS unidrivers and they are problematic with a number of printers in XP
...I've got a large format/high speed Minolta that works fine in 98/2K but
is a real pita w/XP :(

William Hindman
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From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


> I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
> recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.
Using
> NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now it
> does not.
>
> The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
> legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can force
> the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts
off
> to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
> record to another page.
>
> I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.  Printers
of
> other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to
fix
> it?
>
> Debbie
>
>
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Oct 10 15:16:11 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:16:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C629128@natexch.jenkens.com>

The XP installation was from scratch.  We did not upgrade over top of the NT
workstation.  All printer drivers would be those in XP.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems



Have you upgraded your print driver?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.  Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.  Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to fix
it?

Debbie


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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Oct 10 15:22:52 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:22:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D176070B7@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Debbie,
We also have 4 HP 8100Ns. Another thing to check, assuming it's a
networked printer are the drivers that the network folks loaded.  You
can have PCL or Postscript or both.  We had some problems with documents
created using a default printer as postscript and then having to print
it on a PCL printer when one of our print servers went South.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.
Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now
it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can
force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts
off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.
Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to
fix
it?

Debbie


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 10 15:28:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:28:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227311@main2.marlow.com>

I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain to
my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to come
in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
looking for industry standard pricing.....

Make sense?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?

Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.


Martin



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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
to a
> SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
dumping
into
> SQL Server.
>
> TIA,
>
> Drew
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Oct 10 15:33:43 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:33:43 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <002401c38f61$cc6a3ce0$5b0b6351@martin1>
References: <200310101349.h9ADnpe30579@databaseadvisors.com>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031011093149.00b3e260@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

What are the reporting problems?  The primary purpose of the application is 
to generate the reports.  The idea is to enter the data via a web interface 
but print out the reports on the users printer.

David


At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
>Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
>have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
>software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
>Access reports almost as is via the web.
>
>If you need anymore information email me.
>
>Martin
>
>
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>From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> > wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> > situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
> > access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for
> > them).
> >
> > David
> >
> > At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > >
> > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >>Message-ID:
> > >>
><DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > >>
> > >>Just a little remark.
> > >>
> > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> > >>access from local and internet network.
> > >>
> > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > >>complexity developing apps).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Erwin Craps
> > >
> > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 10 15:36:18 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:36:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227311@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004301c38f6e$28a6cb20$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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> I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain
to
> my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
> problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to come
> in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
> looking for industry standard pricing.....
>
> Make sense?
>
> Drew
>
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> Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
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>
> Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
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> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
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>
>
> > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> to a
> > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> dumping
> into
> > SQL Server.
> >
> > TIA,
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From KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org  Fri Oct 10 15:57:23 2003
From: KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org (KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:57:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
Message-ID: <OFC94D8447.4D460423-ON05256DBB.007311D4@parkcenter.org>

Haven't seen the whole thread, but is Citrix an option here?    Works 
beautifully for us.






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What are the reporting problems?  The primary purpose of the application 
is 
to generate the reports.  The idea is to enter the data via a web 
interface 
but print out the reports on the users printer.

David


At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
>Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
>have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
>software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
>Access reports almost as is via the web.
>
>If you need anymore information email me.
>
>Martin
>
>
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>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the 
program
> > wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> > situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines 
but
> > access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple 
for
> > them).
> >
> > David
> >
> > At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > >
> > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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> > >>
><DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
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> > >>
> > >>Just a little remark.
> > >>
> > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for 
simultaneous
> > >>access from local and internet network.
> > >>
> > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > >>complexity developing apps).
> > >>
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> > >>
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Fri Oct 10 15:56:54 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:56:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting MDB app to MDB in web
In-Reply-To: <3F870714.7010708@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001501c38f71$0a43fc90$0000fea9@servercafe>

We use a FTP ActiveX control to upload the database, for control some
synchro problems we use some boolean fields (domestic solution, we are study
replications in access). When we actualized the main, go to the Upload
process and 5 min later is ready to use on the web.

Simply but not many professional, we use ASP on the web, and MDE aplication
on PC's. We are looking information who to use the same database from ASP or
MDE local aplication.

Juan

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Sent: viernes, 10 de octubre de 2003 21:23
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connecting MDB app to MDB in web


how about uploading a recordset in Access via a Soap service ?

MastercafeCTV wrote:

>We are using an MDB on a web that we actualice with and FTP process 
>from our application. This run correctly but have some problem to 
>synchronice when more than 1 user is working. We pretend connect the 
>user to the main database on the web like a simple MDB on a network.
>
>On ASP pages is too easy make this but, from an application in MDB or 
>MDE??
>
>Thanks
>
>Juan Menendez
>
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From rfv at entelix.com  Fri Oct 10 17:09:23 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:09:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <200310102109.h9AL9ae07563@databaseadvisors.com>

Why not simply use MS Terminal Services!
Rudolf F. Vanek

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2003 12:49 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving

Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program 
wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the 
situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but 
access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for 
them).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
>It will connect to any SQL Server.
>
>Robert
>
>P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
>ADP, let me know if you need any help with
>it.  I am in the final stages of converting
>a large application into it and can fill you
>in on some of the things to look for.
>
>At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
>>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID:
>>         <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>Just a little remark.
>>
>>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
>>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
>>access from local and internet network.
>>
>>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
>>complexity developing apps).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps
>
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri Oct 10 16:12:48 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:12:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C62912A@natexch.jenkens.com>

I will give this a try.  Unfortunately I need to get the network guys to do
it.  My attempts at tests showed that I did not have enough permissions.  I
could not even use a local printer driver.  Well we shall see.

Debbie

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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:23 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


Debbie,
We also have 4 HP 8100Ns. Another thing to check, assuming it's a
networked printer are the drivers that the network folks loaded.  You
can have PCL or Postscript or both.  We had some problems with documents
created using a default printer as postscript and then having to print
it on a PCL printer when one of our print servers went South.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.
Using
NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly, now
it
does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can
force
the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing still cuts
off
to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves the rest of the
record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this.
Printers of
other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done to
fix
it?

Debbie


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 16:57:06 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:57:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A use for Switch()
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True so true

Andy

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> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> I don't think you'll be able to notice any difference.
> 
> But an IIf construction handling more than a couple of items 
> is horrible.
> 
> > That's neat Gustav. I'd have used IIF but I know that 
> that's hard on 
> > resources. Is SWITCH any better?
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 17:52:20 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:52:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F974A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Dim objExcel as object
Dim objWorksheet as object

This is more clear than variant.

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>>You can use object type to<<
Sorry don't understand what you mean.

BTW - it works on her machine now if she uses a Variant for the VBIDE
objects.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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You can use object type to. 
This will result in not having the autosuggest while developing.
I noticed that this solved some issues to. Al hase to do with late/early
binding.


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Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning
up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a
Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to
Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors. When you
close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

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John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

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Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
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>TIA,
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 10 17:56:47 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:56:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F974B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

IF you previously saved your report with a specific printer,your saved
settings will reset when it detects you don't have that pprinter no
more.

Edit the report (design mode), choose default printer, set landscape
options...save report and try again.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Elam, Debbie
Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 23:13
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I will give this a try.  Unfortunately I need to get the network guys to
do it.  My attempts at tests showed that I did not have enough
permissions.  I could not even use a local printer driver.  Well we
shall see.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


Debbie,
We also have 4 HP 8100Ns. Another thing to check, assuming it's a
networked printer are the drivers that the network folks loaded.  You
can have PCL or Postscript or both.  We had some problems with documents
created using a default printer as postscript and then having to print
it on a PCL printer when one of our print servers went South.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] HP 8100N LaserJet problems


I am having a problem with this particular model of printer.  We have
recently upgraded from Windows NT and Access 97 to XP and Access XP.
Using NT and 97, this printer would print a particular report correctly,
now it does not.

The report is landscape and legal size.  The settings show landscape and
legal, but the print preview still shows portrait and letter.  I can
force the printer settings to landscape and legal, but the printing
still cuts off to the size it should be for portrait letter and moves
the rest of the record to another page.

I have 3 printers of this model and all of them are doing this. Printers
of other models are not having this problem.  Any ideas what can be done
to fix it?

Debbie


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From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Oct 10 22:15:30 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:15:30 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
Message-ID: <oprwuzb4sceuy8y3@localhost>

Dear Mates:
I?d like to have your opinion on this matter. An app of mine has a form 
with a graph object based on a query. End-users want to export this graph 
in order to use it in a PowerPoint slide; so it might be exported as .BMP, 
.JPG, .GIF or .WMF. I tried the code below in a cmdbutton?

Dim objGraph as object
Set objGraph = Me![Graph_Name].object
ObjGraph.Export ?c:\temp\Graph_Name.JPG?
?objGraph.Action = acOLECopy
Set objGraph = Nothing

Appropriate reference to MS Graph 9 has been set.
The Export method worked fine and the graph was correctly exported. The 
Action method didn?t work at all. My real problem is that both methods 
generate an error msg stating ?OLE server must be re-installed? and Access 
itself crashed. Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I found one (sometimes two or three) 
instances (processes?) ?Graph9? still opened. Another important 
consideration is that end-users will work with Access 2000 but other 
components of Office 97.
TIA,
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 10 22:23:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:23:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
References: <oprwuzb4sceuy8y3@localhost>
Message-ID: <000d01c38fa7$17126de0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...just a wag ...bmp is the native Access graphic filter ...the jpg graphic
filter is installed with the other office components and not native to
Access ...thus trying to use the O97 jpg filter with A2K may be a problem.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carlos Alberto Alves" <caa at highway.com.br>
To: "AccessD List" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object


> Dear Mates:
> I?d like to have your opinion on this matter. An app of mine has a form
> with a graph object based on a query. End-users want to export this graph
> in order to use it in a PowerPoint slide; so it might be exported as .BMP,
> .JPG, .GIF or .WMF. I tried the code below in a cmdbutton?
>
> Dim objGraph as object
> Set objGraph = Me![Graph_Name].object
> ObjGraph.Export ?c:\temp\Graph_Name.JPG?
> ?objGraph.Action = acOLECopy
> Set objGraph = Nothing
>
> Appropriate reference to MS Graph 9 has been set.
> The Export method worked fine and the graph was correctly exported. The
> Action method didn?t work at all. My real problem is that both methods
> generate an error msg stating ?OLE server must be re-installed? and Access
> itself crashed. Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I found one (sometimes two or three)
> instances (processes?) ?Graph9? still opened. Another important
> consideration is that end-users will work with Access 2000 but other
> components of Office 97.
> TIA,
> -- 
> **************************************
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From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Oct 10 22:54:17 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:54:17 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
In-Reply-To: <000d01c38fa7$17126de0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <oprwuzb4sceuy8y3@localhost>
	<000d01c38fa7$17126de0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <oprwu04rdmeuy8y3@localhost>

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:23:50 -0400, William Hindman 
<wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> ...just a wag ...bmp is the native Access graphic filter ...the jpg 
> graphic
> filter is installed with the other office components and not native to
> Access ...thus trying to use the O97 jpg filter with A2K may be a 
> problem.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Alberto Alves" 
> <caa at highway.com.br>
> To: "AccessD List" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:15 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
>
>
>> Dear Mates:
>> I?d like to have your opinion on this matter. An app of mine has a form
>> with a graph object based on a query. End-users want to export this 
>> graph
>> in order to use it in a PowerPoint slide; so it might be exported as 
>> .BMP,
>> .JPG, .GIF or .WMF. I tried the code below in a cmdbutton?
>>
>> Dim objGraph as object
>> Set objGraph = Me![Graph_Name].object
>> ObjGraph.Export ?c:\temp\Graph_Name.JPG?
>> ?objGraph.Action = acOLECopy
>> Set objGraph = Nothing
>>
>> Appropriate reference to MS Graph 9 has been set.
>> The Export method worked fine and the graph was correctly exported. The
>> Action method didn?t work at all. My real problem is that both methods
>> generate an error msg stating ?OLE server must be re-installed? and 
>> Access
>> itself crashed. Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I found one (sometimes two or three)
>> instances (processes?) ?Graph9? still opened. Another important
>> consideration is that end-users will work with Access 2000 but other
>> components of Office 97.

I will try .BMP format and let you know the outcome.
Thanks for your reply,
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Oct 10 17:31:31 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:31:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227311@main2.marlow.com>
	<004301c38f6e$28a6cb20$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000001c38fd0$ce66a9b0$5b0b6351@martin1>

Drew

as william says

How many tables
Whats the data like
What is the data
Lot of  dates there
How "valid" is the data

etc etc

I found again as William says its either simple and things go well or you
end up with one or two manual changes to make.

If I can see the mdb I will give you my price for it and you can take it
from there at whatever rate u charge.


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> ...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
> structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
> ...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
> full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain
> to
> > my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> > before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
> > problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to
come
> > in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
> > looking for industry standard pricing.....
> >
> > Make sense?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Reid
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> > Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> >
> > > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> > to a
> > > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> > > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> > dumping
> > into
> > > SQL Server.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Drew
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 11 04:06:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:06:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
In-Reply-To: <3F79700E0010BB12@cpfe9.be.tisc.dk>
References: <3F79700E0010BB12@cpfe9.be.tisc.dk> (added by
 postmaster@cpmail.dk.tiscali.com)
Message-ID: <1843120867.20031011110659@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Joel Spolsky has some comments on PHP, internationalization, Unicode
and character sets.

/gustav

---

From: Joel On Software <fogcreek at whatcounts.com>
Date: Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:47:53 AM
Subject: [JoelOnSoftware] Unicode and Character Sets

When I discovered that the popular web development tool PHP 
has almost complete ignorance of character encoding issues, 
blithely using 8 bits for characters, making it darn near 
impossible to develop good international web applications, 
I thought, enough is enough. 

So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer 
working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters, 
character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm 
going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in 
a submarine. I swear I will.

 The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer 
 Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and 
 Character Sets (No Excuses!)

 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

Joel Spolsky
spolsky at fogcreek.com


From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sat Oct 11 04:28:06 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:58:06 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A421@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Because you don't have a native reporting tool available (such as Access).

Much harder to produce custom reports in HTML with the flexibility you are
used to with Access.  This is the reason that there are producst such as
"Crystal Reports' on the market.

(PS.  MS are about to release a new (web based) reporting tool linked to SQL
Server but using a similar design interface as Access.  Currently in BETA)

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 6:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)


What are the reporting problems?  The primary purpose of the application is 
to generate the reports.  The idea is to enter the data via a web interface 
but print out the reports on the users printer.

David


At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
>Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
>have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
>software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
>Access reports almost as is via the web.
>
>If you need anymore information email me.
>
>Martin
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> > wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> > situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines
but
> > access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple
for
> > them).
> >
> > David
> >
> > At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > >
> > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >>Message-ID:
> > >>
><DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > >>
> > >>Just a little remark.
> > >>
> > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> > >>access from local and internet network.
> > >>
> > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > >>complexity developing apps).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Erwin Craps
> > >
> > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 11 05:45:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:45:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Subquery returns to many or no records
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Hi Chester

> Tried your suggestion with no change in the result. I checked and there
> are 21 records on the subject date. I want to sum the records that meet
> the subquery criteria. Thanks

I think you need to elaborate a little (well, much) on this to get any
useful answers.
Not quite sure what you're after and why and which criteria for what
and if these are generic or for the sum only ...

/gustav


>> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT,
>> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
>> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
>> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT BOPD from T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM 
>> where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS")
>> AND ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or
>> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));

>> If I change the query to the following no records are returned

>> SELECT DISTINCT T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT, 
>> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD FROM T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM WHERE 
>> (((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.ORAACTDT)=#10/1/2003#) AND 
>> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.BOPD)=(SELECT SUM(BOPD) from 
>> T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM where USRFLD1 ="Y")) AND 
>> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.AREADESC)="TEXAS GAS") AND 
>> ((T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF FORT STOCKTON" Or 
>> (T9DATA_CATDAILYPRODM.SUPVNM)="TGF KERMIT"));


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 07:16:32 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:16:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65718@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <004401c38ff1$8200d9d0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Paula
See previous thread on 19 Sept subject "Restore box". It's maximizing
the window that is the problem. If you don't max then you can control
whether Restore, Close etc appear. If you max then you can't. the trick
is to size the window to almost max but not actually maximize. The link
Bryan's given you is to do just that.
 
HTH
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>  

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paula Wright
Sent: 08 October 2003 13:32
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Restore button



No.  That didn't affect anything. 

Paula 

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:13 -0400 
From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com> 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Restore button 
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Message-ID: 
        <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1896C9 at wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

Paula - 

Try changing the form's 'Border Style' property to Dialog. 



Mark 



-----Original Message----- 
From: Paula Wright [ <mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com>
mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:35 PM 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Restore button 



I'm using Access XP.  I have a form that I maximize on opening the
database.  This form has a Restore Window button in the top right corner
than I cannot seem to get rid of.  The Control  Box is set to No, the
Min Max Buttons set to None.  I have searched the Options, Tools and
Help and not found anything.  Does anyone know how to remove the restore
window button?  

Also, there is a Help question box that is on the Access Menu Bar.  I'd
like to remove that as well. 

Thanks, 

Paula Wright 
Programmer/Analyst 
paulawright at boddienoell.com < <mailto:paulawright at boddienoell.com>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 07:20:55 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:20:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Updating a table 
In-Reply-To: <1760BC98927AD51181A60002A51EF7315B1DA8@SUMMIT01S003>
Message-ID: <004e01c38ff2$1ee7ef40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Paul
When you say "selected by the User", how are they selected? How for that
matter are they originally filtered from the main table? What you need
is to use the criteria which filtered them, plus the criteria which
defines "selected by user", in an uopdate query which will update
TheField with the value "bb3". Beyond that we'd need more info to be
more specific.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: 07 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Updating a table 


150 records are filtered from a table (tblMyTable) which holds about
1500 records. 120 of them are selected by the User and now I must enter
the phrase "bb3" into a field called "TheField" in the table. 

Is there a way to have a Query (or code) enter this in the correct 120
records, please, gurus?

paul

Paul Rodgers
Online Strategy and e-PR
Summit Media
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat Oct 11 08:11:06 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:11:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F971C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <0c8801c38ff9$215b8320$0200a8c0@S856>

Berichtit does play MP3
have not tried WMA however

Lembit Soobik

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  From: Erwin Craps 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:10 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?



  Does anyone know if the PlaySound API library also plays MP3/WMA files or only WAV?
  I like to use this API for reasons of speed. It plays files instantly with any load delay, which is crucial for my app.
  And for not beeing a control that needs to be installed on a pc.




  Erwin Craps

  Zaakvoerder 

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Oct 11 08:22:28 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:22:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F971C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
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Message-ID: <002501c38ffa$b7d03f20$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Bericht...how did you manage that Lembit ...I get an error if I spec anything other than a wav file?

William Hindman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lembit Soobik 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?


  it does play MP3
  have not tried WMA however

  Lembit Soobik

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    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:10 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?



    Does anyone know if the PlaySound API library also plays MP3/WMA files or only WAV?
    I like to use this API for reasons of speed. It plays files instantly with any load delay, which is crucial for my app.
    And for not beeing a control that needs to be installed on a pc.




    Erwin Craps

    Zaakvoerder 

    www.ithelps.be/jonathan



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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Sat Oct 11 10:33:34 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:33:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Format Field
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0025@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I am having problems with a formatted field. The FailureReportNo is a number
field.
 
On a search form, I want to double-click on the failure report number and
open another form that contains all the failure data.
 
On the search form I have the FailureReportNo with the Control Source:
=Format([FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
 
On the double-click of the FailureReportNo I have:
 
    stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
Me![FailureReportNo]
    DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
    DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmFind"
 
The problem is the search form FailureReportNo field contains #Error & if I
double click on the field (to test it anyway) I get Type Mismatch. Do I have
my quotes wrong?
 
Virginia
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Sat Oct 11 10:47:35 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:47:35 -0500
Subject: FW: Out of Office AutoReply: [AccessD] Format Field
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0026@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Alright this makes the second Out of Office message today....
 
May need to remind everyone again to unsubscribe temporarily when the are
out.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Anderson, Katherine [mailto:kanderson at Lathropgage.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 10:46 AM
To: Hollis,Virginia
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [AccessD] Format Field



I am out of the office on Thursday October 9th --Monday October 21st. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 11 13:13:54 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:13:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
In-Reply-To: <1843120867.20031011110659@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEGCCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

<rant mode on>
Eight months ago, I was brought into a project that required English and
Japanese. In addition to this the client had kindly bought a full shopping
cart and affiliate program written in Perl. My job was simply to design the
graphical front-end for a web site. The front end was fairly simple but
attention had to be paid to the back-end.

We had difficulty getting the ISP to upgrade to Perl version 5.x, so that it
would recognize encoding. The package was finally completed but for one
outstanding set of issues. The designer of the Perl code did not use a SQL
back-end but some kind of flat-base filing system. English worked fine but
there was no way I could get the Japanese to work, period. None of the Perl
sorting or importing routines worked right, not without a complete re-write.

The current project is now on hold. We did finally move the project to a PHP
and SQL back-end arrangement. No-one I know can get the thing resurrected,
it is so far over budget and I am simply out of time and patience.

In the future, when someone comes to me with a UTF-8 project the price will
be triple and that will be after I have under gone a complete mental
examination.
<rant mode off>

...and that is my two cents worth.
Jim

PS That is a great article/site on Unicode and character sets. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets


Hi all

Joel Spolsky has some comments on PHP, internationalization, Unicode
and character sets.

/gustav

---

From: Joel On Software <fogcreek at whatcounts.com>
Date: Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:47:53 AM
Subject: [JoelOnSoftware] Unicode and Character Sets

When I discovered that the popular web development tool PHP
has almost complete ignorance of character encoding issues,
blithely using 8 bits for characters, making it darn near
impossible to develop good international web applications,
I thought, enough is enough.

So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer
working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters,
character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm
going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in
a submarine. I swear I will.

 The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
 Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and
 Character Sets (No Excuses!)

 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

Joel Spolsky
spolsky at fogcreek.com

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Oct 11 17:42:46 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:42:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Format Field
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0025@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3F891406.2581.DB07E@localhost>

On 11 Oct 2003 at 10:33, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> I am having problems with a formatted field. The FailureReportNo is a number
> field.
>  
> On a search form, I want to double-click on the failure report number and
> open another form that contains all the failure data.
>  
> On the search form I have the FailureReportNo with the Control Source:
> =Format([FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
>  
> On the double-click of the FailureReportNo I have:
>  
>     stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
> Me![FailureReportNo]
>     DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
>     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmFind"
>  
> The problem is the search form FailureReportNo field contains #Error & if I
> double click on the field (to test it anyway) I get Type Mismatch. Do I have
> my quotes wrong?
>  

My guess:
You created the textbox by dragggin it from the FieldView window andf 
then change dthe control source afterwards. 

As a result, you have the textbox named "FailureReportNo" and are 
using the field "FailureReportNo" in a function as the control source 
(causing a circular reference)

When you double click, it use the textbox name 
(Me![FailuyreReportNo]) to build the string stLinkCriteria which 
becomes "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=EF-1234"

Either - rename the textbox to txtFailureReportNo
or - reset the control source to  a simple "FailureReportNo" and 
format it using the format property of the textbox.


 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Oct 11 22:55:51 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:55:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227314@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, thanks for the offer, I'll let my client know.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


Drew

as william says

How many tables
Whats the data like
What is the data
Lot of  dates there
How "valid" is the data

etc etc

I found again as William says its either simple and things go well or you
end up with one or two manual changes to make.

If I can see the mdb I will give you my price for it and you can take it
from there at whatever rate u charge.


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> ...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
> structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
> ...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
> full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain
> to
> > my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> > before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
> > problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to
come
> > in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
> > looking for industry standard pricing.....
> >
> > Make sense?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Reid
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> > Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> >
> > > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> > to a
> > > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> > > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> > dumping
> > into
> > > SQL Server.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Oct 11 23:23:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:23:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227318@main2.marlow.com>

What address should I send it too, it's about a meg, zipped.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


Drew

as william says

How many tables
Whats the data like
What is the data
Lot of  dates there
How "valid" is the data

etc etc

I found again as William says its either simple and things go well or you
end up with one or two manual changes to make.

If I can see the mdb I will give you my price for it and you can take it
from there at whatever rate u charge.


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> ...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
> structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
> ...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
> full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least explain
> to
> > my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> > before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't a
> > problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to
come
> > in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I am
> > looking for industry standard pricing.....
> >
> > Make sense?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Reid
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> > Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> >
> > > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> > to a
> > > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm just
> > > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> > dumping
> > into
> > > SQL Server.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Drew
> > > _______________________________________________
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Oct 12 00:47:52 2003
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:47:52 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEGCCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00c401c39084$62ae51a0$0100a8c0@kost36>

HI Jim,
I am very happy hearing someone to describe a problem that I had some months
ago....
The difference between us was that I tried hardly  to do the same for a
client in both Greek and Arabic....
I will never again take any job like this....

Be well
Kostas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets


> Hi Gustav:
>
> <rant mode on>
> Eight months ago, I was brought into a project that required English and
> Japanese. In addition to this the client had kindly bought a full shopping
> cart and affiliate program written in Perl. My job was simply to design
the
> graphical front-end for a web site. The front end was fairly simple but
> attention had to be paid to the back-end.
>
> We had difficulty getting the ISP to upgrade to Perl version 5.x, so that
it
> would recognize encoding. The package was finally completed but for one
> outstanding set of issues. The designer of the Perl code did not use a SQL
> back-end but some kind of flat-base filing system. English worked fine but
> there was no way I could get the Japanese to work, period. None of the
Perl
> sorting or importing routines worked right, not without a complete
re-write.
>
> The current project is now on hold. We did finally move the project to a
PHP
> and SQL back-end arrangement. No-one I know can get the thing resurrected,
> it is so far over budget and I am simply out of time and patience.
>
> In the future, when someone comes to me with a UTF-8 project the price
will
> be triple and that will be after I have under gone a complete mental
> examination.
> <rant mode off>
>
> ...and that is my two cents worth.
> Jim
>
> PS That is a great article/site on Unicode and character sets. :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Joel Spolsky has some comments on PHP, internationalization, Unicode
> and character sets.
>
> /gustav
>
> ---
>
> From: Joel On Software <fogcreek at whatcounts.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:47:53 AM
> Subject: [JoelOnSoftware] Unicode and Character Sets
>
> When I discovered that the popular web development tool PHP
> has almost complete ignorance of character encoding issues,
> blithely using 8 bits for characters, making it darn near
> impossible to develop good international web applications,
> I thought, enough is enough.
>
> So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer
> working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters,
> character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm
> going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in
> a submarine. I swear I will.
>
>  The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
>  Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and
>  Character Sets (No Excuses!)
>
>  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
>
> Joel Spolsky
> spolsky at fogcreek.com
>
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>



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 12 03:11:46 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:11:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Retrieval of picture from an html page (solved)
In-Reply-To: <3B5C70B0.AF287C2C@cactus.dk>
References: <3B5C70B0.AF287C2C@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1165582286.20031012101146@cactus.dk>

Well, looks like I never posted the solution I found.

1. Add a reference to MSInet.ocx.
2. Create a form.
3. Add the ActiveX control MSInet.ocx to this form.
4. Add a button or something else to run this function:

<code>

Public Function RetrieveURLfile( _
  ByVal strURLFile As String, _
  ByVal strFilename As String) _
  As Boolean

' Example:
'
'   strURLFile: "http://www.somedomain.com/files/myfile.zip"
'   strFilename: "c:\myfiles\myfile.zip"

  Const clngTimeout As Long = 30

  Dim ctlInet?????? As Control
  Dim abytFile()??? As Byte
  Dim intFreeFile?? As Integer

  If Len(strURLFile) = 0 Or Len(strFilename) = 0 Then
    ' Nothing to do.
  Else
    ' Retrieve file.
    Set ctlInet = Me!axctlInet
    intFreeFile = FreeFile

    With ctlInet
      .RequestTimeout = clngTimeout
      .Protocol = icHTTP
      .URL = strURLFile
      abytFile() = .OpenURL(, icByteArray)
    End With

    Open strFilename For Binary Access Write As #intFreeFile
    Put #intFreeFile, , abytFile()
    Close #intFreeFile

    Set ctlInet = Nothing

    RetrieveURLfile = True

  End If

End Function

</code>


How should I retrieve one specific jpg file from an html page?

The file name is always the same but the picture (file) is updated
frequently. The task is to download the file automatically and (that's
the easy part) save it using a different name built from the date
information.

I imagine using a form with a timer event to initiate a download and
add an entry in a log table.
But how do I "connect" to the page?


From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 12 06:48:13 2003
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:48:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Retrieval of picture from an html page (solved)
References: <3B5C70B0.AF287C2C@cactus.dk>
	<1165582286.20031012101146@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE208u4xIt1Ytx00001cc4@hotmail.com>

...hah! ...it works! ...another useful bit of code that goes into my stash
...thanks for posting it :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Retrieval of picture from an html page (solved)


> Well, looks like I never posted the solution I found.
>
> 1. Add a reference to MSInet.ocx.
> 2. Create a form.
> 3. Add the ActiveX control MSInet.ocx to this form.
> 4. Add a button or something else to run this function:
>
> <code>
>
> Public Function RetrieveURLfile( _
>   ByVal strURLFile As String, _
>   ByVal strFilename As String) _
>   As Boolean
>
> ' Example:
> '
> '   strURLFile: "http://www.somedomain.com/files/myfile.zip"
> '   strFilename: "c:\myfiles\myfile.zip"
>
>   Const clngTimeout As Long = 30
>
>   Dim ctlInet As Control
>   Dim abytFile() As Byte
>   Dim intFreeFile As Integer
>
>   If Len(strURLFile) = 0 Or Len(strFilename) = 0 Then
>     ' Nothing to do.
>   Else
>     ' Retrieve file.
>     Set ctlInet = Me!axctlInet
>     intFreeFile = FreeFile
>
>     With ctlInet
>       .RequestTimeout = clngTimeout
>       .Protocol = icHTTP
>       .URL = strURLFile
>       abytFile() = .OpenURL(, icByteArray)
>     End With
>
>     Open strFilename For Binary Access Write As #intFreeFile
>     Put #intFreeFile, , abytFile()
>     Close #intFreeFile
>
>     Set ctlInet = Nothing
>
>     RetrieveURLfile = True
>
>   End If
>
> End Function
>
> </code>
>
>
> How should I retrieve one specific jpg file from an html page?
>
> The file name is always the same but the picture (file) is updated
> frequently. The task is to download the file automatically and (that's
> the easy part) save it using a different name built from the date
> information.
>
> I imagine using a form with a timer event to initiate a download and
> add an entry in a log table.
> But how do I "connect" to the page?
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From caa at highway.com.br  Sun Oct 12 10:01:18 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:01:18 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
In-Reply-To: <000d01c38fa7$17126de0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <oprwuzb4sceuy8y3@localhost>
	<000d01c38fa7$17126de0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <oprwxqogiweuy8y3@localhost>

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:23:50 -0400, William Hindman 
<wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> ...just a wag ...bmp is the native Access graphic filter ...the jpg 
> graphic
> filter is installed with the other office components and not native to
> Access ...thus trying to use the O97 jpg filter with A2K may be a 
> problem.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Alberto Alves" 
> <caa at highway.com.br>
> To: "AccessD List" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:15 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Exporting a Graph Object
>
>
>> Dear Mates:
>> I?d like to have your opinion on this matter. An app of mine has a form
>> with a graph object based on a query. End-users want to export this 
>> graph
>> in order to use it in a PowerPoint slide; so it might be exported as 
>> .BMP,
>> .JPG, .GIF or .WMF. I tried the code below in a cmdbutton?
>>
>> Dim objGraph as object
>> Set objGraph = Me![Graph_Name].object
>> ObjGraph.Export ?c:\temp\Graph_Name.JPG?
>> ?objGraph.Action = acOLECopy
>> Set objGraph = Nothing
>>
>> Appropriate reference to MS Graph 9 has been set.
>> The Export method worked fine and the graph was correctly exported. The
>> Action method didn?t work at all. My real problem is that both methods
>> generate an error msg stating ?OLE server must be re-installed? and 
>> Access
>> itself crashed. Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I found one (sometimes two or three)
>> instances (processes?) ?Graph9? still opened. Another important
>> consideration is that end-users will work with Access 2000 but other
>> components of Office 97.

Hi William!
I tried that code using .BMP as file format, but i have got same error 
message.
:(
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 12 10:18:33 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:18:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Software entrepreneur prevails against ex-client 
Message-ID: <004001c390d4$19de2040$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

FYI - 

http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/sun/business/news_1b12verdict.html

Although the article is unclear about some of the legal details, there appears to have been no contract.  And in the absence of a contract, if I understand the law correctly, ownership the work product stays with the developer.

I personally have never had to sign a contract with a client specifying that ownership of the software I develop belongs to the client.


Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Oct 12 11:50:53 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:50:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227318@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000901c390e1$00fd56b0$5b0b6351@martin1>

Send it to mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

Of put it on the web and I can download it from work in the morning. That
would be the best way.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?


> What address should I send it too, it's about a meg, zipped.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> Drew
>
> as william says
>
> How many tables
> Whats the data like
> What is the data
> Lot of  dates there
> How "valid" is the data
>
> etc etc
>
> I found again as William says its either simple and things go well or you
> end up with one or two manual changes to make.
>
> If I can see the mdb I will give you my price for it and you can take it
> from there at whatever rate u charge.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
>
>
> > ...how can we ballpark it when we have no idea what the data or data
> > structures are? ...some things migrate quite easily ...others not at all
> > ...you know this already ...it sounds like you are not intending to do a
> > full migration which begs the question of why do it at all? :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> >
> >
> > > I need to clarify then.  I AM going to do it myself, or at least
explain
> > to
> > > my client how to do it.  The issue is that neither of us have done it
> > > before, so not only do I have to figure out how to do it, which isn't
a
> > > problem, but my client needs to bill his client, and we don't want to
> come
> > > in to high, and most definitely don't want to come in too low.  So I
am
> > > looking for industry standard pricing.....
> > >
> > > Make sense?
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Reid
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Sent: 10/10/03 3:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> > >
> > > Do it yourself Drew. How complex is the structure and how much data.
> > >
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving '"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:56 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Migrating to SQL Server?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Have an Access 2000 .mdb BE, that a client of a client wants to move
> > > to a
> > > > SQL Server.  It has an Access FE, and a small Web interface.  I'm
just
> > > > looking for ball park costs to just do the table setup and data
> > > dumping
> > > into
> > > > SQL Server.
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Oct 12 15:24:50 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:24:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
Message-ID: <000001c390fe$eb88cd50$6501a8c0@rock>

When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Oct 12 15:06:14 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:06:14 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <200310102109.h9AL9ae07563@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031013085855.00b37e30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

What is involved with this?  Do the users need to do any setting up?  If so 
then it is probably a no-go.  The client wants as little work as possible 
for the users.  Any installation of software would need to be so simple my 
95 yr old grand mother could do it (and she has never even touched a 
computer before in her life).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Why not simply use MS Terminal Services!
>Rudolf F. Vanek
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2003 12:49 p.m.
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>
>Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
>wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
>situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
>access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple for
>them).
>
>David
>
>At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> >a large application into it and can fill you
> >in on some of the things to look for.
> >
> >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Message-ID:
> >>         <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >>Just a little remark.
> >>
> >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> >>access from local and internet network.
> >>
> >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> >>complexity developing apps).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Erwin Craps


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Oct 12 15:09:53 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:09:53 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
In-Reply-To: <OFC94D8447.4D460423-ON05256DBB.007311D4@parkcenter.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031013090816.01b7faa0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

That may be an option however it seems to involve setting up software on 
the users machines.  The client wants as little work as possible for the 
users.  Any installation of software would need to be so simple my 95 yr 
old grand mother could do it (and she has never even touched a computer 
before in her life).

David

At 10/10/2003, you wrote:

>Haven't seen the whole thread, but is Citrix an option here?    Works 
>beautifully for us.
>
>
>
>
>David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>10/10/2003 03:33 PM
>Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>
>         To:        Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
>
>
>What are the reporting problems?  The primary purpose of the application is
>to generate the reports.  The idea is to enter the data via a web interface
>but print out the reports on the users printer.
>
>David
>
>
>At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Use .net for the Front end. get a copy of either Visual Studio .NET or
> >Dreamweaver .NET and jump in. Its not that bad. The only concern I would
> >have with your system would be the reporting side of things but there is
> >software available whcih installed on an IIS server will allow you to run
> >Access reports almost as is via the web.
> >
> >If you need anymore information email me.
> >
> >Martin
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:49 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> >
> >
> > > Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> > > wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> > > situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
> > > access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it 
> simple for
> > > them).
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > > >
> > > >Robert
> > > >
> > > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > > >
> > > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >>Message-ID:
> > > >>
> ><DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > > >>
> > > >>Just a little remark.
> > > >>
> > > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> > > >>access from local and internet network.
> > > >>
> > > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > > >>complexity developing apps).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Erwin Craps
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sun Oct 12 15:32:33 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:32:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
References: 	<DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F971C@stekelbes.ithelps.local><0c8801c38ff9$215b8320$0200a8c0@S856>
	<002501c38ffa$b7d03f20$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <0e0001c390ff$fda42880$0200a8c0@S856>

Berichthmmmm... I did not realize there is a problem. I will dig into the code tomorrow and let you all know. it is a pretty old db and I have since modified that part, but I rmember Playsound to work with mp3 as well as wav. too late today.
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 3:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?


  ...how did you manage that Lembit ...I get an error if I spec anything other than a wav file?

  William Hindman
  <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lembit Soobik 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?


    it does play MP3
    have not tried WMA however

    Lembit Soobik

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Erwin Craps 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:10 AM
      Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?



      Does anyone know if the PlaySound API library also plays MP3/WMA files or only WAV?
      I like to use this API for reasons of speed. It plays files instantly with any load delay, which is crucial for my app.
      And for not beeing a control that needs to be installed on a pc.




      Erwin Craps

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 12 15:44:56 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:44:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031011074623.00b33a50@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031013085855.00b37e30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000901c39101$b25eadd0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...if your client has IE 5 or better its a very simple dl and auto
install/config ...you can dl the Citrix client from the Citrix site and test
it yourself against a live demo db ...the same goes for TS although as with
anything MS, its not quite as straight forward ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project (Partner wanted)


> What is involved with this?  Do the users need to do any setting up?  If
so
> then it is probably a no-go.  The client wants as little work as possible
> for the users.  Any installation of software would need to be so simple my
> 95 yr old grand mother could do it (and she has never even touched a
> computer before in her life).
>
> David
>
> At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Why not simply use MS Terminal Services!
> >Rudolf F. Vanek
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
> >Sent: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2003 12:49 p.m.
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >
> >Correct me if I am wrong, but if they are using an ADP then the program
> >wouldn't be run via Internet Explorer but using Access.  We want the
> >situation where users don't need to do anything on their own machines but
> >access the program via web pages (no user setting up - keeps it simple
for
> >them).
> >
> >David
> >
> >At 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >Not if they use an ADP for the front-end.
> > >It will connect to any SQL Server.
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >P.S.  David, if you are going to use an
> > >ADP, let me know if you need any help with
> > >it.  I am in the final stages of converting
> > >a large application into it and can fill you
> > >in on some of the things to look for.
> > >
> > >At 08:49 AM 10/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:16 +0200
> > >>From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project (Partner wanted)
> > >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >>Message-ID:
> > >>
<DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9735 at stekelbes.ithelps.local>
> > >>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
> > >>
> > >>Just a little remark.
> > >>
> > >>If your customer is still gonna use the access front end, your web
> > >>server gonna need to be located at the customers site for simultaneous
> > >>access from local and internet network.
> > >>
> > >>Unless you use synchronisation techniques (which I don't like due to
> > >>complexity developing apps).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Erwin Craps
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From cclenright at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 16:09:44 2003
From: cclenright at yahoo.com (Chris Enright)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour - Why Men lie...
In-Reply-To: <20030920160313.51945.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031012210944.35905.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>



One day, while a woodcutter was cutting a branch off a tree above a river, his axe fell into the river. 

When he cried out, the Lord appeared and asked, ?Why are you crying?" The woodcutter replied that his axe has fallen into water, and he needed the axe to make his living.

The Lord went down into the water and reappeared with a golden axe. "Is this your axe?" the Lord asked. The woodcutter replied, "No." The Lord again went down and came up with a silver axe. ?Is this your axe?" the Lord asked. Again, the woodcutter replied, "No." The Lord went down again and came up with an iron axe. ?Is this your axe?" the Lord asked. The woodcutter replied, "Yes."

The Lord was pleased with the man's honesty and gave him all three axes to keep, and the woodcutter went home happy. Some time later the woodcutter was walking with his wife along the riverbank, and his wife fell into the river.

When he cried out, the Lord again appeared and asked him, "Why are you crying?"

"Oh Lord, my wife has fallen into the water!" The Lord went down into the water and came up with Jennifer Lopez. "Is this your wife?" the Lord asked. "Yes," cried the woodcutter. The Lord was furious. "You lied! That is an untruth!" 

The woodcutter replied, "Oh, forgive me, my Lord. It is a misunderstanding. You see, if I had said 'no' to Jennifer Lopez, You would have come up with Catherine Zeta-Jones. Then if I also said 'no' to her, you would have come up with my wife. Had I then said 'yes,' you would have given me all three. Lord, I am a poor man, and am not able to take care of all three wives, so THAT'S why I said yes to Jennifer Lopez." 
The moral of this story is: Whenever a man lies, it is for a good and honorable reason, and for the benefit of others.

That's our story, and we're sticking to it!


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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Oct 12 16:10:32 2003
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:10:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
In-Reply-To: <000001c390fe$eb88cd50$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEAEGCCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>

Usually the reason we use a function is to return a value. 
So
 X = myFunc("StrParm", intParm)
is the way to do so. Where x is the value returned by the function.

Bob Heygood




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 1:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question


When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 12 17:33:07 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:33:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
In-Reply-To: <00c401c39084$62ae51a0$0100a8c0@kost36>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEGICOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kostas:

It is good to hear that I am not the only one 'caught' by this issue. As the
world becomes more connected, individuals that have been able to master
systems in multiple language and not just the extended ASCII versions, will
become in higher demand. Unfortunately there are no books (that I am aware
of) and very few people who have either the time or deep-enough-pockets to
become skilled in this converging art form.

Is anyone out there that is a UTF-8 expert? ...there is plenty of
opportunities to pick the ball on new and abandoned projects.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 10:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets


HI Jim,
I am very happy hearing someone to describe a problem that I had some months
ago....
The difference between us was that I tried hardly  to do the same for a
client in both Greek and Arabic....
I will never again take any job like this....

Be well
Kostas

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets


> Hi Gustav:
>
> <rant mode on>
> Eight months ago, I was brought into a project that required English and
> Japanese. In addition to this the client had kindly bought a full shopping
> cart and affiliate program written in Perl. My job was simply to design
the
> graphical front-end for a web site. The front end was fairly simple but
> attention had to be paid to the back-end.
>
> We had difficulty getting the ISP to upgrade to Perl version 5.x, so that
it
> would recognize encoding. The package was finally completed but for one
> outstanding set of issues. The designer of the Perl code did not use a SQL
> back-end but some kind of flat-base filing system. English worked fine but
> there was no way I could get the Japanese to work, period. None of the
Perl
> sorting or importing routines worked right, not without a complete
re-write.
>
> The current project is now on hold. We did finally move the project to a
PHP
> and SQL back-end arrangement. No-one I know can get the thing resurrected,
> it is so far over budget and I am simply out of time and patience.
>
> In the future, when someone comes to me with a UTF-8 project the price
will
> be triple and that will be after I have under gone a complete mental
> examination.
> <rant mode off>
>
> ...and that is my two cents worth.
> Jim
>
> PS That is a great article/site on Unicode and character sets. :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Internationalization, Unicode and Character Sets
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Joel Spolsky has some comments on PHP, internationalization, Unicode
> and character sets.
>
> /gustav
>
> ---
>
> From: Joel On Software <fogcreek at whatcounts.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:47:53 AM
> Subject: [JoelOnSoftware] Unicode and Character Sets
>
> When I discovered that the popular web development tool PHP
> has almost complete ignorance of character encoding issues,
> blithely using 8 bits for characters, making it darn near
> impossible to develop good international web applications,
> I thought, enough is enough.
>
> So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer
> working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters,
> character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm
> going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in
> a submarine. I swear I will.
>
>  The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
>  Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and
>  Character Sets (No Excuses!)
>
>  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
>
> Joel Spolsky
> spolsky at fogcreek.com
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct 13 01:16:49 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:16:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F974D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

The Windows Media player control plays MP3/WMA , but I stoppped using
that because I had some delay on it (using .WAV).
This when loading the file.
 
Erwin

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	Verzonden: zondag 12 oktober 2003 22:33
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
	
	
	hmmmm... I did not realize there is a problem. I will dig into
the code tomorrow and let you all know. it is a pretty old db and I have
since modified that part, but I rmember Playsound to work with mp3 as
well as wav. too late today.
	Lembit
	 
	Lembit Soobik
	

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		To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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		Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 3:22 PM
		Subject: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA
to?

		...how did you manage that Lembit ...I get an error if I
spec anything other than a wav file?
		 
		William Hindman
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in your lifetime?
		 
		 

			----- Original Message ----- 
			From: Lembit Soobik
<mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>  
			To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
			Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:11 AM
			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays
MP3/WMA to?

			it does play MP3
			have not tried WMA however
			 
			Lembit Soobik
			

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				To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
				Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:10
AM
				Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound
plays MP3/WMA to?

				 
				Does anyone know if the PlaySound API
library also plays MP3/WMA files or only WAV?
				I like to use this API for reasons of
speed. It plays files instantly with any load delay, which is crucial
for my app.
				And for not beeing a control that needs
to be installed on a pc.
				 
				 

				 

				Erwin Craps

				Zaakvoerder 

				www.ithelps.be/jonathan

				 

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct 13 01:33:21 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:33:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B0D5@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Here it is Arthr.
 Case conCmdRunCode
 If Nz(rst!Options) <> "" Then
    If InStr(1, rst!Options, ",") Then
            varResult = Application.Run(rst![Argument],
Mid(Nz(rst!Options), 1, InStr(1, rst!Options, ",") - 1),
Mid(Nz(rst!Options), InStr(1, rst!Options, ",") + 1))
        Else
            varResult = Application.Run(rst![Argument], Nz(rst!Options))
    End If
    Else
        varResult = Application.Run(rst![Argument])
End If


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Verzonden: zondag 12 oktober 2003 22:25
Aan: AccessD
Onderwerp: [AccessD] Switchboard question


When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 06:24:51 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:24:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a5353.081@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).  Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text, but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

TIA,
Cindy Spell  



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Mon Oct 13 06:32:57 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:32:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Format Field
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E002B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

No, I named the field EFRNo in the search form (where I would double-click).

I do not want to use the Format of the field because when you click in the
field the formatting disappears. Instead of EF-00011, when you click in the
field it shows 11. I want it to show the complete number with the EF-.
However, when I do use the Format of the field it works, the form displaying
all the data does open.

I am not sure what I did now... when I double click the failure number on
the search form, I get a box with EF & wanting me to enter a parameter & the
form opens blank.

I even tried adding the format to the query for the search form and using
that as the control source. EFRNo:
Format([tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")

What am I missing?

Virginia



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From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 5:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format Field


On 11 Oct 2003 at 10:33, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> I am having problems with a formatted field. The FailureReportNo is a
number
> field.
>  
> On a search form, I want to double-click on the failure report number and
> open another form that contains all the failure data.
>  
> On the search form I have the FailureReportNo with the Control Source:
> =Format([FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
>  
> On the double-click of the FailureReportNo I have:
>  
>     stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
> Me![FailureReportNo]
>     DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
>     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmFind"
>  
> The problem is the search form FailureReportNo field contains #Error & if
I
> double click on the field (to test it anyway) I get Type Mismatch. Do I
have
> my quotes wrong?
>  

My guess:
You created the textbox by dragggin it from the FieldView window andf 
then change dthe control source afterwards. 

As a result, you have the textbox named "FailureReportNo" and are 
using the field "FailureReportNo" in a function as the control source 
(causing a circular reference)

When you double click, it use the textbox name 
(Me![FailuyreReportNo]) to build the string stLinkCriteria which 
becomes "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=EF-1234"

Either - rename the textbox to txtFailureReportNo
or - reset the control source to  a simple "FailureReportNo" and 
format it using the format property of the textbox.


 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 13 06:36:46 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:36:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a5353.081@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
References: <sf8a5353.081@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <14818990256.20031013133646@cactus.dk>

Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).  Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav


From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 06:44:46 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:44:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a5803.096@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Thanks, Gustav!

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).  Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Oct 13 10:26:39 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:26:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
In-Reply-To: <AMEDIDMAFJBGBGHMOEAEAEGCCNAA.bheygood@abestsystems.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3919e$6f993e00$6501a8c0@rock>

This syntax also doesn't work within the Switchboard Manager.

A.

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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Switchboard question


Usually the reason we use a function is to return a value. 
So
 X = myFunc("StrParm", intParm)
is the way to do so. Where x is the value returned by the function.

Bob Heygood




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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 1:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question


When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 07:43:49 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:43:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 07:58:30 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:58:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a6948.080@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the change and I've been resisting....  



>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
Cynthia
If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text is a problem. You get ansers like:

1
10
11
12
2
20
200
21
3

and so on

I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Date: 13/10/03 11:54


Thanks, Gustav!

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text. The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Oct 13 08:21:43 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:21:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Learning ASP
Message-ID: <20722120.1066051303430.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

To all,
 
I would like to start getting into ASP, I have done very little HTML so really don?t know where to start.  We are going to transfer our main booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a back-end to an Intranet/Internet page.  What I am really after is a way to create a logon page that grants access via a user table, I think if someone could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. designing the logon page and connecting to the database to check the logins) I may be able to get a better understanding before we go to far.
 
Also does anyone know any good books for this, I am currently programming in VB/VBA on XP machines with a Windows 2000 server.
 
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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:21:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] OT Learning ASP
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To all,
 
I would like to start getting into ASP, I have done very little HTML so really don?t know where to start.  We are going to transfer our main booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a back-end to an Intranet/Internet page.  What I am really after is a way to create a logon page that grants access via a user table, I think if someone could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. designing the logon page and connecting to the database to check the logins) I may be able to get a better understanding before we go to far.
 
Also does anyone know any good books for this, I am currently programming in VB/VBA on XP machines with a Windows 2000 server.
 
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Mon Oct 13 08:27:35 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:27:35 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D5A@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

<My database administrator wants me to make the change>??

tell your boss he needs a new DBA <grin>



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von CYNTHIA
SPELL
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2003 14:59
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the change and I've been resisting....  



>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
Cynthia
If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text is a problem. You get ansers like:

1
10
11
12
2
20
200
21
3

and so on

I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Date: 13/10/03 11:54


Thanks, Gustav!

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text. The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct 13 08:33:50 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:33:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77AE@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

No question that numbers will sort faster than text. The CPU was designed to
handle numbers, a 32bit Long Integer is stored in a single register on the
CPU and it's value can very quickly be compare to another 32 bit long in
another register. The compare is all over in a single clock cycle at most.
With strings, each individual byte in the string has to be compared with the
corresponding byte in another string, and this process repeated for the
whole length of the strings. That involves a lot of shuffling of data around
in the cpu.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	CYNTHIA SPELL [SMTP:CSPELL at jhuccp.org]
> Sent:	Monday, October 13, 2003 7:25 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit
> number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).
> Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm
> considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links
> to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other
> places.  Is there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data
> type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice
> between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster
> than text, but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> 
> TIA,
> Cindy Spell  
> 
> 
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 08:38:31 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:38:31 -0400
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a72ac.002@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I really don't mind making changes that make sense, but I wasn't winning this one and needed some outside advice.  Thanks again!


>>> Alun.Garraway at otto.de 10/13/03 09:27AM >>>
<My database administrator wants me to make the change>??

tell your boss he needs a new DBA <grin>



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von CYNTHIA
SPELL
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2003 14:59
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the change and I've been resisting....  



>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
Cynthia
If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text is a problem. You get ansers like:

1
10
11
12
2
20
200
21
3

and so on

I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Date: 13/10/03 11:54


Thanks, Gustav!

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
Hi CYNTHIA

> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text. The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

He did.

With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
interesting tasks!

/gustav

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From gray at utah.gov  Mon Oct 13 08:44:53 2003
From: gray at utah.gov (Gary Ray)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:44:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] OT Learning ASP
Message-ID: <sf8a5800.008@gwia2.state.ut.us>

Paul,
 
There are several issues to consider before you take this step:
 
1.  Are you the only one who will be doing web development for your
company?
2.  Are there existing web sites in ASP?
3.  Are you going to try to integrate your web logon with your network
ID's?
4.  Is MS Site Server available to you?
 
My personal suggestion would be that you skip ASP and go to ASP.NET. 
There are a number of compelling reasons for this, but ultimately it
depends on what your company will support.
 
As far as ASP classic books, my favorites were the WROX ASP series. 
You can skip Beginning ASP; go straight to Professional ASP.  I believe
there was also an  ASP databases book in the series.
 
Before you but the books try www.4guysfromrolla.com - the best ASP site
on the web.  Search their site for Authentication or Authorization to
find possible answers to your specific problem.
 
Gary Ray - Application Developer
Workforce Information Systems R & D
E-Mail gray at utah.gov 

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 10/13/03 07:21AM >>>

To all, I would like to start getting into ASP, I have done very little
HTML so really don't know where to start.  We are going to transfer our
main booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a
back-end to an Intranet/Internet page.  What I am really after is a way
to create a logon page that grants access via a user table, I think if
someone could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. designing the
logon page and connecting to the database to check the logins) I may be
able to get a better understanding before we go to far. Also does anyone
know any good books for this, I am currently programming in VB/VBA on XP
machines with a Windows 2000 server. Paul Hartland
 
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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Mon Oct 13 08:40:06 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:40:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <sf8a64f2.039@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I do and why is this happening?
 
Thanks for any help you can give.
 
Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 08:58:28 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a775b.052@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

This helps me a lot.  Thanks, Lambert!

>>> Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com 10/13/03 09:33AM >>>
No question that numbers will sort faster than text. The CPU was designed to
handle numbers, a 32bit Long Integer is stored in a single register on the
CPU and it's value can very quickly be compare to another 32 bit long in
another register. The compare is all over in a single clock cycle at most.
With strings, each individual byte in the string has to be compared with the
corresponding byte in another string, and this process repeated for the
whole length of the strings. That involves a lot of shuffling of data around
in the cpu.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	CYNTHIA SPELL [SMTP:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
> Sent:	Monday, October 13, 2003 7:25 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Subject:	[AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit
> number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).
> Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm
> considering changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links
> to quite a few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other
> places.  Is there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data
> type?  I remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice
> between using a text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster
> than text, but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> 
> TIA,
> Cindy Spell  
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Oct 13 09:08:40 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:08:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] OT Learning ASP
Message-ID: <846983.1066054120036.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

Thanks, I will look into this a bit more thoroughly now




Message date : Oct 13 2003, 03:01 PM 
>From : Gary Ray 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] OT Learning ASP 






Paul,





There are several issues to consider before you take this step:





1.  Are you the only one who will be doing web development for your 
company?


2.  Are there existing web sites in ASP?


3.  Are you going to try to integrate your web logon with your network 
ID's?


4.  Is MS Site Server available to you?





My personal suggestion would be that you skip ASP and go to ASP.NET.  
There are a number of compelling reasons for this, but ultimately it depends on 
what your company will support.





As far as ASP classic books, my favorites were the WROX ASP series.  
You can skip Beginning ASP; go straight to Professional ASP.  I believe 
there was also an  ASP databases book in the series.





Before you but the books try href="http://www.4guysfromrolla.com">www.4guysfromrolla.com - the best ASP 
site on the web.  Search their site for Authentication or Authorization to 
find possible answers to your specific problem.





Gary Ray - Application Developer
Workforce Information Systems R & 
D
E-Mail gray at utah.gov

>>> 
paul.hartland at fsmail.net 10/13/03 07:21AM >>>



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booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a back-end to an 
Intranet/Internet page.  What I am 
really after is a way to create a logon page that grants access via a user 
table, I think if someone could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. 
designing the logon page and connecting to the database to check the logins) I 
may be able to get a better understanding before we go to 
far.


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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:15:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <1786887.1066054506692.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

Although I can't think how I resolved this issue in the past, I had it happen quite a few times.  What was happening was records we're being deleted thus leaving gaps in the autonumber field like so
100001
100003
and sometimes when the database was compacted, and a user tried to make a booking, it would use 100002 and would allow them to complete & save the booking, but then it would think that the next number in sequence was 100003 and get the same error as yourself.....I'll try and look how I resolved this
Paul Hartland




Message date : Oct 13 2003, 03:10 PM 
>From : Terri Jarus 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers 






My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, 
the records aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What 
should I do and why is this happening?





Thanks for any help you can give.





Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
href="mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com">jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
314-542-1902











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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 09:18:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:18:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a6948.080@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAENOELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it alone), you
might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it. There may be
something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every now nad then
this can happen :o)

JB

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> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> change and I've been resisting....
>
>
>
> >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> Cynthia
> If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> is a problem. You get ansers like:
>
> 1
> 10
> 11
> 12
> 2
> 20
> 200
> 21
> 3
>
> and so on
>
> I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> Date: 13/10/03 11:54
>
>
> Thanks, Gustav!
>
> >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> Hi CYNTHIA
>
> > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
>
> He did.
>
> With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> interesting tasks!
>
> /gustav
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Mon Oct 13 09:42:15 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.  Even if all that is true, I don't see the need to change what's there already.  And, again, the sort will be faster using a number data type.


>>> john at winhaven.net 10/13/03 10:18AM >>>
Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it alone), you
might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it. There may be
something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every now nad then
this can happen :o)

JB

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> change and I've been resisting....
>
>
>
> >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> Cynthia
> If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> is a problem. You get ansers like:
>
> 1
> 10
> 11
> 12
> 2
> 20
> 200
> 21
> 3
>
> and so on
>
> I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> Date: 13/10/03 11:54
>
>
> Thanks, Gustav!
>
> >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> Hi CYNTHIA
>
> > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
>
> He did.
>
> With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> interesting tasks!
>
> /gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 13 09:54:07 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:54:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
References: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <19130831132.20031013165407@cactus.dk>

Hi CYNTHIA

You have certainly not heard any of that from this list.

/gustav


> ..  What I've heard so far is that logic tells you that if you don't
> need to calculate, you should use text. And that a number data type
> requires additional resources in order for the field to have the
> ability to do the calculating. .. 


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Oct 13 10:14:36 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:14:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9753@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I believe thats a bug that has been solved in x or z service pack...

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
	Verzonden: maandag 13 oktober 2003 16:15
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating
Duplicate Numbers
	
	

	Although I can't think how I resolved this issue in the past, I
had it happen quite a few times.  What was happening was records we're
being deleted thus leaving gaps in the autonumber field like so

	100001

	100003

	and sometimes when the database was compacted, and a user tried
to make a booking, it would use 100002 and would allow them to complete
& save the booking, but then it would think that the next number in
sequence was 100003 and get the same error as yourself.....I'll try and
look how I resolved this

	Paul Hartland
	
	
	
	

		Message date : Oct 13 2003, 03:10 PM 
		From : Terri Jarus 
		To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Copy to : 
		Subject : [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating
Duplicate Numbers 
		
		
		
		


		My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, 
		the records aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs
to be unique.  What 
		should I do and why is this happening?

		 

		Thanks for any help you can give.

		 

		Terri Jarus
		Director, Contract Support Services
		
	
href="mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com">jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
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From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 10:27:19 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:27:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <web-6276956@rems10.cluster1.charter.net>

That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the 
old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes 
everything text unless an actual calculation must be 
performed, even when that doesn't necessarily make sense 
in context. I believe that if its a number it should be 
treated as a number unless there is a very compelling 
reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and 
probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells 
you that if the data is numeric you should use a number 
data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a 
number field needing "additional resources", especially 
for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some 
number types may take additional storage space as compared 
to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and 
that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working 
under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't 
think of a resource reason.

Ron

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
  CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
>I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is 
>that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, 
>you should use text.  And that a number data type 
>requires additional resources in order for the field to 
>have the ability to do the calculating.  

From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 13 10:32:15 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:32:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: <web-6276956@rems10.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <01dd01c3919f$7c67c970$220110ac@SUSANONE>

What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes
> everything text unless an actual calculation must be
> performed, even when that doesn't necessarily make sense
> in context. I believe that if its a number it should be
> treated as a number unless there is a very compelling
> reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate,
> >you should use text.  And that a number data type
> >requires additional resources in order for the field to
> >have the ability to do the calculating.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 10:37:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:37:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed?  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers


My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
do and why is this happening?
 
Thanks for any help you can give.
 
Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
314-542-1902

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 13 10:39:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:39:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: <web-6276956@rems10.cluster1.charter.net>
	<01dd01c3919f$7c67c970$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <00f001c391a0$226ab800$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...but postal codes are not numeric per se a la Canada, etc ...granted the
US five digit zips are but who has just a US db anymore?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> treating such an entry as a number?
>
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes
> > everything text unless an actual calculation must be
> > performed, even when that doesn't necessarily make sense
> > in context. I believe that if its a number it should be
> > treated as a number unless there is a very compelling
> > reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate,
> > >you should use text.  And that a number data type
> > >requires additional resources in order for the field to
> > >have the ability to do the calculating.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 10:45:30 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:45:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3DC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Arthur,

You can do it if you modify the structure of the Switchboard Items
table, but that means you can no longer use the Switchboard Manager
add-in to modify your switchboard in that particular database.  If you
add a Param field to the table,  you can use the following RunCode case
to make use of that parameter:

        ' Run code.
        Case conCmdRunCode
          If IsNull(rst![Param]) Then
            Application.Run rst![Argument]
          Else
            Application.Run rst![Argument], rst![Param]
          End If

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Switchboard question


This syntax also doesn't work within the Switchboard Manager.

A.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Switchboard question


Usually the reason we use a function is to return a value. 
So
 X = myFunc("StrParm", intParm)
is the way to do so. Where x is the value returned by the function.

Bob Heygood




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 1:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Switchboard question


When you call a function (that takes parameters) from the switchboard,
what's the correct syntax? I've tried:

myFunc "strParm", intParm
And 
myFunc( "StrParm", intParm )

Neither of which worked.

Normally I just write a sub and call it with no parms, but today I
decided to try something different and it isn't working as expected.

TIA,
Arthur

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 10:47:11 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access
Message-ID: <20031013154711.39275.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a request where the user has to have an image embedded within his email that he sends out using MS Access. He dose not want a linked file, but an image. 

My first choice was to use the outlook object and the .HTMLBody = blah blah blah method. However, if I use the <img> tag within the body, it shows at some destinations as an image and some as html code. I would assume this is because of the settings of the email of the receiver. 

Is there another way to programmatically embed an image into an email?



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 10:47:57 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Mon Oct 13 10:49:10 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:49:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate
	Numbers
Message-ID: <sf8a8336.055@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack I'm using?
 
Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
 
To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
 
Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
314-542-1902

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed?  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers


My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
do and why is this happening?

Thanks for any help you can give.

Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com 
314-542-1902

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 13 10:55:54 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:55:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: 	<web-6276956@rems10.cluster1.charter.net><01dd01c3919f$7c67c970$220110ac@SUSANONE>
	<00f001c391a0$226ab800$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <003e01c391a2$7f704720$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Do you think you're arguing with me? I think you're agreeing with me. :)

Susan H.


> ...but postal codes are not numeric per se a la Canada, etc ...granted the
> US five digit zips are but who has just a US db anymore?
>
> > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > treating such an entry as a number?
> >
> > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> >
> > Susan H.



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Oct 13 10:58:38 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:58:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Does API Playsound plays MP3/WMA to?
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F974D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <0e9801c391a2$e740f7f0$0200a8c0@S856>

BerichtI found that I have changed it to mci, but I remember at the beginning I had used Playsound, jsut cnnot find whether I have the old code still somewhere.
anyway, if youare interested, here is the module with MCI.
--------------------------------------------
Public Declare Function mciSendString Lib "winmm.dll" Alias "mciSendStringA" (ByVal _
    lpszCommand As String, ByVal lpszReturnString As String, ByVal cchReturnLength _
    As Long, ByVal hwndCallback As Long) As Long
Public Declare Function mciGetErrorString Lib "winmm.dll" Alias "mciGetErrorStringA" (ByVal _
    fdwError As Long, ByVal lpszErrorText As String, ByVal cchErrorText As Long) As Long

Public Function DisplayError(ByVal errcode As Long)
    ' This subroutine displays a dialog box with the text of the MCI error.  There's
    ' no reason to use the MessageBox API function; VB's MsgBox function will suffice.
    Dim errstr As String  ' MCI error message text
    Dim retval As Long    ' return value
    
    ' Get a string explaining the MCI error.
    errstr = Space(128)
    retval = mciGetErrorString(errcode, errstr, Len(errstr))
    ' Remove the terminating null and empty space at the end.
    errstr = Left(errstr, InStr(errstr, vbNullChar) - 1)
    ' Display a simple error message box.
    retval = MsgBox(errstr, vbOKOnly Or vbCritical)
End Function

Public Function lsPlayMusic(strFilePath As String) As Boolean
    ' Open the file "C:\Music\MusicPlaying.mid" for later use in the example.
    ' Give it an alias of "MusicPlaying" so we don't need to refer to the filename again.
    ' Begin playback of the MIDI file when this button is pressed.
    Dim errcode As Long  ' MCI error code
    Dim strOpen As String
    Debug.Print strFilePath
    If strFilePath <> "" Then
        strOpen = "open """ & strFilePath & """ alias MusicPlaying"
    Else
        Exit Function
    End If
    errcode = mciSendString(strOpen, "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then DisplayError errcode
    errcode = mciSendString("play MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then
        lsPlayMusic = False
        'DisplayError errcode
    Else
        lsPlayMusic = True
    End If
End Function

Public Function lsPlayMusicToEnd(strFilePath As String) As Boolean
    ' Open the file.
    ' Give it an alias of "MusicPlaying" so we don't need to refer to the filename again.
    Dim errcode As Long  ' MCI error code
    Dim strOpen As String
    If strFilePath <> "" Then
        strOpen = "open """ & strFilePath & """ alias MusicPlaying"
    Else
        Exit Function
    End If
    errcode = mciSendString(strOpen, "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then DisplayError errcode
    ' Begin playback of the file. The 'wait' keyword causes MCIsendString to return after
    ' the playback is finished
    errcode = mciSendString("play MusicPlaying wait", "", 0, 0)
    ' Stop playback of the file.
    errcode = mciSendString("stop MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
    ' Close the file.  This is important, because the
    ' driver can only work with one file at a time.  There's no need to check
    ' for an error here, since we're just closing the file.
    errcode = mciSendString("close MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then DisplayError errcode
End Function


Public Function lsStopMusic() As Boolean
    ' Stop playback of the file.
    Dim errcode As Long  ' MCI error code
    errcode = mciSendString("stop MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
    If errcode <> 0 Then
        lsStopMusic = False
        'DisplayError errcode
    Else
        lsStopMusic = True
    End If
    ' Close the file.  This is important, because the
    ' driver can only work with one file at a time.  There's no need to check
    ' for an error here, since we're just closing the file.
    errcode = mciSendString("close MusicPlaying", "", 0, 0)
End Function


Public Function lsOpenFileForMusic()
    lsOpenFileForMusic = GetFilePath(, "|mp3 Files|*.mp3|WAV Files|*.wav")
End Function

--------------------------------------------
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 


  The Windows Media player control plays MP3/WMA , but I stoppped using that because I had some delay on it (using .WAV).
  This when loading the file.

  Erwin
    hmmmm... I did not realize there is a problem. I will dig into the code tomorrow and let you all know. it is a pretty old db and I have since modified that part, but I rmember Playsound to work with mp3 as well as wav. too late today.
    Lembit

    Lembit Soobik

      ----- Original Message ----- 


      ...how did you manage that Lembit ...I get an error if I spec anything other than a wav file?

      William Hindman
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 11:02:13 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:02:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <sf8a8191.047@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMENPELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Use a number type rather than a text type if the number was used in
calculations BUT it also sorts cleaner than a text field of numbers.
1
2
3
10
20
100
200..

The native sorting of a text field containing numbers sorts it as text not
numbers:
1
10
100
2
20
200
3...

A number type does not require additional processing, a text type would.
Without getting technical :o?
When defined as a Long Integer 123,456 would be stored as one unit.
When defined as text 123,456, would be stored as six individual units that
have no idea what the next units means until combined with a function that
converts it to a number (one unit) and then processed.

If a number is actually a label and not a number then you can choose either
data type but beware of the above limitations. Also down the if the label
may include text then you must choose a text type. For instance 100a, 100b.

I generally use Long Number for items that are indicating a value and Text
for items that are identifying a value. For instance age indicates a value -
phone#s identify a value. You wouldn't add, average or multiple a set of
phone numbers but you might wish to do that with age.

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:42 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic
> tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use
> text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources
> in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
>  Even if all that is true, I don't see the need to change what's
> there already.  And, again, the sort will be faster using a
> number data type.
>
>
> >>> john at winhaven.net 10/13/03 10:18AM >>>
> Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it
> alone), you
> might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it. There may be
> something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every
> now nad then
> this can happen :o)
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> > looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> > change and I've been resisting....
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> > Cynthia
> > If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> > point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> > hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> > is a problem. You get ansers like:
> >
> > 1
> > 10
> > 11
> > 12
> > 2
> > 20
> > 200
> > 21
> > 3
> >
> > and so on
> >
> > I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > Date: 13/10/03 11:54
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Gustav!
> >
> > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> > Hi CYNTHIA
> >
> > > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> > a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> > (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> > The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> > I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> > instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> > text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> >
> > He did.
> >
> > With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> > interesting tasks!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Mon Oct 13 11:13:37 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:13:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D5885@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

Sorting is not really an issue, except for the time to sort. To sort
variable length numerical text cleanly, sort it formatted to the maximum
number of digits.  For an example, variable length serial numbers of up to
eight digits using Format(SN,"00000000") would all sort in proper numerical
order.  

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 12:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Use a number type rather than a text type if the number was used in
calculations BUT it also sorts cleaner than a text field of numbers.
1
2
3
10
20
100
200..

The native sorting of a text field containing numbers sorts it as text not
numbers:
1
10
100
2
20
200
3...

A number type does not require additional processing, a text type would.
Without getting technical :o?
When defined as a Long Integer 123,456 would be stored as one unit.
When defined as text 123,456, would be stored as six individual units that
have no idea what the next units means until combined with a function that
converts it to a number (one unit) and then processed.

If a number is actually a label and not a number then you can choose either
data type but beware of the above limitations. Also down the if the label
may include text then you must choose a text type. For instance 100a, 100b.

I generally use Long Number for items that are indicating a value and Text
for items that are identifying a value. For instance age indicates a value -
phone#s identify a value. You wouldn't add, average or multiple a set of
phone numbers but you might wish to do that with age.

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:42 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic
> tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use
> text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources
> in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
>  Even if all that is true, I don't see the need to change what's
> there already.  And, again, the sort will be faster using a
> number data type.
>
>
> >>> john at winhaven.net 10/13/03 10:18AM >>>
> Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it
> alone), you
> might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it. There may be
> something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every
> now nad then
> this can happen :o)
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> > looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> > change and I've been resisting....
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> > Cynthia
> > If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> > point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> > hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> > is a problem. You get ansers like:
> >
> > 1
> > 10
> > 11
> > 12
> > 2
> > 20
> > 200
> > 21
> > 3
> >
> > and so on
> >
> > I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave well alone.
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > Date: 13/10/03 11:54
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Gustav!
> >
> > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> > Hi CYNTHIA
> >
> > > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> > a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> > (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> > The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> > I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> > instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> > text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> >
> > He did.
> >
> > With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> > interesting tasks!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
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From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 11:20:57 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:20:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <web-21373056@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>

Whoa, whoa, wait a second! I didn't mean to imply that 
there are never cases where storing a number as text 
doesn't make sense, in fact I said exactly that in my 
message (granted, in just one line, but sheesh!). What you 
cite are "compelling reasons" to store a number as text. 
But when there is no compelling reason to store a numeric 
value as text it should be stored as a number, I believe 
that and have far fewer problems by following that 
strategy. 

Ron


On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
  "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and 
>for telephone
>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use 
>numbers for some
>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the 
>argument comes from
>in the first place, that and the old approach of 
>squeezing everything
>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage 
>bytes.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would 
>you have for
>treating such an entry as a number?
>
>I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive 
>and with us.
>
>Susan H.

From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Oct 13 11:25:02 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:25:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE07A@TAPPEEXCH01>

I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an excellent article
on Unicode and character encoding:
 
 <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html> The Absolute Minimum
Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and
Character Sets (No Excuses!)

Brett Barabash, MCP 
Tappe Construction, Co. 
Eagan, MN 
bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com 
(651) 256-6831 

"One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a
cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 11:33:51 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:33:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312373@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Consider yourself agreed with! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Whoa, whoa, wait a second! I didn't mean to imply that 
there are never cases where storing a number as text 
doesn't make sense, in fact I said exactly that in my 
message (granted, in just one line, but sheesh!). What you 
cite are "compelling reasons" to store a number as text. 
But when there is no compelling reason to store a numeric 
value as text it should be stored as a number, I believe 
that and have far fewer problems by following that 
strategy. 

Ron


On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
  "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and
>for telephone
>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use 
>numbers for some
>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the 
>argument comes from
>in the first place, that and the old approach of 
>squeezing everything
>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage 
>bytes.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would
>you have for
>treating such an entry as a number?
>
>I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive
>and with us.
>
>Susan H.
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Oct 13 12:06:26 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:06:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306488C7@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF27@ADGSERVER>

Lonnie,
I don't have an answer for you.  But if a user's e-mail is not set up to
receive HTML or RTF, then no matter what method you use, they will not be
able to see an inline image.  It would have to be an attachment.
 
Only thing that I can think of would be to have the users "opt in" to a
particular version.  That is, they could choose the HTML version with the
inline images or text with an image attachment.
 
HTH,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:47 AM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; ms_access; AccessD
solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access


 
I have a request where the user has to have an image embedded within his
email that he sends out using MS Access. He dose not want a linked file, but
an image. 

My first choice was to use the outlook object and the .HTMLBody = blah blah
blah method. However, if I use the <img> tag within the body, it shows at
some destinations as an image and some as html code. I would assume this is
because of the settings of the email of the receiver. 

Is there another way to programmatically embed an image into an email?



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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 13 12:16:57 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:16:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310131700.h9DH0Ie28779@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013121233.026b84c8@pop3.highstream.net>

List,

Simple rule...

If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.

All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
Everything will be sorted correctly.

The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
>in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
>treating such an entry as a number?
>
>I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 12:19:14 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:19:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D5885@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEMDFCAA.john@winhaven.net>

Yes, but then you have to find the longest string first and feed it to the
format function and you have the issue of leading zeros or (whatever), etc.

I realize there are many reasons to type a field one way or the other and
there are always gray areas...
therefore I'll revise my previous statement - its cleaner (and easier) to
sort your data if you first properly type your data fields. In general use a
number type for items that indicate a numeric value and a text type for
items that just happen to include numbers.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brock,
> Christian T, HRC-Alexandria
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:14 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Sorting is not really an issue, except for the time to sort. To sort
> variable length numerical text cleanly, sort it formatted to the maximum
> number of digits.  For an example, variable length serial numbers of up to
> eight digits using Format(SN,"00000000") would all sort in proper
> numerical
> order.
>
> Christian Brock
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 12:02
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Use a number type rather than a text type if the number was used in
> calculations BUT it also sorts cleaner than a text field of numbers.
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 10
> 20
> 100
> 200..
>
> The native sorting of a text field containing numbers sorts it as text not
> numbers:
> 1
> 10
> 100
> 2
> 20
> 200
> 3...
>
> A number type does not require additional processing, a text type would.
> Without getting technical :o?
> When defined as a Long Integer 123,456 would be stored as one unit.
> When defined as text 123,456, would be stored as six individual units that
> have no idea what the next units means until combined with a function that
> converts it to a number (one unit) and then processed.
>
> If a number is actually a label and not a number then you can
> choose either
> data type but beware of the above limitations. Also down the if the label
> may include text then you must choose a text type. For instance
> 100a, 100b.
>
> I generally use Long Number for items that are indicating a value and Text
> for items that are identifying a value. For instance age
> indicates a value -
> phone#s identify a value. You wouldn't add, average or multiple a set of
> phone numbers but you might wish to do that with age.
>
> HTH
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of CYNTHIA SPELL
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:42 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic
> > tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use
> > text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources
> > in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
> >  Even if all that is true, I don't see the need to change what's
> > there already.  And, again, the sort will be faster using a
> > number data type.
> >
> >
> > >>> john at winhaven.net 10/13/03 10:18AM >>>
> > Although I agree with all of the comments made so far (leave it
> > alone), you
> > might want to get the reason the DBA wants you to change it.
> There may be
> > something going on that hasn't been revealed to you yet. Every
> > now nad then
> > this can happen :o)
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> CYNTHIA SPELL
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:58 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Andy.  Actually, you're all giving me the answer I was
> > > looking for.  My database administrator wants me to make the
> > > change and I've been resisting....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 10/13/03 08:43AM >>>
> > > Cynthia
> > > If you changed them to text and the numbers ever increased to the
> > > point where some went to an 8th digit then you'll wish you
> > > hadn't. Sorting of numbers of variable lengths when held as text
> > > is a problem. You get ansers like:
> > >
> > > 1
> > > 10
> > > 11
> > > 12
> > > 2
> > > 20
> > > 200
> > > 21
> > > 3
> > >
> > > and so on
> > >
> > > I agree with Gustav. With no good reason to do it I'd leave
> well alone.
> > > --
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --------- Original Message --------
> > > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > Date: 13/10/03 11:54
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Gustav!
> > >
> > > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 10/13/03 07:36AM >>>
> > > Hi CYNTHIA
> > >
> > > > I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being
> > > a 7-digit number. The data type for the field is currently number
> > > (long integer). Since the field requires no calculation, just
> > > > some sorting, I'm considering changing the data type to text.
> > > The budget number table links to quite a few other databases, so
> > > I'll have to change the field in other places. Is there a benefit to
> > > > or problem with using one or the other data type? I remember an
> > > instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
> > > text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text,
> > > > but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
> > >
> > > He did.
> > >
> > > With no good reason for the change, I would spend my time on more
> > > interesting tasks!
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 12:26:41 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:26:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF27@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <20031013172641.77583.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com>



Thanks Bobby, I just wanted to check any other options before replying with such.



Bobby Heid <bheid at appdevgrp.com> wrote: Lonnie,
I don't have an answer for you.  But if a user's e-mail is not set up to receive HTML or RTF, then no matter what method you use, they will not be able to see an inline image.  It would have to be an attachment.
 
Only thing that I can think of would be to have the users "opt in" to a particular version.  That is, they could choose the HTML version with the inline images or text with an image attachment.
 
HTH,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:47 AM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; ms_access; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Embed image file in email when sending from Access


I have a request where the user has to have an image embedded within his email that he sends out using MS Access. He dose not want a linked file, but an image. 

My first choice was to use the outlook object and the .HTMLBody = blah blah blah method. However, if I use the <img> tag within the body, it shows at some destinations as an image and some as html code. I would assume this is because of the settings of the email of the receiver. 

Is there another way to programmatically embed an image into an email?



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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 13:06:07 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:06:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013121233.026b84c8@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEOBELAA.john@winhaven.net>

How do you indicate to pad with a space(s) in Format()?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
> Stewart
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:17 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> Simple rule...
> 
> If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
> except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.
> 
> All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
> if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
> properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
> Everything will be sorted correctly.
> 
> The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
> the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.
> 
> Robert
> 
> At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
> >From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID:
> >         
> <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> >numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> >kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> >in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> >into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> >
> >Charlotte Foust
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> >What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> >treating such an entry as a number?
> >
> >I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> >
> >Susan H.
> >
> >
> > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > think of a resource reason.
> > >
> > > Ron
> 
> 
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> 


From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 13:16:19 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:16:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <SEA1-F44TqusAIaTDL400009899@hotmail.com>

I need to build a report that uses a table for grouping criteria.  The table 
has two fields, Area and CenterRange.  So, Area might be ESKIND LIBRARY and 
the CenterRange is between "108694*" and "108699*".  I need my report to 
Group by each area and use the CenterRange as the criteria. I'm using a 
DLookup but everything I'm trying fails.  Can someone give me a direction on 
this?

Thanks,
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct 13 13:23:31 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:23:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77BF@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Format *always* pads with one space, to get more just include spaces in the
format string, thus...

format(2,"0") will display (without the quotes) " 2"
format(2," 0") will display "  2"

if you don't want any padding use Cstr instead of Format.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John B. [SMTP:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent:	Monday, October 13, 2003 2:06 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> 
> How do you indicate to pad with a space(s) in Format()?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
> > Stewart
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:17 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > Simple rule...
> > 
> > If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
> > except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.
> > 
> > All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
> > if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
> > properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
> > Everything will be sorted correctly.
> > 
> > The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
> > the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
> > >From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >         
> > <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > >Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> > >numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> > >kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > >in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > >into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > >
> > >Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > >What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > >treating such an entry as a number?
> > >
> > >I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > >
> > >Susan H.
> > >
> > >
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > 
> > 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 13 14:08:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:08:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate	Numbers
References: <sf8a8336.055@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <3F8AF822.7060106@shaw.ca>

You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL 
hell database
but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer 
and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1

So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010

Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File 
Name           Version        Size
   -----------------------------------------
   Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
   Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
   Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
   Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
   Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
   Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
   Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
   Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
   Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
   Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
   Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
   Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
   Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
   Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
   Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
   Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
   Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749

Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
of msjet40.dll directly
You can have the code if you want to update it.

 Case 9 'Access 2000
        Select Case CStr(VerNum)
        Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
        Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
        Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
        Case Else
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
        End Select
    Case Else
        VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
    End Select

NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft 
Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5 
(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).

Terri Jarus wrote:

> I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack 
> I'm using?
>  
> Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my 
> computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
>  
> To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
> new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
> field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
> users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
>  
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> 314-542-1902
>
> >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed? 
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
>
>
> My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> do and why is this happening?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> 314-542-1902
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
> it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof.
>
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>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 14:10:57 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <SEA1-F44TqusAIaTDL400009899@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031013191057.13041.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>




Use the report's Sorting and Grouping properties to do the "Grouping by Area". 

Create a query as the underlying record source for the report and set the prompts for the criteria in there like below:

Between "*" & [What is the start of the range?] & "*" AND  "*" & [What is the end of the range?] & "*" 



Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote: I need to build a report that uses a table for grouping criteria. The table 
has two fields, Area and CenterRange. So, Area might be ESKIND LIBRARY and 
the CenterRange is between "108694*" and "108699*". I need my report to 
Group by each area and use the CenterRange as the criteria. I'm using a 
DLookup but everything I'm trying fails. Can someone give me a direction on 
this?

Thanks,
Gina

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From backroad at idir.net  Mon Oct 13 14:26:02 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:26:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
Message-ID: <001901c391bf$d948bdf0$6501a8c0@Julie>

Hello all,

We'll be modifying an app built for U.S. customers to be used in other countries (primarily Europe and Australia, but possibly others as well).  I'm aware of date issues (both displayed and for SQL), currency issues, and address / phone formatting issues.

Currently considering the impact to reports... in the U.S. the standard paper size is 8.5" x 11" (letter size).  To get a sense of how many variations there are, please let me know your country and the size of standard paper used there.

Also, if you have such information at your fingertips, I'd be interested in info about window envelopes as well - not custom sizes, just the kind anyone could buy in an office supply store.

Thanks very much!

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 14:26:12 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <Sea1-F13883alUohIi600009aa2@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the solution, but I need one report that groups all of my records 
by Area, and there are 50 Areas.  Using your solution I would prompt the 
user for a particular CenterRange and the report would deliver the 
information for that Area.  I'm trying to set up the grouping in the 
report's code so I can avoid 50 queries or 50 reports/subreports.  Does that 
explain the issue more clearly?

Thanks,
Gina


Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:

Use the report's Sorting and Grouping properties to do the "Grouping by 
Area".

Create a query as the underlying record source for the report and set the 
prompts for the criteria in there like below:

Between "*" & [What is the start of the range?] & "*" AND  "*" & [What is 
the end of the range?] & "*"

Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote:
I need to build a report that uses a table for grouping criteria. The table
has two fields, Area and CenterRange. So, Area might be ESKIND LIBRARY and
the CenterRange is between "108694*" and "108699*". I need my report to
Group by each area and use the CenterRange as the criteria. I'm using a
DLookup but everything I'm trying fails. Can someone give me a direction on
this?

Thanks,
Gina

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 13 14:08:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:08:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate	Numbers
References: <sf8a8336.055@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <3F8AF822.7060106@shaw.ca>

You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL 
hell database
but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer 
and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1

So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010

Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File 
Name           Version        Size
   -----------------------------------------
   Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
   Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
   Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
   Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
   Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
   Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
   Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
   Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
   Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
   Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
   Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
   Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
   Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
   Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
   Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
   Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
   Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749

Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
of msjet40.dll directly
You can have the code if you want to update it.

 Case 9 'Access 2000
        Select Case CStr(VerNum)
        Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
        Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
        Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
        Case Else
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
        End Select
    Case Else
        VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
    End Select

NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft 
Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5 
(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).

Terri Jarus wrote:

> I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack 
> I'm using?
>  
> Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my 
> computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
>  
> To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
> new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
> field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
> users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
>  
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> 314-542-1902
>
> >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed? 
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
>
>
> My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> do and why is this happening?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> 314-542-1902
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
> it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof.
>
> Copyright 2003 AmeriNet 1nc.
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 13 14:38:04 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:38:04 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your  country?
In-Reply-To: <001901c391bf$d948bdf0$6501a8c0@Julie>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031014083337.00b3c078@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Julie,

New Zealand uses A4 size (21 cm x 29.7 cm which approx = 8.27" x 11.69').

Envelopes 22.6 cm x 11.5 cm (8.9" x 4.53")

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205

At 13/10/2003, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>We'll be modifying an app built for U.S. customers to be used in other 
>countries (primarily Europe and Australia, but possibly others as 
>well).  I'm aware of date issues (both displayed and for SQL), currency 
>issues, and address / phone formatting issues.
>
>Currently considering the impact to reports... in the U.S. the standard 
>paper size is 8.5" x 11" (letter size).  To get a sense of how many 
>variations there are, please let me know your country and the size of 
>standard paper used there.
>
>Also, if you have such information at your fingertips, I'd be interested 
>in info about window envelopes as well - not custom sizes, just the kind 
>anyone could buy in an office supply store.
>
>Thanks very much!
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Julie Schwalm
>Backroads Data
><http://www.backroadsdata.com>www.backroadsdata.com
>785-594-6807
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 14:45:51 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:45:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312377@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You'll find that most of the world (except the US) uses A4 as its
standard paper.  We offer reports formatted for legal, letter or A4.  If
they choose an A4 paper size, it applies to all reports in the
application.  Otherwise, they're allowed to switch between letter and
legal.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Backroads Data [mailto:backroad at idir.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:26 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?


Hello all,
 
We'll be modifying an app built for U.S. customers to be used in other
countries (primarily Europe and Australia, but possibly others as well).
I'm aware of date issues (both displayed and for SQL), currency issues,
and address / phone formatting issues.
 
Currently considering the impact to reports... in the U.S. the standard
paper size is 8.5" x 11" (letter size).  To get a sense of how many
variations there are, please let me know your country and the size of
standard paper used there.
 
Also, if you have such information at your fingertips, I'd be interested
in info about window envelopes as well - not custom sizes, just the kind
anyone could buy in an office supply store.
 
Thanks very much!
 
Best Regards,
 
Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807

From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 13 14:51:03 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:51:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77BF@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEOCELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks,
I couldn't (and still can't) find that anywhere in the A97 help.

Problem is if padded with spaces it doesn't sort numerically correct as it
does when padding with 0s.
Cstr sorts the same as the text field.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
> Lambert
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:24 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
>
>
> Format *always* pads with one space, to get more just include
> spaces in the
> format string, thus...
>
> format(2,"0") will display (without the quotes) " 2"
> format(2," 0") will display "  2"
>
> if you don't want any padding use Cstr instead of Format.
>
> Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	John B. [SMTP:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent:	Monday, October 13, 2003 2:06 PM
> > To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> >
> > How do you indicate to pad with a space(s) in Format()?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
> > > Stewart
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:17 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > List,
> > >
> > > Simple rule...
> > >
> > > If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
> > > except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.
> > >
> > > All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
> > > if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
> > > properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
> > > Everything will be sorted correctly.
> > >
> > > The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
> > > the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
> > > >From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > >         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Message-ID:
> > > >
> > > <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
> > > >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> > > >
> > > >Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and
> for telephone
> > > >numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use
> numbers for some
> > > >kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument
> comes from
> > > >in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > >into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > >
> > > >Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > > >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > >treating such an entry as a number?
> > > >
> > > >I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive
> and with us.
> > > >
> > > >Susan H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even
> when that
> > > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > >
> > >
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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Mon Oct 13 14:59:30 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating
	Duplicate	Numbers
Message-ID: <sf8abddc.085@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when I go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need any updates relative to Jet??
 
I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
 
 
Terri Jarus
Director, Contract Support Services
jarus at amerinet-gpo.com 
314-542-1902

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL 
hell database
but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer 
and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1 

So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010 

Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File 
Name           Version        Size
   -----------------------------------------
   Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
   Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
   Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
   Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
   Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
   Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
   Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
   Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
   Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
   Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
   Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
   Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
   Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
   Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
   Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
   Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
   Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
   Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749

Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
of msjet40.dll directly
You can have the code if you want to update it.

Case 9 'Access 2000
        Select Case CStr(VerNum)
        Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
        Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
        Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
        Case Else
            VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
        End Select
    Case Else
        VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
    End Select

NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft 
Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5 
(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).

Terri Jarus wrote:

> I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack 
> I'm using?
>  
> Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my 
> computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
>  
> To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
> new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
> field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
> users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
>  
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> 314-542-1902
>
> >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed? 
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
>
>
> My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> do and why is this happening?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com 
> 314-542-1902
>
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> intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 15:00:16 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:00:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312377@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002b01c391c4$9ee8cba0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Yea, UK's A4.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 13 October 2003 20:46
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in 
> your country?
> 
> 
> You'll find that most of the world (except the US) uses A4 as 
> its standard paper.  We offer reports formatted for legal, 
> letter or A4.  If they choose an A4 paper size, it applies to 
> all reports in the application.  Otherwise, they're allowed 
> to switch between letter and legal.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Backroads Data [mailto:backroad at idir.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
> 
> 
> Hello all,
>  
> We'll be modifying an app built for U.S. customers to be used 
> in other countries (primarily Europe and Australia, but 
> possibly others as well). I'm aware of date issues (both 
> displayed and for SQL), currency issues, and address / phone 
> formatting issues.
>  
> Currently considering the impact to reports... in the U.S. 
> the standard paper size is 8.5" x 11" (letter size).  To get 
> a sense of how many variations there are, please let me know 
> your country and the size of standard paper used there.
>  
> Also, if you have such information at your fingertips, I'd be 
> interested in info about window envelopes as well - not 
> custom sizes, just the kind anyone could buy in an office 
> supply store.
>  
> Thanks very much!
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Julie Schwalm
> Backroads Data
> www.backroadsdata.com
> 785-594-6807
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 13 15:11:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:11:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate	Numbers
References: <sf8abddc.085@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <01c001c391c6$3f5fc920$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...you have to go to the Office Update site to get the Jet updates ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Terri Jarus 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers


  So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when I go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need any updates relative to Jet??

  I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.


  Terri Jarus
  Director, Contract Support Services
  jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
  314-542-1902

  >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
  You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL 
  hell database
  but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer 
  and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers

  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1

  So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.

  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010

  Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
  The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File 
  Name           Version        Size
     -----------------------------------------
     Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
     Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
     Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
     Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
     Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
     Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
     Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
     Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
     Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
     Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
     Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
     Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
     Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
     Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
     Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
     Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
     Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
     Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
     Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749

  Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
  of msjet40.dll directly
  You can have the code if you want to update it.

  Case 9 'Access 2000
          Select Case CStr(VerNum)
          Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
              VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
          Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
              VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
          Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
              VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
          Case Else
              VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
          End Select
      Case Else
          VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
      End Select

  NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft 
  Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5 
  (SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).

  Terri Jarus wrote:

  > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack 
  > I'm using?
  >  
  > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my 
  > computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
  >  
  > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
  > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
  > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
  > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
  >  
  > Terri Jarus
  > Director, Contract Support Services
  > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
  > 314-542-1902
  >
  > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
  > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
  > autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
  > That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
  > another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
  > Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed? 
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
  > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
  > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
  > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
  >
  >
  > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
  > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
  > do and why is this happening?
  >
  > Thanks for any help you can give.
  >
  > Terri Jarus
  > Director, Contract Support Services
  > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
  > 314-542-1902
  >
  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > ---
  > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
  > intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
  > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
  > it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof.
  >
  > Copyright 2003 AmeriNet 1nc.
  >
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:31:59 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:31:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <Sea2-F21jAqodwCIfmN0001930d@hotmail.com>

You can use a database.execute "Insert Into..."  to set the autonumber field 
to the next valid autonumber or just open a table recordset and .addnew 
setting the autonumber field to the next desired number.  That should reset 
the autonumber again.  Failing that, I'd copy the table with data to a new 
table, rename the old table and the copy to the old name and change any 
required relationships as required.  When the new table is created, it 
should properly reset the autonumber again.

Hen


>From: "Terri Jarus" <jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate	Numbers
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0500
>
>So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when I 
>go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the 
>http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need any 
>updates relative to Jet??
>
>I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
>
>
>Terri Jarus
>Director, Contract Support Services
>jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
>314-542-1902
>
> >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
>You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL
>hell database
>but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer
>and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1
>
>So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010
>
>Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
>The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File
>Name           Version        Size
>    -----------------------------------------
>    Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
>    Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
>    Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
>    Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
>    Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
>    Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
>    Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
>    Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
>    Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
>    Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
>    Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
>    Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
>    Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
>    Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
>    Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
>    Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
>    Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749
>
>Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version
>of msjet40.dll directly
>You can have the code if you want to update it.
>
>Case 9 'Access 2000
>         Select Case CStr(VerNum)
>         Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
>         Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
>         Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
>         Case Else
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
>         End Select
>     Case Else
>         VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
>     End Select
>
>NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft
>Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5
>(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).
>
>Terri Jarus wrote:
>
> > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack
> > I'm using?
> >
> > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my
> > computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
> >
> > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a
> > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber
> > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the
> > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> > 314-542-1902
> >
> > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> > autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> > That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> > another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> > Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com]
> > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
> >
> >
> > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> > do and why is this happening?
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> > 314-542-1902
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> > intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they
> > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please return
> > it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof.
> >
> > Copyright 2003 AmeriNet 1nc.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > <http://www.databaseadvisors.com/>
> >
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> >
> >
>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>
>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 15:37:37 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F13883alUohIi600009aa2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031013203737.72885.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com>


That's exactly what I said. If you put the prompting criteria for the range in the query, they get prompted once. Then that record set is fed into your report where the grouping has already been pre-defined. Here in the report you an even have headers and/footers so that you may create totals, sums or any other aggregate function you desire. 
 
One query, one prompt, one report. I do it all the time.  Why do you think you need many queries?

Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote: 
Thanks for the solution, but I need one report that groups all of my records 
by Area, and there are 50 Areas. Using your solution I would prompt the 
user for a particular CenterRange and the report would deliver the 
information for that Area. I'm trying to set up the grouping in the 
report's code so I can avoid 50 queries or 50 reports/subreports. Does that 
explain the issue more clearly?

Thanks,
Gina


Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:

Use the report's Sorting and Grouping properties to do the "Grouping by 
Area".

Create a query as the underlying record source for the report and set the 
prompts for the criteria in there like below:

Between "*" & [What is the start of the range?] & "*" AND "*" & [What is 
the end of the range?] & "*"

Gina Hoopes wrote:
I need to build a report that uses a table for grouping criteria. The table
has two fields, Area and CenterRange. So, Area might be ESKIND LIBRARY and
the CenterRange is between "108694*" and "108699*". I need my report to
Group by each area and use the CenterRange as the criteria. I'm using a
DLookup but everything I'm trying fails. Can someone give me a direction on
this?

Thanks,
Gina

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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:51:35 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:51:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <Sea1-F35xzmWecm9t0C00009d1a@hotmail.com>

I can't be explaining myself properly.  My table of areas and center ranges 
is as follows:
STALLWORTH - 1080400000
CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"
and so on ...

If I am prompted for a center range and I tell it between 108100 and 108210 
I'm only going to get VCHA.  How would I get all of my areas and centers in 
the report using a parameter query?


Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:

That's exactly what I said. If you put the prompting criteria for the range 
in the query, they get prompted once. Then that record set is fed into your 
report where the grouping has already been pre-defined. Here in the report 
you an even have headers and/footers so that you may create totals, sums or 
any other aggregate function you desire.

One query, one prompt, one report. I do it all the time.  Why do you think 
you need many queries?

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 13 16:00:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:00:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating	Duplicate	Numbers
References: <sf8abddc.085@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <3F8B1262.5080108@shaw.ca>

I think from the version number you have jet sp-6
Jet sp6 is contained in win 2000 sp-3

here are the download sites for sp7
winxp Jet sp7
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6c1780c0-3f8f-4650-b6ad-11badf3f4dab&DisplayLang=en
win2000 jet sp7
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c0dbac57-806a-4536-a3ec-3166f06b1cb6&DisplayLang=en

Terri Jarus wrote:

> So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But 
> when I go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the 
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com 
> <http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/> which doesn't indicate that I 
> need any updates relative to Jet??
>  
> I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
>  
>  
> Terri Jarus
> Director, Contract Support Services
> jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> 314-542-1902
>
> >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
> You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS DLL
> hell database
> but it is not working at present. So just find dll in windows explorer
> and right double click on it to look at version properties and numbers
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1 
> <http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1>
>
> So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010
>
> Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
> The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File
> Name           Version        Size
>    -----------------------------------------
>    Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
>    Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
>    Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
>    Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
>    Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
>    Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
>    Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
>    Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
>    Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
>    Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
>    Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
>    Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
>    Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
>    Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
>    Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
>    Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
>    Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749
>
> Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version
> of msjet40.dll directly
> You can have the code if you want to update it.
>
> Case 9 'Access 2000
>         Select Case CStr(VerNum)
>         Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
>         Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
>         Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
>         Case Else
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP unknown)"
>         End Select
>     Case Else
>         VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
>     End Select
>
> NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft
> Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5
> (SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).
>
> Terri Jarus wrote:
>
> > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack
> > I'm using?
> > 
> > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on my
> > computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP only.
> > 
> > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a
> > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber
> > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the
> > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
> > 
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> > 314-542-1902
> >
> > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed for
> > autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber value.
> > That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem recently in
> > another forum but without details.  What version and service pack of
> > Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have installed?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
> >
> >
> > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What should I
> > do and why is this happening?
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> > 314-542-1902
> >
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 16:10:07 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F35xzmWecm9t0C00009d1a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031013211007.58363.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>



I'm sorry, then my question would be, "What are you prompting them for?". If your ranges to do overlap into other Area groupings, then what is the purpose of prompting for a center?


Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote: I can't be explaining myself properly. My table of areas and center ranges 
is as follows:
STALLWORTH - 1080400000
CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"
and so on ...

If I am prompted for a center range and I tell it between 108100 and 108210 
I'm only going to get VCHA. How would I get all of my areas and centers in 
the report using a parameter query?


Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:

That's exactly what I said. If you put the prompting criteria for the range 
in the query, they get prompted once. Then that record set is fed into your 
report where the grouping has already been pre-defined. Here in the report 
you an even have headers and/footers so that you may create totals, sums or 
any other aggregate function you desire.

One query, one prompt, one report. I do it all the time. Why do you think 
you need many queries?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 13 16:24:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:24:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312378@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Hen,

The create new table approach always works.   If this bug works like the
original, appending autonumbers is one of the problems--it doesn't in
fact reset the seed properly.  One of the Jet 4 service packs (I think
it was 4) broke it again after O2k SR-1 so that compacting did not reset
the autonumber to the next highest number, although I believe SP7 has
fixed that ... again.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers


You can use a database.execute "Insert Into..."  to set the autonumber
field 
to the next valid autonumber or just open a table recordset and .addnew 
setting the autonumber field to the next desired number.  That should
reset 
the autonumber again.  Failing that, I'd copy the table with data to a
new 
table, rename the old table and the copy to the old name and change any 
required relationships as required.  When the new table is created, it 
should properly reset the autonumber again.

Hen


>From: "Terri Jarus" <jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate
Numbers
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0500
>
>So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when

>I
>go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the 
>http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need
any 
>updates relative to Jet??
>
>I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
>
>
>Terri Jarus
>Director, Contract Support Services
>jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
>314-542-1902
>
> >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
>You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS 
>DLL hell database but it is not working at present. So just find dll in

>windows explorer and right double click on it to look at version 
>properties and numbers
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversio
>n/dllinfo.asp&fp=1
>
>So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010
>
>Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
>The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File
>Name           Version        Size
>    -----------------------------------------
>    Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
>    Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
>    Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
>    Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
>    Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
>    Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
>    Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
>    Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
>    Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
>    Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
>    Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
>    Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
>    Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
>    Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
>    Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
>    Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
>    Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
>    Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749
>
>Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version 
>of msjet40.dll directly You can have the code if you want to update it.
>
>Case 9 'Access 2000
>         Select Case CStr(VerNum)
>         Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
>         Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
>         Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
>         Case Else
>             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP
unknown)"
>         End Select
>     Case Else
>         VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
>     End Select
>
>NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft

>Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5
>(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).
>
>Terri Jarus wrote:
>
> > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack

> > I'm using?
> >
> > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on 
> > my computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP

> > only.
> >
> > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a 
> > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber 
> > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the 
> > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen 
> > again.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com> 314-542-1902
> >
> > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed 
> > for autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber

> > value. That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem 
> > recently in another forum but without details.  What version and 
> > service pack of Access are you using and what Jet service pack do 
> > you have installed?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
> > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
> >
> >
> > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records 
> > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What 
> > should I do and why is this happening?
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give.
> >
> > Terri Jarus
> > Director, Contract Support Services
> > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> > 314-542-1902
> >
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 16:39:49 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:39:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F25HsZM8FcleNi000196eb@hotmail.com>

If you must bring in the speed issue, the amount of time spent sorting is 
not as significant as the time taken to bring the data to the processor.  A 
2 or 3 gigahertz processor can sort an amazing number of records in a tiny 
fraction of a second, far faster than the data can be requested and 
transferred from a hard drive.  When the data is requested over a 100 
megabit LAN, the lenght of time is significantly magnified.  Add some 
traffic to the LAN and everyone using the LAN is delayed.  Now pull the data 
over a slower connection and the difference in size between numeric and 
string data types becomes more significant.  Use a slower connection and the 
time taken to transfer the data is even greater.

Some people don't realize that the number 933456123 is stored in 4 bytes as 
a long yet takes 9 bytes as a string and 18 bytes as unicode.  The string 
will take more than twice as long to retrieve given a large recordset where 
disk latency isn't the primary factor.  Twice as long for a three second 
retreival time is an extra 3 seconds.  (100 mbit LAN, 9 bits/byte avg 
throughput, 50% share of bandwidth = 5.5 million bytes per second ~ 1.4 
million long fields = ~ 700 thousand string fields ~ two billion processor 
cycles allowing about 700 processor cycles per record for sorting the number 
and 1.4 million for sorting the string)  The same size of recordset sorting 
time, even if it takes four times as long to sort a string over a numeric, 
will likely yeild a difference of .1 vs .4 seconds, a delay of 3 tenths of a 
second depending on the algorithm.  Although it only takes twice as long to 
retrieve, this makes a bigger difference than the fact that it takes perhaps 
four times as long to sort.  Another significant factor is that the index 
size of a numeric is smaller than that of a string resulting in faster LAN 
performance for any searches on the field with a resulting benefit to all 
users of that LAN.

In this day of data over distance, size still matters, even if the distance 
is only to a local hard drive.  Put that drive on a LAN or WAN or over the 
internet and it matters even more.  As processors seem to increase in speed 
at a greater rate than bandwidth does (if you discount 300 baud modems or 
audio cassette tape drives vs hard disks and ponder how long we've had 56K 
modems and 100mbit LANS), the advantage of smaller datatypes has only been 
increasing with the passage of time.

Beware the situation where a user may want to append an 'A' or a 'B' to a 
field that was spec'ed only to contain whole contain numbers, or those who 
might one day need a 'none' or 'all' selection in the table rather than 
having it unioined into a recordset.  Only when you have the absolute 
ability to constrain the data ('data' does not include formatting hyphens or 
spaces or other fixed characters) to numerical digits can you take advantage 
of the size differences between numeric and text datatypes.  On the scale 
most Access databased operate this may not seem very important but there is 
still some advantage to be gained.

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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 16:46:52 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:46:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <Sea1-F713sllNY30kkZ00009f35@hotmail.com>

Using a parameter query to prompt the user was your suggestion, never my 
thought. I just want to run a report that takes 6000 records based on center 
numbers and groups them by area based on the CenterRange field that 
corresponds to each Area.

So, I've got data like:

1080400000	44740	INC LONG-TERM INVEST	1296067	730000	1310545
1080400000	80010	EXEC ADMIN IDS TAX	8588	7635	13708
1080400000	80025	UNIV SERVICE IDS TAX	24149	14232	25551
1081750000	59203	NF FBR MED NONHOS STAFF	388	742	97
1081750000	59205	NF FBR UNIV STAFF	332	0	94
1081750000	59505	FBR AC UNIV STAFF	-172	0	76
1081000000	50100	FAC AND EXEC ADMIN	961500	867000	1021511
1081000000	50200	FACULTY	280250	55000	467763
1081000000	50400	COST SHARING FACULTY	-10482	0	0

and I want the report to put each of these in their respective Areas, based 
on the center number at the beginning.  There is no overlap between centers. 
  One center will fall in only one area.

So, my report would look like:

STALLWORTH:
1080400000	44740	INC LONG-TERM INVEST	1296067	730000	1310545
1080400000	80010	EXEC ADMIN IDS TAX	8588	7635	13708
1080400000	80025	UNIV SERVICE IDS TAX	24149	14232	25551

CHS:
1081750000	59203	NF FBR MED NONHOS STAFF	388	742	97
1081750000	59205	NF FBR UNIV STAFF	332	0	94
1081750000	59505	FBR AC UNIV STAFF	-172	0	76

VCHA:
1081000000	50100	FAC AND EXEC ADMIN	961500	867000	1021511
1081000000	50200	FACULTY	280250	55000	467763
1081000000	50400	COST SHARING FACULTY	-10482	0	0

Does that make it more clear?

Thanks,
Gina

Lonnie Johnson [prodevmg at yahoo.com] wrote:
I'm sorry, then my question would be, "What are you prompting them for?". If 
your ranges to do overlap into other Area groupings, then what is the 
purpose of prompting for a center?


Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote:
I can't be explaining myself properly. My table of areas and center ranges
is as follows:
STALLWORTH - 1080400000
CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"
and so on ...

If I am prompted for a center range and I tell it between 108100 and 108210
I'm only going to get VCHA. How would I get all of my areas and centers in
the report using a parameter query?

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From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Mon Oct 13 17:01:59 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:01:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312378@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004a01c391d5$a05236f0$6465000a@venus>

Howdy
I have had this happen a couple of times.  If you make an append query
"insert into tbl_with_problem ([id]) select Max([tbl_with_problem].[id])+1"
this resets it.  Not a long term solution, but a quick one if it's urgent.

Cheers
Selina

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Databases
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers


> Hen,
>
> The create new table approach always works.   If this bug works like the
> original, appending autonumbers is one of the problems--it doesn't in
> fact reset the seed properly.  One of the Jet 4 service packs (I think
> it was 4) broke it again after O2k SR-1 so that compacting did not reset
> the autonumber to the next highest number, although I believe SP7 has
> fixed that ... again.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate Numbers
>
>
> You can use a database.execute "Insert Into..."  to set the autonumber
> field
> to the next valid autonumber or just open a table recordset and .addnew
> setting the autonumber field to the next desired number.  That should
> reset
> the autonumber again.  Failing that, I'd copy the table with data to a
> new
> table, rename the old table and the copy to the old name and change any
> required relationships as required.  When the new table is created, it
> should properly reset the autonumber again.
>
> Hen
>
>
> >From: "Terri Jarus" <jarus at amerinet-gpo.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is CreatingDuplicate
> Numbers
> >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:59:30 -0500
> >
> >So when I look at the Version, it is msjet40.dll  4.0.6218.0.  But when
>
> >I
> >go to your link to get SP7 - I have to run the
> >http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com which doesn't indicate that I need
> any
> >updates relative to Jet??
> >
> >I'll have the network dude check it out for me.  Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> >Terri Jarus
> >Director, Contract Support Services
> >jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> >314-542-1902
> >
> > >>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 10/13/03 02:08PM >>>
> >You can check which version of jet that goes with msjet40.dll via MS
> >DLL hell database but it is not working at present. So just find dll in
>
> >windows explorer and right double click on it to look at version
> >properties and numbers
> >
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversio
> >n/dllinfo.asp&fp=1
> >
> >So just  get version SP7 below and update ;  SP4,5,6 all have glitches.
> >
> >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282010
> >
> >Files in Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7
> >The current release, Jet 4.0 SP7, contains the following files:    File
> >Name           Version        Size
> >    -----------------------------------------
> >    Dao360.dll          3.60.6508.2    561,424
> >    Expsrv.dll          6.0.72.9589    380,957
> >    Msexch40.dll        4.0.6807.0     512,272
> >    Msexcl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     319,760
> >    Msjet40.dll         4.0.7328.0     1,507,600
> >    Msjetoledb40.dll    4.0.6807.0     348,432
> >    Msjint40.dll        4.0.6508.0     151,824
> >    Msjter40.dll        4.0.6508.0     53,520
> >    Msjtes40.dll        4.0.7328.0     241,936
> >    Msltus40.dll        4.0.6508.0     213,264
> >    Mspbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
> >    Msrd2x40.dll        4.0.7328.0     422,160
> >    Msrd3x40.dll        4.0.6508.0     315,664
> >    Msrepl40.dll        4.0.6726.0     553,232
> >    Mstext40.dll        4.0.7328.0     258,320
> >    Mswdat10.dll        4.0.6508.0     831,760
> >    Mswstr10.dll        4.0.6508.0     614,672
> >    Msxbde40.dll        4.0.6726.0     348,432
> >    Vbajet32.dll        6.0.1.9431     30,749
> >
> >Some SP version numbers from some old code that I had to check version
> >of msjet40.dll directly You can have the code if you want to update it.
> >
> >Case 9 'Access 2000
> >         Select Case CStr(VerNum)
> >         Case Is = "4.0.4431.1"
> >             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP5)"
> >         Case Is = "4.0.3714.7"
> >             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP4)"
> >         Case Is = "4.00.2927.4"
> >             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000 Jet SP3)"
> >         Case Else
> >             VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with Access 2000, SP
> unknown)"
> >         End Select
> >     Case Else
> >         VerNum = VerNum & " (supplied with unknown Access version)"
> >     End Select
> >
> >NOTE: Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is included with Microsoft
>
> >Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Microsoft Jet 4.0 Service Pack 5
> >(SP5) is included with Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2).
> >
> >Terri Jarus wrote:
> >
> > > I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service pack
>
> > > I'm using?
> > >
> > > Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed on
> > > my computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP
>
> > > only.
> > >
> > > To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into a
> > > new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber
> > > field.  That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the
> > > users to put in new records.  I just don't want this to happen
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Terri Jarus
> > > Director, Contract Support Services
> > > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com> 314-542-1902
> > >
> > > >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
> > > There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the seed
> > > for autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber
>
> > > value. That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem
> > > recently in another forum but without details.  What version and
> > > service pack of Access are you using and what Jet service pack do
> > > you have installed?
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com]
> > > <mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com%5D>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate Numbers
> > >
> > >
> > > My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the records
> > > aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What
> > > should I do and why is this happening?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help you can give.
> > >
> > > Terri Jarus
> > > Director, Contract Support Services
> > > jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
> > > 314-542-1902
> > >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 13 17:14:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:14:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] OT Learning ASP
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227319@main2.marlow.com>

Here's an ASP page I developed to directly edit a particular table I had in
Access.  It wouldn't be difficult to modify this to any table.

<html>
<%
dim cnn
dim rs
dim i
dim strSQL
dim intCount
if request.Form("Submit")="Submit" then
	set cnn=server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
	set rs=server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
	cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
	cnn.Open "E:\IntranetDLL\DynCorp\Air2000_be.mdb"
	rs.Open "tblWebFields",cnn,1,3,512	
	intCount=rs.Fields.Count-1
	rs.MoveFirst
	do until rs.EOF=True
		for i=1 to intCount
			rs.Fields(i).value=request.Form(rs.Fields(0).value &
"-" & rs.Fields(i).Name)
		next
		rs.Update
		rs.MoveNext
	loop
	rs.Close
	set rs=nothing
	cnn.Close
	set cnn=nothing
end if
%>
<head>
<title>Dyncorp Field Settings</title>
</head>
<body>
<form name="FieldSettings" method=post>
<input type=submit name="Submit" value="Submit">
<table width="100%" border=1>
<%
set cnn=server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "E:\IntranetDLL\DynCorp\Air2000_be.mdb"
rs.Open "tblWebFields",cnn,1,1,512	
response.Write "<tr>" & vbcrlf
intCount=rs.Fields.Count-1
for i=1 to intCount
	response.Write "<td width=""" & 100/intCount & """>" &
rs.Fields(i).Name & "</td>" & vbcrlf
next
response.Write "</tr>" & vbcrlf
rs.MoveFirst
do until rs.EOF=True
	response.Write "<tr>" & vbcrlf
	for i=1 to intCount
		response.Write "<td width=""" & 100/intCount & """>" &
vbcrlf
		response.Write "<input type=""text"" name=""" &
rs.Fields(0).Value & "-" & rs.Fields(i).Name & """ value=""" &
rs.Fields(i).Value & """></td>" & vbcrlf
	next
	response.Write "</tr>" & vbcrlf
	rs.MoveNext
loop
rs.Close
set rs=nothing
cnn.Close
set cnn=nothing
%>
</table>
<input type=submit name="Submit" value="Submit">
</form>
</body>
</html>

Drew


-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net
To: dba-vb
Cc: accessd
Sent: 10/13/03 8:21 AM
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] OT Learning ASP

To all,

 

I would like to start getting into ASP, I have done very little HTML so
really don't know where to start.  We are going to transfer our main
booking database to SQL Server 7.0, and will be using this as a back-end
to an Intranet/Internet page.  What I am really after is a way to create
a logon page that grants access via a user table, I think if someone
could give me some sample code to do this (i.e. designing the logon page
and connecting to the database to check the logins) I may be able to get
a better understanding before we go to far.

 

Also does anyone know any good books for this, I am currently
programming in VB/VBA on XP machines with a Windows 2000 server.

 

Paul Hartland

 

 <<ATT140763.txt>>  <<ATT140764.txt>> 

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 13 17:20:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:20:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Format Field
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E002B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3F8BB1D1.32382.22DE77@localhost>

On 13 Oct 2003 at 6:32, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> No, I named the field EFRNo in the search form (where I would double-click).
> 
I presume you mean you named the textbox?

> I do not want to use the Format of the field because when you click in the
> field the formatting disappears. Instead of EF-00011, when you click in the
> field it shows 11. I want it to show the complete number with the EF-.
> However, when I do use the Format of the field it works, the form displaying
> all the data does open.
> 
That's because you are now passing the actual report number to the 
strLinkCriteria.

> I am not sure what I did now... when I double click the failure number on
> the search form, I get a box with EF & wanting me to enter a parameter & the
> form opens blank.
>
> I even tried adding the format to the query for the search form and using
> that as the control source. EFRNo:
> Format([tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
> 
> What am I missing?
> 

If the textbox contains "EF-00011", and you want to find the record 
with the Report Number 11, you need to convert the formatted data  
back to it's numeric equivalent. Make your criteria

  stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
  Val(Mid$(EFRNo],4))


> Virginia
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 5:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format Field
> 
> 
> On 11 Oct 2003 at 10:33, Hollis,Virginia wrote:
> 
> > I am having problems with a formatted field. The FailureReportNo is a
> number
> > field.
> >  
> > On a search form, I want to double-click on the failure report number and
> > open another form that contains all the failure data.
> >  
> > On the search form I have the FailureReportNo with the Control Source:
> > =Format([FailureReportNo],"""EF-""00000")
> >  
> > On the double-click of the FailureReportNo I have:
> >  
> >     stLinkCriteria = "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=" &
> > Me![FailureReportNo]
> >     DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> >     DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmFind"
> >  
> > The problem is the search form FailureReportNo field contains #Error & if
> I
> > double click on the field (to test it anyway) I get Type Mismatch. Do I
> have
> > my quotes wrong?
> >  
> 
> My guess:
> You created the textbox by dragggin it from the FieldView window andf 
> then change dthe control source afterwards. 
> 
> As a result, you have the textbox named "FailureReportNo" and are 
> using the field "FailureReportNo" in a function as the control source 
> (causing a circular reference)
> 
> When you double click, it use the textbox name 
> (Me![FailuyreReportNo]) to build the string stLinkCriteria which 
> becomes "[tblSystemMain].[FailureReportNo]=EF-1234"
> 
> Either - rename the textbox to txtFailureReportNo
> or - reset the control source to  a simple "FailureReportNo" and 
> format it using the format property of the textbox.
> 
> 
>  
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 13 17:56:53 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:56:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Export to where?
In-Reply-To: <005d0268606b$5868e280$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <3F8BBA55.16523.441FF5@localhost>

On 14 Oct 2050 at 8:26, Kath Pelletti wrote:

> In an application distributed recently, I added the standard Access
> menu option 'Export', 'Publish it with MS Word'. 
> 
> The client tells me that that option outputs the file to a network
> location and takes forever, and can the location be changed to C:\Temp
> for all machines. 
> 
> On the proviso that this is not an option that I can customise, I
> started to play with it and found that on my machine I control the
> output by nominating the folder under the Access menu [Tools]
> [Options] [General] 'Default database folder'. This is not apparently
> what my client finds - they find that it outputs to the 'last used
> folder in Word'. I have tried to test that and find that for me that
> is not the case. 
> 
> Can someone else give it a shot and let me know what you get? And is

On my Win2K with Access2K, it outputs to the folder specified in "[Options] [General] 'Default database folder".

> there a cleverer way to nominate the output folder? I would prefer a
> code option as there are multiple machines using the app. 
> 

Create your own menu option in place of the built in "Publish...".

Create a function:
Function Publish() As Long
If CurrentObjectType = acReport Then
 DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, CurrentObjectName, _
    acFormatRTF, "C:\Temp\" & CurrentObjectName & ".rtf", True
End If
End Function

Create a one line macro called Publish with an action of RunCode and 
a function of Publish()

Add the macro to your report preview toolbar.


  

 
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Support.




From michael.sweeney at hsntech.com  Tue Oct 14 00:43:45 2003
From: michael.sweeney at hsntech.com (SWEENEY Michael)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:43:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Opening MS Access db from VB
Message-ID: <03E30CF11DA2D311ACC600805F85B48B0362039F@SYNRYD01NT05>

Team,

I am trying to open an access DB from within a VB app. All i want to acheive
is to have the db open in its own right.

It would seem pretty simple but my head just cant get it....

Here is the code I used which opens access but not the the actual db.

Dim mydb as database
Dim str1 as string

str1 = "File location to the mdb"
DBEngine.DefaultUser = "Admin"
DBEngine.DefaultPassword = " "
set mydb = DBEngine.Opendatabase(str1)

I know I am missing something but cant work out what....Any help is
appreciated.






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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 02:18:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:18:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77BF@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77BF@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <1694606844.20031014091859@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

This is not correct - you must be thinking of Str() which adds a
leading place holder (space) for the sign but doesn't display a plus
sign, thus 

   2 displays as " 2"
  -2 displays as "-2"

which has the advantage of listing positive and negative numbers
nicely when using a monospaced font.

Like CStr(), Format() does not have this behaviour. You can, however,
tell Format() to act like Str() this way:

  strVal = Format(lngVal," 0;-0")

But why should you? Str() is very much faster than Format().

/gustav


> Format *always* pads with one space, to get more just include spaces in the
> format string, thus...

> format(2,"0") will display (without the quotes) " 2"
> format(2," 0") will display "  2"

> if you don't want any padding use Cstr instead of Format.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 03:00:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:00:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013121233.026b84c8@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013121233.026b84c8@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <1697098747.20031014100031@cactus.dk>

Hi Robert

With all respect I disagree. The rule should be reversed:

  If you are not going to use the number as a string,
  store it as a number.

The exceptions are only those where the numbers exceed the capacity of
your database engine, normally at least 14 digits (Jet: Currency) and
a Long Integer is always available which holds 9 digits.

Also, as several have stated, there may be some good reason for not
storing a number as a number but as a numeric string. The most common
situations are those where the place holder has a meaning. An example
is old accounting systems where longer account numbers indicate lower
levels relative to shorter account numbers:

       4        Main account
       48       Sub account of 4
       482      Sub account of 48
       8        Main account
       ...      etc.

One way to avoid strings in this case is to decide on a maximum length
for account numbers, say 6, and append traling zeroes:

       400000   Main account
       480000   Sub account of 4
       482000   Sub account of 48
       800000   Main account
       ...      etc.

Another example is something like product numbers where leading zeroes
are used but the length of the numbers varies. Such a combination
cannot be sorted by formatting with leading zeroes as you don't know
how many zeroes to add:

       00459208
       69392110
       0002918
       33981
       88470098
       0877281

However, in many countries postal codes are pure numerics and of fixed
length, so there's no reason to store a, say, four digit number as a
string when a two-byte Integer can do.

And here every company is identified for the authorities by a fixed
8-digit number like 12002696. Although it should be formatted as
12-00-26-96 I see no special reason for storing it as text.

/gustav


> Simple rule...

> If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
> except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.

> All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
> if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
> properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
> Everything will be sorted correctly.

> The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
> the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.

> Robert

> At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
>>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID:
>>         <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631236E at infoserver01.infostat.local>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
>>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
>>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
>>in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
>>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 04:13:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:13:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F713sllNY30kkZ00009f35@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea1-F713sllNY30kkZ00009f35@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5211452017.20031014111304@cactus.dk>

Hi Gina

Assuming that

  STALLWORTH - 1080400000
  CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
  VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"

should be something like this as no ranges overlap:

  STALLWORTH - 1080400000
  CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
  VCHA - between "108100*" and "108120*"

you could create a table with the specific ranges:

Center      AreaMin         AreaMax
CHS         1081750000      1081769999
STALLWORTH  1080400000      1080400000
VCHA        1081000000      1081209999
CHS         4081100000      4081199999

Then modify your report source like this (only basic fields shown):

<SQL>

  SELECT
    Area,
    Center,
    Report
  FROM
    tblCenterData,
    tblCenterRange
  WHERE
    Area Between [AreaMin] And [AreaMax];

</SQL>

Note the missing join. Also, grouping and sorting should be left out -
do that in your report.

Thus, this will be returned:

Area            Center          Report
1080400000      STALLWORTH      80025
1080400000      STALLWORTH      80010
1080400000      STALLWORTH      44740
1081000000      VCHA            50400
1081000000      VCHA            50200
1081000000      VCHA            50100
1081750000      CHS             59505
1081750000      CHS             59205
1081750000      CHS             59203

/gustav


> Using a parameter query to prompt the user was your suggestion, never my 
> thought. I just want to run a report that takes 6000 records based on center 
> numbers and groups them by area based on the CenterRange field that 
> corresponds to each Area.

> So, I've got data like:

> 1080400000      44740   INC LONG-TERM INVEST    1296067 730000  1310545
> 1080400000      80010   EXEC ADMIN IDS TAX      8588    7635    13708
> 1080400000      80025   UNIV SERVICE IDS TAX    24149   14232   25551
> 1081750000      59203   NF FBR MED NONHOS STAFF 388     742     97
> 1081750000      59205   NF FBR UNIV STAFF       332     0       94
> 1081750000      59505   FBR AC UNIV STAFF       -172    0       76
> 1081000000      50100   FAC AND EXEC ADMIN      961500  867000  1021511
> 1081000000      50200   FACULTY 280250  55000   467763
> 1081000000      50400   COST SHARING FACULTY    -10482  0       0

> and I want the report to put each of these in their respective Areas, based 
> on the center number at the beginning.  There is no overlap between centers. 
>   One center will fall in only one area.

> So, my report would look like:

> STALLWORTH:
> 1080400000      44740   INC LONG-TERM INVEST    1296067 730000  1310545
> 1080400000      80010   EXEC ADMIN IDS TAX      8588    7635    13708
> 1080400000      80025   UNIV SERVICE IDS TAX    24149   14232   25551

> CHS:
> 1081750000      59203   NF FBR MED NONHOS STAFF 388     742     97
> 1081750000      59205   NF FBR UNIV STAFF       332     0       94
> 1081750000      59505   FBR AC UNIV STAFF       -172    0       76

> VCHA:
> 1081000000      50100   FAC AND EXEC ADMIN      961500  867000  1021511
> 1081000000      50200   FACULTY 280250  55000   467763
> 1081000000      50400   COST SHARING FACULTY    -10482  0       0


> Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com> wrote:

> .. My table of areas and center ranges is as follows:

> STALLWORTH - 1080400000
> CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
> VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"

> and so on ...


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 14 05:24:59 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:24:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312377@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F8B96BB.24473.231DF5@localhost>

On 13 Oct 2003 at 12:45, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> You'll find that most of the world (except the US) uses A4 as its
> standard paper.  We offer reports formatted for legal, letter or A4. 

Canada uses Letter size as well as it's standard size.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
It was difficult to code. So it damn well better be difficult to use.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 14 05:28:42 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:28:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Opening MS Access db from VB
In-Reply-To: <03E30CF11DA2D311ACC600805F85B48B0362039F@SYNRYD01NT05>
Message-ID: <3F8B979A.16944.268246@localhost>

On 14 Oct 2003 at 15:43, SWEENEY Michael wrote:

> I am trying to open an access DB from within a VB app. All i want to
> acheive is to have the db open in its own right.
> 
> It would seem pretty simple but my head just cant get it....
> 
> Here is the code I used which opens access but not the the actual db.
> 
> Dim mydb as database
> Dim str1 as string
> 
> str1 = "File location to the mdb"
> DBEngine.DefaultUser = "Admin"
> DBEngine.DefaultPassword = " "
> set mydb = DBEngine.Opendatabase(str1)
> 
> I know I am missing something but cant work out what....Any help is
> appreciated.

Are you actually trying to open the db so you can go into Access' GUI 
and manipulate the db that way?

Or are you trying to open it to manipulate it in code?

If you are trying to do the first, I *THINK* you will need to use the 
shell command.

If you are trying for the second way, here is the DAO code we use in 
the BEU:

'Open the Workspace
Set mwks = CreateWorkspace("BEU", cstrUName, cstrPWord)
'Set Reference to BE, opened Exclusively
Set mdbBE = mwks.OpenDatabase(Me.BEPath, True, False, Me.BEPassword)

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 14 06:09:29 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:09:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: <sf8a5353.081@ccp2.jhuccp.org>
Message-ID: <026901c39243$a4d06210$6401a8c0@default>

Cynthia & All,

A client was exporting from an accounting package that
uses text keys into a 'Main' Access database.
I was to work on a db that linked the Customers table,
read-only, where the primary key was two concatenated
fields to ensure uniqueness.

Because I could not edit/update the data in the main database,
which was daily updated by the accounting package, I had
to redundantly store the data in a Local Customers table.

A combobox rowsource in this database was a union query
of 'Main' Customers and Local Customers.

Consider this combo on a subform that writes to tblDailyActivity.
The addition of new customers (not-in-list) means creating an
identity function for new data unique to the division that uses the
linked Customers table because the union query requires that the
primary keys be of the same data type (text).

Data must be written to the Local Customers table from a new
CustomerInfo form, the combobox must requery, and the
DailyActvity table will now store the data without creating
a blank row (you'd have to try it to see what I mean).

The point is that AutoNumber or Long Integer is
a far better choice of primary key if possible.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "CYNTHIA SPELL" <CSPELL at jhuccp.org>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


> I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit
number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).
Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm considering
changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a
few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is
there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data type?  I
remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text, but I'm
not so sure he knew what he was talking about.
>
> TIA,
> Cindy Spell
>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Oct 14 07:23:09 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:23:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating DuplicateNumbers
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9765@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You will need to update the SP on your users machine also...

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Terri Jarus
	Verzonden: maandag 13 oktober 2003 17:49
	Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating
DuplicateNumbers
	
	
	I'm using Access 2002 SP-2.  How do I find out what Jet service
pack I'm using?
	 
	Also, I have A97 and, if you can believe it, Access2.0 installed
on my computer in different directories.  My users are all on Access XP
only.
	 
	To fix the problem in the short term, I copied all my data into
a new table allowing the new table to autogenerate the Autonumber field.
That seems to have alleviated the problem and allowed the users to put
in new records.  I just don't want this to happen again.
	 
	Terri Jarus
	Director, Contract Support Services
	jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
	314-542-1902

	>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10/13/03 10:37AM >>>
	There was a bug in Access 2000 that did not correctly set the
seed for
	autonumbers when records were appended, including the autonumber
value.
	That was cured in SR-1.  I've heard of this same problem
recently in
	another forum but without details.  What version and service
pack of
	Access are you using and what Jet service pack do you have
installed?  
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Terri Jarus [mailto:jarus at amerinet-gpo.com] 
	Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 5:40 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] URGENT - Autonumber is Creating Duplicate
Numbers
	
	
	My Autonumber is creating duplicate number.  Of course, the
records
	aren't being saved as the Autonumber needs to be unique.  What
should I
	do and why is this happening?
	
	Thanks for any help you can give.
	
	Terri Jarus
	Director, Contract Support Services
	jarus at amerinet-gpo.com
	314-542-1902
	
	
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 08:04:53 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:04:53 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtBY2Nlc3NEXSAgSW50ZXJTeXN0ZW1zIENhY2jpIGRhdGFiYXNl?=
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In-Reply-To: <85207928.20031010103152@cactus.dk>
References: <000b01c38e85$59a843a0$7001a8c0@COA3>
 <85207928.20031010103152@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <12025360145.20031014150453@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Just had a talk with the local representative about developer's cost.

Minimum is one license at EUR 240.00.
Maintenance and support is optional at 22% pr. year of license fee or
~EUR 53.00 bringing a total for the first year of about EUR 293.00
which equals about USD 340.00. This may, of course, vary on the west
side of the pond.

If you sign an agreement as a software house you'll get a substantial
discount on these prices including the licenses you may sell to your
clients.

To me this sounds so fair that only open source engines like Firebird,
SAP DB (MaxDB) and MySQL can compete - and they'll only bring a
fraction of the features of Cach?.

I have no time to play around with the free test license at the moment
but I hope I will in the near future.

/gustav


> Hi Anonymous

> Here a simple end user license fee is EUR 240.
> However, they offer alternative pricing schemes, like

>   Power Units (don't ask)
>   Value based

> These are intended for OEM and embedded use of the engine.
> Further, due to the diverted use of the engine, pricing should be
> negotiable. This you will, of course, have to discuss with your local
> contact.

> How or if this covers a developer license for commercial use, I don't
> know yet.

> /gustav


>> Anyone know the pricing?  The site requires you to fill out a survey to
>> get pricing ... If the price isn't on the site, for anything, it?s
>> ususally way too expensive.


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:58 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Cc: accessdb2web at egroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] InterSystems Cach? database engine


>> Hi group

>> Well, today I went to this hands-on seminar, and I'm impressed.

>> The core of the engine is an object oriented data store. You create as
>> easy as in Access - in a very nice designer using a basic like language
>> - classes for storing data. When compiled, these classes are at once
>> compiled too - and represented - as tables via ODBC and JDBC, classes
>> via C++, Java, ActiveX (COM), .net and XML, and you can access the data
>> simultaneous via all interfaces. These layers are all highly efficient
>> they claim is the main reason for the high speed of the engine next to
>> the speed of the engine itself.

>> Further, you can create CSP pages similar to ASP and JSP pages with a
>> direct connection to the engine. An add-in for Dreamweaver is offered
>> with wizards for creating web pages. These pages are interesting as they
>> offer live update of presented data via either a server call or a hidden
>> frame meaning that requery or repaint of the displayed page is avoided -
>> this is in my opinion mandatory for anything serious application-like
>> running in a browser.

>> The best perspective of this, in my eyes, is that you can start using
>> the engine and your proven tools whatever they might be (Access) while
>> moving to or adding other interfaces like another language, a browser
>> interface, XML or web services (SOAP). Rome was not built in one day,
>> remember.

>> The engine scales to shadowed servers, clusters and TB size with no more
>> efforts than within reach of a developer (we are impatient and really
>> have no time for this, you know), and it runs on close to anything
>> including WinNT/200x/XP, Redhat/Suse Linux, Solaris, OpenVMS, Tru64,
>> HP-UX, AIX, and Win ME/98 - even Win95 - and MacOX with the next release
>> - requiring modest hardware only.

>> /gustav


>>>> Just noticed this option for a free developer license:

>>>>   http://www.intersystems.com/downloads/index.html

>>>> Anyone having experience with this engine as a backend for Access or 
>>>> otherwise?

>>>> The free license doesn't allow you to sell your apps. It is, however,
>>>> not time limited.


From backroad at idir.net  Tue Oct 14 08:32:44 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:32:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?
References: <3F8B96BB.24473.231DF5@localhost>
Message-ID: <003101c39257$a6f1cb60$6501a8c0@Julie>

Thanks very much to all who answered - exactly the information I need!

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: What's the standard paper size in your country?


> On 13 Oct 2003 at 12:45, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > You'll find that most of the world (except the US) uses A4 as its
> > standard paper.  We offer reports formatted for legal, letter or A4.
>
> Canada uses Letter size as well as it's standard size.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> It was difficult to code. So it damn well better be difficult to use.
>
>
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Tue Oct 14 09:11:50 2003
From: joeget at vgernet.net (joeget at vgernet.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:11:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
Message-ID: <200310141407.h9EE7G1M024591@vger.vgernet.net>

When I go from a form to a link and 
then return the form is minimized and 
at the bottom of the screen. Does 
anyone know how to automatically have 
the original form go back to the 
maximized state after the link is 
closed?
Thanks in advance
John
Eget

---------------------------------------------
Inter-Access
http://www.vgernet.net



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 09:31:15 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:31:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
Message-ID: <20031014143111.54D9924D08D@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 14 09:44:37 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:44:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Report Grouping
Message-ID: <Sea1-F149F7RlwDQfCr0000be88@hotmail.com>

Thank you, Gustav, I think that's exactly the solution I was looking for.

Gina
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gustav Brock [gustav at cactus.dk] wrote:
Hi Gina

Assuming that

  STALLWORTH - 1080400000
  CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
  VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"

should be something like this as no ranges overlap:

  STALLWORTH - 1080400000
  CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
  VCHA - between "108100*" and "108120*"

you could create a table with the specific ranges:

Center      AreaMin         AreaMax
CHS         1081750000      1081769999
STALLWORTH  1080400000      1080400000
VCHA        1081000000      1081209999
CHS         4081100000      4081199999

Then modify your report source like this (only basic fields shown):

<SQL>

  SELECT
    Area,
    Center,
    Report
  FROM
    tblCenterData,
    tblCenterRange
  WHERE
    Area Between [AreaMin] And [AreaMax];

</SQL>

Note the missing join. Also, grouping and sorting should be left out - do 
that in your report.

Thus, this will be returned:

Area            Center          Report
1080400000      STALLWORTH      80025
1080400000      STALLWORTH      80010
1080400000      STALLWORTH      44740
1081000000      VCHA            50400
1081000000      VCHA            50200
1081000000      VCHA            50100
1081750000      CHS             59505
1081750000      CHS             59205
1081750000      CHS             59203

/gustav

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 14 09:47:32 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:47:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77C3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I sit corrected, it was indeed the Str() function my lame-brain was
"thinking" of.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:19 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
> 
> Hi Lambert
> 
> This is not correct - you must be thinking of Str() which adds a
> leading place holder (space) for the sign but doesn't display a plus
> sign, thus 
> 
>    2 displays as " 2"
>   -2 displays as "-2"
> 
> which has the advantage of listing positive and negative numbers
> nicely when using a monospaced font.
> 
> Like CStr(), Format() does not have this behaviour. You can, however,
> tell Format() to act like Str() this way:
> 
>   strVal = Format(lngVal," 0;-0")
> 
> But why should you? Str() is very much faster than Format().
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Format *always* pads with one space, to get more just include spaces in
> the
> > format string, thus...
> 
> > format(2,"0") will display (without the quotes) " 2"
> > format(2," 0") will display "  2"
> 
> > if you don't want any padding use Cstr instead of Format.
> 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue Oct 14 10:04:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:04:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F706@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Yes good idea.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Dim objExcel as object
Dim objWorksheet as object

This is more clear than variant.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jim DeMarco
Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 21:09
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


>>You can use object type to<<
Sorry don't understand what you mean.

BTW - it works on her machine now if she uses a Variant for the VBIDE
objects.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails



You can use object type to. 
This will result in not having the autosuggest while developing.
I noticed that this solved some issues to. Al hase to do with late/early
binding.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jim DeMarco
Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 17:38
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Good point.  I asked the developer to see if she was properly cleaning
up.  Meanwhile, I got the code to run on my machine (it was giving me a
Type Mismatch error) by changing the data type of both VBIDE objects to
Variant.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Yes I can....

Has some serious troubles resolving this issue.
I had same problem with some objets in excel not all and only the second
time I ran the code.

The first time it works, the second time I got object errors. When you
close and reopen access it works again for 1 time.

It has to do with early binding and not closing object properly.

I see your code already uses late binding but you should verify if you
properly quit excel after setting all object to nothing..

Particaly when developping you sometime stop the code to run and by that
not closing the objects properly. Closing access an reopen is your only
option at that moment.

Often forgotten is when you leave the function after an error has ocured
not to close objects. Objects need to be closed to when leaving a
function after an error.


 

Erwin Craps

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John,

It works in my debug window too but not in a form code module.  I don't
know why there's a difference.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel automation code fails


Jim,

Given the path and name of an Excel sheet on my pc, this seems to work 
ok and gives the following in the debug window:

 2
ThisWorkbook
 2
Sheet1
 2

If you have more than A97 installed on your test machine, check that the

references are actually set and all match the version of office your 
running.

HTH,

John Sullivan


Jim DeMarco wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why this code returns an "Object does not support
>automation" error when run from a form code module, but works when 
>pasted into the debug window?  App (A97) references the VBA 
>Extensibility and Excel libraries.
>
><code>
>Dim objXLapp As Excel.Application
>Dim objXLWorkbooks As Excel.Workbooks
>Dim objXLABC As Excel.Workbook
>
>Dim objProject As VBIDE.VBProject
>Dim objComponent As VBIDE.VBComponent
>
>
>Set objXLapp = New Excel.Application
>Set objXLWorkbooks = objXLapp.Workbooks
>Set objXLABC = objXLWorkbooks.Open("c:\work\pcpfile.xls")
>Set objProject = objXLABC.VBProject
>
>Debug.Print objProject.VBComponents.Count 'code fails here from form
>module
>
>
>For Each objComponent In objProject.VBComponents
>   Debug.Print objComponent.Name
>   Debug.Print objComponent.CodeModule.CountOfLines
>Next
></code>
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director of Product Development
>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Tue Oct 14 13:41:40 2003
From: joeget at vgernet.net (Joeget)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:41:40 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 14 10:23:24 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:23:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310131959.h9DJxve29700@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014101408.02673b00@pop3.highstream.net>

John,

The "longest" string is the full size of the column.

Here is a function that will do it on the fly.  You would
pass the full column width, i.e. 15 as the intWidth.

Function PadLeft(strText As String, intWidth As Integer, _
  Optional strPad As String = " ") As String

     ' Pad strText on the left, so the whole output is
     ' at least intWidth characters.
     ' If strText is longer than intWidth, just return strText.
     ' If strPad is wider than one character, this code only takes
     '  the first character got padding.
     ' Parameters:
     '   strText:
     '       Input text
     '   intWidth:
     '       Minimum width of the output. If
     '       Len(strText) < intWidth, then the
     '       output will be exactly intWidth characters
     '       wide. The code will not truncate strText,
     '       no matter what.
     '   strPad (Optional, default is " "):
     '       string whose first character will
     '       be used to pad the output.
     ' Returns:
     '   Return Value:
     '       strText, possibly padded on the left with
     '       the first character of strPad.
     ' Example:
     '   PadLeft("Name", 10, ".") returns
     '       "......Name"
     '   PadLeft("Name", 10) returns
     '       "      Name"

     If Len(strText) > intWidth Then
         PadLeft = strText
     Else
         PadLeft = Right$(String(intWidth, strPad) & _
          strText, intWidth)
     End If
  End Function

Since I useBase36 for my numbering, I start my numbering
at 0000000000.  Because everything is padded with 0, the
sorting is not an issue.  I live with the performance hit
of a few milliseconds because I prefer this method.

One day, I suspect our SSNs will include letters and go to
a Base36 numbering like the license plates on our cars.
And it would be smart, which is why it will never happen
;-), if zip codes were done the same way.

I believe we agree, just saying it different ways.  8-)

Robert

At 02:59 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:19:14 -0500
>From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEMDFCAA.john at winhaven.net>
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>
>Yes, but then you have to find the longest string first and feed it to the
>format function and you have the issue of leading zeros or (whatever), etc.
>
>I realize there are many reasons to type a field one way or the other and
>there are always gray areas...
>therefore I'll revise my previous statement - its cleaner (and easier) to
>sort your data if you first properly type your data fields. In general use a
>number type for items that indicate a numeric value and a text type for
>items that just happen to include numbers.



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 14 10:51:07 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:51:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Report Grouping
In-Reply-To: <200310141524.h9EFOBe01916@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014104733.02684d40@pop3.highstream.net>

I believe that you can do this with a query.

Use GroupBy on the Center
Use Min on the Center range in the first instance of it
Use Max on the center range in the second instance of it.

But, it sounds like she simply wants a grouping report
grouped by Center and sorted by center then center range.

Robert

At 10:24 AM 10/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:13:04 +0200
>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Report Grouping
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <5211452017.20031014111304 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hi Gina
>
>Assuming that
>
>   STALLWORTH - 1080400000
>   CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
>   VCHA - between "108100*" and "108210*"
>
>should be something like this as no ranges overlap:
>
>   STALLWORTH - 1080400000
>   CHS - between "108175*" and "108176*" or like "40811*"
>   VCHA - between "108100*" and "108120*"
>
>you could create a table with the specific ranges:
>
>Center      AreaMin         AreaMax
>CHS         1081750000      1081769999
>STALLWORTH  1080400000      1080400000
>VCHA        1081000000      1081209999
>CHS         4081100000      4081199999



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 11:10:25 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:10:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
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References: <200310141524.h9EFOBe01916@databaseadvisors.com>
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Hey Group
I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to monthdateyear(01231998) format.
So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and tested it at
home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to table. Now it
doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?


Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection

If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then

    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")

        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)

        Debug.Print aRecord(8)

        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
        'con.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If




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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 14 11:11:28 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:11:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310141524.h9EFOBe01916@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014105625.02624960@pop3.highstream.net>

Gustav,

See responses below:


At 10:24 AM 10/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:



>With all respect I disagree. The rule should be reversed:

RLS:  Isn't this list great, we can disagree and stay friends.  8-) (Not 
trying to be funny)


>   If you are not going to use the number as a string,
>   store it as a number.
>
>The exceptions are only those where the numbers exceed the capacity of
>your database engine, normally at least 14 digits (Jet: Currency) and
>a Long Integer is always available which holds 9 digits.

RLS:  By using scientific notation, you can go past this also.
Decimal = 10 ^28 -1


>Also, as several have stated, there may be some good reason for not
>storing a number as a number but as a numeric string. The most common
>situations are those where the place holder has a meaning. An example
>is old accounting systems where longer account numbers indicate lower
>levels relative to shorter account numbers:
>
>        4        Main account
>        48       Sub account of 4
>        482      Sub account of 48
>        8        Main account
>        ...      etc.

RLS:  True and in this case, it is "sorting" the way you really want it to.


>One way to avoid strings in this case is to decide on a maximum length
>for account numbers, say 6, and append traling zeroes:
>
>        400000   Main account
>        480000   Sub account of 4
>        482000   Sub account of 48
>        800000   Main account
>        ...      etc.
>
>Another example is something like product numbers where leading zeroes
>are used but the length of the numbers varies. Such a combination
>cannot be sorted by formatting with leading zeroes as you don't know
>how many zeroes to add:
>
>        00459208
>        69392110
>        0002918
>        33981
>        88470098
>        0877281

RLS:  True, but just because we say "product number" does not mean that it 
really is a number.  Product Identifier would really be more accurate.  I 
would never think of making this a number and from what you have said, 
neither would you.


>However, in many countries postal codes are pure numerics and of fixed
>length, so there's no reason to store a, say, four digit number as a
>string when a two-byte Integer can do.

RLS:  Sure there is.  Like the US zip codes, they can start with a zero.


>And here every company is identified for the authorities by a fixed
>8-digit number like 12002696. Although it should be formatted as
>12-00-26-96 I see no special reason for storing it as text.

RLS:  As long as the first character can not be a zero, you are okay.  Just 
like in the US, our Social Security Number is a format of
999-99-9999, I would never store it as a number because some of them start 
with zero.

Just call me "Old School" 8-)))

Robert



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 11:40:53 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:40:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
References: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
Message-ID: <24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group,
I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac respectively)
O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")

 (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies. Am
I missing anything ?


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 14 12:02:51 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:02:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
Message-ID: <BAY1-F80SOlbpH71yEX0000fb40@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can call from A97 to 
kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?

Thanks,

Mark

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 14 12:10:08 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:10:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
References: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
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Message-ID: <00d501c39276$0538ca70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...go to www.colbyconsulting.com and dl the ProperCase sample db there
...it'll give you what you're looking for ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


> Hey Group,
> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
> McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac respectively)
> O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")
>
>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies. Am
> I missing anything ?
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 14 12:24:30 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:24:30 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
In-Reply-To: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <00df01c39278$07232360$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Some ideas:

I assume what you are saying is that the date is stored in your csv table as
yyyymmdd and access is reading it as mmddyyyy (ie american date format) and thus
your dates are screwed up.

Using dim aRecord as you have will default the variable to a variant.  (A side
note, I always explicity declare, that way I avoid unexpected surprises if MS
decides to change the default behaviour)

I don't know what split does, but I am assuming it tries to guess what the
variable type is and then stores it as that type.  I would first check your PC
date format, but I suspect that you will be stuck with US interpretation and
will have to "manually" force the date to be read the correct manner.

First suggestion would be to dim aRecord as a string.  This will force the date
(and other fields) to be stored as they appear in the csv file.  Then you can
split the date field using left$/right$/mid$ and datepart.

If I am incorrectly guessing what your problem is, maybe someelse will have a
better idea.

Stuart

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> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
>
>
> Hey Group
> I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
> changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to
> monthdateyear(01231998) format.
> So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
> yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and
> tested it at
> home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
> aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to
> table. Now it
> doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>
>
> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim aRecord
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>
> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>
>     Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>
>     Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>
>         strLine = ts.ReadLine
>         aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>
>         aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>
>         Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>
>         strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," &
> aRecord(8) & ")"
>         'con.Execute (strSQL)
>
>     Loop
> Else
>      MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
> End If
>
>
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 12:20:59 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:20:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
In-Reply-To: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
Message-ID: <00c301c39277$89491ee0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Joe
To do this sort of thing I now use a variety of Shell command, not to
run Word, Excel etc but Rundll so that you effectively invoke whatever
app is associated with the file type. Someone on the list gave it to me
(sorry, can't give due credit cos can't remember and code doesn't say).
Anyway, it works a treat, opens app in separate window, doesn't touch
the Access app at all. You just put a call to it on the Click or
Double-Click (wherever you want) event behind the control. If you're
interested I can send it to you off-list.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>  

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: 14 October 2003 19:42
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form to Link and return




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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
Date: 14/10/03 14:36

Joe
What kind of link are we talking about here? A link to a web address or
what? And what are you using to execute the link? I ask because I have
links to URL's and don't get this happen.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
Date: 14/10/03 14:13


When I go from a form to a link and
then return the form is minimized and
at the bottom of the screen. Does
anyone know how to automatically have
the original form go back to the
maximized state after the link is
closed?
Thanks in advance
John
Eget

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I made a link to a spreadsheet and another to a word document on a form.
When I return the form is minimized and most operators cannot handle
this 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 12:28:30 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <00d501c39276$0538ca70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <200310142241.h9EMfeJx032110@postmail.vgernet.net>
        <24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <00d501c39276$0538ca70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
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I already got the module from Andy's website, but it only had for Mac*s
I'll go o yours now, thank you

> ...go to www.colbyconsulting.com and dl the ProperCase sample db there
> ...it'll give you what you're looking for ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:40 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>
>
>> Hey Group,
>> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
>> McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac
>> respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter
>> in word is "O")
>>
>>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
>> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de"
>> varies. Am I missing anything ?
>>
>>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 12:30:37 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>

This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 14 12:32:56 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:32:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
References: <200310141524.h9EFOBe01916@databaseadvisors.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20031014104733.02684d40@pop3.highstream.net>
 <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <3F8C3348.7070205@shaw.ca>

Code is okay, it will fail with a subscript error if there are less than 
9 fields or perhaps if this is a Unix file with a terminating LF instead 
of CR LF
Put in a UBound(aRecord) + 1 to count number of fields.

oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

>Hey Group
>I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
>changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to monthdateyear(01231998) format.
>So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
>yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and tested it at
>home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
>aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to table. Now it
>doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>
>
>Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>Dim strLine As String
>Dim aRecord
>Dim strSQL As String
>Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>
>If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>
>    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>
>    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>
>        strLine = ts.ReadLine
>        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>
>        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>
>        Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>
>        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
>        'con.Execute (strSQL)
>
>    Loop
>Else
>     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>End If
>
>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 12:49:12 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:49:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3942419285.20031014194912@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

If you only have a few rows as shown I don't think you have any other
possibility than trying the different combinations using some loops.

You could, of course, start by ruling out some of the impossible
combinations by adding all the negatives and all the positives; here
it will return -5 and +18 which shows that 7 can be ruled out as it is
larger than the absolute value of the sum of negatives. On the other
hand, -2 and -3 must be included in any combination as the absolute
value of the sum of these equals the smallest positive number, 5.

If you have many rows you'll have to find some smarter routines as the
number of combinations increase dramatically.

/gustav


> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.

> Example:

> MyField
>    5
>   -2
>    7
>   -3
>    6

> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 


From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 13:00:10 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <3942419285.20031014194912@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you Gustav,
 
The number of rows may vary with each client. This will be an accounting feature. There will be a client number and that's how I will group. A client could have one record or ten records. I was looking for something efficient and something that I could load a couple of variables which would be the number of records and an array of the values.
 
Thanks again.

Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: 
Hi Lonnie

If you only have a few rows as shown I don't think you have any other
possibility than trying the different combinations using some loops.

You could, of course, start by ruling out some of the impossible
combinations by adding all the negatives and all the positives; here
it will return -5 and +18 which shows that 7 can be ruled out as it is
larger than the absolute value of the sum of negatives. On the other
hand, -2 and -3 must be included in any combination as the absolute
value of the sum of these equals the smallest positive number, 5.

If you have many rows you'll have to find some smarter routines as the
number of combinations increase dramatically.

/gustav


> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.

> Example:

> MyField
> 5
> -2
> 7
> -3
> 6

> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 

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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Oct 14 13:03:01 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:03:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E3F@NT04.karta.com>

Lonnie,
I'm just curious... why do you want to know this?
Is there a finite number of field or is the field number dynamic?
What are you going to do with the answer?
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


 
This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us <http://www.prodev.us/> 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 13:07:20 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:07:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014105625.02624960@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014105625.02624960@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <15443507981.20031014200720@cactus.dk>

Hi Robert

Just a note.

>>The exceptions are only those where the numbers exceed the capacity of
>>your database engine, normally at least 14 digits (Jet: Currency) and
>>a Long Integer is always available which holds 9 digits.

> RLS:  By using scientific notation, you can go past this also.
> Decimal = 10 ^28 -1

That's right but the Decimal datatype was not used by the Jet engine
before version 4 (Access 2000). For A97 and earlier that means you
would have to store it in some fancy way using compound fields or,
say, like a string! 

/gustav


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 13:18:28 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:18:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
In-Reply-To: <00df01c39278$07232360$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <00df01c39278$07232360$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
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Thanks, I'll declare aRecord as string. Its this part I am having trouble
with

strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
con.Execute (strSQL)

Where do I specify to what table, and to what fields (in this database) do
I want records to be inserted ?
Also, Access97 doesn't have split function ? I did that part at home on
Access2000

> Some ideas:
>
> I assume what you are saying is that the date is stored in your csv
> table as yyyymmdd and access is reading it as mmddyyyy (ie american date
> format) and thus your dates are screwed up.
>
> Using dim aRecord as you have will default the variable to a variant.
> (A side note, I always explicity declare, that way I avoid unexpected
> surprises if MS decides to change the default behaviour)
>
> I don't know what split does, but I am assuming it tries to guess what
> the variable type is and then stores it as that type.  I would first
> check your PC date format, but I suspect that you will be stuck with US
> interpretation and will have to "manually" force the date to be read the
> correct manner.
>
> First suggestion would be to dim aRecord as a string.  This will force
> the date (and other fields) to be stored as they appear in the csv file.
>  Then you can split the date field using left$/right$/mid$ and datepart.
>
> If I am incorrectly guessing what your problem is, maybe someelse will
> have a better idea.
>
> Stuart
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2003 12:10 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
>>
>>
>> Hey Group
>> I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
>> changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to
>> monthdateyear(01231998) format.
>> So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
>> yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and
>> tested it at
>> home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
>> aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to
>> table. Now it
>> doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>>
>>
>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim aRecord
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>
>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>>
>>     Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>
>>     Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>
>>         strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>         aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>>
>>         aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>
>>         Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>>
>>         strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," &
>> aRecord(8) & ")"
>>         'con.Execute (strSQL)
>>
>>     Loop
>> Else
>>      MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>> End If
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 13:52:34 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:52:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17846221523.20031014205234@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

So a maximum would be 10 rows?
Like Jim, out of curiosity, what is this accounting feature? Balancing
of payments or bank transactions?

/gustav


> Thank you Gustav,
 
> The number of rows may vary with each client. This will be an accounting feature. There will be a client number and that's how I will group. A client could have one record or ten records. I was
> looking for something efficient and something that I could load a couple of variables which would be the number of records and an array of the values.
 
> Thanks again.

> Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: 
> Hi Lonnie

> If you only have a few rows as shown I don't think you have any other
> possibility than trying the different combinations using some loops.

> You could, of course, start by ruling out some of the impossible
> combinations by adding all the negatives and all the positives; here
> it will return -5 and +18 which shows that 7 can be ruled out as it is
> larger than the absolute value of the sum of negatives. On the other
> hand, -2 and -3 must be included in any combination as the absolute
> value of the sum of these equals the smallest positive number, 5.

> If you have many rows you'll have to find some smarter routines as the
> number of combinations increase dramatically.

> /gustav


>> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.

>> Example:

>> MyField
>> 5
>> -2
>> 7
>> -3
>> 6

>> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 14 13:58:14 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:58:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
References: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <00df01c39278$07232360$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
 <19118.12.3.132.98.1066155508.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <3F8C4746.4090707@shaw.ca>

Here are some Access 97 replacement functions
Not fully tested

 Function Split(ByVal Expression As String, Optional Delimiter = " ", _
  Optional limit As Long = -1, Optional Compare As Integer = 
vbBinaryCompare _
              ) As Variant
'*******************************************
'Name:      Split (Function)
'Purpose:   Emulates the A2k/A2k2 Split function
'Author:    Terry Kreft
'Date:      December 13, 2001, 02:47:07
'Called by: Any
'Calls:     None
'Inputs:
' Expression - The string to split
' Delimiter  - The delimiter to split on
' limit      - How many terms to return
'              (Default -1 return all terms)
' Compare    - How to make the string comparison
'              for the delimiter
'              This should be
'                vbBinaryCompare   = 0 (Default)
'                vbTextCompare     = 1
'                vbDatabaseCompare = 2
'Output:
'*******************************************

  Dim varValues As Variant
  Dim lngCount As Long
  Dim intInstr As Integer
  Dim intLenDelim As Integer
  Const ARRAY_LOW_BOUND = 0

  On Error GoTo Split_err

  varValues = Array()
  If limit <> 0 Then
    lngCount = 0
    intLenDelim = Len(Delimiter)
    intInstr = InStr(1, Expression, Delimiter, Compare)
    Do While intInstr <> 0 And lngCount - limit + 1 <> 0
      ReDim Preserve varValues(ARRAY_LOW_BOUND To lngCount)
      varValues(lngCount) = Left(Expression, intInstr - 1)
      Expression = Mid(Expression, intInstr + intLenDelim)
      intInstr = InStr(1, Expression, Delimiter, Compare)
      lngCount = lngCount + 1
    Loop
    If Len(Expression) <> 0 Then
      ReDim Preserve varValues(ARRAY_LOW_BOUND To lngCount)
      varValues(lngCount) = Expression
    End If
  End If
  Split = varValues
Split_end:
Exit Function
Split_err:
  With Err
    MsgBox .Number & ": " & .Description, vbExclamation, .Source
  End With
  Resume Split_end
End Function

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B188007

Option Explicit

      Public Function Join(source() As String, Optional _
            sDelim As String = " ") As String
      Dim sOut As String, iC As Integer
      On Error GoTo errh:
          For iC = LBound(source) To UBound(source) - 1
              sOut = sOut & source(iC) & sDelim
          Next
          sOut = sOut & source(iC)
          Join = sOut
          Exit Function
      errh:
          Err.Raise Err.Number
      End Function

      Public Function ReadUntil(ByRef sIn As String, _
            sDelim As String, Optional bCompare As VbCompareMethod _
          = vbBinaryCompare) As String
          Dim nPos As String
          nPos = InStr(1, sIn, sDelim, bCompare)
          If nPos > 0 Then
              ReadUntil = Left(sIn, nPos - 1)
              sIn = Mid(sIn, nPos + Len(sDelim))
          End If
      End Function

      Public Function StrReverse(ByVal sIn As String) As String
          Dim nC As Integer, sOut As String
          For nC = Len(sIn) To 1 Step -1
          sOut = sOut & Mid(sIn, nC, 1)
          Next
          StrReverse = sOut
      End Function

      Public Function InStrRev(ByVal sIn As String, sFind As String, _
       Optional nStart As Long = 1, Optional bCompare As _
            VbCompareMethod = vbBinaryCompare) As Long
          Dim nPos As Long
          sIn = StrReverse(sIn)
          sFind = StrReverse(sFind)
          nPos = InStr(nStart, sIn, sFind, bCompare)
          If nPos = 0 Then
              InStrRev = 0
          Else
              InStrRev = Len(sIn) - nPos - Len(sFind) + 2
          End If
      End Function

      Public Function Replace(sIn As String, sFind As String, _
            sReplace As String, Optional nStart As Long = 1, _
            Optional nCount As Long = -1, Optional bCompare As _
            VbCompareMethod = vbBinaryCompare) As String

          Dim nC As Long, nPos As Integer, sOut As String
          sOut = sIn
          nPos = InStr(nStart, sOut, sFind, bCompare)
          If nPos = 0 Then GoTo EndFn:
          Do
              nC = nC + 1
              sOut = Left(sOut, nPos - 1) & sReplace & _
                 Mid(sOut, nPos + Len(sFind))
              If nCount <> -1 And nC >= nCount Then Exit Do
              nPos = InStr(nStart, sOut, sFind, bCompare)
          Loop While nPos > 0
      EndFn:
          Replace = sOut
      End Function

Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

>Thanks, I'll declare aRecord as string. Its this part I am having trouble
>with
>
>strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
>con.Execute (strSQL)
>
>Where do I specify to what table, and to what fields (in this database) do
>I want records to be inserted ?
>Also, Access97 doesn't have split function ? I did that part at home on
>Access2000
>
>  
>
>>Some ideas:
>>
>>I assume what you are saying is that the date is stored in your csv
>>table as yyyymmdd and access is reading it as mmddyyyy (ie american date
>>format) and thus your dates are screwed up.
>>
>>Using dim aRecord as you have will default the variable to a variant.
>>(A side note, I always explicity declare, that way I avoid unexpected
>>surprises if MS decides to change the default behaviour)
>>
>>I don't know what split does, but I am assuming it tries to guess what
>>the variable type is and then stores it as that type.  I would first
>>check your PC date format, but I suspect that you will be stuck with US
>>interpretation and will have to "manually" force the date to be read the
>>correct manner.
>>
>>First suggestion would be to dim aRecord as a string.  This will force
>>the date (and other fields) to be stored as they appear in the csv file.
>> Then you can split the date field using left$/right$/mid$ and datepart.
>>
>>If I am incorrectly guessing what your problem is, maybe someelse will
>>have a better idea.
>>
>>Stuart
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>>Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2003 12:10 AM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Group
>>>I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
>>>changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to
>>>monthdateyear(01231998) format.
>>>So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
>>>yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and
>>>tested it at
>>>home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
>>>aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to
>>>table. Now it
>>>doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>>>Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>>>Dim strLine As String
>>>Dim aRecord
>>>Dim strSQL As String
>>>Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>>
>>>If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>>>
>>>    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>>>testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>>
>>>    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>>
>>>        strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>>        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>>>
>>>        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>>
>>>        Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>>>
>>>        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," &
>>>aRecord(8) & ")"
>>>        'con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>>    Loop
>>>Else
>>>     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>>>End If
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From j.frederick at att.net  Tue Oct 14 14:04:30 2003
From: j.frederick at att.net (John Frederick)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:04:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
In-Reply-To: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <KIEBKJDMKEHOPCJLKNAFAEKKCBAA.j.frederick@att.net>

I have a mailing list app and regularly need to load new contact information
from magazines and conferences with a variety of formats.  For a one time
load of a comma delimited format, my procedure is as follows:
1.  Import, choosing the new table and assign primary key options.  If some
data is rejected, change all the field definitions to the most permissive
formats: text 255.  The objective is to get all the data into Access any way
I can and deal with format problems later.
2.  Make a copy of the eventual target table to stage the new data.
3.  Make an append query that maps the input data to the formats required
for the new table using name mapping in the query.  Map the Access assiged
Key in the input into the key field in the staging table.  If it takes some
update queries, You can link the tables using the primary keys.
4.  Review it by eye to check for gross errors and repeat until you like the
results.
5.  run a basic append query to add the data to the production table.

If there is a requirement from more inputs of the same formst, you can put
the machinery on a button for the client as follows:
1.  Rename the Access-generated input table to tmptblxxx and keep it.
2.  Go into the saved formats(non-trivial - email if you need to know how)
and change the name to something meaningful.  I'm not sure it matters, but I
change all the field definitions to the most permissive: text 255.
3.  Do code that
	a. empties both the input and staging tables
	b. runs DoCmd.TransferText to bring in the input.
	c. runs your append query to move the data from the input to staging
tables.
	d. runs a normal select query: DoCmd.OpenQuery to let the client see the
data as it will look when appended to his production table.
	e. runs an append query to move the data from the staging to production
table WITHOUT THE PRIMARY KEY AUTONUMBER FIELD, so keys will be assigned
consistent with the production table.  If you need to know the primary key
values assigned so that you can do related tables, you need to do this step
in code.  After the Addnew, but before the Update, you can read the new key
value.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table


Hey Group
I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to monthdateyear(01231998) format.
So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and tested it at
home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to table. Now it
doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?


Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection

If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then

    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")

        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)

        Debug.Print aRecord(8)

        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
        'con.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If




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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 14:07:29 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:07:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB872@nnse14.nns.com>

I just received an Excel spreadsheet with a date column.  The dates display
as "8/22/2003", however the cell contains "8/22/2003  2:00:00 PM".  How can
I import this data into Access retaining only the date "8/22/2003"?  Prior
to this submittal I could link to the spreadsheet and copy/paste the records
with no massaging of data required.  They obviously have changed their
export routine.


Mark

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 14:25:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:25:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
Message-ID: <01df01c39288$edc89920$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is open?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 14:29:10 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] subform loaded
Message-ID: <20031014192910.25718.qmail@web9805.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know how to tell if a subform is loaded or not?
 
Thanks!
 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 14:34:22 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:34:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB872@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB872@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <45232.12.3.132.98.1066160062.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mark,

what about importing/linking the excel data to access and setting Data
Type - Date/Time, Format - Short Date  ?

> I just received an Excel spreadsheet with a date column.  The dates
> display as "8/22/2003", however the cell contains "8/22/2003  2:00:00
> PM".  How can I import this data into Access retaining only the date
> "8/22/2003"?  Prior to this submittal I could link to the spreadsheet
> and copy/paste the records with no massaging of data required.  They
> obviously have changed their export routine.
>
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 14:50:39 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:50:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312380@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You could use WithEvents from the calling form to open the report and
trap the Report_OnClose event.  The code in the routine that opens the
report would end after opening the report, but the local OnClose event
for the report would trigger whatever code you put into that custom
routine.  That's the way I normally do it.  Does it sound completely
confused?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


Dear List:
 
Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is
open?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 14 15:20:22 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:20:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C66@EXCHMAIL>

Oleg, I also made one up several years back. The code is a bit ugly, but it works great. I even allow an optional parameter to prompt the user if they want to correct certain 2 and 3 letter words such as:

 In the example "AAA Insurance", do you want to choose:

		1. aaa
		2. Aaa
		3. AAA


Check it out at:

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#McAfee,David

(I'll get around to cleaning up the code "Some" day :)

HTH
David McAfee

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


I already got the module from Andy's website, but it only had for Mac*s
I'll go o yours now, thank you

> ...go to www.colbyconsulting.com and dl the ProperCase sample db there
> ...it'll give you what you're looking for ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:40 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>
>
>> Hey Group,
>> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
>> McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac
>> respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter
>> in word is "O")
>>
>>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
>> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de"
>> varies. Am I missing anything ?

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 15:25:18 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:25:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB874@nnse14.nns.com>

Oleg_123,

Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your
suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When the
format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a time
component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative implications?
Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in criteria?  I hope
not...


Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access


Mark,

what about importing/linking the excel data to access and setting Data Type
- Date/Time, Format - Short Date  ?

> I just received an Excel spreadsheet with a date column.  The dates 
> display as "8/22/2003", however the cell contains "8/22/2003  2:00:00 
> PM".  How can I import this data into Access retaining only the date 
> "8/22/2003"?  Prior to this submittal I could link to the spreadsheet 
> and copy/paste the records with no massaging of data required.  They 
> obviously have changed their export routine.
>
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 15:29:22 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
Message-ID: <20031014202922.3980.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that may or may not be the user's default printer.
 
Does anyone know how to do this using code.
 
Thanks in advance!
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 15:34:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:34:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312381@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You didn't mention the version of Access.  AXP has a printers
collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls to get
printer information.  Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you have to
change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if you have
an MDE.  Can you fill in some of the details?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that may or
may not be the user's default printer.
 
Does anyone know how to do this using code.
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 15:44:56 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:44:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
In-Reply-To: <3F8C4746.4090707@shaw.ca>
References: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <00df01c39278$07232360$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
        <19118.12.3.132.98.1066155508.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <3F8C4746.4090707@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <21032.12.3.132.98.1066164296.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Marty, thanks, you are a lifesaver.

> Here are some Access 97 replacement functions
> Not fully tested
>
>  Function Split(ByVal Expression As String, Optional Delimiter = " ", _
>   Optional limit As Long = -1, Optional Compare As Integer =
> vbBinaryCompare _
>               ) As Variant
> '*******************************************
> 'Name:      Split (Function)
> 'Purpose:   Emulates the A2k/A2k2 Split function
> 'Author:    Terry Kreft
> 'Date:      December 13, 2001, 02:47:07
> 'Called by: Any
> 'Calls:     None
> 'Inputs:
> ' Expression - The string to split
> ' Delimiter  - The delimiter to split on
> ' limit      - How many terms to return
> '              (Default -1 return all terms)
> ' Compare    - How to make the string comparison
> '              for the delimiter
> '              This should be
> '                vbBinaryCompare   = 0 (Default)
> '                vbTextCompare     = 1
> '                vbDatabaseCompare = 2
> 'Output:
> '*******************************************
>
>   Dim varValues As Variant
>   Dim lngCount As Long
>   Dim intInstr As Integer
>   Dim intLenDelim As Integer
>   Const ARRAY_LOW_BOUND = 0
>
>   On Error GoTo Split_err
>
>   varValues = Array()
>   If limit <> 0 Then
>     lngCount = 0
>     intLenDelim = Len(Delimiter)
>     intInstr = InStr(1, Expression, Delimiter, Compare)
>     Do While intInstr <> 0 And lngCount - limit + 1 <> 0
>       ReDim Preserve varValues(ARRAY_LOW_BOUND To lngCount)
>       varValues(lngCount) = Left(Expression, intInstr - 1)
>       Expression = Mid(Expression, intInstr + intLenDelim)
>       intInstr = InStr(1, Expression, Delimiter, Compare)
>       lngCount = lngCount + 1
>     Loop
>     If Len(Expression) <> 0 Then
>       ReDim Preserve varValues(ARRAY_LOW_BOUND To lngCount)
>       varValues(lngCount) = Expression
>     End If
>   End If
>   Split = varValues
> Split_end:
> Exit Function
> Split_err:
>   With Err
>     MsgBox .Number & ": " & .Description, vbExclamation, .Source
>   End With
>   Resume Split_end
> End Function
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B188007
>
> Option Explicit
>
>       Public Function Join(source() As String, Optional _
>             sDelim As String = " ") As String
>       Dim sOut As String, iC As Integer
>       On Error GoTo errh:
>           For iC = LBound(source) To UBound(source) - 1
>               sOut = sOut & source(iC) & sDelim
>           Next
>           sOut = sOut & source(iC)
>           Join = sOut
>           Exit Function
>       errh:
>           Err.Raise Err.Number
>       End Function
>
>       Public Function ReadUntil(ByRef sIn As String, _
>             sDelim As String, Optional bCompare As VbCompareMethod _
>           = vbBinaryCompare) As String
>           Dim nPos As String
>           nPos = InStr(1, sIn, sDelim, bCompare)
>           If nPos > 0 Then
>               ReadUntil = Left(sIn, nPos - 1)
>               sIn = Mid(sIn, nPos + Len(sDelim))
>           End If
>       End Function
>
>       Public Function StrReverse(ByVal sIn As String) As String
>           Dim nC As Integer, sOut As String
>           For nC = Len(sIn) To 1 Step -1
>           sOut = sOut & Mid(sIn, nC, 1)
>           Next
>           StrReverse = sOut
>       End Function
>
>       Public Function InStrRev(ByVal sIn As String, sFind As String, _
>        Optional nStart As Long = 1, Optional bCompare As _
>             VbCompareMethod = vbBinaryCompare) As Long
>           Dim nPos As Long
>           sIn = StrReverse(sIn)
>           sFind = StrReverse(sFind)
>           nPos = InStr(nStart, sIn, sFind, bCompare)
>           If nPos = 0 Then
>               InStrRev = 0
>           Else
>               InStrRev = Len(sIn) - nPos - Len(sFind) + 2
>           End If
>       End Function
>
>       Public Function Replace(sIn As String, sFind As String, _
>             sReplace As String, Optional nStart As Long = 1, _
>             Optional nCount As Long = -1, Optional bCompare As _
>             VbCompareMethod = vbBinaryCompare) As String
>
>           Dim nC As Long, nPos As Integer, sOut As String
>           sOut = sIn
>           nPos = InStr(nStart, sOut, sFind, bCompare)
>           If nPos = 0 Then GoTo EndFn:
>           Do
>               nC = nC + 1
>               sOut = Left(sOut, nPos - 1) & sReplace & _
>                  Mid(sOut, nPos + Len(sFind))
>               If nCount <> -1 And nC >= nCount Then Exit Do
>               nPos = InStr(nStart, sOut, sFind, bCompare)
>           Loop While nPos > 0
>       EndFn:
>           Replace = sOut
>       End Function
>
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:
>
>>Thanks, I'll declare aRecord as string. Its this part I am having
>> trouble with
>>
>>strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>
>>Where do I specify to what table, and to what fields (in this database)
>> do I want records to be inserted ?
>>Also, Access97 doesn't have split function ? I did that part at home on
>> Access2000
>>
>>
>>
>>>Some ideas:
>>>
>>>I assume what you are saying is that the date is stored in your csv
>>> table as yyyymmdd and access is reading it as mmddyyyy (ie american
>>> date format) and thus your dates are screwed up.
>>>
>>>Using dim aRecord as you have will default the variable to a variant.
>>> (A side note, I always explicity declare, that way I avoid unexpected
>>> surprises if MS decides to change the default behaviour)
>>>
>>>I don't know what split does, but I am assuming it tries to guess what
>>> the variable type is and then stores it as that type.  I would first
>>> check your PC date format, but I suspect that you will be stuck with
>>> US interpretation and will have to "manually" force the date to be
>>> read the correct manner.
>>>
>>>First suggestion would be to dim aRecord as a string.  This will force
>>> the date (and other fields) to be stored as they appear in the csv
>>> file.
>>> Then you can split the date field using left$/right$/mid$ and
>>> datepart.
>>>
>>>If I am incorrectly guessing what your problem is, maybe someelse will
>>> have a better idea.
>>>
>>>Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2003 12:10 AM
>>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey Group
>>>>I have to convert a CSV file to Access table, with one of the records
>>>> changing from yearmonthdate(19980123) to
>>>>monthdateyear(01231998) format.
>>>>So I gues I can't use macro for that since it doesn't recognise
>>>> yearmonthdate format. I wrote the code below yesterday and
>>>>tested it at
>>>>home on diff table and it worked up till including Debug.Print
>>>>aRecord(8)line  then I had trouble sending received data to
>>>>table. Now it
>>>>doesn't work at all.. any suggestions ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>>>>Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>>>>Dim strLine As String
>>>>Dim aRecord
>>>>Dim strSQL As String
>>>>Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>>>
>>>>If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv")
>>>> Then
>>>>
>>>>    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>>>>testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>>>
>>>>    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>>>
>>>>        strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>>>        aRecord = split(strLine, ",")
>>>>
>>>>        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>>>
>>>>        Debug.Print aRecord(8)
>>>>
>>>>        strSQL = "INSERT table value(" & aRecord(0) & "," &
>>>>aRecord(8) & ")"
>>>>        'con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>>
>>>>    Loop
>>>>Else
>>>>     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>>>>End If
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 14 15:46:32 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:46:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310142026.h9EKQIe22012@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014153850.02623c50@pop3.highstream.net>

Gustav,

Okay, you win.  8-)

I have not used 97 in more than a few years.

I think we will agree to disagree.  I love the
way my Base 36 system works and have converted
a number of the developers that I mentor through
the Special Interest Group I have been a leader
of for about 14 years.  But, then again, I have
only been using it for about 4 years.  So I have
a checkered past of using different things also.
But, I also do not beat them with my shillelagh
to get them to use it.

Robert

P.S.  shillelagh is an Irish weapon like a war club

At 03:26 PM 10/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:07:20 +0200
>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <15443507981.20031014200720 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hi Robert
>
>Just a note.
>
> >>The exceptions are only those where the numbers exceed the capacity of
> >>your database engine, normally at least 14 digits (Jet: Currency) and
> >>a Long Integer is always available which holds 9 digits.
>
> > RLS:  By using scientific notation, you can go past this also.
> > Decimal = 10 ^28 -1
>
>That's right but the Decimal datatype was not used by the Jet engine
>before version 4 (Access 2000). For A97 and earlier that means you
>would have to store it in some fancy way using compound fields or,
>say, like a string!
>
>/gustav



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 15:51:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:51:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a
	 form.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227323@main2.marlow.com>

If events are used, then they need to be in a Class Module.  Forms are Class
modules, so they can handle the events, but you can use just a plain class
module to reference an activeX control with events.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on
a form.


Don't controls (ActiveX or otherwise) always need a host (form)?  How is it
possible in VB?

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a form.



I tought it was posible to load an activex control in VBA so a form is not
needed.
I cant seem to find the right command for this.
Maybe I'm mistaking that this is only posible in VB.



Erwin Craps
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 15:52:21 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:52:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] converting csv to table (almost done)
In-Reply-To: <KIEBKJDMKEHOPCJLKNAFAEKKCBAA.j.frederick@att.net>
References: <10972.12.3.132.98.1066147825.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <KIEBKJDMKEHOPCJLKNAFAEKKCBAA.j.frederick@att.net>
Message-ID: <23800.12.3.132.98.1066164741.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

ok, thanks to Marty. 80% of it works as it worked yesterday on Access2000.
Now I just need to insert to access table, and from there, I'll know how
to take it.
 strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(1) &
"," & aRecord(2) & "," & aRecord(3) & "," & aRecord(4) & "," & aRecord(5)
& "," & aRecord(6) & "," & aRecord(7) & "," & aRecord(7) & "," &
aRecord(8) & ")"
    con.Execute (strSQL)

This is not doing giving some enigmatic error message about "Operation not
allowed when the object is closed"


    Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
    Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
    Dim strLine As String
    Dim aRecord
    Dim strSQL As String
    Dim con As New ADODB.Connection

    If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then

    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
       strLine = ts.ReadLine
    'Debug.Print strLine
    aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
    aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
    Debug.Print aRecord(8)

     strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(" & aRecord(0) & "," & aRecord(1)
& "," & aRecord(2) & "," & aRecord(3) & "," & aRecord(4) & "," &
aRecord(5) & "," & aRecord(6) & "," & aRecord(7) & "," & aRecord(7) &
"," & aRecord(8) & ")"
    con.Execute (strSQL)
    Loop
    Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
    End If



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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 15:58:23 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:58:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB874@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB874@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <26152.12.3.132.98.1066165103.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mark,

as far as I know (not 100% sure) Short Date is just a format, the record
10/14/2003 4:56:45 will be kept as such, but if choose "short date" the
table will only show the first part. As far as I know if you write just
10/14/2003, the sysem will assume you meant 12 midnight; and all
calculations such as such subtructing that date from Now() would use 12
midnight. I don't imagine format having any impact on calculations, but
perhaps someone else will have a diff opinion

Oleg
(not Oleg_123)

> Oleg_123,
>
> Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your
> suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When
> the format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a
> time component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative
> implications? Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in
> criteria?  I hope not...
>
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
>
>
> Mark,
>
> what about importing/linking the excel data to access and setting Data
> Type - Date/Time, Format - Short Date  ?
>
>> I just received an Excel spreadsheet with a date column.  The dates
>> display as "8/22/2003", however the cell contains "8/22/2003  2:00:00
>> PM".  How can I import this data into Access retaining only the date
>> "8/22/2003"?  Prior to this submittal I could link to the spreadsheet
>> and copy/paste the records with no massaging of data required.  They
>> obviously have changed their export routine.
>>
>>
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 16:10:57 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312381@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20031014211057.61166.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry, I am using office XP and I be compling the application into an mde.
 
Thanks in advance!

Dale

Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
You didn't mention the version of Access. AXP has a printers
collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls to get
printer information. Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you have to
change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if you have
an MDE. Can you fill in some of the details?

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that may or
may not be the user's default printer.

Does anyone know how to do this using code.

Thanks in advance!

Dale

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:12:10 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:12:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227325@main2.marlow.com>

He did know what he was talking about.  <grin>  Numbers are only 4 bytes
(long integers).  7 'digits' with text, take up 8 bytes (one byte to
determine the length, 7 bytes for the text itself).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


I inherited a budget number database with the primary key being a 7-digit
number.  The data type for the field is currently number (long integer).
Since the field requires no calculation, just some sorting, I'm considering
changing the data type to text.  The budget number table links to quite a
few other databases, so I'll have to change the field in other places.  Is
there a benefit to or problem with using one or the other data type?  I
remember an instructor once saying that if there's a choice between using a
text or number type, use number since numbers sort faster than text, but I'm
not so sure he knew what he was talking about.

TIA,
Cindy Spell  


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:15:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:15:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227326@main2.marlow.com>

Zip codes aren't actually numbers, since they can have an extension.  It's a
string then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes
> everything text unless an actual calculation must be
> performed, even when that doesn't necessarily make sense
> in context. I believe that if its a number it should be
> treated as a number unless there is a very compelling
> reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate,
> >you should use text.  And that a number data type
> >requires additional resources in order for the field to
> >have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:18:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:18:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227327@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because it's
looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored as
a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
range!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:22:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:22:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227328@main2.marlow.com>

I disagree.  Actually, I agree, because there is NEVER a situation where a
field of numbers is not going to have math applied to it.  Let's not forget
that our computers are nothing but math and logic.  Therefore, any data
manipulation requires math.

If you have a field, that is going to have numeric values, MAKE IT A NUMERIC
FIELD?  What possible advantage is there in making it a text field?  Now, if
it may contain alpha characters, or non-alphanumeric characters, then of
course make it a text field.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Stewart [mailto:rl_stewart at highstream.net]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type


List,

Simple rule...

If you are not going to do math with it, store it as text,
except when using it as a dumb primary key/foreign key.

All of the reason cited in the posts are correct.  But
if you need a list of numbers stored as text sorted
properly, just pad it with 0 or space on the left side.
Everything will be sorted correctly.

The reason the keys should stay numeric is the speed of
the search for a record.  It is a few milliseconds faster.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:47:57 -0700
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>
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>Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
>numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
>kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
>in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
>into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
>treating such an entry as a number?
>
>I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:32:06 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:32:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227329@main2.marlow.com>

Try this...	

Public Declare Function DestroyWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long) As
Long

Function fDestroyWindow(WindowName As String)
On Error GoTo erlevel
Dim winHwnd As Long
Dim RetVal As Long
winHwnd = FindWindow(vbNullString, WindowName)
If winHwnd <> 0 Then
RetVal = DestroyWindow(winHwnd)
End If
erlevel:
End Function

It's probably not the best method.....I know there are API's to kill
threads, but this was in an old project of mine, so it was the first thing I
had handy.

Drew

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From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager


Hello All,

Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can call from A97 to

kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?

Thanks,

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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Tue Oct 14 16:34:20 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:34:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D5D16@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

I seriously doubt that is true.  I would think that if the first digit was
less than 7 or greater than 8, it would immediately stop comparing that
record and go on to the next.

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because it's
looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored as
a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
range!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 16:35:09 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:35:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312382@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In that case, I think you have only one choice, which is changing the
default printer temporarily and then changing it back.  An MDE isn't
going to let you open a report in design view, which is what you have to
do in order to change the printer and then save it.  Maybe someone else
has had success using the report's printers collection in an mde, but I
haven't tried it.

How were you planning to insure that the specific printer is available
to the target system?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


Sorry, I am using office XP and I be compling the application into an
mde.
 
Thanks in advance!

Dale

Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:

	You didn't mention the version of Access. AXP has a printers
	collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls
to get
	printer information. Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you
have to
	change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if
you have
	an MDE. Can you fill in some of the details?
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
	
	
	I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that
may or
	may not be the user's default printer.
	
	Does anyone know how to do this using code.
	
	Thanks in advance!
	
	Dale
	
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 14 16:40:48 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:40:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB874@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3F8CFA00.7718.5A59DC@localhost>

On 14 Oct 2003 at 16:25, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Oleg_123,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your
> suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When the
> format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a time
> component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative implications?
> Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in criteria?  I hope
> not...
> 


The display format doesn't have any effect on the underlying data so 
won't affect date calculations. 

It can however mislead you into making errors in you criteria.

If you are displaying Date/Time records just as a date, you may be 
fooled into thinking that they only contain date info.  If the 
underlying data is "15 Oct 2003 07:30",  you will not get a match if 
you filter for Date = "15 Oct 2003"

If you only want the date part, you should strip off any fractional 
(time)  part when importing the data using Int() 

 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:43:09 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:43:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732A@main2.marlow.com>

How many records are we talking about, maximum?  There is an easy way to do
this in JET if you don't have too many field to deal with. (It would need to
be under the max number of fields you can have in a query)
 
Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


 
This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



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From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:43:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] subform loaded
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732B@main2.marlow.com>

Do you mean detecting if a form is a subform, or if a subform control has a
subform in it?
 
Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:29 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] subform loaded


Does anyone know how to tell if a subform is loaded or not?
 
Thanks!
 
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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Tue Oct 14 16:48:38 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:48:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return
In-Reply-To: <200310141407.h9EE7G1M024591@vger.vgernet.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3929c$f08ef500$3f320cd8@hargrove.internal>

DoCmd.Restore

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Database Administrator
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2893 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Form to Link and return


When I go from a form to a link and 
then return the form is minimized and 
at the bottom of the screen. Does 
anyone know how to automatically have 
the original form go back to the 
maximized state after the link is 
closed?
Thanks in advance
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 16:49:10 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:49:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732C@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, but narrow the search down.  It is still going to take longer to
compare a string with two strings then to compare numbers.  Even comparing
the first character is going to take longer then comparing numbers.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria
[mailto:Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


I seriously doubt that is true.  I would think that if the first digit was
less than 7 or greater than 8, it would immediately stop comparing that
record and go on to the next.

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because it's
looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored as
a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
range!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
treating such an entry as a number?

I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.

Susan H.


> That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> number field needing "additional resources", especially
> for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> number types may take additional storage space as compared
> to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> think of a resource reason.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
>   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Tue Oct 14 17:01:37 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:01:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312382@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003501c3929e$bed27ee0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Take a look at the 9/24/03 article at
http://www.augsd.org/Articles.html.  It is titled "Using the new
Printers Collection to control printing in an MDE".

Doug




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


In that case, I think you have only one choice, which is changing the
default printer temporarily and then changing it back.  An MDE isn't
going to let you open a report in design view, which is what you have to
do in order to change the printer and then save it.  Maybe someone else
has had success using the report's printers collection in an mde, but I
haven't tried it.

How were you planning to insure that the specific printer is available
to the target system?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer


Sorry, I am using office XP and I be compling the application into an
mde.
 
Thanks in advance!

Dale

Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:

	You didn't mention the version of Access. AXP has a printers
	collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls
to get
	printer information. Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you
have to
	change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if
you have
	an MDE. Can you fill in some of the details?
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
	
	
	I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that
may or
	may not be the user's default printer.
	
	Does anyone know how to do this using code.
	
	Thanks in advance!
	
	Dale
	
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 17:20:56 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:20:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB878@nnse14.nns.com>

I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
"glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".


Mark



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From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 17:34:27 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:34:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB879@nnse14.nns.com>

Thank you so much Stuart.  You are absolutely right.  Even a right click
'filter by selection' will not result in matches for the same date because
of the time differences.  I've never used Int() with dates before and could
not find an example in MSDN.  Can you provide an example syntax?

TIA,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access


On 14 Oct 2003 at 16:25, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Oleg_123,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your 
> suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When 
> the format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a 
> time component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative 
> implications? Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in 
> criteria?  I hope not...
> 


The display format doesn't have any effect on the underlying data so 
won't affect date calculations. 

It can however mislead you into making errors in you criteria.

If you are displaying Date/Time records just as a date, you may be 
fooled into thinking that they only contain date info.  If the 
underlying data is "15 Oct 2003 07:30",  you will not get a match if 
you filter for Date = "15 Oct 2003"

If you only want the date part, you should strip off any fractional 
(time)  part when importing the data using Int() 

 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 14 17:50:29 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:50:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732E@main2.marlow.com>

What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join between
the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the other
fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
"glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us



 


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 18:02:22 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:02:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312380@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <02bd01c392a7$39ddb250$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Charlotte:

Not completely confused.  Partially. :)

So what I have now is:

Some Code 1

DoCmd.OpenReport "rptX", acVeiwPreview

Some More Code 2

So I would put Some More Code 2 into another module and run it from the
OnClose event of the report?

How do I run that code from the OnClose event of the report?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


> You could use WithEvents from the calling form to open the report and
> trap the Report_OnClose event.  The code in the routine that opens the
> report would end after opening the report, but the local OnClose event
> for the report would trigger whatever code you put into that custom
> routine.  That's the way I normally do it.  Does it sound completely
> confused?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is
> open?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 14 18:06:08 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:06:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB87A@nnse14.nns.com>

Good plan...excellent in fact, but 255 is the max number of fields for a
query.  Take away the sum field that leaves 256 records to search.  Like I
said..."yikes":)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join between
the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the other
fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
"glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us



 


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 14 18:07:33 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:07:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222732E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c392a7$f324ba10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum to
zero?

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


> What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
between
> the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
> create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the
other
> fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
> accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
> little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
> would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
> possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
> records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
> repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
> "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
> To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
> take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the
values
> in the field equal zero.
>
> Example:
>
> MyField
>    5
>   -2
>    7
>   -3
>    6
>
> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
(5, -2, -3).
> I hope someone has something.
>
>
>
> Lonnie Johnson
> ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 18:20:01 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:20:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312389@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Rocky, 

I'm sending you a demo OL that shows you what I mean.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


Charlotte:

Not completely confused.  Partially. :)

So what I have now is:

Some Code 1

DoCmd.OpenReport "rptX", acVeiwPreview

Some More Code 2

So I would put Some More Code 2 into another module and run it from the
OnClose event of the report?

How do I run that code from the OnClose event of the report?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


> You could use WithEvents from the calling form to open the report and 
> trap the Report_OnClose event.  The code in the routine that opens the

> report would end after opening the report, but the local OnClose event

> for the report would trigger whatever code you put into that custom 
> routine.  That's the way I normally do it.  Does it sound completely 
> confused?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is 
> open?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> _______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 14 18:46:22 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:46:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB879@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3F8D176E.25861.CD5206@localhost>

On 14 Oct 2003 at 18:34, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Thank you so much Stuart.  You are absolutely right.  Even a right click
> 'filter by selection' will not result in matches for the same date because
> of the time differences.  I've never used Int() with dates before and could
> not find an example in MSDN.  Can you provide an example syntax?
> 

Since date/times are actually stored as a double with the whole 
number represents the date and the fractional part represents the 
time, using Int() will truncate to just the date part.

For existing data:
Docmd.RunSQL "Update myTable Set MyDate = Int(MyDate)"

Importing a CSV into a table:
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
DIm strA as string, strB as String,strC as String, strD as String
Set rs = CurrentDB.Openrecordset("MyTable")
Open "MyFile.CSV" for Input as #1
While Not EOF(1)
	Line Input #1, strA,StrB,StrC,strD
     rs.Addnew
     rs!MyNumber = Val(StrA) 
     rs!MyString = StrB
     rs!MyDateTime = Val(StrC)
     rs!MyDate = Int(Val(StrD))
     rs.Update
Wend
Close #1





 
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Support.




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 18:58:59 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:58:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312389@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <02f101c392af$2296dbf0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Charlotte:

Got it. It works!  Thanks so much.

It didn't at first until I saw your comment that the report has to have a
module for it to work.  So I put in blank procedures for Open, Close, and
NoData ad it worked.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


> Rocky,
>
> I'm sending you a demo OL that shows you what I mean.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Not completely confused.  Partially. :)
>
> So what I have now is:
>
> Some Code 1
>
> DoCmd.OpenReport "rptX", acVeiwPreview
>
> Some More Code 2
>
> So I would put Some More Code 2 into another module and run it from the
> OnClose event of the report?
>
> How do I run that code from the OnClose event of the report?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
>
>
> > You could use WithEvents from the calling form to open the report and
> > trap the Report_OnClose event.  The code in the routine that opens the
>
> > report would end after opening the report, but the local OnClose event
>
> > for the report would trigger whatever code you put into that custom
> > routine.  That's the way I normally do it.  Does it sound completely
> > confused?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is
> > open?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Tue Oct 14 19:25:25 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:25:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c392b2$d3d520e0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

I actually did some research on this a long time ago (>35 years) in
preparation for the computer typesetting of the British telephone
directories.  Some particular things I do recall - at least in British usage
- are:

- 'Mc' is *always* followed by a capital, but 'Mac' is *not*:  both
Macdonald and MacDonald are common, for instance.
- I think that an apostrophe was always followed by a capital.
- Likewise the letter after a hyphen.
- The letter before an apostrophe was most commonly capital 'O' of course,
but lowercase 'd' also occurred;  there are others, too, normally capitals.
- It's 'van' if you're from Belgium, but 'Van' from Holland - unless I've
forgotten and it's the opposite!

There were other rules too, but perhaps the most important one was that many
of the rules had exceptions.  There are even some surnames (very few) that
don't begin with a capital at all.

The most important part of my program was probably the human override
button.  ;->

HTH.  I hope you find a good compromise solution.

John  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: 14 October 2003 17:41
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
> 
> 
> Hey Group,
> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following 
> formats McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc 
> or Mac respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe 
> if first letter in word is "O")
> 
>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and 
> "de" varies. Am I missing anything ?
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------
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> http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 14 19:27:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:27:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Oh, yeah.  And then there are names like de la Something!  

Charlotte  Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


I actually did some research on this a long time ago (>35 years) in
preparation for the computer typesetting of the British telephone
directories.  Some particular things I do recall - at least in British
usage
- are:

- 'Mc' is *always* followed by a capital, but 'Mac' is *not*:  both
Macdonald and MacDonald are common, for instance.
- I think that an apostrophe was always followed by a capital.
- Likewise the letter after a hyphen.
- The letter before an apostrophe was most commonly capital 'O' of
course, but lowercase 'd' also occurred;  there are others, too,
normally capitals.
- It's 'van' if you're from Belgium, but 'Van' from Holland - unless
I've forgotten and it's the opposite!

There were other rules too, but perhaps the most important one was that
many of the rules had exceptions.  There are even some surnames (very
few) that don't begin with a capital at all.

The most important part of my program was probably the human override
button.  ;->

HTH.  I hope you find a good compromise solution.

John  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: 14 October 2003 17:41
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
> 
> 
> Hey Group,
> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following
> formats McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc 
> or Mac respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe 
> if first letter in word is "O")
> 
>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and
> "de" varies. Am I missing anything ?
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
> http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 13 19:35:51 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:35:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE07A@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIDCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Brett:

Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years,  with extensive
help, I may be able to get over a sever case of unicod-a-phobia.

Jim
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


  I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an excellent article
on Unicode and character encoding:

  The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must
Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!)
  Brett Barabash, MCP
  Tappe Construction, Co.
  Eagan, MN
  bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
  (651) 256-6831

  "One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a
cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey




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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct 14 20:17:48 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:17:48 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
In-Reply-To: <003501c3929e$bed27ee0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312382@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031015141600.00b41e18@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

If the report will always be printed to the same printer, then in design 
view select Page Setup, Page tab.  You can select specific printer from 
here, then save the report.  Then create your mde.

David

At 14/10/2003, you wrote:
>Take a look at the 9/24/03 article at
>http://www.augsd.org/Articles.html.  It is titled "Using the new
>Printers Collection to control printing in an MDE".
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:35 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
>
>
>In that case, I think you have only one choice, which is changing the
>default printer temporarily and then changing it back.  An MDE isn't
>going to let you open a report in design view, which is what you have to
>do in order to change the printer and then save it.  Maybe someone else
>has had success using the report's printers collection in an mde, but I
>haven't tried it.
>
>How were you planning to insure that the specific printer is available
>to the target system?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
>
>
>Sorry, I am using office XP and I be compling the application into an
>mde.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Dale
>
>Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>
>         You didn't mention the version of Access. AXP has a printers
>         collection, although even there, I prefer to use the API calls
>to get
>         printer information. Keep in mind, though, that to do this, you
>have to
>         change the design of the report in code, so it doesn't work if
>you have
>         an MDE. Can you fill in some of the details?
>
>         Charlotte Foust
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com]
>         Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:29 PM
>         To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         Subject: [AccessD] print report to a specific printer
>
>
>         I have a report that I need to send to a specific printer, that
>may or
>         may not be the user's default printer.
>
>         Does anyone know how to do this using code.
>
>         Thanks in advance!
>
>         Dale
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 20:19:38 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:19:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1309.24.187.36.171.1066180778.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

"de la" is always lowercase as far as I know.
"Mac" is the biggest problem, like in Macarov "a" is lowercase but in
MacArthur - upper.

> Oh, yeah.  And then there are names like de la Something!
>
> Charlotte  Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>
>
> I actually did some research on this a long time ago (>35 years) in
> preparation for the computer typesetting of the British telephone
> directories.  Some particular things I do recall - at least in British
> usage
> - are:
>
> - 'Mc' is *always* followed by a capital, but 'Mac' is *not*:  both
> Macdonald and MacDonald are common, for instance.
> - I think that an apostrophe was always followed by a capital.
> - Likewise the letter after a hyphen.
> - The letter before an apostrophe was most commonly capital 'O' of
> course, but lowercase 'd' also occurred;  there are others, too,
> normally capitals.
> - It's 'van' if you're from Belgium, but 'Van' from Holland - unless
> I've forgotten and it's the opposite!
>
> There were other rules too, but perhaps the most important one was that
> many of the rules had exceptions.  There are even some surnames (very
> few) that don't begin with a capital at all.
>
> The most important part of my program was probably the human override
> button.  ;->
>
> HTH.  I hope you find a good compromise solution.
>
> John
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: 14 October 2003 17:41
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>>
>>
>> Hey Group,
>> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following
>> formats McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc
>> or Mac respectively) O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe
>> if first letter in word is "O")
>>
>>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
>> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and
>> "de" varies. Am I missing anything ?
>>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 14 20:29:27 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:29:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB879@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB879@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <1342.24.187.36.171.1066181367.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mark, its simply int(date) I gave an example below; however note that it
will automaticly make the date equal 12 midnight of that day. sometimes
its not useful.

Private Sub Command1_Click()
Dim a As Date
Dim b As Date
Dim c As Date
Dim d As Date

a = #12/12/1987 12:06:00 PM#
b = "07/09/2002 07:56:43 AM"

c = Int(a)
d = Int(b)

MsgBox (c) 'will give you 12/12/1987
MsgBox (d) 'will give you 7/9/2002 (not it ignores leading zeros)

 Thank you so much Stuart.  You are absolutely right.  Even a right click
> 'filter by selection' will not result in matches for the same date
> because of the time differences.  I've never used Int() with dates
> before and could not find an example in MSDN.  Can you provide an
> example syntax?
>
> TIA,
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
>
>
> On 14 Oct 2003 at 16:25, Mitsules, Mark wrote:
>
>> Oleg_123,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.  I went ahead and implemented your
>> suggestion...setting the destination field format to Short Date.  When
>>  the format is set to General Date the previous records do not have a
>> time component.  Does the "Short Date" approach have any negative
>> implications? Could it cause any impact to date calculations used in
>> criteria?  I hope not...
>>
>
>
> The display format doesn't have any effect on the underlying data so
> won't affect date calculations.
>
> It can however mislead you into making errors in you criteria.
>
> If you are displaying Date/Time records just as a date, you may be
> fooled into thinking that they only contain date info.  If the
> underlying data is "15 Oct 2003 07:30",  you will not get a match if
> you filter for Date = "15 Oct 2003"
>
> If you only want the date part, you should strip off any fractional
> (time)  part when importing the data using Int()
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 14 20:54:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:54:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIDCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECAFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
internationalization...

LOL.  Not true, I am a HUGE fan of internationalization... where it makes
sense.

I don't suppose I've ever mentioned that I, PERSONALLY, have never needed
it?

<grin>
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:36 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


  Hi Brett:

  Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years,  with
extensive help, I may be able to get over a sever case of unicod-a-phobia.

  Jim
    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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    Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


    I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an excellent article
on Unicode and character encoding:

    The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively
Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!)
    Brett Barabash, MCP
    Tappe Construction, Co.
    Eagan, MN
    bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
    (651) 256-6831

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 14 21:23:23 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:23:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
In-Reply-To: <24059.12.3.132.98.1066149653.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEPCELAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oleg,
Von is not always capitilized. I don't know of any rule but quite often it
is all lowercase. For my ProperCase function I use a lookup table for
exceptions and have a edit form for the totally unusual situations.

HTH
John B.
WinHaven LLC
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:41 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
>
>
> Hey Group,
> I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
> McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac respectively)
> O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")
>
>  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies. Am
> I missing anything ?
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 14 21:35:41 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:35:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEPCELAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c392c5$0694e620$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...same here ...a user updatable lookup table is the only way I know of
handling all of the different situations ...especially differences in
international capitalization and character glyphs ...that's why I
recommended Oleg visit Colby's site to dl Dave Bell's Proper Case sample db
...I use a variation of it in all of my apps. :)

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


> Oleg,
> Von is not always capitilized. I don't know of any rule but quite often it
> is all lowercase. For my ProperCase function I use a lookup table for
> exceptions and have a edit form for the totally unusual situations.
>
> HTH
> John B.
> WinHaven LLC
> :o)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:41 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
> >
> >
> > Hey Group,
> > I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
> > McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac
respectively)
> > O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")
> >
> >  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> > I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies.
Am
> > I missing anything ?
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 14 22:15:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:15:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

As most list old-timers know, I use an Active/Trash system to flag records
that the user tries to delete (which have a child record) as Trash.

Basically I hold that cascade delete is a very powerful tool used mostly for
ripping the guts out of your database by users who shouldn't be doing so.
In order to prevent such shenanigans I rarely if ever turn on cascade
delete.  Since it isn't turned on, when a record delete is attempted (with
child recs), jet generates an error and my form class intercepts the error,
calling my active/trash class to handle the error.

If I don't turn cascade delete on, then I am responsible for making it
appear that the user can delete a record (with child records).  I use two
Boolean flags, Active / Trash to deal with the results.  A record is Active
by default, can be set inactive, or can be set trash either by dbl-clicking
on the trash check box or by the delete error.

I designed this system AGES ago and it has worked flawlessly ever since,
however I decided a few years ago I'd really rather have a single byte /
integer field with different numbers representing the record state.  0 =
Inactive, 1 = Trash, 2 = Active and 3 = Archive (Archive is not included in
my current system).

In order to add in the ability to use a combo I have about decided to add a
new Withevents class to deal with this combo rather than add in the code to
my existing Active/Trash checkbox class.  I decided to do this in order to
make the use of a combo BY ITSELF (bound to an integer field) clean.
However I MAY also want this combo to be able to handle a "retrofit" where
the two flags (active/trash) already exist and I currently use the checkbox
paradigm without the integer field.  In essence the combo would directly
manipulate the underlying checkboxes to "emulate" the use of a single
integer field but in actual fact use a pair of flags.  Unfortunately this
implementation doesn't handle continuous forms well since the combo is not
directly bound, and would display incorrectly in instances where the check
box values differ from rec to rec.

OK, now to the quandary.  I have a Withevents class which handles the two
check boxes, sinking their events and setting / resetting the two values
depending on what is happening.  Again, works fine, lasts a long time, with
proper maintenance (an old Navy saying).  I will have a new class handling
the combo.  I have a control scanner that finds all controls on a form and
loads the appropriate class for each control.  It already works for the
active / trash check boxes, loading that class.  I now have to add in a new
check in the scanner to find and load the class for this new active/trash
combo.

However if the combo exists I want to hide the active / trash checkboxes
(visible false) and then preferably unload their class.  The quandary is
that it is not possible to determine which class will load first, i.e. which
control (combo or check boxes) will the scanner encounter first in its scan
for controls in the form's control collection.  Thus the checkbox class
could load first then the combo class or vice versa.

Each has to check for the existence of the other class in the form class'
control class collection.  If the combo finds the checkbox class in the
collection, it needs to tell the checkbox class to hide it's controls and
then unload itself.  If the checkbox finds the combo class already loaded,
it needs to hide it's controls and then unload itself from the collection.

It seems like this should work, i.e. the only reason the class continues to
exist is that a pointer to the class exists in the form's control class
collection.  Any class should be able to unload itself by finding and
deleting it's pointer in that class collection (which it can get at by the
way since it has a pointer to the form's class).

I am assuming that if a class deletes the last remaining pointer to itself,
then when the code (in its own class) exits, the class would terminate.  I
also assume that the Terminate would run AFTER the currently running code
exists, not at the instruction following deletion of the last pointer?

Does this sound correct?  Anyone care to comment on possible problems,
implementation issues?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 14 23:38:56 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:38:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c392d6$3f463c10$6401a8c0@default>

Hi John,

Instead of having the checkbox class unload, can you
use it's checked status through the combobox class?
It might be as if the combo were bound to the checkboxes
and show properly in the continuous form.

Then you'd only need to hide the checkboxes
and handle the termination of both the checkbox
and combobox classes on form close.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary


> As most list old-timers know, I use an Active/Trash system to flag records
> that the user tries to delete (which have a child record) as Trash.
>
> Basically I hold that cascade delete is a very powerful tool used mostly
for
> ripping the guts out of your database by users who shouldn't be doing so.
> In order to prevent such shenanigans I rarely if ever turn on cascade
> delete.  Since it isn't turned on, when a record delete is attempted (with
> child recs), jet generates an error and my form class intercepts the
error,
> calling my active/trash class to handle the error.
>
> If I don't turn cascade delete on, then I am responsible for making it
> appear that the user can delete a record (with child records).  I use two
> Boolean flags, Active / Trash to deal with the results.  A record is
Active
> by default, can be set inactive, or can be set trash either by
dbl-clicking
> on the trash check box or by the delete error.
>
> I designed this system AGES ago and it has worked flawlessly ever since,
> however I decided a few years ago I'd really rather have a single byte /
> integer field with different numbers representing the record state.  0 =
> Inactive, 1 = Trash, 2 = Active and 3 = Archive (Archive is not included
in
> my current system).
>
> In order to add in the ability to use a combo I have about decided to add
a
> new Withevents class to deal with this combo rather than add in the code
to
> my existing Active/Trash checkbox class.  I decided to do this in order to
> make the use of a combo BY ITSELF (bound to an integer field) clean.
> However I MAY also want this combo to be able to handle a "retrofit" where
> the two flags (active/trash) already exist and I currently use the
checkbox
> paradigm without the integer field.  In essence the combo would directly
> manipulate the underlying checkboxes to "emulate" the use of a single
> integer field but in actual fact use a pair of flags.  Unfortunately this
> implementation doesn't handle continuous forms well since the combo is not
> directly bound, and would display incorrectly in instances where the check
> box values differ from rec to rec.
>
> OK, now to the quandary.  I have a Withevents class which handles the two
> check boxes, sinking their events and setting / resetting the two values
> depending on what is happening.  Again, works fine, lasts a long time,
with
> proper maintenance (an old Navy saying).  I will have a new class handling
> the combo.  I have a control scanner that finds all controls on a form and
> loads the appropriate class for each control.  It already works for the
> active / trash check boxes, loading that class.  I now have to add in a
new
> check in the scanner to find and load the class for this new active/trash
> combo.
>
> However if the combo exists I want to hide the active / trash checkboxes
> (visible false) and then preferably unload their class.  The quandary is
> that it is not possible to determine which class will load first, i.e.
which
> control (combo or check boxes) will the scanner encounter first in its
scan
> for controls in the form's control collection.  Thus the checkbox class
> could load first then the combo class or vice versa.
>
> Each has to check for the existence of the other class in the form class'
> control class collection.  If the combo finds the checkbox class in the
> collection, it needs to tell the checkbox class to hide it's controls and
> then unload itself.  If the checkbox finds the combo class already loaded,
> it needs to hide it's controls and then unload itself from the collection.
>
> It seems like this should work, i.e. the only reason the class continues
to
> exist is that a pointer to the class exists in the form's control class
> collection.  Any class should be able to unload itself by finding and
> deleting it's pointer in that class collection (which it can get at by the
> way since it has a pointer to the form's class).
>
> I am assuming that if a class deletes the last remaining pointer to
itself,
> then when the code (in its own class) exits, the class would terminate.  I
> also assume that the Terminate would run AFTER the currently running code
> exists, not at the instruction following deletion of the last pointer?
>
> Does this sound correct?  Anyone care to comment on possible problems,
> implementation issues?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 14 23:40:41 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:40:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Microsoft releases Office developer tools
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAEOFFCAA.john@winhaven.net>

FYI:
http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5090443.html


From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Oct 15 00:45:35 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:45:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues 
Message-ID: <OF2B601F5E.94FB5445-ONCA256DC0.001E9C17@agric.nsw.gov.au>

Hi all,

I am having more date issues in access. I have searched the archives and 
tried the formatting shown there. I have redone the code several times and 
implemented msgbox popups but to no avail. I now have less hair and am 
considering a return to the chain smoking days of my youth... or putting a 
hit out on Microsoft for the whole America is the world date thing. (I am 
married to an American so I get to whine about it a lot). 

this is the scenario.

It is a simple little database written a few years back and now passed on 
to me because it has problems. (I get all the good jobs)

It has a form for data entry, including a date capture, which works fine, 
as follows:

Private Sub FinalDateCommand_Click()
'this allows user to enter final date in all displayed records by command 
button

On Error GoTo Err_FinalDateCommand_Click
Dim mydb As Database, myset As Recordset
Dim I As Integer
Dim n As Integer
Dim Finished As Date
Dim TSID As Integer
Dim strSQL As String

Set mydb = CurrentDb
Set myset = mydb.OpenRecordset("WorkSheet")

TSID = Forms![worksheet]![TSID]
Finished = Format(Forms![worksheet]![FinalDate], "mm\/dd\/yyyy")

    ' Create SQL string.
    strSQL = "UPDATE worksheet SET finished = #" & Finished & "# WHERE 
tsid = " & TSID
    ' Run action query.
    mydb.Execute strSQL

'refresh the records
    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acRecordsMenu, 5, , acMenuVer70
 
Exit_FinalDateCommand_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_FinalDateCommand_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_FinalDateCommand_Click
 
End Sub

This displays the date in the required format (ie: dd/mm/yy) as per the 
formatting of the box. 
from here however it is stored in a sub form which is displaying the date 
totally reversed (ie: yy/mm/dd).

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)

'store the finished date that you have just entered
finisheddate = Me![Finished]
End Sub

The formatting on the fields in the form is set to shortdate and my PC has 
regional settings for Australia. 

I am really stuck (again) ... I hate Date issues in Access!


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Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 15 01:31:29 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:31:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues 
In-Reply-To: <OF2B601F5E.94FB5445-ONCA256DC0.001E9C17@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <3F8D7661.16377.2403A1B@localhost>

....

Let's take   "1 Feb 03"
> Dim Finished As Date
You have dimmed it as a Date, 
....
> Finished = Format(Forms![worksheet]![FinalDate], "mm\/dd\/yyyy")
> 
Format() creates a Variant containing a string  "02/01/03"
You now poke that into the date variable "Finished". When you do so, 
the system converts the string into a date and uses your regional 
settings so interprets it as "2 Jan 03"

You would have been OK if you had dimmed Finished as String  :-)

>     ' Create SQL string.
>     strSQL = "UPDATE worksheet SET finished = #" & Finished & "# WHERE 
> tsid = " & TSID
>     ' Run action query.
>     mydb.Execute strSQL
> 

 
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Oct 15 07:00:51 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:00:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB87C@nnse14.nns.com>

Stuart, Oleg_123, Thank you.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Import Excel Dates into Access


On 14 Oct 2003 at 18:34, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Thank you so much Stuart.  You are absolutely right.  Even a right 
> click 'filter by selection' will not result in matches for the same 
> date because of the time differences.  I've never used Int() with 
> dates before and could not find an example in MSDN.  Can you provide 
> an example syntax?
> 

Since date/times are actually stored as a double with the whole 
number represents the date and the fractional part represents the 
time, using Int() will truncate to just the date part.

For existing data:
Docmd.RunSQL "Update myTable Set MyDate = Int(MyDate)"

Importing a CSV into a table:
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
DIm strA as string, strB as String,strC as String, strD as String Set rs =
CurrentDB.Openrecordset("MyTable")
Open "MyFile.CSV" for Input as #1
While Not EOF(1)
	Line Input #1, strA,StrB,StrC,strD
     rs.Addnew
     rs!MyNumber = Val(StrA) 
     rs!MyString = StrB
     rs!MyDateTime = Val(StrC)
     rs!MyDate = Int(Val(StrD))
     rs.Update
Wend
Close #1





 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 07:33:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:33:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary
In-Reply-To: <004e01c392d6$3f463c10$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEDDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I could do that, in fact it seems that may be preferable since it already
knows how to toggle the check boxes.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] An interesting quandary


Hi John,

Instead of having the checkbox class unload, can you
use it's checked status through the combobox class?
It might be as if the combo were bound to the checkboxes
and show properly in the continuous form.

Then you'd only need to hide the checkboxes
and handle the termination of both the checkbox
and combobox classes on form close.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting quandary


> As most list old-timers know, I use an Active/Trash system to flag records
> that the user tries to delete (which have a child record) as Trash.
>
> Basically I hold that cascade delete is a very powerful tool used mostly
for
> ripping the guts out of your database by users who shouldn't be doing so.
> In order to prevent such shenanigans I rarely if ever turn on cascade
> delete.  Since it isn't turned on, when a record delete is attempted (with
> child recs), jet generates an error and my form class intercepts the
error,
> calling my active/trash class to handle the error.
>
> If I don't turn cascade delete on, then I am responsible for making it
> appear that the user can delete a record (with child records).  I use two
> Boolean flags, Active / Trash to deal with the results.  A record is
Active
> by default, can be set inactive, or can be set trash either by
dbl-clicking
> on the trash check box or by the delete error.
>
> I designed this system AGES ago and it has worked flawlessly ever since,
> however I decided a few years ago I'd really rather have a single byte /
> integer field with different numbers representing the record state.  0 =
> Inactive, 1 = Trash, 2 = Active and 3 = Archive (Archive is not included
in
> my current system).
>
> In order to add in the ability to use a combo I have about decided to add
a
> new Withevents class to deal with this combo rather than add in the code
to
> my existing Active/Trash checkbox class.  I decided to do this in order to
> make the use of a combo BY ITSELF (bound to an integer field) clean.
> However I MAY also want this combo to be able to handle a "retrofit" where
> the two flags (active/trash) already exist and I currently use the
checkbox
> paradigm without the integer field.  In essence the combo would directly
> manipulate the underlying checkboxes to "emulate" the use of a single
> integer field but in actual fact use a pair of flags.  Unfortunately this
> implementation doesn't handle continuous forms well since the combo is not
> directly bound, and would display incorrectly in instances where the check
> box values differ from rec to rec.
>
> OK, now to the quandary.  I have a Withevents class which handles the two
> check boxes, sinking their events and setting / resetting the two values
> depending on what is happening.  Again, works fine, lasts a long time,
with
> proper maintenance (an old Navy saying).  I will have a new class handling
> the combo.  I have a control scanner that finds all controls on a form and
> loads the appropriate class for each control.  It already works for the
> active / trash check boxes, loading that class.  I now have to add in a
new
> check in the scanner to find and load the class for this new active/trash
> combo.
>
> However if the combo exists I want to hide the active / trash checkboxes
> (visible false) and then preferably unload their class.  The quandary is
> that it is not possible to determine which class will load first, i.e.
which
> control (combo or check boxes) will the scanner encounter first in its
scan
> for controls in the form's control collection.  Thus the checkbox class
> could load first then the combo class or vice versa.
>
> Each has to check for the existence of the other class in the form class'
> control class collection.  If the combo finds the checkbox class in the
> collection, it needs to tell the checkbox class to hide it's controls and
> then unload itself.  If the checkbox finds the combo class already loaded,
> it needs to hide it's controls and then unload itself from the collection.
>
> It seems like this should work, i.e. the only reason the class continues
to
> exist is that a pointer to the class exists in the form's control class
> collection.  Any class should be able to unload itself by finding and
> deleting it's pointer in that class collection (which it can get at by the
> way since it has a pointer to the form's class).
>
> I am assuming that if a class deletes the last remaining pointer to
itself,
> then when the code (in its own class) exits, the class would terminate.  I
> also assume that the Terminate would run AFTER the currently running code
> exists, not at the instruction following deletion of the last pointer?
>
> Does this sound correct?  Anyone care to comment on possible problems,
> implementation issues?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Oct 15 07:51:37 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:51:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a
    form.
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0455@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Yes I realized that after I sent this.  Maybe Erwin is having trouble with the correct syntax for using an ocx this way.  Should be libraryname.class name as in:

Dim oMyObject as MyLibrary.MyClass

or a common use I've seen is with the Winsock libary:

Private WithEvents wscControl As MSWinsockLib.Winsock

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on
a form.


If events are used, then they need to be in a Class Module.  Forms are Class
modules, so they can handle the events, but you can use just a plain class
module to reference an activeX control with events.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on
a form.


Don't controls (ActiveX or otherwise) always need a host (form)?  How is it
possible in VB?

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Load ActiveX control in VBA instead of putting on a form.



I tought it was posible to load an activex control in VBA so a form is not
needed.
I cant seem to find the right command for this.
Maybe I'm mistaking that this is only posible in VB.



Erwin Craps
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 15 08:37:41 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:37:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77CE@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
stop :-)

One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be considered
is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
identifier might change?

To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus four
digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier. In
other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.

As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to compare
a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If my
mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And it's
just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.



Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
> code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
> the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> it's
> looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> as
> a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> range!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> treating such an entry as a number?
> 
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 08:49:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:49:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Oct 15 09:01:09 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:01:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C629157@natexch.jenkens.com>

Can you make a rule that everthing in that folder should be marked as read?

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:49 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 15 09:37:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:37:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <18430070779.20031015163716@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I
> need to take a field in a group of records and see if any
> combination of the values in the field equal zero.  

> Example:

> MyField
>    5
>   -2
>    7
>   -3
>    6

> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5,
> -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 

Watch out - long post.

It can be done in Jet if you limit the number of rows to about six.
The actual number depends on your machine power and client patience.


1. Source table, tblAmount.

I've added one more row to obtain two solutions for a zero sum:

ID      Amount
1        5,00
2       -2,00
3        7,00
4       -3,00
5        6,00
6       -1,00


2. Create a query which returns all rows included and excluded:

<SQL>

  SELECT
    ID,
    True As Include,
    Amount
  FROM
    tblAmount
  UNION ALL
  SELECT
    ID,
    False As Include,
    0 As Amount
  FROM
    tblAmount;

</SQL>

Save this as qdyAmountInclude.

This will return twelve rows:

ID     Include Amount
1      -1       5,00
1       0       0,00
2      -1      -2,00
2       0       0,00
3      -1       7,00
3       0       0,00
4      -1      -3,00
4       0       0,00
5      -1       6,00
5       0       0,00
6      -1      -1,00
6       0       0,00


3. Create a query which multiplies the above query six fold to obtain
all combinations of exluded and included rows:

<SQL>

  SELECT
    T1.ID, T1.Include, T1.Amount,
    T2.ID, T2.Include, T2.Amount,
    T3.ID, T3.Include, T3.Amount,
    T4.ID, T4.Include, T4.Amount,
    T5.ID, T5.Include, T5.Amount,
    T6.ID, T6.Include, T6.Amount
  FROM
    qdyAmountInclude AS T1,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T2,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T3,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T4,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T5,
    qdyAmountInclude AS T6;

</SQL>

Save it as qdyAmountCombine.
Run it if you like - but it will return about 3 mio. records ...


4. Create a query which allows to filter and group on only those
records interesting.
To do so, a bitmap is set up which uniquely identify a combination of
rows from tblAmount no matter the sequence of the selected rows.

By decoding the bitmap the included rows of tblAmount is shown.

<SQL>

  SELECT DISTINCT
    ([T1]![Include]*2^([T1]![ID]-1))+
    ([T2]![Include]*2^([T2]![ID]-1))+
    ([T3]![Include]*2^([T3]![ID]-1))+
    ([T4]![Include]*2^([T4]![ID]-1))+
    ([T5]![Include]*2^([T5]![ID]-1))+
    ([T6]![Include]*2^([T6]![ID]-1)) AS Combination,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^1)\2^(1-1) AS ID1,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^2)\2^(2-1) AS ID2,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^3)\2^(3-1) AS ID3,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^4)\2^(4-1) AS ID4,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^5)\2^(5-1) AS ID5,
    ([Combination] Mod 2^6)\2^(6-1) AS ID6
  FROM
    qdyAmountCombine AS Tn
  WHERE
    ((([T1]![Include]*2^([T1]![ID]-1))+
      ([T2]![Include]*2^([T2]![ID]-1))+
      ([T3]![Include]*2^([T3]![ID]-1))+
      ([T4]![Include]*2^([T4]![ID]-1))+
      ([T5]![Include]*2^([T5]![ID]-1))+
      ([T6]![Include]*2^([T6]![ID]-1))<>0)
    AND (
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T5]![ID] And
      (Tn.T1.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T5]![ID] And
      (Tn.T2.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T5]![ID] And
      (Tn.T3.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T5]![ID] And
      (Tn.T4.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T5.ID)<>[T6]![ID])
    AND (
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T1]![ID] And
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T2]![ID] And
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T3]![ID] And
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T4]![ID] And
      (Tn.T6.ID)<>[T5]![ID])
    AND (
      [T1]![Amount]+
      [T2]![Amount]+
      [T3]![Amount]+
      [T4]![Amount]+
      [T5]![Amount]+
      [T6]![Amount]=0));

</SQL>

Save this as qdyAmountZero.
Run it and note that it runs surprisingly fast.

It should return two rows:

Combination  ID1     ID2     ID3     ID4     ID5     ID6
-58           0      -1       0      -1      -1      -1
-11          -1      -1       0      -1       0       0

where the number if ID, say ID4, identifies the ID of the row of
tblAmount.


5. Now, create a query to display the possible selection(s).

<SQL>

  SELECT
    Abs([Combination]) AS Selection,
    tblAmount.ID,
    tblAmount.Amount
  FROM
    qdyAmountZero,
    tblAmount
  GROUP BY
    Abs([Combination]),
    tblAmount.ID,
    tblAmount.Amount,
    qdyAmountZero.ID1,
    qdyAmountZero.ID2,
    qdyAmountZero.ID3,
    qdyAmountZero.ID4,
    qdyAmountZero.ID5,
    qdyAmountZero.ID6
  HAVING
    (tblAmount.ID=1 AND qdyAmountZero.ID1=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=2 AND qdyAmountZero.ID2=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=3 AND qdyAmountZero.ID3=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=4 AND qdyAmountZero.ID4=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=5 AND qdyAmountZero.ID5=True)
    OR
    (tblAmount.ID=6 AND qdyAmountZero.ID6=True)
  ORDER BY
    Abs([Combination]),
    tblAmount.ID;

</SQL>

This will display the (here two) selections and their associated rows
in a useful way: 

Selection    ID      Amount
11           1        5,00
11           2       -2,00
11           4       -3,00
58           2       -2,00
58           4       -3,00
58           5        6,00
58           6       -1,00

For a real life application you would need to add some prefiltering
like those I have mentioned before like excluding positive values
exceeding the sum of the negative values and vice versa.

Have fun!

/gustav


From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Wed Oct 15 09:45:53 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:45:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825DA@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>


Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
Update.

We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
  
 mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
  WHERE item_id = 16;"

Thanks

jack

From rgilimited at btconnect.com  Wed Oct 15 09:51:21 2003
From: rgilimited at btconnect.com (Robin Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:51:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3932b$cd680910$5373a8c0@local>

John,
If you're already manipulating the messages through VBA using Outlook
Object the messages have a read/unread property which can be set
Rgds
Robin 



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it
doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol
in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new
mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 15 09:56:20 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:56:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
Message-ID: <2289292.1066229780965.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

I think you have to run UPDATES via the DataConnection.Execute like below, can't remember the exact code but should get you started.
Dim DBConn As ADODB.Connection
Dim mySql As String
mySql =  "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now() 
WHERE item_id = 16" 

set the DBConn with the connection string to the desired database then.
DBConn.Execute(mySql)
Paul




Message date : Oct 15 2003, 03:49 PM 
>From : Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update 

Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the 
sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no 
Update. 

We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation 

mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now() 
WHERE item_id = 16;" 

Thanks 

jack 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 10:00:29 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:00:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
In-Reply-To: <000001c3932b$cd680910$5373a8c0@local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDMFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

All that does is cause the message to not be highlighted.  What I am talking
about is the little envelope in the WINDOWS status bar that appears whenever
a new mail arrives.  I am being notified that new SPAM has arrived (not
useful and VERY distracting).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robin Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


John,
If you're already manipulating the messages through VBA using Outlook
Object the messages have a read/unread property which can be set
Rgds
Robin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it
doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol
in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new
mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Oct 15 10:22:57 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:22:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query
In-Reply-To: <18430070779.20031015163716@cactus.dk>
References: <20031014173037.74454.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
        <18430070779.20031015163716@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <49884.12.3.132.98.1066231377.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Using sql code how can make a field in a query to always equal a word
"Executive" ? (not coming from a table, the rest of the query is)


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 10:27:09 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:27:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDOFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 10:34:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:34:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.  I've wrestled with
the peculiarities occasioned by their respective settings enough to make
sure it's applied to all our applications, no matter where they're being
marketed.  Our clients have a habit of opening new rigs in unexpected
places.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


>I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of 
>internationalization...
 
LOL.  Not true, I am a HUGE fan of internationalization... where it
makes sense.  
 
I don't suppose I've ever mentioned that I, PERSONALLY, have never
needed it?
 
<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
	Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:36 PM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
	
	
	Hi Brett:
	 
	Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years,
with extensive help, I may be able to get over a sever case of
unicod-a-phobia. 
	 
	Jim

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
		Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
		
		
		I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not
big fans of internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an
excellent article on Unicode and character encoding:
		 
		The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No
Excuses!) <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html> 

		Brett Barabash, MCP 
		Tappe Construction, Co. 
		Eagan, MN 
		bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com 
		(651) 256-6831 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 10:36:41 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:36:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

SELECT "Executive" As Expr1, Field1, Field2 FROM MyTable

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query


Using sql code how can make a field in a query to always equal a word
"Executive" ? (not coming from a table, the rest of the query is)


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 15 10:48:56 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:48:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDOFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00de01c39333$db98b860$6401a8c0@default>

John,

There is one in here, I believe
http://www.mvps.org/access/downloads/Explorer.zip
or go to
http://www.mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo


> Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
> combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 10:51:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:51:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEEAFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.

Nope.  Get a lot in Pennsylvania, and New York, and Connecticut.  Which
often seem like they are furriners.

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.  I've wrestled with
the peculiarities occasioned by their respective settings enough to make
sure it's applied to all our applications, no matter where they're being
marketed.  Our clients have a habit of opening new rigs in unexpected
places.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


>I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of
>internationalization...

LOL.  Not true, I am a HUGE fan of internationalization... where it
makes sense.

I don't suppose I've ever mentioned that I, PERSONALLY, have never
needed it?

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
	Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:36 PM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


	Hi Brett:

	Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years,
with extensive help, I may be able to get over a sever case of
unicod-a-phobia.

	Jim

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
		Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


		I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not
big fans of internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an
excellent article on Unicode and character encoding:

		The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No
Excuses!) <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html>

		Brett Barabash, MCP
		Tappe Construction, Co.
		Eagan, MN
		bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
		(651) 256-6831

		"One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is
be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey





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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 11:02:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:02:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
In-Reply-To: <00de01c39333$db98b860$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEBFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks Mike, I'll take a look.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] File list to combo


John,

There is one in here, I believe
http://www.mvps.org/access/downloads/Explorer.zip
or go to
http://www.mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm

Michael R. Mattys
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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo


> Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
> combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 11:07:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:07:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631238F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

When you have to handle number formats that use comma as the decimal
delimiter and period (Croatia) or space (France) as the digit grouping
delimiter, you quickly discover the beauties of internationalization
even without dealing with different date formats and delimiters.  Once
it's in place (a painful process, I must admit), it takes care of the
translation if needed and can be safely ignored if it isn't needed.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


>Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.

Nope.  Get a lot in Pennsylvania, and New York, and Connecticut.  Which
often seem like they are furriners.

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


Don't get any clients in Croatia, then, or France.  I've wrestled with
the peculiarities occasioned by their respective settings enough to make
sure it's applied to all our applications, no matter where they're being
marketed.  Our clients have a habit of opening new rigs in unexpected
places.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


>I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not big fans of 
>internationalization...

LOL.  Not true, I am a HUGE fan of internationalization... where it
makes sense.

I don't suppose I've ever mentioned that I, PERSONALLY, have never
needed it?

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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	Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:36 PM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


	Hi Brett:

	Looks like an excellent article :-)...maybe in a few years, with
extensive help, I may be able to get over a sever case of
unicod-a-phobia.

	Jim

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		Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:25 AM
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		Subject: [AccessD] OT: A sore subject but a good read


		I know that certain individuals (well, ok, JC) are not
big fans of internationalization, but Joel on Software just added an
excellent article on Unicode and character encoding:

		The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer
Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No
Excuses!) <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html>

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From backroad at idir.net  Wed Oct 15 11:07:40 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:07:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
References: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825DA@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <00fc01c39336$76ddf2c0$6501a8c0@Julie>

Hi Jack,

Not sure what you're trying to do here, but I don't believe you can open a
recordset with an UPDATE sql statement; since recordsets simply present you
with requested data for review, processing, whatever.

If you simply want to run the Update SQL so that the records get updated,
you can use "DoCmd.RunSQL mySQL".  HTH.

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:45 AM
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update


>
> Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
> sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
> Update.
>
> We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
>
>  mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
>   WHERE item_id = 16;"
>
> Thanks
>
> jack
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From rgilimited at btconnect.com  Wed Oct 15 11:07:02 2003
From: rgilimited at btconnect.com (Robin Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:07:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDMFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c39336$5f319d70$5373a8c0@local>

John,
Should've known you'd have thought of that.....

Sounds like you've gone so far you might as well go the whole hog and
construct a decent replacement for Outlook..... (no me too's yet please)

Rgds
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 16:00
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


All that does is cause the message to not be highlighted.  What I am
talking
about is the little envelope in the WINDOWS status bar that appears
whenever
a new mail arrives.  I am being notified that new SPAM has arrived (not
useful and VERY distracting).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robin Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


John,
If you're already manipulating the messages through VBA using Outlook
Object the messages have a read/unread property which can be set
Rgds
Robin



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it
doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol
in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new
mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:16:17 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:16:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227332@main2.marlow.com>

JET runs every possible combination when you don't give it something to JOIN
with.  That forces the all combination loop.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem


...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum to
zero?

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


> What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
between
> the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
> create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the
other
> fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
> accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
> little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
> would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
> possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
> records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
> repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
> "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
> To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
> take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the
values
> in the field equal zero.
>
> Example:
>
> MyField
>    5
>   -2
>    7
>   -3
>    6
>
> This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
(5, -2, -3).
> I hope someone has something.
>
>
>
> Lonnie Johnson
> ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:17:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:17:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227333@main2.marlow.com>

That leave 254 records to search, but that's a LOT of combinations.  I
wouldn't think the check would need more then 20 or 30 records.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


Good plan...excellent in fact, but 255 is the max number of fields for a
query.  Take away the sum field that leaves 256 records to search.  Like I
said..."yikes":)


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join between
the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the other
fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution
would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
"glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem


This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to
take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values
in the field equal zero.

Example:

MyField
   5
  -2
   7
  -3
   6

This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3).
I hope someone has something. 



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us



 


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 11:17:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:17:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received
In-Reply-To: <000e01c39336$5f319d70$5373a8c0@local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEECFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  I use Outlook because my customers do.  Kinda like Access.

I ran across SpamBayes for Outlook which is a Bayesian Spam filter add-on
for Outlook.  Works very well.  I guess I'll contact the authors and see
what they say.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robin Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


John,
Should've known you'd have thought of that.....

Sounds like you've gone so far you might as well go the whole hog and
construct a decent replacement for Outlook..... (no me too's yet please)

Rgds
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 16:00
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


All that does is cause the message to not be highlighted.  What I am
talking
about is the little envelope in the WINDOWS status bar that appears
whenever
a new mail arrives.  I am being notified that new SPAM has arrived (not
useful and VERY distracting).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robin Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


John,
If you're already manipulating the messages through VBA using Outlook
Object the messages have a read/unread property which can be set
Rgds
Robin



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 15 October 2003 14:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook: Marking messages received


I have a VERY effective spam filter now that works directly inside of
Access.  It moves all spam messages to a spam directory, however it
doesn't
directly mark them read, so I see the little "message received" symbol
in
the toolbar whenever I get spam.  Is there any way to cause any messages
coming into a specific directory to be marked as read so that the new
mail
indicator in the toolbar doesn't appear for those messages?

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:26:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:26:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227335@main2.marlow.com>

Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
(and all 'search' routines) would still work.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
stop :-)

One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be considered
is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
identifier might change?

To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus four
digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier. In
other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.

As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to compare
a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If my
mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And it's
just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.



Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit Zip
> code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses in
> the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> it's
> looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> as
> a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> range!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> treating such an entry as a number?
> 
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:28:24 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:28:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227336@main2.marlow.com>

SELECT "Executive" AS MyField, NormalField
FROM tblMyTable

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:23 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] set field in a query


Using sql code how can make a field in a query to always equal a word
"Executive" ? (not coming from a table, the rest of the query is)


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 11:30:07 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:30:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227337@main2.marlow.com>

All the files in a folder, or all the files on a drive, including
subfolders?

If it's just in a folder, use the Dir statement.  Use the callback function,
on the initialize 'code', just create a collection.  Then add the file names
to the collection, using Dir().  When you are done, the Count of the
collection is the number of files, and you can just fill the combo from the
collection.  I can whip it up real quick if you want.

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo


Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 11:34:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:34:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312390@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Action queries like update or append do not return recordsets.  You can
execute them using ADO, but you can't make them return rows.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca [mailto:Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update



Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
Update.

We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
  
 mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
  WHERE item_id = 16;"

Thanks

jack
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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Wed Oct 15 11:49:30 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:49:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update -Thanks
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825E0@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Thanks all for the quick responses.
We could do the execute or or runsql
but didn't understand why we could not do the openrecordset with update.
Makes sense now.

Thanks all.

jack

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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:35 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update


Action queries like update or append do not return recordsets.  You can
execute them using ADO, but you can't make them return rows.

Charlotte Foust

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update



Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
Update.

We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
  
 mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
  WHERE item_id = 16;"

Thanks

jack
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed Oct 15 12:17:28 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:17:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO OpenRecordest with Update
Message-ID: <OFA8B1A79D.429AB3A0-ON86256DC0.005E90BD-86256DC0.005EFBAC@nc.us.bank-dns.com>




What you need to do with the ADO is something similar to the following:

Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim cmdtext As String

con = setconnection
con.Open

cmdtext = "UPDATE tblRatingAgencies"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " SET"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblRatingAgencies.[AgencyName] = '" &
Me.txtAgencyName & "'"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " WHERE (((tblRatingAgencies.AgencyNumber)=" &
Forms![frmRatingAgencies]![frmRatingAgencies-SubForm]![txtAgencyNumber] &
"));"

MsgBox cmdtext

rs.Open cmdtext, con

con.Close

Also you might want to take a look at the actual SQL string you are
passing.  Just uncomment out the indicated line and a message box will
dispaly your actual SQL.

HTH

-Jeff

>
> Is it possible to have an ADO openrecordset ("sql_string") where the
> sql_string is an UPDATE statement? I see examples with SELECTs but no
> Update.
>
> We are getting error 3219 Invalid Operation
>
>  mySql = "UPDATE MyTable SET item_ref_date = Now()
>   WHERE item_id = 16;"
>
> Thanks
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 15 12:32:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:32:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227332@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000601c39342$585e3740$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...one record against another ...but afaik, not multiple combinations of 2,
3, 4, 5, etc

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem


> JET runs every possible combination when you don't give it something to
JOIN
> with.  That forces the all combination loop.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:08 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> ...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
> lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum
to
> zero?
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem
>
>
> > What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
> between
> > the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
> > create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the
> other
> > fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem
> >
> >
> > I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would
> > accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a
> > little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a
solution
> > would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
> > possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
> > records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
> > repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
> > "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
> > To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
> >
> >
> > This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need
to
> > take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the
> values
> > in the field equal zero.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > MyField
> >    5
> >   -2
> >    7
> >   -3
> >    6
> >
> > This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
> (5, -2, -3).
> > I hope someone has something.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lonnie Johnson
> > ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> > Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Oct 15 13:05:34 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Execute Excel macro from Acess
In-Reply-To: <000601c39342$585e3740$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
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        <000601c39342$585e3740$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
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Is that possible without opening the Excel file ?


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 15 13:46:52 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:46:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Ah but...

one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, but
it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.

As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db I
threw together.

Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.

The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...

Sub testSearch()
Dim n As Long
Dim s As String
    
Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
Dim TextSearchTime As Single
Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
Dim x As Long
Dim strHits As Long
Dim intHits As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim rs As Recordset
Dim sCriteria As String
    Randomize
    Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
    For x = 1 To 1000
        With rs
            n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
            s = CStr(n)

            sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
            NumericSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            NumericSearchEnd = Timer
            NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
NumericSearchStart)
            sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
            TextSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            TextSearchEnd = Timer
            TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
TextSearchStart)
        End With
    Next x
    rs.Close
    Debug.Print "Average find times"
    Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
    Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000") &
" Hits:" & strHits
    Set db = Nothing
    Set rs = Nothing
End Sub


And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...

Average find times
Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0

As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.

The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search times
steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on here.
But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.

I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
field as well as the string one).

Lambert

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> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
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> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
> (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
> stop :-)
> 
> One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> considered
> is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
> identifier might change?
> 
> To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> four
> digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier.
> In
> other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
> be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
> you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.
> 
> As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> compare
> a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
> search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> my
> mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
> the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
> few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> it's
> just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> 
> 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> Zip
> > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses
> in
> > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> > it's
> > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> > as
> > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> > range!
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > treating such an entry as a number?
> > 
> > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > 
> > Susan H.
> > 
> > 
> > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > think of a resource reason.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 15 14:11:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222733C@main2.marlow.com>

You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only code
for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to modify
also.  

Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.  But
the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
future variables?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Ah but...

one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, but
it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.

As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db I
threw together.

Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.

The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...

Sub testSearch()
Dim n As Long
Dim s As String
    
Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
Dim TextSearchTime As Single
Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
Dim x As Long
Dim strHits As Long
Dim intHits As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim rs As Recordset
Dim sCriteria As String
    Randomize
    Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
    For x = 1 To 1000
        With rs
            n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
            s = CStr(n)

            sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
            NumericSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            NumericSearchEnd = Timer
            NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
NumericSearchStart)
            sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
            TextSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            TextSearchEnd = Timer
            TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
TextSearchStart)
        End With
    Next x
    rs.Close
    Debug.Print "Average find times"
    Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
    Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000") &
" Hits:" & strHits
    Set db = Nothing
    Set rs = Nothing
End Sub


And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...

Average find times
Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0

As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.

The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search times
steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on here.
But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.

I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
field as well as the string one).

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
> (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
> stop :-)
> 
> One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> considered
> is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
> identifier might change?
> 
> To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> four
> digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier.
> In
> other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
> be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
> you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.
> 
> As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> compare
> a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
> search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> my
> mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
> the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
> few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> it's
> just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> 
> 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> Zip
> > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses
> in
> > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> > it's
> > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> > as
> > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> > range!
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > treating such an entry as a number?
> > 
> > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > 
> > Susan H.
> > 
> > 
> > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > think of a resource reason.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From backroad at idir.net  Wed Oct 15 14:18:08 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:18:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity
Message-ID: <007901c39351$30ca6370$6501a8c0@Julie>

Dear AccessD Listers,

I have a small project for a non-U.S./non-Canadian Access97 coder.  We are modifying an existing application so that it can be used by customers outside the U.S. and Canada.  App interface will still be in English, but 'international' version will handle various currencies, address / phone formats, and non-U.S. date formatting.

I'm doing all mods except those required to handle dates properly in SQL.  That is the part being sub-contracted in this project.  The scope of this project involves reviewing all SQL and modifying any that deals with date values, in the manner that has often been discussed on this list:  

Format(dateValue, "mm\/dd\/yyyy")

All modifications of this type should then be tested to ensure proper functionality (primary reason I'm requesting someone outside US/Canada to work on this).

Here are some specs on this app:

Access97, FE/BE, distributed as Access97 runtime mde using Sagekey scripts.  SQL needs to be reviewed throughout, including saved queries, modules, form/report control sources.  The app contains these objects (though not all deal with dates):
42 queries
82 forms
57 reports
26 modules

The development mdb will be ready (meaning all non-SQL-related mods have been completed) for you on or before Oct. 24, and this project needs to be completed by Nov. 14.  Project deliverables include the modified mdb (obviously), and a simple list of objects modified (example of list entries: "qryApptsList", "mdlSchedule.fctNextAppt", etc.)

If you want additional information about this application, you can find it at www.farriersoftware.com .  You're also welcome to dowload a demo of the app from there (this requires filling out a form first - please put "AccessD" in the comments so we don't think you're a potential customer!)

Please email me direct at backroad at idir.net if you're interested or have any questions.  Thank you!

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Oct 15 14:56:57 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:56:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227335@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001301c39356$7d40b8d0$7001a8c0@COA3>

While I not been following this thread completely, why would ZIP code
ever be a number? Besides leading zeros, many non-US postal codes are
mixed alpha-numeric ... Do you mean you'd add another field for that,
rather than a "postal code" field to handle ANY country?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
intact (and all 'search' routines) would still work.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
it stop :-)

One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
considered is is there any possibility that the design / structure of
the "numerical" identifier might change?

To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
four digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in
time because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
identifier. In other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code,
so it should not be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code
as a Long Int, but you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to
change things later on.

As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
compare a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric
values, to search a sorted list really does not take that long as a
standard binary chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the
target string. (If my mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a
string in a list of one billion (10^9) strings would require 30
comparisons at most.) In addition, the initial stages of the binary chop
only need to compare the first character (or first few) in the string
with the first character (or first
few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
it's just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.



Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a

> storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit 
> Zip code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for 
> addresses in the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as

> text, the processor is going to have to compare each digit of the 
> number, because it's looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  
> However, if it's stored as
> a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
that
> range!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for 
> telephone numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use 
> numbers for some kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the 
> argument comes from in the first place, that and the old approach of 
> squeezing everything into the smallest possible datatype to shave 
> storage bytes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for 
> treating such an entry as a number?
> 
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the old school 
> > early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything text unless 
> > an actual calculation must be performed, even when that doesn't 
> > necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a number it

> > should be treated as a number unless there is a very compelling 
> > reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and probably 
> > others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells you that if the data

> > is numeric you should use a number data type, using text just 
> > muddies things up. As far as a number field needing "additional 
> > resources", especially for calculations, that makes no sense at all 
> > to me. Some number types may take additional storage space as 
> > compared to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic 
> > >tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use text.

> > >And that a number data type requires additional resources in order 
> > >for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 15 15:05:23 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:05:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222733C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002901c39357$ab100ee0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew

...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
program back in '83 :))))))

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


> You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
code
> for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
modify
> also.
>
> Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
But
> the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> future variables?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Ah but...
>
> one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
of
> a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
utterly
> different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
but
> it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
decisions.
>
> As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
I
> threw together.
>
> Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
> and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
> The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
> the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
to
> search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
> Sub testSearch()
> Dim n As Long
> Dim s As String
>
> Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> Dim x As Long
> Dim strHits As Long
> Dim intHits As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
&
> " Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
> As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
> surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
> The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
times
> steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
here.
> But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
> I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> field as well as the string one).
>
> Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
telephone
> > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
some
> > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > >
> > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > >
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
should
> > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
resources
> > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Wed Oct 15 15:07:09 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:07:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D60B0@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

The problem is that a zip code is not a number, it is a five-digit or
nine-digit identifier. Since every digit has meaning, it should be stored as
a string and not a number.  

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 15:12
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only code
for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to modify
also.  

Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.  But
the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
future variables?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Ah but...

one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, but
it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.

As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db I
threw together.

Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.

The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...

Sub testSearch()
Dim n As Long
Dim s As String
    
Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
Dim TextSearchTime As Single
Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
Dim x As Long
Dim strHits As Long
Dim intHits As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim rs As Recordset
Dim sCriteria As String
    Randomize
    Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
    For x = 1 To 1000
        With rs
            n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
            s = CStr(n)

            sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
            NumericSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            NumericSearchEnd = Timer
            NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
NumericSearchStart)
            sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
            TextSearchStart = Timer
            .FindFirst sCriteria
            strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
            TextSearchEnd = Timer
            TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
TextSearchStart)
        End With
    Next x
    rs.Close
    Debug.Print "Average find times"
    Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
    Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000") &
" Hits:" & strHits
    Set db = Nothing
    Set rs = Nothing
End Sub


And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...

Average find times
Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
Average find times
Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0

As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.

The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search times
steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on here.
But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.

I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
field as well as the string one).

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
> (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let it
> stop :-)
> 
> One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> considered
> is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the "numerical"
> identifier might change?
> 
> To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> four
> digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* identifier.
> In
> other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should not
> be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, but
> you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later on.
> 
> As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> compare
> a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, to
> search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> my
> mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In addition,
> the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or first
> few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> it's
> just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> 
> 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> Zip
> > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for addresses
> in
> > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, because
> > it's
> > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's stored
> > as
> > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in that
> > range!
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for telephone
> > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for some
> > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > treating such an entry as a number?
> > 
> > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > 
> > Susan H.
> > 
> > 
> > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > think of a resource reason.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should 
> > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional resources 
> > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 15 15:08:15 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D7@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Drew,

True the (US) post office may or may not be planning a zip code reorg, but
the point is that the Zip code is just an example of a number that's not
really an number at all.

Other things often get "numerical" values, like Customer Numbers, Account
Numbers, Part Numbers etc. but they are not numbers in reality. They are
simply identifiers. These are exactly the kind of things that management can
and does change its mind about at the drop of a hat. There's no guarantee
that you'll get a 'decent amount of lead time' when the decision come down
the line.

To your second point, if today's processors are such that speed is not
critical anymore, then there's surely not much chance that tomorrows CPU's
will be significantly slower. So we have processing power to spare, and
searching string values is no big deal.

The really significant point about searches is to make wise choices as to
which fields will be indexed. Good indexing equals fast searches. No
indexing means massive network traffic and lots of waiting around.

My vote is for the philosophy that says "use a data type that's appropriate
to the type of data".

JM2CW

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:12 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> code
> for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> modify
> also.  
> 
> Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> But
> the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> future variables?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Ah but...
> 
> one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
> of
> a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
> utterly
> different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> but
> it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
> decisions.
> 
> As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
> I
> threw together.
> 
> Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
> and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> 
> The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
> the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
> to
> search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> 
> Sub testSearch()
> Dim n As Long
> Dim s As String
>     
> Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> Dim x As Long
> Dim strHits As Long
> Dim intHits As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
> 
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
> &
> " Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
> End Sub
> 
> 
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> 
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> 
> As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
> surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> 
> The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> times
> steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> here.
> But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> 
> I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> field as well as the string one).
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> it
> > stop :-)
> > 
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> "numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> > 
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> on.
> > 
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
> to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> that
> > > range!
> > > 
> > > Drew
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
> telephone
> > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
> some
> > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > 
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > > 
> > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > > 
> > > Susan H.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
> should 
> > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
> resources 
> > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 15 15:13:28 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:13:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D8@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

The Explorer example is quite nice, but you'll need to modify it. The reason
being that the two listboxes use value lists as their rowsource, and it does
not take a great many files to hit the limit. So the code would need to be
changed to store the directory and file names in a temp table and then the
table can be used as the rowsource.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:02 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] File list to combo
> 
> Thanks Mike, I'll take a look.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:49 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] File list to combo
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> There is one in here, I believe
> http://www.mvps.org/access/downloads/Explorer.zip
> or go to
> http://www.mvps.org/access/resources/downloads.htm
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:27 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] File list to combo
> 
> 
> > Does anyone have code for getting a list of files in a directory into a
> > combo box - preferably a callback so that there is no 2k string limit.
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > 
> > 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 15 15:19:44 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:19:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E008B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 15:30:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:30:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312395@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

What problem are you running into?  Is there a reason why you need to
include the memo field in the count?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo
field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia

From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Wed Oct 15 15:40:06 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:40:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C6C@EXCHMAIL>

Create the query without the memo field. Then create a new query, bring in all of the fields from the count query and join to the table with the memo field. Bring in the memo field.
 
D

 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo



What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a memo field.
 
Virginia

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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Wed Oct 15 15:46:50 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:46:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C6D@EXCHMAIL>

She wont be able to group by memo field with a count in the query.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What problem are you running into?  Is there a reason why you need to
include the memo field in the count?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo
field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 15 15:58:31 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:58:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E008E@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I put Asset - Count, the other fields have GroupBy. Should they be something
else?

No, the memo fields are just in the query for the report fields.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What problem are you running into?  Is there a reason why you need to
include the memo field in the count?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo
field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 15 15:59:42 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:59:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E008F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

That did it! Thanks.
 
Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: David McAfee [mailto:DMcAfee at haascnc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo


Create the query without the memo field. Then create a new query, bring in
all of the fields from the count query and join to the table with the memo
field. Bring in the memo field.
 
D

 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Count Query with Memo



What do you do about creating a Count in a query when there is a memo field?
 
I need a count of Assets for a report, but one of the report fields is a
memo field.
 
Virginia

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 15 16:16:48 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:16:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <200310151701.h9FH1De32626@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031015161417.02803830@pop3.highstream.net>

Drew,

Yeah, it works great until they make it look like Canada's.

Zone Improvement Plan Code (ZIP Code) is a code not a value,
therefor it is alpha-numeric and not a pure numeric.

And, the Plus4 may become the Plus6. ;-)

Robert

At 12:01 PM 10/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227335 at main2.marlow.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
>code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left intact
>(and all 'search' routines) would still work.
>
>Drew



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 15 17:16:21 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:16:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3F8E53D5.21297.1AA2F2@localhost>

On 15 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
...
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
....
> 
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> 
Average find times
Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0

The results are meaningless :-(
Timer is only accurate to about 1/18th of a second ie to .0556 
seconds. Any test which takes less than that will either return 0 or 
.0556.

You are carrying out a single indexed lookup on an open table plus
a calculation using 5 functions (addition, Abs() CLng(), negation, 
NoMatch)

Which do *you*  think takes longer (ie has most effect on your 
results)?

 
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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Oct 15 17:42:33 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:42:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues
Message-ID: <OFA7CEA937.6E0D7283-ONCA256DC0.007C5CE1@agric.nsw.gov.au>

OK I tried Dim as String 

it still displays the date in the sub form as a complete reverse. ie:

17/10/02 is entered... passed as 10/17/02 to strSQL (verified by msgbox) 

the value saved to the subform is 02/10/17

The field  is formatted to ShortDate both in the Table and also on the 
form, but returns it in complete reverse.

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

Let's take   "1 Feb 03"
> Dim Finished As Date
You have dimmed it as a Date, 
....
> Finished = Format(Forms![worksheet]![FinalDate], "mm\/dd\/yyyy")
> 
Format() creates a Variant containing a string  "02/01/03"
You now poke that into the date variable "Finished". When you do so, 
the system converts the string into a date and uses your regional 
settings so interprets it as "2 Jan 03"

You would have been OK if you had dimmed Finished as String  :-)

>     ' Create SQL string.
>     strSQL = "UPDATE worksheet SET finished = #" & Finished & "# WHERE 
> tsid = " & TSID
>     ' Run action query.
>     mydb.Execute strSQL
> 

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 15 18:05:07 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:05:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues
In-Reply-To: <OFA7CEA937.6E0D7283-ONCA256DC0.007C5CE1@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <3F8E5F43.25313.9C609@localhost>

On 16 Oct 2003 at 8:42, connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.go wrote:

> OK I tried Dim as String 
> 
> it still displays the date in the sub form as a complete reverse. ie:
> 
> 17/10/02 is entered... passed as 10/17/02 to strSQL (verified by msgbox) 
> 
> the value saved to the subform is 02/10/17
> 

Not "saved to the subform". 

Do you mean "displayed by the subform"?
Forms only display data which is stored in a table.

I'd look at the Format property of the textbox in the subform for a 
start.   You may still be looking at "17 Oct 2002", but formatted as 
"yy/mm/dd"  

This is one reason I always specifically format controls which 
display dates to  "dd mmm yy" or "dd mm yyyy"













 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 15 18:16:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:16:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] More Date issues
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312397@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

We generally set the display formats to a medium date, which seems to be
fairly uniform and can at least be read everywhere and makes it
perfectly obvious which is the day and which is the month.  Dates can
still be entered in short date format, and the regional settings
interprets that to display it in medium format.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:05 PM
To: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] More Date issues


On 16 Oct 2003 at 8:42, connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.go wrote:

> OK I tried Dim as String
> 
> it still displays the date in the sub form as a complete reverse. ie:
> 
> 17/10/02 is entered... passed as 10/17/02 to strSQL (verified by 
> msgbox)
> 
> the value saved to the subform is 02/10/17
> 

Not "saved to the subform". 

Do you mean "displayed by the subform"?
Forms only display data which is stored in a table.

I'd look at the Format property of the textbox in the subform for a 
start.   You may still be looking at "17 Oct 2002", but formatted as 
"yy/mm/dd"  

This is one reason I always specifically format controls which 
display dates to  "dd mmm yy" or "dd mm yyyy"













 
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 15 20:56:09 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:56:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <SEA2-F32SHpVyLridnG00000725@hotmail.com>

If you do something a million times and measure the total time/iterations 
the accuracy improves.  But I don't see the relevance anyway.  Indexes are 
numeric pointers into the data anyway so the time to find a number or string 
that it indexed involves only a few comparisions.  The big difference is in 
the size of data and index that needs to be transferred from disk to 
processor which takes far more time than the time to make the comparisons.  
Once the table or index is cached, the processor speed makes very little 
difference.  The real issue is the fact that the data is much larger and the 
index is also as much larger and with a file server database, the size of 
the data and index makes far more impact on the ultimate performance than 
the processor speed.  I've recently seen a 200 mhz and a 2.4 ghz computer 
load the same data from a file server on the same LAN in the same time.  Yes 
the faster machine filters and sorts much faster.  You should see that 200 
mhz machine with cable modem kick the butt of the 2.4 ghz machine using a 
cellular phone modem loading web pages.  Multiplying the processor speed by 
12 times makes no discernable difference in load time, but there is no doubt 
that cutting the size of the data in half will improve data load time by a 
factor of two no matter what the speed of the processor.  You can only buy 
so much performance.  The rest has to be consciously designed.  Also, things 
like spaces, parentheses and hyphens can be used in formatting a numeric 
value.  Why do you suppose Microsoft and other software vendors store dates 
as numeric values?  Speed, efficiency and format flexibility.

Hen



>From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:16:21 +1000
>
>On 15 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>...
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>....
> >
> > And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> >
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
>
>The results are meaningless :-(
>Timer is only accurate to about 1/18th of a second ie to .0556
>seconds. Any test which takes less than that will either return 0 or
>.0556.
>
>You are carrying out a single indexed lookup on an open table plus
>a calculation using 5 functions (addition, Abs() CLng(), negation,
>NoMatch)
>
>Which do *you*  think takes longer (ie has most effect on your
>results)?
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 15 21:53:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:53:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)
In-Reply-To: <sf77fbb1.085@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Bryan,

I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to this site.  I have imported
into my framework the MD5 class as well as two of the registration key
generators.

I have been looking for some way to generate a unique ID like a SSN given
the lack of an SSN. The MD5 applied to an append of the lastname & firstname
& Phone (or something like that) will give me a unique identifier to use to
prevent duplicates and so forth.

The registration key classes likewise give me a new view of copy protection.

Thanks again,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)


The VB6 class for MD5 is drop and go, IIRC.

To use it all you need to do is:

Dim md5 As CMD5
Dim strEncrypted as String

Set md5 = New CMD5
strEncrypted = md5.md5("PlainTextToEncrypt")

That's all there is too it.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> stuart at pacific.net.hk 29-Sep-03 9:12:52 AM >>>
Actually this sounds like a better option than the one I'm using.  As I
need to
put a dll in the system path.  (not referenced directly thankfully)

I might take a look at this (and the other hash algorithm on this site)
and see
about converting to access.  (assuming its not drop in and play)

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Sunday, 28 September, 2003 11:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a
> lucky winner??)
>
>
> On 26 Sep 2003 at 20:38, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > Here are free code examples:
> >
> >   http://www.frez.co.uk/freecode.htm#md5
>
> The code available here is a VB6 class that imports quite well into
> A2K. I have used it in an Access Project.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 15 22:39:55 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:39:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <002901c39357$ab100ee0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEPLELAA.john@winhaven.net>

LOL!

Actually, I really appreciate these adventures in theory - although I would
imagine by now the original poster of this thread no longer cares! Although
most of these issues have no right or wrong, every now and again I do change
my outlook on an issue because of these threads. (I did it with regards to
RVBA a few a years ago.)

This thread has me re-thinking my guideline on how to type data. I've
appended the following exception:
Type data field by the data's purpose.
Numerical Type for numbers that are numerical values;
Text Type for numbers that are item identifiers;
Exception: if performance is an extremely important issue, then consider
storing numerical strings in a numerically typed field.

Thanks all! Its been another fun learning experience.

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> "Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew
>
> ...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
> program back in '83 :))))))
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> > You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that
> applies to
> > everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> code
> > for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> > change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> > decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> modify
> > also.
> >
> > Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> But
> > the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster,
> do you go
> > with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it
> better to stick
> > with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> > future variables?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > Ah but...
> >
> > one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
> of
> > a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
> utterly
> > different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> > fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> > original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> but
> > it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
> decisions.
> >
> > As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results
> on a test Db
> I
> > threw together.
> >
> > Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint
> field and a
> > string field. The long field is populated with random long
> integer values,
> > and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> > integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> >
> > The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network
> drive, and
> > the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
> to
> > search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> >
> > Sub testSearch()
> > Dim n As Long
> > Dim s As String
> >
> > Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> > Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> > Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> > Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> > Dim x As Long
> > Dim strHits As Long
> > Dim intHits As Long
> > Dim db As Database
> > Dim rs As Recordset
> > Dim sCriteria As String
> >     Randomize
> >     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
> >     For x = 1 To 1000
> >         With rs
> >             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
> >             s = CStr(n)
> >
> >             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
> >             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> > NumericSearchStart)
> >             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
> >             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> > TextSearchStart)
> >         End With
> >     Next x
> >     rs.Close
> >     Debug.Print "Average find times"
> >     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> > "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
> >     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000")
> &
> > " Hits:" & strHits
> >     Set db = Nothing
> >     Set rs = Nothing
> > End Sub
> >
> >
> > And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> >
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> >
> > As you can see the random search values never generated any
> hits - not too
> > surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> >
> > The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> times
> > steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> here.
> > But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> > search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> > performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of
> a second.
> > There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> >
> > I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> > indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> > field as well as the string one).
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!
> With the zip
> > > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> intact
> > > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> it
> > > stop :-)
> > >
> > > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > > considered
> > > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> "numerical"
> > > identifier might change?
> > >
> > > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there
> were no Zip
> > > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the
> hyphen plus
> > > four
> > > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any
> point in time
> > > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> identifier.
> > > In
> > > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> not
> > > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> but
> > > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> on.
> > >
> > > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > > compare
> > > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing
> numeric values,
> to
> > > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a
> standard binary
> > > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target
> string. (If
> > > my
> > > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> addition,
> > > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> first
> > > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > > it's
> > > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is
> not only a
> > > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just
> the 5 digit
> > > Zip
> > > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> addresses
> > > in
> > > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> because
> > > > it's
> > > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> stored
> > > > as
> > > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> that
> > > > range!
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
> telephone
> > > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
> some
> > > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument
> comes from
> > > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing
> everything
> > > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would
> you have for
> > > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive
> and with us.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even
> when that
> > > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
> should
> > > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
> resources
> > > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 15 23:35:06 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:35:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
 <17846221523.20031014205234@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3F8E1FFA.7050902@shaw.ca>

With six objects A,B,C,D,E,F you would have 20 unique combinations 
without regard to order.
Try code below to calculate the number of objects you can reasonably 
use, the calculation fails on overflow when n > 170
There are several methods to list out these combinations, in one of 
Knuth's programming textbooks.
I believe the third volume. I haven't got a copy handy, it's in another 
province. TAOCP should be required reading. 
http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html


Counting combinations - example


How many different groups of 3 could be selected from the 5 objects A, 
B, C, D, E?

5 ways to select the first, 4 to then select the second, and 3 ways to 
select the third, so 5*4*3 ways to choose when order matters

But, every group of 3 (e.g. A, B, C) is counted 6 (=3!) times: ABC, ACB, 
BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA

So, total number of groups when ignore order is 5*4*3/(3*2*1) = 10

5! / 3!(5-3)! 120/6*2 =10

Counting combinations


In general, the number of different groups of r objects out of n is

n* (n-1) * ... * (n-r+1)/r! = n!/( r! (n-r)! )

This number is written ( nr ), and is pronounced ?n choose r?

Example: How many 5 card poker hands are possible (out of a deck of 52 
cards)?

There are ( 525 ) = 2,598,960 poker hands



Public Function Combination(FromN As Long, SelectR As Long) As Double
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

'**********************************************************************************************************
'
'Purpose: Algorithm that calculates the arrangement of R objects 
selected from N objects without regard to order.
'
'Argument(s): SelectR - long integer number, FromN - long integer number.
'
'Source: http://www.paretoanalysts.com
'
'Author: Pareto Analysts
'
'Creation Date: December 1, 2001
'
'Description: Calculates the number of possible arrangements of 
(SelectR) items chosen from (FromN) items.
' without regard to order. When an arrangement is selected, it cannot be 
rearranged to mean
' something else.
' nCr = n! / (r!*(n-r)!)
' nCr = (FromN)! / (SelectR)!*(FromN - SelectR)!
'
'Return Value: The number of possible arrangements of one item with 
respect to another item without regard to order.
'
'Return Type: Double
'
'Limitation: The Largest Number that can be passed is 170 corresponding 
to 170!(7.25741561530799E+306)
'
Combination = Factorial(FromN) / ((Factorial(SelectR)) * Factorial(FromN 
- SelectR))



Exit_ErrorHandler:
Exit Function

ErrorHandler:
MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbInformation, 
"www.paretoanalysts.com Combination "
Resume Exit_ErrorHandler
End Function
Private Function Factorial(n As Long) As Double
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

'**********************************************************************************************************
'
'Purpose: Algorithm that calculates the Factorial of Numbers (N!) up to 170.
'
'Argument(s): N - long integer number less than 171.
'
'Source: http://www.paretoanalysts.com
'
'Author: Pareto Analysts
'
'Creation Date: December 1, 2001
'
'Description: Calculates the Factorial of a Number. N! can be computed 
as N*(N-1)*(N-2)...(N-(N-1))*2*1
' E.g. 5! = 5*4*3*2*1
'
'Return Value: The Factorial of the Number passed to it.
'
'Return Type: Double
'
'Limitation: The Largest Number that can be passed is 170 corresponding 
to 170!(7.25741561530799E+306)
'
'
'Warranty : No claim is made as to the accuracy or fitness of this 
algorithm. The use of this
' algorithm is at your own risk and choice and the author is not liable 
in anyway
' for its use or damages that may occur as a result of its use.
'
'Copyright: The use or distribution of this algorithm is free provided 
that it is
' used or distributed along with this header notice and this header notice
' has not been modified in any way. If this algorithm is used in a 
compiled form then
' the header notice must also be placed in a readme.txt file
'
'Inquiries: Inquiries about this algorithm, data mining, statistical 
analysis and data analysis
' can be directed to http://www.paretoanalysts.com
'
'**********************************************************************************************************

If n < 0 Then

Factorial = 0

ElseIf n = 0 Then

Factorial = 1

Else

Factorial = n * Factorial(n - 1)

End If



Exit_ErrorHandler:
Exit Function


ErrorHandler:
MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbInformation, 
"www.paretoanalysts.com Factorial "
Resume Exit_ErrorHandler
End Function

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Lonnie
>
>So a maximum would be 10 rows?
>Like Jim, out of curiosity, what is this accounting feature? Balancing
>of payments or bank transactions?
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>Thank you Gustav,
>>    
>>
> 
>  
>
>>The number of rows may vary with each client. This will be an accounting feature. There will be a client number and that's how I will group. A client could have one record or ten records. I was
>>looking for something efficient and something that I could load a couple of variables which would be the number of records and an array of the values.
>>    
>>
> 
>  
>
>>Thanks again.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: 
>>Hi Lonnie
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>If you only have a few rows as shown I don't think you have any other
>>possibility than trying the different combinations using some loops.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>You could, of course, start by ruling out some of the impossible
>>combinations by adding all the negatives and all the positives; here
>>it will return -5 and +18 which shows that 7 can be ruled out as it is
>>larger than the absolute value of the sum of negatives. On the other
>>hand, -2 and -3 must be included in any combination as the absolute
>>value of the sum of these equals the smallest positive number, 5.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>If you have many rows you'll have to find some smarter routines as the
>>number of combinations increase dramatically.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>/gustav
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>>This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>Example:
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>MyField
>>>5
>>>-2
>>>7
>>>-3
>>>6
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>This group of records would have a combination that equals zero (5, -2, -3). I hope someone has something. 
>>>      
>>>
>
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-- 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 01:57:07 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:57:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227346@main2.marlow.com>

If it was going to be an international db, then you're right, a Zip code
field wouldn't be a number.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


While I not been following this thread completely, why would ZIP code
ever be a number? Besides leading zeros, many non-US postal codes are
mixed alpha-numeric ... Do you mean you'd add another field for that,
rather than a "postal code" field to handle ANY country?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
intact (and all 'search' routines) would still work.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
it stop :-)

One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
considered is is there any possibility that the design / structure of
the "numerical" identifier might change?

To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
four digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in
time because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
identifier. In other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code,
so it should not be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code
as a Long Int, but you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to
change things later on.

As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
compare a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric
values, to search a sorted list really does not take that long as a
standard binary chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the
target string. (If my mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a
string in a list of one billion (10^9) strings would require 30
comparisons at most.) In addition, the initial stages of the binary chop
only need to compare the first character (or first few) in the string
with the first character (or first
few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
it's just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.



Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a

> storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit 
> Zip code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for 
> addresses in the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as

> text, the processor is going to have to compare each digit of the 
> number, because it's looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  
> However, if it's stored as
> a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
that
> range!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for 
> telephone numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use 
> numbers for some kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the 
> argument comes from in the first place, that and the old approach of 
> squeezing everything into the smallest possible datatype to shave 
> storage bytes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for 
> treating such an entry as a number?
> 
> I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the old school 
> > early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything text unless 
> > an actual calculation must be performed, even when that doesn't 
> > necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a number it

> > should be treated as a number unless there is a very compelling 
> > reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and probably 
> > others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells you that if the data

> > is numeric you should use a number data type, using text just 
> > muddies things up. As far as a number field needing "additional 
> > resources", especially for calculations, that makes no sense at all 
> > to me. Some number types may take additional storage space as 
> > compared to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > think of a resource reason.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is that logic 
> > >tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you should use text.

> > >And that a number data type requires additional resources in order 
> > >for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 01:58:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:58:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227347@main2.marlow.com>

LOL....so true.....but do you realize how much money that guy made for
everyone else?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


"Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew

...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
program back in '83 :))))))

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


> You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
code
> for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
modify
> also.
>
> Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
But
> the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> future variables?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> Ah but...
>
> one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
of
> a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
utterly
> different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
but
> it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
decisions.
>
> As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
I
> threw together.
>
> Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
> and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
> The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
> the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
to
> search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
> Sub testSearch()
> Dim n As Long
> Dim s As String
>
> Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> Dim x As Long
> Dim strHits As Long
> Dim intHits As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
&
> " Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
> As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
> surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
> The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
times
> steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
here.
> But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
> I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> field as well as the string one).
>
> Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
telephone
> > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
some
> > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > >
> > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > >
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
should
> > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
resources
> > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 02:01:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:01:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227348@main2.marlow.com>

You're right on the CPU speed.  It will certainly get faster.  However, my
point was that we don't know what we will be doing 5 years from now, with
that speed?  We may end up with a VR system, that slows things down quite a
bit.  Building a system for speed is not a practice we should drop just
because speed is abundant right now.  You never know what is going to come
along and suck up that speed.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Drew,

True the (US) post office may or may not be planning a zip code reorg, but
the point is that the Zip code is just an example of a number that's not
really an number at all.

Other things often get "numerical" values, like Customer Numbers, Account
Numbers, Part Numbers etc. but they are not numbers in reality. They are
simply identifiers. These are exactly the kind of things that management can
and does change its mind about at the drop of a hat. There's no guarantee
that you'll get a 'decent amount of lead time' when the decision come down
the line.

To your second point, if today's processors are such that speed is not
critical anymore, then there's surely not much chance that tomorrows CPU's
will be significantly slower. So we have processing power to spare, and
searching string values is no big deal.

The really significant point about searches is to make wise choices as to
which fields will be indexed. Good indexing equals fast searches. No
indexing means massive network traffic and lots of waiting around.

My vote is for the philosophy that says "use a data type that's appropriate
to the type of data".

JM2CW

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:12 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> code
> for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> modify
> also.  
> 
> Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> But
> the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> future variables?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> 
> Ah but...
> 
> one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
> of
> a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
> utterly
> different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> but
> it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
> decisions.
> 
> As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
> I
> threw together.
> 
> Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
> and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> 
> The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
> the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
> to
> search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> 
> Sub testSearch()
> Dim n As Long
> Dim s As String
>     
> Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> Dim x As Long
> Dim strHits As Long
> Dim intHits As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rs As Recordset
> Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
> 
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
> &
> " Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
> End Sub
> 
> 
> And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> 
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> 
> As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
> surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> 
> The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> times
> steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> here.
> But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> 
> I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> field as well as the string one).
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > 
> > 
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> it
> > stop :-)
> > 
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> "numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> > 
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> on.
> > 
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
> to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> that
> > > range!
> > > 
> > > Drew
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
> telephone
> > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
> some
> > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument comes from
> > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing everything
> > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > 
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would you have for
> > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > > 
> > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive and with us.
> > > 
> > > Susan H.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything 
> > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even when that 
> > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a 
> > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very 
> > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
> should 
> > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
> resources 
> > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Thu Oct 16 03:15:42 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:15:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] VBA - all menu functions are disabled
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6A6FADB@lbrn12.d20.intra>

On Access XP, in the code window all standard menu items and buttons are
disabled, non standard items such as VBACodePrint all work OK. In the
main Access window everything seems to work OK.

Any ideas on how I can re-set all of this please?

Many thanks
Tim Pain
Akzo Nobel Surface Chemistry
Phone: +44 (0)1727 815360
Fax: +44 (0)1727 840816
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Oct 16 03:49:47 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBB6@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

A colleague has raised a point and I wonder whether anyone in this list has
any experience or knowledge of this.

My colleague has suggested that there is (maybe) a problem when packaging
Access systems (and VB)  (say using Package Wizard, althought the logic
could be applied to any packaging software) in that if the package is
created under XP then the various dll's and so on packaged are those
designed for XP - and that these may vary, in some cases, to those packaged
when creating a package under NT or Win 98. So that....

Package Under XP....Deploy XP >> OK
Package Under XP....Deploy Win 98/95...possible problems.

I must admit I did have a problem with one user (win 95) when the
application did not work properly (lots of strange things - compile errors
etc) on their machine - yet it worked ok on others -  I think the package
was created under XP - so this may support the above argument.  As a
precaution I now package my apps under win 98 (but this is a pain on my dual
boot machine having to boot/reboot/test/repackage to correct then
/boot/reboot/test and so on)

Has anyone come across this.

Many thanks in advance

Richard


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 16 04:30:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:30:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sf77fbb1.085@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <3F8E2CE0.4193.114E1E@localhost>

On 15 Oct 2003 at 22:53, John Colby wrote:

> I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to this site.  I have
> imported into my framework the MD5 class as well as two of the
> registration key generators.

You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you 
to the site.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Normal people worry me.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 03:54:21 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:54:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <002901c39357$ab100ee0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222733C@main2.marlow.com>
 <002901c39357$ab100ee0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <577219671.20031016105421@cactus.dk>

Hi William

Ahh, you know better!
That was not to gain speed but to save storage area, ram as well as
disk. 

/gustav


>> "Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew

> ...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
> program back in '83 :))))))


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 03:51:22 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:51:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <001301c39356$7d40b8d0$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <001301c39356$7d40b8d0$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <1857040874.20031016105122@cactus.dk>

Hi Mrs. Anonymous

> While I not been following this thread completely, why would ZIP code
> ever be a number?

Because in many countries they are numbers. Here, such an identifier
is not even called a "postal code" but a "postal number".

> Besides leading zeros, many non-US postal codes are
> mixed alpha-numeric ... Do you mean you'd add another field for that,
> rather than a "postal code" field to handle ANY country?

If you are into internationalization, handling postal codes and
address formats is a major task. You would develop a set of optimized
postal code and address formats and for each country select the set to
apply. 
For those sets for countries using alpha-numeric postal codes (like
Britain) you would, of course, have a field format and data type to
accommodate that.

However, most developers fall back to add a second or third address
line for "strange addresses" where you can type in postal code etc. in
free style.

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 04:06:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:06:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D7@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77D7@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <307925295.20031016110606@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

I think you are mixing up two things here.

Private formats controlled by some management may, of course, be
changed with no warning.

Public formats, however, are so widely used that you'll always be
given a lead time counted in years. This holds true for postal code
formats, telephone number formats etc.

Have for example a look at how slowly but steadily the IBAN
international numbering format for bank accounts is promoted while
you still, but at increasing costs, can use the old system with bank
names, BIC (SWIFT) codes and account numbers.

But I will vote with you.

/gustav


> Drew,

> True the (US) post office may or may not be planning a zip code reorg, but
> the point is that the Zip code is just an example of a number that's not
> really an number at all.

> Other things often get "numerical" values, like Customer Numbers, Account
> Numbers, Part Numbers etc. but they are not numbers in reality. They are
> simply identifiers. These are exactly the kind of things that management can
> and does change its mind about at the drop of a hat. There's no guarantee
> that you'll get a 'decent amount of lead time' when the decision come down
> the line.

> To your second point, if today's processors are such that speed is not
> critical anymore, then there's surely not much chance that tomorrows CPU's
> will be significantly slower. So we have processing power to spare, and
> searching string values is no big deal.

> The really significant point about searches is to make wise choices as to
> which fields will be indexed. Good indexing equals fast searches. No
> indexing means massive network traffic and lots of waiting around.

> My vote is for the philosophy that says "use a data type that's appropriate
> to the type of data".

> JM2CW

> Lambert


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 16 05:06:01 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:06:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBB6@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <3F8E3549.3753.3226B2@localhost>

On 16 Oct 2003 at 9:49, Griffiths, Richard wrote:

> A colleague has raised a point and I wonder whether anyone in this
> list has any experience or knowledge of this.

Not first hand, but a buddy of mine had a similar problem, only..

The app was packaged on a 9X system and was installed on his NT4 
workstation. He basically lost use of his workstation until one of the 
guys in his shop created a small installer that all it did was 
replace the installed 9X DLLs with the correct NT4 DLLs

> Package Under XP....Deploy XP >> OK
> Package Under XP....Deploy Win 98/95...possible problems.

I have always read and been told that as long as you build on an NT 
based system (NT, 2K, XP) then you can deploy on 9x and NT based 
boxes.

I can't cite any references though.

So I really don't think that you need to worry about it too nuch.

Although if you are concerned, have a test 9x box to run your 
installs on after building them before releasing.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Warning: dates on calendar are closer than they appear.



From artful at rogers.com  Thu Oct 16 09:50:09 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:50:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report
In-Reply-To: <01df01c39288$edc89920$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000001c393f4$d67bd990$6501a8c0@rock>

Use the WindowMode argument, specifying the WindowMode argument:
 
docmd.OpenReport "myReport",View:=acViewPreview ,WindowMode:=acDialog 
 
HTH,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code During Report


Dear List:
 
Is there an easy way to suspend execution of code while a report is
open?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 


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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Thu Oct 16 07:32:00 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:32:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <sf8e5784.008@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

>From the original poster...  

Wow, that was a little (lot??!) more than I expected!    

The Budget Number field we use is really an identifier, not a value.  (Perhaps that "old school" notion of using text unless an actual calculation must be performed was not so far off.)  In any event, while speed and storage space should always be considered, the field is an organizational format and it's quite possible that it could change.  So you've given me something to think about.

Thank you all for your responses.  They were most interesting and informative, as usual...

- cindy

>>> john at winhaven.net 10/15/03 11:39PM >>>
LOL!

Actually, I really appreciate these adventures in theory - although I would
imagine by now the original poster of this thread no longer cares! Although
most of these issues have no right or wrong, every now and again I do change
my outlook on an issue because of these threads. (I did it with regards to
RVBA a few a years ago.)

This thread has me re-thinking my guideline on how to type data. I've
appended the following exception:
Type data field by the data's purpose.
Numerical Type for numbers that are numerical values;
Text Type for numbers that are item identifiers;
Exception: if performance is an extremely important issue, then consider
storing numerical strings in a numerically typed field.

Thanks all! Its been another fun learning experience.

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> "Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown future variables?" Drew
>
> ...said the code guru as he inserted two digit year dates into his new
> program back in '83 :))))))
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
> > You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that
> applies to
> > everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> code
> > for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> > change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> > decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> modify
> > also.
> >
> > Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> But
> > the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster,
> do you go
> > with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it
> better to stick
> > with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> > future variables?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > Ah but...
> >
> > one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example
> of
> > a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something
> utterly
> > different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> > fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> > original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> but
> > it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky
> decisions.
> >
> > As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results
> on a test Db
> I
> > threw together.
> >
> > Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint
> field and a
> > string field. The long field is populated with random long
> integer values,
> > and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> > integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> >
> > The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network
> drive, and
> > the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code
> to
> > search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> >
> > Sub testSearch()
> > Dim n As Long
> > Dim s As String
> >
> > Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> > Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> > Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> > Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> > Dim x As Long
> > Dim strHits As Long
> > Dim intHits As Long
> > Dim db As Database
> > Dim rs As Recordset
> > Dim sCriteria As String
> >     Randomize
> >     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
> >     For x = 1 To 1000
> >         With rs
> >             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
> >             s = CStr(n)
> >
> >             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
> >             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> > NumericSearchStart)
> >             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
> >             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> > TextSearchStart)
> >         End With
> >     Next x
> >     rs.Close
> >     Debug.Print "Average find times"
> >     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> > "0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
> >     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000,
> "0.0000000000")
> &
> > " Hits:" & strHits
> >     Set db = Nothing
> >     Set rs = Nothing
> > End Sub
> >
> >
> > And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> >
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> > Average find times
> > Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> > Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> >
> > As you can see the random search values never generated any
> hits - not too
> > surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> >
> > The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> times
> > steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> here.
> > But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> > search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> > performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of
> a second.
> > There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> >
> > I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> > indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> > field as well as the string one).
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!
> With the zip
> > > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> intact
> > > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> it
> > > stop :-)
> > >
> > > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > > considered
> > > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> "numerical"
> > > identifier might change?
> > >
> > > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there
> were no Zip
> > > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the
> hyphen plus
> > > four
> > > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any
> point in time
> > > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> identifier.
> > > In
> > > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> not
> > > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> but
> > > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> on.
> > >
> > > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > > compare
> > > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing
> numeric values,
> to
> > > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a
> standard binary
> > > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target
> string. (If
> > > my
> > > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> addition,
> > > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> first
> > > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > > it's
> > > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is
> not only a
> > > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just
> the 5 digit
> > > Zip
> > > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> addresses
> > > in
> > > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> because
> > > > it's
> > > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> stored
> > > > as
> > > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> that
> > > > range!
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 10:48 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Same holds true for social security numbers in the US and for
> telephone
> > > > numbers everywhere.  There are good reasons NOT to use numbers for
> some
> > > > kinds of numeric data, which is probably where the argument
> comes from
> > > > in the first place, that and the old approach of squeezing
> everything
> > > > into the smallest possible datatype to shave storage bytes.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:32 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What about Zip Codes, etc... what possible purpose would
> you have for
> > > > treating such an entry as a number?
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid this isn't old school -- it's still very alive
> and with us.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds like one of my co-workers who comes from the
> > > > > old school early-days C and COBOL programming. He makes everything
> > > > > text unless an actual calculation must be performed, even
> when that
> > > > > doesn't necessarily make sense in context. I believe that if its a
> > > > > number it should be treated as a number unless there is a very
> > > > > compelling reason not to, for all of the reasons given so far and
> > > > > probably others I haven't thought of. To me, logic tells
> > > > > you that if the data is numeric you should use a number
> > > > > data type, using text just muddies things up. As far as a
> > > > > number field needing "additional resources", especially
> > > > > for calculations, that makes no sense at all to me. Some
> > > > > number types may take additional storage space as compared
> > > > > to holding the same digit characters in a text type, and
> > > > > that can become an issue for DBAs when they are working
> > > > > under short drive space conditions. Other than, I can't
> > > > > think of a resource reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42:15 -0400
> > > > >   CYNTHIA SPELL <CSPELL at jhuccp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >I will, that's a good idea.  What I've heard so far is
> > > > > >that logic tells you that if you don't need to calculate, you
> should
> > > > > >use text.  And that a number data type requires additional
> resources
> > > > > >in order for the field to have the ability to do the calculating.
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu Oct 16 05:45:13 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:45:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEPCELAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <14e101c393d2$943348b0$0200a8c0@S856>

in fact 'von' is always lower case in Germany (and it is originally German)
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names


> Oleg,
> Von is not always capitilized. I don't know of any rule but quite often it
> is all lowercase. For my ProperCase function I use a lookup table for
> exceptions and have a edit form for the totally unusual situations.
>
> HTH
> John B.
> WinHaven LLC
> :o)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:41 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Propercase update for last names
> >
> >
> > Hey Group,
> > I run a propercase update for last names excluding following formats
> > McDonald, MacDonald (second or third letter after Mc or Mac respectively)
> > O'Hara, (first letter after apostrophe if first letter in word is "O")
> >
> >  (I am not sure whats the case with d' like D'Umberville)
> > I think Von is always capital, la is always lowercase, and "de" varies. Am
> > I missing anything ?
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 16 08:34:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:34:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)
In-Reply-To: <3F8E2CE0.4193.114E1E@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you to the
site.

Ooops.

Now I suppose I'll have to endure a lecture on internationalizing the
algorithms (they use 8 bit ascii codes).

<grin>

Well, thanks Gustav.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)


On 15 Oct 2003 at 22:53, John Colby wrote:

> I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to this site.  I have
> imported into my framework the MD5 class as well as two of the
> registration key generators.

You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you
to the site.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 08:52:48 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:52:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <3F8E1FFA.7050902@shaw.ca>
References: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
 <17846221523.20031014205234@cactus.dk> <3F8E1FFA.7050902@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <17825126900.20031016155248@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Interesting functions. Where have you obtained those?

However, they are not quite valid for the original subject as you
can't count on having a fixed number of selected items; you need
minimum two (if two rows carry the same amount, only positive and
negative, they will sum to zero) but the selection could as well
include all items and anything in between.

A collection of two has four combinations

  0 0
  1 0
  0 1
  1 1

but we rule out the selection of none and one item leaving only one
useful selection (1,1) out of four.

For every item added after the first two you have twice as many
combinations. Thus, the number of different useful combinations is 2^n
minus 3 or 

  2^(n-1)-1

This doesn't help us much, though, as you all know that 2 raised to
something very quickly turns out as astronomical numbers.

At n = 20 we have already passed 0.5 mio. combinations and at n = 30
five hundred mio. At numbers like these applying brute computing power
only makes no sense, you have to be smart too.

Here, for example, one can quickly see that selecting positive or
negative values only would lead to nothing as such a collection would
never sum to zero. You would need to separate the items in two pools,
positives and negatives, and for any valid combination from pool
Positives compare the sum to any valid combination from pool Negatives
and check if the absolute value of the two sums are equal.

The number of tests would be:

  (2^(p-1)-1) * (2^(n-1)-1)

Still comes out as large numbers; matching 10 positives and 10
negatives results in 261121 combinations ...

/gustav


> With six objects A,B,C,D,E,F you would have 20 unique combinations 
> without regard to order.
> Try code below to calculate the number of objects you can reasonably 
> use, the calculation fails on overflow when n > 170
> There are several methods to list out these combinations, in one of 
> Knuth's programming textbooks.
> I believe the third volume. I haven't got a copy handy, it's in another 
> province. TAOCP should be required reading. 
> http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html


> Counting combinations - example


> How many different groups of 3 could be selected from the 5 objects A, 
> B, C, D, E?

> 5 ways to select the first, 4 to then select the second, and 3 ways to 
> select the third, so 5*4*3 ways to choose when order matters

> But, every group of 3 (e.g. A, B, C) is counted 6 (=3!) times: ABC, ACB, 
> BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA

> So, total number of groups when ignore order is 5*4*3/(3*2*1) = 10

> 5! / 3!(5-3)! 120/6*2 =10

> Counting combinations


> In general, the number of different groups of r objects out of n is

> n* (n-1) * ... * (n-r+1)/r! = n!/( r! (n-r)! )

> This number is written ( nr ), and is pronounced ?n choose r?

> Example: How many 5 card poker hands are possible (out of a deck of 52 
> cards)?

> There are ( 525 ) = 2,598,960 poker hands


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 16 08:53:30 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:53:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <14e101c393d2$943348b0$0200a8c0@S856>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEPCELAA.john@winhaven.net>
        <14e101c393d2$943348b0$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <44045.12.3.132.98.1066312410.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
"," & aRecord(8) & ")"
        con.Execute (strSQL)

whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it works
fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object is closed"
error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less correctly)

Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection

If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then

    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
        'strline =
        aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
        Debug.Print aRecord(6) & "  " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)

        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
"," & aRecord(8) & ")"
        con.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 16 09:03:05 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:03:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Hash MD5 (Crypto) (was: OT- I am a luckywinner??)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9925744208.20031016160305@cactus.dk>

Hi John

>>You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you to the
>> site.

> Ooops.

> Now I suppose I'll have to endure a lecture on internationalizing the
> algorithms (they use 8 bit ascii codes).

That would be nice. However, if I recall correctly, the author did
include some remarks on Unicode and byte arrays.

> <grin>

> Well, thanks Gustav.

You're welcome! Actually, I can recommend all to visit that page as it
lists many interesting topics with included code:

  http://www.frez.co.uk/freecode.htm

/gustav


>> I just wanted to say thanks for pointing me to this site.  I have
>> imported into my framework the MD5 class as well as two of the
>> registration key generators.

> You're quite welcome, but it was Gustav that originally pointed you
> to the site.

> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 16 09:04:21 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:04:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77DB@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Hello Gustav,

This has been an interesting discussion, to say the least, but I have to say
that I do appreciate that the US Government is not likely to suddenly do an
overnight change to the postal code system. It's just that everybody got
hooked on talking specifically about Zip codes which is why I said that "the
point is that the Zip code is just an *example* of a number that's not
really an number at all."

As it turns out, Cynthia was talking about exactly the kind of "private"
identifiers that can get changed on a whim by shortsighted managers. :-)

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:06 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> Hi Lambert
> 
> I think you are mixing up two things here.
> 
> Private formats controlled by some management may, of course, be
> changed with no warning.
> 
> Public formats, however, are so widely used that you'll always be
> given a lead time counted in years. This holds true for postal code
> formats, telephone number formats etc.
> 
> Have for example a look at how slowly but steadily the IBAN
> international numbering format for bank accounts is promoted while
> you still, but at increasing costs, can use the old system with bank
> names, BIC (SWIFT) codes and account numbers.
> 
> But I will vote with you.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Drew,
> 
> > True the (US) post office may or may not be planning a zip code reorg,
> but
> > the point is that the Zip code is just an example of a number that's not
> > really an number at all.
	  <snip> 


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 16 09:06:15 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:06:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
Message-ID: <25956536.1066313175323.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database for the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command con.execute.
Paul




Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM 
>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table 
I still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other 
things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work 
strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & 
"," & aRecord(8) & ")" 
con.Execute (strSQL) 

whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it works 
fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object is closed" 
error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less correctly) 

Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject 
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream 
Dim strLine As String 
Dim aRecord 
Dim strSQL As String 
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection 

If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then 

Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars 
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading) 

Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream 

strLine = ts.ReadLine 
'strline = 
aRecord = Split(strLine, ",") 
aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4) 
Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8) 

strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & 
"," & aRecord(8) & ")" 
con.Execute (strSQL) 

Loop 
Else 
MsgBox ("file doesn't exist") 
End If 



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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Thu Oct 16 08:32:53 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:32:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D620B@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

A date is a number.  It is the count of years, etc from a given start point.

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 21:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


<SNIPPED>
Also, things like spaces, parentheses and hyphens can be used in formatting
a numeric 
value.  Why do you suppose Microsoft and other software vendors store dates 
as numeric values?  Speed, efficiency and format flexibility.

Hen



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 16 09:22:45 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:22:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77DC@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Stuart,

You commented...  

"You are carrying out a single indexed lookup on an open table plus
a calculation using 5 functions (addition, Abs() CLng(), negation, 
NoMatch)

Which do *you*  think takes longer (ie has most effect on your 
results)?"


Why do *you* think that I originally said (complete with all the typos)...

"There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
 
 I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
 indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
 field as well as the string one)."

In fact without the indexes on the fields the search proceeds with miserable
slowness as the entire table has to be scanned one record at a time to
locate (or not) a matching record. 

So in answer to your question, the point is not which of the various math,
string manipulation, Boolean operations and index look-ups take the longest,
or what impact the 1/18th of a second resolution of Timer has on the result.
Rather the point is that we do all of these data manipulations every time we
need to look up some data in any database. You cannot make the omelet
without breaking an egg.

My simple demo code looks up data in half a million records and it plainly
demonstrates that with an index it's quite fast, and without an index it's
slow as a cow swimming in a treacle-filled pool. So where does that make the
results meaningless? Now if you want to argue about whether .findfirst takes
0.05 seconds, or 0.04 or 0.0001 seconds then of course my code is not going
to answer the question. It was about index versus non-indexed searches,
that's all.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Stuart McLachlan [SMTP:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:16 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> 
> On 15 Oct 2003 at 14:46, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
> ...
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
> ....
> > 
> > And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> > 
> Average find times
> Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> 
> The results are meaningless :-(
> Timer is only accurate to about 1/18th of a second ie to .0556 
> seconds. Any test which takes less than that will either return 0 or 
> .0556.
> 
> You are carrying out a single indexed lookup on an open table plus
> a calculation using 5 functions (addition, Abs() CLng(), negation, 
> NoMatch)
> 
> Which do *you*  think takes longer (ie has most effect on your 
> results)?
> 
>  
> -- 
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
> Support.
> 
> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 16 09:31:19 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:31:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <25956536.1066313175323.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
References: <25956536.1066313175323.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <57221.12.3.132.98.1066314679.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I thought I was using the default connection ?

Also I tried it using this
 DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ", "
& aRecord(8) & ")"

but I get some pitiful results :(

> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database for
> the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command
> con.execute. Paul
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table  I
> still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
> "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
> con.Execute (strSQL)
>
> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it works
>  fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object is
> closed"  error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less correctly)
>
> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim aRecord
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>
> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>
> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>
> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>
> strLine = ts.ReadLine
> 'strline =
> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)
>
> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
> "," & aRecord(8) & ")"
> con.Execute (strSQL)
>
> Loop
> Else
> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
> End If
>
>
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 16 09:43:37 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:43:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
Message-ID: <28810575.1066315417044.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

try adding this line after 
Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
Set con = CurrentProject.Connection
This tells it to use the current database.
Paul




Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM 
>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table 
I thought I was using the default connection ? 

Also I tried it using this 
DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ", " 
& aRecord(8) & ")" 

but I get some pitiful results :( 

> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database for 
> the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command 
> con.execute. Paul 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM 
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Copy to : 
> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I 
> still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other 
> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work 
> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & 
> "," & aRecord(8) & ")" 
> con.Execute (strSQL) 
> 
> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it works 
> fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object is 
> closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less correctly) 
> 
> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject 
> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream 
> Dim strLine As String 
> Dim aRecord 
> Dim strSQL As String 
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection 
> 
> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then 
> 
> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars 
> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading) 
> 
> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream 
> 
> strLine = ts.ReadLine 
> 'strline = 
> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",") 
> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4) 
> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8) 
> 
> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & 
> "," & aRecord(8) & ")" 
> con.Execute (strSQL) 
> 
> Loop 
> Else 
> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist") 
> End If 
> 
> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 16 10:09:07 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:09:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <28810575.1066315417044.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
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I do not have CurrentProject available (i am Access 97, i put reference on
Object 2.5 Lirary) I've selected CurrentDB.Connection, but get the error
message --
Operation not supported for this type of object

> try adding this line after
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
> Set con = CurrentProject.Connection
> This tells it to use the current database.
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
> I thought I was using the default connection ?
>
> Also I tried it using this
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ",
> "  & aRecord(8) & ")"
>
> but I get some pitiful results :(
>
>> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database
>> for  the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command
>> con.execute. Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM
>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Copy to :
>> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I
>> still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
>> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &  ","
>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>
>> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it
>> works  fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object
>> is  closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less
>> correctly)
>>
>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim aRecord
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>
>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>>
>>
>> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>
>> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>
>> strLine = ts.ReadLine
>> 'strline =
>> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
>> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)
>>
>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &  ","
>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>
>> Loop
>> Else
>> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>> End If
>>
>>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 16 10:21:36 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:21:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
 table
Message-ID: <16926018.1066317696730.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

hmmmm, don't know what to suggest unless you use DAO then
Dim db as DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDB
db.Execute(strSql)
Paul




Message date : Oct 16 2003, 04:13 PM 
>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table 
I do not have CurrentProject available (i am Access 97, i put reference on 
Object 2.5 Lirary) I've selected CurrentDB.Connection, but get the error 
message -- 
Operation not supported for this type of object 

> try adding this line after 
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection 
> Set con = CurrentProject.Connection 
> This tells it to use the current database. 
> Paul 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM 
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Copy to : 
> Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table 
> I thought I was using the default connection ? 
> 
> Also I tried it using this 
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ", 
> " & aRecord(8) & ")" 
> 
> but I get some pitiful results :( 
> 
>> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database 
>> for the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command 
>> con.execute. Paul 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM 
>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>> Copy to : 
>> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I 
>> still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other 
>> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work 
>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & "," 
>> & aRecord(8) & ")" 
>> con.Execute (strSQL) 
>> 
>> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it 
>> works fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object 
>> is closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less 
>> correctly) 
>> 
>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject 
>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream 
>> Dim strLine As String 
>> Dim aRecord 
>> Dim strSQL As String 
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection 
>> 
>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then 
>> 
>> 
>> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars 
>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading) 
>> 
>> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream 
>> 
>> strLine = ts.ReadLine 
>> 'strline = 
>> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",") 
>> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4) 
>> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8) 
>> 
>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & "," 
>> & aRecord(8) & ")" 
>> con.Execute (strSQL) 
>> 
>> Loop 
>> Else 
>> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist") 
>> End If 
>> 
>> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 16 10:51:31 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <16926018.1066317696730.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
References: <16926018.1066317696730.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
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hmmm, this is getting better, its on the right track
Now I got "to few parameters" error, Even so there are 5 clumns in the
table, and  Iimporting 5 fields


Dim db As DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDb
strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c, d, e) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
"," & aRecord(1) & "," & aRecord(2) & "," & aRecord(3) & "," & aRecord(8)
& ")"
db.Execute (strSQL)




> hmmmm, don't know what to suggest unless you use DAO then
> Dim db as DAO.Database
> Set db = CurrentDB
> db.Execute(strSql)
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 04:13 PM
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
> table  I do not have CurrentProject available (i am Access 97, i put
> reference on  Object 2.5 Lirary) I've selected CurrentDB.Connection, but
> get the error  message --
> Operation not supported for this type of object
>
>> try adding this line after
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>> Set con = CurrentProject.Connection
>> This tells it to use the current database.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM
>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Copy to :
>> Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
>> table  I thought I was using the default connection ?
>>
>> Also I tried it using this
>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
>> ",  " & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>
>> but I get some pitiful results :(
>>
>>> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database
>>> for the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command
>>> con.execute. Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM
>>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Copy to :
>>> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I
>>>  still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
>>> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
>>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ","
>>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it
>>> works fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object
>>> is closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less
>>> correctly)
>>>
>>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>>> Dim strLine As String
>>> Dim aRecord
>>> Dim strSQL As String
>>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>>
>>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv")
>>> Then
>>>
>>>
>>> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>>
>>> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>>
>>> strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>> 'strline =
>>> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
>>> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)
>>>
>>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ","
>>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>> Loop
>>> Else
>>> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>>> End If
>>>
>>>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 16 11:12:21 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:12:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
Message-ID: <BAY1-F37N6SPPzo1VgS000178fe@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the code...its steps through fine...finds the window...I get no 
error...but it doesn't do anything to it?  Am I missing a part?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:32:06 -0500
>
>Try this...
>
>Public Declare Function DestroyWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long) As
>Long
>
>Function fDestroyWindow(WindowName As String)
>On Error GoTo erlevel
>Dim winHwnd As Long
>Dim RetVal As Long
>winHwnd = FindWindow(vbNullString, WindowName)
>If winHwnd <> 0 Then
>RetVal = DestroyWindow(winHwnd)
>End If
>erlevel:
>End Function
>
>It's probably not the best method.....I know there are API's to kill
>threads, but this was in an old project of mine, so it was the first thing 
>I
>had handy.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:03 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can call from A97 
>to
>
>kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
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From Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil  Thu Oct 16 11:13:00 2003
From: Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil (Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:13:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
Message-ID: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D62F7@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>

Are any of the values strings?  If so they need to be wrapped in single
quotes.

Values('" & aRecord(0) & "', " &...

Christian Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:52
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table


hmmm, this is getting better, its on the right track
Now I got "to few parameters" error, Even so there are 5 clumns in the
table, and  Iimporting 5 fields


Dim db As DAO.Database
Set db = CurrentDb
strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c, d, e) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
"," & aRecord(1) & "," & aRecord(2) & "," & aRecord(3) & "," & aRecord(8)
& ")"
db.Execute (strSQL)




> hmmmm, don't know what to suggest unless you use DAO then
> Dim db as DAO.Database
> Set db = CurrentDB
> db.Execute(strSql)
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 04:13 PM
>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
> table  I do not have CurrentProject available (i am Access 97, i put
> reference on  Object 2.5 Lirary) I've selected CurrentDB.Connection, but
> get the error  message --
> Operation not supported for this type of object
>
>> try adding this line after
>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>> Set con = CurrentProject.Connection
>> This tells it to use the current database.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 03:34 PM
>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Copy to :
>> Subject : Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access
>> table  I thought I was using the default connection ?
>>
>> Also I tried it using this
>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) &
>> ",  " & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>
>> but I get some pitiful results :(
>>
>>> As far as I can see you haven't setup a connection into the database
>>> for the con variable, so it would be closed when you try the command
>>> con.execute. Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message date : Oct 16 2003, 02:59 PM
>>>>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>> To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Copy to :
>>> Subject : [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table I
>>>  still haven't done this inseting of .csv in access table (had other
>>> things to do first)Those 2 lines still dont work
>>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ","
>>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>> whats wrong here ? When I run similar message from query window it
>>> works fine. This way I get "Operation is not allowed when the object
>>> is closed" error. # 3704 (the first part works more or less
>>> correctly)
>>>
>>> Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>>> Dim strLine As String
>>> Dim aRecord
>>> Dim strSQL As String
>>> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
>>>
>>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv")
>>> Then
>>>
>>>
>>> Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>>>
>>> Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>>>
>>> strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>> 'strline =
>>> aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
>>> aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>>> Debug.Print aRecord(6) & " " & aRecord(7) & " " & aRecord(8)
>>>
>>> strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ","
>>> & aRecord(8) & ")"
>>> con.Execute (strSQL)
>>>
>>> Loop
>>> Else
>>> MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>>> End If
>>>
>>>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 11:28:52 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:28:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227354@main2.marlow.com>

Probably not.  It just sends a 'close' message to the window itself.  If the
thread is locked up, then it needs to be shut down hard.  There is a
TerminateProcess API, but I don't know off hand how to get the handle to an
external process.

Drew

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From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager


Thanks for the code...its steps through fine...finds the window...I get no 
error...but it doesn't do anything to it?  Am I missing a part?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:32:06 -0500
>
>Try this...
>
>Public Declare Function DestroyWindow Lib "user32" (ByVal hwnd As Long) As
>Long
>
>Function fDestroyWindow(WindowName As String)
>On Error GoTo erlevel
>Dim winHwnd As Long
>Dim RetVal As Long
>winHwnd = FindWindow(vbNullString, WindowName)
>If winHwnd <> 0 Then
>RetVal = DestroyWindow(winHwnd)
>End If
>erlevel:
>End Function
>
>It's probably not the best method.....I know there are API's to kill
>threads, but this was in an old project of mine, so it was the first thing 
>I
>had handy.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:03 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can call from A97 
>to
>
>kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 16 11:45:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:45:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312399@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I built an app on an NT platform for installation to a Win98 machine and
had some problems on the Win98 platform, but the whole project was so
hideous, I've put the details out of my mind.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)


On 16 Oct 2003 at 9:49, Griffiths, Richard wrote:

> A colleague has raised a point and I wonder whether anyone in this 
> list has any experience or knowledge of this.

Not first hand, but a buddy of mine had a similar problem, only..

The app was packaged on a 9X system and was installed on his NT4 
workstation. He basically lost use of his workstation until one of the 
guys in his shop created a small installer that all it did was 
replace the installed 9X DLLs with the correct NT4 DLLs

> Package Under XP....Deploy XP >> OK
> Package Under XP....Deploy Win 98/95...possible problems.

I have always read and been told that as long as you build on an NT 
based system (NT, 2K, XP) then you can deploy on 9x and NT based 
boxes.

I can't cite any references though.

So I really don't think that you need to worry about it too nuch.

Although if you are concerned, have a test 9x box to run your 
installs on after building them before releasing.

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Oct 16 12:17:55 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:17:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
Message-ID: <3F8ED2C3.3060304@verizon.net>

I have a report that has 11 categories.  Each are scored from 1 - 100. 
Through refining the report some categories weigh less now for example 
category # 11 weights only 50% of the value thus a perfect score there 
is only worth 50points vs a perfect score on Category ID 1.

I was taking these individual category points and tallying them up and 
sort them in descending order thus those w/ the most points wins (those 
at the top).  Now My boss wants to now take those guys who do not meet 
the goal at category 1 to not be allowed to be in the TOP 10.  I tried 
watering down their points first by only giving them 75% of their total 
points down to 10% but the boss thought that probably wasn't a good idea.

My point is how do you fairly guage this, and how would you do it to 
rank 11 categories over 30 sub-companies

Category	% of 100points
1		100
2		
3		90
4		80
5		80
6		90
7		100
8		90
9		90
10		60
11		50

when I sum up all the points I get something like in the 900 or the 
like, when one sub-company and another are tied, they both take up the 
same ranking number such as 1, 2, 2, 4.  the next spot automatically is 
shifted to the next ranking value not 3rd place, but 4th.  How could I 
take a company that is ranked in 3rd place overall score but knock them 
down to be 11th place only because they didn't meet the primary 
criteria?  What this assures is that anybody that ever fails to meet the 
primary category can't qualify in the top 10.


thanks.
-- 
-Francisco



From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Thu Oct 16 12:24:32 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:24:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825E4@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

I have used   .mda libraries in Access97. How do you do the equivalent, or
how could I "convert" such a library file to work in A2K?

TIA

jack

From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 16 12:30:43 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:30:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBB6@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEAAEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Richard:
In my Wise installation scripts I check whether or not the target system is
a 9x based OS or NT based OS and depending on the condition install
different files (if they are needed).

WinNT comes with certain OLE files pre-installed in the SYSTEM32 directory.
These files are:

COMPOBJ.DLL
OLE2.DLL
OLE2DISP.DLL
OLE2NLS.DLL
STORAGE.DLL
TYPELIB.DLL
STDOLE.TLB

Win9x use files of the same name, but the files are very different.  They
are not guaranteed to be pre-installed.  On those operating systems, the
files are located in the SYSTEM directory.

If you are running WinNT, you will find that you have TWO copies of each of
these files, one in the SYSTEM32 directory and one in the SYSTEM directory.
Because WinNT loads files from the SYSTEM32 directory before it loads files
from the SYSTEM drectory, NT itself always uses the files in the SYSTEM32
directory.

If you are building your distribution disks on a WinNT machine, be sure that
you select the files from the SYSTEM directory and not the files from the
SYSTEM32 directory.  If you install the SYSTEM32 files onto a Win9x
machine, you will corrupt the OLE subsystem and render it inoperative.

You must also be careful that your installation program handles the case of
an NT target machine properly.  It should either:

1)  Not install the above listed files at all.  WindowsNT will have its own
set pre-installed.

2) Install the files to the SYSTEM instead of the SYSTEM32 directory. NT
ignores these files at runtime since it has its own set in the SYSTEM32
directory (which it gives priority to).

Things You Should *NEVER* Do

1) In no case should you unconditionally overwrite the OLE DLLs in the
SYSTEM32 directory with the ones from the SYSTEM directory.  This will
corrupt NT and you will need to manually delete all of those files and
reinstall or repair NT.

2) Do not install the OLE files taken from the SYSTEM32 directory on to a
Win9x machine.  Install the ones from the SYSTEM directory instead.

HTH
John B.

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
> Richard
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:50 AM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Packaging (VB packaging)
>
>
> Hi Group
>
> A colleague has raised a point and I wonder whether anyone in
> this list has
> any experience or knowledge of this.
>
> My colleague has suggested that there is (maybe) a problem when packaging
> Access systems (and VB)  (say using Package Wizard, althought the logic
> could be applied to any packaging software) in that if the package is
> created under XP then the various dll's and so on packaged are those
> designed for XP - and that these may vary, in some cases, to
> those packaged
> when creating a package under NT or Win 98. So that....
>
> Package Under XP....Deploy XP >> OK
> Package Under XP....Deploy Win 98/95...possible problems.
>
> I must admit I did have a problem with one user (win 95) when the
> application did not work properly (lots of strange things - compile errors
> etc) on their machine - yet it worked ok on others -  I think the package
> was created under XP - so this may support the above argument.  As a
> precaution I now package my apps under win 98 (but this is a pain
> on my dual
> boot machine having to boot/reboot/test/repackage to correct then
> /boot/reboot/test and so on)
>
> Has anyone come across this.
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Richard
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 16 12:34:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:34:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825E4@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEHEFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

You just upgrade the MDA to A2K format.  Works fine with a very minimum of
problems (usually none).  Make sure that DAO is referenced in the new A2K
MDA though if you use DAO.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K


I have used   .mda libraries in Access97. How do you do the equivalent, or
how could I "convert" such a library file to work in A2K?

TIA

jack
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 16 12:44:04 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:44:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VBA - all menu functions are disabled
References: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6A6FADB@lbrn12.d20.intra>
Message-ID: <3F8ED8E4.6060109@shaw.ca>

hmm. I ran into something like this with an upgrade version of Access 
2003, yes it is out to large site licenses. I had to reset the security 
menu to get at the macro security check.
Right-click the menu bar or toolbar and choose Customize from the 
shortcut menu. On the Toolbars tab, scroll down and find the Menu Bar. 
Click the name to select it, then click
Reset. Close the dialog, and you should now find Security on Tools / Macro.
In your case in Access XP somewhere there should be a menu reset  after 
right clicking toolbar.

Pain, T. (Tim) wrote:

> On Access XP, in the code window all standard menu items and buttons 
> are disabled, non standard items such as VBACodePrint all work OK. In 
> the main Access window everything seems to work OK.
>
> Any ideas on how I can re-set all of this please?
>
> Many thanks
> Tim Pain
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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Thu Oct 16 13:01:38 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:01:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825E6@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Thanks john.  Worked great!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Library File in A2K


You just upgrade the MDA to A2K format.  Works fine with a very minimum of
problems (usually none).  Make sure that DAO is referenced in the new A2K
MDA though if you use DAO.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K


I have used   .mda libraries in Access97. How do you do the equivalent, or
how could I "convert" such a library file to work in A2K?

TIA

jack
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 13:04:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:04:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227359@main2.marlow.com>

Write a query for the top ten based solely on category 1.  What you need is
the total score for #10.  Then write a query for everyone's score.  If they
aren't in the first querries top 10, subtract the difference between #10 and
#11.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:18 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!


I have a report that has 11 categories.  Each are scored from 1 - 100. 
Through refining the report some categories weigh less now for example 
category # 11 weights only 50% of the value thus a perfect score there 
is only worth 50points vs a perfect score on Category ID 1.

I was taking these individual category points and tallying them up and 
sort them in descending order thus those w/ the most points wins (those 
at the top).  Now My boss wants to now take those guys who do not meet 
the goal at category 1 to not be allowed to be in the TOP 10.  I tried 
watering down their points first by only giving them 75% of their total 
points down to 10% but the boss thought that probably wasn't a good idea.

My point is how do you fairly guage this, and how would you do it to 
rank 11 categories over 30 sub-companies

Category	% of 100points
1		100
2		
3		90
4		80
5		80
6		90
7		100
8		90
9		90
10		60
11		50

when I sum up all the points I get something like in the 900 or the 
like, when one sub-company and another are tied, they both take up the 
same ranking number such as 1, 2, 2, 4.  the next spot automatically is 
shifted to the next ranking value not 3rd place, but 4th.  How could I 
take a company that is ranked in 3rd place overall score but knock them 
down to be 11th place only because they didn't meet the primary 
criteria?  What this assures is that anybody that ever fails to meet the 
primary category can't qualify in the top 10.


thanks.
-- 
-Francisco


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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct 16 13:19:49 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:19:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <200310161700.h9GH0Ze28124@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031016131411.02609720@pop3.highstream.net>

Oleg,

You need to add a debug.print strsql and store your sql statement in that 
string.  i.e.

dim strSQL as string
dim i as integer
strsql = "INSERT into Table1Testing"
strsql = strsql & " (a, b) VALUES ("
for i = 0 to 8
      strsql = strsql & aRecord(i) & ", "
next i
debug.print strsql

This will allow you to build the string and look at it before you try 
executing it.  Once you can look at the SQL string, you will be able to 
trouble shoot it.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:31:19 -0400 (EDT)
>From: <Oleg_123 at xuppa.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <57221.12.3.132.98.1066314679.squirrel at heck.bay9.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>I thought I was using the default connection ?
>
>Also I tried it using this
>  DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT into Table1Testing(a,b) Values(" & aRecord(0) & ", "
>& aRecord(8) & ")"
>
>but I get some pitiful results :(



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 16 14:05:45 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:05:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F105yErMLrEvLI000068c4@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that 
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that 
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every 
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From rfv at entelix.com  Thu Oct 16 15:27:40 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:27:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Message-ID: <200310161928.h9GJS3e28488@databaseadvisors.com>

Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing Barcodes?
MS Access XP
 
Rudolf  F. Vanek
 
 <http://www.entelix.com/> 
 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Oct 16 14:37:43 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:37:43 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884A1@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

<<Barcode Software - bar code activeX, DLL, SAP R-3 bar coding, ean, upc, code 39, code 128....url>> 
http://www.tec-it.com/asp/main/startfr.asp?mainmenu=Download&LN=1


Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 

 

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Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 9:28 a.m.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing Barcodes?
MS Access XP

Rudolf  F. Vanek
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Thu Oct 16 14:36:09 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:36:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C62916B@natexch.jenkens.com>

Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the place
where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB() worked so
well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not exist.

Debbie


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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Oct 16 14:48:06 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:48:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294E4D@NT04.karta.com>

An ActiveX control is not necessary.
There is code available that will print barcodes (I have code for Code39).
Another option is to look for a barcode font, such as Code39.ttf
Most barcode readers will allow the user to designate which code to use.
My recommendation is to research and purchase the barcode reader first.
Then determine the method of printing.
HTH
Jim
 

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From: rfv at entelix.com [mailto:rfv at entelix.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes


Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing Barcodes?
MS Access XP
 
Rudolf  F. Vanek
 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 16 14:54:52 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:54:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F72E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

In ADO no but ADO is meant to be a generic method of connecting to data whereas DAO is not.  You can use CurrentProject if you're using A2K or greater though (I'm still in A97 so my familiarity with CurrentProject is nill).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()


Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the place
where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB() worked so
well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not exist.

Debbie


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Oct 16 14:58:59 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:58:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB889@nnse14.nns.com>

Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that 
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that 
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every 
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 16 15:00:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:00:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
References: <BAY1-F105yErMLrEvLI000068c4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c39420$1803c370$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Mark

 www.lebans.com has a sample mdb that does this quite well in A97 ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


> Hello All,
>
> In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
> has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
> instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
>
> Any Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 15:05:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:05:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227360@main2.marlow.com>

If you are writing ADO within an Access database, to refer to that
database's connection object, use CurrentProject.Connection 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()


Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the place
where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB() worked so
well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not exist.

Debbie


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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 15:06:13 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:06:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
Message-ID: <20031016200613.32962.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>

How do I create an item for an Outlook calendar from MS Access?

A special thanks in advance to the Guru who responds. 



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 16 15:10:00 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:10:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77E7@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

One really simple way to do this is to set the background color of all the
controls on the details section to 'Transparent'. This will result in all
controls showing the background color of the form except for the control
with the focus, which will show up white. You could also put a rectangle
control on the detail section which is colored the way you wish and then
send it to the back.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mark A Matte [SMTP:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
> 
> has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that 
> record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every 
> instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> 
> Any Ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 16 15:11:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:11:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3E3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Are you talking about libraries or add-ins.  In 97, an MDA could be used
as an add-in but the same add-in doesn't work in 2000 and 2002 without
modifications, and even then, it depends on what it's for. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca [mailto:Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Library File in A2K


I have used   .mda libraries in Access97. How do you do the equivalent,
or
how could I "convert" such a library file to work in A2K?

TIA

jack
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 16 15:15:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:15:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631239B@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You can't set a database object in ADO anyhow, because there *is* no
database object in ADO.  CurrentDB should work in Access 2k and later
regardless because it isn't DAO, it's a function built into the
application, but it depends on what you're trying to do with it.  The
ADO equivalent is CurrentProject, which quite handily has a Path
property and a FullName property that will give you either the current
database's path only or its full name and path.   However, it doesn't
return a database object, merely an object.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()


Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the
place where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB()
worked so well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not
exist.

Debbie


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 16 15:25:26 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:25:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
References: <20031016200613.32962.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c39423$a254d2a0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...MS KB 160502 ...HTH :)

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who 
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better." 
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"


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  To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu' ; AccessDevelopers ; ms_access ; AccessD solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:06 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access


  How do I create an item for an Outlook calendar from MS Access?

  A special thanks in advance to the Guru who responds. 



  Lonnie Johnson
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 16 15:25:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:25:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
In-Reply-To: <3F8ED2C3.3060304@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHKFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  The things we are asked to do!  I think I'd make a aliased
"AllowInTop10" field in QueryA, set to True/False based on their meeting the
objective to be allowed in the top 10.  Then sort on that field first, and
the weighted field next.  Thus all companies that meet the criteria will
"float to the top".  I doubt that you can really do this in a single query
however.  Take the "top 10" in QueryA and use it for a sub report, then a
second query using all companies "not in" that QueryA, just sorted on the
raw numeric values used as a second subreport.

You don't mention what happens if only 8 companies make the criteria to be
in the top 10.

Ugly stuff.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:18 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!


I have a report that has 11 categories.  Each are scored from 1 - 100.
Through refining the report some categories weigh less now for example
category # 11 weights only 50% of the value thus a perfect score there
is only worth 50points vs a perfect score on Category ID 1.

I was taking these individual category points and tallying them up and
sort them in descending order thus those w/ the most points wins (those
at the top).  Now My boss wants to now take those guys who do not meet
the goal at category 1 to not be allowed to be in the TOP 10.  I tried
watering down their points first by only giving them 75% of their total
points down to 10% but the boss thought that probably wasn't a good idea.

My point is how do you fairly guage this, and how would you do it to
rank 11 categories over 30 sub-companies

Category	% of 100points
1		100
2
3		90
4		80
5		80
6		90
7		100
8		90
9		90
10		60
11		50

when I sum up all the points I get something like in the 900 or the
like, when one sub-company and another are tied, they both take up the
same ranking number such as 1, 2, 2, 4.  the next spot automatically is
shifted to the next ranking value not 3rd place, but 4th.  How could I
take a company that is ranked in 3rd place overall score but knock them
down to be 11th place only because they didn't meet the primary
criteria?  What this assures is that anybody that ever fails to meet the
primary category can't qualify in the top 10.


thanks.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 16 15:26:50 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:26:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227362@main2.marlow.com>

Depends on the complexity you need.  You can directly link Exchange/Outlook
folders to an Access db.  Thus, it's just a matter of adding a record.
However, Appointment items are a subset of the message items.  What you will
get in the linked tables is the Message item fields, so you won't have
everything an appointment has. If you need everything an appointment has,
you'll need to use CDO.
 
Drew

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To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; ms_access; AccessD
solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access


 
How do I create an item for an Outlook calendar from MS Access?

A special thanks in advance to the Guru who responds. 



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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Thu Oct 16 17:05:15 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:05:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C62916B@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <026401c39431$94104b30$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

This might be of interest

Comparison of DAO and ADO Recordset Syntax

These examples provide DAO programmers with a brief reference to ADO syntax.

You are the correct audience for this page if you already know about
programming Microsoft's "DAO Recordsets," and are enrolled in MIS 333k using
the textbook Beginning Access 2000 VBA, Smith and Sussman, Wrox, 1999. The
next generation recordset interface is referred to as ActiveX Data Objects
(ADO). It brings a slightly different interface syntax (your DAO knowledge
will transfer nicely) and a much more powerful and consistent toolkit for
accessing today's variety of PC and mainframe database formats.

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/poynor/access2000/sjdaoadorecordsets.html

Dave

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From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ADO CurrentDB()


Is there an equivalent of CurrentDB() in ADO?  Explicitly defining the place
where a database resides is much easier to break.  CurrentDB() worked so
well in DAO it is hard to believe that an equivalent does not exist.

Debbie




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 16 17:09:39 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:09:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
In-Reply-To: <200310161928.h9GJS3e28488@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F8FA3C3.3063.2935B3@localhost>

On 16 Oct 2003 at 14:27, rfv at entelix.com wrote:

> Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing Barcodes?
> MS Access XP
>  
Any special reason for a control?

I create barcodes regularly in Access reports just using a textbox 
and a barcode font. (There are plenty of them available  - both 
freeware and commercial).






 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 16 17:26:22 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:26:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD77DC@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3F8FA7AE.23569.388457@localhost>

On 16 Oct 2003 at 10:22, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

  
> My simple demo code looks up data in half a million records and it plainly
> demonstrates that with an index it's quite fast, and without an index it's
> slow as a cow swimming in a treacle-filled pool. So where does that make the
> results meaningless? Now if you want to argue about whether .findfirst takes
> 0.05 seconds, or 0.04 or 0.0001 seconds then of course my code is not going
> to answer the question. It was about index versus non-indexed searches,
> that's all.
> 

Sorry, I thought that you were comparing numeric v text , not indexed 
v index.  

After all, that is the Subject of the email and you did say:

"As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a 
test Db I threw together."

Followed by
"But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long 
to search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as 
huge performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of 
a second."

In terms of your "main point", I repeat - the results were 
meaningless.  You were using Timer to measure the duration of 
operations taking "thousandths of a second" and where most of the 
operations within the loop were not related to the search.







 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 16 20:14:04 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:14:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB889@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEIDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
current line number.  In my framework I use
.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
replaces the function?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


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From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 16 23:05:58 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:05:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <20031014180010.84443.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
 <17846221523.20031014205234@cactus.dk> <3F8E1FFA.7050902@shaw.ca>
 <17825126900.20031016155248@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3F8F6AA6.1000300@shaw.ca>

Functions came from
http://www.visual-basic-data-mining.net/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=616
somebody posted from a company pareto.com

Pareto Chart This simple bar chart is the most widely used data display 
tool in Six Sigma because it identifies which problems occur with the 
greatest frequency or incur the highest cost and therefore should be 
attacked first. A typical chart might feature reasons for the problem 
along the horizontal axis and frequency or location along the vertical 
axis. Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto theorized that 20% of possible 
causes are responsible for 80% of any problem.

What I was thinking of doing was dumping everything into matrices to do 
the calculations for speed
sort of like this rather than trying to resolve everything in SQL.

'3 columns and 50 rows into StateDate(2,49)
Dim StateDate (2,49) as String
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
Set rs = CurrentDB.Openrecordset( _
         SELECT Name, ShortName, TaxRate FROM tblSalesTax', dbOpenDynaset)
StateData = rs.GetRows(50)
rs.Close
Set rs = Nothing

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Marty
>
>Interesting functions. Where have you obtained those?
>
>However, they are not quite valid for the original subject as you
>can't count on having a fixed number of selected items; you need
>minimum two (if two rows carry the same amount, only positive and
>negative, they will sum to zero) but the selection could as well
>include all items and anything in between.
>
>A collection of two has four combinations
>
>  0 0
>  1 0
>  0 1
>  1 1
>
>but we rule out the selection of none and one item leaving only one
>useful selection (1,1) out of four.
>
>For every item added after the first two you have twice as many
>combinations. Thus, the number of different useful combinations is 2^n
>minus 3 or 
>
>  2^(n-1)-1
>
>This doesn't help us much, though, as you all know that 2 raised to
>something very quickly turns out as astronomical numbers.
>
>At n = 20 we have already passed 0.5 mio. combinations and at n = 30
>five hundred mio. At numbers like these applying brute computing power
>only makes no sense, you have to be smart too.
>
>Here, for example, one can quickly see that selecting positive or
>negative values only would lead to nothing as such a collection would
>never sum to zero. You would need to separate the items in two pools,
>positives and negatives, and for any valid combination from pool
>Positives compare the sum to any valid combination from pool Negatives
>and check if the absolute value of the two sums are equal.
>
>The number of tests would be:
>
>  (2^(p-1)-1) * (2^(n-1)-1)
>
>Still comes out as large numbers; matching 10 positives and 10
>negatives results in 261121 combinations ...
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>With six objects A,B,C,D,E,F you would have 20 unique combinations 
>>without regard to order.
>>Try code below to calculate the number of objects you can reasonably 
>>use, the calculation fails on overflow when n > 170
>>There are several methods to list out these combinations, in one of 
>>Knuth's programming textbooks.
>>I believe the third volume. I haven't got a copy handy, it's in another 
>>province. TAOCP should be required reading. 
>>http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Counting combinations - example
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>How many different groups of 3 could be selected from the 5 objects A, 
>>B, C, D, E?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>5 ways to select the first, 4 to then select the second, and 3 ways to 
>>select the third, so 5*4*3 ways to choose when order matters
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>But, every group of 3 (e.g. A, B, C) is counted 6 (=3!) times: ABC, ACB, 
>>BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>So, total number of groups when ignore order is 5*4*3/(3*2*1) = 10
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>5! / 3!(5-3)! 120/6*2 =10
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Counting combinations
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>In general, the number of different groups of r objects out of n is
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>n* (n-1) * ... * (n-r+1)/r! = n!/( r! (n-r)! )
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>This number is written ( nr ), and is pronounced n choose r
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Example: How many 5 card poker hands are possible (out of a deck of 52 
>>cards)?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>There are ( 525 ) = 2,598,960 poker hands
>>    
>>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Oct 17 02:42:53 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:42:53 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <3F8F6AA6.1000300@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <01ed01c39482$45e80a00$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>


This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to say
about Microsoft's Plans for Office.

Stuart

-----------------------------------------
1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
System 2003" ships.

If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an orphan.
Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but with all the
talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of Office that'll ship
with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical - I think VBA in Office
2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made essentially no enhancements to
VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office 2003 Developer's Edition. Pretty
slim pickin's.

You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my teeth
on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers should face the
facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a better job.

I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 17 05:17:07 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:17:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F9778@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I bought this one several years ago. 
Works fine for me...

http://www.anextech.com

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 oktober 2003 0:10
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Active X Barcodes


On 16 Oct 2003 at 14:27, rfv at entelix.com wrote:

> Can anybody recomend a ActiveX control for creating and printing 
> Barcodes? MS Access XP
>  
Any special reason for a control?

I create barcodes regularly in Access reports just using a textbox 
and a barcode font. (There are plenty of them available  - both 
freeware and commercial).






 
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri Oct 17 06:13:36 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:13:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] VBA - all menu functions are disabled
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6A73373@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Hi Marty,

I had thought much the same and tried it yesterday wih no luck, but
tried it again and it's OK now!

Many thanks
Tim 


-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: 16 October 2003 18:44
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBA - all menu functions are disabled


hmm. I ran into something like this with an upgrade version of Access 
2003, yes it is out to large site licenses. I had to reset the security 
menu to get at the macro security check.
Right-click the menu bar or toolbar and choose Customize from the 
shortcut menu. On the Toolbars tab, scroll down and find the Menu Bar. 
Click the name to select it, then click
Reset. Close the dialog, and you should now find Security on Tools /
Macro. In your case in Access XP somewhere there should be a menu reset
after 
right clicking toolbar.

Pain, T. (Tim) wrote:

> On Access XP, in the code window all standard menu items and buttons
> are disabled, non standard items such as VBACodePrint all work OK. In 
> the main Access window everything seems to work OK.
>
> Any ideas on how I can re-set all of this please?
>
> Many thanks
> Tim Pain
> Akzo Nobel Surface Chemistry
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 17 06:51:04 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:51:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi
 
Here's some stripped down code that I use in my small TAPI application
to create an appointment  in my calender whenever a phonecall comes in
and I choose to accept and posibly invoice.
 
http://www.ithelps.be/temp/CreateOutlookAppointmentItem.txt
 
Hope this helps...
 
Erwin
 
 
 

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	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Drew Wutka
	Verzonden: donderdag 16 oktober 2003 22:27
	Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
	
	
	Depends on the complexity you need.  You can directly link
Exchange/Outlook folders to an Access db.  Thus, it's just a matter of
adding a record.  However, Appointment items are a subset of the message
items.  What you will get in the linked tables is the Message item
fields, so you won't have everything an appointment has. If you need
everything an appointment has, you'll need to use CDO.
	 
	Drew

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		Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
		To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers;
ms_access; AccessD solving'
		Subject: [AccessD] Create calendar item from Access
		
		
		 
		How do I create an item for an Outlook calendar from MS
Access?
		
		A special thanks in advance to the Guru who responds. 



		Lonnie Johnson
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 07:18:27 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:18:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <01ed01c39482$45e80a00$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJCFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge.

And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve I have ever faced!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office



This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to
say
about Microsoft's Plans for Office.

Stuart

-----------------------------------------
1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
System 2003" ships.

If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an
orphan.
Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but with all
the
talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of Office that'll
ship
with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical - I think VBA in
Office
2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made essentially no enhancements
to
VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office 2003 Developer's Edition.
Pretty
slim pickin's.

You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my
teeth
on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers should face
the
facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a better job.

I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Oct 17 07:25:30 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:25:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - MDE
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBBD@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

I am about to make my application into an mde - we have a hundred or so
customers with the mdb already running under runtime.  
Does anyone have a definitvie list of functions that do not work with mde's.
For example creating references on the fly foes not work, importing
form/report/module objects.


Many thanks

Richard


From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 07:33:26 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:33:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F105yErMLrEvLI000068c4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCECHHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  I have a sample database I worked up Expert's Exchange.  Anyone interested
in a copy just send me an e-mail off-list.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 07:50:55 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:50:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEIDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEECIHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would be
faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
bookmarks.

 You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly different
technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying of
different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
current line number.  In my framework I use
.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
replaces the function?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Oct 17 07:59:22 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:59:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - MDE
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


1) Modifying the rowsource of a report thus saving the report from VBA
in MDE.
2) When having listboxes you need to have a correct rowsource on the
control when you modify the rowsource with VBA.
I tended to hav no rowsource on the control for faster loading but than
in MDE/runtime you get no content...
Erwin





-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Griffiths, Richard
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 oktober 2003 14:26
Aan: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Onderwerp: [AccessD] A97 - MDE


Hi Group

I am about to make my application into an mde - we have a hundred or so
customers with the mdb already running under runtime.  
Does anyone have a definitvie list of functions that do not work with
mde's. For example creating references on the fly foes not work,
importing form/report/module objects.


Many thanks

Richard

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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Fri Oct 17 08:02:48 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:02:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJCFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001701c394ae$fa66d750$4f360cd8@hargrove.internal>

I agree with you, John.  I just started swimming in the VS.NET pool myself.
The hardest part for me is getting used to the Object-Oriented stuff but
your framework and class examples over the years really helped to cut the
learning curve on that quite a bit.

I just made my first user control (a time picker using a textbox and some
domainupdown controls) and it was a lot of fun...

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Vba and Office


...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge.

And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve I have ever faced!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office



This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to
say
about Microsoft's Plans for Office.

Stuart

-----------------------------------------
1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
System 2003" ships.

If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an
orphan. Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but
with all the talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of
Office that'll ship with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical -
I think VBA in Office 2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made
essentially no enhancements to VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office
2003 Developer's Edition. Pretty slim pickin's.

You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my
teeth on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers
should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a
better job.

I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 08:07:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEECIHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEJFFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like the
plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


John,

  Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would be
faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
bookmarks.

 You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly different
technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying of
different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
current line number.  In my framework I use
.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
replaces the function?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From backroad at idir.net  Fri Oct 17 09:13:21 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:13:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity
References: <007901c39351$30ca6370$6501a8c0@Julie>
Message-ID: <001a01c394b8$d43fa520$6501a8c0@Julie>

Sorry for the re-posting - my email service has been intermittant over the last couple of days and I have not been receiving all mail.

If you've written me on this project and I haven't responded, please email me again.  I will reply to every message.  Thank you.

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Backroads Data 
  To: AccessD 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:18 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity


  Dear AccessD Listers,

  I have a small project for a non-U.S./non-Canadian Access97 coder.  We are modifying an existing application so that it can be used by customers outside the U.S. and Canada.  App interface will still be in English, but 'international' version will handle various currencies, address / phone formats, and non-U.S. date formatting.

  I'm doing all mods except those required to handle dates properly in SQL.  That is the part being sub-contracted in this project.  The scope of this project involves reviewing all SQL and modifying any that deals with date values, in the manner that has often been discussed on this list:  

  Format(dateValue, "mm\/dd\/yyyy")

  All modifications of this type should then be tested to ensure proper functionality (primary reason I'm requesting someone outside US/Canada to work on this).

  Here are some specs on this app:

  Access97, FE/BE, distributed as Access97 runtime mde using Sagekey scripts.  SQL needs to be reviewed throughout, including saved queries, modules, form/report control sources.  The app contains these objects (though not all deal with dates):
  42 queries
  82 forms
  57 reports
  26 modules

  The development mdb will be ready (meaning all non-SQL-related mods have been completed) for you on or before Oct. 24, and this project needs to be completed by Nov. 14.  Project deliverables include the modified mdb (obviously), and a simple list of objects modified (example of list entries: "qryApptsList", "mdlSchedule.fctNextAppt", etc.)

  If you want additional information about this application, you can find it at www.farriersoftware.com .  You're also welcome to dowload a demo of the app from there (this requires filling out a form first - please put "AccessD" in the comments so we don't think you're a potential customer!)

  Please email me direct at backroad at idir.net if you're interested or have any questions.  Thank you!

  Best Regards,

  Julie Schwalm
  Backroads Data
  www.backroadsdata.com
  785-594-6807


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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Oct 17 09:24:12 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:12 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Vba and Office
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D71@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hi John,

Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using classes in access
so its worth the effort for me....

question: are going to vb.net or c#?

alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Colby
Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Oktober 2003 14:18
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] Vba and Office


...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge.

And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve I have ever faced!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office



This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to
say
about Microsoft's Plans for Office.

Stuart

-----------------------------------------
1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
System 2003" ships.

If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an
orphan.
Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but with all
the
talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of Office that'll
ship
with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical - I think VBA in
Office
2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made essentially no enhancements
to
VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office 2003 Developer's Edition.
Pretty
slim pickin's.

You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my
teeth
on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers should face
the
facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a better job.

I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.


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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 09:33:21 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:33:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F34py3PndEmnQC00007634@hotmail.com>

A person I know upgraded his computer on a 2 person LAN with a machine three 
times as fast.  His data was kept on his secretary's computer on a 100 mbit 
LAN connnection.  I warned him that he wouldn't likely see significant 
difference in performance.  In fact, he could see no difference.  I had 
warned him that a bit of time looking at indexes and addressing data volume 
and recordset size would probably be of more benefit and when all was said 
and done, he came asking for help.  Processor speed has rarely been the 
bottleneck in most Access deployments.

I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither of 
them show up yet.  The last was over 36 hours ago and I've seen once 
response to it that included an excerpt of my post.  I wonder what fraction 
of all posts made to the list that I ever see.  I tried looking at Drew's 
archive but if I search on my name, the last post by me is August 30, 2003.  
I'll send this once per day for the next week until I see it show up.

Hen


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
>
>You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
>everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only 
>code
>for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
>change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
>decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to 
>modify
>also.
>
>Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.  
>But
>the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
>with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
>with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
>future variables?
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>Ah but...
>
>one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
>a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
>different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
>fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
>original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, 
>but
>it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.
>
>As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db 
>I
>threw together.
>
>Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
>string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
>and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
>integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
>The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
>the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
>search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
>Sub testSearch()
>Dim n As Long
>Dim s As String
>
>Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
>Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
>Dim TextSearchTime As Single
>Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
>Dim x As Long
>Dim strHits As Long
>Dim intHits As Long
>Dim db As Database
>Dim rs As Recordset
>Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
>NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
>TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
>"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000") 
>&
>" Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
>End Sub
>
>
>And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
>As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
>surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
>The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search 
>times
>steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on 
>here.
>But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
>search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
>performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
>There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
>I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
>indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
>field as well as the string one).
>
>Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left 
>intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let 
>it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the 
>"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* 
>identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should 
>not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, 
>but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later 
>on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, 
>to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In 
>addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or 
>first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for 
>addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, 
>because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's 
>stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in 
>that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 09:51:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:51:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D71@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJIFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Alun,

Personally I am going with VB initially.  One of the things that MS stresses
is that choice of language makes very little difference anymore.  The
framework is used identically between the various languages, and in fact the
language "compiler" itself is a thin layer on top of the framework.  It
really ends up being "what language are you most comfortable with".  Having
said that, there are a handful of things that C# can do that VB can't -
things like pointer manipulations and stuff.  If you don't need those
things, and you are most comfortable with VB, then VB is the best choice for
you.

I worked in a custom C compiler for a controller project for about two years
back in '95-'97, however I am much more comfortable with the VB syntax, thus
I choose VB.

I will probably eventually switch to C# simply due to the long ingrained
idiocy displayed by program managers that VB is a toy language and C is for
real men (women don't EVEN apply).  However I intend to get fully up to
speed on the VS IDE as well as the framework itself before making the
switch.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Garraway, Alun
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Vba and Office


hi John,

Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using classes in access
so its worth the effort for me....

question: are going to vb.net or c#?

alun




From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Oct 17 12:32:51 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:32:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHKFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHKFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F9027C3.7050904@verizon.net>

Sorry for the delay in responding... I'm doing 4 different things at 
once :S, oh well so goes the day :).

I like this idea to pre-tag each row who met the criteria as a candidate 
and then sort so that they float to the top.  This seems to be what I 
want I will forward it on the Boss who will probably have me scrap the 
whole thing :D

at least it's Friday :D

John Colby wrote:

> LOL.  The things we are asked to do!  I think I'd make a aliased
> "AllowInTop10" field in QueryA, set to True/False based on their meeting the
> objective to be allowed in the top 10.  Then sort on that field first, and
> the weighted field next.  Thus all companies that meet the criteria will
> "float to the top".  I doubt that you can really do this in a single query
> however.  Take the "top 10" in QueryA and use it for a sub report, then a
> second query using all companies "not in" that QueryA, just sorted on the
> raw numeric values used as a second subreport.
> 
> You don't mention what happens if only 8 companies make the criteria to be
> in the top 10.
> 
> Ugly stuff.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
> Tapia
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:18 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Who likes math!
> 
> 
> I have a report that has 11 categories.  Each are scored from 1 - 100.
> Through refining the report some categories weigh less now for example
> category # 11 weights only 50% of the value thus a perfect score there
> is only worth 50points vs a perfect score on Category ID 1.
> 
> I was taking these individual category points and tallying them up and
> sort them in descending order thus those w/ the most points wins (those
> at the top).  Now My boss wants to now take those guys who do not meet
> the goal at category 1 to not be allowed to be in the TOP 10.  I tried
> watering down their points first by only giving them 75% of their total
> points down to 10% but the boss thought that probably wasn't a good idea.
> 
> My point is how do you fairly guage this, and how would you do it to
> rank 11 categories over 30 sub-companies
> 
> Category	% of 100points
> 1		100
> 2
> 3		90
> 4		80
> 5		80
> 6		90
> 7		100
> 8		90
> 9		90
> 10		60
> 11		50
> 
> when I sum up all the points I get something like in the 900 or the
> like, when one sub-company and another are tied, they both take up the
> same ranking number such as 1, 2, 2, 4.  the next spot automatically is
> shifted to the next ranking value not 3rd place, but 4th.  How could I
> take a company that is ranked in 3rd place overall score but knock them
> down to be 11th place only because they didn't meet the primary
> criteria?  What this assures is that anybody that ever fails to meet the
> primary category can't qualify in the top 10.
> 
> 
> thanks.
> --
> -Francisco
> 
-- 
-Francisco



From chizotz at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 11:10:45 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:10:45 -0400
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D71@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <web-6403521@rems10.cluster1.charter.net>

Alun,

I work almost exclusively in C# now. It is not without 
it's quirks and drawbacks, but overall I'm very impressed 
and pleased. Once you get past the initial learning curve, 
its Good Stuff. That is, of course, my opinion, and no 
doubt others here will disagree.

Another player in my shop has settled on vb.net, and she 
is finding the transition more painful that I did for my 
leap from VBA to C#. Maybe its because I was learning 
syntax as well as the .NET way of doing things and so 
expected nothing to transfer. When my previous knowledge 
did transfer, even a little, it was a pleasant surprise. I 
think she's fighting with expectations that aren't panning 
out as well as she'd hoped.

My own question on this subject: is there any reason at 
all to make a move to C++.net? From where I sit, it looks 
like another steep learning curve for comparatively little 
gain. My understanding is that with C++ you can have finer 
control over some things but at the cost of giving up 
managed code... that seems like an unwise choice unless 
(one of my favorite phrases) there are compelling reasons 
to do so. Any thoughts?

Ron


On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:12 +0200
  "Garraway, Alun" <Alun.Garraway at otto.de> wrote:
>hi John,
>
>Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using 
>classes in access
>so its worth the effort for me....
>
>question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>
>alun
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag 
>von John Colby
>Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Oktober 2003 14:18
>An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Betreff: RE: [AccessD] Vba and Office
>
>
>...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the 
>VS.NET plunge.
>
>And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve 
>I have ever faced!
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com

From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 17 09:57:13 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:57:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D71@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <003f01c394be$f7470670$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Maybe we need another list? I'm not suggesting that because I don't want to
see the post -- but because it's probably a good candidate.

Susan H.


> hi John,
>
> Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using classes in
access
> so its worth the effort for me....
>
> question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>
> alun



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 11:13:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:13:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F34py3PndEmnQC00007634@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJMFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither
of them show up yet.

Just goes to show, "processor speed is rarely the bottleneck".

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


A person I know upgraded his computer on a 2 person LAN with a machine three
times as fast.  His data was kept on his secretary's computer on a 100 mbit
LAN connnection.  I warned him that he wouldn't likely see significant
difference in performance.  In fact, he could see no difference.  I had
warned him that a bit of time looking at indexes and addressing data volume
and recordset size would probably be of more benefit and when all was said
and done, he came asking for help.  Processor speed has rarely been the
bottleneck in most Access deployments.

I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither of
them show up yet.  The last was over 36 hours ago and I've seen once
response to it that included an excerpt of my post.  I wonder what fraction
of all posts made to the list that I ever see.  I tried looking at Drew's
archive but if I search on my name, the last post by me is August 30, 2003.
I'll send this once per day for the next week until I see it show up.

Hen


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
>
>You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
>everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
>code
>for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
>change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
>decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
>modify
>also.
>
>Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
>But
>the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
>with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
>with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
>future variables?
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>Ah but...
>
>one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
>a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
>different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
>fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
>original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
>but
>it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.
>
>As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db
>I
>threw together.
>
>Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
>string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
>and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
>integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
>The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
>the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
>search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
>Sub testSearch()
>Dim n As Long
>Dim s As String
>
>Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
>Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
>Dim TextSearchTime As Single
>Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
>Dim x As Long
>Dim strHits As Long
>Dim intHits As Long
>Dim db As Database
>Dim rs As Recordset
>Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
>NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
>TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
>"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")
>&
>" Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
>End Sub
>
>
>And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
>As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
>surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
>The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
>times
>steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
>here.
>But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
>search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
>performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
>There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
>I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
>indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
>field as well as the string one).
>
>Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
>intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
>it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
>"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
>identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
>not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
>but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
>on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values,
>to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
>addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
>first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
>addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
>because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
>stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
>that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Fri Oct 17 10:27:40 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:27:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D62F7@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>
References: <B1D2865923C6D411B13200508BAE0B03086D62F7@perscomex81.hoffman.army.mil>
Message-ID: <14044.12.3.132.98.1066404460.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

> Are any of the values strings?  If so they need to be wrapped in single
> quotes.
>
> Values('" & aRecord(0) & "', " &...

I know but that keeps creating additional problems for last Names thats
have apostrophe (now it thinks that O is one field
and Brian is the next one) The funny thing is that I had to do 7 commands
that transfer data from and back to txt/csv code, I did 6, and stuck on
this one. I am thinking since this particalur data is coming from csv, to
just have a macro there that would mid() that date field...

>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 12:56:32 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:56:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <003f01c394be$f7470670$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKAFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

We already have a VB list.  I must say at this point it isn't used much.
8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vba and Office


Maybe we need another list? I'm not suggesting that because I don't want to
see the post -- but because it's probably a good candidate.

Susan H.


> hi John,
>
> Already started (vb.net), through .net have started using classes in
access
> so its worth the effort for me....
>
> question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>
> alun


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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 17 10:51:27 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:51:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEBAFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer)
?

JB


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 17 13:04:04 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:04:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEBAFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3F8FF6D4.21844.11B0A9@localhost>

On 17 Oct 2003 at 10:51, John B. wrote:

> Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:
> 
> Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> to:
> Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

I don't. I Keep the parameters as they are.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Don't take life too seriously. You won't get out alive.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 17 13:19:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:19:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123A2@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question


A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

JB

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 17 13:33:04 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:33:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F739@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

>>since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information<<

Charlotte are you sure about that?  I don't include prefixes in procedure arguments  for just the opposite reason (Intellisense does show the argument name and data type when you type the function name in a code window).

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question


A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

JB

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Oct 17 13:36:14 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:36:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Convert To 2K Dialog
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E00CF@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I need to convert a db from 97 to 2K. It does not give me the Open / Convert
choice anymore when I open the database. How can I get it back so I can
convert the database?

Virginia

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 09:58:07 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:58:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEJFFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEDAHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  Yes, the bound OLE object control is native to Access.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Jim,

Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like the
plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


John,

  Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would be
faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
bookmarks.

 You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly different
technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying of
different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
current line number.  In my framework I use
.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
replaces the function?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?

Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 13:39:26 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:39:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKAFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-21505983@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>

I respectfully suggest consideration of a C# list. It 
seems to me that many developers making the jump to .NET 
are targeting C#. That's just an impression, based on some 
conversations here in my shop and also with members of the 
local VB users group. No real data to back it up.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:56:32 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>We already have a VB list.  I must say at this point it 
>isn't used much.
>8-(
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
>Susan Harkins
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:57 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vba and Office
>
>
>Maybe we need another list? I'm not suggesting that 
>because I don't want to
>see the post -- but because it's probably a good 
>candidate.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
>> hi John,
>>
>> Already started (vb.net), through .net have started 
>>using classes in
>access
>> so its worth the effort for me....
>>
>> question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>>
>> alun

From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 17 13:41:24 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:41:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Convert To 2K Dialog
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E00CF@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3F8FFF94.24537.33DC65@localhost>

On 17 Oct 2003 at 13:36, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> I need to convert a db from 97 to 2K. It does not give me the Open /
> Convert choice anymore when I open the database. How can I get it back
> so I can convert the database?

Open A2K with no DB. 
Select Tools| Database Utilities| Convert Database| To Current Access 
Database Version...

Browse for the db and click Convert

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 13:47:40 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:47:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F13ccYTjr8cU6x0001bee2@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor) 
ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with the 
control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of 
fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this is 
in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE 
UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether or 
not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  Any 
thoughts?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
>
>Jim,
>
>Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like the
>plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>John,
>
>   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would 
>be
>faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
>invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
>long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
>bookmarks.
>
>  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly 
>different
>technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
>The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying 
>of
>different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
>current line number.  In my framework I use
>.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
>replaces the function?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
>http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
>has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
>record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
>instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
>
>Any Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 13:50:04 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:50:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Convert To 2K Dialog
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E00CF@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEKDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

You can't.  Just open Access itself, then select Tools / Database Utilities
/ Convert / To Current Version.  A dialog will open allowing you to select a
db to convert.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Convert To 2K Dialog


I need to convert a db from 97 to 2K. It does not give me the Open / Convert
choice anymore when I open the database. How can I get it back so I can
convert the database?

Virginia
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 17 13:52:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:52:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <web-21505983@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEKDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

If we are going to do this, I would suggest a .net list.  The death of a
list is no traffic, and if we group all .net development into a single list
until it gets up to critical mass, then we could consider splitting off the
pieces.  In the end, I think very little traffic would be c# specific as
opposed to "how does this framework widget work".

At this point, all such traffic is happening under the VB list.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vba and Office


I respectfully suggest consideration of a C# list. It
seems to me that many developers making the jump to .NET
are targeting C#. That's just an impression, based on some
conversations here in my shop and also with members of the
local VB users group. No real data to back it up.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:56:32 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>We already have a VB list.  I must say at this point it
>isn't used much.
>8-(
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>Susan Harkins
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:57 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Vba and Office
>
>
>Maybe we need another list? I'm not suggesting that
>because I don't want to
>see the post -- but because it's probably a good
>candidate.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
>> hi John,
>>
>> Already started (vb.net), through .net have started
>>using classes in
>access
>> so its worth the effort for me....
>>
>> question: are going to vb.net or c#?
>>
>> alun
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 13:54:55 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F13ccYTjr8cU6x0001bee2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEEDJHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord and
lngOriginalColor are module level variables.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

Private Sub Form_Current()

  Dim rst As Recordset

  Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone

  ' Set background color of last record back to default.
  If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
    ' Nothing to do
  Else
      rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
      rst.Edit
        rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
      rst.Update
      Set rst = Nothing
  End If

  ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
  varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark

  lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
  Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3


End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Hello All,

thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with the
control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this is
in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether or
not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  Any
thoughts?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
>
>Jim,
>
>Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like the
>plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>John,
>
>   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would
>be
>faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a requery
>invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
>long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example using
>bookmarks.
>
>  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
>different
>technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row colors.
>The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying
>of
>different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
>current line number.  In my framework I use
>.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
>replaces the function?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
>http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row that
>has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
>record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
>instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
>
>Any Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 17 13:58:25 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:58:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEKDFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <web-21505983@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <3F900391.10571.4372BE@localhost>

On 17 Oct 2003 at 14:39 Ron Allen wrote:

> I respectfully suggest consideration of a C# list. 

Then On 17 Oct 2003 at 14:52, John Colby wrote:

> At this point, all such traffic is happening under the VB list.

Now I'm writiing:

I would suggest that any C# discussion take place on DBA-Tech. It's 
"mandate" is:

"This list is for the discussion of Hardware and Software related 
issues that don't belong into any specific list"

If the volume becomes large enough then sure we could consider a .Net 
or C# specific list

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a 
mistake when you make it again.



From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Oct 17 14:46:36 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:46:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <14044.12.3.132.98.1066404460.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <000901c394e7$601a04e0$7001a8c0@COA3>

>problems for last Names thats have apostrophe

You need double singles for these names (or any value in a sql string
with an apostrophe in it).  Surround the value with a Replace ... 

Replace(arecord(0), "'","''")

I notice a lot of 97 on the list, Replace is only in 2k+.  I have a
function for 97 somewhere, but you could write it with mid, loop the
string, put in '' if you find '

Hth,
Steve



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Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table


> Are any of the values strings?  If so they need to be wrapped in 
> single quotes.
>
> Values('" & aRecord(0) & "', " &...

I know but that keeps creating additional problems for last Names thats
have apostrophe (now it thinks that O is one field and Brian is the next
one) The funny thing is that I had to do 7 commands that transfer data
from and back to txt/csv code, I did 6, and stuck on this one. I am
thinking since this particalur data is coming from csv, to just have a
macro there that would mid() that date field...

>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 17 14:49:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:49:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123A3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You may be right ... My memory is as old as the rest of me.  In any
case, I use prefixes.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


>>since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information<<

Charlotte are you sure about that?  I don't include prefixes in
procedure arguments  for just the opposite reason (Intellisense does
show the argument name and data type when you type the function name in
a code window).

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question


A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

JB

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 17 14:56:19 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:56:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123A3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003601c394e8$bb7fe330$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I've moved to using prefixes in all new work simply because it
standardizes everything ...:)

William Hindman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


> You may be right ... My memory is as old as the rest of me.  In any
> case, I use prefixes.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question
>
>
> >>since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information<<
>
> Charlotte are you sure about that?  I don't include prefixes in
> procedure arguments  for just the opposite reason (Intellisense does
> show the argument name and data type when you type the function name in
> a code window).
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director Product Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question
>
>
> I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
> Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
> since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
>
>
> A simple opinion question:
>
> Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:
>
> Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> to:
> Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?
>
> JB
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 17 15:42:33 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:42:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJCFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F905439.4090607@shaw.ca>

It is not just VBA. The VB6 certification exam is being retired next year.
http://www.devx.com/codemag/Article/17438
Funnily enough I have had a couple of people asking me about using 
Cobol.Net from Fujitsu.
to replace some mainframe apps. So it is not just C# or VB.net. You can 
dust off some of your old Cobol skills. However I have heard rumblings 
of Office 12 still using VBA.

John Colby wrote:

>...VBA programmers should face the facts and take the VS.NET plunge.
>
>And do it NOW.  VS.Net is not the smallest learning curve I have ever faced!
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:43 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Vba and Office
>
>
>
>This may have already been discussed on this list (I don't always actively
>follow it anymore).   The latest Woody's Office Watch had the following to
>say
>about Microsoft's Plans for Office.
>
>Stuart
>
>-----------------------------------------
>1. VISUAL STUDIO.NET FOR OFFICE 2003 SHIPS
>Er, ahem, make that "Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office
>System 2003" ships.
>
>If you're using Visual Basic for Applications, you're working with an
>orphan.
>Microsoft says it will keep VBA in one more version of Office, but with all
>the
>talk about Longhorn and Bullhorn (my name for the version of Office that'll
>ship
>with Longhorn in 2005 or 2006 or 2007), I'm skeptical - I think VBA in
>Office
>2003 is probably the last VBA we'll see. MS made essentially no enhancements
>to
>VBA in Office 2003. They don't sell an Office 2003 Developer's Edition.
>Pretty
>slim pickin's.
>
>You old (and I mean that in the kindest possible way - remember, I cut my
>teeth
>on WordBasic, which was dumped for VBA eons ago) VBA programmers should face
>the
>facts and take the VS.NET plunge. Either that, or find a better job.
>
>I mean *that* in the kindest possible way, too.
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 17 10:36:51 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:36:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222736E@main2.marlow.com>

It showed up...grin.

Couldn't agree more.  Processor speed isn't a bottleneck in Access, but my
point is that it's no excuse to not optimize your db's for speed, whether it
is for faster LAN access or even for local db's, because I promise that it's
more likely a db will go from local to network then it is for the US postal
service changing the Zip Code system! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


A person I know upgraded his computer on a 2 person LAN with a machine three

times as fast.  His data was kept on his secretary's computer on a 100 mbit 
LAN connnection.  I warned him that he wouldn't likely see significant 
difference in performance.  In fact, he could see no difference.  I had 
warned him that a bit of time looking at indexes and addressing data volume 
and recordset size would probably be of more benefit and when all was said 
and done, he came asking for help.  Processor speed has rarely been the 
bottleneck in most Access deployments.

I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither of

them show up yet.  The last was over 36 hours ago and I've seen once 
response to it that included an excerpt of my post.  I wonder what fraction 
of all posts made to the list that I ever see.  I tried looking at Drew's 
archive but if I search on my name, the last post by me is August 30, 2003.

I'll send this once per day for the next week until I see it show up.

Hen


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
>
>You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
>everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only 
>code
>for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
>change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
>decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to 
>modify
>also.
>
>Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.  
>But
>the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
>with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
>with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
>future variables?
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>Ah but...
>
>one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example of
>a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something utterly
>different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
>fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
>original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can, 
>but
>it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky decisions.
>
>As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test Db 
>I
>threw together.
>
>Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
>string field. The long field is populated with random long integer values,
>and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
>integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
>
>The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, and
>the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code to
>search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
>
>Sub testSearch()
>Dim n As Long
>Dim s As String
>
>Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
>Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
>Dim TextSearchTime As Single
>Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
>Dim x As Long
>Dim strHits As Long
>Dim intHits As Long
>Dim db As Database
>Dim rs As Recordset
>Dim sCriteria As String
>     Randomize
>     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
>     For x = 1 To 1000
>         With rs
>             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
>             s = CStr(n)
>
>             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
>             NumericSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
>             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
>NumericSearchStart)
>             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
>             TextSearchStart = Timer
>             .FindFirst sCriteria
>             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
>             TextSearchEnd = Timer
>             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
>TextSearchStart)
>         End With
>     Next x
>     rs.Close
>     Debug.Print "Average find times"
>     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
>"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
>     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, "0.0000000000")

>&
>" Hits:" & strHits
>     Set db = Nothing
>     Set rs = Nothing
>End Sub
>
>
>And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
>
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
>Average find times
>Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
>Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
>
>As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not too
>surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
>
>The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search 
>times
>steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on 
>here.
>But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
>search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
>performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
>There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
>
>I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
>indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
>field as well as the string one).
>
>Lambert
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the zip
> > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left 
>intact
> > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let 
>it
> > stop :-)
> >
> > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > considered
> > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the 
>"numerical"
> > identifier might change?
> >
> > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no Zip
> > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen plus
> > four
> > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in time
> > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary* 
>identifier.
> > In
> > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should 
>not
> > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int, 
>but
> > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later 
>on.
> >
> > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > compare
> > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric values, 
>to
> > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard binary
> > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. (If
> > my
> > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In 
>addition,
> > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or 
>first
> > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > it's
> > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only a
> > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 digit
> > Zip
> > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for 
>addresses
> > in
> > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number, 
>because
> > > it's
> > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's 
>stored
> > > as
> > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in 
>that
> > > range!
> > >
> > > Drew

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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 22:48:54 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:48:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F40w19DBqqtJ1B0000c0fa@hotmail.com>

OK Drew:

And it showed up on mine, but the posts I made earlier may have shown up on 
your system but have yet to appear on mine.  For example, the post I made 
over 48 hours ago obviously made it to other list members even though it has 
not yet made it to my mail.  I see both your reply and my earlier post of 
this date.

Just to be clear, much of the discussion on this topic has been about speed 
of finding or sorting.  The point I was trying to make was that storing 
numbers generally takes less space than storing text and that the storage 
size is the most direct measure of possible performance in a file server 
database because the storage size affects the disk data retrieval time and 
the data transfer time.  The discussion about processor speed is a tempest 
in a teapot and the difference in speed at the processor level between 
numbers and text is the least part of the equation.  The more significant 
factor is at the disk to LAN and LAN to client end.  It's not just a a 
bottle neck but an 'hour' glass pinching off the flow.  If you have half the 
sand, the turn around speed is double.  The discussion about sort and search 
speed on an indexed column on text vs string is a simple 30 odd compares in 
a billion records.  How do 30 processor comparisons even warrant 
consideration in the context of the fact that those billion records have to 
be transferred over a LAN.  It's like talking about how the paint used to 
paint a truck affects the load carrying capacity of that truck because one 
brand or color of paint is a bit heavier than the other.

I personally like to store data composed of numerical characters as numbers 
wherever possible, even if there are additional formatting characters.  As I 
said before, even though dates are stored and retreived as simple numeric 
values, they may be displayed in any number of formats including spelled out 
months in any number of languages, with dates of the week, as a week number 
only, as a quarter, with times, in 24 hour format and so on.  Just because 
Microsoft built it for you doesn't mean that you can't or shouldn't take 
advantage of the same strategy.


Hen


>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:36:51 -0500
>
>It showed up...grin.
>
>Couldn't agree more.  Processor speed isn't a bottleneck in Access, but my
>point is that it's no excuse to not optimize your db's for speed, whether 
>it
>is for faster LAN access or even for local db's, because I promise that 
>it's
>more likely a db will go from local to network then it is for the US postal
>service changing the Zip Code system! <grin>
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:33 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>A person I know upgraded his computer on a 2 person LAN with a machine 
>three
>
>times as fast.  His data was kept on his secretary's computer on a 100 mbit
>LAN connnection.  I warned him that he wouldn't likely see significant
>difference in performance.  In fact, he could see no difference.  I had
>warned him that a bit of time looking at indexes and addressing data volume
>and recordset size would probably be of more benefit and when all was said
>and done, he came asking for help.  Processor speed has rarely been the
>bottleneck in most Access deployments.
>
>I've made two posts to this effect in the past week and have seen neither 
>of
>
>them show up yet.  The last was over 36 hours ago and I've seen once
>response to it that included an excerpt of my post.  I wonder what fraction
>of all posts made to the list that I ever see.  I tried looking at Drew's
>archive but if I search on my name, the last post by me is August 30, 2003.
>
>I'll send this once per day for the next week until I see it show up.
>
>Hen
>
>
> >From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 -0500
> >
> >You are right, Zip Codes could change into anything.  But that applies to
> >everything we know.  Should we make EVERY field a string?  You can only
> >code
> >for the present, and predicted future.  The post office isn't going to
> >change the Zip Code system (at least not the basic 5 digits) without a
> >decent amount of lead/warning time.  They have systems they'd have to
> >modify
> >also.
> >
> >Also, you are right, with today's processors, speed is not as critical.
> >But
> >the question is, when faced with a factor of 1.5x to 2x faster, do you go
> >with the slower process, or the faster process?  Isn't it better to stick
> >with the faster process?  Why sacrifice any speed, to accomodate unknown
> >future variables?
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:47 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> >
> >
> >Ah but...
> >
> >one day in the future the design of zip codes (which is only ONE example 
>of
> >a "number" that is not a number) could well be changed to something 
>utterly
> >different that looks nothing like a number. You can't just keep adding
> >fields and complex put-it-all-back-together routines to reconstruct the
> >original string from a combination of strings and numbers. Well you can,
> >but
> >it might make life miserable as "the management" make more wacky 
>decisions.
> >
> >As for searching for string vs numbers. Here are some results on a test 
>Db
> >I
> >threw together.
> >
> >Using a table with 581,672 records: each record has a longint field and a
> >string field. The long field is populated with random long integer 
>values,
> >and the string field has the string representation of its corresponding
> >integer field. Both fields are indexed with duplicates allowed.
> >
> >The table is in an MDB file (44.9 MBytes) which is on a network drive, 
>and
> >the network is running at just 10-mbit. So then I ran the following code 
>to
> >search for random 'numbers' both as numbers and as strings...
> >
> >Sub testSearch()
> >Dim n As Long
> >Dim s As String
> >
> >Dim TextSearchStart As Single, TextSearchEnd As Single
> >Dim NumericSearchStart As Single, NumericSearchEnd As Single
> >Dim TextSearchTime As Single
> >Dim NumericSearchTime As Single
> >Dim x As Long
> >Dim strHits As Long
> >Dim intHits As Long
> >Dim db As Database
> >Dim rs As Recordset
> >Dim sCriteria As String
> >     Randomize
> >     Set rs = OpenDynaset(db, "tblHuge")
> >     For x = 1 To 1000
> >         With rs
> >             n = CLng(Rnd() * 2 ^ 31)
> >             s = CStr(n)
> >
> >             sCriteria = "nNumber=" & n
> >             NumericSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             intHits = intHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             NumericSearchEnd = Timer
> >             NumericSearchTime = NumericSearchTime + (NumericSearchEnd -
> >NumericSearchStart)
> >             sCriteria = "sText='" & s & "'"
> >             TextSearchStart = Timer
> >             .FindFirst sCriteria
> >             strHits = strHits + Abs(CLng(Not .NoMatch))
> >             TextSearchEnd = Timer
> >             TextSearchTime = TextSearchTime + (TextSearchEnd -
> >TextSearchStart)
> >         End With
> >     Next x
> >     rs.Close
> >     Debug.Print "Average find times"
> >     Debug.Print "Numbers:" & Format(NumericSearchTime / 1000,
> >"0.0000000000") & " Hits:" & intHits
> >     Debug.Print "Strings:" & Format(TextSearchTime / 1000, 
>"0.0000000000")
>
> >&
> >" Hits:" & strHits
> >     Set db = Nothing
> >     Set rs = Nothing
> >End Sub
> >
> >
> >And here are the results of a few runs, last to first...
> >
> >Average find times
> >Numbers:0.0020859370 Hits:0
> >Strings:0.0025468750 Hits:0
> >Average find times
> >Numbers:0.0023203120 Hits:0
> >Strings:0.0030234380 Hits:0
> >Average find times
> >Numbers:0.0023984380 Hits:0
> >Strings:0.0040195310 Hits:0
> >Average find times
> >Numbers:0.0029257810 Hits:0
> >Strings:0.0046445310 Hits:0
> >
> >As you can see the random search values never generated any hits - not 
>too
> >surprising considering the number of possible values in 32bit long.
> >
> >The numeric search times were fairly consistent, and the string search
> >times
> >steadily dropped. I assume that there is some sort of caching going on
> >here.
> >But the main point is that at worst it took just about twice as long to
> >search for the string as it did to find the long. Not *such* as huge
> >performance hit considering we are talking about thousandths of a second.
> >There is also a fair bit or arithmetic going on between each search.
> >
> >I goes without say (so why am I saying it?) that whne yo take out the
> >indexes on the fields the search times go though the roof (for the Long
> >field as well as the string one).
> >
> >Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent:	Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:26 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > > Ah, but you can always add fields to handle new anomalies!  With the 
>zip
> > > code, just add an 'extension' field.  Original Number field is left
> >intact
> > > (and all 'search' routines) would still work.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:38 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > >
> > >
> > > This thread has been going on quite some time now, so why should I let
> >it
> > > stop :-)
> > >
> > > One key issue that which has not yet been mentioned but should be
> > > considered
> > > is is there any possibility that the design / structure of the
> >"numerical"
> > > identifier might change?
> > >
> > > To take the example of US Zip codes. Once upon a time there were no 
>Zip
> > > codes, then along came 5 digit zips, and a little later the hyphen 
>plus
> > > four
> > > digit extensions. This kind of change could happen at any point in 
>time
> > > because at the end of the day a postal code is an *arbitrary*
> >identifier.
> > > In
> > > other words there is no arithmetic meaning in a zip code, so it should
> >not
> > > be stored as a number. You CAN store a 5 digit zip code as a Long Int,
> >but
> > > you'll regret it if "the powers that be" decide to change things later
> >on.
> > >
> > > As for searching for strings in a sorted list, while it is slower to
> > > compare
> > > a whole string with another whole string, vs. comparing numeric 
>values,
> >to
> > > search a sorted list really does not take that long as a standard 
>binary
> > > chop approach is going to zero in very quickly on the target string. 
>(If
> > > my
> > > mental arithmetic is up to it, searching for a string in a list of one
> > > billion (10^9) strings would require 30 comparisons at most.) In
> >addition,
> > > the initial stages of the binary chop only need to compare the first
> > > character (or first few) in the string with the first character (or
> >first
> > > few) of the target, not much slower than integer data comparisons. And
> > > it's
> > > just as simple to figure out if a target is within some range.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:18 PM
> > > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but if something can be stored JUST as a number, it is not only 
>a
> > > > storage space issue, but a speed issue.  If you took just the 5 
>digit
> > > Zip
> > > > code, (ignoring any extensions), and you wanted to search for
> >addresses
> > > in
> > > > the range of 70000 to 80000, if the numbers are stored as text, the
> > > > processor is going to have to compare each digit of the number,
> >because
> > > > it's
> > > > looking at ASCII (or unicode) and NOT a number.  However, if it's
> >stored
> > > > as
> > > > a number, then it's a VERY simple check to determine if it falls in
> >that
> > > > range!
> > > >
> > > > Drew
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 18 03:07:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:07:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F40w19DBqqtJ1B0000c0fa@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea2-F40w19DBqqtJ1B0000c0fa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <65638528.20031018100747@cactus.dk>

Hi Henry

> ..  It's like talking about how the paint used to
> paint a truck affects the load carrying capacity of that truck because one 
> brand or color of paint is a bit heavier than the other.

Not that I don't agree with you on the subject, but for big airplanes
this _is_ a serious consideration.

/gustav


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Oct 18 03:12:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:12:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I do uses prefix for parameters.
Mainly becuase my FMS tools does automaticaly add this prefix, so I
started dooing this right away....


Erwin


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jim DeMarco
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 oktober 2003 20:33
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


>>since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information<<

Charlotte are you sure about that?  I don't include prefixes in
procedure arguments  for just the opposite reason (Intellisense does
show the argument name and data type when you type the function name in
a code window).

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question


I use the Leszynski convention, but it boils down to the same thing.
Yes, I generally do make my procedure arguments reflect the datatype
since intellisense doesn't show that bit of information.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John B. [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question


A simple opinion question:

Do you people that use RVBA change procedure variables such as:

Private Sub Form_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
to:
Private Sub Form_KeyDown(intKeyCode As Integer, intShift As Integer) ?

JB

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:29:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Configuration Changes Completed
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From wangoh at tm.net.my  Sat Oct 18 10:17:22 2003
From: wangoh at tm.net.my (wangoh)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:17:22 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calendar Control
References: <001d01c37199$c4525190$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <000201c3958a$59d71840$cf96c3d2@ikhwand>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 05:32 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Calendar Control


> Anna,
>
> I just finished simplifying a calendar control I got from somewhere quite
a
> while back.  It is simpler than the one at Datasphere.  I can send you a
> copy if you like.  It's all native Access (in XP).  It should probably
down
> save to A97.
>
> Dan Waters
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anna Hopkins
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Calendar Control
>
>
> I know this subject has been discussed before so I checked the archives
> first but am still not sure what the solution to my current need is ...
>
> I'd like a simple, small calendar control to put on a form so a user can
> simply choose a date by clicking from the calendar and the date gets
> transferred to the selected text box/ field.  I used the one that comes
with
> Access several years ago and had problems with it.  Sometimes it worked
> exactly like I wanted and sometimes it would break!!???!!
>
> In the archives I read about the calendar from http://dataspherellc.com/.
Is
> this overkill for what I need or will it work for what I am trying to do?
>
> I also read about Drew's MiniCalendar but have not been able to locate
that
> one to check it out.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions, advice.   And sorry for the subject
> repeat.
> yes, i love u
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 18 10:27:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for beta
testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security system such
as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work so that
you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking for
PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only system, i.e.
it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only allows the developer
to ask questions like "should this user (belonging to this set of groups) be
allowed to open the form, see this control" etc.  Thus the developer needs
to be capable of writing code to query the classes and apply the answer as
(s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later date, add the ability to have LWS
actually set the properties discussed below which would allow use with less
programming but for now that isn't in place.

LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  The
form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit record,
Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected are Enabled,
Locked, and Visible.

LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  LWS is
designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the INTERFACE
level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a given form, who
can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT data in a given
control on a given form.  These are fundamentally different issues than the
built in DATA security that Access and SQL Server provide.  I designed LWS
because my clients asked for things like "only allow certain users to be
able to see (or use) this control" or "only allow certain users to be able
to open this form" etc.

As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child records to
parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only" operation
and requires either going directly into tables, or building specific forms
if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set the control Invisible
as the form opens unless the user belongs to the Supervisor (or
Administrator) group.

LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows NT/2K/XP
etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.  Users
belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.

There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:

uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5).
usystblLWSGroup contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit that is
used for mapping it's abilities later.
usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of users to groups.  A simple m-m
uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, Open,
Edit, Add and Delete maps.
MsysControls contains control security information - Form ID, Control name,
Enabled, Locked and Visible maps

There are a handful of forms to support LWS:

usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users.
usysfrmLWSGroups - The form for setting up groups.
usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping groups to users.
usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to groups.
usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer in setting
up form security

LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am using
the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and functioning.
The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will be available
within the next week or two.

LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available to beta
testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    You
should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods and
setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes via VB
etc.

I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...

Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the finished
product, which is more than MS gives you!

I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide whether
you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me OFF LIST at
LWS at colbyconsulting.com.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Oct 18 10:56:04 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:56:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RVBA question
In-Reply-To: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEBLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks to all that answered this. I couldn't speciffically remember
prefixing my parameters but they are all prefixed. Erwin reminded me why - I
have FMS tools check all of my variables and prefix them to RVBA standards
for me. So, I guess it's a no-brainer for me on this, I'm going to prefix
them. It takes no extra work on my part :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 3:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] RVBA question
>
>
> I do uses prefix for parameters.
> Mainly becuase my FMS tools does automaticaly add this prefix, so I
> started dooing this right away....
>
>
> Erwin



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 18 11:58:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:58:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMGFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMKFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

BTW, I meant to state that this is being developed in A2K.  I am using ADO
connections and CurrentProject.Connection and CodeProject.Connection syntax,
which I'm not sure works in A97.  If they do then this should work fine in
A97.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security


Folks,

I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for beta
testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security system such
as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work so that
you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking for
PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only system, i.e.
it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only allows the developer
to ask questions like "should this user (belonging to this set of groups) be
allowed to open the form, see this control" etc.  Thus the developer needs
to be capable of writing code to query the classes and apply the answer as
(s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later date, add the ability to have LWS
actually set the properties discussed below which would allow use with less
programming but for now that isn't in place.

LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  The
form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit record,
Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected are Enabled,
Locked, and Visible.

LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  LWS is
designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the INTERFACE
level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a given form, who
can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT data in a given
control on a given form.  These are fundamentally different issues than the
built in DATA security that Access and SQL Server provide.  I designed LWS
because my clients asked for things like "only allow certain users to be
able to see (or use) this control" or "only allow certain users to be able
to open this form" etc.

As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child records to
parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only" operation
and requires either going directly into tables, or building specific forms
if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set the control Invisible
as the form opens unless the user belongs to the Supervisor (or
Administrator) group.

LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows NT/2K/XP
etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.  Users
belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.

There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:

uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5).
usystblLWSGroup contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit that is
used for mapping it's abilities later.
usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of users to groups.  A simple m-m
uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, Open,
Edit, Add and Delete maps.
MsysControls contains control security information - Form ID, Control name,
Enabled, Locked and Visible maps

There are a handful of forms to support LWS:

usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users.
usysfrmLWSGroups - The form for setting up groups.
usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping groups to users.
usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to groups.
usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer in setting
up form security

LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am using
the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and functioning.
The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will be available
within the next week or two.

LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available to beta
testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    You
should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods and
setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes via VB
etc.

I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...

Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the finished
product, which is more than MS gives you!

I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide whether
you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me OFF LIST at
LWS at colbyconsulting.com.

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From fahooper at trapo.com  Sat Oct 18 12:41:26 2003
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:41:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Alternative to NT TaskManager
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F80SOlbpH71yEX0000fb40@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c3959f$0e9ffad0$42aa0944@fred>

PsTools, a free package from www.sysinternals.com includes a PsKill program
that will kill a program.

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|
|
|Hello All,
|
|Does anyone know of an API call...or anything similar I can 
|call from A97 to 
|kill a program not responding without using the TaskManager in NT?
|
|Thanks,
|
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 18 18:33:29 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:33:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F8WcISKEHRfOMc00021242@hotmail.com>

Christian:

If one were using an fluctuating base 365/366 number system, that would be 
close, but that is unnecessarily complicated.  The integer portion is 
usually a count of days before or after the date:

?format(cdate(0), "dd mm yyyy")
30 12 1899

which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that day.

If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 367, 
you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's 
Microsoft logic shining as it often does.

The numeric portion after the decimal represents the fraction of the date 
and can commonly be formatted as hours, minutes and seconds.  The 8 byte 
double in which the following date/time is stored is significantly smaller 
than the 34 bytes (68 unicode) of the following string representation:

?format(cdate(366.7), "dddd dd, mmmm yyyy, hh:nn:ss")
Monday 31, December 1900, 16:48:00

Just because you can have some fun and mess around with calculations doesn't 
mean that it doesen't make sense to store dates as numbers:

?(#sept 3 2001#)  * 2
74274
?#sept 3 2001# * #July 14 1881#
-250414791

It is equally easy to be idiotic with strings representing numbers:

?"4" + "4"
44

But it does make a great deal of sense if you want to be warned 10 days 
before a birthday or meeting because the date of the notification is simply 
the record date minus 10.

?#Jan 15, 2004# - 10
1/5/04

If you have a calendar application, this makes it very easy to give a user 
the ability to simply enter a number of days warning he wants prior to a 
calendar date.

I don't get the point of your post unless you think you are disagreeing with 
me.  You're preaching to the choir.

Hen

>From: "Brock, Christian T, HRC-Alexandria" 
><Christian.Brock at hoffman.army.mil>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:32:53 -0400
>
>A date is a number.  It is the count of years, etc from a given start 
>point.
>
>Christian Brock
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2003 21:56
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
><SNIPPED>
>Also, things like spaces, parentheses and hyphens can be used in formatting
>a numeric
>value.  Why do you suppose Microsoft and other software vendors store dates
>as numeric values?  Speed, efficiency and format flexibility.
>
>Hen

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Oct 18 19:07:54 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:07:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F8WcISKEHRfOMc00021242@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F92627A.12900.8FE7B1@localhost>

On 18 Oct 2003 at 17:33, Henry Simpson wrote:

> Christian:
> 
> If one were using an fluctuating base 365/366 number system, that would be 
> close, but that is unnecessarily complicated.  The integer portion is 
> usually a count of days before or after the date:
> 
> ?format(cdate(0), "dd mm yyyy")
> 30 12 1899
> 
Since Dates are really just doubles,  you don't really even need  the 
CDate() here, just Format(0,"dd mm yyyy").  

> which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that day.
> 
> If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 367, 
> you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's 
> Microsoft logic shining as it often does.
> 
That strikes me quite often when I'm doing date manipulation.  I've 
tried to see the reasoning behind that start date. So far, I can't 
see it at all. Can anyone come with  *any* logical reason?

Especially when you consider that Excel uses a more logical scheme 
where Day 1 is "1 Jan 1900"

Still in some ways Access is better than Excel which returns "O Jan 
1900" for Day 0 and an error for negative numbers :-)

 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 18 19:14:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:14:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <3F92627A.12900.8FE7B1@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENIFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

All of which are ridiculous to me.  Why give us the ability to define dates
out to the year 3000, when there are very real applications for dates back
to BC?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


On 18 Oct 2003 at 17:33, Henry Simpson wrote:

> Christian:
>
> If one were using an fluctuating base 365/366 number system, that would be
> close, but that is unnecessarily complicated.  The integer portion is
> usually a count of days before or after the date:
>
> ?format(cdate(0), "dd mm yyyy")
> 30 12 1899
>
Since Dates are really just doubles,  you don't really even need  the
CDate() here, just Format(0,"dd mm yyyy").

> which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that day.
>
> If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 367,
> you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's
> Microsoft logic shining as it often does.
>
That strikes me quite often when I'm doing date manipulation.  I've
tried to see the reasoning behind that start date. So far, I can't
see it at all. Can anyone come with  *any* logical reason?

Especially when you consider that Excel uses a more logical scheme
where Day 1 is "1 Jan 1900"

Still in some ways Access is better than Excel which returns "O Jan
1900" for Day 0 and an error for negative numbers :-)


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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 18 20:24:37 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:24:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
Message-ID: <Sea2-F306eiCdLgT9je000191e0@hotmail.com>

Agreed.  I can see no justifiable reason for the arbitrary cut off of 
negative date values below:

?cdate(-657434)

How did they choose that magic number when the range of potential numbers 
for a double range down to over 300 digits and not just part way through 6.

Those who face the need to catalog Egyptian artifacts would probably resort 
to string representations of dates even though they might want to estimate 
life spans of pharoahs and calculate contemparaniety between the two.  
Still, there is no reason you can't still store a numeric representation and 
write your own custom FormatDate function though that would be a real 
nuisance if you needed to write the algorithms to determine which day of the 
week a particular date in that range falls.

Hen

>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:14:11 -0400
>
>All of which are ridiculous to me.  Why give us the ability to define dates
>out to the year 3000, when there are very real applications for dates back
>to BC?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:08 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
>
>
>On 18 Oct 2003 at 17:33, Henry Simpson wrote:
>
> > Christian:
> >
> > If one were using an fluctuating base 365/366 number system, that would 
>be
> > close, but that is unnecessarily complicated.  The integer portion is
> > usually a count of days before or after the date:
> >
> > ?format(cdate(0), "dd mm yyyy")
> > 30 12 1899
> >
>Since Dates are really just doubles,  you don't really even need  the
>CDate() here, just Format(0,"dd mm yyyy").
>
> > which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that 
>day.
> >
> > If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 
>367,
> > you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's
> > Microsoft logic shining as it often does.
> >
>That strikes me quite often when I'm doing date manipulation.  I've
>tried to see the reasoning behind that start date. So far, I can't
>see it at all. Can anyone come with  *any* logical reason?
>
>Especially when you consider that Excel uses a more logical scheme
>where Day 1 is "1 Jan 1900"
>
>Still in some ways Access is better than Excel which returns "O Jan
>1900" for Day 0 and an error for negative numbers :-)
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Oct 18 21:02:59 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:02:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F306eiCdLgT9je000191e0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F927D73.20304.F945CA@localhost>

On 18 Oct 2003 at 19:24, Henry Simpson wrote:

> Agreed.  I can see no justifiable reason for the arbitrary cut off of 
> negative date values below:
> 
> ?cdate(-657434)
> 
> How did they choose that magic number when the range of potential numbers 
> for a double range down to over 300 digits and not just part way through 6.
> 
> Those who face the need to catalog Egyptian artifacts would probably resort 
> to string representations of dates even though they might want to estimate 
> life spans of pharoahs and calculate contemparaniety between the two.  

Generally for that sort of thing, people use Julian dates
See:
http://www.aavso.org/observing/aids/aboutjd.shtml
or
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/JulianDate.html

 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 18 22:38:27 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:38:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENNFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.  
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat Oct 18 23:32:54 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:32:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENNFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c395fa$1047a800$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>


John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1

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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Oct 19 02:54:18 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:54:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F977E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Some cursortypes do not support rowcount...

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Verzonden: zondag 19 oktober 2003 5:38
Aan: AccessD
Onderwerp: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.  
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 19 03:34:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:34:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access dates (was: Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <32703106652207013443d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <32703106652207013443d0567@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <1015033027.20031019103447@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

This was because of the Lotus 1-2-3 leap year 1900 bug which Excel
mimics but the Access developers chose to ignore (thank you):

  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q181370

/gustav


> .. just Format(0,"dd mm yyyy") ..
>> which is December 30, 1899.  Negative numbers are days prior to that day.
>> 
>> If you replace the 0 with a 2, you get January 1, 1900 and if you use 367, 
>> you get the first day of the 20th century, January 1, 1901.  There's 
>> Microsoft logic shining as it often does.
>> 
> That strikes me quite often when I'm doing date manipulation.  I've 
> tried to see the reasoning behind that start date. So far, I can't 
> see it at all. Can anyone come with  *any* logical reason?

> Especially when you consider that Excel uses a more logical scheme 
> where Day 1 is "1 Jan 1900"

> Still in some ways Access is better than Excel which returns "O Jan 
> 1900" for Day 0 and an error for negative numbers :-)


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 19 04:04:43 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:04:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access dates (was: Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <22409106652895213443d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <22409106652895213443d0567@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <1626829029.20031019110443@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Great links, thank you.

Also note this page which has a lot of explanation to many
calendaring questions:

  http://www.tondering.dk/claus/cal/calendar26.html

/gustav


> On 18 Oct 2003 at 19:24, Henry Simpson wrote:

>> Agreed.  I can see no justifiable reason for the arbitrary cut off of 
>> negative date values below:
>> 
>> ?cdate(-657434)
>> 
>> How did they choose that magic number when the range of potential numbers 
>> for a double range down to over 300 digits and not just part way through 6.
>> 
>> Those who face the need to catalog Egyptian artifacts would probably resort 
>> to string representations of dates even though they might want to estimate 
>> life spans of pharoahs and calculate contemparaniety between the two.  

> Generally for that sort of thing, people use Julian dates
> See:
> http://www.aavso.org/observing/aids/aboutjd.shtml
> or
> http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/JulianDate.html


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Sun Oct 19 04:04:48 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:04:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <15169409.1066554288334.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>


Have you tried setting the cursor location before opening the actual recordset, something like below
Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
rs.CursorLocation = adUseClient
rs.Open("SELECT * FROM whatever")
msgbox rs.recordcount

I think the above should work, if not please let me know.
Paul Hartland



Message date : Oct 19 2003, 08:58 AM 
>From : Erwin Craps 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [AccessD] ado recordcount 
Some cursortypes do not support rowcount... 

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Verzonden: zondag 19 oktober 2003 5:38 
Aan: AccessD 
Onderwerp: [AccessD] ado recordcount 


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. 
Move last, move first. 
EOF and BOF are both false. 

Recordcount = -1 

What gives? How do I tell how many records in the recordset? 

John W. Colby 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 09:56:30 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:56:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
Message-ID: <007e01c39651$2df05b70$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam filter.  Ironic, no?

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 09:56:30 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:56:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
Message-ID: <007e01c39651$2df05b70$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam filter.  Ironic, no?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 19 10:05:40 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:05:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENNFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGELACOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

In addition to the information supplied by Dave Sharpe with using a server
side cursor location will cause issues. Use 'rs.CursorLocation =
adUseClient' instead of 'rs.CursorLocation = adUseServer'. Most work can be
done with 'static' cursor types. Use adOpenKeyset type cursors only when
updating or deleting and use a pessimistic lock so as to not over-write a
record being used by another.

My two cents worth
Jim

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To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 19 10:22:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:22:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGELACOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPEFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In fact I was just trying to get a record count for testing purposes.  I was
opening a recordset (I thought) and then passing that recordset to another
class, where a "find" was not working.  No se por que.  I ended up replacing
the table name with a SQL string and it started working.  Problem solved, no
recordcount required for testing.

The odd part is that I was opening a different recordset and doing a search
(find) inside of the class, but when passed to another class many of the
recordset properties started failing.  I'd get errors like "addition of this
record failed due to ..." when all I was doing was a find operation.  I
hadn't even done an addrec.  Weird stuff.  However by using a SQL String
instead of the table name, this problem went away.  Again, weird stuff.  I
must admit I'm not an ADO head though so who knows what I was really doing.

In this application, In my form class I am looking for a record in a table
for the form (thus the .Find) and if none found, create a new record.  I
tried the identical thing for controls, but in order to speed things up I
open the recordset in the form class and pass it off to the control class
being instantiated, where the .Find is failing.  I could open the table
directly (Identical code, stolen to do the control recordset), but had to
use an SQL statement for the control recordset.

With much wasted time figuring that out.

Sigh.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ado recordcount


Hi John:

In addition to the information supplied by Dave Sharpe with using a server
side cursor location will cause issues. Use 'rs.CursorLocation =
adUseClient' instead of 'rs.CursorLocation = adUseServer'. Most work can be
done with 'static' cursor types. Use adOpenKeyset type cursors only when
updating or deleting and use a pessimistic lock so as to not over-write a
record being used by another.

My two cents worth
Jim




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 19 12:27:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:27:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <007e01c39651$2df05b70$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

If you use Outlook, try

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html

I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that you
have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no, no
statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).

The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


Dear List:

It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do
they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to
route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt,
breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam filter.
Ironic, no?
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 12:50:25 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:50:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c39669$79b148e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

I'm using Express.  Will it work for that?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> If you use Outlook, try
>
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
>
> I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
you
> have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
> number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
no
> statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
>
> The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
> was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
> was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do
> they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to
> route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt,
> breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
filter.
> Ironic, no?
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 19 13:37:51 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:37:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"This is really ridiculous." JC

...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> If you use Outlook, try
>
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
>
> I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
you
> have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
> number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
no
> statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
>
> The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
> was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
> was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do
> they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to
> route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt,
> breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
filter.
> Ironic, no?
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Oct 19 14:01:46 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:01:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1>

We just started to test Spam Assasin on our servers at work. Oddd thing is I
dont get any spam. I use a hotmail account for anything I do on the web and
leave it to Microsoft to clear out every so often.

If your putting your email address on the web make sure you do it in such a
way that the robots etc cant recognise it as such.


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> "This is really ridiculous." JC
>
> ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > If you use Outlook, try
> >
> > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> >
> > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
> you
> > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
Spam"
> > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
> no
> > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> >
> > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.
It
> > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder
that
> > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and
do
> > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules
to
> > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
debt,
> > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> filter.
> > Ironic, no?
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 14:39:33 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:39:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

SO you don't use and spam blocker?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> "This is really ridiculous." JC
>
> ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > If you use Outlook, try
> >
> > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> >
> > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
> you
> > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
Spam"
> > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
> no
> > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> >
> > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.
It
> > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder
that
> > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and
do
> > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules
to
> > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
debt,
> > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> filter.
> > Ironic, no?
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 14:40:17 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:40:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1>
Message-ID: <013401c39678$d2d4a8e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Any preliminary result on Spam Assassin?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> We just started to test Spam Assasin on our servers at work. Oddd thing is
I
> dont get any spam. I use a hotmail account for anything I do on the web
and
> leave it to Microsoft to clear out every so often.
>
> If your putting your email address on the web make sure you do it in such
a
> way that the robots etc cant recognise it as such.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > "This is really ridiculous." JC
> >
> > ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
> birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to
work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
> to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > > If you use Outlook, try
> > >
> > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> > >
> > > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is
that
> > you
> > > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
> Spam"
> > > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam
(no,
> > no
> > > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> > >
> > > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.
> It
> > > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder
> that
> > > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use
and
> do
> > > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail
rules
> to
> > > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
> debt,
> > > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> > filter.
> > > Ironic, no?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 19 15:39:28 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <009701c39681$17ca0910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there ...but hotmail
also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its "bulk mail"
catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots of spam scams
that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
:(((((

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> SO you don't use and spam blocker?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > "This is really ridiculous." JC
> >
> > ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
> birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to
work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
> to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > > If you use Outlook, try
> > >
> > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> > >
> > > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is
that
> > you
> > > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
> Spam"
> > > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam
(no,
> > no
> > > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> > >
> > > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.
> It
> > > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder
> that
> > > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use
and
> do
> > > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail
rules
> to
> > > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
> debt,
> > > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> > filter.
> > > Ironic, no?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 19 16:41:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:41:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <00d701c39669$79b148e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPNFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope, doesn't work for express.  I use K9 for my wife's computer which uses
express.  K9 is a proxy that picks up the mail, does it's thing, then
forwards it on to the email client.  It works fine.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


I'm using Express.  Will it work for that?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> If you use Outlook, try
>
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
>
> I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that
you
> have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
> number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no,
no
> statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
>
> The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
> was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
> was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use and do
> they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail rules to
> route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra, debt,
> breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
filter.
> Ironic, no?
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From terry.mace at baesystems.com  Sun Oct 19 16:50:03 2003
From: terry.mace at baesystems.com (MACE, Terry)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:20:03 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
Message-ID: <B20C5B1CB8A30543BD7A9F173F29CCFD05BE76@abw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>

Can anyone tell me if either Treeview or Listview can be used to display
data in a many-to-many relationship.

I have a Bill Of Materials database where several parent parts may have the
same child part that I want to display.

Thanks

Terry Mace

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 19 18:20:52 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:20:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
In-Reply-To: <B20C5B1CB8A30543BD7A9F173F29CCFD05BE76@abw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGELDCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Terry:

To access the data that is in the same table you have to use two
relationships; once as a item and once as part of a group. You can not use
many to many but the following select statement will assemble both the child
and parent records.

select Inv.code, Inv.description, InvGroups.Code, InvItems.Code
from InvTable as InvItems, InvTable as InvGroups, Inventory as Inv
where inv.itemIndex = InvItems.itemIndex
  and inv.itemIndex = InvGroups.groupIndex

or you can use the UNION statement with a subquery

select Code, description, GrpCode, ItemCode from (
	(select Inv.code, Inv.description, InvGroups.GrpCode, "" ItemCode
	from InvTable as InvGroups, Inventory as Inv
	where inv.itemIndex = InvGroups.groupIndex)
	union all
	(select Inv.code, Inv.description, "" GrpCode, InvItems.Code
	from InvTable as InvItems, InvTable as InvGroups, Inventory as Inv
	where inv.itemIndex = InvItems.itemIndex)
) group by Code, description, GrpCode, ItemCode

This might not be absolutely correct, as I have no way to test it but
concepts are there. (You may have to use a throw away aggregate function.
like 'count(ItemCode)' to force the grouping, in the second code segment.)

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MACE, Terry
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 2:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays


Can anyone tell me if either Treeview or Listview can be used to display
data in a many-to-many relationship.

I have a Bill Of Materials database where several parent parts may have the
same child part that I want to display.

Thanks

Terry Mace
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sun Oct 19 18:48:53 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:18:53 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A437@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Save yourself the trouble (and performance cost of opening a recordset), and
execute a:

SELECT COUNT([FieldName]) against the connection.

especially when your not returning or any data (ie, working with the
recordset).

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 12:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ado recordcount


In fact I was just trying to get a record count for testing purposes.  I was
opening a recordset (I thought) and then passing that recordset to another
class, where a "find" was not working.  No se por que.  I ended up replacing
the table name with a SQL string and it started working.  Problem solved, no
recordcount required for testing.

The odd part is that I was opening a different recordset and doing a search
(find) inside of the class, but when passed to another class many of the
recordset properties started failing.  I'd get errors like "addition of this
record failed due to ..." when all I was doing was a find operation.  I
hadn't even done an addrec.  Weird stuff.  However by using a SQL String
instead of the table name, this problem went away.  Again, weird stuff.  I
must admit I'm not an ADO head though so who knows what I was really doing.

In this application, In my form class I am looking for a record in a table
for the form (thus the .Find) and if none found, create a new record.  I
tried the identical thing for controls, but in order to speed things up I
open the recordset in the form class and pass it off to the control class
being instantiated, where the .Find is failing.  I could open the table
directly (Identical code, stolen to do the control recordset), but had to
use an SQL statement for the control recordset.

With much wasted time figuring that out.

Sigh.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ado recordcount


Hi John:

In addition to the information supplied by Dave Sharpe with using a server
side cursor location will cause issues. Use 'rs.CursorLocation =
adUseClient' instead of 'rs.CursorLocation = adUseServer'. Most work can be
done with 'static' cursor types. Use adOpenKeyset type cursors only when
updating or deleting and use a pessimistic lock so as to not over-write a
record being used by another.

My two cents worth
Jim



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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 19 20:57:03 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:57:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <007e01c39651$2df05b70$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAECKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

HI Rocky,
I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your PC
and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express or
both. It's $19.95.

They also have a server based version for Exchange users.

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930

HTH
JB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all
> use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block
> Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on
> whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are
> contained in the message and/or heading?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their
> spam filter.  Ironic, no?
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 21:20:39 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:20:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAECKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <01a201c396b0$c12936a0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

How does it work?  I mean different from the OE  message rules?  How does it
recognize spam?

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 6:57 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> HI Rocky,
> I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your PC
> and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express or
> both. It's $19.95.
>
> They also have a server based version for Exchange users.
>
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930
>
> HTH
> JB
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all
> > use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block
> > Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on
> > whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are
> > contained in the message and/or heading?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their
> > spam filter.  Ironic, no?
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Sun Oct 19 23:14:05 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:14:05 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <009701c39681$17ca0910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXEbX4A@pacific.net.hk>

My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if the 1%
it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent losing
such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If that's
the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my inbox
and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.

A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or have a
new email.
- *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.  Use
either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
receiving enquiries
- checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw away
address.  I use a yahoo email address for this

Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe someone
can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> 
> 
> ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there 
> ...but hotmail
> also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its 
> "bulk mail"
> catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots 
> of spam scams
> that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as 
> B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> :(((((
> 
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless 
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to 
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision 
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> 
> 
> > SO you don't use and spam blocker?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > > "This is really ridiculous." JC
> > >
> > > ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, 
> regardless of his
> > birth,
> > > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right 
> to live, to
> work,
> > > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his 
> vision can combine
> > to
> > > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > > -- Thomas Wolfe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you use Outlook, try
> > > >
> > > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> > > >
> > > > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing 
> to know is
> that
> > > you
> > > > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and 
> the "Suspected
> > Spam"
> > > > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 
> 99% of my Spam
> (no,
> > > no
> > > > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> > > >
> > > > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in 
> the last month.
> > It
> > > > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old 
> mail forwarder
> > that
> > > > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do 
> you all use
> and
> > do
> > > > they really save more time than outlook's "Block 
> Sender" and mail
> rules
> > to
> > > > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he 
> words Viagra,
> > debt,
> > > > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to 
> buy their spam
> > > filter.
> > > > Ironic, no?
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 19 23:50:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:50:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXEbX4A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEALFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

For my money it is still helpful to place the spam in a separate folder for
scanning.  It just seems easier to look at a page of messages about loans,
pills and penis patches and pick out the one good message.  And believe me,
Bayesian filters are VERY good at deciding that something is spam.

I use Outlook filters to further classify my email, sorting things into
folders.  Newsletters, AccessD messages, stuff from friends and relatives
etc.  Train the Bayesian filter on ONE EACH of these messages and it's good
to go.  I guess it decides that the address is good or something, not sure
really.  So the spam goes into the spam bucket and really is spam, VERY
occasional "not sure" (and you can play with the numbers to decide the % is
tagged not sure), and whatever is left in the inbox after spam filtering and
my rules is also about 50% spam, though these amount to 1 or 2 a day.

Until someone on the list turned me on to Bayesian filters I wasn't
convinced, but they really do work.  This C%oc&k crap gets shoveled right
out as spam.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if the
1%
it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent
losing
such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If
that's
the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my
inbox
and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.

A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or
have a
new email.
- *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.  Use
either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
receiving enquiries
- checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw away
address.  I use a yahoo email address for this

Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe
someone
can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there
> ...but hotmail
> also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its
> "bulk mail"
> catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots
> of spam scams
> that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as
> B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> :(((((
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe




From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 20 01:03:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:03:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEALFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOELFCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Yes, I concur John.

I was recently introduced to the new Mozilla Bayesian filter and was totally
impressed especially that it actually learns your preferences and
tolerences, similar to a netural net...it actually learns as it goes from
your selections and rejections  over time. A friend has been using one for
over a year now. He has been directing all the spam to a spam directory just
in case it filtered some important documents. In the last month or so he
says it has been doing the filtering with one hundred percent accuracy but
he said it tooks months before the filter was properly fine-tune.

I will be using the Bayesian spam filter for sure.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


For my money it is still helpful to place the spam in a separate folder for
scanning.  It just seems easier to look at a page of messages about loans,
pills and penis patches and pick out the one good message.  And believe me,
Bayesian filters are VERY good at deciding that something is spam.

I use Outlook filters to further classify my email, sorting things into
folders.  Newsletters, AccessD messages, stuff from friends and relatives
etc.  Train the Bayesian filter on ONE EACH of these messages and it's good
to go.  I guess it decides that the address is good or something, not sure
really.  So the spam goes into the spam bucket and really is spam, VERY
occasional "not sure" (and you can play with the numbers to decide the % is
tagged not sure), and whatever is left in the inbox after spam filtering and
my rules is also about 50% spam, though these amount to 1 or 2 a day.

Until someone on the list turned me on to Bayesian filters I wasn't
convinced, but they really do work.  This C%oc&k crap gets shoveled right
out as spam.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if the
1%
it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent
losing
such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If
that's
the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my
inbox
and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.

A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or
have a
new email.
- *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.  Use
either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
receiving enquiries
- checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw away
address.  I use a yahoo email address for this

Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe
someone
can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there
> ...but hotmail
> also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its
> "bulk mail"
> catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots
> of spam scams
> that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as
> B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> :(((((
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 01:31:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:31:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
 <012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <1630766.20031020083149@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky et all

Wonder why this subject doesn't live on our Techno sister list for the
benefice of those listers not interested that much in Access?

/gustav


> SO you don't use and spam blocker?


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 02:16:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:16:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABKEMLCPAA.artful@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Arthur,

The only way I was able to get this working was using an optional VARIANT
and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.

Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
llngCTYID As Variant)
Dim lngCTYID As Variant
    If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
        lngCTYID = llngCTYID
    End If
    FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
End Function

It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in AfterUpdate of the
filter combo and used the function value in the dependent combo's query.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Thanks for the explication, Stuart!

IMO the coolest thing about statics is that you can eliminate references to
forms. In the AfterUpdate event of some control, you call the static
function and pass the param. Anywhere else you need it, call the func
without a param. I don't like being tied to particular forms being open. I
want to be able to run a query etc. from the debug window anytime I want,
and to set said static func from the debug window anytime I want. Statics
give me this. That's why I love 'em.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Oh.  That's very cool.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


> On 5 Sep 2003 at 7:48, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
>
> > Must have missed that thread Arthur.  What are static functions?
> >
>
>
> Functions which retain the value of their variables between calls.
> Something like:
>
> STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date) as Date
> Local dteStore as Date
> IF NOT ISNULLl(dteStartDate) Then
>      dteStore = dteStartDate
> END IF
> StartDate = dteStore
> End FUNCTION
>
> Every time you call the function with a date parameter, it sets its
> value. Every time you call it without a parameter, it returns the
> last value set.
>
> You can now  you user select a start date on a "pick form" somewhere.
> When they have picked it, set the value of  Startdate() with
> something like dteTemp = StartDate(txtStartDate)
>
> Now you can use "=StartDate()" in reports, queries, form filters etc
> anywhere you like. It will return the selected value  until the user
> goes back to the pick form and changes it.
>
>
>
> --
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.
>
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 02:37:07 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:37:07 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkcH4A@pacific.net.hk>

Yes ... You can't set variables declared as LONG/INTEGER/STRING etc as null.  Ie
  DIM lngi as LONG
  Lngi = NULL
This won't work ... It will generate an error.  You can only do that with
variants.  I usually try to avoid variants, so would use something like this:

STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date = 0) as Date
  Local dteStore as Date
  IF dteStartDate <> 0 Then
    dteStore = dteStartDate
  END IF
  StartDate = dteStore
End FUNCTION

Of course this assumes that 00:00:00 Jan 1 1890 (or whenever the start value of
the date variable is) is not going to be a valid input.  

In some circumstances I add initialisation options.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property 
> in a query
> 
> 
> Arthur,
> 
> The only way I was able to get this working was using an 
> optional VARIANT
> and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.
> 
> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function
> 
> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in 
> AfterUpdate of the
> filter combo and used the function value in the dependent 
> combo's query.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property 
> in a query
> 
> 
> Thanks for the explication, Stuart!
> 
> IMO the coolest thing about statics is that you can eliminate 
> references to
> forms. In the AfterUpdate event of some control, you call the static
> function and pass the param. Anywhere else you need it, call the func
> without a param. I don't like being tied to particular forms 
> being open. I
> want to be able to run a query etc. from the debug window 
> anytime I want,
> and to set said static func from the debug window anytime I 
> want. Statics
> give me this. That's why I love 'em.
> 
> A.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property 
> in a query
> 
> 
> Oh.  That's very cool.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property 
> in a query
> 
> 
> > On 5 Sep 2003 at 7:48, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
> >
> > > Must have missed that thread Arthur.  What are static functions?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Functions which retain the value of their variables between calls.
> > Something like:
> >
> > STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date) as Date
> > Local dteStore as Date
> > IF NOT ISNULLl(dteStartDate) Then
> >      dteStore = dteStartDate
> > END IF
> > StartDate = dteStore
> > End FUNCTION
> >
> > Every time you call the function with a date parameter, it sets its
> > value. Every time you call it without a parameter, it returns the
> > last value set.
> >
> > You can now  you user select a start date on a "pick form" 
> somewhere.
> > When they have picked it, set the value of  Startdate() with
> > something like dteTemp = StartDate(txtStartDate)
> >
> > Now you can use "=StartDate()" in reports, queries, form filters etc
> > anywhere you like. It will return the selected value  until the user
> > goes back to the pick form and changes it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > Information Technology Consultancy, Software 
> Development,System Support.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 03:02:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:02:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkcH4A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEBCFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I try and avoid variants as well.  Unfortunately IsMissing requires a
variant.  In this sort of application it appears to me that using a variant
is worthwhile to avoid the issue of "what is a valid 'not used' value" and
will that value be "not used" tomorrow.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Yes ... You can't set variables declared as LONG/INTEGER/STRING etc as null.
Ie
  DIM lngi as LONG
  Lngi = NULL
This won't work ... It will generate an error.  You can only do that with
variants.  I usually try to avoid variants, so would use something like
this:

STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date = 0) as Date
  Local dteStore as Date
  IF dteStartDate <> 0 Then
    dteStore = dteStartDate
  END IF
  StartDate = dteStore
End FUNCTION

Of course this assumes that 00:00:00 Jan 1 1890 (or whenever the start value
of
the date variable is) is not going to be a valid input.

In some circumstances I add initialisation options.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Arthur,
>
> The only way I was able to get this working was using an
> optional VARIANT
> and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.
>
> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function
>
> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in
> AfterUpdate of the
> filter combo and used the function value in the dependent
> combo's query.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Thanks for the explication, Stuart!
>
> IMO the coolest thing about statics is that you can eliminate
> references to
> forms. In the AfterUpdate event of some control, you call the static
> function and pass the param. Anywhere else you need it, call the func
> without a param. I don't like being tied to particular forms
> being open. I
> want to be able to run a query etc. from the debug window
> anytime I want,
> and to set said static func from the debug window anytime I
> want. Statics
> give me this. That's why I love 'em.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Oh.  That's very cool.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> > On 5 Sep 2003 at 7:48, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
> >
> > > Must have missed that thread Arthur.  What are static functions?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Functions which retain the value of their variables between calls.
> > Something like:
> >
> > STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date) as Date
> > Local dteStore as Date
> > IF NOT ISNULLl(dteStartDate) Then
> >      dteStore = dteStartDate
> > END IF
> > StartDate = dteStore
> > End FUNCTION
> >
> > Every time you call the function with a date parameter, it sets its
> > value. Every time you call it without a parameter, it returns the
> > last value set.
> >
> > You can now  you user select a start date on a "pick form"
> somewhere.
> > When they have picked it, set the value of  Startdate() with
> > something like dteTemp = StartDate(txtStartDate)
> >
> > Now you can use "=StartDate()" in reports, queries, form filters etc
> > anywhere you like. It will return the selected value  until the user
> > goes back to the pick form and changes it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > Information Technology Consultancy, Software
> Development,System Support.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct 20 03:04:12 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:04:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1>
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Message-ID: <004001c396e0$bf66c550$9111758f@aine>

Rocky

We just started the testing. Will keep you (and the lsit) posted.

Martin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> Any preliminary result on Spam Assassin?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> > We just started to test Spam Assasin on our servers at work. Oddd thing
is
> I
> > dont get any spam. I use a hotmail account for anything I do on the web
> and
> > leave it to Microsoft to clear out every so often.
> >
> > If your putting your email address on the web make sure you do it in
such
> a
> > way that the robots etc cant recognise it as such.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > > "This is really ridiculous." JC
> > >
> > > ...I should only wish I could slow it down to 60 a day :(
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
> > birth,
> > > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to
> work,
> > > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can
combine
> > to
> > > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > > -- Thomas Wolfe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you use Outlook, try
> > > >
> > > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
> > > >
> > > > I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is
> that
> > > you
> > > > have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected
> > Spam"
> > > > number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam
> (no,
> > > no
> > > > statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).
> > > >
> > > > The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last
month.
> > It
> > > > was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail
forwarder
> > that
> > > > was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh).  What do you all use
> and
> > do
> > > > they really save more time than outlook's "Block Sender" and mail
> rules
> > to
> > > > route mail to a spam folder based on whether or not he words Viagra,
> > debt,
> > > > breast or penis are contained in the message and/or heading?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their spam
> > > filter.
> > > > Ironic, no?
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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> >
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Mon Oct 20 03:24:52 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:24:52 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805A7@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

Hallo Terry,

AFAIK all the records showen in a treeview have to be unique,
(there was an article about creating unique keys for a treeview
at devx written by Arthur Fuller, sorry don't have the link,
maybe somebody else does....)

which would mean that in your case a treeview would be hard to
get working.

hth

alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von MACE, Terry
Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Oktober 2003 23:50
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays


Can anyone tell me if either Treeview or Listview can be used to display
data in a many-to-many relationship.

I have a Bill Of Materials database where several parent parts may have the
same child part that I want to display.

Thanks

Terry Mace
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 04:00:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:00:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <69571312.20031020110049@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You have exactly hit the catch of the use of static functions like
these.

You have to decide - for yourself and the current application - how to
handle these two questions. There is no right or wrong answer:

1. Will I ever pull a value without having fed one?
2. If yes, do I - when no value has been supplied to it - want the
function to return a don't-know-value (Null) or a preset value?

Further, if you for 2. decide to supply a non determined value like
Null, you must, of course, prepare your query to handle this value.
This is important as the original reason for considering a static
function often is to avoid Nulls.

If you answer No to 1. you have no problems.

If you answer Yes to 1. and decide for supplying a non determined
value when no value is available, Variant is probably the right choice
as return value type of the function as this can be Null.
String will return an empty string which often is satisfactory, while
the numeric types will return zero which quite often _will_ have a
meaning. This is indeed true for date/time values.

For dates it is often not convenient to return Null values as you
can't use these in "Between .. And .." constructions. If an "early"
date must be returned as the non determined value, you may pick
#1/1/100#.

Finally, I see no problem in using Variants. Sometimes they are the
right choice as in your function. However, you should name them as
such, like varCTYID.

/gustav

PS: Why are you not sleeping at this time, hogging your pillow?


> The only way I was able to get this working was using an optional VARIANT
> and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.

> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function

> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in AfterUpdate of the
> filter combo and used the function value in the dependent combo's query.


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 04:21:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:21:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <69571312.20031020110049@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

Yep, the name should be varxxx.  I started the function with them lngXXX and
forgot to change them.

I followed with interest the discussion the other day where someone said
they used a different prefix in the param of a function than the actual type
of that param.  I have waffled about this myself.  My thinking was that
intellisense shows the name of the variable, and having it named the data
type you expected to receive told the programmer what to feed in.  IOW, even
though I HAVE to use a variant in order to use the IsEmpty function, I
really want the function fed with a long integer.

It makes a real difference in some cases.  For example, I feed the value of
a text box into the function.  Even though the value is a long, because it
comes from a text box, it is converted to a string by the text box.  Since
this is feeding a function that feeds a query that expects a long integer
(to filter a FK), the function MUST return a long.  Now of course I can do a
cint() on the way out, but if the param name tells me lngXXX then I know
that I am expected to feed in a long int as well.  That is after all what
naming conventions are for, is to tap the developer on the shoulder and say
"this object is supposed to be this type".

Since the function parameter is actually a variant (so that IsMissing will
work), it can handle anything sent in, but that doesn't mean that it should
be fed just anything.

To me this is one of those gray areas where naming conventions just don't
work as they should.  Yea, it's literally a variant, but it is expecting a
long.  What should the name say, lng or var?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Hi John

You have exactly hit the catch of the use of static functions like
these.

You have to decide - for yourself and the current application - how to
handle these two questions. There is no right or wrong answer:

1. Will I ever pull a value without having fed one?
2. If yes, do I - when no value has been supplied to it - want the
function to return a don't-know-value (Null) or a preset value?

Further, if you for 2. decide to supply a non determined value like
Null, you must, of course, prepare your query to handle this value.
This is important as the original reason for considering a static
function often is to avoid Nulls.

If you answer No to 1. you have no problems.

If you answer Yes to 1. and decide for supplying a non determined
value when no value is available, Variant is probably the right choice
as return value type of the function as this can be Null.
String will return an empty string which often is satisfactory, while
the numeric types will return zero which quite often _will_ have a
meaning. This is indeed true for date/time values.

For dates it is often not convenient to return Null values as you
can't use these in "Between .. And .." constructions. If an "early"
date must be returned as the non determined value, you may pick
#1/1/100#.

Finally, I see no problem in using Variants. Sometimes they are the
right choice as in your function. However, you should name them as
such, like varCTYID.

/gustav

PS: Why are you not sleeping at this time, hogging your pillow?


> The only way I was able to get this working was using an optional VARIANT
> and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.

> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function

> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in AfterUpdate of the
> filter combo and used the function value in the dependent combo's query.

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 04:25:09 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:25:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 04:46:30 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:46:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9812312133.20031020114630@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> Since the function parameter is actually a variant (so that IsMissing will
> work), it can handle anything sent in, but that doesn't mean that it should
> be fed just anything.

> To me this is one of those gray areas where naming conventions just don't
> work as they should.  Yea, it's literally a variant, but it is expecting a
> long.  What should the name say, lng or var?

I think it should be a Variant for three reasons.

First, if you name it as, say, lng and you feed it a string by error,
this will not cause an error which it would if the parameter was a
true Long. I find it convenient that such errors are caught as early
as possible, indeed during development.

Second, if you use ByRef ...

Third, if your function only can or is supposed to handle certain
vartypes you will, as you know, have to trap other vartypes. Often you
will need nothing more than IsNumeric() or IsDate() - or even "On
Error Resume Next" - for that purpose.

/gustav


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 04:46:56 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:46:56 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c396ef$19f89ee0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

As an extension to that, I've started prefixing function parameters with the By
Ref/By Val type.  Eg Function CapString (By Val vstrSomeValue as string) as
string. (vstr is string by value as opposed to rstr as by ref) Mostly this is
just for accuracy of naming, but it could be useful if you manipulate the
parameter, particularly in the case of API calls.

You do raise a good point John.  Variable naming conventions are meant to be
useful in debugging, relooking at code, or just taking over someone elses code.
I suppose you could extend a convention to handle cases like that.

For example, I've seen.
  cstr string constant
  vstr string by value (I didn't invent this)
  rstr string by ref

So why not add
  varstr/varint/varlng etc
  varstr variant expecting a string
  varlng variant expecting a long

Food for thought

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Gustav,
>
> Yep, the name should be varxxx.  I started the function with
> them lngXXX and
> forgot to change them.
>
> I followed with interest the discussion the other day where
> someone said
> they used a different prefix in the param of a function than
> the actual type
> of that param.  I have waffled about this myself.  My
> thinking was that
> intellisense shows the name of the variable, and having it
> named the data
> type you expected to receive told the programmer what to feed
> in.  IOW, even
> though I HAVE to use a variant in order to use the IsEmpty function, I
> really want the function fed with a long integer.
>
> It makes a real difference in some cases.  For example, I
> feed the value of
> a text box into the function.  Even though the value is a
> long, because it
> comes from a text box, it is converted to a string by the
> text box.  Since
> this is feeding a function that feeds a query that expects a
> long integer
> (to filter a FK), the function MUST return a long.  Now of
> course I can do a
> cint() on the way out, but if the param name tells me lngXXX
> then I know
> that I am expected to feed in a long int as well.  That is
> after all what
> naming conventions are for, is to tap the developer on the
> shoulder and say
> "this object is supposed to be this type".
>
> Since the function parameter is actually a variant (so that
> IsMissing will
> work), it can handle anything sent in, but that doesn't mean
> that it should
> be fed just anything.
>
> To me this is one of those gray areas where naming
> conventions just don't
> work as they should.  Yea, it's literally a variant, but it
> is expecting a
> long.  What should the name say, lng or var?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Hi John
>
> You have exactly hit the catch of the use of static functions like
> these.
>
> You have to decide - for yourself and the current application - how to
> handle these two questions. There is no right or wrong answer:
>
> 1. Will I ever pull a value without having fed one?
> 2. If yes, do I - when no value has been supplied to it - want the
> function to return a don't-know-value (Null) or a preset value?
>
> Further, if you for 2. decide to supply a non determined value like
> Null, you must, of course, prepare your query to handle this value.
> This is important as the original reason for considering a static
> function often is to avoid Nulls.
>
> If you answer No to 1. you have no problems.
>
> If you answer Yes to 1. and decide for supplying a non determined
> value when no value is available, Variant is probably the right choice
> as return value type of the function as this can be Null.
> String will return an empty string which often is satisfactory, while
> the numeric types will return zero which quite often _will_ have a
> meaning. This is indeed true for date/time values.
>
> For dates it is often not convenient to return Null values as you
> can't use these in "Between .. And .." constructions. If an "early"
> date must be returned as the non determined value, you may pick
> #1/1/100#.
>
> Finally, I see no problem in using Variants. Sometimes they are the
> right choice as in your function. However, you should name them as
> such, like varCTYID.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: Why are you not sleeping at this time, hogging your pillow?
>
>
> > The only way I was able to get this working was using an
> optional VARIANT
> > and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing integer.
>
> > Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> > llngCTYID As Variant)
> > Dim lngCTYID As Variant
> >     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
> >         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
> >     End If
> >     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> > End Function
>
> > It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in
> AfterUpdate of the
> > filter combo and used the function value in the dependent
> combo's query.
>
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>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 05:05:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:05:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
In-Reply-To: <002a01c396ef$19f89ee0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <002a01c396ef$19f89ee0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <7113424773.20031020120503@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Good idea. Except for one thing: sometimes ByVal is handled like ByRef
in API calls. I've never found an explanation for that ...

Here's an example (strBuffer):

Private Declare Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32" Alias "GetTempPathA" ( _
  ByVal nBufferLength As Long, _
  ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long

Public Function GetTempDirectory() As String

' Returns path to temp directory incl. traling backslash:
'   c:\winnt\temp\

  Const clngBufferLen As Long = 255
  Dim lngPath         As Long
  Dim strBuffer       As String * clngBufferLen

  lngPath = GetTempPath(clngBufferLen, strBuffer)
  If lngPath < 0 Then
    lngPath = 0
  End If
  GetTempDirectory = LCase(Left(strBuffer, lngPath))
    
End Function


/gustav


> As an extension to that, I've started prefixing function parameters with the By
> Ref/By Val type.  Eg Function CapString (By Val vstrSomeValue as string) as
> string. (vstr is string by value as opposed to rstr as by ref) Mostly this is
> just for accuracy of naming, but it could be useful if you manipulate the
> parameter, particularly in the case of API calls.

> You do raise a good point John.  Variable naming conventions are meant to be
> useful in debugging, relooking at code, or just taking over someone elses code.
> I suppose you could extend a convention to handle cases like that.

> For example, I've seen.
>   cstr string constant
>   vstr string by value (I didn't invent this)
>   rstr string by ref

> So why not add
>   varstr/varint/varlng etc
>   varstr variant expecting a string
>   varlng variant expecting a long


From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 05:14:06 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:14:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] 
	OT: Adding multiple 'records' in a W2K table using userforms?
Message-ID: <20031020101406.46980.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi group,

i'm creating a userform in Word 2000. 
At this point it fills in everything I want, EXCEPT
(of course) I do not now how I can create something to
let the user add multiple lines eg
The user has to fill in the activities he/she needs to
do.

ID  Description          Time (in hours)
A1  Add new customers       2 
A2  Remove new customers    1
A3  Add new products        2

What control do I need to create the above? i tried
the [Microsoft Flexgrid Control] but I couldn't enter
any info. If this IS the control I need how do I
export this info to the actual table in the word
document? Is this also possible with bookmarks?

TIA

SD

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From liam at energyexhausts.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 05:35:43 2003
From: liam at energyexhausts.co.uk (Liam Meadows)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:35:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Unrecognized Database Format problem
Message-ID: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509E017093@energys1.energy.local>

Well it looks like my system has the Monday morning blues.
The MDB BE Keeps getting corrupted and the culprit seems to be my
machine.
When I try and repair the BE it says that it is in use by admin on
OFFICE2 which is wrong because I am logged in as LIAM on OFFICE2.
Even if I shut the machine down and all the others then goto the server
and try and repair it syill tells me that ADMIN on OFFICE2 is still
connected. It won't let me delete the ldb due to share violations and
the only way to get rid of it is to reboot the server and delete the
ldb.

Has anyone come across this problem ?
Has anyone a solution ?

Regards

Liam

From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 05:50:02 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:50:02 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Unrecognized Database Format problem
In-Reply-To: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509E017093@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <002d01c396f7$eab058e0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

By default the login name and password for getting into access is ADMIN and []
(ie blank password.  If you use access security, and change the ADMIN password,
then you will be prompted for a username and password everytime you login to the
access mdb.

So by ADMIN it is referring to the login name into access, not the login name on
your PC.  That is why it keeps saying ADMIN.

As to the specific cause of the corruption, it is most commonly caused by
connections/objects not being closed correctly.

So when you use
  dim db as database
  set db = [some connection to the back end on the server]

You need to also add
  set db = nothing
  (I've not needed to use db.close)
When you have finished with the object.  The same applies to any other objects
that connect to the backend.  Eg recordsets.

Hope that helps

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Liam Meadows
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 6:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Unrecognized Database Format problem
>
>
> Well it looks like my system has the Monday morning blues.
> The MDB BE Keeps getting corrupted and the culprit seems to be my
> machine.
> When I try and repair the BE it says that it is in use by admin on
> OFFICE2 which is wrong because I am logged in as LIAM on OFFICE2.
> Even if I shut the machine down and all the others then goto
> the server
> and try and repair it syill tells me that ADMIN on OFFICE2 is still
> connected. It won't let me delete the ldb due to share violations and
> the only way to get rid of it is to reboot the server and delete the
> ldb.
>
> Has anyone come across this problem ?
> Has anyone a solution ?
>
> Regards
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Oct 20 06:19:52 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:19:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306556A2@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF42@ADGSERVER>

I second this one.  It catches ALL of the spam but sometimes moves good
stuff to the possible spam folder.

What I did is to let a bunch of spam build up for training purposes.  I
moved all of the spam to a spam folder before training.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


If you use Outlook, try

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html

I use this.  Very good Bayesian filter.  The only thing to know is that you
have to set the "Certain Spam" number down to 20 and the "Suspected Spam"
number down to about 10.  At those settings it nails 99% of my Spam (no, no
statistics with this one but it is native to Outlook).

The Spam volume coming to me has doubled (or more) in the last month.  It
was already about 60 / day after getting rid of an old mail forwarder that
was 100% Spam.  This is really ridiculous.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 06:34:12 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:34:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
Message-ID: <20031020113409.83D9523A1AD@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Hi John
I handle this by always having my users running Runtime which automatically
turns off all in-built toolbars.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
Date: 20/10/03 09:31


One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
when the db is in production. It occurred to me I could use my
Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine. Has anyone ever
done this? Any thoughts on the matter?

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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Mon Oct 20 06:37:29 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:37:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED@achmea.nl>

Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount



John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Mon Oct 20 07:10:33 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:10:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off Run Faster
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E00E7@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

What is it you turn off in A2K for better performance? I know one is when
you open a table you can click on the + to show the related info - where do
you turn this off?
 
Is there anything else that will help?
 
Virginia

From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 07:28:44 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
In-Reply-To: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805A7@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <20031020122844.27508.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>

??Question you've got a many-to-many between you're
products table and you're parts table, correct?

So you would have:
Tablename: Product
Fields: ID(=Primary Key), Description
Values:
ID     Description
7      Table
9      Chair

Suppose the table and chair both use the same wooden
'leg'

Tablename: Parts
Fields: ID (=Primary Key), Description    
Values:
ID     Description
1006   WoodenLeg

If you would create a table that holds the
relationships between products and parts, eg tblBOM,
with the fields ID_Products and ID_Parts. this would
create the following:
ID_Products   ID_PARTS
7             1006
9             1009

Wich are unique! Or did I miss something?

Hope this is what you need.

Regards

Sander
--- "Garraway, Alun" <Alun.Garraway at otto.de> wrote:
> Hallo Terry,
> 
> AFAIK all the records showen in a treeview have to
> be unique,
> (there was an article about creating unique keys for
> a treeview
> at devx written by Arthur Fuller, sorry don't have
> the link,
> maybe somebody else does....)
> 
> which would mean that in your case a treeview would
> be hard to
> get working.
> 
> hth
> 
> alun
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im
> Auftrag von MACE, Terry
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Oktober 2003 23:50
> An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Betreff: [AccessD] Treeview and Listview Displays
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell me if either Treeview or Listview
> can be used to display
> data in a many-to-many relationship.
> 
> I have a Bill Of Materials database where several
> parent parts may have the
> same child part that I want to display.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Terry Mace
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 07:42:13 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:42:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOELFCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001401c39707$96148bc0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

So where does one get one of these filters for Outlook Express?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> Yes, I concur John.
>
> I was recently introduced to the new Mozilla Bayesian filter and was
totally
> impressed especially that it actually learns your preferences and
> tolerences, similar to a netural net...it actually learns as it goes from
> your selections and rejections  over time. A friend has been using one for
> over a year now. He has been directing all the spam to a spam directory
just
> in case it filtered some important documents. In the last month or so he
> says it has been doing the filtering with one hundred percent accuracy but
> he said it tooks months before the filter was properly fine-tune.
>
> I will be using the Bayesian spam filter for sure.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> For my money it is still helpful to place the spam in a separate folder
for
> scanning.  It just seems easier to look at a page of messages about loans,
> pills and penis patches and pick out the one good message.  And believe
me,
> Bayesian filters are VERY good at deciding that something is spam.
>
> I use Outlook filters to further classify my email, sorting things into
> folders.  Newsletters, AccessD messages, stuff from friends and relatives
> etc.  Train the Bayesian filter on ONE EACH of these messages and it's
good
> to go.  I guess it decides that the address is good or something, not sure
> really.  So the spam goes into the spam bucket and really is spam, VERY
> occasional "not sure" (and you can play with the numbers to decide the %
is
> tagged not sure), and whatever is left in the inbox after spam filtering
and
> my rules is also about 50% spam, though these amount to 1 or 2 a day.
>
> Until someone on the list turned me on to Bayesian filters I wasn't
> convinced, but they really do work.  This C%oc&k crap gets shoveled right
> out as spam.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:14 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if
the
> 1%
> it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent
> losing
> such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If
> that's
> the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my
> inbox
> and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.
>
> A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or
> have a
> new email.
> - *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
> around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.
Use
> either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
> receiving enquiries
> - checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw
away
> address.  I use a yahoo email address for this
>
> Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe
> someone
> can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there
> > ...but hotmail
> > also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its
> > "bulk mail"
> > catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots
> > of spam scams
> > that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as
> > B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> > :(((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 07:48:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:48:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<012e01c39678$b89d3be0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <1630766.20031020083149@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003c01c39708$76423990$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Well, for my part I wanted to reach a large number of people with the
question to see if anyone has an effective blocker for OE.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> Hi Rocky et all
>
> Wonder why this subject doesn't live on our Techno sister list for the
> benefice of those listers not interested that much in Access?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > SO you don't use and spam blocker?
>
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 20 07:55:45 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:55:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed
Message-ID: <001501c39709$7a742e00$6501a8c0@user>

I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some code previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your tables, ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None".
(Sorry - can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be of some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property
  
  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String
  
  Dim strS As String
  
  Set MyDB = CurrentDb
  
  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"
  
  On Error Resume Next
  
  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1
      
      If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

          If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal Then
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
             intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
          End If
 
          If Err.Number = 3270 Then
             Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
             MyProperty.Type = PropType
             MyProperty.Value = propVal
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
          Else
             If Err.Number <> 0 Then
                 MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
                 & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
                 MyDB.Close
                 Exit Function
             End If
          End If
          
      End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From artful at rogers.com  Mon Oct 20 10:58:51 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:58:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
Message-ID: <002701c39723$160cc110$6501a8c0@rock>

Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
designation?

Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?

TIA,
Arthur

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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Mon Oct 20 08:12:59 2003
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:12:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
In-Reply-To: <002701c39723$160cc110$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <000001c3970b$e23b2ff0$0c05a8c0@carlton.local>

Arthur,

Australia has states/territories and they are as follows:

ACT - Australian Capital Territory
NSW - New South Wales
QLD - Queensland
NT - Northern Territory
WA - Western Australia
SA - South Australia
VIC - Victoria
TAS - Tasmania

HTH
Vlad

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Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 1:59 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders


Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
designation?

Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 20 08:23:00 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:23:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
In-Reply-To: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEGJHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Marcel,

  Before moving to anything else, I'd try and squeeze some more performance
out of what you have.  One of the big things you can do is to keep a
reference to the BE open at all times while the app is open. Some other
things:

0. For Windows servers, make sure OPLOCKS are turned off (see MSKB).
1. Make sure the MDB is not being virus scanned on the sever or client (some
are set to "scan on open").
2. Turn off Name Auto Correct.
3. Turn off sub data sheets.
4. Make sure your MDB is compiled and stays that way (alternatively
distribute the FE as a MDE).
5. Limit forms to a subset of the data.  i.e. limit the recordset to a
single record.  Don't bind forms to an entire table.

  The first few are easy (along with the reference thing mentioned above)
and should yield a healthy boost in performance.  Beyond that, moving to a
true client/server setup to limit data on the network is the way to go.  But
you can get some good results by doing #5 above.

 BTW for JET based solutions, DAO is as fast as you can get.  Moving to ADO
only will actually slow things down.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount



John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct 20 08:28:07 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:28:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1>
	<013401c39678$d2d4a8e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <015601c3970d$ffce6030$9111758f@aine>

Hi all

Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
the web with Databases especially Access.

FrontPage
VS .NET
Dreamweaver
Notepad

Etc

Please reply of list


Martin
mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk


From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Mon Oct 20 08:29:09 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:29:09 +0200
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] mdb speed
Message-ID: <OF6679A65F.555E6A3E-ONC1256DC5.0049F84A@achmea.nl>

Kath,

Thanks for your code. I found this one (without the code) and a solution to
keep a recordset permanent open to prevent a lock of the LDB file.

Marcel







"Kath Pelletti" <SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au>@databaseadvisors.com op
20-10-2003 14:55:45

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I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some
code previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your
tables, ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None".
(Sorry - can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and
performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be of
some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property

  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String

  Dim strS As String

  Set MyDB = CurrentDb

  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"

  On Error Resume Next

  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1

     If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

        If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal Then
           MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
           intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
        End If

        If Err.Number = 3270 Then
           Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
           MyProperty.Type = PropType
           MyProperty.Value = propVal
           MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
        Else
           If Err.Number <> 0 Then
              MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
              & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
              MyDB.Close
              Exit Function
           End If
        End If

     End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 08:41:12 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:41:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <007101c3970f$d39e5ae0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

This probably doesn't apply to your situation but I turn the toolbars off if
the db is an mde since that's what I distribute.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:25 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


> One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars
AUTOMATICALLY
> when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
> Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
> toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
> done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 08:43:14 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:43:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
References: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <008701c39710$1c2b3350$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Is it possible to use MSDE?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:37 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
> distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
and
> BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
> Expecially on a network envirnement.
> I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
> with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht
function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and
I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move first.
> EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 20 08:52:48 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:52:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
In-Reply-To: <200310201323.h9KDNP607883@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031020085015.02663008@pop3.highstream.net>

Marcel,

How big is the FE and BE databases?

How many simultaneous users?

Are the users using a local copy of the FE?

Do your forms limit the number of records displayed?

After getting the answers to these questions, I can
give you better direction.

Robert

At 08:23 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:37:29 +0200
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED at achmea.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Dear group,
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
>took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
>you the following.
>
>I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
>distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
>BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
>Expecially on a network envirnement.
>I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
>with only the data wich is used
>- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
>of module.
>-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
>do not know if i want to do this.
>
>But this all did not improved much.
>
>I am thinking about the following
>- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
>performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
>something
>- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
>form. If I do this does this improve performance
>- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
>the won?t be happy.
>
>
>Any suggestions, ideas??
>I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
>tricks in this.
>
>Thansk marcel



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 20 09:22:04 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:22:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227398@main2.marlow.com>

What kind of recordset are you opening.  I never have a problem with Keyset.
Then again, I rarely care how many records there are, since I am usually
just looping until I reach EOF.  When I'm done, I have a collection I can
just get the count of.

Also, MoveLast may be all you need, moving First again may goof the count,
not sure.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 10/18/03 10:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount

I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.  
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 20 09:50:56 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:50:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <28741268.1066642234653.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <001801c39719$916d93c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

In my startup form the code recognizes that I am designated in the
tblPeopleMain that I am the developer, and it leaves the standard toolbars
on.  For everyone else, I control which toolbars are on and which are off.
This way, it doesn't matter which machine I'm on, I can use the toolbars I
need.

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:25 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Oct 20 09:53:41 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:53:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB88E@nnse14.nns.com>

Why off list?  I, for one, would be interested in the
responses...particularly if there arises a debate.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey


Hi all

Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
the web with Databases especially Access.

FrontPage
VS .NET
Dreamweaver
Notepad

Etc

Please reply of list


Martin
mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 10:44:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:44:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed
In-Reply-To: <001501c39709$7a742e00$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMECEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I assume this has to be inserted into a module in the BE and run with the BE
open?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed


I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some code
previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your tables,
ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None".
(Sorry - can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and
performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be of
some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property

  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String

  Dim strS As String

  Set MyDB = CurrentDb

  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"

  On Error Resume Next

  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1

      If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

          If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal Then
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
             intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
          End If

          If Err.Number = 3270 Then
             Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
             MyProperty.Type = PropType
             MyProperty.Value = propVal
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
          Else
             If Err.Number <> 0 Then
                 MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
                 & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
                 MyDB.Close
                 Exit Function
             End If
          End If

      End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 10:46:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:46:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off Run Faster
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123A9@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Turn off Name Autocorrect in Tools-->Options-->Advanced.  Turn off
subdatasheets on each table by opening the table in design view and
bringing up its property sheet.  Set Subdatasheets to None.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off Run Faster


What is it you turn off in A2K for better performance? I know one is
when you open a table you can click on the + to show the related info -
where do you turn this off?
 
Is there anything else that will help?
 
Virginia
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 10:47:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:47:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips, tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





"dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003 06:32:54

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Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount



John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move first. EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 10:48:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:48:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
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http://www.webattack.com/get/k9.html

For K9, or Google K9 spam

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


So where does one get one of these filters for Outlook Express?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker


> Yes, I concur John.
>
> I was recently introduced to the new Mozilla Bayesian filter and was
totally
> impressed especially that it actually learns your preferences and
> tolerences, similar to a netural net...it actually learns as it goes from
> your selections and rejections  over time. A friend has been using one for
> over a year now. He has been directing all the spam to a spam directory
just
> in case it filtered some important documents. In the last month or so he
> says it has been doing the filtering with one hundred percent accuracy but
> he said it tooks months before the filter was properly fine-tune.
>
> I will be using the Bayesian spam filter for sure.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> For my money it is still helpful to place the spam in a separate folder
for
> scanning.  It just seems easier to look at a page of messages about loans,
> pills and penis patches and pick out the one good message.  And believe
me,
> Bayesian filters are VERY good at deciding that something is spam.
>
> I use Outlook filters to further classify my email, sorting things into
> folders.  Newsletters, AccessD messages, stuff from friends and relatives
> etc.  Train the Bayesian filter on ONE EACH of these messages and it's
good
> to go.  I guess it decides that the address is good or something, not sure
> really.  So the spam goes into the spam bucket and really is spam, VERY
> occasional "not sure" (and you can play with the numbers to decide the %
is
> tagged not sure), and whatever is left in the inbox after spam filtering
and
> my rules is also about 50% spam, though these amount to 1 or 2 a day.
>
> Until someone on the list turned me on to Bayesian filters I wasn't
> convinced, but they really do work.  This C%oc&k crap gets shoveled right
> out as spam.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:14 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
>
>
> My main problem with anti-spam stuff is the 99% accuracy issue.  What if
the
> 1%
> it filters happens to be an urgent email I need.  So in order to prevent
> losing
> such an email, I still have to scan down the list of filtered junk.  If
> that's
> the case, then why bother at all.  So I've ended up just scanning down my
> inbox
> and ctrl clicking each spam and hitting delete.
>
> A couple of things that can help if you are not already too inundated or
> have a
> new email.
> - *never* put your email as a link on your website.  Robots wind their way
> around the internet looking at websites to harvest email addresses off.
Use
> either a graphical image of your email address or use a web based form for
> receiving enquiries
> - checking out a new site and it requires registration then use a throw
away
> address.  I use a yahoo email address for this
>
> Probably many other tips users of DBA lists could come up with.  Maybe
> someone
> can write up a summary and create a spam help page on the DBA site.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 4:39 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker
> >
> >
> > ...I mostly use hotmail and have several filters set there
> > ...but hotmail
> > also frequently routes good mail it can't classify into its
> > "bulk mail"
> > catchall so I still have to scan it ...plus, there are lots
> > of spam scams
> > that hotmail isn't sophisticated enough to catch such as
> > B-I-G D-I-*-K, etc
> > :(((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 10:53:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:53:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

But an optional argument can be any datatype, John.  Then instead of
IsMissing, you just check for the default value of the argument, an
empty string or a zero, etc.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


I try and avoid variants as well.  Unfortunately IsMissing requires a
variant.  In this sort of application it appears to me that using a
variant is worthwhile to avoid the issue of "what is a valid 'not used'
value" and will that value be "not used" tomorrow.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a query


Yes ... You can't set variables declared as LONG/INTEGER/STRING etc as
null. Ie
  DIM lngi as LONG
  Lngi = NULL
This won't work ... It will generate an error.  You can only do that
with variants.  I usually try to avoid variants, so would use something
like
this:

STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date = 0) as Date
  Local dteStore as Date
  IF dteStartDate <> 0 Then
    dteStore = dteStartDate
  END IF
  StartDate = dteStore
End FUNCTION

Of course this assumes that 00:00:00 Jan 1 1890 (or whenever the start
value of the date variable is) is not going to be a valid input.

In some circumstances I add initialisation options.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a 
> query
>
>
> Arthur,
>
> The only way I was able to get this working was using an optional 
> VARIANT and checking IsMissing.  IsNull didn't work on a missing 
> integer.
>
> Static Function FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter(Optional
> llngCTYID As Variant)
> Dim lngCTYID As Variant
>     If Not IsMissing(llngCTYID) Then
>         lngCTYID = llngCTYID
>     End If
>     FltrSfrmClaimAssociatesCboContactSelFilter = lngCTYID
> End Function
>
> It does work great though.  Set it up to be called in AfterUpdate of 
> the filter combo and used the function value in the dependent
> combo's query.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a 
> query
>
>
> Thanks for the explication, Stuart!
>
> IMO the coolest thing about statics is that you can eliminate 
> references to forms. In the AfterUpdate event of some control, you 
> call the static function and pass the param. Anywhere else you need 
> it, call the func without a param. I don't like being tied to 
> particular forms being open. I
> want to be able to run a query etc. from the debug window
> anytime I want,
> and to set said static func from the debug window anytime I
> want. Statics
> give me this. That's why I love 'em.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property
> in a query
>
>
> Oh.  That's very cool.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K Reference the dot column property in a 
> query
>
>
> > On 5 Sep 2003 at 7:48, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
> >
> > > Must have missed that thread Arthur.  What are static functions?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Functions which retain the value of their variables between calls. 
> > Something like:
> >
> > STATIC FUNCTION StartDate(OPTIONAL dteStartDate as Date) as Date 
> > Local dteStore as Date IF NOT ISNULLl(dteStartDate) Then
> >      dteStore = dteStartDate
> > END IF
> > StartDate = dteStore
> > End FUNCTION
> >
> > Every time you call the function with a date parameter, it sets its 
> > value. Every time you call it without a parameter, it returns the 
> > last value set.
> >
> > You can now  you user select a start date on a "pick form"
> somewhere.
> > When they have picked it, set the value of  Startdate() with 
> > something like dteTemp = StartDate(txtStartDate)
> >
> > Now you can use "=StartDate()" in reports, queries, form filters etc

> > anywhere you like. It will return the selected value  until the user

> > goes back to the pick form and changes it.
> >
> >
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 10:57:54 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:57:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

CurrentProject was introduced in Access 2000.  It will break in Access
97.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security


BTW, I meant to state that this is being developed in A2K.  I am using
ADO connections and CurrentProject.Connection and CodeProject.Connection
syntax, which I'm not sure works in A97.  If they do then this should
work fine in A97.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security


Folks,

I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for beta
testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security system
such as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work
so that you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking
for PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only
system, i.e. it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only
allows the developer to ask questions like "should this user (belonging
to this set of groups) be allowed to open the form, see this control"
etc.  Thus the developer needs to be capable of writing code to query
the classes and apply the answer as (s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later
date, add the ability to have LWS actually set the properties discussed
below which would allow use with less programming but for now that isn't
in place.

LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  The
form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit
record, Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected
are Enabled, Locked, and Visible.

LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  LWS
is designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the
INTERFACE level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a
given form, who can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT
data in a given control on a given form.  These are fundamentally
different issues than the built in DATA security that Access and SQL
Server provide.  I designed LWS because my clients asked for things like
"only allow certain users to be able to see (or use) this control" or
"only allow certain users to be able to open this form" etc.

As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child records
to parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only"
operation and requires either going directly into tables, or building
specific forms if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set
the control Invisible as the form opens unless the user belongs to the
Supervisor (or
Administrator) group.

LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows
NT/2K/XP etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.
Users belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.

There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:

uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5). usystblLWSGroup
contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit that is used for
mapping it's abilities later. usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of
users to groups.  A simple m-m uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, Open,
Edit, Add and Delete maps. MsysControls contains control security
information - Form ID, Control name, Enabled, Locked and Visible maps

There are a handful of forms to support LWS:

usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users. usysfrmLWSGroups - The
form for setting up groups. usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping
groups to users. usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to
groups. usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer
in setting up form security

LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am
using the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and
functioning. The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will
be available within the next week or two.

LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available to
beta
testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    You
should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods and
setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes via
VB etc.

I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...

Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the
finished product, which is more than MS gives you!

I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide
whether you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me
OFF LIST at LWS at colbyconsulting.com.

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 20 11:00:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:00:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222739E@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, a few things.  First, ADO is NOT faster then DAO. But the speed
difference probably wouldn't be noticable.  Next, why are you closing all
connections at the end of your procedures.  In reality, if things seem slow,
keeping a constant 'global' conneciton will speed things up, over reopening
the same connection again and again.

Along those lines, if you have bound forms, there is a method to force the
BE link to remain open.  Create a table in the BE, then create a bound form
to that table (linked in the FE).  On the startup of your apps, open that
form hidden, and keep it open.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount



John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 11:01:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:01:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AD@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

John,

You just need to run it on the database it applies to.  You could open
the back end in code and run the routine against its tables without
actually putting the code into the BE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] mdb speed


I assume this has to be inserted into a module in the BE and run with
the BE open?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed


I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some
code previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your
tables, ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None". (Sorry -
can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and
performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be
of some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property

  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String

  Dim strS As String

  Set MyDB = CurrentDb

  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"

  On Error Resume Next

  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1

      If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

          If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal
Then
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
             intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
          End If

          If Err.Number = 3270 Then
             Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
             MyProperty.Type = PropType
             MyProperty.Value = propVal
             MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
          Else
             If Err.Number <> 0 Then
                 MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
                 & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
                 MyDB.Close
                 Exit Function
             End If
          End If

      End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




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Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 20 11:03:29 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:03:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222739F@main2.marlow.com>

I think this is applicable to the list, so I'm replying here.

VB 6.0 to do a majority of the dirty work.  It is easy to develop in, and it
actually runs much faster then raw ASP.  As far as the web pages themselves,
it's a toss-up between FP, MS Script Editor (the one that comes with FP
2002), and Notepad.  I use all three quite often.  I find I use the MSSE the
most though, the version that comes with FP 2002 autocompletes HTML tags, so
it's very handy.  I write almost everything in HTML that way, unless I need
to make it 'pretty'.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey


Hi all

Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
the web with Databases especially Access.

FrontPage
VS .NET
Dreamweaver
Notepad

Etc

Please reply of list


Martin
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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Oct 20 11:08:45 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:08:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124B7@NT04.karta.com>


I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
year with no problems.
Recently, I was informed, by the client, that when it's opened in AXP, an
error message occurs and it closes down.
The error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
and then shuts down.
I tested it on a few machines in the office and my box at home. I could not
duplicate the error the client received. The MDE opens as expected on the
machines at the office using AXP. On my computer at home, I got an error
message (I didn't' save the error message) and it shut down.  The MDB file
gets an error message about a missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my
box at home I removed a reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB
worked!

When converted to XP, they work as expected.
The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the references
didn't change.

Why is this happening?  
Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP version
but not the A2K version?

Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was occurring.
I will be converting the database to XP and move on.

TIA
Jim




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 11:16:15 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:16:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECHFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks.  I guess that means A2K and up only.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security


CurrentProject was introduced in Access 2000.  It will break in Access
97.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security


BTW, I meant to state that this is being developed in A2K.  I am using
ADO connections and CurrentProject.Connection and CodeProject.Connection
syntax, which I'm not sure works in A97.  If they do then this should
work fine in A97.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:27 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security


Folks,

I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for beta
testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security system
such as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work
so that you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking
for PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only
system, i.e. it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only
allows the developer to ask questions like "should this user (belonging
to this set of groups) be allowed to open the form, see this control"
etc.  Thus the developer needs to be capable of writing code to query
the classes and apply the answer as (s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later
date, add the ability to have LWS actually set the properties discussed
below which would allow use with less programming but for now that isn't
in place.

LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  The
form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit
record, Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected
are Enabled, Locked, and Visible.

LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  LWS
is designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the
INTERFACE level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a
given form, who can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT
data in a given control on a given form.  These are fundamentally
different issues than the built in DATA security that Access and SQL
Server provide.  I designed LWS because my clients asked for things like
"only allow certain users to be able to see (or use) this control" or
"only allow certain users to be able to open this form" etc.

As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child records
to parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only"
operation and requires either going directly into tables, or building
specific forms if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set
the control Invisible as the form opens unless the user belongs to the
Supervisor (or
Administrator) group.

LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows
NT/2K/XP etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.
Users belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.

There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:

uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5). usystblLWSGroup
contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit that is used for
mapping it's abilities later. usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of
users to groups.  A simple m-m uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, Open,
Edit, Add and Delete maps. MsysControls contains control security
information - Form ID, Control name, Enabled, Locked and Visible maps

There are a handful of forms to support LWS:

usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users. usysfrmLWSGroups - The
form for setting up groups. usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping
groups to users. usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to
groups. usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer
in setting up form security

LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am
using the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and
functioning. The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will
be available within the next week or two.

LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available to
beta
testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    You
should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods and
setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes via
VB etc.

I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...

Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the
finished product, which is more than MS gives you!

I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide
whether you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me
OFF LIST at LWS at colbyconsulting.com.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 11:22:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:22:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
In-Reply-To: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124B7@NT04.karta.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECIFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Do you use a library?  I had this issue and had to recompile BOTH the
framework (library) and the FE and install new (recompiled) versions of both
on the XP machines.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:09 PM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions



I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
year with no problems.
Recently, I was informed, by the client, that when it's opened in AXP, an
error message occurs and it closes down.
The error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
and then shuts down.
I tested it on a few machines in the office and my box at home. I could not
duplicate the error the client received. The MDE opens as expected on the
machines at the office using AXP. On my computer at home, I got an error
message (I didn't' save the error message) and it shut down.  The MDB file
gets an error message about a missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my
box at home I removed a reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB
worked!

When converted to XP, they work as expected.
The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the references
didn't change.

Why is this happening?
Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP version
but not the A2K version?

Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was occurring.
I will be converting the database to XP and move on.

TIA
Jim



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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Oct 20 11:24:30 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:24:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124B8@NT04.karta.com>


No library involved.
thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions


Do you use a library?  I had this issue and had to recompile BOTH the
framework (library) and the FE and install new (recompiled) versions of both
on the XP machines.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:09 PM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions



I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
year with no problems.
Recently, I was informed, by the client, that when it's opened in AXP, an
error message occurs and it closes down.
The error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
and then shuts down.
I tested it on a few machines in the office and my box at home. I could not
duplicate the error the client received. The MDE opens as expected on the
machines at the office using AXP. On my computer at home, I got an error
message (I didn't' save the error message) and it shut down.  The MDB file
gets an error message about a missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my
box at home I removed a reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB
worked!

When converted to XP, they work as expected.
The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the references
didn't change.

Why is this happening?
Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP version
but not the A2K version?

Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was occurring.
I will be converting the database to XP and move on.

TIA
Jim



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 11:27:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:27:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Oh, yeah.  If you use an MDE library, you have to upgrade that to match
the front end.  We ran into that with our Redemption libarary when we
moved to XP.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions


Do you use a library?  I had this issue and had to recompile BOTH the
framework (library) and the FE and install new (recompiled) versions of
both on the XP machines.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:09 PM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions



I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
year with no problems. Recently, I was informed, by the client, that
when it's opened in AXP, an error message occurs and it closes down. The
error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
and then shuts down. I tested it on a few machines in the office and my
box at home. I could not duplicate the error the client received. The
MDE opens as expected on the machines at the office using AXP. On my
computer at home, I got an error message (I didn't' save the error
message) and it shut down.  The MDB file gets an error message about a
missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my box at home I removed a
reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB worked!

When converted to XP, they work as expected.
The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the
references didn't change.

Why is this happening?
Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP
version but not the A2K version?

Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was
occurring. I will be converting the database to XP and move on.

TIA
Jim



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From backroad at idir.net  Mon Oct 20 11:45:57 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:45:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity
Message-ID: <00af01c39729$a78d8970$6501a8c0@Julie>

Sorry for the re-posting - my email service has been intermittant over the last couple of days and I have not been receiving all mail.

If you've written me on this project and I haven't responded, please email me again.  I will reply to every message.  Thank you.

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Backroads Data 
  To: AccessD 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:18 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Small Access97 Project Opportunity


  Dear AccessD Listers,

  I have a small project for a non-U.S./non-Canadian Access97 coder.  We are modifying an existing application so that it can be used by customers outside the U.S. and Canada.  App interface will still be in English, but 'international' version will handle various currencies, address / phone formats, and non-U.S. date formatting.

  I'm doing all mods except those required to handle dates properly in SQL.  That is the part being sub-contracted in this project.  The scope of this project involves reviewing all SQL and modifying any that deals with date values, in the manner that has often been discussed on this list:  

  Format(dateValue, "mm\/dd\/yyyy")

  All modifications of this type should then be tested to ensure proper functionality (primary reason I'm requesting someone outside US/Canada to work on this).

  Here are some specs on this app:

  Access97, FE/BE, distributed as Access97 runtime mde using Sagekey scripts.  SQL needs to be reviewed throughout, including saved queries, modules, form/report control sources.  The app contains these objects (though not all deal with dates):
  42 queries
  82 forms
  57 reports
  26 modules

  The development mdb will be ready (meaning all non-SQL-related mods have been completed) for you on or before Oct. 24, and this project needs to be completed by Nov. 14.  Project deliverables include the modified mdb (obviously), and a simple list of objects modified (example of list entries: "qryApptsList", "mdlSchedule.fctNextAppt", etc.)

  If you want additional information about this application, you can find it at www.farriersoftware.com .  You're also welcome to dowload a demo of the app from there (this requires filling out a form first - please put "AccessD" in the comments so we don't think you're a potential customer!)

  Please email me direct at backroad at idir.net if you're interested or have any questions.  Thank you!

  Best Regards,

  Julie Schwalm
  Backroads Data
  www.backroadsdata.com
  785-594-6807


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 20 12:01:41 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:01:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F122WtIIZS2TRq00000152@hotmail.com>

Jim,

How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
>   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord 
>and
>lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>Private Sub Form_Current()
>
>   Dim rst As Recordset
>
>   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
>
>   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
>   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
>     ' Nothing to do
>   Else
>       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
>       rst.Edit
>         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
>       rst.Update
>       Set rst = Nothing
>   End If
>
>   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
>   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
>
>   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
>   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
>
>
>End Sub
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
>ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with the
>control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
>fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this is
>in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
>UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether 
>or
>not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  Any
>thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like 
>the
> >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >John,
> >
> >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would
> >be
> >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a 
>requery
> >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
> >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example 
>using
> >bookmarks.
> >
> >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> >different
> >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row 
>colors.
> >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying
> >of
> >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> >current line number.  In my framework I use
> >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> >replaces the function?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
> >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row 
>that
> >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
> >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> >
> >Any Ideas?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
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From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie  Mon Oct 20 11:57:20 2003
From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:57:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFFAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000901c39670$1a58da00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><003701c39673$7242ed20$990c6351@martin1><013401c39678$d2d4a8e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
	<015601c3970d$ffce6030$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <006d01c3972c$07b407a0$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J>

Hello Martin,

I use Visual InterDev as my db tool, I find it great to generating sp's, I
can comment my sp's nicely

My favourite tool and the one I would never be without is what I call Visual
NotePad ++, which is actually plain ol' notepad,

It parses text, it is quick to load and I can print from it.

For the ASP stuff, I use FrontPage, but I am an ASP novice.

HTH,

Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey


> Hi all
>
> Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
> the web with Databases especially Access.
>
> FrontPage
> VS .NET
> Dreamweaver
> Notepad
>
> Etc
>
> Please reply of list
>
>
> Martin
> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 20 12:08:01 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:08:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web DB Development Tools was OT - Survey
In-Reply-To: <200310201624.h9KGOL619916@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031020120653.026c2ea0@pop3.highstream.net>

Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 and MX
Notepad

At 11:24 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:28 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey
>
>
>Hi all
>
>Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working on
>the web with Databases especially Access.
>
>FrontPage
>VS .NET
>Dreamweaver
>Notepad



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Oct 20 12:07:24 2003
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:07:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
In-Reply-To: <015601c3970d$ffce6030$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <002601c3972c$a1f50350$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

DreamWeaver UltraDev
VS .Net - Just getting started on this but excited with what I done
sofar.

Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey


Hi all

Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working
on the web with Databases especially Access.

FrontPage
VS .NET
Dreamweaver
Notepad

Etc

Please reply of list


Martin
mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 20 12:12:42 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:12:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Lightweight security
In-Reply-To: <200310201624.h9KGOL619916@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031020121127.026b3cf8@pop3.highstream.net>

John,

Unless you create a connection object called
CurrentConnection and open it when you open
the database.

Robert

At 11:24 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:16:15 -0400
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECHFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Thanks.  I guess that means A2K and up only.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 12:16:53 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:16:53 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298F24@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Arthur,

New Zealand used to have provinces but they have had no legal authority for many years, they are now used mainly to form the basis for parochial arguments on the sporting field and in the pub.

For the future, some of us who transplanted from the North Island to the South Island many years ago do see the benefits of an independent Southern nation.  Watch this space ...<g>

Stephen Bond



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 4:59 a.m.
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
> 
> 
> Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
> designation?
> 
> Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
> alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Oct 20 12:44:14 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:44:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F122WtIIZS2TRq00000152@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c39731$c73e0cb0$7001a8c0@COA3>

I am trying to construct a result set (proto-typing in A2k but want to
have a SQL2000 sp at the end, an answer for either is ok), from a user
form, where the user selects items from a list box.  These items are the
possible "right side" of a many-to-many.  I loop the list box, and
construct an IN clause, which works great to find a left-sider that had
ANY of the children, but my users need the result set to be "who had ALL
of these" (sort of a combined IN and AND).

Tia for any assistance,
Steve

For example, if there are classes in Word, Access, Excel, and the user
picked Access and Excel, which students took both, with tblStudent->
tblStudentClass <-tblClass.  The tblStudentClass record with both id's
just needs to exist, there is other criteria.






From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Oct 20 13:00:49 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:00:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
Message-ID: <183100-220031012018049857@christopherhawkins.com>

This sounds nice - I have built similar setups for multiple clients
in the past, starting fresh each time and never taking the time to
genericize it.  What a knucklehead.

Good to hear you're putting together something that is plug-and-play.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:27:28 -0400

>Folks,
>
>I am working on my Light Weight Security system and am looking for 
>beta
>testers, i.e. people who would like an interface level security 
>system such
>as I am designing.  This email will briefly outline how things work 
>so that
>you can decide whether you would like to test it.  I am looking for
>PROGRAMMERS as beta testers.  LWS is currently a "monitor" only 
>system, i.e.
>it doesn't directly affect the form or control, it only allows the 
>developer
>to ask questions like "should this user (belonging to this set of 
>groups) be
>allowed to open the form, see this control" etc.  Thus the developer 
>needs
>to be capable of writing code to query the classes and apply the 
>answer as
>(s)he sees fit.  I may, at a later date, add the ability to have LWS
>actually set the properties discussed below which would allow use 
>with less
>programming but for now that isn't in place.
>
>LWS is designed to restrict basic operations on forms and controls.  
>The
>form operations / properties that it will affect are Open form, Edit 
>record,
>Delete record and Add record.  The control properties affected are 
>Enabled,
>Locked, and Visible.
>
>LWS is NOT designed to replace Access' (or SQL Server's) security.  
>LWS is
>designed to allow the developer to restrict operations at the 
>INTERFACE
>level, i.e. who can open forms, who can edit records in a given 
>form, who
>can SEE a given control on a given form, who can EDIT data in a given
>control on a given form.  These are fundamentally different issues 
>than the
>built in DATA security that Access and SQL Server provide.  I 
>designed LWS
>because my clients asked for things like "only allow certain users 
>to be
>able to see (or use) this control" or "only allow certain users to 
>be able
>to open this form" etc.
>
>As an example I occasionally have controls that reassign child 
>records to
>parent records (change the parent).  This is a "Supervisor only" 
>operation
>and requires either going directly into tables, or building specific 
>forms
>if I don't have a system like LWS.  with LWS I can set the control 
>Invisible
>as the form opens unless the user belongs to the Supervisor (or
>Administrator) group.
>
>LWS is designed around a Users / Groups metaphor similar to Windows 
>NT/2K/XP
>etc.  Users exist but don't directly have any innate abilities.  
>Users
>belong to Groups.  Groups can do things.
>
>There are a set of tables that support the LWS system:
>
>uSysLWSUsers contains user information - Name, PEID (mapped to your
>Personnel ID if you desire) and password hash (MD5).
>usystblLWSGroup contains group information - Name and the 2^x bit 
>that is
>used for mapping it's abilities later.
>usystblLWSGroupUser contains mappings of users to groups.  A simple 
>m-m
>uSysLWSUsers and usystblLWSGroup.
>MsysForms contains form security information - Form ID, Form name, 
>Open,
>Edit, Add and Delete maps.
>MsysControls contains control security information - Form ID, 
>Control name,
>Enabled, Locked and Visible maps
>
>There are a handful of forms to support LWS:
>
>usysfrmLWSLogin - The login form.
>usysfrmLWSUsers - The form for setting up users.
>usysfrmLWSGroups - The form for setting up groups.
>usyssfrmLWSGroupUser - The form for mapping groups to users.
>usyssfrmLWSUserGroup - The form for mapping users to groups.
>usysfrmLWSSetupFrmSecurity - The form that assists the developer in 
>setting
>up form security
>
>LWS is NOT finished, but all of the basic tables are in place, I am 
>using
>the login in my apps, and the code to monitor forms is up and 
>functioning.
>The code to monitor controls follows the same form and will be 
>available
>within the next week or two.
>
>LWS will be a library (MDA for now) with full source code available 
>to beta
>testers.  Please remember, I am looking for "code jocks" for now.    
>You
>should be comfortable instantiating classes, calling class methods 
>and
>setting class properties, manipulating form and control attributes 
>via VB
>etc.
>
>I will ask for a NDA since ya never know...
>
>Beta testers will be given a single developer license to use the 
>finished
>product, which is more than MS gives you!
>
>I think this should give enough information to allow you to decide 
>whether
>you are interested.  If you are interested, please contact me OFF 
>LIST at
>LWS at colbyconsulting.com.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 13:10:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:10:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 'splain this thing to me - toolbars
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Something I've never understood - where is the information stored about what
tool bar should be open for what form?  It seems to be a form collection,
i.e. each form can have different toolbars open.  Right click on the menu
bar and you get a list of the available tool bars for that form.  Is this
collection available programmatically?

Next question, what determines whether (for example) the Form View tool bar
is available for a specific form?  IOW, on my switchboard, I can see and
turn on and off the form view menu with the form design tools etc.  From my
data entry forms that isn't available.

It's all very cornfusing to me.  I'd love to be able to add code to my
framework to disable all toolbars (not of my own design) whenever a form
controlled by the framework opens, even if they right click the menu bar
only my authorized tool bars exist.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 20 13:11:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273A1@main2.marlow.com>

Hmmmm, wouldn't a count greater then 1, from the 'students' end indicate
that?  Just going from your example.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children


I am trying to construct a result set (proto-typing in A2k but want to
have a SQL2000 sp at the end, an answer for either is ok), from a user
form, where the user selects items from a list box.  These items are the
possible "right side" of a many-to-many.  I loop the list box, and
construct an IN clause, which works great to find a left-sider that had
ANY of the children, but my users need the result set to be "who had ALL
of these" (sort of a combined IN and AND).

Tia for any assistance,
Steve

For example, if there are classes in Word, Access, Excel, and the user
picked Access and Excel, which students took both, with tblStudent->
tblStudentClass <-tblClass.  The tblStudentClass record with both id's
just needs to exist, there is other criteria.





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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 20 13:15:59 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:15:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F122WtIIZS2TRq00000152@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEHHHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

  Since it stores a bookmark, it must be a variant.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Jim,

How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
>   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord
>and
>lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>Private Sub Form_Current()
>
>   Dim rst As Recordset
>
>   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
>
>   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
>   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
>     ' Nothing to do
>   Else
>       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
>       rst.Edit
>         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
>       rst.Update
>       Set rst = Nothing
>   End If
>
>   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
>   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
>
>   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
>   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
>
>
>End Sub
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
>ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with the
>control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
>fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this is
>in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
>UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether
>or
>not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  Any
>thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like
>the
> >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >John,
> >
> >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both would
> >be
> >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a
>requery
> >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle as
> >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example
>using
> >bookmarks.
> >
> >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> >different
> >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row
>colors.
> >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for displaying
> >of
> >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> >current line number.  In my framework I use
> >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> >replaces the function?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous Form
> >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row
>that
> >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of every
> >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> >
> >Any Ideas?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 13:26:29 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:26:29 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298F24@server.bondsoftware.c o.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021072334.00b1e3b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

To add to what Stephen wrote, NZ just has Address Line1, Address Line2, 
Suburb, City, Post Code.  The post code is (usually) a 4 digit number 
(never more than 4 digits - sometimes less).

Some of us would even be happy if an earthquake cut off the Bombay Hills 
and sent it North to the Pacific Islands :)

David

At 21/10/2003, you wrote:
>Arthur,
>
>New Zealand used to have provinces but they have had no legal authority 
>for many years, they are now used mainly to form the basis for parochial 
>arguments on the sporting field and in the pub.
>
>For the future, some of us who transplanted from the North Island to the 
>South Island many years ago do see the benefits of an independent Southern 
>nation.  Watch this space ...<g>
>
>Stephen Bond
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 4:59 a.m.
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
> >
> >
> > Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
> > designation?
> >
> > Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
> > alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?
> >
> > TIA,
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From cclenright at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 13:32:39 2003
From: cclenright at yahoo.com (Chris Enright)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:32:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Question for Aussies and New Zealanders
In-Reply-To: <002701c39723$160cc110$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <20031020183239.32092.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com>

Arthur,
 
Australia has six self-governing states and two mainland territories. It also administers a number of island territories (Ashmore and Cartier Islands, Christmas Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Coral Sea Islands, Norfolk Island) as well as the Australian Antarctic Territory and the subantarctic Territory of Heard Island and McDonald Island. 

States

New South Wales - NSW

Queensland - QLD    (God's answer to Texas )

South Australia - SA

Tasmania - TAS

Victoria - VIC

Western Australia - WA

Territories 

Australian Capital Territory - ACT

Northern Territory - NT    (Home of Crocodile Dundee)



Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
Does your country have provinces, states or some other regional
designation?

Second, would someone kindly send me a list of same, along with their
alpha code and full name (i.e. NSW, New South Wales)?

TIA,
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 20 13:35:01 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:35:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Lightweight security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123B1@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It's CurrentProject that doesn't exist in Access 97 and you can't create
a substitute for that or for AccessObject, which also didn't exist in
that version.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Stewart [mailto:rl_stewart at highstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Lightweight security


John,

Unless you create a connection object called
CurrentConnection and open it when you open
the database.

Robert

At 11:24 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:16:15 -0400
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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>Thanks.  I guess that means A2K and up only.
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Oct 20 13:47:34 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:47:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273A1@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3973a$a04b1b80$7001a8c0@COA3>

Thanks, yeah, I got it ...
I had to group by/having count = <number of items selected in the list
box>.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children


Hmmmm, wouldn't a count greater then 1, from the 'students' end indicate
that?  Just going from your example.

Drew

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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children


I am trying to construct a result set (proto-typing in A2k but want to
have a SQL2000 sp at the end, an answer for either is ok), from a user
form, where the user selects items from a list box.  These items are the
possible "right side" of a many-to-many.  I loop the list box, and
construct an IN clause, which works great to find a left-sider that had
ANY of the children, but my users need the result set to be "who had ALL
of these" (sort of a combined IN and AND).

Tia for any assistance,
Steve

For example, if there are classes in Word, Access, Excel, and the user
picked Access and Excel, which students took both, with tblStudent->
tblStudentClass <-tblClass.  The tblStudentClass record with both id's
just needs to exist, there is other criteria.





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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 14:07:12 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:07:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lightweight security
In-Reply-To: <183100-220031012018049857@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEDCFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Good to hear you're putting together something that is plug-and-play.

Not exactly plug and play as of yet.  There are a handful of tables and
forms required, as well as a library.  Once all that stuff is in place it
will still require the developer understanding and using code to enable /
disable forms opening / edit / delete etc, and if desired at that level, the
same for controls on forms.  Or at the least understanding that LWS is
manipulating specific properties of forms and controls so that they
understand why a form's records can't be edited or can't be deleted etc. for
some users but not for others.

It really does work though.  I have code working that will allow / disallow
opening the database itself (modal login form), opening specific forms based
on user / group membership (LWSForm class), viewing controls on specific
forms based on user / group membership )LWSControl Class) etc.

In actual fact while it does require a class for each object modeled (user /
group / form / control) each class "knows" how to set itself up, apply it's
security  to it's object etc.  Doing it as a set of classes using tables to
hold the security info made it waaaay more straightforward than my old
method.

The nice thing is that once the "physicalness" of it is set up, i.e. the
user / group records created, the form's properties assigned to groups,
control's properties assigned to groups etc. it can be blended into a
framework such as mine with a minimum of effort.  A call as my framework
initializes loads the LWS system.  My form class has code that instantiates
a LWSForm class (if a SysVar says we are using LWS).  That class
instantiates all the LWScontrol classes, and voila, security down to the
control level - virtually with a single call in my framework's form class.

Since the LWSForm class is passed a pointer to the physical form, it can
directly manipulate the properties that it controls (edit/delete/addrec etc)
so that the form security is virtually automatic.  The only issue here is if
you use a toolbar (as I do) to toggle edit mode, it will have to check with
the LWSForm class to determine whether it can allow editing.

Likewise each control class gets a pointer to the control it is applying
security to, so it can also directly apply security to its control -
visible, locked, enabled.  This really is a no brainer, it just happens
according to the info in the LWS Control table.  If you belong to the right
group, you can see / edit / enter the control, else you can't.

At the FE / physical level, security is then manipulated using a wizard to
view / change the form / control security information in the tables.  BTW,
the wizard is NOT functioning yet in the new LWS.  I had that working in the
old LWS but the physical layer is entirely different and I will have to
build a new wizard for this version.  I have manually tested this stuff
though using crude debug window ORs to set the group info for forms and some
controls and it is working.

And the nice part is that if you embed this in a framework, even the most
determined power user is going to have a hard time disabling this stuff
without completely breaking the application.  Having it launched down at
this level makes it virtually impossible to get around.

For those without a framework it is still as simple as the following code in
a form:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
private fclsLWSForm As clsLWSForm

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    Set fclsLWSForm = New clsLWSForm
    fclsLWSForm.Init Nothing, Me
    Cancel = Not
fclsLWSForm.FrmOpenEnabled(gclsLWS.UserCls.UserGrpMembership)
    If Cancel Then
        If gclsLWS.cSysVars.SysVar("gLWSInformUser") Then
            MsgBox gclsLWS.cSysVars.SysVar("gLWSInformUserMsg") & " : " &
Me.Name, vbInformation + vbOKOnly, "LWS SECURITY AUTHORIZATION DENIED"
        End If
        Exit Sub
    End If
End Sub

The problem with just doing it here is that the How and Why (and that it is
happening) is visible right in the form, making it trivial for even basic
programmers to disable.  Put the same thing out in a framework MDA and the
cost to find and disable it goes up enormously.  Compile the framework and
it is locked down.

As you can see though, in the end it will still require programming skills
to use.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lightweight security


This sounds nice - I have built similar setups for multiple clients
in the past, starting fresh each time and never taking the time to
genericize it.  What a knucklehead.

Good to hear you're putting together something that is plug-and-play.

-Christopher-



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon Oct 20 14:21:54 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:21:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 'splain this thing to me - toolbars
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAECOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c3973f$6d103b60$6401a8c0@default>

John,

I guess you already know that you associate a
particular menu or toolbar with a form or report
by using the object's property sheet so that OnOpen
it will get the bar.

However, all of the bars are available in Commandbars,
which is how you access them programmatically.

The CommandBar itself stores it's binary information
in the registry under the following key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\
Office\9.0\Access\Settings\CommandBars

Some of the information you are seeking can
be found on the StartUp menu, which is accessed
using Application.GetOption / SetOption.

Michael R. Mattys
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: [AccessD] 'splain this thing to me - toolbars


> Something I've never understood - where is the information stored about
what
> tool bar should be open for what form?  It seems to be a form collection,
> i.e. each form can have different toolbars open.  Right click on the menu
> bar and you get a list of the available tool bars for that form.  Is this
> collection available programmatically?
>
> Next question, what determines whether (for example) the Form View tool
bar
> is available for a specific form?  IOW, on my switchboard, I can see and
> turn on and off the form view menu with the form design tools etc.  From
my
> data entry forms that isn't available.
>
> It's all very cornfusing to me.  I'd love to be able to add code to my
> framework to disable all toolbars (not of my own design) whenever a form
> controlled by the framework opens, even if they right click the menu bar
> only my authorized tool bars exist.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 20 15:02:35 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:02:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123AE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F943F5B.5040903@shaw.ca>

It could be a difference in references, Win XP comes with MDAC 2.7 ( ADO 
2.7)
I believe Access 2000 points to ADO 2.5  as default .
You can have a machine with multiple versions of MDAC installed for 
example if you install Access 2000 and Access XP, you will have ADO 2.5 
and ADO 2.7 installed so you are okay Your client with WinXP may not 
have ADO 2.5 installed and poof (that's a technical term).
I have about 5 versions of ADO to chose from on my machine including 2.8.

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>Oh, yeah.  If you use an MDE library, you have to upgrade that to match
>the front end.  We ran into that with our Redemption libarary when we
>moved to XP.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
>
>
>Do you use a library?  I had this issue and had to recompile BOTH the
>framework (library) and the FE and install new (recompiled) versions of
>both on the XP machines.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:09 PM
>To: AccessD (E-mail)
>Subject: [AccessD] A2K and AXP questions
>
>
>
>I have a mature A2K database, MDE format, that's been in use for about 1
>year with no problems. Recently, I was informed, by the client, that
>when it's opened in AXP, an error message occurs and it closes down. The
>error message states something about the database needs to be repaired
>and then shuts down. I tested it on a few machines in the office and my
>box at home. I could not duplicate the error the client received. The
>MDE opens as expected on the machines at the office using AXP. On my
>computer at home, I got an error message (I didn't' save the error
>message) and it shut down.  The MDB file gets an error message about a
>missing reference (msado15.dll, v2.7).  On my box at home I removed a
>reverence to XP Web, then both the MDE and MDB worked!
>
>When converted to XP, they work as expected.
>The code for both versions of the MDB - is the same!
>There wasn't any changes to the code that I could find and the
>references didn't change.
>
>Why is this happening?
>Why is the code the same, with no change in references, works in AXP
>version but not the A2K version?
>
>Just curious if anyone had any insight as to the reason this was
>occurring. I will be converting the database to XP and move on.
>
>TIA
>Jim
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 20 15:05:52 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:05:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Survey
References: <002601c3972c$a1f50350$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <3F944020.5000302@shaw.ca>

NotePad for ASP, maybe XMLSPY if using a lot of XML
WebMatrix with ASP.Net for Access

Doug Murphy wrote:

>DreamWeaver UltraDev
>VS .Net - Just getting started on this but excited with what I done
>sofar.
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:28 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Survey
>
>
>Hi all
>
>Would you mind letting me know which tools most of you use when working
>on the web with Databases especially Access.
>
>FrontPage
>VS .NET
>Dreamweaver
>Notepad
>
>Etc
>
>Please reply of list
>
>
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From jonsulli at swbell.net  Mon Oct 20 15:42:27 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:42:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBEFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F9448B2.3080708@swbell.net>

John and List,

Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.

In a previous position managing support personnel and as default 
application developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden" 
buttons on a form deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events 
called code that would set or unset properties as needed.

Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app 
compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in 
the foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on 
a user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was 
closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the 
way out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the 
conditions for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back 
in.  Not elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling 
questionable "requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords 
and disallowing the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires 
the developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the 
changes don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One 
could make the "Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not 
allowed to take that tactic.

I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of  
the stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add 
error handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this 
will give a demo of programatticly setting options using the 
Database.Properties method. This was a few years back but I remember  we 
used this in apps of both A97 and A2K.  I also remember having to add 
code to save the user's preferences before making changes and resetting 
those when closing the app for our Access "power" users (the ones who 
most frequently caused problems). 

Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy 
for it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it 
and make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint, 
hint).

John Sullivan

John Colby wrote:

>One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
>when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
>Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
>toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
>done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 20 16:02:02 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:02:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
Message-ID: <Sea2-F10T2maXnorDNi0002edd6@hotmail.com>

How about a subquery returning the left hand items for each of the list 
items in the list (5 items, 5 subqueries), all subqueries equal joined on 
the left hand column.  It would be easiest to generate a sql statement in 
code, looping through the items selected collection, adding a subquery for 
each item in the list.

Hen


>From: "Developer" <Developer at ultradnt.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Parents that have ALL Children
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:44:14 -0400
>
>I am trying to construct a result set (proto-typing in A2k but want to
>have a SQL2000 sp at the end, an answer for either is ok), from a user
>form, where the user selects items from a list box.  These items are the
>possible "right side" of a many-to-many.  I loop the list box, and
>construct an IN clause, which works great to find a left-sider that had
>ANY of the children, but my users need the result set to be "who had ALL
>of these" (sort of a combined IN and AND).
>
>Tia for any assistance,
>Steve
>
>For example, if there are classes in Word, Access, Excel, and the user
>picked Access and Excel, which students took both, with tblStudent->
>tblStudentClass <-tblClass.  The tblStudentClass record with both id's
>just needs to exist, there is other criteria.
>
>
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 20 16:02:28 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:02:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <3F9448B2.3080708@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEBKEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

I've done a similar thing with 2 transparent command buttons shrunk down to
very small and placed in the common form that I use for system information,
version, settings, contact info, etc. I put a small control tip so I know
when I'm over the spot and use the double click event to fire it.

They are basically a GUI backdoor which opens up or locks down access as
much as possible.

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
>
>
> John and List,
>
> Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.
>
> In a previous position managing support personnel and as default
> application developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden"
> buttons on a form deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events
> called code that would set or unset properties as needed.
>
> Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
> compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in
> the foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on
> a user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
> closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the
> way out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the
> conditions for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back
> in.  Not elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling
> questionable "requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords
> and disallowing the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires
> the developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the
> changes don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One
> could make the "Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not
> allowed to take that tactic.
>
> I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of
> the stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add
> error handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this
> will give a demo of programatticly setting options using the
> Database.Properties method. This was a few years back but I remember  we
> used this in apps of both A97 and A2K.  I also remember having to add
> code to save the user's preferences before making changes and resetting
> those when closing the app for our Access "power" users (the ones who
> most frequently caused problems).
>
> Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy
> for it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it
> and make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint,
> hint).
>
> John Sullivan
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars
> AUTOMATICALLY
> >when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
> >Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
> >toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
> >done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 16:50:54 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:50:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] bar codes
Message-ID: <004101c39755$026bcf20$220110ac@SUSANONE>

http://www.asp101.com/resources/visitors/index.asp#barcode

=======Seems like this subject comes up once every few months -- hope
someone finds this helpful.

Susan H.


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 19:12:55 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:12:55 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <000d01c38230$9c9e7fa0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGIEILCMAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021131008.00b1b0b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
>David/Steve
>
>  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as they're PnP 
> compliant ...its
>best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll drive you nuts trying
>to tweak reports to match every printer variable.

Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  Is this likely to 
be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for 
'newish' printers?


Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 19:39:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:39:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting site
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDPFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.processimpact.com/goodies.shtml

It has a few document templates that may be applicable.  A lot of this seems
to be aimed at large contract stuff but it never hurts to read it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 20 19:56:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:56:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <3F9448B2.3080708@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

John,

I wrote a tool called C2DbProperties which allows a developer to perform
this task externally, i.e. it is a wizard that you open which allows you to
find a db on the disk and apply these properties on that db.

This is not what I am talking about however.  I am referring to the toolbars
that you can see at the top of forms, such as the Form view, clip board, web
etc., if you right click on the menu bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John and List,

Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.

In a previous position managing support personnel and as default
application developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden"
buttons on a form deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events
called code that would set or unset properties as needed.

Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in
the foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on
a user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the
way out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the
conditions for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back
in.  Not elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling
questionable "requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords
and disallowing the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires
the developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the
changes don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One
could make the "Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not
allowed to take that tactic.

I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of
the stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add
error handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this
will give a demo of programatticly setting options using the
Database.Properties method. This was a few years back but I remember  we
used this in apps of both A97 and A2K.  I also remember having to add
code to save the user's preferences before making changes and resetting
those when closing the app for our Access "power" users (the ones who
most frequently caused problems).

Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy
for it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it
and make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint,
hint).

John Sullivan

John Colby wrote:

>One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars AUTOMATICALLY
>when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
>Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
>toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
>done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 20:11:21 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:11:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGIEILCMAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031021131008.00b1b0b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <012901c39770$3d2f7ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
...Plug 'n Play :))))

...the point being that you were concerned that the users not have to do
anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically without them
having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer from the major
manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be safe with any
major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project


> At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> >David/Steve
> >
> >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as they're PnP
> > compliant ...its
> >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll drive you nuts
trying
> >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
>
> Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  Is this likely
to
> be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> 'newish' printers?
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> DALYN Software Ltd
> 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon Oct 20 20:33:49 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:33:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEEAFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <012101c39773$613c4980$6401a8c0@default>

John,

How is it going with this?

Did you click customize and show the
toolbar called Shortcut Menus?

See the one called "Custom" where you
add your own context menus?

Did you try Commandbars("Menu Bar").Enabled = False?

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


> John,
>
> I wrote a tool called C2DbProperties which allows a developer to perform
> this task externally, i.e. it is a wizard that you open which allows you
to
> find a db on the disk and apply these properties on that db.
>
> This is not what I am talking about however.  I am referring to the
toolbars
> that you can see at the top of forms, such as the Form view, clip board,
web
> etc., if you right click on the menu bar.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
>
>
> John and List,
>
> Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.
>
> In a previous position managing support personnel and as default
> application developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden"
> buttons on a form deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events
> called code that would set or unset properties as needed.
>
> Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
> compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in
> the foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on
> a user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
> closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the
> way out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the
> conditions for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back
> in.  Not elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling
> questionable "requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords
> and disallowing the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires
> the developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the
> changes don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One
> could make the "Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not
> allowed to take that tactic.
>
> I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of
> the stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add
> error handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this
> will give a demo of programatticly setting options using the
> Database.Properties method. This was a few years back but I remember  we
> used this in apps of both A97 and A2K.  I also remember having to add
> code to save the user's preferences before making changes and resetting
> those when closing the app for our Access "power" users (the ones who
> most frequently caused problems).
>
> Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy
> for it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it
> and make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint,
> hint).
>
> John Sullivan
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars
AUTOMATICALLY
> >when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could use my
> >Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
> >toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
> >done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 20:45:38 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:45:38 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <012901c39770$3d2f7ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGIEILCMAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20031021131008.00b1b0b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021144237.00b1b550@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Not sure if I should be offended or not - New Zealand happens to share the 
same waters as the Aussies but we are a different country!

The users would already have their own printers so at least this will not 
be an issue!  (It was a bit tongue in cheek about users abilities but I 
think we all know what I mean).

David


At 20/10/2003, you wrote:
>...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
>...Plug 'n Play :))))
>
>...the point being that you were concerned that the users not have to do
>anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
>printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically without them
>having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer from the major
>manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be safe with any
>major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
>
>William Hindman
>So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
>his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
>to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
>make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
>-- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
>
>
> > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > >David/Steve
> > >
> > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as they're PnP
> > > compliant ...its
> > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll drive you nuts
>trying
> > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> >
> > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  Is this likely
>to
> > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> > 'newish' printers?
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > DALYN Software Ltd
> > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 20:47:10 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:47:10 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <012901c39770$3d2f7ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <004c01c39775$3f5ec890$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>



> -----Original Message-----
> ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> ...Plug 'n Play :))))
>
> ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> have to do
> anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> without them
> having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> from the major
> manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> safe with any
> major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)

If only....

If it is a one printer to 1 pc deal then yes it should be straight forward...
But generally manufacturers like to tweak their drivers and release new models
which windows doesn't recognise, etc.  So if they buy a new printer and plug it
into their PC they are likely to get a message stating that windows has found a
new device and needs to install drivers.  In my experience the average
non-technical user then stares blankly at the screen wondering what to do next.

If it is a small office and the printer is shared, then you need to worry about
it is peer-to-peer or domain, has it been shared/configured for network use.  On
win2k and up PCs are nicer in that they will share drivers, so if it is
successfully installed on 1 PC you can add the printer on to another PC and it
will grab the drivers from the first PC.  But even then, the average user (in my
experience) will need help mapping the printer onto a new PC.

Plug and play ... Hah!

Stuart




From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 20:17:40 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:17:40 +1300
Subject: OT: [AccessD] Web based Project
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Yo, William, treading on dangerous ground there, bro'.  David might be a North Islander but to call a NZer an 'Aussie' ... the unkindest cut of all!  (This ought to start something <g> ...  like a trans-Tasman war <vbg>)

Stephen Bond


> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:11 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> 
> 
> ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> 
> ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not 
> have to do
> anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically 
> without them
> having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer 
> from the major
> manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be 
> safe with any
> major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> 
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless 
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to 
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision 
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> 
> 
> > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > >David/Steve
> > >
> > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as 
> they're PnP
> > > compliant ...its
> > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll 
> drive you nuts
> trying
> > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> >
> > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  
> Is this likely
> to
> > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> > 'newish' printers?
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > DALYN Software Ltd
> > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Oct 20 20:51:42 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:21:42 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A45A@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Thank god we produce the best musicians in Australia..   Crowded House, etc,
etc,

;=)

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: OT: [AccessD] Web based Project


Yo, William, treading on dangerous ground there, bro'.  David might be a
North Islander but to call a NZer an 'Aussie' ... the unkindest cut of all!
(This ought to start something <g> ...  like a trans-Tasman war <vbg>)

Stephen Bond


> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:11 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> 
> 
> ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> 
> ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not 
> have to do
> anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically 
> without them
> having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer 
> from the major
> manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be 
> safe with any
> major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> 
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless 
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to 
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision 
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> 
> 
> > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > >David/Steve
> > >
> > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as 
> they're PnP
> > > compliant ...its
> > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll 
> drive you nuts
> trying
> > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> >
> > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  
> Is this likely
> to
> > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> > 'newish' printers?
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > DALYN Software Ltd
> > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 20:58:23 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:58:23 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <004e01c39776$d027cbf0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Reminds me heavily of the Canadian/US thing...

How to insult a Canadian ... Call him an American

How to insult a Kiwi ... Call him an Aussie

Quite easy to make the mistake here in an international city like Hong Kong at
first.  After a while you either don't care (which some don't) or are a little
more careful what you say :)

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stephen Bond
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 9:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: OT: [AccessD] Web based Project
>
>
> Yo, William, treading on dangerous ground there, bro'.  David
> might be a North Islander but to call a NZer an 'Aussie' ...
> the unkindest cut of all!  (This ought to start something <g>
> ...  like a trans-Tasman war <vbg>)
>
> Stephen Bond
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:11 p.m.
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented
> Microsoftese! ...PnP
> > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> >
> > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> > have to do
> > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as
> long as the
> > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> > without them
> > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> > from the major
> > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> > safe with any
> > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > > >David/Steve
> > > >
> > > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as
> > they're PnP
> > > > compliant ...its
> > > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll
> > drive you nuts
> > trying
> > > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> > >
> > > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.
> > Is this likely
> > to
> > > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a
> problem for
> > > 'newish' printers?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > DALYN Software Ltd
> > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 21:17:25 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:17:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <004c01c39775$3f5ec890$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <014701c39779$7820d340$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...got to admit that I'm thinking of XP here Stu which plays PnP very, very
nicely ...certainly can't say the same of Win9X or NT systems :(

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project


>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> >
> > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> > have to do
> > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> > without them
> > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> > from the major
> > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> > safe with any
> > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
>
> If only....
>
> If it is a one printer to 1 pc deal then yes it should be straight
forward...
> But generally manufacturers like to tweak their drivers and release new
models
> which windows doesn't recognise, etc.  So if they buy a new printer and
plug it
> into their PC they are likely to get a message stating that windows has
found a
> new device and needs to install drivers.  In my experience the average
> non-technical user then stares blankly at the screen wondering what to do
next.
>
> If it is a small office and the printer is shared, then you need to worry
about
> it is peer-to-peer or domain, has it been shared/configured for network
use.  On
> win2k and up PCs are nicer in that they will share drivers, so if it is
> successfully installed on 1 PC you can add the printer on to another PC
and it
> will grab the drivers from the first PC.  But even then, the average user
(in my
> experience) will need help mapping the printer onto a new PC.
>
> Plug and play ... Hah!
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 21:26:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:26:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGIEILCMAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031021131008.00b1b0b8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031021144237.00b1b550@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <015901c3977a$c49f3bc0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...my mistake! ...I do seem to recall you kiwis being a mite touchy
on the subject the little time I spent in Christchurch :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project


> Not sure if I should be offended or not - New Zealand happens to share the
> same waters as the Aussies but we are a different country!
>
> The users would already have their own printers so at least this will not
> be an issue!  (It was a bit tongue in cheek about users abilities but I
> think we all know what I mean).
>
> David
>
>
> At 20/10/2003, you wrote:
> >...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
> >...Plug 'n Play :))))
> >
> >...the point being that you were concerned that the users not have to do
> >anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
> >printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically without them
> >having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer from the major
> >manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be safe with any
> >major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> >
> >William Hindman
> >So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his
birth,
> >his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to
work,
> >to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine
to
> >make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> >-- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
> > > >David/Steve
> > > >
> > > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as they're PnP
> > > > compliant ...its
> > > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll drive you nuts
> >trying
> > > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
> > >
> > > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  Is this
likely
> >to
> > > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
> > > 'newish' printers?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > DALYN Software Ltd
> > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 20 21:36:54 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:36:54 +1000
Subject: OT [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001f01c3977c$311c4120$6501a8c0@user>

Stephen - I thought it was a compliment! (vbg)
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stephen Bond 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:17 AM
  Subject: OT: [AccessD] Web based Project


  Yo, William, treading on dangerous ground there, bro'.  David might be a North Islander but to call a NZer an 'Aussie' ... the unkindest cut of all!  (This ought to start something <g> ...  like a trans-Tasman war <vbg>)

  Stephen Bond


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
  > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:11 p.m.
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
  > 
  > 
  > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented Microsoftese! ...PnP
  > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
  > 
  > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not 
  > have to do
  > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as long as the
  > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically 
  > without them
  > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer 
  > from the major
  > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be 
  > safe with any
  > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
  > 
  > William Hindman
  > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless 
  > of his birth,
  > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to 
  > live, to work,
  > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision 
  > can combine to
  > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
  > -- Thomas Wolfe
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:12 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
  > 
  > 
  > > At 23/09/2003, William wrote in relation to Citrix:
  > > >David/Steve
  > > >
  > > >  ...client printers are very easy to connect as long as 
  > they're PnP
  > > > compliant ...its
  > > >best if you spec a standard printer though or they'll 
  > drive you nuts
  > trying
  > > >to tweak reports to match every printer variable.
  > >
  > > Can someone please let me know what PnP compliant means.  
  > Is this likely
  > to
  > > be a major issue, or is it something that will not be a problem for
  > > 'newish' printers?
  > >
  > >
  > > Regards
  > >
  > > David Emerson
  > > DALYN Software Ltd
  > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
  > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
  > >
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > AccessD mailing list
  > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
  > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
  > >
  > 
  > 
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  > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 22:07:32 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:07:32 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <014701c39779$7820d340$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <005001c39780$78922e80$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Yes it is much nicer... I've still had the odd issue when people try to hook up
old printers, not sure about the very latest printers ...  still might require
user intervention.

Not sure what is common elsewhere, but here small businesses often hook up
budget equipment... ie stuff from Taiwain or China that doesn't come with
drivers prebuilt into windows.  Hunting for the latest drivers off chinese
websites isn't the most fun thing I've ever done.

Stuart


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
>
>
> ...got to admit that I'm thinking of XP here Stu which plays
> PnP very, very
> nicely ...certainly can't say the same of Win9X or NT systems :(
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project
>
>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented
> Microsoftese! ...PnP
> > > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> > >
> > > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> > > have to do
> > > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as
> long as the
> > > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> > > without them
> > > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> > > from the major
> > > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> > > safe with any
> > > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> >
> > If only....
> >
> > If it is a one printer to 1 pc deal then yes it should be straight
> forward...
> > But generally manufacturers like to tweak their drivers and
> release new
> models
> > which windows doesn't recognise, etc.  So if they buy a new
> printer and
> plug it
> > into their PC they are likely to get a message stating that
> windows has
> found a
> > new device and needs to install drivers.  In my experience
> the average
> > non-technical user then stares blankly at the screen
> wondering what to do
> next.
> >
> > If it is a small office and the printer is shared, then you
> need to worry
> about
> > it is peer-to-peer or domain, has it been shared/configured
> for network
> use.  On
> > win2k and up PCs are nicer in that they will share drivers,
> so if it is
> > successfully installed on 1 PC you can add the printer on
> to another PC
> and it
> > will grab the drivers from the first PC.  But even then,
> the average user
> (in my
> > experience) will need help mapping the printer onto a new PC.
> >
> > Plug and play ... Hah!
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 20 22:09:17 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:09:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <004e01c39776$d027cbf0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3F952FFD.27187.13B00F@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 9:58, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> Reminds me heavily of the Canadian/US thing...
> 
> How to insult a Canadian ... Call him an American
> 
> How to insult a Kiwi ... Call him an Aussie
> 

Or the classic saying.

I support two teams, New Zealand and whoever is playing against 
Australia :-)

Stuart
(Kiwi in exile)



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 22:26:38 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:26:38 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
In-Reply-To: <005001c39780$78922e80$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuVkhn4A@pacific.net.hk>


Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import into a clean database.

I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull everything out of except
the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for system tools, link
checking etc.  

Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.

Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.

Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB

Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported everything out of the
14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile. Compact. 1.1 MB

14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB

This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on their cleaning utils.

Stuart

From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 22:42:08 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:42:08 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <3F952FFD.27187.13B00F@localhost>
References: <004e01c39776$d027cbf0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
 <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884AD@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021164029.00b1b0e8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

And to round this off for tonight -

Send a New Zealander to Australia and increase the average IQ in both 
countries.

At 21/10/2003, Stuart McLachlan  wrote:

>Or the classic saying.
>
>I support two teams, New Zealand and whoever is playing against
>Australia :-)
>
>Stuart
>(Kiwi in exile)

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 22:41:55 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:41:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <005001c39780$78922e80$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <017901c39785$45e7a780$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

....on XP things like HP lasers and desk jets just install with a quick
message flash that requires no intervention and most users don't even notice
...you can plug one in live and it will pick it up and install the drivers
without a reboot in most cases ...MS finally got PnP figured out after about
three time around the block :)

...that of course assumes that the manufacturer paid attention to the MS PnP
and Printer API specs ...which in your part of the world can be assuming a
lot :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project


> Yes it is much nicer... I've still had the odd issue when people try to
hook up
> old printers, not sure about the very latest printers ...  still might
require
> user intervention.
>
> Not sure what is common elsewhere, but here small businesses often hook up
> budget equipment... ie stuff from Taiwain or China that doesn't come with
> drivers prebuilt into windows.  Hunting for the latest drivers off chinese
> websites isn't the most fun thing I've ever done.
>
> Stuart
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 10:17 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > ...got to admit that I'm thinking of XP here Stu which plays
> > PnP very, very
> > nicely ...certainly can't say the same of Win9X or NT systems :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:47 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Web based Project
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > ...lol ...thought all you Aussies spoke accented
> > Microsoftese! ...PnP
> > > > ...Plug 'n Play :))))
> > > >
> > > > ...the point being that you were concerned that the users not
> > > > have to do
> > > > anything technical or difficult to run your program ...as
> > long as the
> > > > printer is MS PnP compatible, it will install automatically
> > > > without them
> > > > having to do anything themselves ...and yes, every printer
> > > > from the major
> > > > manufacturers now comes PnP compliant ...I'd guess you'd be
> > > > safe with any
> > > > major brand printer less than three years old ...HTH :)
> > >
> > > If only....
> > >
> > > If it is a one printer to 1 pc deal then yes it should be straight
> > forward...
> > > But generally manufacturers like to tweak their drivers and
> > release new
> > models
> > > which windows doesn't recognise, etc.  So if they buy a new
> > printer and
> > plug it
> > > into their PC they are likely to get a message stating that
> > windows has
> > found a
> > > new device and needs to install drivers.  In my experience
> > the average
> > > non-technical user then stares blankly at the screen
> > wondering what to do
> > next.
> > >
> > > If it is a small office and the printer is shared, then you
> > need to worry
> > about
> > > it is peer-to-peer or domain, has it been shared/configured
> > for network
> > use.  On
> > > win2k and up PCs are nicer in that they will share drivers,
> > so if it is
> > > successfully installed on 1 PC you can add the printer on
> > to another PC
> > and it
> > > will grab the drivers from the first PC.  But even then,
> > the average user
> > (in my
> > > experience) will need help mapping the printer onto a new PC.
> > >
> > > Plug and play ... Hah!
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 20 22:47:18 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:47:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
References: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuVkhn4A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <018b01c39786$066cc7b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

KB 810415

...there is a long standing bug in AXP that compile fails to get rid of
bloat if you use the A2002 file format ...MS hasn't fixed it in their
service packs even though they have a KB on it and importing into a new mdb,
although a pita, is the only way to get rid of the bloat ...OR change to
using the A2000 file format which does not have the bloat problem ...HTH :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:26 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile


>
> Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import into a clean
database.
>
> I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull everything out of
except
> the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for system tools,
link
> checking etc.
>
> Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.
>
> Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.
>
> Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB
>
> Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported everything out
of the
> 14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile. Compact. 1.1 MB
>
> 14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB
>
> This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on their cleaning
utils.
>
> Stuart
>


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 20 22:56:58 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:56:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <4871529.1066698255670.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000601c39787$635c0520$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

This some of the code from my Startup form.  Is this something like what
you're looking for?

    If AdminPerson = False Then
        '-- Setting for users
        SetOption "Show Hidden Objects", False
        SetOption "Show System Objects", False
        DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
	  SetOption "Show Status Bar", True
    Else
        '-- Settings for Admin people
        CurrentDb.Properties!AppTitle = "QMS - " & GstgCompanyName
        Application.RefreshTitleBar
        SetOption "Show Hidden Objects", True
        SetOption "Show System Objects", True
        DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes
        SetOption "Show Status Bar", False
    End If

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John,

I wrote a tool called C2DbProperties which allows a developer to perform
this task externally, i.e. it is a wizard that you open which allows you to
find a db on the disk and apply these properties on that db.

This is not what I am talking about however.  I am referring to the toolbars
that you can see at the top of forms, such as the Form view, clip board, web
etc., if you right click on the menu bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John and List,

Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.

In a previous position managing support personnel and as default application
developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden" buttons on a form
deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events called code that
would set or unset properties as needed.

Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in the
foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on a
user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the way
out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the conditions
for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back in.  Not
elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling questionable
"requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords and disallowing
the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires the
developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the changes
don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One could make the
"Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not allowed to take that
tactic.

I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of the
stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add error
handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this will give a
demo of programatticly setting options using the Database.Properties method.
This was a few years back but I remember  we used this in apps of both A97
and A2K.  I also remember having to add code to save the user's preferences
before making changes and resetting those when closing the app for our
Access "power" users (the ones who most frequently caused problems).

Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy for
it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it and
make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint, hint).

John Sullivan

John Colby wrote:

>One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars 
>AUTOMATICALLY when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could 
>use my
>Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
>toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
>done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 20 22:56:58 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:56:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
In-Reply-To: <30629614.1066707087645.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000701c39787$66877b80$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Stuart,

There is a bug in AXP that prevents decompiling unless you have the Database
File Format set to A2K.  This could have been your issue.

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile



Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import into a clean
database.

I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull everything out of
except the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for system
tools, link checking etc.  

Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.

Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.

Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB

Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported everything out of
the 14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile. Compact. 1.1 MB

14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB

This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on their cleaning
utils.

Stuart



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Oct 20 23:16:23 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:16:23 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
In-Reply-To: <018b01c39786$066cc7b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <005f01c3978a$173d24f0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Yeah this seems to be the issue.

For the most part my dbs are in Acc2000 format.  Except this one and it isn't
small, so it never really hit me until I tried cutting out 95% of it and
compacting.

I've had issues with AXP crashing on couple of forms that A2K doesn't blink at,
and haven't figured why ... Nor looked that hard when staying in A2K format
fixed it.  Might also be related if AXP is leaving so much crap behind.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 11:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
>
>
> KB 810415
>
> ...there is a long standing bug in AXP that compile fails to
> get rid of
> bloat if you use the A2002 file format ...MS hasn't fixed it in their
> service packs even though they have a KB on it and importing
> into a new mdb,
> although a pita, is the only way to get rid of the bloat
> ...OR change to
> using the A2000 file format which does not have the bloat
> problem ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> of his birth,
> his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> live, to work,
> to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> can combine to
> make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> -- Thomas Wolfe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:26 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
>
>
> >
> > Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import
> into a clean
> database.
> >
> > I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull
> everything out of
> except
> > the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for
> system tools,
> link
> > checking etc.
> >
> > Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.
> >
> > Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.
> >
> > Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB
> >
> > Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported
> everything out
> of the
> > 14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile.
> Compact. 1.1 MB
> >
> > 14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB
> >
> > This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on
> their cleaning
> utils.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 00:54:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:54:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
References: <005f01c3978a$173d24f0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <01b101c39797$d7a163c0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...yeah, besides the cretinous "help" system, its the only real fault I've
found with XP which is why I migrated everything to it but still use the A2K
file format ...simply unbelievable that MS hasn't fixed such a major bug :)

William Hindman
So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless of his birth,
his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to live, to work,
to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision can combine to
make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
-- Thomas Wolfe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:16 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact/decompile


> Yeah this seems to be the issue.
>
> For the most part my dbs are in Acc2000 format.  Except this one and it
isn't
> small, so it never really hit me until I tried cutting out 95% of it and
> compacting.
>
> I've had issues with AXP crashing on couple of forms that A2K doesn't
blink at,
> and haven't figured why ... Nor looked that hard when staying in A2K
format
> fixed it.  Might also be related if AXP is leaving so much crap behind.
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 11:47 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
> >
> >
> > KB 810415
> >
> > ...there is a long standing bug in AXP that compile fails to
> > get rid of
> > bloat if you use the A2002 file format ...MS hasn't fixed it in their
> > service packs even though they have a KB on it and importing
> > into a new mdb,
> > although a pita, is the only way to get rid of the bloat
> > ...OR change to
> > using the A2000 file format which does not have the bloat
> > problem ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > So, then, to every man his chance -- to every man, regardless
> > of his birth,
> > his shining golden opportunity -- to every man his right to
> > live, to work,
> > to be himself, to become whatever his manhood and his vision
> > can combine to
> > make him -- this, seeker, is the promise of America.
> > -- Thomas Wolfe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:26 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Compact/decompile
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Just goes to show that sometimes you just have to import
> > into a clean
> > database.
> > >
> > > I had a fairly mature database that I wanted to cull
> > everything out of
> > except
> > > the table links and a few forms/tables/queries/modules for
> > system tools,
> > link
> > > checking etc.
> > >
> > > Deleted everything and the sink ecept for the few things I wanted.
> > >
> > > Compacted ... 14.6 MB .  Hmmm should be smaller than that.
> > >
> > > Decompile. Exit. Reload. Compact.  14.1 MB
> > >
> > > Tried a few more things.  In the end gave up and imported
> > everything out
> > of the
> > > 14.1 MB bloat and into a new mdb.  Reset links. Compile.
> > Compact. 1.1 MB
> > >
> > > 14.1 MB -> 1.1 MB
> > >
> > > This is in access XP.  I think they still need to work on
> > their cleaning
> > utils.
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> >
> >
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 03:52:58 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:52:58 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OF7FBEA736.520266FF-ONC1256DC6.00309ABA@achmea.nl>

Jim,

Thanks, for your info.

0. I will take a look at that
1. Is it possible to make an exception for 1 file then?  I will look at
this to
2. already done
3. already done with the code posted earlier in this group. This has to be
done in de BE and for local tables in the FE.
4. always een MDE
5. this is where I am working on.

Gr. marcel




  Before moving to anything else, I'd try and squeeze some more performance
out of what you have.  One of the big things you can do is to keep a
reference to the BE open at all times while the app is open. Some other
things:

0. For Windows servers, make sure OPLOCKS are turned off (see MSKB).
1. Make sure the MDB is not being virus scanned on the sever or client
(some
are set to "scan on open").
2. Turn off Name Auto Correct.
3. Turn off sub data sheets.
4. Make sure your MDB is compiled and stays that way (alternatively
distribute the FE as a MDE).
5. Limit forms to a subset of the data.  i.e. limit the recordset to a
single record.  Don't bind forms to an entire table.

  The first few are easy (along with the reference thing mentioned above)
and should yield a healthy boost in performance.  Beyond that, moving to a
true client/server setup to limit data on the network is the way to go.
But
you can get some good results by doing #5 above.

 BTW for JET based solutions, DAO is as fast as you can get.  Moving to ADO
only will actually slow things down.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:

80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 03:53:42 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:53:42 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] mdb speed
Message-ID: <OFF38E65D0.36BEA7C7-ONC1256DC6.0030D196@achmea.nl>

John,

Yes, it improves the performance a lot. I also run this code in the FE for
local tables.

Gr. marcel




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I assume this has to be inserted into a module in the BE and run with the
BE
open?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mdb speed


I deleted the message from marcel(?) too fast - but Marcel here is some
code
previously posted to the list to turn off all subdatasheets in your tables,
ie. to set the name of the subdatasheet name to "None".
(Sorry - can't credit original author...)

Marcel - there have been some really good posts to the list on speed and
performance issues - maybe a search for 'speed' in the archives would be of
some help to you?

Kath

Function TurnOffSubDataSheets()
  Dim MyDB As DAO.Database
  Dim MyProperty As DAO.Property

  Dim propName As String
  Dim PropType As Integer
  Dim propVal As String

  Dim strS As String

  Set MyDB = CurrentDb

  propName = "SubDataSheetName"
  PropType = 10
  propVal = "[NONE]"

  On Error Resume Next

  For I = 0 To MyDB.TableDefs.Count - 1

     If (MyDB.TableDefs(I).Attributes And dbSystemObject) = 0 Then

        If MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value <> propVal Then
           MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties(propName).Value = propVal
           intChangedTables = intChangedTables + 1
        End If

        If Err.Number = 3270 Then
           Set MyProperty = MyDB.TableDefs(I).CreateProperty(propName)
           MyProperty.Type = PropType
           MyProperty.Value = propVal
           MyDB.TableDefs(I).Properties.Append MyProperty
        Else
           If Err.Number <> 0 Then
              MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " on Table " _
              & MyDB.TableDefs(I).Name & "."
              MyDB.Close
              Exit Function
           End If
        End If

     End If
  Next I

MsgBox "The " & propName & _
" value for all non-system tables has been updated to " & propVal & "."

MyDB.Close

End Function




Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 03:55:54 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:55:54 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OFBA83E9A6.9843BADB-ONC1256DC6.0030E719@achmea.nl>

Drew,

Okay i will leave it to DAO. it is too much, no paying :-), work.

Thnx, marcel







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Okay, a few things.  First, ADO is NOT faster then DAO. But the speed
difference probably wouldn't be noticable.  Next, why are you closing all
connections at the end of your procedures.  In reality, if things seem
slow,
keeping a constant 'global' conneciton will speed things up, over reopening
the same connection again and again.

Along those lines, if you have bound forms, there is a method to force the
BE link to remain open.  Create a table in the BE, then create a bound form
to that table (linked in the FE).  On the startup of your apps, open that
form hidden, and keep it open.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE and
BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
Expecially on a network envirnement.
I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:

80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1


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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
Move last, move first.
EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 04:06:31 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:06:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <OF64E7453D.804E89D0-ONC1256DC6.00312AC0@achmea.nl>

Dear group,

Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
connection open shows the following figure.

10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
     Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
     Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds

100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
     Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
     Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds


In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections after
use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those database
connections open at a certain time the database gives memory errors. But
reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
currently use is

   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
      Dim db as dao.databse
      Dim rs as dao.recordset

      set db = currentdb()

      > the works>

      db.close
      rs.close
      set db = nothing
      set rs= nothing
   end function


So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to dim
the db as global-public variable and use this in each function???????? so
in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???

Gr. marcel







"Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
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Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement
in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
 distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
 and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
 performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
 with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1



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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move
first. EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Oct 21 04:09:15 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:09:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting site
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C00F978E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thank You John for the tip...

With these doc's I'm gonna be a real pro now :-)

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http://www.processimpact.com/goodies.shtml

It has a few document templates that may be applicable.  A lot of this
seems to be aimed at large contract stuff but it never hurts to read it.

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Oct 21 04:39:22 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:09:22 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46B@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.

There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening connections
that I'm aware of.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Dear group,

Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
connection open shows the following figure.

10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
     Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
     Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds

100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
     Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
     Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds


In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections after
use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those database
connections open at a certain time the database gives memory errors. But
reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
currently use is

   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
      Dim db as dao.databse
      Dim rs as dao.recordset

      set db = currentdb()

      > the works>

      db.close
      rs.close
      set db = nothing
      set rs= nothing
   end function


So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to dim
the db as global-public variable and use this in each function???????? so
in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???

Gr. marcel







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Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement
in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
 distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
 and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
 performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
 with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.


Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1



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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move
first. EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 05:00:53 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:00:53 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <OF52068BDA.632970D7-ONC1256DC6.0036D25E@achmea.nl>

Andrew,

I noticed:-). I've got some work to do........
Just a question. Can I declare the DB and current db globaly in a module or
do I have to declare it in every class/module seperate?

Thanks, marcel




"Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>@databaseadvisors.com op
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I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.

There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening connections
that I'm aware of.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Dear group,

Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
connection open shows the following figure.

10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
    Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
    Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds

100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
    Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
    Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds


In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections after
use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those database
connections open at a certain time the database gives memory errors. But
reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
currently use is

   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
     Dim db as dao.databse
     Dim rs as dao.recordset

     set db = currentdb()

     > the works>

     db.close
     rs.close
     set db = nothing
     set rs= nothing
   end function


So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to dim
the db as global-public variable and use this in each function???????? so
in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???

Gr. marcel







"Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
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Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement
in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Dear group,

It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
you the following.

I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
 distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
 and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
 performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
 - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
 with only the data wich is used
- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
of module.
-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
do not know if i want to do this.

But this all did not improved much.

I am thinking about the following
- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
something
- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
form. If I do this does this improve performance
- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
the won?t be happy.
Any suggestions, ideas??
I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
tricks in this.

Thansk marcel





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John - This article may be of benefit
Dave

PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:

80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1



----- Original Message -----
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To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount


I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move
first. EOF and BOF are both false.

Recordcount = -1

What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 05:03:36 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:03:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <OF64E7453D.804E89D0-ONC1256DC6.00312AC0@achmea.nl>
References: <OF64E7453D.804E89D0-ONC1256DC6.00312AC0@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <15212473976.20031021120336@cactus.dk>

Hi Marcel

Thank you.

What would the figures bee for not keeping the connection open?
I'm not sure that would add much to the figures even for the 10 Mb
network ...

/gustav


> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.

> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds

> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 05:05:49 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:05:49 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46B@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <000001c397ba$e7d038c0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each table to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
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>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
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>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Oct 21 06:12:36 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:12:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBC8@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a linked table at
close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for refreshing the link
but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help. (I am linking
to BE SQL db)

Many thanks

Richard


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 06:35:42 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:35:42 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBC8@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <000501c397c7$761c0620$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.


Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
    rstrDestDbs As String, _
    rstrTable As String, _
    Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
) As Boolean
' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the specified database
' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database containing the
table to attach to
'               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the attachment
in,
'                   or empty string for the current database
'               rstrTable - name of the table in rstrSourceDbs to attach
'               rstrNewTable - new name of table in destination database; _
                    if empty string, do not change the name
' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise

    Dim dbs As Database
    Dim tdf As TableDef

    ' get a handle to the destination database
    If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
        Set dbs = CurrentDb()
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
    End If
    ' create a new table object
    If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
        ' use new table name
        Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
    Else
        ' use original table name
        Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
    End If
    ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
    tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
    tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
    ' save the new table
    dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
End Function


> -----Original Message-----
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> Griffiths, Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> Hi Group
>
> I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> linked table at
> close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> refreshing the link
> but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> (I am linking
> to BE SQL db)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Richard
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 06:43:54 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:43:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <000001c397ba$e7d038c0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <003c01c397c8$9b5554e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Absolutely endorse this. I've got a big MDB with lots of tables. It was
taking about 20 MINUTES to relink before I kept a pointer to the data
open. Now does it in 10-15 SECONDS. Massive difference.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart Sanders
> Sent: 21 October 2003 11:06
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> 
> 
> Not necessarily true...
> 
> For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a 
> multiuser backend, maintaining an open db connection to the 
> db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5 minute relink operation 
> without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an open 
> connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for 
> each table to be relinked.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, 
> > Andrew
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> >
> >
> > I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
> >
> > There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening 
> > connections that I'm aware of.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> >
> >
> > Dear group,
> >
> > Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the 
> > connection open shows the following figure.
> >
> > 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> >      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
> >      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> > now 2 seconds
> >
> > 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> >      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 
> 1 seconds
> >      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> > now 1 seconds
> >
> >
> > In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections 
> > after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> > those database
> > connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> > errors. But
> > reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> > currently use is
> >
> >    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
> >       Dim db as dao.databse
> >       Dim rs as dao.recordset
> >
> >       set db = currentdb()
> >
> >       > the works>
> >
> >       db.close
> >       rs.close
> >       set db = nothing
> >       set rs= nothing
> >    end function
> >
> >
> > So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is 
> it better to 
> > dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> > function???????? so
> > in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
> >
> > Gr. marcel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Charlotte Foust" 
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 
> > 20-10-2003 17:47:40
> >
> > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > cc:
> >
> > Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> >
> >
> > Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name 
> Autocorrect and 
> > Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an 
> > improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be 
> turned off 
> > in the backend.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> >
> >
> > Dear group,
> >
> > It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 
> > months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on 
> so I would
> > like to ask
> > you the following.
> >
> > I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 
> > applications  distributed among several customers. All database use 
> > DAO and have a FE
> >  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> >  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> >  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> > *  queries
> >  with only the data wich is used
> > - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> > eacht function
> > of module.
> > -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> > of work and I
> > do not know if i want to do this.
> >
> > But this all did not improved much.
> >
> > I am thinking about the following
> > - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve 
> > performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am 
> > missing something
> > - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> > controls on a
> > form. If I do this does this improve performance
> > - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> > of money and
> > the won?t be happy.
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions, ideas??
> > I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone 
> experience, tips, 
> > tricks in this.
> >
> > Thansk marcel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 
> 19-10-2003 
> > 06:32:54
> >
> > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > cc:
> >
> > Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> >
> >
> >
> > John - This article may be of benefit
> > Dave
> >
> > PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> > microsoft.com: 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> >
> >
> > I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> > Move last, move
> > first. EOF and BOF are both false.
> >
> > Recordcount = -1
> >
> > What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Tue Oct 21 06:45:01 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:45:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010A@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Curious, I have a database with linked SQL Tables. Why would you want to do
this? Why do you refresh the tables?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table


I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.


Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
    rstrDestDbs As String, _
    rstrTable As String, _
    Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
) As Boolean
' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the specified database
' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database containing the
table to attach to
'               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
attachment
in,
'                   or empty string for the current database
'               rstrTable - name of the table in rstrSourceDbs to attach
'               rstrNewTable - new name of table in destination database; _
                    if empty string, do not change the name
' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise

    Dim dbs As Database
    Dim tdf As TableDef

    ' get a handle to the destination database
    If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
        Set dbs = CurrentDb()
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
    End If
    ' create a new table object
    If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
        ' use new table name
        Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
    Else
        ' use original table name
        Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
    End If
    ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
    tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
    tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
    ' save the new table
    dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
End Function


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Griffiths, Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> Hi Group
>
> I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> linked table at
> close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> refreshing the link
> but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> (I am linking
> to BE SQL db)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Richard
>
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Oct 21 06:58:12 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:58:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBC9@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Stuart Sanders [SMTP:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent:	21 October 2003 12:36
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> 
> I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
> 
> 
> Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
>     rstrDestDbs As String, _
>     rstrTable As String, _
>     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> ) As Boolean
> ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the specified database
> ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database containing
> the
> table to attach to
> '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
> attachment
> in,
> '                   or empty string for the current database
> '               rstrTable - name of the table in rstrSourceDbs to attach
> '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in destination database;
> _
>                     if empty string, do not change the name
> ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
> 
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
> 
>     ' get a handle to the destination database
>     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
>         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     Else
>         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
>     End If
>     ' create a new table object
>     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
>         ' use new table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
>     Else
>         ' use original table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
>     End If
>     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
>     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
>     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
>     ' save the new table
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> End Function
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Griffiths, Richard
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > linked table at
> > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > refreshing the link
> > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > (I am linking
> > to BE SQL db)
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Tue Oct 21 07:00:54 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:00:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the database, Access
remains open. Why is it doing this now? I seems to mostly happen when I make
some changes to the database.

Virginia

From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Oct 21 07:01:36 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:01:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBCA@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

I agree but.....
I am having a heap load of troubles connecting and this was one last try to
see if this would correct the problem.
I have a dsn and sometimes can connect ok, move to another workstation and I
get ODBC failures, move back and my machine and find is not
working/connecting, other users get the 'Connect to SQL' dialog pooping up
and so on.

Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Hollis,Virginia [SMTP:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> Sent:	21 October 2003 12:45
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> 
> Curious, I have a database with linked SQL Tables. Why would you want to
> do
> this? Why do you refresh the tables?
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> 
> 
> I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
> 
> 
> Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
>     rstrDestDbs As String, _
>     rstrTable As String, _
>     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> ) As Boolean
> ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the specified database
> ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database containing
> the
> table to attach to
> '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
> attachment
> in,
> '                   or empty string for the current database
> '               rstrTable - name of the table in rstrSourceDbs to attach
> '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in destination database;
> _
>                     if empty string, do not change the name
> ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
> 
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
> 
>     ' get a handle to the destination database
>     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
>         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     Else
>         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
>     End If
>     ' create a new table object
>     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
>         ' use new table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
>     Else
>         ' use original table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
>     End If
>     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
>     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
>     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
>     ' save the new table
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> End Function
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Griffiths, Richard
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > linked table at
> > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > refreshing the link
> > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > (I am linking
> > to BE SQL db)
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 07:04:50 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:04:50 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010A@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <000601c397cb$881a3500$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

This particular implementation was for linking to a local temp db.  So
calculations can be run on the local PC (copy data to local PC once as opposed
to hogging network bandwidth) and then when the database is closed it removes
the links and deletes the temp db.  Also keeps bloat out of the local mde.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> Curious, I have a database with linked SQL Tables. Why would
> you want to do
> this? Why do you refresh the tables?
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
>
>
> Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
>     rstrDestDbs As String, _
>     rstrTable As String, _
>     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> ) As Boolean
> ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the
> specified database
> ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database
> containing the
> table to attach to
> '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
> attachment
> in,
> '                   or empty string for the current database
> '               rstrTable - name of the table in
> rstrSourceDbs to attach
> '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in
> destination database; _
>                     if empty string, do not change the name
> ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
>
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
>
>     ' get a handle to the destination database
>     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
>         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     Else
>         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
>     End If
>     ' create a new table object
>     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
>         ' use new table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
>     Else
>         ' use original table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
>     End If
>     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
>     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
>     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
>     ' save the new table
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> End Function
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Griffiths, Richard
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > linked table at
> > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > refreshing the link
> > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > (I am linking
> > to BE SQL db)
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 07:07:21 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:07:21 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBC9@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <000701c397cb$e1e98a40$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Btw some modification is probably required for connecting to SQL server.  You'd
have a better chance of knowing that than me.

Use debug.print on an existing tabledef connection

It should help get you there though.

Stuart


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Griffiths, Richard
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> thanks
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Stuart Sanders [SMTP:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> > Sent:	21 October 2003 12:36
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> > I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
> >
> >
> > Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
> >     rstrDestDbs As String, _
> >     rstrTable As String, _
> >     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> > ) As Boolean
> > ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the
> specified database
> > ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the
> database containing
> > the
> > table to attach to
> > '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to
> create the
> > attachment
> > in,
> > '                   or empty string for the current database
> > '               rstrTable - name of the table in
> rstrSourceDbs to attach
> > '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in
> destination database;
> > _
> >                     if empty string, do not change the name
> > ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
> >
> >     Dim dbs As Database
> >     Dim tdf As TableDef
> >
> >     ' get a handle to the destination database
> >     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
> >         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
> >     Else
> >         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
> >     End If
> >     ' create a new table object
> >     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
> >         ' use new table name
> >         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
> >     Else
> >         ' use original table name
> >         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
> >     End If
> >     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
> >     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
> >     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
> >     ' save the new table
> >     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> > End Function
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Griffiths, Richard
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Group
> > >
> > > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > > linked table at
> > > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > > refreshing the link
> > > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > > (I am linking
> > > to BE SQL db)
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 07:09:17 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:09:17 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010A@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <000801c397cc$27380090$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Never mind my previous post...

I was answering your question in relation to how I used it, not for SQL server.

/decides to read a post properly before replying

Stuart


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> Curious, I have a database with linked SQL Tables. Why would
> you want to do
> this? Why do you refresh the tables?
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
>
>
> I've trimmed this a bit. Removed error handling etc.
>
>
> Public Function CreateAttachedTable(rstrSourceDbs As String, _
>     rstrDestDbs As String, _
>     rstrTable As String, _
>     Optional rstrNewTable As String = vbNullString _
> ) As Boolean
> ' Purpose:      creates a new table attachment in the
> specified database
> ' Parameters:   rstrSourceDbs - path and name of the database
> containing the
> table to attach to
> '               rstrDestDbs - path and name of database to create the
> attachment
> in,
> '                   or empty string for the current database
> '               rstrTable - name of the table in
> rstrSourceDbs to attach
> '               rstrNewTable - new name of table in
> destination database; _
>                     if empty string, do not change the name
> ' Returns:      true - successful; false - otherwise
>
>     Dim dbs As Database
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
>
>     ' get a handle to the destination database
>     If rstrDestDbs = vbNullString Then
>         Set dbs = CurrentDb()
>     Else
>         Set dbs = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(rstrDestDbs)
>     End If
>     ' create a new table object
>     If Len(Trim(rstrNewTable)) > 0 Then
>         ' use new table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrNewTable)
>     Else
>         ' use original table name
>         Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef(rstrTable)
>     End If
>     ' set the appropriate properties to make it an attached table
>     tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & rstrSourceDbs
>     tdf.SourceTableName = rstrTable
>     ' save the new table
>     dbs.TableDefs.Append tdf
> End Function
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Griffiths, Richard
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 7:13 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 - SQL Linked Table
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I am having a brain blockage today - I wish to remove a
> > linked table at
> > close of system and re-attach at start. I have code for
> > refreshing the link
> > but not create new linked table/delete link. Can anyone help.
> > (I am linking
> > to BE SQL db)
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 21 07:10:27 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:10:27 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <000901c397cc$509a2df0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Generally that happens to me when an object hasn't been closed properly.

Stuart

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 8:01 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
>
>
> I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the
> database, Access
> remains open. Why is it doing this now? I seems to mostly
> happen when I make
> some changes to the database.
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 07:31:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:31:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.
In-Reply-To: <000601c39787$635c0520$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFJFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, something like this.  Thanks.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John,

This some of the code from my Startup form.  Is this something like what
you're looking for?

    If AdminPerson = False Then
        '-- Setting for users
        SetOption "Show Hidden Objects", False
        SetOption "Show System Objects", False
        DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
	  SetOption "Show Status Bar", True
    Else
        '-- Settings for Admin people
        CurrentDb.Properties!AppTitle = "QMS - " & GstgCompanyName
        Application.RefreshTitleBar
        SetOption "Show Hidden Objects", True
        SetOption "Show System Objects", True
        DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes
        SetOption "Show Status Bar", False
    End If

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John,

I wrote a tool called C2DbProperties which allows a developer to perform
this task externally, i.e. it is a wizard that you open which allows you to
find a db on the disk and apply these properties on that db.

This is not what I am talking about however.  I am referring to the toolbars
that you can see at the top of forms, such as the Form view, clip board, web
etc., if you right click on the menu bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Sullivan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turning off toolbars in production db.


John and List,

Sorry for coming in to this so late but had an interview, wish me luck.

In a previous position managing support personnel and as default application
developer, I handled this problem by creating 2 "hidden" buttons on a form
deep in the application.  The buttons' On_Click events called code that
would set or unset properties as needed.

Prior to distribution, the "Set" startup button was clicked and the app
compiled to disable options that allowed the user to shoot ourselves in the
foot. If support people (most usually me) had to have more access on a
user's machine, the "UnSet" button in the app was clicked, the app was
closed and, then re-opened to allow maintenance and correction. On the way
out, clicking on the "Set" button and closing the app reset the conditions
for "protecting" the app again before allowing the user back in.  Not
elegant I know, but it allow some security while fulfilling questionable
"requirements" such as hiding embedded paths and passwords and disallowing
the user to see code. A couple of drawbacks, it requires the
developer/support person to remember to reset the options and the changes
don't take effect until closing and re-opening the app.  One could make the
"Set" option fire when the app is opened but I was not allowed to take that
tactic.

I no longer have access to a copy of this app but I did save some of the
stripped-down code and am willing to share. You will need to re-add error
handling and choose your own properties to be toggled but this will give a
demo of programatticly setting options using the Database.Properties method.
This was a few years back but I remember  we used this in apps of both A97
and A2K.  I also remember having to add code to save the user's preferences
before making changes and resetting those when closing the app for our
Access "power" users (the ones who most frequently caused problems).

Since the code is long, I prefer to send it offline and would be happy for
it to be stored on a web site where all list members can download it and
make fun of it.  This could be an interesting article Susan (hint, hint).

John Sullivan

John Colby wrote:

>One of the things I would like to do is turn off the toolbars
>AUTOMATICALLY when the db is in production.  It occurred to me I could
>use my
>Workstation() function to sense the name of my dev machine and turn the
>toolbars off if the db is opening on any other machine.  Has anyone ever
>done this?  Any thoughts on the matter?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 08:02:52 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:02:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <OF52068BDA.632970D7-ONC1256DC6.0036D25E@achmea.nl>
References: <OF52068BDA.632970D7-ONC1256DC6.0036D25E@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <13352.12.3.132.98.1066741372.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Anyone knows where I can find replace function code to use for Access 97 ?


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue Oct 21 08:18:39 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:18:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Check www.codehound.com

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function


Anyone knows where I can find replace function code to use for Access 97 ?


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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 08:27:48 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:27:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

thanks Jim. I alredy found it --

Public Function Replace(ByRef strText As String, strSearch As String,
strReplace As String) As String
Dim lngStrPos As Long

lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
    Do While lngStrPos <> 0
        strText = Left$(strText, lngStrPos - 1) & strReplace &
Mid$(strText, lngStrPos + 1)
        lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
    Loop
    Replace = strText
End Function



> Check www.codehound.com
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director Product Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:03 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
>
>
> Anyone knows where I can find replace function code to use for Access 97
> ?
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 08:42:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:42:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

This is just about the slowest implementation available.
If you need speed have a look here:

  http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Replace.htm

Replace5 is a decent compromise between complexity and speed:

  http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Replace.htm#Replace05

/gustav


> thanks Jim. I alredy found it --

> Public Function Replace(ByRef strText As String, strSearch As String,
> strReplace As String) As String
> Dim lngStrPos As Long

> lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
>     Do While lngStrPos <> 0
>         strText = Left$(strText, lngStrPos - 1) & strReplace &
> Mid$(strText, lngStrPos + 1)
>         lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
>     Loop
>     Replace = strText
> End Function


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 08:44:31 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:44:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] still struggling with inserting to access table
In-Reply-To: <000901c394e7$601a04e0$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <14044.12.3.132.98.1066404460.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <000901c394e7$601a04e0$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <24423.12.3.132.98.1066743871.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

>>problems for last Names thats have apostrophe

>
> You need double singles for these names (or any value in a sql string
> with an apostrophe in it).  Surround the value with a Replace ...
>
> Replace(arecord(0), "'","''")
>

got the replace function, got the split function;
but when i try to implement replace function at that part of the code it
gives "by Ref  mistake" (in diff part of the same code it work fine)


--------

Private Sub Command14_Click()

 MsgBox ("hey")
 Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer

Set db = CurrentDb


If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
       'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with space
       strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)

        aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)


        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2), "'",
"''") & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
Replace(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"


        Debug.Print strSQL
        CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If
    MsgBox ("end")
End Sub


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 08:58:38 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:58:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>

Greetings,

I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

Example:
000
001
.
.
998
999
00A
00B
.
.
ZZZ


Mark Mitsules
Senior Designer
Department E13
Submarine Electrical Engineering
Northrop Grumman Newport News
757.380.3376

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 09:14:42 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:14:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
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Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in Visual
Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more concerned
that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I write
Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....

> Hi Oleg
>
> This is just about the slowest implementation available.
> If you need speed have a look here:
>
>   http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Replace.htm
>
> Replace5 is a decent compromise between complexity and speed:
>
>   http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Replace.htm#Replace05
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> thanks Jim. I alredy found it --
>
>> Public Function Replace(ByRef strText As String, strSearch As String,
>> strReplace As String) As String
>> Dim lngStrPos As Long
>
>> lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
>>     Do While lngStrPos <> 0
>>         strText = Left$(strText, lngStrPos - 1) & strReplace &
>> Mid$(strText, lngStrPos + 1)
>>         lngStrPos = InStr(1, strText, strSearch)
>>     Loop
>>     Replace = strText
>> End Function
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct 21 09:22:25 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:22:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <8880874.1066745424653.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000501c397de$c3361060$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Mark,

I believe that Excel converts 7E9 to 7 * 10 to the 9th power.  

Try putting a single apostrophe in front of the AAA.  In the formula bar it
will look like 'AAA, but in the cell it will look like AAA.  This tells
Excel that you want the cell contents treated like text, and should prevent
the conversion to an exponential value.

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:59 AM
To: '[AccessD]'
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Greetings,

I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

Example:
000
001
.
.
998
999
00A
00B
.
.
ZZZ


Mark Mitsules
Senior Designer
Department E13
Submarine Electrical Engineering
Northrop Grumman Newport News
757.380.3376
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 09:23:40 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <34059.12.3.132.98.1066746220.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Mike, I just did regular 'sort ascending' got this (I typed it not in any
order); is that what u r looking for ?

r
000
001
123
134
444
445
455
456
67U
AER
AQO
ASD
FGT
IUY
VBG
ZZZ

> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.
>  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel
> makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into
> 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark Mitsules
> Senior Designer
> Department E13
> Submarine Electrical Engineering
> Northrop Grumman Newport News
> 757.380.3376
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 09:24:46 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:24:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
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 <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

Try this:

  Replace(MyRecord(0), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))

/gustav


> Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in Visual
> Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more concerned
> that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I write
> Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 09:34:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:34:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
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Message-ID: <11928747076.20031021163449@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

You could do this SQL

 .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

/gustav


> Greetings,

> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
> field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
> remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
> suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
> startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 09:35:29 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89C@nnse14.nns.com>

That worked for the small dataset you've shown, but as you can see below, an
ASCII sort order will place 00A through 00Z before 010.  I was hoping for a
possible use of Val() in combination with the sort to produce my desired
result.


008
009
00A
00B
.
.
00Z
010


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mike, I just did regular 'sort ascending' got this (I typed it not in any
order); is that what u r looking for ?

r
000
001
123
134
444
445
455
456
67U
AER
AQO
ASD
FGT
IUY
VBG
ZZZ

> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 09:38:00 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:38:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
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I still get byRef argument type mismatch :((
What does it mean ?

------
Private Sub Command14_Click()

 MsgBox ("hey")
 Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer

Set db = CurrentDb


If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
       'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with space
       strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)

        aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)


        'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(2),
"'", "''") & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
Replace01(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"
       strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2),
Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), Chr(39),
Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(4), Chr(39), Chr(39) +
Chr(39)) & "')"

        Debug.Print strSQL
        CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If
    MsgBox ("end")
End Sub




> Hi Oleg
>
> Try this:
>
>   Replace(MyRecord(0), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in
>> Visual Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more
>> concerned that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I
>> write Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 09:39:39 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:39:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <000501c397de$c3361060$de1811d8@DanWaters>
References: <8880874.1066745424653.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
        <000501c397de$c3361060$de1811d8@DanWaters>
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Mark, I just tried it Excel also, if u want t do it there, make sure you
format into text first (from general)

> Mark,
>
> I believe that Excel converts 7E9 to 7 * 10 to the 9th power.
>
> Try putting a single apostrophe in front of the AAA.  In the formula bar
> it will look like 'AAA, but in the cell it will look like AAA.  This
> tells Excel that you want the cell contents treated like text, and
> should prevent the conversion to an exponential value.
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
> Mark Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:59 AM
> To: '[AccessD]'
> Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.
>  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel
> makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into
> 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark Mitsules
> Senior Designer
> Department E13
> Submarine Electrical Engineering
> Northrop Grumman Newport News
> 757.380.3376
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 09:49:55 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:49:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
References: <003c01c397c8$9b5554e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00ed01c397e2$976b71b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Andy:

I use Tribble's relinker.  Is there a simple mod to his code which would
accomplish this?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


> Absolutely endorse this. I've got a big MDB with lots of tables. It was
> taking about 20 MINUTES to relink before I kept a pointer to the data
> open. Now does it in 10-15 SECONDS. Massive difference.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Stuart Sanders
> > Sent: 21 October 2003 11:06
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> >
> >
> > Not necessarily true...
> >
> > For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a
> > multiuser backend, maintaining an open db connection to the
> > db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5 minute relink operation
> > without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an open
> > connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for
> > each table to be relinked.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
> > > Andrew
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
> > >
> > > There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening
> > > connections that I'm aware of.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > A
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > >
> > > Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> > > connection open shows the following figure.
> > >
> > > 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > >      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
> > >      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> > > now 2 seconds
> > >
> > > 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > >      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now
> > 1 seconds
> > >      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> > > now 1 seconds
> > >
> > >
> > > In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections
> > > after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> > > those database
> > > connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> > > errors. But
> > > reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> > > currently use is
> > >
> > >    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
> > >       Dim db as dao.databse
> > >       Dim rs as dao.recordset
> > >
> > >       set db = currentdb()
> > >
> > >       > the works>
> > >
> > >       db.close
> > >       rs.close
> > >       set db = nothing
> > >       set rs= nothing
> > >    end function
> > >
> > >
> > > So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is
> > it better to
> > > dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> > > function???????? so
> > > in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
> > >
> > > Gr. marcel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Charlotte Foust"
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > > 20-10-2003 17:47:40
> > >
> > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name
> > Autocorrect and
> > > Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an
> > > improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be
> > turned off
> > > in the backend.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > >
> > > It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7
> > > months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on
> > so I would
> > > like to ask
> > > you the following.
> > >
> > > I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> > > applications  distributed among several customers. All database use
> > > DAO and have a FE
> > >  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> > >  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> > >  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> > > *  queries
> > >  with only the data wich is used
> > > - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> > > eacht function
> > > of module.
> > > -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> > > of work and I
> > > do not know if i want to do this.
> > >
> > > But this all did not improved much.
> > >
> > > I am thinking about the following
> > > - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> > > performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am
> > > missing something
> > > - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> > > controls on a
> > > form. If I do this does this improve performance
> > > - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> > > of money and
> > > the won?t be happy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any suggestions, ideas??
> > > I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone
> > experience, tips,
> > > tricks in this.
> > >
> > > Thansk marcel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > 19-10-2003
> > > 06:32:54
> > >
> > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John - This article may be of benefit
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> > > microsoft.com: 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > >
> > >
> > > I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> > > Move last, move
> > > first. EOF and BOF are both false.
> > >
> > > Recordcount = -1
> > >
> > > What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 09:50:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89D@nnse14.nns.com>

The problem with using Excel is getting it in there in the first place.
Excel apparently knows better than I what I want:(  On pasting as Text, it
automatically does the conversion back to numeric.  With 46,655 records I
would prefer not to do any manual editing such as formatting with a " ' " or
changing entries like 7000000000 back to 7E9.  The Access table I have has
all the data already in the correct format...I was hoping for an SQL sorting
solution.  I'm just frustrated with my lack of vision on this particular
problem.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mark, I just tried it Excel also, if u want t do it there, make sure you
format into text first (from general)

> Mark,
>
> I believe that Excel converts 7E9 to 7 * 10 to the 9th power.
>
> Try putting a single apostrophe in front of the AAA.  In the formula 
> bar it will look like 'AAA, but in the cell it will look like AAA.  
> This tells Excel that you want the cell contents treated like text, 
> and should prevent the conversion to an exponential value.
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, 
> Mark Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:59 AM
> To: '[AccessD]'
> Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark Mitsules
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 09:58:23 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:58:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89F@nnse14.nns.com>

Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right track.
That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 01A.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Hi Mark

You could do this SQL

 .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

/gustav


> Greetings,

> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.

> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 10:01:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:01:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747080.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
 <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
 <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747080.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <3230373214.20031021170155@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

> I still get byRef argument type mismatch :((
> What does it mean ?

What it says.
Your array returns a Variant while Replace01() probably needs a
String.
Try this:

  .. Replace01(CStr(aRecord(2)) ..

/gustav


> ------
> Private Sub Command14_Click()

>  MsgBox ("hey")
>  Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim aRecord
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer

> Set db = CurrentDb


> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>     Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

>     Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

>         strLine = ts.ReadLine
>        'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with space
>        strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)

>         aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
>         aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)


>         'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
> aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(2),
> "'", "''") & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
> Replace01(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"
>        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
> aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2),
> Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), Chr(39),
> Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(4), Chr(39), Chr(39) +
> Chr(39)) & "')"

>         Debug.Print strSQL
>         CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)

>     Loop
> Else
>      MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
> End If
>     MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub




>> Hi Oleg
>>
>> Try this:
>>
>>   Replace(MyRecord(0), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>> Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in
>>> Visual Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more
>>> concerned that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I
>>> write Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....


From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Oct 21 10:07:48 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:07:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard in A2K
Message-ID: <006d01c397e5$17d8e060$2501a8c0@PASCAL>

Hi all,

   I am using the A2K upsize wizard to SQL Server 2000.  It won't let me
upsize cascade deletes in relationships, though SQL Server 2000 has that.
I'm using SP-3 of Office 2K.  Is there anything I can do to upsize these, or
do I need to reset those manually after upsizing.  If so, does A2002 upsize
cascade deletes?

Thanks

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
763-391-7400
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 10:05:21 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89D@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89D@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <21610.12.3.132.98.1066748721.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

then just try what Gustave sent ---

SELECT TT.r
FROM TT
ORDER BY StrComp(r, Cstr(Val(r)), 1), r;


> The problem with using Excel is getting it in there in the first place.
> Excel apparently knows better than I what I want:(  On pasting as Text,
> it automatically does the conversion back to numeric.  With 46,655
> records I would prefer not to do any manual editing such as formatting
> with a " ' " or changing entries like 7000000000 back to 7E9.  The
> Access table I have has all the data already in the correct format...I
> was hoping for an SQL sorting solution.  I'm just frustrated with my
> lack of vision on this particular problem.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>
>
> Mark, I just tried it Excel also, if u want t do it there, make sure you
> format into text first (from general)
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I believe that Excel converts 7E9 to 7 * 10 to the 9th power.
>>
>> Try putting a single apostrophe in front of the AAA.  In the formula
>> bar it will look like 'AAA, but in the cell it will look like AAA.
>> This tells Excel that you want the cell contents treated like text,
>> and should prevent the conversion to an exponential value.
>>
>> Dan Waters
>> Quality Process Solutions
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
>> Mark Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:59 AM
>> To: '[AccessD]'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this
>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before
>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort
>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however,
>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9
>> into 7000000000.
>>
>> Example:
>> 000
>> 001
>> .
>> .
>> 998
>> 999
>> 00A
>> 00B
>> .
>> .
>> ZZZ
>>
>>
>> Mark Mitsules
>> Senior Designer
>> Department E13
>> Submarine Electrical Engineering
>> Northrop Grumman Newport News
>> 757.380.3376
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 10:10:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:10:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89F@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89F@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <11130889236.20031021171031@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right track.
> That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 01A.

Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.

This should do:

  Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

/gustav


> You could do this SQL

>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

> /gustav


>> Greetings,

>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
>> into 7000000000.

>> Example:
>> 000
>> 001
>> .
>> .
>> 998
>> 999
>> 00A
>> 00B
>> .
>> .
>> ZZZ


From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Oct 21 10:10:54 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:10:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65901@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Here's my situation.  I have Office XP, but it's a corporate edition (or
something like that) that doesn't have the necessary files when creating a
runtime version (I think it's looking for data1.msi).  I also have Office XP
Developer.  Now when I try to create a runtime I'm told to insert my Office
XP disk 1 (I only have 1 disk with this version) to find the necessary
file(s).  It doesn't find them.  I've also tried to use the Sagekey Access
2002 Runtime which requires the Office XP CD 1.  It seems to me that I should
be able to purchase Access XP (I'm trying to find the cheapest way out of
this mess and I don't need the other XP for the other pieces) and create my
runtime package, but I don't know if the Access XP disk will work when it's
looking for Office XP.

Has anyone experienced this or have any knowledge about this?

Thanks,

Paula Wright


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 10:18:15 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:18:15 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F65Kp1CzZgx44x00003c05@hotmail.com>

Jim,

I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below 
"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it...is it an API declared 
in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a value?

Thanks,

Mark

>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:15:59 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
>   Since it stores a bookmark, it must be a variant.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:02 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Jim,
>
>How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord
> >and
> >lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >Private Sub Form_Current()
> >
> >   Dim rst As Recordset
> >
> >   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> >
> >   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
> >   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
> >     ' Nothing to do
> >   Else
> >       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
> >       rst.Edit
> >         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
> >       rst.Update
> >       Set rst = Nothing
> >   End If
> >
> >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
> >
> >   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
> >   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
> >
> >
> >End Sub
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
> >ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with 
>the
> >control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
> >fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this 
>is
> >in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
> >UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether
> >or
> >not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?  
>Any
> >thoughts?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> > >
> > >Jim,
> > >
> > >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like
> >the
> > >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> > >
> > >John W. Colby
> > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >John,
> > >
> > >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both 
>would
> > >be
> > >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a
> >requery
> > >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle 
>as
> > >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example
> >using
> > >bookmarks.
> > >
> > >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> > >different
> > >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row
> >colors.
> > >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for 
>displaying
> > >of
> > >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> > >
> > >Jim Dettman
> > >President,
> > >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > >(315) 699-3443
> > >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> > >current line number.  In my framework I use
> > >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> > >replaces the function?
> > >
> > >John W. Colby
> > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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>Mark
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> > >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous 
>Form
> > >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Hello All,
> > >
> > >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row
> >that
> > >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> > >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of 
>every
> > >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> > >
> > >Any Ideas?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 10:19:12 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:19:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP
References: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65901@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c397e6$b0b303a0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...uninstall the OfficeXP version ...then install OfficeXP Developer which
includes Office XP + Access + the developer utilities ...you can install
Developer over an existing Office but the chances of getting a bad install
are, ime, much higher ...HTH :)

William Hindman
"How can there possibly be liberty and justice for all,
when, in the name of justice, people claim rights to income,
food, housing, education, health care, transportation, ad
infinitum? We can't. Positive rights to receive such things,
absent an obligation to earn them, must violate others' liberty,
by taking some of their income without their consent. They are
really just wishes, convertible into benefits for some only by
employing the government to violate others' rights not to have
what is theirs taken." --Prof. Gary Galles of Pepperdine University

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paula Wright" <paulawright at boddienoell.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP


Here's my situation.  I have Office XP, but it's a corporate edition (or
something like that) that doesn't have the necessary files when creating a
runtime version (I think it's looking for data1.msi).  I also have Office XP
Developer.  Now when I try to create a runtime I'm told to insert my Office
XP disk 1 (I only have 1 disk with this version) to find the necessary
file(s).  It doesn't find them.  I've also tried to use the Sagekey Access
2002 Runtime which requires the Office XP CD 1.  It seems to me that I
should
be able to purchase Access XP (I'm trying to find the cheapest way out of
this mess and I don't need the other XP for the other pieces) and create my
runtime package, but I don't know if the Access XP disk will work when it's
looking for Office XP.

Has anyone experienced this or have any knowledge about this?

Thanks,

Paula Wright

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 10:23:39 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:23:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A0@nnse14.nns.com>

> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining records
reverted back to the way it was before...

001
.
009
00A
.
00Z
010
.
Etc...



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Hi Mark

> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
> 01A.

Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.

This should do:

  Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

/gustav


> You could do this SQL

>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

> /gustav


>> Greetings,

>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
>> into 7000000000.

>> Example:
>> 000
>> 001
>> .
>> .
>> 998
>> 999
>> 00A
>> 00B
>> .
>> .
>> ZZZ

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 21 10:26:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:26:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273AA@main2.marlow.com>

Do a double sort.  Create another field, which is the VAL of your data.
Sort that descending, and if the val=0 then set it to 1000, that put's it
after the other numeric numbers, then sort alphabetically.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


That worked for the small dataset you've shown, but as you can see below, an
ASCII sort order will place 00A through 00Z before 010.  I was hoping for a
possible use of Val() in combination with the sort to produce my desired
result.


008
009
00A
00B
.
.
00Z
010


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mike, I just did regular 'sort ascending' got this (I typed it not in any
order); is that what u r looking for ?

r
000
001
123
134
444
445
455
456
67U
AER
AQO
ASD
FGT
IUY
VBG
ZZZ

> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 10:31:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:31:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123B6@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Access 2000 and XP are much less forgiving of undestroyed objects than
97.  Another difference is that a hidden form will keep the database
open when you try to quit, which is not the same behavior as 97.  Make
sure you explicitly destroy any object variables populated using the Set
keyword.  Also make sure that you use a full evaluation of things like
checkboxes in your code.  In other words, use 

If Me.Checkbox = True Then

And not

If Me.Checkbox Then

Or else wrap the expression Me.Checkbox in parens to force an
evaluation.  Otherwise, Access can hang up on that issue as well.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open


I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the database, Access
remains open. Why is it doing this now? I seems to mostly happen when I
make some changes to the database.

Virginia
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 10:34:29 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:34:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E010B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <007701c397e8$d1d12f60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Virginia
Could it be this?

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;246953&Product=a
cc

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: 21 October 2003 13:01
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
> 
> 
> I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the 
> database, Access remains open. Why is it doing this now? I 
> seems to mostly happen when I make some changes to the database.
> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 10:52:22 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:52:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <3230373214.20031021170155@cactus.dk>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
        <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
        <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
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        <3230373214.20031021170155@cactus.dk>
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oi wey

I don't think this will ever. Ok it doesn't give my ByRef error anymore,
it just crashes every time around the record 144 (??) All other transfer
forms work fine exsept in this in the original someone jut had to put date
in format 19860102....

> Hi Oleg
>
>> I still get byRef argument type mismatch :((
>> What does it mean ?
>
> What it says.
> Your array returns a Variant while Replace01() probably needs a
> String.
> Try this:
>
>   .. Replace01(CStr(aRecord(2)) ..
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> ------
>> Private Sub Command14_Click()
>
>>  MsgBox ("hey")
>>  Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
>> Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim aRecord
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> Dim db As DAO.Database
>> Dim i As Integer
>
>> Set db = CurrentDb
>
>
>> If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
>>     Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
>> testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)
>
>>     Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
>
>>         strLine = ts.ReadLine
>>        'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with
>> space strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)
>
>>         aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
>>         aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)
>
>
>>         'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" &
>> "'" &
>> aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(2),
>> "'", "''") & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
>> Replace01(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"
>>        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'"
>> &
>> aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2),
>> Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), Chr(39),
>> Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(4), Chr(39), Chr(39) +
>> Chr(39)) & "')"
>
>>         Debug.Print strSQL
>>         CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)
>
>>     Loop
>> Else
>>      MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
>> End If
>>     MsgBox ("end")
>> End Sub
>
>
>
>
>>> Hi Oleg
>>>
>>> Try this:
>>>
>>>   Replace(MyRecord(0), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>
>>>> Gustav, I get an error message 'automation type not supported in
>>>> Visual Basic', but in any case speed is not #1 issue, I am much more
>>>> concerned that it doesn't work for words with apostraphe, and when I
>>>> write Replace(MyRecord(0),"'","''") I get error ByRef mismatch....
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 10:57:23 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:57:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A0@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A0@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <8933701009.20031021175723@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:

.. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))

/gustav


>> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

> Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining records
> reverted back to the way it was before...

> 001
> .
> 009
> 00A
> .
> 00Z
> 010
> .
> Etc...



> Mark


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


> Hi Mark

>> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
>> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
>> 01A.

> Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.

> This should do:

>   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

> /gustav


>> You could do this SQL

>>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

>> /gustav


>>> Greetings,

>>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
>>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
>>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
>>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
>>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
>>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
>>> into 7000000000.

>>> Example:
>>> 000
>>> 001
>>> .
>>> .
>>> 998
>>> 999
>>> 00A
>>> 00B
>>> .
>>> .
>>> ZZZ


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 11:02:45 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:02:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <34615.12.3.132.98.1066751542.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
 <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
 <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747080.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <3230373214.20031021170155@cactus.dk>
 <34615.12.3.132.98.1066751542.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <11234023102.20031021180245@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

And what do the other records look like?

/gustav

> I don't think this will ever. Ok it doesn't give my ByRef error anymore,
> it just crashes every time around the record 144 (??) All other transfer
> forms work fine exsept in this in the original someone jut had to put date
> in format 19860102....


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 11:04:25 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:04:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A1@nnse14.nns.com>

There are other conditions that may need addressing before using this
approach.

Examples:
Any combination of (numeric [1-9] & "D" or "E" & numeric [1-9]).
Val(1D3)=1000
Val(9D9)=9000000000
Val(1E1)=10


Other situations:
Val(1C1)=1
Val(8CW)=8
Val(5C9)=5
Val(90Q)=90



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Do a double sort.  Create another field, which is the VAL of your data. Sort
that descending, and if the val=0 then set it to 1000, that put's it after
the other numeric numbers, then sort alphabetically.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


That worked for the small dataset you've shown, but as you can see below, an
ASCII sort order will place 00A through 00Z before 010.  I was hoping for a
possible use of Val() in combination with the sort to produce my desired
result.


008
009
00A
00B
.
.
00Z
010


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mike, I just did regular 'sort ascending' got this (I typed it not in any
order); is that what u r looking for ?

r
000
001
123
134
444
445
455
456
67U
AER
AQO
ASD
FGT
IUY
VBG
ZZZ

> Greetings,
>
> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> into 7000000000.
>
> Example:
> 000
> 001
> .
> .
> 998
> 999
> 00A
> 00B
> .
> .
> ZZZ
>
>
> Mark
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 11:13:18 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:13:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>

Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
legend...cha cha cha"

Thank you sir,


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Hi Mark

Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:

.. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))

/gustav


>> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

> Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining 
> records reverted back to the way it was before...

> 001
> .
> 009
> 00A
> .
> 00Z
> 010
> .
> Etc...



> Mark


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


> Hi Mark

>> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
>> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
>> 01A.

> Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.

> This should do:

>   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC

> /gustav


>> You could do this SQL

>>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC

>> /gustav


>>> Greetings,

>>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
>>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
>>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
>>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
>>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
>>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
>>> into 7000000000.

>>> Example:
>>> 000
>>> 001
>>> .
>>> .
>>> 998
>>> 999
>>> 00A
>>> 00B
>>> .
>>> .
>>> ZZZ

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 11:20:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:20:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c397e2$976b71b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEGFFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought I'd modded his code and placed the modified version on my site.
I'd have to look though.  I know I did modify it for my own use.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Andy:

I use Tribble's relinker.  Is there a simple mod to his code which would
accomplish this?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


> Absolutely endorse this. I've got a big MDB with lots of tables. It was
> taking about 20 MINUTES to relink before I kept a pointer to the data
> open. Now does it in 10-15 SECONDS. Massive difference.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Stuart Sanders
> > Sent: 21 October 2003 11:06
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> >
> >
> > Not necessarily true...
> >
> > For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a
> > multiuser backend, maintaining an open db connection to the
> > db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5 minute relink operation
> > without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an open
> > connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for
> > each table to be relinked.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
> > > Andrew
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
> > >
> > > There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening
> > > connections that I'm aware of.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > A
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > >
> > > Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> > > connection open shows the following figure.
> > >
> > > 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > >      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
> > >      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> > > now 2 seconds
> > >
> > > 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > >      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now
> > 1 seconds
> > >      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> > > now 1 seconds
> > >
> > >
> > > In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections
> > > after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> > > those database
> > > connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> > > errors. But
> > > reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> > > currently use is
> > >
> > >    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
> > >       Dim db as dao.databse
> > >       Dim rs as dao.recordset
> > >
> > >       set db = currentdb()
> > >
> > >       > the works>
> > >
> > >       db.close
> > >       rs.close
> > >       set db = nothing
> > >       set rs= nothing
> > >    end function
> > >
> > >
> > > So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is
> > it better to
> > > dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> > > function???????? so
> > > in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
> > >
> > > Gr. marcel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Charlotte Foust"
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > > 20-10-2003 17:47:40
> > >
> > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name
> > Autocorrect and
> > > Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an
> > > improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be
> > turned off
> > > in the backend.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear group,
> > >
> > > It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7
> > > months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on
> > so I would
> > > like to ask
> > > you the following.
> > >
> > > I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> > > applications  distributed among several customers. All database use
> > > DAO and have a FE
> > >  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> > >  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> > >  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> > > *  queries
> > >  with only the data wich is used
> > > - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> > > eacht function
> > > of module.
> > > -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> > > of work and I
> > > do not know if i want to do this.
> > >
> > > But this all did not improved much.
> > >
> > > I am thinking about the following
> > > - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> > > performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am
> > > missing something
> > > - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> > > controls on a
> > > form. If I do this does this improve performance
> > > - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> > > of money and
> > > the won?t be happy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any suggestions, ideas??
> > > I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone
> > experience, tips,
> > > tricks in this.
> > >
> > > Thansk marcel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > 19-10-2003
> > > 06:32:54
> > >
> > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > >      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John - This article may be of benefit
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> > > microsoft.com: 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > >
> > >
> > > I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> > > Move last, move
> > > first. EOF and BOF are both false.
> > >
> > > Recordcount = -1
> > >
> > > What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 21 11:23:40 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:23:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F65Kp1CzZgx44x00003c05@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEKDHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Mark,

<<I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below
"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it..>>

  Yes it does:

> >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark

<<is it an API declared
in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a value?>>

  It would be a lot simpler to send you the sample database so you can play
with it.  Send me an e-mail off-list.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form


Jim,

I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below
"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it...is it an API declared
in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a value?

Thanks,

Mark

>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:15:59 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
>   Since it stores a bookmark, it must be a variant.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:02 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Jim,
>
>How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. varLastRecord
> >and
> >lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >Private Sub Form_Current()
> >
> >   Dim rst As Recordset
> >
> >   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> >
> >   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
> >   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
> >     ' Nothing to do
> >   Else
> >       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
> >       rst.Edit
> >         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
> >       rst.Update
> >       Set rst = Nothing
> >   End If
> >
> >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
> >
> >   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
> >   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
> >
> >
> >End Sub
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
> >ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with
>the
> >control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
> >fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this
>is
> >in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the BEFORE
> >UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining whether
> >or
> >not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?
>Any
> >thoughts?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> > >
> > >Jim,
> > >
> > >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid (like
> >the
> > >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> > >
> > >John W. Colby
> > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >John,
> > >
> > >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both
>would
> > >be
> > >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a
> >requery
> > >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle
>as
> > >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example
> >using
> > >bookmarks.
> > >
> > >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> > >different
> > >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row
> >colors.
> > >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for
>displaying
> > >of
> > >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> > >
> > >Jim Dettman
> > >President,
> > >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > >(315) 699-3443
> > >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> > >current line number.  In my framework I use
> > >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> > >replaces the function?
> > >
> > >John W. Colby
> > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules,
>Mark
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> > >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous
>Form
> > >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Hello All,
> > >
> > >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row
> >that
> > >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on that
> > >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of
>every
> > >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> > >
> > >Any Ideas?
> > >
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 21 11:24:14 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:24:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <200310210357.h9L3vb628333@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021112109.02702268@pop3.highstream.net>

I read an article years ago in the magazine Database.
The author stipulated there were currently 2 species
of humans, homo sapiens and homo userus.  Since homo
sapiens means thinking man, you can determine what
he meant by the second species.  ;-)

Robert

At 10:57 PM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:45:38 +1300
>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021144237.00b1b550 at mail.dalyn.co.nz>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii
>
>Not sure if I should be offended or not - New Zealand happens to share the
>same waters as the Aussies but we are a different country!
>
>The users would already have their own printers so at least this will not
>be an issue!  (It was a bit tongue in cheek about users abilities but I
>think we all know what I mean).
>
>David



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 21 11:25:21 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:25:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7807@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

This should be a touch faster than Gustav's as it only uses one function
call vs. five.

SELECT Table1.TT
FROM Table1
ORDER BY IsNumeric([tt]), Table1.TT;

Here's the (abridged) output...

000
000
001
001
002
002
003
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012
...
995
996
997
998
999
1A1
1a1
1B2
a23
ZZZ

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mitsules, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:13 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
> that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
> legend...cha cha cha"
> 
> Thank you sir,
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:
> 
> .. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> 
> > Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining 
> > records reverted back to the way it was before...
> 
> > 001
> > .
> > 009
> > 00A
> > .
> > 00Z
> > 010
> > .
> > Etc...
> 
> 
> 
> > Mark
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> 
> > Hi Mark
> 
> >> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
> >> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
> >> 01A.
> 
> > Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.
> 
> > This should do:
> 
> >   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> 
> > /gustav
> 
> 
> >> You could do this SQL
> 
> >>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC
> 
> >> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> Greetings,
> 
> >>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> >>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this 
> >>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before 
> >>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> >>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, 
> >>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 
> >>> into 7000000000.
> 
> >>> Example:
> >>> 000
> >>> 001
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>> 998
> >>> 999
> >>> 00A
> >>> 00B
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>> ZZZ
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 11:28:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:28:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <16235596795.20031021182859@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

You are welcome!

I knew about the "E" trap (say, 3E4 which is 30000) but I have never read about the
"D" trap which turns, say, 1D4 into 10000 (or 1E4).
It's easy to figure out it means 10^4 but where may that be
documented?? 

/gustav


> Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
> that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
> legend...cha cha cha"

> Thank you sir,


> Mark


From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 21 11:30:31 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:30:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123B6@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEKFHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Charlotte/Virginia,

 FYI I was just involved in another situation where Access hung at close.  A
DoCmd.Restore (I believe JC ran into this as well some time back for the
same reason) that involves a form with a subform.  With that one line of
code commented out, Access would exit fine.

 This should be appearing in the MSKB in the not too distant future as
Microsoft became involved and has the bug documented.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Stays Open


Access 2000 and XP are much less forgiving of undestroyed objects than
97.  Another difference is that a hidden form will keep the database
open when you try to quit, which is not the same behavior as 97.  Make
sure you explicitly destroy any object variables populated using the Set
keyword.  Also make sure that you use a full evaluation of things like
checkboxes in your code.  In other words, use

If Me.Checkbox = True Then

And not

If Me.Checkbox Then

Or else wrap the expression Me.Checkbox in parens to force an
evaluation.  Otherwise, Access can hang up on that issue as well.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open


I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the database, Access
remains open. Why is it doing this now? I seems to mostly happen when I
make some changes to the database.

Virginia
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 21 11:37:16 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:37:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7809@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I withdraw my suggestion. It does not handle nEn or nDn.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Heenan, Lambert [SMTP:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:25 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> This should be a touch faster than Gustav's as it only uses one function
> call vs. five.
> 
> SELECT Table1.TT
> FROM Table1
> ORDER BY IsNumeric([tt]), Table1.TT;
> 
> Here's the (abridged) output...
> 
> 000
> 000
> 001
> 001
> 002
> 002
> 003
> 004
> 005
> 006
> 007
> 008
> 009
> 010
> 011
> 012
> ...
> 995
> 996
> 997
> 998
> 999
> 1A1
> 1a1
> 1B2
> a23
> ZZZ
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Mitsules, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:13 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time
> ago
> > that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is
> a
> > legend...cha cha cha"
> > 
> > Thank you sir,
> > 
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Mark
> > 
> > Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:
> > 
> > .. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > > Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining 
> > > records reverted back to the way it was before...
> > 
> > > 001
> > > .
> > > 009
> > > 00A
> > > .
> > > 00Z
> > > 010
> > > .
> > > Etc...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Mark
> > 
> > >> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right 
> > >> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
> > >> 01A.
> > 
> > > Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.
> > 
> > > This should do:
> > 
> > >   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >> You could do this SQL
> > 
> > >>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > >> /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >>> Greetings,
> > 
> > >>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
> > >>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort
> this 
> > >>> text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order
> before 
> > >>> the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort 
> > >>> order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however,
> 
> > >>> Excel makes some startling decisions on its own...such as turning
> 7E9 
> > >>> into 7000000000.
> > 
> > >>> Example:
> > >>> 000
> > >>> 001
> > >>> .
> > >>> .
> > >>> 998
> > >>> 999
> > >>> 00A
> > >>> 00B
> > >>> .
> > >>> .
> > >>> ZZZ
> > 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 11:45:22 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:45:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEGFFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <018a01c397f2$b861e8d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Thank would be much appreciated.  I looked through it once and tried to do
the mod but failed.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


> I thought I'd modded his code and placed the modified version on my site.
> I'd have to look though.  I know I did modify it for my own use.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:50 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Andy:
>
> I use Tribble's relinker.  Is there a simple mod to his code which would
> accomplish this?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> > Absolutely endorse this. I've got a big MDB with lots of tables. It was
> > taking about 20 MINUTES to relink before I kept a pointer to the data
> > open. Now does it in 10-15 SECONDS. Massive difference.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Stuart Sanders
> > > Sent: 21 October 2003 11:06
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > >
> > >
> > > Not necessarily true...
> > >
> > > For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a
> > > multiuser backend, maintaining an open db connection to the
> > > db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5 minute relink operation
> > > without an open connection go down to 15 seconds with an open
> > > connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for
> > > each table to be relinked.
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
> > > > Andrew
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
> > > >
> > > > There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening
> > > > connections that I'm aware of.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > A
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear group,
> > > >
> > > > Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> > > > connection open shows the following figure.
> > > >
> > > > 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > > >      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
> > > >      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> > > > now 2 seconds
> > > >
> > > > 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
> > > >      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now
> > > 1 seconds
> > > >      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> > > > now 1 seconds
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections
> > > > after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> > > > those database
> > > > connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> > > > errors. But
> > > > reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> > > > currently use is
> > > >
> > > >    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
> > > >       Dim db as dao.databse
> > > >       Dim rs as dao.recordset
> > > >
> > > >       set db = currentdb()
> > > >
> > > >       > the works>
> > > >
> > > >       db.close
> > > >       rs.close
> > > >       set db = nothing
> > > >       set rs= nothing
> > > >    end function
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is
> > > it better to
> > > > dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> > > > function???????? so
> > > > in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
> > > >
> > > > Gr. marcel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Charlotte Foust"
> > > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > > > 20-10-2003 17:47:40
> > > >
> > > > Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >
> > > > Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > >       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > cc:
> > > >
> > > > Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name
> > > Autocorrect and
> > > > Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an
> > > > improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be
> > > turned off
> > > > in the backend.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear group,
> > > >
> > > > It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7
> > > > months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on
> > > so I would
> > > > like to ask
> > > > you the following.
> > > >
> > > > I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> > > > applications  distributed among several customers. All database use
> > > > DAO and have a FE
> > > >  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> > > >  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> > > >  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> > > > *  queries
> > > >  with only the data wich is used
> > > > - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> > > > eacht function
> > > > of module.
> > > > -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> > > > of work and I
> > > > do not know if i want to do this.
> > > >
> > > > But this all did not improved much.
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking about the following
> > > > - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> > > > performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am
> > > > missing something
> > > > - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> > > > controls on a
> > > > form. If I do this does this improve performance
> > > > - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> > > > of money and
> > > > the won?t be happy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions, ideas??
> > > > I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone
> > > experience, tips,
> > > > tricks in this.
> > > >
> > > > Thansk marcel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
> > > 19-10-2003
> > > > 06:32:54
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John - This article may be of benefit
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
> > > >
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> > > > microsoft.com: 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> > > > Move last, move
> > > > first. EOF and BOF are both false.
> > > >
> > > > Recordcount = -1
> > > >
> > > > What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
> > > >
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 21 11:59:33 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:59:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD780A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Last word on this?  May or may not be faster than Gustav's but it (looks)
simpler (to me!), and it handles the E and D problem as well as sorting 00A
after 999...

SELECT Table1.TT
FROM Table1
ORDER BY IsNumeric([tt]) And Mid([TT],2,1) Not In ("D","E"), Table1.TT;

which has two function calls and two Boolean operators, giving this
output...



996
997
998
999
00a
00A
1A1
1a1
1B2
1D4
1d4
1e4
1E4
2e3
3d4
a23
ZZZ

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mitsules, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:39 PM
> To:	'Heenan, Lambert'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> Thank you Lambert, but this is turning out to be a "one-off".  I've
> decided
> to take Gustav's resulting query and turn it into a make-table
> query...then,
> I'll just use the newly created autonumber field for sorting purposes.
> But,
> at first glance, I would be expecting 00A after 999 and before 1A1...did I
> miss something in your approach?
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Cc: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> 
> 
> This should be a touch faster than Gustav's as it only uses one function
> call vs. five.
> 
> SELECT Table1.TT
> FROM Table1
> ORDER BY IsNumeric([tt]), Table1.TT;
> 
> Here's the (abridged) output...
> 
> 000
> 000
> 001
> 001
> 002
> 002
> 003
> 004
> 005
> 006
> 007
> 008
> 009
> 010
> 011
> 012
> ...
> 995
> 996
> 997
> 998
> 999
> 1A1
> 1a1
> 1B2
> a23
> ZZZ
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Mitsules, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:13 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time 
> > ago that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like 
> > "Gustav is a legend...cha cha cha"
> > 
> > Thank you sir,
> > 
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Mark
> > 
> > Oh yeah, one more go to format leading zeroes:
> > 
> > .. Abs(StrComp(strVal, Right("00" & CStr(Val(strVal)), 3), 1))
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >> Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > > Hmm...on this iteration 100-999 sorted properly first, the remaining
> > > records reverted back to the way it was before...
> > 
> > > 001
> > > .
> > > 009
> > > 00A
> > > .
> > > 00Z
> > > 010
> > > .
> > > Etc...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:11 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Mark
> > 
> > >> Oooh...that is a little closer Gustav.  You must be on the right
> > >> track. That approach put 001 through 019 in order before jumping to 
> > >> 01A.
> > 
> > > Of course ... StrComp returns -1 for that 01A.
> > 
> > > This should do:
> > 
> > >   Order By Abs(StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1)) ASC, strVal 
> > > ASC
> > 
> > > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >> You could do this SQL
> > 
> > >>  .. Order By StrComp(strVal, Cstr(Val(strVal)), 1) ASC, strVal ASC
> > 
> > >> /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >>> Greetings,
> > 
> > >>> I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric 
> > >>> combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort 
> > >>> this text field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical 
> > >>> order before the remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed 
> > >>> in ASCII sort order.  Any suggestions?  I have tried to do this in 
> > >>> Excel, however, Excel makes some startling decisions on its 
> > >>> own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.
> > 
> > >>> Example:
> > >>> 000
> > >>> 001
> > >>> .
> > >>> .
> > >>> 998
> > >>> 999
> > >>> 00A
> > >>> 00B
> > >>> .
> > >>> .
> > >>> ZZZ
> > 
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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Oct 21 12:08:37 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:08:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC6590B@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Excellent!  Thank you.

Paula Wright


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:19:12 -0400
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access XP
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c397e6$b0b303a0$6001a8c0 at dejpolsys>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

...uninstall the OfficeXP version ...then install OfficeXP Developer which
includes Office XP + Access + the developer utilities ...you can install
Developer over an existing Office but the chances of getting a bad install
are, ime, much higher ...HTH :)

William Hindman
"How can there possibly be liberty and justice for all,
when, in the name of justice, people claim rights to income,
food, housing, education, health care, transportation, ad
infinitum? We can't. Positive rights to receive such things,
absent an obligation to earn them, must violate others' liberty,
by taking some of their income without their consent. They are
really just wishes, convertible into benefits for some only by
employing the government to violate others' rights not to have
what is theirs taken." --Prof. Gary Galles of Pepperdine University



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 21 12:17:52 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:17:52 -0700
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
References: <OF52068BDA.632970D7-ONC1256DC6.0036D25E@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <3F956A40.7020404@shaw.ca>

 CurrentDb returns a *copy* of DBEngine(0)(0).  If you don't assign it 
to an object variable and then use that object, you're in danger of it 
going out of scope - thus invalidating any object that
points to it.
Actually, CurrentDb is somewhat inefficient because it validates all the
existing objects to create the copy.  This can be measurably slower than
just referencing DBEngine(0)(0) in databases that have thousands of objects.
I tend to use CurrentDb a lot because I'm lazy.  But in most cases, I'm
establishing a database object that the procedure references many times
(opening recordsets and the like).
However if you use wizards, access opens DBEngine(0)(1) and things can 
go a little awry.
Larry Linson had a long series of posts on this in 
comp.databases.ms-access a few years back on all the qualifications.

if you replace use of your persistent variable with a function
that returns an object of type database, and that passes a
reference to a persistent variable, you don't have to worry about
re-initializing your persistent variable (this was Michael Kaplan's
solution):

  Global dbCurr As DAO.Database

  Public Function dbCurrent() As DAO.Database
    If dbCurr Is Nothing Then
       Set dbCurr = CurrentDB()
    End If
    Set dbCurrent = dbCurr
  End Function

Then in code, you simply use dbCurrent ever time you would call
DBEngine(0)(0) or CurrentDB() or in place of any database
variables. Instead of:

  Dim tdf As TableDef

  For Each tdf in DBEngine(0)(0).TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  For Each tdf in CurrentDB().TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Dim db As DAO.Database

  Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
  For Each tdf in db.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set db = CurrentDB()
  For Each tdf in db.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set tdf = Nothing

you would use:

  Dim tdf As TableDef

  For Each tdf in dbCurrent.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set tdf = Nothing

You don't have to worry about anything at all. You will initialize
the global variable only when you need to, and the reference
returned will always be guaranteed to be accurate.


marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl wrote:

>Andrew,
>
>I noticed:-). I've got some work to do........
>Just a question. Can I declare the DB and current db globaly in a module or
>do I have to declare it in every class/module seperate?
>
>Thanks, marcel
>
>
>
>
>"Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>@databaseadvisors.com op
>21-10-2003 11:39:22
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
>I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
>There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening connections
>that I'm aware of.
>
>Cheers,
>A
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
>Dear group,
>
>Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
>connection open shows the following figure.
>
>10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>    Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>    Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds
>
>100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>    Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>    Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds
>
>
>In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections after
>use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those database
>connections open at a certain time the database gives memory errors. But
>reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
>currently use is
>
>   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>     Dim db as dao.databse
>     Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>     set db = currentdb()
>
>     > the works>
>
>     db.close
>     rs.close
>     set db = nothing
>     set rs= nothing
>   end function
>
>
>So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to dim
>the db as global-public variable and use this in each function???????? so
>in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
>Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
>20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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>
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>Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>     <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
>Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an improvement
>in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in the backend.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Dear group,
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
>took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
>you the following.
>
>I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
> distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
> and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
> performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
> - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
> with only the data wich is used
>- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
>of module.
>-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
>do not know if i want to do this.
>
>But this all did not improved much.
>
>I am thinking about the following
>- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
>performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
>something
>- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
>form. If I do this does this improve performance
>- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
>the won?t be happy.
>Any suggestions, ideas??
>I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
>tricks in this.
>
>Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>"dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
>06:32:54
>
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>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
>John - This article may be of benefit
>Dave
>
>PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
>
>80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, move
>first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
>Recordcount = -1
>
>What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 12:27:48 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:27:48 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
In-Reply-To: <3F956A40.7020404@shaw.ca>
References: <OF52068BDA.632970D7-ONC1256DC6.0036D25E@achmea.nl>
 <3F956A40.7020404@shaw.ca>
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Hi Marty

> You don't have to worry about anything at all. You will initialize
> the global variable only when you need to, and the reference
> returned will always be guaranteed to be accurate.

Except when you make changes to, say, the TableDefs collection ...

Using DBEngine(0)(0) all you need is a Refresh but with a static
dbCurrent you'll get toasted.

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 12:38:45 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:38:45 -0700
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123BF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Remember though that DBEngine is faster but then you have to force a refresh to see the most current data.  CurrentDb refreshes automatically, which is one reason it's slower.  If you factor in the refresh, the speed is about comparable for either method.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


 CurrentDb returns a *copy* of DBEngine(0)(0).  If you don't assign it 
to an object variable and then use that object, you're in danger of it 
going out of scope - thus invalidating any object that
points to it.
Actually, CurrentDb is somewhat inefficient because it validates all the existing objects to create the copy.  This can be measurably slower than just referencing DBEngine(0)(0) in databases that have thousands of objects. I tend to use CurrentDb a lot because I'm lazy.  But in most cases, I'm establishing a database object that the procedure references many times (opening recordsets and the like). However if you use wizards, access opens DBEngine(0)(1) and things can 
go a little awry.
Larry Linson had a long series of posts on this in 
comp.databases.ms-access a few years back on all the qualifications.

if you replace use of your persistent variable with a function that returns an object of type database, and that passes a reference to a persistent variable, you don't have to worry about re-initializing your persistent variable (this was Michael Kaplan's
solution):

  Global dbCurr As DAO.Database

  Public Function dbCurrent() As DAO.Database
    If dbCurr Is Nothing Then
       Set dbCurr = CurrentDB()
    End If
    Set dbCurrent = dbCurr
  End Function

Then in code, you simply use dbCurrent ever time you would call
DBEngine(0)(0) or CurrentDB() or in place of any database variables. Instead of:

  Dim tdf As TableDef

  For Each tdf in DBEngine(0)(0).TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  For Each tdf in CurrentDB().TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Dim db As DAO.Database

  Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
  For Each tdf in db.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set db = CurrentDB()
  For Each tdf in db.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set tdf = Nothing

you would use:

  Dim tdf As TableDef

  For Each tdf in dbCurrent.TableDefs
   ...
  Next tdf

  Set tdf = Nothing

You don't have to worry about anything at all. You will initialize the global variable only when you need to, and the reference returned will always be guaranteed to be accurate.


marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl wrote:

>Andrew,
>
>I noticed:-). I've got some work to do........
>Just a question. Can I declare the DB and current db globaly in a 
>module or do I have to declare it in every class/module seperate?
>
>Thanks, marcel
>
>
>
>
>"Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>@databaseadvisors.com op 
>21-10-2003 11:39:22
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
>I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
>There is negligible performance loss in closing and re-opening 
>connections that I'm aware of.
>
>Cheers,
>A
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
>Dear group,
>
>Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the 
>connection open shows the following figure.
>
>10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>    Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>    Reading a order table               was 7 seconds       now 2 seconds
>
>100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>    Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>    Reading a order table               was 2 seconds       now 1 seconds
>
>
>In the replies someone asked why I closed all database connections 
>after use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep those 
>database connections open at a certain time the database gives memory 
>errors. But reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The 
>structure I currently use is
>
>   Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>     Dim db as dao.databse
>     Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>     set db = currentdb()
>
>     > the works>
>
>     db.close
>     rs.close
>     set db = nothing
>     set rs= nothing
>   end function
>
>
>So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it better to 
>dim the db as global-public variable and use this in each 
>function???????? so in each function i can remove the Dim db and 
>close.db???
>
>Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 
>20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>     <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>     <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and 
>Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see an 
>improvement in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off 
>in the backend.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Dear group,
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 
>months) took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would 
>like to ask you the following.
>
>I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 
>applications  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO 
>and have a FE  and BE. It works fine but know customers start 
>complaining about  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I 
>have
> - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
> with only the data wich is used
>- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht function
>of module.
>-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and I
>do not know if i want to do this.
>
>But this all did not improved much.
>
>I am thinking about the following
>- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve 
>performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am 
>missing something
>- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on 
>a form. If I do this does this improve performance
>- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money 
>and the won?t be happy. Any suggestions, ideas??
>I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
>tricks in this.
>
>Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>"dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003 
>06:32:54
>
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>
>Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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>cc:
>
>Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
>John - This article may be of benefit
>Dave
>
>PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft
>.com:
>
>80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records. Move last, 
>move first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
>Recordcount = -1
>
>What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Oct 21 13:07:14 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <11234023102.20031021180245@cactus.dk>
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I don't understand y it crashes. I thought about creating a macro in CSV
file that would convert format from 19871002 to 10021987, and then
transfer data to Access to throug access original transfer fields, but
that gets in the way of fiels such as "Mgr, International" that use coma.

This program seems to solve coma proble, but not apostraphe problem :--)

Private Sub Command14_Click()

 MsgBox ("hey")
 Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord
Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer

Set db = CurrentDb


If fs.FileExists("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars testing\trainFROM.csv") Then
    Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("U:\Users\HRIS\oleg\cars
testing\trainFROM.csv", ForReading)

    Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream

        strLine = ts.ReadLine
       'strLine = Replace(strLine, """, " ") 'need to replace " with space
       strLine = Replace(strLine, ",", vbTab)

        aRecord = Split(strLine, vbTab)
        aRecord(8) = Mid(aRecord(8), 5) & Left(aRecord(8), 4)


        'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(2),
"'", "''") & "','" & Replace01(aRecord(3), "'", "''") & "','" &
Replace01(aRecord(4), "'", "''") & "')"
       'strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(2),
Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(3), Chr(39),
Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" & Replace(aRecord(4), Chr(39), Chr(39) +
Chr(39)) & "')"
        strSQL = "INSERT into Table1Testing(a, b, c,d,e) Values(" & "'" &
aRecord(0) & "','" & aRecord(1) & "','" &
Replace(CStr(aRecord(2)), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" &
Replace(CStr(aRecord(3)), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "','" &
Replace(CStr(aRecord(4)), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) & "')"

        Debug.Print strSQL
        CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL)

    Loop
Else
     MsgBox ("file doesn't exist")
End If
    MsgBox ("end")
End Sub
-----------------------------------------------------------



> Hi Oleg
>
> And what do the other records look like?
>
> /gustav
>
>> I don't think this will ever. Ok it doesn't give my ByRef error
>> anymore, it just crashes every time around the record 144 (??) All
>> other transfer forms work fine exsept in this in the original someone
>> jut had to put date in format 19860102....
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 21 13:13:55 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:13:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Upsize wizard in A2K
In-Reply-To: <200310211624.h9LGOI627178@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021130054.02600be8@pop3.highstream.net>

Mark,

It should be able to do it.  It maybe the setting for DRI on teh SQL Server 
side that is causing the problem.  I have not used the wizard in a long 
time because of the way it names things and the amount of fixing I have to 
do after it does its thing.  I prefer to get in there and get the foreign 
key, constraints, and so on named to a specific convention.  I use ERWin to 
move the structure from Access to SQL Server, Oracle, etc.  It is a high 
end entity relationship modeling tool.

If you want, send the empty database to me and I can reverse engineer it 
into ERWin and send you the DDL for SQL Server for it.

Robert

At 11:24 AM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:07:48 -0500
>From: "Mark Whittinghill" <mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard in A2K
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <006d01c397e5$17d8e060$2501a8c0 at PASCAL>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hi all,
>
>    I am using the A2K upsize wizard to SQL Server 2000.  It won't let me
>upsize cascade deletes in relationships, though SQL Server 2000 has that.
>I'm using SP-3 of Office 2K.  Is there anything I can do to upsize these, or
>do I need to reset those manually after upsizing.  If so, does A2002 upsize
>cascade deletes?
>
>Thanks
>
>Mark Whittinghill
>Symphony Information Services
>763-391-7400
>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue Oct 21 13:25:39 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:25:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0528@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Just got a new PC and now I've got to see what our setup guy left out.  First found (not found rather) is the ADO 2.6 help file (or any ADO help file for that matter).  I tried downloading and installing MDAC 2.6 but pressing F1 while the cursor is on the ADODB.Connection declaration tells me the file does not exist.  I tried downloading ado260.chm from a couple of sites but Access is still not recognizing them and opening the chm file directly shows the help file start page but no search results for any text entered.  Does anyone know how to get the ADO help files installed and recognized by Access (97)?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 13:30:02 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:30:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Documenting a Database
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509E017093@energys1.energy.local>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV36q8QTiFQOd00007b1d@hotmail.com>

Hi Everyone!

I have a question that may have been mentioned before, but I honestly don't
remember seeing it anywhere for a long time.

I have a secured (via Access's security) database, with FE and BE, which I
need to fully document.  Yes, you can use the built in Documenter for all
the definitions of forms, etc., and it provides a lengthy, but complete,
definition of everything.  However, to have someone look at it without a
thorough explanation from myself, the Documenter's information tends to be,
how should I say this, uhhh, useless.

I would like to be able to show how all the forms are related through the
various menu's, table relationships with regard to forms and reports, etc.
Generally information that would give a person a reasonably good idea of how
it's laid out pictorially (pictures are worth a thousand words, you know...)
so when examining the underlying code, a person could better understand how
everything interacts.

Hmm.  Maybe I need it for ME...<vbg>...too.

Of course, cost enters the picture too.  I'd like something FREE, but
usually when you get something FREE, functionality becomes very very
limited.  Free and useless won't help me much.  Take the built in Documenter
for example...;)

This Database is currently written in A97, but will soon be migrated into
AXP.  However, I guess the documenting will apply in either case similarly.

Does anyone know of a program or utility that does this?  Or even comes
close to it?

Thanks!

Greg Smith
Weeden1949 at hotmail.com

From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 21 13:31:50 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:31:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <200310211624.h9LGOI627178@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021131632.025f1878@pop3.highstream.net>

Guys,

Just a thought, why not limit it using 2 different queries.
The first one would hold the numerics sorted correctly.
The second one would hold the alphanumerics sorted correctly.
Then, do a union between them.  There is nothing you can
do that will cause it to sort the way you are looking at
within one query.

SELECT *
FROM TT
WHERE Asc(Mid(TheField)) < 64
ORDER BY TheField

And

SELECT *
FROM TT
WHERE Asc(Mid(TheField)) > 64
ORDER BY TheField

Then:

SELECT * from Query1
UNION ALL
SELECT * FROM Query2

This should work in theory.

Robert

At 11:24 AM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:26:32 -0500
>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273AA at main2.marlow.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Do a double sort.  Create another field, which is the VAL of your data.
>Sort that descending, and if the val=0 then set it to 1000, that put's it
>after the other numeric numbers, then sort alphabetically.
>
>Drew



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 13:32:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:32:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Replace Function
In-Reply-To: <24009.12.3.132.98.1066759634.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F75F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <19043.12.3.132.98.1066742868.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <9325617646.20031021154240@cactus.dk>
 <32246.12.3.132.98.1066745682.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <16928143718.20031021162446@cactus.dk>
 <15746.12.3.132.98.1066747080.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <3230373214.20031021170155@cactus.dk>
 <34615.12.3.132.98.1066751542.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <11234023102.20031021180245@cactus.dk>
 <24009.12.3.132.98.1066759634.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <12443017756.20031021203240@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

There's no easy solution to this. Either manual editing is needed or
let your function ignore records in error, then try to locate the
records in error afterwards and correct manually.

/gustav


> I don't understand y it crashes. I thought about creating a macro in CSV
> file that would convert format from 19871002 to 10021987, and then
> transfer data to Access to throug access original transfer fields, but
> that gets in the way of fiels such as "Mgr, International" that use coma.


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Tue Oct 21 13:38:02 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:08:02 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB89A@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <016801c39802$9889f380$e2edf73d@winxp>

Mark,

    Could you kindly try the following and let me know -

    Let table T_Sort have a field SVAL (text type), containing  the alphanumeric values. In query design window, create two fields: 
    (a) First field named F1(calculated field) with the formula -
F1: IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL], 2,1)), "A","B")
    (b) Second field  SVAL
    Sort order for both fields may be set to ascending.

    SQL string for the above query is given below -

SELECT IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B") AS F1, T_Sort.SVAL
FROM T_Sort
ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B"), T_Sort.SVAL
WITH OWNERACCESS OPTION;

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mitsules, Mark 
  To: '[AccessD]' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 19:28
  Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


  Greetings,

  I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
  combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
  field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
  remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
  suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
  startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

  Example:
  000
  001
  .
  .
  998
  999
  00A
  00B
  .
  .
  ZZZ


  Mark Mitsules
  Senior Designer
  Department E13
  Submarine Electrical Engineering
  Northrop Grumman Newport News
  757.380.3376


From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 13:39:34 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:39:34 -0600
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <Sea2-F7kcDj6QqW9F0q00001859@hotmail.com>

Even worse, if you refresh the global while a procedure in the call stack 
uses the same global and there has been a change in the collections, you are 
open to some bizarre results.  Running a Workspaces transaction in 97 seems 
to leave a previously initialized global database variable as an object but 
not pointing to a database.  I had to rewrite a fair bit of old code when I 
started using transactions since I was getting errors from using a global 
database object.  For my first couple of years with Access I was quite happy 
with a Global database variable, the performance it provided, and the fact 
that I didn't need to dimension, open, close and set to nothing in a great 
many procedures.  I never did find out exactly why transactions caused me so 
much difficulty and it is possible it was merely because I didn't start with 
a separate database object.  That experience did awaken my awareness of the 
potential consequences of nested procedures potentially resetting a variable 
alive and in use in another which is of course, the basis for most 
objections to Global variables.  I never did finally determine the exact 
cause of the wayward database objects as I saw the advantage of 
circumventing the issue sooner than I could determine the cause.

Hen


>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:27:48 +0200
>
>Hi Marty
>
> > You don't have to worry about anything at all. You will initialize
> > the global variable only when you need to, and the reference
> > returned will always be guaranteed to be accurate.
>
>Except when you make changes to, say, the TableDefs collection ...
>
>Using DBEngine(0)(0) all you need is a Refresh but with a static
>dbCurrent you'll get toasted.
>
>/gustav

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 21 13:58:19 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:58:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Documenting a Database
In-Reply-To: <BAY8-DAV36q8QTiFQOd00007b1d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMECLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Greg:
There are a number of utilities for this, some are free. You should be able
to google them up. I use FMS Total Access Analyzer. It has features galore
and they offer tech support via their public FMS forums.

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Greg Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Documenting a Database
>
>
> Hi Everyone!
>
> I have a question that may have been mentioned before, but I
> honestly don't
> remember seeing it anywhere for a long time.
>
> I have a secured (via Access's security) database, with FE and BE, which I
> need to fully document.  Yes, you can use the built in Documenter for all
> the definitions of forms, etc., and it provides a lengthy, but complete,
> definition of everything.  However, to have someone look at it without a
> thorough explanation from myself, the Documenter's information
> tends to be,
> how should I say this, uhhh, useless.
>
> I would like to be able to show how all the forms are related through the
> various menu's, table relationships with regard to forms and reports, etc.
> Generally information that would give a person a reasonably good
> idea of how
> it's laid out pictorially (pictures are worth a thousand words,
> you know...)
> so when examining the underlying code, a person could better
> understand how
> everything interacts.
>
> Hmm.  Maybe I need it for ME...<vbg>...too.
>
> Of course, cost enters the picture too.  I'd like something FREE, but
> usually when you get something FREE, functionality becomes very very
> limited.  Free and useless won't help me much.  Take the built in
> Documenter
> for example...;)
>
> This Database is currently written in A97, but will soon be migrated into
> AXP.  However, I guess the documenting will apply in either case
> similarly.
>
> Does anyone know of a program or utility that does this?  Or even comes
> close to it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg Smith
> Weeden1949 at hotmail.com
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From fbtanner at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 14:18:56 2003
From: fbtanner at yahoo.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
Message-ID: <20031021191856.52652.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
Marketing department has tasked me with creating a
database/questionnaire for our customers.

In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
has a specific customer number, however, based upon
how many items that they purchased on their most
recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.

My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
Obviously, their customer info should be the same.

Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you.

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 21 14:19:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:19:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
Message-ID: <20031021191904.52695.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
Marketing department has tasked me with creating a
database/questionnaire for our customers.

In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
has a specific customer number, however, based upon
how many items that they purchased on their most
recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.

My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
Obviously, their customer info should be the same.

Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you.

From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 21 14:22:38 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:22:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C80@EXCHMAIL>

Mark, how about:

SELECT Table1.Field1
FROM Table1
ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([Field1]),0,1), Table1.Field1;


IT gives me:

Field1
000
001
002
003
004
005
006
007
008
009
998
999
00A
00B
ZZZ

-----Original Message-----

  From: Mitsules, Mark 
  To: '[AccessD]' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 19:28
  Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


  Greetings,

  I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
  combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
  field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
  remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
  suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
  startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

  Example:
  000
  001
  .
  .
  998
  999
  00A
  00B
  .
  .
  ZZZ


  Mark Mitsules

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 14:28:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:28:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A4@nnse14.nns.com>

A.D.Tejpal,

Yes, this approach works.  Well done:)


Thank you,

Mark
(Although it is not an issue, it is too bad I don't have a timer utility
built to test the solutions that work.)





-----Original Message-----
From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


Mark,

    Could you kindly try the following and let me know -

    Let table T_Sort have a field SVAL (text type), containing  the
alphanumeric values. In query design window, create two fields: 
    (a) First field named F1(calculated field) with the formula -
F1: IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL], 2,1)), "A","B")
    (b) Second field  SVAL
    Sort order for both fields may be set to ascending.

    SQL string for the above query is given below -

SELECT IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B") AS F1,
T_Sort.SVAL FROM T_Sort ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And
IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B"), T_Sort.SVAL WITH OWNERACCESS OPTION;

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mitsules, Mark 
  To: '[AccessD]' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 19:28
  Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


  Greetings,

  I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
  combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
  field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
  remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
  suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
  startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

  Example:
  000
  001
  .
  .
  998
  999
  00A
  00B
  .
  .
  ZZZ


  Mark Mitsules
  Senior Designer
  Department E13
  Submarine Electrical Engineering
  Northrop Grumman Newport News
  757.380.3376

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From shait at mindspring.com  Tue Oct 21 14:48:25 2003
From: shait at mindspring.com (Stephen Hait)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:48:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
In-Reply-To: <20031021191904.52695.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F955549.424.8E1D4F3@localhost>


> In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
> has a specific customer number, however, based upon
> how many items that they purchased on their most
> recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
> times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
> time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.
> 
> My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
> multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
> of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
> Obviously, their customer info should be the same.

One thought is to use queries to create 2 new tables. One could 
contain customer id and info and include one row for each 
distinct customer. The other could contain the items purchased 
with one row for every item along with the customer id stored in 
the customer table. 

This might resolve your issue and the result would be a more 
normalized way of storing the data (i.e., you would not have the 
customer info repeated as it sounds like you do now.)

HTH,
Stephen

From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 14:48:59 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:48:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F105ljBOh8s4KW00020af2@hotmail.com>

Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the table 
itself, from number to text?

Thanks,
Gina

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Oct 21 14:52:51 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:52:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71AF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

This is mostlyu due to not properly closing object (recordset etc...) in
your code.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Andy Lacey
Verzonden: dinsdag 21 oktober 2003 17:34
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Access Stays Open


Virginia
Could it be this?

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;246953&Product=a
cc

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: 21 October 2003 13:01
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Stays Open
> 
> 
> I just converted my databases to A2K. When I close the
> database, Access remains open. Why is it doing this now? I 
> seems to mostly happen when I make some changes to the database.
> 
> Virginia
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 15:12:47 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:12:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A7@nnse14.nns.com>

Frank,

Do the purchases or number of purchase have any bearing on the number or
types of questions in the questionnaire?  I'm curious why you are dealing
with sales detail records.  It seems like you should have access to the
"Customers" table...or at least a copy or subset of that table.



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:fbtanner at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:19 PM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question


Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
Marketing department has tasked me with creating a database/questionnaire
for our customers.

In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
has a specific customer number, however, based upon
how many items that they purchased on their most
recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.

My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
Obviously, their customer info should be the same.

Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly appreciated.  Thank
you. _______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Oct 21 15:20:57 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:20:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Upsize wizard in A2K
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031021130054.02600be8@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <003501c39810$d6b63570$2501a8c0@PASCAL>

The DRI looks fine to me on the SQL Server side.  I only upsized the table
structure and am using DTS to import the data.  This is kind of a one-off,
so it's quicker to finish it manually with what I know.  Thanks for the
offer, but I already have the structure done and am in the middle of the
imports.  I'll look into ERWin, though, cuz I'm going to be doing more of
this in the future.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
763-391-7400
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: <mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Upsize wizard in A2K


> Mark,
>
> It should be able to do it.  It maybe the setting for DRI on teh SQL
Server
> side that is causing the problem.  I have not used the wizard in a long
> time because of the way it names things and the amount of fixing I have to
> do after it does its thing.  I prefer to get in there and get the foreign
> key, constraints, and so on named to a specific convention.  I use ERWin
to
> move the structure from Access to SQL Server, Oracle, etc.  It is a high
> end entity relationship modeling tool.
>
> If you want, send the empty database to me and I can reverse engineer it
> into ERWin and send you the DDL for SQL Server for it.
>
> Robert
>
> At 11:24 AM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:07:48 -0500
> >From: "Mark Whittinghill" <mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard in A2K
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID: <006d01c397e5$17d8e060$2501a8c0 at PASCAL>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >    I am using the A2K upsize wizard to SQL Server 2000.  It won't let me
> >upsize cascade deletes in relationships, though SQL Server 2000 has that.
> >I'm using SP-3 of Office 2K.  Is there anything I can do to upsize these,
or
> >do I need to reset those manually after upsizing.  If so, does A2002
upsize
> >cascade deletes?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Mark Whittinghill
> >Symphony Information Services
> >763-391-7400
> >mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 21 15:20:53 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:20:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
In-Reply-To: <3F955549.424.8E1D4F3@localhost>
Message-ID: <20031021202053.38832.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

This would work, except that I have to fill a single
text box/memo field with this combined information.

The Form that this has to go into is a "paper
questionnaire" form replacement.  Meaning they have to
read and fill out various pieces of information on it,
just as if they were filling out a paper form.  The
field in question, they will be reading back to a
customer the list of products they have recently
purchased.  Such as, " Hello Mr. So and So.  I see you
have recently purchased boogers and snot from us
recently.  Were you satisafied with the products and
services that we provided you?  If not, please tell me
why not."  Where boogers and snot were the items that
they purchased.  Each of these would have a seperate
record in the table tied to the same customer number
and invoice number.

--- Stephen Hait <shait at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> > In the data that I am going to be given, each
> customer
> > has a specific customer number, however, based
> upon
> > how many items that they purchased on their most
> > recent invoice, they might be in the table
> multiple
> > times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
> > time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.
> > 
> > My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
> > multiple entries into a single entry concatinating
> all
> > of the non-matching data.  Such as items
> purchased. 
> > Obviously, their customer info should be the same.
> 
> One thought is to use queries to create 2 new
> tables. One could 
> contain customer id and info and include one row for
> each 
> distinct customer. The other could contain the items
> purchased 
> with one row for every item along with the customer
> id stored in 
> the customer table. 
> 
> This might resolve your issue and the result would
> be a more 
> normalized way of storing the data (i.e., you would
> not have the 
> customer info repeated as it sounds like you do
> now.)
> 
> HTH,
> Stephen
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 15:26:30 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:26:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A8@nnse14.nns.com>

> Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the
table itself, from number to text?



I found this post...hope it helps (and is correct...).


Mark

-----------------------------------------
From: Van T. Dinh     
Date: 08-07-03 15:01
Subject: Re: Access field.type change    
-----------------------------------------
IIRC, even when you change the Field Type through the GUI, Access / Jet
actually creates a new Field, updates the new Field with converted values
from the old Field, delete old Field and then re-name the new Field to the
old name.

Thus if you want to change the Field Type by code, you will have to follow
the same process.

--
HTH
Van T. Dinh
MVP (Access)
-----------------------------------------

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 21 15:30:31 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A7@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <20031021203031.40450.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

No.  There are only two questionnaires.  Active
customers and inactive customers.

Anyone that has purchased within the last 12 months in
an active customer.  Anything over that is an
inactive.

The forms themselves are not dynamic in which
questions they ask.  The only dynamic part of the form
is the contact information and the items that they
purchased.  Which is what we're trying to distill down
to one record per customer.

A customer may have purchased one, two, three, or more
items in their last purchased.  The program (SAP) that
is used o invoice the customers creates a distinct row
for each item purchased, but the customer info and the
invoice number all match.  So, based on the customer
info and the invoice number I need to distill all
records, for that particular purchase, into one record
with the non-matching items, like the purchased items
descriptions, concatenated into one field in the
record.

Basically, turn.

Joe   11911     vaccuum
Joe   11911     cleaner
Joe   11911     duster

Into....

Joe   11911     vacuum, duster, cleaner

--- "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com> wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> Do the purchases or number of purchase have any
> bearing on the number or
> types of questions in the questionnaire?  I'm
> curious why you are dealing
> with sales detail records.  It seems like you should
> have access to the
> "Customers" table...or at least a copy or subset of
> that table.
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:fbtanner at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:19 PM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
> 
> 
> Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
> Marketing department has tasked me with creating a
> database/questionnaire
> for our customers.
> 
> In the data that I am going to be given, each
> customer
> has a specific customer number, however, based upon
> how many items that they purchased on their most
> recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
> times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
> time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.
> 
> My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
> multiple entries into a single entry concatinating
> all
> of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
> Obviously, their customer info should be the same.
> 
> Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank
> you. _______________________________________________
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 15:36:03 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:36:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F125C5EtrUVYKk00020a48@hotmail.com>

Thank you, Mark.  I must have used the wrong words in my archive search.  I 
think the solution offered in Van's post is the way I'll have to go.

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


>Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the
table itself, from number to text?



I found this post...hope it helps (and is correct...).


Mark

-----------------------------------------
From: Van T. Dinh
Date: 08-07-03 15:01
Subject: Re: Access field.type change
-----------------------------------------
IIRC, even when you change the Field Type through the GUI, Access / Jet 
actually creates a new Field, updates the new Field with converted values 
from the old Field, delete old Field and then re-name the new Field to the 
old name.

Thus if you want to change the Field Type by code, you will have to follow 
the same process.

--
HTH
Van T. Dinh
MVP (Access)
-----------------------------------------

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 15:44:19 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:44:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A9@nnse14.nns.com>

Sorry Gina, I didn't mean to imply that it came from our archives.  That
post was found here: http://dbforums.com/t876014.html during a Google search
over the entire web.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:36 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


Thank you, Mark.  I must have used the wrong words in my archive search.  I 
think the solution offered in Van's post is the way I'll have to go.

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


>Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the
table itself, from number to text?



I found this post...hope it helps (and is correct...).


Mark

-----------------------------------------
From: Van T. Dinh
Date: 08-07-03 15:01
Subject: Re: Access field.type change
-----------------------------------------
IIRC, even when you change the Field Type through the GUI, Access / Jet 
actually creates a new Field, updates the new Field with converted values 
from the old Field, delete old Field and then re-name the new Field to the 
old name.

Thus if you want to change the Field Type by code, you will have to follow 
the same process.

--
HTH
Van T. Dinh
MVP (Access)
-----------------------------------------

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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 15:54:15 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:54:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing
In-Reply-To: <24009.12.3.132.98.1066759634.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <20031021205415.9895.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com>

Good Afternoon,
 
I have the following code in Access XP, behind a button.  I am trying to print the screen to the default printer in landscape.
 
Dim rpt As Printer
    
    Application.Printer = Application.Printers(0)
    
    With rpt
        .BottomMargin = 720
        .Copies = 1
        .Duplex = acPRDPVertical 'Double sided
        .PaperBin = acPRBNLargeCapacity
        .Orientation = acPRORPortrait
    End With
    DoCmd.PrintOut acPrintAll, 1, 1, acHigh, 1, True
    Set Application.Printer = Nothing
 
I get the error "Object with Block Variable not set " on the .BottomMargin line.
 
Does any one know how to fix this?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 21 15:55:51 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:55:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F31zLfyBeVEI6e00010a94@hotmail.com>

Oh good, that makes me feel better. :)

Gina


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


Sorry Gina, I didn't mean to imply that it came from our archives.  That 
post was found here: http://dbforums.com/t876014.html during a Google search 
over the entire web.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:36 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code


Thank you, Mark.  I must have used the wrong words in my archive search.  I
think the solution offered in Van's post is the way I'll have to go.

Gina

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Oct 21 16:08:23 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:08:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Sorting Alpha-Numerics - SOLVED:
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8AA@nnse14.nns.com>

Three approaches were presented that worked according to my criteria.  All 3
were 'one query' solutions.  No speed comparisons were run between them.

---------------------------------
PROBLEM
---------------------------------
I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.


---------------------------------
SOLUTIONS
---------------------------------
Gustav Brock:
SELECT tblCodes.fldCode
FROM tblCodes
ORDER BY abs(StrComp(tblCodes.fldCode, Right("00" &
Cstr(Val(tblCodes.fldCode)), 3), 1)), tblCodes.fldCode;


A.D.Tejpal:
SELECT IIf(IsNumeric([fldCode]) And IsNumeric(Mid([fldCode],2,1)),"A","B")
AS F1, tblCodes.fldCode
FROM tblCodes
ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([fldCode]) And
IsNumeric(Mid([fldCode],2,1)),"A","B"), tblCodes.fldCode
WITH OWNERACCESS OPTION;


Lambert Heenan:
SELECT tblCodes.fldCode
FROM tblCodes
ORDER BY IsNumeric([fldCode]) And Mid([fldCode],2,1) Not In ("D","E"),
tblCodes.fldCode;
---------------------------------

From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Oct 21 16:26:23 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:26:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A8@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEMDEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Based on our work on the Back End Upgrader, in order to change a data type
thru code you will need to create a new field, move the data to the new
field, delete the original field, and rename the new field.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
>
>
> > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in the
> table itself, from number to text?
>
>
>
> I found this post...hope it helps (and is correct...).
>
>
> Mark
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: Van T. Dinh
> Date: 08-07-03 15:01
> Subject: Re: Access field.type change
> -----------------------------------------
> IIRC, even when you change the Field Type through the GUI, Access / Jet
> actually creates a new Field, updates the new Field with converted values
> from the old Field, delete old Field and then re-name the new Field to the
> old name.
>
> Thus if you want to change the Field Type by code, you will have to follow
> the same process.
>
> --
> HTH
> Van T. Dinh
> MVP (Access)
> -----------------------------------------
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 16:46:17 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:46:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3E9@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Just a couple of observations.  You dim rpt as printer but you never
populate the object variable, so I'm not surprised by the error you're
getting.  It's absolutely factual - you haven't set the rpt as any
object, you just declared it.  Duplexing printers generally do not allow
a 1/2" bottom margin because they use a wider margin in order to grab
the paper.  You appear to be setting the orientation to portrait, not
landscape and the margin affected by duplexing is at the bottom of the
portrait page (right margin in landscape).

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing


Good Afternoon,
 
I have the following code in Access XP, behind a button.  I am trying to
print the screen to the default printer in landscape.
 
Dim rpt As Printer
    
    Application.Printer = Application.Printers(0)
    
    With rpt
        .BottomMargin = 720
        .Copies = 1
        .Duplex = acPRDPVertical 'Double sided
        .PaperBin = acPRBNLargeCapacity
        .Orientation = acPRORPortrait
    End With
    DoCmd.PrintOut acPrintAll, 1, 1, acHigh, 1, True
    Set Application.Printer = Nothing
 
I get the error "Object with Block Variable not set " on the
.BottomMargin line.
 
Does any one know how to fix this?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 21 17:02:27 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:02:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Heck of an Access Question
In-Reply-To: <20031021191904.52695.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F963993.16497.1F5221@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 12:19, Frank Tanner III wrote:

> Ok.  I have a doozy of a problem this time.  My
> Marketing department has tasked me with creating a
> database/questionnaire for our customers.
> 
> In the data that I am going to be given, each customer
> has a specific customer number, however, based upon
> how many items that they purchased on their most
> recent invoice, they might be in the table multiple
> times.  If they purchased one item, they're in one
> time.  Two items, two times.  Et al.
> 
> My problem is this.  I need to "convert" these
> multiple entries into a single entry concatinating all
> of the non-matching data.  Such as items purchased. 
> Obviously, their customer info should be the same.
> 
> Any assistance that you can give me would be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you.

Use a query which consolidates the common data using a GroupBy and a 
function to create the concatenated data 

ie 
Select Distinct CustomerID, CustomerName, ProductList(CustomerID) 
from SalesData 
Group By CustomerID, CustomerName

and write a function like:

Function ProductList(CustomerID) as String
Dim rs as Recordset
Dim strSQL as String
Dim strProducts as String
strSQL = "Select Itemname from SalesData " _ 
          &  "Where CustomerID = " & CustomerID 
              
Set rs = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
With rs
    While not .EOF
         strProducts = strProducts and ", " & !Itemname
    Wend
End With
Set rs = Nothing
sProductList = Mid$(strProducts,3)
End Function

 
-- 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Tue Oct 21 17:14:14 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:14:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0528@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c39820$a956a870$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

Jim - the following might help

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/Articles/q249/0/65.asp&NoWebContent=1

Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
To: "AccessD (E-mail)" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file


Just got a new PC and now I've got to see what our setup guy left out.
First found (not found rather) is the ADO 2.6 help file (or any ADO help
file for that matter).  I tried downloading and installing MDAC 2.6 but
pressing F1 while the cursor is on the ADODB.Connection declaration tells me
the file does not exist.  I tried downloading ado260.chm from a couple of
sites but Access is still not recognizing them and opening the chm file
directly shows the help file start page but no search results for any text
entered.  Does anyone know how to get the ADO help files installed and
recognized by Access (97)?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 18:15:12 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:15:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing
References: <20031021205415.9895.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a501c39829$2dab54b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Dale

...maybe I'm missing something here ...your post says you're trying to print
in Landscape ...your code says Portrait?
...on your designated printer, would that make your bottom margin an invalid
setting?

William Hindman
"How can there possibly be liberty and justice for all,
when, in the name of justice, people claim rights to income,
food, housing, education, health care, transportation, ad
infinitum? We can't. Positive rights to receive such things,
absent an obligation to earn them, must violate others' liberty,
by taking some of their income without their consent. They are
really just wishes, convertible into benefits for some only by
employing the government to violate others' rights not to have
what is theirs taken." --Prof. Gary Galles of Pepperdine University

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale Kalsow" <dkalsow at yahoo.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Landscape Form Printing


> Good Afternoon,
>
> I have the following code in Access XP, behind a button.  I am trying to
print the screen to the default printer in landscape.
>
> Dim rpt As Printer
>
>     Application.Printer = Application.Printers(0)
>
>     With rpt
>         .BottomMargin = 720
>         .Copies = 1
>         .Duplex = acPRDPVertical 'Double sided
>         .PaperBin = acPRBNLargeCapacity
>         .Orientation = acPRORPortrait
>     End With
>     DoCmd.PrintOut acPrintAll, 1, 1, acHigh, 1, True
>     Set Application.Printer = Nothing
>
> I get the error "Object with Block Variable not set " on the .BottomMargin
line.
>
> Does any one know how to fix this?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Dale
>
>
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Oct 21 18:41:46 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:11:46 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46C@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
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> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 19:05:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems irrelevant
if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a "fuzzy
logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
"out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 21 19:13:19 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:13:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0528@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <00c801c39820$a956a870$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>
Message-ID: <3F95CB9F.7060304@shaw.ca>

or this
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;295194

Don't worry it gets worse. The new SDK for MDAC installs ado270.hxs It 
has entries covering 2.8.
It is only accessible  through the desktop SDK program menu or if you 
install FAR help or you have visual studio .net installed


I don't think the chm file type, compiled help existed when Access 97 
was brought out
I just use a desktop shortcut to the file ado260.chm. I have about 5 
like this, for various help files like xml.
To get to the desktop shortcuts quickly I use the Window-M Key

To get it to work with Access XP and ado260.chm

    1. Install MDAC 2..6 SDK, which contains the help files themselves
(ado260.chm & ado260.chi)
    2. Copy said files to the appropriate help folder (v.g.,
C:\WINDOWS\Help) to enable context-sensitive help in the VBA IDE (v.g.,
select an item in the Object Browser and hit F1).

dave sharpe wrote:

>Jim - the following might help
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/Articles/q249/0/65.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>Dave
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
>To: "AccessD (E-mail)" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:25 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
>
>
>Just got a new PC and now I've got to see what our setup guy left out.
>First found (not found rather) is the ADO 2.6 help file (or any ADO help
>file for that matter).  I tried downloading and installing MDAC 2.6 but
>pressing F1 while the cursor is on the ADODB.Connection declaration tells me
>the file does not exist.  I tried downloading ado260.chm from a couple of
>sites but Access is still not recognizing them and opening the chm file
>directly shows the help file start page but no search results for any text
>entered.  Does anyone know how to get the ADO help files installed and
>recognized by Access (97)?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim DeMarco
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 19:20:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:20:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

John, 

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Tue Oct 21 19:25:48 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:25:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <51030-220031032202548297@christopherhawkins.com>

Good lord.  Different by up to 2 characters per digit?  That would
yield a range of results so large as to be useless.

That said, I would make the assumption that no more than one typo per
SSN was likely to be made.  That measn only one of the three SSN
chunks is likely to be wrong, while the otehr two are correct.

Then I would do three searches and UNION the results.

For example, given keyed input of 987-65-4321...

Search 1:  SELECT FirstName, LastName, SSN FROM tblBLah WHERE SSN
Like *-65-4321

Search 2:  SELECT FirstName, LastName, SSN FROM tblBlah WHERE SSN
Like 987-*-4321

Search 3:  SELECT FirstName, LastName, SSN FROM tblBlah WHERE SSN
Like 987-65-*

You could keep the search results in a temp table (slow) or a bunch
of recordsets (still slow, but less so).  Then take the results of
all three searches and UNION SELECT them to come up with a master
list of SSNs that are somewhat similar.

You might want to do all this searching in a dll outside the Access
environment for the sake of speed.

This is completely off the top of my head, on the fly, spur of the
moment, what have you.  Please feel free to blast holes in my idea.

-Christopher-



---- Original Message ----
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400

>My client is having difficulties where the data input people are 
>entering
>duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's 
>asked how
>difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems 
>irrelevant
>if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a 
>"fuzzy
>logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I 
>don't
>even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas 
>(other than
>"out the door, no parachute")?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 19:29:29 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:29:29 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infost
 at.local>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031022132602.00b98d38@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Perhaps a loop that compares each position in the SSN between the search 
item and each database record.  If there are x number of position matches 
then include the client in the list of possible records.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205

At 21/10/2003, Charlotte wrote:
>John,
>
>I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
>The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
>offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
>soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
>"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
>with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
>mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
>how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
>characters?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
>To: AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>
>
>My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
>entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
>asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
>(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
>would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
>to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
>that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 21 19:30:40 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:30:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>
 <16235596795.20031021182859@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3F95CFB0.9060504@shaw.ca>

Here is a start.

http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/migrating-va.html

 I think, this has to do with different mantissa lengths on different 
platforms. I have seen it used in Fortran and Oracle. Oracle has an 
option NOG_Float. If your C  program uses the D-floating format for 
floating-point data, you should compile with the NOG_FLOAT qualifier. 
This forces SQL to convert the double-precision data in the database 
from the G-floating format used by Oracle Rdb to the D-floating format 
used by C, and vice versa.

I wonder what happens on the new Win 64 bit platforms?

The VAX architecture defined two different "double precision" represen-
tations:  The original D_FLOAT (inherited from PDP-11's), and the newer
G_FLOAT.  They differ in the assignment of bits to mantissa and
exponent: G_FLOAT moved three bits from the mantissa to the exponent, so
you get a much wider dynamic range at the expense of a few less bits of
precision.  This change was made because it turned out that the greater
dynamic range was more useful than the extra couple of bits.

 more significant problem due to the change to G_float can occur in 
programs which, intentionally or unintentionally, pass single-precision 
(REAL*4) values as arguments to routines which declare the argument as 
REAL*8. This often goes unnoticed when an F_float value is interpreted 
as D_float, as the two datatypes have the same format in the first 32 
bits. But when an F_float is interpreted as a G_float, the value read 
will be wildly different. For example, an F_float 1.0 is interpreted as 
128.0 in G_float! The most common case for this type mismatch, which is 
a programming error, is when a REAL*4 constant such as 1.0 or 2.3E0 is 
passed to a REAL*8 argument. To ensure that the datatype of a constant 
is REAL*8, use the D exponent letter, for example 3.14D0, or use a 
PARAMETER constant which is declared as REAL*8. If the caller and callee 
are compiled together, the AXP compiler will warn about type mismatches 
if WARNINGS=ARGUMENT_CHECKING is specified on the compile command line.



Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Mark
>
>You are welcome!
>
>I knew about the "E" trap (say, 3E4 which is 30000) but I have never read about the
>"D" trap which turns, say, 1D4 into 10000 (or 1E4).
>It's easy to figure out it means 10^4 but where may that be
>documented?? 
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
>>that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
>>legend...cha cha cha"
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Thank you sir,
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Mark
>>    
>>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 19:31:10 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:31:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001001c39833$cc40aad0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

The names aren't consistent either? What's he using as a primary key? I
think you have more problems than incorrect ss#. :(

Susan H.


> My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
> duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
> difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
> if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
> logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
> even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
> "out the door, no parachute")?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 19:32:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:32:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 21 19:33:08 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:33:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C87@EXCHMAIL>

I was going to recommend soundex on the names as well. Soundex is pretty cool, but also makes some matches that are not that close.

It sounds like someone is using natural keys where they shouldn't be? :P
 
(that might start a war)

Maybe they can search for duplicate claims for a given address, name or type of injury and name? 

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John, 

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 21 19:19:02 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:19:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
In-Reply-To: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEMDEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A8@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3F9594B6.5141.18CA963@localhost>


> > -----Original Message-----

> > > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in
> > > the
> > table itself, from number to text?

On 21 Oct 2003 at 16:26, Reuben Cummings wrote:

> Based on our work on the Back End Upgrader, in order to change a 
data
> type thru code you will need to create a new field, move the data 
to
> the new field, delete the original field, and rename the new field.


Um, you aren't going to believe this Reuben but:

In A2K, with DAO referenced you can use ALTER TABLE to do it:

Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database

Set db = CurrentDb()
strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Table1 ALTER COLUMN fldText CHAR(10);"

db.Execute (strSQL)

Set db = Nothing

Where CHAR(10) indicated that it is being changed to a text field 
with a length of 10 characters.

In my test fldText started out as a Long Integer field.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Never let a computer see you hurry.



From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 21 19:36:41 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:36:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C88@EXCHMAIL>

Its an MS SQL function. Open QA, type in SOUNDEX, high light the word and press SHIFT+F1. Helps covers it a bit.

D

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Oct 21 19:49:04 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:19:04 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46E@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

I found/wrote a VBA equivalent a while ago.. Will see if I can find it.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: David McAfee [mailto:DMcAfee at haascnc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Its an MS SQL function. Open QA, type in SOUNDEX, high light the word and
press SHIFT+F1. Helps covers it a bit.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 19:58:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:58:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <001001c39833$cc40aad0$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHNFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

lol.

This is MY database, and I am using an autonumber for the PK of course.  I
think what you are trying to ask is what am I using for the unique index,
and the answer is the SSN.  And yes, I have been party to the SSN debate
before.

In the end, you can't have a unique index on the last name, nor the first
name, nor both.  The claim data (injury) is doctor chicken scratch  so it is
totally unreliable even taken in conjunction with last name etc.

The data is normalized, claimant, claim (and a hundred more).  They enter a
claimant.  Then they enter the claim.  If they screw up the claimant then
the claim is attached to a "duplicate" claimant.  This is not the end of the
world, I have a combo in the claim form that allows a supervisor to reassign
the claim to a different claimant for exactly this reason.

I am of course open to **constructive!! ideas on how to make this painless.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


The names aren't consistent either? What's he using as a primary key? I
think you have more problems than incorrect ss#. :(

Susan H.


> My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
> duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
> difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
> if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
> logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
> even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
> "out the door, no parachute")?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 19:58:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:58:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C88@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEHOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Found it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Its an MS SQL function. Open QA, type in SOUNDEX, high light the word and
press SHIFT+F1. Helps covers it a bit.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 21 20:01:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:01:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It's old code that I never put into a class and haven't updated for
recent improvements in VBA.  I played around with several variations and
haven't looked at it in years.  Here ya go!

Charlotte Foust

'*********************************************
Option Compare Database   'Use database order for string comparisons
Option Explicit

'Soundex routines created by Charlotte Foust 1/96
' last modified 3/15/99
'
'Starting with the first letter, examine each letter in turn, and
'if we can use it, append it to our string, to a maximum of 4 codes.
'We skip a consonant if it has the same category number as
'the previous consonant, unless there is a separator (vowel, etc.)
'between the two.
'
'Instead of the usual mixed string, this function returns a string
'comprised entirely of numbers.  In addition, leading vowels are
'all given the same value of 0 to allow for spelling variations
'like "English" and "Inglish".  Non-alphabetic characters are
'ignored.  Null string (or string with no non-alphabetic chars)
'returns 0.
'
'The resulting soundex code may be either 4 or 5 characters long
'depending on the alphabetical index value of the initial letter,
'which normally would be anything from 1 to 26. However, all
'leading vowels receive the code value of 0.

Dim varChar() As Variant
Dim strSentence() As String

Function cf_ApplySoundex(ByVal psSearchFor As String) As String
    Dim strSearch As String, intElement As Integer
    Dim strSdxCode As String, intCode As Integer
    Dim strRemaining As String
    Dim strSdxPrefix As String, strSdxSuffix As String

    On Error GoTo cf_ApplySoundex_err

    '\ Initialize variables
    strSearch = LTrim(psSearchFor)
    strSdxCode = ""
    strSdxPrefix = ""
    strSdxSuffix = ""
    strRemaining = Mid(strSearch, 2, Len(strSearch) - 1)
    
    ReDim varChar(0 To Len(strSearch)) As Variant
    '\ Store each character of the string in
    '\ an element of the array.
    For intElement = 1 To Len(strSearch)
        varChar(intElement) = Mid(strSearch, intElement, 1)
    Next intElement
    '\ If the first character is a vowel, use zero
    '\ otherwise, use the alphabetical index of the character
     Select Case LCase(varChar(1))
        Case "a", "e", "i", "o", "u", "y"
            intCode = 0
        Case Else
            intCode = Asc(LCase(varChar(1))) - Asc("a") + 1
     End Select
     strSdxPrefix = CStr(intCode)
    Do While Len(strSdxSuffix) < 3
        '\ Get the rest of the code
        For intElement = 2 To Len(strSearch)
            '\ Get the code for each subsequent character
            intCode = cf_GetCharValue(varChar(intElement))
            '\ Handling for repeated consonants without a separator
            If varChar((intElement) - 1) = varChar(intElement) Then
                intCode = -1
            End If
            If intCode <> -1 And intCode <> 0 Then
                '\ If not a  repeated consonant and not a vowel
                '\ add it to the Soundex code
                strSdxSuffix = strSdxSuffix & intCode
            End If
        Next intElement
        '\ Test to see if you have at least 3 digits.
        '\ If not, pad the string with right zeros.
        Do While Len(strSdxSuffix) < 3
            strSdxSuffix = strSdxSuffix & "0"
        Loop
    Loop

    strSdxCode = strSdxPrefix & strSdxSuffix
    cf_ApplySoundex = strSdxCode
cf_ApplySoundex_exit:
    Exit Function
cf_ApplySoundex_err:
    MsgBox "ApplySoundex error " & Err.Number & ":  " & Err.Description
    Resume cf_ApplySoundex_err
End Function

Function cf_GetCharValue(ByVal pvChar As Variant) As Integer
' Applies the Russell algorithm to determine the "value" of
' the character passed.
    Dim strChar As String, intChar As Integer
    strChar = CStr(pvChar)
    Select Case LCase$(strChar)
        Case "a", "e", "h", "i", "o", "u", "w", "y"
            intChar = 0
        Case "b", "f", "p", "v"
            intChar = 1
        Case "c", "g", "j", "k", "q", "s", "x", "z"
            intChar = 2
        Case "d", "t"
            intChar = 3
        Case "l"
            intChar = 4
        Case "m", "n"
            intChar = 5
        Case "r"
            intChar = 6
        Case Else
            intChar = 0
    End Select
    cf_GetCharValue = intChar
End Function


Function cf_SoundexMatch()
'Asks the User for a Word, Converts it to a soundex Value and then
'performs a search on the current control.  Subsequent entries of the
'same Word will return subsequent records, if any.
    Dim strSearchFor As String
    strSearchFor = InputBox("Enter the matching string to Find")
    '\ Find the first matching record in the current table
    '\ Not case sensitive, search down for data as stored in database
    '\ match entire field, start at field following current record.
    DoCmd.FindRecord cf_ApplySoundex(strSearchFor), acAnywhere, False,
acDown, , acCurrent, False
End Function

'*******************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once. The
fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for offering
alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized soundex
that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard "vowel
followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name with a
leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I mean,
think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat, how do
you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2 characters?

Charlotte Foust

From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Oct 21 19:58:29 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:28:29 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A46F@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Found this.  Can't recall where I got it from or if I modded it, however if
you search google for soundex vba you should get some hits:


***********************************************************
Public Function Soundex(Word As String) As String
    
Dim strCode As String
Dim strChar As String
Dim lngWordLength As Long
Dim strLastCode As String

'Grabs the first letter
strCode = UCase(Mid$(Word, 1, 1))
strLastCode = GetSoundCodeNumber(strCode)

'Stores the word length
lngWordLength = Len(Word)

'Continues the code, starting at the second letter
For i = 2 To lngWordLength
    strChar = GetSoundCodeNumber(UCase(Mid$(Word, i, 1)))

    ' If adjacent numbers are the same,
    ' only count one of them
    If Len(strChar) > 0 And strLastCode <> strChar Then
        strCode = strCode & strChar
    End If
    strLastCode = strChar

Next

'Trim it down to a maximum of four characters...
Soundex = Mid$(strCode, 1, 4)

'... but if it's less than four characters, pad
'it out with a bunch of zeros...
If Len(strCode) < 4 Then
    Soundex = Soundex & String(4 - Len(strCode), "0")
End If

End Function

Private Function GetSoundCodeNumber(Character As String) As String
    
'Accepts a character and returns the
'appropriate number from the Soundex table

Select Case Character
    Case "B", "F", "P", "V"
       GetSoundCodeNumber = "1"
    Case "C", "G", "J", "K", "Q", "S", "X", "Z"
       GetSoundCodeNumber = "2"
    Case "D", "T"
        GetSoundCodeNumber = "3"
    Case "L"
        GetSoundCodeNumber = "4"
    Case "M", "N"
        GetSoundCodeNumber = "5"
    Case "R"
        GetSoundCodeNumber = "6"
End Select

End Function
***********************************************************


Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: David McAfee [mailto:DMcAfee at haascnc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 10:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Its an MS SQL function. Open QA, type in SOUNDEX, high light the word and
press SHIFT+F1. Helps covers it a bit.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
class, a single function?  How does it work?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 21 20:05:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:05:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C87@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEHOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In the end, they want to be able to type garbage in and have the database
figure out what they mean.  I assume you have never actually talked to
users?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


I was going to recommend soundex on the names as well. Soundex is pretty
cool, but also makes some matches that are not that close.

It sounds like someone is using natural keys where they shouldn't be? :P

(that might start a war)

Maybe they can search for duplicate claims for a given address, name or type
of injury and name?

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 21 20:28:50 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:28:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHNFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <032101c3983b$daad2aa0$6401a8c0@default>

John,

I have more comprehensive versions, but
here is a simple version of Soundex.

Function Soundex (ByVal S As String) As String
    S = UCase$(Trim$(S))
    Dim Code As Integer: Code = 0
    Dim Last As Integer: Last = 0
    Dim R As String: R = ""
    Dim i As Long: For i = 1 To Len(S)
        Select Case Mid$(S, i, 1)
        Case "B", "F", "P", "V"
            Code = 1
        Case "C", "G", "J", "K", "Q", "S", "X", "Z"
            Code = 2
        Case "D", "T"
            Code = 3
        Case "L"
            Code = 4
        Case "M", "N"
            Code = 5
        Case "R"
            Code = 6
        Case Else
            Code = 0
        End Select
        If (i = 1) Then
            R = Mid$(S, 1, 1)
        ElseIf (Code <> 0 And Code <> Last) Then
            R = R & Code
        End If
        Last = Code
    Next i
    Soundex = Mid$(R & "0000", 1, 4)
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


> lol.
>
> This is MY database, and I am using an autonumber for the PK of course.  I
> think what you are trying to ask is what am I using for the unique index,
> and the answer is the SSN.  And yes, I have been party to the SSN debate
> before.
>
> In the end, you can't have a unique index on the last name, nor the first
> name, nor both.  The claim data (injury) is doctor chicken scratch  so it
is
> totally unreliable even taken in conjunction with last name etc.
>
> The data is normalized, claimant, claim (and a hundred more).  They enter
a
> claimant.  Then they enter the claim.  If they screw up the claimant then
> the claim is attached to a "duplicate" claimant.  This is not the end of
the
> world, I have a combo in the claim form that allows a supervisor to
reassign
> the claim to a different claimant for exactly this reason.
>
> I am of course open to **constructive!! ideas on how to make this
painless.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>
>
> The names aren't consistent either? What's he using as a primary key? I
> think you have more problems than incorrect ss#. :(
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering
> > duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked
how
> > difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
> irrelevant
> > if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
> "fuzzy
> > logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I
don't
> > even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other
than
> > "out the door, no parachute")?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 21 20:34:24 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:34:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F966B40.24359.ADA63FB@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 20:32, John Colby wrote:

> Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it a
> class, a single function?  How does it work?
> 

I posted this to the SQLServer forum on 14 Aug 02:

The Soundex system is the means established by the National Archives to
index the U.S. censuses (beginning with 1880). 

Soundex codes begin with the first letter of the surname followed by a
three-digit code that represents the (first three) remaining consonants
(after duplicate consonants have been combined). Where there are less  
than three remaining consonants, the soundex is padded with 0s

Here's a VB/VBA function which shows the details:

Function SoundEx(ByVal incoming As String) As String

   Dim lLoopcount As Long
   Dim sResult As String
   Dim sInChar As String
   Dim sOutChar As String

'- Clean up the string
'
'  1.  Remove all non-alphabetic characters (e.g., hyphens, apostrophes). 
'  2.  Convert all lower-case characters to upper-case characters. 
'  3.  Move the first letter in the source to the SOUNDEX output buffer. 
'  4.  Remove the vowels (A,E,I,O,U and Y) and the consonents H and W. 
'  5.  Make the following substitutions: 
'       Labials (B,F,P,V)                      ==> 1 
'       Gutterals,  sibilants (C,G,J,K,Q,S,X,Z) ==> 2 
'       Dentals (D,T)   ==> 3 
'       Long liquid (L)                        ==> 4 
'       Nasals (M,N)                           ==> 5 
'       Short liquid (R)                       ==> 6 
'  6.  Combine any adjacent identical digits (i.e., eliminate contiguous 
'      matching digits:  for example, 44 becomes just 4). 

 incoming = UCase$(incoming) 
sResult  = "" 
For lLoopcount = 1 To Len(incoming)

      '- Stop when we get 4 characters
      If Len(sResult) >= 4 Then Exit For

      sInChar = Mid$(incoming, lLoopcount, 1)
      Select Case sInChar
           Case "B", "F", "P", "V"
                  sOutChar = "1"
           Case "C", "G", "J", "K", "Q", "S", "X", "Z"
                  sOutChar = "2"
           Case "D", "T"
                  sOutChar = "3"
           Case "L"
                  sOutChar = "4"
           Case "M", "N"
                  sOutChar = "5"
           Case "R"
                  sOutChar = "6"
           Case Else
                  sOutChar = ""
      End Select

      '- If it's the first digit, then just add it.
      If sResult = "" Then
             sResult = sResult + sInChar
             '- Make sure not to add a repeating digit.
      ElseIf Right$(sResult, 1) <> sOutChar Then
                  sResult = sResult + sOutChar
      End If

   Next

'  7.  Concatenate the first three resulting digits to the SOUNDEX 
' output buffer (if there are fewer than 3 resulting digits, pad with 0). 
 SoundEx = Left$(sResult + "0000", 4)

End Function



-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Tue Oct 21 20:51:49 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:51:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C89@EXCHMAIL>

The users aren't the bad ones...its the managers at my location that are bad.

One gives you a deadline, then calls you back in 5 minutes later to have you work on a new full day project then asks where you are at the next day on project #1 ?!?!?!

Another manager like to break functioning systems to justify his existence, by now requiring system changes to work with his new design, which in fact worked better the way it was before.

Yet another manager like to put in preventions such as: "Can you write some code that will check to see if that PO# has already been entered by that distributor?" I answer yes, and make it work. He comes back with "your system didn't prevent this duplicate order from being processed", after looking at the two different Purchase Order Numbers, I see that the entry person transposed two numbers. He now wants me to put in prevention for that...hey...that sounds a lot like your mess ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


In the end, they want to be able to type garbage in and have the database
figure out what they mean.  I assume you have never actually talked to
users?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


I was going to recommend soundex on the names as well. Soundex is pretty
cool, but also makes some matches that are not that close.

It sounds like someone is using natural keys where they shouldn't be? :P

(that might start a war)

Maybe they can search for duplicate claims for a given address, name or type
of injury and name?

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


John,

I've received this kind of request before and I looked into it once.
The fuzzy logic math was way, way beyond my grasp, so I settled for
offering alternatives like soundex on the names.  I created a customized
soundex that used a number for leading vowels rather than the standard
"vowel followed by number" pattern, so that if they misspelled a name
with a leading vowel, there were still possible matches.  But SSN?  I
mean, think of it.  If a SSN has 9 digits, any one of which can repeat,
how do you determine a mismatch by up to 2 characters?  WHICH 2
characters?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:06 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's
asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered
(seems irrelevant if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it
would be to do a "fuzzy logic" search for SSNs that are different by up
to 2 characters.  I don't even have a clue how to attack something like
that.  Any ideas (other than "out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 21 22:11:31 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:11:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C89@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <3F968203.272.13A52B8@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 18:51, David McAfee wrote:


> Yet another manager like to put in preventions such as: "Can you write
> some code that will check to see if that PO# has already been entered
> by that distributor?" I answer yes, and make it work. He comes back
> with "your system didn't prevent this duplicate order from being
> processed", after looking at the two different Purchase Order Numbers,
> I see that the entry person transposed two numbers. He now wants me to
> put in prevention for that...hey...that sounds a lot like your mess ;) 
> 

Yep, with JCs SSN close matches that's probably the first thing to 
attack.   

In my experience with the PNG Electoral Commission which uses 8 digit 
Elector ID numbers, the most common error is transposing 2 digits in 
the data entry.

I'm still thinking about ways of quickly finding other numbers which 
are the same as the target but with a pair of digits transposed. When 
I get it, I'll post it :-)






 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 21 23:23:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:23:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273B3@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
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> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Tue Oct 21 23:06:26 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:36:26 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A4@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c39856$72d83fd0$b3edf73d@winxp>

    You are welcome Mark !

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mitsules, Mark 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 00:58
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


  A.D.Tejpal,

  Yes, this approach works.  Well done:)


  Thank you,

  Mark
  (Although it is not an issue, it is too bad I don't have a timer utility
  built to test the solutions that work.)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:38 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics

  Mark,

      Could you kindly try the following and let me know -

      Let table T_Sort have a field SVAL (text type), containing  the
  alphanumeric values. In query design window, create two fields: 
      (a) First field named F1(calculated field) with the formula -
  F1: IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL], 2,1)), "A","B")
      (b) Second field  SVAL
      Sort order for both fields may be set to ascending.

      SQL string for the above query is given below -

  SELECT IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B") AS F1,
  T_Sort.SVAL FROM T_Sort ORDER BY IIf(IsNumeric([SVAL]) And
  IsNumeric(Mid([SVAL],2,1)),"A","B"), T_Sort.SVAL WITH OWNERACCESS OPTION;

  Regards,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Mitsules, Mark 
    To: '[AccessD]' 
    Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 19:28
    Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics


    Greetings,

    I have a text field containing all possible 3 digit alpha-numeric
    combinations from 000 to ZZZ.  I am looking for a method to sort this text
    field where 000 through 999 are listed in numerical order before the
    remaining alpha-numeric combinations are listed in ASCII sort order.  Any
    suggestions?  I have tried to do this in Excel, however, Excel makes some
    startling decisions on its own...such as turning 7E9 into 7000000000.

    Example:
    000
    001
    .
    .
    998
    999
    00A
    00B
    .
    .
    ZZZ


    Mark Mitsules
    Senior Designer
    Department E13
    Submarine Electrical Engineering
    Northrop Grumman Newport News
    757.380.3376


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 22 00:13:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:13:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273B4@main2.marlow.com>

Here's my suggestion.  I used a BE I had for someone that had ~15,000 user
records.  I then built this query:

SELECT tblPerson.*, [Enter SS Number] AS Criteria
FROM tblPerson
WHERE (((tblPerson.P_txtSocialSecurityNumber) Like "???" & Mid([Enter SS
Number],4,2) & "????" Or (tblPerson.P_txtSocialSecurityNumber) Like "?????"
& Right([Enter SS Number],4) Or (tblPerson.P_txtSocialSecurityNumber) Like
Left([Enter SS Number],3) & "??????"));

That narrows the field a bit.  I saved that query as qryCloseMatches, then I
built this function:

Public Function CheckSSNumber(strOriginal As String, strCurrent) As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim intOffCount As Long
intOffCount = 0
If Len(strOriginal) <> Len(strCurrent) Or IsNull(strCurrent) Then
    CheckSSNumber = -1
End If
For i = 1 To Len(strOriginal)
    If Mid(strCurrent, i, 1) <> Mid(strOriginal, i, 1) Then intOffCount =
intOffCount + 1
    If intOffCount > 2 Then
        Exit For
    End If
Next i
CheckSSNumber = intOffCount
End Function

And built this final query:

SELECT qryCloseMatches.pk_PersonID, qryCloseMatches.P_txtPersonID,
qryCloseMatches.P_txtSocialSecurityNumber, qryCloseMatches.P_txtFirstName,
qryCloseMatches.P_txtMiddleName, qryCloseMatches.P_txtLastName,
qryCloseMatches.P_txtStreetAddress1, qryCloseMatches.P_txtStreetAddress2,
CheckSSNumber([Criteria],[P_txtSocialSecurityNumber]) AS Expr1
FROM qryCloseMatches
WHERE (((CheckSSNumber([Criteria],[P_txtSocialSecurityNumber]))>=0 And
(CheckSSNumber([Criteria],[P_txtSocialSecurityNumber]))<=2))
ORDER BY CheckSSNumber([Criteria],[P_txtSocialSecurityNumber]);

Works pretty fast.  They results are sorted by 'closeness'.  0 is a perfect
match, then 1 and 2 are off by 1 or 2 characters.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 10/21/03 7:05 PM
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search

My client is having difficulties where the data input people are
entering
duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked
how
difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I
don't
even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other
than
"out the door, no parachute")?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Oct 22 00:19:33 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:49:33 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A472@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

No No No!

Never place objects in session scope (assume you're using ASP).  Causes
thread affinity and you lose connection pooling.

http://www.devx.com/asp/Article/16802/0/page/2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;243543

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 1:54 PM
To: ''Access Developers discussion and problem solving' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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>
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>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Oct 22 01:13:14 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:43:14 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A474@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Ooops, noticed you were using a custom DLL - pretty certain if the same
implications apply, however not completely sure.  

Drawbacks are more apparent in a multi-user environment rather than a low
traffic one..

Cheers,
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 2:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


No No No!

Never place objects in session scope (assume you're using ASP).  Causes
thread affinity and you lose connection pooling.

http://www.devx.com/asp/Article/16802/0/page/2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;243543

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 1:54 PM
To: ''Access Developers discussion and problem solving' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
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> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
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> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
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> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 00:58:10 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:58:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
References: <3F968203.272.13A52B8@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F961C72.7060409@shaw.ca>

Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also 
indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the 
location of a single transposition error.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 21 Oct 2003 at 18:51, David McAfee wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>Yet another manager like to put in preventions such as: "Can you write
>>some code that will check to see if that PO# has already been entered
>>by that distributor?" I answer yes, and make it work. He comes back
>>with "your system didn't prevent this duplicate order from being
>>processed", after looking at the two different Purchase Order Numbers,
>>I see that the entry person transposed two numbers. He now wants me to
>>put in prevention for that...hey...that sounds a lot like your mess ;) 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Yep, with JCs SSN close matches that's probably the first thing to 
>attack.   
>
>In my experience with the PNG Electoral Commission which uses 8 digit 
>Elector ID numbers, the most common error is transposing 2 digits in 
>the data entry.
>
>I'm still thinking about ways of quickly finding other numbers which 
>are the same as the target but with a pair of digits transposed. When 
>I get it, I'll post it :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 03:01:50 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:01:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>

Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


TIA
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 22 03:32:30 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:32:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting Alpha-Numerics
In-Reply-To: <3F95CFB0.9060504@shaw.ca>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8A2@nnse14.nns.com>
 <16235596795.20031021182859@cactus.dk> <3F95CFB0.9060504@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <25485287.20031022103230@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Many thanks for the nice explanation.

One just wonders why this "D" was brought into Access (where I see it
documented nowhere). On the other hand it falls well in line with the
original concept of Access "to give the user access from a single
point to a variety of database engines" - at least that is how I
understood it.

/gustav


> Here is a start.

> http://h18009.www1.hp.com/fortran/migrating-va.html

>  I think, this has to do with different mantissa lengths on different 
> platforms. I have seen it used in Fortran and Oracle. Oracle has an 
> option NOG_Float. If your C  program uses the D-floating format for 
> floating-point data, you should compile with the NOG_FLOAT qualifier. 
> This forces SQL to convert the double-precision data in the database 
> from the G-floating format used by Oracle Rdb to the D-floating format 
> used by C, and vice versa.

> I wonder what happens on the new Win 64 bit platforms?

> The VAX architecture defined two different "double precision" represen-
> tations:  The original D_FLOAT (inherited from PDP-11's), and the newer
> G_FLOAT.  They differ in the assignment of bits to mantissa and
> exponent: G_FLOAT moved three bits from the mantissa to the exponent, so
> you get a much wider dynamic range at the expense of a few less bits of
> precision.  This change was made because it turned out that the greater
> dynamic range was more useful than the extra couple of bits.

>  more significant problem due to the change to G_float can occur in 
> programs which, intentionally or unintentionally, pass single-precision 
> (REAL*4) values as arguments to routines which declare the argument as 
> REAL*8. This often goes unnoticed when an F_float value is interpreted 
> as D_float, as the two datatypes have the same format in the first 32 
> bits. But when an F_float is interpreted as a G_float, the value read 
> will be wildly different. For example, an F_float 1.0 is interpreted as 
> 128.0 in G_float! The most common case for this type mismatch, which is 
> a programming error, is when a REAL*4 constant such as 1.0 or 2.3E0 is 
> passed to a REAL*8 argument. To ensure that the datatype of a constant 
> is REAL*8, use the D exponent letter, for example 3.14D0, or use a 
> PARAMETER constant which is declared as REAL*8. If the caller and callee 
> are compiled together, the AXP compiler will warn about type mismatches 
> if WARNINGS=ARGUMENT_CHECKING is specified on the compile command line.



> Gustav Brock wrote:

>>Hi Mark
>>
>>You are welcome!
>>
>>I knew about the "E" trap (say, 3E4 which is 30000) but I have never read about the
>>"D" trap which turns, say, 1D4 into 10000 (or 1E4).
>>It's easy to figure out it means 10^4 but where may that be
>>documented?? 
>>
>>/gustav


>>>Holy cow...I'm in awe.  I remember a quote from this list a long time ago
>>>that seems appropriate at the moment.  It read something like "Gustav is a
>>>legend...cha cha cha"
>>
>>>Thank you sir,
>>
>>>Mark


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 03:36:16 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:36:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000501c39877$8f1b3140$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...why not use one of the freeware zip file splitter utilities available
on-line?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:01 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a
client to download from?

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to
under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


TIA
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 21 03:50:25 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:25 +0200
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OFBDBE24B3.31190D20-ONC1256DC6.00304900@achmea.nl>

Robert,

   The FE is always an MDE and is 11MB in size. De BE is always een MDB
   which differs from 24 to 150 MB
   Generaly there are five users who are updating and entering data and
   about 2 users who only read data
   The FE is always local on the computers. The BE is always in f:
   \oop\oopdata.mdb
    Alle forms are showing a limited no of records and are never bounded to
   a table


Thanks Marcel





"Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
20-10-2003 15:52:48

Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com


Aan:  accessd at databaseadvisors.com
cc:   marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Marcel,

How big is the FE and BE databases?

How many simultaneous users?

Are the users using a local copy of the FE?

Do your forms limit the number of records displayed?

After getting the answers to these questions, I can
give you better direction.

Robert

At 08:23 AM 10/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:37:29 +0200
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <OFEC1AA300.2EAE21EC-ONC1256DC5.003F2FED at achmea.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Dear group,
>
>It has been a while since I looked into this group. My daughter (7 months)
>took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would like to ask
>you the following.
>
>I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000 applications
>distributed among several customers. All database use DAO and have a FE
and
>BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about performance.
>Expecially on a network envirnement.
>I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT *  queries
>with only the data wich is used
>- closed all recordset and database connection at the end of eacht
function
>of module.
>-  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot of work and
I
>do not know if i want to do this.
>
>But this all did not improved much.
>
>I am thinking about the following
>- Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
>performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps I am missing
>something
>- The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer controls on a
>form. If I do this does this improve performance
>- moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot of money and
>the won?t be happy.
>
>
>Any suggestions, ideas??
>I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
>tricks in this.
>
>Thansk marcel


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 22 04:24:18 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:24:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F961482.29626.108D43@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 20:32, John Colby wrote:

> Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it
> a class, a single function?  How does it work?

ADH has a Soundex Version. I don't recall if it's a single procedure 
or a series of procedures. I don't think it's a class though.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
RAM Disk is not an installation technique!



From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 04:30:44 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:30:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>
	<000501c39877$8f1b3140$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000f01c3987f$2b4756f0$6501a8c0@user>

I don't want the client to have to put the files back together - but thanks for the tip - I'll look into it.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  ...why not use one of the freeware zip file splitter utilities available
  on-line?

  William Hindman
  <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Kath Pelletti" <SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au>
  To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:01 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a
  client to download from?

  It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to
  under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

  (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


  TIA
  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 22 05:46:55 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:46:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <4736418.1066819615957.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>


Just a thought but not sure how it works myself, isn't there a way that you could FTP the file to the web and then get your client to FTP it to their system.



Message date : Oct 22 2003, 11:38 AM 
>From : Kath Pelletti 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 
I don't want the client to have to put the files back together - but thanks for the tip - I'll look into it. 

Kath 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: William Hindman 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 


...why not use one of the freeware zip file splitter utilities available 
on-line? 

William Hindman 
- Do you want liberty in your lifetime? 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:01 AM 
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 


Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a 
client to download from? 

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to 
under 2.9 MB which is too large for them. 

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....) 


TIA 
Kath Pelletti 
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
Ph: 9505-6714 
Fax: 9505-6430 
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 06:36:21 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:36:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Switch between Specific Printer and default.
In-Reply-To: <911342931.20030824093418@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEGPDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

I just want to change the radio button for a report between Default and
Specific printer in code. Do I have to use DEVMODE and DEVNAMES structures
to do this? Access 2000.

John



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 22 06:49:48 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:49:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Crashes Sending Email
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0117@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I have a database set up so an email notification is sent via Outlook for
new task assignments. I have not had any problems until converting the
database from 97 to A2K. Outlook will open with the message completed, but
after I press Send, I get a page fault error and it crashes: 
MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at
017f:bff7a138.
 
What can I do to prevent the database from crashing every time I press Send?
Why is it happening in A2K?
 
Virginia
 
This is the code I have on the button to send the emails.
*********************
'New assignment of EFR.
Dim Mess As String, Subject As String, Recipient As String, Cc As String,
Bcc As String
Dim Msg, Style, Title, Response, MyString
    Beep
Msg = "Do you want to send a notification ?"   ' Define message.
Style = vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1 ' Define buttons.
Title = "New EFR Assignment"  ' Define title.
 
        ' Display message.
Response = MsgBox(Msg, Style, Title)
If Response = vbYes Then    ' User chose Yes.
MyString = "Yes"    ' Perform some action.
 
    Recipient = DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]")
    Subject = "New Equipment Failure Report EFR-" +
CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000"))
    Cc = "Robert Cross; Chris Hoffman"
    Bcc = "Virginia Hollis"
    Mess = "You have been assigned the following Equipment Failure Report: "
+ vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "EFR-" + CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000")) + vbCrLf + _
    "Assigned to: " + DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]") + vbCrLf + _
    "ATR: " + CStr([ATRNumber]) + vbCrLf + _
    "Date assigned: " + CStr([DateMail]) + vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "Please complete your review within the next five (5) days."
 
On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.SendObject , , , Recipient, Cc, Bcc, Subject, Mess
 

Else    ' User chose No.
    MyString = "No" ' Perform some action.
 
End If    
        
                        
Exit_cmdNew_Click:
Exit Sub
 
Err_cmdNew_Click:
    Select Case Err
    Case 0      'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   'All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox Error$, , "Error in function Form_frmNewEFR.cmdNew _Click"
    Resume Exit_cmdNew_Click
    End Select
    Resume Next    'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Oct 22 06:51:46 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:51:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0538@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Marty and Dave.  

I put shortcuts to missing help files on the start menu so I can just press the Windows key to get to them.  It was the .chi file I was missing.  You can install this help file without installing the SDK.  I Googled ado260.chm and found a site that has them posted (www.debian.goldweb.com.au).

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file


or this
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;295194

Don't worry it gets worse. The new SDK for MDAC installs ado270.hxs It 
has entries covering 2.8.
It is only accessible  through the desktop SDK program menu or if you 
install FAR help or you have visual studio .net installed


I don't think the chm file type, compiled help existed when Access 97 
was brought out
I just use a desktop shortcut to the file ado260.chm. I have about 5 
like this, for various help files like xml.
To get to the desktop shortcuts quickly I use the Window-M Key

To get it to work with Access XP and ado260.chm

    1. Install MDAC 2..6 SDK, which contains the help files themselves
(ado260.chm & ado260.chi)
    2. Copy said files to the appropriate help folder (v.g.,
C:\WINDOWS\Help) to enable context-sensitive help in the VBA IDE (v.g.,
select an item in the Object Browser and hit F1).

dave sharpe wrote:

>Jim - the following might help
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/Articles/q249/0/65.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>Dave
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
>To: "AccessD (E-mail)" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:25 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 help file
>
>
>Just got a new PC and now I've got to see what our setup guy left out.
>First found (not found rather) is the ADO 2.6 help file (or any ADO help
>file for that matter).  I tried downloading and installing MDAC 2.6 but
>pressing F1 while the cursor is on the ADODB.Connection declaration tells me
>the file does not exist.  I tried downloading ado260.chm from a couple of
>sites but Access is still not recognizing them and opening the chm file
>directly shows the help file start page but no search results for any text
>entered.  Does anyone know how to get the ADO help files installed and
>recognized by Access (97)?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>
>****************************************************************************
>*******
>"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
>recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is
>confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
>hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
>contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
>message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
>immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address
>noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended
>recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and
>destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
>****************************************************************************
>*******
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Wed Oct 22 07:00:29 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:00:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
In-Reply-To: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <006201c39894$16bca770$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Kath

I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
compacted before zipping?

If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then you can use it to
split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the client
site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there should be only a few
chunks.

I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kath Pelletti
> Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
> 
> 
> Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
> 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
> 
> It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
> and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
> 
> (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
> 
> 
> TIA
> Kath Pelletti
> Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
> Ph: 9505-6714
> Fax: 9505-6430
> sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 22 07:00:59 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:00:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F961C72.7060409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>

On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also 
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the 
> location of a single transposition error.
> 

Too many potential false matches 

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work 
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single 
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1) Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.




From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Oct 22 07:08:38 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:08:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
In-Reply-To: <001b01c39872$c06a46f0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000201c39895$3a222090$7001a8c0@COA3>

Yahoo Briefcase is 30 MB, free, with a 5 mb per file limit.  The good
thing is, it supports multiple (at least 2, anyway) simultaneous logins,
so you and the client can both be signed it the same time.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:02 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file
for a client to download from? 

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot
zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


TIA
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 07:41:52 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:41:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <006201c39894$16bca770$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <002701c39899$def767c0$6501a8c0@user>

Yep - message back from client was "The recipient(s) indicated below did not receive this message 
because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has 
been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient 
and request that space be made available within their mailbox."
Yes I do have version 8.1 but didn't know that I could split the zip file - so I will look into that. Thanks.

William's tip led me to find a tool called GSplit which I am testing now and it looks good (and free).

The hassle with these  things is that I don't want my client to have to jump through any hoops to receive the file - you know what I mean - not having to rejoin split files - but maybe that's the only way for now.

I remember that there used to be a website called XShare (or something like that) where you could 5 or 10 MB of data, allocate a password. Anyone with the password could retrieve the file simply by clicking on the link.....they all seem to be with ongoing paid up membership now.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DJK(John) Robinson 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Kath

  I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
  compacted before zipping?

  If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then you can use it to
  split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the client
  site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there should be only a few
  chunks.

  I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.

  John


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
  > Kath Pelletti
  > Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
  > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
  > 
  > 
  > Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
  > 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
  > 
  > It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
  > and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
  > 
  > (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
  > 
  > 
  > TIA
  > Kath Pelletti
  > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  > Ph: 9505-6714
  > Fax: 9505-6430
  > sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
  > _______________________________________________
  > AccessD mailing list
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 07:42:39 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:42:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <000201c39895$3a222090$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <003f01c39899$fad16130$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks Steve. I'll check it out.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Developer 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:08 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Yahoo Briefcase is 30 MB, free, with a 5 mb per file limit.  The good
  thing is, it supports multiple (at least 2, anyway) simultaneous logins,
  so you and the client can both be signed it the same time.

  Steve


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:02 AM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file
  for a client to download from? 

  It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot
  zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

  (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


  TIA
  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
  _______________________________________________
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  Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 07:43:11 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:43:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <4736418.1066819615957.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
Message-ID: <004901c3989a$0e0b6840$6501a8c0@user>

Sounds good to me Paul - just no site of my own to ftp to...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:46 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage



  Just a thought but not sure how it works myself, isn't there a way that you could FTP the file to the web and then get your client to FTP it to their system.



  Message date : Oct 22 2003, 11:38 AM 
  >From : Kath Pelletti 
  To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Copy to : 
  Subject : Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 
  I don't want the client to have to put the files back together - but thanks for the tip - I'll look into it. 

  Kath 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:36 PM 
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 


  ...why not use one of the freeware zip file splitter utilities available 
  on-line? 

  William Hindman 
  - Do you want liberty in your lifetime? 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Kath Pelletti" 
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:01 AM 
  Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage 


  Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a 
  client to download from? 

  It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to 
  under 2.9 MB which is too large for them. 

  (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....) 


  TIA 
  Kath Pelletti 
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
  Ph: 9505-6714 
  Fax: 9505-6430 
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
  _______________________________________________ 
  AccessD mailing list 
  AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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  Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 07:50:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:50:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJBFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The problem with this kind of thing is I would have to run a query applying
that to every SSN in the database, currently 15 thousand!  And it would have
to be done either in the background or before they continued entering the
rest of the claimant info.  The idea after all is to alert them to the fact
tat there are N other records that might match what they keyed in.

I do love the idea though just in general "data checking" terms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the
> location of a single transposition error.
>

Too many potential false matches

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function
--
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 08:01:30 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:01:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJCFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stewart,

The code doesn't compile.  Loopcount doesn't exist and basestring in
checksum.

I dimmed the loopcount as int local, and am assuming that basestr is
actually teststr?

And of course an actual match should also match which it currently doesn't.
Cool function though!  I'm testing it now.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the
> location of a single transposition error.
>

Too many potential false matches

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 22 08:12:25 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:12:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
Message-ID: <020a01c3989e$24b5e120$bc449a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx
I know about shell and how to get it to work.
I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work

Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it
and shell to work together on the same line
I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)...

Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx"

any takers??

Many thanks

Darren



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 08:19:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:19:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stewart,

With the outlined changes, the code is working GREAT!!!  The speed is very
good on my system, which is not representative of my client unfortunately
since they are on a network with 30 people and using 500 mhz PIII computers.

I did want you to know that from very preliminary testing this code finds
two digit changes, transpositions etc.  Cool stuff!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the
> location of a single transposition error.
>

Too many potential false matches

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 08:26:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:26:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stuart,

Could you comment the code for me?  I have no idea what the hamming distance
is trying to accomplish and don't wish to take a class to figure it out.
Just a 1 paragraph overview at te top and a couple of line comments thrown
in would be a great help.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 21 Oct 2003 at 22:58, MartyConnelly wrote:

> Why not use a weighted checksum like the ISBN number, it will also
> indicated the position of a single substitution error and I think the
> location of a single transposition error.
>

Too many potential false matches

Combining HammingDistance with a straight Checksum seems to work
quite well though. Here's what I've come up with to test for a single
miskey or a transposition error:

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
Dim lngCheck As Long
For loopcount = 1 To Len(BaseString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
    Case 1 ' Miskey?
       PossibleMatch = True
    Case 2  'Possible transposition?
       If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
           PossibleMatch = True
       End If
    Case Else
       PossibleMatch = False
End Select
End Function
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 22 08:29:50 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:29:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
Message-ID: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>


Couldn't you write a batch file to register the ocx and then shell out to the batch file ?
Paul



Message date : Oct 22 2003, 02:23 PM 
>From : Darren DICK 
To : AccessD List 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please 
Hello all 
I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx 
I know about shell and how to get it to work. 
I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work 

Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it 
and shell to work together on the same line 
I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)... 

Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 

any takers?? 

Many thanks 

Darren 


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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 08:32:49 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:32:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F5iCEJNiabUJVe00022c70@hotmail.com>

Thanks, Bryan.  I'm going to give that a try.

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code



> > -----Original Message-----

> > > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in > > 
>the
> > table itself, from number to text?

On 21 Oct 2003 at 16:26, Reuben Cummings wrote:

>Based on our work on the Back End Upgrader, in order to change a
data
>type thru code you will need to create a new field, move the data
to
>the new field, delete the original field, and rename the new field.


Um, you aren't going to believe this Reuben but:

In A2K, with DAO referenced you can use ALTER TABLE to do it:

Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database

Set db = CurrentDb()
strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Table1 ALTER COLUMN fldText CHAR(10);"

db.Execute (strSQL)

Set db = Nothing

Where CHAR(10) indicated that it is being changed to a text field
with a length of 10 characters.

In my test fldText started out as a Long Integer field.

--
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Oct 22 08:41:00 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:41:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71B0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Kath

I have my own server, if I may remove it after he downloaded it you can
give it over to me....
My mail supports larger files, mail it to me and I put it on line....
I don't wanne give you a pass to upload FTP, but he can download it
without pass if you know the link.

I mail you the link directly after I have your file.
I stay another +/- 2 hours here, so mail it asap to me directly.

I promise to delete it tomorow or so....

Erwin



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Kath Pelletti
Verzonden: woensdag 22 oktober 2003 14:42
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


Yep - message back from client was "The recipient(s) indicated below did
not receive this message 
because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has 
been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient 
and request that space be made available within their mailbox." Yes I do
have version 8.1 but didn't know that I could split the zip file - so I
will look into that. Thanks.

William's tip led me to find a tool called GSplit which I am testing now
and it looks good (and free).

The hassle with these  things is that I don't want my client to have to
jump through any hoops to receive the file - you know what I mean - not
having to rejoin split files - but maybe that's the only way for now.

I remember that there used to be a website called XShare (or something
like that) where you could 5 or 10 MB of data, allocate a password.
Anyone with the password could retrieve the file simply by clicking on
the link.....they all seem to be with ongoing paid up membership now.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DJK(John) Robinson 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Kath

  I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
  compacted before zipping?

  If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then you can use
it to
  split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the
client
  site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there should be only
a few
  chunks.

  I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.

  John


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
  > Kath Pelletti
  > Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
  > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
  > 
  > 
  > Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
  > 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
  > 
  > It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
  > and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
  > 
  > (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
  > 
  > 
  > TIA
  > Kath Pelletti
  > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  > Ph: 9505-6714
  > Fax: 9505-6430
  > sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 08:46:05 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:46:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
In-Reply-To: <020a01c3989e$24b5e120$bc449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEHFDGAA.askolits@ot.com>


You can use the Shell, but I sometimes ran into problems with it.
This function will actually return a True or False if its registered or not.

Here's an example on how to use it:

Register The Control
call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)

Unregister control
call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)



Here's the code I use:
---------------------------------------------



Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lLibFileName As
String) As Long
Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32" (lThreadAttributes As
Any, _
    ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As Long, ByVal larameter
As Long, _
    ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hHandle
As Long, _
    ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hModule As
Long, _
    ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32" Alias "CallWindowProcA"
_
    (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal Msg As Long, _
    ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hLibModule As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As Long)
As Long
Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hThread As
Long, _
    lExitCode As Long) As Long
Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lExitCode As Long)




Function lbf_RegisterOCX(ByVal sFilePath As String, _
    Optional bRegister As Boolean = True) As Boolean

    Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long, lThreadID As Long, _
        lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As Long
    Dim sRegister As String

''**************************************************************************
******
''                         Procedure Identification
''--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
''    Name:         lbf_RegisterOCX
''
''    Purpose:  This function registers and Unregisters OLE components
''
''    Results:  Returns True if successful
''
''    Inputs:   sFilePath - The path to the DLL/OCX or ActiveX EXE
''               bRegister - If True Registers the control, else unregisters
control
''
''
''    Date/Author:   Andrewb 04/09/2000 Loaded into CDD Lib 10/07/03 John
Skolits
''**************************************************************************
******

On Error GoTo lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR

'*********BEGIN CODE HERE ********
Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20 secs for register to
complete

    If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0 Then
        'File exists
        If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
            'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
            If bRegister Then
                'Register EXE
                Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
            Else
                'Unregister ActiveX EXE
                Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER", vbHide
            End If
            lbf_RegisterOCX = True
        Else
            'Register/Unregister DLL
            If bRegister Then
                sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
            Else
                sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
            End If

            'Load library into current process
            lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)

            If lLibAddress Then
                'Get address of the DLL function
                lProcAddress = GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
                If lProcAddress Then
                    lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&, _
                    ByVal lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
                    If lThread Then
                        'Created thread and wait for it to terminate
                        lSuccess = (WaitForSingleObject(lThread,
clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
                        If Not lSuccess Then
                            'Failed to register, close thread
                            Call GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
                            Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
                            lbf_RegisterOCX = False
                        Else
                            'Successfully registered component
                            lbf_RegisterOCX = True
                            Call CloseHandle(lThread)
                        End If
                    End If
                    Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
                Else
                    'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
                    Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
                End If
            End If
        End If
    End If
    Exit Function

lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT:

Exit Function

lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR:                                    'Display the error


            MsgBox "ERROR CODE:" & Err & "   DESC:" & Error

            Resume lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT

End Function





From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 22 08:42:50 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:42:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
References: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>
Message-ID: <021401c398a2$63e21270$bc449a89@DDICK>

Hi Paul
Yep, but I want as little room for error as possible.
This would mean shipping a batch file, keeping an eye on another file etc etc blah blah

What will be actually run on the push of a button is actually much more complex than what I have 
typed here. I will be dimming various things based on values typed into a form then I am passing 
the values to the Dimmed ref 
I only sent the basics to the list  in the line Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 

Many thanks

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


> 
> Couldn't you write a batch file to register the ocx and then shell out to the batch file ?
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> Message date : Oct 22 2003, 02:23 PM 
> >From : Darren DICK 
> To : AccessD List 
> Copy to : 
> Subject : [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please 
> Hello all 
> I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx 
> I know about shell and how to get it to work. 
> I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work 
> 
> Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it 
> and shell to work together on the same line 
> I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)... 
> 
> Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 
> 
> any takers?? 
> 
> Many thanks 
> 
> Darren 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 22 08:54:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:54:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <15524801983.20031022155427@cactus.dk>

Hi John, Stewart

Would you mind sharing the revised code, please?

/gustav


> Stewart,

> With the outlined changes, the code is working GREAT!!!  ..


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 08:57:41 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:57:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F147wNdeKBwpai000022f8@hotmail.com>

Jim,

<<varLastRecord and lngOriginalColor are module level variables.>>

I guess I should read the emails more carefully...the statement I missed 
above made all the difference.

Thanks for the help!!!

Mark

>From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:23:40 -0400
>
>Mark,
>
><<I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below
>"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it..>>
>
>   Yes it does:
>
> > >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> > >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
>
><<is it an API declared
>in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a 
>value?>>
>
>   It would be a lot simpler to send you the sample database so you can 
>play
>with it.  Send me an e-mail off-list.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:18 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
>
>
>Jim,
>
>I apologize...I must be missing something...in the code below
>"varLastRecord" doesn't get a value assigned to it...is it an API declared
>in a module?  I declared it as a variant but this doesn't give it a value?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
> >From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:15:59 -0400
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >   Since it stores a bookmark, it must be a variant.
> >
> >Jim Dettman
> >President,
> >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> >(315) 699-3443
> >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> >Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:02 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> >
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >How was "varLastRecord" declared/defined?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:55 -0400
> > >
> > >Mark,
> > >
> > >   You can do it strictly with OnCurrent.  See code below. 
>varLastRecord
> > >and
> > >lngOriginalColor are module level variables.
> > >
> > >Jim Dettman
> > >President,
> > >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > >(315) 699-3443
> > >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > >Private Sub Form_Current()
> > >
> > >   Dim rst As Recordset
> > >
> > >   Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone
> > >
> > >   ' Set background color of last record back to default.
> > >   If IsEmpty(varLastRecord) Then
> > >     ' Nothing to do
> > >   Else
> > >       rst.Bookmark = varLastRecord
> > >       rst.Edit
> > >         rst![DisplayColorFlag] = lngOriginalColor
> > >       rst.Update
> > >       Set rst = Nothing
> > >   End If
> > >
> > >   ' Now set current record color, then change to something else
> > >   varLastRecord = Me.Bookmark
> > >
> > >   lngOriginalColor = Me![DisplayColorFlag]
> > >   Me![DisplayColorFlag] = 3
> > >
> > >
> > >End Sub
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:48 PM
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > >
> > >
> > >Hello All,
> > >
> > >thanks for the suggestions...I changed the value of a field(fldColor)
> > >ONCURRENT and used a text box stretched across the detail section with
> >the
> > >control source==IIf([fldColor]=1,True,"").  I then changed the value of
> > >fldColor back to 0 on the BEFORE UPDATE...the only problem is that this
> >is
> > >in a continuous subform...and when I move to another subform...the 
>BEFORE
> > >UPDATE fires...So I'm thinking putting a if statement determining 
>whether
> > >or
> > >not the subform still has focus...and not changing the color if true?
> >Any
> > >thoughts?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:07:25 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Jim,
> > > >
> > > >Is the OLE control something built in to Access?  I tend to avoid 
>(like
> > >the
> > > >plague) having things that have to be registered by my app.
> > > >
> > > >John W. Colby
> > > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > > >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:51 AM
> > > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >John,
> > > >
> > > >   Yes, that would work as well, as would storing a bookmark.  Both
> >would
> > > >be
> > > >faster then the function code posted.  The only drawback is that a
> > >requery
> > > >invalidates positions and bookmarks, but that is not a major obstacle
> >as
> > > >long as your aware of it.  The sample MDB I worked up has an example
> > >using
> > > >bookmarks.
> > > >
> > > >  You might want to take a look at the sample, as I use a slightly
> > > >different
> > > >technique (wish I could claim that I thought of it) to control row
> > >colors.
> > > >The technique (use of a bound OLE control) not only allows for
> >displaying
> > > >of
> > > >different colors, but graphics as well.  Quite flexible.
> > > >
> > > >Jim Dettman
> > > >President,
> > > >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > >(315) 699-3443
> > > >jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:14 PM
> > > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I went in to look at the demo.  It uses an entire function to get the
> > > >current line number.  In my framework I use
> > > >.RecordsetClone.AbsolutePosition.  Can anyone comment on whether this
> > > >replaces the function?
> > > >
> > > >John W. Colby
> > > >www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules,
> >Mark
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:59 PM
> > > >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Changing the Background Color of the Current Record in a Continuous
> >Form
> > > >http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0047.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> > > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >Subject: [AccessD] Highligt Row in Continuous Form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hello All,
> > > >
> > > >In A97 on a continuous form...I want to highlight or identify the row
> > >that
> > > >has focus.  Change the color of something...anything...but only on 
>that
> > > >record?  Is this possible?  Everything I tried changed the color of
> >every
> > > >instance of that control...not just the one on the current record?
> > > >
> > > >Any Ideas?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >Mark
> > > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 22 09:11:39 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:11:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
In-Reply-To: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>
References: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>
Message-ID: <5225834397.20031022161139@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

First, note the windir of Win9x and WinXP typically is C:\Windows, not
C:\WINNT.

Second, for long filenames, you probably need to add quotes before
passing the command line to Shell():

strCmd = Chr(34) & "C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe" & Chr(34) & " " &
Chr(34) & "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" & Chr(34)

or, for short filenames, you may not need them:

strCmd = "C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe" & " " &
"C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx"

Then adjust your Shell() syntax:

lngReturn = Shell(strCmd, vbNormalFocus)

/gustav


> I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx
> I know about shell and how to get it to work. 
> I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work 

> Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it 
> and shell to work together on the same line 
> I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)... 

> Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 


From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Wed Oct 22 09:11:59 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
In-Reply-To: <3F9594B6.5141.18CA963@localhost>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHOEMMEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

True, Bryan.  Thanks for pointing that out.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
> 
> 
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> 
> > > > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in
> > > > the
> > > table itself, from number to text?
> 
> On 21 Oct 2003 at 16:26, Reuben Cummings wrote:
> 
> > Based on our work on the Back End Upgrader, in order to change a 
> data
> > type thru code you will need to create a new field, move the data 
> to
> > the new field, delete the original field, and rename the new field.
> 
> 
> Um, you aren't going to believe this Reuben but:
> 
> In A2K, with DAO referenced you can use ALTER TABLE to do it:
> 
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> 
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Table1 ALTER COLUMN fldText CHAR(10);"
> 
> db.Execute (strSQL)
> 
> Set db = Nothing
> 
> Where CHAR(10) indicated that it is being changed to a text field 
> with a length of 10 characters.
> 
> In my test fldText started out as a Long Integer field.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Never let a computer see you hurry.
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 09:18:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:18:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <15524801983.20031022155427@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJJFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Would you mind sharing the revised code, please?

Function HammingDistance(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As Long
On Error GoTo Err_HammingDistance
Dim lngHamCount As Long
Dim lngLen As Long
Dim loopcount As Integer

lngLen = Len(BaseString)
If Len(TestString) <> lngLen Then
    HammingDistance = -1
    Exit Function
Else
  For loopcount = 1 To lngLen
     If Mid$(BaseString, loopcount, 1) <> Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1)
Then
        lngHamCount = lngHamCount + 1
     End If
  Next
End If
HammingDistance = lngHamCount
Exit_HammingDistance:
Exit Function
Err_HammingDistance:
        MsgBox err.Description, , "Error in Function
basSoundex.HammingDistance"

        Resume Exit_HammingDistance
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function

Function CheckSum(TestString) As Long
On Error GoTo Err_CheckSum
Dim lngCheck As Long
Dim loopcount As Integer
For loopcount = 1 To Len(TestString)
   lngCheck = lngCheck + Asc(Mid$(TestString, loopcount, 1))
Next
Exit_CheckSum:
Exit Function
Err_CheckSum:
        MsgBox err.Description, , "Error in Function basSoundex.CheckSum"

        Resume Exit_CheckSum
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function

Function PossibleMatch(BaseString As String, TestString As String) As
Boolean
On Error GoTo Err_PossibleMatch
    If BaseString = TestString Then
        PossibleMatch = True
    Else
        Select Case HammingDistance(BaseString, TestString)
            Case 1 ' Miskey?
               PossibleMatch = True
            Case 2  'Possible transposition?
               If CheckSum(BaseString) = CheckSum(TestString) Then
                   PossibleMatch = True
               End If
            Case Else
               PossibleMatch = False
        End Select
    End If
Exit_PossibleMatch:
Exit Function
Err_PossibleMatch:
        MsgBox err.Description, , "Error in Function
basSoundex.PossibleMatch"

        Resume Exit_PossibleMatch
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


Hi John, Stewart

Would you mind sharing the revised code, please?

/gustav


> Stewart,

> With the outlined changes, the code is working GREAT!!!  ..

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 22 09:55:06 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:55:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEHFDGAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <000901c398ac$7c96a470$bc449a89@DDICK>

John
You da man!!!

This is absolutely perfect. This has been an area I have been putting off for so long, you
have made it all so easy.
This list and its inhabitants are way cool.

Many many thanks

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


> 
> You can use the Shell, but I sometimes ran into problems with it.
> This function will actually return a True or False if its registered or not.
> 
> Here's an example on how to use it:
> 
> Register The Control
> call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)
> 
> Unregister control
> call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)
> 
> 
> 
> Here's the code I use:
> ---------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
> Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lLibFileName As
> String) As Long
> Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32" (lThreadAttributes As
> Any, _
>     ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As Long, ByVal larameter
> As Long, _
>     ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hHandle
> As Long, _
>     ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hModule As
> Long, _
>     ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
> Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32" Alias "CallWindowProcA"
> _
>     (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal Msg As Long, _
>     ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hLibModule As
> Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As Long)
> As Long
> Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hThread As
> Long, _
>     lExitCode As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lExitCode As Long)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Function lbf_RegisterOCX(ByVal sFilePath As String, _
>     Optional bRegister As Boolean = True) As Boolean
> 
>     Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long, lThreadID As Long, _
>         lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As Long
>     Dim sRegister As String
> 
> ''**************************************************************************
> ******
> ''                         Procedure Identification
> ''--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ''    Name:         lbf_RegisterOCX
> ''
> ''    Purpose:  This function registers and Unregisters OLE components
> ''
> ''    Results:  Returns True if successful
> ''
> ''    Inputs:   sFilePath - The path to the DLL/OCX or ActiveX EXE
> ''               bRegister - If True Registers the control, else unregisters
> control
> ''
> ''
> ''    Date/Author:   Andrewb 04/09/2000 Loaded into CDD Lib 10/07/03 John
> Skolits
> ''**************************************************************************
> ******
> 
> On Error GoTo lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR
> 
> '*********BEGIN CODE HERE ********
> Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20 secs for register to
> complete
> 
>     If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0 Then
>         'File exists
>         If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
>             'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
>             If bRegister Then
>                 'Register EXE
>                 Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
>             Else
>                 'Unregister ActiveX EXE
>                 Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER", vbHide
>             End If
>             lbf_RegisterOCX = True
>         Else
>             'Register/Unregister DLL
>             If bRegister Then
>                 sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
>             Else
>                 sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
>             End If
> 
>             'Load library into current process
>             lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)
> 
>             If lLibAddress Then
>                 'Get address of the DLL function
>                 lProcAddress = GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
>                 If lProcAddress Then
>                     lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&, _
>                     ByVal lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
>                     If lThread Then
>                         'Created thread and wait for it to terminate
>                         lSuccess = (WaitForSingleObject(lThread,
> clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
>                         If Not lSuccess Then
>                             'Failed to register, close thread
>                             Call GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
>                             Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
>                             lbf_RegisterOCX = False
>                         Else
>                             'Successfully registered component
>                             lbf_RegisterOCX = True
>                             Call CloseHandle(lThread)
>                         End If
>                     End If
>                     Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
>                 Else
>                     'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
>                     Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
>                 End If
>             End If
>         End If
>     End If
>     Exit Function
> 
> lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT:
> 
> Exit Function
> 
> lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR:                                    'Display the error
> 
> 
>             MsgBox "ERROR CODE:" & Err & "   DESC:" & Error
> 
>             Resume lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT
> 
> End Function
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 22 09:57:39 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:57:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
References: <20900399.1066829390512.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>
	<5225834397.20031022161139@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001b01c398ac$d75c1980$bc449a89@DDICK>

Hi Gustav
Again my many thanks
the & " " & was the trick <sigh>

Have a great day

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


> Hi Darren
> 
> First, note the windir of Win9x and WinXP typically is C:\Windows, not
> C:\WINNT.
> 
> Second, for long filenames, you probably need to add quotes before
> passing the command line to Shell():
> 
> strCmd = Chr(34) & "C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe" & Chr(34) & " " &
> Chr(34) & "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" & Chr(34)
> 
> or, for short filenames, you may not need them:
> 
> strCmd = "C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe" & " " &
> "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx"
> 
> Then adjust your Shell() syntax:
> 
> lngReturn = Shell(strCmd, vbNormalFocus)
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > I just want to set a quick and dirty bit of code to register an ocx
> > I know about shell and how to get it to work. 
> > I also know about regsvr and how to get it to work 
> 
> > Problem is RegSvr accepts command line parameters and I can't get it 
> > and shell to work together on the same line 
> > I need to get something like the following to work (pseudo code)... 
> 
> > Shell("C:\Winnt\System32\regsvr.exe",1) "C:\Winnt\system32\comctl32.ocx" 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 10:32:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:32:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123C7@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

>>I am of course open to **constructive!! ideas on how to make this
painless.

Hand it off to a subcontractor!! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


lol.

This is MY database, and I am using an autonumber for the PK of course.
I think what you are trying to ask is what am I using for the unique
index, and the answer is the SSN.  And yes, I have been party to the SSN
debate before.

In the end, you can't have a unique index on the last name, nor the
first name, nor both.  The claim data (injury) is doctor chicken scratch
so it is totally unreliable even taken in conjunction with last name
etc.

The data is normalized, claimant, claim (and a hundred more).  They
enter a claimant.  Then they enter the claim.  If they screw up the
claimant then the claim is attached to a "duplicate" claimant.  This is
not the end of the world, I have a combo in the claim form that allows a
supervisor to reassign the claim to a different claimant for exactly
this reason.

I am of course open to **constructive!! ideas on how to make this
painless.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


The names aren't consistent either? What's he using as a primary key? I
think you have more problems than incorrect ss#. :(

Susan H.


> My client is having difficulties where the data input people are 
> entering duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  
> He's asked how difficult it would be to do a search for the names 
> entered (seems
irrelevant
> if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
> logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I 
> don't even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas 
> (other than "out the door, no parachute")?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 22 10:44:26 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:44:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <200310220036.h9M0al602107@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022101249.0285b800@pop3.highstream.net>

John,

If you break the SSN up into its 3-2-4 components,
it would make it a bit easier to do a compare.
I also assume that you would be using a mask
to prevent anything but numbers in it.

The real way of "fixing" it would be to have a table
of claimants and make them select them from a list.

I just did something similar with an ADP to get around
the number of records they would have in a combobox.

Give them 2 text boxes at the bottom of a "select" form
where they would enter the first 3 characters of the
last name and the first 3 of the SSN.  Then limit
the display to those that match and give them a "select"
button to grab the one they want to use.  I had the
select form pop up when I entered the field I wanted
to grab the data for.

Robert

At 07:36 PM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
>duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
>difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems irrelevant
>if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a "fuzzy
>logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
>even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
>"out the door, no parachute")?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 10:47:28 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:47:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: "fuzzy logic" search
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022101249.0285b800@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <002101c398b3$cf6f6d60$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Arthur has a context-sensitive combo box control  too -- might be good in
this situation as well.

Susan H.


> John,
>
> If you break the SSN up into its 3-2-4 components,
> it would make it a bit easier to do a compare.
> I also assume that you would be using a mask
> to prevent anything but numbers in it.
>
> The real way of "fixing" it would be to have a table
> of claimants and make them select them from a list.
>
> I just did something similar with an ADP to get around
> the number of records they would have in a combobox.
>
> Give them 2 text boxes at the bottom of a "select" form
> where they would enter the first 3 characters of the
> last name and the first 3 of the SSN.  Then limit
> the display to those that match and give them a "select"
> button to grab the one they want to use.  I had the
> select form pop up when I entered the field I wanted
> to grab the data for.
>
> Robert
>
> At 07:36 PM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400
> >From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
> >To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
> >duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
> >difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
> >if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a
"fuzzy
> >logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
> >even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other
than
> >"out the door, no parachute")?
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 22 10:56:34 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:56:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
In-Reply-To: <200310221345.h9MDjW632043@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022105218.0284b2c0@pop3.highstream.net>

Marcel,

Looks like you are doing everything right.

Since you are using 2000, I would explore using
the MSDE for the backend.  You would be fine on
the number of users it is designed for.  Then I
would convert everything to an ADP and use ADO.
I have found that on one of my large forms, 8
subforms with 2 sub-subforms, in MDE it loaded
in about 15 seconds, in ADP < 2 seconds.

Sorry that I cannot give you any more advise than
that.

Robert

At 08:45 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:25 +0200
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <OFBDBE24B3.31190D20-ONC1256DC6.00304900 at achmea.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Robert,
>
>    The FE is always an MDE and is 11MB in size. De BE is always een MDB
>    which differs from 24 to 150 MB
>    Generaly there are five users who are updating and entering data and
>    about 2 users who only read data
>    The FE is always local on the computers. The BE is always in f:
>    \oop\oopdata.mdb
>     Alle forms are showing a limited no of records and are never bounded to
>    a table
>
>
>Thanks Marcel



From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Oct 22 11:00:12 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:00:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C751A6@ccemail2.cce.local>

Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 22 11:00:23 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:00:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Soundex Function
In-Reply-To: <200310221345.h9MDjW632043@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022105839.026fb1d8@pop3.highstream.net>

List,

Here are the functions required:

Function Soundex(ByVal strIn As String) As String
     ' Create a Soundex lookup string for the
     ' input text.
     ' Parameters:
     '   strIn:
     '       The text to encode
     ' Returns:
     '   Return value:
     '       strIn, converted to Soundex format.
     ' Other Functions Required:
     '   IsCharAlpha
     '   PadRight
     Dim strOut As String
     Dim intI As Integer
     Dim intPrev As Integer
     Dim strChar As String * 1
     Dim intChar As Integer
     Dim fPrevSeparator As Boolean
     strOut = ""
     strIn = UCase(strIn)
     fPrevSeparator = True
     strOut = Left$(strIn, 1)
     For intI = 2 To Len(strIn)
         ' If the output string is full, quit now.
         If Len(strOut) >= intLen Then
             Exit For
         End If
         ' Get each character, in turn. If the
         ' character's a letter, handle it.
         strChar = Mid$(strIn, intI, 1)
         If IsCharAlpha(strChar) Then
             ' Convert the character to its code.
             intChar = CharCode(strChar)
             ' If the character's not empty, and if it's not
             ' the same as the previous character, tack it
             ' onto the end of the string.
             If (intChar > 0) Then
                 If fPrevSeparator Or (intChar <> intPrev) Then
                     strOut = strOut & intChar
                     intPrev = intChar
                 End If
             End If
             fPrevSeparator = (intChar = 0)
         End If
     Next intI
     ' Return the string, right padded with 0's.
     Soundex = PadRight(strOut, intLen, "0")
End Function

Private Function CharCode(strChar As String) As Integer
     Select Case strChar
         Case "A", "E", "I", "O", "U", "Y"
             CharCode = 0
         Case "C", "G", "J", "K", "Q", "S", "X", "Z"
             CharCode = 2
         Case "D", "T"
             CharCode = 3
         Case "M", "N"
             CharCode = 5
         Case "B", "F", "P", "V"
             CharCode = 1
         Case "L"
             CharCode = 4
         Case "R"
             CharCode = 6
         Case Else
             CharCode = -1
     End Select
End Function

Function IsCharAlpha(strText As String) As Boolean
     ' Is the first character of strText an alphabetic character?
     ' Parameters:
     '   strText:
     '       Text to check. Only first character will be examined.
     ' Returns:
     '   Return Value:
     '       True if first character of strText is alphabetic in
     '       the current locale.
     ' Example:
     '   If IsCharAlpha(strSomeValue) Then
     '       ' you know the first character is alphabetic.
     '   End If
     ' Other Functions Required:
     '   IsCharsetWide
     ' Other Functions Using This One:
     '   Soundex
     '   IsCharNumeric

     If IsCharsetWide() Then
         IsCharAlpha = CBool(IsCharAlphaW(AscW(strText)))
     Else
         IsCharAlpha = CBool(IsCharAlphaA(Asc(strText)))
     End If
End Function

Function SoundsLike(ByVal strItem1 As String, ByVal strItem2 As String, _
         Optional fIsSoundex As Boolean = False) As Integer
     ' Return a number between 0 and 4 (4 being the best) indicating
     ' the similarity between the Soundex representation for
     ' two strings.
     ' Other Functions Required:
     '   Soundex
     ' Parameters:
     '   strItem1 , strItem2:
     '       Strings to compare
     '   fIsSoundex (Optional, default False):
     '       Are the strings already in Soundex format?
     ' Returns:
     '   Return Value:
     '       Integer between 0 (not similar) and intLen (very similar) 
indicating
     '       the similarity in the Soundex representation of the two strings.
     ' Note:
     '   This code is extremely low-tech. Don't laugh! It just compares
     '   the two Soundex strings until it doesn't find a match, and returns
     '   the position where the two diverged.
     '   Remember, two Soundex strings are completely different if the
     '   original words start with different characters. That is, this
     '   function always returns 0 unless the two words begin with the
     '   same character.
     Dim intI As Integer
     If Not fIsSoundex Then
         strItem1 = Soundex(strItem1)
         strItem2 = Soundex(strItem2)
     End If
     For intI = 1 To intLen
         If Mid$(strItem1, intI, 1) <> Mid$(strItem2, intI, 1) Then
             Exit For
         End If
     Next intI
     SoundsLike = (intI - 1)
End Function


At 08:45 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:24:18 -0400
>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <3F961482.29626.108D43 at localhost>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>On 21 Oct 2003 at 20:32, John Colby wrote:
>
> > Hmmm soundex would be good though.  Do you have this function?  Is it
> > a class, a single function?  How does it work?
>
>ADH has a Soundex Version. I don't recall if it's a single procedure
>or a series of procedures. I don't think it's a class though.
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>RAM Disk is not an installation technique!



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 11:15:54 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:15:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123C8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Are you using the Access VSS addin that comes with developers edition?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 11:26:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:26:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022101249.0285b800@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEJOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>The real way of "fixing" it would be to have a table of claimants and make
them select them from a list.

That's exactly what happens.  However in order to select the claimant, they
have to get the SSN right which isn't happening.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re: "fuzzy logic" search


John,

If you break the SSN up into its 3-2-4 components,
it would make it a bit easier to do a compare.
I also assume that you would be using a mask
to prevent anything but numbers in it.

The real way of "fixing" it would be to have a table
of claimants and make them select them from a list.

I just did something similar with an ADP to get around
the number of records they would have in a combobox.

Give them 2 text boxes at the bottom of a "select" form
where they would enter the first 3 characters of the
last name and the first 3 of the SSN.  Then limit
the display to those that match and give them a "select"
button to grab the one they want to use.  I had the
select form pop up when I entered the field I wanted
to grab the data for.

Robert

At 07:36 PM 10/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:05:43 -0400
>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHKFGAA.jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>My client is having difficulties where the data input people are entering
>duplicate claims because wrong names or SSNs are entered.  He's asked how
>difficult it would be to do a search for the names entered (seems
irrelevant
>if it is wrong) but then has asked how difficult it would be to do a "fuzzy
>logic" search for SSNs that are different by up to 2 characters.  I don't
>even have a clue how to attack something like that.  Any ideas (other than
>"out the door, no parachute")?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com


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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 12:13:12 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:13:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code
Message-ID: <Sea1-F274uaSXdUjpsz00022679@hotmail.com>

Bryan, this worked perfectly.  Thank you!

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Set a field data type via code



> > -----Original Message-----

> > > Is it possible to use code (cbf) to change a field's data type, in > > 
>the
> > table itself, from number to text?


In A2K, with DAO referenced you can use ALTER TABLE to do it:

Dim strSQL As String
Dim db As DAO.Database

Set db = CurrentDb()
strSQL = "ALTER TABLE Table1 ALTER COLUMN fldText CHAR(10);"

db.Execute (strSQL)

Set db = Nothing

Where CHAR(10) indicated that it is being changed to a text field
with a length of 10 characters.

In my test fldText started out as a Long Integer field.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Never let a computer see you hurry.

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 13:35:32 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:35:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F274uaSXdUjpsz00022679@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031022183532.26270.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com>



I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Oct 22 14:09:03 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:09:03 -0500
Subject: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0117@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIIELDDBAA.greggs@msn.com>

Virginia,

Is your Access 2K running SP1?

Gregg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:50 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Crashes Sending Email


I have a database set up so an email notification is sent via Outlook for
new task assignments. I have not had any problems until converting the
database from 97 to A2K. Outlook will open with the message completed, but
after I press Send, I get a page fault error and it crashes:
MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at
017f:bff7a138.

What can I do to prevent the database from crashing every time I press Send?
Why is it happening in A2K?

Virginia

This is the code I have on the button to send the emails.
*********************
'New assignment of EFR.
Dim Mess As String, Subject As String, Recipient As String, Cc As String,
Bcc As String
Dim Msg, Style, Title, Response, MyString
    Beep
Msg = "Do you want to send a notification ?"   ' Define message.
Style = vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1 ' Define buttons.
Title = "New EFR Assignment"  ' Define title.

        ' Display message.
Response = MsgBox(Msg, Style, Title)
If Response = vbYes Then    ' User chose Yes.
MyString = "Yes"    ' Perform some action.

    Recipient = DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]")
    Subject = "New Equipment Failure Report EFR-" +
CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000"))
    Cc = "Robert Cross; Chris Hoffman"
    Bcc = "Virginia Hollis"
    Mess = "You have been assigned the following Equipment Failure Report: "
+ vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "EFR-" + CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000")) + vbCrLf + _
    "Assigned to: " + DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]") + vbCrLf + _
    "ATR: " + CStr([ATRNumber]) + vbCrLf + _
    "Date assigned: " + CStr([DateMail]) + vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "Please complete your review within the next five (5) days."

On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.SendObject , , , Recipient, Cc, Bcc, Subject, Mess


Else    ' User chose No.
    MyString = "No" ' Perform some action.

End If


Exit_cmdNew_Click:
Exit Sub

Err_cmdNew_Click:
    Select Case Err
    Case 0      'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   'All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox Error$, , "Error in function Form_frmNewEFR.cmdNew _Click"
    Resume Exit_cmdNew_Click
    End Select
    Resume Next    'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 14:06:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:06:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Oct 22 14:15:01 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:15:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Visual Source Safe and ADP file
In-Reply-To: <200310221700.h9MH0L626105@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022140218.026a22c0@pop3.highstream.net>

Susan,

I answered this yesterday.

The answer is no.  Since Access stores everything as a binary object, you 
cannot do it in what you would thing would be a "normal" way of doing it.

But, here is a way of exporting the individual objects out to a text file 
so you can store them in VSS individually.  There is also a function to 
recover them from the text file, and 2 sample functions on how to use it.

Public Sub FormLoadFromText(strForm As String, strPath As String)
     ' A2K and later
     ' Loads Form from Text File
     Dim strFullPath As String
     strFullPath = strPath & "\" & strForm & ".txt"
     Application.LoadFromText acForm, strForm, strFullPath
End Sub

Public Sub FormSaveAsText(strForm As String, strPath As String)
     ' A2K and later
     ' Saves Forms to Text Files
     Dim strFullPath As String
     strFullPath = strPath & "\" & strForm & ".txt"
     Application.SaveAsText acForm, strForm, strFullPath
End Sub

Public Sub Setup_Load()
     Dim strPath As String
     strPath = "C:\Projects\Samples\QueryTest"  ' Your path here
     FormLoadFromText "frmTestSub_Dyn", strPath
     FormLoadFromText "frmTestSub_Fn", strPath
     FormLoadFromText "frmTestSub", strPath
     FormLoadFromText "frmTestLst", strPath
End Sub

Public Sub Setup_Save()
     Dim strPath As String
     strPath = "C:\Projects\Samples\QueryTest"  ' Your path here
     FormSaveAsText "frmTestLst", strPath
     FormSaveAsText "frmTestSub", strPath
     FormSaveAsText "frmTestSub_Dyn", strPath
     FormSaveAsText "frmTestSub_Fn", strPath
End Sub

FYI, here are the SaveAsText and LoadFromText options for the first parameter:

acDataAccessPage
acDiagram
acForm
acFunction
acMacro
acModule
acQuery
acReport
acServerView
acStoredProcedure
acTable


At 12:00 PM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:00:12 -0500
>From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
>Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C751A6 at ccemail2.cce.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
>adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
>file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
>report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)
>
>--Susan



From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Oct 22 14:35:14 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:35:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C751B0@ccemail2.cce.local>

Nope, we are using VSS version 6.0. We bought it to use primarily for
our .NET applications, but are going to use it with our ADP's also.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Are you using the Access VSS addin that comes with developers edition?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 22 14:54:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:54:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
Message-ID: <2246378849.20031022215404@cactus.dk>

Hi all

We had a need for a bulletproof method to retrieve the path from a
full filename or from a path with no filename.
Much to my surprise, all the "quickies" I could locate around the net
(including so called expert and guru sites) and the FileSystem object
as well fail for one or more common structures like UNC paths and/or
relative paths.

Also, this was for "air" filenames which may not yet exist so any use
of Dir() and the like was out of the question. Further, InStrRev()
could not be used as it was for A97.

Below is the function. Any comments - indeed those on bugs or
misbehaviour - are appreciated.

Beware of line breaks.

/gustav

PS: A _really_ freaky class implementation which I didn't even
consider to port and test is found here:

  http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/cod_GetChris.htm

<code>

Public Function GetPathOfFile(ByVal strFile As String) As String

' Returns path of full filename.
' Accepts relative path and UNC names.

' Examples:
'
'   c:\name               c:\
'   c:\name\              c:\name\
'   c:\name\file          c:\name\
'   c:name                c:
'   c:name\               c:name\
'   c:name\file           c:name\
'   c:                    c:
'   c:\                   c:\
'   \name                 \
'   \name\                \name\
'   \name\file            \name\
'   .\                    .\
'   .\name                .\
'   .\name\               .\name\
'   .\name\file           .\name\
'   ..\                   ..\
'   ..\name               ..\
'   ..\name\              ..\name\
'   ..\name\file          ..\name\
'   \\fs1                 \\fs1
'   \\fs1\                \\fs1\
'   \\fs1\name            \\fs1\
'   \\fs1\name\           \\fs1\name\
'   \\fs1\name\file       \\fs1\name\
'   vbNullString          vbNullString

' 2003-10-21. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrChrBackslash  As String * 1 = "\"
  Const cstrChrColon      As String * 1 = ":"
  Const clngUNCHeader     As Long = 2
  
  Dim lngPos              As Long
  Dim lngPosPrev          As Long
  Dim lngPosMin           As Long
  Dim strPath             As String
  
  If StrComp(Left(strFile, clngUNCHeader), String(clngUNCHeader, cstrChrBackslash), vbBinaryCompare) = 0 Then
    ' Full name is an UNC path.
    ' Skip leading double slash.
    lngPosMin = clngUNCHeader
  End If
  ' Search for last backslash in full name.
  Do
    lngPosPrev = lngPos
    lngPos = InStr(1 + lngPos + lngPosMin, strFile, cstrChrBackslash, vbBinaryCompare)
  Loop While lngPos > 0
  
  If lngPosPrev > 0 Then
    ' UNC server or drive letter. Path specified in full.
    strPath = Left(strFile, lngPosPrev)
  ElseIf lngPosMin = 0 Then
    ' Current (not known) dir of drive.
    ' Return drive letter only with no trailing backslash.
    strPath = Left(strFile, InStr(strFile, cstrChrColon))
  Else
    ' UNC server name only.
    strPath = strFile
  End If
  
  GetPathOfFile = strPath
  
End Function

</code>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 15:01:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:01:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I haven't tried it with an ADP but to check objects in and out of VSS
for an MDB, you need the VSS add-in that comes with the Office
Developer.  If you add the database to SourceSafe from within Access, it
creates separate objects for forms, reports, macros and modules,
although tables, references and toolbars are all in a combined project
file, so you can only check them out as a group.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Nope, we are using VSS version 6.0. We bought it to use primarily for
our .NET applications, but are going to use it with our ADP's also.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Are you using the Access VSS addin that comes with developers edition?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Oct 22 15:37:04 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:37:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C751B9@ccemail2.cce.local>

We do own the developer tools so I'll put on that add in and try it out.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


I haven't tried it with an ADP but to check objects in and out of VSS
for an MDB, you need the VSS add-in that comes with the Office
Developer.  If you add the database to SourceSafe from within Access, it
creates separate objects for forms, reports, macros and modules,
although tables, references and toolbars are all in a combined project
file, so you can only check them out as a group.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Nope, we are using VSS version 6.0. We bought it to use primarily for
our .NET applications, but are going to use it with our ADP's also.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Are you using the Access VSS addin that comes with developers edition?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Source Safe and ADP file


Does anybody  know if you can use VSS to check in/out only parts of an
adp file at a time?  Right now I only see how to check in/our the whole
file, but I'd like to be able to check in/our just a single form or
report.  (Access XP, VSS 6.0)

--Susan

Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 15:58:44 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:58:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20031022205844.43422.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com>



Actually I am writing code in database A and want to export a report object that is in database B.



Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: Is DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 22 16:02:53 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0121@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Yes it is. - SR-1

-----Original Message-----
From: Greggs [mailto:greggs at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email


Virginia,

Is your Access 2K running SP1?

Gregg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:50 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Crashes Sending Email


I have a database set up so an email notification is sent via Outlook for
new task assignments. I have not had any problems until converting the
database from 97 to A2K. Outlook will open with the message completed, but
after I press Send, I get a page fault error and it crashes:
MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at
017f:bff7a138.

What can I do to prevent the database from crashing every time I press Send?
Why is it happening in A2K?

Virginia

This is the code I have on the button to send the emails.
*********************
'New assignment of EFR.
Dim Mess As String, Subject As String, Recipient As String, Cc As String,
Bcc As String
Dim Msg, Style, Title, Response, MyString
    Beep
Msg = "Do you want to send a notification ?"   ' Define message.
Style = vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1 ' Define buttons.
Title = "New EFR Assignment"  ' Define title.

        ' Display message.
Response = MsgBox(Msg, Style, Title)
If Response = vbYes Then    ' User chose Yes.
MyString = "Yes"    ' Perform some action.

    Recipient = DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]")
    Subject = "New Equipment Failure Report EFR-" +
CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000"))
    Cc = "Robert Cross; Chris Hoffman"
    Bcc = "Virginia Hollis"
    Mess = "You have been assigned the following Equipment Failure Report: "
+ vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "EFR-" + CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000")) + vbCrLf + _
    "Assigned to: " + DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]") + vbCrLf + _
    "ATR: " + CStr([ATRNumber]) + vbCrLf + _
    "Date assigned: " + CStr([DateMail]) + vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "Please complete your review within the next five (5) days."

On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.SendObject , , , Recipient, Cc, Bcc, Subject, Mess


Else    ' User chose No.
    MyString = "No" ' Perform some action.

End If


Exit_cmdNew_Click:
Exit Sub

Err_cmdNew_Click:
    Select Case Err
    Case 0      'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   'All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox Error$, , "Error in function Form_frmNewEFR.cmdNew _Click"
    Resume Exit_cmdNew_Click
    End Select
    Resume Next    'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 22 16:26:26 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:26:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Check for Null on a Subform
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0122@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Before a form is closed I need to check for an entry in a certain field
(TypeTask) on a subform. How do I refer to the subform (frm_DDPSub) from a
close button on the main form (frm_DDPMain)?
 
I tried this code on the close button, but get an error - "Object does not
support this property or method". What am I doing wrong?
 
Virginia
 
*****************
  If IsNull(Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.TypeTask) Then
            MsgBox "The type of task must be entered" & vbCrLf, vbCritical,
" Entry Required"
        DoCmd.CancelEvent
        Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub!TypeTask.SetFocus
                        
    Else
        DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
        DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
    End If

From greggs at msn.com  Wed Oct 22 16:41:23 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:41:23 -0500
Subject: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0121@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIKELIDBAA.greggs@msn.com>

SR1 had a bug that is fixed in SR3.  Here's the Knowledge Base Article
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;260819&Product=acc20
00

You can either do the work around or get your guys to load up SR3.  As you
will see... SR3 would be more fun.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email


Yes it is. - SR-1

-----Original Message-----
From: Greggs [mailto:greggs at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [Accessd] Crashes Sending Email


Virginia,

Is your Access 2K running SP1?

Gregg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:50 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Crashes Sending Email


I have a database set up so an email notification is sent via Outlook for
new task assignments. I have not had any problems until converting the
database from 97 to A2K. Outlook will open with the message completed, but
after I press Send, I get a page fault error and it crashes:
MSACCESS caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at
017f:bff7a138.

What can I do to prevent the database from crashing every time I press Send?
Why is it happening in A2K?

Virginia

This is the code I have on the button to send the emails.
*********************
'New assignment of EFR.
Dim Mess As String, Subject As String, Recipient As String, Cc As String,
Bcc As String
Dim Msg, Style, Title, Response, MyString
    Beep
Msg = "Do you want to send a notification ?"   ' Define message.
Style = vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton1 ' Define buttons.
Title = "New EFR Assignment"  ' Define title.

        ' Display message.
Response = MsgBox(Msg, Style, Title)
If Response = vbYes Then    ' User chose Yes.
MyString = "Yes"    ' Perform some action.

    Recipient = DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]")
    Subject = "New Equipment Failure Report EFR-" +
CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000"))
    Cc = "Robert Cross; Chris Hoffman"
    Bcc = "Virginia Hollis"
    Mess = "You have been assigned the following Equipment Failure Report: "
+ vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "EFR-" + CStr(Format([FailureReportNo], "00000")) + vbCrLf + _
    "Assigned to: " + DLookup("[Initiator]", "qryInitiator",
"[EngineerID]=[Forms]![frmNewEFR]![EngineerID]") + vbCrLf + _
    "ATR: " + CStr([ATRNumber]) + vbCrLf + _
    "Date assigned: " + CStr([DateMail]) + vbCrLf + vbCrLf + _
    "Please complete your review within the next five (5) days."

On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.SendObject , , , Recipient, Cc, Bcc, Subject, Mess


Else    ' User chose No.
    MyString = "No" ' Perform some action.

End If


Exit_cmdNew_Click:
Exit Sub

Err_cmdNew_Click:
    Select Case Err
    Case 0      'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
        Resume Next
    Case Else   'All other errors will trap
        Beep
        MsgBox Error$, , "Error in function Form_frmNewEFR.cmdNew _Click"
    Resume Exit_cmdNew_Click
    End Select
    Resume Next    'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Wed Oct 22 16:39:28 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825F1@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 16:47:55 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:47:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Check for Null on a Subform
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0122@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c398e6$2714a3f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Virginia

...try If IsNull(Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.Form!TypeTask) Then

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Check for Null on a Subform


> Before a form is closed I need to check for an entry in a certain field
> (TypeTask) on a subform. How do I refer to the subform (frm_DDPSub) from a
> close button on the main form (frm_DDPMain)?
>
> I tried this code on the close button, but get an error - "Object does not
> support this property or method". What am I doing wrong?
>
> Virginia
>
> *****************
>   If IsNull(Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.TypeTask) Then
>             MsgBox "The type of task must be entered" & vbCrLf,
vbCritical,
> " Entry Required"
>         DoCmd.CancelEvent
>         Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub!TypeTask.SetFocus
>
>     Else
>         DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
>         DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
>     End If
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 22 16:52:10 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:52:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71B0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <006901c398e6$bf257930$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks for the offer Erwin - I went offline before you sent this but it looks like the client has emptied their mailbox anyway and has now received the 2.8 MB file OK.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erwin Craps 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:41 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Hi Kath

  I have my own server, if I may remove it after he downloaded it you can
  give it over to me....
  My mail supports larger files, mail it to me and I put it on line....
  I don't wanne give you a pass to upload FTP, but he can download it
  without pass if you know the link.

  I mail you the link directly after I have your file.
  I stay another +/- 2 hours here, so mail it asap to me directly.

  I promise to delete it tomorow or so....

  Erwin



  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
  Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Kath Pelletti
  Verzonden: woensdag 22 oktober 2003 14:42
  Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Yep - message back from client was "The recipient(s) indicated below did
  not receive this message 
  because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has 
  been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient 
  and request that space be made available within their mailbox." Yes I do
  have version 8.1 but didn't know that I could split the zip file - so I
  will look into that. Thanks.

  William's tip led me to find a tool called GSplit which I am testing now
  and it looks good (and free).

  The hassle with these  things is that I don't want my client to have to
  jump through any hoops to receive the file - you know what I mean - not
  having to rejoin split files - but maybe that's the only way for now.

  I remember that there used to be a website called XShare (or something
  like that) where you could 5 or 10 MB of data, allocate a password.
  Anyone with the password could retrieve the file simply by clicking on
  the link.....they all seem to be with ongoing paid up membership now.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: DJK(John) Robinson 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


    Kath

    I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
    compacted before zipping?

    If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then you can use
  it to
    split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the
  client
    site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there should be only
  a few
    chunks.

    I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.

    John


    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
    > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
    > Kath Pelletti
    > Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
    > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    > Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
    > 
    > 
    > Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
    > 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
    > 
    > It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
    > and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
    > 
    > (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
    > 
    > 
    > TIA
    > Kath Pelletti
    > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    > Ph: 9505-6714
    > Fax: 9505-6430
    > sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 17:05:09 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:05:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825F1@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKMFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

yes, there is.  One "undocumented" method is to

1) Export the class module to a text file (extension .txt).

2 look for the following at the top of the text file:

VERSION 1.0 CLASS
BEGIN
  MultiUse = -1  'True
END
Attribute VB_Name = "clsMyClassName"
Attribute VB_GlobalNameSpace = False
Attribute VB_Creatable = False
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = False

3) Set

Attribute VB_Creatable = False

to

Attribute VB_Creatable = True

4) Set

Attribute VB_Exposed = False

to

Attribute VB_Exposed = True

5) Save the text file

6) Open the library
7) Click Insert / Class from the file menu
8) The code IDE will open
9) Click Insert / File from the file menu.  Find the file using the file
find browser and select it.

10) The text will be inserted inside of your class.
11) Compile and fix the compile errors.
12) Save the class.

You should now be able to "see" the classes from a FE that references your
library, use intellisense on it etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 22 17:09:40 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:09:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7816@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Well here is my little GetPath routine which does not use InstrRev either,
but seems a lot simpler than yours. It also returns the same results as your
function ...

Function GetPath(aPath) As String
' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
' leaves the trailing slash on there
Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
    aSlash = 0
    foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
    While (foo > 0)
        aSlash = foo
        foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
    Wend
    If aSlash > 0 Then
        GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
    Else
        GetPath = aPath
    End If
End Function

This little routine was written before I'd written a version of InstrRev for
Access97...

Function InStrR(varText As Variant, strFind As String) As Integer
   Dim n As Integer, nStart As Integer
    n = Len(strFind)
    If IsNull(varText) Or n = 0 Then
        InStrR = 0
        Exit Function
    End If
    nStart = Len(varText) - n
    While nStart > 0
        n = InStr(nStart, varText, strFind)
        If n = 0 Then
            nStart = nStart - 1
        Else
            InStrR = n
            Exit Function
        End If
    Wend
    InStrR = 0
End Function

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:54 PM
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Get path from full file name
> 
> Hi all
> 
> We had a need for a bulletproof method to retrieve the path from a
> full filename or from a path with no filename.
> Much to my surprise, all the "quickies" I could locate around the net
> (including so called expert and guru sites) and the FileSystem object
> as well fail for one or more common structures like UNC paths and/or
> relative paths.
> 
> Also, this was for "air" filenames which may not yet exist so any use
> of Dir() and the like was out of the question. Further, InStrRev()
> could not be used as it was for A97.
> 
> Below is the function. Any comments - indeed those on bugs or
> misbehaviour - are appreciated.
> 
> Beware of line breaks.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> PS: A _really_ freaky class implementation which I didn't even
> consider to port and test is found here:
> 
>   http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/cod_GetChris.htm
> 
> <code>
> 
> Public Function GetPathOfFile(ByVal strFile As String) As String
> 
> ' Returns path of full filename.
> ' Accepts relative path and UNC names.
> 
> ' Examples:
> '
> '   c:\name               c:\
> '   c:\name\              c:\name\
> '   c:\name\file          c:\name\
> '   c:name                c:
> '   c:name\               c:name\
> '   c:name\file           c:name\
> '   c:                    c:
> '   c:\                   c:\
> '   \name                 \
> '   \name\                \name\
> '   \name\file            \name\
> '   .\                    .\
> '   .\name                .\
> '   .\name\               .\name\
> '   .\name\file           .\name\
> '   ..\                   ..\
> '   ..\name               ..\
> '   ..\name\              ..\name\
> '   ..\name\file          ..\name\
> '   \\fs1                 \\fs1
> '   \\fs1\                \\fs1\
> '   \\fs1\name            \\fs1\
> '   \\fs1\name\           \\fs1\name\
> '   \\fs1\name\file       \\fs1\name\
> '   vbNullString          vbNullString
> 
> ' 2003-10-21. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.
> 
>   Const cstrChrBackslash  As String * 1 = "\"
>   Const cstrChrColon      As String * 1 = ":"
>   Const clngUNCHeader     As Long = 2
>   
>   Dim lngPos              As Long
>   Dim lngPosPrev          As Long
>   Dim lngPosMin           As Long
>   Dim strPath             As String
>   
>   If StrComp(Left(strFile, clngUNCHeader), String(clngUNCHeader,
> cstrChrBackslash), vbBinaryCompare) = 0 Then
>     ' Full name is an UNC path.
>     ' Skip leading double slash.
>     lngPosMin = clngUNCHeader
>   End If
>   ' Search for last backslash in full name.
>   Do
>     lngPosPrev = lngPos
>     lngPos = InStr(1 + lngPos + lngPosMin, strFile, cstrChrBackslash,
> vbBinaryCompare)
>   Loop While lngPos > 0
>   
>   If lngPosPrev > 0 Then
>     ' UNC server or drive letter. Path specified in full.
>     strPath = Left(strFile, lngPosPrev)
>   ElseIf lngPosMin = 0 Then
>     ' Current (not known) dir of drive.
>     ' Return drive letter only with no trailing backslash.
>     strPath = Left(strFile, InStr(strFile, cstrChrColon))
>   Else
>     ' UNC server name only.
>     strPath = strFile
>   End If
>   
>   GetPathOfFile = strPath
>   
> End Function
> 
> </code>
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 22 17:17:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:17:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Soundex Function
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031022105839.026fb1d8@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <200310221345.h9MDjW632043@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F978EA7.31248.3FDF0C@localhost>

On 22 Oct 2003 at 11:00, Robert L. Stewart wrote:
>      '   Return Value:
>      '       Integer between 0 (not similar) and intLen (very similar) 
> indicating
>      '       the similarity in the Soundex representation of the two strings.
>      ' Note:
>      '   This code is extremely low-tech. Don't laugh! It just compares
>      '   the two Soundex strings until it doesn't find a match, and returns
>      '   the position where the two diverged.
>      '   Remember, two Soundex strings are completely different if the
>      '   original words start with different characters. That is, this
>      '   function always returns 0 unless the two words begin with the
>      '   same character.

Take a look at the "Hamming Distance" function I posted earlier. That 
is a generally accepted measure of the "differentness" of thwo 
strings.

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 22 17:17:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:17:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJDFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3F96FE1B.15181.146B7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F978EA7.2090.3FE04D@localhost>

On 22 Oct 2003 at 9:26, John Colby wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> Could you comment the code for me?  I have no idea what the hamming distance
> is trying to accomplish and don't wish to take a class to figure it out.
> Just a 1 paragraph overview at te top and a couple of line comments thrown
> in would be a great help.
> 

Sorry, I thought it was fairly obvious.

Hamming Distance is a measure of the "differentness" of two strings:
It is just a count  of the number of locations within a string  which 
are different. The function just checks whether the two strings are 
the same length and then steps through them comparing the character 
at each location.

I used a flag of -1 to indicate that the strings where a different 
length.
A perfect match  has a Hamming Distance of 0.
If one character has been mistyped, there will be a Hamming Distance 
of 1.  If two mistypes (including  a transposition of two digits) the 
Hamming Distance will be 2 etc.

I just check for a Hamming Distance of 1, or a distance of 2 where 
the checksum of the two strings is the same (an indication that they 
are likely to contain the same set of characters)

 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 22 17:21:39 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:21:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Export what, the object or the report it generates?  It isn't clear
exactly what you want to do.  Is the code supposed to execute in
database A to open database B and do something there?  Is database B
open or being opened at all, or what?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




Actually I am writing code in database A and want to export a report
object that is in database B.



Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: Is
DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 22 17:30:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:30:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search
In-Reply-To: <3F978EA7.2090.3FE04D@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEKOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "fuzzy logic" search


On 22 Oct 2003 at 9:26, John Colby wrote:

> Stuart,
>
> Could you comment the code for me?  I have no idea what the hamming
distance
> is trying to accomplish and don't wish to take a class to figure it out.
> Just a 1 paragraph overview at te top and a couple of line comments thrown
> in would be a great help.
>

Sorry, I thought it was fairly obvious.

Hamming Distance is a measure of the "differentness" of two strings:
It is just a count  of the number of locations within a string  which
are different. The function just checks whether the two strings are
the same length and then steps through them comparing the character
at each location.

I used a flag of -1 to indicate that the strings where a different
length.
A perfect match  has a Hamming Distance of 0.
If one character has been mistyped, there will be a Hamming Distance
of 1.  If two mistypes (including  a transposition of two digits) the
Hamming Distance will be 2 etc.

I just check for a Hamming Distance of 1, or a distance of 2 where
the checksum of the two strings is the same (an indication that they
are likely to contain the same set of characters)


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 22 17:33:47 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:33:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Check for Null on a Subform
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0122@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3F97926B.12791.4E93A4@localhost>

On 22 Oct 2003 at 16:26, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> Before a form is closed I need to check for an entry in a certain field
> (TypeTask) on a subform. How do I refer to the subform (frm_DDPSub) from a
> close button on the main form (frm_DDPMain)?
>  
Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.Form!TypeTask)
instead of
Forms!frm_DDPMain!frm_DDPSub.TypeTask
(Note the extra "Form!")


 
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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Oct 22 20:49:14 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:49:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227346@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <011401c39907$e4e17ef0$6501a8c0@rock>

Just out of curiosity, has anyone followed this up with actual
benchmarks? (I ask this because a man with whom I communicate
frequently, Joe Celko, a well-known SQL expert, has said that the lookup
speed difference between a 10-char value and a long int on modern
systems is the least significant of our problems.)

Assuming you code 5+4 zips as 9-digit zips (eliminating the "-"), does
anyone on the list have a sufficiently large sample to actually
benchmark this meaningfully? By that I mean that about 1M rows, two
columns, one of each data type, indexes to suit, and a timer to verify
the results?

And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have any ideas on how to
negate the cache in repeated searches? I'm thinking that the way is to
search for non-existent values, but that's just an armchair guess
unsupported by facts or knowledge about cache-algorithms.

Anybody got such a db that you can send me without violating copyrights
etc.?

Assuming factorial(9) is the maximum number of 5+4 zip codes, what is
the actual number currently?

Is there any zip code that begins with "0"? And if so, what about "00"?

Is there any logic to the expansion from 5 to 5+4? I.e., they put in a
housing development in zip 97600, each of ten buildings sufficiently
large to warrant its own zip code, how are they assigned? Incrementally?
(Not necessarily step 1).

One final question: is there any extant zip code that spans more than
one city or town or other regional designation?

Curiosity killed the programmer.

TIA,
Arthur

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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed Oct 22 20:05:28 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:05:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120FD2@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

I usually put files like this on the root of my website.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
> Importance: High
> 
> 
> Hi Kath
> 
> I have my own server, if I may remove it after he downloaded 
> it you can
> give it over to me....
> My mail supports larger files, mail it to me and I put it on line....
> I don't wanne give you a pass to upload FTP, but he can download it
> without pass if you know the link.
> 
> I mail you the link directly after I have your file.
> I stay another +/- 2 hours here, so mail it asap to me directly.
> 
> I promise to delete it tomorow or so....
> 
> Erwin
> 
> 
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Kath Pelletti
> Verzonden: woensdag 22 oktober 2003 14:42
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
> 
> 
> Yep - message back from client was "The recipient(s) 
> indicated below did
> not receive this message 
> because their mailbox size limit would have been exceeded. It has 
> been returned and it is recommended that you contact the recipient 
> and request that space be made available within their 
> mailbox." Yes I do
> have version 8.1 but didn't know that I could split the zip 
> file - so I
> will look into that. Thanks.
> 
> William's tip led me to find a tool called GSplit which I am 
> testing now
> and it looks good (and free).
> 
> The hassle with these  things is that I don't want my client 
> to have to
> jump through any hoops to receive the file - you know what I 
> mean - not
> having to rejoin split files - but maybe that's the only way for now.
> 
> I remember that there used to be a website called XShare (or something
> like that) where you could 5 or 10 MB of data, allocate a password.
> Anyone with the password could retrieve the file simply by clicking on
> the link.....they all seem to be with ongoing paid up membership now.
> 
> Kath
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: DJK(John) Robinson 
>   To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:00 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
> 
> 
>   Kath
> 
>   I assume you are limited by mailbox constraints?  And of course you
>   compacted before zipping?
> 
>   If you have WinZip 8.1 (does anybody NOT have this?) then 
> you can use
> it to
>   split the Zip file into manageable chunks, easily reassembled at the
> client
>   site, and mail one a time.  2.9MB is not much, so there 
> should be only
> a few
>   chunks.
> 
>   I've done this for such one-off situations;  it's a breeze.
> 
>   John
> 
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>   > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>   > Kath Pelletti
>   > Sent: 22 October 2003 09:02
>   > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>   > Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 
>   > 2.9 MB file for a client to download from? 
>   > 
>   > It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client 
>   > and cannot zip to under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.
>   > 
>   > (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)
>   > 
>   > 
>   > TIA
>   > Kath Pelletti
>   > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
>   > Ph: 9505-6714
>   > Fax: 9505-6430
>   > sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au 
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 20:48:29 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:48:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEGPDGAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEIBDGAA.askolits@ot.com>


I didn't get a response from this and I could really use the help. This is
holding me up on a delivering a project so if anyone has and code to do
this, it would be greatly appreciated.


I just want to change the option for a report between Default printer and
Specific printer in code. Do I have to use DEVMODE and DEVNAMES structures
to do this? Access 2000.

I read Chap 10 of the Dev Handbook but it doesn't really explain 'easily'
how to change that setting. It's fairly non-descript when it comes to
changing that particular report's option.


John


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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 20:57:08 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:57:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please
In-Reply-To: <000901c398ac$7c96a470$bc449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEICDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

I like that "You da man thing"

Thanks. Makes it all worthwhile when someone appreciates a helping hand.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


John
You da man!!!

This is absolutely perfect. This has been an area I have been putting off
for so long, you
have made it all so easy.
This list and its inhabitants are way cool.

Many many thanks

Darren

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From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Regsvr32 assistance please


>
> You can use the Shell, but I sometimes ran into problems with it.
> This function will actually return a True or False if its registered or
not.
>
> Here's an example on how to use it:
>
> Register The Control
> call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)
>
> Unregister control
> call lbf_RegisterOCX("c:\winnt\system32\comdlg32.ocx",true)
>
>
>
> Here's the code I use:
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Private Declare Function LoadLibraryA Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lLibFileName
As
> String) As Long
> Private Declare Function CreateThread Lib "kernel32" (lThreadAttributes As
> Any, _
>     ByVal lStackSize As Long, ByVal lStartAddress As Long, ByVal larameter
> As Long, _
>     ByVal lCreationFlags As Long, lThreadID As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function WaitForSingleObject Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hHandle
> As Long, _
>     ByVal lMilliseconds As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function GetProcAddress Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hModule As
> Long, _
>     ByVal lProcName As String) As Long
> Private Declare Function CallWindowProc Lib "user32" Alias
"CallWindowProcA"
> _
>     (ByVal lpPrevWndFunc As Long, ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal Msg As Long, _
>     ByVal wParam As Long, ByVal lParam As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function FreeLibrary Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hLibModule As
> Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function CloseHandle Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hObject As
Long)
> As Long
> Private Declare Function GetExitCodeThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hThread
As
> Long, _
>     lExitCode As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Sub ExitThread Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lExitCode As Long)
>
>
>
>
> Function lbf_RegisterOCX(ByVal sFilePath As String, _
>     Optional bRegister As Boolean = True) As Boolean
>
>     Dim lLibAddress As Long, lProcAddress As Long, lThreadID As Long, _
>         lSuccess As Long, lExitCode As Long, lThread As Long
>     Dim sRegister As String
>
>
''**************************************************************************
> ******
> ''                         Procedure Identification
>
''--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ''    Name:         lbf_RegisterOCX
> ''
> ''    Purpose:  This function registers and Unregisters OLE components
> ''
> ''    Results:  Returns True if successful
> ''
> ''    Inputs:   sFilePath - The path to the DLL/OCX or ActiveX EXE
> ''               bRegister - If True Registers the control, else
unregisters
> control
> ''
> ''
> ''    Date/Author:   Andrewb 04/09/2000 Loaded into CDD Lib 10/07/03 John
> Skolits
>
''**************************************************************************
> ******
>
> On Error GoTo lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR
>
> '*********BEGIN CODE HERE ********
> Const clMaxTimeWait As Long = 20000     'Wait 20 secs for register to
> complete
>
>     If Len(sFilePath) > 0 And Len(Dir(sFilePath)) > 0 Then
>         'File exists
>         If UCase$(Right$(sFilePath, 3)) = "EXE" Then
>             'Register/Unregister ActiveX EXE
>             If bRegister Then
>                 'Register EXE
>                 Shell sFilePath & " /REGSERVER", vbHide
>             Else
>                 'Unregister ActiveX EXE
>                 Shell sFilePath & " /UNREGSERVER", vbHide
>             End If
>             lbf_RegisterOCX = True
>         Else
>             'Register/Unregister DLL
>             If bRegister Then
>                 sRegister = "DllRegisterServer"
>             Else
>                 sRegister = "DllUnRegisterServer"
>             End If
>
>             'Load library into current process
>             lLibAddress = LoadLibraryA(sFilePath)
>
>             If lLibAddress Then
>                 'Get address of the DLL function
>                 lProcAddress = GetProcAddress(lLibAddress, sRegister)
>                 If lProcAddress Then
>                     lThread = CreateThread(ByVal 0&, 0&, _
>                     ByVal lProcAddress, ByVal 0&, 0&, lThread)
>                     If lThread Then
>                         'Created thread and wait for it to terminate
>                         lSuccess = (WaitForSingleObject(lThread,
> clMaxTimeWait) = 0)
>                         If Not lSuccess Then
>                             'Failed to register, close thread
>                             Call GetExitCodeThread(lThread, lExitCode)
>                             Call ExitThread(lExitCode)
>                             lbf_RegisterOCX = False
>                         Else
>                             'Successfully registered component
>                             lbf_RegisterOCX = True
>                             Call CloseHandle(lThread)
>                         End If
>                     End If
>                     Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
>                 Else
>                     'Object doesn't expose OLE interface
>                     Call FreeLibrary(lLibAddress)
>                 End If
>             End If
>         End If
>     End If
>     Exit Function
>
> lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT:
>
> Exit Function
>
> lbf_RegisterOCX_ERR:                                    'Display the error
>
>
>             MsgBox "ERROR CODE:" & Err & "   DESC:" & Error
>
>             Resume lbf_RegisterOCX_EXIT
>
> End Function
>
>
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 21:14:59 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:14:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEIBDGAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3990b$75a87490$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

John

...if the code in the ADH and the sample on Dev's site still don't get you
where you need to be, I'd suggest you dl AGSoft's "On The Fly Printing"
module ...it won't get any simpler and at $25, its cheap as well ...you can
dl a demo db to see if it does what you need.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/acgsoft.htm

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


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From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.


>
> I didn't get a response from this and I could really use the help. This is
> holding me up on a delivering a project so if anyone has and code to do
> this, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> I just want to change the option for a report between Default printer and
> Specific printer in code. Do I have to use DEVMODE and DEVNAMES structures
> to do this? Access 2000.
>
> I read Chap 10 of the Dev Handbook but it doesn't really explain 'easily'
> how to change that setting. It's fairly non-descript when it comes to
> changing that particular report's option.
>
>
> John
>
>
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>



From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 21:28:10 2003
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:28:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
References: <011401c39907$e4e17ef0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <01ec01c3990d$4d675cb0$c8d12043@hive>

Zip codes start with 00210 at Portsmouth, NH and go through to 99950 at
Ketchikan, AK





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From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:49 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was: Number vs text data type)


> Just out of curiosity, has anyone followed this up with actual
> benchmarks? (I ask this because a man with whom I communicate
> frequently, Joe Celko, a well-known SQL expert, has said that the lookup
> speed difference between a 10-char value and a long int on modern
> systems is the least significant of our problems.)
>
> Assuming you code 5+4 zips as 9-digit zips (eliminating the "-"), does
> anyone on the list have a sufficiently large sample to actually
> benchmark this meaningfully? By that I mean that about 1M rows, two
> columns, one of each data type, indexes to suit, and a timer to verify
> the results?
>
> And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have any ideas on how to
> negate the cache in repeated searches? I'm thinking that the way is to
> search for non-existent values, but that's just an armchair guess
> unsupported by facts or knowledge about cache-algorithms.
>
> Anybody got such a db that you can send me without violating copyrights
> etc.?
>
> Assuming factorial(9) is the maximum number of 5+4 zip codes, what is
> the actual number currently?
>
> Is there any zip code that begins with "0"? And if so, what about "00"?
>
> Is there any logic to the expansion from 5 to 5+4? I.e., they put in a
> housing development in zip 97600, each of ten buildings sufficiently
> large to warrant its own zip code, how are they assigned? Incrementally?
> (Not necessarily step 1).
>
> One final question: is there any extant zip code that spans more than
> one city or town or other regional designation?
>
> Curiosity killed the programmer.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
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From caa at highway.com.br  Wed Oct 22 21:31:51 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:31:51 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] Documenting a Database
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMECLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMECLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <oprxg5bdukeuy8y3@localhost>

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:58:19 -0500, John B. <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Hi Greg:
> There are a number of utilities for this, some are free. You should be 
> able
> to google them up. I use FMS Total Access Analyzer. It has features 
> galore
> and they offer tech support via their public FMS forums.
>
> HTH
> John B.

There is a freeware called Ezy Documenter 2000 from AAD Consulting at 
http://www.aadconsulting.cjb.net
HTH,
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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Oct 22 21:44:52 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:44:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.
In-Reply-To: <000501c3990b$75a87490$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEIDDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

Great, I'll give it as shot


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and
default.


John

...if the code in the ADH and the sample on Dev's site still don't get you
where you need to be, I'd suggest you dl AGSoft's "On The Fly Printing"
module ...it won't get any simpler and at $25, its cheap as well ...you can
dl a demo db to see if it does what you need.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/acgsoft.htm

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Re-Posted: Switch between Specific Printer and default.


>
> I didn't get a response from this and I could really use the help. This is
> holding me up on a delivering a project so if anyone has and code to do
> this, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> I just want to change the option for a report between Default printer and
> Specific printer in code. Do I have to use DEVMODE and DEVNAMES structures
> to do this? Access 2000.
>
> I read Chap 10 of the Dev Handbook but it doesn't really explain 'easily'
> how to change that setting. It's fairly non-descript when it comes to
> changing that particular report's option.
>
>
> John
>
>
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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 22 21:55:58 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:55:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <011401c39907$e4e17ef0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEPIFLAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Arthur

To further help answer your question about "do any start with zero, etc", I
have a small DB with accompanying CBF that contains all U.S. zip codes and
the code to populate city and state fields based upon the zip code input.
Yours (and anyone else's) for the asking ... off-list, of course!

Regards,
Bob Gajewski


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 21:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was: Number vs text data type)


Just out of curiosity, has anyone followed this up with actual
benchmarks? (I ask this because a man with whom I communicate
frequently, Joe Celko, a well-known SQL expert, has said that the lookup
speed difference between a 10-char value and a long int on modern
systems is the least significant of our problems.)

Assuming you code 5+4 zips as 9-digit zips (eliminating the "-"), does
anyone on the list have a sufficiently large sample to actually
benchmark this meaningfully? By that I mean that about 1M rows, two
columns, one of each data type, indexes to suit, and a timer to verify
the results?

And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have any ideas on how to
negate the cache in repeated searches? I'm thinking that the way is to
search for non-existent values, but that's just an armchair guess
unsupported by facts or knowledge about cache-algorithms.

Anybody got such a db that you can send me without violating copyrights
etc.?

Assuming factorial(9) is the maximum number of 5+4 zip codes, what is
the actual number currently?

Is there any zip code that begins with "0"? And if so, what about "00"?

Is there any logic to the expansion from 5 to 5+4? I.e., they put in a
housing development in zip 97600, each of ten buildings sufficiently
large to warrant its own zip code, how are they assigned? Incrementally?
(Not necessarily step 1).

One final question: is there any extant zip code that spans more than
one city or town or other regional designation?

Curiosity killed the programmer.

TIA,
Arthur

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From lists at jbsolutions.com.au  Thu Oct 23 00:57:03 2003
From: lists at jbsolutions.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:57:3 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mini Access
Message-ID: <200310230557.h9N5v5617390@databaseadvisors.com>

Group,

Just came across this in my travels and thought it may be handy for someone out there. It's a freeware program called mini-access which allows you quick 'n' dirty access to mdb files without ms access installed. It allows you full access to sql functionality, so you can create indexes, build relationships, new tables, new fields, query the data, etc etc. The interface is one that only a mother could love, but it weighs in at 98kb.

Get it here... http://www.kunsthumaniorahasselt.be/voes/software/sql.html

(No, I'm not affiliated, just thought it looked handy)

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
lists at jbsolutions.com.au
www.jbsolutions.com.au
2003-10-23




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 02:11:31 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:11:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mini Access
In-Reply-To: <200310230557.h9N5v5617390@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F980BC3.17555.2289705@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 15:57, Joshua B wrote:

> Just came across this in my travels and thought it may be handy for
> someone out there. It's a freeware program called mini-access which
> allows you quick 'n' dirty access to mdb files without ms access
> installed. It allows you full access to sql functionality, so you can
> create indexes, build relationships, new tables, new fields, query the
> data, etc etc. The interface is one that only a mother could love, but
> it weighs in at 98kb. 
> 
> Get it here... http://www.kunsthumaniorahasselt.be/voes/software/sql.html
> 

It looks great.  A quick and easy way to check field names and  
types, indexes etc for any table in the BE when are working in the 
FE.
No more having to switch to the Table tab and then being told that 
you can't view the table design while you have a form open in design 
mode.   It even shows full details of relationships to the current 
table.

Also handy for checking all the current items and keys in a lookup 
table.

I can see me using it a lot.  :-)



 
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Oct 23 03:16:39 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:16:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access Dev Tools in Office 2003
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D85@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hi,

just read the first mention of Dev. Tools for Access in office 2003
seems like VS.net is a must have......... good or bad?

Microsoft links Visual Studio, Office system
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/10/14/HNvboffice_1.html

alun





From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 23 03:34:10 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:34:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mini Access
References: <3F980BC3.17555.2289705@localhost>
Message-ID: <001301c39940$6e8236d0$6501a8c0@user>

Stuart - out of interest - when would you use this? 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mini Access


  On 23 Oct 2003 at 15:57, Joshua B wrote:

  > Just came across this in my travels and thought it may be handy for
  > someone out there. It's a freeware program called mini-access which
  > allows you quick 'n' dirty access to mdb files without ms access
  > installed. It allows you full access to sql functionality, so you can
  > create indexes, build relationships, new tables, new fields, query the
  > data, etc etc. The interface is one that only a mother could love, but
  > it weighs in at 98kb. 
  > 
  > Get it here... http://www.kunsthumaniorahasselt.be/voes/software/sql.html
  > 

  It looks great.  A quick and easy way to check field names and  
  types, indexes etc for any table in the BE when are working in the 
  FE.
  No more having to switch to the Table tab and then being told that 
  you can't view the table design while you have a form open in design 
  mode.   It even shows full details of relationships to the current 
  table.

  Also handy for checking all the current items and keys in a lookup 
  table.

  I can see me using it a lot.  :-)



   
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  Support.



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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 03:44:31 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:44:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for 001
Message-ID: <20031023084431.32119.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I need to add a number field to a A2k table. This
field is allowed the following values:
001
002
003
004
005

How the f##k do I create validating rules that allow
these numbers WITHOUT access transforming these values
to 1,2,3,4,5?!?!

Any ideas?

TIA

SD


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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Oct 23 04:41:06 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:41:06 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for 001
In-Reply-To: <20031023084431.32119.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c39949$c8815f90$2955a8c0@BITSNB02>

If the field is a number field you cannot have leading zeros.  Access will
always remove them.

You have a couple of options.  Here is 2:

1. Keep the number field, allow 1,2,3,4,5,6.  Use format to display all fields
on forms and reports as 001,002,003,004,005,006.  ie use format with "000"

2. Use a text field and only allow 001,002,003,004,005,006 to be entered.  Text
fields will keep it exactly as typed.

Regards,

Stuart

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> Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2003 4:45 PM
> To: Acces User Group
> Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for 001
>
>
> Hi group,
>
> I need to add a number field to a A2k table. This
> field is allowed the following values:
> 001
> 002
> 003
> 004
> 005
>
> How the f##k do I create validating rules that allow
> these numbers WITHOUT access transforming these values
> to 1,2,3,4,5?!?!
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA
>
> SD
>
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Oct 23 05:07:49 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:07:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
References: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB77C@energys1.energy.local>
	<3F74775D.7010601@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>

Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?


Martin

From viner at eunet.yu  Thu Oct 23 05:16:33 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:16:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
References: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEPIFLAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <006701c3994f$d5ac2280$0100a8c0@razvoj>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 23 October, 2003 4:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was: Number vs text data type)


> Arthur
>
> To further help answer your question about "do any start with zero, etc",
I
> have a small DB with accompanying CBF that contains all U.S. zip codes and
> the code to populate city and state fields based upon the zip code input.
> Yours (and anyone else's) for the asking ... off-list, of course!
>
Bob,
please send me a copy. I'll be interested to take a look.
TIA,
    Ervin



From lists at theopg.com  Thu Oct 23 05:40:36 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:40:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] List view gets drawn in the wrong place
In-Reply-To: <OFBA83E9A6.9843BADB-ONC1256DC6.0030E719@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <000001c39952$17d8d480$d78e6351@netboxxp>

Hello all...

Using AXP on winxp

I have a fairly "busy" form that contains 4 list views (mscomctl - sp 6)

Sometimes, when flicking back and forth on the tab control, the listview
on one of the tabs (not a subform btw) appears at the head of the form
instead of on the tab. It returns to its normal position after flicking
between tabs again...

Any one know whats going on and how to avoid it?

Many thanks...

mark

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Oct 23 06:47:10 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:47:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
Message-ID: <002601c3995c$03f8e4f0$b8449a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3 etc.
The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get it right. :-(
In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 23 07:07:34 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:07:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F786@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Darren why not use a recordset filtering it by [OptionID = 1] to hold the values in your MyCriteria fields and set y = rs.Fields().Value?

'watch for wrapping
<more pseudocode>
Dim sSQL As String
Dim rs As Recordset
	sSQL = "SELECT MyCriteria1, MyCriteria2, MyCriteria3, MyCriteria4, MyCriteria5, MyCriteria6 FROM tblOptions WHERE OptionID = 1"
	For x = 1 to 6
	  y = rs.Fields(x - 1).Value
	  Me.Controls("MyControl" & x) = y
	Next x
</more pseudocode>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3 etc.
The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get it right. :-(
In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct 23 07:14:26 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:14:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
In-Reply-To: <002601c3995c$03f8e4f0$b8449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <000601c3995f$34021380$7001a8c0@COA3>

Instead of:
y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl" & x =  y
TRY

Y=dlookup("mycriteria" & cstr(x), "tbloptions", "optionid=1")
Me("mycontrol" & cstr(x)) = y

Hth
Steve


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially
numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1,
MyControl2,MyControl3 etc. The form they are on is not bound in any way
to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't
get it right. :-( In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] =
1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 23 07:15:47 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:15:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
Message-ID: <10969266.1066911347366.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

Mistake in the line of code below :
y = DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 

shouldn't it be
y = DLookup("[MyCriteria" & x & "]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

If that don't work assign the "[MyCriteria" & x & "]" to a string variable and do the following
y = DLookup(strVariable, "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Paul



Message date : Oct 23 2003, 12:56 PM 
>From : Darren DICK 
To : AccessD List 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop 
Hello all 
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6 

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3 etc. 
The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions. 

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get it right. :-( 
In psuedo code I want something like... 

Dim x, y 
For x = 1 To 6 
y = DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 
Me.MyControl" & x = y 
Next 

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like 

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1") 

etc but I wanted something neater 

Many thanks in advance 

Darren 


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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Oct 23 07:16:39 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:16:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306622F3@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF61@ADGSERVER>

Darren,

First of all, I'd use a query instead of a DLookup.

But that aside, try this:

y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria"  & x & "]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")


Since it appears that all the data is from one table, why not try something
like:

*** WARNING:  This is untested air code.  But it should get you going on the
right track ***

dim db     as database
dim rs     as recordset
dim strSQL as string
dim x      as long

set db=currentdb()

strSQL="SELECT
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6 " &
_
	"FROM tblOptions " & _
	"WHERE OptionID=1;"

'if you are returning all of the fields, you could use SELECT * FROM...
instead

set rs=db.openrecordset(strSQL,dbopensnapshot)

with rs
   if not .eof then
	for x=1 to 6
	   me("MyControl" & x) =  nz(rs("MyCriteria" & i))
	   next x
      endif
   .close
   end with

set rs=nothing
db.close
set db=nothing


Note that there is no error handling here.  I think that you will find the
perfomance much better not using the DLookup.

HTH,
Bobby



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially
numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3
etc. The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get
it right. :-( In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Oct 23 07:17:12 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:17:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71B8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Hi

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria]" &  x, "tblOptions", "[OptionID] =
1")
        Me.fields("MyControl" & x) =  y
Next

Erwin

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Verzonden: donderdag 23 oktober 2003 13:47
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Onderwerp: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially
numbered 
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1,
MyControl2,MyControl3 etc. The form they are on is not bound in any way
to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't
get it right. :-( In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] =
1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Thu Oct 23 07:24:50 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:24:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
References: 	<125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB77C@energys1.energy.local><3F74775D.7010601@shaw.ca>
	<006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <010301c39960$a87d4d00$6401a8c0@default>

Martin,

Which GIS package are you referring to?

Mike Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



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From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:07 AM
Subject: [AccessD] GIS


> Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
>
>
> Martin
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Oct 23 07:29:35 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:29:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Zip Code questions
In-Reply-To: <200310230106.h9N16p609574@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031023070531.02767418@pop3.highstream.net>

Arthur,

I have read each of Celko's books.  Not only is he an expert, he is on the 
standards board for SQL.

I do not have the Zip+4 database.  Since the +4 portion narrows it down to 
individual houses, it would be huge and expensive.  What I do have is a 
table I generated from census tract data that has about 3/4 of a million 
records for street address ranges for the state of Texas.  It includes the 
zip code and an autonumber type primary key.  Just the one table in an 
Access mdb is about 250 meg.  I have not run any statistics on it, but 1) 
it is running on SQL Server and 2) the zip and the street alpha columns are 
indexed.  A search for a specific zip with a portion of the street name
(WHERE (((tbl_Address_Street.ZIPCode)="77418") AND 
((tbl_Address_Street.StreetSort) Like "*hol*")))
takes less than 1 second to return 10 records.

None of the zip codes in this db start with zero because that is an east 
coast thing since the numbering starts from east to west.  In my db of 5 
place zip codes there are just over 42,200 entries and the first ones start 
with "005."  There are no duplicates when looking at Zip, City, County, and 
State.

Does this help?

Robert

P.S.  Weren't you the developer of ArtfulLib for Clipper?

At 08:06 PM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:49:14 -0700
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <011401c39907$e4e17ef0$6501a8c0 at rock>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="Windows-1252"
>
>Just out of curiosity, has anyone followed this up with actual
>benchmarks? (I ask this because a man with whom I communicate
>frequently, Joe Celko, a well-known SQL expert, has said that the lookup
>speed difference between a 10-char value and a long int on modern
>systems is the least significant of our problems.)
>
>Assuming you code 5+4 zips as 9-digit zips (eliminating the "-"), does
>anyone on the list have a sufficiently large sample to actually
>benchmark this meaningfully? By that I mean that about 1M rows, two
>columns, one of each data type, indexes to suit, and a timer to verify
>the results?
>
>And while I'm on the subject, does anyone have any ideas on how to
>negate the cache in repeated searches? I'm thinking that the way is to
>search for non-existent values, but that's just an armchair guess
>unsupported by facts or knowledge about cache-algorithms.
>
>Anybody got such a db that you can send me without violating copyrights
>etc.?
>
>Assuming factorial(9) is the maximum number of 5+4 zip codes, what is
>the actual number currently?
>
>Is there any zip code that begins with "0"? And if so, what about "00"?
>
>Is there any logic to the expansion from 5 to 5+4? I.e., they put in a
>housing development in zip 97600, each of ten buildings sufficiently
>large to warrant its own zip code, how are they assigned? Incrementally?
>(Not necessarily step 1).
>
>One final question: is there any extant zip code that spans more than
>one city or town or other regional designation?
>
>Curiosity killed the programmer.
>
>TIA,
>Arthur



From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 07:30:21 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:30:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20031023123021.16425.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com>



Forgive me for my lack of clarity. My mind was going but my fingers were not. I have database A and B. I want to write a VBA procedure in database A that will export a report in database B to a snapshot file.


Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: Export what, the object or the report it generates? It isn't clear
exactly what you want to do. Is the code supposed to execute in
database A to open database B and do something there? Is database B
open or being opened at all, or what?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




Actually I am writing code in database A and want to export a report
object that is in database B.



Charlotte Foust wrote: Is
DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 07:31:06 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:31:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
In-Reply-To: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <3F9856AA.16919.1928F0@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 11:07, Martin Reid wrote:

> Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
> 
> 
I've done a bit of MapInfo / Access data sharing.
What's the question?

 
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Support.




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Oct 23 07:36:33 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:36:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
References: <3F9856AA.16919.1928F0@localhost>
Message-ID: <00e201c39962$54418290$9111758f@aine>

Just checking out resources at the moment. Will be more specific when I get
the requirements docs in. AT the moment all I know is that we will be
required to work with a "GIS" system of some sort.


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] GIS


> On 23 Oct 2003 at 11:07, Martin Reid wrote:
>
> > Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
> >
> >
> I've done a bit of MapInfo / Access data sharing.
> What's the question?
>
>
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Oct 23 07:41:36 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:41:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] GIS - OT
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE5A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>


I tend to name the main code module in my Access dbs modGIS!

Where GIS stands for "Geeky Inside Stuff"!

Chris F

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:07 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] GIS
> 
> 
> > Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
> >
> >
> > Martin
> 

From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 07:43:52 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123CC@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>




Got it.

 
'*****  CODE START  *****
Public Sub ExportReport()
    
    Dim objApp As Access.Application
    Set objApp = New Access.Application
    objApp.OpenCurrentDatabase ("C:\Reporting.mdb")
    
    objApp.DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, "rptAccountHistory", "Snapshot Format", "C:\NewSnapshot.snp"
    
    MsgBox ("Done!")
    
End Sub
'*****  CODE END *****

Thanks for you time.



Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: Export what, the object or the report it generates? It isn't clear
exactly what you want to do. Is the code supposed to execute in
database A to open database B and do something there? Is database B
open or being opened at all, or what?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




Actually I am writing code in database A and want to export a report
object that is in database B.



Charlotte Foust wrote: Is
DoCmd.TransferText what you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Export a report in another database




I can't put my finger on this one. How do I programatically export a
report in another to a file such as snap shot or word?

Thx, I'm sure it's simple, I've never had a need to do and just can't
seem to find the process. 


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 23 07:44:11 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:44:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
In-Reply-To: <002601c3995c$03f8e4f0$b8449a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEPAHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Darren,

It would look like this:

Dim lngLoop
Dim strFieldName as string

For lngLoop = 1 To 6

  strFieldName = "[MyCriteria" & lngLoop & "]"
  Me("MyControl" & lngLoop) =  DLookup(strFieldName, "tblOptions",
"[OptionID] = 1")

Next

  But really any time you pull more then 2 or 3 fields with DLookup from the
same record, it will be faster to open the recordset, seek to the record,
then pull all the fields at one time.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop


Hello all
I have a table called tblOptions Int it are 6 fields each sequentially
numbered
MyCriteria1,MyCriteria2,MyCriteria3,MyCriteria4,MyCriteria5,MyCriteria6

I have a form with 6 controls on it called MyControl1, MyControl2,MyControl3
etc.
The form they are on is not bound in any way to the table tblOptions.

So what I wanted to do was a "for next" loop using DlookUp, but I can't get
it right. :-(
In psuedo code I want something like...

Dim x, y
For x = 1 To 6
        y  =  DLookup("[MyCriteria & x]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
        Me.MyControl" & x =  y
Next

Of course this doesn't work and I know I could do soemthing like

Me.MyControl1 = DLookup("[MyCriteria1]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

Me.MyControl2 = DLookup("[MyCriteria2]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")
Me.MyControl3 = DLookup("[MyCriteria3]", "tblOptions", "[OptionID] = 1")

etc but I wanted something neater

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 07:52:28 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:52:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mini Access
In-Reply-To: <001301c39940$6e8236d0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <3F985BAC.32053.2CB8A6@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 18:34, Kath Pelletti wrote concerning Mini Access:

> Stuart - out of interest - when would you use this? 

I often find myself going into to table design view  to check field 
names, indexes etc when I am in the VBA editor when building SQL 
statements or using fields in recordsets. Also when building record 
sources SQL strings for lookup combo boxes etc. in the form designer. 
 
When you work on as many systems in different locations as I do, 
sometimes going back and modifying/enhancing systems that I 
originally developed months or years ago, it gets very difficult to 
remember exact table structures, field names, index structures and 
all relationships. Currently I have to close the form I am working on 
(if it is bound, you can't open the table definition while the form 
is open, even in design mode), switch to the Tables tab, select the 
table and wait for it to open in design view ( which can take seconds 
if the BE is on a LAN). Then note the information  I am looking for, 
close the table, reopen the form and go back into the VBA editor.  

Keeping this app open will let me  quickly flick backwards and 
forwards between the table definition and the code without leaving 
the line of code I am on.  

It will be a real time saver for me.

 
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 08:35:51 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:35:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for 001  <<SOLVED>>
In-Reply-To: <004b01c39949$c8815f90$2955a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <20031023133551.808.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>

Thnx Stuart.

Regards

sd
--- Stuart Sanders <stuart at pacific.net.hk> wrote:
> If the field is a number field you cannot have
> leading zeros.  Access will
> always remove them.
> 
> You have a couple of options.  Here is 2:
> 
> 1. Keep the number field, allow 1,2,3,4,5,6.  Use
> format to display all fields
> on forms and reports as 001,002,003,004,005,006.  ie
> use format with "000"
> 
> 2. Use a text field and only allow
> 001,002,003,004,005,006 to be entered.  Text
> fields will keep it exactly as typed.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stuart
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Sad Der
> > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2003 4:45 PM
> > To: Acces User Group
> > Subject: [AccessD] Validating rules => check for
> 001
> >
> >
> > Hi group,
> >
> > I need to add a number field to a A2k table. This
> > field is allowed the following values:
> > 001
> > 002
> > 003
> > 004
> > 005
> >
> > How the f##k do I create validating rules that
> allow
> > these numbers WITHOUT access transforming these
> values
> > to 1,2,3,4,5?!?!
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > SD
> >
> >
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Oct 23 08:43:05 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:43:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: DlookUp in a For Next Loop
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEPAHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00a601c3996b$96c3ca70$b8449a89@DDICK>

Hi All
Thanks so much to those who replied

I went with the recordset option. As someone pointed out more than 3 Dlookups in a go 
becomes a PITA for performance etc etc.

I am so gratefull - I am also impressed you guys could type that from the top of your heads
Way cool

Thanks again

Darren


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 23 08:50:22 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:50:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7819@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Hello Gustav,

"You didn't run any test on it, did you?" - that's a pretty big assumption
isn't it? I did run test and got the same results as you did, with those two
exceptions, which I managed to overlook. <g>

<pedant mode>
Strictly speaking, the drive letter and the server name are not part of the
file path in any case. The path is the route of folders that must be
traversed to reach the file on the storage device,
</pedant mode>
but if you want to emulate the results of your routine, here's a simple
modification of mine...

Function GetPath(aPath) As String
' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
' leaves the trailing slash on there
Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
    aSlash = 0
    foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
    While (foo > 0)
        aSlash = foo
        foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
    Wend
    If aSlash > 0 Then
        If aSlash = 2 Then
            GetPath = aPath
        Else
            GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
        End If
    Else
        If (Left(UCase(aPath), 1) >= "A" And Left(UCase(aPath), 1) <= "Z") _
            And Mid(aPath, 2, 1) = ":" Then
            GetPath = Left(aPath, 2)
        Else
          GetPath = aPath
        End If
    End If
End Function

BTW, did you check out the InstrR() function for A97?

Lambert
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:25 AM
> To:	Heenan, Lambert
> Subject:	[AccessD] Get path from full file name
> 
> Hi Lambert
> 
> You didn't run any test on it, did you?
> 
> It is similar to the quickies found many places and it fails for paths
> like "\\fs1" and "c:file".
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Well here is my little GetPath routine which does not use InstrRev
> either,
> > but seems a lot simpler than yours. It also returns the same results as
> your
> > function ...

From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu Oct 23 09:11:47 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:11:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Recent List Changes
References: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856>

Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to
provide for text only messages.  This change, implemented on over 25 lists was
well
prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change
were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website.  We
experienced no surprises and no problems resulted.  With the exception of the
announcement,  the change went unnoticed.

This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes
implemented.  This great success was only possible with the careful preparation
and
documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell.

Thank you very much for this great work.

Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA
Donna Cook, VP DBA





From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 23 09:20:46 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:20:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [dba-OT] Recent List Changes
Message-ID: <BAY2-F105aTqn8yuRcw00006693@hotmail.com>

Yes, Great Job Bryan! Thanks a lot for all your time and effort!

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
>Reply-To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>,   <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>,   
>"Board Of Directors of DBA" <dba-bod at databaseadvisors.com>,   "DBA 
>Executive Team" <dba-exec at databaseadvisors.com>,   
><ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com>, <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>,   
><dba-owners at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-OT] Recent List Changes
>Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:11:47 +0200
>
>Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to
>provide for text only messages.  This change, implemented on over 25 lists 
>was
>well
>prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the 
>change
>were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website.  We
>experienced no surprises and no problems resulted.  With the exception of 
>the
>announcement,  the change went unnoticed.
>
>This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes
>implemented.  This great success was only possible with the careful 
>preparation
>and
>documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell.
>
>Thank you very much for this great work.
>
>Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA
>Donna Cook, VP DBA
>
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 23 09:47:16 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:47:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
In-Reply-To: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEOKCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Martin:

Which GIS product are you interested in?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] GIS


Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?


Martin
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 10:30:05 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:30:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273BC@main2.marlow.com>

Read the devx article.  Doesn't really apply.  I don't want an application
variable, because I want the sessions to timeout on their own.  Which the
Session object does.  I don't want what I am storing to be loaded until the
server is restarted.  I am not storing a 'connection' object, per se, but an
ActiveX DLL class, which just happens to also have a live connection object.

What I have works, and works great.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


No No No!

Never place objects in session scope (assume you're using ASP).  Causes
thread affinity and you lose connection pooling.

http://www.devx.com/asp/Article/16802/0/page/2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;243543

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 1:54 PM
To: ''Access Developers discussion and problem solving' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
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>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
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>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 10:31:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:31:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273BD@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, that is a key difference.  I wouldn't do that with just a connection
object.

I wouldn't say my app is high traffic, but it is multi user (right now there
are about 20 users....the frequency of their usage is variable...but I think
it could handle about 50 simulatneous if need be....maybe more...)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Ooops, noticed you were using a custom DLL - pretty certain if the same
implications apply, however not completely sure.  

Drawbacks are more apparent in a multi-user environment rather than a low
traffic one..

Cheers,
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 2:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


No No No!

Never place objects in session scope (assume you're using ASP).  Causes
thread affinity and you lose connection pooling.

http://www.devx.com/asp/Article/16802/0/page/2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;243543

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 1:54 PM
To: ''Access Developers discussion and problem solving' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Actually, I keep the connection open in some situations.  We have a little
delay between our web and Intranet servers, going to our main file server.
If I need to connect to a db on the file server, I put a connection object
(actually, a class from a .dll, that has a 'live connection') as a session
variable.  On all of the pages then, it determines if the object exists or
not, if so, it uses the existing object, and it's connection, if not, it
creates it again.  Speeds things up immensely.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Sent: 10/21/03 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..

Agreed on the split DB.  I was thinking of a single database.

Guess I've done a fair bit of web stuff lately and keeping connections
open
is a 'no-no'.  Especially with ADO where you can utilise connection
poooling.

Access is a different story through, especially considering its often
pulling entire tables/recordsets across the network to the FE.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..


Not necessarily true...

For example if you attempt to relink or refresh links on a multiuser
backend,
maintaining an open db connection to the db can save minutes.  I've seen
a 5
minute relink operation without an open connection go down to 15 seconds
with an
open connection.  As opposed to opening and closing the BE db for each
table
to
be relinked.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> I believe you are don't it correctly IMO.
>
> There is negligible performance loss in closing and
> re-opening connections
> that I'm aware of.
>
> Cheers,
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 6:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ..Performance ADO - DAO ..
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Just to let you know. Turning of the subdatasheets and keeping the
> connection open shows the following figure.
>
> 10MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 10 seconds  now 3 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 7 seconds
> now 2 seconds
>
> 100 MB network (both tables contain about 15.000 records)
>      Reading a customertable       was 3 seconds        now 1 seconds
>      Reading a order table               was 2 seconds
> now 1 seconds
>
>
> In the replies someone asked why I closed all database
> connections after
> use. I do this to keep memory use to a minimum. When I keep
> those database
> connections open at a certain time the database gives memory
> errors. But
> reading and thinking I just thought of  something. The structure I
> currently use is
>
>    Function fncUpdateOrderStatus() as boolean
>       Dim db as dao.databse
>       Dim rs as dao.recordset
>
>       set db = currentdb()
>
>       > the works>
>
>       db.close
>       rs.close
>       set db = nothing
>       set rs= nothing
>    end function
>
>
> So I define the db many, many times and close it also. Is it
> better to dim
> the db as global-public variable and use this in each
> function???????? so
> in each function i can remove the Dim db and close.db???
>
> Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
> 20-10-2003 17:47:40
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Two things that bog down Access 2000 and 2002 are Name Autocorrect and
> Subdatasheets.  If you turn those two things off, you'll see
> an improvement
> in performance.  Subdatasheets also need to be turned off in
> the backend.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> It has been a while since I looked into this group. My
> daughter (7 months)
> took up most of my time recently. But work goes on so I would
> like to ask
> you the following.
>
> I am strugling with the following. I have about 6 access 2000
> applications
>  distributed among several customers. All database use DAO
> and have a FE
>  and BE. It works fine but know customers start complaining about
>  performance. Expecially on a network envirnement. I have
>  - Looked through all the queries and changed all the SELECT
> *  queries
>  with only the data wich is used
> - closed all recordset and database connection at the end of
> eacht function
> of module.
> -  Removed databound forms as much as possible. This is a lot
> of work and I
> do not know if i want to do this.
>
> But this all did not improved much.
>
> I am thinking about the following
> - Is it a option to move to ADO instead of DAO. Does this improve
> performance?. In my tests it does not matter much but perhaps
> I am missing
> something
> - The performance analyser in Access tells me to use fewer
> controls on a
> form. If I do this does this improve performance
> - moving to sql server. But this will cost my customer a lot
> of money and
> the won?t be happy.
>
>
> Any suggestions, ideas??
> I am thinking to rewrite the programms to VB, anyone experience, tips,
> tricks in this.
>
> Thansk marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> "dave sharpe" <davesharpe2 at cox.net>@databaseadvisors.com op 19-10-2003
> 06:32:54
>
> Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> Aan:  "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> cc:
>
> Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
>
> John - This article may be of benefit
> Dave
>
> PRB: ADO: Recordcount May Return -1
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q194/9/73.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:38 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ado recordcount
>
>
> I am opening a recordset (raw table) that contains records.
> Move last, move
> first. EOF and BOF are both false.
>
> Recordcount = -1
>
> What gives?  How do I tell how many records in the recordset?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 10:32:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:32:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273BE@main2.marlow.com>

If you still need this, let me know.  I can set something up on my site.  No
problem.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:02 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a
client to download from? 

It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to
under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

(I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


TIA
Kath Pelletti
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 23 10:33:51 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:33:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEOKCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
        <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEOKCOAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <22016.12.3.132.98.1066923231.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group,

My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I got
some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now  ican't
see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error mssage
"isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of table
object to determine valid index names"
Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?


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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Thu Oct 23 10:39:00 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:39:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
In-Reply-To: <006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHIENMEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I have worked with an engineering firm to make my app and their GIS work
together.  They have since purchased the app from me, but I would be willing
to help if possible.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:08 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] GIS
>
>
> Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 23 10:50:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:50:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7819@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7819@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <10832771052.20031023175016@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

I may be wrong but to me

  \\fs1\sys\database\client1\somedb.mdb

is a valid full path and filename. Access thinks so too as you can
open or link to a database using such a path/filename.

And if you wish to, say, export a file to the current dir of drive c:

  c:report.xls

is valid as a relative path/filename although I would recommend an
absolute path/filename.

/gustav


> Hello Gustav,

> "You didn't run any test on it, did you?" - that's a pretty big assumption
> isn't it? I did run test and got the same results as you did, with those two
> exceptions, which I managed to overlook. <g>

> <pedant mode>
> Strictly speaking, the drive letter and the server name are not part of the
> file path in any case. The path is the route of folders that must be
> traversed to reach the file on the storage device,
> </pedant mode>
> but if you want to emulate the results of your routine, here's a simple
> modification of mine...

> Function GetPath(aPath) As String
> ' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
> ' leaves the trailing slash on there
> Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
>     aSlash = 0
>     foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
>     While (foo > 0)
>         aSlash = foo
>         foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
>     Wend
>     If aSlash > 0 Then
>         If aSlash = 2 Then
>             GetPath = aPath
>         Else
>             GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
>         End If
>     Else
>         If (Left(UCase(aPath), 1) >= "A" And Left(UCase(aPath), 1) <= "Z") _
>             And Mid(aPath, 2, 1) = ":" Then
>             GetPath = Left(aPath, 2)
>         Else
>           GetPath = aPath
>         End If
>     End If
> End Function

> BTW, did you check out the InstrR() function for A97?

> Lambert
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:25 AM
>> To:   Heenan, Lambert
>> Subject:      [AccessD] Get path from full file name
>> 
>> Hi Lambert
>> 
>> You didn't run any test on it, did you?
>> 
>> It is similar to the quickies found many places and it fails for paths
>> like "\\fs1" and "c:file".
>> 
>> /gustav


From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct 23 11:00:53 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:00:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <22016.12.3.132.98.1066923231.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3997e$d6df6700$7001a8c0@COA3>

Make a copy of it, and try Compact and Repair.  If that doesn't work try
Jetcomp.exe (see: Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 273956
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
com:80/support/kb/articles/Q273/9/56.ASP&NoWebContent=1 )

Hth,
Steve



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Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?


Hey Group,

My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
table object to determine valid index names" Is all my data lost, or can
I still recover it ?


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 23 11:01:13 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:01:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reverse Engineer ActiveX DLL
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0577@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

X posted accessd dba-vb

List(s),

Does anyone know of a service or tool that can reverse engineer an ActiveX DLL?  We had a nasty crash on a dev box here and a couple of important (and not backed up) class modules are lost.  I've been searching the web but haven't found anything substantial except that I can use a hex editor (which would leave us with a lot of work pulling out the code).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 23 11:04:07 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:04:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0138@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Try doing a Repair, if that doesn't work use the /decompile switch.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?


Hey Group,

My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I got
some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now  ican't
see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error mssage
"isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of table
object to determine valid index names"
Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?


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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 23 11:24:48 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:24:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0138@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0138@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <40590.12.3.132.98.1066926288.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Doesn't let me do repair, i get an error to go to indexes in tabledef
(where is that ?)
whats decomplie switch ? i tried to compile, and its freezing again

> Try doing a Repair, if that doesn't work use the /decompile switch.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
> got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
> ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
> mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
> table object to determine valid index names"
> Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?
>
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 23 11:51:29 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:51:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <000201c3997e$d6df6700$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <22016.12.3.132.98.1066923231.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <000201c3997e$d6df6700$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <48941.12.3.132.98.1066927889.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

thanks,  igot it back..
ooffff.....


> Make a copy of it, and try Compact and Repair.  If that doesn't work try
> Jetcomp.exe (see: Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 273956
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
> com:80/support/kb/articles/Q273/9/56.ASP&NoWebContent=1 )
>
> Hth,
> Steve
>
>
>
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> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
> got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
> ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
> mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
> table object to determine valid index names" Is all my data lost, or can
> I still recover it ?
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 23 11:52:25 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:52:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
In-Reply-To: <40590.12.3.132.98.1066926288.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKAEPOHKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Make sure your try JETCOMP.EXE first, which is a standalone repair utility.
You can download it from Microsoft.  It's different then the built-in repair
in that it doesn't attempt to open the MDB as a database, but rather works
with it as a file.  This allows it to fix some types of errors that the
built-in utility cannot.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Data lost ?


Doesn't let me do repair, i get an error to go to indexes in tabledef
(where is that ?)
whats decomplie switch ? i tried to compile, and its freezing again

> Try doing a Repair, if that doesn't work use the /decompile switch.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
> got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
> ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
> mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
> table object to determine valid index names"
> Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?
>
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 23 11:52:32 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:52:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E013B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I create a separate Access icon to use. In the Target of the Properties of
the icon place:

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"
C:\Database\NameDatabase.mdb/decompile

Or
1. Create a new Db
2. Import all your objects into the new DB.
3. Close the DB
4. Open the DB using the /decompile switch
5. Close the DB, Close Access (I know Access tells you to compile all
modules, but don't do that right now).
6. Re-open Access normally and open your DB
7. Open any module and click on Debug/Compile and Save All Modules.
8. Compact the DB.
If this doesn't work check your references.

Do you have a backup?

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Data lost ?


Doesn't let me do repair, i get an error to go to indexes in tabledef
(where is that ?)
whats decomplie switch ? i tried to compile, and its freezing again

> Try doing a Repair, if that doesn't work use the /decompile switch.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Data lost ?
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> My database had frozed. and I used Task Manager, to cancel it. Then I
> got some nasty message when I tried opening it again, and now, and now
> ican't see any of my tables, forms or queries :( All I get are error
> mssage "isn't an index at this table. Look in the Index collection of
> table object to determine valid index names"
> Is all my data lost, or can I still recover it ?
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 23 11:01:13 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:01:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] Reverse Engineer ActiveX DLL
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0577@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

X posted accessd dba-vb

List(s),

Does anyone know of a service or tool that can reverse engineer an ActiveX DLL?  We had a nasty crash on a dev box here and a couple of important (and not backed up) class modules are lost.  I've been searching the web but haven't found anything substantial except that I can use a hex editor (which would leave us with a lot of work pulling out the code).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 23 12:12:17 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:12:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7820@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Sigh... ;-(

<pedant mode>

\\fs1\sys\database\client1\somedb.mdb is a complete file "specification"
which is composed of the storage device (in this case a file server called
\\fs1), the *path* to the file and the file name.

</pedant mode>

That's what I meant by "Strictly speaking". I didn't write the definitions,
so please don't shoot the messenger. :-)

Of course I'm aware that using a fully qualified UNC file spec is accepted
by Access, I do it all the time myself. I just hate having to deal with
differently mapped drive letters of different user's systems.

I too would recommend an absolute file specification be used for most
purposes. With today's multi-tasking operating systems and multi threaded
applications the "current" folder can never be guaranteed to stay put.

InstrR() ???

Lambert


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:50 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
> 
> Hi Lambert
> 
> I may be wrong but to me
> 
>   \\fs1\sys\database\client1\somedb.mdb
> 
> is a valid full path and filename. Access thinks so too as you can
> open or link to a database using such a path/filename.
> 
> And if you wish to, say, export a file to the current dir of drive c:
> 
>   c:report.xls
> 
> is valid as a relative path/filename although I would recommend an
> absolute path/filename.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Hello Gustav,
> 
> > "You didn't run any test on it, did you?" - that's a pretty big
> assumption
> > isn't it? I did run test and got the same results as you did, with those
> two
> > exceptions, which I managed to overlook. <g>
> 
> > <pedant mode>
> > Strictly speaking, the drive letter and the server name are not part of
> the
> > file path in any case. The path is the route of folders that must be
> > traversed to reach the file on the storage device,
> > </pedant mode>
> > but if you want to emulate the results of your routine, here's a simple
> > modification of mine...
> 
> > Function GetPath(aPath) As String
> > ' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
> > ' leaves the trailing slash on there
> > Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
> >     aSlash = 0
> >     foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
> >     While (foo > 0)
> >         aSlash = foo
> >         foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
> >     Wend
> >     If aSlash > 0 Then
> >         If aSlash = 2 Then
> >             GetPath = aPath
> >         Else
> >             GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
> >         End If
> >     Else
> >         If (Left(UCase(aPath), 1) >= "A" And Left(UCase(aPath), 1) <=
> "Z") _
> >             And Mid(aPath, 2, 1) = ":" Then
> >             GetPath = Left(aPath, 2)
> >         Else
> >           GetPath = aPath
> >         End If
> >     End If
> > End Function
> 
> > BTW, did you check out the InstrR() function for A97?
> 
> > Lambert
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gustav Brock [SMTP:gustav at cactus.dk]
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:25 AM
> >> To:   Heenan, Lambert
> >> Subject:      [AccessD] Get path from full file name
> >> 
> >> Hi Lambert
> >> 
> >> You didn't run any test on it, did you?
> >> 
> >> It is similar to the quickies found many places and it fails for paths
> >> like "\\fs1" and "c:file".
> >> 
> >> /gustav
> 
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Oct 23 12:27:42 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:27:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7808@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer

 

Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop

 

Any ideas how this can be done?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 12:36:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:36:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENGFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you and
another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2 applied
(2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the error.  The error
occurs as the data is being saved into the table, after AfterUpdate.  Oddly
enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a done
deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to break a
functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that worked to see
if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Oct 23 12:44:47 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:44:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE09E@TAPPEEXCH01>

That would be:

Set fld = rst.Fields("Field" & i)


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable


I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer

 

Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop

 

Any ideas how this can be done?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Oct 23 12:47:27 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:47:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F78F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

Please keep us posted as we're comtemplating the move to A2K2 in the near future (already at Win2K).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you and
another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2 applied
(2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the error.  The error
occurs as the data is being saved into the table, after AfterUpdate.  Oddly
enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a done
deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to break a
functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that worked to see
if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 12:50:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:50:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENGFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu Oct 23 12:49:49 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:49:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <OF5E13CD2F.8DE004A8-ON86256DC8.0061A474-86256DC8.0061F163@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


Hopefully this might help you get started.  Sorry if I am not understanding
your question correctly.

Sub elementsexist()
Dim db As Database
Dim tdf As TableDef
Dim fld As Field
Dim rst As Recordset
Dim myfield As String
Dim mytype As String

Set fld = Nothing
Set tdf = Nothing
Set rst = Nothing
Set db = Nothing



Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
db.TableDefs.Refresh
Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("tempverify")
Set tdf = db.TableDefs!tempimport

db.TableDefs.Refresh
tdf.Fields.Refresh

For Each fld In tdf.Fields
    myfield = fld.Name
    If fld.Type = 16 Then
        mytype = "dbBigInt"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 9 Then
        mytype = "dbBinary"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 1 Then
        mytype = "dbBoolean"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 2 Then
        mytype = "dbByte"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 18 Then
        mytype = "dbChar"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 5 Then
        mytype = "dbCurrency"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 8 Then
        mytype = "dbDate"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 20 Then
        mytype = "dbDecimal"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 7 Then
        mytype = "dbDouble"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 21 Then
        mytype = "dbFloat"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 15 Then
        mytype = "dbGUID"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 3 Then
        mytype = "dbInteger"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 4 Then
        mytype = "dbLong"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 11 Then
        mytype = "dbLongBinary"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 12 Then
        mytype = "dbMemo"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 19 Then
        mytype = "dbNumeric"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 6 Then
        mytype = "dbSingle"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 10 Then
        mytype = "dbText"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 22 Then
        mytype = "dbTime"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 23 Then
        mytype = "dbTimeStamp"
    ElseIf fld.Type = 17 Then
        mytype = "dbVarBinary"
    Else
        mytype = "Unknown"
    End If
    rst.MoveFirst
    Do Until rst.EOF
        If rst.Fields("Element") = myfield Then
            rst.Edit
            rst.Fields("Exists") = "Yes"
            rst.Fields("ActualType") = mytype
            rst.Update
            Exit Do
        End If
        rst.MoveNext
    Loop
Next fld

Set fld = Nothing
Set tdf = Nothing
Set rst = Nothing
Set db = Nothing
End Sub
Sub setokstatus()
Dim db As Database
Dim rst As Recordset
Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("tempverify")
rst.MoveFirst
Do Until rst.EOF
    If rst.Fields("Exists") = "Yes" Then
        If rst.Fields("CorrectType") = rst.Fields("ActualType") Then
            rst.Edit
            rst.Fields("Ok") = "Yes"
            rst.Update
        Else
            rst.Edit
            rst.Fields("Ok") = "No - Type"
            rst.Update
        End If
    Else
        rst.Edit
        rst.Fields("Ok") = "No - Exists"
        rst.Update
    End If
    rst.MoveNext
Loop
Set rst = Nothing
Set db = Nothing
End Sub


                                                                                                                                 
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I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer



Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop



Any ideas how this can be done?



Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 12:50:57 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:50:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273C3@main2.marlow.com>

What you want is the Name property.

Dim i as Long
Dim strName as string
Dim rs as Recordset
'Recordset code....
Do until rs.EOF=True
	for i=1 to rs.Fields.Count
		strName=rs.Fields(i).Name
		'Process code..
	Next i
	rs.MoveNext
Loop
rs.close
Set rs=nothing

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable


I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer

 

Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop

 

Any ideas how this can be done?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Oct 23 13:33:32 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:33:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1897AE@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks to all who responded to my post.
I think Brett's suggestion best fits my needs, but I learned something
new from each response.

Thanks again,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable

That would be:

Set fld = rst.Fields("Field" & i)


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Put fieldname into a variable


I would like to put a table's fieldname into a variable, and run code
like the following:

(I've omitted most of the code because of space)

Dim fld as Field

Dim i as Integer

 

Do until rst.EOF = True

     i = i + 1

     fld = rst![Field" & i & "]

     ... do processing

Loop

 

Any ideas how this can be done?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 14:15:16 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:15:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273C8@main2.marlow.com>

Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 23 15:02:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:02:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D2@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I have SP2 installed and don't get that message on either Win2k or
WinXP.  What Jet service pack is applied?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:36 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you
and another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2
applied (2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the
error.  The error occurs as the data is being saved into the table,
after AfterUpdate.  Oddly enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a
done deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to
break a functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that
worked to see if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 15:46:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:46:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D2@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Charlotte,

I guess I should have been more clear, it isn't everywhere.  This is a large
database with many tables.  All but one form function fine.  In a very brief
google of the symptoms I came up with "corrupted memo field" as the most
probable cause with the jetcomp program fixing it.  Unfortunately jetcomp
wouldn't run so it didn't fix it.  Unfortunately if you have this problem
somewhere in your db, it causes nasty symptoms.  The fields one by one go to
#error with a jet error reported each time.  No way out but click the OK
button each time.  Even when all done, if you hang around in the form, the
error will pop up again and again, every 10-15 seconds.

I have no doubt that the problem behind the problem is a corrupt memo field,
but the fact is that 3 of 5 computers don't display the problem, in fact 4
of 6.  I just checked my server here at my office and it has sp1 as well,
the db runs fine here.  Those that do display the problem have SP2, the rest
SP1.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I have SP2 installed and don't get that message on either Win2k or
WinXP.  What Jet service pack is applied?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:36 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you
and another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2
applied (2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the
error.  The error occurs as the data is being saved into the table,
after AfterUpdate.  Oddly enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a
done deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to
break a functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that
worked to see if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 15:48:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:48:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273C8@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a form that the user wanted hundreds of fields from half dozen tables
displayed on tabs.  I just used SELECT * during design because I didn't know
what they would want and what they wouldn't.  Now it is done and it's time
to clean up, not pull more than I absolutely need etc.

One tabbed form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Thu Oct 23 16:02:19 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:02:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zip Code questions (was:  Number vs text data type)
In-Reply-To: <006701c3994f$d5ac2280$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJOEAIFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Since I have received numerous requests for the U.S. Zip Code database, I
would also like to mention that I have a Canadian Postal Code database
available too. Again, please email me off-line if you are interested. The
Canadian version does not have a form with CBF to populate the municipality
and province, but you can easily convert the code in the U.S. version to
handle that function.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

> Arthur
>
> To further help answer your question about "do any start with zero, etc",
> I
> have a small DB with accompanying CBF that contains all U.S. zip codes and
> the code to populate city and state fields based upon the zip code input.
> Yours (and anyone else's) for the asking ... off-list, of course!
>



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 16:13:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:13:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273CC@main2.marlow.com>

That's easy.

Dim ctrl
dim strTemp
strTemp="SELECT "
For each ctrl in Me.Controls
	if isnull(ctrl.ControlSource)=False and ctrl.ControlSource<>"" then
		strTemp=strTemp & ctrl.ControlSource & ", "
	end if
Next
strTemp=Left(strTemp,Len(strTemp)-2)

Now, if you have unbound controls, that code might act up a bit, so you
would need to nest the If then statement in another one that checks the
types of controls (either ignore the controls that can't be bound, or
specify those that can).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I have a form that the user wanted hundreds of fields from half dozen tables
displayed on tabs.  I just used SELECT * during design because I didn't know
what they would want and what they wouldn't.  Now it is done and it's time
to clean up, not pull more than I absolutely need etc.

One tabbed form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Thu Oct 23 16:15:36 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:15:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825F9@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Thu Oct 23 16:19:45 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:19:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C93@EXCHMAIL>

Try a making a new table with a make table query. Is it successful? IF not, you most likely have a corrupt memo field. I see the same problems as you do, but haven't been able to find it as we are switching this mdb over to a SQL 2K/ADP so I haven't spent the time to figure why jet is corrupting (not to mention we have around 80 users in at a time :( ) Another way that corruption shows its ugly head (but not all the time) is to compact the mdb, sometimes you will get the message like you stated in an earlier post "you and another user..." which leaves you with a compacted db1.mdb and you non compacted mdb.  

I have an A97 MDB that uses bound forms :( and has close to a million records in one of the tables. This table has a memo field which seems to corrupt every now and then. I have to make a new table and export all records before and after the corrupt record. I then make an append query and query all of the data from the corrupt record (except for the memo field) and append to the new table. I then recreate the memo field from my audit trail table (or back up mdb if the record was old enough). It sucks but it does work.

I know you are looking for a reason why you are seeing different results, but you most likely have corruption and should take care of that.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


Charlotte,

I guess I should have been more clear, it isn't everywhere.  This is a large
database with many tables.  All but one form function fine.  In a very brief
google of the symptoms I came up with "corrupted memo field" as the most
probable cause with the jetcomp program fixing it.  Unfortunately jetcomp
wouldn't run so it didn't fix it.  Unfortunately if you have this problem
somewhere in your db, it causes nasty symptoms.  The fields one by one go to
#error with a jet error reported each time.  No way out but click the OK
button each time.  Even when all done, if you hang around in the form, the
error will pop up again and again, every 10-15 seconds.

I have no doubt that the problem behind the problem is a corrupt memo field,
but the fact is that 3 of 5 computers don't display the problem, in fact 4
of 6.  I just checked my server here at my office and it has sp1 as well,
the db runs fine here.  Those that do display the problem have SP2, the rest
SP1.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I have SP2 installed and don't get that message on either Win2k or
WinXP.  What Jet service pack is applied?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:36 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


I just wanted to give a heads up - I have a client that is using Office
2002.  He is getting the JET error "the operation was halted because you
and another user...".  This error only occurs on machines that have SP2
applied (2 out of 5) whereas those with SP1 (3 of 5) don't get the
error.  The error occurs as the data is being saved into the table,
after AfterUpdate.  Oddly enough the data did go in to the table.

Nothing obvious, compacted / repaired the BE and FE using the built-in
compact etc.  The standalone compact/repair program failed early on
(immediately).

I do not know for sure that it is a SP issue, however those that had SP1
worked, those with SP2 failed.  Since I only have 5 machines it isn't a
done deal that this is the issue.  On the other hand I was loath to
break a functioning machine by applying the SP2 to one of those that
worked to see if it broke.

I did try uninstalling, then reinstalling and applying only SP1.  The
machine still failed.  Likewise not conclusive evidence since uninstall
leaves trash behind.

John W. Colby

From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Oct 23 16:26:00 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:26:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] GIS
References: 	<125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509EB77C@energys1.energy.local><3F74775D.7010601@shaw.ca>
	<006301c3994d$83c98720$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <002201c399ac$42aec340$fdc581d5@pedro>

Hello Martin,

i work a lott with ArcView3.3 and with access.
What do you want to know precisely?


Pedro Janssen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: [AccessD] GIS


> Anyone ever worked with GIS i.e downloading to Access?
>
>
> Martin
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From ggonzalez at cccis.com  Thu Oct 23 16:42:03 2003
From: ggonzalez at cccis.com (ggonzalez at cccis.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:42:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <OFC8ED214E.94574DC4-ON86256DC8.0076FCA6@win.cccis.com>






Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps


                                                                                                                                               
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Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 23 17:27:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:27:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?

Charlotte Foust

From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Oct 23 18:04:08 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:04:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F985E68.9040501@verizon.net>

Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may 
be having the same problem, or offer a solution

:)

Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________


-- 
-Francisco



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 23 18:01:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:01:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009e01c399b9$a4f53a40$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...getting no virus laden e's here or the hotmail address since the last
outbreak ...knock on wood :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 23 18:19:27 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:19:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Our AV catches them and my outlook was quarantining the attachments all
along, but it's a nuisance to have to go through and delete all these
every day!  Plus our mail server also sends me a message for each of
them to let me know it trapped a virus, so that's twice the number of
emails I have to delete.  I can't even figure out a rule that would
apply, since there's no consistency on the subject.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may 
be having the same problem, or offer a solution

:)

Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing 
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update" 
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I

> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one 
> in the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust _______________________________________________


-- 
-Francisco


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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Oct 23 18:21:07 2003
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (gus withington)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:21:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <014001c399bc$5790e1c0$1a75fea9@LAPTOP>

you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count! and it
seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list

augusta

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 23 18:31:51 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:31:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273BE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001901c399bd$d89b2220$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks Drew - I'm OK again now but appreciate it. 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:32 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  If you still need this, let me know.  I can set something up on my site.  No
  problem.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:02 AM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Free Online Temp Storage


  Hi all - does anyone know of a site where I could upload a 2.9 MB file for a
  client to download from? 

  It's just a one off - I have to deliver a file to a client and cannot zip to
  under 2.9 MB which is too large for them.

  (I don't want to sign up to any ongoing membership thing....)


  TIA
  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 23 18:33:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273D4@main2.marlow.com>

I have it in my spam filters...so it's slowed down quite a bit.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?

Charlotte Foust
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Oct 23 18:50:53 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:50:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Recent List Changes
References: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>
	<010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <005b01c399c0$7f4f7470$6401a8c0@user>

Well done Bryan.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lembit Soobik 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com ; Board Of Directors of DBA ; DBA Executive Team ; ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com ; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com ; dba-owners at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:11 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Recent List Changes


  Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to
  provide for text only messages.  This change, implemented on over 25 lists was
  well
  prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change
  were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website.  We
  experienced no surprises and no problems resulted.  With the exception of the
  announcement,  the change went unnoticed.

  This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes
  implemented.  This great success was only possible with the careful preparation
  and
  documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell.

  Thank you very much for this great work.

  Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA
  Donna Cook, VP DBA




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 19:53:15 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:53:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <009e01c399b9$a4f53a40$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOGFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't seem to be getting any.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


...getting no virus laden e's here or the hotmail address since the last
outbreak ...knock on wood :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 19:59:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:59:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
In-Reply-To: <OFC8ED214E.94574DC4-ON86256DC8.0076FCA6@win.cccis.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOHFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



                      Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
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accessd at databaseadvisors.com
                      accessd-bounces at databasea        cc:
                      dvisors.com                      Subject:  RE:
[AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More


                      10/23/2003 04:15 PM
                      Please respond to Access
                      Developers discussion and
                      problem solving






Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 20:02:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:02:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7C93@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEOHFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I most likely do have corruption.  Unfortunately the database has 10 years
worth of history and is 450 mbytes.  I have no doubt there may be hundreds
or even thousands of corrupt records.  I don't even want to get in to trying
to fix them using the method you outlined.  They can do their job on three
of the computers - that's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win2K, Access 2002 SP2


Try a making a new table with a make table query. Is it successful? IF not,
you most likely have a corrupt memo field. I see the same problems as you
do, but haven't been able to find it as we are switching this mdb over to a
SQL 2K/ADP so I haven't spent the time to figure why jet is corrupting (not
to mention we have around 80 users in at a time :( ) Another way that
corruption shows its ugly head (but not all the time) is to compact the mdb,
sometimes you will get the message like you stated in an earlier post "you
and another user..." which leaves you with a compacted db1.mdb and you non
compacted mdb.

I have an A97 MDB that uses bound forms :( and has close to a million
records in one of the tables. This table has a memo field which seems to
corrupt every now and then. I have to make a new table and export all
records before and after the corrupt record. I then make an append query and
query all of the data from the corrupt record (except for the memo field)
and append to the new table. I then recreate the memo field from my audit
trail table (or back up mdb if the record was old enough). It sucks but it
does work.

I know you are looking for a reason why you are seeing different results,
but you most likely have corruption and should take care of that.

David





From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 20:03:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:03:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825F9@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOIFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

You must do the export / insert method mentioned in the other emails.  Use
INSERT, not import!  Insert CLASS, then immediately INSERT file.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More


Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 20:05:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:05:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273CC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEOIFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yep too easy.  I was hoping for someone who actually used it.  I need
it sorted so I can find things in the listing.  I can whip out what you
wrote in about 5 minutes.  Sorting is another matter.  I actually have a
sort I wrote one time that sorts stuff going into a collection.  Guess I
need to dig it out.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


That's easy.

Dim ctrl
dim strTemp
strTemp="SELECT "
For each ctrl in Me.Controls
	if isnull(ctrl.ControlSource)=False and ctrl.ControlSource<>"" then
		strTemp=strTemp & ctrl.ControlSource & ", "
	end if
Next
strTemp=Left(strTemp,Len(strTemp)-2)

Now, if you have unbound controls, that code might act up a bit, so you
would need to nest the If then statement in another one that checks the
types of controls (either ignore the controls that can't be bound, or
specify those that can).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I have a form that the user wanted hundreds of fields from half dozen tables
displayed on tabs.  I just used SELECT * during design because I didn't know
what they would want and what they wouldn't.  Now it is done and it's time
to clean up, not pull more than I absolutely need etc.

One tabbed form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:50 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 20:23:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:23:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEOJFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 23 20:35:29 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:35:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEELEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Pretty clean here.

<knockin' on wood...>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:28 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
> 
> 
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 23 20:51:08 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:51:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEOJFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEMEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Revenge, eh?
If life were only so simple (and I wish it were in this case). I'm anxioulsy
waiting to hear any negative about this approach.

A few questions come to mind:
Would this mess up the web page's hit count? Would each interation count as
a new hit?
Would this count against the traffic limits of web hosting accounts that are
charged that way?

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
>
>
> http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 23 21:00:23 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:00:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <014001c399bc$5790e1c0$1a75fea9@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:

> you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list

It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.

I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
going on.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 23 21:01:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:01:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEMEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEOLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

It appears from what I read on the page that the counts wouldn't be affected
since it makes up bogus pages on-the-fly.  As for traffic limits, I guess it
would apply, I mean it is kbytes shoveled out.  Pure html though probably
isn't that big.

Seemed like a novel way to get back at the bastids.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B.
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Any comments on this?


Revenge, eh?
If life were only so simple (and I wish it were in this case). I'm anxioulsy
waiting to hear any negative about this approach.

A few questions come to mind:
Would this mess up the web page's hit count? Would each interation count as
a new hit?
Would this count against the traffic limits of web hosting accounts that are
charged that way?

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
>
>
> http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu Oct 23 21:02:08 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:02:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
	<3F985E68.9040501@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV28BLxKWqy4b0000f48a@hotmail.com>

Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone away
in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.

Todd.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


> Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>
> :)
>
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> > emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> > type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> > only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> > the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
>
>
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 23 21:04:26 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:04:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recent List Changes
In-Reply-To: <010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <3F98506A.5616.1434B07@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 16:11, Lembit Soobik wrote:

> careful preparation and documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan
> Carbonell.
> 
> Thank you very much for this great work.

Then On 23 Oct 2003 at 9:20, Gary Kjos wrote:

> Yes, Great Job Bryan! Thanks a lot for all your time and effort!

Then On 24 Oct 2003 at 9:50, Kath Pelletti wrote:

> Well done Bryan.


Thanks, and you're welcome :-)

I'm glad that I can help.

But, Lembit, there are two N's in my last name :-))

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    YOU have a PERCEPTION problem.



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 23 21:12:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:12:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEMEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00f001c399d4$50b1ec60$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...yes (most counters) and yes (could be significant) ...but the real
problem imo is that the search bots for the legitimate search engines are
NOT lobotomized and would quickly shut down ALL of their references to the
site most likely including pages that you do want listed ...search engines
like Google have a very low tolerance for being screwed with and a ready
cure :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Any comments on this?


> Revenge, eh?
> If life were only so simple (and I wish it were in this case). I'm
anxioulsy
> waiting to hear any negative about this approach.
>
> A few questions come to mind:
> Would this mess up the web page's hit count? Would each interation count
as
> a new hit?
> Would this count against the traffic limits of web hosting accounts that
are
> charged that way?
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
> >
> >
> > http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 23 16:44:55 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:44:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7827@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

It's all explained on the Access Web at...

http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0034.htm

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca [SMTP:Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:16 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
> 
> Further to note below-
> 
> I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
> When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
> When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.
> 
> Any help /advice would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> jack
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97
> 
> 
> Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
> mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
> using Acc97.
> 
> jack
> 
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Oct 23 21:24:25 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:24:25 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Open Source
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031024151852.02080b60@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I have had someone suggest to me that Open Source products would be 
suitable for a web enabled application.  This is a new area to me.  One 
advantage they say is that there would be no licensing issues for multiple 
users.

Their web site with the details is http://www.mediasculpt.com/technology.php

Can anyone comment on this - pros/cons?

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 21:26:26 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:26:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEOLFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEMEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3F991A72.32129.10C06C1@localhost>

On 23 Oct 2003 at 22:01, John Colby wrote:

> It appears from what I read on the page that the counts wouldn't be affected
> since it makes up bogus pages on-the-fly.  

Au contraire, every time the bot follows a bogus link it makes 
another hit on the server which will up your count for that site. 
It depends a lot on how are logging hits. If you are using a tool 
like webalyzer, you can exclude hits to the WPoison link from your 
tallies.

>As for traffic limits, I guess it
> would apply, I mean it is kbytes shoveled out.  Pure html though probably
> isn't that big.
> 

To quote from the site:

"The effect of these calculated pauses is that they insure that any 
address harvesting web crawlers that may be diligently attempting to 
suck as many Wpoison-generated web pages out of your site as fast as 
possible will in fact only be able to suck pages out at a reasonable 
and moderate pace which will not have any sustained dramatic effect 
upon your CPU usage or network bandwidth, and yet still fast enough 
so that if one of these spammer address harvesting web crawlers is 
left to try to digest your entire web site, say, overnight, then 
within a few hours (and certainly by morning) its data base of e-mail 
addresses will have been well and throughly polluted by millions of 
utterly bogus e-mail addresses, just as we would like. "

If you are generating "millions of utterly bogus email addresses" 
plus the false links in each on-the-fly page, you will be serving up 
multi-megabytes of data so you could easily run into problems if you 
have a low traffic limit. 

However, as they point out:
"If your web site is one that does not allow you to install or use 
dynamic CGI scripts, then you don't have the option of being able to 
install or use your own local copy of Wpoison. In such cases, you may 
still be able to benefit from the presence of other installed copies 
of Wpoison that are available elsewhere on the web (in particular, 
our installed copies) merely by linking to them. "

That way, you pass the bot off to another site which presumably can 
handle the data flow.

> Seemed like a novel way to get back at the bastids.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B.
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
> 
> 
> Revenge, eh?
> If life were only so simple (and I wish it were in this case). I'm anxioulsy
> waiting to hear any negative about this approach.
> 
> A few questions come to mind:
> Would this mess up the web page's hit count? Would each interation count as
> a new hit?
> Would this count against the traffic limits of web hosting accounts that are
> charged that way?
> 
> John B.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
> >
> >
> > http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
> >
> > John W. Colby
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 00:22:25 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:22:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <3F985E68.9040501@verizon.net> <BAY4-DAV28BLxKWqy4b0000f48a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F98B711.7010909@shaw.ca>

I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of 
10 since mid august
My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K. 
That is at least 1 ping
from somewhere every 15 secs.
You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs


Todd Buttrey wrote:

>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone away
>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
>
>Todd.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>  
>
>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>-Francisco
>>
>>
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>  
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 00:30:42 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:30:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] A2k: "I","U" in a string?
Message-ID: <20031024053042.68734.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I'm building a lot of dynamicly created queries.

I need to create about 15 queries with in IN()
statement eg:
SELECT ID
FROM tblConnections
WHERE ID = '7'
AND Type IN ("I","U")

Question:
I have 11 diff combinations of IN() types.
("I","U")
("T","Y")
("A","S")
("D","S")
ETC.
ETC.

What is the best way to define these?

Is it possible to store it in a string?
something like:
strIN = ""I","U""

TIA

sd

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 00:36:28 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:36:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Open Source
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031024151852.02080b60@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3F98BA5C.7020302@shaw.ca>

If you plan to do an International Polyglot site,say Chinese with DBCS; 
PHP has problems with Unicode, since it is 8 bit character ISO 8859-1 
based at it's bottom end functions. This may have changed since I last 
looked at a version of PHP.

The MySQL database server is available for free under the GNU General 
Public License (GPL). Commercial licenses are available for users who 
prefer not to be restricted by the terms of the GPL.

David Emerson wrote:

> I have had someone suggest to me that Open Source products would be 
> suitable for a web enabled application.  This is a new area to me.  
> One advantage they say is that there would be no licensing issues for 
> multiple users.
>
> Their web site with the details is 
> http://www.mediasculpt.com/technology.php
>
> Can anyone comment on this - pros/cons?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> DALYN Software Ltd
> 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
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From djkr at msn.com  Fri Oct 24 02:52:16 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:52:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001701c39a03$be0b8030$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Not a peep here.
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 23 October 2003 23:28
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
> 
> 
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with 
> virus-bearing emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both 
> the "Security Update" type and the SWEN-bearing "your email 
> could not be delivered" type.  I only get them at work (my 
> address for this list) and I'm the only one in the office 
> that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 04:20:41 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE64@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Good morning all!

Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?

I have two tables, tblOutstandingECRs, and tblScript.

tblOutstandingECRs has a single text field which contains a list of document
numbers (like 401-015763 and 401-019737). I need to step through these
records, one at a time, and copy them, with changes, to tblScript. The first
record of tblScript needs to have a fixed bit of text ("set db pdm") and the
last is also fixed ("list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn").


If tblOutstandingECRs contained the three records:

401-015763
401-019737
401-023359

I need tblScript to have:

set db pdm
set record ecr\401-015763\1 /var=%oldset1
set record ecr\401-019737\1 /var=%oldset1
set record ecr\401-023359\1 /var=%oldset1
list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn


The problem that I'm getting is that it writes the first record ("set db
pdm"), second record ("set record ecr\401-015763\1 /var=%oldset1"), and
third record ("set record ecr\401-019737\1 /var=%oldset1") fine, then goes
into and endless loop of writing the third record again.

Any ideas please what I'm doing wrong here?

TIA!
Chris Foote


----------(Code)------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub Command0_Click()

Dim db As Database
Dim rec As Recordset
Dim strECR As String

Set db = CurrentDb()

'-------------------------------
'Write first line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "set db pdm"

rec.Update

rec.Close

'-------------------------------
'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
'-------------------------------

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

rec.MoveFirst

' Do until end of file
Do Until rec.EOF

strECR = rec("ECR_No")

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "set record ecr\" & strECR & "\1 /var=%oldset1"

rec.Update

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

rec.MoveNext

Loop

'-------------------------------
'Write last line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"

rec.Update

rec.Close

End Sub
-------------(End Code)----------

From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 04:54:25 2003
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (gus withington)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:54:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
Message-ID: <01da01c39a15$653775b0$1a75fea9@LAPTOP>

wow you are quite lucky!  I am glad to hear that it is not this list . . .


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Oct 24 05:09:16 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:09:16 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
In-Reply-To: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE64@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006201c39a16$e1f08460$2955a8c0@BITSNB02>

Your problem is that you are using one recordset to access 2 tables.  Within
your do loop you are using this
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
But the loop is controlled by rec and you are reinitialising it on each pass.
So it will never end.

If you want to go the code method, use 2 recordsets.  Say rectblScript and
rectblOutstandingECRs.

Then iterate through rectblOutstandingECRs and for each record add a new record
to rectblScript.

If you need help modifying the code drop me a note.

Another potentially simpler method to to write a query that does all of one you
want in one hit.  (ie append query)

Regards,

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Foote, Chris
> Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
>
>
> Good morning all!
>
> Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?
>
> I have two tables, tblOutstandingECRs, and tblScript.
>
> tblOutstandingECRs has a single text field which contains a
> list of document
> numbers (like 401-015763 and 401-019737). I need to step through these
> records, one at a time, and copy them, with changes, to
> tblScript. The first
> record of tblScript needs to have a fixed bit of text ("set
> db pdm") and the
> last is also fixed ("list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn").
>
>
> If tblOutstandingECRs contained the three records:
>
> 401-015763
> 401-019737
> 401-023359
>
> I need tblScript to have:
>
> set db pdm
> set record ecr\401-015763\1 /var=%oldset1
> set record ecr\401-019737\1 /var=%oldset1
> set record ecr\401-023359\1 /var=%oldset1
> list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn
>
>
> The problem that I'm getting is that it writes the first
> record ("set db
> pdm"), second record ("set record ecr\401-015763\1
> /var=%oldset1"), and
> third record ("set record ecr\401-019737\1 /var=%oldset1")
> fine, then goes
> into and endless loop of writing the third record again.
>
> Any ideas please what I'm doing wrong here?
>
> TIA!
> Chris Foote
>
>
> ----------(Code)------------
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
>
> Dim db As Database
> Dim rec As Recordset
> Dim strECR As String
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
>
> '-------------------------------
> 'Write first line to output table
> '--------------------------------
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
>
> rec.AddNew
>
> rec("fldScript") = "set db pdm"
>
> rec.Update
>
> rec.Close
>
> '-------------------------------
> 'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
> '-------------------------------
>
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")
>
> rec.MoveFirst
>
> ' Do until end of file
> Do Until rec.EOF
>
> strECR = rec("ECR_No")
>
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
>
> rec.AddNew
>
> rec("fldScript") = "set record ecr\" & strECR & "\1 /var=%oldset1"
>
> rec.Update
>
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")
>
> rec.MoveNext
>
> Loop
>
> '-------------------------------
> 'Write last line to output table
> '--------------------------------
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
>
> rec.AddNew
>
> rec("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"
>
> rec.Update
>
> rec.Close
>
> End Sub
> -------------(End Code)----------
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 05:22:41 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:22:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE65@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Cheers Stuart!

I'll have a look at this. I don't think I can use a query for this as, apart
from adding a predefined first and last record, I also need to add five
predefined records between each "dynamic" record as I loop through. I did
snip this out of my code when I originally posted.

Thanks again!
Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> 
> 
> Your problem is that you are using one recordset to access 2 
> tables.  Within
> your do loop you are using this
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
> But the loop is controlled by rec and you are reinitialising 
> it on each pass.
> So it will never end.
> 
> If you want to go the code method, use 2 recordsets.  Say 
> rectblScript and
> rectblOutstandingECRs.
> 
> Then iterate through rectblOutstandingECRs and for each 
> record add a new record
> to rectblScript.
> 
> If you need help modifying the code drop me a note.
> 
> Another potentially simpler method to to write a query that 
> does all of one you
> want in one hit.  (ie append query)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stuart
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Foote, Chris
> > Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2003 5:21 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> >
> >
> > Good morning all!
> >
> > Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?
----------~(Orginal post snipped)---------

From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 05:42:22 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:42:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working - solved
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE66@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>


Thanks Stuart, that was my problem!

Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> 
> 
> Your problem is that you are using one recordset to access 2 
> tables.  Within
> your do loop you are using this
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
> But the loop is controlled by rec and you are reinitialising 
> it on each pass.
> So it will never end.
> 
> If you want to go the code method, use 2 recordsets.  Say 
> rectblScript and
> rectblOutstandingECRs.
> 
> Then iterate through rectblOutstandingECRs and for each 
> record add a new record
> to rectblScript.
> 
> If you need help modifying the code drop me a note.
> 
> Another potentially simpler method to to write a query that 
> does all of one you
> want in one hit.  (ie append query)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stuart
> 

From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 06:09:24 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
Message-ID: <20031024110924.2470.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
On this form I've got a subform (fComments). 

The subform is bound to the table tblComments
The mainform is not bound.

How can I link the subform to display the data for the
current record at the main form?

I already tried using a query as a record source for
the subform. The query has a parameter that references
an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work?

Any ideas?

Regards,

SD



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 06:23:20 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:23:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Message-ID: <20031024112317.0AFB82A44C5@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Chris
You need to use two recordsets. Each time you reopen the "input" recordset
the pointer is repositioned so MoveNext isn't going to the right record. Try
the following:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub Command0_Click()

Dim db As Database
Dim recIn As Recordset
Dim RecOut as Recordset
Dim strECR As String

Set db = CurrentDb()

'-------------------------------
'Write first line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set recOut = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

recOut.AddNew

recOut("fldScript") = "set db pdm"

recOut.Update

'-------------------------------
'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
'-------------------------------

Set recIn = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

recIn.MoveFirst

' Do until end of file
Do Until recIn.EOF

strECR = recIn("ECR_No")

recOut.AddNew

recOut("fldScript") = "set record ecr\" & strECR & "\1 /var=%oldset1"

recOut.Update

recIn.MoveNext

Loop

'-------------------------------
'Write last line to output table
'--------------------------------
recOut.AddNew

recOut("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"

recOut.Update

recIn.Close:set recIn=Nothing
recOut.Close:set recOut=Nothing
End Sub


--
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Date: 24/10/03 09:22


Good morning all!

Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?

I have two tables, tblOutstandingECRs, and tblScript.

tblOutstandingECRs has a single text field which contains a list of document
numbers (like 401-015763 and 401-019737). I need to step through these
records, one at a time, and copy them, with changes, to tblScript. The first
record of tblScript needs to have a fixed bit of text ("set db pdm") and the
last is also fixed ("list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn").


If tblOutstandingECRs contained the three records:

401-015763
401-019737
401-023359

I need tblScript to have:

set db pdm
set record ecr401-0157631 /var=%oldset1
set record ecr401-0197371 /var=%oldset1
set record ecr401-0233591 /var=%oldset1
list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn


The problem that I'm getting is that it writes the first record ("set db
pdm"), second record ("set record ecr401-0157631 /var=%oldset1"), and
third record ("set record ecr401-0197371 /var=%oldset1") fine, then goes
into and endless loop of writing the third record again.

Any ideas please what I'm doing wrong here?

TIA!
Chris Foote


----------(Code)------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub Command0_Click()

Dim db As Database
Dim rec As Recordset
Dim strECR As String

Set db = CurrentDb()

'-------------------------------
'Write first line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "set db pdm"

rec.Update

rec.Close

'-------------------------------
'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
'-------------------------------

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

rec.MoveFirst

' Do until end of file
Do Until rec.EOF

strECR = rec("ECR_No")

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "set record ecr" & strECR & "1 /var=%oldset1"

rec.Update

Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")

rec.MoveNext

Loop

'-------------------------------
'Write last line to output table
'--------------------------------
Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")

rec.AddNew

rec("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"

rec.Update

rec.Close

End Sub
-------------(End Code)----------
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 06:25:23 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:25:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
Message-ID: <20031024112520.A6A952A0093@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Sander
What you said you tried sounds right, but you will have to Requery the
subform in the OnCurrent of the main form because Access will not do that
for you.

--
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
Date: 24/10/03 11:11


Hi group,

I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
On this form I've got a subform (fComments).

The subform is bound to the table tblComments
The mainform is not bound.

How can I link the subform to display the data for the
current record at the main form?

I already tried using a query as a record source for
the subform. The query has a parameter that references
an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work?

Any ideas?

Regards,

SD



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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Oct 24 06:27:37 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:27:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
Message-ID: <10991242.1066994857745.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

quickly off the top of my head, what you could do is something like below......
in the OnCurrent event of the main (unbound) form, have something like below :
Forms![mainformname].Form![subformname].RecordSource = "SELECT FROM tableforsubform WHERE tableforsubform.uniqueid = " & me.uniqueid 
Forms![mainformname].Form![subformname].Refresh ' note this may need to be changed to Requery
Let me know if you have any problems, or even send a sample copy of your database and I will have a look.

Paul Hartland




Message date : Oct 24 2003, 12:15 PM 
>From : Sad Der 
To : Acces User Group 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform 
Hi group, 

I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI). 
On this form I've got a subform (fComments). 

The subform is bound to the table tblComments 
The mainform is not bound. 

How can I link the subform to display the data for the 
current record at the main form? 

I already tried using a query as a record source for 
the subform. The query has a parameter that references 
an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work? 

Any ideas? 

Regards, 

SD 



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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 06:33:10 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:33:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE68@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Cheers Andy!

With help from Stuart Sanders this is (more or less) what I have come with.
But I had forgotten about setting the recordsets to "Nothing" which I will
change straight away!

Thanks for your help!
Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> 
> 
> Chris
> You need to use two recordsets. Each time you reopen the 
> "input" recordset
> the pointer is repositioned so MoveNext isn't going to the 
> right record. Try
> the following:
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> 
> Dim db As Database
> Dim recIn As Recordset
> Dim RecOut as Recordset
> Dim strECR As String
> 
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
> '-------------------------------
> 'Write first line to output table
> '--------------------------------
> Set recOut = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
> 
> recOut.AddNew
> 
> recOut("fldScript") = "set db pdm"
> 
> recOut.Update
> 
> '-------------------------------
> 'Open tblOutstandingECRs and move to first record
> '-------------------------------
> 
> Set recIn = db.OpenRecordset("tblOutstandingECRs")
> 
> recIn.MoveFirst
> 
> ' Do until end of file
> Do Until recIn.EOF
> 
> strECR = recIn("ECR_No")
> 
> recOut.AddNew
> 
> recOut("fldScript") = "set record ecr\" & strECR & "\1 /var=%oldset1"
> 
> recOut.Update
> 
> recIn.MoveNext
> 
> Loop
> 
> '-------------------------------
> 'Write last line to output table
> '--------------------------------
> recOut.AddNew
> 
> recOut("fldScript") = "list record %oldset1 recname,reclevel recn"
> 
> recOut.Update
> 
> recIn.Close:set recIn=Nothing
> recOut.Close:set recOut=Nothing
> End Sub
> 
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> Date: 24/10/03 09:22
> 
> 
> Good morning all!
> 
> Can anyone please see what I've doing wrong in the code below?
----------(Original post snipped)---------

From askolits at ot.com  Fri Oct 24 06:56:33 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:56:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <001701c39a03$be0b8030$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFEEKNDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

I get about 50 a day. Started a couple weeks ago. If it hasn't gotten to you
yet, it will probably get to you eventually. The Microsoft Patch Update
looks very official, and any moderate email user can be easily duped.

John Skolits

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


Not a peep here.
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 23 October 2003 23:28
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with
> virus-bearing emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both
> the "Security Update" type and the SWEN-bearing "your email
> could not be delivered" type.  I only get them at work (my
> address for this list) and I'm the only one in the office
> that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Oct 24 07:31:27 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:31:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30662554@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF6E@ADGSERVER>

I am not getting any.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail


Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing emails?
I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update" type and the
SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I only get them at
work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in the office that's
getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?

Charlotte Foust
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From kwilliam at ashlandnet.com  Fri Oct 24 07:45:04 2003
From: kwilliam at ashlandnet.com (Keith Williamson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:45:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
Message-ID: <002301c39a2c$a6554330$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>

I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton Antivirus
blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE for
some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after being
downloaded.)

Don't know what is happening here.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail

On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:

> you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list

It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.

I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
going on.

--
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 07:47:47 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:47:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
In-Reply-To: <20031024110924.2470.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEPOFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Actually what you do is in the subform link master fields property simply
place the name of the control (text box usually) that contains the data for
the PK of the parent form.  Then place the FIELD NAME of the related FK in
the Link Child Fields form.

You may have to requery the subform when the main form changes, but try just
changing the text field and see what happens.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:09 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform


Hi group,

I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
On this form I've got a subform (fComments).

The subform is bound to the table tblComments
The mainform is not bound.

How can I link the subform to display the data for the
current record at the main form?

I already tried using a query as a record source for
the subform. The query has a parameter that references
an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work?

Any ideas?

Regards,

SD



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 07:50:03 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:50:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <3F98B711.7010909@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEPPFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't have this file / directory.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
10 since mid august
My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
That is at least 1 ping
from somewhere every 15 secs.
You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs


Todd Buttrey wrote:

>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone away
>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
>
>Todd.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>
>
>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>-Francisco
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 08:25:27 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
In-Reply-To: <20031024112520.A6A952A0093@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031024132527.11148.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>

First prize for Andy! Thnx a lot.

The field I needed was loaded in the OnLoad event. I
needed the Requery after that. I used the Repaint...I
have to figure out the diff between those two.

Thanx again

SD

--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Sander
> What you said you tried sounds right, but you will
> have to Requery the
> subform in the OnCurrent of the main form because
> Access will not do that
> for you.
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Acces User Group"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound
> mainform and subform
> Date: 24/10/03 11:11
> 
> 
> Hi group,
> 
> I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
> On this form I've got a subform (fComments).
> 
> The subform is bound to the table tblComments
> The mainform is not bound.
> 
> How can I link the subform to display the data for
> the
> current record at the main form?
> 
> I already tried using a query as a record source for
> the subform. The query has a parameter that
> references
> an ID on the main form. Somehow this doesn't work?
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> SD
> 
> 
> 
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 08:34:43 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <20031024133443.28726.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar). 

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 24 08:45:30 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:45:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Any comments on this?
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD782B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

It's tempting to say that anything that fights spammers is worthwhile, but I
wonder if handing them millions of bogus email addresses will not just
increase the volume of email traffic on the net. True the email won't arrive
anywhere, but the data still has to move, and will probably generate more
mail back to the spammers when they get the "undeliverable" notices.

Lambert

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> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:24 PM
> To:	AccessD
> Subject:	[AccessD] Any comments on this?
> 
> http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/
> 
> John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 08:49:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:49:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <20031024133443.28726.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEABFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  Everybody wants this.  It definitely isn't possible strictly within
Access using built in properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:35 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 08:54:20 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John B.)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:54:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <3F98B711.7010909@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEFAEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Dittos to that! My little red exclamation point in the sys tray has been
blinking constantly for the last week or two.

I had been getting dozens of the aft mentioned viruses a couple of weeks
ago. I looked in the headers and asked the ISP to check into to it and
apparently either they did or by some coincidence the infected person did
something about it.
?

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> 10 since mid august
> My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> That is at least 1 ping
> from somewhere every 15 secs.
> You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
>
>
> Todd Buttrey wrote:
>
> >Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to
> have gone away
> >in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
> >
> >Todd.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> >Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> >>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> >>
> >>:)
> >>
> >>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> >>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> >>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> >>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the
> only one in
> >>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >>>
> >>>Charlotte Foust
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>-Francisco
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >
> >
>
> --
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 08:59:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:59:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <20031024135953.49C0F2FBB2D@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Sander
I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a command button
in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec

It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
to scroll down.

There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date created field,
and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
at the top), then you can do the following:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
me!DateField=Now()
me.requery

This will add the new record with the latest date then the requery will sort
it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 13:37


Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 24 09:16:03 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:16:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD782D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Not a one. But then maybe that's because my Exchange Server is getting rid
of them before I see anything.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:28 PM
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Virus mail
> 
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
> the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 09:22:50 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:22:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEPPFGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F9935BA.9010501@shaw.ca>

If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
. Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings 
are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
 You may have turned them off.
 From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather 
than log viewer
Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files 
have been turned off
If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.




John Colby wrote:

>I don't have this file / directory.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
>10 since mid august
>My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
>That is at least 1 ping
>from somewhere every 15 secs.
>You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
>
>
>Todd Buttrey wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone away
>>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
>>
>>Todd.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
>>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
>>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
>>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
>>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
>>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>--
>>>-Francisco
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>
>
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From ggonzalez at cccis.com  Fri Oct 24 09:24:22 2003
From: ggonzalez at cccis.com (ggonzalez at cccis.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:24:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <OFBEAADFA9.58081F40-ON86256DC9.004E9F13@win.cccis.com>






I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro




                                                                                                                                               
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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



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accessd at databaseadvisors.com
                      accessd-bounces at databasea        cc:
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[AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More


                      10/23/2003 04:15 PM
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                      Developers discussion and
                      problem solving






Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 09:37:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:37:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
In-Reply-To: <OFBEAADFA9.58081F40-ON86256DC9.004E9F13@win.cccis.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I think you MUST use INSERT, not IMPORT.

INSERT class module, INSERT file.  IF I'm not mistaken it is the insert file
that is the key.

BTW, it was those same two modules by dev and terry that got me looking at
how they did that.  I could use them from their lib, but if I imported them
into my lib I couldn't see them outside the lib.  HOW'D THEY DO THAT?  It
took about half a day to find the answer (back in 2000 or thereabouts).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro





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Developers discussion and problem solving"
                      om>
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                      problem solving






>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



                      Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
                      Sent by:                         To:
accessd at databaseadvisors.com
                      accessd-bounces at databasea        cc:
                      dvisors.com                      Subject:  RE:
[AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More


                      10/23/2003 04:15 PM
                      Please respond to Access
                      Developers discussion and
                      problem solving






Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 09:40:31 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:40:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <3F9935BA.9010501@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.

I guess I should ask this again though.

I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down and
bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are you seeing
pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
. Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
 You may have turned them off.
 From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather
than log viewer
Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files
have been turned off
If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.




John Colby wrote:

>I don't have this file / directory.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
>10 since mid august
>My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
>That is at least 1 ping
>from somewhere every 15 secs.
>You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
>
>
>Todd Buttrey wrote:
>
>
>
>>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
away
>>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming from.
>>
>>Todd.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
>>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
>>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
>>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
>>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in
>>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 09:40:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:40:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <20031024135953.49C0F2FBB2D@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Andy,

I usually have the button place the form in Data entry mode (filter out the
existing records).  To do this, store the current values for Data Entry and
Allow Additions, then set DataEntry Yes / Allow Additions Yes, then in after
update of the form set these properties back to their original values, and
finally requery the form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Sander
I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a command button
in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec

It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
to scroll down.

There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date created field,
and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
at the top), then you can do the following:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
me!DateField=Now()
me.requery

This will add the new record with the latest date then the requery will sort
it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 13:37


Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 09:55:12 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:55:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <20031024145508.22CE427558C@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Nice idea JC. I'll try that one next time.

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 14:43


Andy,

I usually have the button place the form in Data entry mode (filter out the
existing records). To do this, store the current values for Data Entry and
Allow Additions, then set DataEntry Yes / Allow Additions Yes, then in after
update of the form set these properties back to their original values, and
finally requery the form.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Sander
I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a command button
in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec

It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
to scroll down.

There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date created field,
and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
at the top), then you can do the following:

DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
me!DateField=Now()
me.requery

This will add the new record with the latest date then the requery will sort
it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 13:37


Hi group,

I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
it is possible to add a record. However I first have
to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).

Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
record) appear on top (as the first line)?

So you see an empty line and below it are all
detailrecords.

Hope this makes sence.

TIA

SD

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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Oct 24 10:07:33 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:07:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <20031024135953.49C0F2FBB2D@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHMEOLEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing is to
basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound fields
on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.

If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are not in
the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).

The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
clicks an add button.  You validate the data, write the data to the table
and requery the subform.  And if that record needs to be at the top then
just set the sort order accordingly.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
> Sander
> I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
> your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
> command button
> in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
>
> It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
> to scroll down.
>
> There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
> extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
> created field,
> and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
> at the top), then you can do the following:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
> me!DateField=Now()
> me.requery
>
> This will add the new record with the latest date then the
> requery will sort
> it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
> Date: 24/10/03 13:37
>
>
> Hi group,
>
> I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
> it is possible to add a record. However I first have
> to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>
> Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
> record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>
> So you see an empty line and below it are all
> detailrecords.
>
> Hope this makes sence.
>
> TIA
>
> SD
>
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 24 10:14:27 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:14:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKAELFDJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

A router (like the netgear the I use) only protects incoming attacks. I dont
believe they protect againts outgoing (software caused) attacks as in
software calling home or blaster type virii as software firewalls do.

David

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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.

I guess I should ask this again though.

I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down and
bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are you seeing
pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 10:14:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:14:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <20031024151452.C591B25F4A5@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Blimey, another good idea. Nice one Reuben. Just goes to prove what a
flexible little baby Access is, or perhaps what flexible little minds are
needed to use it.

Anyway there's lots to go on Sander.

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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Date: 24/10/03 15:11


Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing is to
basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound fields
on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.

If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are not in
the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).

The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
clicks an add button. You validate the data, write the data to the table
and requery the subform. And if that record needs to be at the top then
just set the sort order accordingly.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
> Sander
> I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
> your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
> command button
> in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
>
> It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
> to scroll down.
>
> There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
> extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
> created field,
> and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
> at the top), then you can do the following:
>
> DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
> me!DateField=Now()
> me.requery
>
> This will add the new record with the latest date then the
> requery will sort
> it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
> Date: 24/10/03 13:37
>
>
> Hi group,
>
> I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
> it is possible to add a record. However I first have
> to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>
> Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
> record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>
> So you see an empty line and below it are all
> detailrecords.
>
> Hope this makes sence.
>
> TIA
>
> SD
>

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From ggonzalez at cccis.com  Fri Oct 24 10:20:52 2003
From: ggonzalez at cccis.com (ggonzalez at cccis.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More
Message-ID: <OF4651DA43.109A07CE-ON86256DC9.005440C2@win.cccis.com>






Thats, correct you needt to use insert and not import.

Thanks!


                                                                                                                                               
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I think you MUST use INSERT, not IMPORT.

INSERT class module, INSERT file.  IF I'm not mistaken it is the insert
file
that is the key.

BTW, it was those same two modules by dev and terry that got me looking at
how they did that.  I could use them from their lib, but if I imported them
into my lib I couldn't see them outside the lib.  HOW'D THEY DO THAT?  It
took about half a day to find the answer (back in 2000 or thereabouts).

John W. Colby
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:24 AM
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I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro





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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



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Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 10:25:26 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:25:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKAELFDJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAJFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I dont believe they protect againts outgoing (software caused) attacks as
in software calling home or blaster type virii as software firewalls do.

Understood.  I use spybot to find and get rid of "call home" software.  And
with NAV running AFAIK I don't ever get viruses per se.  It seemed like a
lot of extra work using it for not a lot of extra protection so I just
stopped after awhile.  I ran Zonealarm on top of the hardware firewall for
awhile but it didn't seem to be doing anything for me so I stopped.

John W. Colby
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(Home)
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


A router (like the netgear the I use) only protects incoming attacks. I dont
believe they protect againts outgoing (software caused) attacks as in
software calling home or blaster type virii as software firewalls do.

David

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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.

I guess I should ask this again though.

I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down and
bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are you seeing
pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 10:32:45 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:32:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I'm using a DSL router with a built-in firewall, which required me to
uninstall zonealarm and I never reinstalled it.  I ran Steve Gibsons
tests and my machine came back fully stealthed without it, so I haven't
bothered.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.

I guess I should ask this again though.

I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down
and bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in
it and so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you
guys using Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so
are you seeing pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
. Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211  You may have
turned them off.  From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then
Main Tab rather than log viewer Expand to full screen other wise you may
not  see advanced tab Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs
or if the log files have been turned off If you turn them on you may get
a quick 20 M taken up by these files.




John Colby wrote:

>I don't have this file / directory.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
>I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of

>10 since mid august My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average 
>of 30K a day to 400K. That is at least 1 ping
>from somewhere every 15 secs.
>You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
>
>
>Todd Buttrey wrote:
>
>
>
>>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
away
>>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming 
>>from.
>>
>>Todd.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else 
>>>may be having the same problem, or offer a solution
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing 
>>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"

>>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.

>>>>I only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only 
>>>>one in the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte Foust _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>-Francisco
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>
>
>

--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 10:35:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:35:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123D9@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I wish ours would!  I get both the neutered virus message and a message
from Exchange Server telling me it quarantined the virus!  This has been
going on for weeks.  I actually managed to clog up the Exchange Server's
quarantine folder with all those darn things.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


Not a one. But then maybe that's because my Exchange Server is getting
rid of them before I see anything.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:28 PM
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Virus mail
> 
> Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing 
> emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update" 
> type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I

> only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one 
> in the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> 
> Charlotte Foust _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 10:39:01 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:39:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, and have been
setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a bunch of directories
from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is All Win2K Pro.

In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The transfer starts.  I can
then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That transfer starts.  I
can do this many times, and although each transfer slows down to share the
hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along smoothly.

With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole process locks up.  I
eventually get a "network connection lost".

Isn't XP Home grand.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 10:40:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:40:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I didn't think it was the list since not everyone is affected.  It's
just that my office email address isn't exactly everywhere on the net
and I don't get much email besides list posts except for spam and
internal stuff.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:

> you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count! 
> and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list

It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.

I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
going on.

--
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If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 10:45:01 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:45:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <002301c39a2c$a6554330$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c39a45$c977d300$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine clear of
spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
> detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
> the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
> Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 10:44:53 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:44:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F129bieLYCT4aJ00006944@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

Not a pretty solution...but could you set up the header of the subform for 
data entry(make it look like an empty an empty record) and use the body of 
the subform just to display the records sorted whatever way you want?  When 
they click save...it blanks the header and refreshes the body so it looks 
like the are just adding to the top?

Mark


>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:49:16 -0400
>
>LOL.  Everybody wants this.  It definitely isn't possible strictly within
>Access using built in properties.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:35 AM
>To: Acces User Group
>Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
>Hi group,
>
>I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
>it is possible to add a record. However I first have
>to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>
>Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
>record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>
>So you see an empty line and below it are all
>detailrecords.
>
>Hope this makes sence.
>
>TIA
>
>SD
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 10:46:50 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:46:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEFAEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00a301c39a46$0a44dfe0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Here, Road Runner is cleaning a lot of the viruses from email before sending
them on.  Which raises the question of why the ISPs aren't our first line of
defense against viruses.

And spam as well.  Can't they detect an when a sender's email address isn't
legitimate and give us the option to block those emails?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John B." <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


> Dittos to that! My little red exclamation point in the sys tray has been
> blinking constantly for the last week or two.
>
> I had been getting dozens of the aft mentioned viruses a couple of weeks
> ago. I looked in the headers and asked the ISP to check into to it and
> apparently either they did or by some coincidence the infected person did
> something about it.
> ?
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:22 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> > 10 since mid august
> > My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> > That is at least 1 ping
> > from somewhere every 15 secs.
> > You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
> >
> >
> > Todd Buttrey wrote:
> >
> > >Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to
> > have gone away
> > >in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming
from.
> > >
> > >Todd.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> > >Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> > >>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> > >>
> > >>:)
> > >>
> > >>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> > >>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> > >>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.
I
> > >>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the
> > only one in
> > >>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> > >>>
> > >>>Charlotte Foust
> > >>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>--
> > >>-Francisco
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>AccessD mailing list
> > >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >AccessD mailing list
> > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Marty Connelly
> > Victoria, B.C.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 10:52:56 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:52:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c39a46$e4602400$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I use both the router firewall (Linksys BEFW1154) and Zone Alarm.  I didn't
see any downside to keeping ZA going, and don't know enough about the router
firewall to feel it's going to be 100%.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


> Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.
>
> I guess I should ask this again though.
>
> I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally broke down
and
> bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
> so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
> Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are you
seeing
> pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
> . Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
> When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
> are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
>  You may have turned them off.
>  From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather
> than log viewer
> Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
> Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files
> have been turned off
> If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.
>
>
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >I don't have this file / directory.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> >I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> >10 since mid august
> >My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> >That is at least 1 ping
> >from somewhere every 15 secs.
> >You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
> >
> >
> >Todd Buttrey wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
> away
> >>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were coming
from.
> >>
> >>Todd.
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> >>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> >>>
> >>>:)
> >>>
> >>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> >>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> >>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> >>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one
in
> >>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >>>>
> >>>>Charlotte Foust
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>>-Francisco
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>AccessD mailing list
> >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>AccessD mailing list
> >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Marty Connelly
> >Victoria, B.C.
> >Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 11:02:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:02:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
free.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE 
> temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything

> in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't

> it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the 
> net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and

> Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how 
> the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive 
> (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious 
> code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to 
> > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this 
> > list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering going

> on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 11:12:30 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:12:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <011b01c39a49$a05dfc70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I use the stopper as well - one of the best pieces of software I ever
welcomed into my system.  What WinPatrol?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the
> > net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how
> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this
> > > list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From kwilliam at ashlandnet.com  Fri Oct 24 11:18:39 2003
From: kwilliam at ashlandnet.com (Keith Williamson)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:18:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <009b01c39a45$c977d300$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002c01c39a4a$7c853d30$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>

I actually, also, have Spybot.....which is doing a good job of getting rid
of stuff that made it to my hard drive.  I'm just trying to find out how it
made it to the hard drive....if my virus protection does recognize the code
as malicious.  It is supposed to be scanning everything that is flowing to
my computer.  I liken this to catching the terrorists on the runway, with
weapons.  How did they get past the gate, in the first place.  Yeah...it is
great that we caught them....but they aren't supposed to get this far,
first.   :)

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail

Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine clear of
spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
> detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
> the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
> Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Oct 24 11:19:09 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:19:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHIEOOEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble everyone faces.
I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received a popup or
anything.  In two years I would bet that Norton has caught maybe 10 virus
infected emails total for all 6 machines.

Now maybe I'm spoiled with my DSL provider and the filtering job he does,
but I think you all should start throwing fits with those providing the
services.  For example, my brother gets his DSL directly from Verizon in
Fort Wayne, IN and all he gets done is closing pop ups (and he refuses to
put a router on his PC for some reason).

I realize this doesn't help you all out much, but I had to say something
after reading all this.

BTW, I have never received an infected message from the list (as indicated
by the 10 infected messages in two years)

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the
> > net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how
> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this
> > > list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From paulo at esb.ucp.pt  Fri Oct 24 11:20:38 2003
From: paulo at esb.ucp.pt (Paulo Alexandre Ramos)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:20:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <0111772B-063E-11D8-96F4-000A9589191E@esb.ucp.pt>

John,


I think that is bad network configuration.


Paulo

On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:

> I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, and have been
> setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a bunch of 
> directories
> from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is All Win2K Pro.
>
> In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The transfer starts.  I 
> can
> then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That transfer 
> starts.  I
> can do this many times, and although each transfer slows down to share 
> the
> hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along smoothly.
>
> With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole process locks up.  
> I
> eventually get a "network connection lost".
>
> Isn't XP Home grand.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 11:23:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F129bieLYCT4aJ00006944@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEAOFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I kinda prefer that to leaving unbound controls on the parent form.  This
way the data entry fields would travel with the subform so to speak.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Hello All,

Not a pretty solution...but could you set up the header of the subform for
data entry(make it look like an empty an empty record) and use the body of
the subform just to display the records sorted whatever way you want?  When
they click save...it blanks the header and refreshes the body so it looks
like the are just adding to the top?

Mark


>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:49:16 -0400
>
>LOL.  Everybody wants this.  It definitely isn't possible strictly within
>Access using built in properties.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:35 AM
>To: Acces User Group
>Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
>Hi group,
>
>I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
>it is possible to add a record. However I first have
>to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>
>Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
>record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>
>So you see an empty line and below it are all
>detailrecords.
>
>Hope this makes sence.
>
>TIA
>
>SD
>
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 24 11:35:43 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:35:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <002c01c39a4a$7c853d30$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKKELNDJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

"Mailicous spyware is not a virus..." is the reply that I have received from
AV companies. And technically they are true, but I have seen Gator (a
spyware) cause more grief on my brothers computer than any virus ever did to
him.

So since spyware is not a virus, AV software do not scan or detect them
(although most of the later AV software packages are starting to include
spyware detection) :)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Keith
Williamson
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I actually, also, have Spybot.....which is doing a good job of getting rid
of stuff that made it to my hard drive.  I'm just trying to find out how it
made it to the hard drive....if my virus protection does recognize the code
as malicious.  It is supposed to be scanning everything that is flowing to
my computer.  I liken this to catching the terrorists on the runway, with
weapons.  How did they get past the gate, in the first place.  Yeah...it is
great that we caught them....but they aren't supposed to get this far,
first.   :)

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail

Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine clear of
spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
> detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
> the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
> Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Oct 24 11:39:22 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:39:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2E0153@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I traced a Trojan Horse the other day - and it came from Comcast Cable. I
thought that was very interesting.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I actually, also, have Spybot.....which is doing a good job of getting rid
of stuff that made it to my hard drive.  I'm just trying to find out how it
made it to the hard drive....if my virus protection does recognize the code
as malicious.  It is supposed to be scanning everything that is flowing to
my computer.  I liken this to catching the terrorists on the runway, with
weapons.  How did they get past the gate, in the first place.  Yeah...it is
great that we caught them....but they aren't supposed to get this far,
first.   :)

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail

Keith:

I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine clear of
spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
Antivirus
> blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
for
> some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't it
> detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the net, in
> the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive (being as how
> Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
being
> downloaded.)
>
> Don't know what is happening here.
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
>
> > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
>
> It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
>
> I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> going on.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 12:03:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:03:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DD@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I've never gotten a virus at home.  My DSL provider does a good job.
It's my office where I'm having problems and no, we don't have a
firewall in spite of my loud protests.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble everyone
faces. I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received
a popup or anything.  In two years I would bet that Norton has caught
maybe 10 virus infected emails total for all 6 machines.

Now maybe I'm spoiled with my DSL provider and the filtering job he
does, but I think you all should start throwing fits with those
providing the services.  For example, my brother gets his DSL directly
from Verizon in Fort Wayne, IN and all he gets done is closing pop ups
(and he refuses to put a router on his PC for some reason).

I realize this doesn't help you all out much, but I had to say something
after reading all this.

BTW, I have never received an infected message from the list (as
indicated by the 10 infected messages in two years)

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine 
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both 
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE 
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing 
> > anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why 
> > wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing 
> > the net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly 
> > scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how

> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive

> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious 
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to 
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined 
> > > this list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
> > going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 12:04:14 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKKELNDJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEKKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Symantec was slated to included spyware detectors in their 2004 line-up. I
don't know if it made it or not because they are being sued by Gator over
the issue.

One cable company installs monitoring software (which is the positive term
for spyware). I read through their EULA and its looks like they left the
door open to use it as spyware if they so decide.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
> (Home)
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> "Mailicous spyware is not a virus..." is the reply that I have
> received from
> AV companies. And technically they are true, but I have seen Gator (a
> spyware) cause more grief on my brothers computer than any virus
> ever did to
> him.
>
> So since spyware is not a virus, AV software do not scan or detect them
> (although most of the later AV software packages are starting to include
> spyware detection) :)
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Keith
> Williamson
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I actually, also, have Spybot.....which is doing a good job of getting rid
> of stuff that made it to my hard drive.  I'm just trying to find
> out how it
> made it to the hard drive....if my virus protection does
> recognize the code
> as malicious.  It is supposed to be scanning everything that is flowing to
> my computer.  I liken this to catching the terrorists on the runway, with
> weapons.  How did they get past the gate, in the first place.
> Yeah...it is
> great that we caught them....but they aren't supposed to get this far,
> first.   :)
>
> Keith E. Williamson
> Ashland Equipment, Inc
> phone # (410) 273-1856
> fax #     (410) 273-1859
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my
> machine clear of
> spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE temp
> > folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why
> wasn't it
> > detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing
> the net, in
> > the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and Norton
> > antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how the code
> > managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
> (being as how
> > Norton appears to recognize it as malicious code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to count!
> > > and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> > going on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 12:04:16 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEKKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Yes, combining hardware and software firewalls will more thoroughly cover
your assets. You may use a spyware detector but they're only as good as
they're updates. A software firewall will prevent outgoing traffic as well
as incoming.

A software firewall is one way to catch trojan horses and spyware that isn't
known to the greater world yet. It is how I discovered the cable companies
monitoring software. It is also how I discovered that it doesn't do anything
for the end user. I wouldn't let it through for a week and it had no effect.
I removed it entirely and it had no effect.

The only downside to using a software firewall is the memory use and it
usually make startups a little slower.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.
>
> I guess I should ask this again though.
>
> I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally
> broke down and
> bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
> so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
> Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are
> you seeing
> pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
> . Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
> When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
> are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
>  You may have turned them off.
>  From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather
> than log viewer
> Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
> Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files
> have been turned off
> If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.
>
>
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >I don't have this file / directory.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> >I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> >10 since mid august
> >My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> >That is at least 1 ping
> >from somewhere every 15 secs.
> >You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
> >
> >
> >Todd Buttrey wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
> away
> >>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were
> coming from.
> >>
> >>Todd.
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> >>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> >>>
> >>>:)
> >>>
> >>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> >>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> >>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> >>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the
> only one in
> >>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >>>>
> >>>>Charlotte Foust
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>>-Francisco
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Marty Connelly
> >Victoria, B.C.
> >Canada
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 12:06:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:06:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

WinPatrol is freeware that watches stuff starting up on your machine and
asks you if stuff it doesn't recognize should be allowed.  Check out
http://winpatrol.com

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail


I use the stopper as well - one of the best pieces of software I ever
welcomed into my system.  What WinPatrol?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine 
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both 
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE 
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing 
> > anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why 
> > wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing 
> > the net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly 
> > scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how

> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive

> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious 
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to 
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined 
> > > this list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering 
> > going
>
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> >
> >
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Oct 24 12:12:39 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:12:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D8C@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hallo List :-)

in a db I use the start option of having a form open when the db is opened.

is it possible to change this using code?

tia

alun

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 12:12:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:12:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <0111772B-063E-11D8-96F4-000A9589191E@esb.ucp.pt>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

That may well be, but my network works fine for all the 2K boxes.  Just
added this in and I'm getting problems ONLY for the XP home box.  So were is
the problem?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paulo
Alexandre Ramos
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home


John,


I think that is bad network configuration.


Paulo

On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:

> I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, and have been
> setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a bunch of
> directories
> from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is All Win2K Pro.
>
> In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The transfer starts.  I
> can
> then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That transfer
> starts.  I
> can do this many times, and although each transfer slows down to share
> the
> hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along smoothly.
>
> With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole process locks up.
> I
> eventually get a "network connection lost".
>
> Isn't XP Home grand.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 24 12:13:30 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:13:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F79F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools | Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).

I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jim DeMarco


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 12:17:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:17:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Try spybot-search & destroy.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)


I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does
anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that
continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to
see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools |
Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).

I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jim DeMarco


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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 24 12:24:07 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:24:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEKKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKAEMADJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

It also shows how often Microsoft software (especially XP) calls home (as
well as other software). Same thing, block it for a couple of weeks, you
find out it really isnt needed. Hmmm, why doesn MS call home so much?

:)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail


Yes, combining hardware and software firewalls will more thoroughly cover
your assets. You may use a spyware detector but they're only as good as
they're updates. A software firewall will prevent outgoing traffic as well
as incoming.

A software firewall is one way to catch trojan horses and spyware that isn't
known to the greater world yet. It is how I discovered the cable companies
monitoring software. It is also how I discovered that it doesn't do anything
for the end user. I wouldn't let it through for a week and it had no effect.
I removed it entirely and it had no effect.

The only downside to using a software firewall is the memory use and it
usually make startups a little slower.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> Ohhhhh... sorry, I no longer use Zonealarm.
>
> I guess I should ask this again though.
>
> I stopped using Zonealarm about two years ago when I finally
> broke down and
> bought a router for my home office.  The router has a "firewall" in it and
> so I didn't see much sense (nor any pings any more).  Are you guys using
> Zonealarm on computers inside a router / firewall, and if so are
> you seeing
> pings from outside the hardware firewall getting through?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
>
>
> If running Win2000 or NT it is under c:\winnt directory
> . Log control settings not preserved on upgrade from 2.6
> When upgrading from ZoneAlarm 2.6 to ZoneAlarm 3.7, log control settings
> are returned to defaults.  Latest version is 3.7.211
>  You may have turned them off.
>  From main control panel click on Alerts and Logs then Main Tab rather
> than log viewer
> Expand to full screen other wise you may not  see advanced tab
> Click on advanced tab to see location path of logs or if the log files
> have been turned off
> If you turn them on you may get a quick 20 M taken up by these files.
>
>
>
>
> John Colby wrote:
>
> >I don't have this file / directory.
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:22 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >
> >
> >I did notice the people knocking at my door, has gone up by a factor of
> >10 since mid august
> >My Zone Alarm daily logs have gone from an average of 30K a day to 400K.
> >That is at least 1 ping
> >from somewhere every 15 secs.
> >You can see yours at C:\Windows\Internet Logs
> >
> >
> >Todd Buttrey wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Yes, I was getting probably 20 or so a day, but they seem to have gone
> away
> >>in the past few weeks.  Never did figure out where they were
> coming from.
> >>
> >>Todd.
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
> >>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:04 PM
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Re: [] Virus mail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may
> >>>be having the same problem, or offer a solution
> >>>
> >>>:)
> >>>
> >>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing
> >>>>emails?  I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update"
> >>>>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type.  I
> >>>>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the
> only one in
> >>>>the office that's getting them.  Am I the only sufferer?
> >>>>
> >>>>Charlotte Foust
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>>-Francisco
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Marty Connelly
> >Victoria, B.C.
> >Canada
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
> --
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 24 12:20:37 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:20:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7839@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Spybot Search And Destroy is pretty good for that too.

http://spybot.eon.net.au/

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jim DeMarco [SMTP:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent:	Friday, October 24, 2003 1:14 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	[AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
> 
> I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does anyone
> know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that continually opens
> when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to see what I could find
> but the only solution does not work (Tools | Internet Options | Programs
> Tab | Reset Web Settings...).
> 
> I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 12:25:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:25:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHIEOOEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEFGEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Reuben,
My ISP scans for viruses and deletes the email if it is just an automated
type that contains no useable information. I appreciated that.

However, then they started SPAM filtering, and many of my client's emails
were held back as SPAM (false positives). At the time I worked mostly with
government so I didn't get the connection at all. I still use the same ISP
but I moved my domain to another hosting service which gave me more control
over my company email. So now everything comes through and I filter it
myself.

The wierd thing is that I have never had a SPAM filter false postive for my
personal email account, which is still with the original ISP email system.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reuben
> Cummings
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble
> everyone faces.
> I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received
> a popup or
> anything.  In two years I would bet that Norton has caught maybe 10 virus
> infected emails total for all 6 machines.
>
> Now maybe I'm spoiled with my DSL provider and the filtering job he does,
> but I think you all should start throwing fits with those providing the
> services.  For example, my brother gets his DSL directly from Verizon in
> Fort Wayne, IN and all he gets done is closing pop ups (and he refuses to
> put a router on his PC for some reason).
>
> I realize this doesn't help you all out much, but I had to say something
> after reading all this.
>
> BTW, I have never received an infected message from the list (as indicated
> by the 10 infected messages in two years)
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > Keith:
> >
> > I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> > clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> > free.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> > Antivirus
> > > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing anything
> >
> > > in IE
> > for
> > > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why wasn't
> >
> > > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing the
> > > net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly scans...and
> >
> > > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how
> > > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
> > > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > > code....albeit, only after
> > being
> > > downloaded.)
> > >
> > > Don't know what is happening here.
> > >
> > > Keith E. Williamson
> > > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> > Carbonnell
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> > >
> > > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> > >
> > > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined this
> > > > list
> > >
> > > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> > >
> > > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering going
> >
> > > on.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> > >
> > >
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri Oct 24 12:42:55 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D8C@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <002701c39a56$43da97d0$6401a8c0@default>

Alun,

>From looking up GetOption in (not much) Help
you can get to this page from the link:
Set Options from Visual Basic

I can't get back to where I found this example,
but here it is ...

Sub SetStartupProperties()
Const DB_Text As Long = 10
Const DB_Boolean As Long = 1
    ChangeProperty "StartupForm", DB_Text, "Customers"
    ChangeProperty "StartupShowDBWindow", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "StartupShowStatusBar", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowBuiltinToolbars", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowFullMenus", DB_Boolean, True
    ChangeProperty "AllowBreakIntoCode", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowSpecialKeys", DB_Boolean, True
    ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", DB_Boolean, True
End Sub

Function ChangeProperty(strPropName As String, varPropType As Variant,
varPropValue As Variant) As Integer
    Dim dbs As Object, prp As Variant
    Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    On Error GoTo Change_Err
    dbs.Properties(strPropName) = varPropValue
    ChangeProperty = True

Change_Bye:
    Exit Function

Change_Err:
    If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then    ' Property not found.
        Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty(strPropName, _
            varPropType, varPropValue)
        dbs.Properties.Append prp
        Resume Next
    Else
        ' Unknown error.
        ChangeProperty = False
        Resume Change_Bye
    End If
End Function
Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Garraway, Alun" <Alun.Garraway at otto.de>
To: "Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:12 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code


> hallo List :-)
>
> in a db I use the start option of having a form open when the db is
opened.
>
> is it possible to change this using code?
>
> tia
>
> alun
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 12:44:43 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:44:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E0@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

That sample was in the 97 help, I believe.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael R Mattys [mailto:michael.mattys at adelphia.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code


Alun,

>From looking up GetOption in (not much) Help
you can get to this page from the link:
Set Options from Visual Basic

I can't get back to where I found this example,
but here it is ...

Sub SetStartupProperties()
Const DB_Text As Long = 10
Const DB_Boolean As Long = 1
    ChangeProperty "StartupForm", DB_Text, "Customers"
    ChangeProperty "StartupShowDBWindow", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "StartupShowStatusBar", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowBuiltinToolbars", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowFullMenus", DB_Boolean, True
    ChangeProperty "AllowBreakIntoCode", DB_Boolean, False
    ChangeProperty "AllowSpecialKeys", DB_Boolean, True
    ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", DB_Boolean, True
End Sub

Function ChangeProperty(strPropName As String, varPropType As Variant,
varPropValue As Variant) As Integer
    Dim dbs As Object, prp As Variant
    Const conPropNotFoundError = 3270

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    On Error GoTo Change_Err
    dbs.Properties(strPropName) = varPropValue
    ChangeProperty = True

Change_Bye:
    Exit Function

Change_Err:
    If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then    ' Property not found.
        Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty(strPropName, _
            varPropType, varPropValue)
        dbs.Properties.Append prp
        Resume Next
    Else
        ' Unknown error.
        ChangeProperty = False
        Resume Change_Bye
    End If
End Function
Michael R. Mattys
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From: "Garraway, Alun" <Alun.Garraway at otto.de>
To: "Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:12 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Setting Start Form using code


> hallo List :-)
>
> in a db I use the start option of having a form open when the db is
opened.
>
> is it possible to change this using code?
>
> tia
>
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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri Oct 24 12:58:16 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:58:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-21733892@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>

John,

Doing what you say is not a problem on XP Pro machines. 
I've done it several times.

It does sound like another (seemingly) pointless 
limitation built into a home version of a product by M$ to 
me.

FWIW.

Ron


On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:12:59 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>That may well be, but my network works fine for all the 
>2K boxes.  Just
>added this in and I'm getting problems ONLY for the XP 
>home box.  So were is
>the problem?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
>Paulo
>Alexandre Ramos
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
>
>
>John,
>
>
>I think that is bad network configuration.
>
>
>Paulo
>
>On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:
>
>> I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, 
>>and have been
>> setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a 
>>bunch of
>> directories
>> from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is 
>>All Win2K Pro.
>>
>> In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The 
>>transfer starts.  I
>> can
>> then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That 
>>transfer
>> starts.  I
>> can do this many times, and although each transfer slows 
>>down to share
>> the
>> hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along 
>>smoothly.
>>
>> With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole 
>>process locks up.
>> I
>> eventually get a "network connection lost".
>>
>> Isn't XP Home grand.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 24 12:59:06 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:59:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEFHEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Ditto, even if it doesn't detect it as a problem you can go into the
advanced mode and use the tools to find it. Check out the ActiveX and BHOs.
It's probably listed there. You can toggle the BHOs on and off. The ActiveXs
you'll want to remove.

HTH
jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> Try spybot-search & destroy.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does
> anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that
> continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to
> see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools |
> Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).
>
> I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 13:08:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:08:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <web-21733892@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>It does sound like another (seemingly) pointless limitation built into a
home version of a product by M$ to me.

'deed it do.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home


John,

Doing what you say is not a problem on XP Pro machines.
I've done it several times.

It does sound like another (seemingly) pointless
limitation built into a home version of a product by M$ to
me.

FWIW.

Ron


On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:12:59 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>That may well be, but my network works fine for all the
>2K boxes.  Just
>added this in and I'm getting problems ONLY for the XP
>home box.  So were is
>the problem?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>Paulo
>Alexandre Ramos
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
>
>
>John,
>
>
>I think that is bad network configuration.
>
>
>Paulo
>
>On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:
>
>> I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it,
>>and have been
>> setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a
>>bunch of
>> directories
>> from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is
>>All Win2K Pro.
>>
>> In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The
>>transfer starts.  I
>> can
>> then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That
>>transfer
>> starts.  I
>> can do this many times, and although each transfer slows
>>down to share
>> the
>> hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along
>>smoothly.
>>
>> With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole
>>process locks up.
>> I
>> eventually get a "network connection lost".
>>
>> Isn't XP Home grand.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
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From dli at NVTC.State.Va.Us  Fri Oct 24 13:23:28 2003
From: dli at NVTC.State.Va.Us (Li, Dahuan)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:23:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM
Message-ID: <916533288F6BD511A12000B0D020B0E4F9E9F1@NVTC02>

I get "Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM" in VB6 application. THe
application does convert Fox Pro 2.6 to Access Access2000.  I got error 3170
Could not find installable ISAM at line:
Set dbs = OpenDatabase(strDBPath, False, False, "FoxPro 2.6;")

Thanks for any help!


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 13:28:38 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:28:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEBBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F996F56.3070500@shaw.ca>

XP Pro would resolve the problem. Some networking functions are disabled 
in XP Home
XP Home can't join domains and has no idea what to do with them. Don't 
use Domains, just Workgroups.
One place to look for guides
http://duxcw.com/

John Colby wrote:

>That may well be, but my network works fine for all the 2K boxes.  Just
>added this in and I'm getting problems ONLY for the XP home box.  So were is
>the problem?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paulo
>Alexandre Ramos
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
>
>
>John,
>
>
>I think that is bad network configuration.
>
>
>Paulo
>
>On Oct 24, 2003, at 4:39 PM, John Colby wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I ordered a Dell for my sister-in-law with WinXP on it, and have been
>>setting it up for her.  In the process I have to copy a bunch of
>>directories
>>from one computer on my network to that box.  My net is All Win2K Pro.
>>
>>In Win2K pro I can drag and drop a directory.  The transfer starts.  I
>>can
>>then select and drag and drop the next directory.  That transfer
>>starts.  I
>>can do this many times, and although each transfer slows down to share
>>the
>>hard disk / network bandwidth, things just proceed along smoothly.
>>
>>With WinXP Home, when I start the second, the whole process locks up.
>>I
>>eventually get a "network connection lost".
>>
>>Isn't XP Home grand.
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Fri Oct 24 14:04:23 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:04:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More -
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D825FC@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

Thanks John and Gumaro. Used the method suggested and got it to work OK in
97.
How would anyone "find" this if it weren't for this list? I searched the web
several times  and got zilch!.
Thanks.
jack

 

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I think you MUST use INSERT, not IMPORT.

INSERT class module, INSERT file.  IF I'm not mistaken it is the insert
file
that is the key.

BTW, it was those same two modules by dev and terry that got me looking at
how they did that.  I could use them from their lib, but if I imported them
into my lib I couldn't see them outside the lib.  HOW'D THEY DO THAT?  It
took about half a day to find the answer (back in 2000 or thereabouts).

John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
ggonzalez at cccis.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro





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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Drawbridge, Jack: #CIO - BPI
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 14:54:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:54:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More -
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Glad to help.

John W. Colby
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Thanks John and Gumaro. Used the method suggested and got it to work OK in
97.
How would anyone "find" this if it weren't for this list? I searched the web
several times  and got zilch!.
Thanks.
jack



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 24 14:56:07 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:56:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I've recently gone through trying to connect to FP data using VB 6 and had to download the oledb drivers to it using ADO.  I think I still have the install for them.  Drop me a line off line if you want to try them.

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Li, Dahuan [mailto:dli at NVTC.State.Va.Us]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM


I get "Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM" in VB6 application. THe
application does convert Fox Pro 2.6 to Access Access2000.  I got error 3170
Could not find installable ISAM at line:
Set dbs = OpenDatabase(strDBPath, False, False, "FoxPro 2.6;")

Thanks for any help!

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From ggonzalez at cccis.com  Fri Oct 24 15:41:59 2003
From: ggonzalez at cccis.com (ggonzalez at cccis.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:41:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More -
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your welcome, this list has helped me out plenty of times.

Gumaro


                                                                                                                                               
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Thanks John and Gumaro. Used the method suggested and got it to work OK in
97.
How would anyone "find" this if it weren't for this list? I searched the
web
several times  and got zilch!.
Thanks.
jack



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I think you MUST use INSERT, not IMPORT.

INSERT class module, INSERT file.  IF I'm not mistaken it is the insert
file
that is the key.

BTW, it was those same two modules by dev and terry that got me looking at
how they did that.  I could use them from their lib, but if I imported them
into my lib I couldn't see them outside the lib.  HOW'D THEY DO THAT?  It
took about half a day to find the answer (back in 2000 or thereabouts).

John W. Colby
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I also work with A2k day in and day out and I have gotten this method to
work.  I did for a couple of classes developed by Dev Ashish and Terry
Kreft (HTTP and FTP). I placed these classes in an mde file that several of
my applications reference.  I could send it to you if you are interested. I
will look at my instructions I may be missing a step.

Thanks, Gumaro





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>Note: The method noted above will NOT work in Access 2000. In fact if you
try the method above, when the file is imported, Access 2000 resets the
VB_Exposed property to false.

I work in Access 2k day in and out and it absolutely does work in A2K.  I
just tried it again to make sure.  Exported, changed, deleted the original
class, imported, cleaned up, saved, exported again.  The properties were
still True.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97 -More







Try the Following:
The following is an undocumented way to expose your Access 97 class to all
your projects natively from your library database:
1.  Select your class in the development db.
2.  From the file menu select "Export", and export the class as a text
file.
(Don't choose the general "Save As".)
3.  Open the class module in a text editor, and you will find four
properties
at the top of the code, one of which is VB_EXPOSED=False. Change this
setting to true.
also change VB_Creatable =  to True
4.  Delete the class from the original db.
5.  Open a new class module (Insert menu.)
6.  Choose import file from the insert menu and then select the text file
for
your class, and save.

Voila! You now have a public class. Place the library db in the same folder
as any database. Add a reference it and then call your class natively as if
it were
included in the current database. Note: The method noted above will NOT
work in Access 2000. In fact if you try the method above, when the file is
imported, Access 2000 resets the VB_Exposed property to false. The quick
work around it to import your class with the VB_Exposed flag set to true in
Access 97, (creating a public class) and then, import that class into
Access 2000. This will preserve the VB_Exposed flag setting. Note: If you
want to start your new class as a public class, then simply use notepad to
create a text file which has VB_Exposed=True as its only line. When you
start your class, then import this file before you add code. if the above
does not work, save the db with the class to be called in the sam directory
as the application calling it.

Below is an example:
**************************************
Attribute VB_Name = CLASS NAME
Attribute VB_Creatable = True  !!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = False
Attribute VB_Exposed = True  !!!!!!!!CHANGE THIS TO TRUE!!!!!!!
Attribute VB_Description = "CDO MAILING INFO"
 when ready to reimport the modified text file into the db it needs to
imported into a blank class module

Hope this helps



Further to note below-

I did move 2 class modules to  my library.mda type library.
When using another database, I did reset the references to the library.mda
When I look in the object browser, the class modules aren't there.

Any help /advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sharing Class Modules in Acc 97


Is there a way to store Class Modules in a "Library" database or some
mechanism such that you can see the Class Modules from any database? I'm
using Acc97.

jack

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 15:56:48 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:56:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM
References: <916533288F6BD511A12000B0D020B0E4F9E9F1@NVTC02>
Message-ID: <3F999210.2090102@shaw.ca>

There were changes to some of the Foxpro Isam drivers in Jet SP-4 to 
SP-6. I cant find the SP file manifests on the MS site they keep moving 
them.
So an upgrade to Jet SP-8 might fix or maybe ( a big maybe -- the Visual 
FoxPro V8 oledb provider might work rather than the old ODBC driver). I 
don't know how backward compatible it is. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/

Jet SP 8.0
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829558
Look at version properties of dll to see what service pack you have

Msjet40.dll Version Jet 4.0 Service Pack Level
4.0.2927.4 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
4.0.3714.7 Service Pack 4 (SP4)
4.0.4431.1 or 4.0.4431.3 Service Pack 5 (SP5)
4.0.6218.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6)
4.0.6807.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6) shipped only with Windows Server 2003
4.0.7328.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7)
4.0.8015.0 Service Pack 8 (SP8)

Li, Dahuan wrote:

>I get "Error 3170 Could not find installable ISAM" in VB6 application. THe
>application does convert Fox Pro 2.6 to Access Access2000.  I got error 3170
>Could not find installable ISAM at line:
>Set dbs = OpenDatabase(strDBPath, False, False, "FoxPro 2.6;")
>
>Thanks for any help!
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 16:04:15 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:04:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3F9993CF.3030603@shaw.ca>

Went looking for version SP 7.0 of Jet and got redirected.to 8.0

Information about Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829558

How To: Obtain the Latest Service Pack for the Microsoft Jet 4.0 
Database Engine
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;239114#11

To find what Jet Service Pack you are running
On the Start menu, click Search.
In the Search Results pane, click All files and folders under Search 
Companion.
In the All or part of the file name box, type msjet40.dll, and then 
click Search.
In the list of files, right-click the Msjet40.dll file that is located 
in the Windows\System32 (or Windows\System) folder, and then click 
Properties.
Click the Version tab, and then use the following table to determine the 
current Jet 4.0 service pack level:
Msjet40.dll Version Jet 4.0 Service Pack Level
4.0.2927.4 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
4.0.3714.7 Service Pack 4 (SP4)
4.0.4431.1 or 4.0.4431.3 Service Pack 5 (SP5)
4.0.6218.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6)
4.0.6807.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6) shipped only with Windows Server 2003
4.0.7328.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7)
4.0.8015.0 Service Pack 8 (SP8)

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 24 16:08:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:08:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273D8@main2.marlow.com>

Even easier.  Just dump it into a table, and sort the table any way you
please!  I have used it.  I wrote some code to 'create' an Access Form in
HTML version.  To make it complete, it had to create VB code to interact
with it, which required the use of the recordsource for each control.  I had
the recordsource dump into a table, for easier referencing.

Drew

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:06 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


LOL, yep too easy.  I was hoping for someone who actually used it.  I need
it sorted so I can find things in the listing.  I can whip out what you
wrote in about 5 minutes.  Sorting is another matter.  I actually have a
sort I wrote one time that sorts stuff going into a collection.  Guess I
need to dig it out.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:14 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


That's easy.

Dim ctrl
dim strTemp
strTemp="SELECT "
For each ctrl in Me.Controls
	if isnull(ctrl.ControlSource)=False and ctrl.ControlSource<>"" then
		strTemp=strTemp & ctrl.ControlSource & ", "
	end if
Next
strTemp=Left(strTemp,Len(strTemp)-2)

Now, if you have unbound controls, that code might act up a bit, so you
would need to nest the If then statement in another one that checks the
types of controls (either ignore the controls that can't be bound, or
specify those that can).

Drew

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:49 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] list every field bound to a control


I have a form that the user wanted hundreds of fields from half dozen tables
displayed on tabs.  I just used SELECT * during design because I didn't know
what they would want and what they wouldn't.  Now it is done and it's time
to clean up, not pull more than I absolutely need etc.

One tabbed form.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:15 PM
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Clarify.  Is this for a particular report or form, or for every control on
everything in an entire database?

Drew

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I need a utility to list every field bound to a control.  Has anyone ever
written such a thing?

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 16:09:38 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:09:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009701c39a73$227a68f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Thanks Charlotte.  I downloaded it to machine #2 and it looks good.

BTW, here's a link I think I got from this list originally but it is SO
useful:

http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

tells you what each of the tasks are in your task manager list and what you
should do about it, if anything.

Rocky

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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> WinPatrol is freeware that watches stuff starting up on your machine and
> asks you if stuff it doesn't recognize should be allowed.  Check out
> http://winpatrol.com
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I use the stopper as well - one of the best pieces of software I ever
> welcomed into my system.  What WinPatrol?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > Keith:
> >
> > I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> > clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> > free.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> >
> > > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> > Antivirus
> > > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing
> > > anything
> >
> > > in IE
> > for
> > > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why
> > > wasn't
> >
> > > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing
> > > the net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly
> > > scans...and
> >
> > > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how
>
> > > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive
>
> > > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > > code....albeit, only after
> > being
> > > downloaded.)
> > >
> > > Don't know what is happening here.
> > >
> > > Keith E. Williamson
> > > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> > Carbonnell
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> > >
> > > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> > >
> > > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined
> > > > this list
> > >
> > > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> > >
> > > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> > > going
> >
> > > on.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
> > >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 17:36:34 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:36:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECAFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Oct 24 17:48:08 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:48:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
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What a great MS scheme.  MS receives money from the OEM's for bundeling 
MS XP Home, user's who want more money buy HOME w/ their laptops / 
desktops and then run out and BUY PRO....

that MS money machine :)

John Colby wrote:

> Isn't XP Home grand.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 24 17:47:09 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:47:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273D9@main2.marlow.com>

I suggest a ball peen hammer.  <grin>  There is a thing called a manual
though...<evilgrin>

Drew

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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Fri Oct 24 17:59:44 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct 24 18:17:14 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:17:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Create link between unbound mainform and subform
In-Reply-To: <20031024110924.2470.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F9A3F9A.3915.39067D@localhost>

On 24 Oct 2003 at 4:09, Sad Der wrote:

> Hi group,
> 
> I'm using A2K. I've got an unbound form (fDetailMI).
> On this form I've got a subform (fComments). 
> 
> The subform is bound to the table tblComments
> The mainform is not bound.
> 
> How can I link the subform to display the data for the
> current record at the main form?
> 

Set the "Link Master Fields"  property of the subform to the name of 
the control which holds the relevant key data.




 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Oct 24 17:48:35 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:48:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Good old WinXP Home
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <web-21733892@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <3F9A38E3.14391.1EC9E1@localhost>

On 24 Oct 2003 at 14:08, John Colby wrote:

> >It does sound like another (seemingly) pointless limitation built into a
> home version of a product by M$ to me.
> 
> 'deed it do.
> 

XP Home allows a limited number of "connections". Maybe it is seeing 
each task as a separate connection.



 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 24 18:18:10 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:18:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F997AF2.6831.431752@localhost>

On 24 Oct 2003 at 8:40, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I didn't think it was the list since not everyone is affected.  It's
> just that my office email address isn't exactly everywhere on the net
> and I don't get much email besides list posts except for spam and
> internal stuff.

That comment was directed more at Gus, since he said that the amount 
he has received has increased since he joined the list.

I just wanted to reassure him that it wasn't us.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly 
by. - Douglas Adams



From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Oct 24 18:27:46 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:27:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
In-Reply-To: <20031024225944.7BF037270@sitemail.everyone.net>
References: <20031024225944.7BF037270@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <3F99B572.4080104@verizon.net>

Hello,
there have been a few threads already spinning around that really don't 
have anything to do w/ Access but are welcomed threads due to 
information on computers or the like.  I'd like to remind everyone that 
we do have a "TECH" list which is available at www.databaseadvisors.com 
if you are a member youc can easily post by sending mail to 
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com

This really will help us continue some traffic to this list where these 
topics are very much ON TOPIC rather than OT.


Thanks for following along,


Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> JC, I think when I installed mine, I had to download the latest firmware.
> 
> Kathryn Bassett, writing from the genealogy library in Salt Lake
> 
> 
> --- "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
> on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
> grateful.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

-- 
-Francisco



From artful at rogers.com  Fri Oct 24 21:22:32 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:22:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] BE Updater questions
Message-ID: <01ad01c39a9e$da903520$6501a8c0@rock>

I have never downloaded this and never used it because only now in the
last several years have I been concerned with MDBs. But now I'm
performing surgery on an MDB and the surgery is radical. I am adding
columns, replacing char PKs with autonum PKs, normalizing subtables into
actual tables and so on.

I can't believe that BE Updater can handle the radical surgeries I am
performing. Someone on the project please tell me I'm wrong -- it could
save me writing many lines of code.

Arthur

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 10/9/2003
 



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 24 18:31:24 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:31:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE Updater questions
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c39a9e$da903520$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <3F997E0C.7490.4F3425@localhost>

On 24 Oct 2003 at 19:22, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I have never downloaded this and never used it because only now in the
> last several years have I been concerned with MDBs. But now I'm
> performing surgery on an MDB and the surgery is radical. I am adding
> columns, replacing char PKs with autonum PKs, normalizing subtables
> into actual tables and so on.
> 
> I can't believe that BE Updater can handle the radical surgeries I am
> performing. Someone on the project please tell me I'm wrong -- it
> could save me writing many lines of code.

I CAN do just about anything you need it to.

Add/Delete/Modify tables/fields

It can run SQL statements.

It slices, it dices.

What do you need it to do?

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That the easiest way for me to grow as a person is to surround myself 
with people smarter than I am.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 18:37:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:37:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273D9@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECDFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I downloaded the manual, the latest drivers, everything.  I think I have
installed / uninstalled it so many times that something is totally hosed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I suggest a ball peen hammer.  <grin>  There is a thing called a manual
though...<evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 19:21:33 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:21:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
References: <3F997AF2.6831.431752@localhost>
Message-ID: <015401c39a8d$f2097c40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Since it's OT Friday - this is like semi OT:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/fri/opinion/news_mz1ed24botto.html

>From the article:

By a resounding 97-to-0 vote, lawmakers approved legislation that aims to
discourage spam, those unwanted commercial e-mails pitching prescription
drugs, cheap loans, herbal remedies and pornography, among other dubious
products and services.

Sponsored by Sens. Conrad Burns, R-Mont., and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., the measure
would outlaw some of the more odious practices by spammers - like disguising
their identity by using a false return address or misrepresenting their
intention by using a deceptive subject line.



End quote.



Of course they can't stop it but suppose they could stop 50% or 20%?  It's a
start.  I think, like the telemarketers, spammers have overplayed their
hand.  Their days are numbered.  Just my opinion.



Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


> On 24 Oct 2003 at 8:40, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
> > I didn't think it was the list since not everyone is affected.  It's
> > just that my office email address isn't exactly everywhere on the net
> > and I don't get much email besides list posts except for spam and
> > internal stuff.
>
> That comment was directed more at Gus, since he said that the amount
> he has received has increased since he joined the list.
>
> I just wanted to reassure him that it wasn't us.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly
> by. - Douglas Adams
>
>
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>


From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Fri Oct 24 19:21:50 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:21:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHMEOLEOAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <005501c39a8d$fc0925b0$6401a8c0@user>

Very clever. I like it
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reuben Cummings 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


  Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing is to
  basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound fields
  on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.

  If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are not in
  the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).

  The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
  clicks an add button.  You validate the data, write the data to the table
  and requery the subform.  And if that record needs to be at the top then
  just set the sort order accordingly.

  Reuben Cummings
  GFC, LLC
  phone: 812.523.1017
  email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
  > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  >
  >
  > Sander
  > I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The answer to
  > your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
  > command button
  > in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there put:
  >
  > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  >
  > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user doesn't have
  > to scroll down.
  >
  > There is another technique which may work but depends on your data to an
  > extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
  > created field,
  > and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie newest
  > at the top), then you can do the following:
  >
  > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  > me!DateField=Now()
  > me.requery
  >
  > This will add the new record with the latest date then the
  > requery will sort
  > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
  >
  > --
  > Andy Lacey
  > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > --------- Original Message --------
  > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
  >
  >
  > Hi group,
  >
  > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
  > it is possible to add a record. However I first have
  > to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
  >
  > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
  > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
  >
  > So you see an empty line and below it are all
  > detailrecords.
  >
  > Hope this makes sence.
  >
  > TIA
  >
  > SD
  >
  > __________________________________
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 19:42:12 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:42:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Fw: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action
	t	aken.
Message-ID: <016201c39a90$d4b00760$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

What's up with this?  Is it because my email contained the word pornography?
Or Senator?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "System Attendant" <VAL4-SA at HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t
aken.


> Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.
>
> Place = Access Developers discussion and problem solving; ; ; Access
> Developers discussion and problem solving
> Sender = Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Subject = Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> Delivery Time = October 24, 2003 (Friday) 17:27:22
> Policy = Inappropriate language
> Action on this mail = Quarantine message
>
> Warning message from administrator:
> Sender, Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail.
>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 24 19:42:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:42:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It's the only way to get the "new record" at the top of a continuous
form, and it has the advantage of allowing for an "undo" easily.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


Very clever. I like it
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reuben Cummings 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


  Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing
is to
  basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound
fields
  on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.

  If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are
not in
  the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).

  The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
  clicks an add button.  You validate the data, write the data to the
table
  and requery the subform.  And if that record needs to be at the top
then
  just set the sort order accordingly.

  Reuben Cummings
  GFC, LLC
  phone: 812.523.1017
  email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
  > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  >
  >
  > Sander
  > I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The
answer to
  > your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
  > command button
  > in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there
put:
  >
  > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  >
  > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user
doesn't have
  > to scroll down.
  >
  > There is another technique which may work but depends on your data
to an
  > extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
  > created field,
  > and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie
newest
  > at the top), then you can do the following:
  >
  > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  > me!DateField=Now()
  > me.requery
  >
  > This will add the new record with the latest date then the
  > requery will sort
  > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
  >
  > --
  > Andy Lacey
  > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > --------- Original Message --------
  > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
  >
  >
  > Hi group,
  >
  > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
  > it is possible to add a record. However I first have
  > to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
  >
  > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
  > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
  >
  > So you see an empty line and below it are all
  > detailrecords.
  >
  > Hope this makes sence.
  >
  > TIA
  >
  > SD
  >
  > __________________________________
  > Do you Yahoo!?
  > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
  > http://shopping.yahoo.com
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  >
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  >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 24 20:38:09 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:38:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273DD@main2.marlow.com>

Well what's happening with it.  Is installing, but then not working?  The
issue may lie in the network settings, not the card.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I downloaded the manual, the latest drivers, everything.  I think I have
installed / uninstalled it so many times that something is totally hosed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I suggest a ball peen hammer.  <grin>  There is a thing called a manual
though...<evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 22:22:43 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:22:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus mail
In-Reply-To:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123DD@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEACCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

I have been listening to these discussions for a while and in my humble
opinion, in these times, if you do not have a firewall router, you are
simple asking for disaster. It like drinking and driving; eventually you
will get caught or have an accident or both. period.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I've never gotten a virus at home.  My DSL provider does a good job.
It's my office where I'm having problems and no, we don't have a
firewall in spite of my loud protests.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail


I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble everyone
faces. I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received
a popup or anything.  In two years I would bet that Norton has caught
maybe 10 virus infected emails total for all 6 machines.

Now maybe I'm spoiled with my DSL provider and the filtering job he
does, but I think you all should start throwing fits with those
providing the services.  For example, my brother gets his DSL directly
from Verizon in Fort Wayne, IN and all he gets done is closing pop ups
(and he refuses to put a router on his PC for some reason).

I realize this doesn't help you all out much, but I had to say something
after reading all this.

BTW, I have never received an infected message from the list (as
indicated by the 10 infected messages in two years)

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> I use them as well, along with popup stopper and WinPatrol.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> Keith:
>
> I have used both Adaware and Spybot successfully to keep my machine
> clear of spyware and other nasties.  You might give them a try.  Both
> free.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Williamson" <kwilliam at ashlandnet.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus mail
>
>
> > I seem to be getting quite a few at home, where suddenly my Norton
> Antivirus
> > blares at me that a virus (or malicious code) was detected in my IE
> > temp folder.  The odd thing is that I may not have been doing
> > anything
>
> > in IE
> for
> > some time, prior to that.  So....why is it suddenly found?  Why
> > wasn't
>
> > it detected when it was downloaded?  Or....is my computer surfing
> > the net, in the background, when I'm not looking?  I do weekly
> > scans...and
>
> > Norton antivirus AND firewall are on my machine.  I am perplexed how

> > the code managed to get past these, to even make it to my hard drive

> > (being as how Norton appears to recognize it as malicious
> > code....albeit, only after
> being
> > downloaded.)
> >
> > Don't know what is happening here.
> >
> > Keith E. Williamson
> > Ashland Equipment, Inc
> > phone # (410) 273-1856
> > fax #     (410) 273-1859
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:00 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus mail
> >
> > On 23 Oct 2003 at 19:21, gus withington wrote:
> >
> > > you are not alone!!  even as a lurker I am getting too many to
> > > count! and it seems to have increased in amount since I joined
> > > this list
> >
> > It's not coming from the list. I can promise you that.
> >
> > I haven't been getting any at all and I don't have any filtering
> > going
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 23:03:32 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:03:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <019201c39aac$f50a4810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

How about two subforms - one on the top of the form where you only enter new
records, one on the bottom with all the current records and no additions
allowed.  In the After Update event of the top subform, requery the bottom
subform.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


> It's the only way to get the "new record" at the top of a continuous
> form, and it has the advantage of allowing for an "undo" easily.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
> Very clever. I like it
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Reuben Cummings
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>
>
>   Something I have done on several occasions to handle this very thing
> is to
>   basically ignore the subform as the solution, but rather put unbound
> fields
>   on the main form directly above the fields of the subform.
>
>   If you do not have the subform sunken you can't hardly tell they are
> not in
>   the subform (I usually leave mine sunken though).
>
>   The user inputs the new data into the unbound fields of the main form,
>   clicks an add button.  You validate the data, write the data to the
> table
>   and requery the subform.  And if that record needs to be at the top
> then
>   just set the sort order accordingly.
>
>   Reuben Cummings
>   GFC, LLC
>   phone: 812.523.1017
>   email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>   > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>   > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
>   > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>   >
>   >
>   > Sander
>   > I know what you mean. My users often don't like this either. The
> answer to
>   > your question is no (I think) but a workaround is to place a
>   > command button
>   > in the header called "Add New Record" or whatever and behind there
> put:
>   >
>   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
>   >
>   > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at least the user
> doesn't have
>   > to scroll down.
>   >
>   > There is another technique which may work but depends on your data
> to an
>   > extent. If, say, the data your subform is bound to has a date
>   > created field,
>   > and if your user is happy to see the data in desc order of date (ie
> newest
>   > at the top), then you can do the following:
>   >
>   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
>   > me!DateField=Now()
>   > me.requery
>   >
>   > This will add the new record with the latest date then the
>   > requery will sort
>   > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can sometimes be effective.
>   >
>   > --
>   > Andy Lacey
>   > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > --------- Original Message --------
>   > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>   > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>   > To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>   > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
>   > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi group,
>   >
>   > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the records
>   > it is possible to add a record. However I first have
>   > to tab through all records (or use the scrollbar).
>   >
>   > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert a new
>   > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
>   >
>   > So you see an empty line and below it are all
>   > detailrecords.
>   >
>   > Hope this makes sence.
>   >
>   > TIA
>   >
>   > SD
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Oct 25 02:24:05 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:24:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71C5@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I had an issue with an SMC card that sounds like your issue.
This was however with my PDA an not my notebook.

Apparantly the SMC card was 8-bit bus and 8 bit is no longer supported
in my new PDA.
I searched several days for this because all drivers installed properly
it recognised the card everything seemed to work, but I could not get
any connection.
I too a long search and my new PDA now only suppors 16-bit PC cards....

Maybe you should check on that...

Erwin



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Drew Wutka
Verzonden: zaterdag 25 oktober 2003 3:38
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Well what's happening with it.  Is installing, but then not working?
The issue may lie in the network settings, not the card.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I downloaded the manual, the latest drivers, everything.  I think I have
installed / uninstalled it so many times that something is totally
hosed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


I suggest a ball peen hammer.  <grin>  There is a thing called a manual
though...<evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to
install on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be
eternally grateful.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 25 04:34:58 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:34:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Get path from full file name
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7820@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7820@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <764402931.20031025113458@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

Sorry, I missed your point. You are right, of course \\fs1\sys\ is the
highest possible level for a file.

By second thought I think one should distinguish between (1) obtaining
the path from a full filename ("GetPath") and (2) validating this path
("ValidatePath").
Validating is not needed if you somehow know the file exists or, say,
the user has used the GUI to browse to a folder. Thus "GetPath" can be
kept as a very simple function.
"ValidatePath", when needed, can follow two routes: one if the path is
supposed to exist and another if you just wish to validate if your
string could equal to a possible path; this latter is the tough part
checking drive letters, colons in the wrong place, double slashes,
invalid characters etc.

So, to simplify our task, we have decided not to build the path if it
is not found but to let the user browse to the folder; this eliminates
the need for "ValidatePath" and prevents many possible errors. Now we
can go with an "IsDir" which later checks if the path (folder) still
exists when the user actually needs it.

No, I didn't play with InstrR or similar.

/gustav


> Sigh... ;-(

> <pedant mode>

> \\fs1\sys\database\client1\somedb.mdb is a complete file "specification"
> which is composed of the storage device (in this case a file server called
> \\fs1), the *path* to the file and the file name.

> </pedant mode>

> That's what I meant by "Strictly speaking". I didn't write the definitions,
> so please don't shoot the messenger. :-)

> Of course I'm aware that using a fully qualified UNC file spec is accepted
> by Access, I do it all the time myself. I just hate having to deal with
> differently mapped drive letters of different user's systems.

> I too would recommend an absolute file specification be used for most
> purposes. With today's multi-tasking operating systems and multi threaded
> applications the "current" folder can never be guaranteed to stay put.

> InstrR() ???

> Lambert


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Oct 25 08:33:20 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:33:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, October 31
Message-ID: <002e01c39afc$8e5e80e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks like some kind of
scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of the link with
asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link something bad
will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.

I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the address to check
my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?

 Rocky

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Kennedy" <owner-nolist-x at TOP--SITES.NET>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:15 AM
> Subject: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, October 31
>
>
> > Could you please be so kind as to check your floralsoft.com listing, if
> you don't mind, at:
> > http://top--sites.net/*********************************
> >
> > We can only list you if you click the update button by Friday (even if
> your listing is fine).
> >
> > Your updated listing will also appear to the left of Yahoo, MSN, Google,
> Go, AOL, Netscape, Lycos, AltaVista, and Excite searches by AutoSearch
users
> in Internet Explorer's Search window.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Kennedy
> >
> > P.S. Please also review our translations of your website into seven
> languages. And don't miss our reports on your website's popularity and
your
> server's uptime.
> >
> > You can unsubscribe at:
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct 25 08:46:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:46:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
	October 31
In-Reply-To: <002e01c39afc$8e5e80e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your site with the
search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
October 31


Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks like some kind of
scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of the link with
asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link something bad
will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.

I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the address to check
my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?

 Rocky

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Kennedy" <owner-nolist-x at TOP--SITES.NET>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:15 AM
> Subject: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, October 31
>
>
> > Could you please be so kind as to check your floralsoft.com listing, if
> you don't mind, at:
> > http://top--sites.net/*********************************
> >
> > We can only list you if you click the update button by Friday (even if
> your listing is fine).
> >
> > Your updated listing will also appear to the left of Yahoo, MSN, Google,
> Go, AOL, Netscape, Lycos, AltaVista, and Excite searches by AutoSearch
users
> in Internet Explorer's Search window.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Kennedy
> >
> > P.S. Please also review our translations of your website into seven
> languages. And don't miss our reports on your website's popularity and
your
> server's uptime.
> >
> > You can unsubscribe at:
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From bobbedell15 at msn.com  Sat Oct 25 08:33:12 2003
From: bobbedell15 at msn.com (Bob Bedell)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:33:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] TextTransfer
Message-ID: <000001c39afc$89a0d1c0$6256fea9@ELIOT>

Hi folks,
 
I just have a general question about all the available methods for
transferring text using Access. I guess TransferText, the
FileSystemObject, and the basic I/O methods (like Print#), are all valid
options for this sort of thing, plus probably a few others I'm unaware
of. My questions are, is there any reason to prefer one over the other,
or is each best suited for a specific task, and  what are the major
differences, and  what to people most frequently use, etc? I'm just
talking about getting basic delimited text files (or maybe XML files)
into and out of Access. Also, does the Import/Export wizard just create
plain old vanilla schema.ini files for file specifications, and if so is
there anyway to access those files from the file system, to modify them
manually or move them, i.e., where are they stored, etc.?
 
Thanks for any thoughts,
 
Bob

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 25 09:33:45 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:33:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <web-21373056@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <web-21373056@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <15722330068.20031025163345@cactus.dk>

Hi all

If you are bored to death by the discussion on datatypes why not use a
typeless (and completely free public domain) engine!

  http://www.sqlite.org/

  http://www.sqlite.org/datatypes.html

  http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=SqliteWrappers

It handles TB size databases and claims to be faster than MySQL. It
is, however, not well suited for multiuser applications.

/gustav


> Whoa, whoa, wait a second! I didn't mean to imply that
> there are never cases where storing a number as text 
> doesn't make sense, in fact I said exactly that in my 
> message (granted, in just one line, but sheesh!). What you 
> cite are "compelling reasons" to store a number as text. 
> But when there is no compelling reason to store a numeric 
> value as text it should be stored as a number, I believe 
> that and have far fewer problems by following that 
> strategy. 

> Ron


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Oct 25 10:08:15 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:08:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] TextTransfer
In-Reply-To: <000001c39afc$89a0d1c0$6256fea9@ELIOT>
Message-ID: <3F9B1E7F.7676.61C6A3@localhost>

On 25 Oct 2003 at 9:33, Bob Bedell wrote:

> Hi folks,
>  
> I just have a general question about all the available methods for
> transferring text using Access. I guess TransferText, the
> FileSystemObject, and the basic I/O methods (like Print#), are all valid
> options for this sort of thing, plus probably a few others I'm unaware
> of. My questions are, is there any reason to prefer one over the other,
> or is each best suited for a specific task, and  what are the major
> differences, and  what to people most frequently use, etc? I'm just
> talking about getting basic delimited text files (or maybe XML files)
> into and out of Access.

I just use the standard file I/O functions. 

Why? Because I've been using them  for over 20 years and I  see no 
need to change. 

They give me total control over the text files - I can read/write 
data in any form or any amount I want with them. 









 
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Support.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 25 10:19:54 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:19:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TextTransfer
In-Reply-To: <000001c39afc$89a0d1c0$6256fea9@ELIOT>
References: <000001c39afc$89a0d1c0$6256fea9@ELIOT>
Message-ID: <18025099411.20031025171954@cactus.dk>

Hi Bob

As Stuart recommends, for text files go for basic file I/O.

Here's a link to the site of Seth:

        http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Look for "My downloads", then "File I/O in VB":

  Code snippets demonstrating reading from
  and writing to plain text files.

It is not that difficult and it will save you a lot of trouble.

You can use the same method for writing XML files as well but for
reading anything but extremely simple XML you'll need an XML parser.

/gustav


> I just have a general question about all the available methods for
> transferring text using Access. I guess TransferText, the
> FileSystemObject, and the basic I/O methods (like Print#), are all valid
> options for this sort of thing, plus probably a few others I'm unaware
> of. My questions are, is there any reason to prefer one over the other,
> or is each best suited for a specific task, and  what are the major
> differences, and  what to people most frequently use, etc? I'm just
> talking about getting basic delimited text files (or maybe XML files)
> into and out of Access. Also, does the Import/Export wizard just create
> plain old vanilla schema.ini files for file specifications, and if so is
> there anyway to access those files from the file system, to modify them
> manually or move them, i.e., where are they stored, etc.?
 
> Thanks for any thoughts,
 
> Bob


From bobbedell15 at msn.com  Sat Oct 25 11:17:08 2003
From: bobbedell15 at msn.com (Bob Bedell)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:17:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] TextTransfer
Message-ID: <BAY5-F40vdGg1fDc5DY000142eb@hotmail.com>

Thanks guys. Appreciate the feedback and the link.

Bob


>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] TextTransfer
>Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:19:54 +0200
>
>Hi Bob
>
>As Stuart recommends, for text files go for basic file I/O.
>
>Here's a link to the site of Seth:
>
>         http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/
>
>Look for "My downloads", then "File I/O in VB":
>
>   Code snippets demonstrating reading from
>   and writing to plain text files.
>
>It is not that difficult and it will save you a lot of trouble.
>
>You can use the same method for writing XML files as well but for
>reading anything but extremely simple XML you'll need an XML parser.
>
>/gustav
>
>
> > I just have a general question about all the available methods for
> > transferring text using Access. I guess TransferText, the
> > FileSystemObject, and the basic I/O methods (like Print#), are all valid
> > options for this sort of thing, plus probably a few others I'm unaware
> > of. My questions are, is there any reason to prefer one over the other,
> > or is each best suited for a specific task, and  what are the major
> > differences, and  what to people most frequently use, etc? I'm just
> > talking about getting basic delimited text files (or maybe XML files)
> > into and out of Access. Also, does the Import/Export wizard just create
> > plain old vanilla schema.ini files for file specifications, and if so is
> > there anyway to access those files from the file system, to modify them
> > manually or move them, i.e., where are they stored, etc.?
>
> > Thanks for any thoughts,
>
> > Bob
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 25 11:55:14 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:55:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
 October 31
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F9AAAF2.2020705@shaw.ca>

Microsoft has a similar one for $80. through their BCentral site.
http://www.bcentral.com/products/si/default.asp?LID=33825

John Colby wrote:

>I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your site with the
>search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>Beach Access Software
>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
>October 31
>
>
>Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks like some kind of
>scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of the link with
>asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link something bad
>will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.
>
>I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the address to check
>my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?
>
> Rocky
>
>  
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Kennedy" <owner-nolist-x at TOP--SITES.NET>
>>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:15 AM
>>Subject: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, October 31
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Could you please be so kind as to check your floralsoft.com listing, if
>>>      
>>>
>>you don't mind, at:
>>    
>>
>>>http://top--sites.net/*********************************
>>>
>>>We can only list you if you click the update button by Friday (even if
>>>      
>>>
>>your listing is fine).
>>    
>>
>>>Your updated listing will also appear to the left of Yahoo, MSN, Google,
>>>      
>>>
>>Go, AOL, Netscape, Lycos, AltaVista, and Excite searches by AutoSearch
>>    
>>
>users
>  
>
>>in Internet Explorer's Search window.
>>    
>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>John Kennedy
>>>
>>>P.S. Please also review our translations of your website into seven
>>>      
>>>
>>languages. And don't miss our reports on your website's popularity and
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>server's uptime.
>>    
>>
>>>You can unsubscribe at:
>>>      
>>>
>>http://top--sites.net/**********************************>
>>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Sat Oct 25 13:33:49 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:33:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Number vs text data type
In-Reply-To: <15722330068.20031025163345@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000d01c39b26$88dcf370$7001a8c0@COA3>

Ok, here's one more on this ...
I am sure that a number search would be faster than text, but in the
case of the Zip code, or any other value where there might be a leading
zero, a truly fair comparison would have to include the logic and
padding to put back the missing "0"s
  if stored as a number, thus diminishing the difference.  Or, you would
have to check/pad it at every mention in your front-end, not something I
would want to have to deal with.
So, again, I vote for ZipCode=text.  (My personal criteria is on
calculation - if the value will NEVER be used in a calculation, like zip
or SSN, I make it text.)

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Number vs text data type


Hi all

If you are bored to death by the discussion on datatypes why not use a
typeless (and completely free public domain) engine!

  http://www.sqlite.org/

  http://www.sqlite.org/datatypes.html

  http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=SqliteWrappers

It handles TB size databases and claims to be faster than MySQL. It is,
however, not well suited for multiuser applications.

/gustav


> Whoa, whoa, wait a second! I didn't mean to imply that
> there are never cases where storing a number as text
> doesn't make sense, in fact I said exactly that in my 
> message (granted, in just one line, but sheesh!). What you 
> cite are "compelling reasons" to store a number as text. 
> But when there is no compelling reason to store a numeric 
> value as text it should be stored as a number, I believe 
> that and have far fewer problems by following that 
> strategy. 

> Ron

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From pedro at plex.nl  Sun Oct 26 05:02:43 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:02:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
Message-ID: <000701c39bb0$d2353e80$f2c581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,

is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round this,
or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 08:56:42 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:56:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
In-Reply-To: <000701c39bb0$d2353e80$f2c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages with a
tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run out of
screen long before you ran out of control "slots".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


Hello Group,

is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round this,
or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 09:30:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?

My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 database.
Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.

If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference on
the client's machine which has only A97.

The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
others have AXP only?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Sun Oct 26 09:48:07 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:48:07 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c39bd8$8d7c4a40$b3ca11d2@bitswshome>

I might be wrong, but I don't think A97 came with ADO of any persuasion.

Stuart


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:30 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


> Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
> only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?
>
> My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97
database.
> Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
> uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
> libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>
> If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference
on
> the client's machine which has only A97.
>
> The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
> Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
> referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
> others have AXP only?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Oct 26 09:49:09 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:49:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE
Message-ID: <000001c39bd8$b205c670$de1811d8@DanWaters>

I've been wondering . . .

In a configuration where the system is split FE and BE, and the FE also has
local tables that are used for temporarily holding data, how are the local
tables compacted?  Particularly in Access XP when it's set to auto-compact?

I know that the BE is compacted when the last person exits.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 09:51:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:51:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, now that I have dimmed a connection object, who do I find an object that
has a connection to set this equal to?  In A2K I just use:

set gcnn = currentproject.connection.

However in A97 AFAICT currentproject doesn't exist.  Am I going to have to
edit the connection information manually?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 10:03:22 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:03:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <000701c39bb0$d2353e80$f2c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <002901c39bda$ae63fcb0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only 20
controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over its
lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
> error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 10:07:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:07:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
In-Reply-To: <002901c39bda$ae63fcb0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over the
lifetime of a form

Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean that up
eh?

Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only 20
controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over its
lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
> error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Oct 26 10:14:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:14:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>

ADO is separate form Access.  Use whatever one you want.  I think up to 2.6
can be setup using MDAC.  After that, I think it's the Jet service pack that
installs the later ones.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?

My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 database.
Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.

If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference on
the client's machine which has only A97.

The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
others have AXP only?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 10:21:06 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:21:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c39bdd$2887c510$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/offhelp/offxp/access/acmain10/html/acdecLookUpMicrosoftAccessSpecificationsS.htm

...watch for the wrap :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


> >Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
the
> lifetime of a form
>
> Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean that
up
> eh?
>
> Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> Pedro
>
> ...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
> ...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
> the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only 20
> controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over its
> lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
an
> > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
> this,
> > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Oct 26 10:35:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:35:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E5@main2.marlow.com>

Access 97 doesn't use ADO natively, so you have to create a new connection
object for the db.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:52 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection


OK, now that I have dimmed a connection object, who do I find an object that
has a connection to set this equal to?  In A2K I just use:

set gcnn = currentproject.connection.

However in A97 AFAICT currentproject doesn't exist.  Am I going to have to
edit the connection information manually?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 10:39:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:39:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
In-Reply-To: <003c01c39bdd$2887c510$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFJFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Boy is that a handy dandy reference.  Thanks!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/offhelp/offxp/access/acmain10/html/ac
decLookUpMicrosoftAccessSpecificationsS.htm

...watch for the wrap :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


> >Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
the
> lifetime of a form
>
> Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean that
up
> eh?
>
> Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> Pedro
>
> ...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
> ...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
> the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only 20
> controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over its
> lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
an
> > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
> this,
> > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 10:57:29 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:57:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c39be2$3e0eb010$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...first ...you've just landed in DLL Hell ...congratulations ...there are
30+ page articles on MSDN on this subject which I've never been able to
figure out because I apparently don't read greek or geek very well ...one of
many reasons I've passed on ADO for the most part :(

...the latest Jet SPs appear to install the current ADO library and reset
any references on my system, and if MS actually succeeded in maintaining
backwards compatibility, it all plays nicely ...so far, so good ...your
mileage may vary but you might want to give it a try since I no longer have
A97 installed ...of, course, I constantly await the next SP to fix what the
last one broke :(

...two ..."preinstalled" AXP can be a PITA ...Dell for instance, only
installs the basics ...you can almost certainly count on having to
reconfigure each individual system as well as do the "registration" ...and
of course, a full Access install gives users all kinds of opportunities to
screw with your db even if you use an mde.

...I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed
from the server ...only one client system with the ODE edition with very
limited access to it ...the cost savings on Office Standard vs Office Pro
more than cover the ODE purchase spread over several systems ...and I ...as
well as the client ...have far fewer problems over the life of the database
caused by users ...he saves money and headaches, I get more time in my
hammock :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


> Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
> only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?
>
> My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97
database.
> Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
> uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
> libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>
> If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference
on
> the client's machine which has only A97.
>
> The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
> Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
> referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
> others have AXP only?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 11:08:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:08:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
In-Reply-To: <004f01c39be2$3e0eb010$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed from
the server

Yep, when I get rich and famous, I too am going to buy a hammock, and also
the tools to package runtimes.  In the meantime...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


...first ...you've just landed in DLL Hell ...congratulations ...there are
30+ page articles on MSDN on this subject which I've never been able to
figure out because I apparently don't read greek or geek very well ...one of
many reasons I've passed on ADO for the most part :(

...the latest Jet SPs appear to install the current ADO library and reset
any references on my system, and if MS actually succeeded in maintaining
backwards compatibility, it all plays nicely ...so far, so good ...your
mileage may vary but you might want to give it a try since I no longer have
A97 installed ...of, course, I constantly await the next SP to fix what the
last one broke :(

...two ..."preinstalled" AXP can be a PITA ...Dell for instance, only
installs the basics ...you can almost certainly count on having to
reconfigure each individual system as well as do the "registration" ...and
of course, a full Access install gives users all kinds of opportunities to
screw with your db even if you use an mde.

...I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed
from the server ...only one client system with the ODE edition with very
limited access to it ...the cost savings on Office Standard vs Office Pro
more than cover the ODE purchase spread over several systems ...and I ...as
well as the client ...have far fewer problems over the life of the database
caused by users ...he saves money and headaches, I get more time in my
hammock :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


> Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
> only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?
>
> My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97
database.
> Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
> uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
> libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>
> If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference
on
> the client's machine which has only A97.
>
> The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
> Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
> referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
> others have AXP only?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 11:26:03 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:26:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFKFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c39be6$3b6a4730$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...no, no, no JC ...you sell the "client" on buying the ODE for one system
rather than Access for all systems ...lower TCO and much less headaches
...install the ODE on one of his systems that you will have easy access to
when on site ...THEN use the ODE to create the runtime packages to load from
his server ...THEN, because the ODE comes with a dual install clause, you
install it on one of YOUR systems with no MS hassle in registration ...have
not bought an ODE since '97 ...but have a legal one on every system in my
home and laptop ...and no "power user" problems :)

...I'm trying to MAKE you rich JC, so you can afford more kids ...pay
attention!!!!! ...coding is far, far less than half of being a successful
independent :))))

...have not tried selling an MSDN subscription to a client yet but I have
one interested in moving to the W2003 Server soon and I'm going to pitch it
really hard :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


> >I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed
from
> the server
>
> Yep, when I get rich and famous, I too am going to buy a hammock, and also
> the tools to package runtimes.  In the meantime...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
>
>
> ...first ...you've just landed in DLL Hell ...congratulations ...there are
> 30+ page articles on MSDN on this subject which I've never been able to
> figure out because I apparently don't read greek or geek very well ...one
of
> many reasons I've passed on ADO for the most part :(
>
> ...the latest Jet SPs appear to install the current ADO library and reset
> any references on my system, and if MS actually succeeded in maintaining
> backwards compatibility, it all plays nicely ...so far, so good ...your
> mileage may vary but you might want to give it a try since I no longer
have
> A97 installed ...of, course, I constantly await the next SP to fix what
the
> last one broke :(
>
> ...two ..."preinstalled" AXP can be a PITA ...Dell for instance, only
> installs the basics ...you can almost certainly count on having to
> reconfigure each individual system as well as do the "registration" ...and
> of course, a full Access install gives users all kinds of opportunities to
> screw with your db even if you use an mde.
>
> ...I try to insist on Access free clients with a runtime install managed
> from the server ...only one client system with the ODE edition with very
> limited access to it ...the cost savings on Office Standard vs Office Pro
> more than cover the ODE purchase spread over several systems ...and I
...as
> well as the client ...have far fewer problems over the life of the
database
> caused by users ...he saves money and headaches, I get more time in my
> hammock :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:30 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
>
>
> > Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines
having
> > only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002
(XP)?
> >
> > My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97
> database.
> > Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
> > uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
> > libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
> >
> > If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing
reference
> on
> > the client's machine which has only A97.
> >
> > The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
> > Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
> > referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
> > others have AXP only?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jonsulli at swbell.net  Sun Oct 26 12:09:14 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:09:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3F9C0DCA.2090401@swbell.net>

Microsoft Knowledge Base has an article and demo that I found almost 
useful a while back. If you haven't already checked it out, here's the url:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q185033

Hope this helps,

John Sullivan

Drew Wutka wrote:

>ADO is separate form Access.  Use whatever one you want.  I think up to 2.6
>can be setup using MDAC.  After that, I think it's the Jet service pack that
>installs the later ones.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:31 AM
>To: AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
>
>
>Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
>only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?
>
>My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 database.
>Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
>uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
>libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>
>If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference on
>the client's machine which has only A97.
>
>The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
>Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
>referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
>others have AXP only?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 12:29:27 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:29:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>
	<3F9C0DCA.2090401@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <002701c39bef$16741060$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...JET SP 8 is out and the damn AXP file bloat problem is STILL with us!!!!!
...will someone with links to the MS Access development team please scream
...note I said scream, not yell, yelling apparently doesn't work ...at them
for me ...pretty please! ...thank you, I feel better already :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?



From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sun Oct 26 13:04:10 2003
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:04:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] How to refresh a graphic
Message-ID: <008301c39bf3$f2d3a260$0100a8c0@kost36>

HI group,
 into a main form (MAIN_FORM) I use a subform (RT_AM_SUB) and a graphic (graphic12).
What I want to do is to recalc or to refresh the graphic 
on afterupdate from one subform's field

Thank's
Kostas Konstantinidis

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Oct 26 13:22:50 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:22:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to refresh a graphic
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273EC@main2.marlow.com>

Repaint.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kostas Konstantinidis [mailto:kost36 at otenet.gr]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:04 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to refresh a graphic


HI group,
 into a main form (MAIN_FORM) I use a subform (RT_AM_SUB) and a graphic
(graphic12).
What I want to do is to recalc or to refresh the graphic 
on afterupdate from one subform's field

Thank's
Kostas Konstantinidis
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From pedro at plex.nl  Sun Oct 26 14:08:57 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:08:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000001c39bfd$2e47bb70$f6c581d5@pedro>

I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
smaller.
But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and see if
i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in the
past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.


Thanks for all the response

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages with a
> tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run out
of
> screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get an
> error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 14:53:32 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:53:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000001c39bfd$2e47bb70$f6c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <000b01c39c03$37baa680$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...four HUNDRED controls!!!!!!
...jumpin' jehozephat!!! ...what in the world could possibly require 400
controls?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


> I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
> But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
> smaller.
> But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and see
if
> i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in the
> past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
> but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.
>
>
> Thanks for all the response
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages with
a
> > tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run out
> of
> > screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
> >
> >
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
an
> > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
> this,
> > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 13:56:58 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:56:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
References: 	<2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com><3F9C0DCA.2090401@swbell.net>
	<002701c39bef$16741060$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <008001c39c06$942d4f00$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Bloat's never going to get fixed.

Susan H.


> ...JET SP 8 is out and the damn AXP file bloat problem is STILL with
us!!!!!
> ...will someone with links to the MS Access development team please scream
> ...note I said scream, not yell, yelling apparently doesn't work ...at
them
> for me ...pretty please! ...thank you, I feel better already :(



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 15:37:34 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:37:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
In-Reply-To: <008001c39c06$942d4f00$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEGBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

It pretty effectively causes us to use A2K containers.  You suppose they
broke the container AXP itself and don't know how to fix it?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted


Bloat's never going to get fixed.

Susan H.


> ...JET SP 8 is out and the damn AXP file bloat problem is STILL with
us!!!!!
> ...will someone with links to the MS Access development team please scream
> ...note I said scream, not yell, yelling apparently doesn't work ...at
them
> for me ...pretty please! ...thank you, I feel better already :(


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 15:50:32 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:50:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEGBFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c39c0b$2dbf2220$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"broke the container AXP itself and don't know how to fix it?" JC

...we're talking MS here ...if they really wanted to fix it, they could ...I
simply don't understand ...8 SPs since Jet4 gave us the problem and still no
fix to the biggest bug in the whole damn package ...incredible!!!!

...actually ...disgusting is more like it ...anyone know if A2003 still has
the file format bloat bug?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted


> It pretty effectively causes us to use A2K containers.  You suppose they
> broke the container AXP itself and don't know how to fix it?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expletive Deleted
>
>
> Bloat's never going to get fixed.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > ...JET SP 8 is out and the damn AXP file bloat problem is STILL with
> us!!!!!
> > ...will someone with links to the MS Access development team please
scream
> > ...note I said scream, not yell, yelling apparently doesn't work ...at
> them
> > for me ...pretty please! ...thank you, I feel better already :(
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 26 16:19:04 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:19:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273E2@main2.marlow.com>
 <3F9C0DCA.2090401@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3F9C4858.6070406@shaw.ca>

ADO is installed partially by the MDAC. The level no of the MDAC is 
determined by the OS intially ie. WIN XP installs MDAC 2.7 , Win98 SE 
installs MDAC 2.1 and had a copy of DAO 3.5
You can also install your own MDAC seperately. MDAC 2.5 is the last MDAC 
to contain installable Jet 4.0. Better put a copy in your sock drawer.
MDAC 2.0 was last MDAC to contain installable Jet 3.5, (DAO 3.5). Unless 
you have a copy in your sock drawer MDAC 2.0  is not obtainable directly 
from MS. MDAC 2.1 through 2.5 updated it. You could install through VB 5 
or 6 or Access 97 or OS Win 98 SE  or Win 95.
If your Jet SP is at least level 3.0 , you can go ahead and install Jet 
SP8.0. It contains all the intervening SP fixes.
So your ADO level is partly determined by what OS you are aiming at. 
Since AccessXP wont run on Win95, I guess you are aiming at Win98 and 
up. If you are still using DAO 3.5, MDAC 2.5 SP3
will do you giving you ADO 2.5 as a base. If your client sites are 
Win2000 and Win XP hopefully they are all MDAC 2.7 or ADO 2.7 then you 
could just use ado2.7 and upgrade jet to SP8.
but then you may  lose your Access97 DAO 3.5 functionality without a 
runtime install.
This is why you buy sagekey scripts.
or work your way through here to find what level is installed by what 
software.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1
either searching by product name or dll.

John Sullivan wrote:

> Microsoft Knowledge Base has an article and demo that I found almost 
> useful a while back. If you haven't already checked it out, here's the 
> url:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q185033
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> John Sullivan
>
> Drew Wutka wrote:
>
>> ADO is separate form Access.  Use whatever one you want.  I think up 
>> to 2.6
>> can be setup using MDAC.  After that, I think it's the Jet service 
>> pack that
>> installs the later ones.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:31 AM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines 
>> having
>> only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 
>> (XP)?
>>
>> My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 
>> database.
>> Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
>> uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
>> libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.
>>
>> If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing 
>> reference on
>> the client's machine which has only A97.
>>
>> The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
>> Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
>> referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
>> others have AXP only?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.colbyconsulting.com
>>
>>
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>>  
>>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Oct 26 16:41:45 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:41:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADMINISTRIVIA - PLEASE READ
Message-ID: <3F9C0759.8128.5C0DC@localhost>

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We want to avoid any potential legal issues, so that we will remain 
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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 26 16:44:22 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:44:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using Library Form
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEMHFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi all,
I have a form that is bound to a table which is common in all of my apps.
The table holds information about the application(title, version, etc,). I
thought this would be a perfect example of a form to put in my common code
library, call it from there to display the application specific app.
information for each calling app.

I put the table in my common library DB and loaded the library's info.
I changed all the references from currentDB to CodeDB.
I put a function in my code library that opens the form when called from any
app.

Problem:
The form always displays the library information.

What I am missing here?

John



From pedro at plex.nl  Sun Oct 26 17:10:24 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:10:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000001c39bfd$2e47bb70$f6c581d5@pedro>
	<000b01c39c03$37baa680$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <002a01c39c16$7808c4c0$f6c581d5@pedro>

A form where you can select 10 different options.
Each option has 30 controls, which i all need for filling fields in word
with mailmerge.
Add a few other controls to it and you have four hundred controls.

Pedro Janssen



----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


> ...four HUNDRED controls!!!!!!
> ...jumpin' jehozephat!!! ...what in the world could possibly require 400
> controls?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
> > But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
> > smaller.
> > But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and see
> if
> > i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in
the
> > past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
> > but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all the response
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
> >
> >
> > > Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages
with
> a
> > > tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run
out
> > of
> > > screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro
Janssen
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
> an
> > > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go round
> > this,
> > > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > Cytologist
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 26 17:38:50 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:38:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><000001c39bfd$2e47bb70$f6c581d5@pedro><000b01c39c03$37baa680$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<002a01c39c16$7808c4c0$f6c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <008401c39c1a$4ef5cc00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...tab control time ...use subforms on the tab control ...the tabcontrol
counts against the main form  ...controls on the subforms count against
them, not the main form :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


> A form where you can select 10 different options.
> Each option has 30 controls, which i all need for filling fields in word
> with mailmerge.
> Add a few other controls to it and you have four hundred controls.
>
> Pedro Janssen
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > ...four HUNDRED controls!!!!!!
> > ...jumpin' jehozephat!!! ...what in the world could possibly require 400
> > controls?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
> >
> >
> > > I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
> > > But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
> > > smaller.
> > > But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and
see
> > if
> > > i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in
> the
> > > past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
> > > but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the response
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > Cytologist
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
> > >
> > >
> > > > Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages
> with
> > a
> > > > tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run
> out
> > > of
> > > > screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro
> Janssen
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Group,
> > > >
> > > > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i
get
> > an
> > > > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go
round
> > > this,
> > > > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> > > >
> > > > Pedro Janssen
> > > > Cytologist
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 26 17:36:41 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:36:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEAOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I am not sure which if any ADO file came with A97. I had to set each station
in the network initially to have ADO. I designed a routine in the
application(s) that dispersed the ADO (Msadoxx.dll) file to local directory
"C:\Program Files\Common Files\SYSTEM\ADO\" if it was not found or was not
the appropriate version.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Which ADO goes with A97


Does anyone know which ADO lib needs to be referenced for machines having
only A97?  Will that lib be available on machines having only A2002 (XP)?

My Sysvars class uses ADO, and I want to use it in a client's A97 database.
Unfortunately my dev machine has A96, A2K and had AXP as well before I
uninstalled the last.  When I go into references on my dev machine I see
libs for ADO 2.0, 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7.

If I choose the wrong one I'm afraid I'll end up with a missing reference on
the client's machine which has only A97.

The client is buying a bunch of new machines which will have only AXP.
Which of these libs will be available then?  Is there one that can be
referenced and used in a mixed environment where some have A97 only and
others have AXP only?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 26 20:18:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:18:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFGFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEAPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I not sure whether this is answering your question but here goes anyway.

A place to start...

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to a SQL server
gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB; _
		   Initial Catalog=MyDatabaseName; _
		   Data Source=MyServer; _
		   Integrated Security=SSPI" 'Use the M$ security

' or a MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "Myquery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, sInvoiceCode)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or with SQL or Oracle servers use command section

With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyStoredProcedure"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("@InvoiceNumber", adInteger,
adParamInput, , lngInvoiceNumber)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .Open objCmd, , adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic	'This is where the
connection types and locks can also be set.
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

The previous is a little over-kill but I would not want one small point to
be missed and hold up production. If there are any errors in the previous my
memory and typing skills are no perfect. Note the three types of ADO sets,
recordset, connection and command set.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:52 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection


OK, now that I have dimmed a connection object, who do I find an object that
has a connection to set this equal to?  In A2K I just use:

set gcnn = currentproject.connection.

However in A97 AFAICT currentproject doesn't exist.  Am I going to have to
edit the connection information manually?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 26 21:23:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:23:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEAPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGMFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

Thanks for this.  I was afraid I was going to have do things this way.  At
least now I have some examples.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 connection


Hi John:

I not sure whether this is answering your question but here goes anyway.

A place to start...

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to a SQL server
gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB; _
		   Initial Catalog=MyDatabaseName; _
		   Data Source=MyServer; _
		   Integrated Security=SSPI" 'Use the M$ security

' or a MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "Myquery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, sInvoiceCode)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or with SQL or Oracle servers use command section

With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyStoredProcedure"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("@InvoiceNumber", adInteger,
adParamInput, , lngInvoiceNumber)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .Open objCmd, , adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic	'This is where the
connection types and locks can also be set.
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

The previous is a little over-kill but I would not want one small point to
be missed and hold up production. If there are any errors in the previous my
memory and typing skills are no perfect. Note the three types of ADO sets,
recordset, connection and command set.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:52 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 connection


OK, now that I have dimmed a connection object, who do I find an object that
has a connection to set this equal to?  In A2K I just use:

set gcnn = currentproject.connection.

However in A97 AFAICT currentproject doesn't exist.  Am I going to have to
edit the connection information manually?

John W. Colby
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Mon Oct 27 03:38:20 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:38:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday, 
	October 31
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE6A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Absolutely!

I got an identical message referring to one of my web sites. They wanted $5
per month to include my site in their listings. B&%??$r that!

You do need to click on the "remove me" link to get your site unlisted.

Chris F - UK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
> Friday, October 31
> 
> 
> I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your 
> site with the
> search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
> October 31
> 
> 
> Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks 
> like some kind of
> scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of 
> the link with
> asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link 
> something bad
> will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.
> 
> I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the 
> address to check
> my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?
> 
>  Rocky
> 

From KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org  Mon Oct 27 06:26:07 2003
From: KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org (KSEABOLT at parkcenter.org)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:26:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
Message-ID: <OF5296970A.2601B157-ON05256DCC.0044348D@parkcenter.org>

Did you try placing some of the controls on subforms?    We had similar 
issues with a behavioral healthcare assessment tool that must follow a 
standard data entry flow.   It had well in excess of the limit and we 
found that placing controls on subforms circumvented the issue nicely.






"Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
10/26/2003 06:10 PM
Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving 

 
        To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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        cc: 
        Subject:        Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


A form where you can select 10 different options.
Each option has 30 controls, which i all need for filling fields in word
with mailmerge.
Add a few other controls to it and you have four hundred controls.

Pedro Janssen



----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


> ...four HUNDRED controls!!!!!!
> ...jumpin' jehozephat!!! ...what in the world could possibly require 400
> controls?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > I did indeed run out of screen, long before i did run out of controls.
> > But i fixed that problem by making everything on the form a little bit
> > smaller.
> > But now i was running out of controls. I shall recreate the form and 
see
> if
> > i can add then new controls. This form indeed has had some changes in
the
> > past years, and there are about 400 hundred controls on the form,
> > but i can't imagine that i deleted a few hundred controls in the past.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all the response
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
> >
> >
> > > Are you making them "pages" of the form?  Can you replace the pages
with
> a
> > > tab and place controls on the tabs instead?  It seems like you'd run
out
> > of
> > > screen long before you ran out of control "slots".
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro
Janssen
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i 
get
> an
> > > error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go 
round
> > this,
> > > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > Cytologist
> > >
> > >
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 06:29:47 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:29:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
In-Reply-To: <019201c39aac$f50a4810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20031027122947.43050.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>

thnx everybody. A lot of answers with different
solutions to the problem. Two subforms will work but I
I'll go for the idea of Reuben, very nifty :-)

Regards,

Sander
--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> How about two subforms - one on the top of the form
> where you only enter new
> records, one on the bottom with all the current
> records and no additions
> allowed.  In the After Update event of the top
> subform, requery the bottom
> subform.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
> 
> 
> > It's the only way to get the "new record" at the
> top of a continuous
> > form, and it has the advantage of allowing for an
> "undo" easily.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kath Pelletti
> [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:22 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
> first?
> >
> >
> > Very clever. I like it
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Reuben Cummings
> >   To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> >   Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
> >   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
> first?
> >
> >
> >   Something I have done on several occasions to
> handle this very thing
> > is to
> >   basically ignore the subform as the solution,
> but rather put unbound
> > fields
> >   on the main form directly above the fields of
> the subform.
> >
> >   If you do not have the subform sunken you can't
> hardly tell they are
> > not in
> >   the subform (I usually leave mine sunken
> though).
> >
> >   The user inputs the new data into the unbound
> fields of the main form,
> >   clicks an add button.  You validate the data,
> write the data to the
> > table
> >   and requery the subform.  And if that record
> needs to be at the top
> > then
> >   just set the sort order accordingly.
> >
> >   Reuben Cummings
> >   GFC, LLC
> >   phone: 812.523.1017
> >   email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
> >
> >   > -----Original Message-----
> >   > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >   >
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> >   > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
> >   > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> >   > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
> first?
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Sander
> >   > I know what you mean. My users often don't
> like this either. The
> > answer to
> >   > your question is no (I think) but a workaround
> is to place a
> >   > command button
> >   > in the header called "Add New Record" or
> whatever and behind there
> > put:
> >   >
> >   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
> >   >
> >   > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at
> least the user
> > doesn't have
> >   > to scroll down.
> >   >
> >   > There is another technique which may work but
> depends on your data
> > to an
> >   > extent. If, say, the data your subform is
> bound to has a date
> >   > created field,
> >   > and if your user is happy to see the data in
> desc order of date (ie
> > newest
> >   > at the top), then you can do the following:
> >   >
> >   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
> >   > me!DateField=Now()
> >   > me.requery
> >   >
> >   > This will add the new record with the latest
> date then the
> >   > requery will sort
> >   > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can
> sometimes be effective.
> >   >
> >   > --
> >   > Andy Lacey
> >   > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > --------- Original Message --------
> >   > From: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem solving"
> >   > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >   > To: "Acces User Group"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >   > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
> first?
> >   > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Hi group,
> >   >
> >   > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the
> records
> >   > it is possible to add a record. However I
> first have
> >   > to tab through all records (or use the
> scrollbar).
> >   >
> >   > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert
> a new
> >   > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
> >   >
> >   > So you see an empty line and below it are all
> >   > detailrecords.
> >   >
> >   > Hope this makes sence.
> >   >
> >   > TIA
> >   >
> >   > SD
> >   >
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 07:15:24 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:15:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Use global variable in a query?
Message-ID: <20031027131524.3504.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I need to build a lot of detail forms. Their nothing
more then a select * from table. Off course with the
exception of 2 where statements.

The query needs 2 parameters I use throughout the
program.

Question: Is it possible to use a global variable in
query? I do NOT mean an sql-statement but a query
created and saved in the database itself (HTMS)

If not...any ideas? I mean I need to build a LOT of
detail forms!

Regards,

Sander

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon Oct 27 07:32:26 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:32:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A9@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

What OS are you using?  I tried to install a LinkSys USB external adapter on my son's XP box and even a call to LinkSys support couldn't get it configured.  I went with an internal DLink adapter and it worked out of the box (this after spending hours with LinkSys).  I run a wireless DLink PC card on my Win2K laptop too and had easy setup.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop


Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but can't get it to install
on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally
grateful.

John W. Colby
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 07:33:23 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:33:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Use global variable in a query? <SOLVED>
In-Reply-To: <20031027131524.3504.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031027133323.77124.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>

Sometimes Access amazes me....
docmd.openform <formname>,,,<WHERE CONDITION!!>

I created a form with a table as a recordsource.
lalalala and added the where clause to the openform
method! 

Workes like a charm.

SD
--- Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> I need to build a lot of detail forms. Their nothing
> more then a select * from table. Off course with the
> exception of 2 where statements.
> 
> The query needs 2 parameters I use throughout the
> program.
> 
> Question: Is it possible to use a global variable in
> query? I do NOT mean an sql-statement but a query
> created and saved in the database itself (HTMS)
> 
> If not...any ideas? I mean I need to build a LOT of
> detail forms!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sander
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 06:37:04 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:37:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use global variable in a query?
Message-ID: <20031027133700.B9A46143F26@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Sander
Watch out for the downsides of using Global variables (that's another debate
that the archives are full of) but yes you can. What you need to do is
create a public function which simply returns the value of the variable, and
then use the function in the query.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Acces User Group" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Use global variable in a query?
Date: 27/10/03 21:16


Hi group,

I need to build a lot of detail forms. Their nothing
more then a select * from table. Off course with the
exception of 2 where statements.

The query needs 2 parameters I use throughout the
program.

Question: Is it possible to use a global variable in
query? I do NOT mean an sql-statement but a query
created and saved in the database itself (HTMS)

If not...any ideas? I mean I need to build a LOT of
detail forms!

Regards,

Sander

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 07:54:30 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:54:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A9@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <20031027135430.20759.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

As someone who does networks for a living, I too would
go with a D-Link over a Linksys wireless card.

The Linksys NIC cards and Cablemodem "routers" are
nice, but D-Link makes better wireless NICs and
wireless "routers".

This may change in the near future since Linksys is
now, for the last 6 months or so, owned by Cisco
Systems.  We may begin to see an improvement fir at
least the "routers".  I'm not sure if Cisco bought the
entire company or just the router/switch division.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> What OS are you using?  I tried to install a LinkSys
> USB external adapter on my son's XP box and even a
> call to LinkSys support couldn't get it configured. 
> I went with an internal DLink adapter and it worked
> out of the box (this after spending hours with
> LinkSys).  I run a wireless DLink PC card on my
> Win2K laptop too and had easy setup.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> Director Product Development
> Hudson Health Plan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc
> card for laptop
> 
> 
> Is anyone familiar with this thing.  I have one but
> can't get it to install
> on my laptop.  If anyone could help me get this
> running I'd be eternally
> grateful.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From askolits at ot.com  Mon Oct 27 09:45:19 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:45:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADMINISTRIVIA - PLEASE READ
In-Reply-To: <3F9C0759.8128.5C0DC@localhost>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCENLDGAA.askolits@ot.com>

Bryan,

Can you tell us which code was posted? I'm worried that maybe it was some
code I posted.

John Skolits




From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Oct 27 10:19:54 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:19:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
	October 31
In-Reply-To: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE6A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECGDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

I thought floralsoft was one of the list members Access driven website?
Wasn't Steve @ ironcube?

I remember someone giving us that url some time back.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Foote, Chris
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
Friday, October 31


Absolutely!

I got an identical message referring to one of my web sites. They wanted $5
per month to include my site in their listings. B&%??$r that!

You do need to click on the "remove me" link to get your site unlisted.

Chris F - UK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
> Friday, October 31
>
>
> I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your
> site with the
> search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
> October 31
>
>
> Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks
> like some kind of
> scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of
> the link with
> asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link
> something bad
> will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.
>
> I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the
> address to check
> my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?
>
>  Rocky
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 27 10:22:40 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:22:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
	Friday,October 31
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECGDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIFFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, floralsoft is Rocky's stuff.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
(Home)
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
Friday,October 31


I thought floralsoft was one of the list members Access driven website?
Wasn't Steve @ ironcube?

I remember someone giving us that url some time back.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Foote, Chris
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
Friday, October 31


Absolutely!

I got an identical message referring to one of my web sites. They wanted $5
per month to include my site in their listings. B&%??$r that!

You do need to click on the "remove me" link to get your site unlisted.

Chris F - UK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by
> Friday, October 31
>
>
> I am just guessing that it is a service that registers your
> site with the
> search engines.  They will try and get you to pay for that.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
> October 31
>
>
> Here's a suspicious message I got this morning.  It looks
> like some kind of
> scam to me so I didn't click on the link.  I replaced most of
> the link with
> asterisks.  I have a funny feeling that if I click the link
> something bad
> will happen to me.  But I'm not sure what.
>
> I did note that the unsubscibe address was the same as the
> address to check
> my listing.  Anybody else with a domain ever get this kind of message?
>
>  Rocky
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 27 10:40:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:40:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Please check floralsoft.com listing by Friday,
	October 31
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECGDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
References: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECGDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <7431524599.20031027174055@cactus.dk>

Hi David

> I thought floralsoft was one of the list members Access driven website?
> Wasn't Steve @ ironcube?

Are you thinking of Steven Robinette?

That was

  http://www.ironcube.com

Is he still with the list?
I remember he wrote he was very ill. But that's long time ago.

/gustav


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 10:41:24 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:41:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <20031027164124.42161.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your bloomers....hehehe

I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
like this...

I have a back-end database table that is my master
table of records.  I want my people to click a button
called "Get Information" that will read the first
available record into a "make table query" to create a
temporary local front-end table and delete it from the
master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
out a book from the library.  Once this record is
pulled from the master table in the back-end, it will
never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
into other back-end tables, depending on the
disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...

Get Information pulls "next available record" from
tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.

Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
to a different back-end table and the local table,
tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the Get
Information, this process starts all over again.

I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
ideas?  Thank you.

From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct 27 11:06:03 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:06:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD784A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut Status" field to the original
back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out" field. Doing it this way
means you never need to move the data from table to table, instead just
change the values in those two fields. In addition, there's no danger of
data getting lost when and if the user's front end copy gets trashed /
corrupted.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Frank Tanner III [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> To:	Database Advisors
> Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
> 
> Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your bloomers....hehehe
> 
> I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> like this...
> 
> I have a back-end database table that is my master
> table of records.  I want my people to click a button
> called "Get Information" that will read the first
> available record into a "make table query" to create a
> temporary local front-end table and delete it from the
> master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> pulled from the master table in the back-end, it will
> never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> into other back-end tables, depending on the
> disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> 
> Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> 
> Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> to a different back-end table and the local table,
> tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
> Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the Get
> Information, this process starts all over again.
> 
> I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> ideas?  Thank you.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 27 11:07:50 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:07:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273EF@main2.marlow.com>

Just curious why you would want to physically 'move' the data, instead of
just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.  You could have a byte
field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other numbers could represent
where the data 'ends up' as you put it.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your bloomers....hehehe

I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
like this...

I have a back-end database table that is my master
table of records.  I want my people to click a button
called "Get Information" that will read the first
available record into a "make table query" to create a
temporary local front-end table and delete it from the
master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
out a book from the library.  Once this record is
pulled from the master table in the back-end, it will
never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
into other back-end tables, depending on the
disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...

Get Information pulls "next available record" from
tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.

Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
to a different back-end table and the local table,
tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the Get
Information, this process starts all over again.

I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
ideas?  Thank you.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 11:09:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:09:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E7@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

John,

Do you honestly mean you've never run up against that limitation?  It's
been built into Access forever.  Try laying out a report complete with
lines and graphics and you can run into it very quickly, since it
applies to reports as well.   Compact has no effect on it.  The only
cure is to create a new form and paste the controls onto it.  The
limitation still exists, but you don't have all those deleted items
messing you up.  It includes *every* control, including the bound
labels, lines, boxes, buttons, pagebreaks, etc.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


>Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over

>the
lifetime of a form

Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean
that up eh?

Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added
over the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only
20 controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over
its lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get

> an error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go 
> round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 11:11:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:11:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

If the FE is local and autocompact is set on, the front end gets
compacted when you close the database.  If the front end is shared, it
gets compacted when the last person leaves it, same as the back end.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE


I've been wondering . . .

In a configuration where the system is split FE and BE, and the FE also
has local tables that are used for temporarily holding data, how are the
local tables compacted?  Particularly in Access XP when it's set to
auto-compact?

I know that the BE is compacted when the last person exits.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Mon Oct 27 11:10:39 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:40:39 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
References: <20031027122947.43050.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c39cad$801e71e0$c9edf73d@winxp>

Sander,

    You may like to have a look at the sample database file named AddDataAtTop.zip (demonstrating three  styles of data entry at the top of a subform) just prepared by me. 

    It is available at Rogers Access Library (Other Developer's Section) and can be accessed at the following link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

    The db is in Access 2000 file format, developed on Access XP installation. Some of the salient features are outlined in the note given below.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
Description (AddDataAtTop.zip) -
      This database demonstrates three styles of data entry at top of a subform -
    (a) Continuous Form Display (Using Command Button) - 
        Data is entered via unbound text boxes in subform header, using command button on the parent form. Freshly added Record is highlighted in green, while other recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
    (b) Datasheet Display (Using Command Button) - 
        On clicking the command button on parent form, fresh blank record (highlighted in green) is presented at the top of subform for enabling data entry. Recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
    (c) Datasheet Display (Auto - No command button) -
        On opening the main form, user is presented with fresh blank record (highlighted in green) at the top of subform. As soon as data entry commences in this record, its back color changes to yellow, while another fresh blank record (in green) is offered at top. All other recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
---------------------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sad Der 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 17:59
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?


  thnx everybody. A lot of answers with different
  solutions to the problem. Two subforms will work but I
  I'll go for the idea of Reuben, very nifty :-)

  Regards,
  Sander

  --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
  <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
  > How about two subforms - one on the top of the form
  > where you only enter new
  > records, one on the bottom with all the current
  > records and no additions
  > allowed.  In the After Update event of the top
  > subform, requery the bottom
  > subform.
  > 
  > Rocky
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
  > solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:42 PM
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record first?
  > 
  > 
  > > It's the only way to get the "new record" at the
  > top of a continuous
  > > form, and it has the advantage of allowing for an
  > "undo" easily.
  > >
  > > Charlotte Foust
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Kath Pelletti
  > [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
  > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:22 PM
  > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  > solving
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
  > first?
  > >
  > >
  > > Very clever. I like it
  > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  > >   From: Reuben Cummings
  > >   To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  > solving
  > >   Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:07 AM
  > >   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
  > first?
  > >
  > >
  > >   Something I have done on several occasions to
  > handle this very thing
  > > is to
  > >   basically ignore the subform as the solution,
  > but rather put unbound
  > > fields
  > >   on the main form directly above the fields of
  > the subform.
  > >
  > >   If you do not have the subform sunken you can't
  > hardly tell they are
  > > not in
  > >   the subform (I usually leave mine sunken
  > though).
  > >
  > >   The user inputs the new data into the unbound
  > fields of the main form,
  > >   clicks an add button.  You validate the data,
  > write the data to the
  > > table
  > >   and requery the subform.  And if that record
  > needs to be at the top
  > > then
  > >   just set the sort order accordingly.
  > >
  > >   Reuben Cummings
  > >   GFC, LLC
  > >   phone: 812.523.1017
  > >   email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
  > >
  > >   > -----Original Message-----
  > >   > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > >   >
  > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
  > Behalf Of Andy Lacey
  > >   > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:00 AM
  > >   > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  > solving
  > >   > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
  > first?
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > Sander
  > >   > I know what you mean. My users often don't
  > like this either. The
  > > answer to
  > >   > your question is no (I think) but a workaround
  > is to place a
  > >   > command button
  > >   > in the header called "Add New Record" or
  > whatever and behind there
  > > put:
  > >   >
  > >   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  > >   >
  > >   > It still goes to the bottom of the list but at
  > least the user
  > > doesn't have
  > >   > to scroll down.
  > >   >
  > >   > There is another technique which may work but
  > depends on your data
  > > to an
  > >   > extent. If, say, the data your subform is
  > bound to has a date
  > >   > created field,
  > >   > and if your user is happy to see the data in
  > desc order of date (ie
  > > newest
  > >   > at the top), then you can do the following:
  > >   >
  > >   > DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNewRec
  > >   > me!DateField=Now()
  > >   > me.requery
  > >   >
  > >   > This will add the new record with the latest
  > date then the
  > >   > requery will sort
  > >   > it to the top. Doesn't always suit, but can
  > sometimes be effective.
  > >   >
  > >   > --
  > >   > Andy Lacey
  > >   > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > --------- Original Message --------
  > >   > From: "Access Developers discussion and
  > problem solving"
  > >   > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > >   > To: "Acces User Group"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > >   > Subject: [AccessD] Subform => New Record
  > first?
  > >   > Date: 24/10/03 13:37
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > Hi group,
  > >   >
  > >   > I've got a subform. When I scroll through the
  > records
  > >   > it is possible to add a record. However I
  > first have
  > >   > to tab through all records (or use the
  > scrollbar).
  > >   >
  > >   > Is it possible to have the new line (to insert
  > a new
  > >   > record) appear on top (as the first line)?
  > >   >
  > >   > So you see an empty line and below it are all
  > >   > detailrecords.
  > >   >
  > >   > Hope this makes sence.
  > >   >
  > >   > TIA
  > >   >
  > >   > SD


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 27 11:22:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:22:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E7@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEIIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope, never ran into it.  I tend to do tabs / subforms so I wouldn't run
into it in forms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


John,

Do you honestly mean you've never run up against that limitation?  It's
been built into Access forever.  Try laying out a report complete with
lines and graphics and you can run into it very quickly, since it
applies to reports as well.   Compact has no effect on it.  The only
cure is to create a new form and paste the controls onto it.  The
limitation still exists, but you don't have all those deleted items
messing you up.  It includes *every* control, including the bound
labels, lines, boxes, buttons, pagebreaks, etc.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


>Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over

>the
lifetime of a form

Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean
that up eh?

Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added
over the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only
20 controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over
its lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get

> an error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go
> round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 11:35:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:35:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEIIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c39cb0$c61e5680$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I do the tab/subform thing automatically myself ...but as Charlotte
pointed out, I hit it in a report where I was trying to be a bit fancy with
lines and such ...once you hit it, the form/report is simply dead, nothing
you can do but create a new form ...drove me bonkers the first time until I
found a reference to it on Dev's site :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Nope, never ran into it.  I tend to do tabs / subforms so I wouldn't run
> into it in forms.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> John,
>
> Do you honestly mean you've never run up against that limitation?  It's
> been built into Access forever.  Try laying out a report complete with
> lines and graphics and you can run into it very quickly, since it
> applies to reports as well.   Compact has no effect on it.  The only
> cure is to create a new form and paste the controls onto it.  The
> limitation still exists, but you don't have all those deleted items
> messing you up.  It includes *every* control, including the bound
> labels, lines, boxes, buttons, pagebreaks, etc.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:08 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> >Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over
>
> >the
> lifetime of a form
>
> Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean
> that up eh?
>
> Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> Pedro
>
> ...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
> ...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added
> over the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only
> 20 controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over
> its lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get
>
> > an error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go
> > round
> this,
> > or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Cytologist
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 11:47:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:47:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123E9@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

So do I, but I ran into it creating an *unbound* input form for a
telemarketing survey in a previous life.  And of course I solved it by
using subforms on a tab page. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


Nope, never ran into it.  I tend to do tabs / subforms so I wouldn't run
into it in forms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


John,

Do you honestly mean you've never run up against that limitation?  It's
been built into Access forever.  Try laying out a report complete with
lines and graphics and you can run into it very quickly, since it
applies to reports as well.   Compact has no effect on it.  The only
cure is to create a new form and paste the controls onto it.  The
limitation still exists, but you don't have all those deleted items
messing you up.  It includes *every* control, including the bound
labels, lines, boxes, buttons, pagebreaks, etc.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] max number of controls


>Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added over

>the
lifetime of a form

Holy crap Batman, where do you find THAT?  And compact doesn't clean
that up eh?

Sometimes I can't believe what a POS we develop in.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] max number of controls


Pedro

...it's not necessarily the number of controls currently on your form
...Access has a built in limitation of 754 controls that can be added
over the lifetime of a form ...so even if your form currently has only
20 controls on it, if you've added and deleted controls frequently over
its lifetime, you'll most likely have to recreate the form ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] max number of controls


> Hello Group,
>
> is there a maximum number of controls that i can use on a form ( i get

> an error, maximum number of controls reached). Is there a way to go 
> round
this,
> or can i better not use that many controls on one form and why?
>
> Pedro Janssen
> Cytologist
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 11:55:53 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273EF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031027175553.64430.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>

Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
possibility of duplication.

The reason why we're moving them to different tables
after processing is for marketing to keep track of
different functions based upon the data in tables
specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
that decline to go into another table, and customers
that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
into yet another table.

The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
doing at a particular given point in time.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> the data, instead of
> just adding a field to track the 'status' of it. 
> You could have a byte
> field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> numbers could represent
> where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> bloomers....hehehe
> 
> I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> like this...
> 
> I have a back-end database table that is my master
> table of records.  I want my people to click a
> button
> called "Get Information" that will read the first
> available record into a "make table query" to create
> a
> temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> the
> master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> will
> never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> into other back-end tables, depending on the
> disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> 
> Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> 
> Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> to a different back-end table and the local table,
> tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
> Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> Get
> Information, this process starts all over again.
> 
> I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> ideas?  Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 12:07:20 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:07:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027175553.64430.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c39cb5$2a27f060$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much of a "reason" at all
...you're violating data normalization rules all over the place and creating
tables where a simple flag field and query would be much more apropos ...I
realize that you may not control things as much as you'd like but this
sounds like something a network engineer would build rather than a database
designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before and even more so now :((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
> by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> possibility of duplication.
>
> The reason why we're moving them to different tables
> after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> different functions based upon the data in tables
> specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
> that decline to go into another table, and customers
> that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
> into yet another table.
>
> The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
> yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
> doing at a particular given point in time.
>
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> > the data, instead of
> > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > You could have a byte
> > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > numbers could represent
> > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > To: Database Advisors
> > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> >
> > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> > like this...
> >
> > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > available record into a "make table query" to create
> > a
> > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> > the
> > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> >
> > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> >
> > Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> > Get
> > Information, this process starts all over again.
> >
> > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > ideas?  Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 12:19:31 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:19:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using Library Form
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEMHFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEHFEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Well, first off, I was doing this completely backward. I shouldn't have set
this to CodeDB but to CurrentDB!

As for the bound data - I haven't found a way to do this so it makes sense
time-wise to just change it all to unbound. DONE

OK everything works now EXCEPT:

I store the application icon in the table as an OLE field (it is also stored
in the "application icon" property). I have always diplayed this on the
SysInfo form as it looks nice.

How do I go about reading an OLE field from the recordset (or the
"Application Icon" property) and presenting it for display on the form?

John B.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:44 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Using Library Form
>
>
> Hi all,
> I have a form that is bound to a table which is common in all of my apps.
> The table holds information about the application(title, version, etc,). I
> thought this would be a perfect example of a form to put in my common code
> library, call it from there to display the application specific app.
> information for each calling app.
>
> I put the table in my common library DB and loaded the library's info.
> I changed all the references from currentDB to CodeDB.
> I put a function in my code library that opens the form when
> called from any
> app.
>
> Problem:
> The form always displays the library information.
>
> What I am missing here?
>
> John
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 27 12:33:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:33:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273F3@main2.marlow.com>

Again, that can be tracked by one field.  And changing on field is just as
'reliable' in preventing 'duplicates' as moving records around.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
possibility of duplication.

The reason why we're moving them to different tables
after processing is for marketing to keep track of
different functions based upon the data in tables
specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
that decline to go into another table, and customers
that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
into yet another table.

The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
doing at a particular given point in time.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> the data, instead of
> just adding a field to track the 'status' of it. 
> You could have a byte
> field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> numbers could represent
> where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> To: Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> bloomers....hehehe
> 
> I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> like this...
> 
> I have a back-end database table that is my master
> table of records.  I want my people to click a
> button
> called "Get Information" that will read the first
> available record into a "make table query" to create
> a
> temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> the
> master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> will
> never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> into other back-end tables, depending on the
> disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> 
> Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> 
> Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> to a different back-end table and the local table,
> tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted. 
> Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> Get
> Information, this process starts all over again.
> 
> I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> ideas?  Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 27 12:37:13 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:37:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE
In-Reply-To: <14258459.1067277051048.JavaMail.root@sniper2.marix.com>
Message-ID: <002201c39cb9$56ddb8c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Thanks Charlotte!

Just what I needed to know.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE


If the FE is local and autocompact is set on, the front end gets compacted
when you close the database.  If the front end is shared, it gets compacted
when the last person leaves it, same as the back end.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting on FE and BE


I've been wondering . . .

In a configuration where the system is split FE and BE, and the FE also has
local tables that are used for temporarily holding data, how are the local
tables compacted?  Particularly in Access XP when it's set to auto-compact?

I know that the BE is compacted when the last person exits.

Thanks!
Dan Waters
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 12:41:27 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:41:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <00f701c39cb5$2a27f060$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <20031027184127.65180.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

That's because I *AM* a network engineer...hehehe  By
profession I tend to think modular....hehehe

My boss wants a guarantee of no overlapping.  This is
the only way I can think of doing it without coding
mountains of logic into each form that I am creating. 
The more logic I have to put in to account for every
possible contingency the larger the chance for errors
becomes.  Peeling off one record and storing it in a
temporary table will allow me to use the same logic
over and over again, plus guarantee that there will be
no overlaps.

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 12:46:25 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:46:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD784A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <20031027184625.71673.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
one record could become corrupt if the front-end gets
whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.

Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of criteria
as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled, and
I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
way of handling it.

They are adamant about having one back-end table that
contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
table that contains the records that have been
contacted and have answered the questions, one table
that contains the "not-interested" responses, and one
table that contains the "call me back later"
responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
way, nor what they are going to do with it once it is
complete.

--- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com> wrote:
> I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut Status"
> field to the original
> back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> field. Doing it this way
> means you never need to move the data from table to
> table, instead just
> change the values in those two fields. In addition,
> there's no danger of
> data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> copy gets trashed /
> corrupted.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Frank Tanner III
> [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > To:	Database Advisors
> > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> Question.
> > 
> > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> bloomers....hehehe
> > 
> > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > like this...
> > 
> > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> button
> > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > available record into a "make table query" to
> create a
> > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> the
> > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> will
> > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > 
> > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > 
> > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> 
> > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> Get
> > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > 
> > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > ideas?  Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 27 12:53:12 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:53:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FA@main2.marlow.com>

Is there a reason you have a big frown after thinking I was on the Mark!
<evilgrin>

Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off of the top of my head,
for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have mobile databases.  Even
then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting there, in case one of the
mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half replication! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much of a "reason" at all
...you're violating data normalization rules all over the place and creating
tables where a simple flag field and query would be much more apropos ...I
realize that you may not control things as much as you'd like but this
sounds like something a network engineer would build rather than a database
designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before and even more so now :((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
> by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> possibility of duplication.
>
> The reason why we're moving them to different tables
> after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> different functions based upon the data in tables
> specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
> that decline to go into another table, and customers
> that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
> into yet another table.
>
> The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
> yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
> doing at a particular given point in time.
>
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> > the data, instead of
> > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > You could have a byte
> > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > numbers could represent
> > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > To: Database Advisors
> > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> >
> > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> > like this...
> >
> > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > available record into a "make table query" to create
> > a
> > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> > the
> > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> >
> > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> >
> > Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> > Get
> > Information, this process starts all over again.
> >
> > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > ideas?  Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>


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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 27 13:00:02 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:00:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273F4@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031028075546.022d8730@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Drew,  I might need to take a different approach to solve the 
problem.  If I could make the updating easier for the users this would go a 
long way.  Currently they need to go to a web site, click on a file and 
save it to their local drive, then click on a shortcut to install the update.

Can anyone give me pointers/HTML code for automating this into one step - 
they just click on the web site link and the file is downloaded to the 
local drive (always to the same location on every ones machine), then an 
installation file is started which handles the updating.

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205

At 27/10/2003, you wrote:
>Okay David, I took at look at that database, finally, sorry, had a long
>week.  The data entry portion would be a snap to convert to ASP pages. Rough
>estimate of 6 hours.  The reports are DEFINITELY going to be a problem
>though.  Some look pretty simple, and those could be converted to HTML/ASP.
>However, I saw one with a graph.  Oh, those are show stoppers when it comes
>to HTML, because just plain HTML doesn't play well with graphs.  Now, you
>could still create those reports in access, and possible use scripting to
>force print them.  There are two possibilities there.  One, messing with
>printers/printing with client side scripting on the web is a pain.  There
>are ActiveX controls out there that make life a lot easier, but they cost
>money...not sure how much, probably at least one or two hundred.  Another
>possibility would be to create a VB FE, that runs on the clients machines.
>It's a snap to make a browser in VB, so it could just interact with the
>webpages, just like IE would.  But then when it came time for the reports,
>you run them from the server, VB 'downloads' them, and VB can then display
>or print them.  Just a thought....and a wild one at that, because I've never
>done that, but 95% of what I do in VB I've never done before! <grin>
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:01 PM
>To: Drew Wutka
>Subject: Web based Project (Dalyn Software)
>
>
>Drew,
>
>Thanks for your time today.
>
>Here is the file.  If you unzip it to a folder called C:\BWS then the FE
>will link to the BE.
>
>Call me if you have any questions (below is a free phone number to NZ).
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 13:04:55 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:04:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027184625.71673.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013401c39cbd$35cc9da0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"They are adamant" Frank

...why I love being an independent ...I can enjoy the sight of colbyizing
such "adamant" beings, dropping them into thin air sans parachute :)

...seriously Frank, you are building a trap for yourself here ...no matter
how much "simpler" you think it will be to code the separate tables, I
assure you that it isn't ...one table with status fields feeding multiple
forms through queries ...the cbf for such is enormously less convoluted than
trying to move records from one table to others dependent upon criteria
...to get any kind of reliability you'd have to use transaction processing
and that can be a bear even for experienced coders ...otoh, using queries to
read/update a single table is simplicity itself ...not to mention the much
greater data reliability :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
> one record could become corrupt if the front-end gets
> whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.
>
> Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of criteria
> as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled, and
> I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
> way of handling it.
>
> They are adamant about having one back-end table that
> contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> table that contains the records that have been
> contacted and have answered the questions, one table
> that contains the "not-interested" responses, and one
> table that contains the "call me back later"
> responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
> way, nor what they are going to do with it once it is
> complete.
>
> --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com> wrote:
> > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut Status"
> > field to the original
> > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > field. Doing it this way
> > means you never need to move the data from table to
> > table, instead just
> > change the values in those two fields. In addition,
> > there's no danger of
> > data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> > copy gets trashed /
> > corrupted.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> > to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> > go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> > record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> >
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Mon Oct 27 13:07:07 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:07:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031027184625.71673.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c39cbd$8747fda0$afb31bac@t740449>

Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the Master Table, put it into
temp and then put it into a new Table called Processed with a category
column for completed, not interested and to be contacted later.  Then create
three queries with each one giving you the full set of data for each
category.  The problem is that once you separate the data, it is hard to put
it back together again, kind of like Humpty-Dumpty, and you never know what
future requirements there may be, been there, done that, don't ever want to
do it again:(

Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
one record could become corrupt if the front-end gets
whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.

Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of criteria
as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled, and
I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
way of handling it.

They are adamant about having one back-end table that
contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
table that contains the records that have been
contacted and have answered the questions, one table
that contains the "not-interested" responses, and one
table that contains the "call me back later"
responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
way, nor what they are going to do with it once it is
complete.

--- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com> wrote:
> I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut Status"
> field to the original
> back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> field. Doing it this way
> means you never need to move the data from table to
> table, instead just
> change the values in those two fields. In addition,
> there's no danger of
> data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> copy gets trashed /
> corrupted.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Frank Tanner III
> [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > To:	Database Advisors
> > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> Question.
> > 
> > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> bloomers....hehehe
> > 
> > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > like this...
> > 
> > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> button
> > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > available record into a "make table query" to
> create a
> > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> the
> > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> will
> > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > 
> > Get Information pulls "next available record" from 
> > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table query, and stuffs 
> > it into a front-end table called tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > removes said
> record
> > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > 
> > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > to a different back-end table and the local table, 
> > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> 
> > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> Get
> > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > 
> > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > ideas?  Thank you. _______________________________________________
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 13:10:56 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:10:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FA@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <013901c39cbe$0cd71f50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer to as a "notwork" type
design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round with network engineers all
too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a design by a newbie than one
done by a network type ...most newbies can be reasoned with! :)))))))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> Is there a reason you have a big frown after thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
>
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off of the top of my
head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have mobile databases.
Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting there, in case one of
the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half replication! <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
>
>
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all over the place and
creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build rather than a
database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before and even more so now
:((((
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
>
>
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record" from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Oct 27 13:17:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:17:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FE@main2.marlow.com>

I still don't see that guarantee.  If you have a form, that gets the first
record, if it sets the flag when it pulls it, the next form opening will get
the next record, and continue the process.  It is going to take LONGER to
'peel' the records.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


That's because I *AM* a network engineer...hehehe  By
profession I tend to think modular....hehehe

My boss wants a guarantee of no overlapping.  This is
the only way I can think of doing it without coding
mountains of logic into each form that I am creating. 
The more logic I have to put in to account for every
possible contingency the larger the chance for errors
becomes.  Peeling off one record and storing it in a
temporary table will allow me to use the same logic
over and over again, plus guarantee that there will be
no overlaps.

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > >
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> >
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> >
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 13:26:49 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:26:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FA@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031027192649.77139.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
heheheh

Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
sense into people, they still wanna do what they wanna
do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do. 
Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my boss,
I lose....hehehe

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off
> of the top of my head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have
> mobile databases.  Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > >
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> >
> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 13:28:29 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:28:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <003501c39cbd$8747fda0$afb31bac@t740449>
Message-ID: <20031027192829.80658.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

That would be acceptable to me, whether or not it is
acceptable to them.  HOWEVER, it still doesn't answer
my original question.

Which was how to peel the record in the first place.

Then, regardless of how the END result is, my original
question would still remain the same.

--- Nancy Lytle <nancy.lytle at auatac.com> wrote:
> Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the
> Master Table, put it into
> temp and then put it into a new Table called
> Processed with a category
> column for completed, not interested and to be
> contacted later.  Then create
> three queries with each one giving you the full set
> of data for each
> category.  The problem is that once you separate the
> data, it is hard to put
> it back together again, kind of like Humpty-Dumpty,
> and you never know what
> future requirements there may be, been there, done
> that, don't ever want to
> do it again:(
> 
> Nancy Lytle
> EIS
> nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
> one record could become corrupt if the front-end
> gets
> whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of
> criteria
> as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled,
> and
> I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
> way of handling it.
> 
> They are adamant about having one back-end table
> that
> contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> table that contains the records that have been
> contacted and have answered the questions, one table
> that contains the "not-interested" responses, and
> one
> table that contains the "call me back later"
> responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
> way, nor what they are going to do with it once it
> is
> complete.
> 
> --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> wrote:
> > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut
> Status"
> > field to the original
> > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > field. Doing it this way
> > means you never need to move the data from table
> to
> > table, instead just
> > change the values in those two fields. In
> addition,
> > there's no danger of
> > data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> > copy gets trashed /
> > corrupted.
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Frank Tanner III
> > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > To:	Database Advisors
> > > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > > 
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> > > 
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> > to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > like this...
> > > 
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> > go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > > 
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from 
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs 
> > > it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > > removes said
> > record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > 
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table, 
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > 
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > > 
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 13:30:30 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:30:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <013901c39cbe$0cd71f50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <20031027193030.81068.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
Marketing department is.

And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe

Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I am
a firm believer in there being more than one way to
skin a cat.

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer to
> as a "notwork" type
> design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round with
> network engineers all
> too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> design by a newbie than one
> done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> reasoned with! :)))))))))
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off of the top of my
> head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have mobile databases.
> Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of
> the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> >
> >
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and
> creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build rather than a
> database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now
> :((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> >
> >
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY
> > > possibility of duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of
> > > different functions based upon the data in
> tables
> > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers
> that
> > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> > > > will
> > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> will go
> > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > > >
> > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> table
> > > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > >
> > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > > Get
> > > > Information, this process starts all over
> again.
> > > >
> > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this. 
> Any
> > > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> 
=== message truncated ===


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 13:40:02 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:40:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027193030.81068.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <016501c39cc2$1d1bb750$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...and if you went to your boss and told him that the proposed design would
almost certainly result in more problems, not less? ...but that there is a
much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs don't get there by
failing idiot detection tests :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> Marketing department is.
>
> And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
>
> Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I am
> a firm believer in there being more than one way to
> skin a cat.
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer to
> > as a "notwork" type
> > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round with
> > network engineers all
> > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > design by a newbie than one
> > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> > off of the top of my
> > head,
> > > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> > have mobile databases.
> > Even
> > > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of
> > the
> > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > much of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and
> > creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> > be much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > build rather than a
> > database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now
> > :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY
> > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> > of
> > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > tables
> > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers
> > that
> > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > customers
> > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > later go
> > > > into yet another table.
> > > >
> > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > >
> > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> > it.
> > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > other
> > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > order to
> > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > > like this...
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > > button
> > > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > > a
> > > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> > it
> > > > > will
> > > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> > will go
> > > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > > > >
> > > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> > from
> > > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> > table
> > > > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> > called
> > > > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> > record
> > > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> > table,
> > > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> > cleared/deleted.
> > > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> > of
> > > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> > the
> > > > > Get
> > > > > Information, this process starts all over
> > again.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.
> > Any
> > > > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 14:06:20 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:06:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <016501c39cc2$1d1bb750$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <20031027200620.90473.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
special needs for each of the tables being seperate. 
When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
department, do it the way you were requested" answer.

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...and if you went to your boss and told him that
> the proposed design would
> almost certainly result in more problems, not less?
> ...but that there is a
> much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs
> don't get there by
> failing idiot detection tests :)
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > Marketing department is.
> >
> > And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
> >
> > Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I
> am
> > a firm believer in there being more than one way
> to
> > skin a cat.
> >
> > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer
> to
> > > as a "notwork" type
> > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round
> with
> > > network engineers all
> > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > > design by a newbie than one
> > > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving'"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > <evilgrin>
> > > >
> > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think
> of,
> > > off of the top of my
> > > head,
> > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> actually
> > > have mobile databases.
> > > Even
> > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> sitting
> > > there, in case one of
> > > the
> > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > replication! <grin>
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: William Hindman
> > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > ...you're violating data normalization rules
> all
> > > over the place and
> > > creating
> > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> would
> > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > realize that you may not control things as
> much as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > > build rather than a
> > > database
> > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now
> > > :((((
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> avoid
> > > ANY
> > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> different
> > > tables
> > > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track
> > > of
> > > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > > tables
> > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE. 
> Customers
> > > that
> > > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > customers
> > > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > customers
> > > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > > later go
> > > > > into yet another table.
> > > > >
> > > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > possible
> > > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > someone is
> > > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> physically
> > > 'move'
> > > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status'
> of
> > > it.
> > > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > > other
> > > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > > order to
> > > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted. 
> It
> > > works
> > > > > > like this...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a back-end database table that is
> my
> 
=== message truncated ===


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:14:24 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:14:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027200620.90473.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <017e01c39cc6$ea7cc910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door ...but then I have that
choice :))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
> special needs for each of the tables being seperate.
> When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> department, do it the way you were requested" answer.
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...and if you went to your boss and told him that
> > the proposed design would
> > almost certainly result in more problems, not less?
> > ...but that there is a
> > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs
> > don't get there by
> > failing idiot detection tests :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > Marketing department is.
> > >
> > > And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
> > >
> > > Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I
> > am
> > > a firm believer in there being more than one way
> > to
> > > skin a cat.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer
> > to
> > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round
> > with
> > > > network engineers all
> > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving'"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think
> > of,
> > > > off of the top of my
> > > > head,
> > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > actually
> > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > Even
> > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > sitting
> > > > there, in case one of
> > > > the
> > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > ...you're violating data normalization rules
> > all
> > > > over the place and
> > > > creating
> > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > would
> > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > much as
> > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > > > build rather than a
> > > > database
> > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > before
> > > > and even more so now
> > > > :((((
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > > accessed
> > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > avoid
> > > > ANY
> > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > different
> > > > tables
> > > > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> > track
> > > > of
> > > > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > > > tables
> > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> > Customers
> > > > that
> > > > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > > > later go
> > > > > > into yet another table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > > possible
> > > > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > > someone is
> > > > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> > physically
> > > > 'move'
> > > > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status'
> > of
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > > > other
> > > > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.
> > It
> > > > works
> > > > > > > like this...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a back-end database table that is
> > my
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Oct 27 14:15:20 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:15:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto e-mail
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395C3@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

I have a time sheet application using SS7.0 as the BE.
I am trying to come up with a solution that will automatically send out, via
e-mail, reminders to all users who have not filled out their time sheets.

At first I thought I might create a stored procedure that used sp_OACreate
to create an ADODB.Recordset and then iterate through the recordset of tardy
users and, for each one, use xp_sendmail to alert them. This method seems
little cumbersome with all the syntax needed to use sp_OACreate effectively.

Then I thought I might create a VB Service that would do the same thing at
the desired interval, but this seemed a little much for what I was hoping
would be a simply task.

Are my only options the ones I listed above or does anyone have a better
approach.

Thanks!
JR




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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Mon Oct 27 14:15:12 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:15:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

We are on a Novel Network.  When we create a database on the sun server
downstairs, those of us with AccessXP cannot execute it from the server.
Even though we have execute rights on the server and on the files.  The
operating system on the box is Unix.  When we try to execute an mdb residing
on the server we get this message:

"Microsoft Access cannot open this file.  This file is located outside out
intranet or on an untrusted site.  Microsoft Access will not open the file
due to potential security problems.  To open the file, copy it to youro
machine or an accessible network location."  

We have to copy it to our hard drives as we use really large databases and
they won't store on any of the other servers in the department.  Those of us
with windows 2000 or windows 98 do not have any trouble executing any Access
databases on the server.  Even those created in XP.  

Can someone help us out of this situation?  Thanks.

From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Oct 27 14:19:43 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:19:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
Message-ID: <sf9d37da.063@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why they
are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I know
this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one to
'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
 
She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that uses
another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple
right?
 
I have tried : 
 
StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
 
and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime planned.
Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll of
declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
 
Thanks in advance!!!
 
John W Clark

From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:23:58 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:23:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027200620.90473.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c39cc8$480bc8f0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

OK then -- how about a compromise. Suggest that the actual work be done
using your design, and then offer to develop a short routine that splits it
into tables, as needed, for her purposes.

Susan H.


> Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
> special needs for each of the tables being seperate.
> When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> department, do it the way you were requested" answer.
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...and if you went to your boss and told him that
> > the proposed design would
> > almost certainly result in more problems, not less?
> > ...but that there is a
> > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs
> > don't get there by
> > failing idiot detection tests :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > Marketing department is.
> > >
> > > And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
> > >
> > > Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I
> > am
> > > a firm believer in there being more than one way
> > to
> > > skin a cat.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer
> > to
> > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round
> > with
> > > > network engineers all
> > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving'"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think
> > of,
> > > > off of the top of my
> > > > head,
> > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > actually
> > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > Even
> > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > sitting
> > > > there, in case one of
> > > > the
> > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > ...you're violating data normalization rules
> > all
> > > > over the place and
> > > > creating
> > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > would
> > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > much as
> > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > > > build rather than a
> > > > database
> > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > before
> > > > and even more so now
> > > > :((((
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > > accessed
> > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > avoid
> > > > ANY
> > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > different
> > > > tables
> > > > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> > track
> > > > of
> > > > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > > > tables
> > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> > Customers
> > > > that
> > > > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > > > later go
> > > > > > into yet another table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > > possible
> > > > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > > someone is
> > > > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> > physically
> > > > 'move'
> > > > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status'
> > of
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > > > other
> > > > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.
> > It
> > > > works
> > > > > > > like this...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a back-end database table that is
> > my
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 14:28:42 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:28:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <017e01c39cc6$ea7cc910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <20031027202842.37196.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>

But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
wasn't the initial thrust of my question.

My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
external table by using it to create a temporary local
table and deleting the record from the back-end
table?"

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> ...but then I have that
> choice :))))
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she
> has
> > special needs for each of the tables being
> seperate.
> > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> > department, do it the way you were requested"
> answer.
> >
> > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> that
> > > the proposed design would
> > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> less?
> > > ...but that there is a
> > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr
> VPs
> > > don't get there by
> > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > > Marketing department is.
> > > >
> > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> lose....hehe
> > > >
> > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> inflexible.  I
> > > am
> > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> way
> > > to
> > > > skin a cat.
> > > >
> > > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> refer
> > > to
> > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> round
> > > with
> > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> reworking a
> > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> be
> > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> want
> > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving'"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> after
> > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> think
> > > of,
> > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > head,
> > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > actually
> > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > Even
> > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > > sitting
> > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound
> like
> > > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > > ...you're violating data normalization
> rules
> > > all
> > > > > over the place and
> > > > > creating
> > > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > > would
> > > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > > much as
> > > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > > sounds like something a network engineer
> would
> > > > > build rather than a
> > > > > database
> > > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > > before
> > > > > and even more so now
> > > > > :((((
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > > want
> > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to
> be
> > > > > accessed
> > > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > > avoid
> > > > > ANY
> > > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > > different
> > > > > tables
> > > > > > > after processing is for marketing to
> keep
> > > track
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > different functions based upon the data
> in
> > > > > tables
> > > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> 
=== message truncated ===


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 14:31:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:31:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EA@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Use Dsum()

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!


I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why they
are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I know
this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one to
'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
 
She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that uses
another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple right?
 
I have tried : 
 
StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
 
and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime planned.
Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll of
declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
 
Thanks in advance!!!
 
John W Clark
_______________________________________________
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:33:34 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:33:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
References: <sf9d37da.063@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <019f01c39cc9$97e20f00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...why not change the form source to a query based on both tables?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!


> I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why they
> are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I know
> this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
> really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one to
> 'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
>  
> She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that uses
> another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple
> right?
>  
> I have tried : 
>  
> StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
>  
> and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
> head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime planned.
> Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll of
> declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
>  
> Thanks in advance!!!
>  
> John W Clark
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:38:18 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:38:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027202842.37196.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006601c39cca$43435980$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Frank -- you can run an SQL statement against an external table. You could
run a Make Table, referencing the external table for the record you need and
then saving it locally. Then, run a DELETE against the back-end table.

Susan H.


> But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
> wasn't the initial thrust of my question.
>
> My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
> external table by using it to create a temporary local
> table and deleting the record from the back-end
> table?"
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> > ...but then I have that
> > choice :))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she
> > has
> > > special needs for each of the tables being
> > seperate.
> > > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> > > department, do it the way you were requested"
> > answer.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> > that
> > > > the proposed design would
> > > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> > less?
> > > > ...but that there is a
> > > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr
> > VPs
> > > > don't get there by
> > > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > > > Marketing department is.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> > lose....hehe
> > > > >
> > > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> > inflexible.  I
> > > > am
> > > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > > skin a cat.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> > refer
> > > > to
> > > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> > round
> > > > with
> > > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> > reworking a
> > > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> > be
> > > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving'"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> > after
> > > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> > think
> > > > of,
> > > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > > head,
> > > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > > actually
> > > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > > Even
> > > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > > > sitting
> > > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound
> > like
> > > > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > > > ...you're violating data normalization
> > rules
> > > > all
> > > > > > over the place and
> > > > > > creating
> > > > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > > > would
> > > > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > > > much as
> > > > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > > > sounds like something a network engineer
> > would
> > > > > > build rather than a
> > > > > > database
> > > > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > > > before
> > > > > > and even more so now
> > > > > > :((((
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > > > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to
> > be
> > > > > > accessed
> > > > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > > > avoid
> > > > > > ANY
> > > > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > > > different
> > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > after processing is for marketing to
> > keep
> > > > track
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > different functions based upon the data
> > in
> > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 14:39:08 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:39:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
References: <20031027202842.37196.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01a801c39cca$60f658b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...cmdbutton calls a function that runs two docmd queries 1) make table  2)
del fm BE table where the criteria is the record in the table you just
created ...HTH :)

...you can also do this in SQL but I've never found a reason to prefer that
over simple queries :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


> But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
> wasn't the initial thrust of my question.
>
> My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
> external table by using it to create a temporary local
> table and deleting the record from the back-end
> table?"
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> > ...but then I have that
> > choice :))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she
> > has
> > > special needs for each of the tables being
> > seperate.
> > > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> > > department, do it the way you were requested"
> > answer.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> > that
> > > > the proposed design would
> > > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> > less?
> > > > ...but that there is a
> > > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr
> > VPs
> > > > don't get there by
> > > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > > > Marketing department is.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> > lose....hehe
> > > > >
> > > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> > inflexible.  I
> > > > am
> > > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > > skin a cat.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> > refer
> > > > to
> > > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> > round
> > > > with
> > > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> > reworking a
> > > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> > be
> > > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving'"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> > after
> > > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> > think
> > > > of,
> > > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > > head,
> > > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > > actually
> > > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > > Even
> > > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > > > sitting
> > > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound
> > like
> > > > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > > > ...you're violating data normalization
> > rules
> > > > all
> > > > > > over the place and
> > > > > > creating
> > > > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > > > would
> > > > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > > > much as
> > > > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > > > sounds like something a network engineer
> > would
> > > > > > build rather than a
> > > > > > database
> > > > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > > > before
> > > > > > and even more so now
> > > > > > :((((
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > > > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to
> > be
> > > > > > accessed
> > > > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > > > avoid
> > > > > > ANY
> > > > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > > > different
> > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > after processing is for marketing to
> > keep
> > > > track
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > different functions based upon the data
> > in
> > > > > > tables
> > > > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 27 14:46:04 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:46:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031027202842.37196.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJCFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Frank,

You don't 'Peel off" a record.  You can use a SQL statement to select a
record.  Then turn that query into a make table query.  Once the query has
run, run a second query that deletes the record in the original table.

Too bad you have to deal with an idiot.  Doing it this way really is bad
design, and could potentially lead to problems (in a multi-user system)
where two people manage to get the same record because it is still there
while you are doing the make table query.  In fact I'd advise you add that
"in use" flag to the table so that you can set that flag to prevent anyone
else getting the same record.

I have had to fire clients where the client dictated the design to that
level.  They never know what they are doing, and they always blame you when
it doesn't work as they thought it would.

Good luck!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
wasn't the initial thrust of my question.

My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
external table by using it to create a temporary local
table and deleting the record from the back-end
table?"

--- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> ...but then I have that
> choice :))))
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she
> has
> > special needs for each of the tables being
> seperate.
> > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> > department, do it the way you were requested"
> answer.
> >
> > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> that
> > > the proposed design would
> > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> less?
> > > ...but that there is a
> > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr
> VPs
> > > don't get there by
> > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > > Marketing department is.
> > > >
> > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> lose....hehe
> > > >
> > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> inflexible.  I
> > > am
> > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> way
> > > to
> > > > skin a cat.
> > > >
> > > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> refer
> > > to
> > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> round
> > > with
> > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> reworking a
> > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> be
> > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> want
> > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving'"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> after
> > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> think
> > > of,
> > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > head,
> > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > actually
> > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > Even
> > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > > sitting
> > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound
> like
> > > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > > ...you're violating data normalization
> rules
> > > all
> > > > > over the place and
> > > > > creating
> > > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > > would
> > > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > > much as
> > > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > > sounds like something a network engineer
> would
> > > > > build rather than a
> > > > > database
> > > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > > before
> > > > > and even more so now
> > > > > :((((
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > > want
> > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > > Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to
> be
> > > > > accessed
> > > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > > avoid
> > > > > ANY
> > > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > > different
> > > > > tables
> > > > > > > after processing is for marketing to
> keep
> > > track
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > different functions based upon the data
> in
> > > > > tables
> > > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon Oct 27 14:56:28 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:56:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7BF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Don't want to jinx myself but it looks like this did the trick.  I did a whois search on smarter.com at geektools.com and sent them a nasty e-mail. That'll teach'em!!

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)


Ditto, even if it doesn't detect it as a problem you can go into the
advanced mode and use the tools to find it. Check out the ActiveX and BHOs.
It's probably listed there. You can toggle the BHOs on and off. The ActiveXs
you'll want to remove.

HTH
jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> Try spybot-search & destroy.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does
> anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that
> continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to
> see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools |
> Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).
>
> I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Oct 27 15:06:56 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:06:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
Message-ID: <sf9d42bd.099@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

I suggested this, but she doesn't get it...and I don't have time to do
it right now. So, if I can just give her a quick answer for now, and
then dodge her for a few days, I'll be good to go. 
 
However, my headache has started to ease, and with it I have gained
some clarity. I am realizing how stupid my approach was--even if I could
find the proper syntax to reference the table, it still won't work. I
think I'll just have to be mean and tell her she is doing it wrong, and
that I can help her re-work it, but she will have to wait a few days.


>>> wdhindman at bellsouth.net 10/27/03 03:33PM >>>
...why not change the form source to a query based on both tables?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!


> I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why
they
> are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I
know
> this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
> really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one
to
> 'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
>  
> She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that
uses
> another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple
> right?
>  
> I have tried : 
>  
> StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
>  
> and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
> head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime
planned.
> Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll
of
> declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
>  
> Thanks in advance!!!
>  
> John W Clark
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 15:15:49 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:15:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
References: <sf9d42bd.099@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <01e301c39ccf$7f18c940$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"I don't have time to do it right now" John

...what? ...three minutes at the most and you're DONE! ...you'd rather argue
with her? ...must not be my day :((((

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!


> I suggested this, but she doesn't get it...and I don't have time to do
> it right now. So, if I can just give her a quick answer for now, and
> then dodge her for a few days, I'll be good to go.
>
> However, my headache has started to ease, and with it I have gained
> some clarity. I am realizing how stupid my approach was--even if I could
> find the proper syntax to reference the table, it still won't work. I
> think I'll just have to be mean and tell her she is doing it wrong, and
> that I can help her re-work it, but she will have to wait a few days.
>
>
> >>> wdhindman at bellsouth.net 10/27/03 03:33PM >>>
> ...why not change the form source to a query based on both tables?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:19 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
>
>
> > I am trying to help someone with their DB...I don't even know why
> they
> > are doing one, because it is the secretary and not a programmer...I
> know
> > this because I am the only one (sort of). In any event, I am running
> > really behind on another project...as usual...and just want this one
> to
> > 'go away' for the moment. Which leads me to my stupid question.....
> >
> > She wants to bring a balance over from one table into a form that
> uses
> > another table as its source. How do I reference the field? Simple
> > right?
> >
> > I have tried :
> >
> > StartBal = Tables![AcctBalances]![AcctBal]
> >
> > and it 'does not recognize the field 'Tables'.  Keep in mind that my
> > head is throbbing at the moment, and I have a night of overtime
> planned.
> > Please tell me that I don't have to go through the whole rigamaroll
> of
> > declaring the Database and Tabledefs.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!!!
> >
> > John W Clark
> > _______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 15:16:22 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:16:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Dumb one for ya!
In-Reply-To: <sf9d42bd.099@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <3F9E17C6.28626.71C13@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 16:06, John Clark wrote:

> I suggested this, but she doesn't get it...and I don't have time to do
> it right now. So, if I can just give her a quick answer for now, and
> then dodge her for a few days, I'll be good to go. 
>  
> However, my headache has started to ease, and with it I have gained
> some clarity. I am realizing how stupid my approach was--even if I could
> find the proper syntax to reference the table, it still won't work. I
> think I'll just have to be mean and tell her she is doing it wrong, and
> that I can help her re-work it, but she will have to wait a few days.
> 

Just tell her to look at DLoookup in Help.

 
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From greggs at msn.com  Mon Oct 27 15:39:07 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:39:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Auto e-mail
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395C3@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIMEFCDCAA.greggs@msn.com>

I don't even know what sp_AOCreate is.  But I have done what you're talking
about in VBA.  I just linked the SS table to Access and cycle through the
recordset looking for tardy users and use Sendobject when I find one.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Auto e-mail


Hi All,

I have a time sheet application using SS7.0 as the BE.
I am trying to come up with a solution that will automatically send out, via
e-mail, reminders to all users who have not filled out their time sheets.

At first I thought I might create a stored procedure that used sp_OACreate
to create an ADODB.Recordset and then iterate through the recordset of tardy
users and, for each one, use xp_sendmail to alert them. This method seems
little cumbersome with all the syntax needed to use sp_OACreate effectively.

Then I thought I might create a VB Service that would do the same thing at
the desired interval, but this seemed a little much for what I was hoping
would be a simply task.

Are my only options the ones I listed above or does anyone have a better
approach.

Thanks!
JR




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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 27 15:34:35 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:34:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <BAY2-F237bcHme0VxqQ0000c9e6@hotmail.com>

>My question was, "How can I peel off one record of an
>external table by using it to create a temporary local
>table and deleting the record from the back-end
>table?"


Hopefuly you have a unique key?

Run a Make Table query or delete / append queries to create the local copy 
of the record. Then a delete query against the main shared table.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 15:35:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:35:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
Message-ID: <3F9E1C5B.6687.1901FA@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 15:15, Klos, Susan wrote:

> 
> We have to copy it to our hard drives as we use really large databases and
> they won't store on any of the other servers in the department.  Those of us
> with windows 2000 or windows 98 do not have any trouble executing any Access
> databases on the server.  Even those created in XP.  
> 

Upgrade the workstations from XP to 2000 :-)
(I won't let my clients use XP - I've seen too many problems with it, 
especially in mixed OS networks)


 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 15:35:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:35:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Auto e-mail
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395C3@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <3F9E1C5B.5893.1901D2@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 15:15, Joe Rojas wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a time sheet application using SS7.0 as the BE.
> I am trying to come up with a solution that will automatically send out, via
> e-mail, reminders to all users who have not filled out their time sheets.
> 
> At first I thought I might create a stored procedure that used sp_OACreate
> to create an ADODB.Recordset and then iterate through the recordset of tardy
> users and, for each one, use xp_sendmail to alert them. This method seems
> little cumbersome with all the syntax needed to use sp_OACreate effectively.
> 
> Then I thought I might create a VB Service that would do the same thing at
> the desired interval, but this seemed a little much for what I was hoping
> would be a simply task.
> 
> Are my only options the ones I listed above or does anyone have a better
> approach.
> 
>

How about an Access solution (after all this is the Access list<g>)

Either link to a view ro create use a passthrough query to pull the 
recordset from the SP.

Set an Autoexec macro to RunCode and call a function which opens the 
RS and steps through it using DoCmd.SendObject (if you are going to 
have an email client available and open on the executing machine, or 
use Blat or some other similar app/dll)  followed by a Quit

Then schedule Access to open the mdb ervery night/morning
or run the code the first time the application is opened each day

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 15:35:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:35:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031027192649.77139.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273FA@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3F9E1C5B.28352.190222@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 11:26, Frank Tanner III wrote:

> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
> heheheh
> 

Or to quote the original (Alfred, Lord Tennyson)

Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
 Rode the six hundred.
 
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 15:37:43 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:37:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
	A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous - access question
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMENJFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

How would I go about reading an OLE Object field type from a table and
present it for display on an unbound  form?

John B.

It looks like "silly" and "dumb" are the keywords to getting a response
today
:o)



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 15:37:44 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:37:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7BF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOENJFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Good to see it worked for you. I've had real good luck sending requests to
ISPs that they check out suspicious activity. I guess if you send enough
info they tak it seriously. Hopefully "smarter.com" will be that smart!

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> Don't want to jinx myself but it looks like this did the trick.
> I did a whois search on smarter.com at geektools.com and sent
> them a nasty e-mail. That'll teach'em!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director Product Development
> Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
>
>
> Ditto, even if it doesn't detect it as a problem you can go into the
> advanced mode and use the tools to find it. Check out the ActiveX
> and BHOs.
> It's probably listed there. You can toggle the BHOs on and off.
> The ActiveXs
> you'll want to remove.
>
> HTH
> jb
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:18 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
> >
> >
> > Try spybot-search & destroy.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:14 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] While we're on the subject (was Virus mail)
> >
> >
> > I'm been trying fix a browser hijacking on my main office PC.  Does
> > anyone know how to get rid of the smarter.com search bar that
> > continually opens when I do a google search?  I tried to google it to
> > see what I could find but the only solution does not work (Tools |
> > Internet Options | Programs Tab | Reset Web Settings...).
> >
> > I even ran AdAware and it didn't seem to get rid of it either.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 27 15:41:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:41:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -
	access question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is there a reason you have it stored as an OLE object in the table
instead of just storing the name of the file?  In the latter case, you
could use an image control and set its picture property to the path and
filename of the object.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:38 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -
access question


How would I go about reading an OLE Object field type from a table and
present it for display on an unbound  form?

John B.

It looks like "silly" and "dumb" are the keywords to getting a response
today
:o)


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 15:48:47 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:48:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
Message-ID: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

   Dear List:

I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which are printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate header text.

I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far, so good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic properties for each piece of boilerplate.  

Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with the detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that because the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:

(bullet)  Text One.
(bullet)  Text Two.

It comes out like this:

             Text One.
(bullet)
             Text Two.
(bullet)

Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted list in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct 27 15:57:58 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:57:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7853@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Frank,

You have my sympathy. Nothing worse (or more stupid and counterproductive)
that a "senior management" walla who does not know how to design a database
but is arrogant enough to tell you that it has to be done "this way". I
wonder if she would be just as willing to tell an aeronautics engineer how
to design a wing as she is evidently prepared to tell you how to design a
database.

Depending on what level of oligarchic management is in you company I'd still
say that you should at least go on record as saying that the database way to
do it is "This" and the marketing department's way is "That", and as they
decline to share with you what their reasons are you are hampered in
building a database that will do what they want in an efficient manner. 

Management has no excuse for hiding from you their reasons for wanting a
certain result. Without knowing what they want and why you cannot hope to
make a system for them that will work. It is fundamentally "your department"
to know the whys and wherefores of their hopes for a developing software
system. To keep you in the dark is to guarantee that trouble will be the end
result, sooner ot later.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Frank Tanner III [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
> special needs for each of the tables being seperate. 
> When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
> department, do it the way you were requested" answer.
> 
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...and if you went to your boss and told him that
> > the proposed design would
> > almost certainly result in more problems, not less?
> > ...but that there is a
> > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most Sr VPs
> > don't get there by
> > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > 
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one.  The
> > > Marketing department is.
> > >
> > > And since their boss is my boss, I lose....hehe
> > >
> > > Not all of us network engineers are inflexible.  I
> > am
> > > a firm believer in there being more than one way
> > to
> > > skin a cat.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly refer
> > to
> > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and round
> > with
> > > > network engineers all
> > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on reworking a
> > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can be
> > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving'"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think
> > of,
> > > > off of the top of my
> > > > head,
> > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > actually
> > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > Even
> > > > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> > sitting
> > > > there, in case one of
> > > > the
> > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > > > much of a "reason" at all
> > > > > ...you're violating data normalization rules
> > all
> > > > over the place and
> > > > creating
> > > > > tables where a simple flag field and query
> > would
> > > > be much more apropos ...I
> > > > > realize that you may not control things as
> > much as
> > > > you'd like but this
> > > > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > > > build rather than a
> > > > database
> > > > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> > before
> > > > and even more so now
> > > > :((((
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > > accessed
> > > > > > by several people at once and we want to
> > avoid
> > > > ANY
> > > > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason why we're moving them to
> > different
> > > > tables
> > > > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> > track
> > > > of
> > > > > > different functions based upon the data in
> > > > tables
> > > > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE. 
> > Customers
> > > > that
> > > > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > > customers
> > > > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > > > later go
> > > > > > into yet another table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > > possible
> > > > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > > someone is
> > > > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> > physically
> > > > 'move'
> > > > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status'
> > of
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> > > > other
> > > > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > > Question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted. 
> > It
> > > > works
> > > > > > > like this...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a back-end database table that is
> > my
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 15:58:34 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:58:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not concatenate
it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


   Dear List:

I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which are
printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate
header text.

I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far, so
good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
properties for each piece of boilerplate.

Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with the
detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the
label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that because
the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:

(bullet)  Text One.
(bullet)  Text Two.

It comes out like this:

             Text One.
(bullet)
             Text Two.
(bullet)

Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted list
in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 16:10:50 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:10:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -access
	question
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAENMFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Charlotte,
Thanks for responding. Yes there is a reason it is stored. It is the only
image I store in any of my database apps. The rest I use from files as you
suggested. This is probably why I don't have a clue as to what to do here.

I could spend a couple of hours reading up on it but I thought somebody here
would have some experience in doing this and be able to point me in the
right direction :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
> -access question
>
>
> Is there a reason you have it stored as an OLE object in the table
> instead of just storing the name of the file?  In the latter case, you
> could use an image control and set its picture property to the path and
> filename of the object.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:38 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -
> access question
>
>
> How would I go about reading an OLE Object field type from a table and
> present it for display on an unbound  form?
>
> John B.
>
> It looks like "silly" and "dumb" are the keywords to getting a response
> today
> :o)
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 16:30:07 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:30:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous -access
	question
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAENMFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EB@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F9E290F.2830.3C3BE99@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 16:10, John Bartow wrote:

> Hi Charlotte,
> Thanks for responding. Yes there is a reason it is stored. It is the only
> image I store in any of my database apps. The rest I use from files as you
> suggested. This is probably why I don't have a clue as to what to do here.
> 
> I could spend a couple of hours reading up on it but I thought somebody here
> would have some experience in doing this and be able to point me in the
> right direction :o)
> 

Just drop a Bound Object Frame on the form and set it's source to 
=DLookup("myImage","MyTable")

-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon Oct 27 16:41:09 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:41:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJCFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031027224109.31898.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately, since I work for the company, I cannot
fire the company....hehehe  Although many times I
would have liked to.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> You don't 'Peel off" a record.  You can use a SQL
> statement to select a
> record.  Then turn that query into a make table
> query.  Once the query has
> run, run a second query that deletes the record in
> the original table.
> 
> Too bad you have to deal with an idiot.  Doing it
> this way really is bad
> design, and could potentially lead to problems (in a
> multi-user system)
> where two people manage to get the same record
> because it is still there
> while you are doing the make table query.  In fact
> I'd advise you add that
> "in use" flag to the table so that you can set that
> flag to prevent anyone
> else getting the same record.
> 
> I have had to fire clients where the client dictated
> the design to that
> level.  They never know what they are doing, and
> they always blame you when
> it doesn't work as they thought it would.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:29 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> But.....What happens to the data on the back-end
> wasn't the initial thrust of my question.
> 
> My question was, "How can I peel off one record of
> an
> external table by using it to create a temporary
> local
> table and deleting the record from the back-end
> table?"
> 
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...well you're stuck ...me, I'd be out the door
> > ...but then I have that
> > choice :))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently
> she
> > has
> > > special needs for each of the tables being
> > seperate.
> > > When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern
> or
> > > department, do it the way you were requested"
> > answer.
> > >
> > > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > ...and if you went to your boss and told him
> > that
> > > > the proposed design would
> > > > almost certainly result in more problems, not
> > less?
> > > > ...but that there is a
> > > > much simpler way to do it that won't ...most
> Sr
> > VPs
> > > > don't get there by
> > > > failing idiot detection tests :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> want
> > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In this case, I'm not the inflexible one. 
> The
> > > > > Marketing department is.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since their boss is my boss, I
> > lose....hehe
> > > > >
> > > > > Not all of us network engineers are
> > inflexible.  I
> > > > am
> > > > > a firm believer in there being more than one
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > > skin a cat.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- William Hindman
> <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ...nah ...I was frowning at what I kindly
> > refer
> > > > to
> > > > > > as a "notwork" type
> > > > > > design! ...sorry Frank but I go round and
> > round
> > > > with
> > > > > > network engineers all
> > > > > > too frequently ...I'd rather take on
> > reworking a
> > > > > > design by a newbie than one
> > > > > > done by a network type ...most newbies can
> > be
> > > > > > reasoned with! :)))))))))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you
> > want
> > > > > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving'"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > > > Question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown
> > after
> > > > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > > > > <evilgrin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can
> > think
> > > > of,
> > > > > > off of the top of my
> > > > > > head,
> > > > > > > for 'moving' records around, is if you
> > > > actually
> > > > > > have mobile databases.
> > > > > > Even
> > > > > > > then, you would still want a 'master
> copy'
> > > > sitting
> > > > > > there, in case one of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's
> half
> > > > > > replication! <grin>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: William Hindman
> > > > > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another
> Silly
> 
=== message truncated ===


From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Oct 27 17:31:33 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:31:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2.0 (yes 2.0) and SQL Server 2000
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0B1@TAPPEEXCH01>

I have been keeping a fairly substantial legacy app alive for a while now,
that uses Access 2.0 as its front-end and SQL Server 2000 as its back-end.
It has a couple of continuous forms that use pass-through queries as a
recordsource.
 
It seems that lately (although this problem may have existed for a while
without my knowledge), when these forms are left open for 30-60 seconds
without any activity, the users receive the following errors:
 
ODBC-call failed.
[Microsoft][ODBC DLL]Function sequence error (#0)
 
Doing an intensive Google search, I determined that this message may be the
result of thunking between a single-threaded driver (16-bit ODBC.DLL) and a
multi-threaded driver (32-bit SQLSRV32.DLL).  One suggestion was to add the
following entry to the msacc20.ini file:
 
[ODBC]
DisableAsync=1
 
This is supposed to disable asynchronous processing, but I still get the
same error.  
 
I know that this is a shot in the dark, but there has to be someone out
there who has experienced this.  Any ideas?

Brett Barabash, MCP 
Tappe Construction, Co. 
Eagan, MN 
bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com 
(651) 256-6831 

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 17:33:12 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:33:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
	-accessquestion
In-Reply-To: <3F9E290F.2830.3C3BE99@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEHLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Stuart:
I store application information in a table. One piece of info I store is a
graphic (as an OLE object field). I have always diplayed this on my SysInfo
form, which was a bound form. Since I use the exact same table and SysInfo
form in every application I create, I moved it to my common code library. I
changed the entire form to work from the library and had to change the
fields drawn from the table to unbound. Everything works fine now EXCEPT the
graphic. The graphic will always be stored in the table and will not be
moved to being kept as a file.

So the question is, how do I go about reading an OLE field from the table
and presenting it for display on an unbound form?
I am trying to read it into a variant and place it into an unbound object
frame. I am not succeeding.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
> -accessquestion
>
>
> On 27 Oct 2003 at 16:10, John Bartow wrote:
>
> > Hi Charlotte,
> > Thanks for responding. Yes there is a reason it is stored. It
> is the only
> > image I store in any of my database apps. The rest I use from
> files as you
> > suggested. This is probably why I don't have a clue as to what
> to do here.
> >
> > I could spend a couple of hours reading up on it but I thought
> somebody here
> > would have some experience in doing this and be able to point me in the
> > right direction :o)
> >
>
> Just drop a Bound Object Frame on the form and set it's source to
> =DLookup("myImage","MyTable")
>
> --
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 27 18:13:30 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:13:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
	-accessquestion
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEHLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <3F9E290F.2830.3C3BE99@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F9E414A.4491.4226B7E@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 17:33, John Bartow wrote:

> Hi Stuart:
> I store application information in a table. One piece of info I store is a
> graphic (as an OLE object field). I have always diplayed this on my SysInfo
> form, which was a bound form. Since I use the exact same table and SysInfo
> form in every application I create, I moved it to my common code library. I
> changed the entire form to work from the library and had to change the
> fields drawn from the table to unbound. Everything works fine now EXCEPT the
> graphic. The graphic will always be stored in the table and will not be
> moved to being kept as a file.
> 
> So the question is, how do I go about reading an OLE field from the table
> and presenting it for display on an unbound form?
> I am trying to read it into a variant and place it into an unbound object
> frame. I am not succeeding.
> 

Doesn't matter whether the form is bound or not. Still use a Bound Object 
Frame and assign it's source to the field in the table using DLookup. It 
will work.
-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Oct 27 18:18:03 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:18:03 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even
	ridiculous-accessquestion
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEHLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00b001c39ce8$f44ae2c0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi John

Change your OLE Control on the form to a Bound OLE Control
(This worked for me)

Assume you have a table called tblTable1
In it is an OLE Field already populated with say...a bitmap file.
The field name in the tblTable1 is OLE_THINGY (Data Type = OLE Object)

Try
Private Sub MyButton_Click()

Dim varOLETHING As Variant
varOLETHING = DLookup("[OLE_THINGY]", "tblTable1")
Me.MyOLEBoundObjectFrameOnMyForm = varOLETHING

End sub

HTH

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous-accessquestion


> Hi Stuart:
> I store application information in a table. One piece of info I store is a
> graphic (as an OLE object field). I have always diplayed this on my SysInfo
> form, which was a bound form. Since I use the exact same table and SysInfo
> form in every application I create, I moved it to my common code library. I
> changed the entire form to work from the library and had to change the
> fields drawn from the table to unbound. Everything works fine now EXCEPT the
> graphic. The graphic will always be stored in the table and will not be
> moved to being kept as a file.
> 
> So the question is, how do I go about reading an OLE field from the table
> and presenting it for display on an unbound form?
> I am trying to read it into a variant and place it into an unbound object
> frame. I am not succeeding.
> 
> JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:30 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even ridiculous
> > -accessquestion
> >
> >
> > On 27 Oct 2003 at 16:10, John Bartow wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Charlotte,
> > > Thanks for responding. Yes there is a reason it is stored. It
> > is the only
> > > image I store in any of my database apps. The rest I use from
> > files as you
> > > suggested. This is probably why I don't have a clue as to what
> > to do here.
> > >
> > > I could spend a couple of hours reading up on it but I thought
> > somebody here
> > > would have some experience in doing this and be able to point me in the
> > > right direction :o)
> > >
> >
> > Just drop a Bound Object Frame on the form and set it's source to
> > =DLookup("myImage","MyTable")
> >
> > --
> > Stuart McLachlan
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct 27 18:26:12 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADMINISTRIVIA - PLEASE READ
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCENLDGAA.askolits@ot.com>
References: <3F9C0759.8128.5C0DC@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F9D7154.19611.22C93AB@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 10:45, John Skolits wrote:

> Can you tell us which code was posted? I'm worried that maybe it was
> some code I posted.

John,

It was some code from Visual Basic Language Developer's Handbook, the 
companion book to ADH.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier.



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 18:52:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:52:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in Tribble's
	Relinker
Message-ID: <02a501c39ced$c25fdb30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>


Dear List:

I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to modify
this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster over
a network?

MTIA and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software


From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Oct 27 18:55:36 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:55:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <200310272130.h9RLUo604718@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031027185406.014757e8@pop3.highstream.net>

Frank,

Do it the correct way, with one table.
Hide it.
Give 3 queries that give her the data
each way she wanted to see it.

Robert

At 03:30 PM 10/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:06:20 -0800 (PST)
>From: Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20031027200620.90473.qmail at web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Unfortunately, in this case, yes.  Apparently she has
>special needs for each of the tables being seperate.
>When I ask her why, I get the "not your concern or
>department, do it the way you were requested" answer.


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 27 19:13:18 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:13:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even
	ridiculous-accessquestion
In-Reply-To: <3F9E414A.4491.4226B7E@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEHNEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks to everyone for helping me out!

I changed the control type to bound and everything works fine now.

Dim varAppIcon As Variant
With rstTemp
	.Edit
      strAppName = !fldAppName
      strVersion = !fldVersion
      varAppIcon = !fldAppIcon
	etc...
      .Close
End With
Me.imgAppIcon = varAppIcon

Thanks again!
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A really silly and dumb - maybe even
> ridiculous-accessquestion
>
>
> On 27 Oct 2003 at 17:33, John Bartow wrote:
>
> > Hi Stuart:
> > I store application information in a table. One piece of info I
> store is a
> > graphic (as an OLE object field). I have always diplayed this
> on my SysInfo
> > form, which was a bound form. Since I use the exact same table
> and SysInfo
> > form in every application I create, I moved it to my common
> code library. I
> > changed the entire form to work from the library and had to change the
> > fields drawn from the table to unbound. Everything works fine
> now EXCEPT the
> > graphic. The graphic will always be stored in the table and will not be
> > moved to being kept as a file.
> >
> > So the question is, how do I go about reading an OLE field from
> the table
> > and presenting it for display on an unbound form?
> > I am trying to read it into a variant and place it into an
> unbound object
> > frame. I am not succeeding.
> >
>
> Doesn't matter whether the form is bound or not. Still use a Bound Object
> Frame and assign it's source to the field in the table using DLookup. It
> will work.
> --
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 27 19:27:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:27:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
	Tribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <02a501c39ced$c25fdb30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJNFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Rocky,

Here's what I did:

*********
On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::

Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset per
BE to speed up db
'compiler directive for the logger
#Const LogIt = True
#Const TimeIt = False

*********
Then add in a new function below:

'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the Table.
' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
'
' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String) As
Boolean
   Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
   Dim var As Variant

   On Error Resume Next
   Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
   If err <> 0 Then
      fLinkIsValidNew = False
   Else
      fLinkIsValidNew = True
      'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
      colRst.Add rst, db.Name
   End If
   On Error GoTo 0

End Function

*********
Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name as
the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset, but
won't accept any others because the key would be the same.


*********
On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:

         LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
#Const TestNew = True
#If TestNew Then
         If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
#Else
         If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
#End If
            'LogResult "[OK]"
            '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
            '.valid table link is found.
            If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then

*********
Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function instead
of the old.

That should do it for you.  Let me know.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
Tribble'sRelinker



Dear List:

I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to modify
this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster over
a network?

MTIA and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Oct 27 19:51:32 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:51:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
Message-ID: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>

On 27 Oct 2003 at 15:15, Klos, Susan wrote:

> We are on a Novel Network.  When we create a database on the sun
> server downstairs, those of us with AccessXP cannot execute it from
> the server. Even though we have execute rights on the server and on
> the files.  The operating system on the box is Unix.  When we try to
> execute an mdb residing on the server we get this message:
> 
> "Microsoft Access cannot open this file.  This file is located outside
> out intranet or on an untrusted site.  Microsoft Access will not open
> the file due to potential security problems.  To open the file, copy
> it to youro machine or an accessible network location."  

> Can someone help us out of this situation?  Thanks.

I'm not sure how the Sun box is connected to the Novell network, but 
*IF* it running Samba to get it connected to the network, then I 
*THINK* it may have something to do with the version of Samba or one 
of the settings in the Samba config file on the Sun box.

I seem to recall reading something like this a while back. It may 
have been fixed by V3.0 of Samba

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend 
will be sitting next to you saying ^Damn... We ****ed up.^



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 23:44:21 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:44:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging indent -
that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with the
bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to the
text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted list in
a Word doc.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not concatenate
> it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
>    Dear List:
>
> I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which are
> printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate
> header text.
>
> I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far,
so
> good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> properties for each piece of boilerplate.
>
> Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with the
> detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the
> label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that because
> the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
>
> (bullet)  Text One.
> (bullet)  Text Two.
>
> It comes out like this:
>
>              Text One.
> (bullet)
>              Text Two.
> (bullet)
>
> Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted list
> in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 01:35:57 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:35:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: 	<018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...picky, picky, picky :)
...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with your
text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
indent -
> that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with the
> bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to the
> text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted list
in
> a Word doc.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
concatenate
> > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> >    Dear List:
> >
> > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
are
> > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate
> > header text.
> >
> > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far,
> so
> > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> >
> > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
the
> > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the
> > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
because
> > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> >
> > (bullet)  Text One.
> > (bullet)  Text Two.
> >
> > It comes out like this:
> >
> >              Text One.
> > (bullet)
> >              Text Two.
> > (bullet)
> >
> > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
list
> > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 28 02:49:22 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:49:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>
References: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>
Message-ID: <1052928150.20031028094922@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

Samba is not related to a Novell network. It is for letting a Linux
server acting as a Windows server in a Windows environment.

/gustav


> I'm not sure how the Sun box is connected to the Novell network, but
> *IF* it running Samba to get it connected to the network, then I 
> *THINK* it may have something to do with the version of Samba or one 
> of the settings in the Samba config file on the Sun box.

> I seem to recall reading something like this a while back. It may 
> have been fixed by V3.0 of Samba


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 28 03:16:33 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:16:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
References: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2511@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
Message-ID: <1654559065.20031028101633@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

You mean "launch"? Execute right is for executable files (.exe, .com)
which an mdb file is not.

Make sure you are granted at least read right for the mdb file which
you probably have as you can copy the file. Further, you must have
read/write right for the ldb file and create right if any user are
granted delete right for ldb files.

Also, are you able to create a new mdb file on that server?

However, if you can go to a Win2000 machine and log in using your
normal account and launch the mdb file successfully with Access XP,
then this looks like a Windows XP problem which I would pass to your
notwork people.

/gustav


> We are on a Novel Network.  When we create a database on the sun server
> downstairs, those of us with AccessXP cannot execute it from the server.
> Even though we have execute rights on the server and on the files.  The
> operating system on the box is Unix.  When we try to execute an mdb residing
> on the server we get this message:

> "Microsoft Access cannot open this file.  This file is located outside out
> intranet or on an untrusted site.  Microsoft Access will not open the file
> due to potential security problems.  To open the file, copy it to youro
> machine or an accessible network location."  

> We have to copy it to our hard drives as we use really large databases and
> they won't store on any of the other servers in the department.  Those of us
> with windows 2000 or windows 98 do not have any trouble executing any Access
> databases on the server.  Even those created in XP.  

> Can someone help us out of this situation?  Thanks.


From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue Oct 28 03:39:34 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:39:34 +0100
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
Message-ID: <OF4E7ADCDC.3DD35C22-ONC1256DCD.00350ED9@achmea.nl>

Robert,

Thanks. I will install MSDE and keep you and the group posted about my
findings.

Gr. marcel




"Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
22-10-2003 17:56:34

Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com


Aan:  accessd at databaseadvisors.com
cc:   marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??


Marcel,

Looks like you are doing everything right.

Since you are using 2000, I would explore using
the MSDE for the backend.  You would be fine on
the number of users it is designed for.  Then I
would convert everything to an ADP and use ADO.
I have found that on one of my large forms, 8
subforms with 2 sub-subforms, in MDE it loaded
in about 15 seconds, in ADP < 2 seconds.

Sorry that I cannot give you any more advise than
that.

Robert

At 08:45 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:25 +0200
>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <OFBDBE24B3.31190D20-ONC1256DC6.00304900 at achmea.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Robert,
>
>    The FE is always an MDE and is 11MB in size. De BE is always een MDB
>    which differs from 24 to 150 MB
>    Generaly there are five users who are updating and entering data and
>    about 2 users who only read data
>    The FE is always local on the computers. The BE is always in f:
>    \oop\oopdata.mdb
>     Alle forms are showing a limited no of records and are never bounded
to
>    a table
>
>
>Thanks Marcel


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct 28 04:32:21 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:32:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <1052928150.20031028094922@cactus.dk>
References: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F9DFF65.29193.164DB1@localhost>

On 28 Oct 2003 at 9:49, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Samba is not related to a Novell network. It is for letting a Linux
> server acting as a Windows server in a Windows environment.

I wasn't sure if you needed Samba to hook up a *nix box to a Novell 
Network or not, that's why I threw it out there.

But that's not all Samba is for. You can use it to have full 
Read/Write permissions on remote  NTFS drives under Linux. Linux has 
built in Read capabilities for mounted NTFS drives, but not write. If 
you install Samba, you get the write abilities because you end up 
mounting an SMB drive and not an NTFS one.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Oct 28 04:45:21 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:45:21 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031028075546.022d8730@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <00eb01c39d40$96263520$9111758f@aine>

David

Have a look at this. Create a simple chart using ASP and HTML. Of the web.
Creates a simple bar chart. So it is possible. More complex examples are
available using .NET and there are lots of third party controls etc
available.

For the reports have a look at this

http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/AccessReporterForIIS/

I am not unbaised re this companies software as they provide me with free
licences for some of thier products.


-------------------------------------------------------
Chart script.
-------------------------------------------------------

<%@ LANGUAGE="VBSCRIPT" %>
<% Option Explicit %>

<!--#include virtual="/adovbs.inc"-->

<%
'How many pixels high we want our bar graph
Const graphHeight = 300
Const graphWidth = 450
Const barImage = "bluebar.gif"


sub BarChart(data, labels, title, axislabel)
	'Print heading
	Response.Write("<TABLE CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=1 BORDER=0 WIDTH=" &
graphWidth & ">" & chr(13))
	Response.Write("<TR><TH COLSPAN=" & UBound(data) - LBound(data) + 2 & ">")
	Response.Write("<FONT SIZE=+2>" & title & "</FONT></TH></TR>" & chr(13))
	Response.Write("<TR><TD VALIGN=TOP ALIGN=RIGHT>" & chr(13))

	'Find the highest value
	Dim hi
	hi = data(LBound(data))

	Dim i
	for i = LBound(data) to UBound(data) - 1
		if data(i) > hi then hi = data(i)
	next

	'Print out the highest value at the top of the chart
	Response.Write(hi & "</TD>")

	Dim widthpercent
	widthpercent = CInt((1 / (UBound(data) - LBound(data) + 1)) * 100)

	For i = LBound(data) to UBound(data) - 1
		Response.Write(" <TD VALIGN=BOTTOM ROWSPAN=2 WIDTH=" & widthpercent & "%
>" & chr(13))
		Response.Write("   <IMG SRC=""" & barImage & """ WIDTH=100% HEIGHT=" &
CInt(data(i)/hi * graphHeight) & ">" & chr(13))
		Response.Write(" </TD>" & chr(13))
	Next

	Response.Write("</TR>")
	Response.Write("<TR><TD VALIGN=BOTTOM ALIGN=RIGHT>0</TD></TR>")

	'Write footer
	Response.Write("<TR><TD ALIGN=RIGHT VALIGN=BOTTOM>" & axislabel & "</TD>" &
chr(13))
	for i = LBound(labels) to UBound(labels) - 1
		Response.Write("<TD VALIGN=BOTTOM ALIGN=CENTER>" & labels(i) & "</TD>" &
chr(13))
	next
	Response.Write("</TR>" & chr(13))
	Response.Write("</TABLE>")
end sub


'Open connection to database
Dim objConnection
Set objConnection = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
objConnection.Open "DSN=Products"

Dim strSQL
strSQL = "SELECT Name,UnitsSold FROM Products"

Dim rsProducts
Set rsProducts = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
rsProducts.Open strSQL, objConnection, adOpenStatic


Dim numRecords
numRecords = rsProducts.RecordCount

Dim unitsSoldArray(), labelArray()
Redim unitsSoldArray(numRecords)
Redim labelArray(numRecords)

Dim i
for i = 0 to numRecords-1
	unitsSoldArray(i) = rsProducts("UnitsSold")
	labelArray(i) = rsProducts("Name")
	rsProducts.MoveNext
next

%>

<HTML>
<BODY>
<CENTER>
<% BarChart unitsSoldArray,labelArray,"Units Sold","Product" %>
</CENTER>
</BODY>
</HTML>

<%
	rsProducts.Close
	Set rsProducts = Nothing

	objConnection.Close
	Set objConnection = Nothing
%>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Emerson" <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
To: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>; <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project


> Thanks Drew,  I might need to take a different approach to solve the
> problem.  If I could make the updating easier for the users this would go
a
> long way.  Currently they need to go to a web site, click on a file and
> save it to their local drive, then click on a shortcut to install the
update.
>
> Can anyone give me pointers/HTML code for automating this into one step -
> they just click on the web site link and the file is downloaded to the
> local drive (always to the same location on every ones machine), then an
> installation file is started which handles the updating.
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> DALYN Software Ltd
> 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
> At 27/10/2003, you wrote:
> >Okay David, I took at look at that database, finally, sorry, had a long
> >week.  The data entry portion would be a snap to convert to ASP pages.
Rough
> >estimate of 6 hours.  The reports are DEFINITELY going to be a problem
> >though.  Some look pretty simple, and those could be converted to
HTML/ASP.
> >However, I saw one with a graph.  Oh, those are show stoppers when it
comes
> >to HTML, because just plain HTML doesn't play well with graphs.  Now, you
> >could still create those reports in access, and possible use scripting to
> >force print them.  There are two possibilities there.  One, messing with
> >printers/printing with client side scripting on the web is a pain.  There
> >are ActiveX controls out there that make life a lot easier, but they cost
> >money...not sure how much, probably at least one or two hundred.  Another
> >possibility would be to create a VB FE, that runs on the clients
machines.
> >It's a snap to make a browser in VB, so it could just interact with the
> >webpages, just like IE would.  But then when it came time for the
reports,
> >you run them from the server, VB 'downloads' them, and VB can then
display
> >or print them.  Just a thought....and a wild one at that, because I've
never
> >done that, but 95% of what I do in VB I've never done before! <grin>
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:01 PM
> >To: Drew Wutka
> >Subject: Web based Project (Dalyn Software)
> >
> >
> >Drew,
> >
> >Thanks for your time today.
> >
> >Here is the file.  If you unzip it to a folder called C:\BWS then the FE
> >will link to the BE.
> >
> >Call me if you have any questions (below is a free phone number to NZ).
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >David Emerson
> >DALYN Software Ltd
> >25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> >Wellington, New Zealand
> >Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 28 04:47:50 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:47:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <3F9DFF65.29193.164DB1@localhost>
References: <3F9D8554.31231.27AB610@localhost>
	<3F9DFF65.29193.164DB1@localhost>
Message-ID: <15110035900.20031028114750@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

>> Samba is not related to a Novell network. It is for letting a Linux
>> server acting as a Windows server in a Windows environment.

> I wasn't sure if you needed Samba to hook up a *nix box to a Novell 
> Network or not, that's why I threw it out there.

> But that's not all Samba is for. You can use it to have full 
> Read/Write permissions on remote  NTFS drives under Linux. Linux has 
> built in Read capabilities for mounted NTFS drives, but not write. If 
> you install Samba, you get the write abilities because you end up 
> mounting an SMB drive and not an NTFS one.

That's right and I think NetWare 6.x has some optional SMB
capabilities as well. However, normally you connect to a NetWare
environment using the NetWare Client, don't you Susan?

/gustav


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 04:24:58 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:24:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028112455.259082747C4@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Hi folks
If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
disabling the app?
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 28 05:46:09 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:46:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <20031028112455.259082747C4@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F9EE3A1.7780.10DA61E@localhost>

On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi folks
> If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
> user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
> putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
> disabling the app?
> --

One way would be to open another form  modally ie. 
"WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the 
routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has 
finished.





 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 05:49:46 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:49:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
References: <20031028112455.259082747C4@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000501c39d49$961f4130$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
pop-up ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi folks
> If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
> user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
> putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
> disabling the app?
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> ________________________________________________
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>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 05:04:50 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:04:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028120448.3FBEF2FB826@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Hi William
That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 16:51


....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
pop-up ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi folks
> If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
> user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
> putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
> disabling the app?
> --
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> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 05:07:43 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:07:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028120741.192B82A1A88@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Stuart.
Exactly William's thought. Blimey we could have a consensus here.

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 01:48


On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi folks
> If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before the
> user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short of
> putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just temporarily
> disabling the app?
> --

One way would be to open another form modally ie.
"WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the
routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has
finished.






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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 06:17:16 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:17:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
References: <20031028120448.3FBEF2FB826@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001401c39d4d$6d62a5d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
...I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 28 06:31:30 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:31:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
In-Reply-To: <02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEEDFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

William

***************************************************
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
	txtBullet = Null
	txtBullet.Visible = False
Else
	txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
	txtBullet.Visible = True
End If
End Sub
***************************************************

Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
CanShrink=Yes.

Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.

Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:

 [_] [_____________________________]

I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


...picky, picky, picky :)
...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with your
text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
indent -
> that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with the
> bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to the
> text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted list
in
> a Word doc.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
concatenate
> > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> >    Dear List:
> >
> > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
are
> > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a boilerplate
> > header text.
> >
> > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So far,
> so
> > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> >
> > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
the
> > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make the
> > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
because
> > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> >
> > (bullet)  Text One.
> > (bullet)  Text Two.
> >
> > It comes out like this:
> >
> >              Text One.
> > (bullet)
> >              Text Two.
> > (bullet)
> >
> > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
list
> > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 06:43:28 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:43:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEEDFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <002901c39d51$16945ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Bob

...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you show
the bullet or not?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> William
>
> ***************************************************
> Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
> txtBullet = Null
> txtBullet.Visible = False
> Else
> txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> txtBullet.Visible = True
> End If
> End Sub
> ***************************************************
>
> Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
> CanShrink=Yes.
>
> Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
>
> Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
>
>  [_] [_____________________________]
>
> I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> ...picky, picky, picky :)
> ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
your
> text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> indent -
> > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
the
> > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
the
> > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
list
> in
> > a Word doc.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> concatenate
> > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > >    Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
> are
> > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
boilerplate
> > > header text.
> > >
> > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
far,
> > so
> > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > >
> > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
> the
> > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
the
> > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> because
> > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > >
> > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > >
> > > It comes out like this:
> > >
> > >              Text One.
> > > (bullet)
> > >              Text Two.
> > > (bullet)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
> list
> > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue Oct 28 07:10:26 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:10:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
Message-ID: <sf9e2482.063@cbc.ca>

I wasn't sure how the Sun Box connected to the Novell Network, that's
why I tossed the Samba comment out.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 28-Oct-03 5:47:50 AM >>>
Hi Bryan

>> Samba is not related to a Novell network. It is for letting a Linux
>> server acting as a Windows server in a Windows environment.

> I wasn't sure if you needed Samba to hook up a *nix box to a Novell 
> Network or not, that's why I threw it out there.

> But that's not all Samba is for. You can use it to have full 
> Read/Write permissions on remote  NTFS drives under Linux. Linux has

> built in Read capabilities for mounted NTFS drives, but not write. If

> you install Samba, you get the write abilities because you end up 
> mounting an SMB drive and not an NTFS one.

That's right and I think NetWare 6.x has some optional SMB
capabilities as well. However, normally you connect to a NetWare
environment using the NetWare Client, don't you Susan?

/gustav


From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Tue Oct 28 07:07:45 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:07:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Security issue with XP
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2515@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

Unfortunately, Stuart, our department will not support 2000 and refuse to
put it on new machines.  The only reason some of our machines have it is
that our boss at the time (now-retired) insisted that we get new machines
with the newest OS and this was before XP came out.  Anybody have any other
suggestions?  A patch?  A work around?

On 27 Oct 2003 at 15:15, Klos, Susan wrote:

> 
> We have to copy it to our hard drives as we use really large databases and
> they won't store on any of the other servers in the department.  Those of
us
> with windows 2000 or windows 98 do not have any trouble executing any
Access
> databases on the server.  Even those created in XP.  
> 

Upgrade the workstations from XP to 2000 :-)
(I won't let my clients use XP - I've seen too many problems with it, 
especially in mixed OS networks)


 
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Support.

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 28 07:30:35 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:30:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with Office XP
In-Reply-To: <sf9e2482.063@cbc.ca>
References: <sf9e2482.063@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <16719800942.20031028143035@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

I would assume it runs with eDirectory for Solaris - but who knows
except the notwork people of Susan ...

/gustav


> I wasn't sure how the Sun Box connected to the Novell Network, that's
> why I tossed the Samba comment out.


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 07:33:24 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:33:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: 	<018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <003401c39d58$101e4d10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Rocky

...this works for me in an AXP test mdb ...gives an indented text box with a
bullet or an unindented text box without a bullet.

...in your report detail section, place an image control (imgImage0) with a
bullet image embedded ...to the left of it place your textbox (txtText1)
where you want the indent to start.

...place this in your reports cbf detail DetailFormat

Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    If Reports!Report1.Controls!imgImage0.Visible = False Then
        Reports!Report1.Controls!txtText1.Move Left:=300
    Else
        MsgBox "duh"
    End If
End Sub

...adjust the move figure until it fits where you want it to reflect an
unindented text placement ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> ...picky, picky, picky :)
> ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
your
> text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> indent -
> > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
the
> > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
the
> > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
list
> in
> > a Word doc.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> concatenate
> > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > >    Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
> are
> > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
boilerplate
> > > header text.
> > >
> > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
far,
> > so
> > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > >
> > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
> the
> > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
the
> > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> because
> > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > >
> > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > >
> > > It comes out like this:
> > >
> > >              Text One.
> > > (bullet)
> > >              Text Two.
> > > (bullet)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
> list
> > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 28 08:15:22 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:15:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Yes.  Another Silly Access Question
In-Reply-To: <200310271800.h9RI0V632462@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028080737.02888e30@pop3.highstream.net>

Frank,

This is still just a status.  But, it seems that
no one is going to convince you to design it the
correct way.  The correct way to avoid any possible
duplication is to have them in the same table.
A bad design is a bad design.  No amount of logic
you try to apply to it is going to change that.

With your design, you are going to have to synchronize
the future questionnaire people with the completed
and declined when they either complete it or decline
to complete it.  Where with a correct design, it is
a simple status change.

Good luck.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
>From: Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20031027175553.64430.qmail at web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Because the back-end tables are going to be accessed
>by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
>possibility of duplication.
>
>The reason why we're moving them to different tables
>after processing is for marketing to keep track of
>different functions based upon the data in tables
>specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
>fill out a questionnaire go into one table, customers
>that decline to go into another table, and customers
>that would like to answer the questionnaire later go
>into yet another table.
>
>The front-end itself has to be as generic as possible
>yet cover all contingencies based upon what someone is
>doing at a particular given point in time.



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 08:27:07 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:27:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<003401c39d58$101e4d10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <008901c39d5f$90f9cd90$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I think the catch here is that because the text box starts out with zero
height and Can Grow is true, during the Print it's pushing the bullet down
below the text box.  They can't seem to end up on the same line.  I tried
putting the .Top of the bullet to the .Top of the text box in the OnPrint
event but you can't set it there.

But then I'm putting the bullet in a label with a zero height and setting
the height to about 250 to make it visible when fldBullet is set to true.
I'll try the image control and see what happens.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Rocky
>
> ...this works for me in an AXP test mdb ...gives an indented text box with
a
> bullet or an unindented text box without a bullet.
>
> ...in your report detail section, place an image control (imgImage0) with
a
> bullet image embedded ...to the left of it place your textbox (txtText1)
> where you want the indent to start.
>
> ...place this in your reports cbf detail DetailFormat
>
> Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>     If Reports!Report1.Controls!imgImage0.Visible = False Then
>         Reports!Report1.Controls!txtText1.Move Left:=300
>     Else
>         MsgBox "duh"
>     End If
> End Sub
>
> ...adjust the move figure until it fits where you want it to reflect an
> unindented text placement ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
> your
> > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > indent -
> > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
> the
> > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
> the
> > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
> list
> > in
> > > a Word doc.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > concatenate
> > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
which
> > are
> > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> boilerplate
> > > > header text.
> > > >
> > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
> far,
> > > so
> > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
Italic
> > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > >
> > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
tried
> > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
with
> > the
> > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
> the
> > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> > because
> > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > >
> > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > >
> > > > It comes out like this:
> > > >
> > > >              Text One.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >              Text Two.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
bulleted
> > list
> > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 08:36:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:36:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <001401c39d4d$6d62a5d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELIFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker.  This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects.  It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc.  The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


...can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
...I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Oct 28 08:44:29 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:44:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Yes.  Another Silly Access Question
In-Reply-To: <20031028143928.12745.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028083528.00b66d90@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028084142.02808dd0@pop3.highstream.net>

Someone did answer it.

Create table query for local table.
Delete query for original source.
Append query for final destination.
Delete object for local table.

Robert

At 06:39 AM 10/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>I am not the one that broug up "right way" vs "wrong
>way".  Hell, it wasn't even a part of my question,
>except in an incidental way.
>
>My actual question was never even answered because it
>got lost in all of the chaff.
>
>My question WAS how to peel off one record off of the
>top and make a table with just that data.  That
>simple.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Somewhere that
>all got lost in the "This is the right way to do it."
>
>--- "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
>wrote:
> > My point was that further discussion is ridiculous
> > because nothing is going to change.
> >
> > At 06:19 AM 10/28/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >You seem to fail to understand.
> > >
> > >Right way, wrong way.  She's the one with my job in
> > >her hands.  I design it her way or I hit the
> > highway.
> > >You are under the, mistaken, impression that I have
> > a
> > >choice in the matter.
> > >
> > >--- "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
> > >wrote:
> > > > Frank,
> > > >
> > > > This is still just a status.  But, it seems that
> > > > no one is going to convince you to design it the
> > > > correct way.  The correct way to avoid any
> > possible
> > > > duplication is to have them in the same table.
> > > > A bad design is a bad design.  No amount of
> > logic
> > > > you try to apply to it is going to change that.
> > > >
> > > > With your design, you are going to have to
> > > > synchronize
> > > > the future questionnaire people with the
> > completed
> > > > and declined when they either complete it or
> > decline
> > > > to complete it.  Where with a correct design, it
> > is
> > > > a simple status change.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > > At 12:00 PM 10/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > > >Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
> > > > >From: Frank Tanner III
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> > Access
> > > > Question.
> > > > >To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > >         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >Message-ID:
> > > >
> > <20031027175553.64430.qmail at web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
> > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > > >
> > > > >Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > > accessed
> > > > >by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY
> > > > >possibility of duplication.
> > > > >
> > > > >The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > > tables
> > > > >after processing is for marketing to keep track
> > of
> > > > >different functions based upon the data in
> > tables
> > > > >specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers
> > that
> > > > >fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > > customers
> > > > >that decline to go into another table, and
> > > > customers
> > > > >that would like to answer the questionnaire
> > later
> > > > go
> > > > >into yet another table.
> > > > >
> > > > >The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > > possible
> > > > >yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone
> > > > is
> > > > >doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 08:57:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:57:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List - Solved
References: <018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<003401c39d58$101e4d10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<008901c39d5f$90f9cd90$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00b201c39d63$cbb3fec0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

OK.  So I solved it the really stupid way.  It occurred to me that the text
box does not have to start at zero height because there will always be at
least one line.  So I made it the height of one line with Can Grow - True
and the label with the bullet next to it (set Visible/Invisible, depending
on the record) and it works just fine.

Next up, he wants the option for a numbered list as well (sigh).

With egg on face, I remain,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> I think the catch here is that because the text box starts out with zero
> height and Can Grow is true, during the Print it's pushing the bullet down
> below the text box.  They can't seem to end up on the same line.  I tried
> putting the .Top of the bullet to the .Top of the text box in the OnPrint
> event but you can't set it there.
>
> But then I'm putting the bullet in a label with a zero height and setting
> the height to about 250 to make it visible when fldBullet is set to true.
> I'll try the image control and see what happens.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Rocky
> >
> > ...this works for me in an AXP test mdb ...gives an indented text box
with
> a
> > bullet or an unindented text box without a bullet.
> >
> > ...in your report detail section, place an image control (imgImage0)
with
> a
> > bullet image embedded ...to the left of it place your textbox (txtText1)
> > where you want the indent to start.
> >
> > ...place this in your reports cbf detail DetailFormat
> >
> > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> >     If Reports!Report1.Controls!imgImage0.Visible = False Then
> >         Reports!Report1.Controls!txtText1.Move Left:=300
> >     Else
> >         MsgBox "duh"
> >     End If
> > End Sub
> >
> > ...adjust the move figure until it fits where you want it to reflect an
> > unindented text placement ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline
with
> > your
> > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH
:)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > > indent -
> > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted
with
> > the
> > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet
to
> > the
> > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
> > list
> > > in
> > > > a Word doc.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > > concatenate
> > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > > lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
> which
> > > are
> > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> > boilerplate
> > > > > header text.
> > > > >
> > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.
So
> > far,
> > > > so
> > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
> Italic
> > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
> tried
> > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
> with
> > > the
> > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I
make
> > the
> > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> > > because
> > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > > >
> > > > > It comes out like this:
> > > > >
> > > > >              Text One.
> > > > > (bullet)
> > > > >              Text Two.
> > > > > (bullet)
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
> bulleted
> > > list
> > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 09:03:53 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:03:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List - Solved
References: 	<018a01c39cd4$19b814c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><021701c39cd5$7778abf0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><033201c39d16$8942e5d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><02eb01c39d26$2058bb70$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><003401c39d58$101e4d10$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><008901c39d5f$90f9cd90$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<00b201c39d63$cbb3fec0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00a901c39d64$b43fdb00$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...works for you, works for me ...especially the egg ...wear it all the time
:)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List - Solved


> OK.  So I solved it the really stupid way.  It occurred to me that the
text
> box does not have to start at zero height because there will always be at
> least one line.  So I made it the height of one line with Can Grow - True
> and the label with the bullet next to it (set Visible/Invisible, depending
> on the record) and it works just fine.
>
> Next up, he wants the option for a numbered list as well (sigh).
>
> With egg on face, I remain,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > I think the catch here is that because the text box starts out with zero
> > height and Can Grow is true, during the Print it's pushing the bullet
down
> > below the text box.  They can't seem to end up on the same line.  I
tried
> > putting the .Top of the bullet to the .Top of the text box in the
OnPrint
> > event but you can't set it there.
> >
> > But then I'm putting the bullet in a label with a zero height and
setting
> > the height to about 250 to make it visible when fldBullet is set to
true.
> > I'll try the image control and see what happens.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ...this works for me in an AXP test mdb ...gives an indented text box
> with
> > a
> > > bullet or an unindented text box without a bullet.
> > >
> > > ...in your report detail section, place an image control (imgImage0)
> with
> > a
> > > bullet image embedded ...to the left of it place your textbox
(txtText1)
> > > where you want the indent to start.
> > >
> > > ...place this in your reports cbf detail DetailFormat
> > >
> > > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> > >     If Reports!Report1.Controls!imgImage0.Visible = False Then
> > >         Reports!Report1.Controls!txtText1.Move Left:=300
> > >     Else
> > >         MsgBox "duh"
> > >     End If
> > > End Sub
> > >
> > > ...adjust the move figure until it fits where you want it to reflect
an
> > > unindented text placement ...HTH :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline
> with
> > > your
> > > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH
> :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > > > indent -
> > > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted
> with
> > > the
> > > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet
> to
> > > the
> > > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a
bulleted
> > > list
> > > > in
> > > > > a Word doc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > > > concatenate
> > > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > > > lifetime?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    Dear List:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
> > which
> > > > are
> > > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> > > boilerplate
> > > > > > header text.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.
> So
> > > far,
> > > > > so
> > > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
> > Italic
> > > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
> > tried
> > > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I
> make
> > > the
> > > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except
that
> > > > because
> > > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It comes out like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              Text One.
> > > > > > (bullet)
> > > > > >              Text Two.
> > > > > > (bullet)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
> > bulleted
> > > > list
> > > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MTIA,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 08:20:52 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:20:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028152048.3090726F0DD@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get home though cos
am on user site and they only have A97.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 19:38


OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects. It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 08:21:36 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:21:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <20031028152132.192DD28713E@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

:-)
Yes I thought that. The opportunities for screw-ups on the error handling
are pretty interesting.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 17:18


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 28 09:33:15 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:33:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
In-Reply-To: <002901c39d51$16945ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJMEEFFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Rocky/William

I forgot about the user decision ...

Put two unbound text boxes on the report, each set to grow/shrink.
Make one the full length, and the other the short length that is
indented to allow for the bullet. Set the values according to the
user's bullet decision:

***************************************************
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
If booTextBulletProperty = True Then
	If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
		txtBullet = Null
		txtBullet.Visible = False
		txtTextBoxShort = txtTextBox
		txtTextBoxShort.Visible = True
		txtTextBoxLong = Null
		txtTextBoxLong.Visible = False
	Else
		txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
		txtBullet.Visible = True
		txtTextBoxShort = txtTextBox
		txtTextBoxShort.Visible = True
		txtTextBoxLong = Null
		txtTextBoxLong.Visible = False
	End If
End If
End Sub
***************************************************

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 07:43
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


Bob

...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you show
the bullet or not?

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> William
>
> ***************************************************
> Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
> txtBullet = Null
> txtBullet.Visible = False
> Else
> txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> txtBullet.Visible = True
> End If
> End Sub
> ***************************************************
>
> Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
> CanShrink=Yes.
>
> Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
>
> Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
>
>  [_] [_____________________________]
>
> I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> ...picky, picky, picky :)
> ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
your
> text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> indent -
> > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
the
> > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
the
> > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
list
> in
> > a Word doc.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> concatenate
> > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > >    Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text which
> are
> > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
boilerplate
> > > header text.
> > >
> > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
far,
> > so
> > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and Italic
> > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > >
> > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I tried
> > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top with
> the
> > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
the
> > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> because
> > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > >
> > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > >
> > > It comes out like this:
> > >
> > >              Text One.
> > > (bullet)
> > >              Text Two.
> > > (bullet)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a bulleted
> list
> > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 09:44:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:44:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <20031028152048.3090726F0DD@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELLFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Andy,

It's now up there in A97 format if you need it immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get home though cos
am on user site and they only have A97.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 19:38


OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects. It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


> Hi William
> That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
> Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
> routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 16:51
>
>
> ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
> modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
> your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
> pop-up ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 09:50:38 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:50:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Message-ID: <Sea1-F148QBUZK0LkKx00018c0f@hotmail.com>

I tried to use your demo, John, and it worked beautifully except it always 
counted to 1 + my number (i.e. I entered 51, it counted to 51).  Should this 
be taken into account or is there a way to get it to stop at your number?

Thanks,
Gina


From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:44:24 -0500

Andy,

It's now up there in A97 format if you need it immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get home though cos
am on user site and they only have A97.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 19:38


OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects. It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


 > Hi William
 > That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
 > Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
 > routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
 >
 > --
 > Andy Lacey
 > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > --------- Original Message --------
 > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
 > Date: 28/10/03 16:51
 >
 >
 > ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
 > modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
 > your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
 > pop-up ...HTH :)
 >
 > William Hindman
 > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
 >
 >
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
 > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
 > Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
 >
 >
 > > Hi folks
 > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
 > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
 > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if 
they
 > > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they 
could
 > > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
 > > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
 > > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
 > > disabling the app?
 > > --
 > > Andy Lacey
 > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
 > >
 > > ________________________________________________
 > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
 > >
 > > _______________________________________________
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 > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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 >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 09:59:26 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:59:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
	inTribble'sRelinker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJNFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c39d6c$76c8b640$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Thanks for the code.

It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.

I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.

(I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without For -
and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call

fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)

in the original with

fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)

in the new version.)

Then I put both  calls in the opening form:

tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
tsCheckTableLinksNew

The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this about
right?

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
inTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> *********
> On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
>
> Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset per
> BE to speed up db
> 'compiler directive for the logger
> #Const LogIt = True
> #Const TimeIt = False
>
> *********
> Then add in a new function below:
>
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
Table.
> ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> '
> ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String)
As
> Boolean
>    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>    Dim var As Variant
>
>    On Error Resume Next
>    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
>    If err <> 0 Then
>       fLinkIsValidNew = False
>    Else
>       fLinkIsValidNew = True
>       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
>       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
>    End If
>    On Error GoTo 0
>
> End Function
>
> *********
> Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name as
> the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset,
but
> won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
>
>
> *********
> On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
>
>          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> #Const TestNew = True
> #If TestNew Then
>          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> #Else
>          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> #End If
>             'LogResult "[OK]"
>             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
>             '.valid table link is found.
>             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
>
> *********
> Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function instead
> of the old.
>
> That should do it for you.  Let me know.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> Tribble'sRelinker
>
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
modify
> this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster
over
> a network?
>
> MTIA and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
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>
>
>
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>


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 10:10:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:10:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F148QBUZK0LkKx00018c0f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCELNFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gina,

I was demoing a progress form, not a while loop.  Change the while to:

    While lngCnt < txtMaxCnt

and it stops at 10000 (or whatever you enter in there).

This demo is designed to show how to open the progress form and manipulate
its properties.  The purpose is to give you enough information to use it in
your own systems.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


I tried to use your demo, John, and it worked beautifully except it always
counted to 1 + my number (i.e. I entered 51, it counted to 51).  Should this
be taken into account or is there a way to get it to stop at your number?

Thanks,
Gina


From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:44:24 -0500

Andy,

It's now up there in A97 format if you need it immediately.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get home though cos
am on user site and they only have A97.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
Date: 28/10/03 19:38


OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form from Carl
Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is sooo excellent I use it
in all of my projects. It allows you to display a progress bar, display
progress messages, close when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about
30 minutes and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main
features of the form.

Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then the hotlink.

Enjoy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user from intervening
....I'd give them some feed back though ...you might hide the main form and
unhide it when the popup closes ...make sure your error handler works or it
might get ugly :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user


 > Hi William
 > That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of events?
 > Would I open the modal form and have IT run the routine? Then have the
 > routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
 >
 > --
 > Andy Lacey
 > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > --------- Original Message --------
 > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
 > Date: 28/10/03 16:51
 >
 >
 > ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a user-control-free
 > modal pop-up form over the main form from the cmdbutton and close it when
 > your routine is finished? ...put a warning label or a progress bar on the
 > pop-up ...HTH :)
 >
 > William Hindman
 > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
 >
 >
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
 > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
 > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
 > Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
 >
 >
 > > Hi folks
 > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish before
the
 > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, short
of
 > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if
they
 > > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they
could
 > > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
 > > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
 > > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
temporarily
 > > disabling the app?
 > > --
 > > Andy Lacey
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 28 10:14:08 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:14:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <3F9EE3A1.7780.10DA61E@localhost>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEOKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Andy,
Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation using two
methods:

-Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the maximum amount of time
this process will take which I only use for non-critical processes to give
the user a heads up to what is happening.

-Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls the procedure.
When the procedure returns a value close the form. The command button
doesn't actually call the procedure but rather it calls the form that calls
the procedure, thus making the procedure calling form easily reusable, just
have a button that opens the form.

It sounds like the latter might fit your case.

HTH
John Bartow

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
>
> > Hi folks
> > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> before the
> > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> that, short of
> > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their fingers off if they
> > don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number of buttons they could
> > press, or close the form etc, and I could write a function which just
> > disabled all of those things then re-enabled them when the routine's
> > finished, but it's a bit messy. Is there a cleaner way of just
> temporarily
> > disabling the app?
> > --
>
> One way would be to open another form  modally ie.
> "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the
> routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has
> finished.
>
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 10:15:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:15:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
	OpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <010b01c39d6c$76c8b640$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELOFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Rocky,

That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database and
how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be very
dramatic.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
OpeninTribble'sRelinker


John:

Thanks for the code.

It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.

I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.

(I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without For -
and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call

fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)

in the original with

fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)

in the new version.)

Then I put both  calls in the opening form:

tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
tsCheckTableLinksNew

The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this about
right?

Regards,

Rocky

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From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
inTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> *********
> On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
>
> Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset per
> BE to speed up db
> 'compiler directive for the logger
> #Const LogIt = True
> #Const TimeIt = False
>
> *********
> Then add in a new function below:
>
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
Table.
> ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> '
> ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String)
As
> Boolean
>    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>    Dim var As Variant
>
>    On Error Resume Next
>    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
>    If err <> 0 Then
>       fLinkIsValidNew = False
>    Else
>       fLinkIsValidNew = True
>       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
>       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
>    End If
>    On Error GoTo 0
>
> End Function
>
> *********
> Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name as
> the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset,
but
> won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
>
>
> *********
> On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
>
>          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> #Const TestNew = True
> #If TestNew Then
>          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> #Else
>          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> #End If
>             'LogResult "[OK]"
>             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
>             '.valid table link is found.
>             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
>
> *********
> Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function instead
> of the old.
>
> That should do it for you.  Let me know.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> Tribble'sRelinker
>
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
modify
> this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster
over
> a network?
>
> MTIA and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Tue Oct 28 10:20:25 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:20:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE76@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Hello,

any idea where/how A97 stores it's Import Wizard Import/Export specs?

TIA - Chris Foote

From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 28 10:30:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:30:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031027184127.65180.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEOLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Frank:
I haven't got any programming advice for you but...

Since you are a Network Engineer maybe that gives you the opening to say "I
don't know how to do that - maybe you should hire an outside consultant on
this job".

I realize its a tough thing to say but it sounds like you're placing
yourself in the future gun sights of the "big blame gun". It isn't your
idea; it is bound to turn out badly in the future; but you're the one who
"did" it, so its going to be your fault...

Maybe its not something you can do, but its worth considering.

JB

Learn from others mistakes: change "fool me once shame on you - fool me
twice shame on me"
into fool someone else once shame on you...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
>
>
> That's because I *AM* a network engineer...hehehe  By
> profession I tend to think modular....hehehe
>
> My boss wants a guarantee of no overlapping.  This is
> the only way I can think of doing it without coding
> mountains of logic into each form that I am creating.
> The more logic I have to put in to account for every
> possible contingency the larger the chance for errors
> becomes.  Peeling off one record and storing it in a
> temporary table will allow me to use the same logic
> over and over again, plus guarantee that there will be
> no overlaps.
>
> --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > > possibility of duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > > will
> > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> > go
> > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > > >
> > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> > from
> > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> > called
> > > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> > record
> > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > >
> > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> > table,
> > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> > cleared/deleted.
> > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> > of
> > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> > the
> > > > Get
> > > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > > >
> > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > > ideas?  Thank you.
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Tue Oct 28 10:44:32 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:44:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Direct Print
In-Reply-To: <20031024053042.68734.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c39d72$c3cc3b00$69fa2250@servercafe>

Hi group:
We are using some routines to print direct to the LPTx: port on our
programs, but the problem is that Win2k or WinXP we can't select any LPTx:
if not exist on the local machine.
The actual routine to print is

Sub PrintTxt ( Puerto as string, Texto as string)
'Rem normal use is Open "LPT1:" for Output as #1
Open puerto for Output as #1
Print #1, texto
Close #1
Exit sub
End Sub

If use Win98SE you can capture any port like Set LPT2: = \\server\epsonTM88
On win2k and winXP we haven't (i don't know if it's possible)

We have same problem to use printers on a network or USB connection.

Basically we need send some control characters in ASCii format to any
printer on a network.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez


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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Oct 28 10:51:57 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:51:57 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
	OpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <010b01c39d6c$76c8b640$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuVEAH8A@pacific.net.hk>

As John said, this makes a difference when there are multiple users in the
database.  If you have a small network, try it with another copy of the same BE
database opened on a different computer (open a form, start an edit, etc)

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2003 11:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database 
> Connection OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> Thanks for the code.
> 
> It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> 
> I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> 
> (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next 
> without For -
> and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> 
> fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> 
> in the original with
> 
> fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> 
> in the new version.)
> 
> Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> 
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> tsCheckTableLinksNew
> 
> The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5. 
>  Is this about
> right?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> inTribble'sRelinker
> 
> 
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Here's what I did:
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> >
> > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one 
> open recordset per
> > BE to speed up db
> > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > #Const LogIt = True
> > #Const TimeIt = False
> >
> > *********
> > Then add in a new function below:
> >
> >
> '-------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> Table.
> > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > '
> > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> >
> '-------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, 
> strTable As String)
> As
> > Boolean
> >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> >    Dim var As Variant
> >
> >    On Error Resume Next
> >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> >    If err <> 0 Then
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> >    Else
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> >    End If
> >    On Error GoTo 0
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with 
> the BE name as
> > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a 
> single recordset,
> but
> > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> >
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> >
> >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > #Const TestNew = True
> > #If TestNew Then
> >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And 
> fForceRelink = False Then
> > #Else
> >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > #End If
> >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> >             '.valid table link is found.
> >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new 
> function instead
> > of the old.
> >
> > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database 
> Connection Open in
> > Tribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody 
> know how to
> modify
> > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it 
> relinks faster
> over
> > a network?
> >
> > MTIA and regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 11:43:22 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:43:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of them?
Message-ID: <Law12-F36r6beUzmRf60000019a@hotmail.com>

I would like to access (you should pardon the expression) the list 
(collection?) of functions in a given standard module. So far, I have looked 
at application.codedb and all it's pardners,without joy. For my app, the 
point of it all is to get a list of functions in a drop down box. I cannot 
get a handle on where theses things are. Access knows about them because the 
code builder thingie knows about them.
Has anyone done this?
TIA,
_D


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 11:53:30 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:53:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227407@main2.marlow.com>

I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same boat many
times....fortunately, the people I work with don't have the first clue of
what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.  <evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
heheheh

Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
sense into people, they still wanna do what they wanna
do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do. 
Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my boss,
I lose....hehehe

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off
> of the top of my head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have
> mobile databases.  Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY
> > possibility of duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of
> > different functions based upon the data in tables
> > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers that
> > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 11:55:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:55:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227408@main2.marlow.com>

If you must you must.  What question do you have specifically about
'peeling' the record?

I would still put a flag in the main table, so that at the very start of the
process, you set the flag, so the next instance of the process gets the next
record.  Then I would copy the data to the local table, once copied, I would
then simply delete the one on the server.

Is your question regarding code required to do it?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


That would be acceptable to me, whether or not it is
acceptable to them.  HOWEVER, it still doesn't answer
my original question.

Which was how to peel the record in the first place.

Then, regardless of how the END result is, my original
question would still remain the same.

--- Nancy Lytle <nancy.lytle at auatac.com> wrote:
> Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the
> Master Table, put it into
> temp and then put it into a new Table called
> Processed with a category
> column for completed, not interested and to be
> contacted later.  Then create
> three queries with each one giving you the full set
> of data for each
> category.  The problem is that once you separate the
> data, it is hard to put
> it back together again, kind of like Humpty-Dumpty,
> and you never know what
> future requirements there may be, been there, done
> that, don't ever want to
> do it again:(
> 
> Nancy Lytle
> EIS
> nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> As I see it the worst possible case scenario is that
> one record could become corrupt if the front-end
> gets
> whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> temporarily I might add, storing one record.  Ever.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of
> criteria
> as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled,
> and
> I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> trying to come up with the easiest, and most modular
> way of handling it.
> 
> They are adamant about having one back-end table
> that
> contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> table that contains the records that have been
> contacted and have answered the questions, one table
> that contains the "not-interested" responses, and
> one
> table that contains the "call me back later"
> responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it that
> way, nor what they are going to do with it once it
> is
> complete.
> 
> --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> wrote:
> > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut
> Status"
> > field to the original
> > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > field. Doing it this way
> > means you never need to move the data from table
> to
> > table, instead just
> > change the values in those two fields. In
> addition,
> > there's no danger of
> > data getting lost when and if the user's front end
> > copy gets trashed /
> > corrupted.
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Frank Tanner III
> > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > To:	Database Advisors
> > > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > > 
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > bloomers....hehehe
> > > 
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> > to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > like this...
> > > 
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> > go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > this...
> > > 
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from 
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> query, and stuffs 
> > > it into a front-end table called
> tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > > removes said
> > record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > 
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table, 
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > 
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > > 
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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> >
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 28 11:59:24 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEOLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <20031028175924.61740.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>

Tried that.  Lost that battle.  Mainly because I shot
myself in the foot in two manners.

First, I designed an integrated Helpdesk/Asset
Management/Knowledge Base application from scratch
using MS Access.

Second, I designed and created a front-end for data
gathering for out telephone switching system, again
using MS Access.

So, now, because I created tools that are purpose
built to help me do my job, I am not the official
"Access Expert".  It sucks....hehehe

--- John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Frank:
> I haven't got any programming advice for you but...
> 
> Since you are a Network Engineer maybe that gives
> you the opening to say "I
> don't know how to do that - maybe you should hire an
> outside consultant on
> this job".
> 
> I realize its a tough thing to say but it sounds
> like you're placing
> yourself in the future gun sights of the "big blame
> gun". It isn't your
> idea; it is bound to turn out badly in the future;
> but you're the one who
> "did" it, so its going to be your fault...
> 
> Maybe its not something you can do, but its worth
> considering.
> 
> JB
> 
> Learn from others mistakes: change "fool me once
> shame on you - fool me
> twice shame on me"
> into fool someone else once shame on you...
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:41 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> >
> >
> > That's because I *AM* a network engineer...hehehe 
> By
> > profession I tend to think modular....hehehe
> >
> > My boss wants a guarantee of no overlapping.  This
> is
> > the only way I can think of doing it without
> coding
> > mountains of logic into each form that I am
> creating.
> > The more logic I have to put in to account for
> every
> > possible contingency the larger the chance for
> errors
> > becomes.  Peeling off one record and storing it in
> a
> > temporary table will allow me to use the same
> logic
> > over and over again, plus guarantee that there
> will be
> > no overlaps.
> >
> > --- William Hindman <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > > of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > > over the place and creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > > much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much
> as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > > rather than a database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY
> > > > possibility of duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track of
> > > > different functions based upon the data in
> tables
> > > > specific to certain criteria.  IE.  Customers
> that
> > > > fill out a questionnaire go into one table,
> > > customers
> > > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > > customers
> > > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > > go
> > > > into yet another table.
> > > >
> > > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > > possible
> > > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > > someone is
> > > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > > >
> > > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > > Just curious why you would want to
> physically
> > > 'move'
> > > > > the data, instead of
> > > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > > You could have a byte
> > > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > > numbers could represent
> > > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > > Question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > > to
> > > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted. 
> It
> > > works
> > > > > like this...
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > > master
> > > > > table of records.  I want my people to click
> a
> > > > > button
> > > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > > first
> > > > > available record into a "make table query"
> to
> > > create
> > > > > a
> > > > > temporary local front-end table and delete
> it
> > > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > > checking
> > > > > out a book from the library.  Once this
> record
> > > is
> > > > > pulled from the master table in the
> back-end, it
> > > > > will
> > > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> will
> > > go
> > > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > > this...
> > > > >
> > > > > Get Information pulls "next available
> record"
> > > from
> > > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> table
> > > > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> > > called
> > > > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes
> said
> 
=== message truncated ===


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 28 12:14:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:14:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Direct Print
References: <000301c39d72$c3cc3b00$69fa2250@servercafe>
Message-ID: <001a01c39d7f$45fd6e30$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...for W2K/WXP check out the net use command line parameters to establish a
persistent connection to a port that isn't hardwired ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MastercafeCTV" <mastercafe at ctv.es>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:44 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Direct Print


> Hi group:
> We are using some routines to print direct to the LPTx: port on our
> programs, but the problem is that Win2k or WinXP we can't select any LPTx:
> if not exist on the local machine.
> The actual routine to print is
>
> Sub PrintTxt ( Puerto as string, Texto as string)
> 'Rem normal use is Open "LPT1:" for Output as #1
> Open puerto for Output as #1
> Print #1, texto
> Close #1
> Exit sub
> End Sub
>
> If use Win98SE you can capture any port like Set LPT2: =
\\server\epsonTM88
> On win2k and winXP we haven't (i don't know if it's possible)
>
> We have same problem to use printers on a network or USB connection.
>
> Basically we need send some control characters in ASCii format to any
> printer on a network.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Juan Men?ndez
>
>
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> Fax 627.500.205
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 28 12:15:23 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:15:23 -0800
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
References: <OF4E7ADCDC.3DD35C22-ONC1256DCD.00350ED9@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <3F9EB23B.5050508@shaw.ca>

Don't forget the SQL Server 7 Patches for MSDE 1.0
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/downloads/sp4.asp?&SD=TECH&LN=EN-CA&gssnb=1
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q327068&sd=tech
MSDE 1.0 is not affected by Slammer worm
You cant have msde 1.0 and 2.0 on the same machine but does anyone know 
if you can run Access 2000 with MSDE 2.0?


marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl wrote:

>Robert,
>
>Thanks. I will install MSDE and keep you and the group posted about my
>findings.
>
>Gr. marcel
>
>
>
>
>"Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>@databaseadvisors.com op
>22-10-2003 17:56:34
>
>Antwoord aub aan Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
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>Aan:  accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>cc:   marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>
>Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>
>
>Marcel,
>
>Looks like you are doing everything right.
>
>Since you are using 2000, I would explore using
>the MSDE for the backend.  You would be fine on
>the number of users it is designed for.  Then I
>would convert everything to an ADP and use ADO.
>I have found that on one of my large forms, 8
>subforms with 2 sub-subforms, in MDE it loaded
>in about 15 seconds, in ADP < 2 seconds.
>
>Sorry that I cannot give you any more advise than
>that.
>
>Robert
>
>At 08:45 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:50:25 +0200
>>From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
>>Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Re: Performance ADO - DAO or ??
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <OFBDBE24B3.31190D20-ONC1256DC6.00304900 at achmea.nl>
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>>
>>Robert,
>>
>>   The FE is always an MDE and is 11MB in size. De BE is always een MDB
>>   which differs from 24 to 150 MB
>>   Generaly there are five users who are updating and entering data and
>>   about 2 users who only read data
>>   The FE is always local on the computers. The BE is always in f:
>>   \oop\oopdata.mdb
>>    Alle forms are showing a limited no of records and are never bounded
>>    
>>
>to
>  
>
>>   a table
>>
>>
>>Thanks Marcel
>>    
>>
>
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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Tue Oct 28 12:21:53 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:21:53 -0900
Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of
	them?
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303121039@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Does the F2 Object browser window give you what you are looking for?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:43 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of
> them?
> 
> 
> I would like to access (you should pardon the expression) the list 
> (collection?) of functions in a given standard module. So 
> far, I have looked 
> at application.codedb and all it's pardners,without joy. For 
> my app, the 
> point of it all is to get a list of functions in a drop down 
> box. I cannot 
> get a handle on where theses things are. Access knows about 
> them because the 
> code builder thingie knows about them.
> Has anyone done this?
> TIA,
> _D
> 
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 12:32:00 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:32:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEOKFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <024901c39d81$c6f6a220$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks John. Yes I think that's where I'm heading (option 2). Am going
to take a look at JC's progress form as a basis.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 28 October 2003 16:14
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation using two
> methods:
> 
> -Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the maximum 
> amount of time this process will take which I only use for 
> non-critical processes to give the user a heads up to what is 
> happening.
> 
> -Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls 
> the procedure. When the procedure returns a value close the 
> form. The command button doesn't actually call the procedure 
> but rather it calls the form that calls the procedure, thus 
> making the procedure calling form easily reusable, just have 
> a button that opens the form.
> 
> It sounds like the latter might fit your case.
> 
> HTH
> John Bartow
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks
> > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> > before the
> > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> > that, short of
> > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their 
> fingers off if 
> > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number 
> of buttons 
> > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a 
> > > function which just disabled all of those things then re-enabled 
> > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy. 
> Is there a 
> > > cleaner way of just
> > temporarily
> > > disabling the app?
> > > --
> >
> > One way would be to open another form  modally ie. 
> > "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the 
> > routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has 
> > finished.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 12:32:00 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:32:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELLFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <024a01c39d81$c7215ba0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks John

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: 28 October 2003 15:44
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> It's now up there in A97 format if you need it immediately.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Thansk John I'll take a look. It'll have to wait til I get 
> home though cos am on user site and they only have A97.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> Date: 28/10/03 19:38
> 
> 
> OK, I have a demo up on my web site using the progress form 
> from Carl Tribble's excellent relinker. This progress form is 
> sooo excellent I use it in all of my projects. It allows you 
> to display a progress bar, display progress messages, close 
> when finish etc. The demo was whipped up in about 30 minutes 
> and the code is simple and demonstrates how to use the main 
> features of the form.
> 
> Open www.colbyconsulting.com , then click on Misc Demos, then 
> the hotlink.
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> John W. Colby
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:17 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> ....can't think of any reason it wouldn't ...stops the user 
> from intervening ....I'd give them some feed back though 
> ...you might hide the main form and unhide it when the popup 
> closes ...make sure your error handler works or it might get ugly :)
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in 
> your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> > Hi William
> > That's an interesting thought. What do you see as the sequence of 
> > events? Would I open the modal form and have IT run the 
> routine? Then 
> > have the routine close the form when it's finished? Does that work?
> >
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> > Date: 28/10/03 16:51
> >
> >
> > ....off the top of my head, one way would be to open a 
> > user-control-free modal pop-up form over the main form from the 
> > cmdbutton and close it when your routine is finished? 
> ...put a warning 
> > label or a progress bar on the pop-up ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
> > lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:24 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > > Hi folks
> > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish 
> > > before
> the
> > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve that, 
> > > short
> of
> > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their 
> fingers off if 
> > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number 
> of buttons 
> > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a 
> > > function which just disabled all of those things then re-enabled 
> > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy. 
> Is there a 
> > > cleaner way of just
> temporarily
> > > disabling the app?
> > > --
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue Oct 28 12:34:15 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:34:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227408@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031028183415.91989.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

I just want to be able to take record off of a
database.  Basically the first available one, no
specific criteria and plug it into a table" made via a
make table query.

The way I thought of doing it is pretty crappy.  I
thought about making a form (hidden) that uses that
database as it's bound property.  Then on form open
running a make table query to fill the "made" table
and then a delete query to selete the record, then the
invisible form shuts down.  But that's a pretty crappy
way of doing it.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> If you must you must.  What question do you have
> specifically about
> 'peeling' the record?
> 
> I would still put a flag in the main table, so that
> at the very start of the
> process, you set the flag, so the next instance of
> the process gets the next
> record.  Then I would copy the data to the local
> table, once copied, I would
> then simply delete the one on the server.
> 
> Is your question regarding code required to do it?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> That would be acceptable to me, whether or not it is
> acceptable to them.  HOWEVER, it still doesn't
> answer
> my original question.
> 
> Which was how to peel the record in the first place.
> 
> Then, regardless of how the END result is, my
> original
> question would still remain the same.
> 
> --- Nancy Lytle <nancy.lytle at auatac.com> wrote:
> > Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the
> > Master Table, put it into
> > temp and then put it into a new Table called
> > Processed with a category
> > column for completed, not interested and to be
> > contacted later.  Then create
> > three queries with each one giving you the full
> set
> > of data for each
> > category.  The problem is that once you separate
> the
> > data, it is hard to put
> > it back together again, kind of like
> Humpty-Dumpty,
> > and you never know what
> > future requirements there may be, been there, done
> > that, don't ever want to
> > do it again:(
> > 
> > Nancy Lytle
> > EIS
> > nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > As I see it the worst possible case scenario is
> that
> > one record could become corrupt if the front-end
> > gets
> > whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> > temporarily I might add, storing one record. 
> Ever.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of
> > criteria
> > as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled,
> > and
> > I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> > trying to come up with the easiest, and most
> modular
> > way of handling it.
> > 
> > They are adamant about having one back-end table
> > that
> > contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> > table that contains the records that have been
> > contacted and have answered the questions, one
> table
> > that contains the "not-interested" responses, and
> > one
> > table that contains the "call me back later"
> > responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it
> that
> > way, nor what they are going to do with it once it
> > is
> > complete.
> > 
> > --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut
> > Status"
> > > field to the original
> > > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > > field. Doing it this way
> > > means you never need to move the data from table
> > to
> > > table, instead just
> > > change the values in those two fields. In
> > addition,
> > > there's no danger of
> > > data getting lost when and if the user's front
> end
> > > copy gets trashed /
> > > corrupted.
> > > 
> > > Lambert
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Frank Tanner III
> > > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > > To:	Database Advisors
> > > > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > 
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > > works
> > > > like this...
> > > > 
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > > create a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> > > will
> > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> will
> > > go
> > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > > this...
> > > > 
> > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> > from 
> > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> table
> > query, and stuffs 
> > > > it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > > > removes said
> > > record
> > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > > 
> > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > > "saved"
> > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> > table, 
> > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> > cleared/deleted.
> > > 
> > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> > of
> > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> > the
> > > Get
> > > > Information, this process starts all over
> again.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this. 
> Any
> > > > ideas?  Thank you.
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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Tue Oct 28 12:57:02 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:57:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509272@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

You can find them in the system tables.  They  are actually stored in
two separate tables.  I cannot recall the actual table names at the
moment, but if you take a look, I am sure you can figure out which ones
they are.

HTH

Jeff Barrows
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
Phone: (262) 634-0653
Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com
www.outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs

Hello,

any idea where/how A97 stores it's Import Wizard Import/Export specs?

TIA - Chris Foote
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 28 13:03:26 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:03:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of
	them?
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F36r6beUzmRf60000019a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEJOHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Don,

 Have a look at the module object and modules collection.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where do functions live? and how do I get a list of
them?


I would like to access (you should pardon the expression) the list
(collection?) of functions in a given standard module. So far, I have looked
at application.codedb and all it's pardners,without joy. For my app, the
point of it all is to get a list of functions in a drop down box. I cannot
get a handle on where theses things are. Access knows about them because the
code builder thingie knows about them.
Has anyone done this?
TIA,
_D


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 13:08:07 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:08:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
Message-ID: <BAY2-F104SOc7wo95EF0000bd28@hotmail.com>

They are in a couple hidden/system tables. Go into Options and select 
Display on Hidden and System tables and you will see them - in a database 
that HAS at least one. There is one table for the Spec Headers and another 
for the field detail. I think you can read them but not write to them. You 
can use them in queries.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Foote, Chris" <Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
>Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:20:25 -0000
>
>Hello,
>
>any idea where/how A97 stores it's Import Wizard Import/Export specs?
>
>TIA - Chris Foote
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From bridgetd at biostat.umn.edu  Tue Oct 28 13:11:46 2003
From: bridgetd at biostat.umn.edu (Bridget Doran)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:11:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding an object 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310281250320.24682-100000@squid.biostat.umn.edu>

Hi Group --

Using Access 2K - DAO

I am trying to display a subform only if there are related
records.

I have tried using Hide and Access says it does not support this Method.

Then I tried

If IsNull (cboProc.Column(0)) Then
Forms!frmAppointment.sfrmDental.Visible = False

This is actually a subform on a subform on a form.

Then I get an Object-Defined error.

Can I reference Subforms this way?

Thankyou for any help,

Bridget




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 13:34:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:34:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227409@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, I've done bar graphs, but the graph on saw immediate was a line graph.
Much more difficult in HTML...in fact, I'm not sure I'd know where to start
there.  As for the AccessReporterForIIS, looks a lot like what I had
developed on my own, but David's issue is that he wants to allow the user to
'print' all reports, or 'View all reports'.  Viewing is easy, printing (all)
is the problem.  I didn't look too deep into that application, did it have
that capability?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project


David

Have a look at this. Create a simple chart using ASP and HTML. Of the web.
Creates a simple bar chart. So it is possible. More complex examples are
available using .NET and there are lots of third party controls etc
available.

For the reports have a look at this

http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/AccessReporterForIIS/

I am not unbaised re this companies software as they provide me with free
licences for some of thier products.


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 13:39:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:39:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222740A@main2.marlow.com>

Make table off of a select Top 1 query, then delete it.  Again, this raises
the issue of 'simultaneous' users, which is why I recommended adding a
'toggle' field, to set that first, before doing anything else.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


I just want to be able to take record off of a
database.  Basically the first available one, no
specific criteria and plug it into a table" made via a
make table query.

The way I thought of doing it is pretty crappy.  I
thought about making a form (hidden) that uses that
database as it's bound property.  Then on form open
running a make table query to fill the "made" table
and then a delete query to selete the record, then the
invisible form shuts down.  But that's a pretty crappy
way of doing it.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> If you must you must.  What question do you have
> specifically about
> 'peeling' the record?
> 
> I would still put a flag in the main table, so that
> at the very start of the
> process, you set the flag, so the next instance of
> the process gets the next
> record.  Then I would copy the data to the local
> table, once copied, I would
> then simply delete the one on the server.
> 
> Is your question regarding code required to do it?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> That would be acceptable to me, whether or not it is
> acceptable to them.  HOWEVER, it still doesn't
> answer
> my original question.
> 
> Which was how to peel the record in the first place.
> 
> Then, regardless of how the END result is, my
> original
> question would still remain the same.
> 
> --- Nancy Lytle <nancy.lytle at auatac.com> wrote:
> > Why not a compromise?  Take the record from the
> > Master Table, put it into
> > temp and then put it into a new Table called
> > Processed with a category
> > column for completed, not interested and to be
> > contacted later.  Then create
> > three queries with each one giving you the full
> set
> > of data for each
> > category.  The problem is that once you separate
> the
> > data, it is hard to put
> > it back together again, kind of like
> Humpty-Dumpty,
> > and you never know what
> > future requirements there may be, been there, done
> > that, don't ever want to
> > do it again:(
> > 
> > Nancy Lytle
> > EIS
> > nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:46 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > As I see it the worst possible case scenario is
> that
> > one record could become corrupt if the front-end
> > gets
> > whacked.  Because the front-end would only be,
> > temporarily I might add, storing one record. 
> Ever.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I was given a specific set of
> > criteria
> > as to how they wanted the back-end to be handled,
> > and
> > I cannot deviate from that.  So, given that I am
> > trying to come up with the easiest, and most
> modular
> > way of handling it.
> > 
> > They are adamant about having one back-end table
> > that
> > contains all of the records to be pulled from, one
> > table that contains the records that have been
> > contacted and have answered the questions, one
> table
> > that contains the "not-interested" responses, and
> > one
> > table that contains the "call me back later"
> > responses.  I am not privvy to why they want it
> that
> > way, nor what they are going to do with it once it
> > is
> > complete.
> > 
> > --- "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I'd suggest you look at adding a "CheckedOut
> > Status"
> > > field to the original
> > > back-end table, and also a "Who checked it out"
> > > field. Doing it this way
> > > means you never need to move the data from table
> > to
> > > table, instead just
> > > change the values in those two fields. In
> > addition,
> > > there's no danger of
> > > data getting lost when and if the user's front
> end
> > > copy gets trashed /
> > > corrupted.
> > > 
> > > Lambert
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Frank Tanner III
> > > [SMTP:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 AM
> > > > To:	Database Advisors
> > > > Subject:	[AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > > 
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > > works
> > > > like this...
> > > > 
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > > create a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> > > will
> > > > never go back into that back-end table.  it
> will
> > > go
> > > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> > > this...
> > > > 
> > > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> > from 
> > > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make
> table
> > query, and stuffs 
> > > > it into a front-end table called
> > tmp_customer_info and completely 
> > > > removes said
> > > record
> > > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > > > 
> > > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> > > "saved"
> > > > to a different back-end table and the local
> > table, 
> > > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> > cleared/deleted.
> > > 
> > > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> > of
> > > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> > the
> > > Get
> > > > Information, this process starts all over
> again.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this. 
> Any
> > > > ideas?  Thank you.
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Oct 28 13:58:51 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:58:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227409@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c39d8d$e93378c0$e0f66e51@martin1>


I would think if you can print one report there must be a way to print them
all. Interesting problem. Have several of them at the moment so this one is
at bottom of list. But it has to be doable.

You could also try the Office Web Componets which do a fair job of graphing.
And can do line charts. Need to install them on the web server but they do a
good job once there. Can use them to produce a GIF of the chart and then
embed that in the page.

The code is at the bottom of this email.


Martin

Code to create a line chart using ASP and the Office Web Components. Not my
code but I had it here.

<% Option Explicit %>
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Chart Example</TITLE>
<!-- #include virtual="/include/adovbs.inc" -->
<%
Function ExportChartToGIF(objCSpace, strAbsFilePath, strRelFilePath)
	Dim strFileName
	Randomize
	strFileName = Timer & Rnd & ".gif"
	objCSpace.ExportPicture strAbsFilePath & "\" & strFileName, "gif", 600, 350
	ExportChartToGIF = strRelFilePath & "/" & strFileName
End Function

Sub CleanUpGIF(GIFpath)
	Dim objFS
	Dim objFolder
	Dim gif
	set objFS = Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
	set objFolder = objFS.GetFolder(GIFpath)
	for each gif in objFolder.Files
		if instr(gif.Name, ".gif") > 0 and DateDiff("n", gif.DateLastModified,
now) > 10 then
			objFS.DeleteFile GIFpath & "\" & gif.Name, True
		end if
	next
	set objFolder = nothing
	set objFS = nothing
End Sub

%>
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">
<%
dim objChartSpace
dim objChart
dim objSeries
dim objConn
dim objRS
dim c
dim series
dim strChartAbsPath
dim strChartRelPath
dim strChartFile
strChartAbsPath = Server.MapPath("/mypath/temp")
strChartRelPath = "temp"

set objChartSpace = Server.CreateObject("OWC.Chart")
set objChart = objChartSpace.Charts.Add()
set c = objChartSpace.Constants

objChart.Type = c.chChartTypeLineMarkers
objChart.HasLegend = True

set objConn = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
objConn.Open "provider=sqloledb;data source=myserver;initial
catalog=testdb;user id=myuid;password=mypswd;"
set objRS = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
set objRS.ActiveConnection = objConn
objRS.CursorType = adOpenStatic
objRS.CursorLocation = adUseClient
objRS.Open "select * from testscore order by test"
set objChartSpace.DataSource = objRS
objChart.SetData c.chDimSeriesNames, 0, "student"
for each objSeries in objChart.SeriesCollection
	objSeries.SetData c.chDimCategories, 0, "test"
	objSeries.SetData c.chDimValues, 0, "score"
next

for each axis in objChart.Axes
    axis.HasTitle = True
    if axis.Type = c.chCategoryAxis then
        axis.Title.Caption = "Test"
    else
        axis.Title.Caption = "Score"
    end if
next

objChart.SeriesCollection(2).Interior.Color = "red"
objChart.SeriesCollection(2).Line.Color = "red"

strChartFile = ExportChartToGIF(objChartSpace, strChartAbsPath,
strChartRelPath)
Response.Write "<IMG SRC=""" & strChartFile & """>" & "<P>"
CleanUpGIF strChartAbsPath

objRS.Close
set objRS = nothing
set objConn = nothing
set objSeries = nothing
set objChart = nothing
set objChartSpace = nothing
%>
</BODY>
</HTML>


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 14:38:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:38:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Web based Project
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222740F@main2.marlow.com>

Doesn't the office web components require the end users to have both IE AND
Office 2000 in order to work?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web based Project



I would think if you can print one report there must be a way to print them
all. Interesting problem. Have several of them at the moment so this one is
at bottom of list. But it has to be doable.

You could also try the Office Web Componets which do a fair job of graphing.
And can do line charts. Need to install them on the web server but they do a
good job once there. Can use them to produce a GIF of the chart and then
embed that in the page.

The code is at the bottom of this email.


Martin

Code to create a line chart using ASP and the Office Web Components. Not my
code but I had it here.

<% Option Explicit %>
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Chart Example</TITLE>
<!-- #include virtual="/include/adovbs.inc" -->
<%
Function ExportChartToGIF(objCSpace, strAbsFilePath, strRelFilePath)
	Dim strFileName
	Randomize
	strFileName = Timer & Rnd & ".gif"
	objCSpace.ExportPicture strAbsFilePath & "\" & strFileName, "gif",
600, 350
	ExportChartToGIF = strRelFilePath & "/" & strFileName
End Function

Sub CleanUpGIF(GIFpath)
	Dim objFS
	Dim objFolder
	Dim gif
	set objFS = Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
	set objFolder = objFS.GetFolder(GIFpath)
	for each gif in objFolder.Files
		if instr(gif.Name, ".gif") > 0 and DateDiff("n",
gif.DateLastModified,
now) > 10 then
			objFS.DeleteFile GIFpath & "\" & gif.Name, True
		end if
	next
	set objFolder = nothing
	set objFS = nothing
End Sub

%>
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">
<%
dim objChartSpace
dim objChart
dim objSeries
dim objConn
dim objRS
dim c
dim series
dim strChartAbsPath
dim strChartRelPath
dim strChartFile
strChartAbsPath = Server.MapPath("/mypath/temp")
strChartRelPath = "temp"

set objChartSpace = Server.CreateObject("OWC.Chart")
set objChart = objChartSpace.Charts.Add()
set c = objChartSpace.Constants

objChart.Type = c.chChartTypeLineMarkers
objChart.HasLegend = True

set objConn = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
objConn.Open "provider=sqloledb;data source=myserver;initial
catalog=testdb;user id=myuid;password=mypswd;"
set objRS = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
set objRS.ActiveConnection = objConn
objRS.CursorType = adOpenStatic
objRS.CursorLocation = adUseClient
objRS.Open "select * from testscore order by test"
set objChartSpace.DataSource = objRS
objChart.SetData c.chDimSeriesNames, 0, "student"
for each objSeries in objChart.SeriesCollection
	objSeries.SetData c.chDimCategories, 0, "test"
	objSeries.SetData c.chDimValues, 0, "score"
next

for each axis in objChart.Axes
    axis.HasTitle = True
    if axis.Type = c.chCategoryAxis then
        axis.Title.Caption = "Test"
    else
        axis.Title.Caption = "Score"
    end if
next

objChart.SeriesCollection(2).Interior.Color = "red"
objChart.SeriesCollection(2).Line.Color = "red"

strChartFile = ExportChartToGIF(objChartSpace, strChartAbsPath,
strChartRelPath)
Response.Write "<IMG SRC=""" & strChartFile & """>" & "<P>"
CleanUpGIF strChartAbsPath

objRS.Close
set objRS = nothing
set objConn = nothing
set objSeries = nothing
set objChart = nothing
set objChartSpace = nothing
%>
</BODY>
</HTML>

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 16:06:38 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:06:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031028160638.262983920.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

Have any of you uploaded an Access back end to a web server capable of "handling" Access? I'm a bit confused by my web host's claim to support unlimited Access databases. Are we talking uploading the back end, say, and establishing an ODBC link to it sort of like an ODBC link to a SQL Server database?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Oct 28 16:20:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:20:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227416@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, but not the way you are thinking.  The first sub-contract job I did for
my sister was for a company that was hosted by a hosting company that
'supported' Access.  It also supported ActiveX .dll's.  So I wrote a .dll to
interact with the database, the .dll used ADO to connect to the db, and for
the path to the db, it just used the path to the .dll.  Therefore, I
uploaded the .dll and the db to the same folder.  Worked like a charm.

In most occasions, I am writing stuff for IIS servers I have DIRECT access
too.  In those cases, I actually put the .mdb in a location that is NOT
visible to the web, then I hard code the actual path into the .dll.  Thus,
the asp pages can interact with the .dll, but the .mdb is never directly
visible to the user.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Dear Group,

Have any of you uploaded an Access back end to a web server capable of
"handling" Access? I'm a bit confused by my web host's claim to support
unlimited Access databases. Are we talking uploading the back end, say, and
establishing an ODBC link to it sort of like an ODBC link to a SQL Server
database?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From James at fcidms.com  Tue Oct 28 17:01:45 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:01:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251BE9A4@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250DF563@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

Steve,
I've done that. My web host has a special directory to upload Access
databases into and then allows me to create a dsn to use in asp pages.
You must use ADO to access the data so it isn't like an ODBC link. It
does not allow links from outside so you can't create an Access
front-end and link to the tables, you must create asp pages for all data
access. You need to make sure their MDAC supports your version of
Access. I can probably dig up the connection string I use if you need
it.

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Dear Group,

Have any of you uploaded an Access back end to a web server capable of
"handling" Access? I'm a bit confused by my web host's claim to support
unlimited Access databases. Are we talking uploading the back end, say,
and establishing an ODBC link to it sort of like an ODBC link to a SQL
Server database?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Oct 28 19:23:45 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:23:45 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding an object 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310281250320.24682-100000@squid.biostat.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <014401c39dbb$4c777c10$3c619a89@DDICK>

Bridget
Example dB sent of list
Any me too's to d.dick at uws.edu.au
Me too's that come via AccessD will be ignored

Have funn y'all

Darren


Replies that en----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridget Doran" <bridgetd at biostat.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:11 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding an object 


> Hi Group --
> 
> Using Access 2K - DAO
> 
> I am trying to display a subform only if there are related
> records.
> 
> I have tried using Hide and Access says it does not support this Method.
> 
> Then I tried
> 
> If IsNull (cboProc.Column(0)) Then
> Forms!frmAppointment.sfrmDental.Visible = False
> 
> This is actually a subform on a subform on a form.
> 
> Then I get an Object-Defined error.
> 
> Can I reference Subforms this way?
> 
> Thankyou for any help,
> 
> Bridget
> 
> 
> 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 02:48:39 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:48:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227416@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c39dfa$3abd3890$9111758f@aine>

Worked on one hosted DB. The Access back end was FTPd up to a folder on the
web Server used ODBC for the connections and ASP for the pages. Worked like
a charm. Still sworking.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


> Yes, but not the way you are thinking.  The first sub-contract job I did
for
> my sister was for a company that was hosted by a hosting company that
> 'supported' Access.  It also supported ActiveX .dll's.  So I wrote a .dll
to
> interact with the database, the .dll used ADO to connect to the db, and
for
> the path to the db, it just used the path to the .dll.  Therefore, I
> uploaded the .dll and the db to the same folder.  Worked like a charm.
>
> In most occasions, I am writing stuff for IIS servers I have DIRECT access
> too.  In those cases, I actually put the .mdb in a location that is NOT
> visible to the web, then I hard code the actual path into the .dll.  Thus,
> the asp pages can interact with the .dll, but the .mdb is never directly
> visible to the user.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> Have any of you uploaded an Access back end to a web server capable of
> "handling" Access? I'm a bit confused by my web host's claim to support
> unlimited Access databases. Are we talking uploading the back end, say,
and
> establishing an ODBC link to it sort of like an ODBC link to a SQL Server
> database?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 06:45:39 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:45:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031029064539.1860689426.serbach@new.rr.com>

James, Drew, and Martin,

Well, your answers are all very clear: Access can only be used as the back end on the GoreNet if one uses ADO and ASP to get at it. This is what I needed to know. Thank you.

Steve Erbach



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 29 07:06:30 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:06:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual Basic 6
Message-ID: <29257532.1067432790075.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

To all,
I know I have done this before but for the life of me can't remember how, and can't find the code in any of my old projects.
I have a VB6 application that generates a SQL string, I need to save the SQL string as a query in my Access(XP) database
Can someone please tell me how to do this (even sample code if you can), before I pull whats left of my hair out.
Paul Hartland
Database Designer/Developer (so they say)..........

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Oct 29 07:06:30 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:06:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] 
	Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual Basic 6
Message-ID: <29257532.1067432790075.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

To all,
I know I have done this before but for the life of me can't remember how, and can't find the code in any of my old projects.
I have a VB6 application that generates a SQL string, I need to save the SQL string as a query in my Access(XP) database
Can someone please tell me how to do this (even sample code if you can), before I pull whats left of my hair out.
Paul Hartland
Database Designer/Developer (so they say)..........
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct 29 07:58:46 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:58:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FC@nt04.karta.com>


I have an Access database BE to an ASP FE accessed by over 50 clients via
the web.  I also have an Access FE connected to the same BE for the folks in
the office.  I FTP the FE (Access and ASP) and BE to the directories when
changes have been made. The ASP files do reside in a separate directory, but
only to keep the ASP files together.
What did I miss?
Why can't Access be used as a FE when using ASP?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


James, Drew, and Martin,

Well, your answers are all very clear: Access can only be used as the back
end on the GoreNet if one uses ADO and ASP to get at it. This is what I
needed to know. Thank you.

Steve Erbach


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 08:11:56 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:11:56 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
References: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FC@nt04.karta.com>
Message-ID: <000701c39e26$9c8084c0$9111758f@aine>

Access is the BE, ASP provides the front end to the user on the web.

Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hewson" <JHewson at karta.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


>
> I have an Access database BE to an ASP FE accessed by over 50 clients via
> the web.  I also have an Access FE connected to the same BE for the folks
in
> the office.  I FTP the FE (Access and ASP) and BE to the directories when
> changes have been made. The ASP files do reside in a separate directory,
but
> only to keep the ASP files together.
> What did I miss?
> Why can't Access be used as a FE when using ASP?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
>
>
> James, Drew, and Martin,
>
> Well, your answers are all very clear: Access can only be used as the back
> end on the GoreNet if one uses ADO and ASP to get at it. This is what I
> needed to know. Thank you.
>
> Steve Erbach
>
>
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>


From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 08:29:01 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:29:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031029082901.626830210.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

Thanks for your input. Are you saying that some clients get to the Access BE via ASP on a web page and your other (LAN) clients get at in the usual way with a FE/BE situation? My question was directed specifically at Internet access. That is, if I've got the BE mounted on a web server then, apparently, the only way to get to the data is through an ADO connection via ASP pages.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Wed Oct 29 08:38:23 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:38:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48026B1EE9@NEWMAN_EXC>

Not necessarily the case.  We have a "db server" of sorts which houses all
of our backend dbs.  I think, as long as you create the guest account for
IIS (IUSR_{machine name}) on the network, you can access the backend.  We do
use a FE/BE solution for in-house workers but ASP/BE for the rest.  They are
attached to the same BE, just access it differently.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet

Jim,

Thanks for your input. Are you saying that some clients get to the Access BE
via ASP on a web page and your other (LAN) clients get at in the usual way
with a FE/BE situation? My question was directed specifically at Internet
access. That is, if I've got the BE mounted on a web server then,
apparently, the only way to get to the data is through an ADO connection via
ASP pages.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 08:51:57 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:51:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
	ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELOFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c39e2c$33a0c630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of my client.
Thank you for the code.

I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.  Although at
most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.

Best,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database and
> how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
> database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
> with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
very
> dramatic.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> OpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the code.
>
> It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
>
> I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
>
> (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without For -
> and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
>
> fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
>
> in the original with
>
> fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
>
> in the new version.)
>
> Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
>
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> tsCheckTableLinksNew
>
> The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
about
> right?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> inTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Here's what I did:
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> >
> > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset
per
> > BE to speed up db
> > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > #Const LogIt = True
> > #Const TimeIt = False
> >
> > *********
> > Then add in a new function below:
> >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> Table.
> > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > '
> > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String)
> As
> > Boolean
> >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> >    Dim var As Variant
> >
> >    On Error Resume Next
> >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> >    If err <> 0 Then
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> >    Else
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> >    End If
> >    On Error GoTo 0
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name
as
> > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset,
> but
> > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> >
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> >
> >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > #Const TestNew = True
> > #If TestNew Then
> >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
Then
> > #Else
> >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > #End If
> >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> >             '.valid table link is found.
> >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
instead
> > of the old.
> >
> > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> > Tribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
> modify
> > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster
> over
> > a network?
> >
> > MTIA and regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed Oct 29 08:58:04 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:58:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
Message-ID: <001901c39e2d$121a3450$afb31bac@t740449>

I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
 
Anyone know what's going on?
 
Nancy Lytle
EIS
nancy.lytle at auatac.com
202-314-1393
 

From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 09:15:49 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:15:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031029091549.1193609634.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jarad,

>> I think, as long as you create the guest account for IIS (IUSR_{machine name}) on the network, you can access the backend. <<

Again, the situation I described was related to connecting to an Access BE residing on a web server. As you point out, ASP is needed for anyone not on your LAN.

Thanks for your reply.

Regards,

Steve Erbach


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 29 09:27:10 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:27:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7865@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Nancy,

How is the API call declared? It should look like this...

Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Which line generates the Out Of Stack Space error?

What is the value being returned in lngLen? Does it make sense, like "9", or
is it some ridiculous value?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nancy Lytle [SMTP:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
> To:	Accessd
> Subject:	[AccessD] Out of stack space
> 
> I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
> function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
>  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Here is the function code:
> Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
> On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName
> 
>     'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
>     Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
>     Dim strUserName As String
>         strUserName = String$(254, 0)
>         lngLen = 255
>         lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
>         If lngX <> 0 Then
>             fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
>         Else
>             fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
>         End If
> Exit_fcnOSUserName:
> Exit Function
> 
> Err_fcnOSUserName:
> 
> Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
>     Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
> End Function
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>  
> It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
> of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
> debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
>  
> Anyone know what's going on?
>  
> Nancy Lytle
> EIS
> nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> 202-314-1393
>  
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 09:32:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:32:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
	DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <003c01c39e2c$33a0c630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Rocky,

I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I try to map a
drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an email re
this subject a month or two ago.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


John:

Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of my client.
Thank you for the code.

I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.  Although at
most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.

Best,

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database and
> how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
> database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
> with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
very
> dramatic.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> OpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the code.
>
> It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
>
> I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
>
> (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without For -
> and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
>
> fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
>
> in the original with
>
> fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
>
> in the new version.)
>
> Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
>
> tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> tsCheckTableLinksNew
>
> The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
about
> right?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> inTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Here's what I did:
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> >
> > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset
per
> > BE to speed up db
> > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > #Const LogIt = True
> > #Const TimeIt = False
> >
> > *********
> > Then add in a new function below:
> >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> Table.
> > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > '
> > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As String)
> As
> > Boolean
> >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> >    Dim var As Variant
> >
> >    On Error Resume Next
> >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> >    If err <> 0 Then
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> >    Else
> >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> >    End If
> >    On Error GoTo 0
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name
as
> > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single recordset,
> but
> > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> >
> >
> > *********
> > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> >
> >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > #Const TestNew = True
> > #If TestNew Then
> >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
Then
> > #Else
> >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > #End If
> >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> >             '.valid table link is found.
> >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> >
> > *********
> > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
instead
> > of the old.
> >
> > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> > Tribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
> modify
> > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks faster
> over
> > a network?
> >
> > MTIA and regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 09:33:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:33:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
In-Reply-To: <001901c39e2d$121a3450$afb31bac@t740449>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Out of stack space usually means a recursive call that isn't ever backing
out, i.e. just recursing continuously until all memory is used.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space


I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.

Anyone know what's going on?

Nancy Lytle
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Wed Oct 29 09:34:06 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:34:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
Message-ID: <sf9f97a8.013@cbc.ca>

I *think* the problem is that you are create a string with a length of
254 characters

strUserName = String$(254, 0)

and then telling the API that the buffer is 255 characters

lngLen = 255
lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)

Either change lngLen to 254 or make strUserName 255 characters.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> nancy.lytle at auatac.com 29-Oct-03 9:58:04 AM >>>
I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call
my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get
rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
 
Anyone know what's going on?
 
Nancy Lytle
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Oct 29 09:38:04 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:38:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067045A@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF86@ADGSERVER>

Just a WAG, but is this code in a large module?  If so, you might want to
try putting it in it's own module.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space


I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
 
Anyone know what's going on?
 
Nancy Lytle
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed Oct 29 09:42:02 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:42:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7865@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c39e33$35ec5fb0$afb31bac@t740449>

Thanks for the reply, Lambert,

The problem comes up when the MainMenu is opened or "current" in the
following code are:

Private Sub Form_Current()
Call fcnOSUserName >>>> this is where it stops, and it never had any problem
before.
...code to show certain controls depending on the user....
End sub

Note:  fcnOSUserName is set out in a module containing the startup function
like relinking, setting user group, etc.

Access crashed just a bit ago (for a different reason) and it gave the
"sorry for the inconvenience message" then did a repair and restart and the
problem is gone - even though I had done a compact and repair.  I guess
maybe I should have tried a decompile, recompile too.

So, I don't know what caused it, but to be safe I think I will create a new
db and import everything into it, a piece at a time.

Thanks,

Nancy Lytle
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Out of stack space


Nancy,

How is the API call declared? It should look like this...

Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Which line generates the Out Of Stack Space error?

What is the value being returned in lngLen? Does it make sense, like "9", or
is it some ridiculous value?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nancy Lytle [SMTP:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
> To:	Accessd
> Subject:	[AccessD] Out of stack space
> 
> I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call 
> my function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
>  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Here is the function code:
> Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
> On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName
> 
>     'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
>     Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
>     Dim strUserName As String
>         strUserName = String$(254, 0)
>         lngLen = 255
>         lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
>         If lngX <> 0 Then
>             fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
>         Else
>             fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
>         End If
> Exit_fcnOSUserName:
> Exit Function
> 
> Err_fcnOSUserName:
> 
> Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
>     Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
> End Function
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>  
> It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get 
> rid of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to 
> end or debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
>  
> Anyone know what's going on?
>  
> Nancy Lytle
> EIS
> nancy.lytle at auatac.com
> 202-314-1393
>  
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Wed Oct 29 09:44:21 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:44:21 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Out of stack space
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059D9F@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

Bryan,

this code works under NT, W2K, and 9x
I use it myself, exactly the same code,
just checked in a db of mine......

alun


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Bryan
Carbonnell
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2003 16:34
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Out of stack space


I *think* the problem is that you are create a string with a length of
254 characters

strUserName = String$(254, 0)

and then telling the API that the buffer is 255 characters

lngLen = 255
lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)

Either change lngLen to 254 or make strUserName 255 characters.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> nancy.lytle at auatac.com 29-Oct-03 9:58:04 AM >>>
I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call
my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get
rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.
 
Anyone know what's going on?
 
Nancy Lytle
EIS
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202-314-1393
 
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed Oct 29 09:47:29 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:47:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002101c39e33$f8ea2100$afb31bac@t740449>

John - I'll bet that's it, I put in a requery for the form so I could update
a text box (to increase the database version number) with the press of a
button, and I put it in the wrong place.  Now it seems to be okay.  I guess
it was just coincidence that I made the change at a time when it would make
it appear to be related to the Windows or Office versions.

Thanks Brian and Bobby for your replies also. 

Nancy Lytle
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202-314-1393


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Out of stack space


Out of stack space usually means a recursive call that isn't ever backing
out, i.e. just recursing continuously until all memory is used.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:58 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Out of stack space


I just got Windows XP and Office XP loaded at work.  Now when I call my
function to grab the user name I get an "out of stack space" error.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the function code:
Public Function fcnOSUserName() As String
On Error GoTo Err_fcnOSUserName

    'Returns the network login name from the Operating System
    Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
    Dim strUserName As String
        strUserName = String$(254, 0)
        lngLen = 255
        lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
        If lngX <> 0 Then
            fcnOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
        Else
            fcnOSUserName = vbNullString
        End If
Exit_fcnOSUserName:
Exit Function

Err_fcnOSUserName:

Call LogError(Err.Number, Err.Description, "fcnOSUserName()")
    Resume Exit_fcnOSUserName
End Function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It still logs in the user name to my userlog table but I'd like to get rid
of the error since it stops the program and asks if you want to end or
debug.  My users would freak out if they saw this.

Anyone know what's going on?

Nancy Lytle
EIS
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202-314-1393

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 09:50:41 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:50:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJAEEDFMAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
	<002901c39d51$16945ec0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <009d01c39e34$6813c540$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bob:

That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below the
text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid' approach
to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of text I made the
text line and the bullet the same height and turned the bullet on and off
depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So avoided the whole
problem instead of solving it.

But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that made
the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.

Rocky

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From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Bob
>
> ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you show
> the bullet or not?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > William
> >
> > ***************************************************
> > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
> > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then
> > txtBullet = Null
> > txtBullet.Visible = False
> > Else
> > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> > txtBullet.Visible = True
> > End If
> > End Sub
> > ***************************************************
> >
> > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
> > CanShrink=Yes.
> >
> > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
> >
> > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
> >
> >  [_] [_____________________________]
> >
> > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Gajewski
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline with
> your
> > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > indent -
> > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted with
> the
> > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet to
> the
> > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a bulleted
> list
> > in
> > > a Word doc.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > concatenate
> > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
which
> > are
> > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> boilerplate
> > > > header text.
> > > >
> > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.  So
> far,
> > > so
> > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
Italic
> > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > >
> > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
tried
> > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
with
> > the
> > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I make
> the
> > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except that
> > because
> > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > >
> > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > >
> > > > It comes out like this:
> > > >
> > > >              Text One.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >              Text Two.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
bulleted
> > list
> > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From j.frederick at att.net  Wed Oct 29 09:56:04 2003
From: j.frederick at att.net (John Frederick)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:56:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
In-Reply-To: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FC@nt04.karta.com>
Message-ID: <KIEBKJDMKEHOPCJLKNAFEEFFCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>

When you say you have an "Access FE connected to the same BE for the folks
in the office", I assume you have an private web host and its directories
are reacheable through a LAN.  If you're using a separate web hosting
service, you can connect an Access FE using a commercial package named
Webdrive($50/copy) that uses FTP and maps the web site root into the remote
machine as a drive letter.  I have an app in operation in which the
web-based mdb is updated using code in the local Access system.  There are
some gotchas associated with this operation.  John Frederick

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet



I have an Access database BE to an ASP FE accessed by over 50 clients via
the web.  I also have an Access FE connected to the same BE for the folks in
the office.  I FTP the FE (Access and ASP) and BE to the directories when
changes have been made. The ASP files do reside in a separate directory, but
only to keep the ASP files together.
What did I miss?
Why can't Access be used as a FE when using ASP?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


James, Drew, and Martin,

Well, your answers are all very clear: Access can only be used as the back
end on the GoreNet if one uses ADO and ASP to get at it. This is what I
needed to know. Thank you.

Steve Erbach


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 10:05:24 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:05:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
	ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
links or if just checking one to see if the database is there would suffice.

Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
the location it's expected to be.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I try to map a
> drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an email
re
> this subject a month or two ago.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
> DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of my client.
> Thank you for the code.
>
> I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.  Although
at
> most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
> usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
> splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database
and
> > how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
> > database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
> > with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
> very
> > dramatic.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> > OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > Thanks for the code.
> >
> > It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> >
> > I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> >
> > (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without
For -
> > and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> >
> > fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> >
> > in the original with
> >
> > fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> >
> > in the new version.)
> >
> > Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> >
> > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> > tsCheckTableLinksNew
> >
> > The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
> about
> > right?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> > inTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Here's what I did:
> > >
> > > *********
> > > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> > >
> > > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset
> per
> > > BE to speed up db
> > > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > > #Const LogIt = True
> > > #Const TimeIt = False
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Then add in a new function below:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> > Table.
> > > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > > '
> > > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> > >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As
String)
> > As
> > > Boolean
> > >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > >    Dim var As Variant
> > >
> > >    On Error Resume Next
> > >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> > >    If err <> 0 Then
> > >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> > >    Else
> > >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> > >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> > >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> > >    End If
> > >    On Error GoTo 0
> > >
> > > End Function
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name
> as
> > > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single
recordset,
> > but
> > > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> > >
> > >
> > > *********
> > > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> > >
> > >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > > #Const TestNew = True
> > > #If TestNew Then
> > >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
> Then
> > > #Else
> > >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > > #End If
> > >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> > >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> > >             '.valid table link is found.
> > >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
> instead
> > > of the old.
> > >
> > > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> > > Tribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
> > modify
> > > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks
faster
> > over
> > > a network?
> > >
> > > MTIA and regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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>
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct 29 10:19:07 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:19:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FE@nt04.karta.com>

Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with Access?
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Jim,

Thanks for your input. Are you saying that some clients get to the Access BE
via ASP on a web page and your other (LAN) clients get at in the usual way
with a FE/BE situation? My question was directed specifically at Internet
access. That is, if I've got the BE mounted on a web server then,
apparently, the only way to get to the data is through an ADO connection via
ASP pages.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 10:22:03 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:22:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEPLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Rocky,
I just check for one table. If you have more than one linked source then, of
course, this wouldn't be wise.

I have a function which accepts a table name as a parameter and check the
link. I guess it is making the assumption that if one table is OK they all
are - it's usually not a good thing to assume - but I haven't heard of any
other reason this idea is flawed. It will be interesting to watch this
thread.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
> KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
> would suffice.
>
> Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
> the location it's expected to be.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
> ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I
> try to map a
> > drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an email
> re
> > this subject a month or two ago.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
> > DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of
> my client.
> > Thank you for the code.
> >
> > I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.
>  Although
> at
> > most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
> > usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
> > splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> > ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database
> and
> > > how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more
> people in the
> > > database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus
> the speedup
> > > with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
> > very
> > > dramatic.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> > > OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the code.
> > >
> > > It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> > >
> > > I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> > > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> > >
> > > (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without
> For -
> > > and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> > >
> > > fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> > >
> > > in the original with
> > >
> > > fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> > >
> > > in the new version.)
> > >
> > > Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> > >
> > > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> > > tsCheckTableLinksNew
> > >
> > > The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
> > about
> > > right?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> > > inTribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > Here's what I did:
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> > > >
> > > > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one
> open recordset
> > per
> > > > BE to speed up db
> > > > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > > > #Const LogIt = True
> > > > #Const TimeIt = False
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > Then add in a new function below:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> '-----------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> > > > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> > > Table.
> > > > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > > > '
> > > > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > > > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> '-----------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> > > > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As
> String)
> > > As
> > > > Boolean
> > > >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > > >    Dim var As Variant
> > > >
> > > >    On Error Resume Next
> > > >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> > > >    If err <> 0 Then
> > > >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> > > >    Else
> > > >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> > > >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> > > >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> > > >    End If
> > > >    On Error GoTo 0
> > > >
> > > > End Function
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with
> the BE name
> > as
> > > > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single
> recordset,
> > > but
> > > > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> > > >
> > > >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > > > #Const TestNew = True
> > > > #If TestNew Then
> > > >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
> > Then
> > > > #Else
> > > >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > > > #End If
> > > >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> > > >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> > > >             '.valid table link is found.
> > > >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> > > >
> > > > *********
> > > > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
> > instead
> > > > of the old.
> > > >
> > > > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> Connection Open in
> > > > Tribble'sRelinker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody
> know how to
> > > modify
> > > > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks
> faster
> > > over
> > > > a network?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA and regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 10:32:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:32:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPMFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

You know, I think there are options that you can set to do what you are
talking about.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


John:

I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
links or if just checking one to see if the database is there would suffice.

Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
the location it's expected to be.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Rocky,
>
> I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I try to map a
> drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an email
re
> this subject a month or two ago.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
> DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> John:
>
> Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of my client.
> Thank you for the code.
>
> I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.  Although
at
> most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.  I
> usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on the
> splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes necessary.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the database
and
> > how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more people in the
> > database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus the speedup
> > with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can be
> very
> > dramatic.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> > OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > Thanks for the code.
> >
> > It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> >
> > I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> >
> > (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without
For -
> > and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> >
> > fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> >
> > in the original with
> >
> > fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> >
> > in the new version.)
> >
> > Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> >
> > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> > tsCheckTableLinksNew
> >
> > The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is this
> about
> > right?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open
> > inTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Here's what I did:
> > >
> > > *********
> > > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> > >
> > > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one open recordset
> per
> > > BE to speed up db
> > > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > > #Const LogIt = True
> > > #Const TimeIt = False
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Then add in a new function below:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open the
> > Table.
> > > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > > '
> > > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> > >
> >
>
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As
String)
> > As
> > > Boolean
> > >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > >    Dim var As Variant
> > >
> > >    On Error Resume Next
> > >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> > >    If err <> 0 Then
> > >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> > >    Else
> > >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> > >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> > >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> > >    End If
> > >    On Error GoTo 0
> > >
> > > End Function
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with the BE name
> as
> > > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single
recordset,
> > but
> > > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> > >
> > >
> > > *********
> > > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> > >
> > >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > > #Const TestNew = True
> > > #If TestNew Then
> > >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False
> Then
> > > #Else
> > >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > > #End If
> > >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> > >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after first
> > >             '.valid table link is found.
> > >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> > >
> > > *********
> > > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
> instead
> > > of the old.
> > >
> > > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection Open in
> > > Tribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody know how to
> > modify
> > > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks
faster
> > over
> > > a network?
> > >
> > > MTIA and regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 10:43:10 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:43:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031029104310.2077432229.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

>> Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with Access? <<

Wouldn't that be essentially the same as using a LAN connection? That is, the remote user "tunnels" into the LAN using a VPN connection, but shows a regular Windows desktop as if he were using PCAnywhere. Something like terminal server?

Steve


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 29 10:38:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:38:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You probably had the textbox positioned slightly above the bullet.  Try
top aligning them.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


Bob:

That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below
the text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid'
approach to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of
text I made the text line and the bullet the same height and turned the
bullet on and off depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So
avoided the whole problem instead of solving it.

But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that
made the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> Bob
>
> ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you 
> show the bullet or not?
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
> lifetime?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > William
> >
> > ***************************************************
> > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

> > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then txtBullet = Null
> > txtBullet.Visible = False
> > Else
> > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> > txtBullet.Visible = True
> > End If
> > End Sub
> > ***************************************************
> >
> > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and 
> > CanShrink=Yes.
> >
> > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
> >
> > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
> >
> >  [_] [_____________________________]
> >
> > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Gajewski
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William 
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline 
> > with
> your
> > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH

> > :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > indent -
> > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted 
> > > with
> the
> > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet

> > > to
> the
> > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a 
> > > bulleted
> list
> > in
> > > a Word doc.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > concatenate
> > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
which
> > are
> > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> boilerplate
> > > > header text.
> > > >
> > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.

> > > > So
> far,
> > > so
> > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
Italic
> > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > >
> > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
tried
> > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
with
> > the
> > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I 
> > > > make
> the
> > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except 
> > > > that
> > because
> > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > >
> > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > >
> > > > It comes out like this:
> > > >
> > > >              Text One.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >              Text Two.
> > > > (bullet)
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
bulleted
> > list
> > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software 
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 29 10:54:18 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:54:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123F0@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give them the result they're
looking for and hide the details so they don't realize I did it right
instead of the way they wanted it done.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same boat many
times....fortunately, the people I work with don't have the first clue
of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.  <evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
heheheh

Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
sense into people, they still wanna do what they wanna
do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do. 
Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my boss,
I lose....hehehe

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off
> of the top of my head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have
> mobile databases.  Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY possibility of 
> > duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of different 
> > functions based upon the data in tables specific to certain 
> > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a questionnaire go into one 
> > table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you. _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> >
> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 10:55:14 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:55:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
In-Reply-To: <20031029104310.2077432229.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20031029165514.31053.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com>

VPN is nothing like Terminal Server.

VPN (Virtual Private Networking) creates a "tunnel" to
act as a LAN connection to a private network via the
Internet.  This "virtual private network" tunnel
allows you to act as if you were physically hard-wired
to the LAN.

You're thinking of VNC.  Which is an Open
Source/Freeware remote desktop tool similar to
PCanywhere/Terminal Server/Citrix Metaframe.

--- "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com> wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> >> Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with
> Access? <<
> 
> Wouldn't that be essentially the same as using a LAN
> connection? That is, the remote user "tunnels" into
> the LAN using a VPN connection, but shows a regular
> Windows desktop as if he were using PCAnywhere.
> Something like terminal server?
> 
> Steve
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct 29 11:01:48 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:01:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E112502@nt04.karta.com>

That's correct.
I've used Windows XP to VPN to my work network drives and have been able to
connect to a BE.  I have mapped the drives at home the same as at work.  I
do have broadband internet connection at home... it is slightly slower than
at work but it does the job I need.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Jim,

>> Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with Access? <<

Wouldn't that be essentially the same as using a LAN connection? That is,
the remote user "tunnels" into the LAN using a VPN connection, but shows a
regular Windows desktop as if he were using PCAnywhere. Something like
terminal server?

Steve

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Oct 29 10:52:47 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:22:47 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227332@main2.marlow.com>
	<000601c39342$585e3740$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <00a901c39e3d$5722adb0$02edf73d@winxp>

Lonnie,

    You may like to have a look at the sample database file named MatchCombinations_2K.zip just prepared by me. 

    It is available at Rogers Access Library (Other Developer's Section) and can be accessed at the following link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

    The db is in Access 2000 file format, developed on Access XP installation. Some of the salient features are outlined in the note given below.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
Description (MatchCombinations_2K.zip) -
    This is an exercise in matching largest possible combinations of positive and negative values for a given field in the database so that their overall values offset each other. This information is relevant to certain systems of book keeping. 
    In order to achieve best results, at the same time avoiding unaffordable slowing down in processing each and every possible combination (the number of theoretically possible combinations could assume astronomical proportions as the total number of records in the database increases), following sort sequence is adopted for positive and negative values before computing their running sums, each subset of which is in turn subjected to cartesian comparison -
    (a) Pos Asc,         Neg Asc
    (b) Pos Asc,         Neg Desc
    (c) Pos Desc,       Neg Asc
    (d) Pos Desc,       Neg Desc
    (e) Pos Random, Neg Random

    Finally, the best result out of the above can be displayed on clicking the appropriate command button.
---------------------------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 23:02
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem


  ...one record against another ...but afaik, not multiple combinations of 2,
  3, 4, 5, etc

  William Hindman
  "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
  those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
  have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
  ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:16 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem

  > JET runs every possible combination when you don't give it something to
  JOIN
  > with.  That forces the all combination loop.
  >
  > Drew
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:08 PM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem>
  >
  > ...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
  > lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum
  to
  > zero?
  >
  > William Hindman
  > "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
  > those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
  > have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
  > ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal">
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
  > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem>
  >
  > > What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
  > between
  > > the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
  > > create the combinations for you.  The last field would be a sum of the
  > other
  > > fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
  > >
  > > Drew
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
  > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem> >
  > >
  > > I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would accomplish this.  I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution would be over my head.  The first stumbling block is allowing for any
  > > possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
  > > records in the recordset.  The second is tracking each "hit" without
  > > repeating that combination later on in a different order.  I'm usually a
  > > "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".> >
  > >
  > > Mark
  > >
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
  > > To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
  > > Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
  > >
  > >
  > > This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.
  > >
  > > Example:
  > >
  > > MyField
  > >    5
  > >   -2
  > >    7
  > >   -3
  > >    6
  > >
  > > This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
  > (5, -2, -3).
  > > I hope someone has something.> >
  > >
  > >
  > > Lonnie Johnson
  > > ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
  > > Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us


From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 11:21:17 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:21:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
In-Reply-To: <00a901c39e3d$5722adb0$02edf73d@winxp>
Message-ID: <20031029172117.25760.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com>



Thanks A.D.Tejpal



"A.D.Tejpal" <adtp at touchtelindia.net> wrote: Lonnie,

You may like to have a look at the sample database file named MatchCombinations_2K.zip just prepared by me. 

It is available at Rogers Access Library (Other Developer's Section) and can be accessed at the following link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.

The db is in Access 2000 file format, developed on Access XP installation. Some of the salient features are outlined in the note given below.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
Description (MatchCombinations_2K.zip) -
This is an exercise in matching largest possible combinations of positive and negative values for a given field in the database so that their overall values offset each other. This information is relevant to certain systems of book keeping. 
In order to achieve best results, at the same time avoiding unaffordable slowing down in processing each and every possible combination (the number of theoretically possible combinations could assume astronomical proportions as the total number of records in the database increases), following sort sequence is adopted for positive and negative values before computing their running sums, each subset of which is in turn subjected to cartesian comparison -
(a) Pos Asc, Neg Asc
(b) Pos Asc, Neg Desc
(c) Pos Desc, Neg Asc
(d) Pos Desc, Neg Desc
(e) Pos Random, Neg Random

Finally, the best result out of the above can be displayed on clicking the appropriate command button.
---------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: William Hindman 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 23:02
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem


...one record against another ...but afaik, not multiple combinations of 2,
3, 4, 5, etc

William Hindman
"The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" 
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem

> JET runs every possible combination when you don't give it something to
JOIN
> with. That forces the all combination loop.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:08 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Math Problem>
>
> ...I can see something like that working for a two record compare but you
> lose me when you start looking at several records that could together sum
to
> zero?
>
> William Hindman
> "The future will not belong to those who are cynical or
> those who stand on the sidelines. The future will belong to those who
> have passion and are willing to work hard to make our country better."
> ...Paul Wellstone "The Conscience of a Liberal">
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" 
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem>
>
> > What I was going to suggest, was to create an SQL string with a Join
> between
> > the same table over and over (for each number of records), then let JET
> > create the combinations for you. The last field would be a sum of the
> other
> > fields, so you would just need to add a criteria where the sum equals 0.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:21 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Math Problem> >
> >
> > I am waiting in anticipation for even a suggestion of how one would accomplish this. I am not a math or coding genius by any stretch, but a little refresher research on combinations confirmed that coding a solution would be over my head. The first stumbling block is allowing for any
> > possible combination of records up to and including the max number of
> > records in the recordset. The second is tracking each "hit" without
> > repeating that combination later on in a different order. I'm usually a
> > "glass is half full" kind of guy...but "yikes".> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:31 PM
> > To: 'MS-ACCESS-L at lists.missouri.edu'; AccessDevelopers; AccessD solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Math Problem
> >
> >
> > This is one for the math guys who code. I have a situation where I need to take a field in a group of records and see if any combination of the values in the field equal zero.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > MyField
> > 5
> > -2
> > 7
> > -3
> > 6
> >
> > This group of records would have a combination that equals zero
> (5, -2, -3).
> > I hope someone has something.> >
> >
> >
> > Lonnie Johnson
> > ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> > Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us

_______________________________________________
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us




 




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 29 11:26:28 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:26:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
	ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPHFHAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <00c001c39e36$7699a830$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <7434547967.20031029182628@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

> I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> links or if just checking one to see if the database is there would suffice.

> Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
> the location it's expected to be.

In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the relinking which,
by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access refreshes
the links when you open your app. Only when your backend database(s)
has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or broken, I've
found that relinking is needed.

It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the backend file
and act according to any errors found.

First, list the backend files:

<SQL>

  SELECT DISTINCT
    Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
  FROM
    MSysObjects
  WHERE
    Type = 6;

</SQL>

Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has been moved
and relinking is needed. 

If the file is found you may try to open it. If this fails, relinking
won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have to be carried
out.

For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only is relevant
if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with the backend
database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.

As you can see, the only situation where relinking is needed is if the
backend has been moved since the last time the app was used which for
a well managed network only will happen at the initial load of the app
at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.

The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the backend is
not found - tries to haunt down the current drive structure to locate
an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be triggered if
the workstation for some reason cannot login to the network. Users in
general have no clue where the backend is located; they are happy if
the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local backup, the
user may be working with outdated data without knowing it which indeed
for accounting people can be a disaster.

This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
used when linking to a server engine.

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 29 11:27:48 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:27:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Duplicate Public Functions NOT causing compile error in AXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EE@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Has anyone else seen this problem?  We use SourceSafe and in converting
an app to XP and sharing modules from other XP projects in VSS, I've
discovered that two routines in different standard modules, both
declared public, may NOT cause a compile error in the project.  If the
only calls to that routine are in property sheets (i.e., =MyFunction()),
the ambiguous name error won't turn up until you happen to use an object
with that routine call from its property.  If the routine is called in
an event procedure, the syntax checking seems to work, but not with a
direct call.  I personally don't use the latter technique, but some of
our forms have been around a long time and other developers have used
that technique to create lighter weight forms.

I dont' remember running into this in previous versions of Access, but
it's been awhile.  Even if the project is compacted out of VSS, it will
still compile and then throw an error when an object that calls the
ambiguous routine is opened.

Charlotte Foust

From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Oct 29 11:39:43 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:39:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <024901c39d81$c6f6a220$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <012101c39e43$a4038f40$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

Andy,

I would suggest a variation of option 2:

* In your Popup's module:
  - Set Cancel=True in the Form_Unload event to reliably prevent the user
from closing the form.
  - Add any other public subs required to display messages, update progress
bars, etc.

* Create a class module, CUserPopup, to manage your Popup form.
  - Add a module level form object variable:  Private mFrmPopup As
Form_YourPopup
  - In Class_Initialize, create an instance of the form:  Set mFrmPopup =
New Form_YourPopup
  - In Class_Terminate, add this line:  Set mFrmPopup = Nothing
  - Add a public sub, Show, with one line:  mFrmPopup.Visible = True
  - Add any public subs required as wrappers for the popup's display and
update routines

* In your command button event procedure:
	Dim rPopup as CUserPopup
      Set rPopup = New CUserPopup  ' Creates Popup form
      rPopup.Show
      ' (Run your Procedure)
      Set rPopup = Nothing         ' (optional) Destroys Popup form

The beauty of this is, you don't have to worry about shutting down the
popup. Set rPopup = Nothing is really there for good form. Even if the
procedure errors out, rPopup will go out of scope at the end of the
procedure, and be terminated, destroying the popup form.

With this setup, the popup is divorced from any other function, so you can
use it in any circumstance you like, without needing to modify the Popup's
code.

Also interesting is that regardless of Cancel=True in the Unload event, the
popup gets closed anyway in Class_Terminate. This is because an object needs
at least one reference to exist. When that reference, in this case
mFrmPopup, is set to Nothing, the form object will be destroyed,
protestations of the Unload event notwithstanding.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user


Thanks John. Yes I think that's where I'm heading (option 2). Am going
to take a look at JC's progress form as a basis.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 28 October 2003 16:14
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> Hi Andy,
> Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation using two
> methods:
>
> -Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the maximum
> amount of time this process will take which I only use for
> non-critical processes to give the user a heads up to what is
> happening.
>
> -Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls
> the procedure. When the procedure returns a value close the
> form. The command button doesn't actually call the procedure
> but rather it calls the form that calls the procedure, thus
> making the procedure calling form easily reusable, just have
> a button that opens the form.
>
> It sounds like the latter might fit your case.
>
> HTH
> John Bartow
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks
> > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> > before the
> > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> > that, short of
> > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their
> fingers off if
> > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number
> of buttons
> > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a
> > > function which just disabled all of those things then re-enabled
> > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy.
> Is there a
> > > cleaner way of just
> > temporarily
> > > disabling the app?
> > > --
> >
> > One way would be to open another form  modally ie.
> > "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the
> > routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has
> > finished.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lexacorp Ltd
> > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> > Support.
> >
> >
> >
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 29 11:45:45 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:45:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C793@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

This has me so baffled!

I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to the
production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add new
records. This button does not work in the production dB.

I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False is,
when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.

Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
something else?

Virginia

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 11:47:29 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:47:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123F0@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEILEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Dittos here. However in Frank's Case it sounds like he has somebody looking
into the app. to see how its done rather what the results.

JB
"Control freaks "freak" me out!"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.
>
>
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 29 11:51:02 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:51:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C794@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can add
records. This is crazy.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


This has me so baffled!

I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to the
production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add new
records. This button does not work in the production dB.

I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False is,
when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.

Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
something else?

Virginia

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 11:52:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:52:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <7434547967.20031029182628@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

Actually this is not quite true.  The relinker also checks for linked Excel
spreadsheets, DBXX tables, etc.  I have no idea whether these show up in the
msysobjects table where type = 6.

I sure like the idea though.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


Hi Rocky

> I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> links or if just checking one to see if the database is there would
suffice.

> Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present in
> the location it's expected to be.

In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the relinking which,
by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access refreshes
the links when you open your app. Only when your backend database(s)
has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or broken, I've
found that relinking is needed.

It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the backend file
and act according to any errors found.

First, list the backend files:

<SQL>

  SELECT DISTINCT
    Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
  FROM
    MSysObjects
  WHERE
    Type = 6;

</SQL>

Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has been moved
and relinking is needed.

If the file is found you may try to open it. If this fails, relinking
won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have to be carried
out.

For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only is relevant
if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with the backend
database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.

As you can see, the only situation where relinking is needed is if the
backend has been moved since the last time the app was used which for
a well managed network only will happen at the initial load of the app
at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.

The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the backend is
not found - tries to haunt down the current drive structure to locate
an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be triggered if
the workstation for some reason cannot login to the network. Users in
general have no clue where the backend is located; they are happy if
the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local backup, the
user may be working with outdated data without knowing it which indeed
for accounting people can be a disaster.

This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
used when linking to a server engine.

/gustav

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 12:01:45 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:01:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEILEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <20031029180145.94108.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

That is exactly the case.

On another note.  I have it pulling a single record
like I want.  What a pain....hehehe

My problem now is, that it gives me a "unable to lock
table" blah bla when I call it from my main form via a
command button due to the table being used by a
subform.

Is there a way I can temporarily disable the subform
while the code behind the button is doing it's work so
I can remedy this error?

--- John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Dittos here. However in Frank's Case it sounds like
> he has somebody looking
> into the app. to see how its done rather what the
> results.
> 
> JB
> "Control freaks "freak" me out!"
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> >
> >
> > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 29 12:04:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:04:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <14836826133.20031029190426@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You're right, it will not list linked Jet files only, also xls etc.

Text files and dBases, however, are only listed by the path as they
each contain one table only.

/gustav


> Actually this is not quite true.  The relinker also checks for linked Excel
> spreadsheets, DBXX tables, etc.  I have no idea whether these show up in the
> msysobjects table where type = 6.

> I sure like the idea though.


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Oct 29 12:10:55 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:10:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C797@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Next part of this saga...

I set the form I want to update as the startup form & everything works just
fine. When I use the switchboard as the startup form, the new form does not
work.

So, now the question is, Why is my switchboard interfering with this new
form & not allowing me to add new records?

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can add
records. This is crazy.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


This has me so baffled!

I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to the
production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add new
records. This button does not work in the production dB.

I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False is,
when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.

Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
something else?

Virginia

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 12:18:47 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:18:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <7434547967.20031029182628@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEAAFEAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
I think like this idea.

Is this the gist of it (in laymen's terms)?
-I look for the BE file at the last known location
-if its found all should be good
-only if there is some reason to relink -call a relinking procedure

Also in my relinking function I started out with someone else's code to do
this. It originally did try to "hunt down" the BE if it wasn't found in the
last known location. As I was modifying the code to suit my needs I removed
the hunting code for the same reasons you stated. That was way too much
assuming for me!

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
> KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>
>
> Hi Rocky
>
> > I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> > links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
> would suffice.
>
> > Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is
> present in
> > the location it's expected to be.
>
> In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the relinking which,
> by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access refreshes
> the links when you open your app. Only when your backend database(s)
> has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or broken, I've
> found that relinking is needed.
>
> It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the backend file
> and act according to any errors found.
>
> First, list the backend files:
>
> <SQL>
>
>   SELECT DISTINCT
>     Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
>   FROM
>     MSysObjects
>   WHERE
>     Type = 6;
>
> </SQL>
>
> Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
> either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has been moved
> and relinking is needed.
>
> If the file is found you may try to open it. If this fails, relinking
> won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
> corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have to be carried
> out.
>
> For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only is relevant
> if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with the backend
> database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
> collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
> Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.
>
> As you can see, the only situation where relinking is needed is if the
> backend has been moved since the last time the app was used which for
> a well managed network only will happen at the initial load of the app
> at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.
>
> The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the backend is
> not found - tries to haunt down the current drive structure to locate
> an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be triggered if
> the workstation for some reason cannot login to the network. Users in
> general have no clue where the backend is located; they are happy if
> the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local backup, the
> user may be working with outdated data without knowing it which indeed
> for accounting people can be a disaster.
>
> This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
> used when linking to a server engine.
>
> /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 12:18:47 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:18:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <012101c39e43$a4038f40$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEINEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

I think I like this idea too!

Its a good day on the list for me :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:40 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I would suggest a variation of option 2:
>
> * In your Popup's module:
>   - Set Cancel=True in the Form_Unload event to reliably prevent the user
> from closing the form.
>   - Add any other public subs required to display messages,
> update progress
> bars, etc.
>
> * Create a class module, CUserPopup, to manage your Popup form.
>   - Add a module level form object variable:  Private mFrmPopup As
> Form_YourPopup
>   - In Class_Initialize, create an instance of the form:  Set mFrmPopup =
> New Form_YourPopup
>   - In Class_Terminate, add this line:  Set mFrmPopup = Nothing
>   - Add a public sub, Show, with one line:  mFrmPopup.Visible = True
>   - Add any public subs required as wrappers for the popup's display and
> update routines
>
> * In your command button event procedure:
> 	Dim rPopup as CUserPopup
>       Set rPopup = New CUserPopup  ' Creates Popup form
>       rPopup.Show
>       ' (Run your Procedure)
>       Set rPopup = Nothing         ' (optional) Destroys Popup form
>
> The beauty of this is, you don't have to worry about shutting down the
> popup. Set rPopup = Nothing is really there for good form. Even if the
> procedure errors out, rPopup will go out of scope at the end of the
> procedure, and be terminated, destroying the popup form.
>
> With this setup, the popup is divorced from any other function, so you can
> use it in any circumstance you like, without needing to modify the Popup's
> code.
>
> Also interesting is that regardless of Cancel=True in the Unload
> event, the
> popup gets closed anyway in Class_Terminate. This is because an
> object needs
> at least one reference to exist. When that reference, in this case
> mFrmPopup, is set to Nothing, the form object will be destroyed,
> protestations of the Unload event notwithstanding.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
>
>
> Thanks John. Yes I think that's where I'm heading (option 2). Am going
> to take a look at JC's progress form as a basis.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: 28 October 2003 16:14
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> > Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation using two
> > methods:
> >
> > -Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the maximum
> > amount of time this process will take which I only use for
> > non-critical processes to give the user a heads up to what is
> > happening.
> >
> > -Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls
> > the procedure. When the procedure returns a value close the
> > form. The command button doesn't actually call the procedure
> > but rather it calls the form that calls the procedure, thus
> > making the procedure calling form easily reusable, just have
> > a button that opens the form.
> >
> > It sounds like the latter might fit your case.
> >
> > HTH
> > John Bartow
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > > McLachlan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi folks
> > > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> > > before the
> > > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> > > that, short of
> > > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their
> > fingers off if
> > > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number
> > of buttons
> > > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a
> > > > function which just disabled all of those things then re-enabled
> > > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy.
> > Is there a
> > > > cleaner way of just
> > > temporarily
> > > > disabling the app?
> > > > --
> > >
> > > One way would be to open another form  modally ie.
> > > "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the
> > > routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has
> > > finished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lexacorp Ltd
> > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> > > Support.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 29 12:35:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:35:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
	KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEAAFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEAAFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <7738718954.20031029193559@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, that has worked for me since 1994 and Access 2.0.

The only situation where I have done an automatic relinking is for an
app which has an external systems lookup database (which I can update
separately). This is assumed to reside in the same path as the app.
Thus, if the app can't see it, it is probably because both the app and
the system database have been relocated; now the app looks for it in
its own directory and if found, it relinks the tables (takes about a
second) and if not, it pops up an error box.

/gustav


> Hi Gustav,
> I think like this idea.

> Is this the gist of it (in laymen's terms)?
> -I look for the BE file at the last known location
> -if its found all should be good
> -only if there is some reason to relink -call a relinking procedure

> Also in my relinking function I started out with someone else's code to do
> this. It originally did try to "hunt down" the BE if it wasn't found in the
> last known location. As I was modifying the code to suit my needs I removed
> the hunting code for the same reasons you stated. That was way too much
> assuming for me!

> JB

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
>> KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
>>
>>
>> Hi Rocky
>>
>> > I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
>> > links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
>> would suffice.
>>
>> > Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is
>> present in
>> > the location it's expected to be.
>>
>> In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the relinking which,
>> by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access refreshes
>> the links when you open your app. Only when your backend database(s)
>> has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or broken, I've
>> found that relinking is needed.
>>
>> It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the backend file
>> and act according to any errors found.
>>
>> First, list the backend files:
>>
>> <SQL>
>>
>>   SELECT DISTINCT
>>     Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
>>   FROM
>>     MSysObjects
>>   WHERE
>>     Type = 6;
>>
>> </SQL>
>>
>> Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
>> either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has been moved
>> and relinking is needed.
>>
>> If the file is found you may try to open it. If this fails, relinking
>> won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
>> corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have to be carried
>> out.
>>
>> For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only is relevant
>> if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with the backend
>> database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
>> collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
>> Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.
>>
>> As you can see, the only situation where relinking is needed is if the
>> backend has been moved since the last time the app was used which for
>> a well managed network only will happen at the initial load of the app
>> at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.
>>
>> The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the backend is
>> not found - tries to haunt down the current drive structure to locate
>> an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be triggered if
>> the workstation for some reason cannot login to the network. Users in
>> general have no clue where the backend is located; they are happy if
>> the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local backup, the
>> user may be working with outdated data without knowing it which indeed
>> for accounting people can be a disaster.
>>
>> This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
>> used when linking to a server engine.
>>
>> /gustav


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Oct 29 12:40:52 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:10:52 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002401c39e4c$6700bab0$22edf73d@winxp>

Rocky,

    Having aligned the tops of bullet label and the text box, you may like to ensure dynamic positioning and sizing of controls horizontally. Can grow & can shrink properties of detail section (as well as the controls in it) have to be Yes. Overlapping of any controls in design view may be avoided.

    Sample code is given below. TxtRmk is the main text box, while LbBT is the label containing the bullet. Hard values used in the sample code (incl Wd1 & Wd2) can be adjusted suitably so as to get the desired results.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
--------------
Code Start
--------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const Wd1 As Integer = 400
Const Wd2 As Integer = 5000
--------------------------------------------------
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                        FormatCount As Integer)
    TxtRmk.Width = 100     ' Safe value - to prevent 
'                                              error on a/c of space constaint.
    If BulletCriteria = "Y"  Then
        LbBT.Visible = True
        LbBT.Width = Wd1
        TxtRmk.Left = LbBT.Left + Wd1 + 100       ' A
        TxtRmk.Width = Wd2 - (Wd1 + 100)            ' B
    Else
        LbBT.Visible = False
        LbBT.Width = 0.01 * Wd1
        TxtRmk.Left = LbBT.Left + 0.01 * Wd1 + 100   ' C
        TxtRmk.Width = Wd2 - (0.01 * Wd1 + 100)        ' D
    End If
' Note - (A + B) should equal (C + D)
End Sub
--------------
Code End
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 22:08
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  You probably had the textbox positioned slightly above the bullet.  Try
  top aligning them.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  Bob:

  That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below
  the text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid'
  approach to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of
  text I made the text line and the bullet the same height and turned the
  bullet on and off depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So
  avoided the whole problem instead of solving it.

  But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that
  made the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.

  Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  > Bob
  >
  > ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you 
  > show the bullet or not?
  >
  > William Hindman
  > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your 
  > lifetime?
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  >
  >
  > > William
  > >
  > > ***************************************************
  > > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

  > > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then txtBullet = Null
  > > txtBullet.Visible = False
  > > Else
  > > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
  > > txtBullet.Visible = True
  > > End If
  > > End Sub
  > > ***************************************************
  > >
  > > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and 
  > > CanShrink=Yes.
  > >
  > > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
  > >
  > > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
  > >
  > >  [_] [_____________________________]
  > >
  > > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
  > >
  > > Regards,
  > > Bob Gajewski
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William 
  > > Hindman
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
  > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > >
  > >
  > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
  > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline 
  > > with
  > your
  > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH

  > > :)
  > >
  > > William Hindman
  > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  lifetime?
  > >
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > >
  > >
  > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
  > > indent -
  > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted 
  > > > with
  > the
  > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet

  > > > to
  > the
  > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a 
  > > > bulleted
  > list
  > > in
  > > > a Word doc.
  > > >
  > > > Rocky
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
  > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
  > > concatenate
  > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
  > > > >
  > > > > William Hindman
  > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  > > lifetime?
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
  > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >    Dear List:
  > > > >
  > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
  which
  > > are
  > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
  > boilerplate
  > > > > header text.
  > > > >
  > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.

  > > > > So
  > far,
  > > > so
  > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
  Italic
  > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
  > > > >
  > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
  tried
  > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
  with
  > > the
  > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I 
  > > > > make
  > the
  > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except 
  > > > > that
  > > because
  > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
  > > > >
  > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
  > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
  > > > >
  > > > > It comes out like this:
  > > > >
  > > > >              Text One.
  > > > > (bullet)
  > > > >              Text Two.
  > > > > (bullet)
  > > > >
  > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
  bulleted
  > > list
  > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
  > > > >
  > > > > MTIA,
  > > > >
  > > > > Rocky Smolin
  > > > > Beach Access Software 


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 13:11:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:11:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS NewVal
FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal is
always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me -1.
I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 29 13:33:08 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:33:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Bit mapping in SQL (was: brain farts)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <17742147975.20031029203308@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I've noticed the same thing.
I don't know why except that bit mapping could be beyond ANSI-SQL.

4 OR 1 is interpreted as True Or True which is .. True.

I went away using integer division (\) and modulus (MOD) but that's
troublesome as you can see in my post from 2003-10-15 on

  Re: [AccessD] Math Problem
  
/gustav


> Folks,

> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:

> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS NewVal
> FROM MsysForms;

> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal is
> always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me -1.
> I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 13:41:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:41:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227430@main2.marlow.com>

Works like a charm, don't you think?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give them the result they're
looking for and hide the details so they don't realize I did it right
instead of the way they wanted it done.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same boat many
times....fortunately, the people I work with don't have the first clue
of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.  <evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
heheheh

Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
sense into people, they still wanna do what they wanna
do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do. 
Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my boss,
I lose....hehehe

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> thinking I was on the Mark!
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of, off
> of the top of my head,
> for 'moving' records around, is if you actually have
> mobile databases.  Even
> then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> there, in case one of the
> mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> replication! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman
> [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like much
> of a "reason" at all
> ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> over the place and creating
> tables where a simple flag field and query would be
> much more apropos ...I
> realize that you may not control things as much as
> you'd like but this
> sounds like something a network engineer would build
> rather than a database
> designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> and even more so now :((((
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> liberty in your lifetime?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> accessed
> > by several people at once and we want to avoid ANY possibility of 
> > duplication.
> >
> > The reason why we're moving them to different
> tables
> > after processing is for marketing to keep track of different 
> > functions based upon the data in tables specific to certain 
> > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a questionnaire go into one 
> > table,
> customers
> > that decline to go into another table, and
> customers
> > that would like to answer the questionnaire later
> go
> > into yet another table.
> >
> > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> possible
> > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> someone is
> > doing at a particular given point in time.
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> 'move'
> > > the data, instead of
> > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of it.
> > > You could have a byte
> > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and other
> > > numbers could represent
> > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > To: Database Advisors
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > bloomers....hehehe
> > >
> > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in order
> to
> > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> works
> > > like this...
> > >
> > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> master
> > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > button
> > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> first
> > > available record into a "make table query" to
> create
> > > a
> > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> from
> > > the
> > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> checking
> > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> is
> > > pulled from the master table in the back-end, it
> > > will
> > > never go back into that back-end table.  it will
> go
> > > into other back-end tables, depending on the
> > > disposition of the information.  Sorta like
> this...
> > >
> > > Get Information pulls "next available record"
> from
> > > tbl_customer_info.  Preferrably via a make table
> > > query, and stuffs it into a front-end table
> called
> > > tmp_customer_info and completely removes said
> record
> > > from the back-end tbl_customer_info table.
> > >
> > > Once the local work has been done it will be
> "saved"
> > > to a different back-end table and the local
> table,
> > > tmp_customer_information, will be
> cleared/deleted.
> > > Thus the need for some sort of make table type
> of
> > > query.  Then the next time that a user clicks
> the
> > > Get
> > > Information, this process starts all over again.
> > >
> > > I'm kind of at a loss as to how to do this.  Any
> > > ideas?  Thank you. _______________________________________________
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 13:46:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:46:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227431@main2.marlow.com>

If you are trying to see if a particular bit is on or off, you want AND, not
OR.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:12 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts


Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS NewVal
FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal is
always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me -1.
I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 13:47:29 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:47:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227430@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031029194729.77220.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't do
some sort of code review.

Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
three tables.  There's only one here."

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Works like a charm, don't you think?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same
> boat many
> times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> have the first clue
> of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways. 
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
> heheheh
> 
> Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> wanna
> do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do.
> 
> Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> boss,
> I lose....hehehe
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> > 
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off
> > of the top of my head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have
> > mobile databases.  Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> > 
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY possibility of 
> > > duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of different 
> > > functions based upon the data in tables specific
> to certain 
> > > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a
> questionnaire go into one 
> > > table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> 
=== message truncated ===


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 13:50:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:50:57 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the user
In-Reply-To: <012101c39e43$a4038f40$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <003001c39e55$f8eb6110$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Ken. I'll work through this tomorrow.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
> Sent: 29 October 2003 17:40
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> I would suggest a variation of option 2:
> 
> * In your Popup's module:
>   - Set Cancel=True in the Form_Unload event to reliably 
> prevent the user from closing the form.
>   - Add any other public subs required to display messages, 
> update progress bars, etc.
> 
> * Create a class module, CUserPopup, to manage your Popup form.
>   - Add a module level form object variable:  Private 
> mFrmPopup As Form_YourPopup
>   - In Class_Initialize, create an instance of the form:  Set 
> mFrmPopup = New Form_YourPopup
>   - In Class_Terminate, add this line:  Set mFrmPopup = Nothing
>   - Add a public sub, Show, with one line:  mFrmPopup.Visible = True
>   - Add any public subs required as wrappers for the popup's 
> display and update routines
> 
> * In your command button event procedure:
> 	Dim rPopup as CUserPopup
>       Set rPopup = New CUserPopup  ' Creates Popup form
>       rPopup.Show
>       ' (Run your Procedure)
>       Set rPopup = Nothing         ' (optional) Destroys Popup form
> 
> The beauty of this is, you don't have to worry about shutting 
> down the popup. Set rPopup = Nothing is really there for good 
> form. Even if the procedure errors out, rPopup will go out of 
> scope at the end of the procedure, and be terminated, 
> destroying the popup form.
> 
> With this setup, the popup is divorced from any other 
> function, so you can use it in any circumstance you like, 
> without needing to modify the Popup's code.
> 
> Also interesting is that regardless of Cancel=True in the 
> Unload event, the popup gets closed anyway in 
> Class_Terminate. This is because an object needs at least one 
> reference to exist. When that reference, in this case 
> mFrmPopup, is set to Nothing, the form object will be 
> destroyed, protestations of the Unload event notwithstanding.
> 
> -Ken
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> 
> 
> Thanks John. Yes I think that's where I'm heading (option 2). 
> Am going to take a look at JC's progress form as a basis.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Bartow
> > Sent: 28 October 2003 16:14
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> >
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> > Similar to Stuart's suggestion, I've handled this situation 
> using two
> > methods:
> >
> > -Present a progress/info form with a timer set to the 
> maximum amount 
> > of time this process will take which I only use for non-critical 
> > processes to give the user a heads up to what is happening.
> >
> > -Open a modal pop-up form with info/progress that then calls the 
> > procedure. When the procedure returns a value close the form. The 
> > command button doesn't actually call the procedure but 
> rather it calls 
> > the form that calls the procedure, thus making the 
> procedure calling 
> > form easily reusable, just have a button that opens the form.
> >
> > It sounds like the latter might fit your case.
> >
> > HTH
> > John Bartow
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > > McLachlan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the user
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 Oct 2003 at 11:24, Andy Lacey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi folks
> > > > If you want a routine (called from a command button) to finish
> > > before the
> > > > user can do anything else in the app how would you achieve
> > > that, short of
> > > > putting up a message saying "Wait" and cutting their
> > fingers off if
> > > > they don't? The forms quite busy and there are a number
> > of buttons
> > > > they could press, or close the form etc, and I could write a 
> > > > function which just disabled all of those things then 
> re-enabled 
> > > > them when the routine's finished, but it's a bit messy.
> > Is there a
> > > > cleaner way of just
> > > temporarily
> > > > disabling the app?
> > > > --
> > >
> > > One way would be to open another form  modally ie. 
> > > "WindowMode=acDialog" with no buttons or ControlBox and put the 
> > > routine in that form's OnOpen. Then close the form when it has 
> > > finished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lexacorp Ltd
> > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
> > > Support.
> > >
> > >
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed Oct 29 13:51:56 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:51:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <OFF3BB4719.F71F75DC-ON86256DCE.006D0C86-86256DCE.006D2045@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


Make sure they cannot do a code review by making an MDE and then do NOT let
them near your source MDB.


                                                                                                                                 
                    "Frank Tanner III"                                                                                           
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It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't do
some sort of code review.

Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
three tables.  There's only one here."

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Works like a charm, don't you think?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same
> boat many
> times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> have the first clue
> of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> <evilgrin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> heheheh
>
> Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> wanna
> do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do.
>
> Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> boss,
> I lose....hehehe
>
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off
> > of the top of my head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have
> > mobile databases.  Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY possibility of
> > > duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of different
> > > functions based upon the data in tables specific
> to certain
> > > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a
> questionnaire go into one
> > > table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 14:04:08 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:04:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <OFF3BB4719.F71F75DC-ON86256DCE.006D0C86-86256DCE.006D2045@nc.us.bank-dns.com>
Message-ID: <20031029200408.26731.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

Sure.  I can see it now....

"No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and the
second in command of the company, but you're not
authorized to see it."

I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
fill out the insubordination write-up and termination
papers.

--- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> 
> Make sure they cannot do a code review by making an
> MDE and then do NOT let
> them near your source MDB.
> 
> 
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     "Frank Tanner III"              
>                                                     
>                        
>                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>      
>  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"                 
>                     Sent by:                        
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                     
>                        
>                     accessd-bounces at databasead      
>  cc:                                                
>                        
>                     visors.com                      
>  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> Access Question.            
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM             
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Please respond to "Access       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Developers discussion and       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     problem solving"                
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't
> do
> some sort of code review.
> 
> Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> three tables.  There's only one here."
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust
> > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > them the result they're
> > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > realize I did it right
> > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> same
> > boat many
> > times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> > have the first clue
> > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine
> is
> > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > heheheh
> >
> > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > wanna
> > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> do.
> >
> > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > boss,
> > I lose....hehehe
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> > off
> > > of the top of my head,
> > > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> > have
> > > mobile databases.  Even
> > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> sitting
> > > there, in case one of the
> > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > replication! <grin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman
> > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > much
> > > of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > > over the place and creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> > be
> > > much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much
> as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > build
> > > rather than a database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY possibility of
> > > > duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track
> > of different
> > > > functions based upon the data in tables
> specific
> 
=== message truncated ===


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 14:14:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:14:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227437@main2.marlow.com>

You don't have real novices then...grin.  The people I work with/for aren't
intelligent enough to even figure out they need to click the 'Tables' tab to
see the tables.....well, my co-worker is, but he and I work together, not
against each other.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't do
some sort of code review.

Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
three tables.  There's only one here."

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Works like a charm, don't you think?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same
> boat many
> times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> have the first clue
> of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways. 
> <evilgrin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die." 
> heheheh
> 
> Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> wanna
> do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do.
> 
> Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> boss,
> I lose....hehehe
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> > 
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off
> > of the top of my head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have
> > mobile databases.  Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> > 
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> > 
> > 
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY possibility of 
> > > duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of different 
> > > functions based upon the data in tables specific
> to certain 
> > > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a
> questionnaire go into one 
> > > table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
> 
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From James at fcidms.com  Wed Oct 29 14:37:58 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:37:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251BEABB@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211D3@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

John,
As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:

Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
    BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
End Function

Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
create one function and pass the operator you want to use. 
Hope this helps.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts


Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
NewVal FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
-1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 14:38:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:38:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222743A@main2.marlow.com>

LOL.  Actually, I have the only password in the company that no one else
knows (though my co-worker may know it.)  It's l0phtCrack proof, and I have
all of my Data drives on this machine set so only my account can read them.
My boss has asked me why a few times, and I just stick to one story.  I
don't want anyone to goof with any of my current projects.  Simple story,
and it works.  He knows he doesn't have anywhere near a strong enough grasp
of what I do to go mucking around in my data files.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


Sure.  I can see it now....

"No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and the
second in command of the company, but you're not
authorized to see it."

I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
fill out the insubordination write-up and termination
papers.

--- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> 
> Make sure they cannot do a code review by making an
> MDE and then do NOT let
> them near your source MDB.
> 
> 
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     "Frank Tanner III"              
>                                                     
>                        
>                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>      
>  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"                 
>                     Sent by:                        
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                     
>                        
>                     accessd-bounces at databasead      
>  cc:                                                
>                        
>                     visors.com                      
>  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> Access Question.            
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM             
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Please respond to "Access       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Developers discussion and       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     problem solving"                
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't
> do
> some sort of code review.
> 
> Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> three tables.  There's only one here."
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust
> > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > them the result they're
> > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > realize I did it right
> > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> same
> > boat many
> > times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> > have the first clue
> > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine
> is
> > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > heheheh
> >
> > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > wanna
> > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> do.
> >
> > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > boss,
> > I lose....hehehe
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> > off
> > > of the top of my head,
> > > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> > have
> > > mobile databases.  Even
> > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> sitting
> > > there, in case one of the
> > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > replication! <grin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman
> > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > much
> > > of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > > over the place and creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> > be
> > > much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much
> as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > build
> > > rather than a database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY possibility of
> > > > duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track
> > of different
> > > > functions based upon the data in tables
> specific
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed Oct 29 14:50:34 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:50:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222743A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20031029205034.30995.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

I wish I had that kind of autonomy with the MS Access
stuff.

I have that with the entire LAN and WAN
infrastructure.  There are places in the buildings
that not even the company president has the access to
go, of course he could get it.  Same with passwords,
etc of all of the equipment.  They leave all of that
to me and they don't want to know, as long as it
works.

However, these little "side projects" like this one,
they want total control over.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> LOL.  Actually, I have the only password in the
> company that no one else
> knows (though my co-worker may know it.)  It's
> l0phtCrack proof, and I have
> all of my Data drives on this machine set so only my
> account can read them.
> My boss has asked me why a few times, and I just
> stick to one story.  I
> don't want anyone to goof with any of my current
> projects.  Simple story,
> and it works.  He knows he doesn't have anywhere
> near a strong enough grasp
> of what I do to go mucking around in my data files.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> Sure.  I can see it now....
> 
> "No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
> work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and
> the
> second in command of the company, but you're not
> authorized to see it."
> 
> I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
> fill out the insubordination write-up and
> termination
> papers.
> 
> --- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> > 
> > Make sure they cannot do a code review by making
> an
> > MDE and then do NOT let
> > them near your source MDB.
> > 
> > 
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     "Frank Tanner III"            
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>    
>  
> >  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"                 
> >                     Sent by:                      
>  
> >  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     accessd-bounces at databasead    
>  
> >  cc:                                              
>  
> >                        
> >                     visors.com                    
>  
> >  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> > Access Question.            
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM           
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     Please respond to "Access     
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     Developers discussion and     
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     problem solving"              
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It works like a charm...... Presupposing they
> don't
> > do
> > some sort of code review.
> > 
> > Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> > three tables.  There's only one here."
> > 
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust
> > > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > > them the result they're
> > > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > > realize I did it right
> > > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> > same
> > > boat many
> > > times....fortunately, the people I work with
> don't
> > > have the first clue
> > > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way
> anyways.
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > To quote my DI when I was in the
> military..."Mine
> > is
> > > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > > heheheh
> > >
> > > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to
> talk
> > > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > > wanna
> > > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> > do.
> > >
> > > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > > boss,
> > > I lose....hehehe
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > <evilgrin>
> 
=== message truncated ===


From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 15:36:46 2003
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:36:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Re: [dba-VB]	Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual
	Basic 6
Message-ID: <04e901c39e64$cfa01940$6601a8c0@joe.indy.rr.com>

Paul,

This is a function that I use in Access 2000 applications.

Joe O'Connell
joconnell at indy.rr.com

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
'   Write a query to the database
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
Function WriteQuery(strSQL As String, strName As String, strMsg As String)
As Boolean
    Dim qdSQL As QueryDef

    WriteQuery = True
    On Error Resume Next
    CurrentDb.QueryDefs.Delete strName
    On Error GoTo WriteQuery_Err
    Set qdSQL = CurrentDb.CreateQueryDef(strName, strSQL)

WriteQuery_Exit:
    Exit Function

WriteQuery_Err:
    strMsg = Err.Description
    WriteQuery = False
    Resume WriteQuery_Exit

End Function



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: dba-vb <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: accessd <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:20 AM
Subject: [dba-VB] Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual Basic
6


|To all,
|I know I have done this before but for the life of me can't remember how,
and can't find the code in any of my old projects.
|I have a VB6 application that generates a SQL string, I need to save the
SQL string as a query in my Access(XP) database
|Can someone please tell me how to do this (even sample code if you can),
before I pull whats left of my hair out.
|Paul Hartland
|Database Designer/Developer (so they say)..........
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From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 15:36:46 2003
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:36:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Re: [dba-VB]	Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual
	Basic 6
Message-ID: <04e901c39e64$cfa01940$6601a8c0@joe.indy.rr.com>

Paul,

This is a function that I use in Access 2000 applications.

Joe O'Connell
joconnell at indy.rr.com

'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
'   Write a query to the database
'---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
Function WriteQuery(strSQL As String, strName As String, strMsg As String)
As Boolean
    Dim qdSQL As QueryDef

    WriteQuery = True
    On Error Resume Next
    CurrentDb.QueryDefs.Delete strName
    On Error GoTo WriteQuery_Err
    Set qdSQL = CurrentDb.CreateQueryDef(strName, strSQL)

WriteQuery_Exit:
    Exit Function

WriteQuery_Err:
    strMsg = Err.Description
    WriteQuery = False
    Resume WriteQuery_Exit

End Function



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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: dba-vb <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: accessd <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:20 AM
Subject: [dba-VB] Saving a SQl query to an access database via Visual Basic
6


|To all,
|I know I have done this before but for the life of me can't remember how,
and can't find the code in any of my old projects.
|I have a VB6 application that generates a SQL string, I need to save the
SQL string as a query in my Access(XP) database
|Can someone please tell me how to do this (even sample code if you can),
before I pull whats left of my hair out.
|Paul Hartland
|Database Designer/Developer (so they say)..........
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 16:03:53 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:03:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211D3@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
References: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251BEABB@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <3FA0C5E9.28551.1B84DB@localhost>

Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the 
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR) 
~ (Bitwise NOT) 

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
> 
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
> 
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use. 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> James Barash
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
> 
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> 
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> 
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 16:09:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:09:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA0C72E.3956.207A74@localhost>

Sorry about my last post.  I thought I was still scanning the Access-
SQL list messages :-(

Try  a CINT([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] ) to force it to an integer. 

On 29 Oct 2003 at 14:11, John Colby wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
> 
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS NewVal
> FROM MsysForms;
> 
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal is
> always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> 
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me -1.
> I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:16:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:16:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <20031029200408.26731.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Which would be about 2 seconds longer than I'D want to work there!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


Sure.  I can see it now....

"No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and the
second in command of the company, but you're not
authorized to see it."

I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
fill out the insubordination write-up and termination
papers.

--- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> 
> Make sure they cannot do a code review by making an
> MDE and then do NOT let
> them near your source MDB.
> 
> 
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     "Frank Tanner III"              
>                                                     
>                        
>                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>      
>  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"                 
>                     Sent by:                        
>  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                     
>                        
>                     accessd-bounces at databasead      
>  cc:                                                
>                        
>                     visors.com                      
>  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> Access Question.            
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM             
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Please respond to "Access       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     Developers discussion and       
>                                                     
>                        
>                     problem solving"                
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't
> do
> some sort of code review.
> 
> Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> three tables.  There's only one here."
> 
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust
> > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > them the result they're
> > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > realize I did it right
> > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> same
> > boat many
> > times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> > have the first clue
> > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine
> is
> > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > heheheh
> >
> > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > wanna
> > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> do.
> >
> > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > boss,
> > I lose....hehehe
> >
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> > off
> > > of the top of my head,
> > > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> > have
> > > mobile databases.  Even
> > > then, you would still want a 'master copy'
> sitting
> > > there, in case one of the
> > > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > > replication! <grin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman
> > > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> > much
> > > of a "reason" at all
> > > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > > over the place and creating
> > > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> > be
> > > much more apropos ...I
> > > realize that you may not control things as much
> as
> > > you'd like but this
> > > sounds like something a network engineer would
> > build
> > > rather than a database
> > > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark
> before
> > > and even more so now :((((
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > > liberty in your lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > > accessed
> > > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> > ANY possibility of
> > > > duplication.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > > tables
> > > > after processing is for marketing to keep
> track
> > of different
> > > > functions based upon the data in tables
> specific
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:18:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:18:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211D3@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEAOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

James,

I kinda came to that conclusion.  This is a shining example of the kinds of
things that require conversions in order to work with ADPs.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Barash
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


John,
As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:

Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
    BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
End Function

Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
Hope this helps.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts


Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
NewVal FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
-1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:29:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:29:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <3FA0C72E.3956.207A74@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yea, I tried that.  It still applied a true/false evaluation to the entire
thing per Gustav's email.

I have "fixed" it by creating 3 functions:

Public Function lngAND(llng1 As Long, llng2 As Long) As Long
    lngAND = llng1 And llng2
End Function
Public Function lngOR(llng1 As Long, llng2 As Long) As Long
    lngOR = llng1 Or llng2
End Function
Public Function lngXOR(llng1 As Long, llng2 As Long) As Long
    lngXOR = llng1 Xor llng2
End Function

Then I build up the SQL statement.  An actual statement looks like:

UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = lngOr([FRM_GroupOpen], 1),
[FRM_GroupVisible] = lngOr([FRM_GroupVisible], 1), [FRM_GroupEdit] =
lngOr([FRM_GroupEdit], 1), [FRM_GroupAddRec] = lngOr([FRM_GroupAddRec], 1),
[FRM_GroupDelRec] = lngOr([FRM_GroupDelRec], 1) WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID)
In (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));

Of course the 1 in the longor() function call is a bit value being ored in.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] brain farts


Sorry about my last post.  I thought I was still scanning the Access-
SQL list messages :-(

Try  a CINT([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] ) to force it to an integer.

On 29 Oct 2003 at 14:11, John Colby wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
>
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
NewVal
> FROM MsysForms;
>
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
is
> always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
>
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving
me -1.
> I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:30:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:30:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <3FA0C5E9.28551.1B84DB@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ohhhhh, that's what I was wanting.  I couldn't find that stuff anywhere in
NOT Help.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
~ (Bitwise NOT)

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
>
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
>
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> Hope this helps.
>
> James Barash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
>
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
>
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
>
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:48:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:48:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <3FA0C5E9.28551.1B84DB@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEBBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
statement.

UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
[FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
[FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
[FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
(28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));

Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
vertical bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
~ (Bitwise NOT)

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
>
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
>
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> Hope this helps.
>
> James Barash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
>
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
>
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
>
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Oct 29 17:10:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:10:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227440@main2.marlow.com>

It's one of the rare luxuries of working with the computer inepts!  <grin>

The worst drawback though, is they have absolutely no concept of what can
and can't be done.  This hits me in two bad ways.  I either find out that
they have been spending hours, days, weeks, or even months, doing something
that would literally take a fraction of the time if done through code.  An
example of this is our Hours program and Production database.  The hours
program is written in an OLD DOS db language (DataPoint), and our Production
db is Glovia (which uses Oracle as a BE).  Hours was written by an in house
programmer, from the days of yore (who still works 10 hours a week here to
maintain the old legacy systems he wrote...they're mostly accounting stuff,
and I don't think you want me to get into what I think of accounting, or the
situation with them...they are my kryptonite! <grin>), and Glovia isn't a
bad package, but we are using an old version, horrible in a windows
environment, and it's only partially implemented...worse yet, no one truly
knows what they are doing with it.  Everything is done strictly from tribal
knowledge.  Anyhow, one day I found out they were getting a file dumped out
of hours, that they were then turning around and manually dumping it into
Glovia.  It was taking an account close to a full work day to do.
Admittedly, it was only once a month, but 8 hours a month is 416 hours a
year.....starts to add up.  In about 1.5 hours I had a VB program that
pulled up the flat dump file, worked with the data the right way, and dumped
it straight into Glovia (into the Oracle db).  The actual process takes
about 15 seconds.....now, they had been doing it the other way for 4 or 5
years (however long they had Glovia).....yet they didn't want to change it,
because they thought it would be too difficult to do!  

On the other extreme, I get hit with the nearly impossible.  I don't mind
the mentally challenging stuff, I'm talking about the technology blocking
stuff.  Like 'Can we find a faster way to transfer a few gigs of files over
our T1?'.  Um ya, upgrade to a T3! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


I wish I had that kind of autonomy with the MS Access
stuff.

I have that with the entire LAN and WAN
infrastructure.  There are places in the buildings
that not even the company president has the access to
go, of course he could get it.  Same with passwords,
etc of all of the equipment.  They leave all of that
to me and they don't want to know, as long as it
works.

However, these little "side projects" like this one,
they want total control over.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> LOL.  Actually, I have the only password in the
> company that no one else
> knows (though my co-worker may know it.)  It's
> l0phtCrack proof, and I have
> all of my Data drives on this machine set so only my
> account can read them.
> My boss has asked me why a few times, and I just
> stick to one story.  I
> don't want anyone to goof with any of my current
> projects.  Simple story,
> and it works.  He knows he doesn't have anywhere
> near a strong enough grasp
> of what I do to go mucking around in my data files.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
> 
> 
> Sure.  I can see it now....
> 
> "No, Ms Senior Vice President.  You cannot view the
> work that I have done.  I know you're my boss and
> the
> second in command of the company, but you're not
> authorized to see it."
> 
> I'd have a job for about as long as it took them to
> fill out the insubordination write-up and
> termination
> papers.
> 
> --- jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com wrote:
> > 
> > Make sure they cannot do a code review by making
> an
> > MDE and then do NOT let
> > them near your source MDB.
> > 
> > 
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     "Frank Tanner III"            
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     <pctech at mybellybutton.com>    
>  
> >  To:     "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"                 
> >                     Sent by:                      
>  
> >  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     accessd-bounces at databasead    
>  
> >  cc:                                              
>  
> >                        
> >                     visors.com                    
>  
> >  Subject:     RE: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly
> > Access Question.            
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     10/29/2003 01:47 PM           
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     Please respond to "Access     
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     Developers discussion and     
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                     problem solving"              
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> >                                                   
>  
> >                                                   
>  
> >                        
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It works like a charm...... Presupposing they
> don't
> > do
> > some sort of code review.
> > 
> > Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
> > three tables.  There's only one here."
> > 
> > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > Works like a charm, don't you think?
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust
> > > [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> > > them the result they're
> > > looking for and hide the details so they don't
> > > realize I did it right
> > > instead of the way they wanted it done.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the
> > same
> > > boat many
> > > times....fortunately, the people I work with
> don't
> > > have the first clue
> > > of what I do/know, so I just do it my way
> anyways.
> > > <evilgrin>
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > Question.
> > >
> > >
> > > To quote my DI when I was in the
> military..."Mine
> > is
> > > not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> > > heheheh
> > >
> > > Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to
> talk
> > > sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> > > wanna
> > > do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to
> > do.
> > >
> > > Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> > > boss,
> > > I lose....hehehe
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > > > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > > > <evilgrin>
> 
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From James at fcidms.com  Wed Oct 29 17:14:52 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:14:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251BEB30@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211D6@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

I tried this but could not get it to work in Access. It works fine in
SQL Server. When I tried using & I got a concatination of the fields,
not a bitwise AND. Is there some special syntax you need to use for
this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the 
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR) 
~ (Bitwise NOT) 

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL 
> statement. You need to create a function to do the comparison. For 
> example:
> 
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As
Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
> 
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could 
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use. Hope this 
> helps.
> 
> James Barash
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with 
> bit mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in 
> specific circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I 
> have a SQL statement that looks like:
> 
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS 
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> 
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the 
> NewVal is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for 
> an XOR.
> 
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving 
> me -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But 
> why?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Wed Oct 29 17:20:40 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee (Home))
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:20:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEBBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKCEKIDKAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

John if you are doing this in MS SQL SErver, theres pretty decent help in
there about the bitwise comparison..

~ (Bitwise NOT)
Performs a bitwise logical NOT operation for one given integer value as
translated to binary expressions within Transact-SQL statements.

Syntax
~ expression

Arguments
expression

Is any valid MicrosoftR SQL ServerT expression of any of the data types of
the integer data type category, or of the binary or varbinary data type.
expression is an integer that is treated and transformed into a binary
number for the bitwise operation.

Result Types
Returns an int if the input values are int, a smallint if the input values
are smallint, a tinyint if the input values are tinyint, or a bit if the
input values are bit.

Remarks
The bitwise ~ operator performs a bitwise logical NOT for the expression,
taking each corresponding bit. The bits in the result are set to 1 if one
bit (for the current bit being resolved) in expression has a value of 0;
otherwise, the bit in the result is cleared to a value of 1.

The ~ bitwise operator can be used only on columns of the integer data type
category.



Important  When performing any kind of bitwise operation, the storage length
of the expression used in the bitwise operation is important. It is
recommended that you use the same number of bytes when storing values. For
example, storing the decimal value of 5 as a tinyint, smallint, or int
produces a value stored with different numbers of bytes. tinyint stores data
using 1 byte, smallint stores data using 2 bytes, and int stores data using
4 bytes. Therefore, performing a bitwise operation on an int decimal value
can produce different results as compared to a direct binary or hexidecimal
translation, especially when the ~ (bitwise NOT) operator is used. The
bitwise NOT operation may occur on a variable of a shorter length that, when
converted to a longer data type variable, may not have the bits in the upper
8 bits set to the expected value. It is recommended that you convert the
smaller data type variable to the larger data type, and then perform the NOT
operation on the result.


Examples
This example creates a table with int data types to show the values, and
puts the table into one row.

USE master
GO
IF EXISTS (SELECT * FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES
      WHERE TABLE_NAME = 'bitwise')
   DROP TABLE bitwise
GO
CREATE TABLE bitwise
(
 a_int_value tinyint NOT NULL,
b_int_value tinyint NOT NULL
)
GO
INSERT bitwise VALUES (170, 75)
GO

This query performs the bitwise NOT on the a_int_value and b_int_value
columns.

USE MASTER
GO
SELECT ~ a_int_value, ~ b_int_value
FROM bitwise

Here is the result set:

--- ---
85  180

(1 row(s) affected)

The binary representation of 170 (a_int_value or A, below) is 0000 0000 1010
1010. Performing the bitwise NOT operation on this value produces the binary
result 0000 0000 0101 0101, which is decimal 85.

 (~A)
         0000 0000 1010 1010
         -------------------
         0000 0000 0101 0101




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
statement.

UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
[FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
[FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
[FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
(28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));

Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
vertical bar.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
logical operators:

& (Bitwise AND),
| (Bitwise OR) ,
^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
~ (Bitwise NOT)

On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:

> John,
> As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
>
> Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
>     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> End Function
>
> Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> Hope this helps.
>
> James Barash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> statement that looks like:
>
> SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> NewVal FROM MsysForms;
>
> regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
>
> If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Oct 29 17:17:53 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:47:53 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4AC@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

I'd say its the opposite.

Its something that WILL work in an ADP, not using native Access SQL.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 8:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


James,

I kinda came to that conclusion.  This is a shining example of the kinds of
things that require conversions in order to work with ADPs.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of James Barash
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


John,
As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:

Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
    BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
End Function

Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
Hope this helps.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts


Folks,

I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
statement that looks like:

SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
NewVal FROM MsysForms;

regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.

If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
-1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?

John W. Colby
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 18:34:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:34:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01b401c39e7d$912de2f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Did, but no soap.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


> You probably had the textbox positioned slightly above the bullet.  Try
> top aligning them.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> Bob:
>
> That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below
> the text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid'
> approach to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of
> text I made the text line and the bullet the same height and turned the
> bullet on and off depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So
> avoided the whole problem instead of solving it.
>
> But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that
> made the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
>
>
> > Bob
> >
> > ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you
> > show the bullet or not?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> >
> >
> > > William
> > >
> > > ***************************************************
> > > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>
> > > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then txtBullet = Null
> > > txtBullet.Visible = False
> > > Else
> > > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
> > > txtBullet.Visible = True
> > > End If
> > > End Sub
> > > ***************************************************
> > >
> > > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
> > > CanShrink=Yes.
> > >
> > > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
> > >
> > > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
> > >
> > >  [_] [_____________________________]
> > >
> > > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bob Gajewski
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > > Hindman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
> > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline
> > > with
> > your
> > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH
>
> > > :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> lifetime?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
> > > indent -
> > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted
> > > > with
> > the
> > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet
>
> > > > to
> > the
> > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a
> > > > bulleted
> > list
> > > in
> > > > a Word doc.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
> > > concatenate
> > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
> > > lifetime?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
> which
> > > are
> > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
> > boilerplate
> > > > > header text.
> > > > >
> > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.
>
> > > > > So
> > far,
> > > > so
> > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
> Italic
> > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
> tried
> > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
> with
> > > the
> > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I
> > > > > make
> > the
> > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except
> > > > > that
> > > because
> > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
> > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
> > > > >
> > > > > It comes out like this:
> > > > >
> > > > >              Text One.
> > > > > (bullet)
> > > > >              Text Two.
> > > > > (bullet)
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
> bulleted
> > > list
> > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 18:44:17 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:44:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C794@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <01ed01c39e7e$f2eeccb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
> changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
> run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
> the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
> code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> something else?
>
> Virginia
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 19:24:21 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:24:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEBBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3FA0C5E9.28551.1B84DB@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA0F4E5.14074.4BA1231@localhost>

On 29 Oct 2003 at 17:48, John Colby wrote:

> I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> statement.
> 
> UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> 
> Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> vertical bar.
> 

I posted a second one, a couple of seconds later which for some reason 
didn't make it to the list.

In that I said "Sorry, I thought I was still scanning the dba-SQL list".

In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int 
before doing the "OR" comparison.




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Oct 29 18:09:44 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:09:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Yes.  Another Silly Access Question.
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227437@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <01a101c39e7a$1fbf1100$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


Frank,

A reasonable compromise:

* Do your interface based on the sensible, normalized single table approach.
This is your source data.

* Maintain 3 separate summary tables to satisfy the marketing idiots. You
could either update them each night in bulk, or update them record by record
throughout the day, depending on their needs.

This way, they have their data the way they like. You don't care if they
trash it, because you can always rebuild it.

Your development time would be about the same, because the time saved
implementing the interface the correct way will be offset somewhat by the
burden of maintaining the extra tables. This will still be easier and more
reliable than their bone-headed approach. As long as their summary data is
read-only, this should work.

Since a typical database has lots of lookup and other ancillary tables, you
can easily hide the 'real' data table in plain sight. Even if the VP did by
chance pick that table out, you could say it was a 'work' or 'staging'
table, or some such rot. Even if they do a code review, it is still a
defensible strategy: it saved development time, maintains a backup, etc...

Of course, my evil side would suggest:

Maintain three QUERIES off of the single table, but name them:

  TABLEQuestionsFilledOut
  TABLEQuestionsDeclined
  TABLEQuestionsAskLater

When they don't see them in the Tables tab, simply say you moved them.
They'll likely swallow it; after all, their names do start with "TABLE"
<evil laugh>

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


You don't have real novices then...grin.  The people I work with/for aren't
intelligent enough to even figure out they need to click the 'Tables' tab to
see the tables.....well, my co-worker is, but he and I work together, not
against each other.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access Question.


It works like a charm...... Presupposing they don't do
some sort of code review.

Even a novice can say, "Hey!  We told you to make
three tables.  There's only one here."

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Works like a charm, don't you think?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust
> [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> That's the approach I use as well, Drew.  I give
> them the result they're
> looking for and hide the details so they don't
> realize I did it right
> instead of the way they wanted it done.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> I hear ya, on your situation.  I've been in the same
> boat many
> times....fortunately, the people I work with don't
> have the first clue
> of what I do/know, so I just do it my way anyways.
> <evilgrin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> Question.
>
>
> To quote my DI when I was in the military..."Mine is
> not to question why.  Mine is but to do or die."
> heheheh
>
> Sometimes, regardless of how much you try to talk
> sense into people, they still wanna do what they
> wanna
> do.  And Marketing wants to do what they want to do.
>
> Since their boss (The company Sr VP) is also my
> boss,
> I lose....hehehe
>
> --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > Is there a reason you have a big frown after
> > thinking I was on the Mark!
> > <evilgrin>
> >
> > Again I concur.  The only reason I can think of,
> off
> > of the top of my head,
> > for 'moving' records around, is if you actually
> have
> > mobile databases.  Even
> > then, you would still want a 'master copy' sitting
> > there, in case one of the
> > mobile ones crashed.  I guess that's half
> > replication! <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman
> > [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > ...I'm sorry Frank but this doesn't sound like
> much
> > of a "reason" at all
> > ...you're violating data normalization rules all
> > over the place and creating
> > tables where a simple flag field and query would
> be
> > much more apropos ...I
> > realize that you may not control things as much as
> > you'd like but this
> > sounds like something a network engineer would
> build
> > rather than a database
> > designer ...I thought Drew was on the mark before
> > and even more so now :((((
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want
> > liberty in your lifetime?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > Question.
> >
> >
> > > Because the back-end tables are going to be
> > accessed
> > > by several people at once and we want to avoid
> ANY possibility of
> > > duplication.
> > >
> > > The reason why we're moving them to different
> > tables
> > > after processing is for marketing to keep track
> of different
> > > functions based upon the data in tables specific
> to certain
> > > criteria.  IE.  Customers that fill out a
> questionnaire go into one
> > > table,
> > customers
> > > that decline to go into another table, and
> > customers
> > > that would like to answer the questionnaire
> later
> > go
> > > into yet another table.
> > >
> > > The front-end itself has to be as generic as
> > possible
> > > yet cover all contingencies based upon what
> > someone is
> > > doing at a particular given point in time.
> > >
> > > --- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> > > > Just curious why you would want to physically
> > 'move'
> > > > the data, instead of
> > > > just adding a field to track the 'status' of
> it.
> > > > You could have a byte
> > > > field where 0 is 'new', 1 is 'in use' and
> other
> > > > numbers could represent
> > > > where the data 'ends up' as you put it.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:41 AM
> > > > To: Database Advisors
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Yes. Another Silly Access
> > > > Question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok....Here we go.  Hang on to your
> > > > bloomers....hehehe
> > > >
> > > > I am using a sort of "check out" system in
> order
> > to
> > > > ensure that duplicates are not contacted.  It
> > works
> > > > like this...
> > > >
> > > > I have a back-end database table that is my
> > master
> > > > table of records.  I want my people to click a
> > > > button
> > > > called "Get Information" that will read the
> > first
> > > > available record into a "make table query" to
> > create
> > > > a
> > > > temporary local front-end table and delete it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > master table in the back-end.  Sort of like
> > checking
> > > > out a book from the library.  Once this record
> > is
> > > > pulled from the master table in the back-end,
> it
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 19:43:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:43:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <3FA0F4E5.14074.4BA1231@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBHFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
before doing the "OR" comparison.

Tried that, no joy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:24 PM
To: John Colby; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


On 29 Oct 2003 at 17:48, John Colby wrote:

> I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> statement.
>
> UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
>
> Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> vertical bar.
>

I posted a second one, a couple of seconds later which for some reason
didn't make it to the list.

In that I said "Sorry, I thought I was still scanning the dba-SQL list".

In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
before doing the "OR" comparison.




--
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 29 20:43:25 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:43:25 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files
Message-ID: <013f01c39e8f$97a28bb0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi Guys
WAY OT POST
I need help with getting an autorun file to work with HTML
The Normal AutoRun dot inf file looks something like
OPEN= MyExecutable.exe /with any command line parameters
ICON = MyIcon.ico
Cool so far...
How do I get a web page on a CD to load though instead of the Exectutable
EG
OPEN= \MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
ICON = MyIcon.ico

If I click Start|Run and type iexplore.exe X:\MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
All is cool.

Do I have to  do some sort of shell command or what?

Many thanks in advance

Darren

In the interest of netiquette, if anyone wants to replond please do so off list at d.dick at uws.edu.au
Many thanks

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 29 20:39:10 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:39:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
In-Reply-To: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1124FE@nt04.karta.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEDHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Jim:

Yes a VPN link can be used but; and this is where theory and practical
application collide. The following comments may cause the usual ripples but
in the connection method you can not used 'bound' forms, the connection is
simply too slow, unstable and prone to database corruption.

'Unbound' forms can be used, with proven results but the initial setup and
design more complex.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Why can't VPN be used to access the BE with Access?
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet


Jim,

Thanks for your input. Are you saying that some clients get to the Access BE
via ASP on a web page and your other (LAN) clients get at in the usual way
with a FE/BE situation? My question was directed specifically at Internet
access. That is, if I've got the BE mounted on a web server then,
apparently, the only way to get to the data is through an ADO connection via
ASP pages.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Oct 29 20:48:11 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:18:11 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4AE@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Darren,

Search google for a file called 'shellexe.exe'. You can use this to autorun
your CD.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 1:13 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files


Hi Guys
WAY OT POST
I need help with getting an autorun file to work with HTML
The Normal AutoRun dot inf file looks something like
OPEN= MyExecutable.exe /with any command line parameters
ICON = MyIcon.ico
Cool so far...
How do I get a web page on a CD to load though instead of the Exectutable
EG
OPEN= \MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
ICON = MyIcon.ico

If I click Start|Run and type iexplore.exe X:\MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
All is cool.

Do I have to  do some sort of shell command or what?

Many thanks in advance

Darren

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 29 21:02:54 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:02:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files
In-Reply-To: <013f01c39e8f$97a28bb0$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3FA0390E.18313.7F875F@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 13:43, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Guys
> WAY OT POST
> I need help with getting an autorun file to work with HTML
> The Normal AutoRun dot inf file looks something like
> OPEN= MyExecutable.exe /with any command line parameters
> ICON = MyIcon.ico
> Cool so far...
> How do I get a web page on a CD to load though instead of the
> Exectutable EG OPEN= \MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm ICON = MyIcon.ico
> 
> If I click Start|Run and type iexplore.exe
> X:\MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm All is cool.
> 
> Do I have to  do some sort of shell command or what?

it looks like you might.

Have a look at:

http://www.usq.edu.au/users/leis/notes/presentations/cdautoload.html

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make 
them all yourself.



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Oct 29 22:24:58 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:24:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files - Solved
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4AE@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <017101c39e9d$c784f760$3c619a89@DDICK>

Thanks Andrew

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files


> Darren,
> 
> Search google for a file called 'shellexe.exe'. You can use this to autorun
> your CD.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 1:13 PM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] Way OT: Autorun files
> 
> 
> Hi Guys
> WAY OT POST
> I need help with getting an autorun file to work with HTML
> The Normal AutoRun dot inf file looks something like
> OPEN= MyExecutable.exe /with any command line parameters
> ICON = MyIcon.ico
> Cool so far...
> How do I get a web page on a CD to load though instead of the Exectutable
> EG
> OPEN= \MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
> ICON = MyIcon.ico
> 
> If I click Start|Run and type iexplore.exe X:\MyWebPageFolder\Index.htm
> All is cool.
> 
> Do I have to  do some sort of shell command or what?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
> In the interest of netiquette, if anyone wants to replond please do so off
> list at d.dick at uws.edu.au
> Many thanks
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 29 22:55:46 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:55:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBHFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001001c39ea2$18004fb0$6401a8c0@default>

John,

This should bring back some memories.



            Message 4 in thread
      From: jwelz at hotmail.com (jwelz at hotmail.com)
      Subject: Re: bitwise operators
      Newsgroups: comp.databases.ms-access
            View this article only
      Date: 2000/02/08


It is possible to perform a bitwise query in Jet 3.5 without using a
function.  Rather than doing the operation in the 'Where' clause, do it
in the Join.  I keep a 'join table' in my front end.  I generally limit
this to single byte bit masks to keep the size of the join table down.
The join table is laid out with 8 fields headed 'b1, b2, b4, b8, b16,
b32, b64, b128'.  In each field are all the values for which the And
operation returns true, there are 128 values for each field, and the
concept of row is irrelevant.  I sort and index the data.  Field b1 has
the values '1, 3, 5, 7, 9...', Field b2 has the values '2, 3, 6, 7, 10,
11...', Field b4 has the values '4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20...'
....and field b128 has the values '128, 129, 130, 131....'  The
operation is analagous to a 'Where' clause comparing a field value with
an IN(1, 2, 5...) list, without the syntactic nonsense of generating a
complex list on the fly, though that is a 'Where' approach that can be
made to work.

To query on a bit, the sql reads:

"Select [fields] From [tblData] Inner Join [JoinTable] on
[tblData].[AndedField] = [JoinTable].b" & 2 ^ (bytBitNumber - 1)

Where you pass the bit position (1 through 8) to the variable
bytBitNumber (or just the number value of the bit(s or'ed)).

By joining a field on more than one column in the join table, and in
conjunction with the not operator, you can query on several bit
positions and values concurrently.

I find this method significantly faster than calling a function for a
calculated field since the query engine does the work very efficiently
(rather than calling a function n thousand times for n thousand records
queried).  This approach works with any version of sql that supports an
inner join.  Used for bitwise queries on bytes, the join table stores a
mere 1k of data (datatype byte for all 8 fields, 128 rows, same amount
again for indexing I assume).  If you need to And a bit higher than the
128 (8th bit), I find it more efficient to store two bytes to keep the
join table small and fast.  Alternatively, you could parse the field
into hi/low bytes or more as required for larger data types.

Although a violation of normalization rules, the ability to store 8
boolean values in a single field gives measurable performance gains and
I use it in any table where there is more than a single two state
field.  Well commented and documented usage should cause no problems.
A byte can also store three state (or more) fields should that be
expedient though I'd consider the latter two cases only in an extremely
static design that needed a bit of tweaking since design enhancement
maintenance requires customized extraction of values to forms and
reports.  Design requirement changes could require extensive changes to
code and subsequent developers not familiar with the methodology would[...
didn't bother to get the rest.]Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


> >In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
> before doing the "OR" comparison.
>
> Tried that, no joy.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: John Colby; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> On 29 Oct 2003 at 17:48, John Colby wrote:
>
> > I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> > statement.
> >
> > UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> > [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> > (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> >
> > Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> > vertical bar.
> >
>
> I posted a second one, a couple of seconds later which for some reason
> didn't make it to the list.
>
> In that I said "Sorry, I thought I was still scanning the dba-SQL list".
>
> In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
> before doing the "OR" comparison.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 29 23:01:53 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:01:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBHFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001401c39ea2$f0d09d40$6401a8c0@default>

By the way, 

bAnd, bOr, bXOR, etc are all reserved words
in Jet 4 and, although I haven't used them, the word
is that you can use them in queries for joins as long 
as you are willing to give up the QBE Grid.

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 23:04:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:04:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <001001c39ea2$18004fb0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEBOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

lol.  indeed it does.  Still makes my head ache.  I guess I need to make it
a serious read this time since I really need this stuff now.

Thanks!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] brain farts


John,

This should bring back some memories.



            Message 4 in thread
      From: jwelz at hotmail.com (jwelz at hotmail.com)
      Subject: Re: bitwise operators
      Newsgroups: comp.databases.ms-access
            View this article only
      Date: 2000/02/08


It is possible to perform a bitwise query in Jet 3.5 without using a
function.  Rather than doing the operation in the 'Where' clause, do it
in the Join.  I keep a 'join table' in my front end.  I generally limit
this to single byte bit masks to keep the size of the join table down.
The join table is laid out with 8 fields headed 'b1, b2, b4, b8, b16,
b32, b64, b128'.  In each field are all the values for which the And
operation returns true, there are 128 values for each field, and the
concept of row is irrelevant.  I sort and index the data.  Field b1 has
the values '1, 3, 5, 7, 9...', Field b2 has the values '2, 3, 6, 7, 10,
11...', Field b4 has the values '4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20...'
....and field b128 has the values '128, 129, 130, 131....'  The
operation is analagous to a 'Where' clause comparing a field value with
an IN(1, 2, 5...) list, without the syntactic nonsense of generating a
complex list on the fly, though that is a 'Where' approach that can be
made to work.

To query on a bit, the sql reads:

"Select [fields] From [tblData] Inner Join [JoinTable] on
[tblData].[AndedField] = [JoinTable].b" & 2 ^ (bytBitNumber - 1)

Where you pass the bit position (1 through 8) to the variable
bytBitNumber (or just the number value of the bit(s or'ed)).

By joining a field on more than one column in the join table, and in
conjunction with the not operator, you can query on several bit
positions and values concurrently.

I find this method significantly faster than calling a function for a
calculated field since the query engine does the work very efficiently
(rather than calling a function n thousand times for n thousand records
queried).  This approach works with any version of sql that supports an
inner join.  Used for bitwise queries on bytes, the join table stores a
mere 1k of data (datatype byte for all 8 fields, 128 rows, same amount
again for indexing I assume).  If you need to And a bit higher than the
128 (8th bit), I find it more efficient to store two bytes to keep the
join table small and fast.  Alternatively, you could parse the field
into hi/low bytes or more as required for larger data types.

Although a violation of normalization rules, the ability to store 8
boolean values in a single field gives measurable performance gains and
I use it in any table where there is more than a single two state
field.  Well commented and documented usage should cause no problems.
A byte can also store three state (or more) fields should that be
expedient though I'd consider the latter two cases only in an extremely
static design that needed a bit of tweaking since design enhancement
maintenance requires customized extraction of values to forms and
reports.  Design requirement changes could require extensive changes to
code and subsequent developers not familiar with the methodology would[...
didn't bother to get the rest.]Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


> >In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
> before doing the "OR" comparison.
>
> Tried that, no joy.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: John Colby; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> On 29 Oct 2003 at 17:48, John Colby wrote:
>
> > I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> > statement.
> >
> > UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> > [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> > (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> >
> > Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> > vertical bar.
> >
>
> I posted a second one, a couple of seconds later which for some reason
> didn't make it to the list.
>
> In that I said "Sorry, I thought I was still scanning the dba-SQL list".
>
> In Access, try using a CINT(Frm_GroupVisible) etc to force it to an Int
> before doing the "OR" comparison.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Stuart McLachlan
> Lexacorp Ltd
> Application Development,  IT Consultancy
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 23:15:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:15:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <001401c39ea2$f0d09d40$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEBOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hey, have you looked at the LWS stuff?  It's starting to get exciting.  I
have a video database up as a demo, with the LWS forms residing out in the
LWS MDA and getting their data out of the video database using a syntax
like:

    strSQL = "SELECT [usystblLWSGroup].[LWSG_ID],
[usystblLWSGroup].[LWSG_Name] FROM usystblLWSGroup in '" &
CurrentProject.Path & "\" & CurrentProject.Name & "' ORDER BY
[usystblLWSGroup].[LWSG_Name]; "
    Me.RecordSource = strSQL

Notice the

FROM usystblLWSGroup in '" & CurrentProject.Path & "\" & CurrentProject.Name
& "'

Cool stuff, allowing me to keep the forms themselves in the MDA and yet load
the data from the FE.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] brain farts


By the way,

bAnd, bOr, bXOR, etc are all reserved words
in Jet 4 and, although I haven't used them, the word
is that you can use them in queries for joins as long
as you are willing to give up the QBE Grid.

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Oct 30 00:36:38 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:36:38 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:
	[dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <7738718954.20031029193559@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXkF38A@pacific.net.hk>

I have gone part of the way with this.

During startup, I have been doing the following:
-initialise a function containing static db array that maintains a connection to
linked DBs
-go through the linked tables and add each linked db to static db collection
once
-check the links to one table on each found linked db
-relink if necessary
-terminate and clean up the static db array
-continue with project init/startup

I like Gustavs sql listing of linked DBs.  I'd never thought about doing it that
way, and I think I will modify how I do it.

I am thinking though that a further test is still probably required to keep it
as user friendly as required.  Assuming the file exists, but is corrupt, it
would be nice if the db could have the option to automatically attempt repair
the BE and then fail gracefully if failure occurs.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October, 2003 2:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: 
> [dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> 
> 
> Hi John
> 
> Yes, that has worked for me since 1994 and Access 2.0.
> 
> The only situation where I have done an automatic relinking is for an
> app which has an external systems lookup database (which I can update
> separately). This is assumed to reside in the same path as the app.
> Thus, if the app can't see it, it is probably because both the app and
> the system database have been relocated; now the app looks for it in
> its own directory and if found, it relinks the tables (takes about a
> second) and if not, it pops up an error box.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Hi Gustav,
> > I think like this idea.
> 
> > Is this the gist of it (in laymen's terms)?
> > -I look for the BE file at the last known location
> > -if its found all should be good
> > -only if there is some reason to relink -call a relinking procedure
> 
> > Also in my relinking function I started out with someone 
> else's code to do
> > this. It originally did try to "hunt down" the BE if it 
> wasn't found in the
> > last known location. As I was modifying the code to suit my 
> needs I removed
> > the hunting code for the same reasons you stated. That was 
> way too much
> > assuming for me!
> 
> > JB
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:26 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
> >> KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Rocky
> >>
> >> > I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to 
> check all the table
> >> > links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
> >> would suffice.
> >>
> >> > Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is
> >> present in
> >> > the location it's expected to be.
> >>
> >> In my opinion there is a much nicer way to handle the 
> relinking which,
> >> by the way, seldom or never is necessary anyway, as Access 
> refreshes
> >> the links when you open your app. Only when your backend 
> database(s)
> >> has/have been moved or your drive mapping is changed or 
> broken, I've
> >> found that relinking is needed.
> >>
> >> It is very much quicker and safer to locate and check the 
> backend file
> >> and act according to any errors found.
> >>
> >> First, list the backend files:
> >>
> >> <SQL>
> >>
> >>   SELECT DISTINCT
> >>     Left([Database], 512) AS DbFilename
> >>   FROM
> >>     MSysObjects
> >>   WHERE
> >>     Type = 6;
> >>
> >> </SQL>
> >>
> >> Then loop through this list and check if every file exists. If not,
> >> either the file has gone (relinking won't help) or it has 
> been moved
> >> and relinking is needed.
> >>
> >> If the file is found you may try to open it. If this 
> fails, relinking
> >> won't help because either the file is opened exclusively or it is
> >> corrupt. In both cases other actions than relinking have 
> to be carried
> >> out.
> >>
> >> For a more elaborate test - which I've never used and only 
> is relevant
> >> if there is a risk that somebody should be tampering with 
> the backend
> >> database - when the database is open, loop through the TableDefs
> >> collection and locate every table you have linked to the frontend.
> >> Again, if any table is not found, relinking won't help.
> >>
> >> As you can see, the only situation where relinking is 
> needed is if the
> >> backend has been moved since the last time the app was 
> used which for
> >> a well managed network only will happen at the initial 
> load of the app
> >> at the client or at some planned reorganization of the network.
> >>
> >> The "feature" of the "automatic relinker" that it - if the 
> backend is
> >> not found - tries to haunt down the current drive 
> structure to locate
> >> an arbitrary backend file is very dangerous as it will be 
> triggered if
> >> the workstation for some reason cannot login to the 
> network. Users in
> >> general have no clue where the backend is located; they 
> are happy if
> >> the app "works" but if the relinker has found an old local 
> backup, the
> >> user may be working with outdated data without knowing it 
> which indeed
> >> for accounting people can be a disaster.
> >>
> >> This is for linking an mdb file. The same approach, however, can be
> >> used when linking to a server engine.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> 
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Oct 30 02:38:54 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:38:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE79@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Thanks Gary and Jeff!

I can see and open the two system tables MSysIMEXColumns and MSysIMEXSpecs.
And as Gary says the former has the field headers and the later has the
field details. What I was trying to find (and edit) was the name of the
table that the spec saves the imported data as. 

A very minor problem really, but just something I was trying to sort out.

Thanks for any help/guidance/assistance.

Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
> 
> 
> They are in a couple hidden/system tables. Go into Options and select 
> Display on Hidden and System tables and you will see them - 
> in a database 
> that HAS at least one. There is one table for the Spec 
> Headers and another 
> for the field detail. I think you can read them but not write 
> to them. You 
> can use them in queries.
> 
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
> 
> >From: "Foote, Chris" <Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs
> >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:20:25 -0000
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >any idea where/how A97 stores it's Import Wizard Import/Export specs?
> >
> >TIA - Chris Foote

From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Oct 30 02:47:41 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:47:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Import Wizard Import/Export Specs - apologies
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE7A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Dear all!

I've just reread this message of mine and must apologies for the appalling
grammar in - "What I was trying to find (and edit) was the name of the table
that the spec saves the imported data as."

You'd never guess that (English)english was my first (and indeed only)
language would you? <embarrassed grin>

Chris Foote

From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Oct 30 04:01:20 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:01:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MoveNext not working - solved
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE7E@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Thanks again Stuart that was my problem.

Once I dimmed to recordsets, recIn and recOut it now seem to work fine!

Thanks!
Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MoveNext not working
> 
> 
> Your problem is that you are using one recordset to access 2 
> tables.  Within
> your do loop you are using this
> Set rec = db.OpenRecordset("tblScript")
> But the loop is controlled by rec and you are reinitialising 
> it on each pass.
> So it will never end.
> 
> If you want to go the code method, use 2 recordsets.  Say 
> rectblScript and
> rectblOutstandingECRs.
> 
> Then iterate through rectblOutstandingECRs and for each 
> record add a new record
> to rectblScript.
> 
> If you need help modifying the code drop me a note.
> 
> Another potentially simpler method to to write a query that 
> does all of one you
> want in one hit.  (ie append query)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stuart
> 

From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 06:09:48 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:09:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031030060948.1670761927.serbach@new.rr.com>

Frank,

>> VPN is nothing like Terminal Server.

>> VPN (Virtual Private Networking) creates a "tunnel" to
act as a LAN connection to a private network via the
Internet. ?This "virtual private network" tunnel
allows you to act as if you were physically hard-wired
to the LAN. <<

Frank,

I appreciate the clarification. You're right there is an essential difference between VPN and Terminal Server: a VPN connection means that your PC is still doing all the Access processing that it normally would on a LAN while with terminal server (and PC Anywhere) you're actually logged into a workstation at the host site and the host sends its screens to your PC. Your remote PC only controls the keyboard and mouse of the host system which is the one doing the work of processing queries and such.

As far as my own interest is concerned, since there won't be any Terminal Server or VPN set up on my client's network, any web-based access to an Access BE will have to be through the use of ASP.

>> You're thinking of VNC. ?Which is an Open
Source/Freeware remote desktop tool similar to
PCanywhere/Terminal Server/Citrix Metaframe. <<

You're very kind to assume that I just got an acronym mixed up. That isn't the case. I'd never heard of VNC before your message.

Thanks,

Steve


From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 06:14:01 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:14:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
Message-ID: <20031030061401.1968970086.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

>> in the connection method you can not used 'bound' forms, the connection is simply too slow, unstable and prone to database corruption.

>> 'Unbound' forms can be used, with proven results but the initial setup and design more complex. <<

This is valuable information. However, I don't think it will cause any "ripples" since we're talking about an entirely different BE methodology from that used on a LAN.

My client was under the impression that an Access BE could just be plopped onto a web server and the Access FE could simply be relinked to the GoreNet instead of a local server. I'm going to have to disabuse him of that notion.

Regards,

Steve Erbach


From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 06:13:50 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:13:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Message-ID: <20031030121350.49100.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>

Good Morning Everyone,
 
I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question.  I tried to put a subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not allowed.  So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the subform did.  The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.  The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the listbox.  As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update but on all records not just the current one.  Does any one know if I can get each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this, maybe a different control?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Thu Oct 30 06:33:22 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:33:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <20031030121350.49100.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c39ee2$05d2bb80$25330cd8@hargrove.internal>

How about a datasheet for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,
 
I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question.  I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed.  So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did.  The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox.  As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one.  Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
Dale


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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 06:33:50 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:33:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7A5@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I tried all your suggestions & it still will not let me add records if the
switchboard is opened first. The MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions showed False. This
is correct, because the AddNew button changes it to True.

What I am confused on - it will allow additions if I open the form directly.
If the switchboard opens first, I can not add records. It seems like the
switchboard is interfering with the opening of the form?

I use this same code in other forms, and they work, I can't figure out what
is different on this form?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?

Rocky

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From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
> changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
> run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
> the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
> code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> something else?
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 06:42:14 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:42:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7A8@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

OK! I found out it is not the switchboard, it is the DetectIdleTime form
that opens hidden when the switchboard opens. I commented out the opening of
the form & I can add records.

What can I do now? I still want to be able to use the idle form. Why would
it interfere with adding records?

'DoCmd.OpenForm "frmDetectIdleTime"
'   Forms![frmDetectIdleTime].Visible = False

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I tried all your suggestions & it still will not let me add records if the
switchboard is opened first. The MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions showed False. This
is correct, because the AddNew button changes it to True.

What I am confused on - it will allow additions if I open the form directly.
If the switchboard opens first, I can not add records. It seems like the
switchboard is interfering with the opening of the form?

I use this same code in other forms, and they work, I can't figure out what
is different on this form?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
> changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
> run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
> the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
> code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> something else?
>
> Virginia
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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Oct 30 13:47:05 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:47:05 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] multiplications in one query
Message-ID: <200310301247.h9UCl5EU017945@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Group,

i have a query with two fields: code and telling.
I would like to do some calculations with these fields. 
The calculations could be done in a query for each code, 
but i want to do all calculations in one query?


TIA

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


i have.

code            telling
a                 1000
b                  500
c                  100


i want to multiply
a (1200)*0,3
b (500)*2
c (100)*7


as result i would like

code           Result_Telling
a                  300
b                 1000
c                  700

From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 07:06:52 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:06:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <000d01c39ee2$05d2bb80$25330cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <20031030130652.39855.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks!
 
That's not bad --- not quite the look I was going for but may be do able.
 

Thanks! - any other good ideas?
Mike and Doris Manning <mikedorism at ntelos.net> wrote:
How about a datasheet for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 07:08:32 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:08:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <000d01c39ee2$05d2bb80$25330cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <20031030130832.80381.qmail@web9805.mail.yahoo.com>

I also have several buttons on the screen which I loose with a datasheet view.

Mike and Doris Manning <mikedorism at ntelos.net> wrote:How about a datasheet for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Oct 30 07:21:25 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:21:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] multiplications in one query
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067BA97@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF91@ADGSERVER>

OTOMH,

SELECT
Code,Result_Telling:iif([Code]='A',[Telling]*0.3,iif([Code]='B',[Telling]*2,
[Telling]*7))
    FROM sometable;


Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:47 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] multiplications in one query


Hello Group,

i have a query with two fields: code and telling.
I would like to do some calculations with these fields. 
The calculations could be done in a query for each code, 
but i want to do all calculations in one query?


TIA

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


i have.

code            telling
a                 1000
b                  500
c                  100


i want to multiply
a (1200)*0,3
b (500)*2
c (100)*7


as result i would like

code           Result_Telling
a                  300
b                 1000
c                  700
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 07:14:04 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:14:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Message-ID: <20031030141400.4EE843A8825@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Dale
I'm still on A97 (I know, ancient history) but in that you can ignore the
message about Continuous forms not being allowed in a subform. Access gives
you the message, sets your form to Single Form, but all you have to do is go
into the form's properties and change it back to Continuous and voila. I do
it all the time. God knows why the message even exists. Hope AXP the same.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Date: 30/10/03 21:09


I also have several buttons on the screen which I loose with a datasheet
view.

Mike and Doris Manning <mikedorism at ntelos.net> wrote:How about a datasheet
for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 30 08:19:21 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:19:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD786D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Of course you realize that needing bitwise operators for a field is just
screaming *it's not normalized* <g>.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> statement.
> 
> UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> 
> Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> vertical bar.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> 
> Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
> logical operators:
> 
> & (Bitwise AND),
> | (Bitwise OR) ,
> ^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
> ~ (Bitwise NOT)
> 
> On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:
> 
> > John,
> > As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> > You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
> >
> > Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
> >     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> > End Function
> >
> > Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> > create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > James Barash
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> > mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> > circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> > statement that looks like:
> >
> > SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> > NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> >
> > regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> > is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> >
> > If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> > -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 08:37:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:37:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD786D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMECPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, I realize.

This is for my Lightweight Security System, and each long int represents a
bit map of which groups can manipulate a specific property - AllowEdit,
AllowDelete etc.  I intentionally chose to use a bit map over a normalized
table because I am applying the same system to controls and their
properties.  You could potentially end up having to load tens of thousands
of records to get the LWS initialized for a single form.  As the system
exists now, there is a single record for the form itself, and a single
record for each control.

Normalization is a key concept to a database but it isn't the end-all and
be-all to life in general.  There are times where simple bit manipulations
are waaaaaaay faster (for a variety of reasons) and that speed is needed.
As the designer I had to make that decision.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts


Of course you realize that needing bitwise operators for a field is just
screaming *it's not normalized* <g>.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] brain farts
>
> I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> statement.
>
> UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
>
> Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> vertical bar.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
>
>
> Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
> logical operators:
>
> & (Bitwise AND),
> | (Bitwise OR) ,
> ^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
> ~ (Bitwise NOT)
>
> On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:
>
> > John,
> > As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL statement.
> > You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
> >
> > Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As Long
> >     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> > End Function
> >
> > Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> > create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > James Barash
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with bit
> > mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in specific
> > circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a SQL
> > statement that looks like:
> >
> > SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> > NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> >
> > regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the NewVal
> > is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> >
> > If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving me
> > -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
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>
>
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>
>
>
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 08:47:23 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:47:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <20031030141400.4EE843A8825@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031030144723.34343.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com>

that my be true in A97 but xp gives the message each time you try to change it back to Continous Forms.
 
Thanks any!

Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
Dale
I'm still on A97 (I know, ancient history) but in that you can ignore the
message about Continuous forms not being allowed in a subform. Access gives
you the message, sets your form to Single Form, but all you have to do is go
into the form's properties and change it back to Continuous and voila. I do
it all the time. God knows why the message even exists. Hope AXP the same.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

Subject: RE: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Date: 30/10/03 21:09


I also have several buttons on the screen which I loose with a datasheet
view.

Mike and Doris Manning wrote:How about a datasheet
for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 09:03:24 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:03:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] db As Database - A2K
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B3@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

When I converted a database from 97 to 2K I receive an error on:
"Public db As Database ' need not declare db in individual modules/forms"

I realize I need to add the reference to MS DAO 3.6. What can I do to change
this line of code so I don't have to add the reference?


Also, I tried to comment out the line, but receive an error on my startup
properties:
ChangeProperty "StartupForm", dbText, "Switchboard"

I don't remember the dbText being there before - is that correct?

Virginia

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 09:18:05 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:18:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B4@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled. I
don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False, I
> changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If I
> run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down to
> the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type of
> code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> something else?
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 08:31:52 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:31:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Message-ID: <20031030153148.5B05C25E2F8@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Remind me to stick with A97!
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Date: 30/10/03 22:48


that my be true in A97 but xp gives the message each time you try to change
it back to Continous Forms.

Thanks any!

Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
Dale
I'm still on A97 (I know, ancient history) but in that you can ignore the
message about Continuous forms not being allowed in a subform. Access gives
you the message, sets your form to Single Form, but all you have to do is go
into the form's properties and change it back to Continuous and voila. I do
it all the time. God knows why the message even exists. Hope AXP the same.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

Subject: RE: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
Date: 30/10/03 21:09


I also have several buttons on the screen which I loose with a datasheet
view.

Mike and Doris Manning wrote:How about a datasheet
for the main form and a subdatasheet for the parts?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms


Good Morning Everyone,

I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms question. I tried to put a
subform in a Continuous Form and I received an error that it was not
allowed. So I created a listbox that shows the same information that the
subform did. The listbox lists parts that partain to the current record.
The problem I now have is all records displayed have save information in the
listbox. As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update
but on all records not just the current one. Does any one know if I can get
each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do this,
maybe a different control?

Thanks in advance!

Dale


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 30 10:00:38 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:00:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
Message-ID: <1903295.1067529638340.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet connection.  I want to enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs.
Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats involved, what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go for the wireless option (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.  Also hopefully at some point next year I will be starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be looking at servers etc hopefully.
Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated.
Paul Hartland

From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Oct 30 10:06:09 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:06:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1701E0502A@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Paul,
Check the recent posts to dba-tech

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


To all,
I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is
upstairs parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet connection.
I want to enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs.
Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats
involved, what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go for the
wireless option (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
Also hopefully at some point next year I will be starting up on my own
(part-time), so I will be looking at servers etc hopefully.
Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated.
Paul Hartland
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 30 10:09:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:09:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] db As Database - A2K
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You MUST have the DAO reference if you want to declare db as a Database
object.  There is no database object in ADO and the built-in support for
some DAO operations in AXP doesn't exist in A2k.  You can declare db as
an Object instead of a database.  Here's some code from the code
librarian that will do it.  I'm posting it because I could NOT find it
in on-line help(less).

Function AddCustomProperty(strName As String, _
                           varType As Variant, _
                           varValue As Variant) As Boolean
    ' The following generic object variables are required
    ' when there is no reference to the DAO 3.6 object library.
    Dim objDatabase As Object
    Dim objProperty As Object

    Const PROP_NOT_FOUND_ERROR = 3270

    Set objDatabase = CurrentDb
    On Error GoTo AddProp_Err
    objDatabase.Properties(strName) = varValue

    AddCustomProperty = True

AddProp_End:
    Exit Function

AddProp_Err:
    If Err = PROP_NOT_FOUND_ERROR Then
        Set objProperty = objDatabase.CreateProperty(strName, varType,
varValue)
        objDatabase.Properties.Append objProperty
        Resume
    Else
        AddCustomProperty = False
        Resume AddProp_End
    End If
End Function

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] db As Database - A2K


When I converted a database from 97 to 2K I receive an error on: "Public
db As Database ' need not declare db in individual modules/forms"

I realize I need to add the reference to MS DAO 3.6. What can I do to
change this line of code so I don't have to add the reference?


Also, I tried to comment out the line, but receive an error on my
startup
properties:
ChangeProperty "StartupForm", dbText, "Switchboard"

I don't remember the dbText being there before - is that correct?

Virginia
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Oct 30 10:10:26 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:10:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD786F@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I guessed it might be something like that going on. Just couldn't resist the
making the comment about normalization in case some other lister got it into
his/her head that bit twiddling might be a good idea in general for
databases. <g>

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:38 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> Yep, I realize.
> 
> This is for my Lightweight Security System, and each long int represents a
> bit map of which groups can manipulate a specific property - AllowEdit,
> AllowDelete etc.  I intentionally chose to use a bit map over a normalized
> table because I am applying the same system to controls and their
> properties.  You could potentially end up having to load tens of thousands
> of records to get the LWS initialized for a single form.  As the system
> exists now, there is a single record for the form itself, and a single
> record for each control.
> 
> Normalization is a key concept to a database but it isn't the end-all and
> be-all to life in general.  There are times where simple bit manipulations
> are waaaaaaay faster (for a variety of reasons) and that speed is needed.
> As the designer I had to make that decision.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
> Lambert
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> 
> 
> Of course you realize that needing bitwise operators for a field is just
> screaming *it's not normalized* <g>.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> > To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> >
> > I tried this and it's giving me errors.  This is the actual built up SQL
> > statement.
> >
> > UPDATE MsysForms SET [FRM_GroupOpen] = [FRM_GroupOpen] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupVisible] = [FRM_GroupVisible] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupEdit] =
> > [FRM_GroupEdit] ~ 4, [FRM_GroupAddRec] = [FRM_GroupAddRec] ~ 4,
> > [FRM_GroupDelRec] = [FRM_GroupDelRec] ~ 4 WHERE (((MsysForms.FRM_ID) In
> > (28,34,33,35,32,29,31,30)));
> >
> > Is that as you understand it to be used?  Likewise it didn't like the
> > vertical bar.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:04 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] brain farts
> >
> >
> > Sure you can.  You need to use the "bitwise" oprators, not the
> > logical operators:
> >
> > & (Bitwise AND),
> > | (Bitwise OR) ,
> > ^ (Bitwise Exclusive OR)
> > ~ (Bitwise NOT)
> >
> > On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:37, James Barash wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > > As far as I know, you cannot use bitwise functions in an SQL
> statement.
> > > You need to create a function to do the comparison. For example:
> > >
> > > Public Function BinaryOr(ByVal val1 As Long, ByVal val2 As Long) As
> Long
> > >     BinaryOr = (val1 Or val2)
> > > End Function
> > >
> > > Create one function for each binary comparison you need or you could
> > > create one function and pass the operator you want to use.
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > James Barash
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> > > To: AccessD
> > > Subject: [AccessD] brain farts
> > >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to do boolean operations in a query.  I have a table with
> bit
> > > mapped fields such that the long integer has bits "on" or 1 in
> specific
> > > circumstances.  Now I want to OR in other numbers in SQL.  I have a
> SQL
> > > statement that looks like:
> > >
> > > SELECT MsysForms.FRM_GroupOpen, ([MsysForms]![frm_GroupOpen] Or 1) AS
> > > NewVal FROM MsysForms;
> > >
> > > regardless of the value contained in the field frm_GroupOpen, the
> NewVal
> > > is always -1 for an OR or an AND of any other value, and 0 for an XOR.
> > >
> > > If I have a 4 in the field, 4 OR 1 should give me 5, but it is giving
> me
> > > -1. I believe it is "interpreting" it and saying it is true.  But why?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Oct 30 10:14:49 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:14:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
Message-ID: <25155085.1067530489273.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

ok thanks......




Message date : Oct 30 2003, 04:11 PM 
>From : Tesiny, Ed 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE) 
Paul, 
Check the recent posts to dba-tech 

Ed Tesiny 
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 


-----Original Message----- 
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM 
To: accessd 
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE) 


To all, 
I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is 
upstairs parents are downstairs. I have broadband internet connection. 
I want to enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs. 
Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats 
involved, what I will have to learn etc. I would like to go for the 
wireless option (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this. 
Also hopefully at some point next year I will be starting up on my own 
(part-time), so I will be looking at servers etc hopefully. 
Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated. 
Paul Hartland 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 10:22:52 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:22:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B4@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <013b01c39f02$118585a0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

If it works on your machine and fails on theirs it would seem that there is
some difference in the two installations.  Can you check the version of
access, and the version of Jet and/or other DLLs that might be involved.
Service packs the same?  Just casting about at random now.

What would happen if you created a new db on their machine and imported all
the objects and compiled on their machine?  (Really long shot).

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> I am still having problems.
>
> Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
> switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.
>
> When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I do??
>
> I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled. I
> don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
> machines and not others?
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen event
> of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown reason?
> And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of solving it
> could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of the form?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> > Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False,
I
> > changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a record. If
I
> > run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the startup, I can
> add
> > records. This is crazy.
> >
> > Va.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hollis,Virginia
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
> >
> >
> > This has me so baffled!
> >
> > I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it to
> the
> > production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to add
> new
> > records. This button does not work in the production dB.
> >
> > I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it down
to
> > the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
> is,
> > when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records
works.
> >
> > Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same type
of
> > code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I missing
> > something else?
> >
> > Virginia
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 10:24:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:24:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <1903295.1067529638340.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <20031030162404.92457.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network cards).

Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
once you get more familiar with the setup you tighten
up access to the wireless router.

What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from the
wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
accept connections from those.  The reason why is that
if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
with a wireless network card could use your Internet
connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
just sitting out in front of your house in their car.

As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
more and more common.  Especially as businesses
implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority of
the "war-drivers" away.

--- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are downstairs. 
> I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved, what I will have to learn etc.
>  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> possible), if anyone has any experience on this. 
> Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 30 10:50:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:50:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123FF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Make sure the same version of MDAC is installed on all the machines.
Differences in that can cause really weird behavior in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I
do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled.
I don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen
event of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown
reason? And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of
solving it could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of
the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, 
> False, I changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a 
> record. If I run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the 
> startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it 
> to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to 
> add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it 
> down to the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", 
> dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records 
> works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same 
> type of code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I 
> missing something else?
>
> Virginia
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>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 10:52:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:52:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <20031030162404.92457.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Even worse, they would have direct access to your network.  They can sit
there trying to log in / view directories, add themselves as payees to your
billing etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network cards).

Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
once you get more familiar with the setup you tighten
up access to the wireless router.

What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from the
wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
accept connections from those.  The reason why is that
if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
with a wireless network card could use your Internet
connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
just sitting out in front of your house in their car.

As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
more and more common.  Especially as businesses
implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority of
the "war-drivers" away.

--- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are downstairs.
> I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved, what I will have to learn etc.
>  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
> Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 11:02:46 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:02:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
References: <1903295.1067529638340.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <017901c39f07$a461dbd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I did it here recently.  Got a Linksys Wireless Point Router BEFW1154 and a
wireless point for an office about 30 feet away.  The router has four wired
ports on the back (I've got four machines on wired connection) plus a WAN
port for the broadband.  With XP it just starts itself up and suddenly you
can 'see' the other box.  Both boxes get internet access simultaneously.
The router was about $70 and the wireless access point for the remote
computer was about $50, I think.

And all five boxes can be on the internet and do email at the same time.

HTH,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is
upstairs parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet connection.  I
want to enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats involved,
what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go for the wireless option
(if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.  Also hopefully at some
point next year I will be starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Oct 30 11:06:19 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:06:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067BB6F@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF93@ADGSERVER>

I went the D-Link route also after buy one of my daughters a laptop.
Remember that you want at least one of the pcs to be wired to the router.  
I bought the D-Link DI-614+ for the wireless access point/router and have a
D-Link DWL-650+ wireless network card for the laptop.  The 802.11G was not
out when I bought this setup.  The items that I got were 802.11B, but it
allows throughput of 22Mb/sec instead of the standard 11Mb/sec.
I agree with Frank that you need to allow only the NICs on your network to
have access to the router.  Also, change the default SSID.  And use 12 or
256-bit encryption.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network cards).

Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
once you get more familiar with the setup you tighten
up access to the wireless router.

What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from the
wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
accept connections from those.  The reason why is that
if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
with a wireless network card could use your Internet
connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
just sitting out in front of your house in their car.

As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
more and more common.  Especially as businesses
implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority of
the "war-drivers" away.

--- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are downstairs.
> I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved, what I will have to learn etc.
>  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> possible), if anyone has any experience on this. 
> Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 11:22:43 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:22:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031030172243.5983.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

There is that too.  But I didn't wanna totally freak
him out....hehehhe

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Even worse, they would have direct access to your
> network.  They can sit
> there trying to log in / view directories, add
> themselves as payees to your
> billing etc.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete NOVICE)
> 
> 
> The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
> Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network
> cards).
> 
> Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
> go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
> once you get more familiar with the setup you
> tighten
> up access to the wireless router.
> 
> What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from
> the
> wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
> accept connections from those.  The reason why is
> that
> if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
> radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
> with a wireless network card could use your Internet
> connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
> just sitting out in front of your house in their
> car.
> 
> As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
> more and more common.  Especially as businesses
> implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
> not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority
> of
> the "war-drivers" away.
> 
> --- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> > To all,
> > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are
> downstairs.
> > I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > downstairs.
> > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> for
> > this, whats involved, what I will have to learn
> etc.
> >  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> > possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
> > Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> > starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> > Paul Hartland
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 11:25:19 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:25:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF93@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <20031030172519.62607.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

I kind of cheat at home.  I take the extra paranoid
route.

My network is all encrypted traffic.  I use 3-DES
encrypting NICs (network cards).  All traffic on the
wire on my LAN is encrypted.  When the wireless cards
and routers come out with 3-DES then I will use them
too.

Do I need that kind of paranoia/security?  No.  Not
just no, but hell no....hehehe

But it never hurts to be too paranoid.

--- Bobby Heid <bheid at appdevgrp.com> wrote:
> I went the D-Link route also after buy one of my
> daughters a laptop.
> Remember that you want at least one of the pcs to be
> wired to the router.  
> I bought the D-Link DI-614+ for the wireless access
> point/router and have a
> D-Link DWL-650+ wireless network card for the
> laptop.  The 802.11G was not
> out when I bought this setup.  The items that I got
> were 802.11B, but it
> allows throughput of 22Mb/sec instead of the
> standard 11Mb/sec.
> I agree with Frank that you need to allow only the
> NICs on your network to
> have access to the router.  Also, change the default
> SSID.  And use 12 or
> 256-bit encryption.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete NOVICE)
> 
> 
> The easiest thing to do would be to get a D-Link
> Wireless router and two wireless NICs (network
> cards).
> 
> Hook the D-Link router up to your cable modem.  Then
> go from there.  One thing I *WOULD suggest is that
> once you get more familiar with the setup you
> tighten
> up access to the wireless router.
> 
> What I mean by this is to get the MAC address from
> the
> wireless NICs, then set the wireless router to only
> accept connections from those.  The reason why is
> that
> if you leave it "wide open" anyone within a certain
> radius of your house could have a computer or laptop
> with a wireless network card could use your Internet
> connection for themselves.  This includes if they're
> just sitting out in front of your house in their
> car.
> 
> As silly as it sounds, the above scenario is getting
> more and more common.  Especially as businesses
> implement wireless network connectivity.  While it's
> not completely foolproof, it will keep the majority
> of
> the "war-drivers" away.
> 
> --- paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
> > To all,
> > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > upstairs), mine is upstairs parents are
> downstairs.
> > I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
> > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > downstairs.
> > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> for
> > this, whats involved, what I will have to learn
> etc.
> >  I would like to go for the wireless option (if
> > possible), if anyone has any experience on this. 
> > Also hopefully at some point next year I will be
> > starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
> > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> > Paul Hartland
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 11:26:26 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:26:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <1903295.1067529638340.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEOLHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Paul,

  Besides what everyone else has said, shop around on the router.  With a
broadband connection, you really need to look at a Firewall/Router
combination.

  A router provides some protection via NAT (Network Address Translation),
but that in of itself is not enough these days.  You really need something
that can filter packets and possibly do state full packet inspection as well
(prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a good Firewall Router will be
cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall software.  However you won't
get the exact same features.  Firewall software really gets you into the
application level, which a Firewall/Router does not.  My suggestion is to do
both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with Symantec's Internet Security
on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a cheap Router and go for the
software alone.

  The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to connect to your home office
from abroad, you should look at getting a router with VPN capabilities.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


To all,
I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1 upstairs), mine is upstairs
parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet connection.  I want to
enable them to use my broadband connection from downstairs.
Could someone please give me advice on solutions for this, whats involved,
what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go for the wireless option
(if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.  Also hopefully at some
point next year I will be starting up on my own (part-time), so I will be
looking at servers etc hopefully.
Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly appreciated.
Paul Hartland
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 11:36:48 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:36:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEOLHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20031030173648.92812.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come with a
packet filtering firewall.

I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty sure
the Linksys ones do too.

Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own firewall...hehehe 
But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My firewall
cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware, and I
used Linux with various pieces of Linux software to
achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up against
any commercial product out there for security. 
Checkpoint and the like have nothing on me....hehehehe

--- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
>   Besides what everyone else has said, shop around
> on the router.  With a
> broadband connection, you really need to look at a
> Firewall/Router
> combination.
> 
>   A router provides some protection via NAT (Network
> Address Translation),
> but that in of itself is not enough these days.  You
> really need something
> that can filter packets and possibly do state full
> packet inspection as well
> (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a good
> Firewall Router will be
> cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> software.  However you won't
> get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> really gets you into the
> application level, which a Firewall/Router does not.
>  My suggestion is to do
> both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> Symantec's Internet Security
> on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a cheap
> Router and go for the
> software alone.
> 
>   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> connect to your home office
> from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> with VPN capabilities.
> 
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete
> NOVICE)
> 
> 
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs
> parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet
> connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved,
> what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go
> for the wireless option
> (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
>  Also hopefully at some
> point next year I will be starting up on my own
> (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 11:40:54 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:40:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B8@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I think I Finally figured it out. Some forms would open for the users &
others would not. 

Then it finally hit me a while ago. The forms they cannot open are ones that
are linked to SQL Server tables - ODBC. I was sure it was because I added
the new form & tables.

I am not sure how to fix it or why it happened. But I sure feel a lot
better.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Make sure the same version of MDAC is installed on all the machines.
Differences in that can cause really weird behavior in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I
do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled.
I don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen
event of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown
reason? And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of
solving it could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of
the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, 
> False, I changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a 
> record. If I run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the 
> startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it 
> to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to 
> add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it 
> down to the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode", 
> dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records 
> works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same 
> type of code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I 
> missing something else?
>
> Virginia
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 11:41:33 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:41:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <20031030173648.92812.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEOMHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Frank,

<<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come with a
packet filtering firewall.>>

  Yes, but it's typically limited in what you can do with it.  The cheaper
models also don't do state full packet inspection or have any type of
adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you get what you pay for<g>.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come with a
packet filtering firewall.

I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty sure
the Linksys ones do too.

Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own firewall...hehehe
But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My firewall
cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware, and I
used Linux with various pieces of Linux software to
achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up against
any commercial product out there for security.
Checkpoint and the like have nothing on me....hehehehe

--- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Paul,
>
>   Besides what everyone else has said, shop around
> on the router.  With a
> broadband connection, you really need to look at a
> Firewall/Router
> combination.
>
>   A router provides some protection via NAT (Network
> Address Translation),
> but that in of itself is not enough these days.  You
> really need something
> that can filter packets and possibly do state full
> packet inspection as well
> (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a good
> Firewall Router will be
> cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> software.  However you won't
> get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> really gets you into the
> application level, which a Firewall/Router does not.
>  My suggestion is to do
> both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> Symantec's Internet Security
> on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a cheap
> Router and go for the
> software alone.
>
>   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> connect to your home office
> from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> with VPN capabilities.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete
> NOVICE)
>
>
> To all,
> I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> upstairs), mine is upstairs
> parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet
> connection.  I want to
> enable them to use my broadband connection from
> downstairs.
> Could someone please give me advice on solutions for
> this, whats involved,
> what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go
> for the wireless option
> (if possible), if anyone has any experience on this.
>  Also hopefully at some
> point next year I will be starting up on my own
> (part-time), so I will be
> looking at servers etc hopefully.
> Any advice on best solutions v cost will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 30 11:57:57 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:57:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access database on the Internet
References: <20031030061401.1968970086.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3FA15125.4000904@shaw.ca>

There is/was a way to do this with Access using RDS DataFactory. There 
are security concerns and as far as I know it fell into disfavour. But 
is still maintained in MDAC 2.5. Your client may have heard of this. I 
know companies that still use it.

http://www.able-consulting.com/RDS_Faq.htm
http://www.able-consulting.com/rds25.htm

Remote Data Services (RDS)
Remote Data Services (RDS) is a proprietary Microsoft mechanism for 
accessing remote data across the Internet or intranet. Microsoft is now 
shipping the Microsoft Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP) Toolkit 2.0 
that enables you to access remote data using an open, XML-based 
standard. Given the availability of the SOAP Toolkit 2.0, you should 
migrate from RDS to SOAP. The SOAP 2.0 Toolkit 2.0 also includes sample 
code for remotely accessing Microsoft ActiveX Data Objects (ADO) Recordsets.


Steven W. Erbach wrote:

>Jim,
>
>  
>
>>>in the connection method you can not used 'bound' forms, the connection is simply too slow, unstable and prone to database corruption.
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>'Unbound' forms can be used, with proven results but the initial setup and design more complex. <<
>>>      
>>>
>
>This is valuable information. However, I don't think it will cause any "ripples" since we're talking about an entirely different BE methodology from that used on a LAN.
>
>My client was under the impression that an Access BE could just be plopped onto a web server and the Access FE could simply be relinked to the GoreNet instead of a local server. I'm going to have to disabuse him of that notion.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>
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>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 12:05:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:05:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7B8@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEDKFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Delete the links and relink to the tables.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I think I Finally figured it out. Some forms would open for the users &
others would not.

Then it finally hit me a while ago. The forms they cannot open are ones that
are linked to SQL Server tables - ODBC. I was sure it was because I added
the new form & tables.

I am not sure how to fix it or why it happened. But I sure feel a lot
better.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Make sure the same version of MDAC is installed on all the machines.
Differences in that can cause really weird behavior in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I
do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled.
I don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen
event of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown
reason? And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of
solving it could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of
the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean,
> False, I changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a
> record. If I run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the
> startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it
> to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to
> add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it
> down to the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode",
> dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records
> works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same
> type of code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I
> missing something else?
>
> Virginia
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Oct 30 12:56:40 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:56:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] TEST
Message-ID: <3FA15EE8.20105@verizon.net>

NO ARCHIVE


TEST

-- 
-Francisco




From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 13:12:02 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:12:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEOMHLAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20031030191202.59670.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

For the most part, that is correct.  The more you pay
the more bells and whistles you get.

Although.  Free's not bad for an enterprise grade
firewall...hehehe  But, like I said, I know how to do
this stuff.  I *HIGHLY* recommend against rolling your
own firewall unless you know EXACTLY what you're
doing.

--- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> <<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> with a
> packet filtering firewall.>>
> 
>   Yes, but it's typically limited in what you can do
> with it.  The cheaper
> models also don't do state full packet inspection or
> have any type of
> adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you get
> what you pay for<g>.
> 
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete NOVICE)
> 
> 
> Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come with
> a
> packet filtering firewall.
> 
> I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty sure
> the Linksys ones do too.
> 
> Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own
> firewall...hehehe
> But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My firewall
> cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware, and
> I
> used Linux with various pieces of Linux software to
> achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up against
> any commercial product out there for security.
> Checkpoint and the like have nothing on
> me....hehehehe
> 
> --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> >   Besides what everyone else has said, shop around
> > on the router.  With a
> > broadband connection, you really need to look at a
> > Firewall/Router
> > combination.
> >
> >   A router provides some protection via NAT
> (Network
> > Address Translation),
> > but that in of itself is not enough these days. 
> You
> > really need something
> > that can filter packets and possibly do state full
> > packet inspection as well
> > (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a
> good
> > Firewall Router will be
> > cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> > software.  However you won't
> > get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> > really gets you into the
> > application level, which a Firewall/Router does
> not.
> >  My suggestion is to do
> > both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> > Symantec's Internet Security
> > on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a
> cheap
> > Router and go for the
> > software alone.
> >
> >   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> > connect to your home office
> > from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> > with VPN capabilities.
> >
> > Jim Dettman
> > President,
> > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > (315) 699-3443
> > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of
> > paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> > To: accessd
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete
> > NOVICE)
> >
> >
> > To all,
> > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > upstairs), mine is upstairs
> > parents are downstairs.  I have broadband internet
> > connection.  I want to
> > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > downstairs.
> > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> for
> > this, whats involved,
> > what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to go
> > for the wireless option
> > (if possible), if anyone has any experience on
> this.
> >  Also hopefully at some
> > point next year I will be starting up on my own
> > (part-time), so I will be
> > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> > Paul Hartland
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 13:28:01 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:28:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <20031030191202.59670.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031030192801.92606.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

I may be a complete dumbass when it comes to Microsoft
Access, but I've been a network engineer for 17 years.

--- Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com> wrote:
> For the most part, that is correct.  The more you
> pay
> the more bells and whistles you get.
> 
> Although.  Free's not bad for an enterprise grade
> firewall...hehehe  But, like I said, I know how to
> do
> this stuff.  I *HIGHLY* recommend against rolling
> your
> own firewall unless you know EXACTLY what you're
> doing.
> 
> --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Frank,
> > 
> > <<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> > with a
> > packet filtering firewall.>>
> > 
> >   Yes, but it's typically limited in what you can
> do
> > with it.  The cheaper
> > models also don't do state full packet inspection
> or
> > have any type of
> > adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you
> get
> > what you pay for<g>.
> > 
> > Jim Dettman
> > President,
> > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > (315) 699-3443
> > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> > (complete NOVICE)
> > 
> > 
> > Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> with
> > a
> > packet filtering firewall.
> > 
> > I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty
> sure
> > the Linksys ones do too.
> > 
> > Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own
> > firewall...hehehe
> > But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My
> firewall
> > cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware,
> and
> > I
> > used Linux with various pieces of Linux software
> to
> > achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up
> against
> > any commercial product out there for security.
> > Checkpoint and the like have nothing on
> > me....hehehehe
> > 
> > --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > >   Besides what everyone else has said, shop
> around
> > > on the router.  With a
> > > broadband connection, you really need to look at
> a
> > > Firewall/Router
> > > combination.
> > >
> > >   A router provides some protection via NAT
> > (Network
> > > Address Translation),
> > > but that in of itself is not enough these days. 
> > You
> > > really need something
> > > that can filter packets and possibly do state
> full
> > > packet inspection as well
> > > (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a
> > good
> > > Firewall Router will be
> > > cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> > > software.  However you won't
> > > get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> > > really gets you into the
> > > application level, which a Firewall/Router does
> > not.
> > >  My suggestion is to do
> > > both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> > > Symantec's Internet Security
> > > on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a
> > cheap
> > > Router and go for the
> > > software alone.
> > >
> > >   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> > > connect to your home office
> > > from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> > > with VPN capabilities.
> > >
> > > Jim Dettman
> > > President,
> > > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > (315) 699-3443
> > > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> > > To: accessd
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete
> > > NOVICE)
> > >
> > >
> > > To all,
> > > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > > upstairs), mine is upstairs
> > > parents are downstairs.  I have broadband
> internet
> > > connection.  I want to
> > > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > > downstairs.
> > > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> > for
> > > this, whats involved,
> > > what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to
> go
> > > for the wireless option
> > > (if possible), if anyone has any experience on
> > this.
> > >  Also hopefully at some
> > > point next year I will be starting up on my own
> > > (part-time), so I will be
> > > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> > greatly
> > > appreciated.
> > > Paul Hartland
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 13:47:47 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:47:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <20031030192801.92606.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDNFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought being a network engineer for 17 years just automatically made you
a complete dumbass when it comes to Access.

<VERY big grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)


I may be a complete dumbass when it comes to Microsoft
Access, but I've been a network engineer for 17 years.

--- Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com> wrote:
> For the most part, that is correct.  The more you
> pay
> the more bells and whistles you get.
>
> Although.  Free's not bad for an enterprise grade
> firewall...hehehe  But, like I said, I know how to
> do
> this stuff.  I *HIGHLY* recommend against rolling
> your
> own firewall unless you know EXACTLY what you're
> doing.
>
> --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Frank,
> >
> > <<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> > with a
> > packet filtering firewall.>>
> >
> >   Yes, but it's typically limited in what you can
> do
> > with it.  The cheaper
> > models also don't do state full packet inspection
> or
> > have any type of
> > adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you
> get
> > what you pay for<g>.
> >
> > Jim Dettman
> > President,
> > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > (315) 699-3443
> > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> > (complete NOVICE)
> >
> >
> > Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> with
> > a
> > packet filtering firewall.
> >
> > I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty
> sure
> > the Linksys ones do too.
> >
> > Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own
> > firewall...hehehe
> > But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My
> firewall
> > cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware,
> and
> > I
> > used Linux with various pieces of Linux software
> to
> > achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up
> against
> > any commercial product out there for security.
> > Checkpoint and the like have nothing on
> > me....hehehehe
> >
> > --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > >   Besides what everyone else has said, shop
> around
> > > on the router.  With a
> > > broadband connection, you really need to look at
> a
> > > Firewall/Router
> > > combination.
> > >
> > >   A router provides some protection via NAT
> > (Network
> > > Address Translation),
> > > but that in of itself is not enough these days.
> > You
> > > really need something
> > > that can filter packets and possibly do state
> full
> > > packet inspection as well
> > > (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying a
> > good
> > > Firewall Router will be
> > > cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> > > software.  However you won't
> > > get the exact same features.  Firewall software
> > > really gets you into the
> > > application level, which a Firewall/Router does
> > not.
> > >  My suggestion is to do
> > > both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> > > Symantec's Internet Security
> > > on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a
> > cheap
> > > Router and go for the
> > > software alone.
> > >
> > >   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> > > connect to your home office
> > > from abroad, you should look at getting a router
> > > with VPN capabilities.
> > >
> > > Jim Dettman
> > > President,
> > > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > (315) 699-3443
> > > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> > > To: accessd
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete
> > > NOVICE)
> > >
> > >
> > > To all,
> > > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs, 1
> > > upstairs), mine is upstairs
> > > parents are downstairs.  I have broadband
> internet
> > > connection.  I want to
> > > enable them to use my broadband connection from
> > > downstairs.
> > > Could someone please give me advice on solutions
> > for
> > > this, whats involved,
> > > what I will have to learn etc.  I would like to
> go
> > > for the wireless option
> > > (if possible), if anyone has any experience on
> > this.
> > >  Also hopefully at some
> > > point next year I will be starting up on my own
> > > (part-time), so I will be
> > > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> > greatly
> > > appreciated.
> > > Paul Hartland
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Thu Oct 30 14:23:00 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:23:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home (complete NOVICE)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDNFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031030202300.5136.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

hehehehe

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I thought being a network engineer for 17 years just
> automatically made you
> a complete dumbass when it comes to Access.
> 
> <VERY big grin>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> (complete NOVICE)
> 
> 
> I may be a complete dumbass when it comes to
> Microsoft
> Access, but I've been a network engineer for 17
> years.
> 
> --- Frank Tanner III <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> wrote:
> > For the most part, that is correct.  The more you
> > pay
> > the more bells and whistles you get.
> >
> > Although.  Free's not bad for an enterprise grade
> > firewall...hehehe  But, like I said, I know how to
> > do
> > this stuff.  I *HIGHLY* recommend against rolling
> > your
> > own firewall unless you know EXACTLY what you're
> > doing.
> >
> > --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Frank,
> > >
> > > <<Pretty much all of the ones over about $50
> come
> > > with a
> > > packet filtering firewall.>>
> > >
> > >   Yes, but it's typically limited in what you
> can
> > do
> > > with it.  The cheaper
> > > models also don't do state full packet
> inspection
> > or
> > > have any type of
> > > adaptive capabilities.  Just like anything, you
> > get
> > > what you pay for<g>.
> > >
> > > Jim Dettman
> > > President,
> > > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > (315) 699-3443
> > > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > > III
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:37 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> > > (complete NOVICE)
> > >
> > >
> > > Pretty much all of the ones over about $50 come
> > with
> > > a
> > > packet filtering firewall.
> > >
> > > I know the D-Link ones all do, and I am pretty
> > sure
> > > the Linksys ones do too.
> > >
> > > Me, I cheat.  I custom built my own
> > > firewall...hehehe
> > > But then I have the knowledge to do so.  My
> > firewall
> > > cost me exactly $0.  I already had the hardware,
> > and
> > > I
> > > used Linux with various pieces of Linux software
> > to
> > > achieve my goals.  I'd stack my firewall up
> > against
> > > any commercial product out there for security.
> > > Checkpoint and the like have nothing on
> > > me....hehehehe
> > >
> > > --- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > > > Paul,
> > > >
> > > >   Besides what everyone else has said, shop
> > around
> > > > on the router.  With a
> > > > broadband connection, you really need to look
> at
> > a
> > > > Firewall/Router
> > > > combination.
> > > >
> > > >   A router provides some protection via NAT
> > > (Network
> > > > Address Translation),
> > > > but that in of itself is not enough these
> days.
> > > You
> > > > really need something
> > > > that can filter packets and possibly do state
> > full
> > > > packet inspection as well
> > > > (prevents Denial of Service attacks).  Buying
> a
> > > good
> > > > Firewall Router will be
> > > > cheaper then equipping each PC with Firewall
> > > > software.  However you won't
> > > > get the exact same features.  Firewall
> software
> > > > really gets you into the
> > > > application level, which a Firewall/Router
> does
> > > not.
> > > >  My suggestion is to do
> > > > both (I use a Netgear RO318 Router along with
> > > > Symantec's Internet Security
> > > > on each PC), and if you can't afford to, get a
> > > cheap
> > > > Router and go for the
> > > > software alone.
> > > >
> > > >   The other thing is VPN.  If you ever want to
> > > > connect to your home office
> > > > from abroad, you should look at getting a
> router
> > > > with VPN capabilities.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Dettman
> > > > President,
> > > > Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> > > > (315) 699-3443
> > > > jimdettman at earthlink.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of
> > > > paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> > > > To: accessd
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Networking at home
> > (complete
> > > > NOVICE)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To all,
> > > > I have two desktop PC's at home (1 downstairs,
> 1
> > > > upstairs), mine is upstairs
> > > > parents are downstairs.  I have broadband
> > internet
> > > > connection.  I want to
> > > > enable them to use my broadband connection
> from
> > > > downstairs.
> > > > Could someone please give me advice on
> solutions
> > > for
> > > > this, whats involved,
> > > > what I will have to learn etc.  I would like
> to
> > go
> > > > for the wireless option
> > > > (if possible), if anyone has any experience on
> > > this.
> > > >  Also hopefully at some
> > > > point next year I will be starting up on my
> own
> > > > (part-time), so I will be
> > > > looking at servers etc hopefully.
> > > > Any advice on best solutions v cost will be
> > > greatly
> > > > appreciated.
> > > > Paul Hartland
> > > >
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> > > > AccessD mailing list
> 
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Thu Oct 30 15:30:50 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:30:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
Message-ID: <9000-2200310430213050656@christopherhawkins.com>

I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box
that a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style
Input Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to
type slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-



From lists at theopg.com  Thu Oct 30 15:28:47 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:28:47 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself
In-Reply-To: <25155085.1067530489273.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <000101c39f2c$edaf1e40$4039fc3e@netboxxp>

Hi all...

Using AXP on Win XP

I have a form containing a tab control (3 pages of which 2 have
subforms).

When I cycle down through records in the main form all is well... But
when I cycle back, at certain records, the tab control gets taller until
it fills the form...

I am not messing about with any object heights (some widths) so as far
as I can see there's no reason...

Anyone seen anything similar?

Thanks very much

Mark

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Oct 30 15:54:56 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:54:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Update Table
In-Reply-To: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
References: <014001c399bc$5790e1c0$1a75fea9@LAPTOP>
        <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
Message-ID: <19450.12.3.132.98.1067550896.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hi Group

I need to update a column by setting all fields that are 5 characters long
to equal the same values pluls "0" at the beginning. How do I specify that
in WHERE ?


UPDATE GPM_1
SET [Org Level 2 Code]= "0" & [Org Level 2 Code]
WHERE





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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Oct 30 16:18:36 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:18:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7CE@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Something strange has happened to the SQL Server connection. Now keep in
mind - this has been working for months now with no problems, this week
something has changed and I have no clue what happened.

Somehow the connection has been changed. First change I found, the data was
coming from the development server instead of production. I looked at the
tables and there were all these records with test test as the title. Now it
is requiring a password to SQL Server. I have the ODBC connection to the SQL
Server tables. I relinked the tables, set up a new connection and it is
still not working. Of course IT tells me they have not changed anything, but
they are working on the problem.

Very frustrating!


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Delete the links and relink to the tables.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I think I Finally figured it out. Some forms would open for the users &
others would not.

Then it finally hit me a while ago. The forms they cannot open are ones that
are linked to SQL Server tables - ODBC. I was sure it was because I added
the new form & tables.

I am not sure how to fix it or why it happened. But I sure feel a lot
better.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


Make sure the same version of MDAC is installed on all the machines.
Differences in that can cause really weird behavior in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


I am still having problems.

Now users are getting error messages when they click on a button on the
switchboard. "Error Executing Command" and the forms do not open.

When I click on the buttons on my machine the forms open. What can I
do??

I imported everything into a new database, I have compiled, decompiled.
I don't know what is left to try or what is causing these errors on some
machines and not others?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


That is weird.  Can you put a MsgBox Me.AllowAdditions in the OnOpen
event of the form to see if it is getting set to False for some unknown
reason? And, if so, although it's going around the problem instead of
solving it could you put Me.AllowAdditions= True in the OnOpen event of
the form?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


> Ok I take that back, it isn't the AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean,
> False, I changed it to True again & the form didn't allow me to add a
> record. If I run the StartUp I can't add any records, if I bypass the
> startup, I can
add
> records. This is crazy.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
>
>
> This has me so baffled!
>
> I developed a new form in a development database. When I imported it
> to
the
> production database, it does not work correctly. I have a button to
> add
new
> records. This button does not work in the production dB.
>
> I went through everything to figure it out & narrowed (I think) it
> down to the StartUp Properties  where the AllowBreakIntoCode",
> dbBoolean, False
is,
> when I changed this to True, the button on form to add new records
> works.
>
> Why is this happening? What can I do to correct it? I use the same
> type of code on other forms to add new records & it works fine. Am I
> missing something else?
>
> Virginia
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Thu Oct 30 16:27:25 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:27:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Update Table
Message-ID: <227210-2200310430222725752@christopherhawkins.com>

Try this:

UPDATE [tablename] SET [fieldname] = '0' & '[value]' WHERE
((Len([fieldname])=5));

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Update Table
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:54:56 -0500 (EST)

>Hi Group
>
>I need to update a column by setting all fields that are 5 
>characters long
>to equal the same values pluls "0" at the beginning. How do I 
>specify that
>in WHERE ?
>
>
>UPDATE GPM_1
>SET [Org Level 2 Code]= "0" & [Org Level 2 Code]
>WHERE
>
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 30 16:26:11 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:26:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Update Table
In-Reply-To: <19450.12.3.132.98.1067550896.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <3F984F77.11553.13F9499@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA21CA3.24368.27D91D@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 16:54, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Hi Group
> 
> I need to update a column by setting all fields that are 5 characters long
> to equal the same values pluls "0" at the beginning. How do I specify that
> in WHERE ?
> 
> 
> UPDATE GPM_1
> SET [Org Level 2 Code]= "0" & [Org Level 2 Code]
> WHERE
> 

LEN([Org Level 2 Code]) = 5


or if you also have 2,3 and 4 character long entries, you can pad 
them all in one hit by using

 UPDATE GPM_1
 SET [Org Level 2 Code]= RIGHT("000000" & [Org Level 2 Code],6)

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 30 16:26:11 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:26:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Continuous Forms
In-Reply-To: <20031030121350.49100.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FA21CA3.27374.27D945@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 4:13, Dale Kalsow wrote:

> Good Morning Everyone, I am using access xp and have a Continuous Forms
> question.  I tried to put a subform in a Continuous Form and I
> received an error that it was not allowed.  So I created a listbox
> that shows the same information that the subform did.  The listbox
> lists parts that partain to the current record.  The problem I now
> have is all records displayed have save information in the listbox. 
> As soon as I move to a different record the listbox does update but on
> all records not just the current one.  Does any one know if I can get
> each record to have its own list box or is there a better way to do
> this, maybe a different control? Thanks in advance! Dale 
> 

Try an unbound parent form containing two subforms and an invisible 
text box  

txtLink is the invisible text box.
frmSubForm1 is your current continuous form with a key named "Key". 
frmSubForm2 is the actual subform.   

Set txtLink.ControlSource to "=[frmSubForm1].[Form].[Key]" and set 
the Link Master Field of frmSubForm2 to "txtLink"

As the users moves through the records in frmSubForm1, frmSubForm2 
will update automagically.


 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 16:33:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:33:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself
In-Reply-To: <000101c39f2c$edaf1e40$4039fc3e@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEDFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hey, we have to pay extra for that capability in A2K!

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself


Hi all...

Using AXP on Win XP

I have a form containing a tab control (3 pages of which 2 have
subforms).

When I cycle down through records in the main form all is well... But
when I cycle back, at certain records, the tab control gets taller until
it fills the form...

I am not messing about with any object heights (some widths) so as far
as I can see there's no reason...

Anyone seen anything similar?

Thanks very much

Mark

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 30 16:37:24 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:37:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7CE@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA21F44.19624.321ED5@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 16:18, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> Something strange has happened to the SQL Server connection. Now keep in
> mind - this has been working for months now with no problems, this week
> something has changed and I have no clue what happened.
> 
> Somehow the connection has been changed. First change I found, the data was
> coming from the development server instead of production. I looked at the
> tables and there were all these records with test test as the title. Now it
> is requiring a password to SQL Server. I have the ODBC connection to the SQL
> Server tables. I relinked the tables, set up a new connection and it is
> still not working. Of course IT tells me they have not changed anything, but
> they are working on the problem.
> 

What sort of ODBC connection? I'd suspect you are using a File DSN 
and someone has changed it. (Take a look at the actual DSN file and 
check it's modified date and owner)

 
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From lists at theopg.com  Thu Oct 30 17:58:16 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:58:16 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEDFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001101c39f41$afb2d810$4039fc3e@netboxxp>

hehehe... Nice one

mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 30 October 2003 22:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself


Hey, we have to pay extra for that capability in A2K!

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Tab control gets taller (?) all by itself


Hi all...

Using AXP on Win XP

I have a form containing a tab control (3 pages of which 2 have
subforms).

When I cycle down through records in the main form all is well... But
when I cycle back, at certain records, the tab control gets taller until
it fills the form...

I am not messing about with any object heights (some widths) so as far
as I can see there's no reason...

Anyone seen anything similar?

Thanks very much

Mark

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From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Thu Oct 30 15:42:02 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:42:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E28@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

Hi All,

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 19:39:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:39:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I needed
to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.

Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they recommended
that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work for
Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a bit
long in the tooth, truth be told.

The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.  And
"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The site
survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.

Ignorant liars!

Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the laptop
changes to match!  Still no connection though.

Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a
wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.

Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.

Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others can't
see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
know what I did to finally get it running.

Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 19:59:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:59:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code
In-Reply-To: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E28@bcmsg010.corp.ads>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Liz,

Yep, can be done.  One way (DAO)

dim db as dao.database
dim rst as dao.recordset
dim blnNoRecords as boolean
dim lngRecCnt as long

	set db = currentdb
	set rst = db.open("MyQryName")
	blnNoRecords = rst.eof

OR...
	rst.movelast
	lngRecCnt = rst.recordcount

Someone else can pipe up with the ADO equivalent.

Alternatively you could build a summation query that returns just a count of
a field in the first query.

Lots of ways to skin this cat. (blech, what a saying!)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:42 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and store
it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the user
sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From GordonS2 at pacbell.net  Thu Oct 30 20:44:49 2003
From: GordonS2 at pacbell.net (Gordon Stubbs)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:44:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01c39f58$f552d250$0200a8c0@Home1>

John,
Use the WEP 128 bit encryption that should keep others from getting into
your wireless network. Make sure all your wireless computers use the
same encryption code.

Also turn on the firewall if you have one so you can keep a trusted side
(your network) and un-trusted side (the internet)

Gordon



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:40 PM
To: Database Advisors Inc. (Tech); AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)

I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in)
and
the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered
a
dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.

Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
long in the tooth, truth be told.

The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.

Ignorant liars!

Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router
config
page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
changes to match!  Still no connection though.

Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I
have a
wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.

Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't
quit,
and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.

Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
know what I did to finally get it running.

Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 30 21:01:02 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:01:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA18A1E.15768.1057261@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 20:39, John Colby wrote:

> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

Over on DBA-Tech, if'n you please :-))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That one should keep his words both soft and tender, because tomorrow 
he may have to eat them.



From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Thu Oct 30 21:06:28 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:36:28 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4B8@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

>From a forum I frequent:

**********************************
1) Use 128 bit WEP.

2) Use an obscure WEP key.

3) Don't use the default WEP key number (usually the first, either 0 or 1).

4) Use MAC address filtering

5) Hide the SSID.

6) Have an obscure SSID, not one that easily identifies your location (for
example, use a random string of 20 characters).

7) Turn off your router's DHCP server and use manually, statically assigned
IP addresses.

8) Change the subnet that your network operates on from the default one.

9) Change the IP of the router to something other than .254 or .1.

10) Change the frequency that your wireless network operates on from
something other than the default (usually 6 or 1). I favour the highest
channel that both your router and wireless network card can support,
providing that there is no interference.

If you really want to get paranoid, then you can consider changing any of
the variable parameters listed above on a frequent basis. The best one to
change would be the WEP key itself. Also, seeing as cracking WEP requires
the capture of a large number of packets, you can help to limit this concern
by doing large file transfers and downloads on wired computers rather than
wireless ones.
**************************************

Cheers,
Andrew



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 12:10 PM
To: Database Advisors Inc. (Tech); AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I needed
to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.

Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they recommended
that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work for
Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a bit
long in the tooth, truth be told.

The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.  And
"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The site
survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.

Ignorant liars!

Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the laptop
changes to match!  Still no connection though.

Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a
wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.

Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.

Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others can't
see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
know what I did to finally get it running.

Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 21:26:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:26:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <3FA18A1E.15768.1057261@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEEPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I also posted there.  The problem with that is that I have no idea how many
of the very skilled AccessD list members are on DBA-Tech.  Perhaps you can
answer that.  Am I reaching everyone on AccessD over there?  1/4 of them?

I mean it's a nice idea, but kinda useless if all these "I've been a network
guy for 125 years" guys aren't on that list.

So what percent of our membership hangs out there as well?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


On 30 Oct 2003 at 20:39, John Colby wrote:

> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

Over on DBA-Tech, if'n you please :-))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That one should keep his words both soft and tender, because tomorrow
he may have to eat them.


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 21:30:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:30:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4B8@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow.  Thanks!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett,
Andrew
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


>From a forum I frequent:

**********************************
1) Use 128 bit WEP.

2) Use an obscure WEP key.

3) Don't use the default WEP key number (usually the first, either 0 or 1).

4) Use MAC address filtering

5) Hide the SSID.

6) Have an obscure SSID, not one that easily identifies your location (for
example, use a random string of 20 characters).

7) Turn off your router's DHCP server and use manually, statically assigned
IP addresses.

8) Change the subnet that your network operates on from the default one.

9) Change the IP of the router to something other than .254 or .1.

10) Change the frequency that your wireless network operates on from
something other than the default (usually 6 or 1). I favour the highest
channel that both your router and wireless network card can support,
providing that there is no interference.

If you really want to get paranoid, then you can consider changing any of
the variable parameters listed above on a frequent basis. The best one to
change would be the WEP key itself. Also, seeing as cracking WEP requires
the capture of a large number of packets, you can help to limit this concern
by doing large file transfers and downloads on wired computers rather than
wireless ones.
**************************************

Cheers,
Andrew



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 12:10 PM
To: Database Advisors Inc. (Tech); AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I needed
to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.

Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they recommended
that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work for
Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a bit
long in the tooth, truth be told.

The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.  And
"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The site
survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.

Ignorant liars!

Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the laptop
changes to match!  Still no connection though.

Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a
wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.

Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.

Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others can't
see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
know what I did to finally get it running.

Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 30 21:35:52 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:35:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEEPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3FA18A1E.15768.1057261@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA19248.8354.125575D@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2003 at 22:26, John Colby wrote:

> I also posted there.  The problem with that is that I have no idea how

Yea I know. I meant that the responses should go over there.

> many of the very skilled AccessD list members are on DBA-Tech. 
> Perhaps you can answer that.  Am I reaching everyone on AccessD over
> there?  1/4 of them?

> So what percent of our membership hangs out there as well?

418 AccessD members
73 dba-tech members, a lot of them are the "high fliers" from over 
here.

So I understand your point about posting here and dba-tech.

But we need to get some more traffic over there :-), that is why I 
asked for answers to go over there. 

--
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My reality check bounced.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 30 21:48:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:48:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEFAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am working on my LWS system.  I pulled in a specific class using the file
export / insert class / insert file method outlined in the emails a week or
so ago.  Now my database gets a page fault on decompile.  I have narrowed it
down to a specific class, but I have no idea how to narrow it down further.
The entire system compiles.  The class functions correctly in one form, yet
fails in another.  I just happened to decide to try the decompile and found
the page fault then.

Truly weird that a class that was exported to a text file and then brought
back in to another db would carry with it something that could cause a page
fault on decompile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 30 22:59:54 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:59:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code
In-Reply-To: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E28@bcmsg010.corp.ads>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEEGCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Liz:

How's it going? Just got back from my DBA course.

I am not sure what you fully mean but I will assume you mean, 'How can can a
existing MS Access query to be used to create/populate a recordset. A query
does not return rows because it is just a sequel script but that script can
be used to generate the data for a recordset as follows:

Public Function GetInvoice() as Boolean
 Dim strConnection As String
 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

 strConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

GetInvoice = False

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database.
' If the query does not have parameters just remove the
' .Parameter row from the Command settings.
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = strConnection
 .CommandText = "TheNameofMyMDBQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, strInvoiceCode)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

End Function

Assuming the query was going to return some rows, your recorset is now
populated.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and store
it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the user
sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 23:03:57 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:03:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:
	[dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEPLFDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <03aa01c39f6c$63d2ce70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

I'm beginning to think you're right.  I always took it as an article of
faith to check all the tables - started with that chunk of code in the
ADH97.  I think I've got to write a new checker/relinker routine tomorrow.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw:
[dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker


> Hi Rocky,
> I just check for one table. If you have more than one linked source then,
of
> course, this wouldn't be wise.
>
> I have a function which accepts a table name as a parameter and check the
> link. I guess it is making the assumption that if one table is OK they all
> are - it's usually not a good thing to assume - but I haven't heard of any
> other reason this idea is flawed. It will be interesting to watch this
> thread.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT]
> > KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I've also often wondered if it's really necessary to check all the table
> > links or if just checking one to see if the database is there
> > would suffice.
> >
> > Or if there's even a more concise way to see if the back end is present
in
> > the location it's expected to be.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:32 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping
> > ADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > I too have taken to disabling the relinking unless needed.  I
> > try to map a
> > > drive on every computer such that the links just work.  I wrote an
email
> > re
> > > this subject a month or two ago.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A
> > > DatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > Well, it's working and I'm going to spread it around to all of
> > my client.
> > > Thank you for the code.
> > >
> > > I'm going to one client today where the relinking is very slow.
> >  Although
> > at
> > > most sites I've disabled the automatic relinking on opening the app.
I
> > > usually put the relinking call into the OnClick event of the logo on
the
> > > splash form.  So I can have them force a relink if it becomes
necessary.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:15 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> > > ConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > That will depend to some extent on how many people are in the
database
> > and
> > > > how many tables are being checked.  It seems that the more
> > people in the
> > > > database, the longer the ldf lock file negotion takes.  Thus
> > the speedup
> > > > with only one person in isn't dramatic.  The speedup with 20 in can
be
> > > very
> > > > dramatic.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
> > > > OpeninTribble'sRelinker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the code.
> > > >
> > > > It works well but not a dramatic speed improvement.
> > > >
> > > > I made a copy of ts_tableLinks and called the old function
> > > > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal and the new one tsCheckTableLinksNew.
> > > >
> > > > (I didn't use the conditional compile.  Got an error - Next without
> > For -
> > > > and there's about 12 nested If/Thens, so I just replaced the call
> > > >
> > > > fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name)
> > > >
> > > > in the original with
> > > >
> > > > fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name)
> > > >
> > > > in the new version.)
> > > >
> > > > Then I put both  calls in the opening form:
> > > >
> > > > tsCheckTableLinksOriginal
> > > > tsCheckTableLinksNew
> > > >
> > > > The Original takes about 7 seconds and the New takes about 5.  Is
this
> > > about
> > > > right?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:27 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database Connection
Open
> > > > inTribble'sRelinker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Rocky,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's what I did:
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > On or about line 301 of ts_basTableLinks::
> > > > >
> > > > > Private colRst As Collection    'collection to hold one
> > open recordset
> > > per
> > > > > BE to speed up db
> > > > > 'compiler directive for the logger
> > > > > #Const LogIt = True
> > > > > #Const TimeIt = False
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > Then add in a new function below:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > '-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------
> > > > > ' Determines if a link to a table is valid by attempting to open
the
> > > > Table.
> > > > > ' If this attempt fails the link must be invalid.
> > > > > '
> > > > > ' Accepts: strTable = Name of Table
> > > > > ' Returns: True if link is valid, False otherwise.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > '-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------
> > > > > Private Function fLinkIsValidNew(db As DAO.Database, strTable As
> > String)
> > > > As
> > > > > Boolean
> > > > >    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
> > > > >    Dim var As Variant
> > > > >
> > > > >    On Error Resume Next
> > > > >    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset(strTable)
> > > > >    If err <> 0 Then
> > > > >       fLinkIsValidNew = False
> > > > >    Else
> > > > >       fLinkIsValidNew = True
> > > > >       'keep one recordset / BE open to improve performance
> > > > >       colRst.Add rst, db.Name
> > > > >    End If
> > > > >    On Error GoTo 0
> > > > >
> > > > > End Function
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > Notice that in this function I store a rst in colRst, with
> > the BE name
> > > as
> > > > > the key.  Doing this causes the collection to accept a single
> > recordset,
> > > > but
> > > > > won't accept any others because the key would be the same.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > On or about line 441 of ts_basTableLinks:
> > > > >
> > > > >          LogProcess "Validating: " & mtbl.Name & " "
> > > > > #Const TestNew = True
> > > > > #If TestNew Then
> > > > >          If fLinkIsValidNew(mdb, mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink =
False
> > > Then
> > > > > #Else
> > > > >          If fLinkIsValid(mtbl.Name) And fForceRelink = False Then
> > > > > #End If
> > > > >             'LogResult "[OK]"
> > > > >             '.If fCheckAll parameter is false, then quit after
first
> > > > >             '.valid table link is found.
> > > > >             If Not (fCheckAllLinks = True) Then
> > > > >
> > > > > *********
> > > > > Notice that I use conditional compilation to call the new function
> > > instead
> > > > > of the old.
> > > > >
> > > > > That should do it for you.  Let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> > Smolin -
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] Keeping A Database
> > Connection Open in
> > > > > Tribble'sRelinker
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm using Tribble's relinker in an A2K mdb.  Does anybody
> > know how to
> > > > modify
> > > > > this to keep a reference open to the back end so that it relinks
> > faster
> > > > over
> > > > > a network?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA and regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Oct 30 23:53:46 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:53:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEEGCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001a01c39f73$59c9d200$7001a8c0@COA3>

>I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Liz,
If all you need is a count, try:

lngCount=Dcount("primary_key_field","qry_something") 
If lngCount > 0 then ' you have rows

There's even an optional where clause available as the third parameter
for the function, so you can count how many in the query/table meet a
certain criteria.

Steve




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi Liz:

How's it going? Just got back from my DBA course.

I am not sure what you fully mean but I will assume you mean, 'How can
can a existing MS Access query to be used to create/populate a
recordset. A query does not return rows because it is just a sequel
script but that script can be used to generate the data for a recordset
as follows:

Public Function GetInvoice() as Boolean
 Dim strConnection As String
 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

 strConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

GetInvoice = False

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database.
' If the query does not have parameters just remove the
' .Parameter row from the Command settings.
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = strConnection
 .CommandText = "TheNameofMyMDBQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar,
adParamInput, 10, strInvoiceCode) End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GetInvoice = True
 End If
End With

End Function

Assuming the query was going to return some rows, your recorset is now
populated.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:42 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and
store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the
user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows
or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Oct 30 23:58:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:58:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227467@main2.marlow.com>

I do.....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


I also posted there.  The problem with that is that I have no idea how many
of the very skilled AccessD list members are on DBA-Tech.  Perhaps you can
answer that.  Am I reaching everyone on AccessD over there?  1/4 of them?

I mean it's a nice idea, but kinda useless if all these "I've been a network
guy for 125 years" guys aren't on that list.

So what percent of our membership hangs out there as well?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


On 30 Oct 2003 at 20:39, John Colby wrote:

> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?

Over on DBA-Tech, if'n you please :-))

--
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I've learned....
That one should keep his words both soft and tender, because tomorrow
he may have to eat them.


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 31 01:44:55 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:44:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] white paper
Message-ID: <001d01c39f82$e7fe3f70$220110ac@SUSANONE>

White Paper: How to Survive in a Multi-Database Environment
To help you administer more than one database simultaneously, Quest
Software offers a new white paper: "The Heterogeneous DBA: Surviving
in a Multi database Environment." This white paper reviews common
database terminology, discusses how each database handles space
management, and offers helpful tips on administrative differences.
http://www.ittoolbox.com/r/rd.asp?i=2027

=======Some of you may find this useful. I haven't had a chance to review it
closely yet, so if it's a bust, I apologize.

Susan H.


From nilslenz at 3oaks.com  Fri Oct 31 05:51:41 2003
From: nilslenz at 3oaks.com (Nils R. Lenz)
Date: 31 Oct 2003 11:51:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Your current info
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Oct 31 06:26:00 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:26:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067BE69@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF9A@ADGSERVER>

Hi all,

Yesterday I was happily working away in my db when AccXP crashed and wanted
to send information to MS.  After this event happened, it kept happening.  

Seeing as how everything had already been checked in to SS, I proceeded to
build db from SS.  I started getting errors on many of the items that I had
been working on.  XP created a text file for each item that it could not
import into Access.  Each file has the following text:

Error encountered at line 1.
This object was created with a newer version of Microsoft Access than you
are currently running.

I did a repair on my OffXP installation, but no help.  I'm thinking that it
might be an issue with SS, but I'm not sure.

In the .SCC file that SS creates, Explorer shows .ACF files with a type of
"Microsoft Agent Character File (HTTP format)".  If that helps any.

Has anyone ever ran up against this?  Or anyone have any ideas on how to fix
it?

Thanks,
Bobby


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Oct 31 06:30:03 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:30:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Weird Access XP/SS problem.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF9B@ADGSERVER>

One other thing, I am using Access XP SP2.

Bobby


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 31 06:40:29 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:40:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7F6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Not easily.  We bought some useful tools from ComponentOne one of which does this.  Pretty reasonably priced too.  You might try Codehound.com or Vb2theMax  or PlanetSourceCode for freebies too.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box
that a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style
Input Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to
type slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 31 06:50:00 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:50:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw:
	[dba-OT]KeepingADatabaseConnectionOpeninTribble'sRelinker
In-Reply-To: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXkF38A@pacific.net.hk>
References: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuXkF38A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <2012207773.20031031135000@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

We've chosen to put that feature into a separate repair and
maintenance (compact) modul as a normal user might not have a clue on
what's going on and why not. That way you can leave those options for
a superuser or db-admin person.

/gustav

> I am thinking though that a further test is still probably required to keep it
> as user friendly as required.  Assuming the file exists, but is corrupt, it
> would be nice if the db could have the option to automatically attempt repair
> the BE and then fail gracefully if failure occurs.


From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 06:57:49 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:57:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Rename labels and bind textboxes programmatically
Message-ID: <20031031125749.7403.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I need to create a lot of forms. All with the same
layout.
Top of the page has a listbox (lstHeader) that shows
all fields/records from a table.
Bottom of the page has 11-54 textboxes (the number of
textboxes equals the number of columns in the textbox)

The labels are named: lbl1..through lbl54
The textboxes are named: txt1 through txt54

I want to:
1 - rename the labels to match the column name
2 - bind the rControlSource prop of the textbox to
link to the approp. listbox column e.g.:
txt1.controlsource = lstHeader.column(1)

Can anybody give me some tips on how to do steps 1 and
2? I've added my code below.

TIA

SD


Private Sub Form_Load()
   Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset
   Dim fld As ADODB.Field
   Dim intFldCount As Integer
'-------------------------------------------
   Dim intI As Integer
   Dim frm As Form
   Dim intfrmCount As Integer
   Dim astrCtlName() As String
   Dim astrColName() As String
   Dim i As Integer
   Dim intCnt As Integer
'-------------------------------------------
   'add rowsource to listbox
   lstHeader.RowSource = "tblTest"
   
   'Count columns
   Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset
   rst.Open "[tblTest]", CurrentProject.Connection
   intFldCount = rst.Fields.Count
   
   'Initialize the array to hold control names
   ReDim astrColName(0 To intFldCount - 1)
   
   'Store columnnames in Array
   For intI = 0 To rst.Fields.Count - 1
      Set fld = rst.Fields(intI)
      astrColName(intI) = fld.Name
   Next intI
 
   'loop through columns
   For i = 0 To intFldCount - 1
      Debug.Print astrColName(i)
   Next i

   'Count form objects
   Set frm = Forms("Form1XXXX")
   intfrmCount = frm.Count

   For i = 0 To intfrmCount - 1
      Debug.Print frm(i).ControlType
      Select Case frm(i).ControlType
         Case acLabel
            'rename the label
            Debug.Print frm(i).Name
         Case acTextBox
            'link textbox to lstHeader.column(i)
            Debug.Print frm(i).Name
         Case Else
      End Select
   Next i
End Sub


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 31 07:17:19 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:17:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Your current info
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...not the forum for this Nils :(

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To: "Access D List Post E-Mail" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Your current info


> Access,
>
> I'm updating my address book. Please take a moment to update me
> with your latest contact info.
>
>
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>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 07:28:15 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:28:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863123EF@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
	<002401c39e4c$6700bab0$22edf73d@winxp>
Message-ID: <00a701c39fb2$d6e78cc0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

A.J.:

Sorry for the delayed acknowledgement of your reply which I just received.
My ISP has recently merged with the USPS and they are guaranteeing delivery
of email from any where in the world in under three days.  As you can see
they were way ahead of schedule with yours.  :(

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A.D.Tejpal" <adtp at touchtelindia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


Rocky,

    Having aligned the tops of bullet label and the text box, you may like
to ensure dynamic positioning and sizing of controls horizontally. Can grow
& can shrink properties of detail section (as well as the controls in it)
have to be Yes. Overlapping of any controls in design view may be avoided.

    Sample code is given below. TxtRmk is the main text box, while LbBT is
the label containing the bullet. Hard values used in the sample code (incl
Wd1 & Wd2) can be adjusted suitably so as to get the desired results.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
--------------
Code Start
--------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const Wd1 As Integer = 400
Const Wd2 As Integer = 5000
--------------------------------------------------
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                        FormatCount As Integer)
    TxtRmk.Width = 100     ' Safe value - to prevent
'                                              error on a/c of space
constaint.
    If BulletCriteria = "Y"  Then
        LbBT.Visible = True
        LbBT.Width = Wd1
        TxtRmk.Left = LbBT.Left + Wd1 + 100       ' A
        TxtRmk.Width = Wd2 - (Wd1 + 100)            ' B
    Else
        LbBT.Visible = False
        LbBT.Width = 0.01 * Wd1
        TxtRmk.Left = LbBT.Left + 0.01 * Wd1 + 100   ' C
        TxtRmk.Width = Wd2 - (0.01 * Wd1 + 100)        ' D
    End If
' Note - (A + B) should equal (C + D)
End Sub
--------------
Code End
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 22:08
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  You probably had the textbox positioned slightly above the bullet.  Try
  top aligning them.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  Bob:

  That's exactly what I tried but the bullet always got repositioned below
  the text line after the text line grew.  I used the 'developer stupid'
  approach to solve it.  Realizing that there would always be a line of
  text I made the text line and the bullet the same height and turned the
  bullet on and off depending on the bullet flag of the detail line.  So
  avoided the whole problem instead of solving it.

  But I'm still a bit curious as to what you did different than me that
  made the bullet come out aligned top with the text line.

  Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List


  > Bob
  >
  > ...nice approach ...but won't this always offset the text whether you
  > show the bullet or not?
  >
  > William Hindman
  > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  > lifetime?
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Bob Gajewski" <rbgajewski at adelphia.net>
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:31 AM
  > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  >
  >
  > > William
  > >
  > > ***************************************************
  > > Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

  > > If IsNull([txtTextBox]) or [txtTextBox] = "" Then txtBullet = Null
  > > txtBullet.Visible = False
  > > Else
  > > txtBullet = Chr(62) ' Just a sample using ">"
  > > txtBullet.Visible = True
  > > End If
  > > End Sub
  > > ***************************************************
  > >
  > > Be sure to set both txtBullet and txtTextBox to CanGrow=Yes and
  > > CanShrink=Yes.
  > >
  > > Change the ASCII code to whatever you want actually displayed.
  > >
  > > Place the two text boxes on the same line on the report:
  > >
  > >  [_] [_____________________________]
  > >
  > > I use this coding in some of my reports, and it works fine.
  > >
  > > Regards,
  > > Bob Gajewski
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
  > > Hindman
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 02:36
  > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > >
  > >
  > > ...picky, picky, picky :)
  > > ...how about using an image control for your bullet set for inline
  > > with
  > your
  > > text box control? ...that should give you the effect you want ...HTH

  > > :)
  > >
  > > William Hindman
  > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  lifetime?
  > >
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:44 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > >
  > >
  > > > Well, I'm trying to gild the lily by making it look like a hanging
  > > indent -
  > > > that is, a multi-line section of text would all be left adjusted
  > > > with
  > the
  > > > bullet to the left of the first line.  Just pre-pending the bullet

  > > > to
  > the
  > > > text will work, I suppose, if I can't get it to look like a
  > > > bulleted
  > list
  > > in
  > > > a Word doc.
  > > >
  > > > Rocky
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
  > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:58 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > ...since the "bullet" is really just a text character, why not
  > > concatenate
  > > > > it with the text using an IIF function to turn it on or off?
  > > > >
  > > > > William Hindman
  > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Do you want liberty in your
  > > lifetime?
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  > > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:48 PM
  > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Creating a Bulleted List
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >    Dear List:
  > > > >
  > > > > I have a report which is a number of pieces of boilerplate text
  which
  > > are
  > > > > printed in the detail section of a report.  There is also a
  > boilerplate
  > > > > header text.
  > > > >
  > > > > I set height of both to zero and the Can Grow property to true.

  > > > > So
  > far,
  > > > so
  > > > > good.  Formats nice.  The user can set the Bold, Underline, and
  Italic
  > > > > properties for each piece of boilerplate.
  > > > >
  > > > > Now he wants the option to add bullets to the detail text.  So I
  tried
  > > > > putting a bullet in a label, invisible, height zero, aligned top
  with
  > > the
  > > > > detail text.  If the text bullet property is set to True then I
  > > > > make
  > the
  > > > > label visible and set the height to 225 twips.  All OK except
  > > > > that
  > > because
  > > > > the text can grow, instead of coming out like this:
  > > > >
  > > > > (bullet)  Text One.
  > > > > (bullet)  Text Two.
  > > > >
  > > > > It comes out like this:
  > > > >
  > > > >              Text One.
  > > > > (bullet)
  > > > >              Text Two.
  > > > > (bullet)
  > > > >
  > > > > Is there a way to make this work or a better way to create a
  bulleted
  > > list
  > > > > in a report where the detail field may or may not be bulleted?
  > > > >
  > > > > MTIA,
  > > > >
  > > > > Rocky Smolin
  > > > > Beach Access Software

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 07:33:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:33:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEELFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c39fb3$914311c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 07:47:16 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:47:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c39fb3$914311c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20031031134716.25352.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them to
show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
they rarely take that long to show up but that is the
timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
elections to trickle down.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> John:
> 
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> 
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Oct 31 08:08:06 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:08:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7F6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <000001c39fb8$68714b40$7001a8c0@COA3>

If you're not ready to spend on 3rd party, VB6 does have the MS Masked
Edit control (msmask32.ocx). Under Project/Components/Controls, select
it, then it will show up on your toolbox.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


Not easily.  We bought some useful tools from ComponentOne one of which
does this.  Pretty reasonably priced too.  You might try Codehound.com
or Vb2theMax  or PlanetSourceCode for freebies too.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box that
a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style Input
Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to type
slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Oct 31 08:30:00 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:30:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7F8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Ah I forgot about that one.  I'm trying to remember why we're not using it.  Difficult to customize the mask maybe?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


If you're not ready to spend on 3rd party, VB6 does have the MS Masked
Edit control (msmask32.ocx). Under Project/Components/Controls, select
it, then it will show up on your toolbox.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


Not easily.  We bought some useful tools from ComponentOne one of which
does this.  Pretty reasonably priced too.  You might try Codehound.com
or Vb2theMax  or PlanetSourceCode for freebies too.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box that
a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style Input
Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to type
slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 31 08:33:38 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:33:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7878@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Whatever the ins and outs of corrupted p-code and such that might be causing
this problem, you *should* be able to fix the trouble by simply importing
everything into an empty Db.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:48 PM
> To:	AccessD
> Subject:	[AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
> 
> I am working on my LWS system.  I pulled in a specific class using the
> file
> export / insert class / insert file method outlined in the emails a week
> or
> so ago.  Now my database gets a page fault on decompile.  I have narrowed
> it
> down to a specific class, but I have no idea how to narrow it down
> further.
> The entire system compiles.  The class functions correctly in one form,
> yet
> fails in another.  I just happened to decide to try the decompile and
> found
> the page fault then.
> 
> Truly weird that a class that was exported to a text file and then brought
> back in to another db would carry with it something that could cause a
> page
> fault on decompile.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Oct 31 08:45:20 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:45:20 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Your current info
References: <1067601101.17301.17593.sendUpdate@mx.plaxo.com>
	<006601c39fb1$501a1420$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000501c39fbd$9c05b180$aacc11d2@bitswshome>

I think he has sent this to all contacts in his address book.  But he forgot
to remove mailing lists.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Your current info


> ...not the forum for this Nils :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nils R. Lenz" <nilslenz at 3oaks.com>
> To: "Access D List Post E-Mail" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:51 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Your current info
>
>
> > Access,
> >
> > I'm updating my address book. Please take a moment to update me
> > with your latest contact info.
> >
> >
> > Click the following link to correct or confirm your information:
>
https://www.plaxo.com/edit_contact_info?r=8589975139-21043049--1742336137&t=web
> >
> > Name: Access D List Post E-Mail
> > Job Title:
> > Company: Access D List Post E-Mail Address
> > Work E-mail: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Work Phone:
> > Work Fax:
> > Work Address Line 1:
> > Work Address Line 2:
> > Work City, State, Zip:
> > Mobile Phone:
> >
> > Home E-mail:
> > Home Phone:
> > Home Fax:
> > Home Address Line 1:
> > Home Address Line 2:
> > Home City, State, Zip:
> > Birthday:
> > My current contact information:
> >
> >
> >
> > P.S. I've included my current contact information below.  I've also
> attached a copy as a vCard.
> >
> >  +-----------------
> >  | Nils R. Lenz
> >  | nilslenz at 3oaks.com
> >  | Accountant/Programmer/Primerica Representitive
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 08:46:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:46:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c39fb3$914311c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy chaining my old 4 port
router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The newer models even figure
out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or regular.  The biggest
issue there was that the router was the dhcp server so I had to turn off the
old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also hardwired the address of
the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4 port routers isn't a
panacea however since you now end up using two ports just for the daisy
chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also have a wireless so I can
get my laptop in through that and could also get other computers in if
needed.

I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the internet to "call in"
for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the wall from the living room
(luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I understand that the
model II has USB ports that can automatically use the USB wireless cards to
connect to the internet.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 08:47:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:47:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031031134716.25352.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Win2K Pro all the way.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them to
show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
they rarely take that long to show up but that is the
timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
elections to trickle down.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> John:
> 
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> 
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Oct 31 08:48:52 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:48:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7DA@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Yes, it is a .dsn. The date wasn't changed, but we re-created it anyway,
relinked all the tables & it is now working. Another strange thing is that
it worked not only on my machine, but a users that was running XP OS. I
think someone had to have changed something on the server in IT, this just
doesn't 'happen'.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: AllowBreakIntoCode", dbBoolean, False


On 30 Oct 2003 at 16:18, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> Something strange has happened to the SQL Server connection. Now keep in
> mind - this has been working for months now with no problems, this week
> something has changed and I have no clue what happened.
> 
> Somehow the connection has been changed. First change I found, the data
was
> coming from the development server instead of production. I looked at the
> tables and there were all these records with test test as the title. Now
it
> is requiring a password to SQL Server. I have the ODBC connection to the
SQL
> Server tables. I relinked the tables, set up a new connection and it is
> still not working. Of course IT tells me they have not changed anything,
but
> they are working on the problem.
> 

What sort of ODBC connection? I'd suspect you are using a File DSN 
and someone has changed it. (Take a look at the actual DSN file and 
check it's modified date and owner)

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.



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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 08:51:01 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:51:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031145101.17959.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>

My home LAN is a mish-mash of OSes.  Win2k Pro.  Win2k
Server.  WinXP Pro.  Linux.  FreeBSD.  Soon I will be
adding PS2 Linux (Linux for the Playstation 2) to
it....hehehe

Keeping them all playing nice together gets ugly
sometimes....hehehe

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Win2K Pro all the way.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
> Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
> can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them
> to
> show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
> they rarely take that long to show up but that is
> the
> timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
> elections to trickle down.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > John:
> > 
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > 
> > I've also found that when creating a new network
> it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > 
> > 
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter. 
> Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and
> see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally
> sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or
> not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > 
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 31 08:52:42 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:52:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c39fb3$914311c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEAMHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Rocky,

  Some FYI stuff:

<<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>

  Yes you can do that but you should not go more then 3 levels deep.  If you
do, the latency will become too high (time it takes for a packet to flow
through the network).  In a home network, that would never happen, but it
can in a business and is something you need to watch out for, because it can
happen easily.  Especially with employees who install WAP (wireless access
points) on their own.

<<I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.>>

 That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS works (Win 9x and NT
networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it workgroup name and
computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a "browse master", which keeps
a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then need to contact the browse
master to get the list for network neighborhood.  The browse master is
usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it can't see a browse master
already on the network, then it elects itself to becomes one.  Often, this
causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now talk to another PC
which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go through an arbitration
process to figure out who should get the job.  This involves a considerable
amount of overhead.

  Because of all of the above, the net result is that it can take 10 or 15
minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in network neighborhood.  In
a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes 30 - 45 minutes).

  You can circumvent all this in a home network if you keep one station on
all the time by setting that PC to always be the browse master.  You do that
through network properties, File and Print sharing For Microsoft Networks,
and changing the Browse  Master setting from automatic to enabled or
disabled as appropriate (only one station should be enabled for the entire
network).

  Last, you can often clear up problems without rebooting by dropping to the
command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces a reload of the name
cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by doing nbtstat -c.  The
net view command also shows you the network in a non-graphical format
(Network neighborhood is built on top of that command).

HTH,
Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 08:54:35 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:54:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031145435.35211.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
or server connected to your LAN that's not a
workstation and is virtually always on.

For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
all hubs from your network and using them as
doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
have many benifits over hubs.

Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
port gets the fill bandwidth.

That's not including the security issues inherent with
hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
available ports rather than to the proper destination
port.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> chaining my old 4 port
> router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> newer models even figure
> out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> regular.  The biggest
> issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> so I had to turn off the
> old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> hardwired the address of
> the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> port routers isn't a
> panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> just for the daisy
> chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> have a wireless so I can
> get my laptop in through that and could also get
> other computers in if
> needed.
> 
> I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> internet to "call in"
> for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> wall from the living room
> (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> understand that the
> model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> the USB wireless cards to
> connect to the internet.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> 
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 31 08:58:29 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:58:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEAOHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  Win2K and WinXP still do LAN Manager and NETBIOS under the covers, so you
still can have the same problems.  If you drill down in the registry under
system services, you'll find all the LAN Manager settings still there.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Win2K Pro all the way.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them to
show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
they rarely take that long to show up but that is the
timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
elections to trickle down.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> John:
>
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
>
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 08:58:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:58:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7878@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEGGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The odd part is that by deleting that module back out, the page fault went
away.  I then pulled the actual class module itself in directly from an old
database (from the DatabaseAdvisors article) and no problem.  So SOMETHING
got put into the file when it was exported into the text file, or when that
was inserted into the new class module.

Access can be trying at times!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K


Whatever the ins and outs of corrupted p-code and such that might be causing
this problem, you *should* be able to fix the trouble by simply importing
everything into an empty Db.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:48 PM
> To:	AccessD
> Subject:	[AccessD] Page fault on decompile - A2K
>
> I am working on my LWS system.  I pulled in a specific class using the
> file
> export / insert class / insert file method outlined in the emails a week
> or
> so ago.  Now my database gets a page fault on decompile.  I have narrowed
> it
> down to a specific class, but I have no idea how to narrow it down
> further.
> The entire system compiles.  The class functions correctly in one form,
> yet
> fails in another.  I just happened to decide to try the decompile and
> found
> the page fault then.
>
> Truly weird that a class that was exported to a text file and then brought
> back in to another db would carry with it something that could cause a
> page
> fault on decompile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Oct 31 09:04:42 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:04:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box:  Apply Short Date Input Mask?
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7F8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <000101c39fc0$50a4f130$7001a8c0@COA3>

It's not the easiest, but its already paid for ...IMO, a typical
M$-good-not-great control.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


Ah I forgot about that one.  I'm trying to remember why we're not using
it.  Difficult to customize the mask maybe?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


If you're not ready to spend on 3rd party, VB6 does have the MS Masked
Edit control (msmask32.ocx). Under Project/Components/Controls, select
it, then it will show up on your toolbox.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


Not easily.  We bought some useful tools from ComponentOne one of which
does this.  Pretty reasonably priced too.  You might try Codehound.com
or Vb2theMax  or PlanetSourceCode for freebies too.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB6 Text Box: Apply Short Date Input Mask?


I should know how to do this, but I don't.

I'm building a small VB6 app.  On the interface there is a text box that
a user will key a date into.  I'd like to apply an Access-style Input
Mask to the text box so the user doens't have to remember to type
slashes.

How do I do it?

-Christopher-


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 09:14:48 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:14:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEGFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <01da01c39fc1$b95adc70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I had daisy chained a wireless router off my wired router - turned off the
dhcp in the wireless.  It worked but the wireless machine connection was
unstable.  Then a power outage hosed the wired router so I chucked it and
went with the wireless which was fine because I have 4 machines in wire
range and Pundit's as the fifth wireless.  Now her connection is much more
stable.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:46 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had
no
> joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy chaining my old 4 port
> router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The newer models even figure
> out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or regular.  The biggest
> issue there was that the router was the dhcp server so I had to turn off
the
> old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also hardwired the address of
> the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4 port routers isn't a
> panacea however since you now end up using two ports just for the daisy
> chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also have a wireless so I can
> get my laptop in through that and could also get other computers in if
> needed.
>
> I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the internet to "call in"
> for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the wall from the living
room
> (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I understand that the
> model II has USB ports that can automatically use the USB wireless cards
to
> connect to the internet.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> John:
>
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
>
> I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially
on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network
to
> work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in)
and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered
a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router
config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I
have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't
quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 09:18:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:18:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEAMHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Browse master?  What about the DHCP Server, I thought that was its purpose.
My router hands out addresses.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Rocky,

  Some FYI stuff:

<<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>

  Yes you can do that but you should not go more then 3 levels deep.  If you
do, the latency will become too high (time it takes for a packet to flow
through the network).  In a home network, that would never happen, but it
can in a business and is something you need to watch out for, because it can
happen easily.  Especially with employees who install WAP (wireless access
points) on their own.

<<I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.>>

 That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS works (Win 9x and NT
networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it workgroup name and
computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a "browse master", which keeps
a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then need to contact the browse
master to get the list for network neighborhood.  The browse master is
usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it can't see a browse master
already on the network, then it elects itself to becomes one.  Often, this
causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now talk to another PC
which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go through an arbitration
process to figure out who should get the job.  This involves a considerable
amount of overhead.

  Because of all of the above, the net result is that it can take 10 or 15
minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in network neighborhood.  In
a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes 30 - 45 minutes).

  You can circumvent all this in a home network if you keep one station on
all the time by setting that PC to always be the browse master.  You do that
through network properties, File and Print sharing For Microsoft Networks,
and changing the Browse  Master setting from automatic to enabled or
disabled as appropriate (only one station should be enabled for the entire
network).

  Last, you can often clear up problems without rebooting by dropping to the
command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces a reload of the name
cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by doing nbtstat -c.  The
net view command also shows you the network in a non-graphical format
(Network neighborhood is built on top of that command).

HTH,
Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 09:18:54 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:18:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEAMHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <01f001c39fc2$4c076250$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Jim:

Thanks.  That may give me a lead as to why not all the machines can see all
the other machines.  I think I'll study ancient Aramaic.  Seems easier.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Rocky,
>
>   Some FYI stuff:
>
> <<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your
router
> to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>
>
>   Yes you can do that but you should not go more then 3 levels deep.  If
you
> do, the latency will become too high (time it takes for a packet to flow
> through the network).  In a home network, that would never happen, but it
> can in a business and is something you need to watch out for, because it
can
> happen easily.  Especially with employees who install WAP (wireless access
> points) on their own.
>
> <<I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a
few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially
on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network
to
> work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.>>
>
>  That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS works (Win 9x and NT
> networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it workgroup name and
> computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a "browse master", which
keeps
> a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then need to contact the
browse
> master to get the list for network neighborhood.  The browse master is
> usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it can't see a browse
master
> already on the network, then it elects itself to becomes one.  Often, this
> causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now talk to another PC
> which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go through an
arbitration
> process to figure out who should get the job.  This involves a
considerable
> amount of overhead.
>
>   Because of all of the above, the net result is that it can take 10 or 15
> minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in network neighborhood.
In
> a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes 30 - 45 minutes).
>
>   You can circumvent all this in a home network if you keep one station on
> all the time by setting that PC to always be the browse master.  You do
that
> through network properties, File and Print sharing For Microsoft Networks,
> and changing the Browse  Master setting from automatic to enabled or
> disabled as appropriate (only one station should be enabled for the entire
> network).
>
>   Last, you can often clear up problems without rebooting by dropping to
the
> command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces a reload of the name
> cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by doing nbtstat -c.  The
> net view command also shows you the network in a non-graphical format
> (Network neighborhood is built on top of that command).
>
> HTH,
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> John:
>
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
>
> I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially
on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network
to
> work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in)
and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered
a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router
config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I
have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't
quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 09:19:41 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:19:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031031145435.35211.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01fa01c39fc2$68337360$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Is there a difference between a switch and a router?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> workstation and is virtually always on.
>
> For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> all hubs from your network and using them as
> doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> have many benifits over hubs.
>
> Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> port gets the fill bandwidth.
>
> That's not including the security issues inherent with
> hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> available ports rather than to the proper destination
> port.
>
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > chaining my old 4 port
> > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > newer models even figure
> > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > regular.  The biggest
> > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > so I had to turn off the
> > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > hardwired the address of
> > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > port routers isn't a
> > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > just for the daisy
> > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > have a wireless so I can
> > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > other computers in if
> > needed.
> >
> > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > internet to "call in"
> > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > wall from the living room
> > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > understand that the
> > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > the USB wireless cards to
> > connect to the internet.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> >
> > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 09:21:06 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:21:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEAOHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought it only used that stuff if you had that protocol enabled for that
NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John,

  Win2K and WinXP still do LAN Manager and NETBIOS under the covers, so you
still can have the same problems.  If you drill down in the registry under
system services, you'll find all the LAN Manager settings still there.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Win2K Pro all the way.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them to
show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
they rarely take that long to show up but that is the
timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
elections to trickle down.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> John:
>
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
>
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> thing I'm seeing on the
> laptop
> > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> >
> > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> clear idea why) I have
> a
> > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> >
> > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> play around, don't quit,
> > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> >
> > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> thing up so that others
> can't
> > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> anything since I don't really
> > know what I did to finally get it running.
> >
> > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 09:31:53 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:31:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEAOHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20031031153153.47671.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, they do.  But LAN Manager isn't used between the
"modern" variants by default.  It falls back to that
if the "newer" technologies cannot be used to discover
the devices.

--- Jim Dettman <jimdettman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> John,
> 
>   Win2K and WinXP still do LAN Manager and NETBIOS
> under the covers, so you
> still can have the same problems.  If you drill down
> in the registry under
> system services, you'll find all the LAN Manager
> settings still there.
> 
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Win2K Pro all the way.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
> Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
> can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them
> to
> show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
> they rarely take that long to show up but that is
> the
> timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
> elections to trickle down.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > John:
> >
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> >
> > I've also found that when creating a new network
> it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter. 
> Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and
> see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally
> sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or
> not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
=== message truncated ===


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 09:34:07 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:34:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031153408.94413.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

Master Browser is different than DHCP.  It's a "behind
the scenes" thing.

When a computer is added to the network a browser
election is forced, to see who will be the domain's
master browser.  There is a long convoluted formula
that Windows uses to determine this.  It's based on
OS, hardware, anda few other things I disremember at
the moment.

The winner of this election is the one that hands out
the information that you see when you click on Network
Neighborhood.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Browse master?  What about the DHCP Server, I
> thought that was its purpose.
> My router hands out addresses.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> 
>   Some FYI stuff:
> 
> <<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the ports on your router
> to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>
> 
>   Yes you can do that but you should not go more
> then 3 levels deep.  If you
> do, the latency will become too high (time it takes
> for a packet to flow
> through the network).  In a home network, that would
> never happen, but it
> can in a business and is something you need to watch
> out for, because it can
> happen easily.  Especially with employees who
> install WAP (wireless access
> points) on their own.
> 
> <<I've also found that when creating a new network
> it sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.>>
> 
>  That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS
> works (Win 9x and NT
> networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it
> workgroup name and
> computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a
> "browse master", which keeps
> a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then
> need to contact the browse
> master to get the list for network neighborhood. 
> The browse master is
> usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it
> can't see a browse master
> already on the network, then it elects itself to
> becomes one.  Often, this
> causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now
> talk to another PC
> which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go
> through an arbitration
> process to figure out who should get the job.  This
> involves a considerable
> amount of overhead.
> 
>   Because of all of the above, the net result is
> that it can take 10 or 15
> minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in
> network neighborhood.  In
> a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes
> 30 - 45 minutes).
> 
>   You can circumvent all this in a home network if
> you keep one station on
> all the time by setting that PC to always be the
> browse master.  You do that
> through network properties, File and Print sharing
> For Microsoft Networks,
> and changing the Browse  Master setting from
> automatic to enabled or
> disabled as appropriate (only one station should be
> enabled for the entire
> network).
> 
>   Last, you can often clear up problems without
> rebooting by dropping to the
> command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces
> a reload of the name
> cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by
> doing nbtstat -c.  The
> net view command also shows you the network in a
> non-graphical format
> (Network neighborhood is built on top of that
> command).
> 
> HTH,
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> ports on your router to
> get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> from one router this
> way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> 
> I've also found that when creating a new network it
> sometimes takes a few
> minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> each other - especially on
> the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> trying to get the network to
> work and then have the same experience you had -
> after a few minutes,
> suddenly the other machines are in my network
> neighborhood.  Go figure.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> couple of weeks ago.  I
> needed
> > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> needing to plug in) and
> > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> time.  I then tried and
> > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> around, so I ordered a
> > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> longer, a very long call to
> > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> anything out, they
> recommended
> > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> paycheck from my trip to work
> for
> > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> November 1997?  Getting a
> bit
> > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> >
> > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> before installing etc.
> And
> > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> mhz processor.  So I
> > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
>  Still no joy.  The
> site
> > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> support assured me that if
> > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> >
> > Ignorant liars!
> >
> > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> laptop for channel 11 (it
> > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> around with a couple of
> > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> in to the router config
> 
=== message truncated ===


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 09:36:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:36:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <01fa01c39fc2$68337360$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20031031153604.69925.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>

A router and a switch are fundimentall different
things.

A router does just that.  It routes network traffic.

A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.

Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
ones can perform both functions.This isn't an exact
definition, but it's as close as I could think of
without getting too technical.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price
> and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus
> if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that
> are
> > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent
> with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper
> destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however
> daisy
> > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router. 
> The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover
> or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining
> two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two
> ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use
> the
> > > internet to "call in"
> > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down
> the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically
> use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the
> > > ports on your router to
> > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network
> it
> > > sometimes takes a few
> > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at
> the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an
> ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off
> NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a
> 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11),
> played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter. 
> Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> (no
> 
=== message truncated ===


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 09:37:26 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:37:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031153726.50010.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
that Microsoft networks used for discovery of network
objects, and authentication between said objects.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> protocol enabled for that
> NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> John,
> 
>   Win2K and WinXP still do LAN Manager and NETBIOS
> under the covers, so you
> still can have the same problems.  If you drill down
> in the registry under
> system services, you'll find all the LAN Manager
> settings still there.
> 
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Win2K Pro all the way.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> If any of your other devices are running Windows 95,
> Windows 98, or Windows NT (server or workstation) it
> can, theoretically, take up to 45 minutes for them
> to
> show up on the network.  I say theoretically because
> they rarely take that long to show up but that is
> the
> timeout for Microsoft's "LAN Manager" browser
> elections to trickle down.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > John:
> >
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> >
> > I've also found that when creating a new network
> it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter. 
> Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and
> see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally
> sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or
> not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> 
=== message truncated ===


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 09:49:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:49:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031031153726.50010.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed as a protocol for that LAN
in network manager / properties?

In the past I would end up with ALL of those things actually showing.  These
days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying that whether they show there
or not they are still loaded and being used?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
that Microsoft networks used for discovery of network
objects, and authentication between said objects.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> protocol enabled for that
> NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Oct 31 09:58:11 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:58:11 -0500
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem. - SOLVED
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF9E@ADGSERVER>

Ok, here's the deal.  After repairing OXP, the re-installing OXP, I got to
looking at the forms in notepad.  The ones that were giving me problems had
a "VersionRequired =20" string in it.  The others had a 17.  In looking at
the database open, it was opened as a 2000 format db.  Not the 2002 version
it was supposed to be.  So apparently the crash reset the version info in
the database.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem.


Hi all,

Yesterday I was happily working away in my db when AccXP crashed and wanted
to send information to MS.  After this event happened, it kept happening.  

Seeing as how everything had already been checked in to SS, I proceeded to
build db from SS.  I started getting errors on many of the items that I had
been working on.  XP created a text file for each item that it could not
import into Access.  Each file has the following text:

Error encountered at line 1.
This object was created with a newer version of Microsoft Access than you
are currently running.

I did a repair on my OffXP installation, but no help.  I'm thinking that it
might be an issue with SS, but I'm not sure.

In the .SCC file that SS creates, Explorer shows .ACF files with a type of
"Microsoft Agent Character File (HTTP format)".  If that helps any.

Has anyone ever ran up against this?  Or anyone have any ideas on how to fix
it?

Thanks,
Bobby

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 10:27:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:27:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031162704.67250.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

No.  NetBIOS natively runs in conjunction with TCP/IP.
 There is an option to uncheck that, however.

I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS. 
They're two different things.  NetBEUI is a
"proprietary" Microsoft protocol that is not
routeable.  This makes it very small and efficient for
LAN environments, however, due to limitations of the
protocol itself it tends to be much less efficient in
larger environments, and will not route out to the
Internet at all.


--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed as
> a protocol for that LAN
> in network manager / properties?
> 
> In the past I would end up with ALL of those things
> actually showing.  These
> days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying that
> whether they show there
> or not they are still loaded and being used?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
> discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
> that Microsoft networks used for discovery of
> network
> objects, and authentication between said objects.
> 
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> > protocol enabled for that
> > NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Fri Oct 31 10:27:10 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:27:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] security issue with office XP
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC2531@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

I'm coming back to this issue as I now have my new machine and I need to be
able to connect to the server.  This machine is not on Novel, it is
connecting to the sun server through Windows 2000.  I can create databases
on the server, but I can not open them.  I am thinking that something has to
be set up through the network folks to get the lan server to talk to the sun
server.  If anyone has any suggestions that I can try through the PC, please
feel free to offer.


From steve.grant at stgsolutions.com  Fri Oct 31 10:33:24 2003
From: steve.grant at stgsolutions.com (Steve Grant)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:33:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c39fcc$b77fd9e0$9301110a@stegralaptop>

Hi John,

In order to use Network neighborhood, you have to use NetBios.

If you look closely in your TCPIP settings you'll see that you are using
NetBios over TCPIP.

So in fact, you do not need to put it as a protocol.

I think you will have to put it as a protocol if you are using anything
lower than Win98.

Steve

-----Message d'origine-----
De?: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] De la part de John Colby
Envoy??: October 31, 2003 10:50 AM
??: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Objet?: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)

Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed as a protocol for that LAN
in network manager / properties?

In the past I would end up with ALL of those things actually showing.  These
days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying that whether they show there
or not they are still loaded and being used?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
that Microsoft networks used for discovery of network
objects, and authentication between said objects.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> protocol enabled for that
> NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 10:39:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:39:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031031162704.67250.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEGPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.

ohhhh.... you may be right.

I know just enough to be dangerous, but I can say with some pride that I am
VERY dangerous!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


No.  NetBIOS natively runs in conjunction with TCP/IP.
 There is an option to uncheck that, however.

I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
They're two different things.  NetBEUI is a
"proprietary" Microsoft protocol that is not
routeable.  This makes it very small and efficient for
LAN environments, however, due to limitations of the
protocol itself it tends to be much less efficient in
larger environments, and will not route out to the
Internet at all.


--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed as
> a protocol for that LAN
> in network manager / properties?
>
> In the past I would end up with ALL of those things
> actually showing.  These
> days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying that
> whether they show there
> or not they are still loaded and being used?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
>
>
> NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
> discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old" method
> that Microsoft networks used for discovery of
> network
> objects, and authentication between said objects.
>
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > I thought it only used that stuff if you had that
> > protocol enabled for that
> > NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Oct 31 10:48:14 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:48:14 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: (Friday Funnies) Office Comparison
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEGPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c39fce$c70b45f0$aacc11d2@bitswshome>

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/10/compare.html


From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Fri Oct 31 10:51:41 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:51:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAF9E@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug








From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 10:57:03 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:57:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Any suggestions for preventing this type of behavior?

Spanking?

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug







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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 31 10:57:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:57:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312404@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I can't remember ever seeing form corruption in a production
environment, but it is a not uncommon occurrence in a development
environment.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 10:59:10 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEGPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031031165910.74632.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

At least you're not like some of the (l)users I
support.  Some of them barely know where the power
button is.

--- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> >I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
> 
> ohhhh.... you may be right.
> 
> I know just enough to be dangerous, but I can say
> with some pride that I am
> VERY dangerous!!!
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> No.  NetBIOS natively runs in conjunction with
> TCP/IP.
>  There is an option to uncheck that, however.
> 
> I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
> They're two different things.  NetBEUI is a
> "proprietary" Microsoft protocol that is not
> routeable.  This makes it very small and efficient
> for
> LAN environments, however, due to limitations of the
> protocol itself it tends to be much less efficient
> in
> larger environments, and will not route out to the
> Internet at all.
> 
> 
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed
> as
> > a protocol for that LAN
> > in network manager / properties?
> >
> > In the past I would end up with ALL of those
> things
> > actually showing.  These
> > days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying
> that
> > whether they show there
> > or not they are still loaded and being used?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
> > discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old"
> method
> > that Microsoft networks used for discovery of
> > network
> > objects, and authentication between said objects.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > I thought it only used that stuff if you had
> that
> > > protocol enabled for that
> > > NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 31 11:03:19 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:03:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
References: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <4627406498.20031031180319@cactus.dk>

Hi Doug

> .. Any suggestions for preventing this type of behavior?

Convert the picture to bmp format and use that.

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 31 11:07:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:07:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312406@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is
Access 2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get
the crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so
it will be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you
sometimes have problems with whatever caused the crash in the first
place.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem.


Hi all,

Yesterday I was happily working away in my db when AccXP crashed and
wanted to send information to MS.  After this event happened, it kept
happening.  

Seeing as how everything had already been checked in to SS, I proceeded
to build db from SS.  I started getting errors on many of the items that
I had been working on.  XP created a text file for each item that it
could not import into Access.  Each file has the following text:

Error encountered at line 1.
This object was created with a newer version of Microsoft Access than
you are currently running.

I did a repair on my OffXP installation, but no help.  I'm thinking that
it might be an issue with SS, but I'm not sure.

In the .SCC file that SS creates, Explorer shows .ACF files with a type
of "Microsoft Agent Character File (HTTP format)".  If that helps any.

Has anyone ever ran up against this?  Or anyone have any ideas on how to
fix it?

Thanks,
Bobby

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 31 11:19:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:19:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222746B@main2.marlow.com>

No.  Computer Browsing deals with finding a machine on the network.  DHCP is
only the service that hands out IP Addresses.  One a LAN, you either need to
use DNS, WINS, or computer browsing.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Browse master?  What about the DHCP Server, I thought that was its purpose.
My router hands out addresses.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Rocky,

  Some FYI stuff:

<<I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router
to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.>>

  Yes you can do that but you should not go more then 3 levels deep.  If you
do, the latency will become too high (time it takes for a packet to flow
through the network).  In a home network, that would never happen, but it
can in a business and is something you need to watch out for, because it can
happen easily.  Especially with employees who install WAP (wireless access
points) on their own.

<<I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.>>

 That's because of the way LAN manager and NETBIOS works (Win 9x and NT
networking).  When a PC boots up, it broadcasts it workgroup name and
computer name.  One PC on the network acts as a "browse master", which keeps
a list of what's on the network.  Other PC's then need to contact the browse
master to get the list for network neighborhood.  The browse master is
usually the first PC booted on the network.  If it can't see a browse master
already on the network, then it elects itself to becomes one.  Often, this
causes problem when (for whatever reason) it can now talk to another PC
which thinks it is a browse master.  They have to go through an arbitration
process to figure out who should get the job.  This involves a considerable
amount of overhead.

  Because of all of the above, the net result is that it can take 10 or 15
minutes for a workgroup or computer to show up in network neighborhood.  In
a large network, it can take even longer (sometimes 30 - 45 minutes).

  You can circumvent all this in a home network if you keep one station on
all the time by setting that PC to always be the browse master.  You do that
through network properties, File and Print sharing For Microsoft Networks,
and changing the Browse  Master setting from automatic to enabled or
disabled as appropriate (only one station should be enabled for the entire
network).

  Last, you can often clear up problems without rebooting by dropping to the
command prompt and doing: nbtstat -R , which forces a reload of the name
cache.  You can see what's in the current cache by doing nbtstat -c.  The
net view command also shows you the network in a non-graphical format
(Network neighborhood is built on top of that command).

HTH,
Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


John:

I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your router to
get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices from one router this
way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.

I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes takes a few
minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' each other - especially on
the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated trying to get the network to
work and then have the same experience you had - after a few minutes,
suddenly the other machines are in my network neighborhood.  Go figure.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
"AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago.  I
needed
> to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and
> the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time.  I then tried and
> failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a
> dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com.  Long story
> short, it didn't work.  Long story a little longer, a very long call to
> dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
>
> Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure anything out, they
recommended
> that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work
for
> Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997?  Getting a
bit
> long in the tooth, truth be told.
>
> The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc.
And
> "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor.  So I
> uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV,
> reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.  Still no joy.  The
site
> survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if
> there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
>
> Ignorant liars!
>
> Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it
> defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of
> other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went in to the router config
> page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the
laptop
> changes to match!  Still no connection though.
>
> Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have
a
> wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web.  Yeaaaaa.
>
> Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit,
> and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
>
> Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others
can't
> see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really
> know what I did to finally get it running.
>
> Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 31 11:20:37 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:20:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222746C@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router is
used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so it
can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to another.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Is there a difference between a switch and a router?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> workstation and is virtually always on.
>
> For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> all hubs from your network and using them as
> doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> have many benifits over hubs.
>
> Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> port gets the fill bandwidth.
>
> That's not including the security issues inherent with
> hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> available ports rather than to the proper destination
> port.
>
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > chaining my old 4 port
> > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > newer models even figure
> > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > regular.  The biggest
> > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > so I had to turn off the
> > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > hardwired the address of
> > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > port routers isn't a
> > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > just for the daisy
> > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > have a wireless so I can
> > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > other computers in if
> > needed.
> >
> > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > internet to "call in"
> > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > wall from the living room
> > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > understand that the
> > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > the USB wireless cards to
> > connect to the internet.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > ports on your router to
> > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > from one router this
> > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> >
> > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > sometimes takes a few
> > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > each other - especially on
> > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > trying to get the network to
> > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > after a few minutes,
> > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > needed
> > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > needing to plug in) and
> > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > time.  I then tried and
> > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > around, so I ordered a
> > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > longer, a very long call to
> > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > anything out, they
> > recommended
> > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > paycheck from my trip to work
> > for
> > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > November 1997?  Getting a
> > bit
> > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > >
> > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > before installing etc.
> > And
> > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > mhz processor.  So I
> > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> >  Still no joy.  The
> > site
> > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > support assured me that if
> > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > >
> > > Ignorant liars!
> > >
> > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > around with a couple of
> > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > in to the router config
> > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > thing I'm seeing on the
> > laptop
> > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > >
> > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > clear idea why) I have
> > a
> > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > >
> > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > play around, don't quit,
> > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > >
> > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > thing up so that others
> > can't
> > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > anything since I don't really
> > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > >
> > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 31 11:22:07 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:22:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031031165910.74632.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c39fd3$82c41430$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...which, imnsho, is a GOOD thing! :))))

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> At least you're not like some of the (l)users I
> support.  Some of them barely know where the power
> button is.
>
> --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
> >
> > ohhhh.... you may be right.
> >
> > I know just enough to be dangerous, but I can say
> > with some pride that I am
> > VERY dangerous!!!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:27 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > No.  NetBIOS natively runs in conjunction with
> > TCP/IP.
> >  There is an option to uncheck that, however.
> >
> > I think you're confusing NetBEUI, with NetBIOS.
> > They're two different things.  NetBEUI is a
> > "proprietary" Microsoft protocol that is not
> > routeable.  This makes it very small and efficient
> > for
> > LAN environments, however, due to limitations of the
> > protocol itself it tends to be much less efficient
> > in
> > larger environments, and will not route out to the
> > Internet at all.
> >
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Does that mean that it doesn't have to be listed
> > as
> > > a protocol for that LAN
> > > in network manager / properties?
> > >
> > > In the past I would end up with ALL of those
> > things
> > > actually showing.  These
> > > days only TCPIP actually shows.  Are you saying
> > that
> > > whether they show there
> > > or not they are still loaded and being used?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > > III
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:37 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > NetBIOS is on by default because it is a network
> > > discovery protocol.  LAN Manager is an "old"
> > method
> > > that Microsoft networks used for discovery of
> > > network
> > > objects, and authentication between said objects.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > I thought it only used that stuff if you had
> > that
> > > > protocol enabled for that
> > > > NIC.  AFAIK all my workstations only use TCPIP.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 31 11:27:19 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:27:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: (Friday Funnies) Office Comparison
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222746D@main2.marlow.com>

I liked this part...too bad it was near the end...

Access exactly the same but costs $50 more
Access much more valuable to your corporation with $50 more on the price
tag.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: (Friday Funnies) Office Comparison


http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/10/compare.html

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 31 11:33:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:33:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
In-Reply-To: <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
 <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>

Hi all

The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:

> My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> record and adding a header etc. to the final document.

Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?

It is for assembling a catalogue where each item in Access has it own
small description in formatted text (bold, underline, sub/sup script
only) into one rtf document which are read by the dtp people.

Basically the task is to strip the header and the tail from the small
rtf strings, concatenation these, then adding one header and one tail
to create one finished document.

/gustav


> I once located these links to a compact list of codes (not sure of the
> version) and some simple code examples:

>   http://thorkildsen.no/faqsys/docs/rtf.txt

>   http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=233068

> My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> record and adding a header etc. to the final document.

> So if you come up with a routine for parsing an rtf string, at least
> extracting the content including bold, underline, and italic
> attributes, I would be pleased to see it.

> Here's a link to a class in RealBasic for parsing a subset of rtf
> formatted text. I guess you can download a trial version of RealBasic
> to study it:

>   http://www.belle-nuit.com/realbasic/rtfparser.html

> In Java life is easier:

>   http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/docs/api/javax/swing/text/rtf/RTFEditorKit.html

> /gustav


>> Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're interested, I
>> was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en

>> Mark


>> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work to
>> write it.

>> The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before writing
>> them out to the file.

>> Here is a link to the RTF spec.

> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp?frame=true

>> As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.

> http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs

>> Bryan Carbonnell
>> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 11:50:04 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:50:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Replication by CD copy
Message-ID: <20031031115004.1440114447.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I'm attempting to set up replication for an Access XP application I've written. I developed the database in Access 2000 on my office w/s using a FE/BE scheme. I made my office copy of the BE the Design Master (I only replicated the BE; the FE isn't replicated) and I made one Replica from it to be the Hub, I believe it's called.

I made a replica from the Hub and wrote it to a CD to take to my client's site. There I copied it to his main workstation and proceeded to make replicas of it to be distributed to a number of laptops that won't be connected to his network *at all*.

My question is this: if the owners of these laptops periodically make CD copies of their replicas and mail them to the home office of my client and he synchronizes them with the main PC copy...and then makes copies onto CD and mails them back to the laptop owners and *they* synchronize with their replicas...would that work OK? There doesn't seem to be any other practical way for these laptop copies to by synched with the Main Office except by mailing CDs back and forth.

My concern is if a laptop owner makes a CD copy of the replicated BE and mails it off, and then proceeds to enter and edit more data before he gets an up-to-date CD from the home office, would that mess up the replication scheme? I'm guessing No, it wouldn't; but I'm not sure. Of course, the documentation for replication is a monumental dud.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 31 11:47:25 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:47:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
	<5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004b01c39fd7$0ba95e60$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

gustav

...you might take a look at Lebans RTF stuff ...he has code for copying RTF
to and from the clipboard and for processing the elements into a grid
control.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA


> Hi all
>
> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:
>
> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
>
> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?
>
> It is for assembling a catalogue where each item in Access has it own
> small description in formatted text (bold, underline, sub/sup script
> only) into one rtf document which are read by the dtp people.
>
> Basically the task is to strip the header and the tail from the small
> rtf strings, concatenation these, then adding one header and one tail
> to create one finished document.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > I once located these links to a compact list of codes (not sure of the
> > version) and some simple code examples:
>
> >   http://thorkildsen.no/faqsys/docs/rtf.txt
>
> >   http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=233068
>
> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
>
> > So if you come up with a routine for parsing an rtf string, at least
> > extracting the content including bold, underline, and italic
> > attributes, I would be pleased to see it.
>
> > Here's a link to a class in RealBasic for parsing a subset of rtf
> > formatted text. I guess you can download a trial version of RealBasic
> > to study it:
>
> >   http://www.belle-nuit.com/realbasic/rtfparser.html
>
> > In Java life is easier:
>
> >
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/docs/api/javax/swing/text/rtf/RTFEditorKit.html
>
> > /gustav
>
>
> >> Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're
interested, I
> >> was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.
>
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en
>
> >> Mark
>
>
> >> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will
work to
> >> write it.
>
> >> The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before
writing
> >> them out to the file.
>
> >> Here is a link to the RTF spec.
>
> >
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp?frame=true
>
> >> As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.
>
> > http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs
>
> >> Bryan Carbonnell
> >> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 11:59:05 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:59:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031031153604.69925.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <05a901c39fd8$ae9fb3c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

"but it's as close as I could think of without getting too technical."

Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like halfway between a hub and
a router?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> things.
>
> A router does just that.  It routes network traffic.
>
> A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
>
> Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> ones can perform both functions.This isn't an exact
> definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> without getting too technical.
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price
> > and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus
> > if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that
> > are
> > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent
> > with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however
> > daisy
> > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover
> > or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining
> > two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two
> > ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use
> > the
> > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down
> > the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically
> > use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> > the
> > > > ports on your router to
> > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network
> > it
> > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> > kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at
> > the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> > laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an
> > ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off
> > NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a
> > 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> > card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> > regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11),
> > played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.
> > Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> > (no
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri Oct 31 12:29:34 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:29:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <05a901c39fd8$ae9fb3c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20031031182934.87628.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

It is sort of half-way, but not really.

Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
switches, on their most basic level perform the same
function.  They distribute network traffic.  But HOW
they distribute that traffic is fundimentally
different.

Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4
switches, they cannot perform routing functions.  They
just hand packets off from point A to point B.  Think
of them as sort of a postman.  They have an address
for each device on the network and they hand off each
piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
using this sama analagy would deliver the same piece
of mail to every house and the one that it belonged to
would be the one that actually reads it.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> "but it's as close as I could think of without
> getting too technical."
> 
> Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like
> halfway between a hub and
> a router?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> > things.
> >
> > A router does just that.  It routes network
> traffic.
> >
> > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> >
> > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> exact
> > definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> > without getting too technical.
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > > device
> > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > > >
> > > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > > removing
> > > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in
> price
> > > and
> > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > >
> > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports. 
> Thus
> > > if
> > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> that
> > > are
> > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch,
> each
> > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > >
> > > > That's not including the security issues
> inherent
> > > with
> > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to
> all
> > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > destination
> > > > port.
> > > >
> > > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am
> however
> > > daisy
> > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > > The
> > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> crossover
> > > or
> > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > > server
> > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > > also
> > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> Chaining
> > > two 4
> > > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > > panacea however since you now end up using
> two
> > > ports
> > > > > just for the daisy
> > > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I
> also
> > > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > > get my laptop in through that and could also
> get
> > > > > other computers in if
> > > > > needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to
> use
> > > the
> > > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable
> down
> > > the
> > > > > wall from the living room
> > > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > > basement).  I
> > > > > understand that the
> > > > > model II has USB ports that can
> automatically
> > > use
> > > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > > connect to the internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John:
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off
> one of
> > > the
> > > > > ports on your router to
> > > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > > devices
> > > > > from one router this
> > > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've also found that when creating a new
> network
> > > it
> > > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > > 'see'
> > > > > each other - especially on
> > > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around
> frustrated
> > > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > > work and then have the same experience you
> had -
> > > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > > suddenly the other machines are in my
> network
> > > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Colby"
> <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless
> router a
> > > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > > needed
> 
=== message truncated ===


From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Oct 31 12:19:49 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:19:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <001901c39fcf$43c18af0$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <012201c39fdb$92a5cee0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

Doug,

I would recommend decompiling your development mdb. Steps:

 1. Backup your mdb
 2. Decompile. To do this, run Access with the /decompile switch:
      MSACCESS.EXE your.mdb  /decompile
 3. Compact and Repair.
 4. Compile your VBA project.
 5. Make your mde and deploy

I always decompile:

 * Before deploying updates
 * When I get the 'Bad DLL calling convention' error
 * Anytime I sense any weirdness at all with VBA's behavior

I will usually decompile:

 * After extensive code revisions
 * After adding/removing objects containing code

Decompile has fixed a long list of corruption issues for me. I've relied on
it for over a year now, and I trust it, at least in A2K. It is on my list of
'best-practice' methods for maintaining trouble-free code.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug









From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 31 13:04:29 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:04:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Replication by CD copy
References: <20031031115004.1440114447.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3FA2B23D.8080802@shaw.ca>

Copying or moving replicas either by email or sneaker net is a BAD THING.

Here is Michael Kaplan's take on this. He made a small fortune fixing 
these things.

PURPOSE OF REPLICATION: To have two or more copies of a Jet database 
that are always considered one synchronization away from being 
identical. Multiple people can make changes in multiple databases but in 
the end everyone will reach "convergence" and will be the same. The 
support is for connected and occasionally connected users... but not FOR 
disconnected users. Microsoft Jet replication does not support the 
scenario where you do not have a true direct, indirect, or internet 
connection. Period.

This will not apply in the following scenarios:

1) Using the built-in methods to move a replica, either via the 
Replication Manager menu command or the TSI Synchronizer MoveReplica 
method.
2) The briefcase reconciler


http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet009.asp?1033
Have look through his site for replication suggestions
http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/

Steven W. Erbach wrote:

>Dear Group,
>
>I'm attempting to set up replication for an Access XP application I've written. I developed the database in Access 2000 on my office w/s using a FE/BE scheme. I made my office copy of the BE the Design Master (I only replicated the BE; the FE isn't replicated) and I made one Replica from it to be the Hub, I believe it's called.
>
>I made a replica from the Hub and wrote it to a CD to take to my client's site. There I copied it to his main workstation and proceeded to make replicas of it to be distributed to a number of laptops that won't be connected to his network *at all*.
>
>My question is this: if the owners of these laptops periodically make CD copies of their replicas and mail them to the home office of my client and he synchronizes them with the main PC copy...and then makes copies onto CD and mails them back to the laptop owners and *they* synchronize with their replicas...would that work OK? There doesn't seem to be any other practical way for these laptop copies to by synched with the Main Office except by mailing CDs back and forth.
>
>My concern is if a laptop owner makes a CD copy of the replicated BE and mails it off, and then proceeds to enter and edit more data before he gets an up-to-date CD from the home office, would that mess up the replication scheme? I'm guessing No, it wouldn't; but I'm not sure. Of course, the documentation for replication is a monumental dud.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>Scientific Marketing
>Neenah, WI
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Fri Oct 31 13:26:10 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:26:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <012201c39fdb$92a5cee0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <002701c39fe4$d7184e00$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Ken,

Thank you for your thoughts.  I use decompile when I start getting odd
behaviors, but have had it fail with form coruptions. I saw a message
the other day on this list about the total number of controls that could
be put on and removed from forms and reports during their life after
which they wouldn't work anymore.  It seems there is a bunch of stuff
that accumulates with Access Objects through their life that can
eventually cause problems.

When we ran into this problem yesterday with the insufficient memory
thing and it turned out to be a form coruption I started wondering if
there were some basic maintenance tasks that could be done periodicly to
increase product reliability and avoid these problems, which always seem
to happen at the worst time.  Maybe the name Murphy has something to do
with it.

I read somewhere, Kaplan's site I think, that decompile has its own set
of limitations and risks so it is not the universal tool, but it has
saved my tail several times too.

Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Doug,

I would recommend decompiling your development mdb. Steps:

 1. Backup your mdb
 2. Decompile. To do this, run Access with the /decompile switch:
      MSACCESS.EXE your.mdb  /decompile
 3. Compact and Repair.
 4. Compile your VBA project.
 5. Make your mde and deploy

I always decompile:

 * Before deploying updates
 * When I get the 'Bad DLL calling convention' error
 * Anytime I sense any weirdness at all with VBA's behavior

I will usually decompile:

 * After extensive code revisions
 * After adding/removing objects containing code

Decompile has fixed a long list of corruption issues for me. I've relied
on it for over a year now, and I trust it, at least in A2K. It is on my
list of 'best-practice' methods for maintaining trouble-free code.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug








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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 31 14:10:49 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:10:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message
In-Reply-To: <002701c39fe4$d7184e00$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEHOFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

And I have found decompile to be much more reliable than everybody makes it
out to be.  OTOH, I had it completely hose a db one time.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Ken,

Thank you for your thoughts.  I use decompile when I start getting odd
behaviors, but have had it fail with form coruptions. I saw a message
the other day on this list about the total number of controls that could
be put on and removed from forms and reports during their life after
which they wouldn't work anymore.  It seems there is a bunch of stuff
that accumulates with Access Objects through their life that can
eventually cause problems.

When we ran into this problem yesterday with the insufficient memory
thing and it turned out to be a form coruption I started wondering if
there were some basic maintenance tasks that could be done periodicly to
increase product reliability and avoid these problems, which always seem
to happen at the worst time.  Maybe the name Murphy has something to do
with it.

I read somewhere, Kaplan's site I think, that decompile has its own set
of limitations and risks so it is not the universal tool, but it has
saved my tail several times too.

Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Doug,

I would recommend decompiling your development mdb. Steps:

 1. Backup your mdb
 2. Decompile. To do this, run Access with the /decompile switch:
      MSACCESS.EXE your.mdb  /decompile
 3. Compact and Repair.
 4. Compile your VBA project.
 5. Make your mde and deploy

I always decompile:

 * Before deploying updates
 * When I get the 'Bad DLL calling convention' error
 * Anytime I sense any weirdness at all with VBA's behavior

I will usually decompile:

 * After extensive code revisions
 * After adding/removing objects containing code

Decompile has fixed a long list of corruption issues for me. I've relied
on it for over a year now, and I trust it, at least in A2K. It is on my
list of 'best-practice' methods for maintaining trouble-free code.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] There Isn't Enough Free Memory error message


Folks,

We just experienced a weird error in a database that has been working
for several years.  This is a product that we distribute as a runtime
and are just getting ready to make a presentation on at a conference.
Last night in putting it on the laptop we got an error message saying
"There isn't enough free memory to update the display. Close unneeded
programs and try again".  I did a quick Google search on this and found
that there is a problem with Access 2000 form with it's picture property
set to a gif image.  This isn't the case in our situation.  We are using
AccessXP, an MDE file in runtime mode.  The form has a small jpeg image
on it.  After playing with the DB for a while, Pressure mounting as the
flight leaves at 8:00 the next morning, I found that the opeing splash
screen that runs some initialization code was corupted.  I copied the
form components and code into a new form and it seems to be working.

We have not changed this form for quite a while and having it all of a
sudden corrupt doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for something we send to
folks to install on their computers.  I retested the new install on all
the versions and permutations of WindowsXP with and without Office XP
that we have on our test systems.  So far it seems to be working.  Has
any one else had an experience like this?  Any suggestions for
preventing this type of behavior?  With a database that is under
continual development, would it be a good practice to import all objects
into a new container every so often to prevent this type of behavior?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Doug








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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Oct 31 15:12:58 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:12:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227479@main2.marlow.com>

No.  A switch and a router are two separate functions.  Yes, you can have a
device that is both, but it's like saying that a can opener is halfway
between a knife and a tweezers.  You can have all three on a swiss army
knife, but their purposes are different.

A hub connects computers together on a LAN/subnet.  A switch is most closely
related to a hub, because it's a 'smart' hub.  Hubs don't think, they just
connect, which puts more work on your network.  A switch builds NAT tables,
which allows it to more efficiently direct network traffic.

A router on the other hand, takes information from one LAN/subnet, to
another.  When you look at your TCP/IP settings, there is nothing in there
about what switches you are connected too (though some settings do effect
the switches...such as fastconnect, etc.).  However, you do have a router
setting in there.  It's the Gateway property.  The gateway is the address
your machine sends packets too that aren't on your local subnet.  So, if you
are on a LAN, with addresses of 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255, and you
are trying to send information to 192.168.1.5, the packets are sent
immediately to the gateway address.  The gateway is a router.  It knows what
IP's are on the subnets/LANs that it connects.  If you tell it you want
192.168.1.5, and it doesn't see that address on the other 'side', it passes
it to the next router down the line.

The best comparison I can come up with, is something with fluid systems.  If
you have two fluid systems, of different pressures/vacuums, you can connect
the two with a loop seal.  A loop seal is a vertical loop of pipe, that is
designed to be tall enough to allow the weight of the fluid to be pulled by
gravity, maintaining the pressure difference between two systems.  A switch
and hub would be all of the piping on either system.  The router would be
that loop seal, because it connects the two systems without letting either
affect the other.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


"but it's as close as I could think of without getting too technical."

Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like halfway between a hub and
a router?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> things.
>
> A router does just that.  It routes network traffic.
>
> A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
>
> Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> ones can perform both functions.This isn't an exact
> definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> without getting too technical.
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price
> > and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus
> > if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that
> > are
> > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent
> > with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however
> > daisy
> > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover
> > or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining
> > two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two
> > ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use
> > the
> > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down
> > the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically
> > use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of
> > the
> > > > ports on your router to
> > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network
> > it
> > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I
> > kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at
> > the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had
> > laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an
> > ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off
> > NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a
> > 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the
> > card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it
> > regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11),
> > played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.
> > Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly
> > (no
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 15:24:20 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:24:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Replication by CD copy
Message-ID: <20031031152420.663784128.serbach@new.rr.com>

Marty,

Thank you very much. I hadn't had much luck with the usual Microsoft sources for replication info. I will check Trigeminal right away.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Fri Oct 31 15:28:50 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:28:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E2C@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

Hi All,

I sent this the other day but it doesn't seem to have shown up, so if you get this more than once I apologise.

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz

From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Oct 31 16:02:35 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:02:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code
In-Reply-To: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E2C@bcmsg010.corp.ads>
Message-ID: <001001c39ffa$b15369a0$7001a8c0@COA3>

It did show up, I even answered, LOL...

>I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Liz,
If all you need is a count, try:

lngCount=Dcount("primary_key_field","qry_something") 
If lngCount > 0 then ' you have rows

There's even an optional where clause available as the third parameter
for the function, so you can count how many in the query/table meet a
certain criteria.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:29 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I sent this the other day but it doesn't seem to have shown up, so if
you get this more than once I apologise.

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and
store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the
user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows
or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
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From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Fri Oct 31 16:17:21 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:17:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E2D@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

Thanks very much, I'll give that a try.

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: Developer [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: October 31, 2003 2:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code


It did show up, I even answered, LOL...

>I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows or not.

Liz,
If all you need is a count, try:

lngCount=Dcount("primary_key_field","qry_something") 
If lngCount > 0 then ' you have rows

There's even an optional where clause available as the third parameter
for the function, so you can count how many in the query/table meet a
certain criteria.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Carter
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:29 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Acc 2K on Win 2K; open an existing query in code


Hi All,

I sent this the other day but it doesn't seem to have shown up, so if
you get this more than once I apologise.

I have tried searching the archives and have not found the answer that I
seek... probably means answer is no :)

I would like to know if it's possible to open an existing query and
store it's output into a recordset. I don't want a form to open that the
user sees, I just want to know in code if the query will return any rows
or not.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Liz
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From tomk at multiline.com.au  Thu Oct 30 16:35:17 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:35:17 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
	<5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print>


 
> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:
> 
> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
> 
> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?

Gustav..

I use rtf in one of my projects in the way you describe and although my method is very clunky .... it works and has been for some years now .....If you discover a cleaner/less clunky way I for one would be very interested in hearing about it 

My project is still using A97 and the biggest problem I found was the fact that the RTFocx will not bind directly to a table field or query so I had to use the control unbound and feed it from an rtf file on the hard drive .....whether this has changed in A2000 or A2002 I dont know   

Hmm...the pasted text below (looks crap in my email client) is produced by the function below it ....the result is saved as an rtf text file and then fed to the rtf OCX at runtime. 

Setting it up is failrly simple ....simply set up a document the way you would like to see it in wordpad (or any rtf editor) and then nip the rtf codes from the raw rext and wrap those around a variable in the function. the result of the rtf is below and then below that is the rtf code itself. Take RTFCODESTART from the start and then save as an rtf document to open in wordpad or similar. The last line (you will see it as 4) is a font I have built with the rating symbols we use and 4 happens to correspond to "M"rating (mature audience). 

I wrote this very early in my (ahem!) development and I think if I was to write it now I would use case statements instead of if then else's and also store the rtf codes in a table. Then I would use a find replace function so that I could vary the text produced (similar to the way early word processors used to work to acheive bold text etc with tags) eg <@BOLD@>I want this to be bold<@/BOLD@> 

I seem to remember you and I discussing this a few years ago Gustav.....
Hope it helps 

Regards

Tom Keatley 

RTF DISPLAYED (if you have your client set to plain text you wont see it)=================================================
About This Movie

Actors...

Jim Carrey, Justin Cooper, Maura Tierney, Jennifer Tilly

Producer ..

Brian Grazer

Director ..

Tom Shadyac

Writer ..

Paul Guay, Stephen Mazur

Editor ..

Don Zimmerman

Running Time ..

Approx 87 Mins

Production Year ..

1997


4

RAW RTF CODE============================================================

RTFCODESTART{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\froman Arial Rounded MT Bold;}{\f1\froman Arial;}{\f2\froman MOVIE Ratings;}{\f3\froman Times New Roman;}}
{\colortbl ;\red255\green0\blue128;\red0\green0\blue255;}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\ri150\cf1\ul\b\f0\fs22 About This Movie\cf0\ulnone\b0\fs18 
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2 Actors...\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Jim Carrey, Justin Cooper, Maura Tierney, Jennifer Tilly
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Producer ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Brian Grazer
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Director ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Tom Shadyac
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Writer ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Paul Guay, Stephen Mazur
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Editor ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Don Zimmerman
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Running Time ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 Approx 87 Mins
\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\cf2\f0\fs18 Production Year ..\cf0\fs24 
\par \pard\ri150\f1\fs16 1997
\par \cf2\f0\fs18     \cf0\fs24 
\par \f2\fs72 4\f3\fs36 
\par }

FUNCTION==========================================

Function xstory(Tit, stry, act, time, rat, prod, dirx, spce, prco, wrt, edt, tht As Variant)
Dim tit2 As String, stry2 As String, time2 As String, act2 As String, rat2 As String, prod2 As String, dir2 As String, spc2 As String, prco2 As String, wrt2 As String, edt2 As String, tht2 As String
Dim lin1 As String
Dim Fac1 As String
Dim Fac2 As String
Dim Fac3 As String
Dim Fac4 As String
Dim linend1 As String


Fac1 = "\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\plain\f5\fs18\cf2 "
Fac2 = "\plain\f5\fs24" & vbCrLf
Fac3 = "\par \pard\ri150\plain\f4\fs16 "
Fac4 = "" & vbCrLf

lin1 = "{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deftab720{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss MS Sans Serif;}{\f1\fdecor\fcharset2 Symbol;}{\f2\froman MOVIE Ratings;}{\f3\froman Times New Roman;}{\f4\froman Arial;}{\f5\froman Arial Rounded MT Bold;}{\f6\froman Times New Roman;}}" & vbNewLine _
& "{\colortbl\red0\green0\blue0;\red255\green0\blue128;\red0\green0\blue255;}" & vbNewLine _
& "\deflang1033\pard\ri150\plain\f5\fs22\cf1\b\ul About This Movie\plain\f5\fs18" & vbNewLine


linend1 = "\par \plain\f5\fs18\cf2     \plain\f5\fs24" & "\par \plain\f2\fs72 " & rat & "\plain\f6\fs36" & vbNewLine & "\par }"

If Nz(act, "") = "" Then
Else
act2 = "\par \pard\ri150\tx1440\tx6464\plain\f5\fs18\cf2 Actors...\plain\f5\fs24" & vbCrLf & "\par \pard\ri150\plain\f4\fs16 " & act & vbNewLine
End If

If Nz(time, "") = "" Then
Else
time2 = Fac1 & "Running Time .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & time & Fac4 & vbCrLf  '\par \plain\f4\fs16 " & time & "\plain\f4\fs24" & vbcrlf
End If

If Nz(prod, "") = "" Then
Else
prod2 = Fac1 & "Producer .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & prod & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(dirx, "") = "" Then
Else
dir2 = Fac1 & "Director .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & dirx & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(spce, "") = "" Then
Else
spc2 = Fac1 & "Special Effects .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & spce & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(prco, "") = "" Then
Else
prco2 = Fac1 & "Production .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & prco & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(wrt, "") = "" Then
Else
wrt2 = Fac1 & "Writer .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & wrt & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(edt, "") = "" Then
Else
edt2 = Fac1 & "Editor .." & Fac2 & vbCrLf & Fac3 & edt & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

If Nz(tht, "") = "" Then
Else
tht2 = Fac1 & "Production Year .." & Fac2 & Fac3 & tht & Fac4 & vbCrLf
End If

xstory = lin1 & act2 & prod2 & dir2 & spc2 & prco2 & wrt2 & edt2 & time2 & tht2 & linend1
End Function

From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Oct 31 16:56:15 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:56:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems
Message-ID: <3FA2E88F.10808@verizon.net>

I posted this on the OT list, but I'm now posting it here because I 
really want to make use of this particular topic and how it relates in 
our applications.

<snip>
BG:You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems. There are 
things we're doing that are making code closer to perfect, in terms of 
tools and security audits and things like that. But there are two other 
techniques: one is called firewalling and the other is called keeping 
the software up to date.
http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=53897

<snip>


In the company I work for, we are gearing up to deliver a full blown 
Upgrade to our current Department System.  It is currently in Access 97 
and we've already been handeling the growing pains w/ normalizing the 
data and upsizing it to Sql Server 2000.  The 2nd part is a little more 
critical because it deals w/ Security and because eventually all this 
will auto-synchronize as a distributed application, but I digress.

A common Security Topology follows this type of table format

Users (1-many) UserGroups (many-1) Groups

But what if the database needed to handel security for multiple 
applications. Would it then be more Along the lines of

Users (1-many) UserApp (many-1) Apps (1-many) Groups

The reason I ask, is because already I'm receiving a list of possible 
"GROUP/Role" names of what each application will use.  Commonalities are 
ADMIN and Clerk or Guest. 




-- 
-Francisco



From tomk at multiline.com.au  Thu Oct 30 17:08:47 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:08:47 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Rename labels and bind textboxes programmatically
References: <20031031125749.7403.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c39f3a$c60c72d0$0300a8c0@print>

> I need to create a lot of forms. All with the same
> layout.
> Top of the page has a listbox (lstHeader) that shows
> all fields/records from a table.
> Bottom of the page has 11-54 textboxes (the number of
> textboxes equals the number of columns in the textbox)

If I understand what you need correctly .....

If each of these forms are to always open to the same recordsource you could
set one form up, copy it and use something like Rick Fishers "find and
replace"to rename your fields/recordsource to what you need in each form.

If you set up ONE form with all your controls you could have an option group
of toggle buttons and a case statement....

eg....

Private Sub toggle_Click()

select case toggle

case 1
lstHeader.RowSource = "tblTest"
'the rest of your code
'etc etc etc

case 2

lstHeader.RowSource = "tblTest02"
'the rest of your code
'etc etc etc

case 3

lstHeader.RowSource = "tblTest03"
'the rest of your code
'etc etc etc

end select

end sub

hope it helps

Tom Keatley



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 18:53:01 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:53:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222746C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <067401c3a012$808d8680$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
is
> used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
it
> can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
another.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > internet to "call in"
> > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > ports on your router to
> > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > sometimes takes a few
> > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > clear idea why) I have
> > > a
> > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > thing up so that others
> > > can't
> > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > anything since I don't really
> > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 18:54:34 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:54:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031031182934.87628.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <067c01c3a012$b7f77810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on IP address but can't
generate an IP address.  Yes?

Rocky


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> It is sort of half-way, but not really.
>
> Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> switches, on their most basic level perform the same
> function.  They distribute network traffic.  But HOW
> they distribute that traffic is fundimentally
> different.
>
> Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4
> switches, they cannot perform routing functions.  They
> just hand packets off from point A to point B.  Think
> of them as sort of a postman.  They have an address
> for each device on the network and they hand off each
> piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> using this sama analagy would deliver the same piece
> of mail to every house and the one that it belonged to
> would be the one that actually reads it.
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > getting too technical."
> >
> > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like
> > halfway between a hub and
> > a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> > > things.
> > >
> > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > traffic.
> > >
> > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > >
> > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > exact
> > > definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> > > without getting too technical.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > > > device
> > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > > > removing
> > > > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in
> > price
> > > > and
> > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.
> > Thus
> > > > if
> > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > that
> > > > are
> > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch,
> > each
> > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > inherent
> > > > with
> > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to
> > all
> > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > destination
> > > > > port.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am
> > however
> > > > daisy
> > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > > > The
> > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > crossover
> > > > or
> > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > > > server
> > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > > > also
> > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > Chaining
> > > > two 4
> > > > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > > > panacea however since you now end up using
> > two
> > > > ports
> > > > > > just for the daisy
> > > > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I
> > also
> > > > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > > > get my laptop in through that and could also
> > get
> > > > > > other computers in if
> > > > > > needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to
> > use
> > > > the
> > > > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable
> > down
> > > > the
> > > > > > wall from the living room
> > > > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > > > basement).  I
> > > > > > understand that the
> > > > > > model II has USB ports that can
> > automatically
> > > > use
> > > > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > > > connect to the internet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off
> > one of
> > > > the
> > > > > > ports on your router to
> > > > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > > > devices
> > > > > > from one router this
> > > > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've also found that when creating a new
> > network
> > > > it
> > > > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > > > 'see'
> > > > > > each other - especially on
> > > > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around
> > frustrated
> > > > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > > > work and then have the same experience you
> > had -
> > > > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > > > suddenly the other machines are in my
> > network
> > > > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John Colby"
> > <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless
> > router a
> > > > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > > > needed
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Thu Oct 30 19:45:54 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:45:54 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT...Test a web orderform for me ......please
References: <20031031125749.7403.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00be01c39f3a$c60c72d0$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <003401c39f50$b9c80780$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all....

I am using Access to produce a WEB Orderform with a fair amount of
Javascript embedded and need to test how it performs in the "real world"
...if any (or all of you) have a moment could you check out same? and let me
know how it worked for you?

If you have problems if you could let me know the browser (and version) you
were using so I can compensate in the javascript.

I promise NOT to charge you for any goods you order (well not much
anyway<grin>)

http://www.piedpiper.com.au/promo2/test.htm

What I am interested in are...

1. the cookies (address at end) working?

2. Navigation through the quantity fields should work by pressing <ENTER>

3.There are two SELECT boxes for EXTRATITLES which should work by selecting
either title then quantity or quantity then title and this should drop
quantity and title to the list box below

4. There is a progress bar once the order has been entered which should work

5. Obviously that the formatting looks right

There is a WEIRD little problem I am having with it I concatenate all the
Javascipt HTML and data together and then save to a HTM file on the drive
(via code)...I then find that the Javascript WONT work BUT the simple act of
opening then saving the file with notepad makes it all work.....strange
.....can anyone shed any light on this?

Your assistance (as always) would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley



From jmhla at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 31 21:08:25 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:08:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Comdex Las Vegas
Message-ID: <001601c3a025$6dee3e30$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

Anyone on the list going?
 
Maybe we can hook up?
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 

From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Fri Oct 31 17:13:52 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:13:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
Thank you.


From tomk at multiline.com.au  Fri Oct 31 17:45:06 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:45:06 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
	<5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
	<004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print> <5133737291.20031101192740@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000701c3a009$1cf628b0$0300a8c0@print>

Gustav....

My apologies .... I should have stated my use for the RTF OCX is in REPORTS
....there is no problem binding to a field on a form but this changes in
reports and the control gives an error when you try to use it bound. My
workaround (at least the workaround someone on this list helped me with) was
to feed it from a text file. I have however downloaded the control you
suggested and when I re-do the function in my project I will give it a try.

REgards

Tom Keatley




> Hi Tom
>
> Thanks Tom, I can follow your approach. However, I do have the ocx
> running and bound to a memo field, thus I have the RTF memos build
> (and users type them in). My only task is to concatenate these micro
> documents into one RTF document.
>
> The ocx should happily work with Access 97. If not, you may have it
> inproperly registered.
>
> Here is a utility I found many years ago; it is still on-line:
>
>   http://www.sareleku.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=43
>
> It will install the RichText ocx so you can work with even without the
> Access Developer edition which is quite handy if you ever need to do
> some work on-site at a client.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:
> >>
> >> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> >> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> >> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> >> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?
>
> > Gustav..
>
> > I use rtf in one of my projects in the way you describe and although my
method is very clunky .... it works and has been for some years now .....If
you discover a cleaner/less clunky way I for one
> > would be very interested in hearing about it
>
> > My project is still using A97 and the biggest problem I found was the
fact that the RTFocx will not bind directly to a table field or query so I
had to use the control unbound and feed it from an
> > rtf file on the hard drive .....whether this has changed in A2000 or
A2002 I dont know
>
> > Hmm...the pasted text below (looks crap in my email client) is produced
by the function below it ....the result is saved as an rtf text file and
then fed to the rtf OCX at runtime.
>
> > Setting it up is failrly simple ....simply set up a document the way you
would like to see it in wordpad (or any rtf editor) and then nip the rtf
codes from the raw rext and wrap those around a
> > variable in the function. the result of the rtf is below and then below
that is the rtf code itself. Take RTFCODESTART from the start and then save
as an rtf document to open in wordpad or similar.
> > The last line (you will see it as 4) is a font I have built with the
rating symbols we use and 4 happens to correspond to "M"rating (mature
audience).
>
> > I wrote this very early in my (ahem!) development and I think if I was
to write it now I would use case statements instead of if then else's and
also store the rtf codes in a table. Then I would
> > use a find replace function so that I could vary the text produced
(similar to the way early word processors used to work to acheive bold text
etc with tags) eg <@BOLD@>I want this to be
> > bold<@/BOLD@>
>
> > I seem to remember you and I discussing this a few years ago Gustav.....
> > Hope it helps
>
> > Regards
>
> > Tom Keatley
>
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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Fri Oct 31 18:08:50 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:08:50 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] MICROSOFT Activation policy
References: 	<E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com><5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>
	<1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk><004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print>
	<5133737291.20031101192740@cactus.dk> <000701c3a009$1cf628b0$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <002501c3a00c$53fae870$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all...

I bought Office 2002 Developers Edition a couple of years ago which of
course contained MS Activation and since that time I must have activated it
3 or 4 times on different computers (I hasten to add that this was when I
was UPDATING hardware and I only use the software on a single computer)

Although I havent as yet had any problems with activation or my request
being rejected it occurs to me that this at some point will happen and I
wondered what others experience might be.

Does MS have a number of activations before one is rejected? And what are
the options if this happens?

Regards

Tom Keatley