William Hindman
wdhindman at bellsouth.net
Mon May 17 16:27:21 CDT 2004
...excuse me Andy but I posted before reading Bryan's post ...I'm only 97% prescient these days. William Hindman "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: RE: [AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a rose;was (normalization question) > Was there some bit of Bryan's post that wasn't clear? Perhaps "This ends > NOW!!!!!" was a bit ambiguous. Everyone else please do NOT get goaded into > responding. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > William Hindman > > Sent: 17 May 2004 21:50 > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a > > rose;was (normalization question) > > > > > > ...signature line John ...not a post :) > > > > William Hindman > > "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Porter" <j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:03 AM > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a > > rose;was (normalization question) > > > > > > > How can you complain about political comments when you include the > > following in all your postings: > > > > > > "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John > > Dos Passos > > > ? > > > > > > Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me. > > > > > > John R. Porter > > > I.T. Services > > > University of Strathclyde > > > Faculty of Education > > > 76 Southbrae Drive > > > Glasgow > > > G13 1PP > > > e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk > > > Tel. 0141 950 3289 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > > Hindman > > > Sent: 17 May 2004 15:22 > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a rose;was > > > (normalization question) > > > > > > > > > ...take it to OT Lambert ...this is not a political discussion list. > > > > > > William Hindman > > > "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John > > Dos Passos > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:09 AM > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a rose;was > > > (normalization question) > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure this story will bring great cheer to the NRA and > > everyone > > > > else > > > who > > > > believes that your just not a whole person unless you are packing > > > > heat - preferably fully automatic and large caliber. > > > > > > > > "Sad" is best spin I can put on it. > > > > > > > > Lambert > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: John Clark [SMTP:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 9:55 AM > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a > > > > > rose;was (normalization question) > > > > > > > > > > My first major Access program that I wrote was for our county's > > > > > pistol permit department, to track pistol permits. I > > was shocked > > > > > to discover that they tracked these things by name > > only. I thought > > > > > I found a major problem, when they gave me their > > original tables > > > > > and I discovered hundreds of missing SSNs. They told me > > that SSN > > > > > was not required data. > > > > > > > > > > I told them that I had a problem with this, as a > > programmer and as > > > > > a private citizen. I told them about a personal > > situation of mine > > > > > involving confusion with names. My name is John W > > Clark. The name > > itself > > > > > sounds fake, with all three components being very common. My > > > > > friends used to say that it was a fake name. I first heard of > > > > > another local > > guy > > > > > with the same name, including initial, about 14 years > > ago. I was > > > > > in a bar with a bunch of coworkers, and I was > > introduced to a guy > > > > > who was a friend of a friend. I don't drink much these > > days, but > > > > > thank god that when I did, I was a friendly drunk, > > because after > > > > > speaking to my new friend, I discovered that he thought I was > > > > > someone else--someone who used to beat him up quite a > > bit in high > > > > > school, shared the same name > > as > > > > > me, and apparently also shares some of my physical > > > > > characteristics. > > This > > > > > new friend had gone into the service upon graduation and got, > > according > > > > > to him, quite a bit larger than school days, and he was > > looking at > > > > > a little payback. He told me, that he thought I was > > someone else, > > > > > and > > that > > > > > he and his brother-in-law, who looked like he had been recently > > paroled > > > > > from a penitentiary, were going to kick the hell out of > > me, when I > > left > > > > > the bar. Luckily though, he did speak to me, and > > discovered that I > > > > > was not his prey, and all ended well. > > > > > > > > > > But, a few years later, something potentially much more worse > > happened. > > > > > I was still living at home with my folks--mostly just sleeping > > > > > there--but I was about 20 miles away at work, when some visitors > > arrived > > > > > at their house. Two detectives from the sheriffs department, > > > > > showed up at the house with a warrant for my arrest. Actually, > > > > > they did want > > John > > > > > W Clark, but they were coming to get the wrong one. Again, this > > > > > turned out OK, but it was taken care of, while I was at > > work--had > > > > > I been > > there, > > > > > they would have sorted it out, at the county > > jail--probably after > > > > > processing! > > > > > > > > > > After coming to work for the county, I discovered that > > I would be > > doing > > > > > quite a bit of work for the District Attorney's office. I told > > > > > them > > all > > > > > my stories so that they wouldn't think it was me, if > > the name came > > > > > across their desks. As it turns out, they are pretty > > familiar with > > this > > > > > guy, and they raz me about it quite often. > > > > > > > > > > The pistol permit office send a "Mental Hygiene" check > > to Albany, > > > > > and it is simply a form letter with a name on it. How > > the hell do > > > > > they > > know > > > > > exactly which John W Clark they are sending info on? If > > there are > > > > > two > > in > > > > > this county, how many are in the state? There are several more > > > > > people with the name John Clark in my area without the initial. > > > > > > > > > > I was also surprised to find out that each county does its own > > > > > thing. > > I > > > > > believe there are 62 counties in NY, and they can all > > have their > > > > > own numbering, methods, etc.. All this organization must be why > > > > > were > > paying > > > > > such high taxes here! > > > > > > > > > > >>> artful at rogers.com 5/17/2004 1:17:26 AM >>> > > > > > As I pointed out in a previous msg on this thread, I > > know 5 John > > > > > Reids, and all of them are in the software biz. Go figure. Them > > > > > Irish, they do > > > > > like to propagate! Check Chicago for example :) (Does > > anyone else LOVE > > > > > Miller's Crossing? My fave movie of all time.) > > > > > > > > > > I googled my own name and then ran 411.com (a phone number > > > > > database) and found a painter of the same name died > > early in the > > > > > last century and no less than 20 identical names in > > Canada alone. > > > > > > > > > > In short, names alone don't cut it. Add something > > unique and you > > > > > have a chance. Phone numbers are candidates, but it > > could happen > > > > > that 2 Arthur > > > > > Fullers reside at the same address (unlikely I admit, > > but possible). > > > > > Even SSNs have been demonstrated to be non-unique > > (counterfeit IDs, > > > > > bad > > > > > coding, identity theft, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >