[AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K

Andy Lacey andy at minstersystems.co.uk
Sun May 16 11:39:25 CDT 2004


It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it (muses 'what's that from?')


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss
> Sent: 16 May 2004 14:12
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> must be hard being you
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> Damned if you, damned if you don't. The moderator's lot.
> 
> :-)
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: 16 May 2004 01:57
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > 
> > 
> > ...you get a lot of coal in your Christmas stocking don't you? :)
> > 
> > ...you're of course right ...a moderator's job is never
> > appreciated until you join an unmoderated one ...thanks :)
> > 
> > William Hindman
> > "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John 
> Dos Passos
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:35 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > 
> > 
> > > No chance of this going to the Tech list I don't suppose.
> > >
> > > -- Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss
> > > > Sent: 15 May 2004 07:09
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was looking around in diskmanagement on 2000 pro and it
> > appears to
> > > > have RAID 1 configurability. In NT4 you had to copy files from
> > > > server to get the RAID 1 configurability in NT 4 Workstation.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:40 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > With the Promise RAID, you get two cables. I think that
> > you can put
> > > > both drives on one cable but I also think that the
> > controller has a
> > > > channel per connector, which is almost as good as having two
> > > > controllers for duplexing in case a controller flakes.
> > > >
> > > > I can't lay my hands on a manual right now so I cant be
> > sure about
> > > > the  two drives on a cable, but like I said I think that
> > you gain a
> > > > channel by using both connectors, and thats just like
> > adding a pair
> > > > of suspenders along with a belt to insure that your 
> pants stay up.
> > > >
> > > > This is definitely the way to go for anyone that just absolutely
> > > > can't afford to lose their data, and a lot of motherboards are 
> > > > shipping with RAID controllers on board. I read 
> > somewhere, maybe on
> > > > winternals.com that you can use the software RAID
> > functionality of
> > > > Win 2000 Server on 2000 Pro.
> > > >
> > > > J
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf 
> Of John W.
> > > > Colby
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:22 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This brings up another question, do you place both mirror
> > drives on
> > > > the same IDE cable?  If you can choose, is there any 
> advantage to
> > > > giving each drive it's own IDE cable (simultaneous 
> operations and 
> > > > the like)?.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:01 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > If the Highpoint is anything like the Promise RAID
> > controller, all
> > > > that you have to do is load the drivers with the first
> > drive still
> > > > connected to the original controller, and then reboot. At the
> > > > reboot, power down the system move the controller cable 
> > to the RAID
> > > > controller and plug the new drive in also. Just make sure
> > you know
> > > > which connector is which. When the system reboots, the
> > RAID utility
> > > > runs and allows you to build the mirror. One thing, make
> > sure that
> > > > the RAID is set for Security rather than Performance because 
> > > > performance doesn't mirror but stripes. See this link for an 
> > > > explanation of RAID 0 striping, and RAID 1 mirroring.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to check out some other vendor than
> > Newegg, because
> > > > they recently starting collecting sales tax, or they did in
> > > > Tennessee. Sales tax and their shipping rates forced me 
> to switch 
> > > > back to www.tcwo.com who's shipping in a flat $6.95 for 
> up to 150 
> > > > lbs, plus they don't collect Tennessee tax.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf 
> Of John W.
> > > > Colby
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:44 PM
> > > > To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g
> > hard drive
> > > > bit the dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I had laying
> > > > around and a 160g drive.  I had intended to just replace 
> > it with a
> > > > 160g but quickly discovered that Win2K doesn't natively support
> > > > large hard disks until you get SP3 or better installed 
> > and manually
> > > > edit the registry.  Thus the old 40g to get
> > > > Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed
> > > > this week.  In
> > > > both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply 
> > > > aren't the end all and be all in a case like this 
> because of all 
> > > > the programs and individualized settings for each program
> > > > - the registry etc.
> > > >
> > > > What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity was
> > > > roughly 2-3 days per incident, waaaay more than the 
> delta cost of 
> > > > Raid 1.  I have decided not to go through that again.  I am now 
> > > > researching a Raid 1 solution (simple mirror) using a 
> > pair of Maxtor
> > > > 120g drives.  This gives me 40g for the system partition
> > (drive c:)
> > > > and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev etc.
> > > >
> > > > My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to
> > face) is a
> > > > Highpoint RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up before the
> > > > weekend I went down to Staples and plunked down the $ for 
> > a Maxtor
> > > > 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard disk.  My intention at this
> > point is to
> > > > order a matching drive and the raid controller from
> > www.Egghead.com
> > > > and when I get it, set up the mirror.  I have a couple of
> > questions
> > > > though for anyone who may have experience in this.
> > > >
> > > > 1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed
> > Win2K Pro,
> > > > Office and other programs.  Once I get the controller, 
> can I just
> > > > unplug this disk from my motherboard, plug it in to the raid 
> > > > controller, plug the matching drive in, and tell 
> > something to "set
> > > > up the mirror"?  I.e. the new drive gets the exact same
> > partitions
> > > > (there are three of
> > > > them) created, files written, and I'm up and running mirrored?
> > > >
> > > > 2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?
> > > >
> > > > 3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work
> > > > - I am not a
> > > > (trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my
> > installed
> > > > software and development stuff never again die because a
> > disk dies.
> > > > I have found and read a bunch of articles on raid in general but
> > > > can't find any detailed information on the PROCESS of 
> setting the 
> > > > thing up, and specifically with this controller.  I assume the
> > > > documentation with the controller will tell me most of what I
> > > > need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > >
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