[AccessD] Frameworks, what are they?

John W. Colby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Thu Mar 4 11:48:05 CST 2004


That would be it.  Mere mortals.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they?


John,

<<Back when I was supervising that VP project I mentioned at lunch, we found
and bought something called Framework for normal people or something like
that. >>

  You might be thinking me "Mere Mortals"

<<Basically starting with a purchased framework is good... they just
don't seem to exist for Access.  I have thought about trying to develop and
sell one but reality always intervenes.>>

  Yes I would agree and I've been thinking of why there are not any for
Access.  It's certainly been around long enough.

I've thought of a couple things:

1. Most Access apps are "developed" by non-professionals, so they have a
tendency to use what's in front of them.
2. Because of #1, most of the apps developed are fairly simple.
3. For a professional developer, Access already provides significant tools
and features to use for development (i.e. Main/Subforms).

<< I have thought about trying to develop and
sell one but reality always intervenes.>>

  I hear you there.  During the A2 release, I really started digging into
the MDB structure with the intent of offering database utilities.  Took a
lot of time and I had to pay the bills. So I gave up on it. I figured that
by the time I did it, the JET team would either come out with utilities or
take care of the corruption issue.

  Now I could kick myself in the butt for not sticking with it.

Jim
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they?


Back when I was supervising that VP project I mentioned at lunch, we found
and bought something called Framework for normal people or something like
that.  Basically starting with a purchased framework is good... they just
don't seem to exist for Access.  I have thought about trying to develop and
sell one but reality always intervenes.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they?


John,

  I hate to mention VFP on the Access list, but in terms of Frameworks it
has many and the features that they offer are listed here:

http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~FrameworkFeatureChart~VFP

  Items compared are things like Developer Tools, End User Features, etc.
Quite a bit of info there on frameworks in general.

  If you wanted to look at one more specifically, I use VMP, which has a
downloadable help file that you can look at.  You can find that here:

http://www.visionds.com/vmpsite/

  Look under VMP 2004, Download VMPHELP.CHM

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:44 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they?


Robert,

The only example I have of a running framework is my own.  Unfortunately it
is so complex at this point it would be undecipherable to anyone but me I'm
afraid.  You have heard me discuss the various functionalities I have placed
into my framework.  In order to understand my stuff you would have to wade
through all that stuff I have mentioned.  I am certainly willing to post it
somewhere with an application that uses it so that you can see how I do
things but I'm truly uncertain whether a discussion could address my
framework without getting pretty deep pretty fast.

A framework is really nothing more than a skeleton upon which you hang an
application.  As you need more functionality, if it is generic and useful to
the next app you add it to the framework.  In this day and age, you really
need to be thinking classes however since they allow you to set up
containers for related functionality.

I am going to cc the list however.  We have many developers who have
developed their own framework.  I have never seen anyone else's so I can't
vouch for how complex they are now how conceptually similar to what I do,
but if we address the list, perhaps we can get a discussion going on this
stuff.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Robert at servicexp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:18 PM
To: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: I have a question


John,
 I have really appreciated the help over the last few months in regards to
"DEEP" programming, your examples have been very helpful. I'm intrigued with
"framework" idea however I have no idea where to get started. My question
is; do you have any examples of a running "framework", or any books that
explain how to set this sort of thing up?

Thanks Again!!
Robert Gracie


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